From rollright at aol.com  Sun Mar  6 09:37:03 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2022 16:37:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] 13"  tire I didn't know about
References: <84815931.223110.1646584623749.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <84815931.223110.1646584623749@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?On reading the April issue of? Hemmings? 'Classic Car' ,I found an ad on page 11;Lucas Classic Tire advertised various sizes of Pirelli Cinturato.The size I wanted to bring to your attention was 185/70VR13 CN36 @ $169 eachTheir web address is? WWW.LUCASCLASSICTIRES.COM?I hope this is of use to someone out there..?Regards to all.?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From Richard.Gibney at hdrinc.com  Wed Mar  2 07:29:37 2022
From: Richard.Gibney at hdrinc.com (Gibney, Richard)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 14:29:37 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Email Address Change
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB52916C822482182EB93E96F6F8039@DM6PR02MB5291.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hello, I currently receive the Tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> email on this address.  Can you please change it to 65TigerGib at gmail.com<mailto:65TigerGib at gmail.com>.

Thanks

Richard Gibney, PE, ASQ/CQA
QMS Lead Auditor/Sr. Professional Associate
HDR
4830 W. Kennedy BLVD, Suite 400,
Tampa, FL 33609-2548
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From rollright at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 17:00:12 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 00:00:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID
References: <86271470.38413.1646784012490.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <86271470.38413.1646784012490@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
?I'm trying to find a source for clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID. About 4 feet ideally.?I got some yellow that is the right size but I can't find clear.?Any ideas ?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From andrew.heaton at att.net  Tue Mar  8 17:02:31 2022
From: andrew.heaton at att.net (Andrew Heaton)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 00:02:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID
In-Reply-To: <86271470.38413.1646784012490@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <86271470.38413.1646784012490.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <86271470.38413.1646784012490@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <151244141.46724.1646784151404@mail.yahoo.com>

Home Depot?


Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, 4:01 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hello all,
?I'm trying to find a source for clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID. About 4 feet ideally.?I got some yellow that is the right size but I can't find clear.?Any ideas ?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763_______________________________________________

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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar  8 17:09:02 2022
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 00:09:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID
In-Reply-To: <86271470.38413.1646784012490@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <86271470.38413.1646784012490.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <86271470.38413.1646784012490@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <327303457.48253.1646784542470@mail.yahoo.com>

 A place that sells fish/aquarium supplies.
Or
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265398161068?hash=item3dcaf68eac:g:t8sAAOSwa~JbO3Jm
David

    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, 04:00:52 PM PST, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hello all,
?I'm trying to find a source for clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID. About 4 feet ideally.?I got some yellow that is the right size but I can't find clear.?Any ideas ?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763_______________________________________________

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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar  8 17:23:39 2022
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2022 19:23:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID
In-Reply-To: <86271470.38413.1646784012490@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <86271470.38413.1646784012490.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <86271470.38413.1646784012490@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0855DCB4-B7B0-4699-8D91-B8FA84B708D4@sbcglobal.net>

I suggest McMaster-Carr. They have? several options from which to choose. I?ve always found them to be fair-priced and they deliver quickly.

Here is a link to the relevant page :

https://www.mcmaster.com/tubing/color~clear/material~pvc-plastic/od~3-16/

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Reply-To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:01 PM
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID

 

Hello all,

 

I'm trying to find a source for clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID. About 4 feet ideally.

 

I got some yellow that is the right size but I can't find clear.

 

Any ideas ?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Mar  8 19:19:51 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 21:19:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID
In-Reply-To: <0855DCB4-B7B0-4699-8D91-B8FA84B708D4@sbcglobal.net>
References: <86271470.38413.1646784012490.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <86271470.38413.1646784012490@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0855DCB4-B7B0-4699-8D91-B8FA84B708D4@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1566928323.1264764.1646792391544@connect.xfinity.com>

Is this for the windshield washer?
Gary



>     On 03/08/2022 7:23 PM Donald Antilla via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     I suggest McMaster-Carr. They have  several options from which to choose. I?ve always found them to be fair-priced and they deliver quickly.
> 
>     Here is a link to the relevant page :
> 
>     https://www.mcmaster.com/tubing/color~clear/material~pvc-plastic/od~3-16/
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Reply-To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
>     Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:01 PM
>     To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [Tigers] clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID
> 
> 
>     Hello all,
> 
>      
> 
>     I'm trying to find a source for clear Vinyl tubing, 3/16 OD, 3/32 ID. About 4 feet ideally.
> 
>      
> 
>     I got some yellow that is the right size but I can't find clear.
> 
>      
> 
>     Any ideas ?
> 
> 
>     Jim Armstrong
> 
>     Mk 1A
> 
>     382002083 LRXFE
> 
>     Code 86
> 
>     TAC # 0763
> 
>     _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427 at sbcglobal.net
> 
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> 
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From rollright at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 10:45:51 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 17:45:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] clear tubing
References: <1044370167.197949.1646847951636.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1044370167.197949.1646847951636@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?I followed :the lead offered by a couple of guys on the list? and bought it on ebay.?Thanks to all !?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Mar 14 09:27:58 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 11:27:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat housing
Message-ID: <000401d837b8$1721f080$4565d180$@bluefrog.com>

Are there any casting number or markings on the thermostat housing used on
the C5OE-9425D intake manifold?

 

This intake manifold is mostly in the B19KC engine group.  It might be a
Tiger specific intake manifold.

 

This is the time frame that Ford moved the thermostat recess from the intake
manifold to the thermostat housing.

 

I would also like to know if that thermostat housing is made of cast iron or
aluminum.

 

The original Tiger engine survey form is online -
<https://teae.org/tiger-engine-study/> Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast
AlpinesEast (teae.org)

 

Please participate - the more information gathered the better the research
quality.

 

Thank you

Ron Fraser

 

 

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Mar 14 09:48:48 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 11:48:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat housing
In-Reply-To: <000401d837b8$1721f080$4565d180$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <652508459.697134.1647272937949@verizon.net>

The housing on my C5OE-9425D intake has C5OE-8592A embossed on it.? It has the recess and is made aluminum.? Magnet don't stick to it.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 3/14/22  11:28 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] thermostat housing Are there any casting number or markings on the thermostat housing used on the C5OE-9425D intake manifold??This intake manifold is mostly in the B19KC engine group.? It might be a Tiger specific intake manifold.?This is the time frame that Ford moved the thermostat recess from the intake manifold to the thermostat housing.?I would also like to know if that thermostat housing is made of cast iron or aluminum.?The original Tiger engine survey form is online - ?Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast AlpinesEast (teae.org)?Please participate ? the more information gathered the better the research quality.?Thank youRon Fraser??
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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 14 10:01:14 2022
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat housing
In-Reply-To: <000401d837b8$1721f080$4565d180$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000401d837b8$1721f080$4565d180$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <842186003.891131.1647273674532@mail.yahoo.com>

 

Here is how they were marked, all originals are aluminum, no cast iron ones.
David

    On Monday, March 14, 2022, 08:28:25 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:  
 
 
Are there any casting number or markings on the thermostat housing used on the C5OE-9425D intake manifold?

 ?

This intake manifold is mostly in the B19KC engine group.? It might be a Tiger specific intake manifold.

 ?

This is the time frame that Ford moved the thermostat recess from the intake manifold to the thermostat housing.

 ?

I would also like to know if that thermostat housing is made of cast iron or aluminum.

 ?

The original Tiger engine survey form is online - ?Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast AlpinesEast (teae.org)

 ?

Please participate ? the more information gathered the better the research quality.

 ?

Thank you

Ron Fraser

 ?

 ?
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Mar 14 10:04:37 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 12:04:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat housing
In-Reply-To: <652508459.697134.1647272937949@verizon.net>
References: <000401d837b8$1721f080$4565d180$@bluefrog.com>
 <652508459.697134.1647272937949@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001201d837bd$357905a0$a06b10e0$@bluefrog.com>

Thank you Jim

 

That fills in a blank I had in my engine information.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 11:49 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] thermostat housing

 

The housing on my C5OE-9425D intake has C5OE-8592A embossed on it.  It has the recess and is made aluminum.  Magnet don't stick to it.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 

Date: 3/14/22 11:28 AM (GMT-05:00) 

To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>  

Subject: [Tigers] thermostat housing 

 

Are there any casting number or markings on the thermostat housing used on the C5OE-9425D intake manifold?

 

This intake manifold is mostly in the B19KC engine group.  It might be a Tiger specific intake manifold.

 

This is the time frame that Ford moved the thermostat recess from the intake manifold to the thermostat housing.

 

I would also like to know if that thermostat housing is made of cast iron or aluminum.

 

The original Tiger engine survey form is online -   <https://teae.org/tiger-engine-study/> Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast AlpinesEast (teae.org)

 

Please participate ? the more information gathered the better the research quality.

 

Thank you

Ron Fraser

 

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Mar 14 10:38:27 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 12:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat housing
In-Reply-To: <842186003.891131.1647273674532@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000401d837b8$1721f080$4565d180$@bluefrog.com>
 <842186003.891131.1647273674532@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d837c1$efda3320$cf8e9960$@bluefrog.com>

David

                Thank you for your picture.

Every piece of information helps.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: D or G at sbc <orr4sale at sbcglobal.net> 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 12:01 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] thermostat housing

 

  <https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FLgAAOSwwBdh2N89/s-l1600.jpg> 

 

Here is how they were marked, all originals are aluminum, no cast iron ones.

 

David

 

On Monday, March 14, 2022, 08:28:25 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Are there any casting number or markings on the thermostat housing used on the C5OE-9425D intake manifold?

 

This intake manifold is mostly in the B19KC engine group.  It might be a Tiger specific intake manifold.

 

This is the time frame that Ford moved the thermostat recess from the intake manifold to the thermostat housing.

 

I would also like to know if that thermostat housing is made of cast iron or aluminum.

 

The original Tiger engine survey form is online -   <https://teae.org/tiger-engine-study/> Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast AlpinesEast (teae.org)

 

Please participate ? the more information gathered the better the research quality.

 

Thank you

Ron Fraser

 

 

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From rollright at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 10:06:35 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 16:06:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
References: <736342245.1320469.1647360395838.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <736342245.1320469.1647360395838@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
?My trunk restoration is coming to a closeI have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front of the car, or the rearI have pictures that depict both ways.?And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.?Yours for the sport,?Jim Armstrong
rollright at aol.com?
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Tue Mar 15 13:42:00 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 15:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
In-Reply-To: <736342245.1320469.1647360395838@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <443975374.2131625.1647373324990@verizon.net>

I installed my tool roll strap with the buckle towards the back of the car.? That's how I saw it installed in pics off the internet.??Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 3/15/22  12:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt Hello all,
?
My trunk restoration is coming to a close
I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front of the car, or the rear
I have pictures that depict both ways.
?
And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
?
Yours for the sport,
?
Jim Armstrongrollright at aol.com
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Mar 15 17:06:56 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
In-Reply-To: <736342245.1320469.1647360395838@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <736342245.1320469.1647360395838.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <736342245.1320469.1647360395838@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

                I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.

The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.

 

Ron Fraser  

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt

 

Hello all,

 

My trunk restoration is coming to a close

I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt


When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front of the car, or the rear

I have pictures that depict both ways.

 

And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.

 

Yours for the sport,

 

Jim Armstrong
rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> 

 

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Mar 15 21:53:57 2022
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues
References: <4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9@verizon.net>

Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent. 
https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point but 
I'm sure there are more to be found.


From rollright at aol.com  Wed Mar 16 15:53:04 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:53:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
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I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a expert. There are to be a law?
Jim Armstrong

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> Jim
> 
>                I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
> 
> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Fraser  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
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> 
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> 
> 
> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
> 
> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
> 
> 
> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front of the car, or the rear
> 
> I have pictures that depict both ways.
> 
> 
> 
> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
> 
> 
> 
> Yours for the sport,
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> 
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> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent. 
> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point but 
> I'm sure there are more to be found.
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Wed Mar 16 16:27:38 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:27:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
In-Reply-To: <6EC2BB99-7AE9-4CEF-B68D-1D13575387B8@aol.com>
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Beating the firewall with a hammer. Really, that again.? That guy may know his American cars,? but he sure isn't an expert on Sunbeams.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 3/16/22  5:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a expert. There are to be a law?Jim ArmstrongSent from my iPhone> On Mar 16, 2022, at 2:01 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:> > ?Send Tigers mailing list submissions to>??? tigers at autox.team.net> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>??? tigers-request at autox.team.net> > You can reach the person managing the list at>??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> >?? 1. Re: toll roll belt (Ron Fraser)>?? 2. The myth, and other urban legends continues (Tom Witt)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt> Message-ID: <001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Jim> >??????????????? I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.> > The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.> > > > Ron Fraser? > > > > From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM> To: tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt> > > > Hello all,> > > > My trunk restoration is coming to a close> > I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt> > > When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front of the car, or the rear> > I have pictures that depict both ways.> > > > And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.> > > > Yours for the sport,> > > > Jim Armstrong> rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> > > > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20220315/cf5489bb/attachment-0001.htm>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700> From: Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>> Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues> Message-ID: <4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9 at verizon.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed> > Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent. > https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point but > I'm sure there are more to be found.> > > > ------------------------------> > Subject: Digest Footer> > _______________________________________________> Tigers mailing list> Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive> > > ------------------------------> > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 127> ***************************************_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio at verizon.net
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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 16:27:34 2022
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:27:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
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If it's on the internet, it must be true, right?

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 5:53 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he
> doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a expert.
> There are to be a law?
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
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> > Jim
> >
> >                I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit
> strap.
> >
> > The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Fraser
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James
> Armstrong via Tigers
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> >
> >
> > My trunk restoration is coming to a close
> >
> > I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
> >
> >
> > When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front of
> the car, or the rear
> >
> > I have pictures that depict both ways.
> >
> >
> >
> > And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yours for the sport,
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Armstrong
> > rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com>
> >
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> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700
> > From: Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
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> > Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
> > https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point but
> > I'm sure there are more to be found.
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 17:42:13 2022
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 19:42:13 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
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That car was on craigslist in western Mass all last fall for $750, for
quite some time I may add. Isn't the guy talking, the owner of Empire Auto
of TV fame? Some parts there but not much else.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 6:29 PM Stu via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> If it's on the internet, it must be true, right?
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 5:53 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he
>> doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a expert.
>> There are to be a law?
>> Jim Armstrong
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
>> > Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>> > Message-ID: <001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> >                I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit
>> strap.
>> >
>> > The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ron Fraser
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James
>> Armstrong via Tigers
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> > Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>> >
>> > I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>> >
>> >
>> > When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front
>> of the car, or the rear
>> >
>> > I have pictures that depict both ways.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yours for the sport,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jim Armstrong
>> > rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700
>> > From: Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
>> > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues
>> > Message-ID: <4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9 at verizon.net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
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>> > Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>> > https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point but
>> > I'm sure there are more to be found.
>> >
>> >
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Mar 16 18:27:37 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 20:27:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
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Jeff

                That was Steve Magnante of Roadkill Junkyard Gold.

 

I believe some of the earliest Tiger proto types probably had some hammer work done to clear everything until the proper transmission tunnel was engineered.

 

You can?t have a production line with a burly guy swinging a hammer, it would have taken a team of burly guys which is too costly and too imprecise.

 

Jensen cut the Alpine tunnel out and welded in the Tiger tunnel, no burly guys, no big hammers.

 

We know Steve got it wrong and I know others who get it wrong too; it is one of those legends that gets more wrong every year.

 

The story was written down so it had to be factual.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jeffery Randall via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 7:42 PM
To: Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com>
Cc: JAMES ARMSTRONG <rollright at aol.com>; Tiger Net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video

 

That car was on craigslist in western Mass all last fall for $750, for quite some time I may add. Isn't the guy talking, the owner of Empire Auto of TV fame? Some parts there but not much else.

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 6:29 PM Stu via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

If it's on the internet, it must be true, right?

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 5:53 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a expert. There are to be a law?
Jim Armstrong

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> Jim
> 
>                I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
> 
> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Fraser  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
> 
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> 
> 
> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
> 
> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
> 
> 
> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front of the car, or the rear
> 
> I have pictures that depict both ways.
> 
> 
> 
> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
> 
> 
> 
> Yours for the sport,
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com>  <mailto:rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> > 
> 
> 
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> To: "tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> " <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
> Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues
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> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent. 
> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point but 
> I'm sure there are more to be found.
> 
> 
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Mar 16 18:59:11 2022
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:59:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
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References: <mailman.5.1647453601.2324.tigers@autox.team.net>
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I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got 
wrong to some degree (in order of appearance):

He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the distinctive 
side trim.

He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms."? That is a term 
I have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched into 
the front/top of the crossmember.

The? firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.

The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.

He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.

He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.

He eluded that the? BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but the 
first 50 or so Tigers had them.

The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says 
1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says 
Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named? "The Slug". 
I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike 
Taylor's book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred? to as a 
Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too 
much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.

I actually met Magnante? at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very 
personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson 
events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be 
struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has 
something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker and 
got a number of things wrong there too.



On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:
> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a expert. There are to be a law?
> Jim Armstrong
>
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
>> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
>> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>> Message-ID: <001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>                 I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
>>
>> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>>
>> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>>
>>
>> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front of the car, or the rear
>>
>> I have pictures that depict both ways.
>>
>>
>>
>> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours for the sport,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Armstrong
>> rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700
>> From: Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
>> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues
>> Message-ID: <4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9 at verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point but
>> I'm sure there are more to be found.
>>
>>
>>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Mar 16 19:31:25 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 21:31:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
In-Reply-To: <46d86d9f-53a7-cc88-a33e-57f67ea3f410@verizon.net>
References: <mailman.5.1647453601.2324.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <6EC2BB99-7AE9-4CEF-B68D-1D13575387B8@aol.com>
 <46d86d9f-53a7-cc88-a33e-57f67ea3f410@verizon.net>
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Tom

Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.

Sunbeam Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. Seagrave.

This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 & 45 - also on pg.41 "the big bruiser of a man and the biggest mallet I've seen."

I'm sure in many cases Steve Magnante is researching the car he find on the internet on the spot and we know from experience most of that information is questionable.

My guess is Steve is trying to find a good way to earn a living.

Ron Fraser

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video

I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got wrong to some degree (in order of appearance):

He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the distinctive side trim.

He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms."  That is a term I have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched into the front/top of the crossmember.

The  firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.

The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.

He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.

He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.

He eluded that the  BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but the first 50 or so Tigers had them.

The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says
1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named  "The Slug". 
I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike Taylor's book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred  to as a Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.

I actually met Magnante  at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker and got a number of things wrong there too.



On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:
> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he 
> doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a 
> expert. There are to be a law? Jim Armstrong
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 16, 2022, at 2:01 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
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>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
>> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>> Message-ID: <001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>                 I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
>>
>> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James 
>> Armstrong via Tigers
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>>
>> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>>
>>
>> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front 
>> of the car, or the rear
>>
>> I have pictures that depict both ways.
>>
>>
>>
>> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours for the sport,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Armstrong
>> rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700
>> From: Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
>> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues
>> Message-ID: <4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9 at verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point 
>> but I'm sure there are more to be found.
>>
>>
>>
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 16 19:39:12 2022
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 19:39:12 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
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He also talked about there being a bulge in the trunk to clear the rear end on Tigers? but did not mention the relocated spare tire and battery. 

It?s tough for guys like him that review a lot of different cars and have to try to pick up points of interest on each one? they are always going to get massacred by the marque specialists.

Theo

> On Mar 16, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom
> 
> Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.
> 
> Sunbeam Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. Seagrave.
> 
> This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 & 45 - also on pg.41 "the big bruiser of a man and the biggest mallet I've seen."
> 
> I'm sure in many cases Steve Magnante is researching the car he find on the internet on the spot and we know from experience most of that information is questionable.
> 
> My guess is Steve is trying to find a good way to earn a living.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video
> 
> I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got wrong to some degree (in order of appearance):
> 
> He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the distinctive side trim.
> 
> He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms."  That is a term I have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched into the front/top of the crossmember.
> 
> The  firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.
> 
> The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.
> 
> He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.
> 
> He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.
> 
> He eluded that the  BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but the first 50 or so Tigers had them.
> 
> The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says
> 1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named  "The Slug". 
> I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike Taylor's book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred  to as a Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.
> 
> I actually met Magnante  at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker and got a number of things wrong there too.
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:
>> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he 
>> doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a 
>> expert. There are to be a law? Jim Armstrong
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2022, at 2:01 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>> 
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
>>> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
>>> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>> Message-ID: <001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>>                I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
>>> 
>>> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron Fraser
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James 
>>> Armstrong via Tigers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>>> 
>>> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front 
>>> of the car, or the rear
>>> 
>>> I have pictures that depict both ways.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yours for the sport,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim Armstrong
>>> rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com>
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700
>>> From: Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
>>> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues
>>> Message-ID: <4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9 at verizon.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>>> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point 
>>> but I'm sure there are more to be found.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 16 22:50:28 2022
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 21:50:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Clueless video
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Well, he got the steering box right anyway! Hey, it?s all entertainment ? right? 
And, he stirred up the Tiger Community so, it?s not all bad. ;-)
Cheers,
Jim B

> On Mar 16, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Theo Smit via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> He also talked about there being a bulge in the trunk to clear the rear end on Tigers? but did not mention the relocated spare tire and battery. 
> 
> It?s tough for guys like him that review a lot of different cars and have to try to pick up points of interest on each one? they are always going to get massacred by the marque specialists.
> 
> Theo
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.
>> 
>> Sunbeam Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. Seagrave.
>> 
>> This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 & 45 - also on pg.41 "the big bruiser of a man and the biggest mallet I've seen."
>> 
>> I'm sure in many cases Steve Magnante is researching the car he find on the internet on the spot and we know from experience most of that information is questionable.
>> 
>> My guess is Steve is trying to find a good way to earn a living.
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video
>> 
>> I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got wrong to some degree (in order of appearance):
>> 
>> He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the distinctive side trim.
>> 
>> He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms."  That is a term I have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched into the front/top of the crossmember.
>> 
>> The  firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.
>> 
>> The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.
>> 
>> He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.
>> 
>> He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.
>> 
>> He eluded that the  BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but the first 50 or so Tigers had them.
>> 
>> The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says
>> 1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named  "The Slug". 
>> I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike Taylor's book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred  to as a Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.
>> 
>> I actually met Magnante  at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker and got a number of things wrong there too.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:
>>> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he 
>>> doesn?t know what he?s talking about. And he comes on that he?s a 
>>> expert. There are to be a law? Jim Armstrong
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
>>>> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>>>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
>>>> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>>> Message-ID: <001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>>               I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
>>>> 
>>>> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James 
>>>> Armstrong via Tigers
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>>>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>>>> 
>>>> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front 
>>>> of the car, or the rear
>>>> 
>>>> I have pictures that depict both ways.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yours for the sport,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Armstrong
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>>>> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>>>> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point 
>>>> but I'm sure there are more to be found.
>>>> 
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 28 18:17:10 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 00:17:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve
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Hello All
With a aluminum radiator, what should the pounds of the cap should be on the overflow tank?? I have had a 13 pound cap on the overflow tank and have gone through 3? heater control values in 5700 miles and they all leak.
So now I am thinking about a 90 degrees manual valve with a very short handle that would fit in the stock location as the heater control valve utilizing the bracket of the heater control valve that? would allow me to bleed all air from the motor at the highest point, which I believe is the heater core,. The idea is try and and retain as close to possible the stock correct look, be able to bleed any air when refilling the radiator and have the ability to manually turn on the heater once to twice a year as I live in a very moderate environment and drive the car year round.
Any ideas as to a part number or manufacture that would meet these requirements or any other ideas?
Thanks
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 28 18:57:26 2022
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:57:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve
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The main worry, as regards cooling system pressure, is the end tanks on the heater core. Your radiator will be more than happy at anything the rest of the system can handle. 

Griffin recommends a 16 to 18 pound cap maximum. 

Cheers, 
Theo 




From: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
To: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 6:17:10 PM 
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve 

Hello All 

With a aluminum radiator, what should the pounds of the cap should be on the overflow tank? I have had a 13 pound cap on the overflow tank and have gone through 3 heater control values in 5700 miles and they all leak. 

So now I am thinking about a 90 degrees manual valve with a very short handle that would fit in the stock location as the heater control valve utilizing the bracket of the heater control valve that would allow me to bleed all air from the motor at the highest point, which I believe is the heater core,. The idea is try and and retain as close to possible the stock correct look, be able to bleed any air when refilling the radiator and have the ability to manually turn on the heater once to twice a year as I live in a very moderate environment and drive the car year round. 

Any ideas as to a part number or manufacture that would meet these requirements or any other ideas? 

Thanks 

Joel Martin 

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 19:32:30 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:32:30 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve
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The Tiger heater core is a known weak point, the sides of the core balloon
and stick it in the recess.. and they will also crack and leak. The later
style smiths heater valve as used on MKIA and MKII also seems a weaker
design than the earlier style MKI valve.

The repro MKIA/II style valves (MGC) had several faulty batches and they
tended to fail.

A big consideration is the original heater cores came from the alpine..
they were designed for a 7-9lbs pressure, same with the valve... the tiger
system upped the psi and stresses the valves and core.

I would recommend getting a new heater core out of the UK as they are rated
to higher psi.. also add cable ties around the circumference of them to
help brace the ends to the core.

just my .02

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 08:58, Theo Smit via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> The main worry, as regards cooling system pressure, is the end tanks on
> the heater core. Your radiator will be more than happy at anything the rest
> of the system can handle.
>
> Griffin recommends a 16 to 18 pound cap maximum.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *To: *"tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Monday, March 28, 2022 6:17:10 PM
> *Subject: *[Tigers] Heater control valve
>
> Hello All
>
> With a aluminum radiator, what should the pounds of the cap should be on
> the overflow tank?  I have had a 13 pound cap on the overflow tank and have
> gone through 3  heater control values in 5700 miles and they all leak.
>
> So now I am thinking about a 90 degrees manual valve with a very short
> handle that would fit in the stock location as the heater control valve
> utilizing the bracket of the heater control valve that  would allow me to
> bleed all air from the motor at the highest point, which I believe is the
> heater core,. The idea is try and and retain as close to possible the stock
> correct look, be able to bleed any air when refilling the radiator and have
> the ability to manually turn on the heater once to twice a year as I live
> in a very moderate environment and drive the car year round.
>
> Any ideas as to a part number or manufacture that would meet these
> requirements or any other ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel Martin
>
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Tue Mar 29 07:53:40 2022
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (LARRY PAULICK)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:53:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve
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I believe it was Tom Hall, who enclosed the valve mechanism in the heater core area. I did this using a Honda valve with a couple of tricks for all the connections.  It has worked great since 1990 with no leaks.
Since it's a Honda valve
, it actually works as opposed to slow leaks in the Sunbeam valve, which never really shuts off.

Of course it's not stock, but I always thought the heater valve looked like," oh we forgot something?, and was just plain ugly to me.

I have photos and an article.


> On Mar 28, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Theo Smit via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The main worry, as regards cooling system pressure, is the end tanks on the heater core. Your radiator will be more than happy at anything the rest of the system can handle.
> 
> Griffin recommends a 16 to 18 pound cap maximum.
> 
> Cheers,
> Theo
> 
> 
> 
> From: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> To: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 6:17:10 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve
> 
> Hello All
> 
> With a aluminum radiator, what should the pounds of the cap should be on the overflow tank?  I have had a 13 pound cap on the overflow tank and have gone through 3  heater control values in 5700 miles and they all leak.
> 
> So now I am thinking about a 90 degrees manual valve with a very short handle that would fit in the stock location as the heater control valve utilizing the bracket of the heater control valve that  would allow me to bleed all air from the motor at the highest point, which I believe is the heater core,. The idea is try and and retain as close to possible the stock correct look, be able to bleed any air when refilling the radiator and have the ability to manually turn on the heater once to twice a year as I live in a very moderate environment and drive the car year round.
> 
> Any ideas as to a part number or manufacture that would meet these requirements or any other ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joel Martin
> 
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From wjtwgoodman at aol.com  Tue Mar 29 11:47:18 2022
From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 17:47:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 132
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The replacement Sunbeam Specialties sells is heavier and likely better on the side covers.?The stock cores are thin tubes that are easily damaged when rodding them out. While apart drop in another core, my .20 cents :)

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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 00:17:10 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve
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Hello All
With a aluminum radiator, what should the pounds of the cap should be on the overflow tank?? I have had a 13 pound cap on the overflow tank and have gone through 3? heater control values in 5700 miles and they all leak.
So now I am thinking about a 90 degrees manual valve with a very short handle that would fit in the stock location as the heater control valve utilizing the bracket of the heater control valve that? would allow me to bleed all air from the motor at the highest point, which I believe is the heater core,. The idea is try and and retain as close to possible the stock correct look, be able to bleed any air when refilling the radiator and have the ability to manually turn on the heater once to twice a year as I live in a very moderate environment and drive the car year round.
Any ideas as to a part number or manufacture that would meet these requirements or any other ideas?
Thanks
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From: Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca>
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control valve
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The main worry, as regards cooling system pressure, is the end tanks on the heater core. Your radiator will be more than happy at anything the rest of the system can handle. 

Griffin recommends a 16 to 18 pound cap maximum. 

Cheers, 
Theo 




From: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
To: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 6:17:10 PM 
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve 

Hello All 

With a aluminum radiator, what should the pounds of the cap should be on the overflow tank? I have had a 13 pound cap on the overflow tank and have gone through 3 heater control values in 5700 miles and they all leak. 

So now I am thinking about a 90 degrees manual valve with a very short handle that would fit in the stock location as the heater control valve utilizing the bracket of the heater control valve that would allow me to bleed all air from the motor at the highest point, which I believe is the heater core,. The idea is try and and retain as close to possible the stock correct look, be able to bleed any air when refilling the radiator and have the ability to manually turn on the heater once to twice a year as I live in a very moderate environment and drive the car year round. 

Any ideas as to a part number or manufacture that would meet these requirements or any other ideas? 

Thanks 

Joel Martin 

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To: Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control valve
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The Tiger heater core is a known weak point, the sides of the core balloon
and stick it in the recess.. and they will also crack and leak. The later
style smiths heater valve as used on MKIA and MKII also seems a weaker
design than the earlier style MKI valve.

The repro MKIA/II style valves (MGC) had several faulty batches and they
tended to fail.

A big consideration is the original heater cores came from the alpine..
they were designed for a 7-9lbs pressure, same with the valve... the tiger
system upped the psi and stresses the valves and core.

I would recommend getting a new heater core out of the UK as they are rated
to higher psi.. also add cable ties around the circumference of them to
help brace the ends to the core.

just my .02

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 08:58, Theo Smit via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> The main worry, as regards cooling system pressure, is the end tanks on
> the heater core. Your radiator will be more than happy at anything the rest
> of the system can handle.
>
> Griffin recommends a 16 to 18 pound cap maximum.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *To: *"tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Monday, March 28, 2022 6:17:10 PM
> *Subject: *[Tigers] Heater control valve
>
> Hello All
>
> With a aluminum radiator, what should the pounds of the cap should be on
> the overflow tank?? I have had a 13 pound cap on the overflow tank and have
> gone through 3? heater control values in 5700 miles and they all leak.
>
> So now I am thinking about a 90 degrees manual valve with a very short
> handle that would fit in the stock location as the heater control valve
> utilizing the bracket of the heater control valve that? would allow me to
> bleed all air from the motor at the highest point, which I believe is the
> heater core,. The idea is try and and retain as close to possible the stock
> correct look, be able to bleed any air when refilling the radiator and have
> the ability to manually turn on the heater once to twice a year as I live
> in a very moderate environment and drive the car year round.
>
> Any ideas as to a part number or manufacture that would meet these
> requirements or any other ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel Martin
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:53:40 -0400
From: LARRY PAULICK <lpaulick1 at verizon.net>
To: Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca>
Cc: "jmartiniii at yahoo.com" <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>,
??? "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control valve
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I believe it was Tom Hall, who enclosed the valve mechanism in the heater core area. I did this using a Honda valve with a couple of tricks for all the connections.? It has worked great since 1990 with no leaks.
Since it's a Honda valve
, it actually works as opposed to slow leaks in the Sunbeam valve, which never really shuts off.

Of course it's not stock, but I always thought the heater valve looked like," oh we forgot something?, and was just plain ugly to me.

I have photos and an article.


> On Mar 28, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Theo Smit via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The main worry, as regards cooling system pressure, is the end tanks on the heater core. Your radiator will be more than happy at anything the rest of the system can handle.
> 
> Griffin recommends a 16 to 18 pound cap maximum.
> 
> Cheers,
> Theo
> 
> 
> 
> From: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> To: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 6:17:10 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve
> 
> Hello All
> 
> With a aluminum radiator, what should the pounds of the cap should be on the overflow tank?? I have had a 13 pound cap on the overflow tank and have gone through 3? heater control values in 5700 miles and they all leak.
> 
> So now I am thinking about a 90 degrees manual valve with a very short handle that would fit in the stock location as the heater control valve utilizing the bracket of the heater control valve that? would allow me to bleed all air from the motor at the highest point, which I believe is the heater core,. The idea is try and and retain as close to possible the stock correct look, be able to bleed any air when refilling the radiator and have the ability to manually turn on the heater once to twice a year as I live in a very moderate environment and drive the car year round.
> 
> Any ideas as to a part number or manufacture that would meet these requirements or any other ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joel Martin
> 
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