From coolvt at aol.com Mon Jan 1 09:14:04 2024 From: coolvt at aol.com (M Lafayette) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Think a Tiger causes pollution? Happy New Year to All. References: <1936415370.3980094.1704125644765.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1936415370.3980094.1704125644765@mail.yahoo.com> The Horse Manure Problem of 1894The 15 to 30 pounds of manure produced daily by each beast multiplied by the 150,000+ horses in New York city resulted in more than three million pounds of horse manure per day that somehow needed to be disposed of. That?s not to mention the daily 40,000 gallons of horse urine.In other words, cities reeked. As Morris says, the ?stench was omnipresent.? Here are some fun bits from his article:Urban streets were minefields that needed to be navigated with the greatest care. ?Crossing sweepers? stood on street corners; for a fee they would clear a path through the mire for pedestrians. Wet weather turned the streets into swamps and rivers of muck, but dry weather brought little improvement; the manure turned to dust, which was then whipped up by the wind, choking pedestrians and coating buildings.. . . even when it had been removed from the streets the manure piled up faster than it could be disposed of . . . early in the century farmers were happy to pay good money for the manure, by the end of the 1800s stable owners had to pay to have it carted off. As a result of this glut . . . vacant lots in cities across America became piled high with manure; in New York these sometimes rose to forty and even sixty feet.We need to remind ourselves that horse manure is an ideal breeding ground for flies, which spread disease. Morris reports that deadly outbreaks of typhoid and ?infant diarrheal diseases can be traced to spikes in the fly population.?Comparing fatalities associated with horse-related accidents in 1916 Chicago versus automobile accidents in 1997, he concludes that people were killed nearly seven times more often back in the good old days. The reasons for this are straightforward:. . . horse-drawn vehicles have an engine with a mind of its own. The skittishness of horses added a dangerous level of unpredictability to nineteenth-century transportation. This was particularly true in a bustling urban environment, full of surprises that could shock and spook the animals. Horses often stampeded, but a more common danger came from horses kicking, biting, or trampling bystanders. Children were particularly at risk.Falls, injuries, and maltreatment also took a toll on the horses themselves. Data cited by Morris indicates that, in 1880, more than 3 dozen dead horses were cleared from New York streets each day (nearly 15,000 a year).? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Embeddedbe06bf4a98494c5c85d405763be2ec73.png Type: image/png Size: 1614206 bytes Desc: not available URL: From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Wed Jan 10 14:30:31 2024 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter and Bonnie MacDonald) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:30:31 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger?? For sale Message-ID: <36C9F1CB-C75C-4B56-AEC6-8D339BAA2842@shaw.ca> Tiger replica?? It states in the ad that it is a replica. Peter From blance598 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:04:20 2024 From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 16:04:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Carpets Message-ID: Any experience with new carpet set and the fit and color you expected. I want a darker blue. 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URL: From jeff.eakin at comcast.net Sat Jan 27 16:15:13 2024 From: jeff.eakin at comcast.net (Jeff) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 16:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Got a question. I never bothered or cared too much about this but exactly where do I look on my ?67 MK-II to see if it?s a matching numbers car? I?d guess it?s not but after watching Barrett-Jackson this afternoon they sure talk about it a lot and got me kinda curious. I think the motor number is on the front / bottom drivers side. Does this mean the motor and transmission have the exact same number? Jeff Eakin CATO > On Jan 24, 2024, at 1:07?PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > ?Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Moss and Sunbeam parts (Ron Fraser) > 2. Re: Moss and Sunbeam parts (michael king) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:50:59 -0500 > From: "Ron Fraser" > To: > Subject: [Tigers] Moss and Sunbeam parts > Message-ID: <000d01da4edd$2173ff40$645bfdc0$@bluefrog.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I see Moss now lists Sunbeam Tiger and Alpine parts. > > > > Ron Fraser > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 00:01:12 +0800 > From: michael king > To: Ron Fraser > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Moss and Sunbeam parts > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > They bought all the parts VB had before they got out of the Sunbeam supply > business. > > ______________ > Regards > > Michael King > >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 11:59?pm Ron Fraser, wrote: >> >> I see Moss now lists Sunbeam Tiger and Alpine parts. >> >> >> >> Ron Fraser >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4 > ************************************* From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Jan 27 17:36:49 2024 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 19:36:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901da5182$16920e80$43b62b80$@bluefrog.com> Jeff 1st you have the Vin plate with the Engine # and group then you have the Sunbeam or Rootes Sticker on the chrome Valve cover. Beyond that point you need to go into the engine assembly date, casting numbers and dates to determine a fit with other Tiger engines. I can help with that if you like. There are records for Vin # its associated engine #, transmission # and Axle # which is as close to numbers matching we get. Basically, if you have a Tiger body with a small block Ford engine, the Tiger community does not care. Drive it, enjoy it. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2024 6:15 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4 Got a question. I never bothered or cared too much about this but exactly where do I look on my ?67 MK-II to see if it?s a matching numbers car? I?d guess it?s not but after watching Barrett-Jackson this afternoon they sure talk about it a lot and got me kinda curious. I think the motor number is on the front / bottom drivers side. Does this mean the motor and transmission have the exact same number? Jeff Eakin CATO > On Jan 24, 2024, at 1:07?PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > ?Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Moss and Sunbeam parts (Ron Fraser) > 2. Re: Moss and Sunbeam parts (michael king) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:50:59 -0500 > From: "Ron Fraser" > To: > Subject: [Tigers] Moss and Sunbeam parts > Message-ID: <000d01da4edd$2173ff40$645bfdc0$@bluefrog.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I see Moss now lists Sunbeam Tiger and Alpine parts. > > > > Ron Fraser > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 00:01:12 +0800 > From: michael king > To: Ron Fraser > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Moss and Sunbeam parts > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > They bought all the parts VB had before they got out of the Sunbeam > supply business. > > ______________ > Regards > > Michael King > >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 11:59?pm Ron Fraser, wrote: >> >> I see Moss now lists Sunbeam Tiger and Alpine parts. >> >> >> >> Ron Fraser >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com From jim at island.net Sun Jan 28 12:07:10 2024 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 11:07:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a3101da521d$32899ea0$979cdbe0$@island.net> If you still have the chrome valve covers, the number on it should be the same as on the VIN ... There is a trans number on a plate held by one rivet on the front right side of the trans. Theres a number stamped on the bottom rib of the diff ( you might have to clean it up to see it as it might be faint ) All these numbers can be verified as matching ( ort not ) your car -----Original Message----- From: Tigers On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2024 3:15 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4 Got a question. I never bothered or cared too much about this but exactly where do I look on my ?67 MK-II to see if it?s a matching numbers car? I?d guess it?s not but after watching Barrett-Jackson this afternoon they sure talk about it a lot and got me kinda curious. I think the motor number is on the front / bottom drivers side. Does this mean the motor and transmission have the exact same number? Jeff Eakin CATO > On Jan 24, 2024, at 1:07?PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > ?Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Moss and Sunbeam parts (Ron Fraser) > 2. Re: Moss and Sunbeam parts (michael king) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:50:59 -0500 > From: "Ron Fraser" > To: > Subject: [Tigers] Moss and Sunbeam parts > Message-ID: <000d01da4edd$2173ff40$645bfdc0$@bluefrog.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I see Moss now lists Sunbeam Tiger and Alpine parts. > > > > Ron Fraser > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 00:01:12 +0800 > From: michael king > To: Ron Fraser > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Moss and Sunbeam parts > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > They bought all the parts VB had before they got out of the Sunbeam > supply business. > > ______________ > Regards > > Michael King > >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 11:59?pm Ron Fraser, wrote: >> >> I see Moss now lists Sunbeam Tiger and Alpine parts. >> >> >> >> Ron Fraser >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net