<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Another seemingly final update ... as a reminder</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Changed intake manifold (Edelbrock Performer, #2121)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- While doing so, discovered oil pump drive shaft was lacking the usual retaining clip with the predictable result</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Dropped oil pan & sorted that out with a beefed up version (ARP 154-7904) and 1 piece Fel-Pro oil pan gasket (OS 13260 T)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Buttoned it all back up & tried firing it up</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">At this point it was clear that something was amiss with the electrics, consulted this group for advice ...</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Solenoid activated but starter motor didn't engage</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Checked grounds, all clean, 2 grounding straps discovered</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> (1 in the usual place, 1 between LH engine bay support & boss just below cylinder head)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Tested solenoid, fine</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- That left the original starter motor which once removed was confirmed to be non-functioning</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Replaced with Summit Racing Protorque (SUM-820055) mini starter w/integrated solenoid</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> - Goes in & out without needing to move or loosen headers, engine mounts etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> (hopefully I'll never have to mess with it again, but if I do big improvement)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> - Easy access to connections when installed</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> - Existing solenoid effectively gets used as a junction block (minimal rewiring)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> - Finally got a look at the block's casting code (C5AE-6015E)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> (engine isn't original to the car, always wondered ...)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Fired it up and after a few backfires, got the timing sorted</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Of course this is when the heater valve decided to start leaking aggressively ... classic stuff, replacement will be ordered shortly, installed, and then I will revisit the timing *just to be sure*.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Cheers to all who have replied on the list & directly - you have all been most helpful!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 11:08, R Flynn <<a href="mailto:flynnr2@gmail.com" target="_blank">flynnr2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">UPDATE & some additional questions after a 6 week hiatus for bruised ribs to heal ...</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Put car up on stands, dropped oil pan</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- No retaining clip to be found on oil pump driveshaft or in pan</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> (either never there or fractured & came out with a previous oil change perhaps)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- New, beefier shaft *with* retaining clip appropriately placed (& new gasket) installed</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward to install now, found TDC in preparation for retiming, etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> (FelPro 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap screws makes things convenient, nice bit of design)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Turned key, and got a big click sounding like starter is under load but certainly not spinning ... hence the following questions</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">1) Any suggestions as to cause?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Battery is fully charged, just came off conditioner</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Solenoid is less than 2Y old</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- The starting system electrics were working fine before this adventure began</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">2) Is it easier to just pull the oil pan again or get the starter out (vs headers)?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- It won't come out with headers & oil pan in situ</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- I am working with in up on floor stands, creeper height in a narrow garage space</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- *Since* I just pulled the oil pan, that seems like the most efficient route (and I suspect the FelPro gasket will be fine)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sheared off (small) oil pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the larger end bolt) that I really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan removed (was leaving it for another day ...)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">3) Any recommendations on whether one of those "mini starters" would be a good replacement & easier to get in / out without having to remove engine mounts, headers, or oil pans etc?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">- DaleA put a Tremec TKO 5 speed in a few years ago for context</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Cheers in advance,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Rick</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:47, R Flynn <<a href="mailto:flynnr2@gmail.com" target="_blank">flynnr2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on the ‘65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.</div><div dir="auto">- tried jiggling the rotor</div><div dir="auto">- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both</div><div dir="auto">- tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My next attempts will involve</div><div dir="auto">- having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet</div><div dir="auto">- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers in advance,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rick</div><div dir="auto"><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr">rick<br>B9471206: <a href="http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp" target="_blank">http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp</a></div>
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