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<DIV>I’m not sure if this will be helpful to solving anyone’s tach problems...,
but it may be helpful in understanding how the Pertronix works (and that might
help solve a tach problem?). Because the Pertronix is an “electronic” ignition I
originally assumed it worked by sending pulsed 12V + to the coil to spark
the plugs. However, that is not the case. It simply does electronically what
points do mechanically. It temporarily grounds the negative side of the coil and
the electronic ‘make and break’ is what triggers the coil to fire.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Where people run into trouble is they will often power the 12V + the
Pertronix needs from the diminishing side of the resistor (which then isn’t
12V). This results in low/fluctuating power. While this is a “Pertronix”
connection issue, it might also be the cause of <U>some</U> tach problems as
well. The simple work around is to connect a 12V + wire directly from the
ignition run position to the red wire on the Pertronix. I also see merit in what
is stated below about running a dedicated wire between the negative side of the
coil and the tach.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And, if you have the frustrating Ignitor I, as I do, I put a connector in
that decicated 12V+ wire so when I have cause to keep the ignition on (for
say,... testing an electric fuel pump) I can disconnect the Ignitor I so it
doesn’t fry in that 30 second window of survival. I’m not sure if this will help
or confuse but as best I was able with the symbols available on a keyboard the
circuit is illustrated.</DIV>
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<FONT
color=#ff0000>/........................................I</FONT>
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<DIV>- <FONT color=#ff0000>Battery 12V+.......... Ignition Switch
(start).......... Resi</FONT><FONT color=#ffc000>stor........ + Co</FONT>il
–......... Pertronix............ Ground</DIV>
<DIV>I
<FONT color=#ff0000>12V
+...................................................................................................I</FONT>
I
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<DIV>I.......................................................................................................................................................I</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tigers@autox.team.net
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">Donald Antilla via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 21, 2019 7:09 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=tsmit@shaw.ca href="mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca">Theo Smit</A>
; <A title=garywinblad@comcast.net
href="mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net">Gary</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=Tigers@autox.team.net
href="mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net">tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Gary and
Friends:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>I just had a good
discussion with Peter Bayer who owns Nisonger Corporation and who modifies the
tachs.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Peter explained the
entire circuitry to me and I will only summarize in words, then please view the
attached file from Nisonger.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>The summary
is:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=disc>
<LI class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Keep the loop on the
back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor disconnect. This SHOULD therefore
provide 12 volt power to the ballast resistor<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoListParagraph
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Route a wire from the
female spade terminal at back of the updated tach TO the negative side of the
ignition coil which has been equipped with the Pertronix
system.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>I’ve attached the
instructions from Nisonger for you to follow.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Peter Bayer is a smart
and helpful person and is quite willing to receive a call from Gary and walk
Gary through the instructions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>I think once Gary talks
with Peter while reading the attached instructions that all will be
good.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Peter Bayer’s number is
(914) 381-3600<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Please let me know how
it goes. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Don Antilla
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Southbury,
CT<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">203-264-8301
Home<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">203-592-8427
Cell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">From:
</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Tigers
<tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Theo Smit via Tigers
<tigers@autox.team.net><BR><B>Reply-To: </B>Theo Smit
<tsmit@shaw.ca><BR><B>Date: </B>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:49
PM<BR><B>To: </B>Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net><BR><B>Cc: </B>tigers
<Tigers@autox.team.net><BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Tigers] Starter
Solenoid<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>remember
that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other resources it has a complete
scan of the Tiger Workshop Manual, including good re-digitized drawings of the
wiring diagram.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><A
href="http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg">http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>So, with
respect to that drawing:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>- Your
tach should be powered through the spade connector on the back of the tach. That
should be connected to a green wire that is energized only when the ignition is
on or in the start position.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>- Your
tach should be grounded through the black daisy-chain wires that need to be
connected to the dash frame somewhere (not just gauge to gauge to
gauge).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>- The OEM
wiring has the coil power run through a white wire, looped through the
transformer U-shaped metal piece and plastic frame that is mounted on the back
of the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger rebuild gave you an alternate
means of sensing the ignition with their white "signal in" line. You should have
got a wiring diagram with the tach, if they changed the way it can be wired
up.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>- That
OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the ballast resistor as shown in
the wiring diagram (and the other end plugs into the ignition switch, not the
tach). It supplies power to the coil through the ballast resistor when the car
is running.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>- The
white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the ballast resistor to the coil
positive.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>It sounds
like you need to make sure that the white wire you plugged into the tach, is
connected to the ballast resistor at the other end. If so, unplug the tach end,
loop it through the transformer block, and plug it into the #2 terminal on the
ignition switch.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>If the
tach works properly, then you're good. If it does not, then try looping the
white wire through the transformer block in the opposite direction. If that
still fails (but the engine runs properly), then abandon the transformer and use
Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary says, that wire should be connected using a new
extension wire to the coil negative terminal ( where the points connect
).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Good
luck,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Theo<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>From:
</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>"tigers"
<tigers@autox.team.net><BR><B>To: </B>"Joe Brown"
<jbbrown1980@gmail.com><BR><B>Cc: </B>"tigers"
<Tigers@autox.team.net><BR><B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, November 20, 2019
7:22:28 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Tigers] Starter
Solenoid<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>The
Signal wire should probably wire to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>the
points or low side of the coil.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>The white
wire should not end at the tach<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>but would
do a one loop through the coil<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>pickup on
the back of the stock tach and<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>then run
to the ballast.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>You do
need 12v to the back of the tach<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>spade
terminal and a ground.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Gary<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Sent from
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>On Nov
20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Thanks
to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick replies. They have me
on the right track now. In my new wiring harness I have one white wire
that comes out of the harness behind the tach and I assumed it plugged into
the white wire (labeled "signal in") on the back of the tach. My tach
was rebuilt by Nisonger and has the updated electronics. I ohmed that
wire out and it is the one that goes to the ballast resistor. So should
I run a new wire from the ignition switch to the tach and piggyback the
ballast wire to that? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Joe
Brown<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla <<A
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starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil while the starter
is cranking. <BR>As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 volts is
disconnected and the power to the coil is via the ballast resistor. <BR>It
sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or broken wiring to the
ballast resistor. <BR>Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the two
tabs on the resistor and see if it starts. If it does start you have a bad
resistor. <BR>And if that does not work, start looking for lack of 12 volts
INTO. The ballast resistor. <BR><BR>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427<BR>Or
203-264-8301 home<BR><BR>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown via
Tigers <<A href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"
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Hey,<BR>> <BR>> I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and
I have a question. When I turn the key to the start position the
engine turns over and fires up. But as soon as I let go of the key so
that it returns to the run position it dies. It seems like the
ignition system is only getting power when the key is in the start position.
<BR>> <BR>> I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram. The
white/blue wire from the solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to
imply that there should always be 12V on this wire when the key is in the
run position. Is this correct? I'm only getting the 12V on this
line when the key is in the start position. <BR>> <BR>> Any
ideas?<BR>> <BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Joe Brown<BR>>
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