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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> You raise some interesting points.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes, British pride at Rootes and the British auto union was probably a major factor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We all have a tendency to refer to Shelby and Shelby American as being the same; that in itself can become confusing; we need to be more specific with our words.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We lose track of the backstory or the truth that George and a few others were the people responsible for making the Shelby Tiger Prototype. It is very difficult today to say how involved Shelby was with the project. His main concern at the time was the Cobra, Cobra racing and good PR.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Your question about sending rolling chassis to the USA is a good one. <b>My guess</b> is Shelby would have tried to support that since he was doing that with the Cobra but I think Rootes was looking for more production capabilities with sooner delivery of production cars for sale. Packaging and shipping a rolling chassis would be more expensive than shipping engine assemblies. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tom Witt [mailto:atwittsend@verizon.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>; 'Teepen, Jere' <jteepen@usatoday.com>; tigers@Autox.Team.Net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I wonder if national pride had any consideration with Shelby not assembling the cars? That being the Tiger being seen more as an American hot rod, than a British sports car? From what I heard in George Boskoff’s talk it seemed more like the Tiger prototype was assigned to Boskoff to ‘figure out’ by himself. If there was a major issue (like bending the steering arms) he would bounce the matter off Shelby. So, while the Shelby name is associated with the Tiger Shelby himself seemed to have little to do with the car. When the prototype was completed there were no drawings etc. with Boskoff only mentioning he had “a few templates.” It kind of leads one to question just how interested Shelby really was.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Another thing to consider is; is it cheaper to send an American engine/trans to England - only to send it right back in a complete car..., or to send rolling, but non-powered cars and all the transport logistics (and cost) that would require? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>BTW, the past five or so posts I’ve made to the list, over a number of months, have not appeared. This even with deleting the Tigers list information at the bottom and sending as plain text. So, this may only appear if Ron or Jere reply back to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" title="tigers@autox.team.net"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Ron Fraser via Tigers</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:03 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><a href="mailto:jteepen@usatoday.com" title="jteepen@usatoday.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>'Teepen, Jere'</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> ; </span><a href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net" title="tigers@Autox.Team.Net"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>tigers@Autox.Team.Net</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>According to TBON both the Shelby and Miles Alpine V-8s were Series II. The Jensen Project Prototype was a Series III.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>G. Robson Book – <b>my guess</b> is Shelby wanted to change the steering rack position and the front suspension geometry. I also believe the next concern was the rear axle and suspension. These seem to have been his main concerns and there were probably others. Funny, the same ones we have today. Maybe a look at the race Tigers would give more hints about the direction he envisioned. Remember $10,000 for the Shelby Alpine V-8 only goes so far and Rootes was not interested in making major, read that expensive changes to the Alpine platform.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Tigers [</span><a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Teepen, Jere via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2016 6:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> J Clark <</span><a href="mailto:icanhandyman@yahoo.com"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>icanhandyman@yahoo.com</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>>; </span><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>tigers@autox.team.net</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I have no knowledge about the changes Shelby may have made if production had gone that way, but from what I recall, the first V-8 Alpines were Series 2 (Ken Miles) and 3 (Shelby). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I am now curious too, has there been any information as to what Shelby may have proposed?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Tigers [</span><a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J Clark via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2016 12:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>tigers@autox.team.net</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4139"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4144"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4163"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Was reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robson book, "Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story") <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4347"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>to Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a copy of this book I must admit that this is news to me. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4519"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Upon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according to<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4674"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Robson, had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the Alpine's structure and chassis"? One wonders how things may<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4726"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>have played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby the gig, rather than Jensen.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4626"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4798"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Graham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built with SIII body shells. I believe this is hogwash,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4919"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>leading me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's contents.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5077"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5076"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>One more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5145"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5146"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5154"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>