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<DIV>I’d think the shop manual setting are all but erased these days. Tires are
significantly different. Even driving expectations have changed. Sometimes
setting are to reduce tire wear as the #1 priority. Sometimes the settings are
for steering factors such as ease of turning (especially with non-power steering
cars). And sometimes the settings are to compensate for design flaws.
While it has been stated that the toe out setting Dale recommends are for “turn
in” response I wonder (regardless of how minor) if those setting also improve
the horrible Ackerman the Tiger has. My inclination would be that every
Tiger is somewhat different as are the expectations of the driver. BTW, the
heavier a driver you are the more it would seen a comparable weight be in the
driver seat when setting.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Crossmember distortion and bolt head contact seem to be limitation with
Caster. I’d think today zero should be the minimum for Camber but likely
something negative. And as mentioned Toe on a stock Tiger rack can often be
between one of two positions, neither ideal. Lastly I always find it interesting
when Toe is give in inches (or millimeters). Really it is an angle. In inches
the tire/wheel diameter (large/small) will affect the angle. And..., where is
the measurement point? At the wheel? At the tread? I’ve seem a lot of people use
a tape measure at the tread and they are measuring no where near the center
(largest portion of) the tire diameter. So, toe in inches can be rather
ambiguous.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For any “Do It Your Self” types here is a toe gage I made out of a bed
frame. One end is adjustable both at the lower rail, and at the contact bolt for
different tack widths. The vertical holes allow setting at (or close to) the
spindle height. The other end is not width adjustable but is height adjustable.
The contact bolt is spring loaded so the gage can be moved around tire bulge and
return to it previous setting. It is a comparative device and given the small
differences (typically 1/16 = .062) I use feeler gages. Measurement is at the
outer edge of the rim and in most cases I’m shooting for zero anyway..., maybe a
hair toe in.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Camber gage is purpose built for the 14” wheels and body contours of my
daily driver. The biggest problem is wind blowing the pendulum weight. Both the
Toe and Camber gage cost me essentially nothing since I had the materials lying
around.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tigers@autox.team.net
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 21, 2019 8:49 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jmartiniii@yahoo.com
href="mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com">'Joel Martin'</A> ; <A
title=tigers@Autox.Team.Net
href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] 66 MK 1A Wheel Alignment</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Joel<o:p></o:p></P>
<P
class=MsoNormal>
The front alignment on the Tiger has always been a question mark to
me.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>First you have to read the Shop Manual carefully and
understand the Rootes alignment procedure.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Look at Section F, pg. 4 & 5 – the Rootes method – fully
laden car with gap gauges front and rear with 400 lbs. added weight at the
front.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Has anyone ever used the Rootes method to set the alignment
then removed the gap gauges and weight to see what the unladen alignment numbers
look like?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Second, the Shop Manual alignment numbers are for the fully
laden suspension.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Castor Angle = 3 degrees 50 minutes positive that = 3.8
degrees positive<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Camber Angle = 30 minutes positive, plus or minus 15
minutes<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Toe-in = 1/8 inch<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The desired setup numbers I have written down for the street
with radial tire:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Castor = 3 to 4 degrees positive<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Camber = <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">¼ to ½</SPAN> degree
negative<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Toe-in = 1/16 inch<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>There is no indication if this is laden or unladen or exactly
where I found these numbers.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Currently I’m not sure what my front alignment number are but
I watch for uneven tire wear – I have none.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I believe I have between 1 to 2 degrees negative camber and
around 1/16 inch toe-in.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From:</B> Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net>
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Joel Martin via Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 20,
2019 6:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Tiger List Serve
<tigers@autox.team.net><BR><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] 66 MK 1A Wheel
Alignment<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<H1 style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Alignment
Thoughts<o:p></o:p></SPAN></H1>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Yes I am
confused about which specs to take with me to the alignment shop. Maybe
the light bulb will go on with your help. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98831>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Reported:
We didn't pay inordinate attention to the factory specs when aligning my Tiger
last time, but went with numbers which were more conducive to performance. The
set up has been: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98832>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Caster, as
much as you can find reasonably, 3.75~. Put in
FIRST<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98835>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98836>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Camber
-1.25~. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98837>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98838>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Toe 0-1/16
(kind of hard with the stock tie rod end set up, you either get 0 or 1/8 in or
out). <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98839>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98840>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>These
settings have worn tires evenly (yes, even with the camber), made the car very
autocross and open track friendly, and provided good straight line
stability.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98841>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Dale Says
to use: <B id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98844>USE
THESE</B><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98845>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98846>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Caster:
3-4 degress shims - put on no matter what but .1 or 06 or 1 of
each?. Positive or negative?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98850>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Camber: ¼
neg <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98851>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98852>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Toe:
0 to 1/16 <B
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98854>out</B><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98855>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> </SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Factory:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> </SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98864>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <IMG
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height=121><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Castor:
3.5 Positive<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98868>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Camber: ½
Plus or minus ¼ positive <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98869>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98870>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Toe In:
1/8” (3mm)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'>Confusion:
SS shims .100” thick FS58 and .060” thick FS58M says they are for
‘camber’. Are there castor shims as well or did I not take good
notes? 15” wheels on 205 x 50 x15 tires – used mainly on the street with 4
hour trips so need good straight line stability.<BR
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98876><BR
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1553074082470_98877><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond",serif; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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