[Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan Ballard aballard at ix.netcom.com
Mon May 16 19:20:52 MDT 2022 

Ron,

Thanks!

 Getting this right will take a communal effort.

-Allan


> On May 16, 2022, at 8:02 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> I stopped by my shop today to photograph the trunk hinge fasteners on a Mk II Tiger.
> 
> SFAIK the MK II is highly original although it was rough when it went into long term storage.
> 
> Subsequently it’s only been driven now and then.
> 
> As discussed earlier, the correct hinge features two unpainted fasteners - a stud and bolt at one end and a flat headed
> Screw at the other end.
> 
> This Mk II’s left hinge does use an unpainted stud and nut.
> 
> However an unpainted bolt takes the place where a flat headed screw
> Belongs.’
> 
> Regarding the other hinge, unpainted bolts are present at each end of the hinge so that’s not correct.
> 
> 
> <right hinge MK II.jpeg><left hinge MK II.jpeg>
>> On May 16, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> The CAT forum resources that David sent does have these 2 issues.
>>  
>> Not much detail listed but the Mk I looks like it has the C4DF-S carb which would be the L2KA or later engine group
>>  
>> License plate DLR -  I’m guessing means Dealer plates.
>>  
>> Period correct photos like these are a great resource for unmolested original details.
>> It’s too bad they did not add details like the Vin # in these R&T issues.
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>>  
>> From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>> 
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 4:25 PM
>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>> Cc: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net>>; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>  
>> I have both of the magazines.  
>>  
>> The Mk1 article shows what might be a manufacturer's license plate with the numbers 2930.  I can't make out the state but it looks like on the left side of the plate there is a "1" stacked vertically over a "U" and  the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically in the center of the plate.  The photo under the hood doesn't show the ID plate.
>>  
>> The Mk2 article shows a license plate that might be from California and on the left side of the plate there is an "18" over an "R" and on the right side is a "4". In the middle of the plate it looks like there are the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically.  Once again, there is no photo showing the ID plate.  
>>  
>> I love looking at the ads in these old magazines.  In the September 1967 issue you could pick up a 1965 Ferrari 275 GTB for $8750.
>>  
>> Have Fun,
>> Joe Brown
>>  
>>  
>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.
>>>  
>>> Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?
>>>  
>>> Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.
>>>  
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>  
>>> From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
>>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>  
>>> It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.  They didn't mention the VIN.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>> 
>>> Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 
>>> To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net>>, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>> 
>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 
>>>  
>>> Jim
>>>                 Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.
>>> Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?
>>>  
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>  
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>>
>>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>  
>>> I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.
>>>  
>>> Jim D
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> 
>>> Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>>> To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>> 
>>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 
>>>  
>>> Jim’s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.
>>>  
>>> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
>>>  
>>> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.
>>>  
>>> They offered its use for just such purposes as we’ve discussed here.
>>>  
>>> Unfortunately I lost their card.
>>>  
>>> Other opportunities exist.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.
>>>>  
>>>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 
>>>>  
>>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf <https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf>
>>>>  
>>>> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>>>>  
>>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf <https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf>
>>>> 
>>>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW…I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>>>>  
>>>> Jim Lindner
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
>>>>> received it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>>>>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
>>>>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com>> 
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>>>>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
>>>>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
>>>>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
>>>>> shops knew not to paint them. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> mayf
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>>>>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>
>>>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>> 
>>>>> Allan
>>>>>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>>>>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>>>>> hinge
>>>>> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>>>>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>>>>> Special is not there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>>>>> screw.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
>>>>> Tigers
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>>>>> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com <mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com>>
>>>>> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>> 
>>>>> These are going on my Forest
>>>>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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