From rollright at aol.com  Tue Nov  1 11:37:38 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 13:37:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Wheel studs and nuts
References: <1C6B57A0-3338-42AD-8AAB-D7820B9B96E1.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1C6B57A0-3338-42AD-8AAB-D7820B9B96E1@aol.com>

Hello,
Actually there are two questions that I?d like to ask everybody.
1) Are there any identical wheel nuts from some common vehicle that I could get at a NAPA store or the like that would be just like the ones on an original Tiger /Alpine?
2) What about wheel studs? Are there any that are available that were identical to the Sunbeam? I seem to remember Chevys had similar threads and lengths. I?m sure somebody has some experience in this.
Best regards to all,
Jim Armstrong

Sent from my iPhone

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 12:44:27 2022
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 14:44:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Wheel studs and nuts
In-Reply-To: <1C6B57A0-3338-42AD-8AAB-D7820B9B96E1@aol.com>
References: <1C6B57A0-3338-42AD-8AAB-D7820B9B96E1.ref@aol.com>
 <1C6B57A0-3338-42AD-8AAB-D7820B9B96E1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAE3_YO-aShmT0VEh7vsupnGm25=00kV9kjoSSCwwj+dXUcWxfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sunbeam Specialties P11, Item 12.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 2:09 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> Actually there are two questions that I?d like to ask everybody.
> 1) Are there any identical wheel nuts from some common vehicle that I
> could get at a NAPA store or the like that would be just like the ones on
> an original Tiger /Alpine?
> 2) What about wheel studs? Are there any that are available that were
> identical to the Sunbeam? I seem to remember Chevys had similar threads and
> lengths. I?m sure somebody has some experience in this.
> Best regards to all,
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 13:37:04 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 14:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Window adjustments
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfkaK-knAmmVOGr=uZf2PP2TF1fYrvka-5j_=vuqcPmeCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I need some tips for adjusting my windows.  I have installed a new soft top
and the tops of the windows aren't meeting up with the weatherstripping on
the top.  I need to be able tilt the windows more toward the interior of
the car.  I've been playing around with the mounting screws for the window
channels and nothing seems to affect the tilt of the windows.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 15:00:08 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 16:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfkaK-knAmmVOGr=uZf2PP2TF1fYrvka-5j_=vuqcPmeCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfkaK-knAmmVOGr=uZf2PP2TF1fYrvka-5j_=vuqcPmeCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfk4oBXzZ4-d+8M_sqoK4SGfwhwmcpnV5SPk03qjQpsKwg@mail.gmail.com>

Just to follow up.  I'm following some excellent instructions I found on
the teae.org web site.  I can move the top of the window in or out a small
fraction of an inch, but I need another .5"-.75".

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 2:37 PM
Subject: Window adjustments
To: Tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>


Hi,

I need some tips for adjusting my windows.  I have installed a new soft top
and the tops of the windows aren't meeting up with the weatherstripping on
the top.  I need to be able tilt the windows more toward the interior of
the car.  I've been playing around with the mounting screws for the window
channels and nothing seems to affect the tilt of the windows.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov  1 19:27:36 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 21:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfk4oBXzZ4-d+8M_sqoK4SGfwhwmcpnV5SPk03qjQpsKwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfkaK-knAmmVOGr=uZf2PP2TF1fYrvka-5j_=vuqcPmeCQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKb_wfk4oBXzZ4-d+8M_sqoK4SGfwhwmcpnV5SPk03qjQpsKwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01d8ee5a$4ba19e60$e2e4db20$@bluefrog.com>

Joe

                To me, that sounds like the soft top is way too tight.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 5:00 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments

 

Just to follow up.  I'm following some excellent instructions I found on the teae.org <http://teae.org>  web site.  I can move the top of the window in or out a small fraction of an inch, but I need another .5"-.75".  

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> >
Date: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 2:37 PM
Subject: Window adjustments
To: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>  <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >

 

Hi,

 

I need some tips for adjusting my windows.  I have installed a new soft top and the tops of the windows aren't meeting up with the weatherstripping on the top.  I need to be able tilt the windows more toward the interior of the car.  I've been playing around with the mounting screws for the window channels and nothing seems to affect the tilt of the windows. 

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 19:58:33 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 20:58:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments
In-Reply-To: <000a01d8ee5a$4ba19e60$e2e4db20$@bluefrog.com>
References: <CAKb_wfkaK-knAmmVOGr=uZf2PP2TF1fYrvka-5j_=vuqcPmeCQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKb_wfk4oBXzZ4-d+8M_sqoK4SGfwhwmcpnV5SPk03qjQpsKwg@mail.gmail.com>
 <000a01d8ee5a$4ba19e60$e2e4db20$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wf==Gv0vd85Nmc8Jfo4Wm7tEnWCWoSkoJYwDec2j7BUeCA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think that's it. The Velcro on the top lines up with the Velcro on
the frame. The top of the quarter window is not tilted far enough in to
meet up with the seal on the windshield. So I need to figure out how to get
the whole window tilted in.

I guess I need to take the window mechanism all apart and start over.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Joe
>
>                 To me, that sounds like the soft top is way too tight.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2022 5:00 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments
>
>
>
> Just to follow up.  I'm following some excellent instructions I found on
> the teae.org web site.  I can move the top of the window in or out a
> small fraction of an inch, but I need another .5"-.75".
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Joe Brown* <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 2:37 PM
> Subject: Window adjustments
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I need some tips for adjusting my windows.  I have installed a new soft
> top and the tops of the windows aren't meeting up with the weatherstripping
> on the top.  I need to be able tilt the windows more toward the interior of
> the car.  I've been playing around with the mounting screws for the window
> channels and nothing seems to affect the tilt of the windows.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
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From ironbeast at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 02:33:34 2022
From: ironbeast at comcast.net (Iron beast)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 04:33:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments
Message-ID: <12DCD721-2DA7-481A-A63F-C1C419353EA1@comcast.net>

?
?
?
Hey Joe,
 
One thing to check is to make sure your quarter window is aligned properly to the windscreen frame. If there?s interference or a tight gap there it will push the roll up window out when you close the door. You need good fit with the ledge on the door seal and the chrome frame.  

I recently discovered that the wedges under the windscreen were left out after my car was painted and I needed to realign the ws frame.
 Also check that the small screw holding the quarter window frame to the door (I think it?s a #4???) is present and tight. Sometimes the captive nut in the door is missing .
If it?s loose this will also allow movement of the window when you close the door. 

Paul.  

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 5:34 PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?
> Just to follow up.  I'm following some excellent instructions I found on the teae.org web site.  I can move the top of the window in or out a small fraction of an inch, but I need another .5"-.75".  
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 2:37 PM
> Subject: Window adjustments
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I need some tips for adjusting my windows.  I have installed a new soft top and the tops of the windows aren't meeting up with the weatherstripping on the top.  I need to be able tilt the windows more toward the interior of the car.  I've been playing around with the mounting screws for the window channels and nothing seems to affect the tilt of the windows. 
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Nov  2 09:19:51 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:19:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wf==Gv0vd85Nmc8Jfo4Wm7tEnWCWoSkoJYwDec2j7BUeCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfkaK-knAmmVOGr=uZf2PP2TF1fYrvka-5j_=vuqcPmeCQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKb_wfk4oBXzZ4-d+8M_sqoK4SGfwhwmcpnV5SPk03qjQpsKwg@mail.gmail.com>
 <000a01d8ee5a$4ba19e60$e2e4db20$@bluefrog.com>
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Message-ID: <000501d8eece$8eea19d0$acbe4d70$@bluefrog.com>

Joe

 

I took these measurements off the hard top on my car ? soft top should be similar

Measurements made across passenger cabin from door to door opening.

 

Top of B post ? 41.25?

Bottom of B post ? 4? 

 

Measurements off a convertible top could help Joe sort this out.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 9:59 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments

 

I don't think that's it. The Velcro on the top lines up with the Velcro on the frame. The top of the quarter window is not tilted far enough in to meet up with the seal on the windshield. So I need to figure out how to get the whole window tilted in.

 

I guess I need to take the window mechanism all apart and start over.

 

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Joe

                To me, that sounds like the soft top is way too tight.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 5:00 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Window adjustments

 

Just to follow up.  I'm following some excellent instructions I found on the teae.org <http://teae.org>  web site.  I can move the top of the window in or out a small fraction of an inch, but I need another .5"-.75".  

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> >
Date: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 2:37 PM
Subject: Window adjustments
To: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>  <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >

 

Hi,

 

I need some tips for adjusting my windows.  I have installed a new soft top and the tops of the windows aren't meeting up with the weatherstripping on the top.  I need to be able tilt the windows more toward the interior of the car.  I've been playing around with the mounting screws for the window channels and nothing seems to affect the tilt of the windows. 

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

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From clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 09:30:27 2022
From: clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com (Clyde Mclaughlin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
Message-ID: <CAF6p=0B6iTxYkmD6Od-yScWJWXSFQ32C3-taKi6jq5BDJTrBZA@mail.gmail.com>

has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have
read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels
and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street
use only, limited auto cross
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 09:57:32 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:57:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
In-Reply-To: <CAF6p=0B6iTxYkmD6Od-yScWJWXSFQ32C3-taKi6jq5BDJTrBZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF6p=0B6iTxYkmD6Od-yScWJWXSFQ32C3-taKi6jq5BDJTrBZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1542087850.2161147.1667404652965@connect.xfinity.com>

I have.  Dale's old kit.  Works great.  Fiat 124's are getting as rare as Tigers though, not
a dime a dozen like in the '90s when Dale used their calipers.
Gary


>     On 11/02/2022 11:30 AM Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street use only, limited auto cross
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From banana111 at msn.com  Wed Nov  2 11:55:40 2022
From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 17:55:40 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fiat rear disc brakes
Message-ID: <SN6PR07MB483036A9C50D397A13D6B710F7399@SN6PR07MB4830.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hey Clyde, where are you located? I have a set of fiat brakes and the rotors for the tiger rear setup. I put it together a long time ago and never installed them on my Tiger. I'm in the Everett, Wa area.

 Brent



Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:30:27 -0400
From: Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com>
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have
read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels
and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 12:17:20 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:17:20 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fiat rear disc brakes
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR07MB483036A9C50D397A13D6B710F7399@SN6PR07MB4830.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB483036A9C50D397A13D6B710F7399@SN6PR07MB4830.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <EB81244A-EFFA-4CD1-BF63-C20B2F790553@gmail.com>

I have the Saturn kit.  I haven?t installed it yet. I got it for the Alpine to replace the self adjusting drums - which have been a disaster.  I also have the normal manual adjust parts if I want to go that way. 

> On Nov 2, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Brent Edinger via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hey Clyde, where are you located? I have a set of fiat brakes and the rotors for the tiger rear setup. I put it together a long time ago and never installed them on my Tiger. I'm in the Everett, Wa area.
> 
>  Brent
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:30:27 -0400
> From: Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com>
> To: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
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> 
> has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have
> read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels
> and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street
> use only, limited auto cross
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Wed Nov  2 12:46:26 2022
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 12:46:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
In-Reply-To: <1542087850.2161147.1667404652965@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CAF6p=0B6iTxYkmD6Od-yScWJWXSFQ32C3-taKi6jq5BDJTrBZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1542087850.2161147.1667404652965@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <573624444.57728434.1667414786126.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

On my Tiger I currently have '95 Mustang (Cobra) rear discs and calipers. The main features that pulled me there was that the disc bolt pattern matched what I'm currently using (5 on 4 1/2) and that the calipers had cable parking brake actuation of the pads in addition to the hydraulic pistons. 
But those discs are too large for a 13 inch application. At the time I did the conversion, I traded in a set of '85-87 Toyota Corolla GT-S (AE86 series) rear disc calipers, which also had a cable parking brake. The Corollas of that era had 14 inch OEM wheels but I'm pretty sure some people used 13 inch wheels on them for autocross purposes. 
Toyota made approximately a zillion of those cars so they might still be a good aftermarket pick for a rear disc caliper. 

Theo 


From: "Gary" <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
To: "Clyde Mclaughlin" <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com>, "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 9:57:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake 

I have. Dale's old kit. Works great. Fiat 124's are getting as rare as Tigers though, not 
a dime a dozen like in the '90s when Dale used their calipers. 
Gary 




On 11/02/2022 11:30 AM Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com> wrote: 


has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street use only, limited auto cross 
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 13:05:06 2022
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 20:05:06 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
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What?s wrong with drums?  Just fed up of adjusting them?


Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin <
clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have
> read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels
> and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street
> use only, limited auto cross
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Wed Nov  2 14:27:39 2022
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 20:27:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
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I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our cars. I've never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decent high temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;)Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
To: Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake

What?s wrong with drums?? Just fed up of adjusting them?

Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com> ha scritto:

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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Wed Nov  2 16:36:38 2022
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 16:36:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
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I would guess that one could do some careful parts-bin engineering and end up with a rear drum setup that weighed significantly less than any equally effective rear disc setup. Datsun 240Z's came with aluminum rear drums (still with the cast iron liner, of course) and it would not be a huge effort to adapt the backplates so that all that stuff would bolt right on. You would probably even get automatic adjusters in the bargain. But rear discs have that certain je ne sais quoi... 

Cheers, 
Theo 



From: "Michael Wood via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
To: "owain lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>, "Clyde Mclaughlin" <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com> 
Cc: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:27:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake 

I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our cars. I've never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decent high temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;) 
Mike 


-----Original Message----- 
From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> 
To: Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com> 
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 1:05 pm 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake 

What?s wrong with drums? Just fed up of adjusting them? 


Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin < [ mailto:clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com | clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com ] > ha scritto: 



has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street use only, limited auto cross 
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 17:01:44 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 16:01:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
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I agree that drums are fine and that people over state the benefit of
discs.  For me, it was simply because my self adjusting versions were a
disaster.  I did everything I could to get all new parts, install
correctly, etc., and they just never worked right.  So I thought I'd go
with the discs on the Alpine for the why the heck not.  I just haven't
gotten to it yet.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:51 PM Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I would guess that one could do some careful parts-bin engineering and end
> up with a rear drum setup that weighed significantly less than any equally
> effective rear disc setup. Datsun 240Z's came with aluminum rear drums
> (still with the cast iron liner, of course) and it would not be a huge
> effort to adapt the backplates so that all that stuff would bolt right on.
> You would probably even get automatic adjusters in the bargain. But rear
> discs have that certain je ne sais quoi...
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Michael Wood via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *To: *"owain lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>, "Clyde Mclaughlin" <
> clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:27:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake
>
> I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as
> the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our cars. I've
> never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decent high
> temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;)
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
> To: Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 1:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake
>
> What?s wrong with drums?  Just fed up of adjusting them?
>
>
> Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin <
> clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have
> read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels
> and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street
> use only, limited auto cross
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 17:58:38 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 19:58:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] rear disc brake
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Well...
Discs are better or else why would all new cars have discs?
Basically, they cool better.  In a Tiger with discs on the rear, they will have stable proportioning.
And the pads can run (slip) right on the disc, even when adjusted to the max, drums
have play in the pedal.
Yeah, aluminum drums might have a slight weight advantage, maybe not when you add the
cooling fins, self adjusters, springs, etc.  Now, there are light weight aluminum calipers too.
Gary


>     On 11/02/2022 7:01 PM Jay Laifman via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I agree that drums are fine and that people over state the benefit of discs.  For me, it was simply because my self adjusting versions were a disaster.  I did everything I could to get all new parts, install correctly, etc., and they just never worked right.  So I thought I'd go with the discs on the Alpine for the why the heck not.  I just haven't gotten to it yet.
> 
>     On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:51 PM Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca mailto:tsmit at shaw.ca > wrote:
> 
>         > >         I would guess that one could do some careful parts-bin engineering and end up with a rear drum setup that weighed significantly less than any equally effective rear disc setup. Datsun 240Z's came with aluminum rear drums (still with the cast iron liner, of course) and it would not be a huge effort to adapt the backplates so that all that stuff would bolt right on. You would probably even get automatic adjusters in the bargain. But rear discs have that certain je ne sais quoi...
> > 
> >         Cheers,
> >         Theo
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         ---------------------------------------------
> >         From: "Michael Wood via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net >
> >         To: "owain lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com >, "Clyde Mclaughlin" <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com mailto:clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com >
> >         Cc: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net >
> >         Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:27:39 PM
> >         Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake
> > 
> >         I've often wondered about the "need" to go to rear discs on the Tiger, as the front brakes are asked to do pretty much all the work on our cars. I've never had issues with the rear drums in very hard use (with decent high temp linings). The fronts did require some work ;)
> >         Mike
> > 
> > 
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com >
> >         To: Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com mailto:clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com >
> >         Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net >
> >         Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 1:05 pm
> >         Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear disc brake
> > 
> >         What?s wrong with drums?  Just fed up of adjusting them?
> > 
> > 
> >         Il giorno mer 2 nov 2022 alle 16:43 Clyde Mclaughlin <clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com mailto:clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com > ha scritto:
> > 
> >             > > >             has anyone recently tried the fiat 124 rear conversion, most things I have read were from years ago. my interest is in maintaining use of 13" wheels and I have a set of the fiat caliper/brackets..and car is used for street use only, limited auto cross
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat Nov  5 14:00:03 2022
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 16:00:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Differential oil
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Hello

One of my winter projects is to refresh the oil in my completely stock rear end differential on my Tiger. Cannot remember what I used 10 years ago, so I will completely drain and refill.

I have heard not to use the Redline 75W90NS (GL-5) which is what I ?think? I used last time?but not sure. Hear I should stick with GL-4 for the rear end. I seem to recall I used the redline NS stuff because the NS meant ?no sulfur? which is hard on the soft metals.

I plan to use Sta-Lube from NAPA (GL-4) in my transmission. I am one of the very few with an original Borg Warner T10 in my Tiger and that brand has been recommended on a couple of the BW sites I have checked out.

Recommendations for rear end oil?

Thanks

Jim

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From clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 11:35:34 2022
From: clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com (Clyde Mclaughlin)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 13:35:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] List
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov 21 11:04:22 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II Alternator
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Tiger Original Engine Study

 

I'm looking for original Mk II alternator markings.

 

Stamp mark on alternator case - I have a non-tiger alternator stamp mark
example - 15V 42A C6AF 10300 B NEG

 

Stamp mark on pulley

 

Could be an ink stamp on the alternator

 

Any paint on the alternator, fan or pulley

 

I would like to see picture if possible.

 

Tiger Original Engine Study online @
<https://teae.org/tiger-engine-study/> Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast
AlpinesEast (teae.org)

 

Everyones participation is needed to make this Study a valuable asset to the
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Glad to answer any question about Tiger engine configuration.

 

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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 14:37:18 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 21:37:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Carpet installation question
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Hello,
?I going to install an almost new set of carpets correctly.Jeff Randall in Hanover MA showed me that the receiving snap is screwed to the floorand the carpet "female" is in two parts. Each on opposite sides of the carpet. I believe I have that right.What I'm wondering about, is there a tool that will compress all four tangs at the same time,or do you have to bend each tang individually. (I sure hope there is.)?Happy Thanksgiving to all,?Jim Armstrong
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From clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 06:46:16 2022
From: clydemclaughlin618 at gmail.com (Clyde Mclaughlin)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 08:46:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Carpet installation question
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The snaps I have only have one button in the middle to mushroom down with a
mandril and hammer..another tip for a nice carpet installation:  when you
get the kit the bellhousing hump piece is stitched to the drive shaft
tunnel piece, I have found that with that contour the carpet doesn't lay as
flat as it might so I suggest cutting the stitching leaving the  binding on
the bellhousing piece and then putting the driveshaft tunnel piece under
that bellhousing piece, there should be enough material and you might want
to apply a little glue to the tunnel piece to hold it in place until it
really settles in place.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 5:15 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I going to install an almost new set of carpets correctly.
> Jeff Randall in Hanover MA showed me that the receiving snap is screwed to
> the floor
> and the carpet "female" is in two parts. Each on opposite sides of the
> carpet. I believe I have that right.
> What I'm wondering about, is there a tool that will compress all four
> tangs at the same time,
> or do you have to bend each tang individually. (I sure hope there is.)
>
> Happy Thanksgiving to all,
>
> Jim Armstrong
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From tiger2dan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 14:42:32 2022
From: tiger2dan at gmail.com (Dan Richardson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:42:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Odd Bolt in Soft Tops - Alpines and Tigers- normally very
 rusty
Message-ID: <CACCKLWhHpN2V_GOq1uSOnruL54vwQx1OG=XzCcnkQai40krk-w@mail.gmail.com>

Pictured is a bolt that is hardly, if ever mentioned that plays an
important part in our Sunbeam Soft Tops, every time the top is raised or
lowered.
I noticed for the first time a few days ago how easily the drain trap
I noticed for the first time a few days ago how easily the drain trap under
the bronze bracket for the soft top hinge can become plugged causing water
to fill up and submerge the "bolt". My Blue Boy was not in such bad shape
back in 2008 when undergoing restoration.

But several of the parts to the tops I have for my other Alpines are in
very bad condition. A friend (David H) called me asking for some
replacement bolts about a week ago. We discussed the rusty condition and
their causes. That is when I searched for and found some of my parts were
in need of replacement.

I was in  the shop (CenterLine Eng) today with Larry watching him make a
bolt for me. That is when I read the POST Mark Davis made asking about a
source.

My search a few day ago turned up ZERO, so here goes..........I should add
that if anyone out there is interested in doing this fabrication, please do
so quickly. The first on next week CLEng will be activated.

Repeat! If you are interested in purchasing a pair or more please let me
know ASAP.

Thanks,

I am having replacement bolts made to duplicate the "originals". Tentative
sell price be around $18 to $20 a pair. The more made, the lesser the
price. I have asked for 50 pairs. If interested please let me know ASAP. I
will be confirming the quantity for order this coming week.

Thanks for posting this for me,

Dan Richardson
tiger2dan at gmail.com
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 25 09:07:30 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 11:07:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II Alternator update
Message-ID: <000201d900e8$06d02fe0$14708fa0$@bluefrog.com>

Mk II alternator

 

>From Shop Manual - Autolite, C5DF-10300-A NEG and it is 38 amps

 

There are no stamp marks in the castings.

There are no visible markings on the installed alternator to indicate its
part number.

 

The pulley stamp mark is on the inside surface of the pulley - anyone have
the pulley off to verify the stamp number?

The pulley and fan are painted semi-gloss black.

 

All Autolite alternators have an ink stamp indicating the part number,
amperage and date code.

This ink stamp is on the underside of the alternator - can anyone verify the
ink stamp?

 

Here is an interesting web site with more alternator information and parts.

 
<https://www.deadnutson.com/1965-1971-ford-autolite-alternators/?sort=featur
ed&page=1> 1965-71 Concours Correct Autolite Alternators - Dead Nuts On

 

Scroll down the page for parts - all of their alternators start with 55 amp
unit no matter the ink stamp - they have the correct Mk II voltage regulator
with the correct cover stampings and it is solid state.

 

Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 1:04 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II Alternator

 

Tiger Original Engine Study

 

I'm looking for original Mk II alternator markings.

 

Stamp mark on alternator case - I have a non-tiger alternator stamp mark
example - 15V 42A C6AF 10300 B NEG

 

Stamp mark on pulley

 

Could be an ink stamp on the alternator

 

Any paint on the alternator, fan or pulley

 

I would like to see picture if possible.

 

Tiger Original Engine Study online @
<https://teae.org/tiger-engine-study/> Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast
AlpinesEast (teae.org)

 

Everyones participation is needed to make this Study a valuable asset to the
Tiger community.

 

Glad to answer any question about Tiger engine configuration.

 

Ron Fraser         <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> rfraser at bluefrog.com

 

 

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