From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  3 15:07:43 2024
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 21:07:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums
References: <622375310.8450863.1727989663307.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <622375310.8450863.1727989663307@mail.yahoo.com>

I am about to replace the front brake pads and rear shoes.? What is the minimum thickness of the rotors and rear brake drums?
Also the usual suspects do not have any replacement rotors.? Seems to me these rotors and drums would have come out of the regular stock of say mustang components.? Can you provide a part number that would be correct for replacement rotors and drums?
Thank You
Joel Martin
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct  3 15:45:25 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 17:45:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums
In-Reply-To: <622375310.8450863.1727989663307@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <622375310.8450863.1727989663307.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <622375310.8450863.1727989663307@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01db15dd$8f77f240$ae67d6c0$@bluefrog.com>

Minimum disc thickness = .449? Listed for Triumph rotor that is ,500" thick on Rock auto

 

I thought EBS reproduced some Tiger rotors.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2024 5:08 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums

 

I am about to replace the front brake pads and rear shoes.  What is the minimum thickness of the rotors and rear brake drums?

 

Also the usual suspects do not have any replacement rotors.  Seems to me these rotors and drums would have come out of the regular stock of say mustang components.  Can you provide a part number that would be correct for replacement rotors and drums?

 

Thank You

 

Joel Martin

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct  3 20:33:03 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:33:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums
In-Reply-To: <258684280.8499775.1728004929844@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <622375310.8450863.1727989663307.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <622375310.8450863.1727989663307@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000c01db15dd$8f77f240$ae67d6c0$@bluefrog.com>
 <258684280.8499775.1728004929844@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901db1605$be3edd00$3abc9700$@bluefrog.com>

No, I was simply looking at a rotor of the same thickness as the Tiger rotor and giving an answer to the minimum thickness question.

 

Mistype ? EBC - I thought made some Tiger rotors.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2024 9:22 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums

 

Thanks Ron

 

Are you saying the triumph rotor TR6?  also fits the Tiger?

 

Who/what is EBS, never heard of them?

 

Joel

 

On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 05:45:36 PM EDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Minimum disc thickness = .449? Listed for Triumph rotor that is ,500" thick on Rock auto

 

I thought EBS reproduced some Tiger rotors.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2024 5:08 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums

 

I am about to replace the front brake pads and rear shoes.  What is the minimum thickness of the rotors and rear brake drums?

 

Also the usual suspects do not have any replacement rotors.  Seems to me these rotors and drums would have come out of the regular stock of say mustang components.  Can you provide a part number that would be correct for replacement rotors and drums?

 

Thank You

 

Joel Martin

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct  5 13:31:16 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 15:31:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums
In-Reply-To: <001901db1605$be3edd00$3abc9700$@bluefrog.com>
References: <622375310.8450863.1727989663307.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <622375310.8450863.1727989663307@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000c01db15dd$8f77f240$ae67d6c0$@bluefrog.com>
 <258684280.8499775.1728004929844@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001901db1605$be3edd00$3abc9700$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <001001db175d$26f79a00$74e6ce00$@bluefrog.com>

I just looked at the specs for my 88 mustang drum brakes

 

9? drum ? max bore diameter = 9.060?

 

This should give you an estimate for brake on your drums.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2024 10:33 PM
To: 'Joel Martin' <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums

 

No, I was simply looking at a rotor of the same thickness as the Tiger rotor and giving an answer to the minimum thickness question.

 

Mistype ? EBC - I thought made some Tiger rotors.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2024 9:22 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums

 

Thanks Ron

 

Are you saying the triumph rotor TR6?  also fits the Tiger?

 

Who/what is EBS, never heard of them?

 

Joel

 

On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 05:45:36 PM EDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Minimum disc thickness = .449? Listed for Triumph rotor that is ,500" thick on Rock auto

 

I thought EBS reproduced some Tiger rotors.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2024 5:08 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rotors and drums

 

I am about to replace the front brake pads and rear shoes.  What is the minimum thickness of the rotors and rear brake drums?

 

Also the usual suspects do not have any replacement rotors.  Seems to me these rotors and drums would have come out of the regular stock of say mustang components.  Can you provide a part number that would be correct for replacement rotors and drums?

 

Thank You

 

Joel Martin

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct  6 10:08:25 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 12:08:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] waist roll
Message-ID: <000201db1809$fafabbf0$f0f033d0$@bluefrog.com>

Anyone know the correct part # for this part.

We generally call it the waist roll for the B382 and B3821 Series Tigers but
I do not see a clear description of this part in any of my Parts Lists.

 

It would be interesting if the part # for the clip for the waist roll is
listed.

 

I like to have part numbers to describe parts, makes it clearer for me.

 

Thanks

Ron Fraser

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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  7 08:38:58 2024
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 14:38:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] waist roll
In-Reply-To: <000201db1809$fafabbf0$f0f033d0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000201db1809$fafabbf0$f0f033d0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <467693392.9096694.1728311938452@mail.yahoo.com>

 They are shown in the Alpine parts book 6600992, page YX27 # 2222982/2222983.
David Franchi

    On Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 10:28:52 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:  
 
 
Anyone know the correct part # for this part.

We generally call it the waist roll for the B382 and B3821 Series Tigers but I do not see a clear description of this part in any of my Parts Lists.

 ?

It would be interesting if the part # for the clip for the waist roll is listed.

 ?

I like to have part numbers to describe parts, makes it clearer for me.

 ?

Thanks

Ron Fraser
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct  7 10:49:46 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 12:49:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] waist roll
In-Reply-To: <467693392.9096694.1728311938452@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000201db1809$fafabbf0$f0f033d0$@bluefrog.com>
 <467693392.9096694.1728311938452@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201db18d8$eca46180$c5ed2480$@bluefrog.com>

David

 

I don?t think that is correct.

2222982 is for the RH door          2222983 is for the LH door

 

The part I?m looking at is a one piece waist roll that goes across the back seat area.

 

I wonder if 2222929 ? rear seat squab is the correct part number although the pictorial for the part looks wrong.

 

None of the Alpine Parts List I have show an accurate descriptions of the B382 and B3821 Tiger interior panels for the back seat area.

 

Thanks for the info, it makes me look closer at the Parts List info

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: D or G at sbc <orr4sale at sbcglobal.net> 
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2024 10:39 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] waist roll

 

They are shown in the Alpine parts book 6600992, page YX27 # 2222982/2222983.

 

David Franchi

 

On Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 10:28:52 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Anyone know the correct part # for this part.

We generally call it the waist roll for the B382 and B3821 Series Tigers but I do not see a clear description of this part in any of my Parts Lists.

 

It would be interesting if the part # for the clip for the waist roll is listed.

 

I like to have part numbers to describe parts, makes it clearer for me.

 

Thanks

Ron Fraser

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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  7 11:06:49 2024
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 17:06:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] waist roll
In-Reply-To: <000201db18d8$eca46180$c5ed2480$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000201db1809$fafabbf0$f0f033d0$@bluefrog.com>
 <467693392.9096694.1728311938452@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000201db18d8$eca46180$c5ed2480$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <2051246649.9154187.1728320809478@mail.yahoo.com>

 Ron, those numbers are correct, I bought 10 of each in the 1980s and they are waist rolls. The parts book does state they are "Waist Roll-Black".
David

    On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 09:50:14 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:  
 
 
David

 ?

I don?t think that is correct.

2222982 is for the RH door????????? 2222983 is for the LH door

 ?

The part I?m looking at is a one piece waist roll that goes across the back seat area.

 ?

I wonder if 2222929 ? rear seat squab is the correct part number although the pictorial for the part looks wrong.

 ?

None of the Alpine Parts List I have show an accurate descriptions of the B382 and B3821 Tiger interior panels for the back seat area.

 ?

Thanks for the info, it makes me look closer at the Parts List info

 ?

Ron Fraser

 ?

From: D or G at sbc <orr4sale at sbcglobal.net> 
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2024 10:39 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] waist roll

 ?

They are shown in the Alpine parts book 6600992, page YX27 # 2222982/2222983.

 ?

David Franchi

 ?

On Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 10:28:52 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: 

 ?

 ?

Anyone know the correct part # for this part.

We generally call it the waist roll for the B382 and B3821 Series Tigers but I do not see a clear description of this part in any of my Parts Lists.

?

It would be interesting if the part # for the clip for the waist roll is listed.

?

I like to have part numbers to describe parts, makes it clearer for me.

?

Thanks

Ron Fraser

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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 12:53:26 2024
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 20:53:26 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] waist roll
In-Reply-To: <000201db18d8$eca46180$c5ed2480$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000201db1809$fafabbf0$f0f033d0$@bluefrog.com>
 <467693392.9096694.1728311938452@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000201db18d8$eca46180$c5ed2480$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CANE47iSwh4g2oY5h5wyRaLRO34skTfGSjZ8YTGpeDXkSoXS-Og@mail.gmail.com>

No the rear seat squab is the nice padded seat base for rear shelf that
(some?) alpines have.  I have one in my tiger that bought from some elderly
lady in Mayfair about 15 years ago. :)

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 at 20:48, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> David
>
>
>
> I don?t think that is correct.
>
> 2222982 is for the RH door          2222983 is for the LH door
>
>
>
> The part I?m looking at is a one piece waist roll that goes across the
> back seat area.
>
>
>
> I wonder if 2222929 ? rear seat squab is the correct part number although
> the pictorial for the part looks wrong.
>
>
>
> None of the Alpine Parts List I have show an accurate descriptions of the
> B382 and B3821 Tiger interior panels for the back seat area.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the info, it makes me look closer at the Parts List info
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* D or G at sbc <orr4sale at sbcglobal.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 07, 2024 10:39 AM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] waist roll
>
>
>
> They are shown in the Alpine parts book 6600992, page YX27 #
> 2222982/2222983.
>
>
>
> David Franchi
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 10:28:52 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <
> rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone know the correct part # for this part.
>
> We generally call it the waist roll for the B382 and B3821 Series Tigers
> but I do not see a clear description of this part in any of my Parts Lists.
>
>
>
> It would be interesting if the part # for the clip for the waist roll is
> listed.
>
>
>
> I like to have part numbers to describe parts, makes it clearer for me.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron Fraser
>
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From rollright at aol.com  Tue Oct 22 10:02:06 2024
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 16:02:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors !But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun and passenger side jammed the key?So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some pimples on it,?I bought a new?set from Sunbeam Specialties.?I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for fixing the tumblers and?installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact information.?Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to maintainthe original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From chris at cthompson.net  Tue Oct 22 11:32:31 2024
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 13:32:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <122781ca-af34-4b6b-b3ae-f14ef595ca00@cthompson.net>

That's funny.? When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I 
found out the same thing.? I didn't have a trunk key, either.? According 
to Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key 
should open the doors.? Well, the ignition key is a lot different.? Just 
2 days ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them 
to my friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.? 
$30 apiece.? He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger 
look like, and a code for him to order replacements.

Chris

B382000331

On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
> Hello,
> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the 
> doors !
> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just 
> spun and passenger
> side jammed the key
> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some 
> pimples on it,
> ?I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for 
> fixing the tumblers
> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact 
> information.
> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to 
> maintain
> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler 
> code is FS 901.
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
>
>
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Tue Oct 22 13:24:53 2024
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:24:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <122781ca-af34-4b6b-b3ae-f14ef595ca00@cthompson.net>
References: <122781ca-af34-4b6b-b3ae-f14ef595ca00@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <9C44F538-C3DE-4313-8F66-26A7633BC33B@cox.net>

Chris

I am pretty sure you have this backwards. The ignition key opens the doors and the trunk key also opens the console.

If I have this wrong, I am sure many others will let us know.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 22, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That's funny.  When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I found out the same thing.  I didn't have a trunk key, either.  According to Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should open the doors.  Well, the ignition key is a lot different.  Just 2 days ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.  $30 apiece.  He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look like, and a code for him to order replacements.
> 
> Chris
> 
> B382000331
> 
> On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors !
>> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
>> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
>> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun and passenger
>> side jammed the key
>>  
>> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some pimples on it,
>>  I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
>>  
>> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for fixing the tumblers
>> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact information.
>>  
>> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to maintain
>> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.
>>  
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC # 0763
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 13:45:25 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 12:45:25 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <122781ca-af34-4b6b-b3ae-f14ef595ca00@cthompson.net>
References: <122781ca-af34-4b6b-b3ae-f14ef595ca00@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <4AEDED66-098E-4933-84A7-DB73DE4CCAA8@gmail.com>

Wrong.
Ignition key should unlock the doors.
Trunk key unlocks the console.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2024, at 11:08?AM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That's funny.  When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I found out the same thing.  I didn't have a trunk key, either.  According to Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should open the doors.  Well, the ignition key is a lot different.  Just 2 days ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.  $30 apiece.  He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look like, and a code for him to order replacements.
> 
> Chris
> 
> B382000331
> 
> On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors !
>> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
>> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
>> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun and passenger
>> side jammed the key
>>  
>> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some pimples on it,
>>  I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
>>  
>> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for fixing the tumblers
>> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact information.
>>  
>> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to maintain
>> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.
>>  
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC # 0763
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 19:33:35 2024
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 09:33:35 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <9C44F538-C3DE-4313-8F66-26A7633BC33B@cox.net>
References: <122781ca-af34-4b6b-b3ae-f14ef595ca00@cthompson.net>
 <9C44F538-C3DE-4313-8F66-26A7633BC33B@cox.net>
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Jim,

You are 100% correct, the longer "rootes" keys were keyed for the
ignition and door, open the door, put the same key in the ignition.

The console key and boot are the same... both the storage compartment keyy.

On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 at 04:09, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

> Chris
>
> I am pretty sure you have this backwards. The ignition key opens the doors
> and the trunk key also opens the console.
>
> If I have this wrong, I am sure many others will let us know.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 22, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> That's funny.  When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I
> found out the same thing.  I didn't have a trunk key, either.  According to
> Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should
> open the doors.  Well, the ignition key is a lot different.  Just 2 days
> ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my
> friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.  $30
> apiece.  He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look
> like, and a code for him to order replacements.
>
> Chris
>
> B382000331
> On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors
> !
> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun
> and passenger
> side jammed the key
>
> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some
> pimples on it,
>  I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
>
> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for
> fixing the tumblers
> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact
> information.
>
> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to
> maintain
> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler
> code is FS 901.
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
>
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>
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From chris at cthompson.net  Tue Oct 22 20:01:49 2024
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 22:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <9C44F538-C3DE-4313-8F66-26A7633BC33B@cox.net>
References: <122781ca-af34-4b6b-b3ae-f14ef595ca00@cthompson.net>
 <9C44F538-C3DE-4313-8F66-26A7633BC33B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8197df05-da4c-43f2-bee2-00a3a974bc10@cthompson.net>

The ignition key does not fit into the doors, trunk, or console at all 
for me.? The console key fits the doors and the trunk. So where do I get 
the correct combination of locks and keys?

B38200331

On 10/22/2024 3:24 PM, James Lindner wrote:
> Chris
>
> I am pretty sure you have this backwards. The ignition key opens the 
> doors and the trunk key also opens the console.
>
> If I have this wrong, I am sure many others will let us know.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 22, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Chris Thompson via Tigers 
>> <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> That's funny.? When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I 
>> found out the same thing.? I didn't have a trunk key, either.? 
>> According to Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the 
>> console key should open the doors.? Well, the ignition key is a lot 
>> different.? Just 2 days ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk 
>> lock and took them to my friendly local locksmith who re keyed them 
>> to the console key.? $30 apiece.? He even had a chart that showed 
>> what the keys for the Tiger look like, and a code for him to order 
>> replacements.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> B382000331
>>
>> On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the 
>>> doors !
>>> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
>>> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
>>> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just 
>>> spun and passenger
>>> side jammed the key
>>> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has 
>>> some pimples on it,
>>> ?I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
>>> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for 
>>> fixing the tumblers
>>> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact 
>>> information.
>>> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want 
>>> to maintain
>>> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. 
>>> Tumbler code is FS 901.
>>> Jim Armstrong
>>> Mk 1A
>>> 382002083 LRXFE
>>> Code 86
>>> TAC # 0763
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From chris at cthompson.net  Tue Oct 22 20:09:06 2024
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 22:09:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <4AEDED66-098E-4933-84A7-DB73DE4CCAA8@gmail.com>
References: <122781ca-af34-4b6b-b3ae-f14ef595ca00@cthompson.net>
 <4AEDED66-098E-4933-84A7-DB73DE4CCAA8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4d04e184-21ab-471f-8bf6-76f9a5a1aa32@cthompson.net>

Thanks, Gary.? Can you explain why my keys are so different for ignition 
vs doors and this can't work for me?

Regards, Chris

On 10/22/2024 3:45 PM, Gary Winblad wrote:
> Wrong.
> Ignition key should unlock the doors.
> Trunk key unlocks the console.
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 22, 2024, at 11:08?AM, Chris Thompson via Tigers 
>> <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> That's funny.? When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I 
>> found out the same thing.? I didn't have a trunk key, either.? 
>> According to Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the 
>> console key should open the doors.? Well, the ignition key is a lot 
>> different.? Just 2 days ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk 
>> lock and took them to my friendly local locksmith who re keyed them 
>> to the console key.? $30 apiece.? He even had a chart that showed 
>> what the keys for the Tiger look like, and a code for him to order 
>> replacements.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> B382000331
>>
>> On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the 
>>> doors !
>>> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
>>> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
>>> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just 
>>> spun and passenger
>>> side jammed the key
>>> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has 
>>> some pimples on it,
>>> ?I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
>>> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for 
>>> fixing the tumblers
>>> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact 
>>> information.
>>> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want 
>>> to maintain
>>> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. 
>>> Tumbler code is FS 901.
>>> Jim Armstrong
>>> Mk 1A
>>> 382002083 LRXFE
>>> Code 86
>>> TAC # 0763
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers 
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>>
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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 20:41:59 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:41:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
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From h2otor at aol.com  Tue Oct 22 20:47:21 2024
From: h2otor at aol.com (John Watertor)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:47:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 134
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 My Tiger (a 1964) which I have owned since 1966 had the keys as Chris stated.John Watertor
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:24:53 -0400
From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
To: chris at cthompson.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
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Chris

I am pretty sure you have this backwards. The ignition key opens the doors and the trunk key also opens the console.

If I have this wrong, I am sure many others will let us know.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 22, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That's funny.? When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I found out the same thing.? I didn't have a trunk key, either.? According to Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should open the doors.? Well, the ignition key is a lot different.? Just 2 days ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.? $30 apiece.? He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look like, and a code for him to order replacements.
> 
> Chris
> 
> B382000331
> 
> On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>> Hello,
>>? 
>> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors !
>> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
>> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
>> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun and passenger
>> side jammed the key
>>? 
>> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some pimples on it,
>>? I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
>>? 
>> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for fixing the tumblers
>> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact information.
>>? 
>> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to maintain
>> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.
>>? 
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC # 0763
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 12:45:25 -0700
From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com>
To: chris at cthompson.net
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
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Wrong.
Ignition key should unlock the doors.
Trunk key unlocks the console.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2024, at 11:08?AM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That's funny.? When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I found out the same thing.? I didn't have a trunk key, either.? According to Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should open the doors.? Well, the ignition key is a lot different.? Just 2 days ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.? $30 apiece.? He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look like, and a code for him to order replacements.
> 
> Chris
> 
> B382000331
> 
> On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>> Hello,
>>? 
>> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors !
>> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
>> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
>> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun and passenger
>> side jammed the key
>>? 
>> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some pimples on it,
>>? I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
>>? 
>> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for fixing the tumblers
>> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact information.
>>? 
>> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to maintain
>> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.
>>? 
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC # 0763
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 09:33:35 +0800
From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
Cc: chris at cthompson.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
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Jim,

You are 100% correct, the longer "rootes" keys were keyed for the
ignition and door, open the door, put the same key in the ignition.

The console key and boot are the same... both the storage compartment keyy.

On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 at 04:09, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

> Chris
>
> I am pretty sure you have this backwards. The ignition key opens the doors
> and the trunk key also opens the console.
>
> If I have this wrong, I am sure many others will let us know.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 22, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> That's funny.? When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I
> found out the same thing.? I didn't have a trunk key, either.? According to
> Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should
> open the doors.? Well, the ignition key is a lot different.? Just 2 days
> ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my
> friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.? $30
> apiece.? He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look
> like, and a code for him to order replacements.
>
> Chris
>
> B382000331
> On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors
> !
> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun
> and passenger
> side jammed the key
>
> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some
> pimples on it,
>? I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
>
> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for
> fixing the tumblers
> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact
> information.
>
> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to
> maintain
> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler
> code is FS 901.
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 22:42:48 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 21:42:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 134
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John,
Mine is a 1964 also, bought it in 1971.  It came with the original keys
with their codes marked.
>From the BON, Chris's car should have ignition key RM872 and trunk key
FS926 if he wants to go original and
has that great locksmith.  If you google these key numbers I think you can
find the picture showing the different
shape of the two keys and can even order by code number (if you are lucky
and they still have some of that key).
The original owners manual clearly states one key for ignition and doors
and the other for trunk and console.
Gary

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 8:58?PM John Watertor via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> My Tiger (a 1964) which I have owned since 1966 had the keys as Chris
> stated.
> John Watertor
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:24:53 -0400
> From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
> To: chris at cthompson.net
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
> Message-ID: <9C44F538-C3DE-4313-8F66-26A7633BC33B at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Chris
>
> I am pretty sure you have this backwards. The ignition key opens the doors
> and the trunk key also opens the console.
>
> If I have this wrong, I am sure many others will let us know.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 22, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > That's funny.  When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I
> found out the same thing.  I didn't have a trunk key, either.  According to
> Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should
> open the doors.  Well, the ignition key is a lot different.  Just 2 days
> ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my
> friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.  $30
> apiece.  He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look
> like, and a code for him to order replacements.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > B382000331
> >
> > On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the
> doors !
> >> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
> >> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
> >> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just
> spun and passenger
> >> side jammed the key
> >>
> >> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some
> pimples on it,
> >>  I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
> >>
> >> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for
> fixing the tumblers
> >> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact
> information.
> >>
> >> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to
> maintain
> >> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler
> code is FS 901.
> >>
> >> Jim Armstrong
> >> Mk 1A
> >> 382002083 LRXFE
> >> Code 86
> >> TAC # 0763
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 12:45:25 -0700
> From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com>
> To: chris at cthompson.net
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
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> Wrong.
> Ignition key should unlock the doors.
> Trunk key unlocks the console.
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 22, 2024, at 11:08?AM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > That's funny.  When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I
> found out the same thing.  I didn't have a trunk key, either.  According to
> Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should
> open the doors.  Well, the ignition key is a lot different.  Just 2 days
> ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my
> friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.  $30
> apiece.  He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look
> like, and a code for him to order replacements.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > B382000331
> >
> > On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the
> doors !
> >> But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
> >> 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
> >> 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just
> spun and passenger
> >> side jammed the key
> >>
> >> So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some
> pimples on it,
> >>  I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
> >>
> >> I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for
> fixing the tumblers
> >> and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact
> information.
> >>
> >> Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to
> maintain
> >> the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler
> code is FS 901.
> >>
> >> Jim Armstrong
> >> Mk 1A
> >> 382002083 LRXFE
> >> Code 86
> >> TAC # 0763
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 09:33:35 +0800
> From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
> Cc: chris at cthompson.net, tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
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> Jim,
>
> You are 100% correct, the longer "rootes" keys were keyed for the
> ignition and door, open the door, put the same key in the ignition.
>
> The console key and boot are the same... both the storage compartment keyy.
>
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 at 04:09, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Chris
> >
> > I am pretty sure you have this backwards. The ignition key opens the
> doors
> > and the trunk key also opens the console.
> >
> > If I have this wrong, I am sure many others will let us know.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Oct 22, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <
> > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> >
> > That's funny.  When I showed my car for the first time in Staunton, I
> > found out the same thing.  I didn't have a trunk key, either.  According
> to
> > Curt, the ignition key should open the trunk, and the console key should
> > open the doors.  Well, the ignition key is a lot different.  Just 2 days
> > ago, I pulled the door handles and the trunk lock and took them to my
> > friendly local locksmith who re keyed them to the console key.  $30
> > apiece.  He even had a chart that showed what the keys for the Tiger look
> > like, and a code for him to order replacements.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > B382000331
> > On 10/22/2024 12:02 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the
> doors
> > !
> > But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be
> > 1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)
> > 2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun
> > and passenger
> > side jammed the key
> >
> > So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some
> > pimples on it,
> >  I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.
> >
> > I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for
> > fixing the tumblers
> > and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact
> > information.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to
> > maintain
> > the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler
> > code is FS 901.
> >
> > Jim Armstrong
> > Mk 1A
> > 382002083 LRXFE
> > Code 86
> > TAC # 0763
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > tigers at autox.team.net
> >
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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Wed Oct 23 08:47:41 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 07:47:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger keys
Message-ID: <CADoP9FcTmTk+OPv67i_bb3TGWPC5JFBDSv--9oCWUd4JsVkzPA@mail.gmail.com>

 John,
Mine is a 1964 also, bought it in 1971.  It came with the original keys
with their codes marked.
The original owners manual clearly states one key for ignition and doors
and the other for trunk and console.
>From the BON, Chris's car should have ignition key RM872 and trunk key
FS926 if he wants to go original and
has that great locksmith.  If you google these key numbers I think you can
find the picture showing the different
shape of the two keys and can even order by code number (if you are lucky
and they still have some of that key).
Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:
https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk
This wouldn't work for John or Chris since their locks seem to be the
problem, not  the
key.

Gary
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 23 10:29:21 2024
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:29:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 1967 Mk II Tiger
In-Reply-To: <CADoP9FcTmTk+OPv67i_bb3TGWPC5JFBDSv--9oCWUd4JsVkzPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADoP9FcTmTk+OPv67i_bb3TGWPC5JFBDSv--9oCWUd4JsVkzPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE3_YO_Wk74_votsKewvWBsg1UfkaoPPuj5Ug86OQUQoRwqe5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, I am sending this out to the list to share that my dad, list member
Tom Parker, passed away earlier this year.

Now, his '67 red Mk II Tiger is just sitting in his garage.

Can anyone recommend an appropro site for selling it?

I am monitoring this e-mail account so I will keep a look out for replies.

Thanks in advance. He really loved being part of your community.

-Bill Parker

On Wed, Oct 23, 2024, 11:31 Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> wrote:

> John,
> Mine is a 1964 also, bought it in 1971.  It came with the original keys
> with their codes marked.
> The original owners manual clearly states one key for ignition and doors
> and the other for trunk and console.
> From the BON, Chris's car should have ignition key RM872 and trunk key
> FS926 if he wants to go original and
> has that great locksmith.  If you google these key numbers I think you can
> find the picture showing the different
> shape of the two keys and can even order by code number (if you are lucky
> and they still have some of that key).
> Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:
> https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk
> This wouldn't work for John or Chris since their locks seem to be the
> problem, not  the
> key.
>
> Gary
> _______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Oct 23 11:28:23 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:28:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 1967 Mk II Tiger
In-Reply-To: <CAE3_YO_Wk74_votsKewvWBsg1UfkaoPPuj5Ug86OQUQoRwqe5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADoP9FcTmTk+OPv67i_bb3TGWPC5JFBDSv--9oCWUd4JsVkzPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAE3_YO_Wk74_votsKewvWBsg1UfkaoPPuj5Ug86OQUQoRwqe5w@mail.gmail.com>
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Bill

Sorry for your loss.

 

Are you sure you don?t want to drive it yourself and own it?

 

This List is one place to list it.

Any Sunbeam Forum or Newsletter like CAT or TEAE.

 

BAT ? Bring a Trailer ? this is an auction site ? I don?t know the details for listing or sale.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 12:29 PM
To: LIST TIGER <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] 1967 Mk II Tiger

 

Hi all, I am sending this out to the list to share that my dad, list member Tom Parker, passed away earlier this year.

 

Now, his '67 red Mk II Tiger is just sitting in his garage.

 

Can anyone recommend an appropro site for selling it?

 

I am monitoring this e-mail account so I will keep a look out for replies.

 

Thanks in advance. He really loved being part of your community.

 

-Bill Parker

 

On Wed, Oct 23, 2024, 11:31 Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com <mailto:winbladgary at gmail.com> > wrote:

John,

Mine is a 1964 also, bought it in 1971.  It came with the original keys with their codes marked.

The original owners manual clearly states one key for ignition and doors and the other for trunk and console. 

>From the BON, Chris's car should have ignition key RM872 and trunk key FS926 if he wants to go original and 

has that great locksmith.  If you google these key numbers I think you can find the picture showing the different

shape of the two keys and can even order by code number (if you are lucky and they still have some of that key).

Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:

https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk

This wouldn't work for John or Chris since their locks seem to be the problem, not  the

key.

 

Gary

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Oct 23 11:55:26 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:55:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003901db2574$bf6ce360$3e46aa20$@bluefrog.com>

On my Tiger, the ignition keys works the door locks ? the trunk key works the center consul.

 

Alpine Parts List ? Section YX

Door locks

Keys ? ST 801-920

Keys ? RM 801-920

 

Trunk

Keys ? FS 876-955             Rectangular head

Keys ? FS 876-955             Round head

 

If your keys work one way or another it seems to me you in good shape.

 

If you need original, then check TBON or the Rootes Archive for the correct key code info.

 

It has been a long time since I worked on any of the locks but is seems to me each lock cylinder has the key code stamped into it.   That is your start point to proceed with any change needed to make locks and keys work your way.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 12:02 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices

 

Hello,

 

In the 48 years I've owned my Mk 1A, I don't think I ever locked the doors !

But during the united 41 Concours, my doorhandles were found to be

1) upside down (car was repainted years ago)

2) the locking mechanisms were nonfunctional. the driver's side just spun and passenger 

side jammed the key

 

So, since they were going to come off the car and the chrome has some pimples on it,

 I bought a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.

 

I tried to find Tom Ehrhart's number to ask for a recommendation for fixing the tumblers 

and installing them in the new handles, but I've lost his contact information.

 

Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person? I want to maintain

the original tumblers as I've got both sets of original keys. Tumbler code is FS 901.

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Oct 23 14:08:54 2024
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <003901db2574$bf6ce360$3e46aa20$@bluefrog.com>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>

/"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"/

Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother 
country by now.//However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there 
- somewhere/. /Hopefully some knows./
/

While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of 
necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.

Pins://I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find 
those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be 
doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet 
that height.? Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in 
the housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its 
opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to 
rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).

Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the 
key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the 
tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file 
off. Again, this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still 
offers a degree of a locking effect.

So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given 
that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain 
something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like 
it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on 
insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be 
corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.
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From coolvt at aol.com  Wed Oct 23 15:54:02 2024
From: coolvt at aol.com (M Lafayette)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 21:54:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <452635762.3039433.1729720442726@mail.yahoo.com>

RE pins.? Anyone who works on locks will generally? have an assortment of pins? 75+ of various sizes.? No need to file down or leave out.? Standard pins have a slightly rounded top surface which makes it easier to insert and remove key.? A filed pin will work,but can cause the key to catch.
Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.
In a message dated 10/23/2024 4:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?

"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"

Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother country by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there - somewhere. Hopefully some knows.


While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.

Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.? Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).

Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of a locking effect.

So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct 24 08:17:40 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 10:17:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
 <003901db2574$bf6ce360$3e46aa20$@bluefrog.com>
 <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000201db261f$7e118280$7a348780$@bluefrog.com>

Here is a picture of an ignition switch lock cylinder and key.

With the key inserted everything is flush with the lock cylinder so it will turn.

Pins or wafers are spring loaded, they can be removed and moved on the cylinder to make a key work.

 

The other lock cylinders are similar and can be removed for inspection.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 4:09 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices

 

"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"

Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother country by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there - somewhere. Hopefully some knows.

While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.

Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.  Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).

Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of a locking effect.

So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.

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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 08:19:54 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:19:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <452635762.3039433.1729720442726@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
 <003901db2574$bf6ce360$3e46aa20$@bluefrog.com>
 <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
 <452635762.3039433.1729720442726@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADoP9Fdy0Q-BRxg0EMMukK8FFwk7x=EVhz0gdPk1zr2eakBEzw@mail.gmail.com>

So, here is how you could restore a Tiger's locks:
Get the original key codes from the BON or british certificate place or
from the back of your locks.

Buy the correct keys.
Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:
https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk

Take the keys and locks to a locksmith that has a box of pins and get him
to fix the locks.

Should be easy?

Gary


On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 4:12?PM M Lafayette via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> RE pins.  Anyone who works on locks will generally  have an assortment of
> pins  75+ of various sizes.  No need to file down or leave out.  Standard
> pins have a slightly rounded top surface which makes it easier to insert
> and remove key.  A filed pin will work,but can cause the key to catch.
> Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.
>
> In a message dated 10/23/2024 4:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tigers at autox.team.net writes:
>
>
> *"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"*
>
> Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother
> country by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there -
> somewhere*. *Hopefully some knows.
>
> While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of
> necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.
>
> Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find
> those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be
> doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that
> height.  Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the
> housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its
> opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation
> it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).
>
> Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key
> inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler.
> Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again,
> this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree
> of a locking effect.
>
> So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given
> that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain
> something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it
> has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on
> insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be
> corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 08:50:07 2024
From: clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com (Clyde Mclaughlin)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 10:50:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <000201db261f$7e118280$7a348780$@bluefrog.com>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
 <003901db2574$bf6ce360$3e46aa20$@bluefrog.com>
 <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
 <000201db261f$7e118280$7a348780$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAF6p=0ASrttG5TMPy8jmkfeKVLq5yYXTAvLj7-DRp78SXBMU0w@mail.gmail.com>

Dave Hall has lot of lock info and has had write ups in the review

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 10:32?AM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Here is a picture of an ignition switch lock cylinder and key.
>
> With the key inserted everything is flush with the lock cylinder so it
> will turn.
>
> Pins or wafers are spring loaded, they can be removed and moved on the
> cylinder to make a key work.
>
>
>
> The other lock cylinders are similar and can be removed for inspection.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Tom Witt
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2024 4:09 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
>
>
>
> *"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"*
>
> Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother
> country by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there -
> somewhere*. *Hopefully some knows.
>
> While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of
> necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.
>
> Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find
> those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be
> doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that
> height.  Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the
> housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its
> opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation
> it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).
>
> Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key
> inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler.
> Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again,
> this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree
> of a locking effect.
>
> So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given
> that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain
> something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it
> has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on
> insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be
> corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From chris at cthompson.net  Thu Oct 24 09:25:23 2024
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:25:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <CADoP9Fdy0Q-BRxg0EMMukK8FFwk7x=EVhz0gdPk1zr2eakBEzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
 <003901db2574$bf6ce360$3e46aa20$@bluefrog.com>
 <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
 <452635762.3039433.1729720442726@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CADoP9Fdy0Q-BRxg0EMMukK8FFwk7x=EVhz0gdPk1zr2eakBEzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62abbe36-7652-46b6-9ad4-06b944400ac3@cthompson.net>

Except as has been pointed out, I evidently have the wrong tumblers in 
my doors.? Anyone have any for sale?

B382000331

On 10/24/2024 10:19 AM, Gary Winblad wrote:
> So, here is how you could restore a Tiger's locks:
> Get the original key codes from the BON or british certificate place 
> or from the back of your locks.
>
> Buy the correct keys.
> Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:
> https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk
>
> Take the keys and locks to a locksmith that has a box of pins and get 
> him to fix the locks.
>
> Should be easy?
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 4:12?PM M Lafayette via Tigers 
> <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     RE pins. Anyone who works on locks will generally? have an
>     assortment of pins? 75+ of various sizes.? No need to file down or
>     leave out.? Standard pins have a slightly rounded top surface
>     which makes it easier to insert and remove key.? A filed pin will
>     work,but can cause the key to catch.
>     Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.
>
>     In a message dated 10/23/2024 4:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>     tigers at autox.team.net writes:
>
>         /"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"/
>
>         Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the
>         mother country by now.//However there are probably a craftsmen
>         or two out there - somewhere/. /Hopefully some knows./
>         /
>
>         While some may consider this barbaric I have done the
>         following out of necessity. Locks typically have either pins
>         or wafers.
>
>         Pins://I will insert the key and play around with the pins
>         until I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler.
>         Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. Other
>         times I have filed pins to meet that height.? Generally there
>         are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any
>         tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its
>         opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock
>         to rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect
>         (better than nothing).
>
>         Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that
>         with the key inserted there is the least degree of wafer
>         height outside the tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the
>         tumbler circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the
>         strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of
>         a locking effect.
>
>         So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option
>         and given that historically locking was not a primary
>         consideration you would gain something even if not full
>         strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or
>         wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on
>         insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be
>         corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer
>         configuration.
>
>         _______________________________________________
>
>         tigers at autox.team.net
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From coolvt at aol.com  Thu Oct 24 10:38:23 2024
From: coolvt at aol.com (M Lafayette)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:38:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <62abbe36-7652-46b6-9ad4-06b944400ac3@cthompson.net>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
 <003901db2574$bf6ce360$3e46aa20$@bluefrog.com>
 <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
 <452635762.3039433.1729720442726@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CADoP9Fdy0Q-BRxg0EMMukK8FFwk7x=EVhz0gdPk1zr2eakBEzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <62abbe36-7652-46b6-9ad4-06b944400ac3@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <2107554300.3219687.1729787903553@mail.yahoo.com>

I haven't had any of my locks apart, so not sure of the following. If the "keyway" ( the place where you slide the key in ) is the same for all locks, any locksmith should be able to repin the cylinders to match whatever key you provide.? It's possible that it could be set up so that only one key is needed for all locks.? Again, not sure if all keyways are the same on a Tiger.? If they are the only question for the purist is finding blanks that match the originals exactly. And I think 2 different blanks were used on the original cars.....one with a squared off head and one with a more rounded or oval head.

In a message dated 10/24/2024 12:23:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?

Except as has been pointed out, I evidently have the wrong tumblers in my doors.? Anyone have any for sale?

B382000331
On 10/24/2024 10:19 AM, Gary Winblad wrote:So, here is how you could restore a Tiger's locks:Get the original key codes from the BON or british certificate place or from the back of your locks.?Buy the correct keys.Here is one place you can order keys with the key code:https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk?Take the keys and locks to a locksmith that has a box of pins and get him to fix the locks.?Should be easy??Gary?
On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 4:12?PM M Lafayette via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
RE pins.? Anyone who works on locks will generally? have an assortment of pins? 75+ of various sizes.? No need to file down or leave out.? Standard pins have a slightly rounded top surface which makes it easier to insert and remove key.? A filed pin will work,but can cause the key to catch.
Attached is shown the pin assortment that is typically on hand.
In a message dated 10/23/2024 4:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?

"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"

Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother country by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there - somewhere. Hopefully some knows.


While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.

Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.? Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).

Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of a locking effect.

So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct 24 13:44:36 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:44:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices
In-Reply-To: <000201db261f$7e118280$7a348780$@bluefrog.com>
References: <953680012.2659879.1729612926877.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <953680012.2659879.1729612926877@mail.yahoo.com>
 <003901db2574$bf6ce360$3e46aa20$@bluefrog.com>
 <d4f7b5d6-2c05-4593-9027-cb006a93b87d@verizon.net>
 <000201db261f$7e118280$7a348780$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <002501db264d$2a5c4930$7f14db90$@bluefrog.com>

Found this link for sunbeam locks.

 <https://forum.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/sunbeam-alpine-tiger-rebuilding-and-re-fitting-door-handles-and-locks.29310/> Sunbeam Alpine & Tiger: Rebuilding and re-fitting door handles and locks. | SAOCA Forum

 

Maybe it will help.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2024 10:18 AM
To: 'Tom Witt' <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices

 

Here is a picture of an ignition switch lock cylinder and key.

With the key inserted everything is flush with the lock cylinder so it will turn.

Pins or wafers are spring loaded, they can be removed and moved on the cylinder to make a key work.

 

The other lock cylinders are similar and can be removed for inspection.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 4:09 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] exchange door locking devices

 

"Can anyone recommend a topnotch Sunbeam lock and key person?"

Sunbeam specific..., likely they are all under the soil in the mother country by now. However there are probably a craftsmen or two out there - somewhere. Hopefully some knows.

While some may consider this barbaric I have done the following out of necessity. Locks typically have either pins or wafers.

Pins: I will insert the key and play around with the pins until I find those that come flush with the rotating tumbler. Sometimes pins can be doubled up to meet that height. Other times I have filed pins to meet that height.  Generally there are also non-rotating, opposing pins in the housing. Any tumbler pin that doesn't come flush I leave it and its opposing pin out. While this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation it still offers a degree of a locking effect (better than nothing).

Wafers: I find them easier. I will juggle them around so that with the key inserted there is the least degree of wafer height outside the tumbler. Then whatever remains outside the tumbler circumference I file off. Again, this lessens the strength of the lock to rotation but still offers a degree of a locking effect.

So, if all else fails.., this is at least a functional option and given that historically locking was not a primary consideration you would gain something even if not full strength. The free spinning lock seems like it has no pins or wafers. The key that jams I'm not sure if you mean on insertion, or once inserted it wouldn't rotate. That could be corrosion/dirt or just the wrong key for the pin/wafer configuration.

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From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Oct 25 11:32:32 2024
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:32:32 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Part Required for my Tiger
Message-ID: <CA+mjxLGLuy5uBUXCCPsjUrNDZUpkuK0pA_HBxeve1c34QcG83A@mail.gmail.com>

[image: My 1965 Tiger.jpg]
Hello fellow Tiger owners!

As part of my most recent trip to my favourite local shop I had my Tiger
gone over by my favourite local mechanic .He discovered a damaged rear
Differential Pinion seal, and needs the part number so he can order a new
one and install it.

I live in Waverley, Nova Scotia, Canada, and as you may guess there is no
local shop that carries this part or its part number in this area. So, I am
writing to see if any of you good folk might have access to such  a part,
or part number, or know who or where to write so that I might buy one and
make my otherwise great Tiger whole again.

I can be reached at *1-902-448-2250* (Mobile phone)
                           or: *1- 902-860-3187* (Residence)

Mailing Address:

*1790 Waverley Road, Waverley, Nova Scotia*
*Canada*

Thanks for your attention, and any help you can provide to get my hands on
this part I acquire.
*Dave Munroe*
*Waverley, Nova Scotia*
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Oct 25 12:19:33 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:19:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Part Required for my Tiger
In-Reply-To: <CA+mjxLGLuy5uBUXCCPsjUrNDZUpkuK0pA_HBxeve1c34QcG83A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+mjxLGLuy5uBUXCCPsjUrNDZUpkuK0pA_HBxeve1c34QcG83A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01db270a$72892b70$579b8250$@bluefrog.com>

>From the Tiger Parts List ? Dana part numbers for differential parts

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Munroe via Tigers
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2024 1:33 PM
To: rootes1 via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Part Required for my Tiger

 



Hello fellow Tiger owners!

 

As part of my most recent trip to my favourite local shop I had my Tiger gone over by my favourite local mechanic .He discovered a damaged rear Differential Pinion seal, and needs the part number so he can order a new one and install it.

 

I live in Waverley, Nova Scotia, Canada, and as you may guess there is no local shop that carries this part or its part number in this area. So, I am writing to see if any of you good folk might have access to such  a part, or part number, or know who or where to write so that I might buy one and make my otherwise great Tiger whole again.

 

I can be reached at 1-902-448-2250 (Mobile phone)

                           or: 1- 902-860-3187 (Residence)

 

Mailing Address:

1790 Waverley Road, Waverley, Nova Scotia

Canada

 

Thanks for your attention, and any help you can provide to get my hands on this part I acquire.

Dave Munroe

Waverley, Nova Scotia

 

 

 

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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 25 13:41:03 2024
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:41:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Part Required for my Tiger
In-Reply-To: <CA+mjxLGLuy5uBUXCCPsjUrNDZUpkuK0pA_HBxeve1c34QcG83A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+mjxLGLuy5uBUXCCPsjUrNDZUpkuK0pA_HBxeve1c34QcG83A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0ha5ffE1z7Fkxpp2z1ACRg4wGvx0yx+pJSMLy+HsDpa_8g@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,
The Tiger rear is a Dana 44 and would have been used on Jeeps.  I would
expect that you have a local shop that does Jeep work.  I think that the
part that you want is Dana P/N 14223.  I have attached two sheets from the
parts manual so you and your mechanic can look the part up for yourselves.
Good luck.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 1:32?PM Dave Munroe via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> [image: My 1965 Tiger.jpg]
> Hello fellow Tiger owners!
>
> As part of my most recent trip to my favourite local shop I had my Tiger
> gone over by my favourite local mechanic .He discovered a damaged rear
> Differential Pinion seal, and needs the part number so he can order a new
> one and install it.
>
> I live in Waverley, Nova Scotia, Canada, and as you may guess there is no
> local shop that carries this part or its part number in this area. So, I am
> writing to see if any of you good folk might have access to such  a part,
> or part number, or know who or where to write so that I might buy one and
> make my otherwise great Tiger whole again.
>
> I can be reached at *1-902-448-2250* (Mobile phone)
>                            or: *1- 902-860-3187* (Residence)
>
> Mailing Address:
>
> *1790 Waverley Road, Waverley, Nova Scotia*
> *Canada*
>
> Thanks for your attention, and any help you can provide to get my hands on
> this part I acquire.
> *Dave Munroe*
> *Waverley, Nova Scotia*
>
>
>
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