From tym2 at comcast.net  Thu Apr  7 13:29:00 2022
From: tym2 at comcast.net (Dr. T. Y. McDowell)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 15:29:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 289 Engine
Message-ID: <1621781060.2785848.1649359740350@connect.xfinity.com>

Tigers,

A fellow car enthusiast who knows I have a Tiger called to say that he knows someone who has a 289 out of a 1967 Mk 2.  The engine is out of the car and is located near me in Westfield, MA.  He wants $2,600.00

I do not know the seller, nor do I have any financial interest in this matter.  If anyone is interested let me know (tym2 at comcast.net mailto:tym2 at comcast.net ) and I'll hook you up with the owner.

Tym McDowell
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Thu Apr  7 14:31:53 2022
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 16:31:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 289 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1621781060.2785848.1649359740350@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1621781060.2785848.1649359740350@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hbkBmURHwcjgYa8nMNOihqHYJMYTTFfd+uLTeVq9-nA3A@mail.gmail.com>

Get the engine number from him and give it to Norm Miller for
authentication.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 3:29 PM Dr. T. Y. McDowell <tym2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Tigers,
>
> A fellow car enthusiast who knows I have a Tiger called to say that he
> knows someone who has a 289 out of a 1967 Mk 2.  The engine is out of the
> car and is located near me in Westfield, MA.  He wants $2,600.00
>
> I do not know the seller, nor do I have any financial interest in this
> matter.  If anyone is interested let me know (tym2 at comcast.net) and I'll
> hook you up with the owner.
>
> Tym McDowell
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Apr  7 14:37:30 2022
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 13:37:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 289 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1621781060.2785848.1649359740350@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1621781060.2785848.1649359740350@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <005501d84abf$4f312760$ed937620$@mayfco.com>

Knowing  zip all regards a 289 from a MK 2 from a plain 1966 or so version of a 289, what differentiates the two? In terms of real hardware. Stickers on valve covers can be pretty easily removed and or faked so what else is there? Just curious.   

 

mayf

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 12:29 PM
To: Tiger's List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] 289 Engine

 

Tigers, 

 

A fellow car enthusiast who knows I have a Tiger called to say that he knows someone who has a 289 out of a 1967 Mk 2.  The engine is out of the car and is located near me in Westfield, MA.  He wants $2,600.00 

 

I do not know the seller, nor do I have any financial interest in this matter.  If anyone is interested let me know (tym2 at comcast.net <mailto:tym2 at comcast.net> ) and I'll hook you up with the owner. 

 

Tym McDowell 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Apr  7 16:21:17 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 18:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 289 Engine
In-Reply-To: <005501d84abf$4f312760$ed937620$@mayfco.com>
References: <1621781060.2785848.1649359740350@connect.xfinity.com>
 <005501d84abf$4f312760$ed937620$@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <001a01d84acd$ce483760$6ad8a620$@bluefrog.com>

This is one of the reasons I started the Original Tiger Engine Study.

 

There are only a few ways to tell the difference between an Original Tiger Engine and a Standard Ford Engine.

 

Unfortunately, the Ford ID tags that identify a Tiger engine can be removed and tossed.

 

There have been around 45 requests for the ONLINE Tiger Engine Survey with 13 responses.

The more responses the better the data base becomes.

 

 <https://teae.org/tiger-engine-study/> Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast AlpinesEast (teae.org)

 

 

Not long ago a Tiger owner contacted me about a spare 260 engine he was about to sell.   Turns out that spare engine was most likely the original Tiger Engine.   This is one of the purposes of the Tiger Engine Study.

 

With enough engine details I should be able to tell if that Mk II engine is an Original Tiger Engine.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2022 4:38 PM
To: 'Dr. T. Y. McDowell' <tym2 at comcast.net>; 'Tiger's List' <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 Engine

 

Knowing  zip all regards a 289 from a MK 2 from a plain 1966 or so version of a 289, what differentiates the two? In terms of real hardware. Stickers on valve covers can be pretty easily removed and or faked so what else is there? Just curious.   

 

mayf

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 12:29 PM
To: Tiger's List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] 289 Engine

 

Tigers, 

 

A fellow car enthusiast who knows I have a Tiger called to say that he knows someone who has a 289 out of a 1967 Mk 2.  The engine is out of the car and is located near me in Westfield, MA.  He wants $2,600.00 

 

I do not know the seller, nor do I have any financial interest in this matter.  If anyone is interested let me know (tym2 at comcast.net <mailto:tym2 at comcast.net> ) and I'll hook you up with the owner. 

 

Tym McDowell 

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From blance598 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 10:18:15 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 12:18:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
Message-ID: <CACQC2nUV4J56F-Z9reKz7wFkGZR6y54pWXRmy4YBBppJKX+t-w@mail.gmail.com>

Who is the favorite for rebuilding our speedometer. I constantly  have to
knock on the glass to wake it up. Is MO MA still in business?  Thanks in
advance. Lance/Beau
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 10:58:29 2022
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 18:58:29 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nUV4J56F-Z9reKz7wFkGZR6y54pWXRmy4YBBppJKX+t-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Not sure but I would avoid nisonger for what?s it worth.

Il giorno ven 8 apr 2022 alle 18:19 Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> ha scritto:

> Who is the favorite for rebuilding our speedometer. I constantly  have to
> knock on the glass to wake it up. Is MO MA still in business?  Thanks in
> advance. Lance/Beau
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Apr  8 11:20:35 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:20:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nUV4J56F-Z9reKz7wFkGZR6y54pWXRmy4YBBppJKX+t-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000b01d84b6c$f6c534a0$e44f9de0$@bluefrog.com>

Lance

                The speedometer needle paint is probably sticking to the stop peg.

You might be able to fix that yourself if so inclined.

Possibly a thin Teflon tube on the stop peg.

I?m sure there are other possibilities.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2022 12:18 PM
To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder

 

Who is the favorite for rebuilding our speedometer. I constantly  have to knock on the glass to wake it up. Is MO MA still in business?  Thanks in advance. Lance/Beau 

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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 11:40:31 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 10:40:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
In-Reply-To: <000b01d84b6c$f6c534a0$e44f9de0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <CACQC2nUV4J56F-Z9reKz7wFkGZR6y54pWXRmy4YBBppJKX+t-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <000b01d84b6c$f6c534a0$e44f9de0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <F468BE2D-6D0F-4343-8225-D81B9D8034A0@gmail.com>

FWIW MoMa was Morris and Martha.  They got divorced.  Morris opened West Valley Instruments.  He was still in business as of a couple years ago.

https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com <https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/>




> On Apr 8, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Lance
>                 The speedometer needle paint is probably sticking to the stop peg.
> You might be able to fix that yourself if so inclined.
> Possibly a thin Teflon tube on the stop peg.
> I?m sure there are other possibilities.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2022 12:18 PM
> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
>  
> Who is the favorite for rebuilding our speedometer. I constantly  have to knock on the glass to wake it up. Is MO MA still in business?  Thanks in advance. Lance/Beau 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Apr  8 12:27:37 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 11:27:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
In-Reply-To: <F468BE2D-6D0F-4343-8225-D81B9D8034A0@gmail.com>
References: <F468BE2D-6D0F-4343-8225-D81B9D8034A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9F2A371F-D0FC-40F2-B36D-D94A2974902D@comcast.net>

Silicon spray will fix it.. just a drop on stop pin
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2022, at 10:41 AM, Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?FWIW MoMa was Morris and Martha.  They got divorced.  Morris opened West Valley Instruments.  He was still in business as of a couple years ago.
> 
> https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Lance
>>                 The speedometer needle paint is probably sticking to the stop peg.
>> You might be able to fix that yourself if so inclined.
>> Possibly a thin Teflon tube on the stop peg.
>> I?m sure there are other possibilities.
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>>  
>>  
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2022 12:18 PM
>> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
>>  
>> Who is the favorite for rebuilding our speedometer. I constantly  have to knock on the glass to wake it up. Is MO MA still in business?  Thanks in advance. Lance/Beau 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 13:58:29 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 15:58:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
In-Reply-To: <9F2A371F-D0FC-40F2-B36D-D94A2974902D@comcast.net>
References: <F468BE2D-6D0F-4343-8225-D81B9D8034A0@gmail.com>
 <9F2A371F-D0FC-40F2-B36D-D94A2974902D@comcast.net>
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Thanks for the tip. You guys are the best. Beau

On Fri, Apr 8, 2022, 2:28 PM Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

> Silicon spray will fix it.. just a drop on stop pin
> Gary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 8, 2022, at 10:41 AM, Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?FWIW MoMa was Morris and Martha.  They got divorced.  Morris opened West
> Valley Instruments.  He was still in business as of a couple years ago.
>
> https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Lance
>                 The speedometer needle paint is probably sticking to the
> stop peg.
> You might be able to fix that yourself if so inclined.
> Possibly a thin Teflon tube on the stop peg.
> I?m sure there are other possibilities.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Lance
> Beauchamp via Tigers
> *Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2022 12:18 PM
> *To:* Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
>
> Who is the favorite for rebuilding our speedometer. I constantly  have to
> knock on the glass to wake it up. Is MO MA still in business?  Thanks in
> advance. Lance/Beau
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Fri Apr  8 14:36:22 2022
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 16:36:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
In-Reply-To: <000b01d84b6c$f6c534a0$e44f9de0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <CACQC2nUV4J56F-Z9reKz7wFkGZR6y54pWXRmy4YBBppJKX+t-w@mail.gmail.com>
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I second Ron's diagnosis.  Sticky paint on the needle can cause the needle
to stick to the stop.  I currently have placed a short length of teflon
tubing (got it by stripping a length of teflon-insulated wire) on the
stop.  Works great.  In an earlier life i scraped the paint off the side of
the needle and that worked too.  Went to teflon after repainting the needle.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 1:20 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Lance
>
>                 The speedometer needle paint is probably sticking to the
> stop peg.
>
> You might be able to fix that yourself if so inclined.
>
> Possibly a thin Teflon tube on the stop peg.
>
> I?m sure there are other possibilities.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Lance
> Beauchamp via Tigers
> *Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2022 12:18 PM
> *To:* Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Speedometer Rebuilder
>
>
>
> Who is the favorite for rebuilding our speedometer. I constantly  have to
> knock on the glass to wake it up. Is MO MA still in business?  Thanks in
> advance. Lance/Beau
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>
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 13:28:23 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 12:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
Message-ID: <09EDB9AC-1C93-4366-BE25-30D793C654BA@gmail.com>

On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.  I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the brakes it was fine.

Thoughts?

This is with stock brakes and servo.

I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.  That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.

From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 13:58:19 2022
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 15:58:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
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References: <09EDB9AC-1C93-4366-BE25-30D793C654BA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGiVA4ZZN_Qh748XADkEmTePanO4CZ_fExvPQu0SGf9XBGX4XA@mail.gmail.com>

Generally I find that happens on the rears when they get a little axle seal
leak.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 3:29 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the
> very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.
> I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last
> moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it
> seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the
> brakes it was fine.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> This is with stock brakes and servo.
>
> I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.
> That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t
> know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 13:56:12 2022
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:56:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 137
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Some brake fluid damp  ness might cause the same issue. Needs to be looked
at foresure.
Beau

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 12:28:23 -0700
From: Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
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On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the very
last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.  I
didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last moment.
But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it seemed like it
was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the brakes it was
fine.

Thoughts?

This is with stock brakes and servo.

I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.
That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t
know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 15:58:19 -0400
From: Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com>
To: Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes biting
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Generally I find that happens on the rears when they get a little axle seal
leak.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 3:29 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the
> very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.
> I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last
> moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it
> seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the
> brakes it was fine.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> This is with stock brakes and servo.
>
> I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.
> That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t
> know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 15:33:55 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 14:33:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
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I?m starting to suspect the hoses more.  There was another incident that was a bit different, and now that I think of it, points more to the hoses.

As I said before, as I was coming to a stop, with my foot on the brake, at the last second before coming to a complete stop, it seemed the brakes bit a little harder - like I pushed the brakes a tiny bit, even though I didn?t at all.  

My initial assumption was that there was a bubble in the rubber hose, increasing pressure.  But I discounted that since it stopped immediately when I lifted the pedal.  When I have heard about this before, I recall that the bubble kept the pressure up even after the pedal was released.  But every situation is different.  

This other incident was also at very low speed, just after I lifted the brakes and was coasting forward, I got a feeling like I was taping on the brakes repeatedly and the wheel was chirping.  It was very strange.  I don?t know the details to give more help on that.  

One other factor, I have braided stainless hoses, that are smaller OD and ID than stock rubber hoses.  


> On Apr 24, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.  I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the brakes it was fine.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> This is with stock brakes and servo.
> 
> I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.  That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.


From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 15:44:18 2022
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 17:44:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
In-Reply-To: <40363A62-8B3B-4ECE-AC9A-4F2322D070EF@gmail.com>
References: <09EDB9AC-1C93-4366-BE25-30D793C654BA@gmail.com>
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You have a differential lock on that? Chirping while turning?

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:34 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?m starting to suspect the hoses more.  There was another incident that
> was a bit different, and now that I think of it, points more to the hoses.
>
> As I said before, as I was coming to a stop, with my foot on the brake, at
> the last second before coming to a complete stop, it seemed the brakes bit
> a little harder - like I pushed the brakes a tiny bit, even though I didn?t
> at all.
>
> My initial assumption was that there was a bubble in the rubber hose,
> increasing pressure.  But I discounted that since it stopped immediately
> when I lifted the pedal.  When I have heard about this before, I recall
> that the bubble kept the pressure up even after the pedal was released.
> But every situation is different.
>
> This other incident was also at very low speed, just after I lifted the
> brakes and was coasting forward, I got a feeling like I was taping on the
> brakes repeatedly and the wheel was chirping.  It was very strange.  I
> don?t know the details to give more help on that.
>
> One other factor, I have braided stainless hoses, that are smaller OD and
> ID than stock rubber hoses.
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the
> very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.
> I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last
> moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it
> seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the
> brakes it was fine.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > This is with stock brakes and servo.
> >
> > I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not
> sure.  That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I
> don?t know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is
> released.
>
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>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Apr 25 18:06:53 2022
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:06:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
In-Reply-To: <40363A62-8B3B-4ECE-AC9A-4F2322D070EF@gmail.com>
References: <09EDB9AC-1C93-4366-BE25-30D793C654BA@gmail.com>
 <40363A62-8B3B-4ECE-AC9A-4F2322D070EF@gmail.com>
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Jay
	Brakes are a safety system.   Check and examine every part and every aspect of the brake system - assume nothing.

I would not think the SS hoses are the problem but again assume nothing.

Right now my thought is that you need to rebuild the Master brake cylinder and or the brake booster too.

You stated that the car stops when you release the pedal - that sounds like the Master Cylinder piston is moving back too slowly and not releasing the brake pressure.   

 I once had something similar to this - the spring in the Master was half worn on one side so the spring force and force angle was wrong.

 Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jay via Tigers
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 5:34 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes biting

I?m starting to suspect the hoses more.  There was another incident that was a bit different, and now that I think of it, points more to the hoses.

As I said before, as I was coming to a stop, with my foot on the brake, at the last second before coming to a complete stop, it seemed the brakes bit a little harder - like I pushed the brakes a tiny bit, even though I didn?t at all.  

My initial assumption was that there was a bubble in the rubber hose, increasing pressure.  But I discounted that since it stopped immediately when I lifted the pedal.  When I have heard about this before, I recall that the bubble kept the pressure up even after the pedal was released.  But every situation is different.  

This other incident was also at very low speed, just after I lifted the brakes and was coasting forward, I got a feeling like I was taping on the brakes repeatedly and the wheel was chirping.  It was very strange.  I don?t know the details to give more help on that.  

One other factor, I have braided stainless hoses, that are smaller OD and ID than stock rubber hoses.  


> On Apr 24, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.  I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the brakes it was fine.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> This is with stock brakes and servo.
> 
> I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.  That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.

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From W_Pierzga at msn.com  Tue Apr 26 09:10:23 2022
From: W_Pierzga at msn.com (Wayne Pierzga)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 15:10:23 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
In-Reply-To: <40363A62-8B3B-4ECE-AC9A-4F2322D070EF@gmail.com>
References: <09EDB9AC-1C93-4366-BE25-30D793C654BA@gmail.com>
 <40363A62-8B3B-4ECE-AC9A-4F2322D070EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL3PR02MB806853BECDBA200F544736F09FFB9@BL3PR02MB8068.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jay

I was not aware you were using SS braided flex lines. If I recall these use a 'plastic' tube to carry the brake fluid. I don?t think these tubes delaminate/collapse like OEM rubber as they deteriorate.

So, I have another suggestion you may want to investigate. Is there an in-line vacuum check-valve between the carb and brake booster? If so this may be sticking and could be the source of the intermittent problems you describe.

Cheers
Wayne 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay [mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 5:34 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes biting

I?m starting to suspect the hoses more.  There was another incident that was a bit different, and now that I think of it, points more to the hoses.

As I said before, as I was coming to a stop, with my foot on the brake, at the last second before coming to a complete stop, it seemed the brakes bit a little harder - like I pushed the brakes a tiny bit, even though I didn?t at all.  

My initial assumption was that there was a bubble in the rubber hose, increasing pressure.  But I discounted that since it stopped immediately when I lifted the pedal.  When I have heard about this before, I recall that the bubble kept the pressure up even after the pedal was released.  But every situation is different.  

This other incident was also at very low speed, just after I lifted the brakes and was coasting forward, I got a feeling like I was taping on the brakes repeatedly and the wheel was chirping.  It was very strange.  I don?t know the details to give more help on that.  

One other factor, I have braided stainless hoses, that are smaller OD and ID than stock rubber hoses.  


> On Apr 24, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.  I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the brakes it was fine.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> This is with stock brakes and servo.
> 
> I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.  That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.



From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Apr 26 10:53:33 2022
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 12:53:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
In-Reply-To: <BL3PR02MB806853BECDBA200F544736F09FFB9@BL3PR02MB8068.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <09EDB9AC-1C93-4366-BE25-30D793C654BA@gmail.com>
 <40363A62-8B3B-4ECE-AC9A-4F2322D070EF@gmail.com>
 <BL3PR02MB806853BECDBA200F544736F09FFB9@BL3PR02MB8068.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1057279548.3067860.1650992013560@connect.xfinity.com>

You might also check...
Years ago I still had my original "yellow stripe" vacuum hose on my
servo.  Back behind the air cleaner where you couldn't see it, it had
become "soft".  When it got hot it sucked in and closed off the vacuum
to the servo until it cooled slightly.  Boost was intermittent.
Gary


> On 04/26/2022 11:10 AM Wayne Pierzga via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Hi Jay
> 
> I was not aware you were using SS braided flex lines. If I recall these use a 'plastic' tube to carry the brake fluid. I don?t think these tubes delaminate/collapse like OEM rubber as they deteriorate.
> 
> So, I have another suggestion you may want to investigate. Is there an in-line vacuum check-valve between the carb and brake booster? If so this may be sticking and could be the source of the intermittent problems you describe.
> 
> Cheers
> Wayne 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay [mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 5:34 PM
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes biting
> 
> I?m starting to suspect the hoses more.  There was another incident that was a bit different, and now that I think of it, points more to the hoses.
> 
> As I said before, as I was coming to a stop, with my foot on the brake, at the last second before coming to a complete stop, it seemed the brakes bit a little harder - like I pushed the brakes a tiny bit, even though I didn?t at all.  
> 
> My initial assumption was that there was a bubble in the rubber hose, increasing pressure.  But I discounted that since it stopped immediately when I lifted the pedal.  When I have heard about this before, I recall that the bubble kept the pressure up even after the pedal was released.  But every situation is different.  
> 
> This other incident was also at very low speed, just after I lifted the brakes and was coasting forward, I got a feeling like I was taping on the brakes repeatedly and the wheel was chirping.  It was very strange.  I don?t know the details to give more help on that.  
> 
> One other factor, I have braided stainless hoses, that are smaller OD and ID than stock rubber hoses.  
> 
> 
> > On Apr 24, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.  I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the brakes it was fine.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > This is with stock brakes and servo.
> > 
> > I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.  That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.
> 
> 
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 10:55:56 2022
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:55:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes biting
In-Reply-To: <1057279548.3067860.1650992013560@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <09EDB9AC-1C93-4366-BE25-30D793C654BA@gmail.com>
 <40363A62-8B3B-4ECE-AC9A-4F2322D070EF@gmail.com>
 <BL3PR02MB806853BECDBA200F544736F09FFB9@BL3PR02MB8068.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <1057279548.3067860.1650992013560@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <7421F39D-F1D0-49A7-B96A-62A44339A1FE@gmail.com>

Both of these suggestions seem to track better with the symptoms.  And, FWIW, if I recall, dad was proud of the yellow stripe hose.  I?ll be checking it out this weekend.

Thanks guys.

Jay


> On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:53 AM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> You might also check...
> Years ago I still had my original "yellow stripe" vacuum hose on my
> servo.  Back behind the air cleaner where you couldn't see it, it had
> become "soft".  When it got hot it sucked in and closed off the vacuum
> to the servo until it cooled slightly.  Boost was intermittent.
> Gary
> 
> 
>> On 04/26/2022 11:10 AM Wayne Pierzga via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jay
>> 
>> I was not aware you were using SS braided flex lines. If I recall these use a 'plastic' tube to carry the brake fluid. I don?t think these tubes delaminate/collapse like OEM rubber as they deteriorate.
>> 
>> So, I have another suggestion you may want to investigate. Is there an in-line vacuum check-valve between the carb and brake booster? If so this may be sticking and could be the source of the intermittent problems you describe.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Wayne 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jay [mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 5:34 PM
>> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes biting
>> 
>> I?m starting to suspect the hoses more.  There was another incident that was a bit different, and now that I think of it, points more to the hoses.
>> 
>> As I said before, as I was coming to a stop, with my foot on the brake, at the last second before coming to a complete stop, it seemed the brakes bit a little harder - like I pushed the brakes a tiny bit, even though I didn?t at all.  
>> 
>> My initial assumption was that there was a bubble in the rubber hose, increasing pressure.  But I discounted that since it stopped immediately when I lifted the pedal.  When I have heard about this before, I recall that the bubble kept the pressure up even after the pedal was released.  But every situation is different.  
>> 
>> This other incident was also at very low speed, just after I lifted the brakes and was coasting forward, I got a feeling like I was taping on the brakes repeatedly and the wheel was chirping.  It was very strange.  I don?t know the details to give more help on that.  
>> 
>> One other factor, I have braided stainless hoses, that are smaller OD and ID than stock rubber hoses.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On my drive today, I first noticed that when slowing to a stop, at the very last moment before stopping, the brakes seemed to have an extra bite.  I didn?t notice anything at speed or during braking.  Just that last moment.  But once I lifted, it always stopped.  Then at one point, it seemed like it was biting a bit more.  Again, the second I lifted off the brakes it was fine.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> This is with stock brakes and servo.
>>> 
>>> I almost want to say that it is only one front wheel.  But I?m not sure.  That would suggest caliper or hose.  But when those stick or bite, I don?t know that they release the second the pressure on the pedal is released.
>> 
>> 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Apr 29 10:08:42 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:08:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Window Stop
Message-ID: <1870270991.529436.1651248675962@verizon.net>

Getting all the parts together to assemble the Tiger doors.? Realized I had never cleaned up the window stops.? Come to find out I only ever had one and never saved any from the Alpines I parted. Does anyone have one not totalled rusted they would part with.Sure would help me out.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Apr 30 12:27:57 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:27:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Window Channels
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I installed Rick's window channels in the guides.? They are just too tight on the glass.? Actually pulled the glass out of the lower door glass channel.? Does anyone know of an alternative or how to make these work betterJim DSent from my Galaxy
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 30 14:17:18 2022
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (LARRY PAULICK)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 16:17:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Window Channels
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Have you ever thought about calling Rick and asking him?

> On Apr 30, 2022, at 2:27 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I installed Rick's window channels in the guides.  They are just too tight on the glass.  Actually pulled the glass out of the lower door glass channel.  Does anyone know of an alternative or how to make these work better
> 
> Jim D
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 16:00:07 2022
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:00:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Window Channels
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After you install them you need to let them sit with the glass in the felt
for atleast a week. Then apply silicon spray.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 4:18 PM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <
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> Have you ever thought about calling Rick and asking him?
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> On Apr 30, 2022, at 2:27 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
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> I installed Rick's window channels in the guides.  They are just too tight
> on the glass.  Actually pulled the glass out of the lower door glass
> channel.  Does anyone know of an alternative or how to make these work
> better
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> Jim D
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Apr 30 16:33:27 2022
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:33:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Window Channels
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There were instructions with the channels, but didn?t mention letting it sit.? I did run a spare vent window up and down each channel after install.? I have a NOS left front and rear channel.? The felt insert on the front is not as thick as what Rick sells. Guess it will have to sit for at least a week.?Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com> Date: 4/30/22  6:00 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: LARRY PAULICK <lpaulick1 at verizon.net> Cc: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Window Channels After you install them you need to let them sit with the glass in the felt for atleast?a week. Then apply silicon spray.On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 4:18 PM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:Have you ever thought about calling Rick and asking him?On Apr 30, 2022, at 2:27 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:I installed Rick's window channels in the guides.? They are just too tight on the glass.? Actually pulled the glass out of the lower door glass channel.? Does anyone know of an alternative or how to make these work betterJim DSent from my Galaxy_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net_______________________________________________

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