From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat Oct  1 11:38:07 2022
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 13:38:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Pushrod Length stock 260
Message-ID: <0108CEC2-8697-46E4-8E03-FF1695D1CA72@cox.net>

Hello

I am building a completely stock 260 for my very early MkI (0033). I have been searching for and collecting correct ford parts which in many cases are correctly dated for an engine from the E7KL engine group.

I am in search of new 5/16 pushrods. My SBF engine rebuild book says the length is 6.825. In searching the top brands and major part suppliers I can find 6.850 and 6.804 but none 6.825. (I did see a no name brand in this size but it was back ordered months.)

Can I use either of these lengths? Which one? Any other sources I am missing.

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad

From mark44124 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 12:39:19 2022
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 14:39:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Pushrod Length stock 260
In-Reply-To: <0108CEC2-8697-46E4-8E03-FF1695D1CA72@cox.net>
References: <0108CEC2-8697-46E4-8E03-FF1695D1CA72@cox.net>
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The standard pushrod is C2OZ6565B which is 6.804? in length. These are
available from Rock Auto, eBay or other common parts dealers, Melling makes
them as well (MPR-279).

However I NEVER assemble an engine without measuring for true pushrod
length. Unless you know everything about the engine internals I would
strongly suggest you check it using a variable length pushrod tool

Bugz


On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 2:07 PM James Lindner via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I am building a completely stock 260 for my very early MkI (0033). I have
> been searching for and collecting correct ford parts which in many cases
> are correctly dated for an engine from the E7KL engine group.
>
> I am in search of new 5/16 pushrods. My SBF engine rebuild book says the
> length is 6.825. In searching the top brands and major part suppliers I can
> find 6.850 and 6.804 but none 6.825. (I did see a no name brand in this
> size but it was back ordered months.)
>
> Can I use either of these lengths? Which one? Any other sources I am
> missing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat Oct  1 14:02:54 2022
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 16:02:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Pushrod Length stock 260
In-Reply-To: <CA+8dKTuzDJUx0D+=xQeU5Zb=VFiwyFfSnB1G9aJ6okE7twi2mw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <48358AA3-C46E-4A14-8240-A999338B98A3@cox.net>

Mark

Thanks.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 1, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Mark Rense <mark44124 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The standard pushrod is C2OZ6565B which is 6.804? in length. These are available from Rock Auto, eBay or other common parts dealers, Melling makes them as well (MPR-279).
> 
> However I NEVER assemble an engine without measuring for true pushrod length. Unless you know everything about the engine internals I would strongly suggest you check it using a variable length pushrod tool
> 
> Bugz
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 2:07 PM James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Hello
>> 
>> I am building a completely stock 260 for my very early MkI (0033). I have been searching for and collecting correct ford parts which in many cases are correctly dated for an engine from the E7KL engine group.
>> 
>> I am in search of new 5/16 pushrods. My SBF engine rebuild book says the length is 6.825. In searching the top brands and major part suppliers I can find 6.850 and 6.804 but none 6.825. (I did see a no name brand in this size but it was back ordered months.)
>> 
>> Can I use either of these lengths? Which one? Any other sources I am missing.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct  1 14:15:02 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 16:15:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Pushrod Length stock 260
In-Reply-To: <CA+8dKTuzDJUx0D+=xQeU5Zb=VFiwyFfSnB1G9aJ6okE7twi2mw@mail.gmail.com>
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Mark

 

The Parts List indicates that C2OZ-6565-B is 6.825? and so does the Ford Master Parts Catalog.

 

I have a 289 push rod in front of me, same part #, it is 6.825?.

 

It?s a bit confusing.   Slight differences in length should be OK with the hydraulic lifter system.

I?m not the expert about these details so I don?t know what lengths are acceptable.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark Rense
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2022 2:39 PM
To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pushrod Length stock 260

 

The standard pushrod is C2OZ6565B which is 6.804? in length. These are available from Rock Auto, eBay or other common parts dealers, Melling makes them as well (MPR-279).

 

However I NEVER assemble an engine without measuring for true pushrod length. Unless you know everything about the engine internals I would strongly suggest you check it using a variable length pushrod tool

 

Bugz

 

 

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 2:07 PM James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Hello

I am building a completely stock 260 for my very early MkI (0033). I have been searching for and collecting correct ford parts which in many cases are correctly dated for an engine from the E7KL engine group.

I am in search of new 5/16 pushrods. My SBF engine rebuild book says the length is 6.825. In searching the top brands and major part suppliers I can find 6.850 and 6.804 but none 6.825. (I did see a no name brand in this size but it was back ordered months.)

Can I use either of these lengths? Which one? Any other sources I am missing.

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad
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From mark44124 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 17:14:14 2022
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 19:14:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Pushrod Length stock 260
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Ron,
I do not know where that number comes from. They were always 6.804? before
rail rockers (slot in heads) and went to 6.876? when the rail rockers were
introduced (round pushrod holes).

There are several aftermarket pushrods, I buy Melling MPR-279, they are the
direct replacement for the C2OZ-6565-B and listed as 6.804? length.

If forced, I will get off my fat arse and measure a few out in the shop.

Bugz



On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 4:15 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Mark
>
>
>
> The Parts List indicates that C2OZ-6565-B is 6.825? and so does the Ford
> Master Parts Catalog.
>
>
>
> I have a 289 push rod in front of me, same part #, it is 6.825?.
>
>
>
> It?s a bit confusing.   Slight differences in length should be OK with the
> hydraulic lifter system.
>
> I?m not the expert about these details so I don?t know what lengths are
> acceptable.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Mark Rense
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 01, 2022 2:39 PM
> *To:* James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
> *Cc:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Pushrod Length stock 260
>
>
>
> The standard pushrod is C2OZ6565B which is 6.804? in length. These are
> available from Rock Auto, eBay or other common parts dealers, Melling makes
> them as well (MPR-279).
>
>
>
> However I NEVER assemble an engine without measuring for true pushrod
> length. Unless you know everything about the engine internals I would
> strongly suggest you check it using a variable length pushrod tool
>
>
>
> Bugz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 2:07 PM James Lindner via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I am building a completely stock 260 for my very early MkI (0033). I have
> been searching for and collecting correct ford parts which in many cases
> are correctly dated for an engine from the E7KL engine group.
>
> I am in search of new 5/16 pushrods. My SBF engine rebuild book says the
> length is 6.825. In searching the top brands and major part suppliers I can
> find 6.850 and 6.804 but none 6.825. (I did see a no name brand in this
> size but it was back ordered months.)
>
> Can I use either of these lengths? Which one? Any other sources I am
> missing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
>
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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 19:26:30 2022
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 21:26:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
Message-ID: <CA+DpG65jpFcqPPTwPHPo5qP9yjsBJ4wgNcXaeNQQwLjGnrJ7HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just what every EV owner needs...

Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles
<https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Oct  2 20:23:22 2022
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 20:23:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 20:44:30 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 19:44:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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I heard a new Mustang go by that just sounded gutless and terrible. Yet I was laughing at the smiling guy driving it. I could only assume he was hearing a big block V8 inside!

> On Oct 2, 2022, at 7:36 PM, Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?
> If and when that becomes available for mine, I would want it to sound like George Jetson?s hovercar. Outside the car. 
> 
> Inside? The first thing I unplugged on my Focus RS was the fake engine noise generator. 
> 
> Theo
> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Just what every EV owner needs...
>> 
>> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles
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From coolvt at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 21:13:00 2022
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 03:13:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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RE? electric cars.? Do any of you California guys worry that Calif will eventually ban the use of gasoline cars in California?
Mark
In a message dated 10/2/2022 10:54:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?
?I heard a new Mustang go by that just sounded gutless and terrible. Yet I was laughing at the smiling guy driving it. I could only assume he was hearing a big block V8 inside!

On Oct 2, 2022, at 7:36 PM, Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:



?
??If and when that becomes available for mine, I would want it to sound like George Jetson?s hovercar. Outside the car.??Inside? The first thing I unplugged on my Focus RS was the fake engine noise generator.??Theo

On Oct 2, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:



Just what every?EV owner?needs...?Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 21:14:42 2022
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 23:14:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE
on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just what every EV owner needs...
>
> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles
> <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>
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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  2 23:00:50 2022
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 22:00:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. 
With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid! 
JMHO
Cheers
Jim B

> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
> 
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Just what every EV owner needs...
> 
> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Oct  3 06:17:51 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 08:17:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't adapt
to modern technology.
Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't support
all of them.
Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one.
Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.  All
our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great
transportation device!
73,
Gary
Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself.  The
Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind
pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much
better.

>     On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. 
>     With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid! 
>     JMHO
>     Cheers
>     Jim B
> 
> 
>         > >         On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com > wrote:
> > 
> >         Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
> > 
> >         On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             Just what every EV owner needs...
> > > 
> > >             Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 08:07:34 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 22:07:34 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
In-Reply-To: <3F74601B-E769-4EFA-BED3-3C622B62F9BA@island.net>
References: <CA+DpG66Sq+-RP2aTqSv00+c4NswYvJN5Z8auSRxDjrk3sYvS5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <3F74601B-E769-4EFA-BED3-3C622B62F9BA@island.net>
Message-ID: <CAET8snV46F4NeVJVP_+ZhovyE27W0HBvb7tXZVXrFm9hiPNAkw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats?
There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC
element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in
though.


On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside
> the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??
>
> Jim
> B382000446LRXFE
>
> Sent from my ShoePhone
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it
> fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.
>
> Stu
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be
>> at their nearest store tomorrow.
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Stu
>>>
>>> C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot
>>> (npdlink.com)
>>> <https://www.npdlink.com/product/gasket-carburetor-to-air-cleaner/107274>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Stu via
>>> Tigers
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
>>> *To:* Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that
>>> goes between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got
>>> to be standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stu Brennan
>>>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct  3 08:21:57 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:21:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
In-Reply-To: <479358520.1076093.1664799471750@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CA+DpG65jpFcqPPTwPHPo5qP9yjsBJ4wgNcXaeNQQwLjGnrJ7HQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.

 

I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.

 

Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?   My guess, few.

 

IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I?m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can?t use them, the range drops too far.   

 

I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.

 

EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of those EV?s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
To: Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com>; Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

 

This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't adapt 

to modern technology. 

Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't support 

all of them. 

Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one. 

Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.  All 

our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great 

transportation device! 

73, 

Gary 

Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself.  The 

Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind 

pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much 

better. 

On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.  

With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid!  

JMHO 

Cheers 

Jim B





On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com <mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV). 

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote: 

Just what every EV owner needs... 

 

Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>  

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct  3 08:35:28 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:35:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snV46F4NeVJVP_+ZhovyE27W0HBvb7tXZVXrFm9hiPNAkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+DpG66Sq+-RP2aTqSv00+c4NswYvJN5Z8auSRxDjrk3sYvS5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <3F74601B-E769-4EFA-BED3-3C622B62F9BA@island.net>
 <CAET8snV46F4NeVJVP_+ZhovyE27W0HBvb7tXZVXrFm9hiPNAkw@mail.gmail.com>
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Mike 

Here is a picture Jim sent

 

It would be nice to know the width, thickness and material used for that gasket.

 

I thought it was interesting that the air filter cantilevers on the 2 gaskets so more filter area is exposed for more CFM.

 

Ron Fraser 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Jim <jim at island.net>
Cc: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats? 

There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in though.


On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??

 

Jim 

B382000446LRXFE

Sent from my ShoePhone

 





On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be at their nearest store tomorrow.  

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Stu

C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket

 

GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot (npdlink.com) <https://www.npdlink.com/product/gasket-carburetor-to-air-cleaner/107274> 

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
To: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that goes between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got to be standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.

 

Thanks,

 

Stu Brennan

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From jim at island.net  Mon Oct  3 08:36:26 2022
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 07:36:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snV46F4NeVJVP_+ZhovyE27W0HBvb7tXZVXrFm9hiPNAkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+DpG66Sq+-RP2aTqSv00+c4NswYvJN5Z8auSRxDjrk3sYvS5g@mail.gmail.com>
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My gaskets were glued in but might have been done by a p.o.

 

 

 

From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 7:08 AM
To: Jim <jim at island.net>
Cc: Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com>; Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats? 

There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in though.


On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??

 

Jim 

B382000446LRXFE

Sent from my ShoePhone

 





On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be at their nearest store tomorrow.  

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Stu

C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket

 

GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot (npdlink.com) <https://www.npdlink.com/product/gasket-carburetor-to-air-cleaner/107274> 

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
To: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that goes between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got to be standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.

 

Thanks,

 

Stu Brennan

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 10:17:31 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 00:17:31 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
In-Reply-To: <002901d8d735$63a2ecd0$2ae8c670$@bluefrog.com>
References: <CA+DpG66Sq+-RP2aTqSv00+c4NswYvJN5Z8auSRxDjrk3sYvS5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Ron,

I thought the gaskets were there for a better seal to stop dust etc getting
past the accordion folds of the paper AC filters. Most modern filters (
like even 1970s) have a rubber gasket top and bottom to seal the filter to
the housing.



On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Mike
>
> Here is a picture Jim sent
>
>
>
> It would be nice to know the width, thickness and material used for that
> gasket.
>
>
>
> I thought it was interesting that the air filter cantilevers on the 2
> gaskets so more filter area is exposed for more CFM.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *michael king
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2022 10:08 AM
> *To:* Jim <jim at island.net>
> *Cc:* Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
>
>
>
> Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats?
>
> There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC
> element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in
> though.
>
>
> On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside
> the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> B382000446LRXFE
>
> Sent from my ShoePhone
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it
> fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be
> at their nearest store tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> Stu
>
> C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket
>
>
>
> GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot
> (npdlink.com)
> <https://www.npdlink.com/product/gasket-carburetor-to-air-cleaner/107274>
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Stu via
> Tigers
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
> *To:* Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that goes
> between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got to be
> standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Stu Brennan
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 00:20:08 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

>
> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol
> engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians
> own an EV now?   My guess, few.
>

Ron isnt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought Hybrids would be allowed
just banning pure fossil fuel new car sales?


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From wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com  Mon Oct  3 10:31:01 2022
From: wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com (wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 12:31:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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It?s probably too late to slam the lid on Pandora?s Box now. Once the concept is out, it?s out, and I?d be surprised if this was contained to EV use. Today?s Car Culture has devolved to include noise for it?s own sake, all out of proportion to the performance of the vehicle in question. Today?s Corolla-with-muffler-cut-off is tomorrow?s Corolla that sounds like a Top Fuel Dragster. Oh, and e-bikes that sound like Ducatis.

Lawrence Wright
wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
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> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 313
> Date: October 3, 2022 at 10:35:36 AM EDT
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Reply-To: tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> To: "'GARY WINBLAD'" <garywinblad at comcast.net>, "'Jim B'"
> 	<jbsyv at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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> 
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.
> 
> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.

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From sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 11:11:35 2022
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com (David Sosna)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:11:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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Hey, Ron:

I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is 
largely theoretical for me.

I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.? Seriously. Travelling 
between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip 
out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity 
provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a 
receipt.? Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper 
on each phone-pole charger is kept full. ?

Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric 
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; 
conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of 
phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.

There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing 
your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. ?

Best Regards

David Sosna


On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep 
> stated that there were several different engine sounds in the 
> controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.?? Alright, 
> a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.
>
> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the 
> latest electronic gismo.?? Borla will make a profit until the craze 
> evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
>
> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of 
> petrol engine by 2035.?? My 1^st question would be how many of those 
> politicians own an EV now??? My guess, few.
>
> IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the 
> consequences.?? The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are 
> not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for 
> prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 
> degrees F, I?m not interested.?? Regional Transit here has some EV 
> buses and if it get too cold they can?t use them, the range drops too 
> far.
>
> I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
>
> EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country 
> folks drive longer distances for everything including work.?? Some of 
> those EV?s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless 
> they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *GARY WINBLAD
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> *To:* Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com>; Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
>
> This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just 
> don't adapt
>
> to modern technology.
>
> Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the 
> power grid won't support
>
> all of them.
>
> Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry 
> about this one.
>
> Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged 
> electricity.? All
>
> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG 
> on trips, great
>
> transportation device!
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
>
> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could 
> build one myself.? The
>
> Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching 
> sounder to warm blind
>
> pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble 
> would be so much
>
> better.
>
>     On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as
>     stupid gets. I did?hear?somewhere that??some? people are worried
>     about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an
>     approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even
>     hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without
>     even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with
>     an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array?designed
>     to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2
>     charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that
>     car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California
>     guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone?before there
>     is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it
>     will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad
>     already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger
>     and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and
>     Sunday drives are the norm.
>
>     With all that said; I?kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I
>     can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could
>     be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I?clothes pinned?playing
>     cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid!
>
>     JMHO
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Jim B
>
>
>
>         On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver
>         <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a
>         Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
>
>         On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             Just what every?EV owner?needs...
>
>             Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles
>             <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>
>
>
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Oct  3 11:12:28 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:12:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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I am pretty sure hybrids have to go away too.
It?s why Toyota is finally trying to make an
electric.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2022, at 9:20 AM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
>> On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?   My guess, few.
>> 
> 
> Ron isnt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought Hybrids would be allowed just banning pure fossil fuel new car sales?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct  3 11:20:59 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 13:20:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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Michael 

                That is a good question.

The problem is there is no complete explanation and the way law makers are writing bills; they can?t seem to write them in plain English without loopholes or ambiguity.

 

Hybrids should be OK but they will probably get around to ban them in the future.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 12:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

 



On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

 

Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?   My guess, few.

 

Ron isnt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought Hybrids would be allowed just banning pure fossil fuel new car sales?



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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct  3 11:35:31 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 13:35:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
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I?m guessing the gaskets are about 3/8? wide.   This seals only the back 3/8? of the original paper air filter.

I believe the original filter is 1? wide.   The rest of the air filter is open to air flow.

See picture below from Work Shop Manual Section C ? pg. 27 ? diagram is clearer in the Manual.

 



 

Ron Fraser

 

From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 12:18 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Jim <jim at island.net>; Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Ron,

 

I thought the gaskets were there for a better seal to stop dust etc getting past the accordion folds of the paper AC filters. Most modern filters ( like even 1970s) have a rubber gasket top and bottom to seal the filter to the housing.

 

 

On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Mike 

Here is a picture Jim sent

 

It would be nice to know the width, thickness and material used for that gasket.

 

I thought it was interesting that the air filter cantilevers on the 2 gaskets so more filter area is exposed for more CFM.

 

Ron Fraser 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Cc: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats? 

There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in though.


On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??

 

Jim 

B382000446LRXFE

Sent from my ShoePhone

 

 

On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be at their nearest store tomorrow.  

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Stu

C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket

 

GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot (npdlink.com) <https://www.npdlink.com/product/gasket-carburetor-to-air-cleaner/107274> 

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
To: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that goes between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got to be standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.

 

Thanks,

 

Stu Brennan

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Oct  3 11:59:31 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:59:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
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It looks like someone just put in an o-ring.
The drawing in the shop manual looks like
a flat piece.  I can?t picture how an o-ring
could seal against the pleats!?
Gary 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2022, at 8:42 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Mike
> Here is a picture Jim sent
>  
> It would be nice to know the width, thickness and material used for that gasket.
>  
> I thought it was interesting that the air filter cantilevers on the 2 gaskets so more filter area is exposed for more CFM.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of michael king
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 10:08 AM
> To: Jim <jim at island.net>
> Cc: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
>  
> Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats? 
> There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in though.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??
>  
> Jim 
> B382000446LRXFE
> 
> Sent from my ShoePhone
>  
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.
>  
> Stu
>  
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be at their nearest store tomorrow.  
>  
> Stu
>  
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> Stu
> C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket
>  
> GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot (npdlink.com)
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
> To: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
>  
> Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that goes between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got to be standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Stu Brennan
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct  3 12:50:32 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:50:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
In-Reply-To: <378C71FA-0DA5-462F-9D88-283AF9448C16@comcast.net>
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Gary

 

The gaskets are flat ? I?m guessing 3/8? wide and 3/16? thick and you are correct an O-ring would not work.

 

I don?t think I have every personally seen these original gaskets.   I have seen the original paper filter.

 

It would be nice to have some additional information about the gaskets.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 2:00 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>; Jim <jim at island.net>; Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

It looks like someone just put in an o-ring.

The drawing in the shop manual looks like

a flat piece.  I can?t picture how an o-ring

could seal against the pleats!?

Gary 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 3, 2022, at 8:42 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Mike 

Here is a picture Jim sent

 

It would be nice to know the width, thickness and material used for that gasket.

 

I thought it was interesting that the air filter cantilevers on the 2 gaskets so more filter area is exposed for more CFM.

 

Ron Fraser 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Cc: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats? 

There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in though.


On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??

 

Jim 

B382000446LRXFE

Sent from my ShoePhone

 






On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be at their nearest store tomorrow.  

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Stu

C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket

 

GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot (npdlink.com) <https://www.npdlink.com/product/gasket-carburetor-to-air-cleaner/107274> 

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
To: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket

 

Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that goes between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got to be standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.

 

Thanks,

 

Stu Brennan

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Oct  3 14:13:18 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 13:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
In-Reply-To: <1609906766.3712495.1664766780105@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1513185104.39434732.1664763802538.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet>
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An interesting question. But, maybe the target audience for the question should be illegal aliens who entered California and the rest of the country surreptitiously.  How are They gonna get around to go to work, buy groceries, etc? 

 

larry

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of coolvt--- via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 8:13 PM
To: jay.laifman at gmail.com; tsmit at shaw.ca
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

 

RE  electric cars.  Do any of you California guys worry that Calif will eventually ban the use of gasoline cars in California?

Mark


In a message dated 10/2/2022 10:54:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>  writes: 

 

 

I heard a new Mustang go by that just sounded gutless and terrible. Yet I was laughing at the smiling guy driving it. I could only assume he was hearing a big block V8 inside!

 

On Oct 2, 2022, at 7:36 PM, Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca <mailto:tsmit at shaw.ca> > wrote:

 

 

 

If and when that becomes available for mine, I would want it to sound like George Jetson?s hovercar. Outside the car. 

 

Inside? The first thing I unplugged on my Focus RS was the fake engine noise generator. 

 

Theo

 

On Oct 2, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

Just what every EV owner needs...

 

Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/> 

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From coolvt at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 14:59:49 2022
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 20:59:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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Will the Governor's? gasoline powered jet be banned from use in 2035?

In a message dated 10/3/2022 4:15:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:?

Michael

??????????????? That is a good question.

The problem is there is no complete explanation and the way law makers are writing bills; they can?t seem to write them in plain English without loopholes or ambiguity.

?

Hybrids should be OK but they will probably get around to ban them in the future.

?

Ron Fraser

?

?

From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 12:20 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>; Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

?



On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


?

Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.?? My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now??? My guess, few.


?

Ron isnt the ban petrol ONLY powered? I thought Hybrids would be allowed just banning pure fossil fuel new car sales?



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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 15:52:05 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 16:52:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Cantrail Seal
Message-ID: <CAKb_wf=Pm+BR_+WkfppPoCYUKKAytGpS06_L4hdXEr5tiiiUaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Please look at this photo and let me know if I have the cantrail seal
installed in the correct orientation.

[image: cantrail seal.jpg]

Thanks,
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Oct  3 16:48:43 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
In-Reply-To: <004d01d8d74e$8a627980$9f276c80$@bluefrog.com>
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Ron,
Humm, not surprisingly I remembered wrong.  Though the drawing on the opposite side of
the cut looks like it is wider, or has a second wide permanent gasket?
Oh well, looks like the built in molded on gaskets were a real improvement.
Gary


>     On 10/03/2022 1:35 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     I?m guessing the gaskets are about 3/8? wide.   This seals only the back 3/8? of the original paper air filter.
> 
>     I believe the original filter is 1? wide.   The rest of the air filter is open to air flow.
> 
>     See picture below from Work Shop Manual Section C ? pg. 27 ? diagram is clearer in the Manual.
> 
> 
> 
>     Ron Fraser
> 
> 
>     From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
>     Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 12:18 PM
>     To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>     Cc: Jim <jim at island.net>; Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
> 
> 
>     Ron,
> 
> 
>     I thought the gaskets were there for a better seal to stop dust etc getting past the accordion folds of the paper AC filters. Most modern filters ( like even 1970s) have a rubber gasket top and bottom to seal the filter to the housing.
> 
> 
>      
> 
>     On Monday, 3 October 2022, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Mike
> > 
> >         Here is a picture Jim sent
> > 
> > 
> >         It would be nice to know the width, thickness and material used for that gasket.
> > 
> > 
> >         I thought it was interesting that the air filter cantilevers on the 2 gaskets so more filter area is exposed for more CFM.
> > 
> > 
> >         Ron Fraser
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > On Behalf Of michael king
> >         Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 10:08 AM
> >         To: Jim <jim at island.net mailto:jim at island.net >
> >         Cc: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net >
> >         Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
> > 
> > 
> >         Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats? 
> > 
> >         There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in though.
> > 
> > 
> >         On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Jim 
> > > 
> > >             B382000446LRXFE
> > > 
> > >             Sent from my ShoePhone
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.
> > > > 
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >                 Stu
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > 
> > > > >                     Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be at their nearest store tomorrow.  
> > > > > 
> > > > >                      
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Stu
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                         > > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         Stu
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot (npdlink.com) https://www.npdlink.com/product/gasket-carburetor-to-air-cleaner/107274
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         Ron Fraser
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers
> > > > > >                         Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
> > > > > >                         To: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net >
> > > > > >                         Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that goes between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got to be standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                          
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         Thanks,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                          
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         Stu Brennan
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                     > > > > > 
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> > 
> >         Michael King
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> >     > 
> 
> 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Oct  3 16:57:12 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:57:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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David,
The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.  Not every pole but...
They are all over at least out in CA.  It can add 200 miles in only 20 minutes and they put them
right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.  The big display on the dash tells you
when you need a charge and directs you in.  It gives options and it knows if there will be any
wait or anything.  Pretty impressive.  The future is here.
Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Tesla...
Gary


>     On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Hey, Ron:
> 
>     I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.
> 
>     I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously.  Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. ?
> 
>     Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
> 
>     There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. ?
> 
>     Best Regards
> 
>     David Sosna
> 
> 
>     On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.
> > 
> > 
> >         I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
> > 
> > 
> >         Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?   My guess, few.
> > 
> > 
> >         IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I?m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can?t use them, the range drops too far.   
> > 
> > 
> >         I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
> > 
> > 
> >         EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of those EV?s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
> > 
> > 
> >         Ron Fraser
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
> >         Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> >         To: Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com> mailto:jbsyv at yahoo.com ; Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> mailto:tigers at autox.team.net
> >         Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
> > 
> > 
> >         This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't adapt
> > 
> >         to modern technology.
> > 
> >         Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't support
> > 
> >         all of them.
> > 
> >         Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one.
> > 
> >         Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.  All
> > 
> >         our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great
> > 
> >         transportation device!
> > 
> >         73,
> > 
> >         Gary
> > 
> >         Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself.  The
> > 
> >         Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind
> > 
> >         pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much
> > 
> >         better.
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. 
> > > 
> > >             With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid! 
> > > 
> > >             JMHO
> > > 
> > >             Cheers
> > > 
> > >             Jim B
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > 
> > > > >                     Just what every EV owner needs...
> > > > > 
> > > > >                      
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/
> > > > > 
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From jim at island.net  Mon Oct  3 13:23:52 2022
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 12:23:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
Message-ID: <70DA458B-C5B4-4500-A801-80AFC34846AF@island.net>

?I?m pretty sure mine was black rubber around 1/8? high and 5/16? to 3/8? wide. It was stuck to the metal somehow but not the factory did it
Reg Barnsdale has it now?not sure if he?s on the ?list?

Jim
B382000446 LRXFE

Sent from my ShoePhone


> On Oct 3, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> ?
> Gary
>  
> The gaskets are flat ? I?m guessing 3/8? wide and 3/16? thick and you are correct an O-ring would not work.
>  
> I don?t think I have every personally seen these original gaskets.   I have seen the original paper filter.
>  
> It would be nice to have some additional information about the gaskets.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 2:00 PM
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Cc: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>; Jim <jim at island.net>; Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
>  
> It looks like someone just put in an o-ring.
> The drawing in the shop manual looks like
> a flat piece.  I can?t picture how an o-ring
> could seal against the pleats!?
> Gary 
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2022, at 8:42 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Mike
> Here is a picture Jim sent
>  
> It would be nice to know the width, thickness and material used for that gasket.
>  
> I thought it was interesting that the air filter cantilevers on the 2 gaskets so more filter area is exposed for more CFM.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of michael king
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 10:08 AM
> To: Jim <jim at island.net>
> Cc: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
>  
> Jim you mean a gasket in the recess where the air filter element seats? 
> There were originally flat oval gaskets in the recess that the paper AC element would sit into... I dont believe they should have been glued in though.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, 29 September 2022, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> On the air cleaner topic, my air cleaner had a flat gasket glued inside the housing on both top top and bottom halves. Assuming this is stock ??
>  
> Jim 
> B382000446LRXFE
> 
> Sent from my ShoePhone
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The local O'Reilly received the Fel-Pro 60032 gasket this morning and it fits perfectly.  Thanks for the help, guys.
>  
> Stu
>  
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, guys.  I ordered the Fel-Pro part from O'Reilly and it should be at their nearest store tomorrow.  
>  
> Stu
>  
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> Stu
> C3AZ-9654-B      Carb to air cleaner gasket
>  
> GASKET, CARBURETOR TO AIR CLEANER - #9654-2 - National Parts Depot (npdlink.com)
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:44 AM
> To: Tiger Net <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Gasket
>  
> Does anyone have a good part number/source for the 5 inch gasket that goes between the stock air cleaner and the stock 2 barrel carb?  It's got to be standard old Ford stuff, somewhere.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Stu Brennan
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 06:45:29 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 20:45:29 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning
their products easier...

As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem
to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes
more generic other brands will come along.

The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How
many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting.



On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

> David,
>  The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.  Not every
> pole but...
> They are all over at least out in CA.  It can add 200 miles in only 20
> minutes and they put them
> right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.  The big
> display on the dash tells you
> when you need a charge and directs you in.  It gives options and it knows
> if there will be any
> wait or anything.  Pretty impressive.  The future is here.
> Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a
> Tesla...
> Gary
>
> On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, Ron:
>
> I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is
> largely theoretical for me.
>
> I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously.  Travelling
> between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out
> my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity
> provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a
> receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on
> each phone-pole charger is kept full. ?
>
> Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric
> utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal;
> conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole
> chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
>
> There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing
> your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. ?
>
> Best Regards
>
> David Sosna
>
>
> On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated
> that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including
> Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari
> engine sound.
>
>
> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the latest
> electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or
> a government body says NO more please.
>
>
> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol
> engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians
> own an EV now?   My guess, few.
>
>
> IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the
> consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not
> ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time
> and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I?m
> not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too
> cold they can?t use them, the range drops too far.
>
>
> I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
>
>
> EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks
> drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of those EV?s
> are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging
> station on every telephone pole.
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>
> <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *GARY WINBLAD
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> *To:* Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com> <jbsyv at yahoo.com>; Jim B via Tigers
> <tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
>
>
> This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just
> don't adapt
>
> to modern technology.
>
> Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power
> grid won't support
>
> all of them.
>
> Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry
> about this one.
>
> Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged
> electricity.  All
>
> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on
> trips, great
>
> transportation device!
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
>
> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build
> one myself.  The
>
> Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching
> sounder to warm blind
>
> pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would
> be so much
>
> better.
>
> On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid
> gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or
> blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I
> can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic
> around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s
> compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar
> array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a
> level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that
> car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys,
> speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely
> no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very
> expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make
> a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running
> right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.
>
> With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see
> EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I
> have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my
> bicycle as a kid!
>
> JMHO
>
> Cheers
>
> Jim B
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE
> on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just what every EV owner needs...
>
>
>
> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles
> <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>
>
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 08:12:41 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 07:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Cantrail Seal
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Looks correct 
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Please look at this photo and let me know if I have the cantrail seal installed in the correct orientation.  
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 08:28:00 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 09:28:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Cantrail Seal
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Thanks Gary.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2022, 9:13 AM Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

> Looks correct
> Gary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Please look at this photo and let me know if I have the cantrail seal
> installed in the correct orientation.
> >
> >
> >
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From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 09:06:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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(for non-EV-interested people, feel free to ignore) 

I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a joint venture between Volvo and Geely (the chinese car maker that is behind a bunch of upcoming EV technology). 
The spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 hp and all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's heavier than a Tesla model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and it's actually delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-50P (250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug it in at any place that could also accommodate an RV. 

A couple of weeks ago we drove it to Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph used up about 70 percent of the battery, and we did that in one shot. As it happened, the car dealer across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC charger. That's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most other public chargers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it for about an hour that afternoon while we were getting set up at the hotel, and again for about an hour the next morning while we were having breakfast. That put us back at about 75% battery. 

When we started driving back to Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd be four percent short and suggested we put in a charging stop. We set off without doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range prediction got more gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided to hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee break) got us 30% more charge and we actually finished the trip with about 35% left in the battery. Our net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise do was maybe ten minutes max, since we normally already do make a stop halfway back for a coffee or whatever. 

I think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point right now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from well established makers and some from people you've never heard of. For all of us that can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or carport, the cost of electricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. Depending on your transportation needs, you might never need a public charger for regular commuting. 
There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracking apps that will tell you where the public chargers are and whether they are currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not functional - the crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary issue is that a charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably not a huge deal if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip by half an hour) but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car there just to block the charger from being used. 

Since this is kind of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to reply direct and not through the list if you think that's more appropriate. 

Cheers, 
Theo 


From: "michael king via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
To: "Gary" <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
Cc: "David Sosna" <sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com>, "David Sosna via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:45:29 AM 
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Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning their products easier... 
As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes more generic other brands will come along. 

The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting. 



On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD < [ mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net | garywinblad at comcast.net ] > wrote: 



David, 
The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want. Not every pole but... 
They are all over at least out in CA. It can add 200 miles in only 20 minutes and they put them 
right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc. The big display on the dash tells you 
when you need a charge and directs you in. It gives options and it knows if there will be any 
wait or anything. Pretty impressive. The future is here. 
Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Tesla... 
Gary 


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Hey, Ron: 

I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me. 

I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt. Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. ? 

Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now. 


There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. ? 

Best Regards 

David Sosna 


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I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed. Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound. 




I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the latest electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please. 




Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035. My 1 st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now? My guess, few. 




IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the consequences. The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I?m not interested. Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can?t use them, the range drops too far. 




I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country. 




EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including work. Some of those EV?s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole. 




Ron Fraser 







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This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't adapt 


to modern technology. 


Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't support 


all of them. 


Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one. 


Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity. All 


our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great 


transportation device! 


73, 


Gary 


Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself. The 


Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind 


pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much 


better. 

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Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. 


With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid! 


JMHO 


Cheers 


Jim B 





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Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV). 





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[ https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/ | Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles ] 


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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 11:50:19 -0400
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David

                Paper receipts are not Carbon Neutral, todays political key words and talking points.

You would need a smart phone with an app to use a telephone charging station.   I don?t think my flip phone is smart enough or it may just be me.

 

Gary mentioned the Tesla supercharger network.   They are concentrating on cities, as they should, that is where it is really needed.  

Out in the countryside its different.  It does not seem like anyone is even thinking about the kind of network needed for the country folks.

 

The local Transit Bus station here is not that impressed with Tesla charging stations for buses.    They had to hire extra people because the charging station would shut off at night before the charge was completed.   The extra workers have to shut the chargers off then on again to get the complete 8 hr. charge.

 

Fortunately there have only been a few EV vehicle fires, that we know about.   The fire start slow enough for the people to get out but you really can?t put out a lithium battery fire until it burns out.   This problem needs better solutions so it never happens.

 

I?m not against EV vehicles, I just think the politician are forcing them down our throats before the Technology is ready.

 

What happens to an EV when submerged in sea water?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 1:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
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Hey, Ron:

I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.

I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously.  Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. ?

Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.

There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. ?

Best Regards

David Sosna

 

On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:

I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.

 

I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.

 

Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?   My guess, few.

 

IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I?m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can?t use them, the range drops too far.   

 

I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.

 

EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of those EV?s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

 

This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't adapt 

to modern technology. 

Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't support 

all of them. 

Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one. 

Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.  All 

our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great 

transportation device! 

73, 

Gary 

Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself.  The 

Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind 

pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much 

better. 

On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.  

With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid!  

JMHO 

Cheers 

Jim B






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Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV). 

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote: 

Just what every EV owner needs... 

 

 <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles 

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Theo

Thank you for your driving experience with an EV; its good to see firsthand information.

I?m still curious about an EV?s driving range in the cold of winter.

 

Ron Fraser

 

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(for non-EV-interested people, feel free to ignore)

 

I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a joint venture between Volvo and Geely (the chinese car maker that is behind a bunch of upcoming EV technology).

The spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 hp and all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's heavier than a Tesla model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and it's actually delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-50P (250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug it in at any place that could also accommodate an RV.

 

A couple of weeks ago we drove it to  Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph used up about 70 percent of the battery, and we did that in one shot. As it happened, the car dealer across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC charger. That's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most other public chargers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it for about an hour that afternoon while we were getting set up at the hotel, and again for about an hour the next morning while we were having breakfast. That put us back at about 75% battery.

 

When we started driving back to Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd be four percent short and suggested we put in a charging stop. We set off without doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range prediction got more gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided to hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee break) got us 30% more charge and we actually finished the trip with about 35% left in the battery. Our net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise do was maybe ten minutes max, since we normally already do make a stop halfway back for a coffee or whatever.

 

I think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point right now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from well established makers and some from people you've never heard of. For all of us that can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or carport, the cost of electricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. Depending on your transportation needs, you might never need a public charger for regular commuting.

There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracking apps that will tell you where the public chargers are and whether they are currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not functional - the crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary issue is that a charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably not a huge deal if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip by half an hour) but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car there just to block the charger from being used.

 

Since this is kind of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to reply direct and not through the list if you think that's more appropriate.

 

Cheers,

Theo

 

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Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning their products easier...

As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes more generic other brands will come along.

 

The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting.

 

 


On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > wrote:

David, 

 The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.  Not every pole but... 

They are all over at least out in CA.  It can add 200 miles in only 20 minutes and they put them 

right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.  The big display on the dash tells you 

when you need a charge and directs you in.  It gives options and it knows if there will be any 

wait or anything.  Pretty impressive.  The future is here. 

Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Tesla... 

Gary 

 

On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey, Ron:

I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.

I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously.  Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. ?

Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.

There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. ?

Best Regards

David Sosna

 

On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote: 

I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.

 

I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.

 

Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?   My guess, few.

 

IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I?m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can?t use them, the range drops too far.   

 

I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.

 

EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of those EV?s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

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Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
To: Jim B  <mailto:jbsyv at yahoo.com> <jbsyv at yahoo.com>; Jim B via Tigers  <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...

 

This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't adapt

to modern technology.

Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't support

all of them.

Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one.

Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.  All

our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great

transportation device!

73,

Gary

Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself.  The

Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind

pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much

better.

On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

 

Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. 

With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid! 

JMHO

Cheers

Jim B

 

On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com <mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

Just what every EV owner needs... 

 

Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>  

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From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 16:26:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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My take.  Agree 100% that all cars are silent now except for their tires.  However, I think gas cars do make a little bit more noise when starting to pull away from a stop - like in a parking space.  So that EVs starting to move can be a surprise.

Toyota has been pushing lately that the 100% EV concept that California is pushing is not realistic and that hybrids will be around for a long time.  I agree.  We were going to get a Tesla, but now think we?ll probably get a plug in hybrid that has a 35+ mile range.  That will be basically 100% EV for us most months.

The other thing I don?t possibly fathom is how the vast majority of Los Angeles residents who live in the miles and miles of small apartments buildings will charge.  Those buildings don?t have parking spaces for all tenants.  Who is going to wire up those apartments?  



> On Oct 2, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. 
> With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid! 
> JMHO
> Cheers
> Jim B
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com <mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Just what every EV owner needs...
>> 
>> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>
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I was actually more interested in the hydrogen/fuel cell concept.  We actually live near a filling station.   I pulled in one day to chat with owners there to see how ownership really was.  Wow, they were a sorry marketing team.  Sure convinced me that it?s not a good way to go.  The bad things you read online or watch on YouTube were what they all moaned about.  Few stations.  Broken and unreliable stations.  Having to regularly use another car.  But they were a hardy crowd who seemed to be in for the long haul - even if not with their car.

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> (for non-EV-interested people, feel free to ignore)
> 
> I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a joint venture between Volvo and Geely (the chinese car maker that is behind a bunch of upcoming EV technology).
> The spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 hp and all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's heavier than a Tesla model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and it's actually delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-50P (250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug it in at any place that could also accommodate an RV.
> 
> A couple of weeks ago we drove it to  Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph used up about 70 percent of the battery, and we did that in one shot. As it happened, the car dealer across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC charger. That's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most other public chargers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it for about an hour that afternoon while we were getting set up at the hotel, and again for about an hour the next morning while we were having breakfast. That put us back at about 75% battery.
> 
> When we started driving back to Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd be four percent short and suggested we put in a charging stop. We set off without doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range prediction got more gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided to hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee break) got us 30% more charge and we actually finished the trip with about 35% left in the battery. Our net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise do was maybe ten minutes max, since we normally already do make a stop halfway back for a coffee or whatever.
> 
> I think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point right now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from well established makers and some from people you've never heard of. For all of us that can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or carport, the cost of electricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. Depending on your transportation needs, you might never need a public charger for regular commuting.
> There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracking apps that will tell you where the public chargers are and whether they are currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not functional - the crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary issue is that a charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably not a huge deal if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip by half an hour) but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car there just to block the charger from being used.
> 
> Since this is kind of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to reply direct and not through the list if you think that's more appropriate.
> 
> Cheers,
> Theo
> 
> From: "michael king via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> To: "Gary" <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>
> Cc: "David Sosna" <sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com <mailto:sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com>>, "David Sosna via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:45:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
> 
> Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning their products easier...
> As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes more generic other brands will come along.
> 
> The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>> wrote:
> David, 
>  The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.  Not every pole but... 
> They are all over at least out in CA.  It can add 200 miles in only 20 minutes and they put them 
> right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.  The big display on the dash tells you 
> when you need a charge and directs you in.  It gives options and it knows if there will be any 
> wait or anything.  Pretty impressive.  The future is here. 
> Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Tesla... 
> Gary 
> 
> On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey, Ron:
> 
> I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.
> 
> I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.  Seriously.  Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt.  Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. ?
> 
> Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
> 
> There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. ?
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> David Sosna
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote: 
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.   Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.
> 
> 
> 
> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can?t be without the latest electronic gismo.   Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
> 
> 
> 
> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.   My 1st question would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?   My guess, few.
> 
> 
> 
> IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the consequences.   The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I?m not interested.   Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can?t use them, the range drops too far.   
> 
> 
> 
> I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
> 
> 
> 
> EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including work.   Some of those EV?s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> To: Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com> <mailto:jbsyv at yahoo.com>; Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
> 
> 
> 
> This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't adapt
> 
> to modern technology.
> 
> Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't support
> 
> all of them.
> 
> Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one.
> 
> Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity.  All
> 
> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great
> 
> transportation device!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> 
> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself.  The
> 
> Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind
> 
> pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much
> 
> better.
> 
> On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. 
> 
> With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid! 
> 
> JMHO
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jim B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com <mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Just what every EV owner needs... 
> 
>  
> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehicles/>
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Oct  5 07:40:46 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2022 09:40:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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Toyota put a lot of money into hybrids, no wonder they want them to survive.
We are real happy with the Prius Prime.  Spec electric range is 25 but we always get over 30
and we are in the hills.  On the flat and at slower speeds I am sure 35 is possible.  We don't
drive much since we are retired but are up to 12K miles  and it is at 163MPG.   It gets about
70MPG when we use gas on trips driving 65MPH or so.
Our last regular 2010
Prius had 140K miles and the only problem was the 12V battery went bad.  It always got over
50MPG.
There is a calculator on the Tesla web site to show you how much money you can save by
buying a Tesla.  At 163MPG it says zero..  and the Tesla costs probably 3 times what we paid
(we did get a fantastic deal, $6K off sticker at the end of 2020).

Its good to hear Theo has an electric, and good to hear it is beating its range spec.

We have to save gas and money for the Tigers!
Gary


>     On 10/04/2022 7:26 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
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> 
>     My take.  Agree 100% that all cars are silent now except for their tires.  However, I think gas cars do make a little bit more noise when starting to pull away from a stop - like in a parking space.  So that EVs starting to move can be a surprise.
> 
>     Toyota has been pushing lately that the 100% EV concept that California is pushing is not realistic and that hybrids will be around for a long time.  I agree.  We were going to get a Tesla, but now think we?ll probably get a plug in hybrid that has a 35+ mile range.  That will be basically 100% EV for us most months.
> 
>     The other thing I don?t possibly fathom is how the vast majority of Los Angeles residents who live in the miles and miles of small apartments buildings will charge.  Those buildings don?t have parking spaces for all tenants.  Who is going to wire up those apartments?  
> 
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>         > >         On Oct 2, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >         Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that ?some? people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife?s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I think I?ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. 
> >         With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle as a kid! 
> >         JMHO
> >         Cheers
> >         Jim B
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> >             > > >             On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com > wrote:
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> > >             Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
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> > >                 > > > >                 Just what every EV owner needs...
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct  9 09:42:57 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 11:42:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] heater valve another 1 bits the dust
Message-ID: <000201d8dbf5$cec3d280$6c4b7780$@bluefrog.com>

Well, I never expected the heater valve to leak like this.

I had one of these valves leak and someone explained that these heater valve
needed to be place in a center position so the diaphragm did not rupture,
which I did park it in a center position.

Never saw one blow out like this.

Good thing I had some hose shut off clamps and the engine temp stayed
normal.

I was 40 miles from home; at least it did not happen in the 30 miles of
construction zone.

 

Ron Fraser

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct  9 14:00:30 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 16:00:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] heater valve another 1 bits the dust
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Thank you Bill; always good to know about alternate parts.

 

I believe I have one of those somewhere in my collection.

Looking on Rock Auto that valve has 5/8? hose connections so adaptors are needed.

I have to find my collection of heat valve parts somewhere here in a storage box.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Bill Bulpitt <billbulpitt at gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2022 3:16 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] heater valve another 1 bits the dust

 

I just use the valve from a 60s Ford Pickup,  It works in reverse, but never leaks or breaks...

 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 1:21 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Well, I never expected the heater valve to leak like this.

I had one of these valves leak and someone explained that these heater valve needed to be place in a center position so the diaphragm did not rupture, which I did park it in a center position.

Never saw one blow out like this.

Good thing I had some hose shut off clamps and the engine temp stayed normal.

I was 40 miles from home; at least it did not happen in the 30 miles of construction zone.

 

Ron Fraser

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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  9 14:53:52 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 20:53:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 328
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 I am on my third one and this one leaks as well. ?I have had to plug both hoses going into the heater valve so no more leaks, looks correct but does nothing.
Good thing I live in the South. ?I turned off the fresh air vents, window open, 45 degrees, nice drive to play golf about 30 miles away.
A good recommendation on one that is correct that would hold up would be appreciated.
Joel Martin
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? 1. heater valve another 1 bits the dust (Ron Fraser)

Well, I never expected the heater valve to leak like this.

I had one of these valves leak and someone explained that these heater valve needed to be place in a center position so the diaphragm did not rupture, which I did park it in a center position.

Never saw one blow out like this.

 

Good thing I had some hose shut off clamps and the engine temp stayed normal.

I was 40 miles from home; at least it did not happen in the 30 miles of construction zone.

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct  9 15:16:28 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 17:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] panhard rod parts
Message-ID: <002101d8dc24$668debe0$33a9c3a0$@bluefrog.com>



 

Anyone working on their Panhard rod?

I'm looking for a picture of an original part #46 called the spigot end.

I want to make sure a previous own did not cobble up this part.

 

Thanks 

Ron Fraser

 

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Oct  9 20:05:10 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 22:05:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 328
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Those MK1a and MK2 valves are pretty bad.  The repros even worse.
The late Paul Reisentz told me he told his customers (that just had to have that valve)
to never actually use it.. it will break.
Fortunately I only have MK1's.
Gary


>     On 10/09/2022 4:53 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     I am on my third one and this one leaks as well.  I have had to plug both hoses going into the heater valve so no more leaks, looks correct but does nothing.
> 
>     Good thing I live in the South.  I turned off the fresh air vents, window open, 45 degrees, nice drive to play golf about 30 miles away.
> 
>     A good recommendation on one that is correct that would hold up would be appreciated.
> 
>     Joel Martin
> 
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>       1. heater valve another 1 bits the dust (Ron Fraser)
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>     Well, I never expected the heater valve to leak like this.
> 
>     I had one of these valves leak and someone explained that these heater valve needed to be place in a center position so the diaphragm did not rupture, which I did park it in a center position.
> 
>     Never saw one blow out like this.
> 
> 
>     Good thing I had some hose shut off clamps and the engine temp stayed normal.
> 
>     I was 40 miles from home; at least it did not happen in the 30 miles of construction zone.
> 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Oct  9 20:35:05 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 22:35:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] panhard rod parts
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I do have one out of the car.  I was tripping over it for years but I just checked, I must have put
it away up in the attic or somewhere.  I could look for it if no one else has one.
That part looks just like the drawing as I recall.  It threads into the rod and is all one piece.
BTW, the Tiger works a lot better with small bushing springs and putting the rod in the attic!
Gary


>     On 10/09/2022 5:16 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     Anyone working on their Panhard rod?
> 
>     I?m looking for a picture of an original part #46 called the spigot end.
> 
>     I want to make sure a previous own did not cobble up this part.
> 
> 
>     Thanks
> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 10 09:18:23 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 11:18:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] panhard rod parts
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Here is a picture of the spigot end.

My concern is the amount of weld holding the washer.

Is that correct or has a previous owner cobbled upon it?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 9:59 AM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] panhard rod parts

 

Ron, send us a photo of what you think might be cobbled up? That end is
where the side to side location of the rear end is done.  

 

Mayf

Twfs. period

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2022 2:16 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: [Tigers] panhard rod parts

 



 

Anyone working on their Panhard rod?

I'm looking for a picture of an original part #46 called the spigot end.

I want to make sure a previous own did not cobble up this part.

 

Thanks 

Ron Fraser

 

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Oct 10 14:02:04 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 13:02:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Panhard rod spigot
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Ron,
Here is a quick shot of mine.  It does appear 
that you customer ?reinforced ? or created 
his.  This my original B9470622.
Gary


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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 09:32:41 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 10:32:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
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Hi,

I have a question about the soft top hinge.  In the photo below I added a
red arrow pointing to a curved piece of spring metal.  I'm not sure what
this is supposed to do.  I thought maybe it was supposed to rest against
the pivoting arm that attaches to the soft top frame but the shape of it
does not match the arm and won't stay on it.

Where is this spring supposed to be sitting?

[image: Soft Top Hinge.jpg]

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Oct 11 10:59:59 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:59:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfnRi2jRJyZKHrB30_qBEX0_mprSPAP3GB2ff2OO1X_A+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Joe 

Does this picture help you?

I marked the spring with white.

 

I think it should pivot with the arm but not sure.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 11:33 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge

 

Hi,

 

I have a question about the soft top hinge.  In the photo below I added a red arrow pointing to a curved piece of spring metal.  I'm not sure what this is supposed to do.  I thought maybe it was supposed to rest against the pivoting arm that attaches to the soft top frame but the shape of it does not match the arm and won't stay on it.  

 

Where is this spring supposed to be sitting?

 



 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct 11 11:31:02 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 10:31:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
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Message-ID: <AC41A637-619C-476B-B92B-1DC394B2278A@comcast.net>


Joe,
The spring needs to rotate up along side
the grey arm.  There is a tab on the spring 
to hold it there.
the spring pushes the arm to the opposite 
side of the chrome slot from where it is now.
You may need to loosen the nyloc nut.
As the top is lowered, the spring pushes 
the arm against the curved edge of the
brass (above your arrow).
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi,
> 
> I have a question about the soft top hinge.  In the photo below I added a red arrow pointing to a curved piece of spring metal.  I'm not sure what this is supposed to do.  I thought maybe it was supposed to rest against the pivoting arm that attaches to the soft top frame but the shape of it does not match the arm and won't stay on it.  
> 
> Where is this spring supposed to be sitting?
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct 11 11:53:23 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 13:53:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
In-Reply-To: <000801d8dd92$e6a227a0$b3e676e0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <CAKb_wfnRi2jRJyZKHrB30_qBEX0_mprSPAP3GB2ff2OO1X_A+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <000801d8dd92$e6a227a0$b3e676e0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <1116227257.1359419.1665510803206@connect.xfinity.com>

Wow Ron, hopefully that's not a part you will have to use.. looks like its been the bay
since 1965, LOL.
YES, the spring does pivot with the arm.
Joe, you may want to remove any paint and oil the joint so it all rotates easily.
Gary


>     On 10/11/2022 12:59 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Joe
> 
>     Does this picture help you?
> 
>     I marked the spring with white.
> 
> 
>     I think it should pivot with the arm but not sure.
> 
> 
>     Ron Fraser
> 
> 
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Brown
>     Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 11:33 AM
>     To: tigers at autox.team.net
>     Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
> 
> 
>     Hi,
> 
> 
>     I have a question about the soft top hinge.  In the photo below I added a red arrow pointing to a curved piece of spring metal.  I'm not sure what this is supposed to do.  I thought maybe it was supposed to rest against the pivoting arm that attaches to the soft top frame but the shape of it does not match the arm and won't stay on it.  
> 
> 
>     Where is this spring supposed to be sitting?
> 
> 
>     [Soft Top Hinge.jpg]
> 
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     Joe Brown
> 
>     _______________________________________________
> 
>     tigers at autox.team.net
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 13:49:54 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:49:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 335
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I have looked at my spare,  although not quite that NASTY, YES IT KEEPS
PRESSURE ON THE ARM. BEAU2EVE at AOL



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Joe,
The spring needs to rotate up along side
the grey arm.  There is a tab on the spring
to hold it there.
the spring pushes the arm to the opposite
side of the chrome slot from where it is now.
You may need to loosen the nyloc nut.
As the top is lowered, the spring pushes
the arm against the curved edge of the
brass (above your arrow).
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi,
>
> I have a question about the soft top hinge.  In the photo below I added a
red arrow pointing to a curved piece of spring metal.  I'm not sure what
this is supposed to do.  I thought maybe it was supposed to rest against
the pivoting arm that attaches to the soft top frame but the shape of it
does not match the arm and won't stay on it.
>
> Where is this spring supposed to be sitting?
>
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 13:51:22 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:51:22 -0400
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Beau again wrong email sorry. Blance598 at gmail.com

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From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
To: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
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Joe,
The spring needs to rotate up along side
the grey arm.  There is a tab on the spring
to hold it there.
the spring pushes the arm to the opposite
side of the chrome slot from where it is now.
You may need to loosen the nyloc nut.
As the top is lowered, the spring pushes
the arm against the curved edge of the
brass (above your arrow).
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi,
>
> I have a question about the soft top hinge.  In the photo below I added a
red arrow pointing to a curved piece of spring metal.  I'm not sure what
this is supposed to do.  I thought maybe it was supposed to rest against
the pivoting arm that attaches to the soft top frame but the shape of it
does not match the arm and won't stay on it.
>
> Where is this spring supposed to be sitting?
>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 14:44:40 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:44:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  Soft Top Hinge
In-Reply-To: <1116227257.1359419.1665510803206@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CAKb_wfnRi2jRJyZKHrB30_qBEX0_mprSPAP3GB2ff2OO1X_A+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKb_wf=6P9c8HcO9EBC3omEDTCci2FOAvN10H9BgfcOAjopZcg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all of the responses.  I will try to bend the spring so that it
will stay on the hinge.  A couple of other people said something about
maybe needing to loosen the bolt with the nylok nut.  I had this bolt
tightened all the way up against the top frame and it sounds like I need to
loosen it a little bit so the hinge can move on the frame as it is lowered.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

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From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>, <
tigers at autox.team.net>


Wow Ron, hopefully that's not a part you will have to use.. looks like its
been the bay
since 1965, LOL.
YES, the spring does pivot with the arm.
Joe, you may want to remove any paint and oil the joint so it all rotates
easily.
Gary

On 10/11/2022 12:59 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


Joe

Does this picture help you?

I marked the spring with white.


I think it should pivot with the arm but not sure.


Ron Fraser


*From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2022 11:33 AM
*To:* tigers at autox.team.net
*Subject:* [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge


Hi,


I have a question about the soft top hinge.  In the photo below I added a
red arrow pointing to a curved piece of spring metal.  I'm not sure what
this is supposed to do.  I thought maybe it was supposed to rest against
the pivoting arm that attaches to the soft top frame but the shape of it
does not match the arm and won't stay on it.


Where is this spring supposed to be sitting?


[image: Soft Top Hinge.jpg]


Thanks,

Joe Brown
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct 11 15:50:55 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:50:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  Soft Top Hinge
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Joe,
I think you can tighten it but get the hinge 
all the way outboard first.  The frame can 
flex enough when lowering.  You?ll know
when you get the spring and all working.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks for all of the responses.  I will try to bend the spring so that it will stay on the hinge.  A couple of other people said something about maybe needing to loosen the bolt with the nylok nut.  I had this bolt tightened all the way up against the top frame and it sounds like I need to loosen it a little bit so the hinge can move on the frame as it is lowered.
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>, <tigers at autox.team.net>
> 
> 
> Wow Ron, hopefully that's not a part you will have to use.. looks like its been the bay 
> since 1965, LOL. 
> YES, the spring does pivot with the arm. 
> Joe, you may want to remove any paint and oil the joint so it all rotates easily. 
> Gary 
> 
>> On 10/11/2022 12:59 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> Does this picture help you?
>> 
>> I marked the spring with white.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think it should pivot with the arm but not sure.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Brown
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 11:33 AM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Hinge
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a question about the soft top hinge.  In the photo below I added a red arrow pointing to a curved piece of spring metal.  I'm not sure what this is supposed to do.  I thought maybe it was supposed to rest against the pivoting arm that attaches to the soft top frame but the shape of it does not match the arm and won't stay on it.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Where is this spring supposed to be sitting?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Joe Brown
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net 
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From rollright at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 14:34:25 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:34:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine and tiger GT interior parts
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Hello all,
Does anyone have or know of somebody that has the interior parts that are specific to an alpine or tiger GT? The parts that surround the area where the backseat area is or would be?
It?s a longshot I know but it?s worth asking if anybody has those unusual upholstery panels.
Jim Armstrong 38 alarm

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From rollright at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 14:41:20 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine and tiger GT interior parts
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Hello all,

I?m wondering whether any of you or you know of somebody that has some of the interior panels that are unique to the alpine and tiger GT interior. These are the panels that go around the back of the seating area on a GT. Sort of upholstery panels similar to the door panels. These are quite unique to the GT?s
Any leads would be appreciated.
Jim Armstrong

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 18:43:58 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:43:58 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine and tiger GT interior parts
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Yes.   They are listed on the CAT and SAOCA forum.  They have the 3 top
panels for the rear deck. The vertical ones arw just ply so they can be
made easily.



On Thursday, 27 October 2022, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <
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> Hello all,
>
> I?m wondering whether any of you or you know of somebody that has some of
> the interior panels that are unique to the alpine and tiger GT interior.
> These are the panels that go around the back of the seating area on a GT.
> Sort of upholstery panels similar to the door panels. These are quite
> unique to the GT?s
> Any leads would be appreciated.
> Jim Armstrong
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Oct 29 09:59:24 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2022 11:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets
Message-ID: <1741493052.275727.1667059167726@verizon.net>

I bought new gas tank cover panels from Rick and have the metal platform brackets ready to install.? Does anyone know the dimensions I would need to attach those in the proper position? My original ones were in such bad shape, I can't take measurements.?Thanks,Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct 29 13:18:30 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2022 15:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets
In-Reply-To: <1741493052.275727.1667059167726@verizon.net>
References: <1741493052.275727.1667059167726@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001301d8ebcb$3be520f0$b3af62d0$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

You have asked the near impossible.   There is nothing but contours to measure from and they maybe different from your Tiger.

You would truly need the drawing to place these holes as original.   3 holes on the battery side, 2 holes on the other side.

 

You would need to have at least 2 diagonal dimensions from panel mounting holes for each bracket hole to get close.

Anyone have their original panels out and available for measuring?

Here is the best description as I see this.

 

On each panel ? use tape or some way of removable marker ? from the center of the trunk hinge notch to the bottom panel fastener hole below it, mark a line

Battery side ? metal bracket starts about 3/8? to front of car

Other side ? metal bracket starts about at that line

 

Assemble both panels onto the car, install the platform ? mark a line along the top of the platform on each panel

Remove the platform ? mark a line the width of the platform below those 1st lines ? that is the top of the bracket position

 

Remove the panels and place each bracket on the correct panel along that lower line ? mark the holes for the brackets

Drill holes ? mount brackets

 

The center of the brackets should be almost in the center of the platform.

There is a small notch in the platform each side for the trunk hinge ? the brackets should have about 1? visible ? see pictures.

1st picture is battery side ? rear edge of bracket @ 16? measured from front of platform

2nd picture other side ? rear edge of the bracket @ 15.25? or a little more.

 

Hope this helps or gives you ideas on how to approach this.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 11:59 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets

 

I bought new gas tank cover panels from Rick and have the metal platform brackets ready to install.  Does anyone know the dimensions I would need to attach those in the proper position? My original ones were in such bad shape, I can't take measurements. 

 

Thanks,

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Oct 29 14:32:27 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2022 16:32:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets
In-Reply-To: <001301d8ebcb$3be520f0$b3af62d0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <1372957963.367260.1667075551455@verizon.net>

Ron,Thanks for your very thorough response.? I understand your concerns with contours and dimensions. Your suggestions seem pretty straight forward to me.? I have cut new plywood for the platform and have new cover material.? Will wait until the new platform is assembled before following your suggestions.?Thanks again.JimSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 10/29/22  3:18 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'Jim D'Amelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets JimYou have asked the near impossible.?? There is nothing but contours to measure from and they maybe different from your Tiger.You would truly need the drawing to place these holes as original.?? 3 holes on the battery side, 2 holes on the other side.?You would need to have at least 2 diagonal dimensions from panel mounting holes for each bracket hole to get close.Anyone have their original panels out and available for measuring? Here is the best description as I see this.?On each panel ? use tape or some way of removable marker ? from the center of the trunk hinge notch to the bottom panel fastener hole below it, mark a lineBattery side ? metal bracket starts about 3/8? to front of carOther side ? metal bracket starts about at that line?Assemble both panels onto the car, install the platform ? mark a line along the top of the platform on each panelRemove the platform ? mark a line the width of the platform below those 1st lines ? that is the top of the bracket position?Remove the panels and place each bracket on the correct panel along that lower line ? mark the holes for the bracketsDrill holes ? mount brackets?The center of the brackets should be almost in the center of the platform.There is a small notch in the platform each side for the trunk hinge ? the brackets should have about 1? visible ? see pictures.1st picture is battery side ? rear edge of bracket @ 16? measured from front of platform2nd picture other side ? rear edge of the bracket @ 15.25? or a little more.?Hope this helps or gives you ideas on how to approach this.?Ron Fraser???From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio via TigersSent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 11:59 AMTo: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets?I bought new gas tank cover panels from Rick and have the metal platform brackets ready to install.? Does anyone know the dimensions I would need to attach those in the proper position? My original ones were in such bad shape, I can't take measurements.??Thanks,?Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy?
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct 30 10:03:36 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 12:03:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets
In-Reply-To: <1372957963.367260.1667075551455@verizon.net>
References: <001301d8ebcb$3be520f0$b3af62d0$@bluefrog.com>
 <1372957963.367260.1667075551455@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000201d8ec79$2c2611c0$84723540$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

 

Here is a representation of the dimensions off NOT original panels.

I believe I made these panels 40 years ago and should be close to the original dimensions.

 

The measurements are in MM ? they should be close but no guarantee; use as a guide.

Make any adjustments or corrections as needed if using these drawings.

 

Anyone have original panels to make similar measurements and possibly more accurate measurements?

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Jim D'Amelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> 
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 4:32 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets

 

Ron,

 

Thanks for your very thorough response.  I understand your concerns with contours and dimensions. Your suggestions seem pretty straight forward to me.  I have cut new plywood for the platform and have new cover material.  Will wait until the new platform is assembled before following your suggestions. 

 

Thanks again.

 

Jim

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 

Date: 10/29/22 3:18 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: 'Jim D'Amelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >, tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>  

Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets 

 

Jim

You have asked the near impossible.   There is nothing but contours to measure from and they maybe different from your Tiger.

You would truly need the drawing to place these holes as original.   3 holes on the battery side, 2 holes on the other side.

 

You would need to have at least 2 diagonal dimensions from panel mounting holes for each bracket hole to get close.

Anyone have their original panels out and available for measuring?

Here is the best description as I see this.

 

On each panel ? use tape or some way of removable marker ? from the center of the trunk hinge notch to the bottom panel fastener hole below it, mark a line

Battery side ? metal bracket starts about 3/8? to front of car

Other side ? metal bracket starts about at that line

 

Assemble both panels onto the car, install the platform ? mark a line along the top of the platform on each panel

Remove the platform ? mark a line the width of the platform below those 1st lines ? that is the top of the bracket position

 

Remove the panels and place each bracket on the correct panel along that lower line ? mark the holes for the brackets

Drill holes ? mount brackets

 

The center of the brackets should be almost in the center of the platform.

There is a small notch in the platform each side for the trunk hinge ? the brackets should have about 1? visible ? see pictures.

1st picture is battery side ? rear edge of bracket @ 16? measured from front of platform

2nd picture other side ? rear edge of the bracket @ 15.25? or a little more.

 

Hope this helps or gives you ideas on how to approach this.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 11:59 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Platform Brackets

 

I bought new gas tank cover panels from Rick and have the metal platform brackets ready to install.  Does anyone know the dimensions I would need to attach those in the proper position? My original ones were in such bad shape, I can't take measurements. 

 

Thanks,

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

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