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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> I have stated this before; we the owners of Tigers need to write the history and I truly mean every owner; who better to do just that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We have a very unique vehicle with running changes that are not clearly listed anywhere; we need to document this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I know it is a difficult task because previous owners make changes but we as current owners can document each Tiger as purchased, document the changes we make and then pass that along when the time comes. Our Tigers are 50 + years away from manufactured stock condition which makes totally stock condition difficult to recognize and document but if we don’t start now how much information will be lost, forever.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> This simply takes a combined effort from every owner. I know some of this seems extremely trivial to many but some of those trivial details are exactly what is needed to see the full picture.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>EX: The Shop Manual list the Ford 260 engine @ 164 HP – Bob Mannel’s Book states that this is the HP # is for the early 260 engine only, the Later 260 engine Ford did not publish the HP numbers. The majority of 260 engines sent to Rootes were the later 260 engine. I have yet to find information that states the HP numbers for the later 260 engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I fear too many people threw their original Tiger 260 engine away thinking it was underpowered.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I believe the later 260 was close to the 289 HP numbers but Ford was promoting the 289 as the engine in Ford’s future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smit, Theo via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> J Clark <icanhandyman@yahoo.com>; tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Jon,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The last time that it was attempted to bring the Tiger Wiki page in line with what is commonly accepted as fact by marque experts, the “editors” who did the earlier work to the page came out, reverted the edits, and let it be known in no uncertain terms that they would not tolerate outsiders besmirching the holy writ of the “reliable sources” they had established through what they considered to be rigorous process. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The basic problem is that Robson is “reliable source” simply because he has published a lot of books. Independent research (such as me looking at my Tiger and finding things that do not agree with their writing) is not permitted in Wikipedia because it’s not “verifiable” by searching other in-print or otherwise published references. Books such as Norm Miller’s, being independently published and having a small total print run, carry little or no weight in Wikipedia-land, regardless of the quality of the underlying research.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>If the earlier editors have abandoned wikipedia and it’s now possible to make edits, then that would be fantastic – but it would still have to be very carefully done so that all parts of the Wiki page have an attribution back to a book that, from the Wiki point of view, passes the “reliable source” test.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Since I have taken part in this jousting match several times earlier I’d be interested in seeing if progress can be made.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Theo <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Tigers List <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>J Clark <<a href="mailto:icanhandyman@yahoo.com">icanhandyman@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 9:22 AM<br><b>To: </b>Tigers List <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div id=yiv3049453014><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_2685"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_2684"><div id="yiv3049453014yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466215960717_6113"><div id="yiv3049453014yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466215960717_6953"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>To Rande Bellman,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_3283"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>The Wiki-"powers-that-be" have accorded the Sunbeam Tiger entry its much coveted "Featured" status... so it must be accurate!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_4657"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Seriously though, seeing how it is not "protected" (even semi), anyone is free to make any and all improvements as they see fit. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_5165"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Ask me how I know. I.e., as "pragmath", I have made a change or two myself.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_4975"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_4954"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_4974"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_7860"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>P.S. Btw, one thing it's sorely lacking are images of Tigers in stock, unadorned form. There is very little to choose from in in "Wikimedia".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_8102"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Please, by all means, have at it. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_5073"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:gray'><br>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be Garmin confidential and/or Garmin legally privileged. 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