<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Problem solved, I think. Walking by the tool department at Lowes I suddenly realized the solution was hanging on a rack for about $5. A nut driver, the one piece type with a screwdriver handle. No pieces to fall off or get stuck on the shaft, and not magnetic, as Jerry's video warns.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">It went right down into the hole and engaged the shaft (1/4 inch hex) easily. I could feel resistance as it turned, and it pulled off easily. So I should be able to fiddle with the shaft position until I find one that will line up with the right rotor position. I didn't finish the job yet, as there is still more on the "honey do" list for today, but maybe this evening or tomorrow afternoon.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thanks for the hints.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Stu</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 6:09 AM, Tony Lang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:achd73@yahoo.com" target="_blank">achd73@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span></span></div><div></div><div id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_120775" dir="ltr"> Tom, you misunderstood what I meant. I sent a message earlier that I always rotate the timing to the distributor with rotor pointing at number one, on compression PRIOR to removing the distributor, not after it was out. It will go back in the same way it came out. If he moved the timing now, he would have to get it on TDC and compression then replace the distributor. My first message, which was also sent to the list didn't post, it has taken several weeks to get the owner to fix what was causing my messages not to post. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. </div><div class="m_-7610693500363320682signature" id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_120789"><div id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_120788">Tony Lang (TtT)<var id="m_-7610693500363320682yui-ie-cursor"></var></div></div><div class="m_-7610693500363320682qtdSeparateBR" id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_120786" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="m_-7610693500363320682yahoo_quoted" id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_121398" style="display:block"> <div id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_121397" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_121396" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_121401" dir="ltr"> <font id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_121400" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_121404"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Tom Witt via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Stu <<a href="mailto:sabre2tgr@gmail.com" target="_blank">sabre2tgr@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 26, 2017 8:40 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Tigers] Distributor continued<br> </font> </div> <div class="m_-7610693500363320682y_msg_container" id="m_-7610693500363320682yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495656585962_121395"><br><div id="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554"><div dir="ltr">
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<div>No, don’t do that. The shaft <em>may</em> not move and you will alter the
timing (as it relates to the original position)! I just feel uncomfortable
advising the movement of gears that aren't properly meshed. Not saying others
haven’t done that but I’d rather be cautious. When I stated you will not
lose timing I was referring to the rotation of the oil pump shaft – only. The
oil pump itself doesn’t matter to any timing relationship. It just needs to be
indexed to the distributor (hex) so it can turn. The camshaft is turned by
the crank via the timing chain. The camshaft gear turns the distributor gear and
the hex shaft (from the bottom of the distributor) turns to oil
pump. </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="sabre2tgr@gmail.com" href="mailto:sabre2tgr@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Stu</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 26, 2017 3:29 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="atwittsend@verizon.net" href="mailto:atwittsend@verizon.net" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Tom Witt</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="tigers@autox.team.net" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Tiger Net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distributor continued</div></div></div></div>
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<div class="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:small">Hmmm... since the gear is at
least partly engaged, I should be able to rotate the engine a bit and not loose
timing, right? So if I put it in 4th and pushed the car back and forth
making minor adjustments to the rotor position, shouldn't I be able to
eventually match the alignment of the pump shaft?</div>
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<div class="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:small">Stu</div></div>
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<div class="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554gmail_quote">On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Tom Witt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atwittsend@verizon.net" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">atwittsend@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>You are correct. The hex drive shaft for the oil pump is not lining up
with the distributor. There are no timing issues with the oil pump so just
rotate the hex shaft as needed (it is a guessing game – <em>a little this way,
a little that way</em>). Whatever you can get down on the shaft will do.
Just be careful not to lift the shaft (which has been known to happen if you
use a socket on a long extension). Otherwise you will then have to get the
shaft back into the oil pump.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="tigers@autox.team.net" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Stu via Tigers</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 26, 2017 12:00 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="Tigers@autox.team.net" href="mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Tiger Net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Distributor continued</div></div></div>
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<div class="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:small">Ok, I got the distributor
out, cleaned everything up, and went to put it back in. Problem.
It will only go all the way down with the gear one tooth off from where it
came out. If I start putting it in with the rotor pointing where it
stopped as I pulled it out, the gear engages and it looks like it will rotate
into the right position, but it won't go down all the way. If I start
with it one tooth ccw, it goes in just fine, but the rotor is not in the
original position. I took a "before" picture before I pulled it out, so
I know where the rotor was pointing.</div>
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<div class="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:small">Nothing has moved, the
tranny is in neutral, no power on at all. I'm assuming that this must
relate to the oil pump drive not engaging. What do I do now?</div>
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<div class="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:small">Stu</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554yqt8959403463" id="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554yqt12557"><div id="m_-7610693500363320682yiv9710903554DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br clear="none">
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