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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=140485617-21102015>Tom</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=140485617-21102015> It is very hard to say how much oil
is still left in the upper engine or does not drain back. I would think
every engine is slightly different and that amount should be very
small.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=140485617-21102015>With
the oil pan at level with 3qt - the fluid level is just
about to move into the rear section of the oil pan @ 4qt - the fluid
level has move into the rear section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=140485617-21102015>I'm
not sure about the volume increase there - I'll add that to the To Do List - in
this case estimate.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=140485617-21102015>One
experiment I need to look at is with the pan at 2 degrees down at front - where
is the fluid level with respect to the oil pump pick up
screen?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=140485617-21102015>The
oil pick up screen is toward the back of the deep sump and tilting the engine
down at front forces oil away from the screen.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=140485617-21102015>Too
much oil usually will not hurt you but too little oil will kill the
engine.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=140485617-21102015>Ron
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers
[mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tom Witt via
Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
tigers@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level
report<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Ron,</DIV>
<DIV>First, thank you for the labor in doing this. For those who are strict
and precise it seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! (LOL)</DIV>
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<DIV>It would be interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what amount of
the 4 quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages and what
does and doesn’t drain back from the filter. I am also curious, what, if any
of the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By that I mean did the oil height
extend into the broader area of the pan. If it did then I’d estimate that
volume increases 1-1/2 to 2 times once the oil reaches that point for a given
dip stick rise amount.</DIV>
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<DIV>I learned about the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine swap and to
get the engine started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil I had.
The car started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut it down and
worked on other areas. Months later when the car was driven I would find that
as the car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I checked the dip stick and
making a mental compensation for the driveway angle felt the level was
sufficient. I mean, after all, I had put in 5 quarts (I thought) months
ago. It was only after seeking exceptionally level ground and
factoring for the significant 6-7 degree rearward angle of the engine (350
Chevy in a 64 Studebaker in case you are wondering) that in fact I was 2 full
quarts low! The good news is that no damage appeared to be done and in
this case the repair was made with a funnel.</DIV>
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<DIV>I still think that the best thing to do is an oil change (on level
ground), warm the engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level is
after sitting a few minutes. A file or Dremel tool can then be used to
notch the stick. I then use the add/full range as a rough visual guide as it
relates to the new mark.</DIV>
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<DIV>Tom</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tigers@autox.team.net
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=tigers@Autox.Team.Net
href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>I set up a fixture
- 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick up</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>I used my 260
Tiger dipstick and tube. The end of this dipstick is about
1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>Leveled fixture
front to back, side to side</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>2qt - level is at
ADD line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>3qt - level is
1/4" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>4qt - level is at
the top L of FULL</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>Tiger oil lines
hold about 4 oz</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>I calculated the
volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements probably
vary</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>Fram PH8A = 49.214
cu in = 27.27 oz = 1.7 pt ( 1.7 + .25 = 1.95 pt) almost
1qt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>Fram PH3600 =
34.289 cu in = 18.99 oz = 1.18 pt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>I measured the
angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at front</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>I measured the
angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down at
back</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>Tilt
test</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>2 degree
front 3qt - level is at FULL
line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015>
4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>5 degree
back 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just below mid
line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015>
4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>I never think the
tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you have it - Tilt means
everything with respect to the dipstick.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=312031019-20102015>Ron
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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