<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4239">Ron</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4266" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4401" dir="ltr">These casting numbers do not match my pedals at all - casting number of 1990300 verses <font class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4414" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4413" class="">1224677 -
LHD</span></font>
</div><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4412"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4463" dir="ltr"><font class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4418" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417" class="">1229806 for RHD. Any ideas what 1990300 was suppose to fit? Can you send me a photo of your pedals and the guesstimate of the space behind them to the firewall? Anyone else have a opinion?</span></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4600" dir="ltr"><br><font class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4418" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417" class=""></span></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4598" dir="ltr"><font class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4418" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417" class="">Thanks</span></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4599" dir="ltr"><font class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4418" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417" class="">Joel Martin<br></span></font></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4272"><span></span></div> <br><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4320" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4291" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4290" style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4289" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4288" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4287" face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:35 AM, "tigers-request@autox.team.net" <tigers-request@autox.team.net> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4337" class="y_msg_container">----- Forwarded Message -----<br><br>Send Tigers mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4361" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4402" ymailto="mailto:tigers-request@autox.team.net" href="mailto:tigers-request@autox.team.net">tigers-request@autox.team.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4403" ymailto="mailto:tigers-owner@autox.team.net" href="mailto:tigers-owner@autox.team.net">tigers-owner@autox.team.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."<br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space<br> (Joel Martin)<br> 2. Re: Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space<br> ( Ron Fraser)<br> 3. Re: Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space<br> (Tom Parker)<br><div id="yiv5072557774"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4339"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4338" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6667" dir="ltr">Installed drivers seat today, and moved seat all the way to rear - comes right up to rear shelf on slider - good. I am 6'0" tall. Concern is the amount of room between knees, stock steering wheel (15.3"), right knee to shift lever and the foot pedals. With the clutch pushed in there is still about 8" left to the firewall with about 11" from brake pedal and the accelerator pedals to the firewall.</div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6668" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6673" dir="ltr">Do we really have this much wasted foot well room from the end of the pedals to the firewall? The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about even in the foot well with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other 2.<br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6669" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6670" dir="ltr">Findings: Both the brake and clutch pedal have the same casting number of 1990300 but with different bends entirely. This seams unusual. The Clutch bends to the left with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal bracket. The brake bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available connecting to the pedal bracket. Both brackets look to be the same.<br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6716" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6744" dir="ltr">Spacers at the master cylinders: brake master has spacer between master and firewall. Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake reservoir slightly to one side closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the clutch master reservoir would contact brake master reservoir and would not bolt up..</div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6791" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6850" dir="ltr">I see all this wasted foot well space and now wonder if I have the right pedals, brackets etc for this car.</div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6849" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6848" dir="ltr">Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.</div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6881" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6959" dir="ltr">Regards</div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6960" dir="ltr">Joel Martin<br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6847" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4453" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6672"><br></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv5072557774">
<title>Message</title>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015">Joel</span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4452"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015"></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4639"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4638" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4637" class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015">Since
these cars are both left & right hand drive capable; both side foot
wells are similar and nearly symmetrical.</span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4419"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015"></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4415"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4414" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4413" class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015">There
is only 1 part # for the clutch and brake pedal - 1224677 -
LHD</span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4412"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4418" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417" class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015">1229806 for RHD</span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4411"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015"></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4406"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4405" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4404" class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015">They
should have 1 hole for the pivot point and 2 holes for the clutch or brake push
rod.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015"></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4410"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4409" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4408" class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015">It is
very common in manufacturing of pedals to have 1 part, the forged base part
which is then struck again to make different pedals.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015">I
found the foot well space behind the pedals to be very handy when driving long
distance in cruise control - room to stretch my legs.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015">Ron
Fraser</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span class="yiv5072557774453423413-04112015"></span></font> </div>
<blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4641" style="MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;" dir="ltr">
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4640" dir="ltr" class="yiv5072557774OutlookMessageHeader" align="left" lang="en-us"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Tigers
[mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel Martin via
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 03, 2015 7:37 PM<br><b>To:</b>
tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Concern\Question - Front
Drivers Seat Foot well space<br><br></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4642" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times, serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:16px;">
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6667">Installed drivers seat today,
and moved seat all the way to rear - comes right up to rear shelf on slider -
good. I am 6'0" tall. Concern is the amount of room between knees, stock
steering wheel (15.3"), right knee to shift lever and the foot pedals.
With the clutch pushed in there is still about 8" left to the firewall with
about 11" from brake pedal and the accelerator pedals to the firewall.</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6668"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6673">Do we really have this much
wasted foot well room from the end of the pedals to the firewall? The
brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about even in the foot well with the
clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other 2.<br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6669"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6670">Findings: Both the brake
and clutch pedal have the same casting number of 1990300 but with different
bends entirely. This seams unusual. The Clutch bends to the left
with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal bracket. The brake
bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available connecting to the pedal
bracket. Both brackets look to be the same.<br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6716"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6744">Spacers at the master
cylinders: brake master has spacer between master and firewall.
Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake reservoir slightly to one side
closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the clutch master reservoir would
contact brake master reservoir and would not bolt up..</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6791"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6850">I see all this wasted foot
well space and now wonder if I have the right pedals, brackets etc for this
car.</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6849"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6848">Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated.</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6881"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6959">Regards</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6960">Joel Martin<br></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6847"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div id="yiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6672"><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div id="yiv5072557774"><div dir="ltr">Joel,<div><br></div><div>There doesn't seem to be much adjustment available for pedal height except the two holes on the foot pedal, which gains / costs you @ 1 1/2" of height according to Section K of the Tiger Workshop Manual. If the goal is to have all 3 pedals' height the same that's the base line... whichever hole you choose, and adjust the throttle pedal height to match the brake and clutch height. I don't think the original brake and clutch rods were adjustable... at least the diagram doesn't show it... but later / aftermarket cylinder pushrods may have an adjustment there. </div><div><br></div><div>You're right, imo, the travel is far more than needed for full clutch / brake engagement, But with the Tiger tunnel mods it gets a bit tight the closer to the firewall the pedals get. I'm a little guy; the folks with big feet will have issues the lower the pedals. As it is it's easy to hit the brake and throttle at the same time until one gets used to the car. </div><div><br></div><div>Anything can be accomplished with a drill press, but stock height, sadly, appears to be fixed.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div>'67 Mark 2</div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4653" class="yiv5072557774gmail_extra"><br><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4652" class="yiv5072557774gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4651" class="yiv5072557774gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><u></u>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4650">
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Joel</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Since
these cars are both left & right hand drive capable; both side foot
wells are similar and nearly symmetrical.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>There
is only 1 part # for the clutch and brake pedal - 1224677 -
LHD</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>1229806 for RHD</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>They
should have 1 hole for the pivot point and 2 holes for the clutch or brake push
rod.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4649"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4648" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4647">It is
very common in manufacturing of pedals to have 1 part, the forged base part
which is then struck again to make different pedals.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4656"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4655" face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4654">I
found the foot well space behind the pedals to be very handy when driving long
distance in cruise control - room to stretch my legs.</span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4657"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Ron
Fraser</span></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4662"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4661" class="yiv5072557774h5">
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4660" style="MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;" dir="ltr">
<div></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Tigers
[mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel Martin via
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 03, 2015 7:37 PM<br><b>To:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Concern\Question - Front
Drivers Seat Foot well space<br><br></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4659" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times, serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:16px;">
<div dir="ltr">Installed drivers seat today,
and moved seat all the way to rear - comes right up to rear shelf on slider -
good. I am 6'0" tall. Concern is the amount of room between knees, stock
steering wheel (15.3"), right knee to shift lever and the foot pedals.
With the clutch pushed in there is still about 8" left to the firewall with
about 11" from brake pedal and the accelerator pedals to the firewall.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4658" dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Do we really have this much
wasted foot well room from the end of the pedals to the firewall? The
brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about even in the foot well with the
clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other 2.<br></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4664" dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Findings: Both the brake
and clutch pedal have the same casting number of 1990300 but with different
bends entirely. This seams unusual. The Clutch bends to the left
with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal bracket. The brake
bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available connecting to the pedal
bracket. Both brackets look to be the same.<br></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Spacers at the master
cylinders: brake master has spacer between master and firewall.
Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake reservoir slightly to one side
closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the clutch master reservoir would
contact brake master reservoir and would not bolt up..</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">I see all this wasted foot
well space and now wonder if I have the right pedals, brackets etc for this
car.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Regards</div>
<div dir="ltr">Joel Martin<br></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4665" dir="ltr"><br></div>
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