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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Gary and Friends:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> I just had a good discussion with Peter Bayer who owns Nisonger Corporation and who modifies the tachs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Peter explained the entire circuitry to me and I will only summarize in words, then please view the attached file from Nisonger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The summary is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Keep the loop on the back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor disconnect. This SHOULD therefore provide 12 volt power to the ballast resistor<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Route a wire from the female spade terminal at back of the updated tach TO the negative side of the ignition coil which has been equipped with the Pertronix system.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I’ve attached the instructions from Nisonger for you to follow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Peter Bayer is a smart and helpful person and is quite willing to receive a call from Gary and walk Gary through the instructions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I think once Gary talks with Peter while reading the attached instructions that all will be good.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Peter Bayer’s number is (914) 381-3600<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Please let me know how it goes. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Don Antilla <o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Southbury, CT<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>203-264-8301 Home<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>203-592-8427 Cell<o:p></o:p></span></i></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Theo Smit via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:49 PM<br><b>To: </b>Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net><br><b>Cc: </b>tigers <Tigers@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>remember that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other resources it has a complete scan of the Tiger Workshop Manual, including good re-digitized drawings of the wiring diagram.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg">http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So, with respect to that drawing:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- Your tach should be powered through the spade connector on the back of the tach. That should be connected to a green wire that is energized only when the ignition is on or in the start position.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- Your tach should be grounded through the black daisy-chain wires that need to be connected to the dash frame somewhere (not just gauge to gauge to gauge).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- The OEM wiring has the coil power run through a white wire, looped through the transformer U-shaped metal piece and plastic frame that is mounted on the back of the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger rebuild gave you an alternate means of sensing the ignition with their white "signal in" line. You should have got a wiring diagram with the tach, if they changed the way it can be wired up.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- That OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the ballast resistor as shown in the wiring diagram (and the other end plugs into the ignition switch, not the tach). It supplies power to the coil through the ballast resistor when the car is running.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- The white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the ballast resistor to the coil positive.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It sounds like you need to make sure that the white wire you plugged into the tach, is connected to the ballast resistor at the other end. If so, unplug the tach end, loop it through the transformer block, and plug it into the #2 terminal on the ignition switch.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If the tach works properly, then you're good. If it does not, then try looping the white wire through the transformer block in the opposite direction. If that still fails (but the engine runs properly), then abandon the transformer and use Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary says, that wire should be connected using a new extension wire to the coil negative terminal ( where the points connect ).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Good luck,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Theo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=0 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>"tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net><br><b>To: </b>"Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980@gmail.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"tigers" <Tigers@autox.team.net><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:22:28 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The Signal wire should probably wire to<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>the points or low side of the coil.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The white wire should not end at the tach<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>but would do a one loop through the coil<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>pickup on the back of the stock tach and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>then run to the ballast.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>You do need 12v to the back of the tach<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>spade terminal and a ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick replies. They have me on the right track now. In my new wiring harness I have one white wire that comes out of the harness behind the tach and I assumed it plugged into the white wire (labeled "signal in") on the back of the tach. My tach was rebuilt by Nisonger and has the updated electronics. I ohmed that wire out and it is the one that goes to the ballast resistor. So should I run a new wire from the ignition switch to the tach and piggyback the ballast wire to that? <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Joe Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla <<a href="mailto:fast427@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">fast427@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil while the starter is cranking. <br>As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 volts is disconnected and the power to the coil is via the ballast resistor. <br>It sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or broken wiring to the ballast resistor. <br>Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the two tabs on the resistor and see if it starts. If it does start you have a bad resistor. <br>And if that does not work, start looking for lack of 12 volts INTO. The ballast resistor. <br><br>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427<br>Or 203-264-8301 home<br><br>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> <br>> Hey,<br>> <br>> I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and I have a question. When I turn the key to the start position the engine turns over and fires up. But as soon as I let go of the key so that it returns to the run position it dies. It seems like the ignition system is only getting power when the key is in the start position. <br>> <br>> I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram. The white/blue wire from the solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to imply that there should always be 12V on this wire when the key is in the run position. Is this correct? I'm only getting the 12V on this line when the key is in the start position. <br>> <br>> Any ideas?<br>> <br>> Thanks,<br>> Joe Brown<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> <br>> <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>> <br>> Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>> Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br>> <br>> Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427@sbcglobal.net</a><br>> <br>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br><br>tigers@autox.team.net<br><br>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive<br><br>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>tigers@autox.team.net<br><br>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive<br><br>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit@shaw.ca<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427@sbcglobal.net <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>