<div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:black;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at that time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of testing and SCCA national level autocross success :)</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net><br>To: MTaylor@ea.com <MTaylor@ea.com>; garywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br><br></div><div id="yiv5822410889"><div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: black;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock. But, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)</div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal in my experience. </div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5822410889yqt6301996794" id="yiv5822410889yqt35253"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com><br clear="none">To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>; garywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net><br clear="none">Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am<br clear="none">Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5822410889"><style>#yiv5822410889 --
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<p class="yiv5822410889MsoNormal">I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options. I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1” front sway bar. I don’t think he has a rear bar but I’m not positive.</p>
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<p class="yiv5822410889MsoNormal">And Gary, the set up isn’t that hard. 100% stock rear springs. Slightly stiffer front springs.</p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>
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<p class="yiv5822410889MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;">Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience,
But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms
of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)<br clear="none">
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To: Taylor, Matthew <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:MTaylor@ea.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:MTaylor@ea.com">MTaylor@ea.com</a>>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>; Michael Wood <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mwood24020@aol.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mwood24020@aol.com">mwood24020@aol.com</a>><br clear="none">
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Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different. A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other. It’s possible that
one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.</span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-family: sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear="none">
<strong><span style="font-family: sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear="none">
<strong><span style="font-family: sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: sans-serif;">To:</span></strong> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">
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<strong><span style="font-family: sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
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adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability. </span></p>
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