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<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Tiger Running hot – Shotgun Approach after time of trying baby steps.</span></font></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">After about a year of struggling with car running hot at idle with the
hood down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I took drastic steps.<span> </span>I have been driving the car during the last year
only on back roads with not much chance of traffic lights and traffic.<span> </span>I live in rural NC outside of Pinehurst.</span></font></p>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> Bloody yahoo mail formatting ruined numbering copied from MS Word, so please ignore. <br></span></font></div><div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> 1. Purchased and
installed Sunbeam Specialties (SS) gloss black radiator overflow tank,
missing from car.</span></font></div><div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> 2. Purchased and
installed overflow tank straps from <span class="ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">Alexander
Washick</span><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <a href="mailto:alw6464@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">alw6464@gmail.com</a> which are powder
coated</span>, missing from car.<span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"></span></span></font></div><ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1"><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed undersize water pump
pulley from </span></font></span><span class="ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert
Straghan</span><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <rgstraghan@yahoo.ca>
scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black</span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed horn hole block plates
from </span></font></span><span class="ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <dlutjen55@gmail.com> scuffed, primed and
painted semi gloss black.</span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed new taller custom
aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water
pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water
pump, pressed hub to line up.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front
of fan is 1” from radiator.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-Lite 14” nylon 6
blade fan.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and
overflow to radiator hoses.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">New top radiator hose from local source, as SS
hose would not fit taller radiator.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">New fan belt.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan
shroud which would not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top
mounting bracket to fit my taller radiator.<span> </span>Striped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss black –
sitting on shelf.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Installed 160 degree thermostat from 180.<span> </span>Could not find 170 degree.<span> </span>If anyone has a part number and
supplier for a 170-degree thermostat, please forward.</span></font></span></li></ol>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So at this point I do not have a fan shroud – unless
make up a custom.<span> </span>Other changes could
make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom of radiator spacing
but for now I am going to see how things play out this summer.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> Ok after all the above I was still not satisfied with
watching the temperature gauge increase while at idle or in stop and go
traffic.<span> </span>Goal was to keep the
temperature at ALL times between 180 and 190 degrees whether driving or at
idle.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> The following changes have been made since the above
changes 1-13 after trial period of 6 months or so.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></span><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The Flow Kooler water pump started leaking so I
purchased the SS water pump and installed it and drove for a month or
so.<span> </span>Install error on the Flow
Kooler water pump gasket turned out to be the problem.<span> </span>The SS water pump actually raised idle
temps 2-3 degrees so I would later reinstall the Flow Kooler with a new
gasket.</span></font></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1"><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Installed a couple of 12” electric pusher fans I
had in the garage and wired a manual off/on switch under the dash with a
relay.<span> </span>Not much help or change in
idle temperature while at stoplights or stop\go traffic.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Built and installed a custom fan shroud.<span> </span>Remember I have an oversize Griffin
radiator.<span> </span>This change resulted in
idle temp. drop by maybe 2-3 degrees.<span>
</span>Goal not achieve at this point but getting better.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I then discussed issue with Flex-a-lite technical
services hot line (multiple times) regarding their electric pusher fan
line.</span></font></span></li><ol style="margin-top:0in" type="a" start="1"><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The rule of thumb they recommend:<span> </span>Electric fans of either the pusher or
puller type should be that the electric fan should cover 70% of the
radiator surface.<span> </span>Mine came out
to 69.5% coverage.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Small block V-8 engines recommendation is<span> </span>3,000 CFM.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Flex - a- Lite had only 1 fan that met these
specifications.</span></font></span></li></ol></ol>
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<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" face="Arial" color="black"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold"><a href="https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-105391" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="black"><span style="color:black">FLX-105391</span></font></a></span></font></b><font size="1" face="Arial" color="black"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black"><br>
Electric Fan, Pusher, Flex-Wave, Single, 16 in. Diameter, 3,000 cfm, Black,
20 amps,<span> </span><br>
(Mfr. #: 239) </span></font></p>
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<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="4"><ol style="margin-top:0in" type="a" start="4"><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Also purchased temp probe and relay from Flex –
a Lite which is adjustable so you can set when the fan comes on.<span> </span>Off is 10 degrees from on temp and is
NOT adjustable.</span></font></span></li></ol></ol>
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Fan Control, Compact, Adjustable, Thread-in Probe, Single Fan, Kit <br>
(Mfr. #: 33095) </span></font></p>
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<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><span> e. A</span></span></font></span><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">lso purchased temperature probe adapter and
installed in the upper radiator hose.</span></font></span></div>
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<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" face="Arial" color="black"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold"><a href="https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-107078" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="black"><span style="color:black">FLX-107078</span></font></a></span></font></b><font size="1" face="Arial" color="black"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black"><br>
Radiator Hose Adapter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2 in. Hose, Has Two 1/4 in. NPT
Ports, Includes One Plug, Each <br>
(Mfr. #: 32082) </span></font></p>
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<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.75in"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The idea was to
run the stock temp gauge probe<span> </span>into
the adapter and keep my mechanical temperature gauge in place in the manifold
to verify stock gauge was pretty accurate.<span>
</span>The ¼ NPT port would not handle the stock probe and I could not find 1/4
probe with the correct ohms for the stock gauge, so manual temp gauge is still
in place which I believe is accurate.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> f.<span> </span>Goal still not achieved</span></font></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="5"><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;tab-stops:list .5in"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Flex - a - Lite then offered the
following advice – “</span></font></span>You typically only need one or
the other. If you have a mechanical fan and just want extra cooling in
stop and go traffic, I suggest you use a much smaller electric fan. But
using both a mechanical and this bigger electric fan will probably cause
some disruption.”<span> </span>The two smaller
electric fans I used did not work in my case, so advice about smaller
electric fan in conjunction with mechanical water pump fan did not work in
my particular car.</li></ol>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Plan …. Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with new
gasket.</span></font></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="5"><ol style="margin-top:0in" type="a" start="1"><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Removed the mechanical fan from the water pump and the 1”
spacer.<span> </span>Finally success!<span> </span>Temp stays between 176 and 190 at ALL
times regardless of ambient temperature and traffic conditions. So, in my
case, the mechanical fan in conjunction with the electric fan was causing
air flow disruption.</span></font></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"><span> </span>The temp at speed
above 35 mph, the car runs around 176 degrees with 160 degree thermostat
in temps 90 degrees and less.<span> About 183 in temperatures above 90, so not a issue. </span>I
might try out the 180 degree thermostat at some point, 170 if I could
find one might be optimum for my car.<span>
</span>The only down side for me is the electric fan is noisy when
running and volts on volt gauge drops around ½ - ¾- volt when the fan
comes on.. The battery volts dropping are due to fan drawing 20 amps. This
has not been a issue with lights on or off. I have a alternator and not
the generator so with generator cars, this might be an issue.<span> </span>Now I cannot hear the electric fan <b><span style="font-weight:bold">at all</span></b> inside the car but outside, it
is noisy when running.<span> </span>Headers,
2.25" exhaust pipes with Flow Master series 40 mufflers.<span> </span>I wonder why I cannot hear fan
running.</span></font></li></ol></ol>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So you see I have tried almost all recommended
suggestions except lower shroud addition and air dam to direct airflow.</span></font></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> Every car reacts differently to changes
and you have to keep trying different approaches that might work for your car
and temperature\humidity of the area you reside.</span></font></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> What changes I have made to me that had
the biggest result and what would I try again in what order to minimize cost,
effort and work involved.</span></font></p>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Yahoo formatting again. <br></span></font></div><div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Test
temp gauge and sender to ensure reading properly.</span></font></div><ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1"><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ensure
radiator in good working order.</span></font></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Change
thermostat from 180 to 170 then 160.</span></font></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Install
horn block off plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour to install.</span></font></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Fan
shroud if you do not have one, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case, custom
made.<span> </span>Possible making of the lower
portion of the shroud as well, which I have not done.</span></font></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Undersize water pump pulley and
at same time, try a different mechanical fan and ensure fan is 1” from
radiator.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680,
</span></font></span>2-3 degrees improvement in my case</li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">New Griffin radiator.<span> </span>They sell a package for the Tiger with
radiator, electric fan and shroud.<span>
</span>Remember my radiator is a custom oversize radiator install by
previous owner and the stock Griffin radiator or package would not work in
my case but I have installed a new custom Griffin radiator.</span></font></span></li><li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Remove mechanical fan and
install electric pusher fan that covers 70% of your radiator surface <b><span style="font-weight:bold">and </span></b>moves 3,000 cfm’s as recommended
for small block V-8 motors. Items 8 and 9 could be in reverse order and
step 9 will not necessary if you purchase the Griffin Tiger package, your
call.</span></font></span></li></ol>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> So you see I have tried almost all
recommended suggestions except lower shroud addition and air dam to direct air
flow and have finally met my goal of keeping the temperature between 180 to 190
degrees in all driving conditions.<span> </span>I
hope my trials and findings will help you moving forward. Any questions, please ask.<br></span></font></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> Regards</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style="background-color: inherit;" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Joel Martin</span></font></span></p>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></div><div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal">On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 09:09:34 PM EDT, tigers-request@autox.team.net <tigers-request@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Re: Cooling Fan (LARRY PAULICK)<br><div id="ydp13ded387ymsg85174" class="ydp13ded387ymsg4227467009"><div id="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936"><div>Joe, I did an article for Tigers United, that describes with photographs what I did for the full fans shroud.<div><br></div><div><div style="display:block;"><div style="display:inline-block;" data-url="http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936apple-rich-link"><a style="border-radius: 10px; font-family: -apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; display: block; width: 300px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;" href="http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" dir="ltr" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;background-color:#E5E6E9;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link-emailBaseTable yahoo-compose-table-card" width="300" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td><table style="font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgba(229, 230, 233, 1);" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link-captionBar yahoo-compose-table-card" width="300" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" bgcolor="#E5E6E9"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px 8px 0px;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStackItem"><div style="max-width: 100%; margin: 0px 16px;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack"><div style="font-weight: 500; font-size: 12px; text-align: left;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-topCaption-leading"><a href="http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" style="text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#272727">TigersUnited.com</font></a></div><div style="font-weight: 400; font-size: 11px; text-align: left;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-bottomCaption-leading"><a href="http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" style="text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#808080">tigersunited.com</font></a></div></div></td><td style="padding:0px 12px 0px 0px;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link-captionBar-rightIconItem" width="36"><a href="http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="blob:https://mail.yahoo.com/da65f583-ae1c-430e-9491-e7da49753822" style="display:inline-block;width:36px;min-height:36px;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936lp-rich-link-captionBar-rightIcon yahoo-inline-image" data-inlineimagemanipulating="true" width="36" height="36"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br><div>BTW, Tigers United has a lot of great articles covering the variety of subjects. You might want to check it out. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks for all of the replies. I have a mostly stock engine (with Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator. I have a temperature gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200 at idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car. My problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and shut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor. The temp gauge was showing around 250 degrees at that point. <div><br></div><div>I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some horn opening covers today. I will also look at blocking off the area below the radiator. I have read all of the articles that people have referred to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds. So I was just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point. </div><div><br></div><div>The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div><br><div class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33 AM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the radiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiator. It works. <br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <<a href="mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">owain.lloyd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">I think michael hit the nail on the head. first need to know is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?<div><br></div><div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped. and spal is the go to brand. still need the horn holes and gap between cross member and rad blocked. cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent solution later if you want. also need a fan shroud.<div><br></div><div>personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley. that creates enough pull through the radiator at idle.</div><div><br></div><div>if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there are a variety of other things to check.</div></div><div><br></div><div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions (slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem. there are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but i've only suffered from it once.</div><div><br></div><div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose. at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with thermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even how blocked the radiator is.</div><div><br></div></div><br style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><div style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41 AM Jim B via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div><font size="4">I’ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first place to start is knowing what the actual engine team really is. We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I’m not really sure is does anything. My original guage can show 225-230 on a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, ‘fixes’ that can be done. However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</font><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <<a href="mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor; float: none; display: inline;">The article includes several suggestions.</span><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">A list member offered a piece he fabricated.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Allan Ballard</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Mk1a Tiger</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><span id="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c14211b0811"><image0.jpeg></span><span id="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c143c689202"><image1.jpeg></span><br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <<a href="mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jay.laifman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? <a href="http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><div><br></div><div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div></div><br><div class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42 PM Joe Brown <<a href="mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas. I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the suggested modifications. They listed two different pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan? If so, what part numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><br>Donate:<span> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive:<span> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a><span> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe:<span> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com</a><br><br><br></blockquote></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Donate:<span> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><br><span>Archive:<span> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a><span> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Unsubscribe:<span> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; 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