[Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 103
Jay
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Sat Feb 19 16:36:15 MST 2022
I don’t think my comment really works. I think as Joe pointed out, it should flow back to the reservoir.
Although I don’t understand how a plunger that is too long could cause problems either. If the plunger it too long, that will just cause the pedal to be higher. Unless the higher pedal hits something and that causes the plunger not to pull all the way out.
As Joe pointed out, if it doesn’t come back far enough, then the hole to the reservoir won’t get uncovered. Maybe the piston or the round end of the plunger are wrong, and not allowing the piston to set all the way back. And maybe that’s why someone assembled it before with the disk outside of the circlip.
> On Feb 19, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Perhaps the piston was too far out before. So there is too much fluid in the MC. Crack open one slave to release the excess and see if that takes care of it.
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> With hose, etc. of course
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>> On Feb 19, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> Now I am confused. Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer, reinsert circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup. Place u end of plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.
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>> Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.
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>> What is going on? Ideas?
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>> Thanks
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>> https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX <https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX>
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>> Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.
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>> The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore holding everything in.
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>> The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it which rarely happens.
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>> Ron Fraser
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>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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>> Hello all.
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>> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot? Rubber boot was split. There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
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>> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
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>> My question: How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?
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>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
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>> There are so many oddities here. First, at one end, the plunger should have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. So since it “came out” of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed. But FWIW, I can’t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
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>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
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>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot. No Brakes. Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
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>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
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>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
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>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
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>> Thanks
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>> Joel,
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>> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip. See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
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>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
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>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot. No Brakes. Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>>
>>
>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>>
>>
>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>>
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>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
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>> Yup, it was assembled WRONG.
>> Yes, it appears to be assembled according to the photo that was posted from the
>> shop manual... which is wrong.
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>> The circlip must retain the washer that is captive on the pushrod. Pushrod should NOT
>> fall out loose from the master cylinder assembly.
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>> Hopefully you did not sustain any injury or damage to your Tiger.
>> Gary
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>>> On 02/17/2022 1:35 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> That totally matches what I would expect to see. That round disc should have been on the inside of the clip. So either it was not assembled that way, which is odd. Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the MC and the clip.
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>>>> On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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>>>> Hello all.
>>>>
>>>> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot? Rubber boot was split. There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
>>>>
>>>> My question: How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?
>>>>
>>>> <My_Brake_plunger.jpg>
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>>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
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>>>> There are so many oddities here. First, at one end, the plunger should have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. So since it “came out” of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed. But FWIW, I can’t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
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>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot. No Brakes. Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>>>>>
>>>>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
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>>>> Joel,
>>>> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip. See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
>>>>
>>>> Will - 382001570
>>>> Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com>
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>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>>>>
>>>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot. No Brakes. Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>>>>
>>>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>>>>
>>>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
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