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Like I said, they changed the instructions, see attached.. Like Tom
described (red Pertronix wire to +12v side of ballast).<br>
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Pertronix coil does not need ballast, stock Tiger coil does.<br>
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Ron, you must have saved your original instructions, by those mine
is installed correctly (red Pertronix wire to coil +, below
ballast).<br>
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Gary<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/18/2017 7:29 AM, Ron Fraser via
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pertronix 1 install diagram and
troubleshoot chart<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ignitor attaches after the ballast resistor<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The current Pertronix coil may be full time
12V but I have not looked at that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom
Witt via Tigers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Not as I
understand how the Pertronix works. At least the
Pertronix I (original). The Pertronix itself is wired
to 12 volts + (usually at the ignition switch) and
operates continuously at that nominal voltage. The
ballast resistor is still needed because the coil, as
designed, is associated with it. This does not
preclude that one may have an aftermarket true 12 volt
coil that does not need a resistor. But, if the coil
is designed to have the resistor then it is still
needed. If the Pertronix is wired on the resistive end
of the stock circuit then it is improper and yes the
voltage will drop with potential problems. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">A common
misunderstood aspect of the Pertronix is that it feeds
the positive voltage to the coil. No. What it is
really doing is creating a (momentary) path to ground
just like a set of points does. Thus, the 12 volt +
is not going through the Pertronix and triggering the
coil. The 12 volts + is the necessary operating
voltage to trigger the electronics to momentarily
ground the coil. In essence it is still an “old
school” circuit design with a modern method of
triggering it. I too thought at one time that the
Pertronix was a 12 volt + coil triggering device. But,
when it came time for me to install it I was set
straight after reading the instructions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:31 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Of course if
you are running a Pertronix or other electronic
ignition then there is no ballast resistor. If you
have one when it gets warm you are dropping the
voltage to the electronics down to a threshold
triggering point which will cause shutoff. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">On Tue, Oct
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ditto on
looking for the bad crimped connection. To my
knowledge, Petronix problem mode is simply
total failure and done. No stumbling, rough
running, or spotty issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">On Mon,
Oct 16, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Andy Walker via
Tigers <<a
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style="color:#1F497D">James: </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D">I read your post
and Ron’s answer regarding the
possibility of a problem with the
ballast resistor. I have experienced
the same issue that you are having,
only mine was with a standard
point-type ignition. The car would
run just fine with no hint of a
problem; all of a sudden, it would
quit just like someone had turned off
the key. </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">As it turned out
in my situation, however, it wasn’t
the resistor that was the problem, but
the wiring connecting to the
resistor. The previous owner had done
some wiring work and had failed to
crimp the connector down on one of the
wires coming from the ballast
resistor. The end result was when the
wiring and resistor would heat up, the
wire would arc off the connector,
thereby shutting the ignition down
instantaneously. Once it cooled off,
the wire would lay back down into
position and it would start back up.
Moral of the story…check all of your
connections in the ignition circuit
for loose wires or bad connections
before getting too far into other
things. It very well could be as easy
as that.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">Keep us posted,</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">Andy Walker</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">Edmond, OK</span><span
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style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> Tigers
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Burruss
via Tigers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 16,
2017 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Pertronix
Ignition</span><span
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style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On
a Saturday drive, my Tiger’s engine
shut off instantly as if the ignition
key had been turned off. It would not
restart. I suspected that the car’s
Pertronix II ignition had died, as
they have been known to do. Mine had
been reliable for several years,
although the car is not driven often
any more. I had the car taken home on
a rollback.</span><span
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This
morning, I began a series of checks.
I ruled out the ignition switch as a
possible culprit because the starter,
gauges and fuel pump all worked. I
checked the wiring connections, coil
resistance, voltage to the coil, and
even fuel in the carburetor; all were
fine. So I connected an induction
timing light to confirm that there was
no spark – except that there was!
Then I got in the car and started it.
It ran fine.</span><span
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style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Which
brings me to my question for those who
have experience with these ignition
systems: Are they known to become
intermittent due to heat? Saturday
was a warm day, mid-80s, the car had
been driven moderately for about 10
miles and its temperature was
normal. Needless to say, I no longer
trust this system; but I would
appreciate knowledgeable comments
and/or recommendations for a
replacement ignition for a stock 260.</span><span
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thanks!</span><span
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