From rollright at aol.com  Wed Jul  3 08:11:57 2024
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 14:11:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] rear brake wheel cylinders
References: <1396033345.364105.1720015917459.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1396033345.364105.1720015917459@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?I have a collection of similar rear wheel brake cylinders that look identical. They do have different bore sizes and a different part number cast into the body.?The smaller bore is cast 304170The larger is cast 304270?I believe the smaller cylinder 304170? is correct.Any idea what the larger one goes to??BTW: years ago, Tod Brown gave me a box of wheel cylinders to clean up. He said, go ahead and keep a couple for spares..
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jul  3 08:49:11 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 10:49:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] rear brake wheel cylinders
In-Reply-To: <1396033345.364105.1720015917459@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1396033345.364105.1720015917459.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1396033345.364105.1720015917459@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01dacd58$2c3b9790$84b2c6b0$@bluefrog.com>

Jim 

 

Those are Girling casting numbers, possibly part numbers.

I have no cross references for them.

304170 is ?? bore ? I believe this is the size on my Tiger.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2024 10:12 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] rear brake wheel cylinders

 

Hello,

 

I have a collection of similar rear wheel brake cylinders that look identical. 

They do have different bore sizes and a different part number cast into the body.

 

The smaller bore is cast 304170

The larger is cast 304270

 

I believe the smaller cylinder 304170  is correct.

Any idea what the larger one goes to?

 

BTW: years ago, Tod Brown gave me a box of wheel cylinders to clean up. He said, go ahead and keep a couple for spares..

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 08:59:36 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:59:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] rear brake wheel cylinders
In-Reply-To: <000d01dacd58$2c3b9790$84b2c6b0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1396033345.364105.1720015917459.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1396033345.364105.1720015917459@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000d01dacd58$2c3b9790$84b2c6b0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CADoP9FfcrQx3urb7y9BS+vpN-rU4abbgmq-rWc-AJtb2NEgR0Q@mail.gmail.com>

And I think the other size is early Alpine.  IIRC, changing to those is a
performance improvement.
Gary W.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 7:52?AM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Jim
>
>
>
> Those are Girling casting numbers, possibly part numbers.
>
> I have no cross references for them.
>
> 304170 is ?? bore ? I believe this is the size on my Tiger.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *James
> Armstrong via Tigers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2024 10:12 AM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] rear brake wheel cylinders
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have a collection of similar rear wheel brake cylinders that look
> identical.
>
> They do have different bore sizes and a different part number cast into
> the body.
>
>
>
> The smaller bore is cast 304170
>
> The larger is cast 304270
>
>
>
> I believe the smaller cylinder 304170  is correct.
>
> Any idea what the larger one goes to?
>
>
>
> BTW: years ago, Tod Brown gave me a box of wheel cylinders to clean up. He
> said, go ahead and keep a couple for spares..
>
>
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Mk 1A
>
> 382002083 LRXFE
>
> Code 86
>
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From rollright at aol.com  Wed Jul  3 09:09:20 2024
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 15:09:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
References: <783401123.379408.1720019360456.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <783401123.379408.1720019360456@mail.yahoo.com>

Gary, Ron and David;
?Thanks so much for your wheel cylinder help !??
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jul  4 11:29:57 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 13:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
Message-ID: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>

There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust
manifold.

 

Norm Miller states BARCAST

 

Another believes it is DARCAST - this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust
manifold for British cars.

 

Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?

 

Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust manifold?

 

Thanks 

Ron Fraser

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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Thu Jul  4 12:01:00 2024
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 14:01:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <792ED970-3BE4-469D-92DB-668EF8E30D1E@ix.netcom.com>

We?ve tried tall for presidents in recent years and they?ve been mediocre at best.

Maybe 2024 is the year for short.


Sent from my iPhone using Apple dictation 

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust manifold.
>  
> Norm Miller states BARCAST
>  
> Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars.
>  
> Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?
>  
> Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust manifold?
>  
> Thanks
> Ron Fraser
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 12:14:04 2024
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 13:14:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfmwWa64wzqYLiHAsXZ9DyT4TU4m=jzUfRoR2BcO55RBCQ@mail.gmail.com>

I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring the car.  I wish I
had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thing.  I can't really
tell if that starts with a B or not.
[image: IMG_20181106_150315.jpg]

Have Fun,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46?PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust
> manifold.
>
>
>
> Norm Miller states BARCAST
>
>
>
> Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many
> exhaust manifold for British cars.
>
>
>
> Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?
>
>
>
> Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust
> manifold?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron Fraser
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Thu Jul  4 13:38:46 2024
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:38:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 14:19:27 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 13:19:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <8ED222B0-72E6-44F8-982E-EC06623BD446@ix.netcom.com>
References: <8ED222B0-72E6-44F8-982E-EC06623BD446@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <CADoP9FffsHR-rNvoVOzjBL05v1WyfpSYMxs7_e9cqXf-Dr57cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent.  I bet it was either a typo of Norm's or he was confused..
wasn't the original LAT parts made by someplace
like "BuddyBarr" or something Bar..?
Gary W.


On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:42?PM Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

> ?Hope this helps ?. ?D? not ?B?
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone using Apple dictation
>
> On Jul 4, 2024, at 3:10?PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring the car.  I wish I
> had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thing.  I can't really
> tell if that starts with a B or not.
> [image: IMG_20181106_150315.jpg]
>
> Have Fun,
> Joe Brown
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46?PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust
>> manifold.
>>
>>
>>
>> Norm Miller states BARCAST
>>
>>
>>
>> Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many
>> exhaust manifold for British cars.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust
>> manifold?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  4 14:28:00 2024
From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (Arden Bedell)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 13:28:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfmwWa64wzqYLiHAsXZ9DyT4TU4m=jzUfRoR2BcO55RBCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
 <CAKb_wfmwWa64wzqYLiHAsXZ9DyT4TU4m=jzUfRoR2BcO55RBCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <LV8P221MB14713A6C235C29B1041558C7AFDE2@LV8P221MB1471.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I just took a look at the manifold on my engine which is out and hung on 
an engine stand, and it looks like Darcast to me.

The "DA" in the prefix on the part number lends some to the argument 
that it's Darcast.


On 7/4/24 11:14 AM, Joe Brown wrote:
> I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring the car.? I 
> wish I had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thing.? I 
> can't really tell if that starts with a B or not.
> IMG_20181106_150315.jpg
>
> Have Fun,
> Joe Brown
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46?PM Ron Fraser via Tigers 
> <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt
>     exhaust manifold.
>
>     Norm Miller states BARCAST
>
>     Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast
>     many exhaust manifold for British cars.
>
>     Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust
>     manifold?
>
>     Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust
>     manifold?
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Ron Fraser
>
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>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jul  4 14:40:07 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 16:40:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <CADoP9FffsHR-rNvoVOzjBL05v1WyfpSYMxs7_e9cqXf-Dr57cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ED222B0-72E6-44F8-982E-EC06623BD446@ix.netcom.com>
 <CADoP9FffsHR-rNvoVOzjBL05v1WyfpSYMxs7_e9cqXf-Dr57cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201dace52$5d0fd610$172f8230$@bluefrog.com>

Gary

Right now it looks like a typo.   This is a great thread and we are examining the details for the Rt exhaust manifold.

 

Some of the LAT parts were made by Buddy Bar.

The LAT parts were made by the same vendors Shelby American used since the patterns were there.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Gary Winblad
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 4:19 PM
To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

 

Excellent.  I bet it was either a typo of Norm's or he was confused.. wasn't the original LAT parts made by someplace

like "BuddyBarr" or something Bar..?

Gary W.

 

 

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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 14:45:46 2024
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:45:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <CADoP9FffsHR-rNvoVOzjBL05v1WyfpSYMxs7_e9cqXf-Dr57cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ED222B0-72E6-44F8-982E-EC06623BD446@ix.netcom.com>
 <CADoP9FffsHR-rNvoVOzjBL05v1WyfpSYMxs7_e9cqXf-Dr57cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnv=DUqAso8P8Cc6Nkgxw25dtpxPG9XSoqvmDx-oxoy1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, Buddy Bar. And they still make the Tiger valve covers.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, 3:19?PM Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Excellent.  I bet it was either a typo of Norm's or he was confused..
> wasn't the original LAT parts made by someplace
> like "BuddyBarr" or something Bar..?
> Gary W.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:42?PM Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ?Hope this helps ?. ?D? not ?B?
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>> Sent from my iPhone using Apple dictation
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 3:10?PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring the car.  I wish
>> I had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thing.  I can't really
>> tell if that starts with a B or not.
>> [image: IMG_20181106_150315.jpg]
>>
>> Have Fun,
>> Joe Brown
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46?PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust
>>> manifold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Norm Miller states BARCAST
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many
>>> exhaust manifold for British cars.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust
>>> manifold?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ron Fraser
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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>>> Unsubscribe:
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com
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>>>
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>>
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 15:05:54 2024
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:05:54 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <8ED222B0-72E6-44F8-982E-EC06623BD446@ix.netcom.com>
References: <8ED222B0-72E6-44F8-982E-EC06623BD446@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <CANE47iTHdEiJBStfV_U5Do0+a-77mc7cbAgMgyBue8XoDkHneg@mail.gmail.com>

It?s just a casting error.  I believe it should be a B.  As that is
actually i company I?ve heard of from the era.

Il giorno gio 4 lug 2024 alle 21:45 Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
ha scritto:

> ?Hope this helps ?. ?D? not ?B?
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone using Apple dictation
>
> On Jul 4, 2024, at 3:10?PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring the car.  I wish I
> had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thing.  I can't really
> tell if that starts with a B or not.
> [image: IMG_20181106_150315.jpg]
>
> Have Fun,
> Joe Brown
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46?PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust
>> manifold.
>>
>>
>>
>> Norm Miller states BARCAST
>>
>>
>>
>> Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many
>> exhaust manifold for British cars.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust
>> manifold?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ron Fraser
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jul  4 16:35:42 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 18:35:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <CANE47iTHdEiJBStfV_U5Do0+a-77mc7cbAgMgyBue8XoDkHneg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ED222B0-72E6-44F8-982E-EC06623BD446@ix.netcom.com>
 <CANE47iTHdEiJBStfV_U5Do0+a-77mc7cbAgMgyBue8XoDkHneg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003b01dace62$821bfc80$8653f580$@bluefrog.com>

Owain 

A casting error or void is very possible but we have not been able to find any reference to BARCAST Foundry.

We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 5:06 PM
To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

 

It?s just a casting error.  I believe it should be a B.  As that is actually i company I?ve heard of from the era.

 

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From packertl3 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  4 16:57:49 2024
From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:57:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <CANE47iTHdEiJBStfV_U5Do0+a-77mc7cbAgMgyBue8XoDkHneg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ED222B0-72E6-44F8-982E-EC06623BD446@ix.netcom.com>
 <CANE47iTHdEiJBStfV_U5Do0+a-77mc7cbAgMgyBue8XoDkHneg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <516366447.1015822.1720133871763@mail.yahoo.com>

 


A search of Google UK brought virtually no hits for Barcast but Darcast has a large presence as a foundry/crankshaft manufacturer. Seems likely the same foundry firm now specializes in new lines of products. There are also manifolds listed by others (Ebay for example) who also believe the company was Darcast. Hope this helps.
Terry





    On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 03:14:31 PM PDT, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 It?s just a casting error.? I believe it should be a B.? As that is actually i company I?ve heard of from the era.
Il giorno gio 4 lug 2024 alle 21:45 Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> ha scritto:

?Hope this helps ?. ?D? not ?B?



Sent from my iPhone using Apple dictation?

On Jul 4, 2024, at 3:10?PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:



?I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring the car.? I wish I had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thing.? I can't really tell if that starts with a B or not.

Have Fun,Joe Brown
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46?PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust manifold.

?

Norm Miller states BARCAST

?

Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars.

?

Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?

?

Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust manifold?

?

Thanks 

Ron Fraser
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul  4 18:11:23 2024
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 00:11:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <1917031476.673158.1720138283393@mail.yahoo.com>

 In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."?

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).? I have uncovered additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.
Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."? Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.
1.? Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).? In later years that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.? Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: DarCast.
2.? An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.? Also attached is another print ad from 1965.? ?That ad lists the type of castings they produced.
3.? On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."? I looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."? I submit: "DA" was likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.
4.? Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.
I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.? The link to that thread follows:??https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/
Best Regards,

Bill Waite


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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 19:28:59 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 18:28:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <1917031476.673158.1720138283393@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
 <1917031476.673158.1720138283393@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADoP9Ff3-Hb7hwFb8txOvw3m2_WjoPrT03pG+Poxr+Y_i8_1dw@mail.gmail.com>

Same exact logo.  It was DARCAST, no question.
Gary W.


On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11?PM Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm
> Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK
> Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."
>
> The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger /
> Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information today
> which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust
> Manifold is *DARCAST*.
>
> Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this
> case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.
>
> 1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "*Dartmouth
> Auto Castings*" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years that company
> operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the
> name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the* DART* in
> Dartmouth and the *CAST* in Castings to create its logo: *DarCast*.
>
> 2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly
> shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from 1965.
>  That ad lists the type of castings they produced.
>
> 3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked
> at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also
> have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "*DA*" was likely
> used as the prefix of "*D*artmouth *A*uto" part numbers.
>
> 4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a
> photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.
>
> I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the
> C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:
> https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Bill Waite
>
>
>
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jul  5 07:08:10 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 09:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <1917031476.673158.1720138283393@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
 <1917031476.673158.1720138283393@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001dacedc$645fae10$2d1f0a30$@bluefrog.com>

Bill

 

Well done and thank you for pursuing this subject.

Rootes redesigned the Rt Exhaust manifold for a center dump and DARCAST cast the manifold for the Tiger.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 8:11 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; winbladgary at gmail.com; owain.lloyd at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

 

In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars." 

 

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.

 

Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

 

1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: DarCast.


2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from 1965.   That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

 

3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "DA" was likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

 

4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

 

I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:  https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/

 

Best Regards,

 

Bill Waite

 

 

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jul  5 08:12:19 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 10:12:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <CADoP9Ff3-Hb7hwFb8txOvw3m2_WjoPrT03pG+Poxr+Y_i8_1dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001dace37$cc0c6b20$64254160$@bluefrog.com>
 <1917031476.673158.1720138283393@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CADoP9Ff3-Hb7hwFb8txOvw3m2_WjoPrT03pG+Poxr+Y_i8_1dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501dacee5$5a1e9fc0$0e5bdf40$@bluefrog.com>

The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.   I think this is just an updated number but it needs to be explored.

 

Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; owain.lloyd at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

 

Same exact logo.  It was DARCAST, no question.

Gary W.

 

 

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11?PM Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net <mailto:fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars." 

 

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.

 

Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

 

1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: DarCast.


2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from 1965.   That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

 

3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "DA" was likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

 

4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

 

I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:  https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/

 

Best Regards,

 

Bill Waite

 

 

 

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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 19:04:26 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 18:04:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <000501dacee5$5a1e9fc0$0e5bdf40$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000501dacee5$5a1e9fc0$0e5bdf40$@bluefrog.com>
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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul  5 22:56:42 2024
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 04:56:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <09886163-D3E1-4BBA-B6EF-89E89CDA4B6B@gmail.com>
References: <000501dacee5$5a1e9fc0$0e5bdf40$@bluefrog.com>
 <09886163-D3E1-4BBA-B6EF-89E89CDA4B6B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1555175396.876092.1720241802963@mail.yahoo.com>

 Because Ford didn't make a manifold for the right side that didn't shoot straight back into the firewall.
David






    On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 07:40:24 PM PDT, Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I am curious why the Ford manifold neededto be changed?Gary W
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53?PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:



?

The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.?? I think this is just an updated number but it needs to be explored.

 ?

Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?

 ?

Ron Fraser

 ?

From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; owain.lloyd at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

 ?

Same exact logo.? It was DARCAST, no question.

Gary W.

 ?

 ?

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11?PM Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."?

 ?

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).? I have uncovered additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.

 ?

Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."? Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

 ?

1.? Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).? In later years that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.? Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: DarCast.


2.? An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.? Also attached is another print ad from 1965.? ?That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

 ?

3.? On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."? I looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."? I submit: "DA" was likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

 ?

4.? Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

 ?

I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.? The link to that thread follows:??https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/

 ?

Best Regards,

 ?

Bill Waite

 ?

 ?

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jul  6 06:55:58 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 08:55:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <09886163-D3E1-4BBA-B6EF-89E89CDA4B6B@gmail.com>
References: <000501dacee5$5a1e9fc0$0e5bdf40$@bluefrog.com>
 <09886163-D3E1-4BBA-B6EF-89E89CDA4B6B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401dacfa3$da7858f0$8f690ad0$@bluefrog.com>

Gary

 

The Tiger engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that mirrors the LT exhaust manifold and avoids the engine mount.

 

1964 Ford stock RT exhaust manifold



>From Bob Mannel?s book pg.4-36

 

Tiger RT exhaust manifold with choke heat riser

 



Photo from Bill Waite

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2024 9:04 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

 

I am curious why the Ford manifold needed

to be changed?

Gary W

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53?PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.   I think this is just an updated number but it needs to be explored.

 

Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com <mailto:winbladgary at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net <mailto:fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> >
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> ; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >; Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >; owain.lloyd at gmail.com <mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

 

Same exact logo.  It was DARCAST, no question.

Gary W.

 

 

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11?PM Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net <mailto:fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars." 

 

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.

 

Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

 

1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: DarCast.


2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from 1965.   That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

 

3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "DA" was likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

 

4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

 

I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:   <https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/> https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/

 

Best Regards,

 

Bill Waite

 

 

 

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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 07:46:34 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 06:46:34 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <000401dacfa3$da7858f0$8f690ad0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000501dacee5$5a1e9fc0$0e5bdf40$@bluefrog.com>
 <09886163-D3E1-4BBA-B6EF-89E89CDA4B6B@gmail.com>
 <000401dacfa3$da7858f0$8f690ad0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CADoP9FdH=Qj0QDwZ3DgSpzTE8SsTycEzpvmuCsQYUZr_swwJzw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys.
Ford had the rear exit manifold for the driver side too, I thought they
would have something with down exit for the passenger side too.
Especially since they sold those engines for industrial use.
Gary W.


On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 5:56?AM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Gary
>
>
>
> The Tiger engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that mirrors the LT exhaust
> manifold and avoids the engine mount.
>
>
>
> 1964 Ford stock RT exhaust manifold
>
> From Bob Mannel?s book pg.4-36
>
>
>
> Tiger RT exhaust manifold with choke heat riser
>
>
>
> Photo from Bill Waite
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 05, 2024 9:04 PM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> *Cc:* Tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
>
>
>
> I am curious why the Ford manifold needed
>
> to be changed?
>
> Gary W
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53?PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.   I think this is just an
> updated number but it needs to be explored.
>
>
>
> Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
> *To:* Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
> *Cc:* tigers at autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Allan
> Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; owain.lloyd at gmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
>
>
>
> Same exact logo.  It was DARCAST, no question.
>
> Gary W.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11?PM Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm
> Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK
> Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."
>
>
>
> The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger /
> Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information today
> which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust
> Manifold is *DARCAST*.
>
>
>
> Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this
> case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.
>
>
>
> 1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "*Dartmouth
> Auto Castings*" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years that company
> operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the
> name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the* DART* in
> Dartmouth and the *CAST* in Castings to create its logo: *DarCast*.
>
>
> 2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly
> shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from 1965.
>  That ad lists the type of castings they produced.
>
>
>
> 3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked
> at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also
> have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "*DA*" was likely
> used as the prefix of "*D*artmouth *A*uto" part numbers.
>
>
>
> 4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a
> photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.
>
>
>
> I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the
> C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:
> https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Bill Waite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul  6 08:44:02 2024
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 14:44:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
In-Reply-To: <CADoP9FdH=Qj0QDwZ3DgSpzTE8SsTycEzpvmuCsQYUZr_swwJzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501dacee5$5a1e9fc0$0e5bdf40$@bluefrog.com>
 <09886163-D3E1-4BBA-B6EF-89E89CDA4B6B@gmail.com>
 <000401dacfa3$da7858f0$8f690ad0$@bluefrog.com>
 <CADoP9FdH=Qj0QDwZ3DgSpzTE8SsTycEzpvmuCsQYUZr_swwJzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <897357264.913827.1720277042171@mail.yahoo.com>

In 1966, they made a different left manifold (for the Fairlane), but the right side still went straight back.
The Tiger left manifold was for a Falcon, and wasn't used on the Mustangs.
I believe the Falcon had the ?Tiger? type, so the exhaust pipe would clear the power steering ram.

David



Even the High Performance manifold went out the back.


    On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 06:58:45 AM PDT, Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Thanks guys.Ford had the rear exit manifold for the driver side too, I thought they would have something with down exit for the passenger side too.Especially since they sold those engines for industrial use.Gary W.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 5:56?AM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


Gary

?

The Tiger engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that mirrors the LT exhaust manifold and avoids the engine mount.

?

1964 Ford stock RT exhaust manifold



>From Bob Mannel?s book pg.4-36

?

Tiger RT exhaust manifold with choke heat riser

?



Photo from Bill Waite

?

Ron Fraser

?

?

?

From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2024 9:04 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

?

I am curious why the Ford manifold needed

to be changed?

Gary W

?

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53?PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:



?

The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.?? I think this is just an updated number but it needs to be explored.

?

Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?

?

Ron Fraser

?

From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; owain.lloyd at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

?

Same exact logo.? It was DARCAST, no question.

Gary W.

?

?

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11?PM Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST ? this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."?

?

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).? I have uncovered additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.

?

Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."? Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

?

1.? Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).? In later years that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.? Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: DarCast.


2.? An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.? Also attached is another print ad from 1965.? ?That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

?

3.? On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."? I looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."? I submit: "DA" was likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

?

4.? Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

?

I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.? The link to that thread follows:??https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/

?

Best Regards,

?

Bill Waite

?

?

?


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jul  7 14:32:04 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 16:32:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II exhaust manifold
Message-ID: <001001dad0ac$bc4ebcc0$34ec3640$@bluefrog.com>

Here is a picture of a MK II Rt exhaust manifold from Joe Chiappetta via
Bill Harris.






All the numbers are the same as the MK I manifold so Rootes only updated
their part number for the 289 engines.

 

If there are any differences between the Mk I and MK II manifolds, we would
need to see the MK II drawing - 1236160.

If anyone has an original MK II manifold with different markings, please
send a good picture.

 

This has been an interesting venture into the origins of Tiger parts.    All
it takes is curiosity and a desire to dig deeper.

 

We proceeded from BARCAST to DARCAST Foundry and the production of this
exhaust manifold in the UK.   There are still some unanswered questions
regarding this part but the main story is clear now.

 

Thanks to Bill Waite and all who contributed.


Ron Fraser

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jul 17 09:23:20 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:23:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] RHD lower radiator connector casting
Message-ID: <000001dad85d$43030340$c90909c0$@bluefrog.com>

Anyone have a picture of the original RHD Tiger lower radiator hose
connector casting - 1229854?

 

I was wondering what casting marks are there.

 

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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 16:30:26 2024
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 17:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Blades
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfkABEf3+r0vT1t7t=oF+g4bc8kxwGpU_vj+y+BEDoYtBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

What are people doing for replacement wiper blades?  The ones on my car
were made by Anco and are about 11" long.  They mount to the wiper arms
with a snap in mount that doesn't seem to be used by anybody anymore.  Here
is a picture of what I have.  I don't know if they are original to the car
or not.
[image: image.png]

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From lon at sedona.net  Sun Jul 21 17:11:55 2024
From: lon at sedona.net (Lon Walters)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:11:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 77
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Can anyone tell me what happened to Buck? Haven't seen him, Claudia or his
Tiger in Monterey for years.
Lon

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Hey,

What are people doing for replacement wiper blades?  The ones on my car were
made by Anco and are about 11" long.  They mount to the wiper arms with a
snap in mount that doesn't seem to be used by anybody anymore.  Here is a
picture of what I have.  I don't know if they are original to the car or
not.
[image: image.png]

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Sun Jul 21 17:55:04 2024
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:55:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 77
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Could be a couple of things. Not sure if John Morton is still driving the car. Isn?t that event by invitation only? Buck and Claudia are fine. Kirk. 

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> What are people doing for replacement wiper blades?  The ones on my car were
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> snap in mount that doesn't seem to be used by anybody anymore.  Here is a
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 10:14:21 2024
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 09:14:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Harrington Tiger
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z7oF=YiMarJzrWzmdv6SMMTKw78o8Qmj31v_TMer4Gqiw@mail.gmail.com>

I met a guy recently who had a Harrington Tiger in the 80s in Fresno,
California.  It was green.  To my knowledge, the blue one is the only
factory one.  So either it was a Tiger with a Harrington top added, or a
Harrington Alpine converted to a Tiger.  Anyone know of a green one
floating around?
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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 11:03:05 2024
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 10:03:05 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Harrington Tiger
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z7oF=YiMarJzrWzmdv6SMMTKw78o8Qmj31v_TMer4Gqiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjp1z7oF=YiMarJzrWzmdv6SMMTKw78o8Qmj31v_TMer4Gqiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADoP9Fc=ReHNYb6hR9pcdTPTpC2q3xOsBVpQWEqEOp8HC-7tNg@mail.gmail.com>

I think there is a picture (black and white) of a counterfeit Harrington
Tiger in the Book Of Norman.
Gary W.


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> California.  It was green.  To my knowledge, the blue one is the only
> factory one.  So either it was a Tiger with a Harrington top added, or a
> Harrington Alpine converted to a Tiger.  Anyone know of a green one
> floating around?
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jul 23 12:42:21 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:42:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] RHD lower radiator connector casting
In-Reply-To: <000001dad85d$43030340$c90909c0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000001dad85d$43030340$c90909c0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <001901dadd30$0f3c7500$2db55f00$@bluefrog.com>

No one has replied so I have to assume the reproduction part that Sunbeam
Spares UK lists is accurate.

 



 

Rootes part # - 1229854 is cast into the part.

 

If there are any other casting marks, I would like to know.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 11:23 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] RHD lower radiator connector casting

 

Anyone have a picture of the original RHD Tiger lower radiator hose
connector casting - 1229854?

 

I was wondering what casting marks are there.

 

Ron Fraser

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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 19:21:21 2024
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Austinhealer
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z7EPVsHXyvY90KvDk5Ga8-6-pT8pM8-FzJF65C2NBwQLg@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone here Austinhealer on BAT?  I see him post a lot and figure we must
be on some of the same Tiger lists.
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From jim at island.net  Tue Jul 23 20:26:34 2024
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:26:34 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Austinhealer
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z7EPVsHXyvY90KvDk5Ga8-6-pT8pM8-FzJF65C2NBwQLg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <F3767768-D65D-4283-B961-499272A68F4C@island.net>

That?s Sean from Washington state. I don?t think he?s on Facebook but he does post on the CAT forum


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jul 25 10:40:48 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:40:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket
Message-ID: <000401dadeb1$68a85190$39f8f4b0$@bluefrog.com>

I'm looking for pictures of the original Mk I and MK II clutch slave
cylinder bracket.

 

I would like to see any casting numbers or marks on both brackets.

 

Ron Fraser

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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Thu Jul 25 10:53:49 2024
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BB9348E6-62DF-46C3-A73C-03ACC6372E23@ix.netcom.com>



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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 11:30:55 2024
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 01:30:55 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
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I don't see the sunbeam or tiger relevance???

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Michael King

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From mark44124 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 13:48:58 2024
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket
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Hi Ron, just happen to have one out at the moment. Casting numbers on one
side only as far as I could tell. It?s off B382001465.

Bugz



On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 1:07?PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?m looking for pictures of the original Mk I and MK II clutch slave
> cylinder bracket.
>
>
>
> I would like to see any casting numbers or marks on both brackets.
>
>
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jul 25 14:17:17 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:17:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket
In-Reply-To: <CA+8dKTvRZnqNtbLdwoPAyj-aF9Q1qxJEo0HyK7h_r+sb6e2cSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000401dadeb1$68a85190$39f8f4b0$@bluefrog.com>
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Mark

 

Thank you for the picture.

The 1981002 number is the Rootes Rough Drawing Number, I?m not sure what CW means.

 

I just received some information compiled by Dan Case that compares the Cobra bracket to the Tiger bracket and also indicates that the 1st 56 Tigers might have the Cobra bracket.   This has not been confirmed but if an early Tiger owner has a picture, send it.

 

I hope someone with a Mk II has a picture of this bracket.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Mark Rense <mark44124 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:49 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket

 

Hi Ron, just happen to have one out at the moment. Casting numbers on one side only as far as I could tell. It?s off B382001465. 

 

Bugz

 





 

 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 1:07?PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I?m looking for pictures of the original Mk I and MK II clutch slave cylinder bracket.

 

I would like to see any casting numbers or marks on both brackets.

 

Ron Fraser

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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 25 16:08:52 2024
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:08:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket
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<< I hope someone with a Mk II has a picture of this bracket. >>

I dug it out of the shed and took some shots:

   

   

The remarkable part is that I found it so quickly.

Ramon


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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 25 16:56:51 2024
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 22:56:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket
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Ron,?
Photo as installed on my Mk II (same as Ramon's):

Bill


    On Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 06:29:01 PM EDT, Ramon Spontelli <rspontelli at earthlink.net> wrote:  
 
 <<?I hope someone with a Mk II has a picture of this bracket.?>>
I dug it out of the shed and took some shots:
? ?
? ?
The remarkable part is that I found it so quickly.
Ramon

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jul 25 17:10:09 2024
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:10:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket
In-Reply-To: <092A4AAB-FD96-4026-99BD-E91F83EB3D07@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.2831.1721938687.11536.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <092A4AAB-FD96-4026-99BD-E91F83EB3D07@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004501dadee7$cd482540$67d86fc0$@bluefrog.com>

Interesting, I thought it was a cast part, but then I'm not that familiar
with everything Mk II.

 

It appears there are not stamped number on this part but if there are let me
know.

 

Thank you for the pictures.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Ramon Spontelli <rspontelli at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 6:09 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; mark44124 at gmail.com
Cc: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: clutch slave bracket

 

<< I hope someone with a Mk II has a picture of this bracket. >>

 

I dug it out of the shed and took some shots:

 

   

 

   

 

The remarkable part is that I found it so quickly.

 

Ramon

 

 

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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 25 19:10:33 2024
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 01:10:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket
In-Reply-To: <004501dadee7$cd482540$67d86fc0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <mailman.2831.1721938687.11536.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <092A4AAB-FD96-4026-99BD-E91F83EB3D07@earthlink.net>
 <004501dadee7$cd482540$67d86fc0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <591535396.45366.1721956234073@mail.yahoo.com>

 Answer may be here:
CAT 6 bolt slave bracket


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    On Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 07:52:02 PM EDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:  
 
 
Interesting, I thought it was a cast part, but then I?m not that familiar with everything Mk II.

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It appears there are not stamped number on this part but if there are let me know.

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Thank you for the pictures.

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Ron Fraser

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From: Ramon Spontelli <rspontelli at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 6:09 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; mark44124 at gmail.com
Cc: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: clutch slave bracket

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<<?I hope someone with a Mk II has a picture of this bracket.?>>

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I dug it out of the shed and took some shots:

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The remarkable part is that I found it so quickly.

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Ramon

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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 25 19:43:26 2024
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:43:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] clutch slave bracket
In-Reply-To: <004501dadee7$cd482540$67d86fc0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <mailman.2831.1721938687.11536.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <092A4AAB-FD96-4026-99BD-E91F83EB3D07@earthlink.net>
 <004501dadee7$cd482540$67d86fc0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <EA696C64-2E2B-41B2-8C5E-BD0FC97ADE9E@earthlink.net>

Nope.  I do not see any number stamped on the Mk II bracket.

Ramon



On Jul 25, 2024, at 4:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

Interesting, I thought it was a cast part, but then I?m not that familiar with everything Mk II.
 
It appears there are not stamped number on this part but if there are let me know.
 
Thank you for the pictures.
 
Ron Fraser
 
From: Ramon Spontelli <rspontelli at earthlink.net <mailto:rspontelli at earthlink.net>> 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 6:09 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>; mark44124 at gmail.com <mailto:mark44124 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: clutch slave bracket
 
<< I hope someone with a Mk II has a picture of this bracket. >>
 
I dug it out of the shed and took some shots:
 
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The remarkable part is that I found it so quickly.
 
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 14:57:24 2024
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 15:57:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  Wiper Blades
In-Reply-To: <000401dadd19$6e1dab50$4a5901f0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <CAKb_wfkABEf3+r0vT1t7t=oF+g4bc8kxwGpU_vj+y+BEDoYtBw@mail.gmail.com>
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The wiper blades that Ron suggested work on my original wiper arms.  In
this photo you can see my old blade on top and the new Trico 11" 33-111 on
the bottom.  The attachment bracket looks a little different but it snaps
right on to my original wiper arms.

I was never able to find any other blade where I could just pull out the
rubber part and use that on my original blades.  On the original blade I
have the thin piece of metal that contains the rubber part is 10.6mm wide
and .83mm thick.  Everything I was able to look at at the parts stores was
thicker and wider and would not fit into my original wiper blade frame.

I'm happy to now have a pair of good, functional blades.

Have Fun,
Joe Brown

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:00?AM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Wiper Blades
To: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>


Joe



Generally, the rubber wiper is held in a stainless steel slide that will
pull out of the arm.

I don?t know what to make of the LIFT pieces other than they lock the slide
to the arm.



I would not think the rubber wiper is bonded to the slide, it should come
apart.

The wiper usually has a ?T? profile the slide goes into.



I don?t have original wiper blades or arms and I?m not sure I have any
original wiper parts anywhere.



Ron



*From:* Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2024 10:59 AM
*To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Wiper Blades



Hi Ron,



I don't think I can just slide out the rubber part.  The rubber is bonded
to a metal blade that slides into the rest of the wiper.  And on each end
there is a piece of metal that prevents it from sliding out.  This piece of
metal at each end has "lift" stamped on it which makes me think I should be
able to slide out the metal/rubber piece, but I haven't figured it out
yet.  I looked at a bunch of wipers at the auto parts places but I didn't
see any that looked like they would slide into what I have.

[image: Wiper.jpg]

[image: Wiper 2.jpg]



I looked at the Trico blades in the link you sent me and I think I will
order the "classic" version and see if they will fit my wiper arms.  I'll
let the list know what I find out.



Thanks,

Joe Brown



On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 11:06?AM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

Joe



Do you only need to replace just the wiper blade?



Buy a 22? wiper ? pull the rubber blade out ? cut in half ? pull the old
blade out ? insert new blade.



Rock Auto does show 11? wipers.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/tools/wiper+&+washer,wiper+blade,11%22+blade,1001275



Ron Fraser







*From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown via
Tigers
*Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2024 6:30 PM
*To:* tigers at autox.team.net
*Subject:* [Tigers] Wiper Blades



Hey,



What are people doing for replacement wiper blades?  The ones on my car
were made by Anco and are about 11" long.  They mount to the wiper arms
with a snap in mount that doesn't seem to be used by anybody anymore.  Here
is a picture of what I have.  I don't know if they are original to the car
or not.

[image: image.png]



Thanks,

Joe Brown
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 12:18:34 2024
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 13:18:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Blades
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfng6geJ3VyY--vYO2s0d9u+nfEOHXH_+Gw5+2hCZ5zq2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I don't think my first attempt to send this went through.

The wiper blades that Ron suggested work on my original wiper arms.  In
this photo you can see my old blade on top and the new Trico 11" 33-111 on
the bottom.  The attachment bracket looks a little different but it snaps
right on to my original wiper arms.
[image: Old and new wiper blades.jpg]

I was never able to find any other blade where I could just pull out the
rubber part and use that on my original blades.  On the original blade I
have the thin piece of metal that contains the rubber part is 10.6mm wide
and .83mm thick.  Everything I was able to look at at the parts stores was
thicker and wider and would not fit into my original wiper blade frame.

I'm happy to now have a pair of good, functional blades.

Have Fun,
Joe Brown
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