From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Aug 4 12:52:14 2024 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:52:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] early Tiger clutch slave cylinder bracket Message-ID: <000001dae69f$6d9c2870$48d47950$@bluefrog.com> Dan Case made a statement that the 1st 56 Tigers had the Cobra Clutch bracket. I want to confirm that one way or another. The Cobra bracket was cast for AC Cars LTD so it is very possible that the AF Tigers have the Cobra bracket. Tiger engine groups involved would be the T15KL and E7KL. Many of these engines have been lost to time but I would think the clutch bracket would get transferred with any new engine. There are differences between the Cobra and Tiger brackets, the Cobra bracket has thicker webs. Asking anyone with an AF or early Tiger if they have a picture of their clutch bracket to share. Ron Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have Fun, Joe Brown On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 2:45?PM James Armstrong via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Hello, > > Can someone point me towards an article that covers how one can be assured > that a rim (or rims) are Tiger specific? > > I have four that I'm bringing to the New Hampshire United next week. > > I know they came off a Tiger (and which one) but I want to make sure the > prospective purchaser is assured of > their authenticity. > > Best regards to all, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 LRXFE > Code 86 > TAC # 0763 > 617-834-6778 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Jim Armstrong Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2024, at 4:19?PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > ? > Jim > > Steel wheels have a year stamped on them > Reinforced wheels have an extra hit by the lug nut hole > There is also an X pattern stamped into them > This 1964 wheel has the part number stamped into it > > Ron Fraser > > From: Tigers On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2024 3:29 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] ID'ing Tiger rims > > Hello, > > Can someone point me towards an article that covers how one can be assured that a rim (or rims) are Tiger specific? > > I have four that I'm bringing to the New Hampshire United next week. > > I know they came off a Tiger (and which one) but I want to make sure the prospective purchaser is assured of > their authenticity. > > Best regards to all, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 LRXFE > Code 86 > TAC # 0763 > 617-834-6778 > <100_5162.jpg> > <100_5161 1.jpg> > <100_5167.jpg> > <100_5593.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The fronts are painted "foam grey" a sort cold off white, with overspray going through the holes onto the rear. On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 at 09:51, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Thanks so much, Dr. Ron. That was exactly the information that I needed. > Hope to see you in New Hamster later this month. > Best regards, > > Jim Armstrong > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 7, 2024, at 4:19?PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > ? > > Jim > > > > Steel wheels have a year stamped on them > > Reinforced wheels have an extra hit by the lug nut hole > > There is also an X pattern stamped into them > > This 1964 wheel has the part number stamped into it > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *James > Armstrong via Tigers > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 07, 2024 3:29 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] ID'ing Tiger rims > > > > Hello, > > > > Can someone point me towards an article that covers how one can be assured > that a rim (or rims) are Tiger specific? > > > > I have four that I'm bringing to the New Hampshire United next week. > > > > I know they came off a Tiger (and which one) but I want to make sure the > prospective purchaser is assured of > > their authenticity. > > > > Best regards to all, > > > > Jim Armstrong > > Mk 1A > > 382002083 LRXFE > > Code 86 > > TAC # 0763 > > 617-834-6778 > <100_5162.jpg> > <100_5161 1.jpg> > <100_5167.jpg> > <100_5593.jpg> > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't find this distributor model referenced at any of the common sources for ford parts from the proper era, though many have one or more vacuum advance units that appear similar to the one I have. Does anyone have a clue what might be equivalent? Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Aug 12 20:21:46 2024 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 22:21:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Vacuum Advance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801daed27$8dac7cd0$a9057670$@bluefrog.com> Stu You are looking at the casting # of the distributor body. The distributor ID # is stamped into an embossed area by the back clip for the cap. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 9:33 PM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Vacuum Advance Mine had died. Again. After only 20 or more years... Anyway, the number on my distributor body is C50F-12131-A. 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URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 13 17:42:23 2024 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 19:42:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301daedda$735143d0$59f3cb70$@bluefrog.com> Stu I?m not sure why Ford made the ID # of these distributors Z5TF-C unless it was to make sure they did not go to the Ford production line. The Z5TF-C has nearly the same advance curve as C4OF-A. Z5TF-C - Ford equivalent is C5JT-C C5AF-M is the MK II distributor The vacuum canister for all these distributors is similar but not the exact same. The early canister B9AF-12379-A has threaded boss. The later canister C5AZ-12370-A - later style with no threads ? threaded boss is on distributor housing. You need the later style canister. Use C5AF-M for the ID#. I believe most or all the vacuum canisters available today are the later style and many of them have an internal screw to change the vacuum advance. All of these use a vacuum hose not the original steel hardline. For concours, there are some shops that rebuild the original vacuum canister. Ron Fraser From: Stu Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 6:10 PM To: Tiger Net ; rfraser at bluefrog.com Subject: Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 Ron directed me to the right part number location, and the number there is Z5TF-12127 C.This number also doesn't appear at any of the usual parts sources. An article on the CAT forum confirms that this is the correct Tiger distributor, and there is mention of it on a few other sites. But is Z5TF equivalent to any other Cxxx distributor numbers, at least for vacuum advance modules? Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 07:22:07 2024 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 06:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT Message-ID: Watching the Tiger on BAT? The owner says it had a brass tag on the fuel line from new and he and his dad have never known what it was. Anyone know? [image: image.png] https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-sunbeam-tiger-50-2/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 28536 bytes Desc: not available URL: From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Aug 16 07:52:43 2024 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 06:52:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006301daefe3$93452d90$b9cf88b0$@mayfco.com> I don?t know about the tag on the fuel line, but the date the car is advertised as a 1966 does not go with the vin number. The B382 is for a Mk 1A is it not? Rivets look OEM also. My 1966 (registered in Ventura CA in 1966 as it was sold new and the vin on it is B9471136 and I am the second owner having purchased it used in Santa Maria, Ca in Jan 1967 second hand (yeah, have owned my car since then never changed hands and has always been registered). This car also has the long shifter as well which I think does go with vin number, But somebody smarter than me could check that out. . Interesting that a small brass tag can generate some curiosity, eh? Drmayf aka Lawrence From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Friday, August 16, 2024 6:22 AM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT Watching the Tiger on BAT? The owner says it had a brass tag on the fuel line from new and he and his dad have never known what it was. Anyone know? https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-sunbeam-tiger-50-2/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Drmayf Yes the vin tag is near the end of the MK 1A Tigers build. I have been told that back in the day Tigers had registration dates according to year they were 1st register in the states not by the year the Tiger was built. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, August 16, 2024 9:53 AM To: 'Jay Laifman' ; 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT I don?t know about the tag on the fuel line, but the date the car is advertised as a 1966 does not go with the vin number. The B382 is for a Mk 1A is it not? Rivets look OEM also. My 1966 (registered in Ventura CA in 1966 as it was sold new and the vin on it is B9471136 and I am the second owner having purchased it used in Santa Maria, Ca in Jan 1967 second hand (yeah, have owned my car since then never changed hands and has always been registered). This car also has the long shifter as well which I think does go with vin number, But somebody smarter than me could check that out. . 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Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, August 16, 2024 9:53 AM To: 'Jay Laifman' >; 'Tiger's Den' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT I don?t know about the tag on the fuel line, but the date the car is advertised as a 1966 does not go with the vin number. The B382 is for a Mk 1A is it not? Rivets look OEM also. My 1966 (registered in Ventura CA in 1966 as it was sold new and the vin on it is B9471136 and I am the second owner having purchased it used in Santa Maria, Ca in Jan 1967 second hand (yeah, have owned my car since then never changed hands and has always been registered). This car also has the long shifter as well which I think does go with vin number, But somebody smarter than me could check that out. . Interesting that a small brass tag can generate some curiosity, eh? Drmayf aka Lawrence From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Laifman Sent: Friday, August 16, 2024 6:22 AM To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT Watching the Tiger on BAT? The owner says it had a brass tag on the fuel line from new and he and his dad have never known what it was. Anyone know? https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-sunbeam-tiger-50-2/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 435996 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been told that back in the day Tigers had registration dates according to year they were 1st register in the states not by the year the Tiger was built. ? Ron Fraser ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, August 16, 2024 9:53 AM To: 'Jay Laifman' ; 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT ? I don?t know about the tag on the fuel line, but the date the car is advertised as a 1966 does not go with the vin number.? The B382 is? for a Mk 1A is it not? Rivets look OEM also. ?My 1966 (registered in Ventura CA in 1966 as it was sold new and the vin on it is B9471136 and I am the second owner having purchased it used in Santa Maria, Ca in Jan 1967 second hand (yeah, have owned my car since then never changed hands and has always been registered). ?This car also has the long shifter as well which I think does go with vin number, But somebody smarter than me could check that out. . ? Interesting that a small brass tag can generate some curiosity, eh? ? 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In my case this was clearly an error because the MKII, introduced in '67, was not the same car as was produced in '66. Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.com On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 1:56?PM D or G at sbc via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Yes, the Calif. DMV did, or still does, go by the registration date. Have > a 1942 Jeep that stated it was 1950. > > David Franchi > > > On Friday, August 16, 2024 at 08:48:43 AM PDT, Ron Fraser < > rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: > > > 1st ? no idea on the brass tag ? one would think it should have something > stamped on it. > > > > Drmayf > > Yes the vin tag is near the end of the MK 1A Tigers build. > > > > I have been told that back in the day Tigers had registration dates > according to year they were 1st register in the states not by the year > the Tiger was built. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Larry > Mayfield > *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2024 9:53 AM > *To:* 'Jay Laifman' ; 'Tiger's Den' < > tigers at autox.team.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT > > > > I don?t know about the tag on the fuel line, but the date the car is > advertised as a 1966 does not go with the vin number. The B382 is for a > Mk 1A is it not? Rivets look OEM also. My 1966 (registered in Ventura CA > in 1966 as it was sold new and the vin on it is B9471136 and I am the > second owner having purchased it used in Santa Maria, Ca in Jan 1967 second > hand (yeah, have owned my car since then never changed hands and has always > been registered). This car also has the long shifter as well which I think > does go with vin number, But somebody smarter than me could check that out. > . > > > > Interesting that a small brass tag can generate some curiosity, eh? > > > > Drmayf aka Lawrence > > > > > > *From:* Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > ] *On Behalf Of *Jay Laifman > *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2024 6:22 AM > *To:* Tiger's Den > *Subject:* [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT > > > > Watching the Tiger on BAT? The owner says it had a brass tag on the fuel > line from new and he and his dad have never known what it was. Anyone know? > > > > [image: image.png] > > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-sunbeam-tiger-50-2/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers at embarqmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately for me that was a time period where 1966 and up cars had to be smogged. It must have been the oldest looking (looked like a '46 Ford) car ever to do a smog test. Lastly for whatever reason when the previous owner of my Tiger brought it from New Mexico to California it was registered under its JAL number. And not wanting to open a can of worms it remains so. On 8/16/2024 10:56 AM, D or G at sbc via Tigers wrote: > Yes, the Calif. DMV did, or still does, go by the registration date. > Have a 1942 Jeep that stated it was 1950. > > David Franchi > > > On Friday, August 16, 2024 at 08:48:43 AM PDT, Ron Fraser > wrote: > > > 1^st ? no idea on the brass tag ? one would think it should have > something stamped on it. > > Drmayf > > Yes the vin tag is near the end of the MK 1A Tigers build. > > I have been told that back in the day Tigers had registration dates > according to year they were 1^st register in the states not by the > year the Tiger was built. > > Ron Fraser > > *From:*Tigers *On Behalf Of *Larry > Mayfield > *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2024 9:53 AM > *To:* 'Jay Laifman' ; 'Tiger's Den' > > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT > > I don?t know about the tag on the fuel line, but the date the car is > advertised as a 1966 does not go with the vin number.? The B382 is? > for a Mk 1A is it not? Rivets look OEM also. ?My 1966 (registered in > Ventura CA in 1966 as it was sold new and the vin on it is B9471136 > and I am the second owner having purchased it used in Santa Maria, Ca > in Jan 1967 second hand (yeah, have owned my car since then never > changed hands and has always been registered). ?This car also has the > long shifter as well which I think does go with vin number, But > somebody smarter than me could check that out. . > > Interesting that a small brass tag can generate some curiosity, eh? > > Drmayf aka Lawrence > > *From:*Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > ] *On Behalf Of *Jay Laifman > *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2024 6:22 AM > *To:* Tiger's Den > *Subject:* [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT > > Watching the Tiger on BAT?? The owner says it had a brass tag on the > fuel line from new and he and his dad have never known what it was.? > Anyone know? > > image.png > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-sunbeam-tiger-50-2/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 14:11:02 2024 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:11:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT In-Reply-To: References: <006301daefe3$93452d90$b9cf88b0$@mayfco.com> <000f01daeff2$e416e240$ac44a6c0$@bluefrog.com> <1356150050.4591348.1723830990245@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another data point: According to TBON, my Tiger was assembled in the late summer of '66. It was first sold in NY in Feb of '67, so it has always been registered as a '67. Stu On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 4:06?PM Will Seay via Tigers wrote: > My MK1A is registered in VA as 1966/67. This characterization probably > came from the dealer. It was common back then to give a foreign car the > benefit of the doubt when registering, assuming that the same car model > would be produced the next year. In my case this was clearly an error > because the MKII, introduced in '67, was not the same car as was produced > in '66. > > Will - 382001570 > Tigers at embarqmail.com > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 1:56?PM D or G at sbc via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Yes, the Calif. DMV did, or still does, go by the registration date. Have >> a 1942 Jeep that stated it was 1950. >> >> David Franchi >> >> >> On Friday, August 16, 2024 at 08:48:43 AM PDT, Ron Fraser < >> rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: >> >> >> 1st ? no idea on the brass tag ? one would think it should have >> something stamped on it. >> >> >> >> Drmayf >> >> Yes the vin tag is near the end of the MK 1A Tigers build. >> >> >> >> I have been told that back in the day Tigers had registration dates >> according to year they were 1st register in the states not by the year >> the Tiger was built. >> >> >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Larry >> Mayfield >> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2024 9:53 AM >> *To:* 'Jay Laifman' ; 'Tiger's Den' < >> tigers at autox.team.net> >> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT >> >> >> >> I don?t know about the tag on the fuel line, but the date the car is >> advertised as a 1966 does not go with the vin number. The B382 is for a >> Mk 1A is it not? Rivets look OEM also. My 1966 (registered in Ventura CA >> in 1966 as it was sold new and the vin on it is B9471136 and I am the >> second owner having purchased it used in Santa Maria, Ca in Jan 1967 second >> hand (yeah, have owned my car since then never changed hands and has always >> been registered). This car also has the long shifter as well which I think >> does go with vin number, But somebody smarter than me could check that out. >> . >> >> >> >> Interesting that a small brass tag can generate some curiosity, eh? >> >> >> >> Drmayf aka Lawrence >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> ] *On Behalf Of *Jay Laifman >> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2024 6:22 AM >> *To:* Tiger's Den >> *Subject:* [Tigers] Tag on Tiger on BAT >> >> >> >> Watching the Tiger on BAT? The owner says it had a brass tag on the fuel >> line from new and he and his dad have never known what it was. Anyone know? >> >> >> >> [image: image.png] >> >> >> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-sunbeam-tiger-50-2/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers at embarqmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 (D or G at sbc) > 2. Re: Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 (Ron Fraser) > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > That Z5TF is the Ford engineering number, not the part number. It is Tiger specific but not the part number, the part number (if you were able to order it) is C4OE-12127-A. The advance is B9AF-12370-A and is used on many Ford engines. This B9AF-12370-A part has been obsolete for a while, it was superseded by a vacuum advance that has the vacuum hose connection built into it, this advance is still available and will work, but it isn't concours correct. > > David Franchi > > > > > On Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 03:18:15 PM PDT, Stu wrote: > > > Ron directed me to the right part number location, and the number there is Z5TF-12127 C.This number also doesn't appear at any of the usual parts sources. > An article on the CAT forum confirms that this is the correct Tiger distributor, and there is mention of it on a few other sites. > > But is Z5TF equivalent to any other Cxxx distributor numbers, at least for vacuum advance modules? > > Stu > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net > > > Stu > > > > I?m not sure why Ford made the ID # of these distributors Z5TF-C unless it was to make sure they did not go to the Ford production line. > > > > The Z5TF-C has nearly the same advance curve as C4OF-A. > > Z5TF-C - Ford equivalent is C5JT-C > > C5AF-M is the MK II distributor > > > > The vacuum canister for all these distributors is similar but not the exact same. > > > > The early canister B9AF-12379-A has threaded boss. > > The later canister C5AZ-12370-A - later style with no threads ? threaded boss is on distributor housing. > > > > You need the later style canister.? Use C5AF-M for the ID#. > > > > I believe most or all the vacuum canisters available today are the later style and many of them have an internal screw to change the vacuum advance.?? All of these use a vacuum hose not the original steel hardline. > > > > For concours, there are some shops that rebuild the original vacuum canister. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > From: Stu > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 6:10 PM > To: Tiger Net ; rfraser at bluefrog.com > Subject: Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 > > > > Ron directed me to the right part number location, and the number there is Z5TF-12127 C.This number also doesn't appear at any of the usual parts sources. > > An article on the CAT forum confirms that this is the correct Tiger distributor, and there is mention of it on a few other sites. > > > > But is Z5TF equivalent to any other Cxxx distributor numbers, at least for vacuum advance modules? > > > > Stu From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 25 10:19:04 2024 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 16:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 In-Reply-To: <905355987.883480.1724585942657@connect.xfinity.com> References: <905355987.883480.1724585942657@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <724282690.6343905.1724602744036@mail.yahoo.com> Good price, but that is for a 6 cyl. David Franchi On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 04:45:46 AM PDT, STEVE MURPHY via Tigers wrote: May be of use to someone. https://www.ebay.com/itm/183534722695?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=nLfobrrwTwy&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=2edIDDLoQLa&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > On 08/14/2024 2:00 PM EDT tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote: > >? > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > ??? tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > Today's Topics: > >? ? 1. Re: Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 (D or G at sbc) >? ? 2. Re: Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 (Ron Fraser) > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > That Z5TF is the Ford engineering number, not the part number. It is Tiger specific but not the part number, the part number (if you were able to order it) is C4OE-12127-A. The advance is B9AF-12370-A and is used on many Ford engines. This B9AF-12370-A part has been obsolete for a while, it was superseded by a vacuum advance that has the vacuum hose connection built into it, this advance is still available and will work, but it isn't concours correct. > > David Franchi > > > > > On Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 03:18:15 PM PDT, Stu wrote: > > > Ron directed me to the right part number location, and the number there is Z5TF-12127 C.This number also doesn't appear at any of the usual parts sources. > An article on the CAT forum confirms that this is the correct Tiger distributor, and there is mention of it on a few other sites. > > But is Z5TF equivalent to any other Cxxx distributor numbers, at least for vacuum advance modules? > > Stu > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net > > > Stu > >? > > I?m not sure why Ford made the ID # of these distributors Z5TF-C unless it was to make sure they did not go to the Ford production line. > >? > > The Z5TF-C has nearly the same advance curve as C4OF-A. > > Z5TF-C - Ford equivalent is C5JT-C > > C5AF-M is the MK II distributor > >? > > The vacuum canister for all these distributors is similar but not the exact same. > >? > > The early canister B9AF-12379-A has threaded boss. > > The later canister C5AZ-12370-A - later style with no threads ? threaded boss is on distributor housing. > >? > > You need the later style canister.? Use C5AF-M for the ID#. > >? > > I believe most or all the vacuum canisters available today are the later style and many of them have an internal screw to change the vacuum advance.?? All of these use a vacuum hose not the original steel hardline. > >? > > For concours, there are some shops that rebuild the original vacuum canister. > >? > > Ron Fraser > >? > > From: Stu > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 6:10 PM > To: Tiger Net ; rfraser at bluefrog.com > Subject: Distributor Vacuum advance Round 2 > >? > > Ron directed me to the right part number location, and the number there is Z5TF-12127 C.This number also doesn't appear at any of the usual parts sources. > > An article on the CAT forum confirms that this is the correct Tiger distributor, and there is mention of it on a few other sites. > >? > > But is Z5TF equivalent to any other Cxxx distributor numbers, at least for vacuum advance modules? > >? > > Stu _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, when I took a light under the car a second identifier of the curved over "vee" rails were quite obvious as it can be seen before the slave cylinder gets in the way. Score one for the naked eye over modern technology in this case. I could not definitively discern this even when zooming in on the phone image. On 8/29/2024 6:32 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: > > *Score card?????????? Cobra vs Rootes* > > Cobra ? 1 in the T15KL engine group > > Rootes ? 2 in the E7KL engine group > > I encourage anyone with an early Tiger, production or competition, to > check your clutch bracket. > > If you don?t think you have the original engine, the clutch bracket > most likely stayed with the new engine. > > Show me what you have and let?s run up the score. > > Here is another picture from Dan Case showing differences between the > 2 brackets ? also note the casting # between the ribs of the Cobra part. > > Ron Fraser > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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E7KL engine group is the 2nd Ford engine group with 50 or 54 engines ? there are a couple of anomalies within this engine group. These 2 engine groups cover the 1st 56 production and AF Tigers built. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2024 2:59 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] clutch slave cylinder bracket B9470101 does NOT have the original engine (presently 5 bolt 289). The bracket IS the original Tiger design. I encourage others to participate in Ron's engine data gathering endeavors. That said, actually seeing the bracket is difficult. My Tiger is (has been) on jackstands. I attempted to use my phone to take an image. Unfortunately the confines are tight and it wants to focus on the clutch fork. The best (my opinion) identifier being the radius of the upper "vee" webbing is obscured by the slave cylinder and adjustment rod. However, when I took a light under the car a second identifier of the curved over "vee" rails were quite obvious as it can be seen before the slave cylinder gets in the way. Score one for the naked eye over modern technology in this case. I could not definitively discern this even when zooming in on the phone image. On 8/29/2024 6:32 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: Score card Cobra vs Rootes Cobra ? 1 in the T15KL engine group Rootes ? 2 in the E7KL engine group I encourage anyone with an early Tiger, production or competition, to check your clutch bracket. If you don?t think you have the original engine, the clutch bracket most likely stayed with the new engine. Show me what you have and let?s run up the score. Here is another picture from Dan Case showing differences between the 2 brackets ? also note the casting # between the ribs of the Cobra part. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 941409 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 07:56:41 2024 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 09:56:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging Message-ID: Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc. But now there's another issue. The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle. Accelerating, driving both seem fine. But when it goes back to idle, waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops. It restarts right away, then does it again. At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive. Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up. Anybody seen this before or... cured it? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEsp57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=s9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&dl=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Aug 31 09:38:04 2024 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 11:38:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501dafbbb$c6e69fb0$54b3df10$@bluefrog.com> Stu Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely. You may have to do standard checks on all systems ? air, fuel and spark Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets Check to make sure fuel filter is OK Check for vacuum leaks My 1st thought ? the fuel level is high Check the float level and check for any debris in the float bowl Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. Hope this helps Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc. But now there's another issue. The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle. Accelerating, driving both seem fine. But when it goes back to idle, waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops. It restarts right away, then does it again. At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive. Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up. Anybody seen this before or... cured it? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEsp57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=s9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt &dl=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertdhogan at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 13:18:02 2024 From: robertdhogan at gmail.com (Rob Hogan) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 15:18:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging In-Reply-To: <000501dafbbb$c6e69fb0$54b3df10$@bluefrog.com> References: <000501dafbbb$c6e69fb0$54b3df10$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low float setting? On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45?AM Ron Fraser wrote: > Stu > > > > Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely. > > > > You may have to do standard checks on all systems ? air, fuel and spark > > Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets > > Check to make sure fuel filter is OK > > Check for vacuum leaks > > > > My 1st thought ? the fuel level is high > > Check the float level and check for any debris in the float bowl > > > > Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. > > > > Hope this helps > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Stu > *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM > *To:* Tiger Net > *Subject:* [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging > > > > Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc. But now > there's another issue. > > > > The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge > coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle. > Accelerating, driving both seem fine. But when it goes back to idle, > waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, > which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops. It restarts > right away, then does it again. At a stoplight I have to left foot brake > so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive. > > > > Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming > up. Anybody seen this before or... cured it? > > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEsp57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=s9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&dl=0 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Aug 31 13:42:00 2024 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 15:42:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging In-Reply-To: References: <000501dafbbb$c6e69fb0$54b3df10$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <001301dafbdd$da84c750$8f8e55f0$@bluefrog.com> I think a low float condition would not let it drive fine. Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a process of elimination. Systems need to be checked ? air, fuel and spark ? loose wire connection, vacuum Ron Fraser From: Rob Hogan Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 3:18 PM To: Ron Fraser Cc: Stu ; Tiger Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low float setting? On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45?AM Ron Fraser > wrote: Stu Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely. You may have to do standard checks on all systems ? air, fuel and spark Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets Check to make sure fuel filter is OK Check for vacuum leaks My 1st thought ? the fuel level is high Check the float level and check for any debris in the float bowl Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. Hope this helps Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM To: Tiger Net > Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc. But now there's another issue. The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle. Accelerating, driving both seem fine. But when it goes back to idle, waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops. It restarts right away, then does it again. At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive. Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up. Anybody seen this before or... cured it? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEsp57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=s9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt &dl=0 _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coolvt at aol.com Sat Aug 31 14:42:01 2024 From: coolvt at aol.com (M Lafayette) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 20:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging In-Reply-To: <001301dafbdd$da84c750$8f8e55f0$@bluefrog.com> References: <000501dafbbb$c6e69fb0$54b3df10$@bluefrog.com> <001301dafbdd$da84c750$8f8e55f0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <243887782.1230113.1725136921118@mail.yahoo.com> I had the same symptoms years ago.? Leak in the vaccuum going to the PCV valve.? I'm betting that's the issue.? Or possibly a bad PCV valve, but I still think it's? a bad line going to the valve.? Mark L In a message dated 8/31/2024 3:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:? I think a low float condition would not let it drive fine. ? Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a process of elimination. ? Systems need to be checked ? air, fuel and spark ? loose wire connection, vacuum ? Ron Fraser ? ? ? From: Rob Hogan Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 3:18 PM To: Ron Fraser Cc: Stu ; Tiger Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging ? Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low float setting? ? On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45?AM Ron Fraser wrote: Stu ? Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely. ? You may have to do standard checks on all systems ? air, fuel and spark Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets Check to make sure fuel filter is OK Check for vacuum leaks ? My 1st thought ? the fuel level is high Check the float level and check for any debris in the float bowl ? Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. ? Hope this helps Ron Fraser ? ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging ? Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc.? But now there's another issue. ? The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle.? Accelerating, driving both seem fine.? But when it goes back to idle, waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops.? It restarts right away, then does it again.? At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive.? ? ? Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up.? 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URL: From fast427 at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 31 15:39:53 2024 From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 21:39:53 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Surging idle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I missed the original message, but I thought I should offer a comment : If you have a Pertronix, you must provide 12 volts to the module; don?t connect it to your ballast resistor (or pink resistor wire). The Pertronix tech advised me years ago that their module does not perform reliably if the voltage is low. He said to bypass the ballast resistor. Again- don?t know if this is pertinent, but I hope it helps. Don A From: Tigers on behalf of Brent Edinger via Tigers Date: Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 5:35?PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Surging idle How is the ignition system supplied volage at idle? Maybe to low for any kind of electronic ignition system ?? Brent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 16:23:39 2024 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 18:23:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging In-Reply-To: <243887782.1230113.1725136921118@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000501dafbbb$c6e69fb0$54b3df10$@bluefrog.com> <001301dafbdd$da84c750$8f8e55f0$@bluefrog.com> <243887782.1230113.1725136921118@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I should have added this info at the start: Stock 260, original carb, original points type ignition. Things I've tried since my original message: Tightened the nuts on the carb mounting studs, and the screws that hold the top on, nothing was loose All the electrical connections seem tight, no corrosion. Let the car warm up again, and it started doing it a little. The old carb cleaner trick: I sprayed carb cleaner all over anything that might have a vacuum leak,carb base, hoses, and so on... nothing happened With the timing light connected, I watched the advance as a couple dips happened... no change, timing was right where I left it, and I could not detect any missing flashes during the dip. And, after a few minutes, it stopped doing it. So that's it for today. Tomorrow is busy, Monday I'll take it for a drive and see if it's any different, or if any more clues appear. On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 4:54?PM M Lafayette via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > I had the same symptoms years ago. Leak in the vaccuum going to the PCV > valve. I'm betting that's the issue. Or possibly a bad PCV valve, but I > still think it's a bad line going to the valve. > Mark L > > In a message dated 8/31/2024 3:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > > I think a low float condition would not let it drive fine. > > > > Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a process > of elimination. > > > > Systems need to be checked ? air, fuel and spark ? loose wire connection, > vacuum > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > > > *From:* Rob Hogan > *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2024 3:18 PM > *To:* Ron Fraser > *Cc:* Stu ; Tiger Net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging > > > > Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low float setting? > > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45?AM Ron Fraser wrote: > > Stu > > > > Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely. > > > > You may have to do standard checks on all systems ? air, fuel and spark > > Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets > > Check to make sure fuel filter is OK > > Check for vacuum leaks > > > > My 1st thought ? the fuel level is high > > Check the float level and check for any debris in the float bowl > > > > Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. > > > > Hope this helps > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Stu > *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM > *To:* Tiger Net > *Subject:* [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging > > > > Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc. But now > there's another issue. > > > > The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge > coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle. > Accelerating, driving both seem fine. But when it goes back to idle, > waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, > which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops. It restarts > right away, then does it again. At a stoplight I have to left foot brake > so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive. > > > > Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming > up. 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URL: From tym2 at comcast.net Sat Aug 31 16:39:34 2024 From: tym2 at comcast.net (Dr. T. Y. McDowell) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 18:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging In-Reply-To: References: <000501dafbbb$c6e69fb0$54b3df10$@bluefrog.com> <001301dafbdd$da84c750$8f8e55f0$@bluefrog.com> <243887782.1230113.1725136921118@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <342434648.69085.1725143974110@connect.xfinity.com> Stu, Hoping it works out. Keep us posted. When Tigering, there's always something! Tym McDowell > On 08/31/2024 6:23 PM EDT Stu wrote: > > > I should have added this info at the start: Stock 260, original carb, original points type ignition. > > Things I've tried since my original message: > > Tightened the nuts on the carb mounting studs, and the screws that hold the top on, nothing was loose > > All the electrical connections seem tight, no corrosion. > > Let the car warm up again, and it started doing it a little. > > The old carb cleaner trick: I sprayed carb cleaner all over anything that might have a vacuum leak,carb base, hoses, and so on... nothing happened > > With the timing light connected, I watched the advance as a couple dips happened... no change, timing was right where I left it, and I could not detect any missing flashes during the dip. > > And, after a few minutes, it stopped doing it. > > So that's it for today. Tomorrow is busy, Monday I'll take it for a drive and see if it's any different, or if any more clues appear. > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 4:54?PM M Lafayette via Tigers wrote: > > > I had the same symptoms years ago. Leak in the vaccuum going to the PCV valve. I'm betting that's the issue. Or possibly a bad PCV valve, but I still think it's a bad line going to the valve. > > Mark L > > > > In a message dated 8/31/2024 3:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > I think a low float condition would not let it drive fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many conditions can contribute to idle surging so it starts with a process of elimination. > > > > > > > > > > > > Systems need to be checked ? air, fuel and spark ? loose wire connection, vacuum > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Rob Hogan > > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 3:18 PM > > > To: Ron Fraser > > > Cc: Stu ; Tiger Net > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't idle surging typically from a carburetor low float setting? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45?AM Ron Fraser wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always difficult to troubleshoot remotely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may have to do standard checks on all systems ? air, fuel and spark > > > > > > > > Alcohol in the fuel can tear up hoses and gaskets > > > > > > > > Check to make sure fuel filter is OK > > > > > > > > Check for vacuum leaks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My 1st thought ? the fuel level is high > > > > > > > > Check the float level and check for any debris in the float bowl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remove the air filter and idle engine to see if it is an air flow problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Stu > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2024 9:57 AM > > > > To: Tiger Net > > > > Subject: [Tigers] The latest problem: Surging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so I got the vacuum advance sorted and reset the timing, etc. But now there's another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The car starts and warms up normally, choke opening, temperature gauge coming up to the thermostat temp, etc. But then it starts surging at idle. Accelerating, driving both seem fine. But when it goes back to idle, waiting at a stoplight or something, it starts having these little dips, which soon become larger dips, to the point where it stops. It restarts right away, then does it again. At a stoplight I have to left foot brake so that I can keep my foot on the throttle to keep it alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a video I shot in the garage as it started to do it after warming up. Anybody seen this before or... cured it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0613ys0iegdndjhnjt5a8/AIcza8ouXqEsp57qLWSlZOY?rlkey=s9h2q3sal042y9z3t5oav2uwt&dl=0 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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