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<DIV>Wow, Ron I wonder where that install manual came from? I have
attached the PDF as an attachment of the Ignitor (first gen) instruction sheet I
have and it contradicts the one you have. The illustration on page 1 shows the
red wire connecting BEFORE the ballast resistor (12V +). </DIV>
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<STRONG>Yours
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<STRONG>Mine</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>And on the page 2 “FAQ” it states:</DIV>
<DIV>Q. How to correct a low voltage problem (bold mine)?</DIV>
<DIV>A. First, if you have an external ballast resistor, connect the red
Ignitor™ wire to the ignition wire</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>prior to</STRONG> the ballast resistor. Second, if you do not have
a ballast resistor you must locate a 12</DIV>
<DIV>volt source that is controlled by the ignition switch to connect the red
Ignitor™ wire to.</DIV>
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<DIV>Confounding, isn’t it.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rfraser@bluefrog.com
href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">Ron Fraser</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 18, 2017 7:29 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=atwittsend@verizon.net
href="mailto:atwittsend@verizon.net">'Tom Witt'</A> ; <A
title=tigers@Autox.Team.Net
href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Pertronix
1 install diagram and
troubleshoot chart<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Ignitor attaches after the ballast resistor<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The current Pertronix coil may be full time 12V but I have
not looked at that.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From:</B> Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Tom Witt via Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 17,
2017 10:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> tigers@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Tigers] Pertronix Ignition<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Not as I
understand how the Pertronix works. At least the Pertronix I (original).
The Pertronix itself is wired to 12 volts + (usually at the ignition switch) and
operates continuously at that nominal voltage. The ballast resistor is still
needed because the coil, as designed, is associated with it. This does not
preclude that one may have an aftermarket true 12 volt coil that does not need a
resistor. But, if the coil is designed to have the resistor then it is still
needed. If the Pertronix is wired on the resistive end of the stock circuit then
it is improper and yes the voltage will drop with potential problems.
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">A common
misunderstood aspect of the Pertronix is that it feeds the positive voltage to
the coil. No. What it is really doing is creating a (momentary) path to
ground just like a set of points does. Thus, the 12 volt + is not going
through the Pertronix and triggering the coil. The 12 volts + is the
necessary operating voltage to trigger the electronics to momentarily ground the
coil. In essence it is still an “old school” circuit design with a modern method
of triggering it. I too thought at one time that the Pertronix was a 12
volt + coil triggering device. But, when it came time for me to install it I was
set straight after reading the instructions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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title=tigers@autox.team.net href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">Mark Rense via
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Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:31 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma",sans-serif; COLOR: black'> Re:
[Tigers] Pertronix Ignition<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Of course if you
are running a Pertronix or other electronic ignition then there is no ballast
resistor. If you have one when it gets warm you are dropping the voltage to the
electronics down to a threshold triggering point which will cause shutoff.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">On Tue, Oct 17,
2017 at 12:44 PM Jay Laifman via Tigers <<A
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Ditto on
looking for the bad crimped connection. To my knowledge, Petronix
problem mode is simply total failure and done. No stumbling, rough
running, or spotty issues. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">On Mon, Oct 16,
2017 at 7:27 PM, Andy Walker via Tigers <<A
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"
target=_blank>tigers@autox.team.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d">James: </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d">I read your post and Ron’s answer regarding the
possibility of a problem with the ballast resistor. I have experienced
the same issue that you are having, only mine was with a standard point-type
ignition. The car would run just fine with no hint of a problem; all
of a sudden, it would quit just like someone had turned off the key.
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d">As it turned out in my situation, however, it wasn’t
the resistor that was the problem, but the wiring connecting to the
resistor. The previous owner had done some wiring work and had failed
to crimp the connector down on one of the wires coming from the ballast
resistor. The end result was when the wiring and resistor would heat
up, the wire would arc off the connector, thereby shutting the ignition down
instantaneously. Once it cooled off, the wire would lay back down into
position and it would start back up. Moral of the story…check all of
your connections in the ignition circuit for loose wires or bad connections
before getting too far into other things. It very well could be as
easy as that.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d">Keep us posted,</SPAN><SPAN
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style="COLOR: #1f497d">Andy Walker</SPAN><SPAN
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style="COLOR: #1f497d">Edmond, OK</SPAN><SPAN
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style="COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> Tigers
[mailto:<A href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"
target=_blank>tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>James
Burruss via Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 16, 2017 2:35
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"
target=_blank>tigers@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers]
Pertronix Ignition</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 13pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>On a
Saturday drive, my Tiger’s engine shut off instantly as if the ignition key
had been turned off. It would not restart. I suspected that the
car’s Pertronix II ignition had died, as they have been known to do.
Mine had been reliable for several years, although the car is not driven
often any more. I had the car taken home on a rollback.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 13pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>This
morning, I began a series of checks. I ruled out the ignition switch
as a possible culprit because the starter, gauges and fuel pump all
worked. I checked the wiring connections, coil resistance, voltage to
the coil, and even fuel in the carburetor; all were fine. So I
connected an induction timing light to confirm that there was no spark –
except that there was! Then I got in the car and started it. It
ran fine.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 13pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Which
brings me to my question for those who have experience with these ignition
systems: Are they known to become intermittent due to heat?
Saturday was a warm day, mid-80s, the car had been driven moderately for
about 10 miles and its temperature was normal. Needless to say,
I no longer trust this system; but I would appreciate knowledgeable comments
and/or recommendations for a replacement ignition for a stock
260.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 13pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Many
thanks!</SPAN><SPAN
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style='FONT-SIZE: 13pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>Jim
Burruss </SPAN><SPAN
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