[Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
Jay
jay.laifman at gmail.com
Tue Oct 4 18:00:49 MDT 2022
I was actually more interested in the hydrogen/fuel cell concept. We actually live near a filling station. I pulled in one day to chat with owners there to see how ownership really was. Wow, they were a sorry marketing team. Sure convinced me that it’s not a good way to go. The bad things you read online or watch on YouTube were what they all moaned about. Few stations. Broken and unreliable stations. Having to regularly use another car. But they were a hardy crowd who seemed to be in for the long haul - even if not with their car.
> On Oct 4, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:
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> (for non-EV-interested people, feel free to ignore)
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> I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a joint venture between Volvo and Geely (the chinese car maker that is behind a bunch of upcoming EV technology).
> The spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 hp and all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's heavier than a Tesla model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and it's actually delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-50P (250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug it in at any place that could also accommodate an RV.
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> A couple of weeks ago we drove it to Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph used up about 70 percent of the battery, and we did that in one shot. As it happened, the car dealer across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC charger. That's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most other public chargers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it for about an hour that afternoon while we were getting set up at the hotel, and again for about an hour the next morning while we were having breakfast. That put us back at about 75% battery.
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> When we started driving back to Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd be four percent short and suggested we put in a charging stop. We set off without doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range prediction got more gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided to hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee break) got us 30% more charge and we actually finished the trip with about 35% left in the battery. Our net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise do was maybe ten minutes max, since we normally already do make a stop halfway back for a coffee or whatever.
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> I think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point right now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from well established makers and some from people you've never heard of. For all of us that can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or carport, the cost of electricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. Depending on your transportation needs, you might never need a public charger for regular commuting.
> There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracking apps that will tell you where the public chargers are and whether they are currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not functional - the crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary issue is that a charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably not a huge deal if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip by half an hour) but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car there just to block the charger from being used.
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> Since this is kind of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to reply direct and not through the list if you think that's more appropriate.
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> Cheers,
> Theo
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> From: "michael king via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> To: "Gary" <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>
> Cc: "David Sosna" <sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com <mailto:sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com>>, "David Sosna via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:45:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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> Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning their products easier...
> As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes more generic other brands will come along.
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> The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting.
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> On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>> wrote:
> David,
> The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want. Not every pole but...
> They are all over at least out in CA. It can add 200 miles in only 20 minutes and they put them
> right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc. The big display on the dash tells you
> when you need a charge and directs you in. It gives options and it knows if there will be any
> wait or anything. Pretty impressive. The future is here.
> Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Tesla...
> Gary
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> On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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> Hey, Ron:
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> I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.
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> I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt. Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. 😉
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> Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
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> There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. 😁
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> Best Regards
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> David Sosna
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> On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed. Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.
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> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can’t be without the latest electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
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> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035. My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now? My guess, few.
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> IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the consequences. The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I’m not interested. Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can’t use them, the range drops too far.
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> I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
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> EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including work. Some of those EV’s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
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> Ron Fraser
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> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> To: Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com> <mailto:jbsyv at yahoo.com>; Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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> This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't adapt
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> to modern technology.
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> Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't support
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> all of them.
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> Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one.
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> Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity. All
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> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great
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> transportation device!
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> 73,
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> Gary
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> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself. The
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> Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind
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> pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much
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> better.
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> On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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> Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that “some” people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife’s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I’ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.
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> With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid!
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> JMHO
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> Cheers
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> Jim B
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> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com <mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
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> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Just what every EV owner needs...
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> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>
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