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<p>Years ago I made this lower shroud. I can't remember if it went
under or over the upper shroud. I have too much junk on top of
this "Jackstand Queen" to go look but my guess would be on the
"outside of." As you can see I drilled two holes to attach
mounting bolts. I know I gave it a lot of thought so that was
probably the most logical place to secure the two sections. The
rest was rather tight as I recall. Purist may balk at drilling
holes in an original shroud but they can easily be filled with
weld and ground down should that be desirable.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2022 3:12 PM, James Lindner
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<div>Here is a pic of a lower shroud I bought years ago. Never put
it on. Not really sure how it is suppose to fit. I assume you
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Hello<br>
I met a Canadian guy, I believe from Québec at the 2000 TEAE
United in Rockland Maine. He said he was fabricating Lower
fan shrouds. I stayed in touch, bought the device, had it
installed on the Tiger and it works quite nicely.<br>
My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B,
PerTronics, and that’s it. A mild upgrade but the lower fan
shroud does help. For really really hot days, I’ve got a
Kenlow pusher fan and with everything I have no trouble<br>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 16:29:17 +0200<br>
> From: Owain Lloyd <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com"><owain.lloyd@gmail.com></a><br>
> To: Buck Trippel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bucktrippel@verizon.net"><bucktrippel@verizon.net></a><br>
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>
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> Yep. I run in most cars with no problems but in the
tiger with the 500hp<br>
> motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had
to switch off even<br>
> back to water and antifreeze. It worked sort of ok
with the dale radiator<br>
> but then I switched to another brand radiator and it
just couldn?t keep the<br>
> temps down. Pretty sure it would be doable with an
efficient and lower<br>
> power motor if all the other cooling problems were
taken care of.<br>
> <br>
> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via
Tigers <<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> ha scritto:<br>
> <br>
>> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they
all hot now?) I put Evans<br>
>> in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum
radiator in front of a<br>
>> rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger
through an almost 5-thousand<br>
>> mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La
Crosse via I80/I90 to<br>
>> attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way
home. Temperatures were<br>
>> frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air
temperatures its inferior<br>
>> specific heat (to water) could not remove
adequately remove the engine<br>
>> heat.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled)
inside the bowls and the<br>
>> engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated
at altitudes above<br>
>> 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I
ended up on the same AAA<br>
>> tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and
reluctantly drained<br>
>> maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing
it with plain water so<br>
>> I could get home. However the percolation
reoccurred crossing the Mojave in<br>
>> the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the
Evans with water,<br>
>> adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but
the specific heat (or<br>
>> ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while
Evans is something like<br>
>> .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just
did not do the job. From<br>
>> my experience I?d say one would have to be
exceptionally brave to use it,<br>
>> especially with a stock radiator system or with a
more powerful engine<br>
>> which will place even more demand on the Tiger?s
weak cooling system. (BTW<br>
>> in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed
the stock block under<br>
>> the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through
which probably have made<br>
>> even more of a problem.)<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Buck Trippel<br>
>> <br>
>> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe
it contained a more<br>
>> detailed account of Evans heating issues on the
trip ? I think it was<br>
>> published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> *From:* Tigers
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"><tigers-bounces@autox.team.net></a> *On Behalf Of *Dr. T.
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>> McDowell<br>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br>
>> *To:* Tiger's List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"><tigers@autox.team.net></a><br>
>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans
Waterless Coolant?<br>
>> <br>
>> It has a boiling point of 375 (F). I'd like to
hear from anyone who's<br>
>> using it as I'm considering it.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks in advance,<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Tym McDowell<br>
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> Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators.
Aluminum radiators are lighter but brass transfers heat
more efficiently.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a
stock two row brass retaining the top, bottom, and sides so
that the fit was not affected.<br>
> <br>
> Also if you're replacing or having overheating
problems, a closed impeller type water pump is much more
efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell them already set
up this way, but you can buy just the impeller plate from
Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. Pumping
efficiency is greatly improved.<br>
> <br>
> TEAE <br>
> did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling.
This excellent engineering study is still applicable today
and well worth reading, dispelling a lot of myths.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Another design problem with the tiger is that there is
no lower portion of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is
removed from the radiator then goes down to the ground and
circles back through the front of the radiator, at rest.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I know this for a fact since I did smoke test and
watched the air recirculating.<br>
> <br>
> I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and
made a low cost plastic air dam that comes down about 4
inches, to help<br>
> the flow of air through the radiator and continue
towards the rear of the car while in motion.<br>
> <br>
> Bottom line it all works and I don't overheat.<br>
> <br>
> I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that
the V8 takes up so much space that that's why they overheat.
Just look at today's cars and how they fill the engine bay
and it becomes apparent this is another myth.<br>
> <br>
>> On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com"><owain.lloyd@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Yep. I run in most cars with no problems but in
the tiger with the 500hp motor I needed every bit of
efficiency possible so had to switch off even back to water
and antifreeze. It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator
but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just
couldn?t keep the temps down. Pretty sure it would be
doable with an efficient and lower power motor if all the
other cooling problems were taken care of.<br>
>> <br>
>> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel
via Tigers <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"><mailto:tigers@autox.team.net></a>> ha scritto:<br>
>> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they
all hot now?) I put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent
two row aluminum radiator in front of a rather stock 289. My
wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand mile
road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via
I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the
way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it
got quite a test.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air
temperatures its inferior specific heat (to water) could not
remove adequately remove the engine heat. <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled)
inside the bowls and the engine stalled lean. This weakness
was exacerbated at altitudes above 4-thousand feet. In
Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA tow
truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly
drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing
it with plain water so I could get home. However the
percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree
August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water,
adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection. <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but
the specific heat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is
1.00 while Evans is something like .65 or only 2/3 that of
water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. From my
experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave
to use it, especially with a stock radiator system or with a
more powerful engine which will place even more demand on
the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove
on that trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb
that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have
made even more of a problem.)<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Buck Trippel<br>
>> <br>
>> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe
it contained a more detailed account of Evans heating issues
on the trip ? I think it was published in both the TEAE and
CAT newletters.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> From: Tigers <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>
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>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br>
>> To: Tiger's List <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>
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>> Subject: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans
Waterless Coolant? <br>
>> <br>
>> It has a boiling point of 375 (F). I'd like to
hear from anyone who's using it as I'm considering it. <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks in advance, <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Tym McDowell <br>
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