<div><div dir="auto">So the approximate AC Ace total production was 689 over ten years. How many folks, especially in the US, had ever seen one by the time the Cobra debuted? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Alpine Series I-III totals were over 37,700 by the start of 1964, and the Series IV was well into production before the Tiger debuted at New York in April of ‘64. Many sports car enthusiasts new of the Alpine but the Tiger looked so much like the Alpine that it was difficult to tell them apart at a glance. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But did the Tiger really suffer from lack of product differentiation from the Alpine? Virtually every car model built then had a large range of performance options . The Mustang could be had with a drum brake 170 ci six and three speed up to the K-code 289 at the time, and the Corvette had several small and big block choices, same for every sedan.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> I think the Tiger was more a victim of poor development, a stodgy and failing parent company, the Chrysler takeover and ensuing dealer confusion, and finally increasing regulations requiring serious investments that the new owners wouldn’t make. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m sure we have all thought about what a Tiger could have evolved into going into the ‘70’s if Chrysler had made a commitment but it’s just a fantasy. At least we now know how to keep ours updated and running better than when new. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Bugz</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:09 PM michael king <<a href="mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com" target="_blank">michael.s.king@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">There were some changes on the AC for the Cobra that did "toughen" it up a little like the vents and the fender flares and wider wheels....but I think the biggest difference is the AC ace was a desirable boutique low volume high end sports car with decent performance. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Cobra turned it into a boutique low volume high end performance car... You didn't see Ace's running around everywhere.. an Ace was a special car .. so it's not like you had a cooking model that suddenly was a wolf in sheep's clothing.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just my 0.02c</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 3 Sept 2023, 8:35 am David Sosna, <<a href="mailto:sosnaenergyconsulting@gmail.com" target="_blank">sosnaenergyconsulting@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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<p>Thanks for the link, Bruce. Interesting timing. This morning I
was rereading a 2007 article about the Toyota Celica Supra: "To
the untrained eye the first Supra looked like a Celica--<b><i>and
nothing kills status faster than resembling a downmarket model</i></b>".
Three years later, Toyota changed the sheetmetal for the next
generation Supra to differentiate it from the Celica. I thought
of the visual similarities between the Tiger and the Alpine; That
was also mentioned in the clip you found. I guess that lack of
differentiation was a problem for Rootes. Not sure why it worked
for AC though, since the first Cobras looked like the Ace. If
anybody wants to weigh-in on why it worked for AC, I'd appreciate
your thoughts.</p>
<p>Best Regards</p>
<p>David Sosna<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sorry if this is repeated, I had to resubscribe
and didn't know if the original went out. I have pledged 500
Pounds to Kickstarter. I believe with help of the list and
other resources the $ can be raised. Glad to be back on the
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<div dir="ltr">Thx, Bruce</div>
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<div>I seem to have dropped off of the mailing list, so I'm
hoping this can be reposted. I would like to see this get
completed and plan to pledge to the project.<br>
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<div><a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/111019531/le-mans-shelby-and-2-smokin-tigers?ref=creator-nav&fbclid=IwAR0TD0YaSxLTyZXUlBIFlVLUi8HtX2_icKkE7VIMQokPawy_aKc5yMu7S20" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Le Mans, Shelby
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