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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Mayf<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> This is the error I get sending to your email address - </span><b>This is the email server for the mayfco.com domain. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><<a href="mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>drmayf@mayfco.com</span></a>>: Permanent Failure: No account by that name here<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I have no idea why this happens; it’s beyond me. It’s almost like there is a Block in place on one of our systems.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Back to the subject<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All 260 engines were cast and assembled at the Cleveland Foundry; you will see a CF logo cast into the parts. See picture – 289 head with CF logo. 260 is not cast into any of the 260 parts only the CF logo and a casting date code; this is where casting numbers are important to understand the parts you have.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Since the Cleveland Foundry was familiar with the process of packaging containers to ship engines and transmissions to England I believe it is logical that all Tiger engines 260 and 289 were cast and assembled at the Cleveland Foundry. I have seen no indication of anything other than this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The Windsor Foundry castings have a WF logo cast into them. The Windsor Foundry started making 289 engine in Jan/ Feb 1966. I see no reason why any Tiger engine production would be transferred to the Windsor Foundry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ford sent Rootes at least 7085 engines + spares, the actual total count is not known to me, so you’re looking at around $5,000,000 at $700 each, I don’t know the actual price per engine. I would say that is good chunk of change, around 1 million dollars a year, assuming that is near correct. Granted, that probably looks like chump change looking at a total Ford Operating Budget.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Another question that pops up; Why do the engine numbers seem all over the place with respect to the Vin #? My best guess here is shipping and handling.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ford does things in a linear manor until you look at the number of people involved moving engines for storage, packaging, loading and unloading onto trains, ships or whatever transport method employed both in the USA and England. Shipping and handling creates the chaos with the engine number order, <b>FILO may apply here too, <u>First In, Last Out</u></b> at every loading and unloading station.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 06, 2016 10:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser@bluefrog.com><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Tigers] FW: Original Tiger Engine Study<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'>Thanks, Ron. I somehow or another see the valve cover number replacing the engine number for parts tracking at the dealer/manufacturer level. As to Ford, this was a pretty small order actually. Approximately 6000 engines at what, say 700 bucks, at the time. And over the delivery period, not much on an annual sales basis for Ford. Windsor motors made at the Cleveland Site? I guess I do need to be educyficated, lol. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'>As to mail bounces? Do you send directly to </span><a href="mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com"><b>drmayf@mayfco.com</b></a><span style='color:#993366'> ? Interesting. Perhaps you need to add me to your address book? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'>Thanks for trying to straighten me out, lol…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'>mayf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span style='color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers [<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Fraser via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 5, 2016 8:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] FW: Original Tiger Engine Study<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Mayf<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> I don’t know why but my server always gives me a Mail Delivery error for you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’ve forward this to the Tigers List so you’re sure to receive my reply<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ron Fraser [<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 05, 2016 11:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Larry Mayfield' <<a href="mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com">drmayf@mayfco.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine Study<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Mayf<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> The way I understand it Ford produced and applied the decals on each valve cover; I believe this was Ford’s accounting system for each engine.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The engine group numbers vary in letters; this is an old alpha to numeric system that Norm Miller discovered at Ford. He lists it on his web site, Bits and Pieces pg. 4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tiger Engine groups start with T, E, G, L, A, K, S, F, B and each represents a different number and covers engine groups from T15KL = 8/15/63 to <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A22KK = 4/22/66. I believe the engine group numbers represents a start build paperwork date for the Cleveland Foundry.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My hope is to understand what kind of correlation there is between the engine group numbers and the assembly date codes stamped into each engine within each engine group.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> To me everything on the Sunbeam or Rootes LTD valve cover sticker screams Ford. Rootes would have no reason to make and apply a decal that states Ford especially with Chrysler buying shares in the Rootes Group but Ford would have every reason in the world to advertise Made in the USA by Ford Motor Company. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Larry Mayfield [<a href="mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com">mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 05, 2016 8:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ron Fraser' <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine Study<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ron, rereading some of my emails. Have a question regards the engine codes like the one below. Isn’t that metal decal added by Sunbeam and not Ford? Do they all start with a B? Like our car vin numbers. Seems to me that this would be a way for Rootes to tie engines to cars rather than to Ford trying to do that. Or is it that I am a day late and a dollar short in knowing what is going on, lol. That is a strong possibility! My guess is that when engines rolled into Rootes the production folk immediately slapped the decal on the valve cover to indicate the cars in production that week or month. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Anyway, interesting discussion regards some of these things. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Mayf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>_________________________<br>drmayf<br>Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.<br>204.913 mph flying mile<br>210.779 mph exit (not top) speed<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><i><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers [<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Fraser via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine Study<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>The mystery of the B19KC engine group.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My theory is that this engine group has an early 65 build since B19KC translates to Feb 19, 1965. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I believe that date indicates start build paperwork for the Cleveland Foundry and I expect some engines were built in Feb, March 1965.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>These 260 engines were built to 1965 specifications and painted black.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>The problem is, I have no evidence for this early build so I need your help to solve the mystery.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>I believe this early build of the B19KC group started around engine # 5570 and ended around engine #6000.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It would be interesting to know what engine # started the B19KC engine group.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It would be interesting to know what engine # ended this early build.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have read some statements online indicating there are owners with black B19KC engines.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would like to hear from them and send them my Original Engine Worksheet so if anyone has one of these engine or has seen one somewhere; please pass my contact information to them.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>I’m always looking for more information about any of the engine groups so don’t hesitate to participate.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for your help<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ron Fraser <a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>