From srwick at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  1 06:44:46 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:44:46 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] New paints
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I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern paint code. My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was stripped and repainted red back in the mid '70's, so I don't have a spot where I can have the paint shop scan the old paint.

Steve

________________________________
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM
To: 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net>
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints


Richard

                You probably got those numbers from me.



The problem is that at my paint shop those old numbers no longer translate to a paint mix.

Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and mixes available but most do not.



Ron Fraser



From: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints



This is what I had saved from somewhere:

Ditzler code: 12633
Dulux enamel: 97365
Chrysler #: 75242838
Burger code: 404.1710
ICI: 2983


On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ??? Ditzler # 12633
>
>
>
> The problem is that these old paint codes do not correspond or translate
> well into the new paint codes of today.
>
> 1st you need to see about getting the color match paint code you want for
> your car.
>
> If someone here has the current paint code for #58, pass it along.
>
>
>
> Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix the paint in single stage
> or base coat/ clear coat.
>
> Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be determined by the painter???s
> preference.
>
>
>
> Water base paints are sold to Professional Spray Paint Shops only as far
> as I know. I have asked about water base paints and they would not sell
> them to me.
>
> You really need a paint booth with correct equipment to spray, dry and
> cure water base paint.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp
> via Tigers
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM
> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: [Tigers] New paints
>
>
>
> My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good insurance is getting a complete
> repaint, my question is what is now the preferred paint used today . My
> cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is the number. Should I do base
> coat clear coat.
>
> I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not to up on the new products.
> Any ideas are appreciated. Beau
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 06:53:36 2021
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 20:53:36 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] New paints
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Steve,

Take off the latch panel for the bonnet covering the heater matrix in the
scuttle. The underside will have the original paint. And it won't be sun
faded.

On Wednesday, 1 September 2021, steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern paint code.
> My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was stripped and repainted red
> back in the mid '70's, so I don't have a spot where I can have the paint
> shop scan the old paint.
>
> Steve
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Ron Fraser <
> rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM
> *To:* 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net>
> *Cc:* 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <
> tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] New paints
>
>
> Richard
>
>                 You probably got those numbers from me.
>
>
>
> The problem is that at my paint shop those old numbers no longer translate
> to a paint mix.
>
> Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and mixes available but
> most do not.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> *Cc:* 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] New paints
>
>
>
> This is what I had saved from somewhere:
>
> Ditzler code: 12633
> Dulux enamel: 97365
> Chrysler #: 75242838
> Burger code: 404.1710
> ICI: 2983
>
>
> On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> > Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ??? Ditzler # 12633
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem is that these old paint codes do not correspond or translate
> > well into the new paint codes of today.
> >
> > 1st you need to see about getting the color match paint code you want for
> > your car.
> >
> > If someone here has the current paint code for #58, pass it along.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix the paint in single stage
> > or base coat/ clear coat.
> >
> > Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be determined by the painter???s
> > preference.
> >
> >
> >
> > Water base paints are sold to Professional Spray Paint Shops only as far
> > as I know. I have asked about water base paints and they would not sell
> > them to me.
> >
> > You really need a paint booth with correct equipment to spray, dry and
> > cure water base paint.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Fraser
> >
> >
> >
> >
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp
> > via Tigers
> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM
> > To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Tigers] New paints
> >
> >
> >
> > My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good insurance is getting a complete
> > repaint, my question is what is now the preferred paint used today . My
> > cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is the number. Should I do base
> > coat clear coat.
> >
> > I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not to up on the new
> products.
> > Any ideas are appreciated. Beau
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > tigers at autox.team.net
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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> >
> >
>


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From srwick at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  1 06:58:16 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:58:16 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] New paints
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I'll give that a shot. They were very thorough, and even painted inside the trunk and passenger compartment.

Steve

________________________________
From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 5:53 AM
To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>
Cc: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net>; Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints

Steve,

Take off the latch panel for the bonnet covering the heater matrix in the scuttle. The underside will have the original paint. And it won't be sun faded.

On Wednesday, 1 September 2021, steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern paint code. My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was stripped and repainted red back in the mid '70's, so I don't have a spot where I can have the paint shop scan the old paint.

Steve

________________________________
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com<mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM
To: 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net<mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com<mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints


Richard

                You probably got those numbers from me.



The problem is that at my paint shop those old numbers no longer translate to a paint mix.

Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and mixes available but most do not.



Ron Fraser



From: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net<mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com<mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com<mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints



This is what I had saved from somewhere:

Ditzler code: 12633
Dulux enamel: 97365
Chrysler #: 75242838
Burger code: 404.1710
ICI: 2983


On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ??? Ditzler # 12633
>
>
>
> The problem is that these old paint codes do not correspond or translate
> well into the new paint codes of today.
>
> 1st you need to see about getting the color match paint code you want for
> your car.
>
> If someone here has the current paint code for #58, pass it along.
>
>
>
> Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix the paint in single stage
> or base coat/ clear coat.
>
> Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be determined by the painter???s
> preference.
>
>
>
> Water base paints are sold to Professional Spray Paint Shops only as far
> as I know. I have asked about water base paints and they would not sell
> them to me.
>
> You really need a paint booth with correct equipment to spray, dry and
> cure water base paint.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp
> via Tigers
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM
> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: [Tigers] New paints
>
>
>
> My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good insurance is getting a complete
> repaint, my question is what is now the preferred paint used today . My
> cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is the number. Should I do base
> coat clear coat.
>
> I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not to up on the new products.
> Any ideas are appreciated. Beau
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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>


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep  1 08:21:16 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 10:21:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New paints
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Steve 

                Here are a couple of notes I found but I'm not sure of the
dates for these comments.  I also do not know if the phone #s are correct

 

The PPG Color Library has catalogues of colors going waaaay back. If you
give them the year make and model, they can look up any color and give to a
modern paint number to match, as well as the original paint code in PPG
paint.

PPG Color Library 8:30 am to 5:30 pm (weekdays) (440) 572-6100
Strongsville, OH 

 

>From Jalopy Journal

 

 

We regularly get paint codes or their modern equivalents (called offsets)
for cars back into the early 30's thru the Ditzler Color Library. Have your
supplier phone them at 800-647-6050. Not sure they will give info to a
private citizen or if you have to be a shop but worth a try. For example, in
1931 Chev used a "Cellini Green" on wheels. Same color was used on '68 VW as
"Sumatra Green". If you have the color name and/or the application they can
likely help you.

 

>From AACA Forums

 

I have 2 modern paint codes that I believe work.

Yes, it would be very nice to have a complete listing of modern paint codes
for Rootes vehicles.

 

86           Forest Green                     GS280

106         Commodore Blue             BS616A  H

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2021 8:45 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'Richard Bruner'
<gammaman at mokancomm.net>
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints

 

I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern paint code.
My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was stripped and repainted red
back in the mid '70's, so I don't have a spot where I can have the paint
shop scan the old paint.

 

Steve

 

 

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Sep  1 09:28:05 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:28:05 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New paints
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I remember a number of years back this message board had a significant 
debate of what the real #86 BRG was. I recall discussion regarding paint 
that wasn't exposed to the elements still "aging," that a more recent 
repaint was therefore was more accurate as it had aged less, that any 
modern formulation method wasn't accurate and what REAL BRG was compared 
to Rootes BRG, and that Rootes got it wrong - I faintly recall one 
argument being (no that that mattered). Nothing wrong with striving for 
accuracy. It just seem like a moving target to hit and subject to the 
opinion of others. Wishing you the best in whatever you decide. In the 
end only YOU need to be content.

On 9/1/2021 5:53 AM, michael king wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Take off the latch panel for the bonnet covering the heater matrix in 
> the scuttle. The underside will have the original paint. And it won't 
> be sun faded.
>
> On Wednesday, 1 September 2021, steve wick via Tigers 
> <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
>     I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern
>     paint code. My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was
>     stripped and repainted red back in the mid '70's, so I don't have
>     a spot where I can have the paint shop scan the old paint.
>
>     Steve
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Ron Fraser
>     <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>     *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM
>     *To:* 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net
>     <mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>
>     *Cc:* 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] New paints
>
>     Richard
>
>     ??????????????? You probably got those numbers from me.
>
>     The problem is that at my paint shop those old numbers no longer
>     translate to a paint mix.
>
>     Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and mixes
>     available but most do not.
>
>     Ron Fraser
>
>     *From:* Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net
>     <mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>
>     *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM
>     *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
>     *Cc:* 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] New paints
>
>     This is what I had saved from somewhere:
>
>     Ditzler code: 12633
>     Dulux enamel: 97365
>     Chrysler #: 75242838
>     Burger code: 404.1710
>     ICI: 2983
>
>
>     On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>     > Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ??? Ditzler # 12633
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > The problem is that these old paint codes do not correspond or
>     translate
>     > well into the new paint codes of today.
>     >
>     > 1st you need to see about getting the color match paint code you
>     want for
>     > your car.
>     >
>     > If someone here has the current paint code for #58, pass it along.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix the paint in
>     single stage
>     > or base coat/ clear coat.
>     >
>     > Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be determined by the
>     painter???s
>     > preference.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Water base paints are sold to Professional Spray Paint Shops
>     only as far
>     > as I know. I have asked about water base paints and they would
>     not sell
>     > them to me.
>     >
>     > You really need a paint booth with correct equipment to spray,
>     dry and
>     > cure water base paint.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Ron Fraser
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp
>     > via Tigers
>     > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM
>     > To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
>     > Subject: [Tigers] New paints
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good insurance is getting a
>     complete
>     > repaint, my question is what is now the preferred paint used
>     today . My
>     > cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is the number. Should
>     I do base
>     > coat clear coat.
>     >
>     > I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not to up on the new
>     products.
>     > Any ideas are appreciated. Beau
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     >
>     > tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
>     >
>     > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>     <http://www.team.net/donate.html>
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  1 10:38:11 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 16:38:11 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] New paints
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Normally when I restore a car, I try to be exact with the paint, because it's just as expensive to do it right as to do it wrong. With the Tiger though, I'd be happy with close. Maybe only 1 in a 100 people I talk to even know what a Tiger is, so being a shade off won't be a big deal. With that said, I'm a big fan of Dark Blue's and Black and not so much a fan of Red. To be honest, I could paint the thing Ford Presidential Blue and be happier with it, but a little research and help from the group might make it "right" the first time.  ?

Steve

________________________________
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:28 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints


I remember a number of years back this message board had a significant debate of what the real #86 BRG was. I recall discussion regarding paint that wasn't exposed to the elements still "aging," that a more recent repaint was therefore was more accurate as it had aged less, that any modern formulation method wasn't accurate and what REAL BRG was compared to Rootes BRG, and that Rootes got it wrong - I faintly recall one argument being (no that that mattered). Nothing wrong with striving for accuracy. It just seem like a moving target to hit and subject to the opinion of others. Wishing you the best in whatever you decide. In the end only YOU need to be content.

On 9/1/2021 5:53 AM, michael king wrote:
Steve,

Take off the latch panel for the bonnet covering the heater matrix in the scuttle. The underside will have the original paint. And it won't be sun faded.

On Wednesday, 1 September 2021, steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern paint code. My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was stripped and repainted red back in the mid '70's, so I don't have a spot where I can have the paint shop scan the old paint.

Steve

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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com<mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM
To: 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net<mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com<mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints


Richard

                You probably got those numbers from me.



The problem is that at my paint shop those old numbers no longer translate to a paint mix.

Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and mixes available but most do not.



Ron Fraser



From: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net<mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com<mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com<mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints



This is what I had saved from somewhere:

Ditzler code: 12633
Dulux enamel: 97365
Chrysler #: 75242838
Burger code: 404.1710
ICI: 2983


On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ??? Ditzler # 12633
>
>
>
> The problem is that these old paint codes do not correspond or translate
> well into the new paint codes of today.
>
> 1st you need to see about getting the color match paint code you want for
> your car.
>
> If someone here has the current paint code for #58, pass it along.
>
>
>
> Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix the paint in single stage
> or base coat/ clear coat.
>
> Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be determined by the painter???s
> preference.
>
>
>
> Water base paints are sold to Professional Spray Paint Shops only as far
> as I know. I have asked about water base paints and they would not sell
> them to me.
>
> You really need a paint booth with correct equipment to spray, dry and
> cure water base paint.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp
> via Tigers
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM
> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: [Tigers] New paints
>
>
>
> My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good insurance is getting a complete
> repaint, my question is what is now the preferred paint used today . My
> cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is the number. Should I do base
> coat clear coat.
>
> I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not to up on the new products.
> Any ideas are appreciated. Beau
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep  1 18:50:01 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 20:50:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New paints
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Steve and all

 

                I found a possible modern paint code for #58 Midnight Blue ? BS364

No guarantees here ? there was a ? next to that number.

I?m hoping it just might get you close to the correct paint color.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2021 8:45 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net>
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints

 

I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern paint code. My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was stripped and repainted red back in the mid '70's, so I don't have a spot where I can have the paint shop scan the old paint.

 

Steve

 

  _____  

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM
To: 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net <mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net> >
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>  <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints 

 

Richard

                You probably got those numbers from me.

 

The problem is that at my paint shop those old numbers no longer translate to a paint mix.

Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and mixes available but most do not.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net <mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net> > 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints

 

This is what I had saved from somewhere:

Ditzler code: 12633
Dulux enamel: 97365
Chrysler #: 75242838
Burger code: 404.1710
ICI: 2983


On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ??? Ditzler # 12633
>
>
>
> The problem is that these old paint codes do not correspond or translate
> well into the new paint codes of today.
>
> 1st you need to see about getting the color match paint code you want for
> your car.
>
> If someone here has the current paint code for #58, pass it along.
>
>
>
> Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix the paint in single stage
> or base coat/ clear coat.
>
> Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be determined by the painter???s
> preference.
>
>
>
> Water base paints are sold to Professional Spray Paint Shops only as far
> as I know. I have asked about water base paints and they would not sell
> them to me.
>
> You really need a paint booth with correct equipment to spray, dry and
> cure water base paint.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp
> via Tigers
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM
> To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
> Subject: [Tigers] New paints
>
>
>
> My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good insurance is getting a complete
> repaint, my question is what is now the preferred paint used today . My
> cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is the number. Should I do base
> coat clear coat.
>
> I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not to up on the new products.
> Any ideas are appreciated. Beau
>
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>
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From dave.barakat at icloud.com  Wed Sep  1 19:19:19 2021
From: dave.barakat at icloud.com (Dave Barakat)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 18:19:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New paints
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For what  ever it is worth my blue ?66 MK 1A with original paint code 58 was repainted with an AMC color code A-11514-D and matched extremely closely. Hope that helps and doesn?t obscure your quest!

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> Steve and all
>  
>                 I found a possible modern paint code for #58 Midnight Blue ? BS364
> No guarantees here ? there was a ? next to that number.
> I?m hoping it just might get you close to the correct paint color.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
>  
>  
> From: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com <mailto:srwick at hotmail.com>> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2021 8:45 AM
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>; 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net <mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>
> Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints
>  
> I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern paint code. My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was stripped and repainted red back in the mid '70's, so I don't have a spot where I can have the paint shop scan the old paint.
>  
> Steve
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM
> To: 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net <mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>
> Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints
>  
> Richard
>                 You probably got those numbers from me.
>  
> The problem is that at my paint shop those old numbers no longer translate to a paint mix.
> Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and mixes available but most do not.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net <mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>> 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
> Cc: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New paints
>  
> This is what I had saved from somewhere:
> 
> Ditzler code: 12633
> Dulux enamel: 97365
> Chrysler #: 75242838
> Burger code: 404.1710
> ICI: 2983
> 
> 
> On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> > Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ??? Ditzler # 12633
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem is that these old paint codes do not correspond or translate
> > well into the new paint codes of today.
> >
> > 1st you need to see about getting the color match paint code you want for
> > your car.
> >
> > If someone here has the current paint code for #58, pass it along.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix the paint in single stage
> > or base coat/ clear coat.
> >
> > Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be determined by the painter???s
> > preference.
> >
> >
> >
> > Water base paints are sold to Professional Spray Paint Shops only as far
> > as I know. I have asked about water base paints and they would not sell
> > them to me.
> >
> > You really need a paint booth with correct equipment to spray, dry and
> > cure water base paint.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Fraser
> >
> >
> >
> >
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp
> > via Tigers
> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM
> > To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
> > Subject: [Tigers] New paints
> >
> >
> >
> > My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good insurance is getting a complete
> > repaint, my question is what is now the preferred paint used today . My
> > cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is the number. Should I do base
> > coat clear coat.
> >
> > I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not to up on the new products.
> > Any ideas are appreciated. Beau
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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From deiland1 at att.net  Sat Sep  4 17:33:40 2021
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 23:33:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
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FYI, I went to JEGS website to order some parts and noticed a problem with the tax calculation on the bill. When I looked into it further I realized they had added an extra dollar to the state tax. I went on their chat line but they were no help. They referred me to their tax site where I could post my issue but that is it. You have to be careful because they just increased the tax due without saying they were collecting more than what the state tax really is if you calculate it out yourself. The person on their chat site said he couldn't correct the issue and only left me the option of contacting their email site to their tax office. I imagine the company is collecting millions of dollars under the premise of taxes when it is not. Not sure who to report this practice too. Needless-to-say I did not purchase the parts. Anyone else noticed this practice before?

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Sep  4 18:07:05 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 17:07:05 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
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State tax is by county and maybe city (at least in CA).? They may charge 
for the largest tax in the state.
Gary


On 9/4/2021 4:33 PM, Daniel Eiland via Tigers wrote:
> FYI, I went to JEGS website to order some parts and noticed a problem 
> with the tax calculation on the bill. When I looked into it further I 
> realized they had added an extra dollar to the state tax. I went on 
> their chat line but they were no help. They referred me to their tax 
> site where I could post my issue but that is it. You have to be 
> careful because they just increased the tax due without saying they 
> were collecting more than what the state tax really is if you 
> calculate it out yourself. The person on their chat site said he 
> couldn't correct the issue and only left me the option of contacting 
> their email site to their tax office. I imagine the company is 
> collecting millions of dollars under the premise of taxes when it is 
> not. Not sure who to report this practice too. Needless-to-say I did 
> not purchase the parts. Anyone else noticed this practice before?
>
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Sep  4 18:07:50 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 20:07:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
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I have made several purchases from JEGS in the last couple of months.? I live in Virginia which has different tax rates ranging from 5.3 to 7%.? My area is 6%.? My parts came to $42.44 not including shipping.? I was charged $2.55 in tax.? That is 6%.?My only problem with them is they list stuff and don't have it or it's been discontinued by the manufacturer.?Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Daniel Eiland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 9/4/21  7:34 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes? FYI, I went to JEGS website to order some parts and noticed a problem with the tax calculation on the bill. When I looked into it further I realized they had added an extra dollar to the state tax. I went on their chat line but they were no help They referred me to their tax site where I could post my issue but that is it. You have to be careful because they just increased the tax due without saying they were collecting more than what the state tax really is if you calculate it out yourself. The person on their chat site said he couldn't correct the issue and only left me the option of contacting their email site to their tax office. I imagine the company is collecting millions of dollars under the premise of taxes when it is not. Not sure who to report this practice too. Needless-to-say I did not purchase the parts. Anyone else noticed this practice before?Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
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From deiland1 at att.net  Sat Sep  4 20:49:52 2021
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 02:49:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
In-Reply-To: <202109050007.18507vlJ128742@alph769.prodigy.net>
References: <982424261.1534462.1630798420423@mail.yahoo.com>
 <202109050007.18507vlJ128742@alph769.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <1389350215.1560009.1630810192518@mail.yahoo.com>

Just heard from someone on another car list who put in a test purchase from Columbus, Ohio and the JEGS site showed the tax on the purchase that was almost double the actual tax.

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 6:07 PM, jimdamelio<jimdamelio at verizon.net> wrote:   I have made several purchases from JEGS in the last couple of months.? I live in Virginia which has different tax rates ranging from 5.3 to 7%.? My area is 6%.? My parts came to $42.44 not including shipping.? I was charged $2.55 in tax.? That is 6%.?
My only problem with them is they list stuff and don't have it or it's been discontinued by the manufacturer.?
Jim D


Sent from my Galaxy

-------- Original message --------From: Daniel Eiland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 9/4/21 7:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes? 
FYI, I went to JEGS website to order some parts and noticed a problem with the tax calculation on the bill. When I looked into it further I realized they had added an extra dollar to the state tax. I went on their chat line but they were no help They referred me to their tax site where I could post my issue but that is it. You have to be careful because they just increased the tax due without saying they were collecting more than what the state tax really is if you calculate it out yourself. The person on their chat site said he couldn't correct the issue and only left me the option of contacting their email site to their tax office. I imagine the company is collecting millions of dollars under the premise of taxes when it is not. Not sure who to report this practice too. Needless-to-say I did not purchase the parts. Anyone else noticed this practice before?

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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 05:22:15 2021
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 07:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
In-Reply-To: <1389350215.1560009.1630810192518@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <982424261.1534462.1630798420423@mail.yahoo.com>
 <202109050007.18507vlJ128742@alph769.prodigy.net>
 <1389350215.1560009.1630810192518@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAGiVA4Yj3UeXAhKJ9bSg3uQ=usKvwmHFbC1JT6zwt9sEAu8Y4g@mail.gmail.com>

Contact  the state Attorney General  where the headquarters are, generally
they will take care of such type gouging.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 10:50 PM Daniel Eiland via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Just heard from someone on another car list who put in a test purchase
> from Columbus, Ohio and the JEGS site showed the tax on the purchase that
> was almost double the actual tax.
>
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature&af_web_dp=https://more.att.com/currently/imap>
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 6:07 PM, jimdamelio
> <jimdamelio at verizon.net> wrote:
> I have made several purchases from JEGS in the last couple of months.  I
> live in Virginia which has different tax rates ranging from 5.3 to 7%.  My
> area is 6%.  My parts came to $42.44 not including shipping.  I was charged
> $2.55 in tax.  That is 6%.
>
> My only problem with them is they list stuff and don't have it or it's
> been discontinued by the manufacturer.
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Daniel Eiland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: 9/4/21 7:34 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
>
> FYI, I went to JEGS website to order some parts and noticed a problem with
> the tax calculation on the bill. When I looked into it further I realized
> they had added an extra dollar to the state tax. I went on their chat line
> but they were no help They referred me to their tax site where I could post
> my issue but that is it. You have to be careful because they just increased
> the tax due without saying they were collecting more than what the state
> tax really is if you calculate it out yourself. The person on their chat
> site said he couldn't correct the issue and only left me the option of
> contacting their email site to their tax office. I imagine the company is
> collecting millions of dollars under the premise of taxes when it is not.
> Not sure who to report this practice too. Needless-to-say I did not
> purchase the parts. Anyone else noticed this practice before?
>
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
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From mark44124 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 08:47:16 2021
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 10:47:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
In-Reply-To: <982424261.1534462.1630798420423@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <982424261.1534462.1630798420423.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+8dKTuGsUg7nQX3LHeXwDC==4mm4C6MUE8s962_v-xiWJT3dw@mail.gmail.com>

I buy exclusively from Summit. No tax issues, price match for everything,
stock quantities are accurate and next day delivery for my zip code. Plus
their customer service has bent over backwards for me on a couple
occasions. I?ve built at least ten engines using Summit as the main parts
source.

Bugz

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 7:34 PM Daniel Eiland via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> FYI, I went to JEGS website to order some parts and noticed a problem with
> the tax calculation on the bill. When I looked into it further I realized
> they had added an extra dollar to the state tax. I went on their chat line
> but they were no help. They referred me to their tax site where I could
> post my issue but that is it. You have to be careful because they just
> increased the tax due without saying they were collecting more than what
> the state tax really is if you calculate it out yourself. The person on
> their chat site said he couldn't correct the issue and only left me the
> option of contacting their email site to their tax office. I imagine the
> company is collecting millions of dollars under the premise of taxes when
> it is not. Not sure who to report this practice too. Needless-to-say I did
> not purchase the parts. Anyone else noticed this practice before?
>
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature&af_web_dp=https://more.att.com/currently/imap>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Sep  5 09:39:27 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 11:39:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
In-Reply-To: <1389350215.1560009.1630810192518@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <982424261.1534462.1630798420423@mail.yahoo.com>
 <202109050007.18507vlJ128742@alph769.prodigy.net>
 <1389350215.1560009.1630810192518@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401d7a26c$36ccad30$a4660790$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

                The big problem is the supply chain is all FUBAR.   Some products are 5 to 10 weeks delay if you?re lucky.

 

Dan

                Your problem is that your asking a legal question to a phone operator and I guarantee they do not have a lawyer on staff there.

There was a time when I noticed that companies were charging tax on postage and handling.  Taxing postage is not legal.   I think I wrote a complaint to the Post Office General.

I then noticed that companies changed the wording to handling and shipping ? all taxable because they took the word postage out.

 

You have to look at any order to check the shipping and handling charge ? they could be OK or down right outrageous these days.

Unfortunately, it?s buyer beware out there, fortunately there is a cancel or delete button.

 

I was ordering an exhaust system on Rock Auto one time and Rock Auto red flagged the main pipe ? the supplier wanted to charge $300 shipping for an $80 part.

Thank you Rock Auto for the heads up, I noticed the high charge too ? that part was purchased elsewhere.

 

As for who to report this to; I would say you need to report it to your State?s Attorney General.

We the people have little influence in these matters to a company but put a State?s Legal team behind something like this, the company will have to take notice.

If a company is over charging Tax ? your State wants to know.

 

I?m not a lawyer so just my opinion on the subject.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Daniel Eiland via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2021 10:50 PM
To: jimdamelio at verizon.net; jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>; Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?

 

Just heard from someone on another car list who put in a test purchase from Columbus, Ohio and the JEGS site showed the tax on the purchase that was almost double the actual tax.

Sent from AT <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature&af_web_dp=https://more.att.com/currently/imap> &T Yahoo Mail on Android

 

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 6:07 PM, jimdamelio

<jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> > wrote:

I have made several purchases from JEGS in the last couple of months.  I live in Virginia which has different tax rates ranging from 5.3 to 7%.  My area is 6%.  My parts came to $42.44 not including shipping.  I was charged $2.55 in tax.  That is 6%. 

 

My only problem with them is they list stuff and don't have it or it's been discontinued by the manufacturer. 

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Daniel Eiland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 9/4/21 7:34 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes? 

 

FYI, I went to JEGS website to order some parts and noticed a problem with the tax calculation on the bill. When I looked into it further I realized they had added an extra dollar to the state tax. I went on their chat line but they were no help They referred me to their tax site where I could post my issue but that is it. You have to be careful because they just increased the tax due without saying they were collecting more than what the state tax really is if you calculate it out yourself. The person on their chat site said he couldn't correct the issue and only left me the option of contacting their email site to their tax office. I imagine the company is collecting millions of dollars under the premise of taxes when it is not. Not sure who to report this practice too. Needless-to-say I did not purchase the parts. Anyone else noticed this practice before?

Sent from AT <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature&af_web_dp=https://more.att.com/currently/imap> &T Yahoo Mail on Android

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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Sep  5 11:23:46 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:23:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
References: <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I just finished looking at:?1) Sunbeam Specialties (Rick has the genuine cap)2) Bay US3) Ebay.co.UK4)Sunbeam Alpine West Midlands??I can't find a source for a new Girling stock plastic brake fluid reservoir??Any suggestions ??Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Sep  6 07:01:57 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 09:01:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
In-Reply-To: <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401d7a31f$608372e0$218a58a0$@bluefrog.com>

 <https://www.classicsunbeam.com/Brake-Parts_c5.htm> Brake Parts (classicsunbeam.com)

 

I see one listed here.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 1:24 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir

 

Hello,

I just finished looking at: 

1) Sunbeam Specialties (Rick has the genuine cap)

2) Bay US

3) Ebay.co.UK

4)Sunbeam Alpine West Midlands

 

 

I can't find a source for a new Girling stock plastic brake fluid reservoir 

 

Any suggestions ?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From deiland1 at att.net  Mon Sep  6 08:42:42 2021
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 14:42:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
In-Reply-To: <CA+8dKTuGsUg7nQX3LHeXwDC==4mm4C6MUE8s962_v-xiWJT3dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <982424261.1534462.1630798420423.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <982424261.1534462.1630798420423@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CA+8dKTuGsUg7nQX3LHeXwDC==4mm4C6MUE8s962_v-xiWJT3dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71387797.1723982.1630939362918@mail.yahoo.com>

I too have purchased a lot of parts from Summet and from JEGS and have never had an issue with either company.?
As I posted, this was an FYI, in order to warn people to confirm that the tax charge is correct. I have notified JEGS of the issue and I will just have to be patient while they look into the issue. Their office that handles this is only open M-F and it is a holiday today so I don't expect them to be there today.
Although most of us have probably bought parts from these companies in the past without issues, this issue only goes to show that we should be more diligent and check the bill before hitting pay.

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Sep  6 11:24:24 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 17:24:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
In-Reply-To: <001401d7a31f$608372e0$218a58a0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001401d7a31f$608372e0$218a58a0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <56243805.1745085.1630949064990@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Ron?BTW: have the old Victoria British parts showed up yet on Moss's site? I've looked but haven't seen them?Jim Armstrong??In a message dated 9/6/2021 9:02:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:?

Brake Parts (classicsunbeam.com)

?

I see one listed here.

?

Ron Fraser

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 1:24 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir

?

Hello,

I just finished looking at:?

1) Sunbeam Specialties (Rick has the genuine cap)

2) Bay US

3) Ebay.co.UK

4)Sunbeam Alpine West Midlands

?

?

I can't find a source for a new Girling stock plastic brake fluid reservoir?

?

Any suggestions ?

?

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 11:59:22 2021
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 13:59:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
In-Reply-To: <56243805.1745085.1630949064990@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001401d7a31f$608372e0$218a58a0$@bluefrog.com>
 <56243805.1745085.1630949064990@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+DpG66MMpkkq8ceKxcJjy5X6mfMaDpCP8bSx2HuzuHisoY3Rw@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed, I think Moss is only interested only in MG, Triumph, Morris, etc,
the British Leyland related stuff.  And Miatas too, but that doesn't help
us much.

Stu

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:25 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Thanks Ron
>
> BTW: have the old Victoria British parts showed up yet on Moss's site?
> I've looked but haven't seen them
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/2021 9:02:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:
>
>
> Brake Parts (classicsunbeam.com)
> <https://www.classicsunbeam.com/Brake-Parts_c5.htm>
>
>
>
> I see one listed here.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *James
> Armstrong via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2021 1:24 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I just finished looking at:
>
> 1) Sunbeam Specialties (Rick has the genuine cap)
>
> 2) Bay US
>
> 3) Ebay.co.UK
>
> 4)Sunbeam Alpine West Midlands
>
>
>
>
>
> I can't find a source for a new *Girling* stock plastic brake fluid
> reservoir
>
>
>
> Any suggestions ?
>
>
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Mk 1A
>
> 382002083 LRXFE
>
> Code 86
>
> TAC # 0763
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Sep  6 12:58:12 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 14:58:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
In-Reply-To: <56243805.1745085.1630949064990@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1449151614.1601456.1630862626460@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001401d7a31f$608372e0$218a58a0$@bluefrog.com>
 <56243805.1745085.1630949064990@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901d7a351$24c94e50$6e5beaf0$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

                I have no idea if Moss is going to add Sunbeam to their list.

Very little info is available.   VB was part of LMC Trucks so the question is did they only sell the inventory or the building too.

 

You would have to write Moss and ask if they intend to support Sunbeam parts.

 

Support our known Sunbeam Parts Dealers 1st

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2021 1:24 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir

 

Thanks Ron

 

BTW: have the old Victoria British parts showed up yet on Moss's site? I've looked but haven't seen them

 

Jim Armstrong

 

 

In a message dated 9/6/2021 9:02:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>  writes: 

 

Brake Parts (classicsunbeam.com) <https://www.classicsunbeam.com/Brake-Parts_c5.htm> 

 

I see one listed here.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 1:24 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir

 

Hello,

I just finished looking at: 

1) Sunbeam Specialties (Rick has the genuine cap)

2) Bay US

3) Ebay.co.UK

4)Sunbeam Alpine West Midlands

 

 

I can't find a source for a new Girling stock plastic brake fluid reservoir 

 

Any suggestions ?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep  6 12:59:08 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 11:59:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
In-Reply-To: <CA+8dKTuGsUg7nQX3LHeXwDC==4mm4C6MUE8s962_v-xiWJT3dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <982424261.1534462.1630798420423.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <982424261.1534462.1630798420423@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CA+8dKTuGsUg7nQX3LHeXwDC==4mm4C6MUE8s962_v-xiWJT3dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901d7a351$47b37260$d71a5720$@mayfco.com>

Ditto, 

Larry

TWFS 210.779 mph exit speed

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark Rense
Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 7:47 AM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?

 

I buy exclusively from Summit. No tax issues, price match for everything, stock quantities are accurate and next day delivery for my zip code. Plus their customer service has bent over backwards for me on a couple occasions. I?ve built at least ten engines using Summit as the main parts source.  

 

Bugz

 

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 7:34 PM Daniel Eiland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

FYI, I went to JEGS website to order some parts and noticed a problem with the tax calculation on the bill. When I looked into it further I realized they had added an extra dollar to the state tax. I went on their chat line but they were no help. They referred me to their tax site where I could post my issue but that is it. You have to be careful because they just increased the tax due without saying they were collecting more than what the state tax really is if you calculate it out yourself. The person on their chat site said he couldn't correct the issue and only left me the option of contacting their email site to their tax office. I imagine the company is collecting millions of dollars under the premise of taxes when it is not. Not sure who to report this practice too. Needless-to-say I did not purchase the parts. Anyone else noticed this practice before?

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From rsdslp at juno.com  Wed Sep  8 10:40:51 2021
From: rsdslp at juno.com (rsdslp at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2021 09:40:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 11:07:41 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:07:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
In-Reply-To: <24e5e20e-768d-40e9-beb4-1922a519b474@email.android.com>
References: <CA+DpG66MMpkkq8ceKxcJjy5X6mfMaDpCP8bSx2HuzuHisoY3Rw@mail.gmail.com>
 <24e5e20e-768d-40e9-beb4-1922a519b474@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnYi-86uUd=6rC2XbDH7OPRuyV5+ZdVQtwSc_ko8Qr9=Q@mail.gmail.com>

So I wonder what happened to all of the Sunbeam stuff they had.  Do we have
another source for windshields?

Thanks,
Joe

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:51 AM rsdslp--- via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Moss also recently purchased XKs Unlimited and managed to screw up the
> Jaguar parts listing too. Seems like they are following the Microsoft model
> of buying out all potential competition then screwing up the product.
>
> On Sep 6, 2021 10:59 AM, Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed, I think Moss is only interested only in MG, Triumph, Morris, etc,
> the British Leyland related stuff.  And Miatas too, but that doesn't help
> us much.
>
> Stu
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:25 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ron
>
> BTW: have the old Victoria British parts showed up yet on Moss's site?
> I've looked but haven't seen them
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/2021 9:02:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:
>
>
> Brake Parts (classicsunbeam.com)
> <https://www.classicsunbeam.com/Brake-Parts_c5.htm>
>
>
>
> I see one listed here.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *James
> Armstrong via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2021 1:24 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I just finished looking at:
>
> 1) Sunbeam Specialties (Rick has the genuine cap)
>
> 2) Bay US
>
> 3) Ebay.co.UK
>
> 4)Sunbeam Alpine West Midlands
>
>
>
>
>
> I can't find a source for a new *Girling* stock plastic brake fluid
> reservoir
>
>
>
> Any suggestions ?
>
>
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Mk 1A
>
> 382002083 LRXFE
>
> Code 86
>
> TAC # 0763
>
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>
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Sep  8 16:51:31 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 15:51:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir (Moss Motors...
 windshields)
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfnYi-86uUd=6rC2XbDH7OPRuyV5+ZdVQtwSc_ko8Qr9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+DpG66MMpkkq8ceKxcJjy5X6mfMaDpCP8bSx2HuzuHisoY3Rw@mail.gmail.com>
 <24e5e20e-768d-40e9-beb4-1922a519b474@email.android.com>
 <CAKb_wfnYi-86uUd=6rC2XbDH7OPRuyV5+ZdVQtwSc_ko8Qr9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0b4a86da-f269-197c-aafc-241287c4bd22@verizon.net>

Joe Brown:/"Do we have another source for windshields?"/

This is a looming problem for not just Tigers, but the collector car 
world as a whole. Most people don't consider the need..., until they 
have the need. My understanding is windshields are made in batches..., 
as there is need. So, if the volume is not there to spark the 
manufacturer to? do a "run" availability dwindles. I mean who wants to 
manufacture a fragile, large product and then sit on it for years until 
YOU need it?

About 8 years ago I was looking for a windshield for my 1964 Studebaker 
Daytona. There was ONE vendor in the mid-west (I'm west coast) that had 
ONE windshield in stock. When I asked if they were going to get more the 
owner replied, "Not likely." That windshield would have cost me over 
$600+ delivered. In the end I bought a used windshield that had 
scratches and? bull's-eye but at least it wasn't broken. In fact to 
cover myself I bought two at $100 each. I then spent 10 hours making a 
cradle to securely fit both windshields in my son's Honda Civic as it 
was a 400 mile trip from where they were. And as it was these were 
station wagon windshields that the seller cut a 1/2" section out to fit 
the sedan.? So, yea, sometimes it comes to measures such as that.

In this day and age of lasers and CNC you would think that windshield 
reproduction might be more practical. Or that modern plastics could 
replace glass as a means of making windshields available and reasonably 
priced. I saw on Wheeler Dealer how they cut a windshield for a Saab out 
of a late model Impala windshield. But the wraparound nature of the 
Tiger windshield negates that route. I didn't mean to ramble but least 
anyone be taken by surprise somewhere down the road ... . Hopefully not 
but the way businesses are changing you never know.
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 16:58:39 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 15:58:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir (Moss Motors...
 windshields)
In-Reply-To: <0b4a86da-f269-197c-aafc-241287c4bd22@verizon.net>
References: <CA+DpG66MMpkkq8ceKxcJjy5X6mfMaDpCP8bSx2HuzuHisoY3Rw@mail.gmail.com>
 <24e5e20e-768d-40e9-beb4-1922a519b474@email.android.com>
 <CAKb_wfnYi-86uUd=6rC2XbDH7OPRuyV5+ZdVQtwSc_ko8Qr9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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FWIW, Moss did contact Sunbeam Specialties to see if they would buy the VB Sunbeam stuff, and they declined.  Not sure if anything happened after that.  But, I really don?t care because VB stuff has proven to be bad time and time again.  So I hope it doesn?t end up with our better suppliers.

On the windshield, I bought a new windshield about 24 years ago.  I still have it on the car. But it did not fit the same.  The glass was a tad thinner than original.  I could put the original on and everything would fit, including the rubber and the stainless steel.  But when I put on the new one, it did not sit the same and the stainless would not fit right.  I ended up having to trim the stainless to fit.  Believe me, I went through it many times, back and forth, trying to solve it differently.  Fortunately it was ?only? my Alpine.  

Just something to think about when looking for replacement glass.  My original Alpine glass was scratched and slightly delaminating.  The ?new? glass is still fine.  But, I don?t know that I would file down any stainless at this point.  On the other hand, it seems beggars can?t be choosers.



> On Sep 8, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Joe Brown: "Do we have another source for windshields?"
> 
> This is a looming problem for not just Tigers, but the collector car world as a whole. Most people don't consider the need..., until they have the need. My understanding is windshields are made in batches..., as there is need. So, if the volume is not there to spark the manufacturer to  do a "run" availability dwindles. I mean who wants to manufacture a fragile, large product and then sit on it for years until YOU need it? 
> 
> About 8 years ago I was looking for a windshield for my 1964 Studebaker Daytona. There was ONE vendor in the mid-west (I'm west coast) that had ONE windshield in stock. When I asked if they were going to get more the owner replied, "Not likely." That windshield would have cost me over $600+ delivered. In the end I bought a used windshield that had scratches and  bull's-eye but at least it wasn't broken. In fact to cover myself I bought two at $100 each. I then spent 10 hours making a cradle to securely fit both windshields in my son's Honda Civic as it was a 400 mile trip from where they were. And as it was these were station wagon windshields that the seller cut a 1/2" section out to fit the sedan.  So, yea, sometimes it comes to measures such as that.
> 
> In this day and age of lasers and CNC you would think that windshield reproduction might be more practical. Or that modern plastics could replace glass as a means of making windshields available and reasonably priced. I saw on Wheeler Dealer how they cut a windshield for a Saab out of a late model Impala windshield. But the wraparound nature of the Tiger windshield negates that route. I didn't mean to ramble but least anyone be taken by surprise somewhere down the road ... . Hopefully not but the way businesses are changing you never know.
> 
> 
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep  8 19:48:33 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 21:48:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir (Moss Motors...
 windshields)
In-Reply-To: <4290F686-FF4C-403F-AE3C-01582E4AE1CB@gmail.com>
References: <CA+DpG66MMpkkq8ceKxcJjy5X6mfMaDpCP8bSx2HuzuHisoY3Rw@mail.gmail.com>
 <24e5e20e-768d-40e9-beb4-1922a519b474@email.android.com>
 <CAKb_wfnYi-86uUd=6rC2XbDH7OPRuyV5+ZdVQtwSc_ko8Qr9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <0b4a86da-f269-197c-aafc-241287c4bd22@verizon.net>
 <4290F686-FF4C-403F-AE3C-01582E4AE1CB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0haDBiu5FidrUVCG-5ysnT8w9yNpMKbx0z0jGJjyDbepNw@mail.gmail.com>

I know this isn't *just* about windshields but these guys claim to have
windshields in stock and ready to ship:
Rootesparts <http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm>

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 6:58 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:

> FWIW, Moss did contact Sunbeam Specialties to see if they would buy the VB
> Sunbeam stuff, and they declined.  Not sure if anything happened after
> that.  But, I really don?t care because VB stuff has proven to be bad time
> and time again.  So I hope it doesn?t end up with our better suppliers.
>
> On the windshield, I bought a new windshield about 24 years ago.  I still
> have it on the car. But it did not fit the same.  The glass was a tad
> thinner than original.  I could put the original on and everything would
> fit, including the rubber and the stainless steel.  But when I put on the
> new one, it did not sit the same and the stainless would not fit right.  I
> ended up having to trim the stainless to fit.  Believe me, I went through
> it many times, back and forth, trying to solve it differently.  Fortunately
> it was ?only? my Alpine.
>
> Just something to think about when looking for replacement glass.  My
> original Alpine glass was scratched and slightly delaminating.  The ?new?
> glass is still fine.  But, I don?t know that I would file down any
> stainless at this point.  On the other hand, it seems beggars can?t be
> choosers.
>
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Joe Brown:* "Do we have another source for windshields?"*
>
> This is a looming problem for not just Tigers, but the collector car world
> as a whole. Most people don't consider the need..., until they have the
> need. My understanding is windshields are made in batches..., as there is
> need. So, if the volume is not there to spark the manufacturer to  do a
> "run" availability dwindles. I mean who wants to manufacture a fragile,
> large product and then sit on it for years until YOU need it?
>
> About 8 years ago I was looking for a windshield for my 1964 Studebaker
> Daytona. There was ONE vendor in the mid-west (I'm west coast) that had ONE
> windshield in stock. When I asked if they were going to get more the owner
> replied, "Not likely." That windshield would have cost me over $600+
> delivered. In the end I bought a used windshield that had scratches and
> bull's-eye but at least it wasn't broken. In fact to cover myself I bought
> two at $100 each. I then spent 10 hours making a cradle to securely fit
> both windshields in my son's Honda Civic as it was a 400 mile trip from
> where they were. And as it was these were station wagon windshields that
> the seller cut a 1/2" section out to fit the sedan.  So, yea, sometimes it
> comes to measures such as that.
>
> In this day and age of lasers and CNC you would think that windshield
> reproduction might be more practical. Or that modern plastics could replace
> glass as a means of making windshields available and reasonably priced. I
> saw on Wheeler Dealer how they cut a windshield for a Saab out of a late
> model Impala windshield. But the wraparound nature of the Tiger windshield
> negates that route. I didn't mean to ramble but least anyone be taken by
> surprise somewhere down the road ... . Hopefully not but the way businesses
> are changing you never know.
>
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>
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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  9 02:34:36 2021
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim Buster)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 01:34:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Girling brake master reservoir (Moss Motors...
 windshields)
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0haDBiu5FidrUVCG-5ysnT8w9yNpMKbx0z0jGJjyDbepNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRx0haDBiu5FidrUVCG-5ysnT8w9yNpMKbx0z0jGJjyDbepNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D5A8E3E-B591-46B1-AEEF-CB2FB585ED4B@yahoo.com>

Regarding windshields, I got mine from Pilkington a couple of years ago and the rubber from Rick. The thickness of the glass seems good. YMMV 

> On Sep 8, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Will Seay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I know this isn't just about windshields but these guys claim to have windshields in stock and ready to ship: 
> Rootesparts
> 
> Will - 382001570 
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 6:58 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> FWIW, Moss did contact Sunbeam Specialties to see if they would buy the VB Sunbeam stuff, and they declined.  Not sure if anything happened after that.  But, I really don?t care because VB stuff has proven to be bad time and time again.  So I hope it doesn?t end up with our better suppliers.
>> 
>> On the windshield, I bought a new windshield about 24 years ago.  I still have it on the car. But it did not fit the same.  The glass was a tad thinner than original.  I could put the original on and everything would fit, including the rubber and the stainless steel.  But when I put on the new one, it did not sit the same and the stainless would not fit right.  I ended up having to trim the stainless to fit.  Believe me, I went through it many times, back and forth, trying to solve it differently.  Fortunately it was ?only? my Alpine.  
>> 
>> Just something to think about when looking for replacement glass.  My original Alpine glass was scratched and slightly delaminating.  The ?new? glass is still fine.  But, I don?t know that I would file down any stainless at this point.  On the other hand, it seems beggars can?t be choosers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joe Brown: "Do we have another source for windshields?"
>>> 
>>> This is a looming problem for not just Tigers, but the collector car world as a whole. Most people don't consider the need..., until they have the need. My understanding is windshields are made in batches..., as there is need. So, if the volume is not there to spark the manufacturer to  do a "run" availability dwindles. I mean who wants to manufacture a fragile, large product and then sit on it for years until YOU need it? 
>>> 
>>> About 8 years ago I was looking for a windshield for my 1964 Studebaker Daytona. There was ONE vendor in the mid-west (I'm west coast) that had ONE windshield in stock. When I asked if they were going to get more the owner replied, "Not likely." That windshield would have cost me over $600+ delivered. In the end I bought a used windshield that had scratches and  bull's-eye but at least it wasn't broken. In fact to cover myself I bought two at $100 each. I then spent 10 hours making a cradle to securely fit both windshields in my son's Honda Civic as it was a 400 mile trip from where they were. And as it was these were station wagon windshields that the seller cut a 1/2" section out to fit the sedan.  So, yea, sometimes it comes to measures such as that.
>>> 
>>> In this day and age of lasers and CNC you would think that windshield reproduction might be more practical. Or that modern plastics could replace glass as a means of making windshields available and reasonably priced. I saw on Wheeler Dealer how they cut a windshield for a Saab out of a late model Impala windshield. But the wraparound nature of the Tiger windshield negates that route. I didn't mean to ramble but least anyone be taken by surprise somewhere down the road ... . Hopefully not but the way businesses are changing you never know.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Thu Sep  9 12:50:19 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2021 14:50:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size
Message-ID: <mailman.17.1631213438.5552.tigers@autox.team.net>

Does anyone know the dimensions and design for the correct LAT lug nuts.? I know they are 7/16 - 20, but I need to know the length of the hex head and total length. I have several with different head designs and length that came with my wheels.? I would like to know what is correct.? I know the washer is 1-1/16 x 11/16 x 1/8Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From deiland1 at att.net  Thu Sep  9 14:07:01 2021
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 20:07:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] FYI: Is JEGS overcharging taxes?
In-Reply-To: <002901d7a351$47b37260$d71a5720$@mayfco.com>
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In Texas the sales tax is 6.25% and the counties can add up to 2% on top of the state for a maximum sales tax of 8.25%. So, in Texas the sales tax will vary from a minimum of 6.25% to a maximum sales tax of 8.25% depending on what county you are in.
I finally got in touch with a JEGS sales rep who explained that they have been charging tax on the total cost of the sale plus the cost of shipping since 2019, when the laws changed.
They have standard shipping costs up to $200 and purchases over $200 ship free. I've probably never paid shipping on any of my past orders so this topic has never come up before.
Based on what they are telling me, they charged me 8.25% tax on the total cost of the sale plus the shipping. This would be correct based on how they handle taxes.
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Sep 10 12:51:06 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:51:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size
In-Reply-To: <20210909185106.C1713A0DB5@autox.team.net>
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I have a set of lat wheel with lugs I purchased in or about 1968 from Mr. R.G. Wheatley  in SoCal. The lug nuts from that is certainly different that any of these. These look like they are aftermarket non LAT lug nuts.  Attached is a photo of what I believe to be very original since I bought them back in the day from a place that was selling Sunbeam cars etc. The shank and the very top or end is the same diameter with the hex machined area. A large non detachable washer is on the lug. 

 

Larry

Aka mayf

Aka drmayf

TWFS 210.779 mph Bonneville exit speed, 

But less than top speed, lol (only running at 6200 rpm, redline was at 7000) but ran out out of course, lol?

Estimated top speed would have been around 238 mph??way too fast for an old geezer like myself?driving a 90 inch wheel base car?

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 11:50 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size

 

Does anyone know the dimensions and design for the correct LAT lug nuts.  I know they are 7/16 - 20, but I need to know the length of the hex head and total length. I have several with different head designs and length that came with my wheels.  I would like to know what is correct.  I know the washer is 1-1/16 x 11/16 x 1/8

 

Jim D

 

 

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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 13:37:03 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 14:37:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size
In-Reply-To: <000401d7a674$d1b49950$751dcbf0$@mayfco.com>
References: <20210909185106.C1713A0DB5@autox.team.net>
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Hi,
The lug nuts in Larry's photo seem to match up with what I have.  I bought
my car from the original owner and it had the original LAT70 wheels.  I
upgraded my wheels but I kept the old ones along with the lug nuts.  So I
pulled one out and made some measurements that I rounded off to the nearest
1/100".
[image: Lug Nut.jpg]
Have Fun,
Joe Brown

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 1:53 PM Larry Mayfield via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have a set of lat wheel with lugs I purchased in or about 1968 from Mr.
> R.G. Wheatley  in SoCal. The lug nuts from that is certainly different that
> any of these. These look like they are aftermarket non LAT lug nuts.
> Attached is a photo of what I believe to be very original since I bought
> them back in the day from a place that was selling Sunbeam cars etc. The
> shank and the very top or end is the same diameter with the hex machined
> area. A large non detachable washer is on the lug.
>
>
>
> Larry
>
> Aka mayf
>
> Aka drmayf
>
> TWFS 210.779 mph Bonneville exit speed,
>
> But less than top speed, lol (only running at 6200 rpm, redline was at
> 7000) but ran out out of course, lol?
>
> Estimated top speed would have been around 238 mph??way too fast for an
> old geezer like myself?driving a 90 inch wheel base car?
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *jimdamelio
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 9, 2021 11:50 AM
> *To:* tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size
>
>
>
> Does anyone know the dimensions and design for the correct LAT lug nuts.
> I know they are 7/16 - 20, but I need to know the length of the hex head
> and total length. I have several with different head designs and length
> that came with my wheels.  I would like to know what is correct.  I know
> the washer is 1-1/16 x 11/16 x 1/8
>
>
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Sep 10 14:08:53 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 16:08:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size
In-Reply-To: <000401d7a674$d1b49950$751dcbf0$@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.18.1631304538.5552.tigers@autox.team.net>

Thanks for responding Larry.? I wasn't sure if any of mine were correct.? Looking at what's available now, it seems the style you have are more readily available.? Now to find them with the attached washer.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> Date: 9/10/21  2:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, 'Tiger List Serve' <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: RE: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size I have a set of lat wheel with lugs I purchased in or about 1968 from Mr. R.G. Wheatley? in SoCal. The lug nuts from that is certainly different that any of these. These look like they are aftermarket non LAT lug nuts. ?Attached is a photo of what I believe to be very original since I bought them back in the day from a place that was selling Sunbeam cars etc. The shank and the very top or end is the same diameter with the hex machined area. A large non detachable washer is on the lug. ?LarryAka mayfAka drmayfTWFS 210.779 mph Bonneville exit speed, But less than top speed, lol (only running at 6200 rpm, redline was at 7000) but ran out out of course, lol?Estimated top speed would have been around 238 mph??way too fast for an old geezer like myself?driving a 90 inch wheel base car??From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 11:50 AMTo: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size?Does anyone know the dimensions and design for the correct LAT lug nuts.? I know they are 7/16 - 20, but I need to know the length of the hex head and total length. I have several with different head designs and length that came with my wheels.? I would like to know what is correct.? I know the washer is 1-1/16 x 11/16 x 1/8?Jim D??Sent from my Galaxy?
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Sep 10 14:10:36 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 16:10:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfmOYsan4oks0t-ouJg6xXG8gLr-V3HiXTu-Dh2Psz1yKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.19.1631304639.5552.tigers@autox.team.net>

Thanks Joe.? That will help a lot.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> Date: 9/10/21  3:37 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> Cc: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size Hi,The lug nuts in Larry's photo seem to match up with what I have.? I bought my car from the original owner and it had the original LAT70 wheels.? I upgraded my wheels but I kept the old ones along with the lug nuts.? So I pulled one out and made some measurements that I rounded off to the nearest 1/100".Have Fun,Joe BrownOn Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 1:53 PM Larry Mayfield via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:I have a set of lat wheel with lugs I purchased in or about 1968 from Mr. R.G. Wheatley? in SoCal. The lug nuts from that is certainly different that any of these. These look like they are aftermarket non LAT lug nuts.? Attached is a photo of what I believe to be very original since I bought them back in the day from a place that was selling Sunbeam cars etc. The shank and the very top or end is the same diameter with the hex machined area. A large non detachable washer is on the lug. ?LarryAka mayfAka drmayfTWFS 210779 mph Bonneville exit speed, But less than top speed, lol (only running at 6200 rpm, redline was at 7000) but ran out out of course, lol?Estimated top speed would have been around 238 mph??way too fast for an old geezer like myself?driving a 90 inch wheel base car??From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 11:50 AMTo: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: [Tigers] LAT Lug Nut Size?Does anyone know the dimensions and design for the correct LAT lug nuts.? I know they are 7/16 - 20, but I need to know the length of the hex head and total length. I have several with different head designs and length that came with my wheels.? I would like to know what is correct.? I know the washer is 1-1/16 x 11/16 x 1/8?Jim D??Sent from my Galaxy?_______________________________________________

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From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Wed Sep 15 12:00:56 2021
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Darrell Mountjoy)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 11:00:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest
Message-ID: <0cf801d7aa5b$ad16afd0$07440f70$@cox.net>

All,

It has come to my attention that automotive journalist, Ethan Jupp, has
recently suggested in his article of Sept 14th, 2021 titled: Seven
Sportscars to See at the 2021 [Goodwood] Revival, my car, Sunbeam Lister
Tiger ADU 180B, will be on the grid at Goodwood.
http://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2021/9/seven-spo
rtscars-to-see-at-2021-revival/?fbcclidlwAR0y5p1NcmQK1FQlelRN6ljz15xQuzJr-94
CrqmqWqZaQlczw4wWgLlrSnQ .  This information is false.

I can only assume what he is referring to is, which in addition to my sister
race car, Tony Eckford's ADU 179B Sunbeam Lister Tiger (as a regular at the
event), that Mr. Jupp is referring to Richard Squire's recent acquisition of
the 7734 KV car, the "mule" used by Rootes Group during test week at Le Mans
in April before the June 1964 24 Heures du Mans event.

If, in fact, Tony and Richard's cars are both entered in the 2021 Goodwood
Revival this coming weekend, I wish them, their drivers and the cars the
best of luck.

Darrell Mountjoy
Caretaker of ADU 180B



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From coolvt at aol.com  Sun Sep 19 08:18:40 2021
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 14:18:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Tender
References: <102842770.2002941.1632061120381.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Has anyone found a good replacement for the "Battery Tender" ?? ?I've had failure on a? 15 yr. old model and a 6 yr. old model fail.? ?Mark L

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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sun Sep 19 15:03:48 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 14:03:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Tender
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I have three of them.  No failures.  But then, I'm one of those guys who
hasn't had a Pertronix failure either.  Maybe they're both flukes.
?

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:19 AM coolvt--- via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

>
>
> *Has anyone found a good replacement for the "Battery Tender" ?   I've had
> failure on a  15 yr. old model and a 6 yr. old model fail.   Mark L*
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From coolvt at aol.com  Sun Sep 19 16:20:08 2021
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 22:20:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Tender
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I've had 2 out of 5 fail.? But, as I reported, one was 15 yrs old.....so might have to expect it.

In a message dated 9/19/2021 5:04:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay.laifman at gmail.com writes:?I have three of them.? No failures.? But then, I'm one of those guys who hasn't had a Pertronix failure either.? Maybe they're both flukes.??
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:19 AM coolvt--- via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
Has anyone found a good replacement for the "Battery Tender" ?? ?I've had failure on a? 15 yr. old model and a 6 yr. old model fail.? ?Mark L

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Sep 19 17:40:37 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:40:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Tender
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Mark

                I only have Schumacher battery charges ? 1 is a 2/10/50 amp and the other is a 1.5A trickle charge with no problems.

I do see Schumacher has Battery Tender style and size chargers available but I have no experience with them.

 

Any chance Battery Tender has a service or replacement policy for the failed chargers?

 

I see a number of YouTube videos on how to fix a failed Battery Tender ? looks like the heat of operation kills the capacitor for most of them.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of coolvt--- via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 10:19 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Tender

 

Has anyone found a good replacement for the "Battery Tender" ?   I've had failure on a  15 yr. old model and a 6 yr. old model fail.   Mark L

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From coolvt at aol.com  Sun Sep 19 17:53:57 2021
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 23:53:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Tender
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References: <102842770.2002941.1632061120381.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I think BT has a 5 year warranty, but I'm beyond that on both failed units. Will check on Schumacher.? Think that what I have for a 48 volt charger? (golf cart bztteries ).

Mark?In a message dated 9/19/2021 7:40:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:?
Mark

??????????????? I only have Schumacher battery charges ? 1 is a 2/10/50 amp and the other is a 1.5A trickle charge with no problems.

I do see Schumacher has Battery Tender style and size chargers available but I have no experience with them.

?

Any chance Battery Tender has a service or replacement policy for the failed chargers?

?

I see a number of YouTube videos on how to fix a failed Battery Tender ? looks like the heat of operation kills the capacitor for most of them.

?

Ron Fraser

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of coolvt--- via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 10:19 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
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Has anyone found a good replacement for the "Battery Tender" ?? ?I've had failure on a? 15 yr. old model and a 6 yr. old model fail.? ?Mark L
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From lon at sedona.net  Sun Sep 19 20:32:59 2021
From: lon at sedona.net (Lon Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:32:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Tenders
Message-ID: <000001d7adc7$d451d970$7cf58c50$@sedona.net>

Granite. Had mine for over 15 years.  Full line of tenders. Good folks. At
all major car events from Auctions to SEMA. Been flawless.

Lon


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From coolvt at aol.com  Sun Sep 19 20:45:00 2021
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 02:45:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Tenders
In-Reply-To: <000001d7adc7$d451d970$7cf58c50$@sedona.net>
References: <000001d7adc7$d451d970$7cf58c50$@sedona.net>
Message-ID: <1419513324.2134439.1632105900382@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you.Will look at them.

In a message dated 9/19/2021 10:35:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?Granite. Had mine for over 15 years.? Full line of tenders. Good folks. Atall major car events from Auctions to SEMA. Been flawless.?Lon??----_______________________________________________?tigers at autox.team.net?Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive?Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com??
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon Sep 20 12:09:50 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 14:09:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
Message-ID: <833BE50B-4F27-4658-ABC7-30F1844B125B@cox.net>

Hi All
Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.

At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.

Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.

Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.

Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.

I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.

Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.

Thanks
Jim

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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep 20 19:15:49 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
In-Reply-To: <833BE50B-4F27-4658-ABC7-30F1844B125B@cox.net>
References: <833BE50B-4F27-4658-ABC7-30F1844B125B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hbiawA+Xz5yfELSpxtLhUryYqqqcmA4dNV8+BwJ0cMQBg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
I think that what they're talking about when they say "headlight ground" is
the weird double-ground connector that is used to ground the two ground
leads from the light harness.  I have attached a picture of one.  This one
is broken.  It should be symmetrical with a loop on each end.  These loops
accept the barrel connectors from the headlight and signal/parking-light
harnesses.  There's one on each side and it mounts using the threaded stud
from the rubber bumper for the hood.  This is a pretty rare part.  I
checked the British Wiring website and couldn't find it.  Maybe if you
contact them and email the picture they can help you.  Otherwise, you may
have to cannibalize a parts car.  Good luck..

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 2:09 PM James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi All
> Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID
> concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent
> event.
>
> At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am
> starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me
> down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.
>
> Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says
> Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original
> headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual
> connection.
>
> Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment
> says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal
> was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were
> really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make
> contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include
> fasteners.
>
> Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges
> did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position
> would really help. Dimensions also a help.
>
> I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk
> hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original
> fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the
> judges talking about these items.
>
> Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and
> beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any
> guidance is appreciated.
> I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live
> with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.
>
> Thanks
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Sep 20 19:28:48 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:28:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
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Moss Motors carries them. Part # 542-490$6.89 ea.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Will Seay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 9/20/21  9:16 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration Jim,I think that what they're talking about when they say "headlight ground" is the weird?double-ground connector?that is used to ground the two ground leads from the light harness.? I have attached a picture of one.? This one is broken.? It should be symmetrical with a loop on each end.? These loops accept the barrel connectors from the headlight and signal/parking-light harnesses.? There's one on each side and it mounts using the threaded stud from the rubber bumper for the hood.? This is a pretty rare part.? I checked the British Wiring website and couldn't find it.? Maybe if you contact them and email the picture they can help you.? Otherwise, you may have to cannibalize?a parts car.? Good luck..Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.comOn Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 2:09 PM James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:Hi All
Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.

At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.

Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.

Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.

Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.

I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.

Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.

Thanks
Jim

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From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon Sep 20 19:38:45 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:38:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0hbiawA+Xz5yfELSpxtLhUryYqqqcmA4dNV8+BwJ0cMQBg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <92291E4F-DE08-40B7-A499-9C46636C6EDA@cox.net>

Will, Jim, Ron

Excellent info.Thanks.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jim,
> I think that what they're talking about when they say "headlight ground" is the weird double-ground connector that is used to ground the two ground leads from the light harness.  I have attached a picture of one.  This one is broken.  It should be symmetrical with a loop on each end.  These loops accept the barrel connectors from the headlight and signal/parking-light harnesses.  There's one on each side and it mounts using the threaded stud from the rubber bumper for the hood.  This is a pretty rare part.  I checked the British Wiring website and couldn't find it.  Maybe if you contact them and email the picture they can help you.  Otherwise, you may have to cannibalize a parts car.  Good luck..
> 
> Will - 382001570 
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 2:09 PM James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:
>> Hi All
>> Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.
>> 
>> At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.
>> 
>> Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.
>> 
>> Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.
>> 
>> Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.
>> 
>> I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.
>> 
>> Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
>> I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Sep 20 21:25:24 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 20:25:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI concours
Message-ID: <19431ECC-4324-482E-A581-C7BDFE682A3F@comcast.net>

Here are some quick pics from my less than
perfect Tiger.  The battery has two wood
strips, one underneath (I see mine is
slipping out!).  Trunk buffer (I think what this
is called) has slotted mounts but should be
covered by a screw/washer.. mine seems to
have lost a screw!  Maybe they mean the 
gasket between the hinge and the lid on the
exterior.  My mount hardware is correct but
I think it should be painted with the body?
Hopefully these photos come through,
Gary

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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 21:59:06 2021
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 03:59:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
In-Reply-To: <92291E4F-DE08-40B7-A499-9C46636C6EDA@cox.net>
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 <92291E4F-DE08-40B7-A499-9C46636C6EDA@cox.net>
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The book of Norman, p.160 says regarding trunk hinge gaskets."Exterior door handle, wiper bezel and deck lid hinge gaskets were oiled paper and did not show."CheersB?
Brian Glenn
 P.O. Box 578
 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
 B9470208LRXFE GT
 B9471101LRXFE 
 B9472615LRXFE 
 B382000846LRXFE 
 B382001212LRXFE 

    On Monday, September 20, 2021, 06:39:06 PM PDT, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:  
 
 Will, Jim, Ron
Excellent info.Thanks.
Jim

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:



?Jim,I think that what they're talking about when they say "headlight ground" is the weird?double-ground connector?that is used to ground the two ground leads from the light harness.? I have attached a picture of one.? This one is broken.? It should be symmetrical with a loop on each end.? These loops accept the barrel connectors from the headlight and signal/parking-light harnesses.? There's one on each side and it mounts using the threaded stud from the rubber bumper for the hood.? This is a pretty rare part.? I checked the British Wiring website and couldn't find it.? Maybe if you contact them and email the picture they can help you.? Otherwise, you may have to cannibalize?a parts car.? Good luck..
Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 2:09 PM James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

Hi All
Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.

At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.

Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.

Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.

Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.

I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.

Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.

Thanks
Jim

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Sep 20 22:32:45 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:32:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
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Yup.
Looking down vertically they shouldn?t show,
from the side you should see them. 
I hand made mine in 1979, the hinges have
moved and been reset many times since,  so
they are showing too much but are still much
better than the replacement ?beaded? ones
a lot of guys are running.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The book of Norman, p.160 says regarding trunk hinge gaskets.
> "Exterior door handle, wiper bezel and deck lid hinge gaskets were oiled paper and did not show."
> Cheers
> B 
> 
> Brian Glenn
> P.O. Box 578
> Julian, CA 92036-0578
> 714.345.9883
> 
> B9470208LRXFE GT
> B9471101LRXFE 
> B9472615LRXFE 
> B382000846LRXFE 
> B382001212LRXFE
> 
> 
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021, 06:39:06 PM PDT, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Will, Jim, Ron
>> 
>> Excellent info.Thanks.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Jim,
>> I think that what they're talking about when they say "headlight ground" is the weird double-ground connector that is used to ground the two ground leads from the light harness.  I have attached a picture of one.  This one is broken.  It should be symmetrical with a loop on each end.  These loops accept the barrel connectors from the headlight and signal/parking-light harnesses.  There's one on each side and it mounts using the threaded stud from the rubber bumper for the hood.  This is a pretty rare part.  I checked the British Wiring website and couldn't find it.  Maybe if you contact them and email the picture they can help you.  Otherwise, you may have to cannibalize a parts car.  Good luck..
>> 
>> Will - 382001570 
>> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 2:09 PM James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:
>> Hi All
>> Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.
>> 
>> At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.
>> 
>> Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.
>> 
>> Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.
>> 
>> Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.
>> 
>> I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.
>> 
>> Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
>> I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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>> 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 09:38:04 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 11:38:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
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Jim,This picture is of my trunk hinge taken off my Tiger in 1977.? I put the screw and nuts back on after taking it off.? The parts book shows 1/4" screws, nuts and washers.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> Date: 9/20/21  9:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration Will, Jim, RonExcellent info.Thanks.JimSent from my iPadOn Sep 20, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:?Jim,I think that what they're talking about when they say "headlight ground" is the weird?double-ground connector?that is used to ground the two ground leads from the light harness.? I have attached a picture of one.? This one is broken.? It should be symmetrical with a loop on each end.? These loops accept the barrel connectors from the headlight and signal/parking-light harnesses.? There's one on each side and it mounts using the threaded stud from the rubber bumper for the hood.? This is a pretty rare part.? I checked the British Wiring website and couldn't find it.? Maybe if you contact them and email the picture they can help you.? Otherwise, you may have to cannibalize?a parts car.? Good luck..Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.comOn Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 2:09 PM James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:Hi All
Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.

At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.

Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.

Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.

Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.

I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.

Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.

Thanks
Jim

Sent from my iPad
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 14:34:27 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:34:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front sub frame
Message-ID: <CACQC2nXit6UEaCbPMeBxyu8GV4f5p4CrXV3YUWztv6PsQ8H0gA@mail.gmail.com>

Is the sub frame from the tiger and alpine the same other then the rack &
pinion mounts.  Just not sure myself.
Was there anything else different?    Beau
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Sep 21 15:44:07 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 14:44:07 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front sub frame
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nXit6UEaCbPMeBxyu8GV4f5p4CrXV3YUWztv6PsQ8H0gA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQC2nXit6UEaCbPMeBxyu8GV4f5p4CrXV3YUWztv6PsQ8H0gA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7B8A441-A3B6-4677-B14D-0CFBB090E0DF@comcast.net>

Also:
It is ?notched? for the rack
It doesn?t have engine mounts

Tom Hall and others can modify an Alpine
one for the Tiger.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:35 PM, Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Is the sub frame from the tiger and alpine the same other then the rack & pinion mounts.  Just not sure myself. 
> Was there anything else different?    Beau  
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 17:50:55 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:50:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front sub frame
In-Reply-To: <F7B8A441-A3B6-4677-B14D-0CFBB090E0DF@comcast.net>
References: <CACQC2nXit6UEaCbPMeBxyu8GV4f5p4CrXV3YUWztv6PsQ8H0gA@mail.gmail.com>
 <F7B8A441-A3B6-4677-B14D-0CFBB090E0DF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <150611169.39020.1632268255085@mail.yahoo.com>

I usually call it a crossmember, not sub-frame (?). But, yeah, Tom can do wonderful things regardless as to what you call it :)


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
To: Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger front sub frame

Also:
It is ?notched? for the rack
It doesn?t have engine mounts

Tom Hall and others can modify an Alpine
one for the Tiger.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:35 PM, Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Is the sub frame from the tiger and alpine the same other then the rack & pinion mounts.? Just not sure myself. 
> Was there anything else different?? ? Beau? 
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From h2otor at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 21:52:56 2021
From: h2otor at aol.com (John Watertor)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 03:52:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Two terminal ground connector
References: <607174831.512229.1632282776085.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <607174831.512229.1632282776085@mail.yahoo.com>

New two terminal ground terminals are available from "moss motors official site". part number 08-990 cost $6.89 each. I bought several for my Tiger and XKE after the original ones broke several years ago and before Jaguar XK's Unlimited was bought out by Moss Motors.John Watertor?
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 07:49:38 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:49:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
In-Reply-To: <833BE50B-4F27-4658-ABC7-30F1844B125B@cox.net>
References: <833BE50B-4F27-4658-ABC7-30F1844B125B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000001d7afb8$b07638a0$1162a9e0$@bluefrog.com>

I see good responses and pictures to Jim's questions.   I learned many new things with this thread; thanks to all for responding.

Jim and I responded privately about the oil filter hoses so I'm posting pictures of what I believe is an original oil filter hose from my Tiger.   The hose fitting and the ink stamp.  The ink stamp is mostly off white in color with touches of red or pink.

I thought there was someone on this List who was making correct oil filter hoses or am I wrong again.

Also when I was using the oil filter original parts - I painted the engine block adaptor black - this adaptor is cast steel or iron so I painted it.   Is black the correct original color?

More questions:

Somewhere, I believe I saw an article about the Battery Wood Spacer - somewhere is the big question.  It would be very nice to know these answers, these parts are not listed in the Parts List as far as I know.    Pictures, dimensions, type of wood
There is also the Battery Manifold Breather Tube c/w 6 plugs.

Fastener descriptions can mostly be looked up in the  Alpine Parts List, Section ZY, you need all the Alpine Parts List issues for complete coverage.
Generally, there is a good description of fasteners in the Tiger Parts Lists with each part.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Lindner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

Hi All
Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.

At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.

Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.

Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.

Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.

I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.

Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.

Thanks
Jim

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From dan_doornbos at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 22 08:57:21 2021
From: dan_doornbos at hotmail.com (daniel doornbos)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:57:21 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sub Frame or Cross member
Message-ID: <SN1PR18MB217514F41324524EAD802E07FDA29@SN1PR18MB2175.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

FYI:  I Have one of Mike H's mustang II cross members in my tiger.  I have the original complete cross-member outside the car that I'm willing to part with if anyone has an interest.  It has been tweaked from the front-end crash that took my car off the road before I bought it.  There are small creases at the frame mounting points that I think could be repaired with a bit of cutting, metal fabrication, and welding.

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 11:33:16 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:33:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
In-Reply-To: <000001d7afb8$b07638a0$1162a9e0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <833BE50B-4F27-4658-ABC7-30F1844B125B@cox.net>
 <000001d7afb8$b07638a0$1162a9e0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <001101d7afd7$ee21a210$ca64e630$@bluefrog.com>

Here is a picture of the wood piece mounted to the body in my Tiger for the battery - I don't know for sure if it is original.

10.75" L x 1.5" W x .400" thick

The plywood piece below the battery is not original.
I have 2 pieces of plywood under the battery tray making it near level.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 9:50 AM
To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

I see good responses and pictures to Jim's questions.   I learned many new things with this thread; thanks to all for responding.

Jim and I responded privately about the oil filter hoses so I'm posting pictures of what I believe is an original oil filter hose from my Tiger.   The hose fitting and the ink stamp.  The ink stamp is mostly off white in color with touches of red or pink.

I thought there was someone on this List who was making correct oil filter hoses or am I wrong again.

Also when I was using the oil filter original parts - I painted the engine block adaptor black - this adaptor is cast steel or iron so I painted it.   Is black the correct original color?

More questions:

Somewhere, I believe I saw an article about the Battery Wood Spacer - somewhere is the big question.  It would be very nice to know these answers, these parts are not listed in the Parts List as far as I know.    Pictures, dimensions, type of wood
There is also the Battery Manifold Breather Tube c/w 6 plugs.

Fastener descriptions can mostly be looked up in the  Alpine Parts List, Section ZY, you need all the Alpine Parts List issues for complete coverage.
Generally, there is a good description of fasteners in the Tiger Parts Lists with each part.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Lindner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

Hi All
Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.

At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.

Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.

Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.

Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.

I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.

Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.

Thanks
Jim

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 11:38:35 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:38:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
In-Reply-To: <001101d7afd7$ee21a210$ca64e630$@bluefrog.com>
References: <833BE50B-4F27-4658-ABC7-30F1844B125B@cox.net>
 <000001d7afb8$b07638a0$1162a9e0$@bluefrog.com>
 <001101d7afd7$ee21a210$ca64e630$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <001d01d7afd8$ac662110$05326330$@bluefrog.com>

Found a picture of the Battery breather
>From - Sunbeam Tiger - Doug's Cars (dougscars.com)

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:33 PM
To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

Here is a picture of the wood piece mounted to the body in my Tiger for the battery - I don't know for sure if it is original.

10.75" L x 1.5" W x .400" thick

The plywood piece below the battery is not original.
I have 2 pieces of plywood under the battery tray making it near level.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 9:50 AM
To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

I see good responses and pictures to Jim's questions.   I learned many new things with this thread; thanks to all for responding.

Jim and I responded privately about the oil filter hoses so I'm posting pictures of what I believe is an original oil filter hose from my Tiger.   The hose fitting and the ink stamp.  The ink stamp is mostly off white in color with touches of red or pink.

I thought there was someone on this List who was making correct oil filter hoses or am I wrong again.

Also when I was using the oil filter original parts - I painted the engine block adaptor black - this adaptor is cast steel or iron so I painted it.   Is black the correct original color?

More questions:

Somewhere, I believe I saw an article about the Battery Wood Spacer - somewhere is the big question.  It would be very nice to know these answers, these parts are not listed in the Parts List as far as I know.    Pictures, dimensions, type of wood
There is also the Battery Manifold Breather Tube c/w 6 plugs.

Fastener descriptions can mostly be looked up in the  Alpine Parts List, Section ZY, you need all the Alpine Parts List issues for complete coverage.
Generally, there is a good description of fasteners in the Tiger Parts Lists with each part.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Lindner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

Hi All
Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.

At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.

Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.

Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.

Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.

I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.

Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.

Thanks
Jim

Sent from my iPad
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From douglasalyle at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 11:53:47 2021
From: douglasalyle at yahoo.com (Douglas Lyle)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:53:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
In-Reply-To: <001d01d7afd8$ac662110$05326330$@bluefrog.com>
References: <833BE50B-4F27-4658-ABC7-30F1844B125B@cox.net>
 <000001d7afb8$b07638a0$1162a9e0$@bluefrog.com>
 <001101d7afd7$ee21a210$ca64e630$@bluefrog.com>
 <001d01d7afd8$ac662110$05326330$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <915664345.284622.1632333227848@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hey that looks familiar.??? I no longer have that car but somewhere I have another one of those tubes.?? I'll try and dig it up.?? 

Doug

    On Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 10:41:23 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:  
 
 Found a picture of the Battery breather
>From - Sunbeam Tiger - Doug's Cars (dougscars.com)

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:33 PM
To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

Here is a picture of the wood piece mounted to the body in my Tiger for the battery - I don't know for sure if it is original.

10.75" L x 1.5" W x .400" thick

The plywood piece below the battery is not original.
I have 2 pieces of plywood under the battery tray making it near level.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 9:50 AM
To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

I see good responses and pictures to Jim's questions.? I learned many new things with this thread; thanks to all for responding.

Jim and I responded privately about the oil filter hoses so I'm posting pictures of what I believe is an original oil filter hose from my Tiger.? The hose fitting and the ink stamp.? The ink stamp is mostly off white in color with touches of red or pink.

I thought there was someone on this List who was making correct oil filter hoses or am I wrong again.

Also when I was using the oil filter original parts - I painted the engine block adaptor black - this adaptor is cast steel or iron so I painted it.? Is black the correct original color?

More questions:

Somewhere, I believe I saw an article about the Battery Wood Spacer - somewhere is the big question.? It would be very nice to know these answers, these parts are not listed in the Parts List as far as I know.? ? Pictures, dimensions, type of wood
There is also the Battery Manifold Breather Tube c/w 6 plugs.

Fastener descriptions can mostly be looked up in the? Alpine Parts List, Section ZY, you need all the Alpine Parts List issues for complete coverage.
Generally, there is a good description of fasteners in the Tiger Parts Lists with each part.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Lindner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:10 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration

Hi All
Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.

At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.

Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.

Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.

Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.

I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.

Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.

Thanks
Jim

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From blance598 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 12:04:02 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:04:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front sub frame
In-Reply-To: <150611169.39020.1632268255085@mail.yahoo.com>
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Got it. Thank you. Beau

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 7:51 PM Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com> wrote:

> I usually call it a crossmember, not sub-frame (?). But, yeah, Tom can do
> wonderful things regardless as to what you call it :)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> To: Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 2:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger front sub frame
>
> Also:
> It is ?notched? for the rack
> It doesn?t have engine mounts
>
> Tom Hall and others can modify an Alpine
> one for the Tiger.
> Gary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:35 PM, Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Is the sub frame from the tiger and alpine the same other then the rack
> & pinion mounts.  Just not sure myself.
> > Was there anything else different?    Beau
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 22 14:19:03 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 16:19:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
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More vent-hose pictures (attached)
Some years ago I ran across an Ebay listing for a Sunbeam Tiger part.  The
pictures attached are from the listing.  The seller didn't know what it
was, but he described the hose as having a nick in it.  The hose was
incomplete, having only 5 caps.  The 'nick' was where the 6th cap should
attach.  I messaged the seller and asked him if he had the 6th cap.
Seller's response was to remove the listing.  I never saw the listing
again.  I would have bought it, incomplete or not.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 1:38 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Found a picture of the Battery breather
> From - Sunbeam Tiger - Doug's Cars (dougscars.com)
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and
> configuration
>
> Here is a picture of the wood piece mounted to the body in my Tiger for
> the battery - I don't know for sure if it is original.
>
> 10.75" L x 1.5" W x .400" thick
>
> The plywood piece below the battery is not original.
> I have 2 pieces of plywood under the battery tray making it near level.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 9:50 AM
> To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and
> configuration
>
> I see good responses and pictures to Jim's questions.   I learned many new
> things with this thread; thanks to all for responding.
>
> Jim and I responded privately about the oil filter hoses so I'm posting
> pictures of what I believe is an original oil filter hose from my Tiger.
>  The hose fitting and the ink stamp.  The ink stamp is mostly off white in
> color with touches of red or pink.
>
> I thought there was someone on this List who was making correct oil filter
> hoses or am I wrong again.
>
> Also when I was using the oil filter original parts - I painted the engine
> block adaptor black - this adaptor is cast steel or iron so I painted it.
>  Is black the correct original color?
>
> More questions:
>
> Somewhere, I believe I saw an article about the Battery Wood Spacer -
> somewhere is the big question.  It would be very nice to know these
> answers, these parts are not listed in the Parts List as far as I know.
> Pictures, dimensions, type of wood
> There is also the Battery Manifold Breather Tube c/w 6 plugs.
>
> Fastener descriptions can mostly be looked up in the  Alpine Parts List,
> Section ZY, you need all the Alpine Parts List issues for complete coverage.
> Generally, there is a good description of fasteners in the Tiger Parts
> Lists with each part.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Lindner
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:10 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
>
> Hi All
> Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID
> concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent
> event.
>
> At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am
> starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me
> down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.
>
> Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says
> Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original
> headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual
> connection.
>
> Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment
> says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal
> was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were
> really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make
> contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include
> fasteners.
>
> Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges
> did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position
> would really help. Dimensions also a help.
>
> I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk
> hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original
> fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the
> judges talking about these items.
>
> Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and
> beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any
> guidance is appreciated.
> I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live
> with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.
>
> Thanks
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 15:55:37 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:55:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
Message-ID: <004e01d7affc$94908e80$bdb1ab80$@bluefrog.com>

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no
rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood - what are the dimensions?

 

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Sep 22 16:08:24 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:08:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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Ron,
I believe there was only two wood pieces.
Only one under the battery on the inboard 
side (in the depression on the floor).
I seem to remember it was plywood and my
plies had become separated and deteriorated.
Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for
his restored cars and there is a supply left.

The next time I go there I will measure them
as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 
they are perfectly correct but I would
bet on it!
Gary Winblad 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
>                 A good question has come up.
> Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?
>  
> There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.
>  
> Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?
>  
> I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.
>  
> If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Wed Sep 22 16:32:05 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:32:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
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Far from original but I recreated the battery breather tube using a replica Lucas battery. Totally wrong clamps because I use a battery quick disconnect. Lost a 1/2 point at the concours for that
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Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Found a picture of the Battery breather
> From - Sunbeam Tiger - Doug's Cars (dougscars.com)
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
> 
> Here is a picture of the wood piece mounted to the body in my Tiger for the battery - I don't know for sure if it is original.
> 
> 10.75" L x 1.5" W x .400" thick
> 
> The plywood piece below the battery is not original.
> I have 2 pieces of plywood under the battery tray making it near level.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 9:50 AM
> To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
> 
> I see good responses and pictures to Jim's questions.   I learned many new things with this thread; thanks to all for responding.
> 
> Jim and I responded privately about the oil filter hoses so I'm posting pictures of what I believe is an original oil filter hose from my Tiger.   The hose fitting and the ink stamp.  The ink stamp is mostly off white in color with touches of red or pink.
> 
> I thought there was someone on this List who was making correct oil filter hoses or am I wrong again.
> 
> Also when I was using the oil filter original parts - I painted the engine block adaptor black - this adaptor is cast steel or iron so I painted it.   Is black the correct original color?
> 
> More questions:
> 
> Somewhere, I believe I saw an article about the Battery Wood Spacer - somewhere is the big question.  It would be very nice to know these answers, these parts are not listed in the Parts List as far as I know.    Pictures, dimensions, type of wood
> There is also the Battery Manifold Breather Tube c/w 6 plugs.
> 
> Fastener descriptions can mostly be looked up in the  Alpine Parts List, Section ZY, you need all the Alpine Parts List issues for complete coverage.
> Generally, there is a good description of fasteners in the Tiger Parts Lists with each part.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Lindner
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:10 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
> 
> Hi All
> Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.
> 
> At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.
> 
> Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.
> 
> Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.
> 
> Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.
> 
> I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.
> 
> Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
> I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.
> 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
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> <battery.png>

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 16:51:39 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:51:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <22E1AE7D-22C4-48D5-938B-3D7FE081D2CA@comcast.net>
References: <004e01d7affc$94908e80$bdb1ab80$@bluefrog.com>
 <22E1AE7D-22C4-48D5-938B-3D7FE081D2CA@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From wjtwgoodman at aol.com  Wed Sep 22 16:52:16 2021
From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 22:52:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 197
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There's a discussion on the CAT forum. I've had a couple of original pieces and it's quarter sawn what looks to be a reddish mahogany. I've seen at least three cars with a very similar material.?

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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no
rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood - what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:08:24 -0700
From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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Ron,
I believe there was only two wood pieces.
Only one under the battery on the inboard 
side (in the depression on the floor).
I seem to remember it was plywood and my
plies had become separated and deteriorated.
Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for
his restored cars and there is a supply left.

The next time I go there I will measure them
as well as get them available.? I can?t guarantee 
they are perfectly correct but I would
bet on it!
Gary Winblad 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A good question has come up.
> Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?
>? 
> There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.
>? 
> Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?
>? 
> I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.
>? 
> If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?
>? 
> Ron Fraser
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:32:05 -0400
From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and
??? configuration
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Far from original but I recreated the battery breather tube using a replica Lucas battery. Totally wrong clamps because I use a battery quick disconnect. Lost a 1/2 point at the concours for that
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> On Sep 22, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Found a picture of the Battery breather
> From - Sunbeam Tiger - Doug's Cars (dougscars.com)
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
> 
> Here is a picture of the wood piece mounted to the body in my Tiger for the battery - I don't know for sure if it is original.
> 
> 10.75" L x 1.5" W x .400" thick
> 
> The plywood piece below the battery is not original.
> I have 2 pieces of plywood under the battery tray making it near level.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 9:50 AM
> To: 'James Lindner' <jliny5 at cox.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
> 
> I see good responses and pictures to Jim's questions.? I learned many new things with this thread; thanks to all for responding.
> 
> Jim and I responded privately about the oil filter hoses so I'm posting pictures of what I believe is an original oil filter hose from my Tiger.? The hose fitting and the ink stamp.? The ink stamp is mostly off white in color with touches of red or pink.
> 
> I thought there was someone on this List who was making correct oil filter hoses or am I wrong again.
> 
> Also when I was using the oil filter original parts - I painted the engine block adaptor black - this adaptor is cast steel or iron so I painted it.? Is black the correct original color?
> 
> More questions:
> 
> Somewhere, I believe I saw an article about the Battery Wood Spacer - somewhere is the big question.? It would be very nice to know these answers, these parts are not listed in the Parts List as far as I know.? ? Pictures, dimensions, type of wood
> There is also the Battery Manifold Breather Tube c/w 6 plugs.
> 
> Fastener descriptions can mostly be looked up in the? Alpine Parts List, Section ZY, you need all the Alpine Parts List issues for complete coverage.
> Generally, there is a good description of fasteners in the Tiger Parts Lists with each part.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Lindner
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:10 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Some Help Needed with Original Items and configuration
> 
> Hi All
> Just back from SUNI?great event and an awesome turnout despite COVID concerns. Kudos to Claudia and Buck Trippel for organizing an excellent event.
> 
> At the concours, my car got 2nd place in the Stock Tiger class. I am starting to gather info to correct the minor items that in total dragged me down. Looking for some photos of the following ORIGINAL/CORRECT items.
> 
> Headlight Ground: Not sure what exactly was wrong but the comment says Incorrect headlight ground. I could really use a photo of an original headlight ground that shows the location and a closer shot of the actual connection.
> 
> Trunk Lid Buffers: Again, not exactly sure what I got wrong. The comment says no slot for buffers? It is in the same comment saying my trunk seal was upside down (I knew that? thought I could sneak by, but the judges were really sharp.). Are there slots in the trunk seal where the buffers make contact? If so, photos please. Also Photos of your buffers to include fasteners.
> 
> Battery Wood Spacer: I always thought mine was original, but the judges did not think so. A photo of an original spacer in the correct position would really help. Dimensions also a help.
> 
> I would also appreciate some photos of the fasteners that affix the trunk hinges to the body and the trunk lid. Again, I am looking for original fasteners/configuration/finish.I did not lose any points, but I heard the judges talking about these items.
> 
> Also got dinged for my oil filter assembly being dirty generally worn and beat up. Book of Norman does not specify color of fittings and pipe. Any guidance is appreciated.
> I had a few other items incorrect that I knew about and decided to live with, but in the end the total deductions did me in.
> 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 
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From jim at island.net  Wed Sep 22 17:36:03 2021
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 16:36:03 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
References: <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
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Factory drawing.



Not sure about bottom piece

Jim

Sent from my ShoePhone


> On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Excellent, keep us informed
>  
> Ron
>  
> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>  
> Ron,
> I believe there was only two wood pieces.
> Only one under the battery on the inboard 
> side (in the depression on the floor).
> I seem to remember it was plywood and my
> plies had become separated and deteriorated.
> Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for
> his restored cars and there is a supply left.
>  
> The next time I go there I will measure them
> as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 
> they are perfectly correct but I would
> bet on it!
> Gary Winblad 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
>                 A good question has come up.
> Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?
>  
> There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.
>  
> Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?
>  
> I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.
>  
> If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Wed Sep 22 18:03:28 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 20:03:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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Very goodSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 9/22/21  7:36 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood Factory drawing.Not sure about bottom pieceJimSent from my ShoePhoneOn Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:?<!--
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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep 22 18:07:33 2021
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 00:07:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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 From CAT.
David

https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/stock-pieces.7471/#post-44667

    On Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 03:09:36 PM PDT, Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Ron,I believe there was only two wood pieces.Only one under the battery on the inboard?side (in the depression on the floor).I seem to remember it was plywood and myplies had become separated and deteriorated.Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced forhis restored cars and there is a supply left.
The next time I go there I will measure themas well as get them available. ?I can?t guarantee?they are perfectly correct but I wouldbet on it!Gary Winblad?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:



?

??????????????? A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 ?

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 ?

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 ?

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 ?

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 ?

Ron Fraser

 ?
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From bucktrippel at verizon.net  Wed Sep 22 18:15:18 2021
From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:15:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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Thanks to the Rootes Archive Centre Trust for both saving and disseminating those original drawings!

 

For those of you who missed SUNI, Archive Chairman Andy Bye announced a massive breakthrough in both of those areas. After many, many years of volunteer work about 15-thousand drawings had been scanned. (I went over and scanned a few thousand of them.)

 

Last Thursday Andy announced that within the next month that number of scans will explode and add another 160-thousand scanned drawings.

 

The next step for all of us will be to get them organized and cataloged. We?ve already made great progress in part of the Tiger and Alpine areas but we will soon have a mountain of scans to start working on.

 

Buck Trippel

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:03 PM
To: Jim <jim at island.net>; Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Very good

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 9/22/21 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 

Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>  

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood 

 

Factory drawing.

 







Not sure about bottom piece





Jim



Sent from my ShoePhone

 





On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 18:39:09 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 20:39:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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References: <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
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Jim 

                Assume!              

Beech wood       Drawing date ? 14.1.64 = Jan 14, 1964 and labeled Alpine 260      

the holes are countersunk so probably 2 ? flat countersunk head screws x 5/8??

 

My part does not have those dimensions but this part drawing may have been updated by the time my Tiger was built.

My part is longer, wider and the holes are not on the center line of the part, they are off set up, I?m also not sure it is the original part.

I will have to take more measurements when I take the battery out at the end of the season.

 

This is a great starting point for this part.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Jim <jim at island.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:36 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Factory drawing.

 







Not sure about bottom piece





Jim



Sent from my ShoePhone

 





On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Sep 22 18:54:02 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:54:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
References: <004e01d7affc$94908e80$bdb1ab80$@bluefrog.com>
 <22E1AE7D-22C4-48D5-938B-3D7FE081D2CA@comcast.net>
 <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <002c01d7b015$8310d840$893288c0$@mayfco.com>

Well, if the drawing is to be believed, the side piece is made from Beech wood and so mahogany just will not do at  the concours judging, eh?  And to top that off, will the correct Beech  wood have to be grown in the UK where it was most probably, likely, sourced from? Has to be authentic, eh! Points can be lost otherwise?

 

Kinda laughing a bit?

Larry Mayfield

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:52 PM
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From jim at island.net  Wed Sep 22 19:49:21 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:49:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <002c01d7b015$8310d840$893288c0$@mayfco.com>
References: <004e01d7affc$94908e80$bdb1ab80$@bluefrog.com>
 <22E1AE7D-22C4-48D5-938B-3D7FE081D2CA@comcast.net>
 <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
 <002c01d7b015$8310d840$893288c0$@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <037701d7b01d$3a9c9740$afd5c5c0$@island.net>

LOL

 

I know a guy that would put ?Coventry? air in his tires if he could figure out a way to ship it? !

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:54 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Well, if the drawing is to be believed, the side piece is made from Beech wood and so mahogany just will not do at  the concours judging, eh?  And to top that off, will the correct Beech  wood have to be grown in the UK where it was most probably, likely, sourced from? Has to be authentic, eh! Points can be lost otherwise?

 

Kinda laughing a bit?

 

Larry Mayfield

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:52 PM
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Sep 22 20:51:49 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 19:51:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <037701d7b01d$3a9c9740$afd5c5c0$@island.net>
References: <004e01d7affc$94908e80$bdb1ab80$@bluefrog.com>
 <22E1AE7D-22C4-48D5-938B-3D7FE081D2CA@comcast.net>
 <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
 <002c01d7b015$8310d840$893288c0$@mayfco.com>
 <037701d7b01d$3a9c9740$afd5c5c0$@island.net>
Message-ID: <5684c3bc-7f0d-ec33-dff0-66d6498faf2e@verizon.net>

/"LOL/

//

/I know a guy that would put ?Coventry? air in his tires if he could 
figure out a way to ship it? !"/

I have nothing against striving for originality. But at some point there 
winds up being a delineation between one hyper original car and the next 
that likely goes to mind boggling extremes. Ironically I thought about 
the air in the tires too. Not only the composition of the air _at that 
time period_ but the added effect of the compressor oil adding 
hydrocarbons (anyone care to add to that). But what was a sentence for 
me to describe you have eloquently distilled it down to "Coventry." 
Works for me.

On 9/22/2021 6:49 PM, jim via Tigers wrote:
>
> LOL
>
> I know a guy that would put ?Coventry? air in his tires if he could 
> figure out a way to ship it? !
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Larry 
> Mayfield
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:54 PM
> *To:* 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'Gary' 
> <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* Tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>
> Well, if the drawing is to be believed, the side piece is made from 
> Beech wood and so mahogany just will not do at ?the concours judging, 
> eh? ?And to top that off, will the correct Beech ?wood have to be 
> grown in the UK where it was most probably, likely, sourced from? Has 
> to be authentic, eh! Points can be lost otherwise?
>
> Kinda laughing a bit?
>
> Larry Mayfield
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of *Ron Fraser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:52 PM
> *To:* 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>
> *Cc:* Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>
> Excellent, keep us informed
>
> Ron
>
> *From:* Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>>
> *Cc:* Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>
> Ron,
>
> I believe there was only two wood pieces.
>
> Only one under the battery on the inboard
>
> side (in the depression on the floor).
>
> I seem to remember it was plywood and my
>
> plies had become separated and deteriorated.
>
> Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for
>
> his restored cars and there is a supply left.
>
> The next time I go there I will measure them
>
> as well as get them available. ?I can?t guarantee
>
> they are perfectly correct but I would
>
> bet on it!
>
> Gary Winblad
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>     On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com
>     <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>> wrote:
>
>     ?
>
>     ??????????????? A good question has come up.
>
>     Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the
>     battery?
>
>     There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.
>
>     Was there originally a 2^nd piece of wood under the battery tray?
>
>     I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly
>     level with no rocking.
>
>     If there is a 2^nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?
>
>     Ron Fraser
>
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Sep 23 07:17:38 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 06:17:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood + some other thoughts from an 80 (minus 4
 months now) year old geezer...
Message-ID: <000201d7b07d$64fef4f0$2efcded0$@mayfco.com>

Ahh, yes! Shipping would be easy, just fill a tank and ship it. But the real issue would be getting the right composition of air from Coventry ? it would have to be investigated to determine the exact amount of pollutants and other airborne contaminants that were present in the 60?s  before air capture for the tank. Has to be authentic ?air?.   The air could have more CO2 today and it was cooler then,   after all it is about 50  or so years younger in the  era the cars were assembled. 

 

All in good fun here   ? I wished I had kept my car pristine,  but, feckless youth had me do a bit of coach work customizing.  Basis running gear is as shipped from merry olde England, however. Wishing I had some Coventry air and Beech wood ? And maybe some of that Lucas smoke to refill  the electricals?. 

 

Have owned my car since 1967 (second hand at that) and the heads and intake have never been off of it.  Have a 5 bolt 289, 30 over bore and ported heads with the small cc chamber and pop up pistons that  I need to rebuild ? has the hipo stuff inside. 

 

Reminiscing now? I once was in a 3 car ?convoy? from Bakersfield headed back to Santa Maria. We left separately but soon got together on Highway  46. I had a tank of gas when I left, virtually empty in Paso?  Corvette and Mercedes were surprised by the fact that not only did I keep up, but arrived first, lol? about 90 miles in an hour.. Passed the place where 46 junctions to go to Fresno  and where Jimmy Dean bought the farm.  Box Stock everything then? 

 

Drmayf

 

Aka Larry Mayfield

TWFS. Period. 210.779 mph exit speed on the salt (no, not the Tiger, lol)

 

From: jim <jim at island.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:49 PM
To: 'Larry Mayfield' <drmayf at mayfco.com>; 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

LOL

 

I know a guy that would put ?Coventry? air in his tires if he could figure out a way to ship it? !

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:54 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >; 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Well, if the drawing is to be believed, the side piece is made from Beech wood and so mahogany just will not do at  the concours judging, eh?  And to top that off, will the correct Beech  wood have to be grown in the UK where it was most probably, likely, sourced from? Has to be authentic, eh! Points can be lost otherwise?

 

Kinda laughing a bit?

 

Larry Mayfield

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:52 PM
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Sep 23 07:25:54 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 09:25:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <D8507597-5E3E-45DC-89F5-796060F8A580@island.net>
References: <D8507597-5E3E-45DC-89F5-796060F8A580@island.net>
Message-ID: <12DBB1A0-DE0D-4780-80E6-EEA1895CD284@cox.net>

If anybody has the drawing for the bottom piece please post. Beech wood is relatively easy to acquire and some places on line will custom cut pieces. Although any of you with woodworking skills could easily do it yourself.

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Factory drawing.
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> Not sure about bottom piece
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my ShoePhone
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Excellent, keep us informed
>>  
>> Ron
>>  
>> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>>  
>> Ron,
>> I believe there was only two wood pieces.
>> Only one under the battery on the inboard 
>> side (in the depression on the floor).
>> I seem to remember it was plywood and my
>> plies had become separated and deteriorated.
>> Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for
>> his restored cars and there is a supply left.
>>  
>> The next time I go there I will measure them
>> as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 
>> they are perfectly correct but I would
>> bet on it!
>> Gary Winblad 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>>                 A good question has come up.
>> Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?
>>  
>> There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.
>>  
>> Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?
>>  
>> I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.
>>  
>> If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>>  
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep 23 07:48:57 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 09:48:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] oil filter hose fitting
Message-ID: <000701d7b081$c23f7f50$46be7df0$@bluefrog.com>

I did some extra investigation on the hose fitting which I though look
smooth and difficult for me to understand how it was crimped.

 

The hose fitting or clamp, attaches the pipe to the hose, is called a Skive
Crimp Socket.

The original fitting was crimped with a 4 jaw crimp tool.

You can just see one of the witness marks of the crimp tool in the photo.

 

I'm not sure if Rootes had an outside vendor for these hose assemblies or if
they made them all in house.

 

Ron Fraser

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep 23 08:28:39 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 10:28:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] oil filter hose fitting
In-Reply-To: <000701d7b081$c23f7f50$46be7df0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000701d7b081$c23f7f50$46be7df0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <001e01d7b087$4dfabaf0$e9f030d0$@bluefrog.com>

I cleaned up the hose fitting a little and highlighted 1 of the witness
marks.

A 4 jaw crimp tool for this hose fitting.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 9:49 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] oil filter hose fitting

 

I did some extra investigation on the hose fitting which I though look
smooth and difficult for me to understand how it was crimped.

 

The hose fitting or clamp, attaches the pipe to the hose, is called a Skive
Crimp Socket.

The original fitting was crimped with a 4 jaw crimp tool.

You can just see one of the witness marks of the crimp tool in the photo.

 

I'm not sure if Rootes had an outside vendor for these hose assemblies or if
they made them all in house.

 

Ron Fraser

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From wjtwgoodman at aol.com  Thu Sep 23 10:51:54 2021
From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 16:51:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204
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I don't believe that they would not use w/e they had about. The fact that birch ply looks to have been used for the trunk false floor is somewhat persuasive evidence.? No less than 3 pieces of not Birch have been collected in my brief 10 years of picking Craigslist etc. All three have the holes in the right places not one is Birch.? All three came from parted out or don't throw anything away types.??

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? 1. Re: Trunk wood + some other thoughts from an 80 (minus 4
? ? ? months now) year old geezer... (Larry Mayfield)
? 2. Re: Trunk wood (James Lindner)


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 06:17:38 -0700
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "'jim'" <jim at island.net>, "'Ron Fraser'" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>,
??? "'Gary'" <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood + some other thoughts from an 80
??? (minus 4 months now) year old geezer...
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Ahh, yes! Shipping would be easy, just fill a tank and ship it. But the real issue would be getting the right composition of air from Coventry ? it would have to be investigated to determine the exact amount of pollutants and other airborne contaminants that were present in the 60?s? before air capture for the tank. Has to be authentic ?air?.? The air could have more CO2 today and it was cooler then,? after all it is about 50? or so years younger in the? era the cars were assembled. 

 

All in good fun here? ? I wished I had kept my car pristine,? but, feckless youth had me do a bit of coach work customizing.? Basis running gear is as shipped from merry olde England, however. Wishing I had some Coventry air and Beech wood ? And maybe some of that Lucas smoke to refill? the electricals?. 

 

Have owned my car since 1967 (second hand at that) and the heads and intake have never been off of it.? Have a 5 bolt 289, 30 over bore and ported heads with the small cc chamber and pop up pistons that? I need to rebuild ? has the hipo stuff inside. 

 

Reminiscing now? I once was in a 3 car ?convoy? from Bakersfield headed back to Santa Maria. We left separately but soon got together on Highway? 46. I had a tank of gas when I left, virtually empty in Paso?? Corvette and Mercedes were surprised by the fact that not only did I keep up, but arrived first, lol? about 90 miles in an hour.. Passed the place where 46 junctions to go to Fresno? and where Jimmy Dean bought the farm.? Box Stock everything then? 

 

Drmayf

 

Aka Larry Mayfield

TWFS. Period. 210.779 mph exit speed on the salt (no, not the Tiger, lol)

 

From: jim <jim at island.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:49 PM
To: 'Larry Mayfield' <drmayf at mayfco.com>; 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

LOL

 

I know a guy that would put ?Coventry? air in his tires if he could figure out a way to ship it? !

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:54 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >; 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Well, if the drawing is to be believed, the side piece is made from Beech wood and so mahogany just will not do at? the concours judging, eh?? And to top that off, will the correct Beech? wood have to be grown in the UK where it was most probably, likely, sourced from? Has to be authentic, eh! Points can be lost otherwise?

 

Kinda laughing a bit?

 

Larry Mayfield

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:52 PM
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.? I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 09:25:54 -0400
From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
To: Jim <jim at island.net>
Cc: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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If anybody has the drawing for the bottom piece please post. Beech wood is relatively easy to acquire and some places on line will custom cut pieces. Although any of you with woodworking skills could easily do it yourself.

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Factory drawing.
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> Not sure about bottom piece
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my ShoePhone
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Excellent, keep us informed
>>? 
>> Ron
>>? 
>> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>>? 
>> Ron,
>> I believe there was only two wood pieces.
>> Only one under the battery on the inboard 
>> side (in the depression on the floor).
>> I seem to remember it was plywood and my
>> plies had become separated and deteriorated.
>> Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for
>> his restored cars and there is a supply left.
>>? 
>> The next time I go there I will measure them
>> as well as get them available.? I can?t guarantee 
>> they are perfectly correct but I would
>> bet on it!
>> Gary Winblad 
>>? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A good question has come up.
>> Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?
>>? 
>> There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.
>>? 
>> Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?
>>? 
>> I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.
>>? 
>> If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?
>>? 
>> Ron Fraser
>>? 
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From larryall at pacbell.net  Thu Sep 23 11:26:52 2021
From: larryall at pacbell.net (larryall)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 10:26:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 207
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If someone can provide specific dimensions and wood species I could mill up kits at my cost. My Mk1 does not have any remnants left to use as template so I would need above specifics to create.Like I said I can produce at my cost including postage. Would prefer to ship US but could arrange for international.Also does anyone know what finish was usedSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: tigers-request at autox.team.net Date: 9/23/21  9:53 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 207 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to	tigers at autox.team.netTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	tigers-request at autox.team.netYou can reach the person managing the list at	tigers-owner at autox.team.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."Today's Topics:?? 1. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204 (Warren Goodman)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 16:51:54 +0000 (UTC)From: Warren Goodman <wjtwgoodman at aol.com>To: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204Message-ID: <1671496414.448132.1632415914676 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"I don't believe that they would not use w/e they had about. The fact that birch ply looks to have been used for the trunk false floor is somewhat persuasive evidence.? No less than 3 pieces of not Birch have been collected in my brief 10 years of picking Craigslist etc. All three have the holes in the right places not one is Birch.? All three came from parted out or don't throw anything away types.??Sent from the all new AOL app for Android  ? On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 6:27 AM, tigers-request at autox.team.net<tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:?? Send Tigers mailing list submissions to??? tigers at autox.team.netTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to??? tigers-request at autox.team.netYou can reach the person managing the list at??? tigers-owner at autox.team.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."Today's Topics:? 1. Re: Trunk wood + some other thoughts from an 80 (minus 4? ? ? months now) year old geezer... (Larry Mayfield)? 2. Re: Trunk wood (James Lindner)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 06:17:38 -0700From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>To: "'jim'" <jim at island.net>, "'Ron Fraser'" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>,??? "'Gary'" <garywinblad at comcast.net>Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood + some other thoughts from an 80??? (minus 4 months now) year old geezer...Message-ID: <000201d7b07d$64fef4f0$2efcded0$@mayfco.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Ahh, yes! Shipping would be easy, just fill a tank and ship it. But the real issue would be getting the right composition of air from Coventry ? it would have to be investigated to determine the exact amount of pollutants and other airborne contaminants that were present in the 60?s? before air capture for the tank. Has to be authentic ?air?.? The air could have more CO2 today and it was cooler then,? after all it is about 50? or so years younger in the? era the cars were assembled.  All in good fun here? ? I wished I had kept my car pristine,? but, feckless youth had me do a bit of coach work customizing.? Basis running gear is as shipped from merry olde England, however. Wishing I had some Coventry air and Beech wood ? And maybe some of that Lucas smoke to refill? the electricals?.  Have owned my car since 1967 (second hand at that) and the heads and intake have never been off of it.? Have a 5 bolt 289, 30 over bore and ported heads with the small cc chamber and pop up pistons that? I need to rebuild ? has the hipo stuff inside.  Reminiscing now? I once was in a 3 car ?convoy? from Bakersfield headed back to Santa Maria. We left separately but soon got together on Highway? 46. I had a tank of gas when I left, virtually empty in Paso?? Corvette and Mercedes were surprised by the fact that not only did I keep up, but arrived first, lol? about 90 miles in an hour.. Passed the place where 46 junctions to go to Fresno? and where Jimmy Dean bought the farm.? Box Stock everything then?  Drmayf Aka Larry MayfieldTWFS. Period. 210.779 mph exit speed on the salt (no, not the Tiger, lol) From: jim <jim at island.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:49 PMTo: 'Larry Mayfield' <drmayf at mayfco.com>; 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>Cc: Tigers at autox.team.netSubject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood LOL I know a guy that would put ?Coventry? air in his tires if he could figure out a way to ship it? ! From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Larry MayfieldSent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:54 PMTo: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >; 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood Well, if the drawing is to be believed, the side piece is made from Beech wood and so mahogany just will not do at? the concours judging, eh?? And to top that off, will the correct Beech? wood have to be grown in the UK where it was most probably, likely, sourced from? Has to be authentic, eh! Points can be lost otherwise? Kinda laughing a bit? Larry Mayfield  From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ron FraserSent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:52 PMTo: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood Excellent, keep us informed Ron From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PMTo: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood Ron,I believe there was only two wood pieces.Only one under the battery on the inboard side (in the depression on the floor).I seem to remember it was plywood and myplies had become separated and deteriorated.Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced forhis restored cars and there is a supply left. The next time I go there I will measure themas well as get them available.? I can?t guarantee they are perfectly correct but I wouldbet on it!Gary Winblad  Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A good question has come up.Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery? There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery. Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray? I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking. If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions? Ron Fraser _______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20210923/dcf0c4ab/attachment-0001.htm>------------------------------Message: 2Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 09:25:54 -0400From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>To: Jim <jim at island.net>Cc: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>, tigers at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk woodMessage-ID: <12DBB1A0-DE0D-4780-80E6-EEA1895CD284 at cox.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"If anybody has the drawing for the bottom piece please post. Beech wood is relatively easy to acquire and some places on line will custom cut pieces. Although any of you with woodworking skills could easily do it yourself.ThanksJimSent from my iPad> On Sep 22, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:> > ?Factory drawing.> > <image.jpg>> > Not sure about bottom piece> > Jim> > Sent from my ShoePhone> > >>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:>>> >> ?>> Excellent, keep us informed>>? >> Ron>>? >> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood>>? >> Ron,>> I believe there was only two wood pieces.>> Only one under the battery on the inboard >> side (in the depression on the floor).>> I seem to remember it was plywood and my>> plies had become separated and deteriorated.>> Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for>> his restored cars and there is a supply left.>>? >> The next time I go there I will measure them>> as well as get them available.? I can?t guarantee >> they are perfectly correct but I would>> bet on it!>> Gary Winblad >>? >> >> Sent from my iPhone>> >> >> On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:>> >> ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A good question has come up.>> Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?>>? >> There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.>>? >> Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?>>? >> I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.>>? >> If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?>>? >> Ron Fraser>>? >> _______________________________________________>> >> tigers at autox.team.net>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive>> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net>> >> >> _______________________________________________>> >> tigers at autox.team.net>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive>> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net>> >> > _______________________________________________> > tigers at autox.team.net> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net> > -------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20210923/e9dea074/attachment.htm>------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________Tigers mailing listTigers at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive------------------------------End of Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204***************************************? -------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20210923/471132f6/attachment.htm>------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________Tigers mailing listTigers at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive------------------------------End of Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 207***************************************
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep 23 11:58:57 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:58:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204
References: <mailman.11751.1632403555.5555.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <1671496414.448132.1632415914676@mail.yahoo.com> 
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Darn forgot to include the List again

Ron Fraser

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:46 PM
To: 'Warren Goodman' <wjtwgoodman at aol.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204

 

Warren

                Good information.   Since no vendor was called out on the drawing, I can see a Wood Shop using any hard wood scrap they had for this part.

Why waste a piece of wood that has no other good use but is dimensionally close and can be made into this part.

 

More income, less waste.

 

We have a drawing of the side wood piece.   It would nice if someone can verify those dimensions on their Tiger.

My part does not match those dimensions, it is longer and wider.

Also what was used to fasten the wood the body.   I made a guess of a screw but is that correct?

 

1st let verify the drawing, then let?s see if a larger part like mine is also common.

My Tiger is an early B382 series Tiger with a Jensen date in Aug 1965.

 

Curious minds want to know

 

Ron Fraser

 

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I don't believe that they would not use w/e they had about. The fact that birch ply looks to have been used for the trunk false floor is somewhat persuasive evidence.  No less than 3 pieces of not Birch have been collected in my brief 10 years of picking Craigslist etc. All three have the holes in the right places not one is Birch.  All three came from parted out or don't throw anything away types.  

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Sep 23 13:24:41 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 12:24:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204
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Ron,
Closest I can measure B9470622(pretty sure
its original):
.86 x.38 x 10 1/4
It is now darkened and must have shrunk 
after all these years LOL!

How many people need these?

The Reisentz estate has a few, I doubt we
need a new production run.?
Gary Winblad 


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> On Sep 23, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Darn forgot to include the List again
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:46 PM
> To: 'Warren Goodman' <wjtwgoodman at aol.com>
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204
>  
> Warren
>                 Good information.   Since no vendor was called out on the drawing, I can see a Wood Shop using any hard wood scrap they had for this part.
> Why waste a piece of wood that has no other good use but is dimensionally close and can be made into this part.
>  
> More income, less waste.
>  
> We have a drawing of the side wood piece.   It would nice if someone can verify those dimensions on their Tiger.
> My part does not match those dimensions, it is longer and wider.
> Also what was used to fasten the wood the body.   I made a guess of a screw but is that correct?
>  
> 1st let verify the drawing, then let?s see if a larger part like mine is also common.
> My Tiger is an early B382 series Tiger with a Jensen date in Aug 1965.
>  
> Curious minds want to know
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Warren Goodman via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 12:52 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204
>  
> I don't believe that they would not use w/e they had about. The fact that birch ply looks to have been used for the trunk false floor is somewhat persuasive evidence.  No less than 3 pieces of not Birch have been collected in my brief 10 years of picking Craigslist etc. All three have the holes in the right places not one is Birch.  All three came from parted out or don't throw anything away types.  
> 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Sep 23 13:43:44 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 12:43:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger battery wood
Message-ID: <AD805B17-2678-4C67-B900-13E301A3E4FF@comcast.net>

Here?s a quick photo, not sure how many
are there.  Will probably go there in a couple 
weeks.  Buck is first, anyone else?  What?s 
a fair price with USPS?  All proceeds go to
Julie.  Sorry, no oil lines.

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep 23 14:05:17 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 16:05:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger battery wood
In-Reply-To: <AD805B17-2678-4C67-B900-13E301A3E4FF@comcast.net>
References: <AD805B17-2678-4C67-B900-13E301A3E4FF@comcast.net>
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Gary 
	Looks like the dimensions of your side wood piece is very close - shrinkage is always normal, it's wood.
"Closest I can measure B9470622(pretty sure its original): .86 x.38 x 10 1/4"
Drawing indicates - 10.437" x .875" x .437" close enough for your part.

It would be great to have all the dimension for the 2 piece of wood Paul used.
Keep us informed

Thanks
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 3:44 PM
To: Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>; Buck Trippel <bucktrippel at verizon.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger battery wood

Here?s a quick photo, not sure how many
are there.  Will probably go there in a couple weeks.  Buck is first, anyone else?  What?s a fair price with USPS?  All proceeds go to Julie.  Sorry, no oil lines.



From jim at island.net  Thu Sep 23 14:10:32 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:10:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <008601d7b013$6cad4180$4607c480$@bluefrog.com>
References: <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
 <D8507597-5E3E-45DC-89F5-796060F8A580@island.net>
 <008601d7b013$6cad4180$4607c480$@bluefrog.com>
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Ron

 

The very comprehensive ?bolt list? on Tigers United lists the fasteners for the side piece as 2 - #6 x ?? machine screw flat head Philips and shows nothing for a lower piece of wood

For those who don?t know their Beech from their Birch, as a carpenter I DO know? lol

 

The fine grain European Beech is on the left and lighter grain Birch on the right

Both samples are sawn ( NOT plywood )

 



 

That side wood drawing actually has a part # 2231040  There are a few part #s in the parts book for the trunk that are 22310xx but not that one? kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in any list. That might be the case with the possible lower filler under the battery? maybe Buck has seen a drawing at the Rootes trust for one ??

 

Jim

B382000446

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim' <jim at island.net>
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Jim 

                Assume!              

Beech wood       Drawing date ? 14.1.64 = Jan 14, 1964 and labeled Alpine 260      

the holes are countersunk so probably 2 ? flat countersunk head screws x 5/8??

 

My part does not have those dimensions but this part drawing may have been updated by the time my Tiger was built.

My part is longer, wider and the holes are not on the center line of the part, they are off set up, I?m also not sure it is the original part.

I will have to take more measurements when I take the battery out at the end of the season.

 

This is a great starting point for this part.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:36 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Factory drawing.

 



 

Not sure about bottom piece

 

Jim

Sent from my ShoePhone

 

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From jim at island.net  Thu Sep 23 14:44:37 2021
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:44:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <009d01d7b0b7$0fed9090$2fc8b1b0$@island.net>
References: <009d01d7b0b7$0fed9090$2fc8b1b0$@island.net>
Message-ID: <1E95721C-5BFF-452B-9405-232864BDE516@island.net>

So.., I took my battery out to have a look? been a while !!  I see a piece of 1/4? plywood that I probably made years ago ( wonder what I used for a pattern?) and see the screw holes are 9 7/16? apart and no evidence that there ever were any other holes. The piece is 3? wide and the back hole is 1 5/16? from the right side and the front hole is 1 7/16? from the right side   From looking at my layout on the back of the wood, it appears like I drilled the wood to match existing trunk holes other wise if I was ?creating? holes in the trunk I would have lined them up even. So?either I?ve redone an existing incorrect piece?or I have the holy grail, or something in between. 55 year old car and all. Still a mystery. Lol
Definitely need more input

Jim
B382000446

Sent from my ShoePhone


> On Sep 23, 2021, at 1:11 PM, jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Ron
>  
> The very comprehensive ?bolt list? on Tigers United lists the fasteners for the side piece as 2 - #6 x ?? machine screw flat head Philips and shows nothing for a lower piece of wood
> For those who don?t know their Beech from their Birch, as a carpenter I DO know? lol
>  
> The fine grain European Beech is on the left and lighter grain Birch on the right
> Both samples are sawn ( NOT plywood )
>  
> <image002.jpg>
> <image003.jpg>
>  
> That side wood drawing actually has a part # 2231040  There are a few part #s in the parts book for the trunk that are 22310xx but not that one? kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in any list. That might be the case with the possible lower filler under the battery? maybe Buck has seen a drawing at the Rootes trust for one ??
>  
> Jim
> B382000446
>  
> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:39 PM
> To: 'Jim' <jim at island.net>
> Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>  
> Jim
>                 Assume!             
> Beech wood       Drawing date ? 14.1.64 = Jan 14, 1964 and labeled Alpine 260     
> the holes are countersunk so probably 2 ? flat countersunk head screws x 5/8??
>  
> My part does not have those dimensions but this part drawing may have been updated by the time my Tiger was built.
> My part is longer, wider and the holes are not on the center line of the part, they are off set up, I?m also not sure it is the original part.
> I will have to take more measurements when I take the battery out at the end of the season.
>  
> This is a great starting point for this part.
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Jim <jim at island.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:36 PM
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Cc: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>  
> Factory drawing.
>  
> <image001.jpg>
>  
> 
> Not sure about bottom piece
>  
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my ShoePhone
>  
>  
> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Excellent, keep us informed
>  
> Ron
>  
> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
>  
> Ron,
> I believe there was only two wood pieces.
> Only one under the battery on the inboard 
> side (in the depression on the floor).
> I seem to remember it was plywood and my
> plies had become separated and deteriorated.
> Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for
> his restored cars and there is a supply left.
>  
> The next time I go there I will measure them
> as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 
> they are perfectly correct but I would
> bet on it!
> Gary Winblad 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
>                 A good question has come up.
> Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?
>  
> There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.
>  
> Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?
>  
> I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.
>  
> If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep 23 15:20:04 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:20:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <009d01d7b0b7$0fed9090$2fc8b1b0$@island.net>
References: <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
 <D8507597-5E3E-45DC-89F5-796060F8A580@island.net>
 <008601d7b013$6cad4180$4607c480$@bluefrog.com>
 <009d01d7b0b7$0fed9090$2fc8b1b0$@island.net>
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Jim

                I question a flat head Philips.   The drawing clearly shows and angle cut for the fastener; that is why my guess was a Flat Countersunk Head screw.

Right now I don?t believe there are any indications of fasteners if a piece of wood was used under the battery tray.

 

Thank you for the wood picture ? I?m not sure what I have for side wood, I do know it is stained some ? I will examine it more closely in Oct when I take the battery out.

 

Basically we need more input to understand all the questions we have right now on this subject.

 

?kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in any list?

Alpine Parts List ? Body Fittings ? Series I & II ? pg. YV11 under part D200 ? 2201875 Shim ? Toggle catch

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: jim <jim at island.net> 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:11 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron

 

The very comprehensive ?bolt list? on Tigers United lists the fasteners for the side piece as 2 - #6 x ?? machine screw flat head Philips and shows nothing for a lower piece of wood

For those who don?t know their Beech from their Birch, as a carpenter I DO know? lol

 

The fine grain European Beech is on the left and lighter grain Birch on the right

Both samples are sawn ( NOT plywood )

 



 

That side wood drawing actually has a part # 2231040  There are a few part #s in the parts book for the trunk that are 22310xx but not that one? kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in any list. That might be the case with the possible lower filler under the battery? maybe Buck has seen a drawing at the Rootes trust for one ??

 

Jim

B382000446

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim' <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Jim 

                Assume!              

Beech wood       Drawing date ? 14.1.64 = Jan 14, 1964 and labeled Alpine 260      

the holes are countersunk so probably 2 ? flat countersunk head screws x 5/8??

 

My part does not have those dimensions but this part drawing may have been updated by the time my Tiger was built.

My part is longer, wider and the holes are not on the center line of the part, they are off set up, I?m also not sure it is the original part.

I will have to take more measurements when I take the battery out at the end of the season.

 

This is a great starting point for this part.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:36 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Factory drawing.

 



 

Not sure about bottom piece

 

Jim

Sent from my ShoePhone

 

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From jim at island.net  Thu Sep 23 15:36:04 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 14:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
In-Reply-To: <002e01d7b0c0$c756e890$5604b9b0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <006d01d7b004$682a9d60$387fd820$@bluefrog.com>
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Message-ID: <00ae01d7b0c3$032b7550$09825ff0$@island.net>

Hi Ron

 

Thanks for that wedge part # ? never thought to look at series I/II

 

In my world a flat head screw ?is? countersunk ( as are oval head ) so we?re on the same page

 



 

 

My best ?guess? now is that there may be a flat wood piece under the tray but no fasteners?

 

Whish moe ?never messed with? guys would post pics

 

Jim

B382000446

 

 

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:20 PM
To: 'jim' <jim at island.net>
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Jim

                I question a flat head Philips.   The drawing clearly shows and angle cut for the fastener; that is why my guess was a Flat Countersunk Head screw.

Right now I don?t believe there are any indications of fasteners if a piece of wood was used under the battery tray.

 

Thank you for the wood picture ? I?m not sure what I have for side wood, I do know it is stained some ? I will examine it more closely in Oct when I take the battery out.

 

Basically we need more input to understand all the questions we have right now on this subject.

 

?kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in any list?

Alpine Parts List ? Body Fittings ? Series I & II ? pg. YV11 under part D200 ? 2201875 Shim ? Toggle catch

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:11 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron

 

The very comprehensive ?bolt list? on Tigers United lists the fasteners for the side piece as 2 - #6 x ?? machine screw flat head Philips and shows nothing for a lower piece of wood

For those who don?t know their Beech from their Birch, as a carpenter I DO know? lol

 

The fine grain European Beech is on the left and lighter grain Birch on the right

Both samples are sawn ( NOT plywood )

 



 

That side wood drawing actually has a part # 2231040  There are a few part #s in the parts book for the trunk that are 22310xx but not that one? kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in any list. That might be the case with the possible lower filler under the battery? maybe Buck has seen a drawing at the Rootes trust for one ??

 

Jim

B382000446

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim' <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Jim 

                Assume!              

Beech wood       Drawing date ? 14.1.64 = Jan 14, 1964 and labeled Alpine 260      

the holes are countersunk so probably 2 ? flat countersunk head screws x 5/8??

 

My part does not have those dimensions but this part drawing may have been updated by the time my Tiger was built.

My part is longer, wider and the holes are not on the center line of the part, they are off set up, I?m also not sure it is the original part.

I will have to take more measurements when I take the battery out at the end of the season.

 

This is a great starting point for this part.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:36 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Factory drawing.

 



 

Not sure about bottom piece

 

Jim

Sent from my ShoePhone

 

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep 23 16:30:50 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 18:30:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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Jim

                OK, now we are talking the same language and using like dictionaries.   I was coping the words from the Parts List.

 

I was contacted today and he stated that the side wood piece on his Tiger is mounted with a nail like fasteners.

He could find no slot of any kind in the head.  We will have to wait as he investigates what he has for fasteners and wood.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: jim <jim at island.net> 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 5:36 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Hi Ron

 

Thanks for that wedge part # ? never thought to look at series I/II

 

In my world a flat head screw ?is? countersunk ( as are oval head ) so we?re on the same page

 



 

 

My best ?guess? now is that there may be a flat wood piece under the tray but no fasteners?

 

Whish moe ?never messed with? guys would post pics

 

Jim

B382000446

 

 

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:20 PM
To: 'jim' <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Jim

                I question a flat head Philips.   The drawing clearly shows and angle cut for the fastener; that is why my guess was a Flat Countersunk Head screw.

Right now I don?t believe there are any indications of fasteners if a piece of wood was used under the battery tray.

 

Thank you for the wood picture ? I?m not sure what I have for side wood, I do know it is stained some ? I will examine it more closely in Oct when I take the battery out.

 

Basically we need more input to understand all the questions we have right now on this subject.

 

?kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in any list?

Alpine Parts List ? Body Fittings ? Series I & II ? pg. YV11 under part D200 ? 2201875 Shim ? Toggle catch

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:11 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron

 

The very comprehensive ?bolt list? on Tigers United lists the fasteners for the side piece as 2 - #6 x ?? machine screw flat head Philips and shows nothing for a lower piece of wood

For those who don?t know their Beech from their Birch, as a carpenter I DO know? lol

 

The fine grain European Beech is on the left and lighter grain Birch on the right

Both samples are sawn ( NOT plywood )

 



 

That side wood drawing actually has a part # 2231040  There are a few part #s in the parts book for the trunk that are 22310xx but not that one? kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in any list. That might be the case with the possible lower filler under the battery? maybe Buck has seen a drawing at the Rootes trust for one ??

 

Jim

B382000446

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim' <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Jim 

                Assume!              

Beech wood       Drawing date ? 14.1.64 = Jan 14, 1964 and labeled Alpine 260      

the holes are countersunk so probably 2 ? flat countersunk head screws x 5/8??

 

My part does not have those dimensions but this part drawing may have been updated by the time my Tiger was built.

My part is longer, wider and the holes are not on the center line of the part, they are off set up, I?m also not sure it is the original part.

I will have to take more measurements when I take the battery out at the end of the season.

 

This is a great starting point for this part.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:36 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >; tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Factory drawing.

 



 

Not sure about bottom piece

 

Jim

Sent from my ShoePhone

 

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Excellent, keep us informed

 

Ron

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood

 

Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard 

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.

 

The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee 

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?

 

There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.

 

Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?

 

I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no rocking.

 

If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From blance598 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 17:26:11 2021
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:26:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 214
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Has anyone dealt with sunbeam spares, I might have too.
Specifically body replacement  panels,  lower front fender.
   Beau. My body man opened up a can of worms,  now we must fix it
correctly n'est pas.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 18:30:50 -0400
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'jim'" <jim at island.net>
Cc: "'Gary'" <garywinblad at comcast.net>, <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood
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Jim

                OK, now we are talking the same language and using like
dictionaries.   I was coping the words from the Parts List.



I was contacted today and he stated that the side wood piece on his Tiger
is mounted with a nail like fasteners.

He could find no slot of any kind in the head.  We will have to wait as he
investigates what he has for fasteners and wood.



Ron Fraser







From: jim <jim at island.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 5:36 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood



Hi Ron



Thanks for that wedge part # ? never thought to look at series I/II



In my world a flat head screw ?is? countersunk ( as are oval head ) so
we?re on the same page









My best ?guess? now is that there may be a flat wood piece under the tray
but no fasteners?



Whish moe ?never messed with? guys would post pics



Jim

B382000446







From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:20 PM
To: 'jim' <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >;
tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood



Jim

                I question a flat head Philips.   The drawing clearly shows
and angle cut for the fastener; that is why my guess was a Flat Countersunk
Head screw.

Right now I don?t believe there are any indications of fasteners if a piece
of wood was used under the battery tray.



Thank you for the wood picture ? I?m not sure what I have for side wood, I
do know it is stained some ? I will examine it more closely in Oct when I
take the battery out.



Basically we need more input to understand all the questions we have right
now on this subject.



?kinda like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but
not in any list?

Alpine Parts List ? Body Fittings ? Series I & II ? pg. YV11 under part
D200 ? 2201875 Shim ? Toggle catch



Ron Fraser





From: jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:11 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >;
tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood



Ron



The very comprehensive ?bolt list? on Tigers United lists the fasteners for
the side piece as 2 - #6 x ?? machine screw flat head Philips and shows
nothing for a lower piece of wood

For those who don?t know their Beech from their Birch, as a carpenter I DO
know? lol



The fine grain European Beech is on the left and lighter grain Birch on the
right

Both samples are sawn ( NOT plywood )







That side wood drawing actually has a part # 2231040  There are a few part
#s in the parts book for the trunk that are 22310xx but not that one? kinda
like those wedges for the front top to windshield ? they exist? but not in
any list. That might be the case with the possible lower filler under the
battery? maybe Buck has seen a drawing at the Rootes trust for one ??



Jim

B382000446



From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim' <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Cc: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >;
tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Trunk wood



Jim

                Assume!

Beech wood       Drawing date ? 14.1.64 = Jan 14, 1964 and labeled Alpine
260

the holes are countersunk so probably 2 ? flat countersunk head screws x
5/8??



My part does not have those dimensions but this part drawing may have been
updated by the time my Tiger was built.

My part is longer, wider and the holes are not on the center line of the
part, they are off set up, I?m also not sure it is the original part.

I will have to take more measurements when I take the battery out at the
end of the season.



This is a great starting point for this part.

Ron Fraser



From: Jim <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:36 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >;
tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood



Factory drawing.







Not sure about bottom piece



Jim

Sent from my ShoePhone





On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:
rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Excellent, keep us informed



Ron



From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> >
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:08 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk wood



Ron,

I believe there was only two wood pieces.

Only one under the battery on the inboard

side (in the depression on the floor).

I seem to remember it was plywood and my

plies had become separated and deteriorated.

Paul Reisentz had the wood reproduced for

his restored cars and there is a supply left.



The next time I go there I will measure them

as well as get them available.  I can?t guarantee

they are perfectly correct but I would

bet on it!

Gary Winblad



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 22, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:
rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

                A good question has come up.

Should there be 2 pieces of wood in the trunk associated with the battery?



There is 1 piece screwed to the body at the side of the battery.



Was there originally a 2nd piece of wood under the battery tray?



I put plywood under my battery tray to get the battery mostly level with no
rocking.



If there is a 2nd piece of wood ? what are the dimensions?



Ron Fraser



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From bucktrippel at verizon.net  Thu Sep 23 18:05:48 2021
From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:05:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] sunbeam spares
References: <048801d7b0d7$ee400830$cac01890$.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <048801d7b0d7$ee400830$cac01890$@verizon.net>

Hi,

 

Sunbeam Spares is great (Malcolm, Andy & Tristan) They are located near
Heathrow, to the west of London. The company itself has been around for
decades and is the main Sunbeam vendor in the UK. They are highly reputable.

 

Sunbeam Tiger Alpine Spares is a different company. It's rather new. (5
years?) It specializes in providing components for turning out Algers. (And
any company that would so closely copy an established competitor's name is
already suspect.) 

 

Randy Willits (sp?) up in New Hampshire (?) brings in shipments of sheet
metal stuff from the UK all the time. You may be able to buy something from
him to avoid hefty shipping fees. (I've done that.)

 

Buck Trippel

 

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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Thu Sep 23 18:15:06 2021
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 00:15:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] top wood piece
References: <470510385.548234.1632442506620.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <470510385.548234.1632442506620@mail.yahoo.com>

I have checked my battery top side spacer, it conforms to the dimentions previously discussed but I would wonder if when in stalled looking at the side grain the exact wood could be distinguished, it's only 7/16" wide....my 2cents..my lower piece is 13"L x31/4"Wx1/4" thick and is plywood screwed down with 2 #6x1/2 countersunk flat heads. ?Probably done years ago by Scott Woerth, may or not be absolute correct, but is not visible and supports the battery tray. ?
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From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Sep 23 19:16:06 2021
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 20:16:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204
In-Reply-To: <6477242C-5BF8-4273-B0CC-E47D43AC0180@comcast.net>
References: <001101d7b0a4$ae92f270$0bb8d750$@bluefrog.com>
 <6477242C-5BF8-4273-B0CC-E47D43AC0180@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001d7b0e1$c11de110$4359a330$@cox.net>

Gary,

 

I have the side wood piece but do NOT have the piece that goes under the battery tray.  So, count me in at least for the bottom piece.

 

Thanks,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

B382001600LRXFE

 

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:25 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204

 

Ron,

Closest I can measure B9470622(pretty sure

its original):

.86 x.38 x 10 1/4

It is now darkened and must have shrunk 

after all these years LOL!





How many people need these?





The Reisentz estate has a few, I doubt we

need a new production run.?

Gary Winblad 





 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 23, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Darn forgot to include the List again

Ron Fraser

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:46 PM
To: 'Warren Goodman' <wjtwgoodman at aol.com <mailto:wjtwgoodman at aol.com> >
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204

 

Warren

                Good information.   Since no vendor was called out on the drawing, I can see a Wood Shop using any hard wood scrap they had for this part.

Why waste a piece of wood that has no other good use but is dimensionally close and can be made into this part.

 

More income, less waste.

 

We have a drawing of the side wood piece.   It would nice if someone can verify those dimensions on their Tiger.

My part does not match those dimensions, it is longer and wider.

Also what was used to fasten the wood the body.   I made a guess of a screw but is that correct?

 

1st let verify the drawing, then let?s see if a larger part like mine is also common.

My Tiger is an early B382 series Tiger with a Jensen date in Aug 1965.

 

Curious minds want to know

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Warren Goodman via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 12:52 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 204

 

I don't believe that they would not use w/e they had about. The fact that birch ply looks to have been used for the trunk false floor is somewhat persuasive evidence.  No less than 3 pieces of not Birch have been collected in my brief 10 years of picking Craigslist etc. All three have the holes in the right places not one is Birch.  All three came from parted out or don't throw anything away types.  

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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Fri Sep 24 18:15:54 2021
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:15:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] battery wood pieces
References: <605554394.773535.1632528954345.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I wonder if these pieces of wood were sealed, stained, or varnished or shellacked to preserve them or just put in the car in a raw state
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Fri Sep 24 18:24:39 2021
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:24:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] plywood under battery
References: <1637616352.775183.1632529479432.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1637616352.775183.1632529479432@mail.yahoo.com>

may car has the plywood piece screwed down like Jim's, 9 7/16" apart and are a #6 flat head counter sunk screw for straight brake not philips under the battery
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Fri Sep 24 18:44:43 2021
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:44:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] plywood under battery
References: <1256359848.674420.1632530683079.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1256359848.674420.1632530683079@mail.yahoo.com>

I find it interesting that Jims early MK1 and my mid runMK1a have the same spacing for screw holes holding down the plywood under the battery even ?though the wood piece is not exactly the same due to them having been replaced over the years. ?Could some have been screwed/some not?? holes are very small you would have to look close to see them especially if paint is deteriorated or some surface rust
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Sep 24 19:30:06 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:30:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] plywood under battery
In-Reply-To: <1256359848.674420.1632530683079@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.29.1632533413.5552.tigers@autox.team.net>

I made the two pieces for my Tiger today out of wood I already had.? I cut the side piece out of maple as per the Rootes drawing.? For the trunk floor piece, I used 1/4" oak cut to 11-1/2 x 3. Thirteen inches would have been to long.? The battery tray is 13".? Polyurethaned both.? My car has the holes in the floor.? Didn't really care about using beech wood or whatever goes under the battery.? Sure won't be removing the battery so a judge can inspect it.? How many judges will be able to verify beech wood anyway.? I'm sure it should be European beech as apposed to American beech.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 9/24/21  8:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] plywood under battery 
I find it interesting that Jims early MK1 and my mid runMK1a have the same spacing for screw holes holding down the plywood under the battery even ?though the wood piece is not exactly the same due to them having been replaced over the years. ?Could some have been screwed/some not?? holes are very small you would have to look close to see them especially if paint is deteriorated or some surface rust
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Sep 24 23:43:33 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:43:33 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] battery wood pieces
In-Reply-To: <605554394.773535.1632528954345@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <605554394.773535.1632528954345@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5C948D70-BF0D-454C-9F76-5883EB9B6710@comcast.net>

Raw state, I believe.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

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> I wonder if these pieces of wood were sealed, stained, or varnished or shellacked to preserve them or just put in the car in a raw state
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Sep 25 07:48:10 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:48:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] battery wood pieces
In-Reply-To: <5C948D70-BF0D-454C-9F76-5883EB9B6710@comcast.net>
References: <605554394.773535.1632528954345@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <000901d7b213$fb8689a0$f2939ce0$@bluefrog.com>

The drawing indicates a Finish Symbol ? 57 but we need a decoder ring to understands it?s meaning.

 

I would think any wood product in England would have a primer coat or finish coat of some sort for protection but that costs time and money.

 

There should be other drawings associated with drawing #2231040 that indicates vendor, hardware, assembly and the 2nd piece of wood if it is an original part.

 

Those drawing would need to be found.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 1:44 AM
To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] battery wood pieces

 

Raw state, I believe.

Gary

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 24, 2021, at 5:31 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

I wonder if these pieces of wood were sealed, stained, or varnished or shellacked to preserve them or just put in the car in a raw state

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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Sat Sep 25 15:04:27 2021
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 21:04:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] wood finish
References: <594822151.130626.1632603867257.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <594822151.130626.1632603867257@mail.yahoo.com>

I would agree it would follow the theme, no sealant, no paint. ?just like the torch cut holes as apposed to a drill bit or chassis punched hole
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Sep 27 12:16:59 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:16:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] under the battery wood
Message-ID: <000601d7b3cb$dd99dbe0$98cd93a0$@bluefrog.com>

I got curious today and dug deeper, under the battery tray.

I found 2 paint filled holes 9 ?? apart      hole diameter = .107?

 

I also took a closer look at my side wood piece ? looks like I made that
part and it looks like a polyurethane coating.

 

The fasteners I got wrong here ? I had #6 x ??  Stainless pan head screws

I bought some SS #6 x ?? flat countersunk head screws to replace them.

 

I?ll recap this subject:

Side wood

There is a drawing for the side wood available #2231040.

Dimensions ? 10.437? x .875? x .437?

Material ? Hard wood ? Beech

Finish Symbol ? 57 ? I found information stating that Finish 57 is wood
preservative to resist rot and termites

 

Bottom wood

I found evidence on my trunk floor that there could be a wood piece under
the battery tray but no confirming documentation yet.

Dimensions ? I?ll take a WAG at them      11.5? x 2? x .437?
WAG = Wild Ass Guess

Fastener holes ? same as in drawing - #2231040

Material ? Hard wood = Beech

Finish symbol ? 57

 

Fasteners ? there is no confirming documentation yet for either wood piece

 

Ron Fraser

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From stotews at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 13:02:14 2021
From: stotews at gmail.com (wes stote)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:02:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Front springs mk 1
Message-ID: <CAMWLwUuShXn8T0sf2+S2aY+KPOPB2f6+cXEXz1_qGNyEXAXacQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone dealt with Coil Spring Specialties, St Mary's, KS.
Wes Stote. wstote at hotmail.com
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Sep 28 08:45:39 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:45:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Under Battery Tray Wood piece...
Message-ID: <000201d7b477$82e98950$88bc9bf0$@mayfco.com>

Ok, so I sorta hate to open this up again. 

 

Wasn't there a drawing or link to a drawing for the under battery wood
piece? I ask, because in my inimitable way, I have cross filled it to some
unknown location in my 'puter file system.  So if one of ya has the actual
dimensions as shown on that drawing or the link or a copy of the drawing can
you please sent it to me?  I went out yesterday and moved the battery tray
on "xxxx1136" Mk I and yes, I have a screw hole but only one and it is about
mid tray on the outside of the tray location. And no wood.  BUT, sometime in
the past I put a piece inside the tray, why I do not remember (hey, I have
owned this car since Jan 1967 - lots of water under that bridge).  And I
have no idea as to why I did it  'cause it was many years ago.  I do have
the side piece however. 

 

Anyway, if you have a copy of that drawing, the one under the tray, not the
one mounted to the frame rail on the side,  or a link I would appreciate it.


 

By the way, if you look at the mechanics of the how the wood is supposed to
be helping, it really doesn't.  If the tray sits directly on the metal floor
and abuts the piece on the frame, the battery bolts that hold the bat in
place keep it up against the side and firmly on the bottom.  I have all of
the other OEM battery box  pieces and the battery in my car simply will not
move when it is in place and tightened down. No movement.   Oh, I moved the
car out of the race car shop to my main garage a few months  ago, fired it
up and drove it over. Then I disconnected the ground cable  from the
battery. Volt meter yesterday showed 12.5 volts after all that time.   I
have a spare race car disconnect switch which I will put in the car to
facilitate disconnecting soon.   Oh, and I  still  have  the battery vent
hose in my car after all these years also. Not connected to anything because
batteries with the vented caps are nonexistent  where I  am. 

 

Anyway, nice chatting this morning. very smokey here  in Pahrump last few
weeks. I live about 10 miles from an 11000ftmt  and we cannot see it most
days.  Eyes watering most of the time. 

 

Mayf  aka drmayf  aka larry

TWFS 210.779 mph crossing  the final trap light. In 2010, Sept 16th  

Mile average was 204.913 mph

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Sep 28 09:44:45 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 11:44:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Under Battery Tray Wood piece...
In-Reply-To: <000201d7b477$82e98950$88bc9bf0$@mayfco.com>
References: <000201d7b477$82e98950$88bc9bf0$@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <001001d7b47f$c4ef43a0$4ecdcae0$@bluefrog.com>

Mayf

                I have not seen any documentation or drawing for the under
battery tray wood.

I do hope some surfaces.

 

Interesting, you only have 1 screw hole for the wood.

If you get a chance can you take a picture and send it, that would be great
to document.

 

I have plywood under my battery because my battery is too short, it needs to
be higher so the battery bolts don't dig into the plywood trunk deck.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield via
Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:46 AM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Under Battery Tray Wood piece...

 

Ok, so I sorta hate to open this up again. 

 

Wasn't there a drawing or link to a drawing for the under battery wood
piece? I ask, because in my inimitable way, I have cross filled it to some
unknown location in my 'puter file system.  So if one of ya has the actual
dimensions as shown on that drawing or the link or a copy of the drawing can
you please sent it to me?  I went out yesterday and moved the battery tray
on "xxxx1136" Mk I and yes, I have a screw hole but only one and it is about
mid tray on the outside of the tray location. And no wood.  BUT, sometime in
the past I put a piece inside the tray, why I do not remember (hey, I have
owned this car since Jan 1967 - lots of water under that bridge).  And I
have no idea as to why I did it  'cause it was many years ago.  I do have
the side piece however. 

 

Anyway, if you have a copy of that drawing, the one under the tray, not the
one mounted to the frame rail on the side,  or a link I would appreciate it.


 

By the way, if you look at the mechanics of the how the wood is supposed to
be helping, it really doesn't.  If the tray sits directly on the metal floor
and abuts the piece on the frame, the battery bolts that hold the bat in
place keep it up against the side and firmly on the bottom.  I have all of
the other OEM battery box  pieces and the battery in my car simply will not
move when it is in place and tightened down. No movement.   Oh, I moved the
car out of the race car shop to my main garage a few months  ago, fired it
up and drove it over. Then I disconnected the ground cable  from the
battery. Volt meter yesterday showed 12.5 volts after all that time.   I
have a spare race car disconnect switch which I will put in the car to
facilitate disconnecting soon.   Oh, and I  still  have  the battery vent
hose in my car after all these years also. Not connected to anything because
batteries with the vented caps are nonexistent  where I  am. 

 

Anyway, nice chatting this morning. very smokey here  in Pahrump last few
weeks. I live about 10 miles from an 11000ftmt  and we cannot see it most
days.  Eyes watering most of the time. 

 

Mayf  aka drmayf  aka larry

TWFS 210.779 mph crossing  the final trap light. In 2010, Sept 16th  

Mile average was 204.913 mph

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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Tue Sep 28 19:38:12 2021
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 01:38:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] battery tray wood
References: <1473981541.26905.1632879493573.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1473981541.26905.1632879493573@mail.yahoo.com>

this is a pix of 1/4 inch plywood piece from an all original MK1A, has the two securing screw that are offset from center line, 9 inches apart, it is 2 3/4 inches wide and 13 inch long...I took these pics today from a known original car...clyde McLaughlin




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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 29 06:58:26 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] battery tray wood
In-Reply-To: <1473981541.26905.1632879493573@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1473981541.26905.1632879493573.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1473981541.26905.1632879493573@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201d7b531$b206bd10$16143730$@bluefrog.com>

Clyde

                Thank you for the picture.

Interesting!   Plywood!

Not what I expected but that is the nature of these quests.

We need an open mind to evaluate and understand original parts.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of clyde mclaughlin via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:38 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] battery tray wood

 

this is a pix of 1/4 inch plywood piece from an all original MK1A, has the two securing screw that are offset from center line, 9 inches apart, it is 2 3/4 inches wide and 13 inch long...I took these pics today from a known original car...clyde McLaughlin 

 

 

 

 

 

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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 29 14:53:03 2021
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:53:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 14:57:30 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:57:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I?m pretty sure they were not.  I actually have one for an Alpine, still NOS.  But I know that in the Alpine world, they go kind of nuts that it?s really bad for handling if they are added.  I do trust some of the folks who?ve I seen make those statements. But, I don?t have any better info about it.

However, some of those same folks endorse putting thicker front sway bars on.  It?s my understanding that it?s all relative.  So if they stiffen the front, and the overall balance was good before, then the rear should also be stiffened.  But, heck, that?s just me.  They claim to be the experts.

Jay

> On Sep 29, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joel Martin
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 29 15:02:44 2021
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 21:02:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Lifter adjustment
References: <1818438260.222515.1632949364253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I have 289 HP heads with screw in studs.? What is the cold adjustment they should be - no roller rockers and torque settings for the heads.?? Do you have to loosen the motor mounts to get the valve covers off, lower or raise?? I would think lower to get the valve covers off.? With 5,000 miles since car has been redone, it is time for some sorting out.? The first 5,000 miles required very little and has been a blast up to 60 mph and curves so far.
I have changed the oil 2 times during the 5,000 miles and? what a pain it is to replace the filter with the stock set up.? If anyone could explain their process for oil filter change, that works 'easier' it would be greatly appreciated.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 29 15:21:00 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:21:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Lifter adjustment
In-Reply-To: <1818438260.222515.1632949364253@mail.yahoo.com>
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Joel

                I believe the valve adjustment depends on which cam you have.

 

Valve covers ? I can get the stock valve covers off with a bit of a fight.

 

Oil filter ? I have the Motorsport right angle adaptor off the block and a Fram 3600 filter

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 5:03 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Lifter adjustment

 

I have 289 HP heads with screw in studs.  What is the cold adjustment they should be - no roller rockers and torque settings for the heads.?  Do you have to loosen the motor mounts to get the valve covers off, lower or raise?  I would think lower to get the valve covers off.  With 5,000 miles since car has been redone, it is time for some sorting out.  The first 5,000 miles required very little and has been a blast up to 60 mph and curves so far.

 

I have changed the oil 2 times during the 5,000 miles and  what a pain it is to replace the filter with the stock set up.  If anyone could explain their process for oil filter change, that works 'easier' it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 15:59:05 2021
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:59:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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FWIW, my previous owner put a much heavier sway bar on the front, which I
only discovered when I tried to replace its rubber bushings. During some
spirited parade laps on a road course the thing understeered like a pig, I
wondered if the front tires were going to get ripped off their rims.  The
PO had also put helper leafs on the rear springs, but I took them off
because of the overly stiff ride.  Maybe these would have stiffened the
rear to match the front, but the stiffer front bar alone doesn't work.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 4:54 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option
> or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures
> of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel Martin
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 29 17:09:09 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:09:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  Lifter adjustment
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Message-ID: <002001d7b587$031fff40$095ffdc0$@bluefrog.com>

 

 

From: Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:44 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lifter adjustment

 

Generally the valve lash is .010 intake and .012 exhaust cold. On a 271 hp Ford solid lifter cam. The 90 degree Ford Motorsports adaptor is a game changer literally, well worth the price. 

 

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 5:21 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Joel

                I believe the valve adjustment depends on which cam you have.

 

Valve covers ? I can get the stock valve covers off with a bit of a fight.

 

Oil filter ? I have the Motorsport right angle adaptor off the block and a Fram 3600 filter

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 5:03 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Tigers] Lifter adjustment

 

I have 289 HP heads with screw in studs.  What is the cold adjustment they should be - no roller rockers and torque settings for the heads.?  Do you have to loosen the motor mounts to get the valve covers off, lower or raise?  I would think lower to get the valve covers off.  With 5,000 miles since car has been redone, it is time for some sorting out.  The first 5,000 miles required very little and has been a blast up to 60 mph and curves so far.

 

I have changed the oil 2 times during the 5,000 miles and  what a pain it is to replace the filter with the stock set up.  If anyone could explain their process for oil filter change, that works 'easier' it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

Joel Martin

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 29 17:15:42 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:15:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Joel

                A rear sway bar was not original to the Tiger and I don?t see one listed as an LAT.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 4:53 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

 

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?

 

Thanks

 

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Sep 29 18:44:00 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:44:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Lifter adjustment
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Well, depends on what kind of lifters you have.  Hydraulics, same as oem. Solid lifters and cam, need a few through clearance.   High performance hydraulic, look to the cam maker for adjustment instructions.  

 

mayf

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 2:03 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Lifter adjustment

 

I have 289 HP heads with screw in studs.  What is the cold adjustment they should be - no roller rockers and torque settings for the heads.?  Do you have to loosen the motor mounts to get the valve covers off, lower or raise?  I would think lower to get the valve covers off.  With 5,000 miles since car has been redone, it is time for some sorting out.  The first 5,000 miles required very little and has been a blast up to 60 mph and curves so far.

 

I have changed the oil 2 times during the 5,000 miles and  what a pain it is to replace the filter with the stock set up.  If anyone could explain their process for oil filter change, that works 'easier' it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Wed Sep 29 19:27:49 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:27:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?
Mike


-----Original Message-----
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To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
Thanks
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Wed Sep 29 19:42:36 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:42:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Should have added, the most common bar used is an Addco that has funky clamps and extensions. My car had one when I bought it, I 86'ed it soon after buying.


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To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?
Mike


-----Original Message-----
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To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
Thanks
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From MTaylor at ea.com  Thu Sep 30 08:07:49 2021
From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:07:49 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I don't know about "total grip capability," but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I've driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.  It's possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.

Matthew

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?

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From srwick at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 30 08:49:54 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:49:54 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mounting bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car hard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks guys.

Steve

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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar


I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.  It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.



Matthew



From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar



Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.



Mike


-----Original Message-----
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To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?



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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Sep 30 09:21:35 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:21:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.  The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.
Very impressive and fast.
Gary 

>     On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.  It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.
> 
> 
>     Matthew
> 
> 
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
>     Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
>     To: tigers at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
> 
>      
> 
>     Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability. 
> 
>      
> 
>     Mike
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net >
>     To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net >
>     Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
>     Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
> 
>     Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
> 
>      
> 
>     Thanks
> 
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 09:41:25 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:41:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)

-----Original Message-----
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>; Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

  I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.   It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.? The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.   Very impressive and fast.   Gary?  
  On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:   
   
   
I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.? I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.? A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.? It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.
 


 
Matthew
 


   
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
      
?
 
Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?
   
?
   
Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
      
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
   
?
   
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 09:54:51 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:54:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I would also like pictures or drawings.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and
> mounting bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found
> one. I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my
> car hard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying
> around and wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of
> both so I could replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with
> the bracket on the right side. Thanks guys.
>
> Steve
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Taylor,
> Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
> *To:* Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <
> tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
>
>
> I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive
> his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I?ve driven and
> autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway
> bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to
> the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is
> much faster than the other.  It?s possible that one could be faster than
> the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a
> second based on my autocross experiences.
>
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Wood via Tigers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
>
>
>
> Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've
> yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct
> angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements)
> that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
>
> Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option
> or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures
> of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
>
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 10:01:14 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area issues.?
tigerengineering.net
Mike



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>
Cc: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I would also like pictures or drawings.
Thanks,Joe Brown
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mounting bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car hard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks?guys.
Steve
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar?
I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.? I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.? A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.? It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.

?

Matthew

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

?

Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?

?

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?

?

Thanks

?

Joel Martin

?
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From MTaylor at ea.com  Thu Sep 30 10:49:09 2021
From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:49:09 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.  I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1? front sway bar.  I don?t think he has a rear bar but I?m not positive.

And Gary, the set up isn?t that hard.  100% stock rear springs.  Slightly stiffer front springs.

Matthew

From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
To: garywinblad at comcast.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)

-----Original Message-----
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com<mailto:MTaylor at ea.com>>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>; Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com<mailto:mwood24020 at aol.com>>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.  The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.
Very impressive and fast.
Gary
On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:



I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.  It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.



Matthew



From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar



Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.



Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?



Thanks



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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 11:02:42 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:02:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.? But, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)
No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal in my experience.??



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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am
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I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.? I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1? front sway bar.? I don?t think he has a rear bar but I?m not positive.
 
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And Gary, the set up isn?t that hard.? 100% stock rear springs.? Slightly stiffer front springs.
 
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Matthew
 
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From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
To: garywinblad at comcast.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)

-----Original Message-----
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>; Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
 
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.? The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.
 
Very impressive and fast.
 
Gary?
 

On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.? I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.? A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.? It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.
 
 ?
 
Matthew
 
 ?
 
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
?
 
Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?
 
?
 
Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
 
?
 
Thanks
 
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 11:20:52 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:20:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at that time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.
In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of testing and SCCA national level autocross success? :)





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To: MTaylor at ea.com <MTaylor at ea.com>; garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
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No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.? But, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)
No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal in my experience.??



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To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>; garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
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I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.? I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1? front sway bar.? I don?t think he has a rear bar but I?m not positive.
 
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And Gary, the set up isn?t that hard.? 100% stock rear springs.? Slightly stiffer front springs.
 
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Matthew
 
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
To: garywinblad at comcast.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)

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To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>; Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
 
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.? The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.
 
Very impressive and fast.
 
Gary?
 

On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
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I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.? I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.? A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.? It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.
 
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Matthew
 
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
?
 
Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?
 
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Mike


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Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
 
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Thanks
 
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From dan_doornbos at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 30 11:23:53 2021
From: dan_doornbos at hotmail.com (daniel doornbos)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:23:53 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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I couldn't find an aftermarket rear sway bar for the Tiger I liked.  And I looked at the DIY weld kits.  But after reading and finding that bending and welding impact metal spring rate and you should temper the bar post fabrication to get it to work correctly.  For the rear end and space I needed to put in bends around the pumpkin and linkages.

I do recognize that welded options will also work well.  My Mustang II front end from Mike H has a welded bar.  But for the rear packaging, I needed too many bends and couldn't locate a straight bar type in the space.   In the end, I went with a custom-built from https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/ It was a premium price but they were great to work with.

Maybe in the next decade I'll get enough motivation to finish and drive the car to see how good my choices were.

dan
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Sep 30 12:16:26 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:16:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] battery tray wood
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Hello

I found a place on line that carries beech wood and will cut it to exact specs to match our battery tray wood. The name of the place is Ocooch Hardwoods in WI.

http://ocoochhardwoods.com/

Here is the quote they sent me.
Item	Price	Quantity	Subtotal
1/4" Beech 2.75" wide 13" long	$1.38	1	$1.38
7/16" Beech 0.875" wide 10.4375 long	$1.40	1	$1.40
Total:	$2.78
Shipping:	$9.47
Tax:	$0
Grand Total:	$12.25
Compared to price, Shipping is a bit steep, but in general pretty reasonable. I did not have them drill holes, I will take care of that.

I just placed an order

Jim


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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 12:34:20 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:34:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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No doubt, a custom made rear bar, preferably adjustable, can be helpful, particularly with a modified front end. Agree, the aftermarket stuff available is not worth buying. Tiger guys tend to just do what others have done before them, I'm afraid. Not a lot of testing or work goes into many decisions and, because most of the cars don't work as well as they could, no one can tell the difference.?


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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:24 am
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar

 #yiv1305004813 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I couldn't find an aftermarket rear sway bar for the Tiger I liked.? And I looked at the DIY weld kits.? But after reading and finding that bending and welding impact metal spring rate and you should temper the bar post fabrication to get it to work correctly.? For the rear end and space I needed to put in bends around the pumpkin and linkages.? ??
I do recognize that welded options will also work well.? My Mustang II front end from Mike H has a welded bar.? But for the rear packaging, I needed too many bends and couldn't locate a straight bar type in the space.? ?In the end, I went with a custom-built from?https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/?It was a premium price but they were great to work with.?
Maybe in the next decade I'll get enough motivation to finish and drive the car to see how good my choices were.
dan
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 12:38:48 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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Well...that was meant to go directly to Dan lol
Looks like I've outed myself. But, that's been my experience, YMMV.

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To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar

No doubt, a custom made rear bar, preferably adjustable, can be helpful, particularly with a modified front end. Agree, the aftermarket stuff available is not worth buying. Tiger guys tend to just do what others have done before them, I'm afraid. Not a lot of testing or work goes into many decisions and, because most of the cars don't work as well as they could, no one can tell the difference.?


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To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:24 am
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar

 #yiv2119575773 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I couldn't find an aftermarket rear sway bar for the Tiger I liked.? And I looked at the DIY weld kits.? But after reading and finding that bending and welding impact metal spring rate and you should temper the bar post fabrication to get it to work correctly.? For the rear end and space I needed to put in bends around the pumpkin and linkages.? ??
I do recognize that welded options will also work well.? My Mustang II front end from Mike H has a welded bar.? But for the rear packaging, I needed too many bends and couldn't locate a straight bar type in the space.? ?In the end, I went with a custom-built from?https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/?It was a premium price but they were great to work with.?
Maybe in the next decade I'll get enough motivation to finish and drive the car to see how good my choices were.
dan
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Sep 30 12:45:27 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:45:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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Its all good advice we all learn from you, thanks Mike.
Gary


>     On 09/30/2021 2:38 PM Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Well...that was meant to go directly to Dan lol
> 
>     Looks like I've outed myself. But, that's been my experience, YMMV.
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>     To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 11:35 am
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
> 
>     No doubt, a custom made rear bar, preferably adjustable, can be helpful, particularly with a modified front end. Agree, the aftermarket stuff available is not worth buying. Tiger guys tend to just do what others have done before them, I'm afraid. Not a lot of testing or work goes into many decisions and, because most of the cars don't work as well as they could, no one can tell the difference. 
> 
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>     Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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>     I couldn't find an aftermarket rear sway bar for the Tiger I liked.  And I looked at the DIY weld kits.  But after reading and finding that bending and welding impact metal spring rate and you should temper the bar post fabrication to get it to work correctly.  For the rear end and space I needed to put in bends around the pumpkin and linkages.    
> 
>     I do recognize that welded options will also work well.  My Mustang II front end from Mike H has a welded bar.  But for the rear packaging, I needed too many bends and couldn't locate a straight bar type in the space.   In the end, I went with a custom-built from https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/ It was a premium price but they were great to work with. 
> 
>     Maybe in the next decade I'll get enough motivation to finish and drive the car to see how good my choices were.
> 
>     dan https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/
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From jim at island.net  Thu Sep 30 12:45:51 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:45:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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My car came with a home made 1 1/8? front bar so understeered a lot!  I got
an addco rear bar but couldn?t figure out how to mount it so I made my own

mounted in front of the rear end and welded a couple tabs on the side of the
plate that the u-bolts go through to hold the lower links. The brackets that
I made are very strong  ( 6-3/8? bolts per side) and you?d have to rip the
car apart before they would let go!  The calculations say it?s only giving
me about 75 lbs./inch with 12? arms and a 34?  ?? solid bar. It makes quite
a difference which between the 3  adjustment holes though. I got the bar.
arms etc. from Speedway Engineering ( $200 ) and it was pretty reasonable
actually
 biggest job was to make the brackets!

On another note, I have the ?Stock? mounting for my panhard rod 
I?m not
sure if it?s causing this ( I think likely ) but I notice in hard cornering
that the car will understeer some on left turns and oversteer on right turns
!! Anyone else notice that effect ? I have quite a bit of ?ackerman?
correction in the front suspension also



Jim

B382000446

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of daniel doornbos
via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:24 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar

 

I couldn't find an aftermarket rear sway bar for the Tiger I liked.  And I
looked at the DIY weld kits.  But after reading and finding that bending and
welding impact metal spring rate and you should temper the bar post
fabrication to get it to work correctly.  For the rear end and space I
needed to put in bends around the pumpkin and linkages.    

 

I do recognize that welded options will also work well.  My Mustang II front
end from Mike H has a welded bar.  But for the rear packaging, I needed too
many bends and couldn't locate a straight bar type in the space.   In the
end, I went with a custom-built from  <https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/>
https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/ It was a premium price but they were great
to work with. 

 

Maybe in the next decade I'll get enough motivation to finish and drive the
car to see how good my choices were.

 

dan


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Newland, NC

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market today. Industry leading R&D, commitment to customer satisfaction.

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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 12:53:33 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:53:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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Thanks, Gary. I sometimes can be a little...umm...opinionated? I guess that's always been part of Tigering :)
But, I do spend a fair amount of time on suspension stuff and have done a good amount of testing. Still, I certainly don't know it all and am always open to learning more.


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To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>; Michael Wood via Tigers <tiger
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 11:45 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar

  Its all good advice we all learn from you, thanks Mike.   Gary   
  
  On 09/30/2021 2:38 PM Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:   
   
    Well...that was meant to go directly to Dan lol   
   Looks like I've outed myself. But, that's been my experience, YMMV. 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> 
To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 11:35 am 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar 
 
      No doubt, a custom made rear bar, preferably adjustable, can be helpful, particularly with a modified front end. Agree, the aftermarket stuff available is not worth buying. Tiger guys tend to just do what others have done before them, I'm afraid. Not a lot of testing or work goes into many decisions and, because most of the cars don't work as well as they could, no one can tell the difference.? 
 
 
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To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:24 am 
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar 
 
      I couldn't find an aftermarket rear sway bar for the Tiger I liked.? And I looked at the DIY weld kits.? But after reading and finding that bending and welding impact metal spring rate and you should temper the bar post fabrication to get it to work correctly.? For the rear end and space I needed to put in bends around the pumpkin and linkages.? ??   
   I do recognize that welded options will also work well.? My Mustang II front end from Mike H has a welded bar.? But for the rear packaging, I needed too many bends and couldn't locate a straight bar type in the space.? ?In the end, I went with a custom-built from?https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/?It was a premium price but they were great to work with.?   
   Maybe in the next decade I'll get enough motivation to finish and drive the car to see how good my choices were.   
   dan    
|     |   Carolina Swaybar Manufacturing - Newland, NC   Carolina Swaybar Manufacturing designs and creates the best swaybars on the market today. Industry leading R&D, commitment to customer satisfaction.   www.carolinaswaybar.com  |

   
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 13:23:01 2021
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:23:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Lifter adjustment
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Joel, 1) listen to the experts, and the shop manual re valve lash,

2) unless there's stuff in the way you can unbolt the transmission
crossmember and drop the transmission tail down with a floor jack enough to
remove the valve covers.  That should give you clearance to remove the
valve covers if they're anything close to stock.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 8:47 PM Larry Mayfield via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Well, depends on what kind of lifters you have.  Hydraulics, same as oem.
> Solid lifters and cam, need a few through clearance.   High performance
> hydraulic, look to the cam maker for adjustment instructions.
>
>
>
> mayf
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joel Martin
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2021 2:03 PM
> *To:* Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Lifter adjustment
>
>
>
> I have 289 HP heads with screw in studs.  What is the cold adjustment they
> should be - no roller rockers and torque settings for the heads.?  Do you
> have to loosen the motor mounts to get the valve covers off, lower or
> raise?  I would think lower to get the valve covers off.  With 5,000 miles
> since car has been redone, it is time for some sorting out.  The first
> 5,000 miles required very little and has been a blast up to 60 mph and
> curves so far.
>
>
>
> I have changed the oil 2 times during the 5,000 miles and  what a pain it
> is to replace the filter with the stock set up.  If anyone could explain
> their process for oil filter change, that works 'easier' it would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Joel Martin
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Sep 30 14:06:02 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:06:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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Jim,
Nice installation!
My analysis is get rid of that stock panhard rod.
Put your shocks on full soft and drive down the freeway.  As you go over slight dips an bumps the rear end will steer the Tiger
downright dangerously.  The stock rod is too short and is mounted not parallel to the ground.
To get the stability back in the rear axle you get some springs with small bushings in the front, I got Dale's springs.
SO much better!
Gary


>     On 09/30/2021 2:45 PM jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     My car came with a home made 1 1/8? front bar so understeered a lot!  I got an addco rear bar but couldn?t figure out how to mount it so I made my own? mounted in front of the rear end and welded a couple tabs on the side of the plate that the u-bolts go through to hold the lower links. The brackets that I made are very strong  ( 6-3/8? bolts per side) and you?d have to rip the car apart before they would let go!  The calculations say it?s only giving me about 75 lbs./inch with 12? arms and a 34?  ?? solid bar. It makes quite a difference which between the 3  adjustment holes though. I got the bar. arms etc. from Speedway Engineering ( $200 ) and it was pretty reasonable actually? biggest job was to make the brackets!
> 
>     On another note, I have the ?Stock? mounting for my panhard rod ?I?m not sure if it?s causing this ( I think likely ) but I notice in hard cornering that the car will understeer some on left turns and oversteer on right turns !! Anyone else notice that effect ? I have quite a bit of ?ackerman? correction in the front suspension also
> 
>     [A close-up of a car engine  Description automatically generated with low confidence]
> 
>     Jim
> 
>     B382000446
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of daniel doornbos via Tigers
>     Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:24 AM
>     To: tigers at autox.team.net
>     Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
> 
> 
>     I couldn't find an aftermarket rear sway bar for the Tiger I liked.  And I looked at the DIY weld kits.  But after reading and finding that bending and welding impact metal spring rate and you should temper the bar post fabrication to get it to work correctly.  For the rear end and space I needed to put in bends around the pumpkin and linkages.    
> 
>      
> 
>     I do recognize that welded options will also work well.  My Mustang II front end from Mike H has a welded bar.  But for the rear packaging, I needed too many bends and couldn't locate a straight bar type in the space.   In the end, I went with a custom-built from https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/ https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/  It was a premium price but they were great to work with. 
> 
>      
> 
>     Maybe in the next decade I'll get enough motivation to finish and drive the car to see how good my choices were.
> 
>      
> 
>     dan https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/
> 
>     Carolina Swaybar Manufacturing - Newland, NC https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/
> 
>     Carolina Swaybar Manufacturing designs and creates the best swaybars on the market today. Industry leading R&D, commitment to customer satisfaction.
> 
>     www.carolinaswaybar.com http://www.carolinaswaybar.com
> 
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 30 15:00:09 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 21:00:09 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "typical" ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing. Without knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling nuts welded to the surface of it in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a little more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I then made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of the coupling nuts and butt welded that to the inner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling nuts. It looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses for the panhard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connected to both sides of the frame rail. That's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was unaware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like what I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom build a bracket and bar, located so the bar is parallel with the ground and not at an angle.

Steve

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From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM
To: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>; srwick at hotmail.com <srwick at hotmail.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>; MTaylor at ea.com <MTaylor at ea.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area issues.

tigerengineering.net

Mike




-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>
Cc: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I would also like pictures or drawings.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mounting bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car hard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks guys.

Steve

________________________________
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com<mailto:mwood24020 at aol.com>>; tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar


I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.  It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.



Matthew



From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar



Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.



Mike


-----Original Message-----
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To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?



Thanks



Joel Martin



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From MTaylor at ea.com  Thu Sep 30 15:20:43 2021
From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 21:20:43 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I believe that was LAT 40?

Also, don't forget that all factory options were legal in SCCA in 1965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I don't know if anything changed after that in the AHRA).  But that was back when things really mattered for the factory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in the AHRA and should have been National champ the NHRA but that is another story.

Matthew

From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; garywinblad at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at that time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.

In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of testing and SCCA national level autocross success  :)






-----Original Message-----
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To: MTaylor at ea.com<mailto:MTaylor at ea.com> <MTaylor at ea.com<mailto:MTaylor at ea.com>>; garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> <garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>; tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.  But, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)

No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal in my experience.




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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.  I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1" front sway bar.  I don't think he has a rear bar but I'm not positive.



And Gary, the set up isn't that hard.  100% stock rear springs.  Slightly stiffer front springs.



Matthew



From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com<mailto:mwood24020 at aol.com>>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)

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From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com<mailto:MTaylor at ea.com>>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>; Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com<mailto:mwood24020 at aol.com>>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.

It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.  The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.

Very impressive and fast.

Gary

On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:





I don't know about "total grip capability," but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I've driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.  It's possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.



Matthew



From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar



Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.



Mike


-----Original Message-----
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To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?



Thanks



Joel Martin
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 16:01:45 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 22:01:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I think what you're suggesting would work better than trying to replicate the stock set up.?Mike


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To: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>; Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>; MTaylor at ea.com <MTaylor at ea.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

#yiv2295268496 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "typical" ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing. Without knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling nuts welded to the surface of it in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a little more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I then made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of the coupling nuts and butt welded that to the inner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling nuts. It looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses for the panhard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connected to both sides of the frame rail. That's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was unaware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like what I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom build a bracket and bar, located so the bar is parallel with the ground and not at an angle.
Steve
From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM
To: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>; srwick at hotmail.com <srwick at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar?If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area issues.?
tigerengineering.net
Mike



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From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>
Cc: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I would also like pictures or drawings.
Thanks,Joe Brown
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mounting bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car hard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks?guys.
Steve
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>;tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar?
I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.? I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.? A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.? It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.

?

Matthew

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

?

Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?

?

Mike


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To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?

?

Thanks

?

Joel Martin

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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 16:04:00 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 22:04:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and Ford's money) when it came to the LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC car was scrutinized back in the day, they'd have found a lot more than a few LAT listed items... ;)
Mike?


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I believe that was LAT 40?? 
 
 ?
 
Also, don?t forget that all factory options were legal in SCCA in 1965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I don?t know if anything changed after that in the AHRA).? But that was back when things really mattered for the factory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in the AHRA and should have been National champ the NHRA but that is another story.
 
 ?
 
Matthew
 
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From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; garywinblad at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
 ?
 
Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at that time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.
 
 ?
 
In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of testing and SCCA national level autocross success? :)
 
 ?
 
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.? But, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)
 
 ?
 
No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal in my experience.??
 
 ?
 



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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.? I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1? front sway bar.? I don?t think he has a rear bar but I?m not positive.
 
?
 
And Gary, the set up isn?t that hard.? 100% stock rear springs.? Slightly stiffer front springs.
 
?
 
Matthew
 
?
 
From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
To: garywinblad at comcast.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>;tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)

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From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>; Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
 
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.? The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.
 
Very impressive and fast.
 
Gary?
 

On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
?
 
?
 
I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.? I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.? A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.? It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.
 
?
 
Matthew
 
?
 
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
?
 
Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?
 
?
 
Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
 
?
 
Thanks
 
?
 
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 19:13:18 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 01:13:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
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I wish Dale still had some of those springs for sale!! I talked to him about making more, but his guy went out of business.?Mike


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To: jim <jim at island.net>; jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>; daniel doornbos <dan_doornbos at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 1:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar

  Jim,   Nice installation!   My analysis is get rid of that stock panhard rod.   Put your shocks on full soft and drive down the freeway.? As you go over slight dips an bumps the rear end will steer the Tiger   downright dangerously.? The stock rod is too short and is mounted not parallel to the ground.   To get the stability back in the rear axle you get some springs with small bushings in the front, I got Dale's springs.   SO much better!   Gary   
  
  On 09/30/2021 2:45 PM jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:   
   
   
My car came with a home made 1 1/8? front bar so understeered a lot!? I got an addco rear bar but couldn?t figure out how to mount it so I made my own? mounted in front of the rear end and welded a couple tabs on the side of the plate that the u-bolts go through to hold the lower links. The brackets that I made are very strong ?( 6-3/8? bolts per side) and you?d have to rip the car apart before they would let go!? The calculations say it?s only giving me about 75 lbs./inch with 12? arms and a 34? ??? solid bar. It makes quite a difference which between the 3? adjustment holes though. I got the bar. arms etc. from Speedway Engineering ( $200 ) and it was pretty reasonable actually? biggest job was to make the brackets!
 
On another note, I have the ?Stock? mounting for my panhard rod ?I?m not sure if it?s causing this ( I think likely ) but I notice in hard cornering that the car will understeer some on left turns and oversteer on right turns !! Anyone else notice that effect ? I have quite a bit of ?ackerman? correction in the front suspension also
 

 
Jim
 
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of daniel doornbos via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:24 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar
   


  
I couldn't find an aftermarket rear sway bar for the Tiger I liked.? And I looked at the DIY weld kits.? But after reading and finding that bending and welding impact metal spring rate and you should temper the bar post fabrication to get it to work correctly.? For the rear end and space I needed to put in bends around the pumpkin and linkages.? ??
   
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I do recognize that welded options will also work well.? My Mustang II front end from Mike H has a welded bar.? But for the rear packaging, I needed too many bends and couldn't locate a straight bar type in the space.? ?In the end, I went with a custom-built from?https://www.carolinaswaybar.com/?It was a premium price but they were great to work with.?
   
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Maybe in the next decade I'll get enough motivation to finish and drive the car to see how good my choices were.
   
?
   
dan
    
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From MTaylor at ea.com  Thu Sep 30 19:21:34 2021
From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 01:21:34 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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It wasn?t just Ford.  The Tiger was beating all of the Corvettes too and Chevy knew the Tiger was the car to beat in the championships in 1965 (thus the wreck).  And I would bet they would find a lot of things on all of the cars.  They were all doing whatever they could to get an advantage.

Matthew

From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:04 PM
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; tigers at autox.team.net; garywinblad at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and Ford's money) when it came to the LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC car was scrutinized back in the day, they'd have found a lot more than a few LAT listed items... ;)

Mike


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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:20 pm
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I believe that was LAT 40?



Also, don?t forget that all factory options were legal in SCCA in 1965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I don?t know if anything changed after that in the AHRA).  But that was back when things really mattered for the factory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in the AHRA and should have been National champ the NHRA but that is another story.



Matthew



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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com<mailto:MTaylor at ea.com>>; garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar



Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at that time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.



In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of testing and SCCA national level autocross success  :)










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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.  But, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)



No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal in my experience.





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To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com<mailto:mwood24020 at aol.com>>; garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> <garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>; tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.  I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1? front sway bar.  I don?t think he has a rear bar but I?m not positive.



And Gary, the set up isn?t that hard.  100% stock rear springs.  Slightly stiffer front springs.



Matthew



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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)

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To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com<mailto:MTaylor at ea.com>>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>; Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com<mailto:mwood24020 at aol.com>>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.

It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.  The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.

Very impressive and fast.

Gary

On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:





I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.  I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.  A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.  It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.



Matthew



From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar



Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.



Mike


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Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?  Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?



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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 19:40:44 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 01:40:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Agree 100%. The difference was factory cheating, with associated dollars, versus Doane's ingenuity :)


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Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

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It wasn?t just Ford.? The Tiger was beating all of the Corvettes too and Chevy knew the Tiger was the car to beat in the championships in 1965 (thus the wreck).? And I would bet they would find a lot of things on all of the cars.? They were all doing whatever they could to get an advantage.
 
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Matthew
 
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:04 PM
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor at ea.com>; tigers at autox.team.net; garywinblad at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
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Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and Ford's money) when it came to the LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC car was scrutinized back in the day, they'd have found a lot more than a few LAT listed items... ;)
 
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Mike?


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I believe that was LAT 40??
 
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Also, don?t forget that all factory options were legal in SCCA in 1965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I don?t know if anything changed after that in the AHRA).? But that was back when things really mattered for the factory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in the AHRA and should have been National champ the NHRA but that is another story.
 
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Matthew
 
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
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Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at that time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.
 
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In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of testing and SCCA national level autocross success? :)
 
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No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.? But, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)
 
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No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal in my experience.??
 
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Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.? I think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1? front sway bar.? I don?t think he has a rear bar but I?m not positive.
 
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And Gary, the set up isn?t that hard.? 100% stock rear springs.? Slightly stiffer front springs.
 
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Matthew
 
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)

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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
 
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.? The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his posi.
 
Very impressive and fast.
 
Gary?
 

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I don?t know about ?total grip capability,? but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.? I?ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different.? A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.? It?s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.
 
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Matthew
 
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
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Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.?
 
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Mike


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Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
 
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
 
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Thanks
 
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