From coolvt at aol.com  Thu Aug  4 06:37:09 2022
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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 12:37:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tested on Tiger?  :-))
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Aug  4 07:24:56 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 09:24:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tested on Tiger?  :-))
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Hans restraint devise - experiment #1 ? failed ? seat back folded during brake test ? minor cuts and bruising reported ? crash test aborted for safety reasons   ? 

 

Ron Fraser ?

 

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From dave at munroe.ca  Thu Aug  4 12:18:00 2022
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 15:18:00 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Tested on Tiger? :-))
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Ha ha Ron!
Might have worked on robots...

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From coolvt at aol.com  Thu Aug  4 15:01:39 2022
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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 21:01:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] fAnother safety experiment
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If? your kid keeps grabbing your beer, this is what you need.?
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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 23:34:03 2022
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 22:34:03 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply
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Dan, your memory is better than mine. In 1966 I was 17 and I was running used tires and retreads (remember those) Now, I drove every car I owned like I stole it in those days. I remember bias ply tires and the change to radials; which was an upgrade! Do I remember all the nuances of that upgrade? Sadly, no. But one thing I do know is that tire technology is soooo much different than back in the day. My memories of that time was always fixing flats. :-)

Thanks for the memories! 
Jim
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> To answer your basic question ("What was it like..."), in 1966 I was given a used (but still good) set of Michelin X tires (remember them?). I installed these in place of the original equipment Dunlop SP tires (1965 Mk1). I was amazed at the difference these made in the overall enjoyment of the car. Handled better; rode better; better mileage; etc. etc. It was a revelation to a person who was still very early in his automotive journey.
> 
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> I know it?s been a long time ago, but does anybody remember the difference between switching from bias ply to radial tires? It?s pretty much an academic question I know, because everybody?s running radials, but I was wondering what it was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  6 09:53:21 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 15:53:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 245
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 I bought my Tiger in 1979 with bias ply ply tires on 13 inch rims and ran it that way for 10 years.? The car was slick in every scenario but one.? On the street it was best to steer with the accelerator pedal but I was embarrassed? more than once not doing so.? Busy intersection making a normal left or right hand turn on 4 lane roads after waiting on light, the rear end would just swing around and I would be pointing the wrong way in the middle of the highway.? Cars would start honking, hands waving, no middle fingers, basically just laughing.? I would throw up my hands in surrender and then in a swirl of smoke and rubber head off down the road.
The only time that these bias ply tires seemed to be any benefit was when drag racing on the beach.? Uncap the CAT 3" cutouts on their headers, let a bunch of air out of the tires, wave money and take on all comers before the bands started on the beach and the serious drinking began.? Bias ply tires seemed to work then.
Now 15" LAT 70 wheels with good radial rubber, it is a different car to drive and much more enjoyable without the 180 degree rear end swinging around.
Different times, different tires, some things do get better with age.
Joel Martin

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 To answer your basic question ("What was it like..."), in 1966 I was given a used (but still good) set of Michelin X tires (remember them?). I installed these in place of the original equipment Dunlop SP tires (1965 Mk1). I was amazed at the difference these made in the overall enjoyment of the car. Handled better; rode better; better mileage; etc. etc. It was a revelation to a person who was still very early in his automotive journey.
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Subject: [Tigers] Radial versus bias ply?I know it?s been a long time ago, but does anybody remember the difference between switching from bias ply to radial tires? It?s pretty much an academic question I know, because everybody?s running radials, but I was wondering what it was like to drive a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine on bias ply tires.
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sun Aug  7 19:56:08 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2022 21:56:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FW: [HillmanCars] My 66 Minx on BringATrailer - Will it
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A very nice buildSent from my Galaxy
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Wed Aug 10 10:12:29 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:12:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.? Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old drawing doesn't specify.?Any help is appreciated.?Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 11:42:28 2022
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:42:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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The other hole is for the oil pressure tube.

Stu

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 1:39 PM Jim D'Amelio via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.
> Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old
> drawing doesn't specify.
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> Any help is appreciated.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Aug 10 11:57:57 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:57:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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Jim

 

Looking at your picture, I have this

Left hole ? oil pressure line

Right hole ? speedo cable

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:12 PM
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There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.  Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old drawing doesn't specify. 

 

Any help is appreciated. 

 

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Wed Aug 10 12:03:50 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 14:03:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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Thank you Rob and StuSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 8/10/22  1:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'Jim D'Amelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Need Some Advice Jim?Looking at your picture, I have thisLeft hole ? oil pressure lineRight hole ? speedo cable?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio via TigersSent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:12 PMTo: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice?There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.? Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old drawing doesn't specify.??Any help is appreciated.??Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy?
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:21:54 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:21:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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Looking through my old photos it looks like the hole on the left (closest
to the engine) is for the oil pressure line.  And the other hole would be
the speedometer cable.

Regards,
Joe Brown

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> There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.
> Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old
> drawing doesn't specify.
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:23:30 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:23:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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References: <638646704.6548779.1660147955347@verizon.net>
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And I verified that with a drawing I made of the firewall when I took the
car apart.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 1:21 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looking through my old photos it looks like the hole on the left (closest
> to the engine) is for the oil pressure line.  And the other hole would be
> the speedometer cable.
>
> Regards,
> Joe Brown
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 12:43 PM Jim D'Amelio via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.
>> Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old
>> drawing doesn't specify.
>>
>> Any help is appreciated.
>>
>> Jim D
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Wed Aug 10 12:58:21 2022
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner e.coiner)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:58:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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Is it the oil pressure line?

> On August 10, 2022 at 9:12 AM Jim D'Amelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>     There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.  Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old drawing doesn't specify. 
> 
>     Any help is appreciated. 
> 
>     Jim D
> 
> 
> 
>     Sent from my Galaxy
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Wed Aug 10 15:38:19 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  Need Some Advice
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Thanks to everyone that respondedJim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Jim D'Amelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 8/10/22  1:27 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.? Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old drawing doesn't specify.?Any help is appreciated.?Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Aug 10 18:32:13 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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Correct.  Originally the oil pressure line ran
next to the valve cover at the intake manifold
the around the front of the valve cover and
down to the block fitting.
Gary



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> On Aug 10, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> ?
> And I verified that with a drawing I made of the firewall when I took the car apart.
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 1:21 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looking through my old photos it looks like the hole on the left (closest to the engine) is for the oil pressure line.  And the other hole would be the speedometer cable.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Joe Brown
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 12:43 PM Jim D'Amelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> There are two holes in the Tiger firewall above the steering column.  Which one is for the speedo cable and what is the other for? My 40 year old drawing doesn't specify. 
>>> 
>>> Any help is appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Jim D
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Aug 10 19:01:33 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Need Some Advice
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Yes, the small oil pressure line that goes to the oil pressure gauge.



>     On 08/10/2022 2:58 PM e.coiner e.coiner <e.coiner at cox.net> wrote:
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Aug 13 11:31:15 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 13:31:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] False floor holes
Message-ID: <1768423962.328301.1660411883249@verizon.net>

I'm not able to locate the six holes in the floorboard for the foot rest. Must be covered over with POR.? Anyone have bare floorboards to take pictures and dimensions.?ThanksJim DSent from my Galaxy
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Aug 13 14:07:45 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 13:07:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] False floor holes
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I thought the vertical ?tabs? were welded
to the floorboards.
Gary


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> I'm not able to locate the six holes in the floorboard for the foot rest. Must be covered over with POR.  Anyone have bare floorboards to take pictures and dimensions. 
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From harryb at elams.org  Sat Aug 13 16:27:35 2022
From: harryb at elams.org (H B Elam)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 18:27:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Foot holder holes
Message-ID: <6C34ADBD-730F-458C-8B2C-06E23306E121@elams.org>

Jim, in 0471 & 2027 there were no holes in the floor panel. Only in the footwell. 

Harry Elam
B382000471

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Aug 13 17:15:58 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 19:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] False floor holes
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Jim 

 

Any chance you can see the holes from underneath or on the firewall?

 

I have not looked so not sure.

 

You should be able to set the foot rest in place and get an idea of locations.

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] False floor holes

 

I'm not able to locate the six holes in the floorboard for the foot rest. Must be covered over with POR.  Anyone have bare floorboards to take pictures and dimensions. 

 

Thanks

 

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Aug 13 17:54:23 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 19:54:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] False floor holes
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Ron,I looked underneath and only saw one hole and that was too far back.? Think it was for a carpet stud.? I put it in place and have an idea of its position.? Pulled back some of the heat barrier I had down and can't find anything.? They are the original floors.? Only lower sheet metal that didn't need replacing.? Guess I'll need to drill new holes.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 8/13/22  7:15 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'Jim D'Amelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] False floor holes Jim ?Any chance you can see the holes from underneath or on the firewall??I have not looked so not sure.?You should be able to set the foot rest in place and get an idea of locations.?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio via TigersSent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:31 PMTo: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] False floor holes?I'm not able to locate the six holes in the floorboard for the foot rest. Must be covered over with POR.? Anyone have bare floorboards to take pictures and dimensions.??Thanks?Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy?
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 17:58:10 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 16:58:10 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 1/2" Clutch Master Cylinder
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I have no idea what clutch my dad has inside of the Tiger.  I know it has the 5/8? master and the pedal is by far the stiffest clutch I?ve ever used. I was thinking about putting a 1/2? master on. Tilton does make one. But I don?t know if it will fight right yet.

Anyone have any thoughts?  Maybe anyone remember what my dad might have selected inside the clutch.  I think Dan Walters worked on it and I?ve emailed him directly.



From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 13:20:35 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:20:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Master
Message-ID: <7DA17B7B-795A-488B-8785-88131AE40714@gmail.com>

Thanks all for the comments.  Most said that the biggest concern is if I?ll get clutch disengagement.  Dan commented that the larger slave is less of a change than dropping to 1/2 from 5/8.  But swapping the master is much easier.  And  I?m not even 1/2 way pressed and I get clutch disengagement.  

So right now I?m probably going to try that.  It?s a shame I don?t know what clutch dad had.  

I?ll see if I can see underneath to see what clutch slave in on there.

From harryb at elams.org  Mon Aug 15 14:12:39 2022
From: harryb at elams.org (H B Elam)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:12:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Issues
Message-ID: <651AE29B-D157-457F-87E7-5C86CBFB30BF@elams.org>

Jay, Sadly I have no recommendations of the bore size to your Master cylinder. However I still have advice.

Take a look for the return spring in the clutch activation fork. I lost two throughout bearings before I realized that it was missing. The return spring was on my first Tiger B382002027. But not on my 2nd Tiger B383000471. I can not find it in any of the parts manuals but once installed my throughout bearing problems disappeared. On both the Tigers mentioned above there is a hole in the driver side frame extension that worked great for the forward connection point and the fork has a hole for the after end connection. As a TACH inspector I have looked for these springs for the last 15 or so years or so. They are not on all cars. Although not in my hands now, I know the spring is still installed and protecting the through the bearing in my last Tiger.

Harry Elam
Tach #37
B383000471

From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 16 13:18:35 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 19:18:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
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 All - FYI

I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.? Rick at SS sells the screw on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.? Rick at SS does not sell the clip on version



 Original??????????????????????????????????????????????? SS part EL52D screw on ?????????????????????????????????????????? Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.
I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?
Joel Martin
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? 3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)
Hello all!
Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.? It was ready to fall off.? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.
Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Joel


Joel,
Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? Part #?560-325

https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip

Sent from my Galaxy

-------- Original message --------From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS 
Hello all!
Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.? It was ready to fall off.? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.
Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Joel


What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when they were bought by Moss?
Have Fun,Joe Brown
On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

Joel,
Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? Part #?560-325

https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip

Sent from my Galaxy

-------- Original message --------From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS 
Hello all!
Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.? It was ready to fall off.? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.
Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Joel


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From twotigers at verizon.net  Tue Aug 16 16:30:59 2022
From: twotigers at verizon.net (twotigers at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:30:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
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I wouldn?t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don?t ask?

 

Kirk

 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146

 

All - FYI

 

I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.  Rick at SS sells the screw on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.  Rick at SS does not sell the clip on version

 




Original                                                SS part EL52D screw on                                            Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.

 

I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?

 

Joel Martin

 

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  3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)

Hello all!

 

Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.  It was ready to fall off.  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.  Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.

 

Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.

 

Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".

 

I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Joel

 

 

Joel,

 

Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.  Part # 560-325

 

 

https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

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Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS 

 

Hello all!

 

Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.  It was ready to fall off.  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.  Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.

 

Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.

 

Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".

 

I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Joel

 

 

What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when they were bought by Moss?

 

Have Fun,

Joe Brown

 

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Joel,

 

Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.  Part # 560-325

 

 

https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

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Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS 

 

Hello all!

 

Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.  It was ready to fall off.  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.  Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.

 

Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.

 

Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".

 

I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Joel

 

 

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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 17 04:26:35 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:26:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <001701d8b1bf$dc8c6d10$95a54730$@verizon.net>
References: <mailman.4.1652292001.28547.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <1238157401.1405466.1660677515628@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001701d8b1bf$dc8c6d10$95a54730$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1254326560.1544770.1660731995473@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thanks
Has anyone done a write up on making the conversion that they would share?
    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022, 06:31:07 PM EDT, twotigers at verizon.net <twotigers at verizon.net> wrote:  
 
 
I wouldn?t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don?t ask?

 ?

Kirk

 ?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146

 ?

All - FYI

 ?

I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.? Rick at SS sells the screw on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.? Rick at SS does not sell the clip on version

 ?




Original??????????????????????????????????????????????? SS part EL52D screw on ?????????????????????????????????????????? Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.

 ?

I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?

 ?

Joel Martin

 ?

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 02:01:12 PM EDT, <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote: 

 ?

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than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."

Today's Topics:

? 1. EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joel Martin)
? 2. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (jimdamelio)
? 3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)

Hello all!

 ?

Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.? It was ready to fall off.? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.

 ?

Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.

 ?

Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".

 ?

I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.

 ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 ?

Joel

 ?

 ?

Joel,

 ?

Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? Part #?560-325

 ?

 ?

https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip

 ?

 ?

Sent from my Galaxy

 ?

 ?

-------- Original message --------

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> 

Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net> 

Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS 

 ?

Hello all!

 ?

Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.? It was ready to fall off.? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.

 ?

Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.

 ?

Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".

 ?

I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.

 ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 ?

Joel

 ?

 ?

What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when they were bought by Moss?

 ?

Have Fun,

Joe Brown

 ?

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


Joel,

 ?

Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? Part #?560-325

 ?

 ?

https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip

 ?

 ?

Sent from my Galaxy

 ?

 ?

-------- Original message --------

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> 

Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net> 

Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS 

 ?

Hello all!

 ?

Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.? It was ready to fall off.? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.

 ?

Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on clip, screws not included.

 ?

Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up procedure, Rick has not.? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2 rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws, Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".

 ?

I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know the proper procedure.? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this now in addition to much detailing.

 ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 ?

Joel

 ?

 ?

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 05:57:32 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 19:57:32 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <1254326560.1544770.1660731995473@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.4.1652292001.28547.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <1238157401.1405466.1660677515628@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001701d8b1bf$dc8c6d10$95a54730$@verizon.net>
 <1254326560.1544770.1660731995473@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAET8snUpheZcx2cZQpMTr7z77e7Ok=niH-tv3NeE789kNbKVRg@mail.gmail.com>

As in from clip on timd to screw on ..used to eb writeups on the saoca
site... Maybe on tigers united as well.
Iirc was carefully drilling the rim then riveting the clip eoth the speed
nut type fixing to the retaining ring.... Iirc



On Wednesday, 17 August 2022, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks
>
> Has anyone done a write up on making the conversion that they would share?
>
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022, 06:31:07 PM EDT, twotigers at verizon.net <
> twotigers at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn?t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don?t ask?
>
>
>
> Kirk
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joel Martin
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
>
>
>
> All - FYI
>
>
>
> I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye
> brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.  Rick at SS sells the screw
> on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works just
> fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.  Rick at SS does not sell the
> clip on version
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> Original                                                SS part EL52D
> screw on                                            Moss Clip on 560-325
> - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.
>
>
>
> I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?
>
>
>
> Joel Martin
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 02:01:12 PM EDT, <
> tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to
>
>     tigers at autox.team.net
>
>
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>
>     http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers
>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>
>     tigers-request at autox.team.net
>
>
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>
>     tigers-owner at autox.team.net
>
>
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>
> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joel Martin)
>   2. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (jimdamelio)
>   3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)
>
> Hello all!
>
>
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.  It was ready to fall
> off.  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.  Dodged a
> bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
>
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
>
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
>
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
>
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
>
> Joel,
>
>
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.
> Part # 560-325
>
>
>
>
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
>
>
> Hello all!
>
>
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.  It was ready to fall
> off.  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.  Dodged a
> bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
>
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
>
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
>
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
>
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
>
> What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when
> they were bought by Moss?
>
>
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Joe Brown
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Joel,
>
>
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.
> Part # 560-325
>
>
>
>
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
>
>
> Hello all!
>
>
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.  It was ready to fall
> off.  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.  Dodged a
> bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
>
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
>
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
>
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
>
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
>
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From gammaman at mokancomm.net  Wed Aug 17 06:24:36 2022
From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 07:24:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <1254326560.1544770.1660731995473@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.4.1652292001.28547.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <1238157401.1405466.1660677515628@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001701d8b1bf$dc8c6d10$95a54730$@verizon.net>
 <1254326560.1544770.1660731995473@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dd145265df090319e16392097f1158cd.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>



https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/headlight-bezel-ring-modification.4224/


On Wed, August 17, 2022 5:26 am, Joel Martin via Tigers
wrote:
> Thanks
> Has anyone done a write up on making the
conversion that they would share?
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022,
06:31:07 PM EDT, twotigers at verizon.net
>
<twotigers at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> I
wouldn???t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don???t ask???
>
> ???
>
> Kirk
>
>
???
>
>
From: Tigers
<tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via
> Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,
Vol 15, Issue 146
>
> ???
>
> All -
FYI
>
> ???
>
> I did not know there
were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye
> brow - a
screw on clip and a clip on version.??? Rick at SS sells the screw
> on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which
works
> just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.??? Rick
at SS does not sell
> the clip on version
>
>
???
>
>
>
>
>
Original?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> SS part EL52D screw on
>
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.
>
> ???
>
> I wonder why the original 56
year old clip broke?
>
> ???
>
> Joel
Martin
>
> ???
>
> On Wednesday, May
11, 2022 at 02:01:12 PM EDT,
>
<tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
???
>
> ???
>
> Send Tigers
mailing list submissions to
>
> ?????????
tigers at autox.team.net
>
> ???
>
> To
subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>
>
????????? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers
>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'
to
>
> ?????????
tigers-request at autox.team.net
>
> ???
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>
>
????????? tigers-owner at autox.team.net
>
>
???
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line
so it is more specific
>
> than "Re: Contents of Tigers
digest..."
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> ???
1. EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joel Martin)
> ???
2. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (jimdamelio)
>
??? 3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)
>
> Hello all!
>
> ???
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed
the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.???
It was ready to
> fall off.??? So I removed it and the clip
was broken and just fell out.???
> Dodged a bullet that this
did not happen while driving.
>
> ???
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a
screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
>
???
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and
has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.??? I understand
from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket
and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not
ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
>
???
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the
rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.??? My Tiger
was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event
in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition
to much detailing.
>
> ???
>
> Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ???
>
> Joel
>
> ???
>
>
???
>
> Joel,
>
> ???
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw
on.???
> Part #???560-325
>
> ???
>
> ???
>
>
https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
> ???
>
> ???
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
> ???
>
> ???
>
>
-------- Original message --------
>
>
From: Joel
Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Date:
5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve
<tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D
Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> ???
>
> Hello all!
>
> ???
>
> Pulled
up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
>
passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.??? It was ready
to
> fall off.??? So I removed it and the clip was broken and
just fell out.???
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen
while driving.
>
> ???
>
> Rick no
longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ???
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.??? I understand from Rick you drill
out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new
clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I
bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ???
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really
know
> the proper procedure.??? My Tiger was accepted in the
Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May
29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much
detailing.
>
> ???
>
> Any help would
be greatly appreciated.
>
> ???
>
>
Joel
>
> ???
>
> ???
>
> What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had
when
> they were bought by Moss?
>
> ???
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Joe Brown
>
> ???
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM
jimdamelio via Tigers
> <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Joel,
>
> ???
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw
on.???
> Part #???560-325
>
> ???
>
> ???
>
>
https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
> ???
>
> ???
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
> ???
>
> ???
>
>
-------- Original message --------
>
>
From: Joel
Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Date:
5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve
<tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D
Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> ???
>
> Hello all!
>
> ???
>
> Pulled
up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
>
passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.??? It was ready
to
> fall off.??? So I removed it and the clip was broken and
just fell out.???
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen
while driving.
>
> ???
>
> Rick no
longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ???
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.??? I understand from Rick you drill
out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new
clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I
bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ???
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really
know
> the proper procedure.??? My Tiger was accepted in the
Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May
29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much
detailing.
>
> ???
>
> Any help would
be greatly appreciated.
>
> ???
>
>
Joel
>
> ???
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Aug 17 12:37:29 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 14:37:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <dd145265df090319e16392097f1158cd.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>
References: <mailman.4.1652292001.28547.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <1238157401.1405466.1660677515628@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001701d8b1bf$dc8c6d10$95a54730$@verizon.net>
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Richard

                That looks like a good article on the subject  - thanks for the link.

 

Joel

Here is a picture of my original screw type clip.

I use Low Strength Threadlock on the screw, just for a safety factor.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Richard Bruner via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 8:25 AM
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146

 

https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/headlight-bezel-ring-modification.4224/


On Wed, August 17, 2022 5:26 am, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
> Thanks
> Has anyone done a write up on making the conversion that they would share?
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022, 06:31:07 PM EDT, twotigers at verizon.net <mailto:twotigers at verizon.net> 
> <twotigers at verizon.net <mailto:twotigers at verizon.net> > wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn???t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don???t ask???
>
> ? 
>
> Kirk
>
> ? 
>
>
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Joel Martin via
> Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
>
> ? 
>
> All - FYI
>
> ? 
>
> I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye
> brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.?  Rick at SS sells the screw
> on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works
> just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.?  Rick at SS does not sell
> the clip on version
>
> ? 
>
>
>
>
> Original? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> SS part EL52D screw on
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.
>
> ? 
>
> I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?
>
> ? 
>
> Joel Martin
>
> ? 
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 02:01:12 PM EDT,
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> ?  1. EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joel Martin)
> ?  2. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (jimdamelio)
> ?  3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)
>
> Hello all!
>
> ? 
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ? 
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ? 
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ? 
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ? 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ? 
>
> Joel
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> Joel,
>
> ? 
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? 
> Part #? 560-325
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> ? 
>
> Hello all!
>
> ? 
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ? 
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ? 
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ? 
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ? 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ? 
>
> Joel
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when
> they were bought by Moss?
>
> ? 
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Joe Brown
>
> ? 
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers
> <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:
>
>
> Joel,
>
> ? 
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? 
> Part #? 560-325
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> ? 
>
> Hello all!
>
> ? 
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ? 
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ? 
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ? 
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ? 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ? 
>
> Joel
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 17:47:39 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 19:47:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Eyebrows screwed or not. Alpine nose or Tiger
Message-ID: <CACQC2nV4GnCfgSgoL_y0NQWqSNV9_n8nKM69hmLA+ONvzGPnRg@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a differance between an Alpine nose and a Tiger?
Screws or clips
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 20:02:33 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:02:33 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Eyebrows screwed or not. Alpine nose or Tiger
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Lance,

Not quite understanding the question? Are you referring to the headlight or
grill eyebrow?
The alpine ans tiger headlight rims and grill surround are the same and
same fixings.
The change between screw fixing and clip fixing headlight rims was the same
time in alpine and tiger production.
They were not model specific parts.
The sheet metal radiator support panel has detail changes for tigers if
that is what you are asking?


On Thursday, 18 August 2022, Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a differance between an Alpine nose and a Tiger?
> Screws or clips
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Regards

Michael King
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From cbowland at msn.com  Thu Aug 18 13:27:51 2022
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:27:51 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Hoods
Message-ID: <MW5PR11MB5786404C9751DE98309A1010DB6D9@MW5PR11MB5786.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Would appreciate any sources for current LAT fiberglass hoods.

Thanks,

Curt
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 14:28:25 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:28:25 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Hoods
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I don?t know current sources.  But I can add this.  My dad got one, and it?s now on the car.  I love it and would not swap back on the stock one.  If I recall correctly, it is not fiberglass, but possibly a carbon fiber.  However, the arc of the bonnet does not exactly match the arc of the fender line.  The bonnet edge arcs a little higher than the body.

As I said, it?s not so bad that I would go back to stock.  But if you are looking at options, you should confirm how they fit.  And if there are really good ones out there, I might actually be inclined to buy another one.  So let me know what you find!



> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Curt Bowland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Would appreciate any sources for current LAT fiberglass hoods. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Curt 
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 14:30:13 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:30:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Hoods
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References: <MW5PR11MB5786404C9751DE98309A1010DB6D9@MW5PR11MB5786.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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I should probably add that otherwise it is great.  It is strong.  It otherwise fits perfectly.  The latch area is well built with no signs of stress.  The grilles are all nicely inlaid and look great.  The hood rod holder is doing great.

I can imagine that any of those areas could be problems on other versions.  



> On Aug 18, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don?t know current sources.  But I can add this.  My dad got one, and it?s now on the car.  I love it and would not swap back on the stock one.  If I recall correctly, it is not fiberglass, but possibly a carbon fiber.  However, the arc of the bonnet does not exactly match the arc of the fender line.  The bonnet edge arcs a little higher than the body.
> 
> As I said, it?s not so bad that I would go back to stock.  But if you are looking at options, you should confirm how they fit.  And if there are really good ones out there, I might actually be inclined to buy another one.  So let me know what you find!
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Curt Bowland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Would appreciate any sources for current LAT fiberglass hoods. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Curt 
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From deiland1 at att.net  Thu Aug 18 22:27:06 2022
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 04:27:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Hoods
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There used to be a gentleman, I believe he owned an aeronautical company in California, who would go into his business at night and make fiberglass LAT hoods for Tigers and I heard he also produced Shelby hoods. He only worked by special order. He was very busy and very difficult to get in touch with. I bought a LAT hood from him around 1998-1999. Took months to get, but well worth the wait. I was in the process of having my Tiger painted when it arrived and when I dropped the new hood at the paint shop they had never seen anything made out of fiberglass that was so well made. Sold my Tiger many years ago but maybe some old-timer (oops, I mean experienced) members of this list might remember the man's name.
Dan Eiland?X Tiger owner?



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From deiland1 at att.net  Thu Aug 18 22:39:15 2022
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 04:39:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Hoods
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In follow-up, I believe the person I purchased my LAT hood from was:
Kent Wilcox (Aerodyne Engineering)
1763 North Marshall Avenue
El Cajon, CA 92040
(619) 448-6700
Don't know if he's still around or if this information is still current. I vaguely recall I had to call him around 2AM to talk to him.
Good luck,
Dan Eiland?

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  On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:27 PM, Daniel Eiland<deiland1 at att.net> wrote:   There used to be a gentleman, I believe he owned an aeronautical company in California, who would go into his business at night and make fiberglass LAT hoods for Tigers and I heard he also produced Shelby hoods. He only worked by special order. He was very busy and very difficult to get in touch with. I bought a LAT hood from him around 1998-1999. Took months to get, but well worth the wait. I was in the process of having my Tiger painted when it arrived and when I dropped the new hood at the paint shop they had never seen anything made out of fiberglass that was so well made. Sold my Tiger many years ago but maybe some old-timer (oops, I mean experienced) members of this list might remember the man's name.
Dan Eiland?X Tiger owner?



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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 19 04:29:11 2022
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:29:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <001301d8b268$692c3f40$3b84bdc0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <mailman.4.1652292001.28547.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <1238157401.1405466.1660677515628@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001701d8b1bf$dc8c6d10$95a54730$@verizon.net>
 <1254326560.1544770.1660731995473@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Thanks Ron for the photo. ?This shows the inside portion well. ?What does the eyebrow look like? ?Do you have to drill out the ?three rivets? on the eye brow or just the center one?
>From the cat forum pictures, it looks like you to drill out all three and then have a mess to fix and repaint the the eye brow. ?Is this right?

Thanks?
Joel    On Wednesday, August 17, 2022, 02:37:57 PM EDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:  
 
 
Richard

??????????????? That looks like a good article on the subject? - thanks for the link.

 ?

Joel

Here is a picture of my original screw type clip.

I use Low Strength Threadlock on the screw, just for a safety factor.

 ?

Ron Fraser

 ?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Richard Bruner via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 8:25 AM
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146

 ?

https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/headlight-bezel-ring-modification.4224/


On Wed, August 17, 2022 5:26 am, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
> Thanks
> Has anyone done a write up on making the conversion that they would share?
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022, 06:31:07 PM EDT, twotigers at verizon.net
> <twotigers at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn???t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don???t ask???
>
> ??
>
> Kirk
>
> ??
>
>
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via
> Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
>
> ??
>
> All - FYI
>
> ??
>
> I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye
> brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.?? Rick at SS sells the screw
> on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works
> just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.?? Rick at SS does not sell
> the clip on version
>
> ??
>
>
>
>
> Original??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> SS part EL52D screw on
> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.
>
> ??
>
> I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?
>
> ??
>
> Joel Martin
>
> ??
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 02:01:12 PM EDT,
> <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to
>
> ?????? tigers at autox.team.net
>
> ??
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>
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>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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> Today's Topics:
>
> ?? 1. EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joel Martin)
> ?? 2. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (jimdamelio)
> ?? 3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)
>
> Hello all!
>
> ??
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?? It was ready to
> fall off.?? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.??
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ??
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ??
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ??
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ??
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ??
>
> Joel
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> Joel,
>
> ??
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.??
> Part #??560-325
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> ??
>
> Hello all!
>
> ??
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?? It was ready to
> fall off.?? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.??
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ??
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ??
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ??
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ??
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ??
>
> Joel
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when
> they were bought by Moss?
>
> ??
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Joe Brown
>
> ??
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers
> <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Joel,
>
> ??
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.??
> Part #??560-325
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> ??
>
> Hello all!
>
> ??
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?? It was ready to
> fall off.?? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.??
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ??
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ??
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ??
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ??
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ??
>
> Joel
>
> ??
>
> ??
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Fri Aug 19 08:29:25 2022
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 14:29:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event
References: <772112398.236780.1660919365735.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <772112398.236780.1660919365735@mail.yahoo.com>

Good Morning,? ? ? The next Florida TAC Event will be held in Valrico, Florida on September 24th starting at 10am.? If you are interested in having you car authenticated, please contact me by email, sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net, for details.? ? ? ?Thanks,
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Aug 19 08:39:45 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:39:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
In-Reply-To: <1996777027.85472.1660904951804@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.4.1652292001.28547.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <1238157401.1405466.1660677515628@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001701d8b1bf$dc8c6d10$95a54730$@verizon.net>
 <1254326560.1544770.1660731995473@mail.yahoo.com>
 <dd145265df090319e16392097f1158cd.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>
 <001301d8b268$692c3f40$3b84bdc0$@bluefrog.com>
 <1996777027.85472.1660904951804@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01d8b3d9$87b57180$97205480$@bluefrog.com>

Joel

 

The picture was an example of the factory original screw type eye brow.  

I thought the picture was needed to understand both configuration.

 

The screw type eye brow only has 1 chamfered hole which is offset slightly to the grille area.   See pictures

2nd picture, the rib lines up with the peak of the eye brow, the screw hole is offset about 7/8?.

 

I don?t have any of the clip on eye brows to determine if the rivets all need to be drilled out.

I suspect it depend on the conditions of the parts you have on hand.

 

Original Screw   Tapping screw   Alpine Parts List ? Section W

 

9723125                #8 x ?                   Raised head        superseded by 9763125

9763125                #8 x ?                   Oval head

 

Hope this helps

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 6:29 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146

 

Thanks Ron for the photo.  This shows the inside portion well.  What does the eyebrow look like?  Do you have to drill out the ?three rivets? on the eye brow or just the center one?

 

>From the cat forum pictures, it looks like you to drill out all three and then have a mess to fix and repaint the the eye brow.  Is this right?

 

 

Thanks 

 

Joel

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022, 02:37:57 PM EDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Richard

                That looks like a good article on the subject  - thanks for the link.

 

Joel

Here is a picture of my original screw type clip.

I use Low Strength Threadlock on the screw, just for a safety factor.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Richard Bruner via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 8:25 AM
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com <mailto:jmartiniii at yahoo.com> >
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146

 

https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/headlight-bezel-ring-modification.4224/


On Wed, August 17, 2022 5:26 am, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
> Thanks
> Has anyone done a write up on making the conversion that they would share?
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022, 06:31:07 PM EDT, twotigers at verizon.net <mailto:twotigers at verizon.net> 
> <twotigers at verizon.net <mailto:twotigers at verizon.net> > wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn???t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don???t ask???
>
> ? 
>
> Kirk
>
> ? 
>
>
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Joel Martin via
> Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
>
> ? 
>
> All - FYI
>
> ? 
>
> I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye
> brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.?  Rick at SS sells the screw
> on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works
> just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.?  Rick at SS does not sell
> the clip on version
>
> ? 
>
>
>
>
> Original? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> SS part EL52D screw on
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.
>
> ? 
>
> I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?
>
> ? 
>
> Joel Martin
>
> ? 
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 02:01:12 PM EDT,
> <tigers-request at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-request at autox.team.net> > wrote:
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to
>
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>
> ? 
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>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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>
> ? 
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>
> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> ?  1. EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joel Martin)
> ?  2. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (jimdamelio)
> ?  3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)
>
> Hello all!
>
> ? 
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ? 
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ? 
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ? 
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ? 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ? 
>
> Joel
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> Joel,
>
> ? 
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? 
> Part #? 560-325
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> ? 
>
> Hello all!
>
> ? 
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ? 
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ? 
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ? 
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ? 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ? 
>
> Joel
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when
> they were bought by Moss?
>
> ? 
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Joe Brown
>
> ? 
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers
> <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:
>
>
> Joel,
>
> ? 
>
> Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? 
> Part #? 560-325
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
>
> Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
>
> Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
>
> ? 
>
> Hello all!
>
> ? 
>
> Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
>
> ? 
>
> Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> clip, screws not included.
>
> ? 
>
> Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
>
> ? 
>
> I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> now in addition to much detailing.
>
> ? 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ? 
>
> Joel
>
> ? 
>
> ? 
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From stevenmurphy at comcast.net  Fri Aug 19 12:05:30 2022
From: stevenmurphy at comcast.net (STEVE MURPHY)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 14:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Hoods
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Seems to me that Jeff Howarth is fabricating and selling them via a distributor here in the US.
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>    1. Re: LAT Hoods (Daniel Eiland)
>    2. Re: LAT Hoods (Daniel Eiland)
>    3. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146 (Joel Martin)
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> There used to be a gentleman, I believe he owned an aeronautical company in California, who would go into his business at night and make fiberglass LAT hoods for Tigers and I heard he also produced Shelby hoods. He only worked by special order. He was very busy and very difficult to get in touch with. I bought a LAT hood from him around 1998-1999. Took months to get, but well worth the wait. I was in the process of having my Tiger painted when it arrived and when I dropped the new hood at the paint shop they had never seen anything made out of fiberglass that was so well made. Sold my Tiger many years ago but maybe some old-timer (oops, I mean experienced) members of this list might remember the man's name.
> 
> Dan Eiland 
> X Tiger owner 
> 
> 
> 
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> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 3:10 PM, Jay
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> In follow-up, I believe the person I purchased my LAT hood from was:
> 
> Kent Wilcox (Aerodyne Engineering)
> 1763 North Marshall Avenue
> El Cajon, CA 92040
> (619) 448-6700
> 
> Don't know if he's still around or if this information is still current. I vaguely recall I had to call him around 2AM to talk to him.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Dan Eiland 
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> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:27 PM, Daniel Eiland
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> > 
> >    There used to be a gentleman, I believe he owned an aeronautical company in California, who would go into his business at night and make fiberglass LAT hoods for Tigers and I heard he also produced Shelby hoods. He only worked by special order. He was very busy and very difficult to get in touch with. I bought a LAT hood from him around 1998-1999. Took months to get, but well worth the wait. I was in the process of having my Tiger painted when it arrived and when I dropped the new hood at the paint shop they had never seen anything made out of fiberglass that was so well made. Sold my Tiger many years ago but maybe some old-timer (oops, I mean experienced) members of this list might remember the man's name.
> > 
> >    Dan Eiland 
> >    X Tiger owner 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> Thanks Ron for the photo.  This shows the inside portion well.  What does the eyebrow look like?  Do you have to drill out the ?three rivets? on the eye brow or just the center one?
> 
> From the cat forum pictures, it looks like you to drill out all three and then have a mess to fix and repaint the the eye brow.  Is this right?
> 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Joel
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022, 02:37:57 PM EDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> That looks like a good article on the subject  - thanks for the link.
> 
> 
> 
> Joel
> 
> Here is a picture of my original screw type clip.
> 
> I use Low Strength Threadlock on the screw, just for a safety factor.
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Richard Bruner via Tigers
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 8:25 AM
> To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/headlight-bezel-ring-modification.4224/
> 
> 
> On Wed, August 17, 2022 5:26 am, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
> > Thanks
> > Has anyone done a write up on making the conversion that they would share?
> > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022, 06:31:07 PM EDT, twotigers at verizon.net
> > <twotigers at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wouldn???t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don???t ask???
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> > ? 
> >
> >
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via
> > Tigers
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > All - FYI
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye
> > brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.?  Rick at SS sells the screw
> > on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works
> > just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.?  Rick at SS does not sell
> > the clip on version
> >
> > ? 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Original? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> > SS part EL52D screw on
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> > Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel Martin
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 02:01:12 PM EDT,
> > <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > ? 
> >
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> > ?  1. EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joel Martin)
> > ?  2. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (jimdamelio)
> > ?  3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> > passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> > fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> > Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> > clip, screws not included.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> > procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> > rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> > Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> > the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> > Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> > now in addition to much detailing.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel,
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? 
> > Part #? 560-325
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Sent from my Galaxy
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> >
> >
> From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >
> > Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
> >
> > To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >
> > Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> > passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> > fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> > Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> > clip, screws not included.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> > procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> > rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> > Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> > the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> > Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> > now in addition to much detailing.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when
> > they were bought by Moss?
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Have Fun,
> >
> > Joe Brown
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers
> > <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Joel,
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? 
> > Part #? 560-325
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Sent from my Galaxy
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> >
> >
> From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >
> > Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
> >
> > To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >
> > Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> > passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?  It was ready to
> > fall off.?  So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> > Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> > clip, screws not included.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> > procedure, Rick has not.?  I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> > rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> > Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> > the proper procedure.?  My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> > Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> > now in addition to much detailing.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
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> >
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From wjtwgoodman at aol.com  Sat Aug 20 12:34:06 2022
From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 266
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Jeff will group sell some but shipping isn't cheap . But may do able for 15.? A local has made hood Daniel Messinger in Riverside.? But oversized shipping is still a problem. I'm sure he would entertain making a LAT hood.?

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 14:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: STEVE MURPHY <stevenmurphy at comcast.net>
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Seems to me that Jeff Howarth is fabricating and selling them via a distributor here in the US.
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>? ? 1. Re: LAT Hoods (Daniel Eiland)
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>? ? 3. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146 (Joel Martin)
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> There used to be a gentleman, I believe he owned an aeronautical company in California, who would go into his business at night and make fiberglass LAT hoods for Tigers and I heard he also produced Shelby hoods. He only worked by special order. He was very busy and very difficult to get in touch with. I bought a LAT hood from him around 1998-1999. Took months to get, but well worth the wait. I was in the process of having my Tiger painted when it arrived and when I dropped the new hood at the paint shop they had never seen anything made out of fiberglass that was so well made. Sold my Tiger many years ago but maybe some old-timer (oops, I mean experienced) members of this list might remember the man's name.
> 
> Dan Eiland 
> X Tiger owner 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 3:10 PM, Jay
> > <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> In follow-up, I believe the person I purchased my LAT hood from was:
> 
> Kent Wilcox (Aerodyne Engineering)
> 1763 North Marshall Avenue
> El Cajon, CA 92040
> (619) 448-6700
> 
> Don't know if he's still around or if this information is still current. I vaguely recall I had to call him around 2AM to talk to him.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Dan Eiland 
> 
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:27 PM, Daniel Eiland
> > <deiland1 at att.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >? ? There used to be a gentleman, I believe he owned an aeronautical company in California, who would go into his business at night and make fiberglass LAT hoods for Tigers and I heard he also produced Shelby hoods. He only worked by special order. He was very busy and very difficult to get in touch with. I bought a LAT hood from him around 1998-1999. Took months to get, but well worth the wait. I was in the process of having my Tiger painted when it arrived and when I dropped the new hood at the paint shop they had never seen anything made out of fiberglass that was so well made. Sold my Tiger many years ago but maybe some old-timer (oops, I mean experienced) members of this list might remember the man's name.
> > 
> >? ? Dan Eiland 
> >? ? X Tiger owner 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? ? Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> > 
> >? ? > >? ? On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 3:10 PM, Jay
> > >? ? <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > 
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> > 
> Thanks Ron for the photo.? This shows the inside portion well.? What does the eyebrow look like?? Do you have to drill out the ?three rivets? on the eye brow or just the center one?
> 
> From the cat forum pictures, it looks like you to drill out all three and then have a mess to fix and repaint the the eye brow.? Is this right?
> 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Joel
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022, 02:37:57 PM EDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> That looks like a good article on the subject? - thanks for the link.
> 
> 
> 
> Joel
> 
> Here is a picture of my original screw type clip.
> 
> I use Low Strength Threadlock on the screw, just for a safety factor.
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Richard Bruner via Tigers
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 8:25 AM
> To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/headlight-bezel-ring-modification.4224/
> 
> 
> On Wed, August 17, 2022 5:26 am, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
> > Thanks
> > Has anyone done a write up on making the conversion that they would share?
> > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022, 06:31:07 PM EDT, twotigers at verizon.net
> > <twotigers at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wouldn???t trust the clip on version over 100 mph- don???t ask???
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> > ? 
> >
> >
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via
> > Tigers
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:19 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 146
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > All - FYI
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I did not know there were two types of clips to hold on the headlight eye
> > brow - a screw on clip and a clip on version.?? Rick at SS sells the screw
> > on version EL52D and Moss Motors sells the clip on version which works
> > just fine 560-325 on the MK1A clip on version.?? Rick at SS does not sell
> > the clip on version
> >
> > ? 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Original? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> > SS part EL52D screw on
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> > Moss Clip on 560-325 - the black 'curved' piece is what breaks.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I wonder why the original 56 year old clip broke?
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel Martin
> >
> > ? 
> >
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> > ?? 2. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (jimdamelio)
> > ?? 3. Re: EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS (Joe Brown)
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> > passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?? It was ready to
> > fall off.?? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> > Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> > clip, screws not included.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> > procedure, Rick has not.?? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> > rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> > Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> > the proper procedure.?? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> > Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> > now in addition to much detailing.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel,
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? 
> > Part #? 560-325
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Sent from my Galaxy
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> > -------- Original message --------
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> >
> From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >
> > Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
> >
> > To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >
> > Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> > passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?? It was ready to
> > fall off.?? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> > Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> > clip, screws not included.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> > procedure, Rick has not.?? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> > rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> > Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> > the proper procedure.?? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> > Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> > now in addition to much detailing.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > What happened to all of the Sunbeam parts that Victoria British had when
> > they were bought by Moss?
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Have Fun,
> >
> > Joe Brown
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:58 PM jimdamelio via Tigers
> > <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Joel,
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Moss sells the snap on clips if you don't want to change to screw on.? 
> > Part #? 560-325
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > https://mossmotors.com/headlamp-clip
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Sent from my Galaxy
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> >
> >
> From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >
> > Date: 5/10/22 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
> >
> > To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >
> > Subject: [Tigers] EL52D Screw on Head light rim from SS
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Pulled up at a buddies garage and while we talking, I noticed the
> > passenger side headlight ring in the wrong position.?? It was ready to
> > fall off.?? So I removed it and the clip was broken and just fell out.? 
> > Dodged a bullet that this did not happen while driving.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Rick no longer carries the clip anymore and it is replaced with a screw on
> > clip, screws not included.
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > Has anyone installed these on their cars and has done a write up
> > procedure, Rick has not.?? I understand from Rick you drill out the 2
> > rivets, take out the old bracket and install the new clip with 2 # screws,
> > Phillips head but not ask the length so I bought 4- #6 phillips 1/2".
> >
> > ? 
> >
> > I really do not want to start drilling on the rivets till I really know
> > the proper procedure.?? My Tiger was accepted in the Sandhills Motoring
> > Festival concourse event in Pinehurst on May 29th so need to tackle this
> > now in addition to much detailing.
> >
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> >
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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 22 22:58:24 2022
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 04:58:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
References: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>

All,I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.
Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?Thanks in advance.CheersB
Brian Glenn
 P.O. Box 578
 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
 B9470208LRXFE GT
 B9471101LRXFE 
 B9472615LRXFE 
 B382000846LRXFE 
 B382001212LRXFE
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 23 08:47:55 2022
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:47:55 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
In-Reply-To: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SA1PR06MB8356516424D548C6A08C308FD8709@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were located.

Steve

________________________________
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

All,
I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.
Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.

Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
B

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE
B9472615LRXFE
B382000846LRXFE
B382001212LRXFE
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From jim at island.net  Tue Aug 23 12:03:36 2022
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 11:03:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR06MB8356516424D548C6A08C308FD8709@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>
 <SA1PR06MB8356516424D548C6A08C308FD8709@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <052301d8b71a$aa998490$ffcc8db0$@island.net>

I have this pic from Norm showing what he said is the first Tiger shipment
to long Beach Ca.  Don't have any other details other than that

 

Jim

B382000446LRXFE

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of steve wick via
Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 7:48 AM
To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>; Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

 

I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all
delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would
have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were
located.

 

Steve

 

  _____  

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers
<tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information 

 

All,

I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger?
listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.

In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located
on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."

While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had
never heard it quantified.

Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail
outlet distribution.

 

Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?

Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on
ports of entry and retail distribution?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers

B

 

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
B382001212LRXFE

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Aug 23 12:07:50 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR06MB8356516424D548C6A08C308FD8709@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>
 <SA1PR06MB8356516424D548C6A08C308FD8709@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <42143197.762492.1661278070405@connect.xfinity.com>

For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?).

The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$...
He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later (I think).
The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a convertible.

But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.  That is why you
see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west already
had a MK1  with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz).
Gary


>     On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were located.
> 
>     Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
>     To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
> 
>     All,
>     I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
>     In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
>     While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.
>     Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.
> 
>     Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
>     Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?
>     Thanks in advance.
>     Cheers
>     B
> 
>     Brian Glenn
>     P.O. Box 578
>     Julian, CA 92036-0578
>     714.345.9883
> 
>     B9470208LRXFE GT
>     B9471101LRXFE
>     B9472615LRXFE
>     B382000846LRXFE
>     B382001212LRXFE
>     _______________________________________________
> 
>     tigers at autox.team.net
> 
>     Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Aug 23 13:50:12 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:50:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
In-Reply-To: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001d8b729$8fcf4fa0$af6deee0$@bluefrog.com>

Brian

                Seems to me I saw something on that once ? if I can find it.

 

Tiger by Mike Taylor has a sales chart on pg. 201 but does not break it down to East or West coast sales.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Glenn via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 12:58 AM
To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

 

All,

I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.

In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."

While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.

Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.

 

Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?

Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers

B

 

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
B382001212LRXFE

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From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Aug 23 13:51:04 2022
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Center grille badge
Message-ID: <000001d8b729$aec38160$0c4a8420$@cox.net>

Hey, everyone:

 

I went to replace my tired-looking center grille badge on my Mk1A with a
repro badge, but the repro badge doesn't have the inset side like the
original to accept the stock retaining clips.  If I remove the clips, the
repro badge fits perfectly into the hole but there is no means of retaining
it there.

 

For those of you out there who have replaced these, how did you affix the
repro badge?  I can see no way to attach it by using the stock clips without
first modifying the sides of the badge to accept the clips.  Are we left
with just using something like a silicone gasket product to hold it in
place?

 

Thanks for any suggestions,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

B382001600LRXFE

TAC #740

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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Tue Aug 23 15:06:36 2022
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:06:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
In-Reply-To: <42143197.762492.1661278070405@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>
 <SA1PR06MB8356516424D548C6A08C308FD8709@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <42143197.762492.1661278070405@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <AC1D8522-E590-4417-B5ED-E74843909E24@ix.netcom.com>

Thanks for this very interesting commentary.

I?ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country took place.  My Mk1a is
An Oklahoma car for example.

Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60?s. I don?t know if there
Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the Atlanta newspaper?s classified
ads for ?British cars.? 

That?s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.

I recall reading about MkII?s but seeing just one. I?ve come to appreciate MkII styling
But back in the day the absence of side ?stripe? left me skeptical.

Allan Ballard
-Atlanta

> On Aug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?). 
> 
> The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$... 
> He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later (I think). 
> The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a convertible. 
> 
> But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.  That is why you 
> see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west already 
> had a MK1  with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz). 
> Gary 
> 
>> On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were located.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
>> To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>> 
>> All,
>> I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
>> In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
>> While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.
>> Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.
>> 
>> Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
>> Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Cheers
>> B
>> 
>> Brian Glenn 
>> P.O. Box 578 
>> Julian, CA 92036-0578 
>> 714.345.9883 
>> 
>> B9470208LRXFE GT 
>> B9471101LRXFE 
>> B9472615LRXFE 
>> B382000846LRXFE 
>> B382001212LRXFE
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From coolvt at aol.com  Tue Aug 23 17:01:34 2022
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:01:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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I thought Tigers were sent to the dealers who ordered them.? For instance, in little old Vermont there were very few dealers who sold foreign cars.? Yankees wanted US steel.? But, I believe there were at least 2 Sunbeam dealers.? The larger one was in a city of 35,000 people. The 2nd was in a town of about 2,000.? Needless to say these places sold very few Sunbeams.? But, I know that the larger dealer did sell? a few. If these dealers weren't ordering Tigers, they wouldn't be shipping them to Vermont (or any other location that didn't have buyers).? Apparently Calif. had buyers.
In a message dated 8/23/2022 4:34:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad at comcast.net writes:?
For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?). ?The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$... He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later (I think). The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a convertible. ?But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.? That is why you see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west already had a MK1? with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz). Gary ?
On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:??I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were located.?Steve???From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information?All,I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.?Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?Thanks in advance.CheersB?Brian Glenn 
P.O. Box 578 
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714.345.9883 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Aug 23 17:38:47 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 19:38:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Center grille badge
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Andy

                I'm not familiar enough with the clips that hold the badge
to know your best option.

 

These days most badges are held on by double back foam tape.  I have used
foam tape to attach badges on newer cars, works well.

 

You need to decide your best option - modify so the clips work or use foam
tape.

 

I believe RTV is too messy and not reliable enough.   You need to completely
cover the surfaces, that way RTV creates a vacuum on the badge after hold
the badge firmly in place until the silicone volcanizes.   The problem I see
with this is vibration will loosen the silicon eventually and we have plenty
of vibrations.  

 

The foam tape has some compliance to vibration.   You just need to get both
surfaces clean for the tape to stick well.

 

As with all the badges and emblems on the Sunbeam, you need to check them.
I nearly lost the 2 rear fender badges because the stud started to give way.
Had to solder the studs back in place and I added a little foam tape to help
keep them on the fender.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Andy Walker
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 3:51 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Center grille badge

 

Hey, everyone:

 

I went to replace my tired-looking center grille badge on my Mk1A with a
repro badge, but the repro badge doesn't have the inset side like the
original to accept the stock retaining clips.  If I remove the clips, the
repro badge fits perfectly into the hole but there is no means of retaining
it there.

 

For those of you out there who have replaced these, how did you affix the
repro badge?  I can see no way to attach it by using the stock clips without
first modifying the sides of the badge to accept the clips.  Are we left
with just using something like a silicone gasket product to hold it in
place?

 

Thanks for any suggestions,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

B382001600LRXFE

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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 23 18:55:56 2022
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 00:55:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Center grille badge
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 Don't cut the badge, the cuts will show up from the front. If you glue/silicon it on, be careful what you use, some adhesives will mess up the badge paint. I would try a thin double-sided tape.
David

    On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 03:34:43 PM PDT, Andy Walker <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:  
 
 
Hey, everyone:

 ?

I went to replace my tired-looking center grille badge on my Mk1A with a repro badge, but the repro badge doesn?t have the inset side like the original to accept the stock retaining clips.? If I remove the clips, the repro badge fits perfectly into the hole but there is no means of retaining it there.

 ?

For those of you out there who have replaced these, how did you affix the repro badge?? I can see no way to attach it by using the stock clips without first modifying the sides of the badge to accept the clips.? Are we left with just using something like a silicone gasket product to hold it in place?

 ?

Thanks for any suggestions,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

B382001600LRXFE

TAC #740
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Aug 23 19:31:32 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:31:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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Allan

 

According to TBON there were 2 Hillman and Sunbeam dealers a Service Dealer and a Singer dealer in Atlanta

Import Motors Ltd

Lander Auto Parts Inc.

Buckhead Foreign Car Center Inc. ? Service Dealer

Southeastern Sports Car Center Inc. ? Singer Dealer

 

West coast executive offices

LA and San Francisco

 

East coast offices

Long Island City and New York City

 

 

I believe most of the MK IIs had to be shipped to Canada for some technicality. (?)

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 5:07 PM
To: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>; Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

 

Thanks for this very interesting commentary.

 

I?ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country took place.  My Mk1a is

An Oklahoma car for example.

 

Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60?s. I don?t know if there

Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the Atlanta newspaper?s classified

ads for ?British cars.? 

 

That?s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.

 

I recall reading about MkII?s but seeing just one. I?ve come to appreciate MkII styling

But back in the day the absence of side ?stripe? left me skeptical.

 

Allan Ballard

-Atlanta





On Aug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > wrote:

 

For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?). 

 

The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$... 

He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later (I think). 

The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a convertible. 

 

But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.  That is why you 

see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west already 

had a MK1  with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz). 

Gary 

 

On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were located. 

 

Steve 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information 

 

All, 

I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine. 

In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide." 

While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified. 

Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution. 

 

Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained? 

Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution? 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers 

B 

 

Brian Glenn 
P.O. Box 578 
Julian, CA 92036-0578 
714.345.9883 

B9470208LRXFE GT 
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
B382001212LRXFE 

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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 19:34:15 2022
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:34:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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For Allan:  TBON lists 4 dealers in Atlanta, three of which allegedly
carried Sunbeam products.

In the list of dealers for Massachusetts, there is also a "Boston
Warehouse" mentioned.  The address is on a pier at the waterfront, what
today is the Black Falcon cruise terminal.  So it appears that Boston was
also a POE for Rootes products.  Odd, since I don't see any other mention
of a warehouse in other likely ports, NY, Baltimore, Savannah, Long Beach,
San Francisco, etc.

Also odd, there are three pages of dealer listings for California, but
almost 5 pages of dealer listings for the NY/NJ area.  Yet according to the
cited statistic, most of the Tigers went west.

Stu

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 8:41 PM Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for this very interesting commentary.
>
> I?ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country took
> place.  My Mk1a is
> An Oklahoma car for example.
>
> Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60?s. I
> don?t know if there
> Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the
> Atlanta newspaper?s classified
> ads for ?British cars.?
>
> That?s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.
>
> I recall reading about MkII?s but seeing just one. I?ve come to appreciate
> MkII styling
> But back in the day the absence of side ?stripe? left me skeptical.
>
> Allan Ballard
> -Atlanta
>
> On Aug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?).
>
> The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$...
> He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later
> (I think).
> The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a
> convertible.
>
> But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.  That is why
> you
> see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west
> already
> had a MK1  with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz).
> Gary
>
> On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all
> delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they
> would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the
> network were located.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn
> via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
> *To:* Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>
> All,
> I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article *What is a Sunbeam Tiger?*
> listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
> In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were
> located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
> While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had
> never heard it quantified.
> Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail
> outlet distribution.
>
> Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
> Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on
> ports of entry and retail distribution?
> Thanks in advance.
> Cheers
> B
>
> Brian Glenn
> P.O. Box 578
> Julian, CA 92036-0578
> 714.345.9883
>
> B9470208LRXFE GT
> B9471101LRXFE
> B9472615LRXFE
> B382000846LRXFE
> B382001212LRXFE
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From chris at cthompson.net  Tue Aug 23 19:39:30 2022
From: chris at cthompson.net (chris cthompson.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 01:39:30 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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I live in very rural SWVA and know of only one other Sunbeam within a hundred fifty miles or so.  But back in the day, there was a Sunbeam dealer in Roanoke, VA, only about 40 miles from me. A feller sold old British cars out of the place up until about 25 years ago, when it still sported it?s Sunbeam logo on the building?.

B382000331

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 5:07 PM
To: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>; Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

Thanks for this very interesting commentary.

I?ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country took place.  My Mk1a is
An Oklahoma car for example.

Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60?s. I don?t know if there
Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the Atlanta newspaper?s classified
ads for ?British cars.?

That?s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.

I recall reading about MkII?s but seeing just one. I?ve come to appreciate MkII styling
But back in the day the absence of side ?stripe? left me skeptical.

Allan Ballard
-Atlanta
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Aug 23 20:05:32 2022
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 19:05:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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I've seen that picture too. Given I have? XXXX0101 I wondered if my car 
was in that picture. I believe I saw it on Norm's Rootes1 website. I 
went there (Rootes1.com) this morning and I couldn't get in. Still can't 
get in this evening. This is what I get, "www.classictiger.com refused 
to connect." Makes me realize how old most of the Tiger sites are..., 
and how old we are all getting.

On 8/23/2022 11:03 AM, jim via Tigers wrote:
>
> I have this pic from Norm showing what he said is the first Tiger 
> shipment to long Beach Ca.? Don?t have any other details other than that
>
> Jim
>
> B382000446LRXFE
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *steve 
> wick via Tigers
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2022 7:48 AM
> *To:* Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>; Brian Glenn 
> <ora_archy at yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>
> I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all 
> delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they 
> would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the 
> network were located.
>
> Steve
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn 
> via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
> *To:* Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>
> All,
>
> I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article /What is a Sunbeam 
> Tiger?/ listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
>
> In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were 
> located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
>
> While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I 
> had never heard it quantified.
>
> Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail 
> outlet distribution.
>
> Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
>
> Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation 
> on ports of entry and retail distribution?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheers
>
> B
>
> Brian Glenn
> P.O. Box 578
> Julian, CA 92036-0578
> 714.345.9883
>
> B9470208LRXFE GT
> B9471101LRXFE
> B9472615LRXFE
> B382000846LRXFE
> B382001212LRXFE
>
>
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From deiland1 at att.net  Tue Aug 23 20:53:02 2022
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 02:53:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw:  Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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With the talk about Tigers and Ports of Entry, I was wondering if anyone has ever put together a list of the Sunbeam car dealer network?
I know that some cars I've owned you could trace which dealer originally sold the car through the original paperwork. Without the original paperwork I'm not sure how you would know.
Was there ever a list of dealers?
I know in 1966-1967 my father bought a brand new Sunbeam Alpine GT. Car came with a hardtop but there was no soft top. The dealer had their own Alpine they used for racing and I can remember trying to talk my dad into buying a Sunbeam Tiger which the dealer had in stock.
The dealer was close to the military bases which was probably where most of their buyers were from.
I don't recall the name of the dealership, but I remember they were on Dyer Street in El Paso, Texas.?
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   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Brian Glenn via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> To: "Tigers Den" <tigers at autox.team.net> Cc:  Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information  All,I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.
Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?Thanks in advance.CheersB
Brian Glenn
 P.O. Box 578
 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
 B9470208LRXFE GT
 B9471101LRXFE 
 B9472615LRXFE 
 B382000846LRXFE 
 B382001212LRXFE_______________________________________________

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From deiland1 at att.net  Tue Aug 23 22:07:48 2022
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:07:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Dealer Network List
References: <1252683870.37817.1661314068527.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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With the talk about Tigers and Ports of Entry, I make me wonder if anyone has ever put together (or found)? a list of the Sunbeam car dealer network?
I know that some cars I've owned you could trace which dealer originally sold the car through the original paperwork. Without the original paperwork I'm not sure how you would know.
Was there ever a list of dealers?
I know in 1966-1967 my father bought a brand new Sunbeam Alpine GT. The car came with a hardtop but there was no soft top. The dealer had their own Alpine they used for racing and I can remember trying to talk my dad into buying a Sunbeam Tiger which the dealer had in stock.
The dealer was close to the military bases which was probably where most of their buyers were from.
I don't recall the name of the dealership, but I remember they were on Dyer Street in El Paso, Texas.?
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From cburruss at wowway.com  Tue Aug 23 22:57:13 2022
From: cburruss at wowway.com (Jim Burruss)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:57:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
Message-ID: <4a4c7fe9-a7d8-0332-a842-d72c4a219012@wowway.com>

My 1965 Tiger was purchased new from Nick Graffeo Motors in Birmingham, 
AL, by a Huntsville, AL, resident on August 4, 1965. Presumably, 
Huntsville did not have a Sunbeam dealer at that time.? When I purchased 
the Tiger from that original owner in 1968, Chrysler had purchased a 
majority stake in Rootes, and Sunbeams were serviced locally by 
Huntsville Dodge.? I still own that Tiger.

I recall a document that said my Tiger's port of entry was in Texas, but 
I can't find that document now (which aggravates me since I'm a pack rat 
and save everything in my Tiger folder); so I can't back up that 
recollection.

Jim Burruss


From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 00:30:09 2022
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:30:09 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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References: <1885833594.92562.1661230704911.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1885833594.92562.1661230704911@mail.yahoo.com>
 <SA1PR06MB8356516424D548C6A08C308FD8709@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Tom,

Norms site has been down since he had his stroke, I dont think anyone else
was maintaining it so it's been offline for the best part of 2 years now. I
know some people have had some contact with Norm, but assume he is still
recovering to some extent, hope he will be back to full engagement soon,





On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 at 14:19, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I've seen that picture too. Given I have  XXXX0101 I wondered if my car
> was in that picture. I believe I saw it on Norm's Rootes1 website. I went
> there (Rootes1.com) this morning and I couldn't get in. Still can't get in
> this evening. This is what I get, "www.classictiger.com refused to
> connect." Makes me realize how old most of the Tiger sites are..., and how
> old we are all getting.
> On 8/23/2022 11:03 AM, jim via Tigers wrote:
>
> I have this pic from Norm showing what he said is the first Tiger shipment
> to long Beach Ca.  Don?t have any other details other than that
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> B382000446LRXFE
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>
> <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *steve wick via Tigers
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2022 7:48 AM
> *To:* Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net>; Brian
> Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com> <ora_archy at yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>
>
>
> I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all
> delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they
> would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the
> network were located.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn
> via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
> *To:* Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>
>
>
> All,
>
> I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article *What is a Sunbeam Tiger?*
> listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
>
> In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were
> located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
>
> While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had
> never heard it quantified.
>
> Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail
> outlet distribution.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
>
> Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on
> ports of entry and retail distribution?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheers
>
> B
>
>
>
> Brian Glenn
> P.O. Box 578
> Julian, CA 92036-0578
> 714.345.9883
>
> B9470208LRXFE GT
> B9471101LRXFE
> B9472615LRXFE
> B382000846LRXFE
> B382001212LRXFE
>
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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 24 03:09:26 2022
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 09:09:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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References: <4a4c7fe9-a7d8-0332-a842-d72c4a219012@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <2130714112.698747.1661332166900@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Jim,Based on the dealership data (see previous attachment), Huntsville had a Rootes dealer, Imported and Domestic Car Service at 201 8th Str. NW.We have documentation of Tigers coming into the Houston area, which has to be Galveston port, so that matches your data.I hope you find the paperwork.Another piece to the puzzle.CheersB
Brian Glenn
 P.O. Box 578
 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
 B9470208LRXFE GT
 B9471101LRXFE 
 B9472615LRXFE 
 B382000846LRXFE 
 B382001212LRXFE 

    On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:39:51 AM PDT, Jim Burruss via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 My 1965 Tiger was purchased new from Nick Graffeo Motors in Birmingham, 
AL, by a Huntsville, AL, resident on August 4, 1965. Presumably, 
Huntsville did not have a Sunbeam dealer at that time.? When I purchased 
the Tiger from that original owner in 1968, Chrysler had purchased a 
majority stake in Rootes, and Sunbeams were serviced locally by 
Huntsville Dodge.? I still own that Tiger.

I recall a document that said my Tiger's port of entry was in Texas, but 
I can't find that document now (which aggravates me since I'm a pack rat 
and save everything in my Tiger folder); so I can't back up that 
recollection.

Jim Burruss

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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Wed Aug 24 07:28:47 2022
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Al)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 09:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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There were two Sunbeam dealers in Rhode Island. Picard motors in North Smithfield, and another in Newport whose name I don?t recall. 
Both long gone. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 9:22 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Allan
>  
> According to TBON there were 2 Hillman and Sunbeam dealers a Service Dealer and a Singer dealer in Atlanta
> Import Motors Ltd
> Lander Auto Parts Inc.
> Buckhead Foreign Car Center Inc. ? Service Dealer
> Southeastern Sports Car Center Inc. ? Singer Dealer
>  
> West coast executive offices
> LA and San Francisco
>  
> East coast offices
> Long Island City and New York City
>  
>  
> I believe most of the MK IIs had to be shipped to Canada for some technicality. (?)
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 5:07 PM
> To: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>; Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>  
> Thanks for this very interesting commentary.
>  
> I?ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country took place.  My Mk1a is
> An Oklahoma car for example.
>  
> Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60?s. I don?t know if there
> Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the Atlanta newspaper?s classified
> ads for ?British cars.? 
>  
> That?s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.
>  
> I recall reading about MkII?s but seeing just one. I?ve come to appreciate MkII styling
> But back in the day the absence of side ?stripe? left me skeptical.
>  
> Allan Ballard
> -Atlanta
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
>  
> For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?).
>  
> The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$...
> He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later (I think).
> The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a convertible.
>  
> But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.  That is why you
> see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west already
> had a MK1  with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz).
> Gary
>  
> On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were located.
>  
> Steve
>  
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
> To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>  
> All,
> I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
> In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
> While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.
> Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.
>  
> Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
> Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?
> Thanks in advance.
> Cheers
> B
>  
> Brian Glenn 
> P.O. Box 578 
> Julian, CA 92036-0578 
> 714.345.9883 
> 
> B9470208LRXFE GT 
> B9471101LRXFE 
> B9472615LRXFE 
> B382000846LRXFE 
> B382001212LRXFE
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From wjtwgoodman at aol.com  Wed Aug 24 08:33:59 2022
From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:33:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 275
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I have had a couple of British Motors license plate frames.Oceanside and Escondido.?Both target marketed the Military in Northern San Diego county.? Yeah they got picked off original Alpines but maybe the pay grade sold a few officers.? Long Beach was a big Navy town .?

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To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>,? Jim Burruss
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Thanks Jim,Based on the dealership data (see previous attachment), Huntsville had a Rootes dealer, Imported and Domestic Car Service at 201 8th Str. NW.We have documentation of Tigers coming into the Houston area, which has to be Galveston port, so that matches your data.I hope you find the paperwork.Another piece to the puzzle.CheersB
Brian Glenn
 P.O. Box 578
 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
 B9470208LRXFE GT
 B9471101LRXFE 
 B9472615LRXFE 
 B382000846LRXFE 
 B382001212LRXFE 

? ? On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:39:51 AM PDT, Jim Burruss via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:? 
 
 My 1965 Tiger was purchased new from Nick Graffeo Motors in Birmingham, 
AL, by a Huntsville, AL, resident on August 4, 1965. Presumably, 
Huntsville did not have a Sunbeam dealer at that time.? When I purchased 
the Tiger from that original owner in 1968, Chrysler had purchased a 
majority stake in Rootes, and Sunbeams were serviced locally by 
Huntsville Dodge.? I still own that Tiger.

I recall a document that said my Tiger's port of entry was in Texas, but 
I can't find that document now (which aggravates me since I'm a pack rat 
and save everything in my Tiger folder); so I can't back up that 
recollection.

Jim Burruss

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From: Al <twojohnsons at cox.net>
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>, GARY WINBLAD
??? <garywinblad at comcast.net>, Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
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There were two Sunbeam dealers in Rhode Island. Picard motors in North Smithfield, and another in Newport whose name I don?t recall. 
Both long gone. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 9:22 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Allan
>? 
> According to TBON there were 2 Hillman and Sunbeam dealers a Service Dealer and a Singer dealer in Atlanta
> Import Motors Ltd
> Lander Auto Parts Inc.
> Buckhead Foreign Car Center Inc. ? Service Dealer
> Southeastern Sports Car Center Inc. ? Singer Dealer
>? 
> West coast executive offices
> LA and San Francisco
>? 
> East coast offices
> Long Island City and New York City
>? 
>? 
> I believe most of the MK IIs had to be shipped to Canada for some technicality. (?)
>? 
> Ron Fraser
>? 
>? 
>? 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 5:07 PM
> To: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>; Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>? 
> Thanks for this very interesting commentary.
>? 
> I?ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country took place.? My Mk1a is
> An Oklahoma car for example.
>? 
> Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60?s. I don?t know if there
> Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the Atlanta newspaper?s classified
> ads for ?British cars.? 
>? 
> That?s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.
>? 
> I recall reading about MkII?s but seeing just one. I?ve come to appreciate MkII styling
> But back in the day the absence of side ?stripe? left me skeptical.
>? 
> Allan Ballard
> -Atlanta
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
>? 
> For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?).
>? 
> The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$...
> He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later (I think).
> The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a convertible.
>? 
> But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.? That is why you
> see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west already
> had a MK1? with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz).
> Gary
>? 
> On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>? 
>? 
> I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were located.
>? 
> Steve
>? 
>? 
>? 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
> To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>? 
> All,
> I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
> In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
> While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.
> Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.
>? 
> Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
> Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?
> Thanks in advance.
> Cheers
> B
>? 
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> 714.345.9883 
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From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:50:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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 Some original Tiger sales literature have the dealer info stamped on them, so these could ID dealers.
David

    On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:09:45 AM PDT, Daniel Eiland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 With the talk about Tigers and Ports of Entry, I was wondering if anyone has ever put together a list of the Sunbeam car dealer network?
I know that some cars I've owned you could trace which dealer originally sold the car through the original paperwork. Without the original paperwork I'm not sure how you would know.
Was there ever a list of dealers?
I know in 1966-1967 my father bought a brand new Sunbeam Alpine GT. Car came with a hardtop but there was no soft top. The dealer had their own Alpine they used for racing and I can remember trying to talk my dad into buying a Sunbeam Tiger which the dealer had in stock.
The dealer was close to the military bases which was probably where most of their buyers were from.
I don't recall the name of the dealership, but I remember they were on Dyer Street in El Paso, Texas.?
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   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Brian Glenn via Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> To: "Tigers Den" <tigers at autox.team.net> Cc:  Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information  All,I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.
Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?Thanks in advance.CheersB
Brian Glenn
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug 24 08:53:24 2022
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 10:53:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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I bought my Tiger from Diehl Motors -Waynesboro/Staunton VA in 1967.  Diehl
Motors was a Chrysler dealer.  My car was one of two cars that they had on
the lot.  The title for my 1A read 1966/67.  Back then it was customary for
a dealer to give foreign cars the benefit of the doubt as to whether they
were the current or the next-year model.  Obviously the dealer didn't know
that the 1967 tiger, the MKII, represented a significant model change.
I'm pretty sure that POE for my car was Baltimore, and judging from the
odometer reading on my (new) Tiger, it looks like it was driven
from Baltimore to the dealership.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 9:34 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:

> For Allan:  TBON lists 4 dealers in Atlanta, three of which allegedly
> carried Sunbeam products.
>
> In the list of dealers for Massachusetts, there is also a "Boston
> Warehouse" mentioned.  The address is on a pier at the waterfront, what
> today is the Black Falcon cruise terminal.  So it appears that Boston was
> also a POE for Rootes products.  Odd, since I don't see any other mention
> of a warehouse in other likely ports, NY, Baltimore, Savannah, Long Beach,
> San Francisco, etc.
>
> Also odd, there are three pages of dealer listings for California, but
> almost 5 pages of dealer listings for the NY/NJ area.  Yet according to the
> cited statistic, most of the Tigers went west.
>
> Stu
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 8:41 PM Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this very interesting commentary.
>>
>> I?ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country took
>> place.  My Mk1a is
>> An Oklahoma car for example.
>>
>> Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60?s.
>> I don?t know if there
>> Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the
>> Atlanta newspaper?s classified
>> ads for ?British cars.?
>>
>> That?s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.
>>
>> I recall reading about MkII?s but seeing just one. I?ve come to
>> appreciate MkII styling
>> But back in the day the absence of side ?stripe? left me skeptical.
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> -Atlanta
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?).
>>
>> The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$...
>> He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later
>> (I think).
>> The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a
>> convertible.
>>
>> But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.  That is why
>> you
>> see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west
>> already
>> had a MK1  with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz).
>> Gary
>>
>> On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all
>> delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they
>> would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the
>> network were located.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn
>> via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
>> *To:* Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>>
>> All,
>> I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article *What is a Sunbeam Tiger?*
>> listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
>> In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were
>> located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."
>>
>> While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had
>> never heard it quantified.
>> Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail
>> outlet distribution.
>>
>> Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
>> Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on
>> ports of entry and retail distribution?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Cheers
>> B
>>
>> Brian Glenn
>> P.O. Box 578
>> Julian, CA 92036-0578
>> 714.345.9883
>>
>> B9470208LRXFE GT
>> B9471101LRXFE
>> B9472615LRXFE
>> B382000846LRXFE
>> B382001212LRXFE
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From: twotigers at verizon.net (twotigers at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:20:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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Don?t know if this will attach to the list, but here?s the dealer list for 1966. 

 

Kirk

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Will Seay via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 7:53 AM
To: Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

 

I bought my Tiger from Diehl Motors -Waynesboro/Staunton VA in 1967.  Diehl Motors was a Chrysler dealer.  My car was one of two cars that they had on the lot.  The title for my 1A read 1966/67.  Back then it was customary for a dealer to give foreign cars the benefit of the doubt as to whether they were the current or the next-year model.  Obviously the dealer didn't know that the 1967 tiger, the MKII, represented a significant model change.

I'm pretty sure that POE for my car was Baltimore, and judging from the odometer reading on my (new) Tiger, it looks like it was driven from Baltimore to the dealership.

 

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 9:34 PM Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com <mailto:sabre2tgr at gmail.com> > wrote:

For Allan:  TBON lists 4 dealers in Atlanta, three of which allegedly carried Sunbeam products.

 

In the list of dealers for Massachusetts, there is also a "Boston Warehouse" mentioned.  The address is on a pier at the waterfront, what today is the Black Falcon cruise terminal.  So it appears that Boston was also a POE for Rootes products.  Odd, since I don't see any other mention of a warehouse in other likely ports, NY, Baltimore, Savannah, Long Beach, San Francisco, etc.

 

Also odd, there are three pages of dealer listings for California, but almost 5 pages of dealer listings for the NY/NJ area.  Yet according to the cited statistic, most of the Tigers went west.  

 

Stu

 

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 8:41 PM Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> > wrote:

Thanks for this very interesting commentary.

 

I?ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country took place.  My Mk1a is

An Oklahoma car for example.

 

Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60?s. I don?t know if there

Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the Atlanta newspaper?s classified

ads for ?British cars.? 

 

That?s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.

 

I recall reading about MkII?s but seeing just one. I?ve come to appreciate MkII styling

But back in the day the absence of side ?stripe? left me skeptical.

 

Allan Ballard

-Atlanta





On Aug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > wrote:

 

For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?). 

 

The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$... 

He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later (I think). 

The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a convertible. 

 

But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.  That is why you 

see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west already 

had a MK1  with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz). 

Gary 

 

On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network were located. 

 

Steve 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information 

 

All, 

I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine. 

In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide." 

While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified. 

Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution. 

 

Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained? 

Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution? 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers 

B 

 

Brian Glenn 
P.O. Box 578 
Julian, CA 92036-0578 
714.345.9883 

B9470208LRXFE GT 
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
B382001212LRXFE 

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From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Aug 24 14:49:07 2022
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:49:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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Hey, everyone:

 

This is an interesting discussion thread.  The question was asked earlier in the thread by, I believe, Dan Eiland, if there had ever been a list of Rootes dealers available.  I happen to have in my possession just such an animal;  it is the ?United States Dealer List? for ?Sunbeam?A Rootes Product.?  It is a list of all the U.S.-based Rootes dealers in 1965, the year that the list was printed.  It says on the back cover, ?For Further Information, Contact British American Imports, Inc., 24-16 Bridge Plaza South, Long Island City, New York, 11101.?

 

If I remember correctly (and this was at least 35 years ago), an old friend of mine at the time (as well as a Tiger owner) gave me this publication.  He had several of them due to the fact that his brother-in-law was the Sunbeam dealer in the Oklahoma City, OK, area (Vern Collins of Vern Collins Motor Co., U.S. 66 at North Redmond, Bethany, OK) and my friend had purchased his Tiger from him.  

 

I have taken a look at this publication and have tried to find some of the dealerships that the participants in this thread have mentioned, but have only been able to find one (Nick Graffeo Motors, 1809 3rd Ave., Birmingham, AL).  Since this list was published/printed sometime in 1965, this leads me to believe that the dealer network for Rootes cars in the U.S. may have been a bit transitory in nature.  Since Rootes dealers would have still been around for several years after this brochure was printed, it is reasonable to assume that there were more dealers added and/or some dealers dropped out of the network.  

 

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

B382001600LRXFE

TAC #740

 

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 9:50 AM
To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>; Daniel Eiland <deiland1 at att.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

 

Some original Tiger sales literature have the dealer info stamped on them, so these could ID dealers.

 

David

 

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:09:45 AM PDT, Daniel Eiland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

With the talk about Tigers and Ports of Entry, I was wondering if anyone has ever put together a list of the Sunbeam car dealer network?

 

I know that some cars I've owned you could trace which dealer originally sold the car through the original paperwork. Without the original paperwork I'm not sure how you would know.

 

Was there ever a list of dealers?

 

I know in 1966-1967 my father bought a brand new Sunbeam Alpine GT. Car came with a hardtop but there was no soft top. The dealer had their own Alpine they used for racing and I can remember trying to talk my dad into buying a Sunbeam Tiger which the dealer had in stock.

 

The dealer was close to the military bases which was probably where most of their buyers were from.

 

I don't recall the name of the dealership, but I remember they were on Dyer Street in El Paso, Texas. 

 

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Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

All,

I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.

In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide."

While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had never heard it quantified.

Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet distribution.

 

Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?

Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry and retail distribution?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers

B

 

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
B382001212LRXFE

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From bob at hermitagewood.com  Wed Aug 24 15:26:05 2022
From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob hermitagewood.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:26:05 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
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Very neat, I'm keeping a copy of this for sure!     Interestingly, the dealer for my car is not on the list.     My owner's manual has everything methodically typed into it, and lists the selling dealer as Little Simca Center in Longview, TX.      I also have a shipping invoice that lists the port of entry as Houston, TX, and the ship as the S. S. Silver Sea.   That document is the one that was recently emailed with the CAT newsletter.   I googled "Little Simca Center", but have only found a couple of newpaper archives with ads.

--Bob Burruss
382000782

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:20:41 -0700
From: <twotigers at verizon.net>
To: "'Will Seay'" <Tigers at embarqmail.com>,      "'Stu'"
        <sabre2tgr at gmail.com>
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        Information
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Don?t know if this will attach to the list, but here?s the dealer list for 1966.



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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Aug 25 08:23:57 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 10:23:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Group info
Message-ID: <000201d8b88e$5155bd70$f4013850$@bluefrog.com>

I found this web site the other day - lots of interesting information.

 

 <http://rootesandrelated.com/> Home - Rootes and related

 

I have not explored it's full content but I did find a 1957 - 1966 ICI paint
booklet and a very interesting booklet about their production facilities.

 <http://rootesandrelated.com/index.php/category/company-publications/>
Company publications Archives - Rootes and related

Go to the bottom of the page - there is a 2 part booklet with lots of
pictures.

 

Ron Fraser

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Aug 25 10:03:30 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 12:03:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Group info
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Good site with good info.
I especially like to see the reprint of the Road and Track test of the MK1 Tiger.
A good reminder of what the original paint looked  like so if you want a concours correct paint job just duplicate this:


>     On 08/25/2022 10:23 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     I found this web site the other day ? lots of interesting information.
> 
> 
>     Home - Rootes and related http://rootesandrelated.com/
> 
> 
>     I have not explored it?s full content but I did find a 1957 ? 1966 ICI paint booklet and a very interesting booklet about their production facilities.
> 
>     Company publications Archives - Rootes and related http://rootesandrelated.com/index.php/category/company-publications/
> 
>     Go to the bottom of the page ? there is a 2 part booklet with lots of pictures.
> 
> 
>     Ron Fraser
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 18:18:44 2022
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 19:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Group info
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I have a copy of that road and track issue and I wanted a poster size
reprint of the page showing the data and cutaway drawing. I sent an email
to the magazine asking if they could provide a copy of that page or give me
permission to copy and print it myself. I never heard back so I assumed
that was permission to do what I wanted.

I made a copy at 600dpi and sent the file to an online place that makes
poster size prints. I got a really nice 2'x3' poster that I display at car
shows.

Have fun,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 11:29 AM GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

> Good site with good info.
> I especially like to see the reprint of the Road and Track test of the MK1
> Tiger.
> A good reminder of what the original paint looked  like so if you want a
> concours correct paint job just duplicate this:
>
> On 08/25/2022 10:23 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> I found this web site the other day ? lots of interesting information.
>
>
> Home - Rootes and related <http://rootesandrelated.com/>
>
>
> I have not explored it?s full content but I did find a 1957 ? 1966 ICI
> paint booklet and a very interesting booklet about their production
> facilities.
>
> Company publications Archives - Rootes and related
> <http://rootesandrelated.com/index.php/category/company-publications/>
>
> Go to the bottom of the page ? there is a 2 part booklet with lots of
> pictures.
>
>
> Ron Fraser
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From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Aug 25 21:40:57 2022
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 22:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Center grille badge
In-Reply-To: <225870002.1170397.1661302556209@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000001d8b729$aec38160$0c4a8420$@cox.net>
 <225870002.1170397.1661302556209@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001d8b8fd$a80e3650$f82aa2f0$@cox.net>

Hey, guys:

 

Thanks a million for the suggestion regarding my center grille badge.  I used some clear double-sided foam Gorilla tape.  I?ll bet it?ll stay in place with that stuff!!!!

 

Andy Walker

 

From: D or G at sbc [mailto:orr4sale at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 7:56 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Andy Walker <awtiger at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Center grille badge

 

Don't cut the badge, the cuts will show up from the front. If you glue/silicon it on, be careful what you use, some adhesives will mess up the badge paint. I would try a thin double-sided tape.

 

David

 

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 03:34:43 PM PDT, Andy Walker <awtiger at cox.net <mailto:awtiger at cox.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey, everyone:

 

I went to replace my tired-looking center grille badge on my Mk1A with a repro badge, but the repro badge doesn?t have the inset side like the original to accept the stock retaining clips.  If I remove the clips, the repro badge fits perfectly into the hole but there is no means of retaining it there.

 

For those of you out there who have replaced these, how did you affix the repro badge?  I can see no way to attach it by using the stock clips without first modifying the sides of the badge to accept the clips.  Are we left with just using something like a silicone gasket product to hold it in place?

 

Thanks for any suggestions,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

B382001600LRXFE

TAC #740

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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 26 01:36:29 2022
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:36:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Group info
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfndfhiawR7Kb5vvBQC6evD=DTAi=1JoXKTQG7tP1zSg8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000201d8b88e$5155bd70$f4013850$@bluefrog.com>
 <343313050.6207.1661443410263@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAKb_wfndfhiawR7Kb5vvBQC6evD=DTAi=1JoXKTQG7tP1zSg8Q@mail.gmail.com>
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All,Check the CAT forum resource tab.The is a speadsheet that links to hundreds of articles, brochures, etc.CheersB
Brian Glenn
 P.O. Box 578
 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
 B9470208LRXFE GT
 B9471101LRXFE 
 B9472615LRXFE 
 B382000846LRXFE 
 B382001212LRXFE 

    On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:49:56 AM PDT, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I have a copy of that road and track issue and I wanted a poster size reprint of the page showing the data and cutaway drawing. I sent an email to the magazine asking if they could provide a copy of that page or give me permission to copy and print it myself. I never heard back so I assumed that was permission to do what I wanted.
I made a copy at 600dpi and sent the file to an online place that makes poster size prints. I got a really nice 2'x3' poster that I display at car shows.
Have fun,?Joe Brown
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 11:29 AM GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

   Good site with good info. 
   I especially like to see the reprint of the Road and Track test of the MK1 Tiger. 
   A good reminder of what the original paint looked? like so if you want a concours correct paint job just duplicate this: 
    
  
  On 08/25/2022 10:23 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:   
   
   
I found this web site the other day ? lots of interesting information.
 


 
Home - Rootes and related

 


 
I have not explored it?s full content but I did find a 1957 ? 1966 ICI paint booklet and a very interesting booklet about their production facilities.
 
Company publications Archives - Rootes and related

 
Go to the bottom of the page ? there is a 2 part booklet with lots of pictures.
 


 
Ron Fraser
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Aug 26 09:55:19 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:55:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps
Message-ID: <1641921218.1082814.1661529327150@verizon.net>

Wanted to install backup lamps on the Tiger, but didn't want to drill holes in the body.? Had a pair of NOS S210 Wipac top mount lamps which look identical to the MKII lamps except the mounting.? The lamps on the MKII are 9" center to center of the bumper guard bolt. That is a long distance for a bracket.? My solution was a 1-1/4 x 1-1/4 x 1/16 aluminum angle mounted between the bumper guards.? Just cut to lenght and drill 4 half inch holes.? Wiring will run through the license lamp grommet and ground to the license lamp bracket. Of course I'll need to run wires in the car.? The angle doesn't interfere with the license lamps, but everything needs to be assembled before? installing the bumper.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Aug 26 10:57:00 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:57:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps
In-Reply-To: <1641921218.1082814.1661529327150@verizon.net>
References: <1641921218.1082814.1661529327150@verizon.net>
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Jim

                Looks well done.

What are you using for a backup light switch?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio via Tigers
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 11:55 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps

 

Wanted to install backup lamps on the Tiger, but didn't want to drill holes in the body.  Had a pair of NOS S210 Wipac top mount lamps which look identical to the MKII lamps except the mounting.  The lamps on the MKII are 9" center to center of the bumper guard bolt. That is a long distance for a bracket.  My solution was a 1-1/4 x 1-1/4 x 1/16 aluminum angle mounted between the bumper guards.  Just cut to lenght and drill 4 half inch holes.  Wiring will run through the license lamp grommet and ground to the license lamp bracket. Of course I'll need to run wires in the car.  The angle doesn't interfere with the license lamps, but everything needs to be assembled before  installing the bumper.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Aug 26 11:17:23 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:17:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps
In-Reply-To: <000e01d8b96c$dd024670$9706d350$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <567739077.1867969.1661534251793@verizon.net>

Hopefully I'll be using the switch pictured. It's a copy of C2AZ-15520-E sold by Dennis Carpenter.?Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 8/26/22  12:57 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'Jim D'Amelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps Jim??????????????? Looks well done.What are you using for a backup light switch??Ron Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio via TigersSent: Friday, August 26, 2022 11:55 AMTo: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps?Wanted to install backup lamps on the Tiger, but didn't want to drill holes in the body.? Had a pair of NOS S210 Wipac top mount lamps which look identical to the MKII lamps except the mounting.? The lamps on the MKII are 9" center to center of the bumper guard bolt. That is a long distance for a bracket.? My solution was a 1-1/4 x 1-1/4 x 1/16 aluminum angle mounted between the bumper guards.? Just cut to lenght and drill 4 half inch holes.? Wiring will run through the license lamp grommet and ground to the license lamp bracket. Of course I'll need to run wires in the car.? The angle doesn't interfere with the license lamps, but everything needs to be assembled before? installing the bumper.?Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy?
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Aug 26 11:41:51 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:41:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps
In-Reply-To: <567739077.1867969.1661534251793@verizon.net>
References: <000e01d8b96c$dd024670$9706d350$@bluefrog.com>
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Jim

                I was just checking ? that is the correct switch.    I believe the switch was originally a Ford Galaxy part.

I had to look up the correct Ford part number again then it was good to see Dennis Carpenter was making the switch.   It mounts to the shifter bracket and may need a little adjustment for position.

 

I ran the wires under an open spot at the bottom of the transmission tunnel cover and under the carpet.

Wires are run with the wire harness to the back of the car along the sill.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Jim D'Amelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:17 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps

 

Hopefully I'll be using the switch pictured. It's a copy of C2AZ-15520-E sold by Dennis Carpenter. 

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 

Date: 8/26/22 12:57 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: 'Jim D'Amelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> > 

Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>  

Subject: RE: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps 

 

Jim

                Looks well done.

What are you using for a backup light switch?

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Jim D'Amelio via Tigers
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 11:55 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] MKIA Backup Lamps

 

Wanted to install backup lamps on the Tiger, but didn't want to drill holes in the body.  Had a pair of NOS S210 Wipac top mount lamps which look identical to the MKII lamps except the mounting.  The lamps on the MKII are 9" center to center of the bumper guard bolt. That is a long distance for a bracket.  My solution was a 1-1/4 x 1-1/4 x 1/16 aluminum angle mounted between the bumper guards.  Just cut to lenght and drill 4 half inch holes.  Wiring will run through the license lamp grommet and ground to the license lamp bracket. Of course I'll need to run wires in the car.  The angle doesn't interfere with the license lamps, but everything needs to be assembled before  installing the bumper.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Aug 28 14:46:39 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 16:46:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Jensen Motors
Message-ID: <000601d8bb1f$46a5f050$d3f1d0f0$@bluefrog.com>

I have always just seen pictures of the front facade of the Jensen Motors
Ltd. building so I looked for a picture of the complete facility.

Jensen Motors | Kelvin Way Factory - The Jensen Museum
<https://www.jensenmuseum.org/jensen-motors-kelvin-way-factory/> 

 

I found this picture which shows the complete Jensen factory and the 1
production line building for Tiger assembly.

Jensen Motors was a major facility with many capabilities.

 

Enjoy

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sun Aug 28 16:32:31 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 18:32:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Jensen Motors
In-Reply-To: <000601d8bb1f$46a5f050$d3f1d0f0$@bluefrog.com>
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Very nice Ron. Thanks for sharing.?Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 8/28/22  5:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Jensen Motors I have always just seen pictures of the front facade of the Jensen Motors Ltd. building so I looked for a picture of the complete facility.Jensen Motors | Kelvin Way Factory - The Jensen Museum?I found this picture which shows the complete Jensen factory and the 1 production line building for Tiger assembly.Jensen Motors was a major facility with many capabilities.?EnjoyRon Fraser
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