From awtiger at cox.net  Mon May  2 11:10:02 2022
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 12:10:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake rotor turning
Message-ID: <000001d85e47$785b54d0$6911fe70$@cox.net>

Hey, guys:

 

My Tiger appears to have a very slight warpage in one or both front brake
rotors.  Consequently, I'd like to have them turned and trued up.  Does
anyone know what the spec is as to how far the rotors can safely be turned
before they should be discarded?  I have absolutely no idea if my rotors
have ever been turned, but it's probably safe to assume that they have been
at some point.  Any guidance would be appreciated.

 

Thanks much,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon May  2 11:53:57 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 13:53:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake rotor turning
In-Reply-To: <000001d85e47$785b54d0$6911fe70$@cox.net>
References: <000001d85e47$785b54d0$6911fe70$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000d01d85e4d$9a112fe0$ce338fa0$@bluefrog.com>

Andy

                I had to do some searching because this subject was brought
up many years ago.

 

The stock rotor thickness is .505".    

 

I looked at specs for other cars and they indicate around 90% for min
thickness of the rotor = .4545"

 

Here is a comment from Bill Martin

 

I toss rotors that get below .44 and if you look  at the drum there is a
beveled edge on it, if its past  the beveled edge toss it. I think that
bevel is the gauge for the drum.

Just my opinions - Bill Martin

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Andy Walker via
Tigers
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2022 1:10 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Brake rotor turning

 

Hey, guys:

 

My Tiger appears to have a very slight warpage in one or both front brake
rotors.  Consequently, I'd like to have them turned and trued up.  Does
anyone know what the spec is as to how far the rotors can safely be turned
before they should be discarded?  I have absolutely no idea if my rotors
have ever been turned, but it's probably safe to assume that they have been
at some point.  Any guidance would be appreciated.

 

Thanks much,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

 

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon May  2 12:18:19 2022
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:18:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Brake rotor turning
In-Reply-To: <000001d85e47$785b54d0$6911fe70$@cox.net>
References: <000001d85e47$785b54d0$6911fe70$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <80bc65ae-8565-a5c2-bec3-f8e3bd83137c@verizon.net>

Andy I asked a similar question back in 2002 and others continued the 
discussion. I'll paste the relevant reply here in /italic/ and then 
comment at the end.

/I had a few folks ask me to get back with them if I found anything on 
the rotors, therefore I'll post the answer. Below is a definitive 
response from Dan. My new favorite parts store, owned by two brothers 
who are not on computer and still have all sorts of catalogs for parts 
going back to the 60s looked up the rotors and told me the very 
technical answer, "book says throw out at .310". I have not researched 
the drums yet... actually, I still haven't got them to let go of the 
hubs, but I'm in no rush. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Dan & 
Lori Fitzgerald [//mailto:danlorifitz at earthlink.net//] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:57 PM To: Matthew Bouchelle 
Subject: Re: Brake rotor min. thickness Matt, The new rotors are .500 
inch and the minimum is .375 inch. The data came from a factory service 
bulletin. Hope this helps. Dan /

Today's (5-2-22) comment: I took my rotors to Pep Boys back in 2002 and 
the guy there (a Triumph owner) turned them for me. I can't remember if 
they were already in the .440-.450 range or that is what they were 
turned to. At the time the list said the .375 size (much less the .310 
size) stated in the email from Matt was said to be way too thin (I would 
agree). And, I'm not sure where the person named Dan got this factory 
service bulletin from? As a general rule .040-.060 under original size 
is a common number. Anyway, I had a second set of rotors and I dashed 
them over to PB the same day thinking this might be the only chance that 
someone will turn them. Others had indicated that without a modern spec 
available many places refused to turn them. I don't know the 
availability of new rotors. This is a "do at your own (and others) risk" 
thing but measure your rotors then find a rotor that is similar in the 
size you measure. Tell them they are rotors for that similar sized 
vehicle. It may be the only way you get them turned because they likely 
lack data on the Tiger and might say No! Just remember that this is a 
compromised means that limits the braking capability but if no other 
rotors are available it seems better than nothing.



On 5/2/2022 10:10 AM, Andy Walker via Tigers wrote:
>
> Hey, guys:
>
> My Tiger appears to have a very slight warpage in one or both front 
> brake rotors.? Consequently, I?d like to have them turned and trued 
> up.? Does anyone know what the spec is as to how far the rotors can 
> safely be turned before they should be discarded?? I have absolutely 
> no idea if my rotors have ever been turned, but it?s probably safe to 
> assume that they have been at some point.? Any guidance would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Andy Walker
>
> Edmond, OK
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 16:31:44 2022
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:31:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Story of the day.
In-Reply-To: <775747127.3708089.1651529861747@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <775747127.3708089.1651529861747.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <775747127.3708089.1651529861747@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <318330318.115156.1651530704718@mail.yahoo.com>

 ... and it was uninsured.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/florida-ford-gt-owner-crashes-180400871.html
  
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon May  2 16:36:28 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2022 18:36:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Story of the day.
In-Reply-To: <318330318.115156.1651530704718@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <209469327.427791.1651530991905@verizon.net>

More money than brains. What a fool.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Gary via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/2/22  6:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Story of the day. 
        ... and it was uninsured.https://www.yahoo.com/autos/florida-ford-gt-owner-crashes-180400871.html
            
        
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu May  5 15:37:10 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 16:37:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Car Show Sign
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfn2NKn-=tos41coATra2JS=-SFybUJHN7p6xWSS9xvWrA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I'm thinking about entering a local car show this summer and I seem to
remember that somebody shared a file a few years ago for a Tiger display
sign that anybody could edit and use for their own car.  But of course I
can't find it now.  Can anybody point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu May  5 18:14:00 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 20:14:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Car Show Sign
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfn2NKn-=tos41coATra2JS=-SFybUJHN7p6xWSS9xvWrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn2NKn-=tos41coATra2JS=-SFybUJHN7p6xWSS9xvWrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1982874886.3363329.1651796040308@connect.xfinity.com>

I saved this one some time back, the one you are looking for?
I forgot who made it...
Gary

>     On 05/05/2022 5:37 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hey,
> 
>     I'm thinking about entering a local car show this summer and I seem to remember that somebody shared a file a few years ago for a Tiger display sign that anybody could edit and use for their own car.  But of course I can't find it now.  Can anybody point me in the right direction?
> 
>     Thanks,
>     Joe Brown 
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu May  5 21:37:26 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 11:37:26 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Car Show Sign
In-Reply-To: <1982874886.3363329.1651796040308@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn2NKn-=tos41coATra2JS=-SFybUJHN7p6xWSS9xvWrA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1982874886.3363329.1651796040308@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CAET8snVmhUuy0HK9ZfjM_Gjg1tLU=V7qY5sDBwJn5HzsM6Fkiw@mail.gmail.com>

That was the sign i did maybe around 2010..i used to habe them on my
webshots page to download before the site closed.

I also did some A4 ones with specs for MkI and MKII.
I had done custom ones for a few people to match their car spec and
colours...

Ive got a couple quick screen caps of the..  They also print on A2
reasonably well.

The ones in the email are not the proper images so if people want them let
me know.

@Joe Brown drop me a mail.





On Friday, 6 May 2022, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

> I saved this one some time back, the one you are looking for?
> I forgot who made it...
> Gary
>
> On 05/05/2022 5:37 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey,
>
> I'm thinking about entering a local car show this summer and I seem to
> remember that somebody shared a file a few years ago for a Tiger display
> sign that anybody could edit and use for their own car.  But of course I
> can't find it now.  Can anybody point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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-- 
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Tue May 10 14:35:13 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 20:35:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
References: <1694724663.994510.1652214913664.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1694724663.994510.1652214913664@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all!
Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.? It was ready to fall off.? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.
Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Joel


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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Tue May 10 14:57:36 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 16:57:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
In-Reply-To: <1694724663.994510.1652214913664@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <299492527.1460504.1652216269817@verizon.net>

Joel,Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? Part #?560-325https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clipSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/10/22  4:35 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS Hello all!Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.? It was ready to fall off.? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.Any help would be greatly appreciated.Joel
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue May 10 16:12:48 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 17:12:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
In-Reply-To: <299492527.1460504.1652216269817@verizon.net>
References: <1694724663.994510.1652214913664@mail.yahoo.com>
 <299492527.1460504.1652216269817@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnxjAGftxbJpPuwajM7Yb7G318GOOkWs13fXz5XuKidug@mail.gmail.com>

What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when
they were bought by Moss?

Have Fun,
Joe Brown

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.
> Part # 560-325
>
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> Hello all!
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.  It was ready to fall
> off.  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.  Dodged a
> bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Joel
>
>
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>
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Fri May 13 12:09:47 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 14:09:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
Message-ID: <6F6D1C5F-AD51-458C-8D90-B6CF78BA49B4@ix.netcom.com>

I have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge fasteners.

My Mk1a Tiger came to me in fairly original but run down condition.

I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat headed screw and a stud.

The screw was at the end of the hinge that?s above the chassis rubber sealing strip.

Obviously the stud was at the other  end. 

Both were painted the car?s color.

My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by the paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.

So now I have some screws and studs to use if they are correct.

Your information on what?s correct would be appreciated.

TIA,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
Series 1 Alpind V6 T5
-Atlanta, Gas 

Sent from my iPhone

From jliny5 at cox.net  Fri May 13 12:53:59 2022
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 14:53:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <6F6D1C5F-AD51-458C-8D90-B6CF78BA49B4@ix.netcom.com>
References: <6F6D1C5F-AD51-458C-8D90-B6CF78BA49B4@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <625FEF62-301E-4167-A0D6-A597BD5BAE77@cox.net>

Allan

I have been working on the same thing, after losing a half point at last year?s SUNI. I believe You have it correct regarding the screw and stud. I also believe they were NOT painted. I too have sourced some of the original fasteners. The screws did not have any evidence of paint, although a couple of the studs were painted. Attached is a photo that I got of a supposedly original car.

The bolts securing the lid support struts (not shown) are painted.

I am all ears to hear what others say.

Jim

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> On May 13, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge fasteners.
> 
> My Mk1a Tiger came to me in fairly original but run down condition.
> 
> I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat headed screw and a stud.
> 
> The screw was at the end of the hinge that?s above the chassis rubber sealing strip.
> 
> Obviously the stud was at the other  end. 
> 
> Both were painted the car?s color.
> 
> My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by the paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.
> 
> So now I have some screws and studs to use if they are correct.
> 
> Your information on what?s correct would be appreciated.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
> Series 1 Alpind V6 T5
> -Atlanta, Gas 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri May 13 13:03:54 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 15:03:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <6F6D1C5F-AD51-458C-8D90-B6CF78BA49B4@ix.netcom.com>
References: <6F6D1C5F-AD51-458C-8D90-B6CF78BA49B4@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <000001d866fc$326bd8b0$97438a10$@bluefrog.com>

Allan

 

Here is what is listed in the Alpine Parts List ? June 1968

 



 

9050176 is listed under Screws (Hexagonal Headed)

 

Ron Fraser

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via Tigers
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 2:10 PM
To: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge fasteners.

 

My Mk1a Tiger came to me in fairly original but run down condition.

 

I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat headed screw and a stud.

 

The screw was at the end of the hinge that?s above the chassis rubber sealing strip.

 

Obviously the stud was at the other  end. 

 

Both were painted the car?s color.

 

My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by the paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.

 

So now I have some screws and studs to use if they are correct.

 

Your information on what?s correct would be appreciated.

 

TIA,

 

Allan Ballard

Mk1a Tiger

Series 1 Alpind V6 T5

-Atlanta, Gas 

 

Sent from my iPhone

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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Fri May 13 21:00:55 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 23:00:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <000001d866fc$326bd8b0$97438a10$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000001d866fc$326bd8b0$97438a10$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <51AEDF96-8903-4A47-8C0D-79306DFFDDC3@ix.netcom.com>

Ron, thanks.

Here is a picture of them. Thdd we picture is an old, badly maintained Series  IV Alpine.

The were painted but it?s hard to say when these were painted.



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Allan
>  
> Here is what is listed in the Alpine Parts List ? June 1968
>  
> 
>  
> 9050176 is listed under Screws (Hexagonal Headed)
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 2:10 PM
> To: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>  
> I have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge fasteners.
>  
> My Mk1a Tiger came to me in fairly original but run down condition.
>  
> I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat headed screw and a stud.
>  
> The screw was at the end of the hinge that?s above the chassis rubber sealing strip.
>  
> Obviously the stud was at the other  end.
>  
> Both were painted the car?s color.
>  
> My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by the paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.
>  
> So now I have some screws and studs to use if they are correct.
>  
> Your information on what?s correct would be appreciated.
>  
> TIA,
>  
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
> Series 1 Alpind V6 T5
> -Atlanta, Gas
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Fri May 13 21:35:26 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 20:35:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <625FEF62-301E-4167-A0D6-A597BD5BAE77@cox.net>
References: <625FEF62-301E-4167-A0D6-A597BD5BAE77@cox.net>
Message-ID: <77D39A31-23C8-4752-8EC8-76593A07AB69@gmail.com>

My very late SV that sure seemed to be factory paint did not have these painted.  However the screw was particularly flat.  This picture looks like it is more rounded.  The next picture provided shows them more flat like mine.  Also, if I recall correctly, no washer under those screws.  

But that was a late SV and lots of little things like that may have changed over the Tiger years.  

> On May 13, 2022, at 11:54 AM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Allan
> 
> I have been working on the same thing, after losing a half point at last year?s SUNI. I believe You have it correct regarding the screw and stud. I also believe they were NOT painted. I too have sourced some of the original fasteners. The screws did not have any evidence of paint, although a couple of the studs were painted. Attached is a photo that I got of a supposedly original car.
> 
> The bolts securing the lid support struts (not shown) are painted.
> 
> I am all ears to hear what others say.
> 
> Jim
> 
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> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 13, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge fasteners.
>> 
>> My Mk1a Tiger came to me in fairly original but run down condition.
>> 
>> I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat headed screw and a stud.
>> 
>> The screw was at the end of the hinge that?s above the chassis rubber sealing strip.
>> 
>> Obviously the stud was at the other  end. 
>> 
>> Both were painted the car?s color.
>> 
>> My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by the paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.
>> 
>> So now I have some screws and studs to use if they are correct.
>> 
>> Your information on what?s correct would be appreciated.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1a Tiger
>> Series 1 Alpind V6 T5
>> -Atlanta, Gas 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Fri May 13 23:38:30 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 01:38:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <77D39A31-23C8-4752-8EC8-76593A07AB69@gmail.com>
References: <77D39A31-23C8-4752-8EC8-76593A07AB69@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74A750DD-3B56-410A-A7A2-27E3A08CC745@ix.netcom.com>

These are going on my Forest 
Green Mk1a Tiger:


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> On May 13, 2022, at 11:35 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My very late SV that sure seemed to be factory paint did not have these painted.  However the screw was particularly flat.  This picture looks like it is more rounded.  The next picture provided shows them more flat like mine.  Also, if I recall correctly, no washer under those screws.  
> 
> But that was a late SV and lots of little things like that may have changed over the Tiger years.  
> 
>> On May 13, 2022, at 11:54 AM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Allan
>> 
>> I have been working on the same thing, after losing a half point at last year?s SUNI. I believe You have it correct regarding the screw and stud. I also believe they were NOT painted. I too have sourced some of the original fasteners. The screws did not have any evidence of paint, although a couple of the studs were painted. Attached is a photo that I got of a supposedly original car.
>> 
>> The bolts securing the lid support struts (not shown) are painted.
>> 
>> I am all ears to hear what others say.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On May 13, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I have an obscure question regarding originality and trunk hinge fasteners.
>>> 
>>> My Mk1a Tiger came to me in fairly original but run down condition.
>>> 
>>> I noticed the trunk hinges were attached to the trunk lid by a flat headed screw and a stud.
>>> 
>>> The screw was at the end of the hinge that?s above the chassis rubber sealing strip.
>>> 
>>> Obviously the stud was at the other  end. 
>>> 
>>> Both were painted the car?s color.
>>> 
>>> My car was painted a few years ago and this detail was not respected by the paint shop who  used common bolts in place of a screw and a stud.
>>> 
>>> So now I have some screws and studs to use if they are correct.
>>> 
>>> Your information on what?s correct would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> 
>>> Allan Ballard
>>> Mk1a Tiger
>>> Series 1 Alpind V6 T5
>>> -Atlanta, Gas 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat May 14 05:55:42 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 07:55:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <74A750DD-3B56-410A-A7A2-27E3A08CC745@ix.netcom.com>
References: <77D39A31-23C8-4752-8EC8-76593A07AB69@gmail.com>
 <74A750DD-3B56-410A-A7A2-27E3A08CC745@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d86789$8aba3830$a02ea890$@bluefrog.com>

Allan
	The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
hinge
2203571	Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest 
Green Mk1a Tiger:




From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat May 14 06:36:21 2022
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 08:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <001c01d86789$8aba3830$a02ea890$@bluefrog.com>
References: <001c01d86789$8aba3830$a02ea890$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <388488EA-30A8-4157-8755-2BB695986341@cox.net>

Just to confuse the matter more?there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT painted?but the studs are painted.

I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.

Jim

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Sent from my iPad

> On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Allan
>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
> 
> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
> 
> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
> hinge
> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
> Special is not there.
> 
> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
> 
> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
> screw.
> 
> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
> Tigers
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> 
> These are going on my Forest 
> Green Mk1a Tiger:
> 
> 
> 
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Sat May 14 08:22:35 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 14:22:35 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
Message-ID: <16546c9a-9c1b-1d88-0d1d-e063b5051959@ix.netcom.com>

I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
?
Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.
?
It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.
?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: James Lindner 
Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM
To: Ron Fraser 
Cc: Allan Ballard , 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
?
Just to confuse the matter more?there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT painted?but the studs are painted.
?
I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.
?
Jim
?
?
?
?
Sent from my iPad
?
> On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> Allan
> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>
> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>
> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
> hinge
> 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
> Special is not there.
>
> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>
> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
> screw.
>
> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
> Tigers
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> To: Jay Laifman
> Cc: Tiger List List
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
> These are going on my Forest
> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>
>
>
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?

From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Sat May 14 09:00:48 2022
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 11:00:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <16546c9a-9c1b-1d88-0d1d-e063b5051959@ix.netcom.com>
References: <16546c9a-9c1b-1d88-0d1d-e063b5051959@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hYMZLsRYdWhB8RytadLFPg6kHZG4XMbAa-4g0jiWXLy_w@mail.gmail.com>

I saw that Tiger on eBay too.  Looked like a very original car.  I noted
though that the plug wires were numbered wrong (pic attached).  You would
think that for $135K that they could number the plug wires correctly.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 10:22 AM Allan Ballard via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being
> inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
>
> Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not
> reliable to say.
>
> It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its
> contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Lindner
> Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM
> To: Ron Fraser
> Cc: Allan Ballard ,
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
> Just to confuse the matter more?there is a supposedly all-original
> survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge
> screws as NOT painted?but the studs are painted.
>
> I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was
> worth sharing.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
> >
> > Allan
> > The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
> >
> > The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> > The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
> >
> > The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the
> trunk
> > hinge
> > 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> > This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the
> word
> > Special is not there.
> >
> > This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
> >
> > Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license
> plate
> > screw.
> >
> > I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
> >
> > Ron Fraser
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
> > Tigers
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> > To: Jay Laifman
> > Cc: Tiger List List
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> >
> > These are going on my Forest
> > Green Mk1a Tiger:
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > tigers at autox.team.net
> >
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat May 14 09:03:16 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 11:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <16546c9a-9c1b-1d88-0d1d-e063b5051959@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <549588596.229753.1652540606748@verizon.net>

Pictured is a NOS trunk hinge.? The studs came with the hinge but no screw or nuts.? Some of the used hinges I have show no paint on the fasteners. Some do, but they have overspray on the hinge from a repaint.? Even my originals have paint from a respray before I owned it. It's hard to believe they would be painted from the factory because the hinge would have to be masked.? The other picture is the stainless hardware I will be using.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/14/22  10:25 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.?Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.?It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.??-----Original Message-----From: James Lindner Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AMTo: Ron Fraser Cc: Allan Ballard , Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners?Just to confuse the matter more?there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT painted?but the studs are painted.?I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.?Jim????Sent from my iPad?> On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:>> Allan> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk> hinge> 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word> Special is not there.>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate> screw.>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.>> Ron Fraser>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via> Tigers> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM> To: Jay Laifman> Cc: Tiger List List> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners>> These are going on my Forest> Green Mk1a Tiger:>>>> _______________________________________________>> tigers at autox.team.net>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html> Archive:? http://autox.team.net/archive (http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers)>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net>>?_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio at verizon.net
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat May 14 09:32:47 2022
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 08:32:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <16546c9a-9c1b-1d88-0d1d-e063b5051959@ix.netcom.com>
References: <16546c9a-9c1b-1d88-0d1d-e063b5051959@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <0adac6f3-cb0f-8a60-b756-08fe6e9aebdc@verizon.net>

When one considers the hinge is chrome, not body color it stands to 
reason that the body and trunk (boot) were painted and then the three 
pieces assembled. IF..., in fact the stud is painted at the factory it 
might be that the topside was painted, the hinge attached by the stud 
only and then hung to paint the underside. Just a guess but at least a 
possibility (not trying to create a big hammer on the firewall urban 
legend here).

On 5/14/2022 7:22 AM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:
> I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
>   
> Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.
>   
> It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.
>   
>   
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Lindner
> Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM
> To: Ron Fraser
> Cc: Allan Ballard ,
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>   
> Just to confuse the matter more?there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT painted?but the studs are painted.
>   
> I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.
>   
> Jim
>   
>   
>   
>   
> Sent from my iPad
>   
>> On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>>
>> Allan
>> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>
>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>
>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>> hinge
>> 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>> Special is not there.
>>
>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>
>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>> screw.
>>
>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
>> Tigers
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>> To: Jay Laifman
>> Cc: Tiger List List
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>
>> These are going on my Forest
>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From douglasalyle at yahoo.com  Sat May 14 09:50:38 2022
From: douglasalyle at yahoo.com (Douglas Lyle)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 15:50:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <0adac6f3-cb0f-8a60-b756-08fe6e9aebdc@verizon.net>
References: <16546c9a-9c1b-1d88-0d1d-e063b5051959@ix.netcom.com>
 <0adac6f3-cb0f-8a60-b756-08fe6e9aebdc@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1469749660.2584197.1652543438318@mail.yahoo.com>

 There is some truth to the hammer on the firewall.?? I can tell you that the Shelby Prototype Tiger still has the indented hammer marks in the firewall from when it went back to Shelby to get a 289 installed.?? I can also tell you George Boskoff hated that modification and told me I needed to fix it before taking the car to Tigers United.?? He didn't want anyone thinking that it was him making that modification as he would have done it with a little more finesse.


Jere Kirkpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tiger Prototype.

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    On Saturday, May 14, 2022, 08:33:15 AM PDT, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 When one considers the hinge is chrome, not body color it stands to 
reason that the body and trunk (boot) were painted and then the three 
pieces assembled. IF..., in fact the stud is painted at the factory it 
might be that the topside was painted, the hinge attached by the stud 
only and then hung to paint the underside. Just a guess but at least a 
possibility (not trying to create a big hammer on the firewall urban 
legend here).

On 5/14/2022 7:22 AM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:
> I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
>? 
> Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.
>? 
> It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.
>? 
>? 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Lindner
> Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM
> To: Ron Fraser
> Cc: Allan Ballard ,
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>? 
> Just to confuse the matter more?there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT painted?but the studs are painted.
>? 
> I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.
>? 
> Jim
>? 
>? 
>? 
>? 
> Sent from my iPad
>? 
>> On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>>
>> Allan
>> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>
>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>
>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>> hinge
>> 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>> Special is not there.
>>
>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>
>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>> screw.
>>
>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
>> Tigers
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>> To: Jay Laifman
>> Cc: Tiger List List
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>
>> These are going on my Forest
>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sat May 14 10:25:03 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 09:25:03 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <1469749660.2584197.1652543438318@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1469749660.2584197.1652543438318@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25FB3575-70BB-450A-8B7A-730BE5EA977B@gmail.com>

These comments about the painted stud and nut has revived some shadowy memories.  I am thinking that maybe that is what mine was.  Though on that red eBay one, the screws look too tall/domed and shiny to me.  

> On May 14, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Douglas Lyle via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> There is some truth to the hammer on the firewall.   I can tell you that the Shelby Prototype Tiger still has the indented hammer marks in the firewall from when it went back to Shelby to get a 289 installed.   I can also tell you George Boskoff hated that modification and told me I needed to fix it before taking the car to Tigers United.   He didn't want anyone thinking that it was him making that modification as he would have done it with a little more finesse.
> 
> 
> Jere Kirkpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tiger Prototype.
> 
> 	
> Jere Kirkpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tige...
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022, 08:33:15 AM PDT, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> When one considers the hinge is chrome, not body color it stands to 
> reason that the body and trunk (boot) were painted and then the three 
> pieces assembled. IF..., in fact the stud is painted at the factory it 
> might be that the topside was painted, the hinge attached by the stud 
> only and then hung to paint the underside. Just a guess but at least a 
> possibility (not trying to create a big hammer on the firewall urban 
> legend here).
> 
> On 5/14/2022 7:22 AM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:
> > I'm guessing the purpose of a flat screw is to avoid damage being inflicted upon the rubber trunk seal which is immediately below.
> >  
> > Whether it should be painted or not, my sparse few examples are not reliable to say.
> >  
> > It occurs to me that leaving it unpainted makes practical sense given its contact with the rubber trunk seal, which would rub off the paint over time.
> >  
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Lindner
> > Sent: May 14, 2022 8:36 AM
> > To: Ron Fraser
> > Cc: Allan Ballard ,
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> >  
> > Just to confuse the matter more?there is a supposedly all-original survivor for sale on eBay. In the photo of the trunk it shows the hinge screws as NOT painted?but the studs are painted.
> >  
> > I know the claim of all original could be suspect, but thought it was worth sharing.
> >  
> > Jim
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Sent from my iPad
> >  
> >> On May 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
> >>
> >> Allan
> >> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
> >>
> >> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> >> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
> >>
> >> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
> >> hinge
> >> 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> >> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
> >> Special is not there.
> >>
> >> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
> >>
> >> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
> >> screw.
> >>
> >> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
> >>
> >> Ron Fraser
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tigers On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
> >> Tigers
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> >> To: Jay Laifman
> >> Cc: Tiger List List
> >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> >>
> >> These are going on my Forest
> >> Green Mk1a Tiger:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun May 15 09:32:49 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 11:32:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <003a01d867a1$c2fdd400$48f97c00$@mayfco.com>
References: <77D39A31-23C8-4752-8EC8-76593A07AB69@gmail.com>
 <74A750DD-3B56-410A-A7A2-27E3A08CC745@ix.netcom.com>
 <001c01d86789$8aba3830$a02ea890$@bluefrog.com>
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Message-ID: <000001d86871$0a5f98e0$1f1ecaa0$@bluefrog.com>

Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
received it.

What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.

Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them. 

mayf

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan
	The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
hinge
2203571	Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest
Green Mk1a Tiger:



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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Sun May 15 10:04:42 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:04:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <000001d86871$0a5f98e0$1f1ecaa0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000001d86871$0a5f98e0$1f1ecaa0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <C3C2983B-F67C-4070-AA37-747275D05BE4@ix.netcom.com>

Thanks Ron and all 

We have a big  ?All British? show this time of year.  I like to enter even though  a driver doesn?t stand a chance :)

These little details are important and I enjoy getting them right.

A photo record of each series would constitute an invaluable resource.

Allan Ballard
-Atlanta  



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2022, at 11:33 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
> received it.
> 
> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
> 
> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> 
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> 
> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
> shops knew not to paint them. 
> 
> mayf
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> 
> Allan
>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
> 
> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
> 
> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
> hinge
> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
> Special is not there.
> 
> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
> 
> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
> screw.
> 
> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
> Tigers
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> 
> These are going on my Forest
> Green Mk1a Tiger:
> 
> 
> 
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Sun May 15 10:39:33 2022
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:39:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <000001d86871$0a5f98e0$1f1ecaa0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000001d86871$0a5f98e0$1f1ecaa0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <9417BF05-00C3-49FB-9B40-A1A6AAD59388@cox.net>

Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.

The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf

The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf

These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.

Jim Lindner


Sent from my iPad

> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
> received it.
> 
> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
> 
> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> 
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> 
> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
> shops knew not to paint them. 
> 
> mayf
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> 
> Allan
>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
> 
> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
> 
> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
> hinge
> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
> Special is not there.
> 
> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
> 
> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
> screw.
> 
> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
> Tigers
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> 
> These are going on my Forest
> Green Mk1a Tiger:
> 
> 
> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun May 15 13:05:04 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 15:05:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tiger on Ebay
Message-ID: <000501d8688e$b0e82c00$12b88400$@bluefrog.com>

Will

                Actually the wires are numbered correctly and they appear to be an original replacement set but they are on the wrong side of the engine.

The heater hose has the correct texture.

The coil might be a replacement with no visible ink stamp ? the coil contacts should be turned to the bottom position.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:01 AM
To: aballard at ix.netcom.com
Cc: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Tiger Server <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I saw that Tiger on eBay too.  Looked like a very original car.  I noted though that the plug wires were numbered wrong (pic attached).  You would think that for $135K that they could number the plug wires correctly.

 

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun May 15 13:28:24 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 15:28:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] burly men with BFH
Message-ID: <001001d86891$f3050a10$d90f1e30$@bluefrog.com>

Ah yes, the Bury Men with the big hammers will never die because it was written in a book so it must be true.

 

I do believe that some of the early Tigers did have some hammering done to the sheet metal.   I also believe that the craftsmen who were shaping the metal would use body working tools that would limit any hammer marks.

 

I?m sure it took Rootes engineering time to develop the correct metal parts to cover the Ford bellhousing and transmission.

It is possible that Jensen had to message the metal some to install it on the production line but my guess is that Rootes and Jensen required bare minimum extra work.   Extra work means extra time and expense.

 

A Burly man with a big hammer does not make any sense for mass production, it is a wives tale that will never die because it was written in a book.   It would take a team of Burly men to meet production and a team of Burly men costs money.

 

As for the Shelby Prototype, quick and fast install required some hammer time.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Douglas Lyle via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:51 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

There is some truth to the hammer on the firewall.   I can tell you that the Shelby Prototype Tiger still has the indented hammer marks in the firewall from when it went back to Shelby to get a 289 installed.   I can also tell you George Boskoff hated that modification and told me I needed to fix it before taking the car to Tigers United.   He didn't want anyone thinking that it was him making that modification as he would have done it with a little more finesse.

 

 

 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzxRyWlDTss&t=2s> Jere Kirkpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tiger Prototype.

 



 







  <https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/youtube.png> 


Jere Kirkpatrick - installation of a HiPo 289 in the Shelby Sunbeam Tige...


 

 

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From spmdr at juno.com  Sun May 15 13:48:22 2022
From: spmdr at juno.com (DW)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:48:22 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Big Hammer in Production
Message-ID: <b98e31a7-9f51-aad4-513e-786344d92d58@juno.com>

If you KNOW the mods done during Tiger production, You know they DID use 
a BIG hammer.

BUT, it has little to do with the Firewall.

Study the WORD Bulkhead...

DW


From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun May 15 13:59:39 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 15:59:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Big Hammer in Production
In-Reply-To: <b98e31a7-9f51-aad4-513e-786344d92d58@juno.com>
References: <b98e31a7-9f51-aad4-513e-786344d92d58@juno.com>
Message-ID: <2061116517.292779.1652644779803@connect.xfinity.com>

Well, I am not a TAC guy but starting in 1971...

My vote is for the hammer used at the "frame rail"  where Tiger exhaust
manifold clearance was needed.  In 1971, I discovered this area in my new
to me, 6 year old Tiger... my mind went into overtime contemplating the 
major front end wreck...  actually I started looking around when I
discovered the steering geometry was all messed up...
IF I wasn't an engineer, it would have save me a lot of grief...
Gary W

> On 05/15/2022 3:48 PM DW via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> If you KNOW the mods done during Tiger production, You know they DID use 
> a BIG hammer.
> 
> BUT, it has little to do with the Firewall.
> 
> Study the WORD Bulkhead...
> 
> DW
> 
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> 
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> 
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Sun May 15 14:32:52 2022
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 16:32:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tiger on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <000501d8688e$b0e82c00$12b88400$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000501d8688e$b0e82c00$12b88400$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0haPWxJ3jX6rPiVZhqyMP+Zo-ciH7t9VMQ8Qsb+h5mG0oA@mail.gmail.com>

Ron,
I agree that the wires are likely an original replacement set.  Probably
got them from CJ Pony, same as I did.  I'm surprised that the lengths
worked out with a left-right swap.  Guess there's some left-right symmetry
that I haven't heard about.  My point, however, was that this guy is asking
top dollar for the car, citing concourse wins and touting that the car was
used as a reference for the Hagerty restoration.  In that context it seems
to me that the wire swap is a serious lack of attention to detail.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 3:05 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Will
>
>                 Actually the wires are numbered correctly and they appear
> to be an original replacement set but they are on the wrong side of the
> engine.
>
> The heater hose has the correct texture.
>
> The coil might be a replacement with no visible ink stamp ? the coil
> contacts should be turned to the bottom position.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:01 AM
> *To:* aballard at ix.netcom.com
> *Cc:* James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>;
> Tiger Server <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
>
>
> I saw that Tiger on eBay too.  Looked like a very original car.  I noted
> though that the plug wires were numbered wrong (pic attached).  You would
> think that for $135K that they could number the plug wires correctly.
>
>
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>
>
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun May 15 15:55:59 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 17:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tiger on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0haPWxJ3jX6rPiVZhqyMP+Zo-ciH7t9VMQ8Qsb+h5mG0oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501d8688e$b0e82c00$12b88400$@bluefrog.com>
 <CAMRx0haPWxJ3jX6rPiVZhqyMP+Zo-ciH7t9VMQ8Qsb+h5mG0oA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01d868a6$9145f310$b3d1d930$@bluefrog.com>

Will

                Absolutely correct, if you?re paying big bucks for the car, these details should be correct.

It would be interesting if there were other pictures of the engine bay to see if there are any other errors.

 

I believe if you checked you would find that the wires have sufficient length to swap them side to side.   Many of the current ignition wire sets also have extra length to cover several engine configurations.

 

I looked in Bob Mannel?s book and he lists the lengths of the wires.

1 = 28?  2 = 23    3 = 26    4 = 23    5 = 24    6 = 26    7 = 25    8 = 28    so yes, there is room there to swap side to side.

 

The restorer should have caught that mistake.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 4:33 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: aballard at ix.netcom.com; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>; Tiger Server <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: tiger on Ebay

 

Ron,

I agree that the wires are likely an original replacement set.  Probably got them from CJ Pony, same as I did.  I'm surprised that the lengths worked out with a left-right swap.  Guess there's some left-right symmetry that I haven't heard about.  My point, however, was that this guy is asking top dollar for the car, citing concourse wins and touting that the car was used as a reference for the Hagerty restoration.  In that context it seems to me that the wire swap is a serious lack of attention to detail.

 

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 

 

 

On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 3:05 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Will

                Actually the wires are numbered correctly and they appear to be an original replacement set but they are on the wrong side of the engine.

The heater hose has the correct texture.

The coil might be a replacement with no visible ink stamp ? the coil contacts should be turned to the bottom position.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:01 AM
To: aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> 
Cc: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> >; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >; Tiger Server <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I saw that Tiger on eBay too.  Looked like a very original car.  I noted though that the plug wires were numbered wrong (pic attached).  You would think that for $135K that they could number the plug wires correctly.

 

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 

 

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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Sun May 15 17:35:52 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 19:35:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <9417BF05-00C3-49FB-9B40-A1A6AAD59388@cox.net>
References: <9417BF05-00C3-49FB-9B40-A1A6AAD59388@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E90AAB72-6E39-4396-BCBD-3FD1A125BAC8@ix.netcom.com>

Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.

They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.

Unfortunately I lost their card.

Other opportunities exist.



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.
> 
> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 
> 
> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf
> 
> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
> 
> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
> 
> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
> 
> Jim Lindner
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
>> received it.
>> 
>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>> 
>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>> 
>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
>> shops knew not to paint them. 
>> 
>> mayf
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>> 
>> Allan
>>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>> 
>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>> 
>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>> hinge
>> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>> Special is not there.
>> 
>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>> 
>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>> screw.
>> 
>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
>> Tigers
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>> 
>> These are going on my Forest
>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sun May 15 18:39:20 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 20:39:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <E90AAB72-6E39-4396-BCBD-3FD1A125BAC8@ix.netcom.com>
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I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.? You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.? I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/15/22  7:36 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of ?his primary resource.A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.Unfortunately I lost their card.Other opportunities exist.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep.?https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdfThe Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdfThese are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.Jim LindnerSent from my iPadOn May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the Listreceived it.What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with anoriginal Tiger to send photos to the List.Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AMTo: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersRon, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal andstud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. ?None arepainted. ?And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paintshops knew not to paint them. mayf-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron FraserSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AMTo: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersAllan ? ?The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunkhinge2203571 ? ?Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" SpecialThis screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wordSpecial is not there.This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license platescrew.I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard viaTigersSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AMTo: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersThese are going on my ForestGreen Mk1a Tiger:_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.com_______________________________________________tigers@autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net_______________________________________________tigers@autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard at ix.netcom.com
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Mon May 16 05:48:24 2022
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:48:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 161
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A note on trunk hindges, if you bought some reproduction units and they came with fasteners, you might find they are 6mm thread instead of 1/4-28, i drilled mine slightly and helicoiled to 1/4-28 so i could use correct fasteners
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I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.? You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.? I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/15/22? 7:36 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of ?his primary resource.A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.Unfortunately I lost their card.Other opportunities exist.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from som
 e of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep.?https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdfThe Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdfThese are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.Jim LindnerSent from my iPadOn May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the Listreceived it.What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with anoriginal Tiger to send photos to the List.Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B
 947, B948, B382 and B3821.I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AMTo: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersRon, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal andstud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. ?None arepainted. ?And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paintshops knew not to paint them. mayf-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron FraserSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AMTo: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersAllan ? ?The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.The March 1963 shows
? this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunkhinge2203571 ? ?Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" SpecialThis screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wordSpecial is not there.This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license platescrew.I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard viaTigersSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AMTo: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersThese are going on my ForestGreen Mk1a Tiger:_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.co
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon May 16 05:59:12 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 07:59:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
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Jim

                Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.

Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

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From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>  

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

 

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.

 

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.

 

They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.

 

Unfortunately I lost their card.

 

Other opportunities exist.

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.

 

The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf

 

The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf

These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.

 

Jim Lindner

 

 

Sent from my iPad





On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
received it.

What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.

Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them. 

mayf

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan
   The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
hinge
2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
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Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest
Green Mk1a Tiger:



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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon May 16 06:29:59 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 08:29:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
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It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.? They didn't mention the VIN.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 5/16/22  7:59 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners Jim??????????????? Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II??Ron Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PMTo: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>Cc: Tigers at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners?I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.? You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.? I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.?Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy??-------- Original message --------From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners ?Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.?A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of ?his primary resource.?A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.?They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.?Unfortunately I lost their card.?Other opportunities exist.???Sent from my iPhoneOn May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.?The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep.??https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf?The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.?https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdfThese are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.?Jim Lindner??Sent from my iPadOn May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the Listreceived it.What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with anoriginal Tiger to send photos to the List.Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AMTo: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersRon, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal andstud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. ?None arepainted. ?And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paintshops knew not to paint them. mayf-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron FraserSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AMTo: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersAllan? ?The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunkhinge2203571 ? ?Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" SpecialThis screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wordSpecial is not there.This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license platescrew.I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard viaTigersSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AMTo: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersThese are going on my ForestGreen Mk1a Tiger:_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.com_______________________________________________tigers@autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net_______________________________________________tigers@autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard at ix.netcom.com
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon May 16 06:39:52 2022
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 08:39:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
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Allan

If you do not mind, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. If OK and you have any more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I tried making copies of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a copy and then enlarging just does not work.

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.
> 
> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
> 
> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.
> 
> They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.
> 
> Unfortunately I lost their card.
> 
> Other opportunities exist.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.
>> 
>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 
>> 
>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf
>> 
>> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>> 
>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
>> 
>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>> 
>> Jim Lindner
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
>>> received it.
>>> 
>>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>>> 
>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
>>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> Ron Fraser
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>> 
>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
>>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
>>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
>>> shops knew not to paint them. 
>>> 
>>> mayf
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>> 
>>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>> 
>>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>>> hinge
>>> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>>> Special is not there.
>>> 
>>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>> 
>>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>>> screw.
>>> 
>>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>> 
>>> Ron Fraser
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
>>> Tigers
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>>> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>> 
>>> These are going on my Forest
>>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
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>>> 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon May 16 06:48:16 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 08:48:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <926FB97E-3182-4D17-A56B-15A51B64B7CC@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1112871206.504234.1652705300771@verizon.net>

Jim,They were my photos and you can use them as you like.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> Date: 5/16/22  8:40 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners AllanIf you do not mind, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. If OK and you have any more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I tried making copies of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a copy and then enlarging just does not work.ThanksJimSent from my iPadOn May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> wrote:?Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of ?his primary resource.A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.Unfortunately I lost their card.Other opportunities exist.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep.?https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdfThe Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdfThese are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.Jim LindnerSent from my iPadOn May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the Listreceived it.What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with anoriginal Tiger to send photos to the List.Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AMTo: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersRon, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal andstud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. ?None arepainted. ?And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paintshops knew not to paint them. mayf-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron FraserSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AMTo: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersAllan ? ?The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunkhinge2203571 ? ?Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" SpecialThis screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wordSpecial is not there.This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license platescrew.I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard viaTigersSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AMTo: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersThese are going on my ForestGreen Mk1a Tiger:_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.com_______________________________________________tigers@autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net_______________________________________________tigers@autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard at ix.netcom.com
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon May 16 06:53:07 2022
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 08:53:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <1112871206.504234.1652705300771@verizon.net>
References: <1112871206.504234.1652705300771@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D8165A63-F6F4-4E08-AD6E-92ED00C6A73B@cox.net>

Jim

Sorry, I lost track of the email string. Thanks.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On May 16, 2022, at 8:48 AM, jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jim,
> 
> They were my photos and you can use them as you like.
> 
> Jim D
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
> Date: 5/16/22 8:40 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
> 
> Allan
> 
> If you do not mind, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. If OK and you have any more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I tried making copies of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a copy and then enlarging just does not work.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.
>> 
>> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
>> 
>> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.
>> 
>> They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.
>> 
>> Unfortunately I lost their card.
>> 
>> Other opportunities exist.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.
>>> 
>>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf
>>> 
>>> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>>> 
>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
>>> 
>>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>>> 
>>> Jim Lindner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> ?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
>>>> received it.
>>>> 
>>>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>>>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>>>> 
>>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
>>>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> 
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>>>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>> 
>>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
>>>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
>>>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
>>>> shops knew not to paint them. 
>>>> 
>>>> mayf
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>>>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
>>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>> 
>>>> Allan
>>>>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>>> 
>>>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>>>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>>> 
>>>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>>>> hinge
>>>> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>>>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>>>> Special is not there.
>>>> 
>>>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>>> 
>>>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>>>> screw.
>>>> 
>>>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>>> 
>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
>>>> Tigers
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>>>> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>> 
>>>> These are going on my Forest
>>>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> 
>>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>>> 
>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon May 16 13:46:06 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 15:46:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <1678449212.378974.1652704209692@verizon.net>
References: <000201d8691c$5d3d2a40$17b77ec0$@bluefrog.com>
 <1678449212.378974.1652704209692@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001f01d8695d$96c53050$c44f90f0$@bluefrog.com>

Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.

 

Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?

 

Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.  They didn't mention the VIN.

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 

Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 

To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>  

Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim

                Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.

Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>  

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

 

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.

 

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.

 

They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.

 

Unfortunately I lost their card.

 

Other opportunities exist.

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.

 

The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf

 

The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf

These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.

 

Jim Lindner

 

 

Sent from my iPad

 

On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
received it.

What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.

Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them. 

mayf

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan
   The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
hinge
2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com <mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com> >
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest
Green Mk1a Tiger:



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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 14:24:53 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 15:24:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <001f01d8695d$96c53050$c44f90f0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000201d8691c$5d3d2a40$17b77ec0$@bluefrog.com>
 <1678449212.378974.1652704209692@verizon.net>
 <001f01d8695d$96c53050$c44f90f0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfkr5PEUk5GwUuo80kJYHxNTc_rbh=GAq1cCjdZa=nkjCA@mail.gmail.com>

I have both of the magazines.

The Mk1 article shows what might be a manufacturer's license plate with the
numbers 2930.  I can't make out the state but it looks like on the left
side of the plate there is a "1" stacked vertically over a "U" and  the
letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically in the center of the plate.
The photo under the hood doesn't show the ID plate.

The Mk2 article shows a license plate that might be from California and on
the left side of the plate there is an "18" over an "R" and on the right
side is a "4". In the middle of the plate it looks like there are the
letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically.  Once again, there is no photo
showing the ID plate.

I love looking at the ads in these old magazines.  In the September 1967
issue you could pick up a 1965 Ferrari 275 GTB for $8750.

Have Fun,
Joe Brown


On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964
> issue.
>
>
>
> Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?
>
>
>
> Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would
> be great.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> *Cc:* tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> *Subject:* RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
>
>
> It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64
> for the MKI.  They didn't mention the VIN.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>
> Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, 'Allan Ballard' <
> aballard at ix.netcom.com>, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>
>
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>                 Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.
>
> Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin
> # of that Mk II?
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *jimdamelio
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
> *To:* Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; James Lindner <
> jliny5 at cox.net>
> *Cc:* Tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
>
>
> I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by
> Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies
> of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI,
> but they couldn't find them.
>
>
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
>
>
> Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.
>
>
>
> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help
> however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
>
>
>
> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II
> Tiger.
>
>
>
> They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately I lost their card.
>
>
>
> Other opportunities exist.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and
> Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to
> put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the
> information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger
> and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is
> pretty close.
>
>
>
> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too
> deep.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf
>
>
>
> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
>
> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be
> adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other
> updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>
>
>
> Jim Lindner
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> ?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
> received it.
>
> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>
> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
> shops knew not to paint them.
>
> mayf
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
> Allan
>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>
> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>
> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
> hinge
> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
> Special is not there.
>
> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>
> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license
> plate
> screw.
>
> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> via
> Tigers
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>
> These are going on my Forest
> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>
>
>
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From dnmwilson at aol.com  Mon May 16 16:36:18 2022
From: dnmwilson at aol.com (dnmwilson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 22:36:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15,
 Issue 165 - Copies of Tiger Articles
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1148.1652730379.5604.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1148.1652730379.5604.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1712465627.2277960.1652740578102@mail.yahoo.com>

C.A.T. Membership Chairman Brian Glenn put together a fantastic spreadsheet with links to scans of most Tiger articles.? Go to the C.A.T. Forum and look for a link to his spreadsheet under Latest resources (on the right side of the page).? Or use this link:
https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/resources/sunbeam-tiger-publication-database-march-1962-through-december-1968.41/

We all owe Brian our deep gratitude for putting this information together and having it available to one and all on the C.A.T. Forum.
David

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To: "'jimdamelio'" <jimdamelio at verizon.net>
Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
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Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.

 

Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?

 

Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.? They didn't mention the VIN.

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 

Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 

To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>? 

Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.

Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.? You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.? I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>? 

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

 

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of? his primary resource.

 

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.

 

They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.

 

Unfortunately I lost their card.

 

Other opportunities exist.

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.

 

The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf

 

The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf

These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.

 

Jim Lindner

 

 

Sent from my iPad

 

On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
received it.

What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.

Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.? None are
painted.? And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them. 

mayf

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan
? The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
hinge
2203571? ? Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com <mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com> >
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest
Green Mk1a Tiger:



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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon May 16 17:38:19 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 19:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15,
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In-Reply-To: <1712465627.2277960.1652740578102@mail.yahoo.com>
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Unfortunately you have to be a C.A.T member to view it.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: DnMWilson--- via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/16/22  6:37 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 165 - Copies of Tiger Articles 
C.A.T. Membership Chairman Brian Glenn put together a fantastic spreadsheet with links to scans of most Tiger articles.? Go to the C.A.T. Forum and look for a link to his spreadsheet under Latest resources (on the right side of the page).? Or use this link:



https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/resources/sunbeam-tiger-publication-database-march-1962-through-december-1968.41/

We all owe Brian our deep gratitude for putting this information together and having it available to one and all on the C.A.T. Forum.


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From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>


To: "'jimdamelio'" <jimdamelio at verizon.net>


Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>


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Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.





 





Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?





 





Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.





 





Ron Fraser





 





From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> 


Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM


To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>


Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net


Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners





 





It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.? They didn't mention the VIN.





 





 





 





Sent from my Galaxy





 





 





-------- Original message --------





From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 





Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 





To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 





Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>? 





Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 





 





Jim





? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.





Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?





 





Ron Fraser





 





From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers


Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM


To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> >


Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 


Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners





 





I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.? You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.? I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.





 





Jim D





 





 





 





Sent from my Galaxy





 





 





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From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 





Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 





To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 





Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>? 





Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 





 





Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.





 





A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of? his primary resource.





 





A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.





 





They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.





 





Unfortunately I lost their card.





 





Other opportunities exist.





 





 





 





Sent from my iPhone





 





On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:





?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.





 





The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 





 





https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf





 





The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.





 





https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf





These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.





 





Jim Lindner





 





 





Sent from my iPad





 





On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:





?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List


received it.





What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an


original Tiger to send photos to the List.





Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.


I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.





Ron Fraser





-----Original Message-----


From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > 


Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM


To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >


Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners





Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and


stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.? None are


painted.? And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint


shops knew not to paint them. 





mayf





-----Original Message-----


From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser


Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM


To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >


Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 


Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners





Allan


?  The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.





The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.


The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.





The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk


hinge


2203571? ? Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special


This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word


Special is not there.





This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.





Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate


screw.





I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.





Ron Fraser








-----Original Message-----


From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via


Tigers


Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM


To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com <mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com> >


Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >


Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners





These are going on my Forest


Green Mk1a Tiger:











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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon May 16 17:43:50 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 19:43:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfkr5PEUk5GwUuo80kJYHxNTc_rbh=GAq1cCjdZa=nkjCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000201d8691c$5d3d2a40$17b77ec0$@bluefrog.com>
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The CAT forum resources that David sent does have these 2 issues.

 

Not much detail listed but the Mk I looks like it has the C4DF-S carb which would be the L2KA or later engine group

 

License plate DLR -  I?m guessing means Dealer plates.

 

Period correct photos like these are a great resource for unmolested original details.

It?s too bad they did not add details like the Vin # in these R&T issues.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 4:25 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I have both of the magazines.  

 

The Mk1 article shows what might be a manufacturer's license plate with the numbers 2930.  I can't make out the state but it looks like on the left side of the plate there is a "1" stacked vertically over a "U" and  the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically in the center of the plate.  The photo under the hood doesn't show the ID plate.

 

The Mk2 article shows a license plate that might be from California and on the left side of the plate there is an "18" over an "R" and on the right side is a "4". In the middle of the plate it looks like there are the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically.  Once again, there is no photo showing the ID plate.  

 

I love looking at the ads in these old magazines.  In the September 1967 issue you could pick up a 1965 Ferrari 275 GTB for $8750.

 

Have Fun,

Joe Brown

 

 

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.

 

Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?

 

Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> > 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.  They didn't mention the VIN.

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 

Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 

To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>  

Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim

                Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.

Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>  

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

 

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.

 

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.

 

They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.

 

Unfortunately I lost their card.

 

Other opportunities exist.

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.

 

The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf

 

The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf

These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.

 

Jim Lindner

 

 

Sent from my iPad

 

On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
received it.

What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.

Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them. 

mayf

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan
   The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
hinge
2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com <mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com> >
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Mon May 16 18:02:57 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:02:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <003601d8697e$ccde0dd0$669a2970$@bluefrog.com>
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 <CAKb_wfkr5PEUk5GwUuo80kJYHxNTc_rbh=GAq1cCjdZa=nkjCA@mail.gmail.com>
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I stopped by my shop today to photograph the trunk hinge fasteners on a Mk II Tiger.

SFAIK the MK II is highly original although it was rough when it went into long term storage.

Subsequently it?s only been driven now and then.

As discussed earlier, the correct hinge features two unpainted fasteners - a stud and bolt at one end and a flat headed
Screw at the other end.

This Mk II?s left hinge does use an unpainted stud and nut.

However an unpainted bolt takes the place where a flat headed screw
Belongs.?

Regarding the other hinge, unpainted bolts are present at each end of the hinge so that?s not correct.



> On May 16, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CAT forum resources that David sent does have these 2 issues.
>  
> Not much detail listed but the Mk I looks like it has the C4DF-S carb which would be the L2KA or later engine group
>  
> License plate DLR -  I?m guessing means Dealer plates.
>  
> Period correct photos like these are a great resource for unmolested original details.
> It?s too bad they did not add details like the Vin # in these R&T issues.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 4:25 PM
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Cc: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>  
> I have both of the magazines.  
>  
> The Mk1 article shows what might be a manufacturer's license plate with the numbers 2930.  I can't make out the state but it looks like on the left side of the plate there is a "1" stacked vertically over a "U" and  the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically in the center of the plate.  The photo under the hood doesn't show the ID plate.
>  
> The Mk2 article shows a license plate that might be from California and on the left side of the plate there is an "18" over an "R" and on the right side is a "4". In the middle of the plate it looks like there are the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically.  Once again, there is no photo showing the ID plate.  
>  
> I love looking at the ads in these old magazines.  In the September 1967 issue you could pick up a 1965 Ferrari 275 GTB for $8750.
>  
> Have Fun,
> Joe Brown
>  
>  
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.
>>  
>> Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?
>>  
>> Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>>  
>> From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net>> 
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>  
>> It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.  They didn't mention the VIN.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>  
>>  
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>> 
>> Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net>>, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>> 
>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 
>>  
>> Jim
>>                 Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.
>> Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>>  
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
>> To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>>
>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>  
>> I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.
>>  
>> Jim D
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>  
>>  
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> 
>> Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>> 
>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 
>>  
>> Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.
>>  
>> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
>>  
>> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.
>>  
>> They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.
>>  
>> Unfortunately I lost their card.
>>  
>> Other opportunities exist.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.
>>>  
>>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 
>>>  
>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf <https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf>
>>>  
>>> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>>>  
>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf <https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf>
>>> 
>>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>>>  
>>> Jim Lindner
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
>>>> received it.
>>>> 
>>>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>>>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>>>> 
>>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
>>>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com>> 
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>>>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>> 
>>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
>>>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
>>>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
>>>> shops knew not to paint them. 
>>>> 
>>>> mayf
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>>>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>
>>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>> 
>>>> Allan
>>>>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>>> 
>>>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>>>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>>> 
>>>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>>>> hinge
>>>> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>>>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>>>> Special is not there.
>>>> 
>>>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>>> 
>>>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>>>> screw.
>>>> 
>>>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>>> 
>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
>>>> Tigers
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>>>> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com <mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com>>
>>>> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>> 
>>>> These are going on my Forest
>>>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon May 16 19:04:06 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 21:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <8CB4D458-2449-4CBA-BD81-6CA04A66E33A@ix.netcom.com>
References: <000201d8691c$5d3d2a40$17b77ec0$@bluefrog.com>
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 <001f01d8695d$96c53050$c44f90f0$@bluefrog.com>
 <CAKb_wfkr5PEUk5GwUuo80kJYHxNTc_rbh=GAq1cCjdZa=nkjCA@mail.gmail.com>
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Allan

                Please note ? those are SAE bolts not British UNC bolts.

UNC bolts would have AUTO stamp into them.

 

Someone replaced fasteners here.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:03 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>; Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>; Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I stopped by my shop today to photograph the trunk hinge fasteners on a Mk II Tiger.

 

SFAIK the MK II is highly original although it was rough when it went into long term storage.

 

Subsequently it?s only been driven now and then.

 

As discussed earlier, the correct hinge features two unpainted fasteners - a stud and bolt at one end and a flat headed

Screw at the other end.

 

This Mk II?s left hinge does use an unpainted stud and nut.

 

However an unpainted bolt takes the place where a flat headed screw

Belongs.?

 

Regarding the other hinge, unpainted bolts are present at each end of the hinge so that?s not correct.

 

 



On May 16, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

The CAT forum resources that David sent does have these 2 issues.

 

Not much detail listed but the Mk I looks like it has the C4DF-S carb which would be the L2KA or later engine group

 

License plate DLR -  I?m guessing means Dealer plates.

 

Period correct photos like these are a great resource for unmolested original details.

It?s too bad they did not add details like the Vin # in these R&T issues.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 4:25 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I have both of the magazines.  

 

The Mk1 article shows what might be a manufacturer's license plate with the numbers 2930.  I can't make out the state but it looks like on the left side of the plate there is a "1" stacked vertically over a "U" and  the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically in the center of the plate.  The photo under the hood doesn't show the ID plate.

 

The Mk2 article shows a license plate that might be from California and on the left side of the plate there is an "18" over an "R" and on the right side is a "4". In the middle of the plate it looks like there are the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically.  Once again, there is no photo showing the ID plate.  

 

I love looking at the ads in these old magazines.  In the September 1967 issue you could pick up a 1965 Ferrari 275 GTB for $8750.

 

Have Fun,

Joe Brown

 

 

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.

 

Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?

 

Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> > 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.  They didn't mention the VIN.

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 

Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 

To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 

Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim

                Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.

Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

 

I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

 

Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

 

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.

 

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.

 

They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.

 

Unfortunately I lost their card.

 

Other opportunities exist.

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.

 

The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf

 

The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.

 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf

These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.

 

Jim Lindner

 

 

Sent from my iPad

 

On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
received it.

What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.

Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them. 

mayf

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan
   The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
hinge
2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com <mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com> >
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest
Green Mk1a Tiger:



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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Mon May 16 19:20:52 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 21:20:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
In-Reply-To: <8CB4D458-2449-4CBA-BD81-6CA04A66E33A@ix.netcom.com>
References: <000201d8691c$5d3d2a40$17b77ec0$@bluefrog.com>
 <1678449212.378974.1652704209692@verizon.net>
 <001f01d8695d$96c53050$c44f90f0$@bluefrog.com>
 <CAKb_wfkr5PEUk5GwUuo80kJYHxNTc_rbh=GAq1cCjdZa=nkjCA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <18F0353D-C266-4A3A-A222-06F6AB162931@ix.netcom.com>

Ron,

Thanks!

 Getting this right will take a communal effort.

-Allan


> On May 16, 2022, at 8:02 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> I stopped by my shop today to photograph the trunk hinge fasteners on a Mk II Tiger.
> 
> SFAIK the MK II is highly original although it was rough when it went into long term storage.
> 
> Subsequently it?s only been driven now and then.
> 
> As discussed earlier, the correct hinge features two unpainted fasteners - a stud and bolt at one end and a flat headed
> Screw at the other end.
> 
> This Mk II?s left hinge does use an unpainted stud and nut.
> 
> However an unpainted bolt takes the place where a flat headed screw
> Belongs.?
> 
> Regarding the other hinge, unpainted bolts are present at each end of the hinge so that?s not correct.
> 
> 
> <right hinge MK II.jpeg><left hinge MK II.jpeg>
>> On May 16, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> The CAT forum resources that David sent does have these 2 issues.
>>  
>> Not much detail listed but the Mk I looks like it has the C4DF-S carb which would be the L2KA or later engine group
>>  
>> License plate DLR -  I?m guessing means Dealer plates.
>>  
>> Period correct photos like these are a great resource for unmolested original details.
>> It?s too bad they did not add details like the Vin # in these R&T issues.
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>>  
>> From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>> 
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 4:25 PM
>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>> Cc: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net>>; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>  
>> I have both of the magazines.  
>>  
>> The Mk1 article shows what might be a manufacturer's license plate with the numbers 2930.  I can't make out the state but it looks like on the left side of the plate there is a "1" stacked vertically over a "U" and  the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically in the center of the plate.  The photo under the hood doesn't show the ID plate.
>>  
>> The Mk2 article shows a license plate that might be from California and on the left side of the plate there is an "18" over an "R" and on the right side is a "4". In the middle of the plate it looks like there are the letters "D", "L" and "R" stacked vertically.  Once again, there is no photo showing the ID plate.  
>>  
>> I love looking at the ads in these old magazines.  In the September 1967 issue you could pick up a 1965 Ferrari 275 GTB for $8750.
>>  
>> Have Fun,
>> Joe Brown
>>  
>>  
>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.
>>>  
>>> Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?
>>>  
>>> Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.
>>>  
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>  
>>> From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
>>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>  
>>> It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.  They didn't mention the VIN.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>> 
>>> Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 
>>> To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net>>, 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>, 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>> 
>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 
>>>  
>>> Jim
>>>                 Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.
>>> Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?
>>>  
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>  
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>; James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>>
>>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>  
>>> I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.
>>>  
>>> Jim D
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> 
>>> Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>>> To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net>> 
>>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 
>>>  
>>> Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.
>>>  
>>> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
>>>  
>>> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.
>>>  
>>> They offered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.
>>>  
>>> Unfortunately I lost their card.
>>>  
>>> Other opportunities exist.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.
>>>>  
>>>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 
>>>>  
>>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf <https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf>
>>>>  
>>>> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>>>>  
>>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf <https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf>
>>>> 
>>>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>>>>  
>>>> Jim Lindner
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
>>>>> received it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>>>>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
>>>>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com>> 
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>>>>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
>>>>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
>>>>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
>>>>> shops knew not to paint them. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> mayf
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>>>>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com>>
>>>>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>> 
>>>>> Allan
>>>>>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>>>>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
>>>>> hinge
>>>>> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>>>>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
>>>>> Special is not there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
>>>>> screw.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via
>>>>> Tigers
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>>>>> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com <mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com>>
>>>>> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>> 
>>>>> These are going on my Forest
>>>>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Wed May 18 12:43:16 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] HT Clamp Dimple Washers
Message-ID: <238946021.726742.1652899407247@verizon.net>

Has anyone found a replacement for the hardtop b-post clamp dimple washers.? They are 17/32 od and the smallest I can find in stainless are 5/8 od.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed May 18 17:57:53 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 19:57:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] HT Clamp Dimple Washers
In-Reply-To: <238946021.726742.1652899407247@verizon.net>
References: <238946021.726742.1652899407247@verizon.net>
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Jim

                I must say I?m not familiar with that part.   It has been too long since I worked on the hardtop.

Are you sure they are a Sunbeam part.   I don?t see a listing in the Parts List.   Maybe I?m looking in the wrong place.

 

2014 Au-Ve-Co catalog lists - flush type washers ? nickel on brass 

These are a countersunk type washer similar to your picture but not exact.

 

16015    #10         ID = 13/64?          OD = 15/32?

 

Others could be available now.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:43 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] HT Clamp Dimple Washers

 

Has anyone found a replacement for the hardtop b-post clamp dimple washers.  They are 17/32 od and the smallest I can find in stainless are 5/8 od.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

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From blance598 at gmail.com  Mon May 23 12:29:57 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 14:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New top
Message-ID: <CACQC2nWthHi+_ir4+nMF5xPrxtRx2UR9H1UDmQce5S+GoTCS-w@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops
Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand,
Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Mon May 23 12:57:16 2022
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 14:57:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New top
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nWthHi+_ir4+nMF5xPrxtRx2UR9H1UDmQce5S+GoTCS-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQC2nWthHi+_ir4+nMF5xPrxtRx2UR9H1UDmQce5S+GoTCS-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Reading their web pages, both are Robbins, which in the past were regarded
as the good guys. No recent experience here, since 1977 when I put my
Robbins top on.

If your Tiger is a '64, I suspect you do not have velcro in the "top to
arm" seal above the door windows, and you do have tension cables above the
door windows.  That should be all the info you need.

Stu

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 2:30 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops
> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand,
> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon May 23 13:07:41 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 15:07:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New top
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nWthHi+_ir4+nMF5xPrxtRx2UR9H1UDmQce5S+GoTCS-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQC2nWthHi+_ir4+nMF5xPrxtRx2UR9H1UDmQce5S+GoTCS-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701d86ed8$61cff6c0$256fe440$@bluefrog.com>

Beau

 

I looked up Topsonline and EZ softops and they both state Robbins convertible tops as the source.

I did not find zoo bins brand.  My guess is the anyone selling a Sunbeam convertible top is from Robbins.

 

At one time, long ago, the Robbins Sunbeam softop  was cut wrong but that was fixed by Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom.

 

I would buy from Rick to support our Sunbeam parts vendor.

 

Hope this helps

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 2:30 PM
To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] New top

 

Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops 

Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand, 

Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau

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From blance598 at gmail.com  Mon May 23 13:34:11 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 15:34:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New top
In-Reply-To: <000701d86ed8$61cff6c0$256fe440$@bluefrog.com>
References: <CACQC2nWthHi+_ir4+nMF5xPrxtRx2UR9H1UDmQce5S+GoTCS-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACQC2nV9uRMw7hM-_enRmvziAD4yYJpVkwRg354euL498XXSVg@mail.gmail.com>

Very helpful. Yes I intend to, supporting  them is important.  Beau

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 3:07 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Beau
>
>
>
> I looked up Topsonline and EZ softops and they both state Robbins
> convertible tops as the source.
>
> I did not find zoo bins brand.  My guess is the anyone selling a Sunbeam
> convertible top is from Robbins.
>
>
>
> At one time, long ago, the Robbins Sunbeam softop  was cut wrong but that
> was fixed by Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom.
>
>
>
> I would buy from Rick to support our Sunbeam parts vendor.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Lance
> Beauchamp via Tigers
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 2:30 PM
> *To:* Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] New top
>
>
>
> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops
>
> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand,
>
> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon May 23 13:39:26 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 12:39:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New top
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nV9uRMw7hM-_enRmvziAD4yYJpVkwRg354euL498XXSVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQC2nV9uRMw7hM-_enRmvziAD4yYJpVkwRg354euL498XXSVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37EB0C4E-5B63-4CFD-A2DB-2AD734E95DFC@comcast.net>

And for a ?64 you should have ?crush grain?,
?cable? type  (as opposed to pin-point, velcro?.  
But the velcro is probably better and
the frame on your car could have been changed.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Very helpful. Yes I intend to, supporting  them is important.  Beau 
> 
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 3:07 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> Beau
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I looked up Topsonline and EZ softops and they both state Robbins convertible tops as the source.
>> 
>> I did not find zoo bins brand.  My guess is the anyone selling a Sunbeam convertible top is from Robbins.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> At one time, long ago, the Robbins Sunbeam softop  was cut wrong but that was fixed by Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I would buy from Rick to support our Sunbeam parts vendor.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 2:30 PM
>> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Tigers] New top
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops 
>> 
>> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand, 
>> 
>> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
>> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon May 23 15:17:11 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 17:17:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tops galore
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nVmJrEGMy6AgNY3feAqucAQgg5ENAd4XE2M=ZLFnixazA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQC2nVmJrEGMy6AgNY3feAqucAQgg5ENAd4XE2M=ZLFnixazA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d86eea$78d5f4c0$6a81de40$@bluefrog.com>

Beau

 

Always check that your questions go to the list.   That way everyone is included and you will get better answers.

 

Stayfast Cloth is also known as Canvas & Mohair.   This is off their web site.

 

I?m not up to date on all the Top nomenclature.

 

Sunbeam Specialties Catalog shows examples of Pinpoint and Crush grain patterns.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 3:32 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Tops galore

 

Yes I do have velcro strip , I believe I got this probably top 34 years ago. I do not know what was on the car before because it was gone. What is the 

Ez softop line by Robbins, is it an up grade line of top?  Any clue? 

Back to the Robbins line they have pinpoint vinyl  or crushgrain vinyl  and to make it more complicated Robbins mentions stayfast canvas. 

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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Mon May 23 17:13:50 2022
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim Buster)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 16:13:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New top
References: <86225F81-AC66-46A0-8791-93B76596395D.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <86225F81-AC66-46A0-8791-93B76596395D@yahoo.com>

?
SS sells a conversion kit to change the cable system to a Velcro type. Last I checked 
Jim B

> On May 23, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
> ?And for a ?64 you should have ?crush grain?,
> ?cable? type  (as opposed to pin-point, velcro?.  
> But the velcro is probably better and
> the frame on your car could have been changed.
> Gary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> Very helpful. Yes I intend to, supporting  them is important.  Beau 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 3:07 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>> Beau
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I looked up Topsonline and EZ softops and they both state Robbins convertible tops as the source.
>>> 
>>> I did not find zoo bins brand.  My guess is the anyone selling a Sunbeam convertible top is from Robbins.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> At one time, long ago, the Robbins Sunbeam softop  was cut wrong but that was fixed by Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I would buy from Rick to support our Sunbeam parts vendor.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ron Fraser
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 2:30 PM
>>> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Tigers] New top
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops 
>>> 
>>> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand, 
>>> 
>>> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
>>> 
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon May 23 19:04:40 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 21:04:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 174
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I had a new top installed about two weeks ago by Jeff Randall in Hanover Massachusetts. I bought a cloth Robbins Top from Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. It was way More attractive than I had expected. Jeff did a great job, and a cloth top really makes the Sunbeam look terrific. It?s my observation that vinyl shrinks over time. We?ll see how the cloth top does.
This is the third top on my car, 
a Mk1A 2083.
To get a good seal around the windows takes a good deal of fiddling, and the hinge mechanisms below the B posts need to be taken out, observed and greased. I replaced both of mine.
Hope this helps.
Jim Armstrong

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> Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 14:29:57 -0400
> From: Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Tigers] New top
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> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops
> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand,
> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
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> From: Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com>
> To: Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Tiger Club. Submission" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New top
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> Reading their web pages, both are Robbins, which in the past were regarded
> as the good guys. No recent experience here, since 1977 when I put my
> Robbins top on.
> 
> If your Tiger is a '64, I suspect you do not have velcro in the "top to
> arm" seal above the door windows, and you do have tension cables above the
> door windows.  That should be all the info you need.
> 
> Stu
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>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 2:30 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops
>> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand,
>> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
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> Beau
> 
> 
> 
> I looked up Topsonline and EZ softops and they both state Robbins convertible tops as the source.
> 
> I did not find zoo bins brand.  My guess is the anyone selling a Sunbeam convertible top is from Robbins.
> 
> 
> 
> At one time, long ago, the Robbins Sunbeam softop  was cut wrong but that was fixed by Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom.
> 
> 
> 
> I would buy from Rick to support our Sunbeam parts vendor.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Fraser
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> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 2:30 PM
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> 
> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops 
> 
> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand, 
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> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
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> From: Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New top
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> Very helpful. Yes I intend to, supporting  them is important.  Beau
> 
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 3:07 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Beau
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I looked up Topsonline and EZ softops and they both state Robbins
>> convertible tops as the source.
>> 
>> I did not find zoo bins brand.  My guess is the anyone selling a Sunbeam
>> convertible top is from Robbins.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At one time, long ago, the Robbins Sunbeam softop  was cut wrong but that
>> was fixed by Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would buy from Rick to support our Sunbeam parts vendor.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Lance
>> Beauchamp via Tigers
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 2:30 PM
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>> *Subject:* [Tigers] New top
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops
>> 
>> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand,
>> 
>> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
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> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> To: Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>
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> And for a ?64 you should have ?crush grain?,
> ?cable? type  (as opposed to pin-point, velcro?.  
> But the velcro is probably better and
> the frame on your car could have been changed.
> Gary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 23, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Very helpful. Yes I intend to, supporting  them is important.  Beau 
>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 3:07 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>> Beau
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I looked up Topsonline and EZ softops and they both state Robbins convertible tops as the source.
>>> 
>>> I did not find zoo bins brand.  My guess is the anyone selling a Sunbeam convertible top is from Robbins.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At one time, long ago, the Robbins Sunbeam softop  was cut wrong but that was fixed by Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would buy from Rick to support our Sunbeam parts vendor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron Fraser
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 2:30 PM
>>> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Tigers] New top
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops 
>>> 
>>> Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand, 
>>> 
>>> Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau
>>> 
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From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Tue May 24 01:58:05 2022
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 17:58:05 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] New top
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nV9uRMw7hM-_enRmvziAD4yYJpVkwRg354euL498XXSVg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Lance

 

Everyone I talked to at the time advised to use the Velcro version as the original cable system is near to useless, which I did. Also spend the extra and fit the canvas/mohair version, it fits and looks way better. The vinyl one always seems to have a fold on the sides.

 

Cheers

Wally Menke

Melbourne, Australia

 

 

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2022 5:34 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New top

 

Very helpful. Yes I intend to, supporting  them is important.  Beau 

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 3:07 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Beau

 

I looked up Topsonline and EZ softops and they both state Robbins convertible tops as the source.

I did not find zoo bins brand.  My guess is the anyone selling a Sunbeam convertible top is from Robbins.

 

At one time, long ago, the Robbins Sunbeam softop  was cut wrong but that was fixed by Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom.

 

I would buy from Rick to support our Sunbeam parts vendor.

 

Hope this helps

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 2:30 PM
To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] New top

 

Can someone please explain to me the difference between these tops 

Topsonline.  EZ softops and the zoo bins brand, 

Which is correct for a 1964 Tiger. Beau

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From icanhandyman at yahoo.com  Tue May 24 03:34:02 2022
From: icanhandyman at yahoo.com (J Clark)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 09:34:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tops Galore (Ron Frazier)
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Hello Ron, Curious as to what you meant by "cut wrong". Thanks, Jon
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue May 24 06:27:32 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 08:27:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tops Galore (Ron Frazier)
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Jon

 

Years ago, 40 + now, the Robbins convertible top was cut wrong.   Rick and Tiger Tom got them to make the Sunbeam top correctly.

 

The drip rail fabric did not extend to the windshield, it stopped before the wing glass.

 

The flap on the body at the B post was short and sewn in the wrong position, too high to snap to the body.

 

There may have been some other problems that Rick and Tom asked Robbins to correct.

 

I don?t have any picture of that early top but someone on the list may.

 

I found this picture on the web an it looks like it may be the not correct top.

The drip rail does not extend to the windshield and the flap at the B post is too high, it can never snap down to the body.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of J Clark via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 5:34 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tops Galore (Ron Frazier)

 

 

 

Hello Ron, Curious as to what you meant by "cut wrong". Thanks, Jon

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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Tue May 24 09:17:36 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 15:17:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
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Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70 which is too tall against the trunk shelf.
How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?? What color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?




Thanks
Joel

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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Tue May 24 09:25:55 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 11:25:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
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Sea Foam Grey - it?s a shade of white.

The back side may supposed to be black.




> On May 24, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70 which is too tall against the trunk shelf.
> 
> How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?  What color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?
> 
> 
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> Thanks
> 
> Joel
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed May 25 09:55:46 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
In-Reply-To: <10076313.1410362.1653428042736@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1915320428.1285144.1653405457097.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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  Ron
Good catch on the extra support hit in the die above each stud hole.? The one I bought has those.? So maybe reinforced wheel unless these is some other distinguishing markings.
There are a few other markings on the support dies 'between" the stud holes.? One is '12149', I believe the last number is a '9' but hard to tell.? Another die looks to have a 'X or three'.? Third die is '66' or 99 depending on which way you look at it and the die with the hole in it has no markings.
Alan states:? Sea Foam Grey - it?s a shade of white.
The back side may supposed to be black.

Does anyone have a rattle can brand and part number for sea foam grey?? Also weigh in on the back side being black or all sea foam grey.
The book of Norman below states painted black (semi-gloss?) and then re-sprayed a gray white on the front(sea foam grey?)? Thoughts?
With the wheel and tire laying upside down you would see the black underside when viewing the trunk.? Right?




Joel


    On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 11:58:19 AM EDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:  
 
 
Joel

 ?

This is a good question ? I would like the answer too.

 ?

Looking at the pictures you sent ? it looks like there is an extra support hit in the die above each stud hole on the later reinforced wheel.

I don?t see that on the early wheel.

 ?

There is a date stamp on the wheels under the Na?ve plate but I don?t know if that helps with this question.

 ?

According to the Alpine Parts List

1214930??????????????? Road Wheel?????? from B9107291 ? Series II

This road wheel is the only one listed for the Tiger ? there is no indication about reinforcement so that could be an update to the drawing.

 ?

Ron Fraser

 ?

 ?

 ?

 ?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 11:18 AM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels

 ?

Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70 which is too tall against the trunk shelf.

 ?

How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?? What color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?

 ?

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Thanks

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Joel

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue May 24 21:30:08 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 11:30:08 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
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Joel,

1.
The factory steel wheels were a satin black and the front side foam grey (
the off white looking colour) on the front face with overspray going
through the holes.

2.
The later reinforced wheels were also used on all other rootes cars. They
have a small pyramid pressing aiming at each wheel stud hole.

3.
DO NOT!!  Leave the nut faces in the mounting hole recess painted. It will
allow movement and can lead to the nuts coming undone and the holes ovaling
and creating movement in the wheel.

4.
Check any wheel for the mounting holes being ovaled.



On Tuesday, 24 May 2022, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70
> which is too tall against the trunk shelf.
>
> How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel
> wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?  What
> color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
>
>

-- 
Regards

Michael King
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue May 24 12:42:55 2022
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 14:42:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
In-Reply-To: <A93A5693-21B5-462A-A677-E04783B77A5F@ix.netcom.com>
References: <1915320428.1285144.1653405457097.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Joel, Allen, I'm gonna say Silver (Mk2) although under the cap is black
what's under the black is, well, silver.

Tom, '67 Mark2.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:26 AM Allan Ballard via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Sea Foam Grey - it?s a shade of white.
>
> The back side may supposed to be black.
>
>
>
>
> On May 24, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70
> which is too tall against the trunk shelf.
>
> How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel
> wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?  What
> color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?
>
>
>
> <1653405276540blob.jpg>
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue May 24 09:57:35 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
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Joel

 

This is a good question ? I would like the answer too.

 

Looking at the pictures you sent ? it looks like there is an extra support hit in the die above each stud hole on the later reinforced wheel.

I don?t see that on the early wheel.

 

There is a date stamp on the wheels under the Na?ve plate but I don?t know if that helps with this question.

 

According to the Alpine Parts List

1214930                Road Wheel       from B9107291 ? Series II

This road wheel is the only one listed for the Tiger ? there is no indication about reinforcement so that could be an update to the drawing.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 11:18 AM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels

 

Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70 which is too tall against the trunk shelf.

 

How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?  What color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?

 

 

 



 

Thanks

 

Joel

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue May 24 15:32:23 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 17:32:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
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Joel

                The 12149 looks like part of the part # 1214930.

Not sure what the XX?s mean.

 

66 is a year date code for the wheel.

 

Sea Foam Grey ? I have no listing for that color

I have Rootes code 8 - Foam White ? Ditzler - 31935          Chrysler # - 75242802      Berger code - 404.1137                   ICI # - 3255

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 2:23 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels

 

Ron

 

Good catch on the extra support hit in the die above each stud hole.  The one I bought has those.  So maybe reinforced wheel unless these is some other distinguishing markings.

 

There are a few other markings on the support dies 'between" the stud holes.  One is '12149', I believe the last number is a '9' but hard to tell.  Another die looks to have a 'X or three'.  Third die is '66' or 99 depending on which way you look at it and the die with the hole in it has no markings.

 

Alan states:  

Sea Foam Grey - it?s a shade of white.

 

The back side may supposed to be black.

 

 

Does anyone have a rattle can brand and part number for sea foam grey?  Also weigh in on the back side being black or all sea foam grey.

 

The book of Norman below states painted black (semi-gloss?) and then re-sprayed a gray white on the front(sea foam grey?)  Thoughts?

 

With the wheel and tire laying upside down you would see the black underside when viewing the trunk.  Right?

 

 



 

Joel

 

 

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 11:58:19 AM EDT, Ron Fraser < <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: 

 

 

Joel

 

This is a good question ? I would like the answer too.

 

Looking at the pictures you sent ? it looks like there is an extra support hit in the die above each stud hole on the later reinforced wheel.

I don?t see that on the early wheel.

 

There is a date stamp on the wheels under the Na?ve plate but I don?t know if that helps with this question.

 

According to the Alpine Parts List

1214930                Road Wheel       from B9107291 ? Series II

This road wheel is the only one listed for the Tiger ? there is no indication about reinforcement so that could be an update to the drawing.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

 

From: Tigers < <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 11:18 AM
To: Tiger List Serve < <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels

 

Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70 which is too tall against the trunk shelf.

 

How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?  What color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?

 

 

 



 

Thanks

 

Joel

 

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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Thu May 26 12:13:56 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 14:13:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
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Jan Servaites (SAOCA Jumping Jan) collected most of the Rootes colors.

The colors were applied to CDs which are offered for sale and can be matched by one?s paint shop.

I got a set when I painted my Tiger 14 years ago (Forest Green/Moonstone/Foam Grey) and haven?t been disappointed.

To my eyes Foam Grey isn?t too terribly different from Moonstone.

Here are a couple of pictures made with a phone camera. It was hard to snap shots that didn?t miss the shade of paint using a phone camera.

I use LAT70 wheels now but back then used wheels I painted myself Foam Grey plus the correct hubcaps and wheel trim. 

With all the hardware in place there isn?t much left to be seen that?s painted.

Allan Ballard
-Atlanta, Georgia



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 12:22 PM, michael king via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Joel,
> 
> 1.
> The factory steel wheels were a satin black and the front side foam grey ( the off white looking colour) on the front face with overspray going through the holes.
> 
> 2. 
> The later reinforced wheels were also used on all other rootes cars. They have a small pyramid pressing aiming at each wheel stud hole.
> 
> 3. 
> DO NOT!!  Leave the nut faces in the mounting hole recess painted. It will allow movement and can lead to the nuts coming undone and the holes ovaling and creating movement in the wheel.
> 
> 4. 
> Check any wheel for the mounting holes being ovaled. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70 which is too tall against the trunk shelf.
>> 
>> How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?  What color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> Michael King
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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Thu May 26 14:05:20 2022
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 13:05:20 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
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I got a quart of Foam Grey from Restoration Shop/TCP Global in San Diego:

https://tcpglobal.com/pages/restoration-shop

They have an extensive color ?library? and can come up with a recipe for just about anything on wheels:

https://www.autocolorlibrary.com/

Watch the video, and if you can, have a cat with Jimmy "Chips? Wells.  He?s incredible.  They?re ready with a match for Alpine Mist when we?re ready to squirt the ?54 ?Proper" ?Pine.

I can?t find the receipt for the purchase, but the sticker on the can says AE-TCP31935(B).  Don?t know if that identifies the color or not, but ?Chips? will know. It?s listed for ?63 - ?65 Sunbeam, Hillman.

They mixed it for me in September of 2019.

Our Mk I is Moonstone.  Yes, it is similar to Foam Grey.  But definitely different. Because of the similarity, I thought for a long time that the wheels were painted body color.

Ramon







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Jan Servaites (SAOCA Jumping Jan) collected most of the Rootes colors.

The colors were applied to CDs which are offered for sale and can be matched by one?s paint shop.

I got a set when I painted my Tiger 14 years ago (Forest Green/Moonstone/Foam Grey) and haven?t been disappointed.

To my eyes Foam Grey isn?t too terribly different from Moonstone.

Here are a couple of pictures made with a phone camera. It was hard to snap shots that didn?t miss the shade of paint using a phone camera.

I use LAT70 wheels now but back then used wheels I painted myself Foam Grey plus the correct hubcaps and wheel trim. 

With all the hardware in place there isn?t much left to be seen that?s painted.

Allan Ballard
-Atlanta, Georgia



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 12:22 PM, michael king via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Joel,
> 
> 1.
> The factory steel wheels were a satin black and the front side foam grey ( the off white looking colour) on the front face with overspray going through the holes.
> 
> 2. 
> The later reinforced wheels were also used on all other rootes cars. They have a small pyramid pressing aiming at each wheel stud hole.
> 
> 3. 
> DO NOT!!  Leave the nut faces in the mounting hole recess painted. It will allow movement and can lead to the nuts coming undone and the holes ovaling and creating movement in the wheel.
> 
> 4. 
> Check any wheel for the mounting holes being ovaled. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70 which is too tall against the trunk shelf.
>> 
>> How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?  What color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> Michael King
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu May 26 14:53:15 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 13:53:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...
Message-ID: <009501d87142$a0937c30$e1ba7490$@mayfco.com>

You know I have been a member of CAT continuously since 1974 and off and on
between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects under the bridges.. I
believe some of ya'll are CAT members as well and I need some assistance
with the forum on the CAT web site.  I logged on using my official user name
and pass word, updated just last year but I will be danged if I can where
and how to post anything to any of the forum areas. Any help out there?

 

This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV, lol. And everything is
subject to an 80 year old's fogy memory.  I still have my original steel
wheels from when I purchased the car, admittedly used in Jan 1967 with 11K
miles on it, and the wheels are what was on the car at that time. Oh< my
Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers being 1136.  So, I am guessing that
they are OEM and specific to this car.  They are of course the 13 inch, 4
lug wheels that use 7/16th inch  studs and tapered shoulder nuts to keep
them on the car.  I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT lug
centric, but hub centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I say that
because the aftermarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others,  use the hubs to
center the wheels since the lugs are straight shanked nuts without taper.
Hub centric is a n brainer. The wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is
a machined part made to assure that the wheel is centered.  The tapered lugs
have a couple of purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel
mounting hole on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut
giving more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to metal
to metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench  being
used by the installer.  Another think that comes to mind for me anyway, is
that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regular coarse
thread s and they are "fine threads". With a taper, a single turn of the nut
to loosen, will move the nut off the wheel a distance of  the sine of the
taper angle times the thread pitch distance. And for sure no paint on the
faying surfaces.  The twist of the nut against the paint will most likely on
the first torque down destroy that thin paint layer and it should be
retorques a bit after it has run down the road.   Tomorrow I will be
removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps, and wheels from my storage area and
moving them to another storage location in my shop so I will have ample time
to examine them since I have not looked at them since I put the LAT 70 ones
on my car in 1968.  Right now, I am thinking, and I may be wrong, but, the
back side of my wheel are same color as the front side and not black or any
other color.   When I am done with moving parts around, I will post any new
info I glean  to help muddy the water some more. 

 

In any case, someone with an idea on how to post to the cat forums, lemme
know. 

 

Drmayf

Aka Larry

TWFS: 204.913 mph flying mile on the salt

And 210.779 mph out the back door. 

 

The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger,  has been sold to another LSR racer of
sorts. 

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu May 26 16:01:35 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 18:01:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...
In-Reply-To: <009501d87142$a0937c30$e1ba7490$@mayfco.com>
References: <009501d87142$a0937c30$e1ba7490$@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <1222996718.639963.1653602495643@connect.xfinity.com>

Hi Mayf,
Go to the forum you want to post in.

Look at the upper right, button called "Post thread".. in brown/orange.
Gary


>     On 05/26/2022 4:53 PM Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     You know I have been a member of CAT continuously since 1974 and off and on between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects under the bridges.. I believe some of ya?ll are CAT members as well and I need some assistance with the forum on the CAT web site.  I logged on using my official user name and pass word, updated just last year but I will be danged if I can where and how to post anything to any of the forum areas. Any help out there?
> 
> 
>     This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV, lol. And everything is subject to an 80 year old?s fogy memory.  I still have my original steel wheels from when I purchased the car, admittedly used in Jan 1967 with 11K miles on it, and the wheels are what was on the car at that time. Oh< my Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers being 1136.  So, I am guessing that they are OEM and specific to this car.  They are of course the 13 inch, 4 lug wheels that use 7/16th inch  studs and tapered shoulder nuts to keep them on the car.  I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT lug centric, but hub centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I say that because the aftermarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others,  use the hubs to center the wheels since the lugs are straight shanked nuts without taper.  Hub centric is a n brainer. The wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is a machined part made to assure that the wheel is centered.  The tapered lugs have a couple of purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel mounting hole on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut giving more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to metal to metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench  being used by the installer.  Another think that comes to mind for me anyway, is that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regular coarse thread s and they are ?fine threads?. With a taper, a single turn of the nut to loosen, will move the nut off the wheel a distance of  the sine of the taper angle times the thread pitch distance. And for sure no paint on the faying surfaces.  The twist of the nut against the paint will most likely on the first torque down destroy that thin paint layer and it should be retorques a bit after it has run down the road.   Tomorrow I will be removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps, and wheels from my storage area and moving them to another storage location in my shop so I will have ample time to examine them since I have not looked at them since I put the LAT 70 ones on my car in 1968.  Right now, I am thinking, and I may be wrong, but, the back side of my wheel are same color as the front side and not black or any other color.   When I am done with moving parts around, I will post any new info I glean  to help muddy the water some more.
> 
> 
>     In any case, someone with an idea on how to post to the cat forums, lemme know?
> 
> 
>     Drmayf
> 
>     Aka Larry
> 
>     TWFS: 204.913 mph flying mile on the salt
> 
>     And 210.779 mph out the back door.
> 
> 
>     The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger,  has been sold to another LSR racer of sorts.
> 
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu May 26 16:19:57 2022
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 15:19:57 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Forum
References: <00a201d8714e$c2d44a70$487cdf50$.ref@Verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00a201d8714e$c2d44a70$487cdf50$@Verizon.net>

(& apologies for bombing the list.) 

 

Larry,

 

FYI, Others posting on the CAT Forum today have not shared your
difficulties. We'll look into your situation and get back to you offline.

 

Buck Trippel

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 1:53 PM
To: 'Tiger's List' <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...

 

You know I have been a member of CAT continuously since 1974 and off and on
between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects under the bridges.. I
believe some of ya'll are CAT members as well and I need some assistance
with the forum on the CAT web site.  I logged on using my official user name
and pass word, updated just last year but I will be danged if I can where
and how to post anything to any of the forum areas. Any help out there?

 

This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV, lol. And everything is
subject to an 80 year old's fogy memory.  I still have my original steel
wheels from when I purchased the car, admittedly used in Jan 1967 with 11K
miles on it, and the wheels are what was on the car at that time. Oh< my
Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers being 1136.  So, I am guessing that
they are OEM and specific to this car.  They are of course the 13 inch, 4
lug wheels that use 7/16th inch  studs and tapered shoulder nuts to keep
them on the car.  I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT lug
centric, but hub centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I say that
because the aftermarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others,  use the hubs to
center the wheels since the lugs are straight shanked nuts without taper.
Hub centric is a n brainer. The wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is
a machined part made to assure that the wheel is centered.  The tapered lugs
have a couple of purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel
mounting hole on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut
giving more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to metal
to metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench  being
used by the installer.  Another think that comes to mind for me anyway, is
that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regular coarse
thread s and they are "fine threads". With a taper, a single turn of the nut
to loosen, will move the nut off the wheel a distance of  the sine of the
taper angle times the thread pitch distance. And for sure no paint on the
faying surfaces.  The twist of the nut against the paint will most likely on
the first torque down destroy that thin paint layer and it should be
retorques a bit after it has run down the road.   Tomorrow I will be
removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps, and wheels from my storage area and
moving them to another storage location in my shop so I will have ample time
to examine them since I have not looked at them since I put the LAT 70 ones
on my car in 1968.  Right now, I am thinking, and I may be wrong, but, the
back side of my wheel are same color as the front side and not black or any
other color.   When I am done with moving parts around, I will post any new
info I glean  to help muddy the water some more. 

 

In any case, someone with an idea on how to post to the cat forums, lemme
know. 

 

Drmayf

Aka Larry

TWFS: 204.913 mph flying mile on the salt

And 210.779 mph out the back door. 

 

The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger,  has been sold to another LSR racer of
sorts. 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu May 26 17:50:08 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 19:50:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
In-Reply-To: <AAED8DF4-BA69-4953-BFB0-2AF94EC102C9@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.72.1653588852.7324.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <AAED8DF4-BA69-4953-BFB0-2AF94EC102C9@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003501d8715b$55e3ba60$01ab2f20$@bluefrog.com>

I found this Diztler card in my collection of pictures.
Lists Rootes code 8 - Foam Gray

Please note the color representation on this card is probably poor.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ramon Spontelli
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 4:05 PM
To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels

I got a quart of Foam Grey from Restoration Shop/TCP Global in San Diego:

https://tcpglobal.com/pages/restoration-shop

They have an extensive color ?library? and can come up with a recipe for just about anything on wheels:

https://www.autocolorlibrary.com/

Watch the video, and if you can, have a cat with Jimmy "Chips? Wells.  He?s incredible.  They?re ready with a match for Alpine Mist when we?re ready to squirt the ?54 ?Proper" ?Pine.

I can?t find the receipt for the purchase, but the sticker on the can says AE-TCP31935(B).  Don?t know if that identifies the color or not, but ?Chips? will know. It?s listed for ?63 - ?65 Sunbeam, Hillman.

They mixed it for me in September of 2019.

Our Mk I is Moonstone.  Yes, it is similar to Foam Grey.  But definitely different. Because of the similarity, I thought for a long time that the wheels were painted body color.

Ramon







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Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 14:13:56 -0400
From: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
To: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>, Tiger List Serve
	<tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels
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Jan Servaites (SAOCA Jumping Jan) collected most of the Rootes colors.

The colors were applied to CDs which are offered for sale and can be matched by one?s paint shop.

I got a set when I painted my Tiger 14 years ago (Forest Green/Moonstone/Foam Grey) and haven?t been disappointed.

To my eyes Foam Grey isn?t too terribly different from Moonstone.

Here are a couple of pictures made with a phone camera. It was hard to snap shots that didn?t miss the shade of paint using a phone camera.

I use LAT70 wheels now but back then used wheels I painted myself Foam Grey plus the correct hubcaps and wheel trim. 

With all the hardware in place there isn?t much left to be seen that?s painted.

Allan Ballard
-Atlanta, Georgia



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 12:22 PM, michael king via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Joel,
> 
> 1.
> The factory steel wheels were a satin black and the front side foam grey ( the off white looking colour) on the front face with overspray going through the holes.
> 
> 2. 
> The later reinforced wheels were also used on all other rootes cars. They have a small pyramid pressing aiming at each wheel stud hole.
> 
> 3. 
> DO NOT!!  Leave the nut faces in the mounting hole recess painted. It will allow movement and can lead to the nuts coming undone and the holes ovaling and creating movement in the wheel.
> 
> 4. 
> Check any wheel for the mounting holes being ovaled. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Purchased a stock steel wheel to use as a spare as opposed to a 13" LAT 70 which is too tall against the trunk shelf.
>> 
>> How do you determine the difference between the "early factory steel wheel" and the "later factory steel wheel (reinforced) Mk1a/Mk2?  What color code should the later reinforced Mk1a wheel be painted?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
> 
> 
> --
> Regards
> 
> Michael King
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri May 27 07:01:56 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 06:01:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...
In-Reply-To: <1222996718.639963.1653602495643@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <009501d87142$a0937c30$e1ba7490$@mayfco.com>
 <1222996718.639963.1653602495643@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d871c9$f4e47e10$dead7a30$@mayfco.com>

Gary, thanks  to you and everyone else  who replied!  This was not available when I logged on yesterday. It is there now and is what I had expected to see. I am not a noob at this, lol? But it was frustrating when I could not get the ?post thread? or similar button.  Now I can and for no  reason, lol, I have done nothing new.   

 I say that because I didn?t turn my PC off to reload the OS or anything  else. Just is here today. And I had looked at just about every sub forum on the site.  So maybe it loves me again..

 

Mayf

And again, many thanks, all! 

 

 

From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:02 PM
To: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com>; Tiger's List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...

 

Hi Mayf, 

Go to the forum you want to post in. 

 

Look at the upper right, button called "Post thread".. in brown/orange. 

Gary 

 

On 05/26/2022 4:53 PM Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > wrote: 

 

 

You know I have been a member of CAT continuously since 1974 and off and on between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects under the bridges.. I believe some of ya?ll are CAT members as well and I need some assistance with the forum on the CAT web site.  I logged on using my official user name and pass word, updated just last year but I will be danged if I can where and how to post anything to any of the forum areas. Any help out there?

 

This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV, lol. And everything is subject to an 80 year old?s fogy memory.  I still have my original steel wheels from when I purchased the car, admittedly used in Jan 1967 with 11K miles on it, and the wheels are what was on the car at that time. Oh< my Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers being 1136.  So, I am guessing that they are OEM and specific to this car.  They are of course the 13 inch, 4 lug wheels that use 7/16th inch  studs and tapered shoulder nuts to keep them on the car.  I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT lug centric, but hub centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I say that because the aftermarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others,  use the hubs to center the wheels since the lugs are straight shanked nuts without taper.  Hub centric is a n brainer. The wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is a machined part made to assure that the wheel is centered.  The tapered lugs have a couple of purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel mounting hole on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut giving more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to metal to metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench  being used by the installer.  Another think that comes to mind for me anyway, is that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regular coarse thread s and they are ?fine threads?. With a taper, a single turn of the nut to loosen, will move the nut off the wheel a distance of  the sine of the taper angle times the thread pitch distance. And for sure no paint on the faying surfaces.  The twist of the nut against the paint will most likely on the first torque down destroy that thin paint layer and it should be retorques a bit after it has run down the road.   Tomorrow I will be removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps, and wheels from my storage area and moving them to another storage location in my shop so I will have ample time to examine them since I have not looked at them since I put the LAT 70 ones on my car in 1968.  Right now, I am thinking, and I may be wrong, but, the back side of my wheel are same color as the front side and not black or any other color.   When I am done with moving parts around, I will post any new info I glean  to help muddy the water some more.

 

In any case, someone with an idea on how to post to the cat forums, lemme know?

 

Drmayf

Aka Larry

TWFS: 204.913 mph flying mile on the salt

And 210.779 mph out the back door.

 

The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger,  has been sold to another LSR racer of sorts.

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri May 27 17:36:59 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 16:36:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wheel back side Color...
Message-ID: <008101d87222$aa6722d0$ff356870$@mayfco.com>

Gasp, I was WRONG!  I earlier today said my OEM steel wheels, which came
with the car I have owned since Jan 1967, are not what I though they were. I
got all of the wheels down from the storage area in my shop today and oh
dang. The insides are all painted black! From the factory.  The car is a Mk
I that the records say was manufactured in I thinit was Sept 0r 1964 or
there abouts. The last for numbers of the vin are 1136 so that should
identify the actual time and day. I found in my pile a brand new 4 core
copper core I bought from CAT in the late 60's.  And an unwrapped CAT roll
bar, never installed.  A pair of still in oil paper  wrap, front brake
rotors.  2 sets of used upper and lower A arms. I have my front hub caps and
beauty rings as well.  The OEM anti roll bar and one of those rear bolt in
ones as well.   I stock piled a lot of stuff because one day in the fairly
near future I will cease.  And maybe before that sell my Tiger with lots of
stuff. I mean lots of stuff, lol. Not for sale yet as I want to add a
throttle body EFI system in replacement of a card. I need to find another
F4b or Eboc victor manifold and then get a Holley efi set up as a carb.   I
also have  a low gear applicable Positrac which I used with a ring and pinon
set up: 4.55:1 gears. Lemme ell ya,, this is only good for drag racing,
street  light to street light racing or auto cross. I tried driving it that
way to and from work but a screaming 289 finally convinced me that this was
not the thing to do, lol. It is currently available for trade for a positrac
for the high gear ratio gear sets from 3.54:1 to 2.88 :1.  I have the gears
s, will swap the gears and limited slip for a 2.88 rear gear compatible posi
limited slip.   I have a complete rear end that is dying to get back into
the car it came with. Currently has a 3.54:1 with posi in a second rear end,
which I will keep with car when it comes up for sale. .   

 

In any case

 

The inside of my Mk I wheels are black.. Oh, the infamy of it...

 

mayf

 

 

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun May 29 08:56:37 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 07:56:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold.
Message-ID: <000401d8736c$4de030b0$e9a09210$@mayfco.com>

Just surfing around today wasting my time, but I ran across a 4bbl intake
manifold on Ebay, listed for 299 bucks that is a cast iron small block ford
unit.  Says it is a rare unit and came on a Mustangs. So I am wondering if
this might be a hipo or truck unit?   Here is the listing info

 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/134061094395?hash=item1f36a9f5fb:g:CjkAAOSwEYliOMn
P> 


 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/134061094395?hash=item1f36a9f5fb:g:CjkAAOSwEYliOMn
P> OEM Ford 4 Barrel Intake Manifold C50E-9425-A 4F12 289 302 65 MUSTANG
RARE


 

If I am dumpster diving so to speak, what cars might this have actually been
installed on from the factory? The Ford literature I have (Muscle Parts)
says the manifold of choice for this time period (late 60's) was the
C90Z-9424-D, an aluminum hi riser. I have never seen one of these either.

 

Just curious folks. I would like to find a 4bbl intake aluminum or iron as I
want to put on a throttle body FI system on my cars engine (any one of three
engines I have, lol). 

 

Mayf

Twfs 204.913 mph flying mile avg

210.779 mph exit speed

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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 29 09:33:01 2022
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 15:33:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold.
In-Reply-To: <000401d8736c$4de030b0$e9a09210$@mayfco.com>
References: <000401d8736c$4de030b0$e9a09210$@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <54291010.2461573.1653838381950@mail.yahoo.com>

 Not rare, common Ford 4 barrel intake in really poor condition, a  C4OE-9425-B is harder to find.Cobra aluminum intakes were the thing in the 1960s.The C90Z-9424-D was the Ford parts counter 4 barrel intake, never used on a factory car.
David

    On Sunday, May 29, 2022, 07:57:01 AM PDT, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:  
 
 
Just surfing around today wasting my time, but I ran across a 4bbl intake manifold on Ebay, listed for 299 bucks that is a cast iron small block ford unit.? Says it is a rare unit and came on a Mustangs. So I am wondering if this might be a hipo or truck unit? ??Here is the listing info

?? 

OEM Ford 4 Barrel Intake Manifold C50E-9425-A 4F12 289 302 65 MUSTANG RARE

 ?

If I am dumpster diving so to speak, what cars might this have actually been installed on from the factory? The Ford literature I have (Muscle Parts) says the manifold of choice for this time period (late 60?s) was the C90Z-9424-D, an aluminum hi riser. I have never seen one of these either?

 ?

Just curious folks? I would like to find a 4bbl intake aluminum or iron as I want to put on a throttle body FI system on my cars engine (any one of three engines I have, lol). 

 ?

Mayf

Twfs 204.913 mph flying mile avg

210.779 mph exit speed
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun May 29 09:38:08 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 11:38:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold.
In-Reply-To: <000401d8736c$4de030b0$e9a09210$@mayfco.com>
References: <000401d8736c$4de030b0$e9a09210$@mayfco.com>
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Mayf

                

According to Bob Mannel's book

 

A late 1964 casting for Mustang, 4 bbl. intake manifold for 289 and HiPo
with PCV valve and has the thermostat pocket.

4F12 = June 12, 1964 casting date

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:57 AM
To: 'Tiger's List' <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold.

 

Just surfing around today wasting my time, but I ran across a 4bbl intake
manifold on Ebay, listed for 299 bucks that is a cast iron small block ford
unit.  Says it is a rare unit and came on a Mustangs. So I am wondering if
this might be a hipo or truck unit?   Here is the listing info

   


 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/134061094395?hash=item1f36a9f5fb:g:CjkAAOSwEYliOMn
P> OEM Ford 4 Barrel Intake Manifold C50E-9425-A 4F12 289 302 65 MUSTANG
RARE


 

If I am dumpster diving so to speak, what cars might this have actually been
installed on from the factory? The Ford literature I have (Muscle Parts)
says the manifold of choice for this time period (late 60's) was the
C90Z-9424-D, an aluminum hi riser. I have never seen one of these either.

 

Just curious folks. I would like to find a 4bbl intake aluminum or iron as I
want to put on a throttle body FI system on my cars engine (any one of three
engines I have, lol). 

 

Mayf

Twfs 204.913 mph flying mile avg

210.779 mph exit speed

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun May 29 09:44:49 2022
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 08:44:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold.
In-Reply-To: <000401d8736c$4de030b0$e9a09210$@mayfco.com>
References: <000401d8736c$4de030b0$e9a09210$@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <1b36ed93-c0ef-6bf6-cbee-1a42e57975d8@verizon.net>

 From my short looking on the internet I believe the "rare" part of the 
manifold is the area where the thermostat mounts. For those fussy about 
exact date codes etc. that rarity might have relevance. As a cast iron 4 
bbl. manifold..., it is only that. From a weight savings advantage you 
would probably be better off with any dual plane aftermarket aluminum 
4Bbl. manifold which used would cost about $100. Below is from a website:

/"About February/March 1965, all the manifolds were changed to remove 
the thermostat pocket from the manifold and make it part of the 
thermostat housing. The newly released 2V and 4V intake manifolds 
carried the casting numbers C5OE-9425-B and C5OE-9425-C, respectively. 
Note that the stamped letters were B and C for the 2V and 4V, 
respectively, and matched the last letter of the casting number."/

On 5/29/2022 7:56 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
>
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/134061094395?hash=item1f36a9f5fb:g:CjkAAOSwEYliOMnP>
>
>
>       _OEM Ford 4 Barrel Intake Manifold C50E-9425-A 4F12 289 302 65
>       <https://www.ebay.com/itm/134061094395?hash=item1f36a9f5fb:g:CjkAAOSwEYliOMnP>_
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sun May 29 09:50:09 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 11:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold.
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CJ Pony Parts has this on sale for Memorial Day.https://www.cjponyparts.com/intake-manifold-dual-plane-aluminum-black-289-302-1965-1973/p/IM1109BK/?year=1957&gclid=CjwKCAjws8yUBhA1EiwAi_tpETECrLYUCQ_dBJnTE3YWx_nYATP59umxidZvAQvLD9CKfYNDmWY1jRoCMYoQAvD_BwESent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> Date: 5/29/22  10:56 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'Tiger's List' <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold. Just surfing around today wasting my time, but I ran across a 4bbl intake manifold on Ebay, listed for 299 bucks that is a cast iron small block ford unit.? Says it is a rare unit and came on a Mustangs. So I am wondering if this might be a hipo or truck unit? ??Here is the listing info?? OEM Ford 4 Barrel Intake Manifold C50E-9425-A 4F12 289 302 65 MUSTANG RARE?If I am dumpster diving so to speak, what cars might this have actually been installed on from the factory? The Ford literature I have (Muscle Parts) says the manifold of choice for this time period (late 60?s) was the C90Z-9424-D, an aluminum hi riser. I have never seen one of these either??Just curious folks? I would like to find a 4bbl intake aluminum or iron as I want to put on a throttle body FI system on my cars engine (any one of three engines I have, lol). ?MayfTwfs 204.913 mph flying mile avg210.779 mph exit speed
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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 29 10:06:07 2022
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 16:06:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold.
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 <1989345744.1737561.1653839415845@verizon.net>
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09XXD4DQ9?tag=amz-mkt-fox-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-win10-dsk00-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-rscomp-feature-rscomp&ref=aa_rscomp
David

    On Sunday, May 29, 2022, 08:50:30 AM PDT, jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 CJ Pony Parts has this on sale for Memorial Day.

https://www.cjponyparts.com/intake-manifold-dual-plane-aluminum-black-289-302-1965-1973/p/IM1109BK/?year=1957&gclid=CjwKCAjws8yUBhA1EiwAi_tpETECrLYUCQ_dBJnTE3YWx_nYATP59umxidZvAQvLD9CKfYNDmWY1jRoCMYoQAvD_BwE

Sent from my Galaxy

-------- Original message --------From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> Date: 5/29/22 10:56 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Tiger's List' <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold. 

Just surfing around today wasting my time, but I ran across a 4bbl intake manifold on Ebay, listed for 299 bucks that is a cast iron small block ford unit.? Says it is a rare unit and came on a Mustangs. So I am wondering if this might be a hipo or truck unit? ??Here is the listing info

?? 

OEM Ford 4 Barrel Intake Manifold C50E-9425-A 4F12 289 302 65 MUSTANG RARE

?

If I am dumpster diving so to speak, what cars might this have actually been installed on from the factory? The Ford literature I have (Muscle Parts) says the manifold of choice for this time period (late 60?s) was the C90Z-9424-D, an aluminum hi riser. I have never seen one of these either?

?

Just curious folks? I would like to find a 4bbl intake aluminum or iron as I want to put on a throttle body FI system on my cars engine (any one of three engines I have, lol). 

?

Mayf

Twfs 204.913 mph flying mile avg

210.779 mph exit speed
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