From tlawell at austin.rr.com  Thu Feb  3 10:45:56 2022
From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:45:56 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
Message-ID: <61FC14D4.4080804@austin.rr.com>

Does anyone have a comprehensive write-up or video of how to replace the 
rear wheel bearings on my all original 66 tiger?

Cheers, Terry

From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Thu Feb  3 16:41:15 2022
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 23:41:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] wheel bearing
References: <222210603.3126899.1643931675981.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <222210603.3126899.1643931675981@mail.yahoo.com>

The shop manual explains the process very well, yes it's very British, could have been engineered much better i.e. simple Ford sealed and pressed on units, but......pay attention to the shimming for end play.
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 07:43:33 2022
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 14:43:33 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
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I believe the rear end is a Dana 44, like used in older Jeeps. You might try a search based on that.

Steve
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To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings

Does anyone have a comprehensive write-up or video of how to replace the
rear wheel bearings on my all original 66 tiger?

Cheers, Terry
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Feb  4 09:31:20 2022
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:31:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
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References: <61FC14D4.4080804@austin.rr.com>
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You might find this article by Dan Walters helpful. 
http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersPuller/rt-WaltersHubPuller1.asp 
Pulling the hubs is necessary. Everyone has had different experiences 
but I found the hubs extremely difficult to remove. Likewise getting the 
axles out of the rear tubes. I had written about it in the "Tiger 101" 
article at Tigers United. Unfortunately when Steve had the arduous task 
of changing the whole site format the pages got corrupted. Even though 
the article's page advance doesn't work beyond page 2 I was able to 
/backdoor/ my way to the text portion of later pages (below):

/- I nearly knocked the car off jackstands trying to remove the axles 
and to make matters worst later the hubs wouldn't come off either. //I 
tried for days to get those hubs off. Finally I bolted the hub/axle to a 
steel rim, suspended it between two saw horses put a thick steel plate 
over the backed-off nut, applied heat and oil and it still took about 15 
overhead, full force whacks from a 10 pound sledge hammer before they 
finally came loose. I commented on the Tiger list that I would have 
chained the rearend to a tree stump and thrown it over a cliff to get 
those hubs off. But, knowing my good fortunes the stump would have 
ripped loose, I would have lost the rearend and the Save the Trees 
people would have had me fined for ruining a perfectly good tree stump!/

/
/

I don't say this to discourage you, but do be prepared because it MIGHT 
be difficult beyond the simplicity manuals often state.



On 2/4/2022 6:43 AM, steve wick via Tigers wrote:
> I believe the rear end is a Dana 44, like used in older Jeeps. You 
> might try a search based on that.
>
> Steve
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Terry 
> Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 9:45 AM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
> Does anyone have a comprehensive write-up or video of how to replace the
> rear wheel bearings on my all original 66 tiger?
>
> Cheers, Terry
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From tlawell at austin.rr.com  Fri Feb  4 10:46:04 2022
From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 11:46:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
In-Reply-To: <2cacd80c-6d99-001b-d479-a55cb7945c10@verizon.net>
References: <61FC14D4.4080804@austin.rr.com>
 <SA1PR06MB8356DFCAA74323CC8C4DE0AAD8299@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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I have read many of the documented encounters and will be prepared for 
the worst. However, it would be nice to get a good step by step 
procedure to follow. The manual I have, that came with the car, does not 
even mention hubs or wheel bearings, much less procedures to remove 
them. I will venture into the jeep community and see what I can find.

Cheers, Terry


On 2/4/22, 10:31 AM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote:
>
> You might find this article by Dan Walters helpful. 
> http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersPuller/rt-WaltersHubPuller1.asp 
> Pulling the hubs is necessary. Everyone has had different experiences 
> but I found the hubs extremely difficult to remove. Likewise getting 
> the axles out of the rear tubes. I had written about it in the "Tiger 
> 101" article at Tigers United. Unfortunately when Steve had the 
> arduous task of changing the whole site format the pages got 
> corrupted. Even though the article's page advance doesn't work beyond 
> page 2 I was able to /backdoor/ my way to the text portion of later 
> pages (below):
>
> /- I nearly knocked the car off jackstands trying to remove the axles 
> and to make matters worst later the hubs wouldn't come off either. //I 
> tried for days to get those hubs off. Finally I bolted the hub/axle to 
> a steel rim, suspended it between two saw horses put a thick steel 
> plate over the backed-off nut, applied heat and oil and it still took 
> about 15 overhead, full force whacks from a 10 pound sledge hammer 
> before they finally came loose. I commented on the Tiger list that I 
> would have chained the rearend to a tree stump and thrown it over a 
> cliff to get those hubs off. But, knowing my good fortunes the stump 
> would have ripped loose, I would have lost the rearend and the Save 
> the Trees people would have had me fined for ruining a perfectly good 
> tree stump!/
>
> /
> /
>
> I don't say this to discourage you, but do be prepared because it 
> MIGHT be difficult beyond the simplicity manuals often state.
>
>
>
> On 2/4/2022 6:43 AM, steve wick via Tigers wrote:
>> I believe the rear end is a Dana 44, like used in older Jeeps. You 
>> might try a search based on that.
>>
>> Steve
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Terry 
>> Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 9:45 AM
>> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
>> Does anyone have a comprehensive write-up or video of how to replace the
>> rear wheel bearings on my all original 66 tiger?
>>
>> Cheers, Terry
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb  4 11:16:27 2022
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:16:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
In-Reply-To: <2cacd80c-6d99-001b-d479-a55cb7945c10@verizon.net>
References: <61FC14D4.4080804@austin.rr.com>
 <SA1PR06MB8356DFCAA74323CC8C4DE0AAD8299@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <2cacd80c-6d99-001b-d479-a55cb7945c10@verizon.net>
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 My father said he loosened old Ford axle nuts (1930/1940s era, they had the same design) by loosening the nut a few turns (put the cotter pin back in), then drive the car making several turns, this would pop the hub loose. After a few turns, check to see if the hub is loose so you don't mess up the axle key slot, I never tried this.
David Franchi

    On Friday, February 4, 2022, 08:31:53 AM PST, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  
You might find this article by Dan Walters helpful. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersPuller/rt-WaltersHubPuller1.asp Pulling the hubs is necessary. Everyone has had different experiences but I found the hubs extremely difficult to remove.? Likewise getting the axles out of the rear tubes. I had written about it in the "Tiger 101" article at Tigers United. Unfortunately when Steve had the arduous task of changing the whole site format the pages got corrupted. Even though the article's page advance doesn't work beyond page 2 I was able to backdoor my way to the text portion of later pages (below):
 
 
- I nearly knocked the car off jackstands trying to remove the axles and to make matters worst later the hubs wouldn't come off either. I tried for days to get those hubs off. Finally I bolted the hub/axle to a steel rim, suspended it between two saw horses put a thick steel plate over the backed-off nut, applied heat and oil and it still took about 15 overhead, full force whacks from a 10 pound sledge hammer before they finally came loose. I commented on the Tiger list that I would have chained the rearend to a tree stump and thrown it over a cliff to get those hubs off. But, knowing my good fortunes the stump would have ripped loose, I would have lost the rearend and the Save the Trees people would have had me fined for ruining a perfectly good tree stump!
 

 
 
I don't say this to discourage you, but do be prepared because it MIGHT be difficult beyond the simplicity manuals often state. 
 
 
  
  On 2/4/2022 6:43 AM, steve wick via Tigers wrote:
  
 
 I believe the rear end is a Dana 44, like used in older Jeeps. You might try a search based on that.  
   Steve  From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
 Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 9:45 AM
 To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
 Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings ?   Does anyone have a comprehensive write-up or video of how to replace the 
 rear wheel bearings on my all original 66 tiger?
 
 Cheers, Terry
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From mark44124 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  4 12:43:09 2022
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 14:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
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Are you a TE/AE member? The factory workshop manual is on the site in PDF
format. You?ll need a hefty puller to get out the axels. I used a race shop
that did off-road trucks as my go-to source. It?s a Dana 44 with a slightly
different ring carrier  so not much rocket science.

Bugz
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From banana111 at msn.com  Fri Feb  4 13:00:37 2022
From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 20:00:37 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5344.1644003809.2811.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5344.1644003809.2811.tigers@autox.team.net>
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I think replacing wheel bearings on a tiger is a rite of passage for any Tiger owner to experience first hand.  At any Tiger event this subject could be talked and laughed about for hours. Everyone has a story.   Good luck to you!

 Brent

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From tlawell at austin.rr.com  Fri Feb  4 13:44:07 2022
From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 14:44:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
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References: <mailman.5344.1644003809.2811.tigers@autox.team.net>
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I think I am getting too old(80) to look for a rite of passage :-) , but 
a good challenge is acceptable.

Terry


On 2/4/22, 2:00 PM, Brent Edinger via Tigers wrote:
> I think replacing wheel bearings on a tiger is a rite of passage for 
> any Tiger owner to experience first hand.  At any Tiger event this 
> subject could be talked and laughed about for hours. Everyone has a 
> story.   Good luck to you!
>
>  Brent
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Feb  4 13:49:42 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 15:49:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Data
In-Reply-To: <015001d81a07$6f210d80$4d632880$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <483524532.501797.1644007785742@verizon.net>

Found these two Alpine and Tiger related parts data sheets in a Humber parts book I have.? I'm sad to say hardtop kits are no longer available,? but the shells are.? I'll take two.EnjoyJim DSent from my Galaxy
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Feb  4 14:00:58 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 16:00:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
In-Reply-To: <61FD9017.5060301@austin.rr.com>
References: <mailman.5344.1644003809.2811.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Don't forget, you can probably just take it to a rear-end shop and let them deal
with it...  And while you are at it, get them to put posi in, it really helps.
Gary


>     On 02/04/2022 3:44 PM Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I think I am getting too old(80) to look for a rite of passage :-)  , but a good challenge is acceptable.
> 
>     Terry
> 
> 
>     On 2/4/22, 2:00 PM, Brent Edinger via Tigers wrote:
> 
>         > >         I think replacing wheel bearings on a tiger is a rite of passage for any Tiger owner to experience first hand.  At any Tiger event this subject could be talked and laughed about for hours. Everyone has a story.   Good luck to you!
> > 
> >          Brent
> > 
> > 
> >         ---------------------------------------------
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Feb  4 17:41:03 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 16:41:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
In-Reply-To: <61FD9017.5060301@austin.rr.com>
References: <mailman.5344.1644003809.2811.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Another 80 year old Tiger owner. me too!

 

Larry

Since jan 1967

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via
Tigers
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 12:44 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings

 

I think I am getting too old(80) to look for a rite of passage :-)  , but a
good challenge is acceptable.

Terry



On 2/4/22, 2:00 PM, Brent Edinger via Tigers wrote:

I think replacing wheel bearings on a tiger is a rite of passage for any
Tiger owner to experience first hand.  At any Tiger event this subject could
be talked and laughed about for hours. Everyone has a story.   Good luck to
you!

 

 Brent

 

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From srwick at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 20:10:42 2022
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 03:10:42 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Data
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I have Hagerty insurance and did their value estimator to make sure my coverage was in the ballpark. They show a $5K premium for the factory hardtop.

Steve
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Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 12:49 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Data

Found these two Alpine and Tiger related parts data sheets in a Humber parts book I have.  I'm sad to say hardtop kits are no longer available,  but the shells are.  I'll take two.

Enjoy

Jim D



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From phastphill at aol.com  Sat Feb  5 09:17:45 2022
From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 16:17:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
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unless you have access to a pro shop ...like me..better to let them do it....save your energy for other things


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To: Terry Lawell <tlawell at austin.rr.com>; Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 4, 2022 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings

  Don't forget, you can probably just take it to a rear-end shop and let them deal 
   with it...? And while you are at it, get them to put posi in, it really helps. 
   Gary 
   
  
  On 02/04/2022 3:44 PM Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:   
   
 I think I am getting too old(80) to look for a rite of passage  :-)? , but a good challenge is acceptable. 
 
Terry 
 
 
  On 2/4/22, 2:00 PM, Brent Edinger via Tigers wrote: 
  
  I think replacing wheel bearings on a tiger is a rite of passage for any Tiger owner to experience first hand.? At any Tiger event this subject could be talked and laughed about for hours. Everyone has a story.?? Good luck to you! 
   
   ?Brent 
   
   
  
  
 
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From tlawell at austin.rr.com  Sat Feb  5 09:48:28 2022
From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 10:48:28 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
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I thank everyone for their inputs. I will start on it in a couple of 
weeks once things warm up here. I will try the traditional method to 
pull the hub and go from there. I am sure it will be fun.

Terry


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> unless you have access to a pro shop ...like me..better to let them do 
> it....save your energy for other things
>
>
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> To: Terry Lawell <tlawell at austin.rr.com>; Terry Lawell via Tigers 
> <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 4, 2022 4:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
>
> Don't forget, you can probably just take it to a rear-end shop and let 
> them deal
> with it...  And while you are at it, get them to put posi in, it 
> really helps.
> Gary
>
>> On 02/04/2022 3:44 PM Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think I am getting too old(80) to look for a rite of passage :-) , 
>> but a good challenge is acceptable.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> On 2/4/22, 2:00 PM, Brent Edinger via Tigers wrote:
>>> I think replacing wheel bearings on a tiger is a rite of passage for 
>>> any Tiger owner to experience first hand.  At any Tiger event this 
>>> subject could be talked and laughed about for hours. Everyone has a 
>>> story.   Good luck to you!
>>>
>>>  Brent
>>>
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From lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  5 13:00:50 2022
From: lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com (Derrick Schmidt)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:00:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
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Right of passage is a good description. Will take it to a shop next time ? if there is a next time.?
Derrick


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On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 11:31 AM, Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

 I thank everyone for their inputs. I will start on it in a couple of weeks once things warm up here. I will try the traditional method to pull the hub and go from there. I am sure it will be fun.
 
 Terry
 
 
 On 2/5/22, 10:17 AM, phastphill at aol.com wrote:
  
 unless you have access to a pro shop ...like me..better to let them do it....save your energy for other things
 
 
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 To: Terry Lawell <tlawell at austin.rr.com>; Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
 Sent: Fri, Feb 4, 2022 4:00 pm
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
 
    Don't forget, you can probably just take it to a rear-end shop and let them deal 
   with it...? And while you are at it, get them to put posi in, it really helps. 
   Gary 
   
  
   On 02/04/2022 3:44 PM Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:   
   
  I think I am getting too old(80) to look for a rite of passage  :-)? , but a good challenge is acceptable. 
 
 Terry 
 
 
  On 2/4/22, 2:00 PM, Brent Edinger via Tigers wrote: 
  
  I think replacing wheel bearings on a tiger is a rite of passage for any Tiger owner to experience first hand.? At any Tiger event this subject could be talked and laughed about for hours. Everyone has a story.?? Good luck to you! 
   
   ?Brent 
   
   
  
   
 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Feb  5 13:42:40 2022
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oops!



>     On 02/05/2022 3:00 PM Derrick Schmidt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     [Inline image]
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>     Right of passage is a good description. Will take it to a shop next time ? if there is a next time. 
> 
>     Derrick
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>     Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone https://yho.com/footer0
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> 
>     On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 11:31 AM, Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>         > >         I thank everyone for their inputs. I will start on it in a couple of weeks once things warm up here. I will try the traditional method to pull the hub and go from there. I am sure it will be fun.
> > 
> >         Terry
> > 
> > 
> >         On 2/5/22, 10:17 AM, phastphill at aol.com mailto:phastphill at aol.com wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             unless you have access to a pro shop ...like me..better to let them do it....save your energy for other things
> > > 
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> > >             From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net
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> > >             Sent: Fri, Feb 4, 2022 4:00 pm
> > >             Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings
> > > 
> > >             Don't forget, you can probably just take it to a rear-end shop and let them deal
> > >             with it...  And while you are at it, get them to put posi in, it really helps.
> > >             Gary
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 On 02/04/2022 3:44 PM Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> mailto:tigers at autox.team.net wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 I think I am getting too old(80) to look for a rite of passage :-)  , but a good challenge is acceptable.
> > > > 
> > > >                 Terry
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 On 2/4/22, 2:00 PM, Brent Edinger via Tigers wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > >                     I think replacing wheel bearings on a tiger is a rite of passage for any Tiger owner to experience first hand.  At any Tiger event this subject could be talked and laughed about for hours. Everyone has a story.   Good luck to you!
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> > > > >                      Brent
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Feb  5 14:32:16 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:32:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Riser
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In my search for a spacer to use the reproduction stock air cleaner with a Holley 4 bbl carb, I found this.? Ebay listing?284620549972.? It cost $6.95 with free shipping and is made of plastic.? It fits the hole in the air cleaner perfectly and raises it 3/8" above the adjustment screw.? Had to trim some thin plastic left from the moulding process.? This has solved my problem.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  6 13:47:46 2022
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 12:47:46 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings (Terry Lawell)
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Terry,

If you can get your hands on an Alpine rear hub, you can make a puller to easily pop those hubs.

Here?s the poop on it, copied and pasted from an e-mail message I sent to Dan Walters after building mine in November, 2019.

Up ?til then, I used to beg/borrow/rent a really honkin? heavy-duty puller that Dan had fabricated for his own use.  This time, since it was a discretionary project, I had time to think if there was any way to apply the principles of Dan?s puller without all the machine work he?d done. The ?solution? employed a used Alpine rear hub.

Here are the parts I used:
One used Alpine rear axle hub
Four used 2-1/2 to 3-inch wheel studs, or you could just use four pieces 7/16 x 20 threaded rod
Four used Alpine/Tiger lug nuts
Four new 1-1/4-inch 7/16 x 20 coupling nuts, purchased at Ace Hardware @ $4.69 each (OUCH!)
I took pictures:






Piece o? cake:
Jack up the car and remove the wheel.
Remove the brake drum.
Pull the cotter pin and back the axle/hub nut off ?till it?s flush with the end of the axle.
Screw the four coupling nuts half-way onto the four wheel studs:



Use the long wheel studs or threaded rods to mount the Alpine hub onto the four coupling nuts.  Screw them in until they bottom out on the Tiger wheel studs inside the coupling nuts.



Snug up the four lug nuts to bring the Alpine hub up against and perpendicular to the end of the axle, and evenly apply torque to the lug nuts?rotating, one at a time-- ?til the Tiger hub hub pops off the axle. 
What you are doing here is trying to squeeze the two hubs together.  But they can?t come together because the end of the axle is in the way.  For them to come together, the Tiger hub that?s stuck on the axle has to come off the axle.
Miller time!

If you go for it, don?t forget you are putting the small-hole end of the Alpine hub toward the small-hole end of the Tiger hub, and the axle.

Don?t forget to pop the cotter pin and loosen the axle nut.

And remember the jack stands when you lift the car.

Good luck with it.

Ramon






On Feb 5, 2022, at 10:48 AM, Terry Lawell <tlawell at austin.rr.com> wrote:

I thank everyone for their inputs. I will start on it in a couple of 
weeks once things warm up here. I will try the traditional method to 
pull the hub and go from there. I am sure it will be fun.

Terry


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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 08:13:21 2022
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing rear axle bearings (Terry Lawell)
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Nice! Years ago I tried a "hub puller" and had it so tight my biggest
wrench wouldn't go any more. No movement, so I went to dinner. The "bang"
that brought me back was the hub hitting the garage wall @ 3 ft away when
the "pull" exceeded the "stick."


Tom, '67 Mark 2

On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 3:48 PM Ramon Spontelli via Tigers <
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> Terry,
>
> If you can get your hands on an Alpine rear hub, you can make a puller to
> easily pop those hubs.
>
> Here?s the poop on it, copied and pasted from an e-mail message I sent to
> Dan Walters after building mine in November, 2019.
>
> Up ?til then, I used to beg/borrow/rent a really honkin? heavy-duty puller
> that Dan had fabricated for his own use.  This time, since it was a
> discretionary project, I had time to think if there was any way to apply
> the principles of Dan?s puller without all the machine work he?d done. The
> ?solution? employed a used Alpine rear hub.
>
> Here are the parts I used:
>
>    -
>
>    One used Alpine rear axle hub
>    -
>
>    Four used 2-1/2 to 3-inch wheel studs, or you could just use four
>    pieces 7/16 x 20 threaded rod
>    -
>
>    Four used Alpine/Tiger lug nuts
>    -
>
>    Four new 1-1/4-inch 7/16 x 20 coupling nuts, purchased at Ace Hardware
>    @ $4.69 each (OUCH!)
>
> I took pictures:
>
>
>
>
> Piece o? cake:
>
>    1.
>
>    Jack up the car and remove the wheel.
>    2.
>
>    Remove the brake drum.
>    3.
>
>    Pull the cotter pin and back the axle/hub nut off ?till it?s flush
>    with the end of the axle.
>    4.
>
>    Screw the four coupling nuts half-way onto the four wheel studs:
>
>
>    5.
>
>    Use the long wheel studs or threaded rods to mount the Alpine hub onto
>    the four coupling nuts.  Screw them in until they bottom out on the Tiger
>    wheel studs inside the coupling nuts.
>
>
>    6.
>
>    Snug up the four lug nuts to bring the Alpine hub up against and
>    perpendicular to the end of the axle, and evenly apply torque to the lug
>    nuts?rotating, one at a time-- ?til the Tiger hub hub pops off the axle.
>
>    What you are doing here is trying to squeeze the two hubs together.
>    But they can?t come together because the end of the axle is in the way.
>    For them to come together, the Tiger hub that?s stuck on the axle has to
>    come off the axle.
>    7.
>
>    Miller time!
>
>
> If you go for it, don?t forget you are putting the small-hole end of the
> Alpine hub toward the small-hole end of the Tiger hub, and the axle.
>
> Don?t forget to pop the cotter pin and loosen the axle nut.
>
> And remember the jack stands when you lift the car.
>
> Good luck with it.
>
> Ramon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2022, at 10:48 AM, Terry Lawell <tlawell at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I thank everyone for their inputs. I will start on it in a couple of
> weeks once things warm up here. I will try the traditional method to
> pull the hub and go from there. I am sure it will be fun.
>
> Terry
>
>
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From rollright at aol.com  Thu Feb 10 08:59:03 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:59:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] spare tire question
References: <1849026146.199648.1644508743736.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1849026146.199648.1644508743736@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?In the effort to finish off my trunk, I had an original rim fixed, blasted and correctly painted; black all over and? the cream on the outside. Fortunately I had the original spare to guide the paint shop for color and all.?But...in trying to buy a spare tire, I find Vredestine no longer makes most 13" sizes like the 185-70-13 I put on my car. They do have a 175-80-13 available.?Question is:? on an original Sunbeam steel rim, will this size tire fit on the trunk floor without interfering with the? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? tool fixing clips and jack? In general, will it work ?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Feb 10 09:59:14 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:59:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  spare tire question
References: <1849026146.199648.1644508743736.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1849026146.199648.1644508743736@mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <000001d81e9f$89416fb0$9bc44f10$@bluefrog.com>

Darn ? forgot to send to the list.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 11:45 AM
To: 'James Armstrong' <rollright at aol.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] spare tire question

 

Jim

                The real question should be ? does the 185-70-13 tire allow the trunk platform to close properly?

I believe it should but I don?t know for sure.

 

- The Blockley Tyre Company Technical Articles <https://www.blockleytyre.com/technical/tyre-size-equivalents> 

 

This company indicates these tires sizes as equivalent to the original tire.

590x13                  185/70R13           165/80R13

 

I believe some recommend a thinner tire for the trunk so the platform closes properly and does not rub on the tire.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:59 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] spare tire question

 

Hello,

 

In the effort to finish off my trunk, I had an original rim fixed, blasted and correctly painted; black all over and  the cream on the outside. Fortunately I had the original spare to guide the paint shop for color and all.

 

But...in trying to buy a spare tire, I find Vredestine no longer makes most 13" sizes like the 185-70-13 I put on my car. They do have a 175-80-13 available.

 

Question is:  on an original Sunbeam steel rim, will this size tire fit on the trunk floor without interfering with the

                      tool fixing clips and jack? In general, will it work ?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 11 14:15:11 2022
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:15:11 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] spare tire question
In-Reply-To: <000001d81e9f$89416fb0$9bc44f10$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1849026146.199648.1644508743736.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1849026146.199648.1644508743736@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000001d81e9f$89416fb0$9bc44f10$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <503B2295-B476-4802-8E2F-B4B1B933A3FF@yahoo.com>

Jim,
I used a 175/70 r13 made by Zenna. The main reason I used this size is because it is is the same diameter as my 205/50 15 rear tires. In case I need to put it on the rear it won?t mess with the posi traction rear diff. Think I got it from Simple Tire. Like Ron said, the biggest issue is how fat it is so the false floor sits right. This one just touches the false floor. However, it isn?t a ?correct? tire for concours.

Jim






> On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Darn ? forgot to send to the list.
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 11:45 AM
> To: 'James Armstrong' <rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com>>
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] spare tire question
>  
> Jim
>                 The real question should be ? does the 185-70-13 tire allow the trunk platform to close properly?
> I believe it should but I don?t know for sure.
>  
> - The Blockley Tyre Company Technical Articles <https://www.blockleytyre.com/technical/tyre-size-equivalents>
>  
> This company indicates these tires sizes as equivalent to the original tire.
> 590x13                  185/70R13           165/80R13
>  
> I believe some recommend a thinner tire for the trunk so the platform closes properly and does not rub on the tire.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:59 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] spare tire question
>  
> Hello,
>  
> In the effort to finish off my trunk, I had an original rim fixed, blasted and correctly painted; black all over and  the cream on the outside. Fortunately I had the original spare to guide the paint shop for color and all.
>  
> But...in trying to buy a spare tire, I find Vredestine no longer makes most 13" sizes like the 185-70-13 I put on my car. They do have a 175-80-13 available.
>  
> Question is:  on an original Sunbeam steel rim, will this size tire fit on the trunk floor without interfering with the
>                       tool fixing clips and jack? In general, will it work ?
>  
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
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> 
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 17:28:39 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 00:28:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
References: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>

1966 Tiger MK 1A
I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 17:38:32 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:38:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
In-Reply-To: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EFD1417D-C139-481D-967E-73A19357A457@gmail.com>

There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.



> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
> 
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
> 
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
> 
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
> 
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
> 
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Mon Feb 14 18:36:57 2022
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:36:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
In-Reply-To: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hYv7C0G61H=9w3ZFn4JHtyMmmLx0mu34RJ3RbiD7bbm5A@mail.gmail.com>

Joel,
Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2
in the attached from the workshop manual.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No
> Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
>
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Feb 14 19:00:44 2022
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 18:00:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0hYv7C0G61H=9w3ZFn4JHtyMmmLx0mu34RJ3RbiD7bbm5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMRx0hYv7C0G61H=9w3ZFn4JHtyMmmLx0mu34RJ3RbiD7bbm5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70768370-f6ec-7c7b-e3fa-eb0941800dbb@verizon.net>

I would only add the the placement of the clip is for illustration. In 
practice it goes on the outward side of the retainer (red arrow) and 
fits in a groove in the rear of the housing (blue arrow) after all the 
parts are inserted.

On 2/14/2022 5:36 PM, Will Seay via Tigers wrote:
> Joel,
> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.? 
> See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers 
> <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
>     I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking
>     lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out
>     of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
>     The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot
>     pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the
>     plunger out.
>
>     It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the
>     plunger into the master cylinder.
>
>     Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
>     Thanks
>     _______________________________________________
>
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 19:57:31 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 02:57:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0hYv7C0G61H=9w3ZFn4JHtyMmmLx0mu34RJ3RbiD7bbm5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMRx0hYv7C0G61H=9w3ZFn4JHtyMmmLx0mu34RJ3RbiD7bbm5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <339677455.816438.1644893851978@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thank you all.? I will check the circle, circlip, tomorrow.
Joel

    On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:37:38 PM EST, Will Seay <tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Joel,Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.? See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

1966 Tiger MK 1A
I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
Thanks
_______________________________________________

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Feb 14 20:06:35 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:06:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
Message-ID: <1358940874.698545.1644894395799@connect.xfinity.com>

I think Tom has nailed it...
The shop manual is VERY BAD in this case.  This is a seriaous problem!

Joel, whoever has been working on your brakes should be notified they
are doing it wrong.
Gary


>     On 02/14/2022 9:00 PM Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     I would only add the the placement of the clip is for illustration. In practice it goes on the outward side of the retainer (red arrow) and fits in a groove in the rear of the housing (blue arrow) after all the parts are inserted.
> 
>     On 2/14/2022 5:36 PM, Will Seay via Tigers wrote:
> 
>         > >         Joel,
> >         Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
> > 
> >         Will - 382001570
> >         Tigers at embarqmail.com mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com
> > 
> > 
> >         On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             1966 Tiger MK 1A
> > > 
> > >             I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
> > > 
> > >             The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
> > > 
> > >             It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
> > > 
> > >             Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
> > > 
> > >             Thanks
> > >             _______________________________________________
> > > 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Feb 14 20:09:34 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:09:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
In-Reply-To: <339677455.816438.1644893851978@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMRx0hYv7C0G61H=9w3ZFn4JHtyMmmLx0mu34RJ3RbiD7bbm5A@mail.gmail.com>
 <339677455.816438.1644893851978@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <136346418.698631.1644894574094@connect.xfinity.com>

Actually, the Tiger should be recalled!!  Yeah, not going to happen.

A good safety solution would be to add a mechanical stop light switch.
This would prevent this if the circlip is missing or breaks. 
Gary



>     On 02/14/2022 9:57 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Thank you all.  I will check the circle, circlip, tomorrow.
> 
>     Joel
> 
>     On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:37:38 PM EST, Will Seay <tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Joel,
>     Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
> 
>     Will - 382001570
>     Tigers at embarqmail.com mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com
> 
> 
>     On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> 
>         > >         1966 Tiger MK 1A
> > 
> >         I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
> > 
> >         The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
> > 
> >         It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
> > 
> >         Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
> > 
> >         Thanks
> >         _______________________________________________
> > 
> >         tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net
> > 
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 20:15:36 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 19:15:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
In-Reply-To: <339677455.816438.1644893851978@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMRx0hYv7C0G61H=9w3ZFn4JHtyMmmLx0mu34RJ3RbiD7bbm5A@mail.gmail.com>
 <339677455.816438.1644893851978@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1420038B-514A-49BE-BDB6-2B61E02E4E0A@gmail.com>

Using the same picture here is the disk I was talking about.  If the rubber is not completely trashed, I do not think the plunger would have pulled past the rubber.  That suggests the hole in the disk or the knob at the end of the plunger were some how compromised, not the circlip.  Now granted, I think it is more likely that the circlip was put in poorly.  But in that situation, the plunger would still pull the disk, which would have pulled the rubber boot off the MC.





> On Feb 14, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Thank you all.  I will check the circle, circlip, tomorrow.
> 
> Joel
> 
> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:37:38 PM EST, Will Seay <tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Joel,
> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
> 
> Will - 382001570 
> Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com>
> 
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
> 
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
> 
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
> 
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
> 
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
> 
> Thanks
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From paul.tonizzo at sap.com  Tue Feb 15 06:21:21 2022
From: paul.tonizzo at sap.com (Tonizzo, Paul)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:21:21 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch
Message-ID: <DU2PR02MB7773A037FAF7B0463461C05982349@DU2PR02MB7773.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Gary,

Do you have a recommendation for a switch to use?

Thanks,

Paul
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:09:34 -0500 (EST)
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>, Joel Martin via Tigers
	<tigers at autox.team.net>, Will Seay <tigers at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
Message-ID: <136346418.698631.1644894574094 at connect.xfinity.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Actually, the Tiger should be recalled!!  Yeah, not going to happen.

A good safety solution would be to add a mechanical stop light switch.
This would prevent this if the circlip is missing or breaks. 
Gary

From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Tue Feb 15 07:24:50 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:24:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch
In-Reply-To: <DU2PR02MB7773A037FAF7B0463461C05982349@DU2PR02MB7773.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <194342363.303108.1644935096763@verizon.net>

I'm selling these on eBay. They should work, just need to fab a bracket. I have not installed one in my Tiger yet.? Ebay #144383815291.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: "Tonizzo, Paul via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 2/15/22  8:35 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch Hi Gary,Do you have a recommendation for a switch to use?Thanks,Paul----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:09:34 -0500 (EST)From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>, Joel Martin via Tigers	<tigers at autox.team.net>, Will Seay <tigers at embarqmail.com>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake PedalMessage-ID: <136346418.698631.1644894574094 at connect.xfinity.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Actually, the Tiger should be recalled!!? Yeah, not going to happen.A good safety solution would be to add a mechanical stop light switch.This would prevent this if the circlip is missing or breaks. Gary_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio at verizon.net
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 07:58:47 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:58:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch
In-Reply-To: <194342363.303108.1644935096763@verizon.net>
References: <DU2PR02MB7773A037FAF7B0463461C05982349@DU2PR02MB7773.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <194342363.303108.1644935096763@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <643059909.708087.1644937127265@connect.xfinity.com>

That looks like it would work.

I am using one like:
EBAY # 173983077677

Again, you need to make a mount bracket.  I used a piece of aluminum extrusion bent to
more than a right angle, held with sheet metal screws up into the channel above the pedal.
Gary


>     On 02/15/2022 9:24 AM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I'm selling these on eBay. They should work, just need to fab a bracket. I have not installed one in my Tiger yet.  Ebay #144383815291.
> 
>     Jim D
> 
> 
> 
>     Sent from my Galaxy
> 
> 
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: "Tonizzo, Paul via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Date: 2/15/22 8:35 AM (GMT-05:00)
>     To: tigers at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch
> 
>     Hi Gary,
> 
>     Do you have a recommendation for a switch to use?
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     Paul
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>     Message: 1
>     Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:09:34 -0500 (EST)
>     From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
>     To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>, Joel Martin via Tigers
>     <tigers at autox.team.net>, Will Seay <tigers at embarqmail.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
>     Message-ID: <136346418.698631.1644894574094 at connect.xfinity.com>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>     Actually, the Tiger should be recalled!!  Yeah, not going to happen.
> 
>     A good safety solution would be to add a mechanical stop light switch.
>     This would prevent this if the circlip is missing or breaks.
>     Gary
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> 
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From modtiger at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 09:55:19 2022
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:55:19 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch
In-Reply-To: <DU2PR02MB7773A037FAF7B0463461C05982349@DU2PR02MB7773.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DU2PR02MB7773A037FAF7B0463461C05982349@DU2PR02MB7773.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1c254ea6-edde-78af-95d2-6e1749e5372b@comcast.net>

On 2/15/2022 5:21 AM, Tonizzo, Paul via Tigers wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> Do you have a recommendation for a switch to use?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
I sell most of these to customers that buy my "Six? to One Brake Pedal 
Modification", but they work just as well in the Girling OEM configuration.

-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
5712 San Luis Court
Pleasanton, CA 94566
(925)462-3876
modtiger at comcast.net
http://tigerengineering.net/
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Feb 15 13:32:12 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 15:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
In-Reply-To: <1420038B-514A-49BE-BDB6-2B61E02E4E0A@gmail.com>
References: <1484050160.970259.1644884919253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484050160.970259.1644884919253@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMRx0hYv7C0G61H=9w3ZFn4JHtyMmmLx0mu34RJ3RbiD7bbm5A@mail.gmail.com>
 <339677455.816438.1644893851978@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <001601d822ab$1def3e80$59cdbb80$@bluefrog.com>

Joel

                I could not find a Lucas diagram of the master brake
cylinder, I did find one for the clutch master which is similar.

It does show the circlip after the washer.

 

I see there are some YouTube videos of rebuilds but don't know how
informative they are.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jay via Tigers
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 10:16 PM
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Pedal

 

Using the same picture here is the disk I was talking about.  If the rubber
is not completely trashed, I do not think the plunger would have pulled past
the rubber.  That suggests the hole in the disk or the knob at the end of
the plunger were some how compromised, not the circlip.  Now granted, I
think it is more likely that the circlip was put in poorly.  But in that
situation, the plunger would still pull the disk, which would have pulled
the rubber boot off the MC.

 



 

 





On Feb 14, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net
<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

Thank you all.  I will check the circle, circlip, tomorrow.

 

Joel

 

On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:37:38 PM EST, Will Seay
<tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:tigers at embarqmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Joel,

Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2
in the attached from the workshop manual.

 

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers
<tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

1966 Tiger MK 1A

 

I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No
Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve
going into the master cylinder.

 

The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

 

It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the
master cylinder.

 

Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

 

Thanks

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Feb 15 14:04:09 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:04:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch
In-Reply-To: <DU2PR02MB7773A037FAF7B0463461C05982349@DU2PR02MB7773.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DU2PR02MB7773A037FAF7B0463461C05982349@DU2PR02MB7773.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <002201d822af$9452b8a0$bcf829e0$@bluefrog.com>

Paul

                There have been several iterations of putting a switch on
the brake pedal.

You need a switch with a soft spring or the switch will push on the brake
pedal putting the brakes on some.

You may need a flat surface for the switch, I epoxied a plastic disc to my
pedal.

 

I consider an electrical brake switch a safety matter plus I needed one for
the cruise control I added.

 

Here are several ways.

 

  

 From Theo Smit - 5A micro switch w/ roller arm - note extra return spring
on brake pedal.

 



  From Larry Paulick

 

 

  

>From Stu Brennan - muffler clamp and aluminum bracket - binder clip on pedal
to provide a flat surface for the switch.

 

  From Will Seay

 

Ron Fraser

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tonizzo, Paul via
Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:21 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch

 

Hi Gary,

 

Do you have a recommendation for a switch to use?

 

Thanks,

 

Paul

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Message: 1

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:09:34 -0500 (EST)

From: GARY WINBLAD < <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>
garywinblad at comcast.net>

To: Joel Martin < <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com> jmartiniii at yahoo.com>, Joel
Martin via Tigers

                < <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> tigers at autox.team.net>,
Will Seay < <mailto:tigers at embarqmail.com> tigers at embarqmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Pedal

Message-ID: < <mailto:136346418.698631.1644894574094 at connect.xfinity.com>
136346418.698631.1644894574094 at connect.xfinity.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 

Actually, the Tiger should be recalled!!  Yeah, not going to happen.

 

A good safety solution would be to add a mechanical stop light switch.

This would prevent this if the circlip is missing or breaks. 

Gary

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Feb 15 14:33:12 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:33:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch
In-Reply-To: <002201d822af$9452b8a0$bcf829e0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <DU2PR02MB7773A037FAF7B0463461C05982349@DU2PR02MB7773.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <002201d822af$9452b8a0$bcf829e0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <1210336593.731655.1644960792397@connect.xfinity.com>

And here is one of mine.
This uses a $1 electronic surplus store micro switch.  It does require a supplemental
spring to keep the switch off (I don't have the stock spring).

BUT note the bolt in the unused Sunbeam bracket.
This is my Tiger with the Courier tandem master.  The pushrod does not have a
big button at the end like the stock Tiger master.  If the pedal could be pulled back like
happened to Joel, it would fall right out of the master!!

The bolt (as well as the switch) positively prevents this.
Gary


>     On 02/15/2022 4:04 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Paul
> 
>                     There have been several iterations of putting a switch on the brake pedal.
> 
>     You need a switch with a soft spring or the switch will push on the brake pedal putting the brakes on some.
> 
>     You may need a flat surface for the switch, I epoxied a plastic disc to my pedal.
> 
> 
>     I consider an electrical brake switch a safety matter plus I needed one for the cruise control I added.
> 
> 
>     Here are several ways.
> 
> 
>     [TigerBrakeSwitch 001] 
> 
>      From Theo Smit ? 5A micro switch w/ roller arm ? note extra return spring on brake pedal.
> 
> 
>       From Larry Paulick
> 
> 
> 
>      
> 
>     From Stu Brennan ? muffler clamp and aluminum bracket - binder clip on pedal to provide a flat surface for the switch.
> 
> 
>       From Will Seay
> 
> 
>     Ron Fraser
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tonizzo, Paul via Tigers
>     Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:21 AM
>     To: tigers at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] mechanical brake stop switch
> 
> 
>     Hi Gary,
> 
> 
>     Do you have a recommendation for a switch to use?
> 
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
> 
>     Paul
> 
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>     Message: 1
> 
>     Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:09:34 -0500 (EST)
> 
>     From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net >
> 
>     To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com >, Joel Martin via Tigers
> 
>                     <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net >, Will Seay <tigers at embarqmail.com mailto:tigers at embarqmail.com >
> 
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
> 
>     Message-ID: <136346418.698631.1644894574094 at connect.xfinity.com mailto:136346418.698631.1644894574094 at connect.xfinity.com >
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>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 
>     Actually, the Tiger should be recalled!!  Yeah, not going to happen.
> 
> 
>     A good safety solution would be to add a mechanical stop light switch.
> 
>     This would prevent this if the circlip is missing or breaks.
> 
>     Gary
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 14:35:55 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:35:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pedal
In-Reply-To: <001601d822ab$1def3e80$59cdbb80$@bluefrog.com>
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 Unfortunately I cannot get into the car until Saturday.? Will let you know what I find.
ThanksJoel

    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 03:32:29 PM EST, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:  
 
 
Joel

??????????????? I could not find a Lucas diagram of the master brake cylinder, I did find one for the clutch master which is similar.

It does show the circlip after the washer.

 ?

I see there are some YouTube videos of rebuilds but don?t know how informative they are.

 ?

Ron Fraser

 ?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jay via Tigers
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 10:16 PM
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Pedal

 ?

Using the same picture here is the disk I was talking about. ?If the rubber is not completely trashed, I do not think the plunger would have pulled past the rubber. ?That suggests the hole in the disk or the knob at the end of the plunger were some how compromised, not the circlip. ?Now granted, I think it is more likely that the circlip was put in poorly. ?But in that situation, the plunger would still pull the disk, which would have pulled the rubber boot off the MC.

 ?



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On Feb 14, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

 ?

Thank you all.? I will check the circle, circlip, tomorrow.

 ?

Joel

 ?

On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:37:38 PM EST, Will Seay <tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote: 

 ?

 ?

Joel,

Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.? See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.

 ?

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com

 ?

 ?

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


1966 Tiger MK 1A

 ?

I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

 ?

The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

 ?

It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

 ?

Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

 ?

Thanks

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From blance598 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 15:46:43 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake sw
Message-ID: <CACQC2nWyo2duERb1m0xjg1r=vC5izFnQ7z2pJULAmVG7HWa6Fg@mail.gmail.com>

I used Stu B set up works great easily  adjustable. Beau
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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 16:13:17 2022
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake sw
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*Here's my setupStu*
[image: 20170812_121739.jpg]
A muffler U-bolt clamp, a scrap of aluminum, and a replacement brake switch
from some old Jeep, a binder clip, and no more problems

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:47 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
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From larryall at pacbell.net  Tue Feb 15 17:43:44 2022
From: larryall at pacbell.net (larryall)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:43:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 94
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I took a large washer and cut a pie shape out of it and welded the remaining washer to about 15 inch L bar steel. I used this "tool" to push back on spring enough to allow the release of the clip. Worked like a charmSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 17 11:01:14 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 18:01:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
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    On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
  

  Hello all.
I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?? Rubber boot was split.? There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.

  Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
My question:? How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?



    On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
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Thanks
There are so many oddities here. ?First, at one end, the plunger should ?have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. ?That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. ?So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed. ?But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.



On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
1966 Tiger MK 1A
I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
Thanks
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Joel,Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.? See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

1966 Tiger MK 1A
I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
Thanks
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Feb 17 11:35:12 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:35:12 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
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That totally matches what I would expect to see.  That round disc should have been on the inside of the clip.  So either it was not assembled that way, which is odd.  Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the MC and the clip.

> On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
> 
> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
> 
> My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?
> 
> <My_Brake_plunger.jpg>
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
> 
> 
> Thanks
> There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>> 
>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>> 
>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>> 
>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>> 
>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>> 
>> Thanks
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> Joel,
> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
> 
> Will - 382001570 
> Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com>
> 
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
> 
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
> 
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
> 
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
> 
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
> 
> Thanks
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Feb 17 11:47:06 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:47:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
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It seems to me that assembly is pretty straight forward. The pieces are all there. The internal piston part is ok. Then the pedal?s attached plunger with the washer in place is pushed into the cylinder, including the washer. Yes the washer has to go inside the cylinder.  It has to fit the bore of the cylinder. When that is in past the circlip groove the circlip is installed and that keeps the whole mess in place. The  external boot is snapped into place over the end of the master cylinder to keep the leaky stuff inside.  And the dirt stuff outside.  Tain?t rocket science here, folk.  It was incorrectly assembled before. If that one? Then check the clutch master as well  because it may have been done the same way. 

 

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World?s Fastest Sunbeam. Period.

(But, not necessarily the quickest) 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jay
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 10:35 AM
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89

 

That totally matches what I would expect to see.  That round disc should have been on the inside of the clip.  So either it was not assembled that way, which is odd.  Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the MC and the clip.





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On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

 

Hello all.

 

I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.

 

Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.

 

My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?

 

<My_Brake_plunger.jpg>

 

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1966 Tiger MK 1A

 

 

Thanks

There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.

 

 





On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

1966 Tiger MK 1A

 

I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

 

The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

 

It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

 

Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

 

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Joel,

Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.

 

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

1966 Tiger MK 1A

 

I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

 

The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

 

It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

 

Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Feb 17 13:10:40 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 15:10:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
In-Reply-To: <219480616.1594962.1645120875969@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.6582.1644889062.2811.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <1576162467.1382258.1645041606387@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1242969964.1166415.1645046517783@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1419376876.1504238.1645094208522@mail.yahoo.com>
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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube <https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX> &&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX

 

 

Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.

The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore holding everything in.

The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it which rarely happens.

 

Ron Fraser 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 1:01 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89

 

 

 

On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

 

Hello all.

 

I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.

 

Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.

 

My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?

 

 

 

 

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1966 Tiger MK 1A

 

 

Thanks

There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.

 

 





On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

1966 Tiger MK 1A

 

I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

 

The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

 

It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

 

Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

 

Thanks

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Joel,

Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.

 

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

1966 Tiger MK 1A

 

I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

 

The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

 

It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

 

Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

 

Thanks

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Feb 17 14:23:14 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:23:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
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Yup, it was assembled WRONG.
Yes, it appears to be assembled according to the photo that was posted from the
shop manual... which is wrong.

The circlip must retain the washer that is captive on the pushrod.  Pushrod should NOT
fall out loose from the master cylinder assembly.

Hopefully you did not sustain any injury or damage to your Tiger.
Gary



>     On 02/17/2022 1:35 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     That totally matches what I would expect to see.  That round disc should have been on the inside of the clip.  So either it was not assembled that way, which is odd.  Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the MC and the clip.
> 
> 
>         > >         On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Hello all.
> > 
> >         I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
> > 
> >         Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
> > 
> >         My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?
> > 
> >         <My_Brake_plunger.jpg>
> > 
> > 
> >         On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net mailto:tigers-request at autox.team.net > wrote:
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> >           2. Re: Brake Pedal (Jay)
> >           3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay)
> >         1966 Tiger MK 1A
> > 
> > 
> >         Thanks
> >         There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >             > > >             On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >             1966 Tiger MK 1A
> > > 
> > >             I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
> > > 
> > >             The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
> > > 
> > >             It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
> > > 
> > >             Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
> > > 
> > >             Thanks
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> > > 
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >         Joel,
> >         Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
> > 
> >         Will - 382001570
> >         Tigers at embarqmail.com mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com
> > 
> > 
> >         On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             1966 Tiger MK 1A
> > > 
> > >             I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
> > > 
> > >             The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
> > > 
> > >             It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
> > > 
> > >             Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
> > > 
> > >             Thanks
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Thu Feb 17 16:30:47 2022
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 23:30:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
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I know the conversation about rear axle hub pullers was pretty well exhausted a couple weeks ago, I have recently moved and finally got this unpacked so I thought I would forward along a pix of the puller I made and it works perfectly, it has probably taken off a half dozen or so, the key is a strong plate with NO FLEX and the large jack screw, set this up put a really good strain on the jack screw and then smack it with a good hammer and BANG it pops off.
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 08:44:45 2022
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 15:44:45 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
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That looks really similar to the one I built for myself, which is also still packed from a move.

Steve
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 3:30 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

I know the conversation about rear axle hub pullers was pretty well exhausted a couple weeks ago, I have recently moved and finally got this unpacked so I thought I would forward along a pix of the puller I made and it works perfectly, it has probably taken off a half dozen or so, the key is a strong plate with NO FLEX and the large jack screw, set this up put a really good strain on the jack screw and then smack it with a good hammer and BANG it pops off.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Feb 18 12:51:12 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
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Clyde

                As I see it, conversations like this one are never closed.   New information and ideas are always welcome.

 

I would ask for some dimensions of your puller tool.

 

Steel plate looks like it is ?? thick?

Size of the jack screw?

 

The tools shown in the Shop Manual look beefy so any tool someone makes needs to also be beefy.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of clyde mclaughlin via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 6:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

I know the conversation about rear axle hub pullers was pretty well exhausted a couple weeks ago, I have recently moved and finally got this unpacked so I thought I would forward along a pix of the puller I made and it works perfectly, it has probably taken off a half dozen or so, the key is a strong plate with NO FLEX and the large jack screw, set this up put a really good strain on the jack screw and then smack it with a good hammer and BANG it pops off.

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Feb 18 17:21:59 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:21:59 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
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So far all of the home made pullers I have seen, mine included, are lacking one essential component: the handle that is needed to counter the gorilla strength needed to tighten the center bolt to pop off the hub. Especially those with a central hub puller set up like a commercial puller.  Mine uses 4 grade 8, 7/16 UNC bolts to provide the grunt and so I never have to pull more than 45 ft- pounds on the torque wrench handle to get a hub to pop off.  But it would be nice to have a handle that could be braced against the floor during the torquing.  The goodness is that he hubs very seldom need to actually be removed.   Kudos to all who have fab?d their pullers!  Nice tool to have on the shelf.

 

Drmayf

Aka Larry

Pahrump

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 11:51 AM
To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

Clyde

                As I see it, conversations like this one are never closed.   New information and ideas are always welcome.

 

I would ask for some dimensions of your puller tool.

 

Steel plate looks like it is ?? thick?

Size of the jack screw?

 

The tools shown in the Shop Manual look beefy so any tool someone makes needs to also be beefy.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of clyde mclaughlin via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 6:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

I know the conversation about rear axle hub pullers was pretty well exhausted a couple weeks ago, I have recently moved and finally got this unpacked so I thought I would forward along a pix of the puller I made and it works perfectly, it has probably taken off a half dozen or so, the key is a strong plate with NO FLEX and the large jack screw, set this up put a really good strain on the jack screw and then smack it with a good hammer and BANG it pops off.

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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 17:28:04 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 18:28:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
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Are Alpine hubs the same construction?  I recently had trouble getting the hubs off my Alpine.  No amount of tightening the center bolt would do it.  I tried heat. But not enough heat.  Then Dan Walters came by with his hub puller.  He had both of in less than 15 minutes, with less than 50 ft lbs.  Instead of tightening the center bolt, once that was set, he tightened each of the four outside rods, a little at a time. He said by using the outside bolts, there is more leverage, needing less torque.


> On Feb 18, 2022, at 6:21 PM, Larry Mayfield via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> So far all of the home made pullers I have seen, mine included, are lacking one essential component: the handle that is needed to counter the gorilla strength needed to tighten the center bolt to pop off the hub. Especially those with a central hub puller set up like a commercial puller.  Mine uses 4 grade 8, 7/16 UNC bolts to provide the grunt and so I never have to pull more than 45 ft- pounds on the torque wrench handle to get a hub to pop off.  But it would be nice to have a handle that could be braced against the floor during the torquing.  The goodness is that he hubs very seldom need to actually be removed.   Kudos to all who have fab?d their pullers!  Nice tool to have on the shelf.
>  
> Drmayf
> Aka Larry
> Pahrump
>  
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 11:51 AM
> To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
>  
> Clyde
>                 As I see it, conversations like this one are never closed.   New information and ideas are always welcome.
>  
> I would ask for some dimensions of your puller tool.
>  
> Steel plate looks like it is ?? thick?
> Size of the jack screw?
>  
> The tools shown in the Shop Manual look beefy so any tool someone makes needs to also be beefy.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of clyde mclaughlin via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 6:31 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
>  
> I know the conversation about rear axle hub pullers was pretty well exhausted a couple weeks ago, I have recently moved and finally got this unpacked so I thought I would forward along a pix of the puller I made and it works perfectly, it has probably taken off a half dozen or so, the key is a strong plate with NO FLEX and the large jack screw, set this up put a really good strain on the jack screw and then smack it with a good hammer and BANG it pops off.
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 17:29:31 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 18:29:31 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
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Here is a picture of Dan?s puller.  The tubes between the plates are removed when it is used on the hub.



> On Feb 18, 2022, at 6:21 PM, Larry Mayfield via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> So far all of the home made pullers I have seen, mine included, are lacking one essential component: the handle that is needed to counter the gorilla strength needed to tighten the center bolt to pop off the hub. Especially those with a central hub puller set up like a commercial puller.  Mine uses 4 grade 8, 7/16 UNC bolts to provide the grunt and so I never have to pull more than 45 ft- pounds on the torque wrench handle to get a hub to pop off.  But it would be nice to have a handle that could be braced against the floor during the torquing.  The goodness is that he hubs very seldom need to actually be removed.   Kudos to all who have fab?d their pullers!  Nice tool to have on the shelf.
>  
> Drmayf
> Aka Larry
> Pahrump
>  
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 11:51 AM
> To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
>  
> Clyde
>                 As I see it, conversations like this one are never closed.   New information and ideas are always welcome.
>  
> I would ask for some dimensions of your puller tool.
>  
> Steel plate looks like it is ?? thick?
> Size of the jack screw?
>  
> The tools shown in the Shop Manual look beefy so any tool someone makes needs to also be beefy.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of clyde mclaughlin via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 6:31 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
>  
> I know the conversation about rear axle hub pullers was pretty well exhausted a couple weeks ago, I have recently moved and finally got this unpacked so I thought I would forward along a pix of the puller I made and it works perfectly, it has probably taken off a half dozen or so, the key is a strong plate with NO FLEX and the large jack screw, set this up put a really good strain on the jack screw and then smack it with a good hammer and BANG it pops off.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Feb 18 18:54:39 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 20:54:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
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So you would like the Rootes Factory tools as shown in the Shop Manual.

 

Beefy with a lever arm.   These are nice looking tools for the job.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 7:22 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

So far all of the home made pullers I have seen, mine included, are lacking one essential component: the handle that is needed to counter the gorilla strength needed to tighten the center bolt to pop off the hub. Especially those with a central hub puller set up like a commercial puller.  Mine uses 4 grade 8, 7/16 UNC bolts to provide the grunt and so I never have to pull more than 45 ft- pounds on the torque wrench handle to get a hub to pop off.  But it would be nice to have a handle that could be braced against the floor during the torquing.  The goodness is that he hubs very seldom need to actually be removed.   Kudos to all who have fab?d their pullers!  Nice tool to have on the shelf.

 

Drmayf

Aka Larry

Pahrump

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 11:51 AM
To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net <mailto:clydemclaughlin at verizon.net> 
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

Clyde

                As I see it, conversations like this one are never closed.   New information and ideas are always welcome.

 

I would ask for some dimensions of your puller tool.

 

Steel plate looks like it is ?? thick?

Size of the jack screw?

 

The tools shown in the Shop Manual look beefy so any tool someone makes needs to also be beefy.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of clyde mclaughlin via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 6:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

I know the conversation about rear axle hub pullers was pretty well exhausted a couple weeks ago, I have recently moved and finally got this unpacked so I thought I would forward along a pix of the puller I made and it works perfectly, it has probably taken off a half dozen or so, the key is a strong plate with NO FLEX and the large jack screw, set this up put a really good strain on the jack screw and then smack it with a good hammer and BANG it pops off.

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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 19 15:37:49 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 22:37:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 103
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 Now I am confused. ?Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer, reinsert ?circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup. ?Place u end of plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.
Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.
What is going on? ?Ideas?
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Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.

The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore holding everything in.

The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it which rarely happens.

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I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?? Rubber boot was split.? There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.

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Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.

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My question:? How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?

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There are so many oddities here. ?First, at one end, the plunger should ?have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. ?That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. ?So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed. ?But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.

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I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

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The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

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It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

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Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

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Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.? See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.

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I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

 ?

The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

 ?

It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

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Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

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   Yup, it was assembled WRONG. 
   Yes, it appears to be assembled according to the photo that was posted from the 
   shop manual... which is wrong. 
   
   The circlip must retain the washer that is captive on the pushrod.? Pushrod should NOT 
   fall out loose from the master cylinder assembly. 
   
   Hopefully you did not sustain any injury or damage to your Tiger. 
   Gary 
   
   
  
  On 02/17/2022 1:35 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:   
   
 That totally matches what I would expect to see. ?That round disc should have been on the inside of the clip. ?So either it was not assembled that way, which is odd. ?Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the MC and the clip. 
  
 
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         Hello all.   
   I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?? Rubber boot was split.? There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place. 
  
        Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.   
   My question:? How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?   
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  Thanks 
         There are so many oddities here. ?First, at one end, the plunger should ?have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. ?That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. ?So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed. ?But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.  
   
  
 
  On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
     1966 Tiger MK 1A   
   I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.   
   The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.   
   It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.   
   Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?   
   Thanks 
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         Joel,   Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.? See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.   
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    1966 Tiger MK 1A   
   I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.   
   The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.   
   It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.   
   Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?   
   Thanks 
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From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 17:19:58 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 103
In-Reply-To: <950202612.150342.1645310269422@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <950202612.150342.1645310269422@mail.yahoo.com>
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If the plunger is too long it will not retract enough to open the
bleed-back hole in the master cylinder.  I had this problem when I
installed a new master cylinder that had a too long plunger.  It seemed to
work okay until I got a few blocks from home and it locked up.  The front
brakes got hot and cooked the rubber pieces and I had to rebuild
everything.  It's fun restoring a car when you don't know what you are
doing.

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 4:39 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Now I am confused.  Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer,
> reinsert  circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup.  Place u end of
> plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.
>
> Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.
>
> What is going on?  Ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 04:28:45 PM EST, <
> tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>   1. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89 (Ron Fraser)
>   2. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89 (GARY WINBLAD)
>
>
> https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX
>
>
>
>
>
> Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.
>
> The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore
> holding everything in.
>
> The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it
> which rarely happens.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joel Martin
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2022 1:01 PM
> *To:* Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <
> jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all.
>
>
>
> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out
> of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next
> to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
>
>
>
> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below
> from the workshop manual.
>
>
>
> My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master
> cylinder so it will not come out?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <
> tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
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>   1. Brake Pedal (Joel Martin)
>   2. Re: Brake Pedal (Jay)
>   3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay)
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should
>  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot
> would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it
> ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how
> flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something
> was quite odd in the assembly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
>
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No
> Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
>
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
>
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
>
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
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>
> Joel,
>
> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2
> in the attached from the workshop manual.
>
>
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
>
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No
> Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
>
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
>
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
>
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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> Yup, it was assembled WRONG.
> Yes, it appears to be assembled according to the photo that was posted
> from the
> shop manual... which is wrong.
>
> The circlip must retain the washer that is captive on the pushrod.
> Pushrod should NOT
> fall out loose from the master cylinder assembly.
>
> Hopefully you did not sustain any injury or damage to your Tiger.
> Gary
>
>
> On 02/17/2022 1:35 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> That totally matches what I would expect to see.  That round disc should
> have been on the inside of the clip.  So either it was not assembled that
> way, which is odd.  Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the
> MC and the clip.
>
> On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <
> jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hello all.
>
> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out
> of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next
> to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
>
> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below
> from the workshop manual.
>
> My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master
> cylinder so it will not come out?
>
> <My_Brake_plunger.jpg>
>
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <
> tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
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> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Brake Pedal (Joel Martin)
>   2. Re: Brake Pedal (Jay)
>   3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay)
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
>
> Thanks
> There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should
>  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot
> would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it
> ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how
> flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something
> was quite odd in the assembly.
>
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No
> Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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>
> Joel,
> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2
> in the attached from the workshop manual.
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No
> Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sat Feb 19 16:21:53 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 15:21:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 103
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Perhaps the piston was too far out before.  So there is too much fluid in the MC.  Crack open one slave to release the excess and see if that takes care of it. 

With hose, etc. of course

> On Feb 19, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Now I am confused.  Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer, reinsert  circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup.  Place u end of plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.
> 
> Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.
> 
> What is going on?  Ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 04:28:45 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to
>     tigers at autox.team.net
> 
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> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89 (Ron Fraser)
>   2. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89 (GARY WINBLAD)
> https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.
> 
> The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore holding everything in.
> 
> The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it which rarely happens.
> 
>  
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
>  
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 1:01 PM
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Hello all.
> 
>  
> 
> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
> 
>  
> 
> My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to
> 
>     tigers at autox.team.net
> 
>  
> 
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> 
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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> 
>  
> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 
>     tigers-owner at autox.team.net
> 
>  
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> 
> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Brake Pedal (Joel Martin)
>   2. Re: Brake Pedal (Jay)
>   3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay)
> 
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
> 
>  
> 
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
> 
>  
> 
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
> 
>  
> 
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> 
> 
>  
> 
> Joel,
> 
> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
> 
>  
> 
> Will - 382001570 
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
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>> 
>> Yup, it was assembled WRONG. 
>> Yes, it appears to be assembled according to the photo that was posted from the 
>> shop manual... which is wrong. 
>> 
>> The circlip must retain the washer that is captive on the pushrod.  Pushrod should NOT 
>> fall out loose from the master cylinder assembly. 
>> 
>> Hopefully you did not sustain any injury or damage to your Tiger. 
>> Gary 
>> 
>> 
>> On 02/17/2022 1:35 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That totally matches what I would expect to see.  That round disc should have been on the inside of the clip.  So either it was not assembled that way, which is odd.  Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the MC and the clip. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> 
>>> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place. 
>>> 
>>> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
>>> 
>>> My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?
>>> 
>>> <My_Brake_plunger.jpg> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to 
>>>     tigers at autox.team.net 
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>>>     tigers-request at autox.team.net 
>>> 
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at 
>>>     tigers-owner at autox.team.net 
>>> 
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific 
>>> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." 
>>> Today's Topics: 
>>> 
>>>   1. Brake Pedal (Joel Martin) 
>>>   2. Re: Brake Pedal (Jay) 
>>>   3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay) 
>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
>>> There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>>>> 
>>>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>>>> 
>>>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>>>> 
>>>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks 
>>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Joel,
>>> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
>>> 
>>> Will - 382001570 
>>> Tigers at embarqmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: 
>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>>> 
>>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>>> 
>>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>>> 
>>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>>> 
>>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sat Feb 19 16:36:15 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 15:36:15 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 103
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I don?t think my comment really works.  I think as Joe pointed out, it should flow back to the reservoir.  
Although I don?t understand how a plunger that is too long could cause problems either.  If the plunger it too long, that will just cause the pedal to be higher.  Unless the higher pedal hits something and that causes the plunger not to pull all the way out.

As Joe pointed out, if it doesn?t come back far enough, then the hole to the reservoir won?t get uncovered.  Maybe the piston or the round end of the plunger are wrong, and not allowing the piston to set all the way back.  And maybe that?s why someone assembled it before with the disk outside of the circlip.

> On Feb 19, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the piston was too far out before.  So there is too much fluid in the MC.  Crack open one slave to release the excess and see if that takes care of it. 
> 
> With hose, etc. of course
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Now I am confused.  Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer, reinsert  circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup.  Place u end of plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.
>> 
>> Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.
>> 
>> What is going on?  Ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 04:28:45 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX <https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX>
>>  
>>  
>> Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.
>> 
>> The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore holding everything in.
>> 
>> The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it which rarely happens.
>> 
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>>  
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 1:01 PM
>> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Hello all.
>> 
>>  
>> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
>> 
>>  
>> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
>> 
>>  
>> My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-request at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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>>   1. Brake Pedal (Joel Martin)
>>   2. Re: Brake Pedal (Jay)
>>   3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay)
>> 
>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks
>> 
>> There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>> 
>>  
>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>> 
>>  
>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>> 
>>  
>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>> 
>>  
>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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>>  
>> Joel,
>> 
>> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
>> 
>>  
>> Will - 382001570 
>> Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com>
>>  
>>  
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>> 
>>  
>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>> 
>>  
>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>> 
>>  
>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>> 
>>  
>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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>> Yup, it was assembled WRONG. 
>> Yes, it appears to be assembled according to the photo that was posted from the 
>> shop manual... which is wrong. 
>> 
>> The circlip must retain the washer that is captive on the pushrod.  Pushrod should NOT 
>> fall out loose from the master cylinder assembly. 
>> 
>> Hopefully you did not sustain any injury or damage to your Tiger. 
>> Gary 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 02/17/2022 1:35 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That totally matches what I would expect to see.  That round disc should have been on the inside of the clip.  So either it was not assembled that way, which is odd.  Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the MC and the clip. 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> 
>>>> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place. 
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.
>>>> 
>>>> My question:  How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?
>>>> 
>>>> <My_Brake_plunger.jpg> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <tigers-request at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-request at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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>>>>   3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay) 
>>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks 
>>>> There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks 
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>>>> 
>>>> Joel,
>>>> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
>>>> 
>>>> Will - 382001570 
>>>> Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote: 
>>>> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>>>> 
>>>> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>>>> 
>>>> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>>>> 
>>>> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks 
>>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>>> 
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From bob at hermitagewood.com  Sat Feb 19 16:42:11 2022
From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob hermitagewood.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:42:11 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 109
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Joel,
     You have it correct.   I'm betting you have a non-stock master, has your car been converted to a dual master cylinder?   I ran into the same problem recently, when upgrading to a 280zx master cylinder for 4 wheel discs.     The Datsun master was used with a booster, it never needed room between the clip and the piston for the pushrod retaining washer.    This meant the piston wouldn't retract enough to open the port to the reservoir, and the brakes were perpetually locked (or in my case, un-bleed-able).

In the end, I ended up swapping to a different master, which had room for the retaining washer.    Another option might be to shorten the piston by the thickness of the washer.    I've not tried that, but it makes sense.

Having the pushrod attached into the master with the retaining washer is the right way to do it.   The brake light switch some have suggested would probably work, but many of those switches are plastic, and none are meant to do that job.    I'd just feel safer with the pushrod attached properly, but that's just me.   Best of luck.

--Bob Burruss
Tiger #382000782

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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 22:37:49 +0000 (UTC)
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 Now I am confused. ?Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer, reinsert ?circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup. ?Place u end of plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.
Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.
What is going on? ?Ideas?
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 19 17:19:00 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 00:19:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 111
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 Thanks to all for the ideas.? Keep them coming.

Actually the brakes were\are locked up even without the plunger being attached to the brake pedal.? When the plunger is hook up via the clovis pin, the pedal is still about 1/2" from hitting the cowl or whatever you want to call the metal body just above the pedals.
Also this was purchased from SS back in 2013 part # HP42 but not run until about 3 years ago so I am thinking, cannot remember for sure, that the plunger came with the brake master back then or not.? It looks relatively new.? Also the dust boot appears to attach on the inside of the MC and not over the top on the outside.
I looked at Curt's brake master and the plunger is adjustable at the 'u' via 2 nuts.? Plus the dust boot does sit on the outside top of the MC and not inside.? Design issue 8 years ago?

Since the plunger was maybe locking up the brakes when we installed, maybe, that is why we did not install the washer on the inside of the circlip.? It worked and we just moved forward.? Fast forward 3-5 years, that was probably not a good decision.
I like the idea of maybe too much fluid inside the MC not allowing the bleed back hole open.? Will try and open a brake bleeder and let a little fluid out.


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 Perhaps the piston was too far out before. ?So there is too much fluid in the MC. ?Crack open one slave to release the excess and see if that takes care of it.?
With hose, etc. of course

If the plunger is too long it will not retract enough to open the bleed-back hole in the master cylinder.? I had this problem when I installed a new master cylinder that had a too long plunger.? It seemed to work okay until I got a few blocks from home and it locked up.? The front brakes got hot and cooked the rubber pieces and I had to rebuild everything.

I don?t think my comment really works. ?I think as Joe pointed out, it should flow back to the reservoir. ?Although I don?t understand how a plunger that is too long could cause problems either. ?If the plunger it too long, that will just cause the pedal to be higher. ?Unless the higher pedal hits something and that causes the plunger not to pull all the way out.
As Joe pointed out, if it doesn?t come back far enough, then the hole to the reservoir won?t get uncovered. ?Maybe the piston or the round end of the plunger are wrong, and not allowing the piston to set all the way back. ?And maybe that?s why someone assembled it before with the disk outside of the circlip.
 
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Perhaps the piston was too far out before. ?So there is too much fluid in the MC. ?Crack open one slave to release the excess and see if that takes care of it.?
With hose, etc. of course

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? Now I am confused. ?Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer, reinsert ?circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup. ?Place u end of plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.
Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.
What is going on? ?Ideas?
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Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.

The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore holding everything in.

The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it which rarely happens.

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I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?? Rubber boot was split.? There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.

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Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.

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My question:? How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?

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There are so many oddities here. ?First, at one end, the plunger should ?have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. ?That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. ?So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed. ?But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.

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I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

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The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

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It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

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Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

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Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.? See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.

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I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.

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The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.

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It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.

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Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?

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   Yup, it was assembled WRONG. 
   Yes, it appears to be assembled according to the photo that was posted from the 
   shop manual... which is wrong. 
   
   The circlip must retain the washer that is captive on the pushrod.? Pushrod should NOT 
   fall out loose from the master cylinder assembly. 
   
   Hopefully you did not sustain any injury or damage to your Tiger. 
   Gary 
   
   
  
  On 02/17/2022 1:35 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:   
   
 That totally matches what I would expect to see. ?That round disc should have been on the inside of the clip. ?So either it was not assembled that way, which is odd. ?Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the MC and the clip. 
  
 
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         Hello all.   
   I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?? Rubber boot was split.? There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place. 
  
        Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below from the workshop manual.   
   My question:? How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master cylinder so it will not come out?   
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         There are so many oddities here. ?First, at one end, the plunger should ?have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. ?That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. ?So since it ?came out? of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed. ?But FWIW, I can?t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.  
   
  
 
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   I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.   
   The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.   
   It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.   
   Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?   
   Thanks 
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         Joel,   Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.? See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.   
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   I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.? No Brakes.? Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.   
   The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.   
   It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.   
   Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?   
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From rollright at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 07:53:38 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:53:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump breather hose
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Hello,
?The fuel pump has an inlet that is fixed with a neoprene (?) hose that attaches to the inlet and goes throughthe trunk bulkhead to draw air from the trunk airspace.?Is there an attachment in the space before the hose goes through the trunk bulkhead that fixes it in place, or does it go directly from the pump inlet through the bulkhead ??Best regards,
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Feb 22 08:29:11 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:29:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump breather hose
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It goes direct... (though through a grommet in the hole.  IIRC)
Gary



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>     The fuel pump has an inlet that is fixed with a neoprene (?) hose that attaches to the inlet and goes through
>     the trunk bulkhead to draw air from the trunk airspace.
> 
>     Is there an attachment in the space before the hose goes through the trunk bulkhead that fixes it in place, or does it go directly from the pump inlet through the bulkhead ?
> 
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From rollright at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 08:34:57 2022
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:34:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump breather hose
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Thank you, Gary
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It goes direct... (though through a grommet in the hole.? IIRC) Gary ??
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?The fuel pump has an inlet that is fixed with a neoprene (?) hose that attaches to the inlet and goes throughthe trunk bulkhead to draw air from the trunk airspace.?Is there an attachment in the space before the hose goes through the trunk bulkhead that fixes it in place, or does it go directly from the pump inlet through the bulkhead ??Best regards,
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Feb 22 09:03:45 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:03:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump breather hose
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Jim

 

This is what the Parts Lists shows

 

P.43555                Hose (38? long) fuel pump to breather

918500                  Grommet ? Petrol pump breather tube

 

Picture from Terry McLaughlan

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 9:54 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump breather hose

 

Hello,

 

The fuel pump has an inlet that is fixed with a neoprene (?) hose that attaches to the inlet and goes through

the trunk bulkhead to draw air from the trunk airspace.

 

Is there an attachment in the space before the hose goes through the trunk bulkhead that fixes it in place, or does it go directly from the pump inlet through the bulkhead ?

 

Best regards,


Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Feb 25 16:22:58 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:22:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller
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No, not really. The one I have built and use when necessary,uses 4 torquable boltsto apply the axle end load. The big center one ala commercial type puller requires the bigger torque equal to  total loading as 4 smaller bolts combined and hence more opposite grunt to hold it in place when tightening.  I am lazy so a handle on mine reacting the torque load being applied.

 

If that wasn?t clear, my bad,,,

 

Larry

Pahrump, nv 

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 5:55 PM
To: 'Larry Mayfield' <drmayf at mayfco.com>; clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

So you would like the Rootes Factory tools as shown in the Shop Manual.

 

Beefy with a lever arm.   These are nice looking tools for the job.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 7:22 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >; clydemclaughlin at verizon.net <mailto:clydemclaughlin at verizon.net> 
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

So far all of the home made pullers I have seen, mine included, are lacking one essential component: the handle that is needed to counter the gorilla strength needed to tighten the center bolt to pop off the hub. Especially those with a central hub puller set up like a commercial puller.  Mine uses 4 grade 8, 7/16 UNC bolts to provide the grunt and so I never have to pull more than 45 ft- pounds on the torque wrench handle to get a hub to pop off.  But it would be nice to have a handle that could be braced against the floor during the torquing.  The goodness is that he hubs very seldom need to actually be removed.   Kudos to all who have fab?d their pullers!  Nice tool to have on the shelf.

 

Drmayf

Aka Larry

Pahrump

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 11:51 AM
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Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

Clyde

                As I see it, conversations like this one are never closed.   New information and ideas are always welcome.

 

I would ask for some dimensions of your puller tool.

 

Steel plate looks like it is ?? thick?

Size of the jack screw?

 

The tools shown in the Shop Manual look beefy so any tool someone makes needs to also be beefy.

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 6:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub puller

 

I know the conversation about rear axle hub pullers was pretty well exhausted a couple weeks ago, I have recently moved and finally got this unpacked so I thought I would forward along a pix of the puller I made and it works perfectly, it has probably taken off a half dozen or so, the key is a strong plate with NO FLEX and the large jack screw, set this up put a really good strain on the jack screw and then smack it with a good hammer and BANG it pops off.

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From tlawell at austin.rr.com  Mon Feb 28 14:44:35 2022
From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 15:44:35 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
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Any recommendations for a hood scoop for my Mk1A? Does a Cobra hood 
scoop work?

Cheers, Terry

From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 15:19:01 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:19:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
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What is the goal?  My dad got the LAT hood, which at the time, I was lukewarm to.  But now that I have the car, I love it.  I have the original as well, with no interest in swapping back.




> On Feb 28, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Any recommendations for a hood scoop for my Mk1A? Does a Cobra hood scoop work?
> 
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 15:29:34 2022
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 17:29:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
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Terry,

Buy the bonnet, don't cut the original. They're relatively inexpensive; the
original, once cut, will never be original again.

Tom
'67 Mark 2

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 5:19 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> What is the goal?  My dad got the LAT hood, which at the time, I was
> lukewarm to.  But now that I have the car, I love it.  I have the original
> as well, with no interest in swapping back.
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Any recommendations for a hood scoop for my Mk1A? Does a Cobra hood
> scoop work?
> >
> > Cheers, Terry
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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 28 16:14:47 2022
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 23:14:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
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 There was a LAT rivet on scoop, might have been a Cobra scoop.
This might work
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265507719586?ViewItem=&item=265507719586&vxp=mtr
David

    On Monday, February 28, 2022, 01:45:03 PM PST, Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Any recommendations for a hood scoop for my Mk1A? Does a Cobra hood 
scoop work?

Cheers, Terry
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Mon Feb 28 16:25:59 2022
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (LARRY PAULICK)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
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A hood scoop, looks cool, but does very little for performance.  What is needed is a cold air induction box connected to the carburetor, so that the air from the scoop goes directly to the carb.  This has been used for years in racing, and NASCAR uses the high-pressure area of the windshield for the hood scoop, with the 
air inlet of the scoop facing the windshield. Here's the cold air box that I made for my tiger.



> On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> What is the goal?  My dad got the LAT hood, which at the time, I was lukewarm to.  But now that I have the car, I love it.  I have the original as well, with no interest in swapping back.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Any recommendations for a hood scoop for my Mk1A? Does a Cobra hood scoop work?
>> 
>> Cheers, Terry
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Feb 28 19:08:09 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 21:08:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
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I believe Larry has stated this correctly.   If you want outside air with
some ram effect, you need to grab air off the windshield into a sealed air
box.

 

I don't have a hood scoop so I may be full of it with the following
statements.

 

The articles I have read about the Cobra style hood scoop state they work
poorly to get air to the carb at all speeds.

They mostly let hot air out when you slow down and stop.

Shelby American used them but they also studied and created air flow through
the engine compartment.

Other cars with hood scoops, they were sealed to the carb air box for a ram
effect.

Today with the cone shaped K&N type air filters, they put an air box around
them to cancel turbulent air flow.

 

So, as Jay stated - what's your goal.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of LARRY PAULICK via
Tigers
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 6:26 PM
To: Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] hood scoop

 

A hood scoop, looks cool, but does very little for performance.  What is
needed is a cold air induction box connected to the carburetor, so that the
air from the scoop goes directly to the carb.  This has been used for years
in racing, and NASCAR uses the high-pressure area of the windshield for the
hood scoop, with the air inlet of the scoop facing the windshield. Here's
the cold air box that I made for my tiger.

 







On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net
<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

What is the goal?  My dad got the LAT hood, which at the time, I was
lukewarm to.  But now that I have the car, I love it.  I have the original
as well, with no interest in swapping back.







On Feb 28, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net
<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Any recommendations for a hood scoop for my Mk1A? Does a Cobra hood scoop
work?

Cheers, Terry
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 28 19:48:13 2022
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 19:48:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
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That looks like a later model Cobra scoop? the LAT option rivet-on scoop was LAT25 and is proportioned more or less as shown in this photo:
323691-sunbeam-tiger-mark-ii-serial-3-concours-restoration-of-a-significant-tiger <https://forums.aaca.org/topic/323691-sunbeam-tiger-mark-ii-serial-3-concours-restoration-of-a-significant-tiger/>

This is probably close enough you could claim it as being period correct:
p-182-fiberglass-hood-scoop.aspx <https://www.csxparts.com/p-182-fiberglass-hood-scoop.aspx>

Especially if you rivet it on.
hollywood-sports-cars-tiger <https://www.thevrl.com/photo/hollywood-sports-cars-tiger?context=user>

But: As others have noted, the forward facing scoop in the centre of the hood is not the best way to go for actual performance.

Cheers,
Theo

> On Feb 28, 2022, at 4:14 PM, D or G at sbc via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> There was a LAT rivet on scoop, might have been a Cobra scoop.
> 
> This might work
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/265507719586?ViewItem=&item=265507719586&vxp=mtr <https://www.ebay.com/itm/265507719586?ViewItem=&item=265507719586&vxp=mtr>
> 
> David
> 
> On Monday, February 28, 2022, 01:45:03 PM PST, Terry Lawell via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Any recommendations for a hood scoop for my Mk1A? Does a Cobra hood 
> scoop work?
> 
> Cheers, Terry
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From tlawell at austin.rr.com  Mon Feb 28 19:58:36 2022
From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 20:58:36 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
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Thanks for the inputs. My goal was more for aesthetics than performance. 
My original Mk1 Tiger, which I had in France in 1965, had a functional 
air scoop sealed to the carb (see attachment). But my Mk1a is completely 
stock and I would like to add the air scoop just for looks.

Cheers, Terry


On 2/28/22, 5:25 PM, LARRY PAULICK wrote:
> A hood scoop, looks cool, but does very little for performance.  What 
> is needed is a cold air induction box connected to the carburetor, so 
> that the air from the scoop goes directly to the carb.  This has been 
> used for years in racing, and NASCAR uses the high-pressure area of 
> the windshield for the hood scoop, with the air inlet of the scoop 
> facing the windshield. Here's the cold air box that I made for my tiger.
>
>
>
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net 
>> <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What is the goal?  My dad got the LAT hood, which at the time, I was 
>> lukewarm to.  But now that I have the car, I love it.  I have the 
>> original as well, with no interest in swapping back.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers 
>>> <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for a hood scoop for my Mk1A? Does a Cobra hood 
>>> scoop work?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Terry
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
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