From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Nov  4 09:51:29 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 11:51:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] PCV
Message-ID: <000401d7d193$d572b0a0$805811e0$@bluefrog.com>

I was wondering.

 

Has anyone made a drawing of the brass right angle PCV adaptor?

 

Just in case someone wanted to recreate them.

 

Ron Fraser

 

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From jliny5 at cox.net  Fri Nov  5 14:21:19 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 16:21:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Clamps
Message-ID: <21727E4A-F002-482E-9F99-0FED3D5D3CD2@cox.net>

Hello

Can somebody please post a photo of the original battery connections that show the correct cables, clamps and the how they are connected.

Right now, I have quick connect/disconnect connections on the cables which obviously are more functional than original. Trying to figure out a way to be able to switch to an original configuration when I need it.

Thanks

Jim Lindner

Sent from my iPad

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 15:06:38 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 16:06:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Clamps
In-Reply-To: <21727E4A-F002-482E-9F99-0FED3D5D3CD2@cox.net>
References: <21727E4A-F002-482E-9F99-0FED3D5D3CD2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfmajD4SjyRtkwYfAaJs5r=bv1Fu2BvxVaoS62-6L1iPcg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

If you are able to zoom in enough on this picture you can see the original
battery cables.  The ground is bare, braided cable and the positive is
black.

Thanks,
Joe Brown
[image: Trunk.jpg]

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM James Lindner via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello
>
> Can somebody please post a photo of the original battery connections that
> show the correct cables, clamps and the how they are connected.
>
> Right now, I have quick connect/disconnect connections on the cables which
> obviously are more functional than original. Trying to figure out a way to
> be able to switch to an original configuration when I need it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Lindner
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
>
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 15:52:08 2021
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 17:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Clamps
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfmajD4SjyRtkwYfAaJs5r=bv1Fu2BvxVaoS62-6L1iPcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21727E4A-F002-482E-9F99-0FED3D5D3CD2@cox.net>
 <CAKb_wfmajD4SjyRtkwYfAaJs5r=bv1Fu2BvxVaoS62-6L1iPcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGiVA4b-trXT+PAaAZtnO4KR21iBqRv--DJfSAoM7C1z59A8nA@mail.gmail.com>

Sean Johnson sells the correct original style positive and negative cables.
The black cable should have a p cast into the clamp, not sure if the
braided negative has any marking.
  Jeff

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 5:07 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> If you are able to zoom in enough on this picture you can see the original
> battery cables.  The ground is bare, braided cable and the positive is
> black.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
> [image: Trunk.jpg]
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM James Lindner via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> Can somebody please post a photo of the original battery connections that
>> show the correct cables, clamps and the how they are connected.
>>
>> Right now, I have quick connect/disconnect connections on the cables
>> which obviously are more functional than original. Trying to figure out a
>> way to be able to switch to an original configuration when I need it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim Lindner
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Nov  5 16:20:35 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2021 18:20:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Clamps
In-Reply-To: <21727E4A-F002-482E-9F99-0FED3D5D3CD2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1086104336.95320.1636150838243@verizon.net>

Attached are pictures of my positive cable and new clamp I have to install.? The new clamp has the 'P' engraved instead of a raised pattern.? It's good enough for me.? The other is my original negative cable that I glass beaded.? The clamp has 'N' embossed.??Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 11/5/21  4:27 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Battery Clamps HelloCan somebody please post a photo of the original battery connections that show the correct cables, clamps and the how they are connected.Right now, I have quick connect/disconnect connections on the cables which obviously are more functional than original. Trying to figure out a way to be able to switch to an original configuration when I need it.ThanksJim LindnerSent from my iPad_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio at verizon.net
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Fri Nov  5 19:01:21 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 21:01:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Clamps
In-Reply-To: <1086104336.95320.1636150838243@verizon.net>
References: <1086104336.95320.1636150838243@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6108F4F8-9996-451E-8216-614783FDF519@cox.net>

Thank you for your feedback, exactly what I need. Attached is my current ?functional? set up.


I am thinking that I could switch to an original clamp on the positive terminal and then get an original braided negative cable with the correct clamp that I could switch out when originality is important. Most of the time I would leave the quick disconnect set up on the negative side.

Jeffrey?not sure I know Sean Johnson. Do you have contact info?

OBTW?I now have the correct wood piece under the tray. 

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 6:20 PM, jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Attached are pictures of my positive cable and new clamp I have to install.  The new clamp has the 'P' engraved instead of a raised pattern.  It's good enough for me.  The other is my original negative cable that I glass beaded.  The clamp has 'N' embossed.  
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: 11/5/21 4:27 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Battery Clamps
> 
> Hello
> 
> Can somebody please post a photo of the original battery connections that show the correct cables, clamps and the how they are connected.
> 
> Right now, I have quick connect/disconnect connections on the cables which obviously are more functional than original. Trying to figure out a way to be able to switch to an original configuration when I need it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim Lindner
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 13:48:50 2021
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 19:48:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Axel Lengths
References: <1641822063.794645.1636228130500.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1641822063.794645.1636228130500@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All
I am swapping from a 3.54 Trac Lock rear to a 2.88 open using the 19 spline axels and course yoke which came out of the car.? Everything was going fine until tightened the phillips nut on the backing plate and reinstalling the brakes.? Now the axels are completely locked up and will not turn.
The pin on the Trac Lock was about 1" and the pine on the open carrier is about 1/2".? This is about the only big difference I can see between the 2 carriers.? Not sure if this has any bearing but thought I should mention it.
I am starting to think the axels might have been shortened to fit in the Trac Lock carrier.?Does anyone know the length of the stock 19 spline axels without the flange installed?? Measuring the axel lengths are the next step we are planning to take.
Does anyone have any ideas what the problem might be and the correct axel lengths?
Thanks in advance.? Getting frustrated.
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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 08:39:12 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 15:39:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Battery cable Redux
References: <1323938826.865780.1636299552140.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1323938826.865780.1636299552140@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?I'd like to get an original Negative style cable but missed Sean Johnson's contact information.?Would someone post that (again?) and /or send it to me??I thank you in advance.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 09:02:31 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 16:02:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
References: <1584949943.867328.1636300951567.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1584949943.867328.1636300951567@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?I am nearly done removing the black asphalt-like substance that the FPO used to cover a patch panel in theextreme right rear of the car.trunk floor. Sadly he painted the rest of the trunk in the pitch-like black s*it.?He removed all the jack/handle clips but also the piece of metal(?) that held the tool roll fixing strap.Having never seen the metal piece or the strap, would someone be so kind as to describe the metal piece, dimensionally if possible, and the strap/buckle. Over the years, I put together a complete tool roll and have all clips when the trunk is done and in paint. And what is the color of the tool-roll fixing plate when finally installed??I don't know what I'd do without you folks, really.?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov  7 09:13:20 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 11:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Battery cable Redux
In-Reply-To: <1323938826.865780.1636299552140@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1323938826.865780.1636299552140.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1323938826.865780.1636299552140@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01d7d3f2$62668030$27338090$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

                I did not see a response to Sean Johnson?s contact info either.

Another possibility is

www.britishwiring.com <http://www.britishwiring.com> 

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

                

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2021 10:39 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Battery cable Redux

 

Hello,

 

I'd like to get an original Negative style cable but missed Sean Johnson's contact information.

 

Would someone post that (again?) and /or send it to me?

 

I thank you in advance.

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 09:24:10 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Sorry the LEFT REAR CORNERE OF THE TRUNK
References: <1203789719.878812.1636302250804.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1203789719.878812.1636302250804@mail.yahoo.com>

?Sorry for the mistake, the LEFT rear corner of the trunk?PREVIOUS MESSAGE?Hello,?I am nearly done removing the black asphalt-like substance that the FPO used to cover a patch panel in the extreme LEFT REAR corner ; he further removed all the jack/handle clips but also the piece of metal(?) that held the tool roll fixing strap.Having never seen the metal piece or the strap, would someone be so kind as to describe the metal piece, dimensionally if possible, and the strap/buckle. Over the years, I put together a complete tool roll and have all clips when the trunk is done and in paint. And what is the color of the tool-roll fixing plate when finally installed???
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov  7 09:28:39 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 11:28:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
In-Reply-To: <1584949943.867328.1636300951567@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1584949943.867328.1636300951567.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1584949943.867328.1636300951567@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201d7d3f4$85d52ba0$917f82e0$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

Here is what I have.

 



 

The curve follows the contour of the trunk floor @ the back.

Width = .638?                                     Holes = .205?      1.122? apart

Length = 1.97?                                   Bend @ 1.67?

Thickness = .035? after cleaning rust off in Evapo Rust

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2021 11:03 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor

 

Hello,

 

I am nearly done removing the black asphalt-like substance that the FPO used to cover a patch panel in the

extreme right rear of the car.trunk floor. Sadly he painted the rest of the trunk in the pitch-like black s*it.

 

He removed all the jack/handle clips but also the piece of metal(?) that held the tool roll fixing strap.

Having never seen the metal piece or the strap, would someone be so kind as to describe the metal piece, dimensionally if possible, and the strap/buckle. Over the years, I put together a complete tool roll and have all clips when the trunk is done and in paint. And what is the color of the tool-roll fixing plate when finally installed?

 

I don't know what I'd do without you folks, really.

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Nov  7 10:24:59 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 09:24:59 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Axel Lengths
In-Reply-To: <1641822063.794645.1636228130500@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1641822063.794645.1636228130500.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1641822063.794645.1636228130500@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d20dd028-2c11-2024-de7b-a1dbc50cc806@verizon.net>

I'm not sure if this ever got answered? I happen to have a spare Tiger 
axle and here are the measurements. I assume the axle is the same on 
both sides? I thought I be able to read it better after I took the 
picture..., but the overall length is right about 26-3/4". Probably more 
important to you is the spline area that is right about 2". Not sure if 
what you are calling the "pin" is the spacer that goes between the axles 
(in the carrier) to transfer the wheel bearing load. I believe (check to 
make sure) there is something like .004-.006 end play that gets measured 
with a dial indicator. The axle is pushed in on one side, the indicator 
zeroed and then the axle is pushed back from the other side to get the 
reading.? Hope this is of some help.


On 11/6/2021 12:48 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
> Hello All
>
> I am swapping from a 3.54 Trac Lock rear to a 2.88 open using the 19 
> spline axels and course yoke which came out of the car.? Everything 
> was going fine until tightened the phillips nut on the backing plate 
> and reinstalling the brakes.? Now the axels are completely locked up 
> and will not turn.
>
> The pin on the Trac Lock was about 1" and the pine on the open carrier 
> is about 1/2".? This is about the only big difference I can see 
> between the 2 carriers.? Not sure if this has any bearing but thought 
> I should mention it.
>
> I am starting to think the axels might have been shortened to fit in 
> the Trac Lock carrier. Does anyone know the length of the stock 19 
> spline axels without the flange installed?? Measuring the axel lengths 
> are the next step we are planning to take.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas what the problem might be and the correct 
> axel lengths?
>
> Thanks in advance.? Getting frustrated.
>
> Joel Martin
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 12:35:39 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 13:35:39 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
In-Reply-To: <002201d7d3f4$85d52ba0$917f82e0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1584949943.867328.1636300951567.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1584949943.867328.1636300951567@mail.yahoo.com>
 <002201d7d3f4$85d52ba0$917f82e0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnYjQMNJnbOXWgAhMCxPE8g689nFNGGD1NjuxrVacRa7w@mail.gmail.com>

Moss Motors has that metal plate. Part # 221-615. They also have the strap,
part #385-940. The strap is longer than our original strap but you can
remove the metal tip, cut the strap to length, and then put the tip back on.

Have fun,
Joe Brown

On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, 10:29 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Jim
>
> Here is what I have.
>
>
>
>
>
> The curve follows the contour of the trunk floor @ the back.
>
> Width = .638?                                     Holes = .205?
> 1.122? apart
>
> Length = 1.97?                                   Bend @ 1.67?
>
> Thickness = .035? after cleaning rust off in Evapo Rust
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *James
> Armstrong via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 07, 2021 11:03 AM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I am nearly done removing the black asphalt-like substance that the FPO
> used to cover a patch panel in the
>
> extreme right rear of the car.trunk floor. Sadly he painted the rest of
> the trunk in the pitch-like black s*it.
>
>
>
> He removed all the jack/handle clips but also the piece of metal(?) that
> held the tool roll fixing strap.
>
> Having never seen the metal piece or the strap, would someone be so kind
> as to describe the metal piece, dimensionally if possible, and the
> strap/buckle. Over the years, I put together a complete tool roll and have
> all clips when the trunk is done and in paint. And what is the color of the
> tool-roll fixing plate when finally installed?
>
>
>
> I don't know what I'd do without you folks, really.
>
>
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Mk 1A
>
> 382002083 LRXFE
>
> Code 86
>
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
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From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Nov  7 13:43:06 2021
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 15:43:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfnYjQMNJnbOXWgAhMCxPE8g689nFNGGD1NjuxrVacRa7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1584949943.867328.1636300951567.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1584949943.867328.1636300951567@mail.yahoo.com>
 <002201d7d3f4$85d52ba0$917f82e0$@bluefrog.com>
 <CAKb_wfnYjQMNJnbOXWgAhMCxPE8g689nFNGGD1NjuxrVacRa7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0d9783aa-9878-4675-fad9-95d246cae4f8@cthompson.net>

Thanks, Joe!? I've collected all of the tools, but am missing these 
parts.? The metal piece has different dimensions than what Jim listed, 
but I bought it anyway since it was cheap. Now if I can just find the 
Tiger plastic roll itself....

Chris

B382000331

On 11/7/2021 2:35 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
> Moss Motors has that metal plate. Part # 221-615. They also have the 
> strap, part #385-940. The strap is longer than our original strap but 
> you can remove the metal tip, cut the strap to length, and then put 
> the tip back on.
>
> Have fun,
> Joe Brown
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, 10:29 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers 
> <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Jim
>
>     Here is what I have.
>
>     The curve follows the contour of the trunk floor @ the back.
>
>     Width = .638????????????????????????????????????? Holes =
>     .205?????? 1.122? apart
>
>     Length = 1.97??????????????????????????????????? Bend @ 1.67?
>
>     Thickness = .035? after cleaning rust off in Evapo Rust
>
>     Ron Fraser
>
>     *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of
>     *James Armstrong via Tigers
>     *Sent:* Sunday, November 07, 2021 11:03 AM
>     *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
>     *Subject:* [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
>
>     Hello,
>
>     I am nearly done removing the black asphalt-like substance that
>     the FPO used to cover a patch panel in the
>
>     extreme right rear of the car.trunk floor. Sadly he painted the
>     rest of the trunk in the pitch-like black s*it.
>
>     He removed all the jack/handle clips but also the piece of
>     metal(?) that held the tool roll fixing strap.
>
>     Having never seen the metal piece or the strap, would someone be
>     so kind as to describe the metal piece, dimensionally if possible,
>     and the strap/buckle. Over the years, I put together a complete
>     tool roll and have all clips when the trunk is done and in paint.
>     And what is the color of the tool-roll fixing plate when finally
>     installed?
>
>     I don't know what I'd do without you folks, really.
>
>     Jim Armstrong
>
>     Mk 1A
>
>     382002083 LRXFE
>
>     Code 86
>
>     TAC # 0763
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sun Nov  7 13:52:26 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:52:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
In-Reply-To: <1584949943.867328.1636300951567@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1248810901.547527.1636318350509@verizon.net>

Attached are pics of my tool strap.? As you can see the buckle is different from the one Moss sells.? Mine shows some wear.? My trunk was very rusty. I blasted and painted the buckle,? end piece and rivets.? Scrubbed the strap and dyed it black.? Can't find the metal piece.? Knew exactly where it was before we moved to the new house.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 11/7/21  11:02 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor 
Hello,
?
I am nearly done removing the black asphalt-like substance that the FPO used to cover a patch panel in the
extreme right rear of the car.trunk floor. Sadly he painted the rest of the trunk in the pitch-like black s*it.
?
He removed all the jack/handle clips but also the piece of metal(?) that held the tool roll fixing strap.
Having never seen the metal piece or the strap, would someone be so kind as to describe the metal piece, dimensionally if possible, and the strap/buckle. Over the years, I put together a complete tool roll and have all clips when the trunk is done and in paint. And what is the color of the tool-roll fixing plate when finally installed?
?
I don't know what I'd do without you folks, really.
?

Jim Armstrong
Mk 1A
382002083 LRXFE
Code 86
TAC # 0763

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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 14:00:32 2021
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 16:00:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Battery cable Redux
In-Reply-To: <000f01d7d3f2$62668030$27338090$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1323938826.865780.1636299552140.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1323938826.865780.1636299552140@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000f01d7d3f2$62668030$27338090$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAGiVA4bfiEd0cnRtDRr+Qgasnr22vXforCM=JG8xb571TJGdug@mail.gmail.com>

Sean Johnson Healy at communitynet.org

On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Jim
>
>                 I did not see a response to Sean Johnson?s contact info
> either.
>
> Another possibility is
>
> www.britishwiring.com
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *James
> Armstrong via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 07, 2021 10:39 AM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Battery cable Redux
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'd like to get an original Negative style cable but missed Sean Johnson's
> contact information.
>
>
>
> Would someone post that (again?) and /or send it to me?
>
>
>
> I thank you in advance.
>
>
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Mk 1A
>
> 382002083 LRXFE
>
> Code 86
>
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 16:57:43 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Battery cable Redux
In-Reply-To: <CAGiVA4bfiEd0cnRtDRr+Qgasnr22vXforCM=JG8xb571TJGdug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1323938826.865780.1636299552140.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1323938826.865780.1636299552140@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000f01d7d3f2$62668030$27338090$@bluefrog.com>
 <CAGiVA4bfiEd0cnRtDRr+Qgasnr22vXforCM=JG8xb571TJGdug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <972224044.923802.1636329463566@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks to all for responding, esp. Jeffery and Brian N
?What a community !?Jim Armstrong
In a message dated 11/7/2021 4:00:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, jefferyrandall at gmail.com writes:?
Sean Johnson Healy at communitynet.org
On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

Jim

??????????????? I did not see a response to Sean Johnson?s contact info either.

Another possibility is

www.britishwiring.com

?

Ron Fraser

?

?

??????????????? 

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2021 10:39 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Battery cable Redux

?

Hello,

?

I'd like to get an original Negative style cable but missed Sean Johnson's contact information.

?

Would someone post that (again?) and /or send it to me?

?

I thank you in advance.

?

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763
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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 17:06:50 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 00:06:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfnYjQMNJnbOXWgAhMCxPE8g689nFNGGD1NjuxrVacRa7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1584949943.867328.1636300951567.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1584949943.867328.1636300951567@mail.yahoo.com>
 <002201d7d3f4$85d52ba0$917f82e0$@bluefrog.com>
 <CAKb_wfnYjQMNJnbOXWgAhMCxPE8g689nFNGGD1NjuxrVacRa7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1829082502.919001.1636330010772@mail.yahoo.com>

you devil you
?so easy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?Jim A?Thanks so much !
In a message dated 11/7/2021 2:35:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbbrown1980 at gmail.com writes:?
Moss Motors has that metal plate. Part # 221-615. They also have the strap, part #385-940. The strap is longer than our original strap but you can remove the metal tip, cut the strap to length, and then put the tip back on.?Have fun,Joe Brown
On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, 10:29 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

Jim

Here is what I have.

?

?

?

The curve follows the contour of the trunk floor @ the back.

Width = .638????????????????????????????????????? Holes = .205?????? 1.122? apart

Length = 1.97??????????????????????????????????? Bend @ 1.67?

Thickness = .035? after cleaning rust off in Evapo Rust

?

Ron Fraser

?

?

?

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2021 11:03 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor

?

Hello,

?

I am nearly done removing the black asphalt-like substance that the FPO used to cover a patch panel in the

extreme right rear of the car.trunk floor. Sadly he painted the rest of the trunk in the pitch-like black s*it.

?

He removed all the jack/handle clips but also the piece of metal(?) that held the tool roll fixing strap.

Having never seen the metal piece or the strap, would someone be so kind as to describe the metal piece, dimensionally if possible, and the strap/buckle. Over the years, I put together a complete tool roll and have all clips when the trunk is done and in paint. And what is the color of the tool-roll fixing plate when finally installed?

?

I don't know what I'd do without you folks, really.

?

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Mon Nov  8 09:26:22 2021
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 16:26:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] tool strap location
References: <1433832755.1048859.1636388782922.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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does someone have a pix of the proper location and attaching hardware, screws or rivets?? tks, Clyde
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov  8 12:07:23 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 14:07:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool strap location
In-Reply-To: <1433832755.1048859.1636388782922@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1433832755.1048859.1636388782922.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1433832755.1048859.1636388782922@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hb0xwqhHOkJKjFvTdNMxoanCZmsv6oP2i_ctYdWqzSMfw@mail.gmail.com>

Clyde,
Attached shows correct location for the tool roll.  You should have a
couple of holes in the floor of the trunk that line up with the mounting
plate.  Can't be much help on method of attachment.  Mine is pop-riveted on
and I know that's not correct.  And don't get me started about the color of
the jack.  Mine is grey and has always been grey ##@!!

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 11:26 AM clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> does someone have a pix of the proper location and attaching hardware,
> screws or rivets?? tks, Clyde
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Tue Nov  9 13:28:04 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 15:28:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
Message-ID: <68571D30-D6CA-4592-9833-66EEDBE18FE2@cox.net>

Hello

I am looking for an original Battery Terminal Clamp. I need the Positive (P) clamp. I will take the N and P clamps, if necessary, although I have my original N clamp and strap. I have posted this same Wanted message to the CAT Forum and TEAE FB page without success. There are some aftermarket ones out there that are close but the P/N are stamped, as opposed to being cast.

Any out there?

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad

From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov  9 14:28:58 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 16:28:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <68571D30-D6CA-4592-9833-66EEDBE18FE2@cox.net>
References: <68571D30-D6CA-4592-9833-66EEDBE18FE2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hY8iD24nCnS-9qU7w2M_ZLhgMCR=vTwz10zLTBEZyjAEA@mail.gmail.com>

Just out of curiosity, Jim, how do you expect to attach the cable to the
clamp?  The OEM cable is a single piece that goes from the battery in the
trunk to the starter solenoid in the lower right rear of the engine
compartment.  That's a long cable.  Unless it's made specifically for the
Tiger, you aren't likely to find it.  That said, some time ago I saw a
repro of the Tiger battery cable on Ebay.  Don't know if it had the correct
"P" or not.  And sorry, don't have any contact info for the vendor.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 3:28 PM James Lindner via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I am looking for an original Battery Terminal Clamp. I need the Positive
> (P) clamp. I will take the N and P clamps, if necessary, although I have my
> original N clamp and strap. I have posted this same Wanted message to the
> CAT Forum and TEAE FB page without success. There are some aftermarket ones
> out there that are close but the P/N are stamped, as opposed to being cast.
>
> Any out there?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Tue Nov  9 14:41:22 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 16:41:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0hY8iD24nCnS-9qU7w2M_ZLhgMCR=vTwz10zLTBEZyjAEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRx0hY8iD24nCnS-9qU7w2M_ZLhgMCR=vTwz10zLTBEZyjAEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21289C44-5C0F-4EA9-B4CD-5DCF0FEC1EF2@cox.net>

Will

I just figured I could attach the clamp to the existing cable?cut off the existing (incorrect) clamp and attach the correct one (crimp? solder?). British Wiring sells individual clamps separately so I thought this was possible. Am I incorrect?

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 9, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Just out of curiosity, Jim, how do you expect to attach the cable to the clamp?  The OEM cable is a single piece that goes from the battery in the trunk to the starter solenoid in the lower right rear of the engine compartment.  That's a long cable.  Unless it's made specifically for the Tiger, you aren't likely to find it.  That said, some time ago I saw a repro of the Tiger battery cable on Ebay.  Don't know if it had the correct "P" or not.  And sorry, don't have any contact info for the vendor.
> 
> Will - 382001570 
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 3:28 PM James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Hello
>> 
>> I am looking for an original Battery Terminal Clamp. I need the Positive (P) clamp. I will take the N and P clamps, if necessary, although I have my original N clamp and strap. I have posted this same Wanted message to the CAT Forum and TEAE FB page without success. There are some aftermarket ones out there that are close but the P/N are stamped, as opposed to being cast.
>> 
>> Any out there?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>> 
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov  9 19:02:45 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 21:02:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <21289C44-5C0F-4EA9-B4CD-5DCF0FEC1EF2@cox.net>
References: <CAMRx0hY8iD24nCnS-9qU7w2M_ZLhgMCR=vTwz10zLTBEZyjAEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <21289C44-5C0F-4EA9-B4CD-5DCF0FEC1EF2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hYS3NSCK_FZu+da9H=Z166xuzTsAkix1f2kYhprZmfP3w@mail.gmail.com>

You're right.  You should be able to solder your wire on to a new terminal
clamp.  That must have been what the factory did.  Lots of heat, lots of
solder.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 4:41 PM James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

> Will
>
> I just figured I could attach the clamp to the existing cable?cut off the
> existing (incorrect) clamp and attach the correct one (crimp? solder?).
> British Wiring sells individual clamps separately so I thought this was
> possible. Am I incorrect?
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 9, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Just out of curiosity, Jim, how do you expect to attach the cable to the
> clamp?  The OEM cable is a single piece that goes from the battery in the
> trunk to the starter solenoid in the lower right rear of the engine
> compartment.  That's a long cable.  Unless it's made specifically for the
> Tiger, you aren't likely to find it.  That said, some time ago I saw a
> repro of the Tiger battery cable on Ebay.  Don't know if it had the correct
> "P" or not.  And sorry, don't have any contact info for the vendor.
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 3:28 PM James Lindner via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I am looking for an original Battery Terminal Clamp. I need the Positive
>> (P) clamp. I will take the N and P clamps, if necessary, although I have my
>> original N clamp and strap. I have posted this same Wanted message to the
>> CAT Forum and TEAE FB page without success. There are some aftermarket ones
>> out there that are close but the P/N are stamped, as opposed to being cast.
>>
>> Any out there?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Nov 10 14:00:55 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <68571D30-D6CA-4592-9833-66EEDBE18FE2@cox.net>
References: <68571D30-D6CA-4592-9833-66EEDBE18FE2@cox.net>
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Jim 
	This is just a though.
You might possibly TIG Braze a raised P onto the stamped P clamp.
Not sure about this I'm not much of a welder.

I was thinking maybe TIG a brass rod to the shape of the P - sand, file,
sandblast to get the cast look.

You would need to talk to an experienced TIG welder about this.

Ron Fraser

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Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2021 3:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)

Hello

I am looking for an original Battery Terminal Clamp. I need the Positive (P)
clamp. I will take the N and P clamps, if necessary, although I have my
original N clamp and strap. I have posted this same Wanted message to the
CAT Forum and TEAE FB page without success. There are some aftermarket ones
out there that are close but the P/N are stamped, as opposed to being cast.

Any out there?

Thanks

Jim

Sent from my iPad
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Wed Nov 10 16:13:12 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 18:13:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <000901d7d676$0e82ff30$2b88fd90$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000901d7d676$0e82ff30$2b88fd90$@bluefrog.com>
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Ron

Thanks for the thought?but way beyond my technical capabilities. I have a lead on one and still hoping others may speak up with an offer to sell one.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 10, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Jim 
>    This is just a though.
> You might possibly TIG Braze a raised P onto the stamped P clamp.
> Not sure about this I'm not much of a welder.
> 
> I was thinking maybe TIG a brass rod to the shape of the P - sand, file,
> sandblast to get the cast look.
> 
> You would need to talk to an experienced TIG welder about this.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Lindner via
> Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2021 3:28 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
> 
> Hello
> 
> I am looking for an original Battery Terminal Clamp. I need the Positive (P)
> clamp. I will take the N and P clamps, if necessary, although I have my
> original N clamp and strap. I have posted this same Wanted message to the
> CAT Forum and TEAE FB page without success. There are some aftermarket ones
> out there that are close but the P/N are stamped, as opposed to being cast.
> 
> Any out there?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 
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From rollright at aol.com  Fri Nov 12 08:13:53 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:13:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
References: <626161255.159443.1636730033290.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <626161255.159443.1636730033290@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello friends,
?As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.?Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.?Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Nov 12 08:38:56 2021
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:38:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <626161255.159443.1636730033290@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <626161255.159443.1636730033290.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <626161255.159443.1636730033290@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+mjxLEpiy=SOCghu4eYpGGeGkgUqzkTHoh408B=Ymh6f0Ataw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim;

 I think that tube is supposed to be connected to the fume vent "harness"
for the battery.
That is how that clear hose is connected on my Tiger.

Dave

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:15 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello friends,
>
> As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with
> which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.
> Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a
> clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very
> small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to
> the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.
>
> Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to
> go.?
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
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From jim at island.net  Fri Nov 12 09:02:13 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 08:02:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <CA+mjxLEpiy=SOCghu4eYpGGeGkgUqzkTHoh408B=Ymh6f0Ataw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <626161255.159443.1636730033290.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <626161255.159443.1636730033290@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CA+mjxLEpiy=SOCghu4eYpGGeGkgUqzkTHoh408B=Ymh6f0Ataw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b901d7d7de$a8508600$f8f19200$@island.net>

My car had that small diameter tube coming out of the back trunk wall but wasn?t connected to anything?

The battery vent hose is bigger and exits through the grommet on the trunk floor as in this pic

 

Jim

B382000446

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Munroe via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 7:39 AM
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Jim;

 

 I think that tube is supposed to be connected to the fume vent "harness" for the battery. 

That is how that clear hose is connected on my Tiger.

 

Dave

 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:15 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Hello friends,

 

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.

 

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 12 09:16:29 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:16:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <626161255.159443.1636730033290@mail.yahoo.com>
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Jim

                I?m pretty sure that is the breather tube for the fuel pump.

Fuel system section UF

P.43555                Hose (38? long) pump to breather

918500                  Grommet 

 

The problem with it not connected is probably due to the heat in that area.

The tube can?t take the heat plus it is easy to knock off.

 

This may be the best picture I have back there.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Hello friends,

 

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.

 

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From backbodkin1 at verizon.net  Fri Nov 12 09:27:01 2021
From: backbodkin1 at verizon.net (backbodkin1 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:27:01 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 319
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Jim, you are correct. The vynil tube connects to the fuel pump vent. I presume the thinking was the air in the trunk was cleaner than that under the car.

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:13:53 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
Message-ID: <626161255.159443.1636730033290 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello friends,
?As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.?Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.?Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?
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From: Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
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Jim;

 I think that tube is supposed to be connected to the fume vent "harness"
for the battery.
That is how that clear hose is connected on my Tiger.

Dave

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:15 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello friends,
>
> As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with
> which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.
> Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a
> clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very
> small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to
> the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.
>
> Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to
> go.?
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From: "jim" <jim at island.net>
To: "'Dave Munroe'" <dave at munroe.ca>, "'James Armstrong'"
        <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
Message-ID: <00b901d7d7de$a8508600$f8f19200$@island.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

My car had that small diameter tube coming out of the back trunk wall but wasn?t connected to anything?

The battery vent hose is bigger and exits through the grommet on the trunk floor as in this pic



Jim

B382000446





From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Munroe via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 7:39 AM
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube



Jim;



 I think that tube is supposed to be connected to the fume vent "harness" for the battery.

That is how that clear hose is connected on my Tiger.



Dave



On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:15 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Hello friends,



As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.



Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?



Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From jim at island.net  Fri Nov 12 09:34:54 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 08:34:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 319
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I wondered about the irony of venting fuel 'fumes' into the battery
compartment but apparently it's just there for a dry, clean source of 'air'
. I found this explanation and although it's about MGBs , it explains the
function

 

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Jim, you are correct. The vynil tube connects to the fuel pump vent. I
presume the thinking was the air in the trunk was cleaner than that under
the car. 

 

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To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
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Hello friends,
?As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with
which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the
battery.?Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I
noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through
a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't)
connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of
the wall.?Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it
supposed to go.?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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Jim;

 I think that tube is supposed to be connected to the fume vent "harness"
for the battery.
That is how that clear hose is connected on my Tiger.

Dave

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tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

> Hello friends,
>
> As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with
> which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.
> Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a
> clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very
> small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to
> the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.
>
> Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to
> go.?
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 08:02:13 -0800
From: "jim" <jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> >
To: "'Dave Munroe'" <dave at munroe.ca <mailto:dave at munroe.ca> >, "'James
Armstrong'"
        <rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> >
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
Message-ID: <00b901d7d7de$a8508600$f8f19200$@island.net
<mailto:00b901d7d7de$a8508600$f8f19200$@island.net> >
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My car had that small diameter tube coming out of the back trunk wall but
wasn?t connected to anything?

The battery vent hose is bigger and exits through the grommet on the trunk
floor as in this pic

 

Jim

B382000446

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Dave Munroe via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 7:39 AM
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> >
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Jim;

 

 I think that tube is supposed to be connected to the fume vent "harness"
for the battery. 

That is how that clear hose is connected on my Tiger.

 

Dave

 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:15 AM James Armstrong via Tigers
<tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Hello friends,

 

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with
which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a
clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very
small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to
the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.

 

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to
go.?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From rollright at aol.com  Fri Nov 12 09:46:44 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:46:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <001801d7d7e0$a6d6cc60$f4846520$@bluefrog.com>
References: <626161255.159443.1636730033290.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <626161255.159443.1636730033290@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001801d7d7e0$a6d6cc60$f4846520$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <1670965251.174271.1636735604250@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Ron and Hawaiian Jim,
?That's what i figured. Fuel pump.? Didn't know it was the air intake ! Makes sense (I guess).?Where can I get the grommet, anybody know ? Doesn't seem to be called out in the new SS catalog.?Jim ArmstrongThe terror of the trunk----------------------------------------------------------------------
In a message dated 11/12/2021 11:17:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:?

Jim

??????????????? I?m pretty sure that is the breather tube for the fuel pump.

Fuel system section UF

P.43555??????????????? Hose (38? long) pump to breather

918500????????????????? Grommet

?

The problem with it not connected is probably due to the heat in that area.

The tube can?t take the heat plus it is easy to knock off.

?

This may be the best picture I have back there.

?

Ron Fraser

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

?

Hello friends,

?

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.?

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.

?

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?

?

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Nov 12 09:57:55 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 08:57:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <001801d7d7e0$a6d6cc60$f4846520$@bluefrog.com>
References: <001801d7d7e0$a6d6cc60$f4846520$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <1A3720E8-D402-43DD-AE83-8C59370E596A@comcast.net>

It?s supposed to be 38 inches?
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jim
>                 I?m pretty sure that is the breather tube for the fuel pump.
> Fuel system section UF
> P.43555                Hose (38? long) pump to breather
> 918500                  Grommet
>  
> The problem with it not connected is probably due to the heat in that area.
> The tube can?t take the heat plus it is easy to knock off.
>  
> This may be the best picture I have back there.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
>  
> Hello friends,
>  
> As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 
> Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.
>  
> Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?
>  
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 12 11:12:27 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:12:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <1A3720E8-D402-43DD-AE83-8C59370E596A@comcast.net>
References: <001801d7d7e0$a6d6cc60$f4846520$@bluefrog.com>
 <1A3720E8-D402-43DD-AE83-8C59370E596A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003d01d7d7f0$dac315a0$904940e0$@bluefrog.com>

Gary

                That is what the Parts List indicates.

I located what I believe was my original tube ? it is 37? long.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:58 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

It?s supposed to be 38 inches?

Gary

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 12, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

Jim

                I?m pretty sure that is the breather tube for the fuel pump.

Fuel system section UF

P.43555                Hose (38? long) pump to breather

918500                  Grommet 

 

The problem with it not connected is probably due to the heat in that area.

The tube can?t take the heat plus it is easy to knock off.

 

This may be the best picture I have back there.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Hello friends,

 

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.

 

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Nov 12 11:55:54 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:55:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <003d01d7d7f0$dac315a0$904940e0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <003d01d7d7f0$dac315a0$904940e0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <362E9503-04D6-47F3-91D3-61A0D98B747D@comcast.net>

From memory, i thought it should be maybe 
half that,  I think mine is still hanging there,
will have to take a look.  Does it hang all the
way down into the tire well or go behind the battery?
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Gary
>                 That is what the Parts List indicates.
> I located what I believe was my original tube ? it is 37? long.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:58 AM
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Cc: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>; Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
>  
> It?s supposed to be 38 inches?
> Gary
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jim
>                 I?m pretty sure that is the breather tube for the fuel pump.
> Fuel system section UF
> P.43555                Hose (38? long) pump to breather
> 918500                  Grommet
>  
> The problem with it not connected is probably due to the heat in that area.
> The tube can?t take the heat plus it is easy to knock off.
>  
> This may be the best picture I have back there.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
>  
> Hello friends,
>  
> As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 
> Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.
>  
> Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?
>  
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 12 12:06:18 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <1670965251.174271.1636735604250@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <626161255.159443.1636730033290.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <626161255.159443.1636730033290@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001801d7d7e0$a6d6cc60$f4846520$@bluefrog.com>
 <1670965251.174271.1636735604250@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004801d7d7f8$604bf190$20e3d4b0$@bluefrog.com>

Jim 

                It should be a generic grommet.

The tube I have has an OD of .195?.

Not sure what the body hole diameter is.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:47 AM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; jim at island.net
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Thanks Ron and Hawaiian Jim,

 

That's what i figured. Fuel pump.  Didn't know it was the air intake ! Makes sense (I guess).

 

Where can I get the grommet, anybody know ? Doesn't seem to be called out in the new SS catalog.

 

Jim Armstrong

The terror of the trunk

----------------------------------------------------------------------


In a message dated 11/12/2021 11:17:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>  writes: 

 

Jim

                I?m pretty sure that is the breather tube for the fuel pump.

Fuel system section UF

P.43555                Hose (38? long) pump to breather

918500                  Grommet

 

The problem with it not connected is probably due to the heat in that area.

The tube can?t take the heat plus it is easy to knock off.

 

This may be the best picture I have back there.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Hello friends,

 

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.

 

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 12 14:26:20 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:26:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  trunk plastic tube
In-Reply-To: <CAJcs1MWpNZeeaF8Psu_ODJ_T_P+P+sGk7VwZuaO3jA88L1MiWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <626161255.159443.1636730033290.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <626161255.159443.1636730033290@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001801d7d7e0$a6d6cc60$f4846520$@bluefrog.com>
 <1670965251.174271.1636735604250@mail.yahoo.com>
 <004801d7d7f8$604bf190$20e3d4b0$@bluefrog.com>
 <CAJcs1MWpNZeeaF8Psu_ODJ_T_P+P+sGk7VwZuaO3jA88L1MiWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005a01d7d80b$f058f2c0$d10ad840$@bluefrog.com>

Terry sent me a couple of excellent pictures but I was not sure they reached the Tiger List.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Terry McLaughlan <strombecker at telus.net> 
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 2:38 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

I have the original battery vent tube in my car which goes through trunk floor.  It is black...I put an optima battery in so made a block with original caps and tube.

 

On Fri., Nov. 12, 2021, 11:07 Ron Fraser via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Jim 

                It should be a generic grommet.

The tube I have has an OD of .195?.

Not sure what the body hole diameter is.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> > 
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:47 AM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> ; jim at island.net <mailto:jim at island.net> 
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Thanks Ron and Hawaiian Jim,

 

That's what i figured. Fuel pump.  Didn't know it was the air intake ! Makes sense (I guess).

 

Where can I get the grommet, anybody know ? Doesn't seem to be called out in the new SS catalog.

 

Jim Armstrong

The terror of the trunk

----------------------------------------------------------------------


In a message dated 11/12/2021 11:17:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>  writes: 

 

Jim

                I?m pretty sure that is the breather tube for the fuel pump.

Fuel system section UF

P.43555                Hose (38? long) pump to breather

918500                  Grommet

 

The problem with it not connected is probably due to the heat in that area.

The tube can?t take the heat plus it is easy to knock off.

 

This may be the best picture I have back there.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Hello friends,

 

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.

 

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From jim at island.net  Fri Nov 12 14:41:56 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:41:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
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References: <001801d7d7e0$a6d6cc60$f4846520$@bluefrog.com>
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FWIW, I found my old tubing (Thou shalt never throw out a ?Tiger part! ) and have no idea if it?s original length although it appears to be?  It?s 34? long and telling by the trunk repaint color on that end, it was ( at one time) sticking past the grommet into the trunk about 7 1/4? 

Anyone still looking for ?Coventry ?air? for their tires ??  lol

 

Jim

B382000446

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:12 AM
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: 'James Armstrong' <rollright at aol.com>; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Gary

                That is what the Parts List indicates.

I located what I believe was my original tube ? it is 37? long.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net <mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:58 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Cc: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> >; Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

It?s supposed to be 38 inches?

Gary

 

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On Nov 12, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

Jim

                I?m pretty sure that is the breather tube for the fuel pump.

Fuel system section UF

P.43555                Hose (38? long) pump to breather

918500                  Grommet 

 

The problem with it not connected is probably due to the heat in that area.

The tube can?t take the heat plus it is easy to knock off.

 

This may be the best picture I have back there.

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

 

Hello friends,

 

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery. 

Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.

 

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Nov 12 15:08:51 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
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So if the MKI and MKIA had a vent tube for the fuel pump in the trunk, I wonder how the MKII was set up.? I'm about ready to mount an SU pump in the trunk of my MKIA. Already modified a spare bracket.? How was the MKII bracket secured to floor, with sheet metal screws?Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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Jim, you are correct. The vynil tube connects to the fuel pump vent. I presume the thinking was the air in the trunk was cleaner than that under the car.



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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:13:53 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
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Hello friends,
?As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.?Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of
 a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.?Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed
 to go.?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:38:56 -0400
From: Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
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Jim;

?I think that tube is supposed to be connected to the fume vent "harness"
for the battery.
That is how that clear hose is connected on my Tiger.

Dave

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:15 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <
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> Hello friends,
>
> As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with
> which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.
> Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a
> clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very
> small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to
> the little goose neck on the SU fuel pump on the other side of the wall.
>
> Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to
> go.?
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 08:02:13 -0800
From: "jim" <jim at island.net>
To: "'Dave Munroe'" <dave at munroe.ca>, "'James Armstrong'"
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Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube
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My car had that small diameter tube coming out of the back trunk wall but wasn?t connected to anything?

The battery vent hose is bigger and exits through the grommet on the trunk floor as in this pic

?

Jim

B382000446

?

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Munroe via Tigers
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 7:39 AM
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk plastic tube

?

Jim;

?

?I think that tube is supposed to be connected to the fume vent "harness" for the battery.


That is how that clear hose is connected on my Tiger.

?

Dave

?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:15 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autoxteam.net> > wrote:

Hello friends,

?

As I near completion of the removal of the black pitch-like substance with which the FPO coated the floor of the trunk, I had to remove the battery.


Over the battery, in the upper right corner of the rear wall, I noticed a clear (now yellowed) PVC tube of a small diameter. It came through a very small rubber gasket and seemed like it should be (but wasn't) connected to the little goose neck on the SU fuel
 pump on the other side of the wall.

?

Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If not, where is it supposed to go.?

?

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From rollright at aol.com  Fri Nov 12 16:37:15 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 23:37:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Grounding strap
References: <607866015.252454.1636760235220.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <607866015.252454.1636760235220@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?This question concerns the grounding cable for Mk 1A?What is the type bolt used to? connect the ground strap to the rear wall of the trunk, and what is the Tiger grounding cable braid count??I'm replacing the fixing end of original cable to chassis that drew some high amps and destroyed itself. But...I didn't throw it away. Now I'm going back to the original and changing out the damaged clamp.?Another step...?Jim Armstrong?
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From jim at island.net  Fri Nov 12 17:18:02 2021
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:18:02 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Grounding strap
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References: <607866015.252454.1636760235220@mail.yahoo.com>
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Looks like a pretty standard ?Rootes? bolt ? 5/16?x5/8? long with serrated washer and standard nut. All are magnetic. The fitting on the end of the braid is copper and the whole ground strap assembly is 14? long measured over both fittings

Jim
B382000446



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> On Nov 12, 2021, at 3:37 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello,
>  
> This question concerns the grounding cable for Mk 1A
>  
> What is the type bolt used to  connect the ground strap to the rear wall of the trunk, and what is the Tiger grounding cable braid count?
>  
> I'm replacing the fixing end of original cable to chassis that drew some high amps and destroyed itself. But...I didn't throw it away. Now I'm going back to the original and changing out the damaged clamp.
>  
> Another step...
>  
> Jim Armstrong
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From jim at island.net  Fri Nov 12 17:45:59 2021
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:45:59 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Grounding strap
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 Correction on the fitting at the bolt end?. My file tells me that?s it?s likely brass but might be tin plated as they often are?hard to tell on a part that?s 55 years old? also the bolt is fine thread as are pretty much all in an English car

Jim
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> On Nov 12, 2021, at 3:37 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello,
>  
> This question concerns the grounding cable for Mk 1A
>  
> What is the type bolt used to  connect the ground strap to the rear wall of the trunk, and what is the Tiger grounding cable braid count?
>  
> I'm replacing the fixing end of original cable to chassis that drew some high amps and destroyed itself. But...I didn't throw it away. Now I'm going back to the original and changing out the damaged clamp.
>  
> Another step...
>  
> Jim Armstrong
>  
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 13 07:46:12 2021
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 14:46:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear/Axles
References: <1625323539.318069.1636814772972.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1625323539.318069.1636814772972@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks to those who responded regarding the Tiger Axle lengths. The 3 responses came out to average 26 11/16" long which when they removed once again to verify, they were 26 11/16" long.
So the axles had not been shortened back in the 1970's to fit the 3.54 Trac Lock.? The axles are still binding up but the axle shop now thinks they are missing a spacer that the pin goes through and the axles butt up against.? #12 below.

They left out # 12 'Axle Shaft Spacer? The Trac Lock pin was 1" and the open rear is a 3/4" hole so my existing spacer will not work.
Does anyone have the Axle Shaft Spacer below and is that all that is needed?? When looking at the #12 spacer above, is it one piece or three?? Notice the 2 'dotted lines'.? Could these be what some call floating buttons?
The Axle Shaft spacer is? Dana part number 18078 with a OD of 1.27", length 1.48" and a 3/4" center hole per below.? Does anyone have this?? It does not look like the axles would butt up against this spacer.? IE:? 'button's on either side where the 2 dotted lines are in the above picture?? Just not sure.

Thanks in advance.
Joel Martin


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From rollright at aol.com  Sat Nov 13 07:54:58 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 14:54:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] GND Strap bolt end
References: <478080290.322256.1636815298735.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <478080290.322256.1636815298735@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?All I need now to finish the ground strap is the eye that the bolt goes through.British Wiring has all that I need but they are asking a question I don't have an answer for.?What is the Tiger grounding cable braid count?>?> I'm replacing the fixing end of original cable to chassis that drew some high amps and destroyed itself. But...I didn't throw it away. Now I'm going back to the original and changing out the damaged clamp.
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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 13 20:54:07 2021
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:54:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
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<< You might possibly TIG Braze a raised P onto the stamped P clamp. >>

Oh my . . . My oh my . . .

Talk to Vincent at Custom Battery Cables in Apache Junction, Arizona:

Vince at custombatterycables.com

Custom Battery Cables, LLC
2288 S. Idaho Rd., Suite #2
Apache Junction, AZ 85119

480-983-5925

https://www.custombatterycables.com


I found them last year when I was looking for a negative cable for the Mk II.  It came to us with an aftermarket cable in 1985, and it always bugged me greatly.  I sent them pictures of the Mk I cable, along with the length.  I was looking for a new braided cable.  Told them about the raised letter ?N? on battery connector/terminal, and said it would be cool if they could duplicate that, but it wasn?t all that important.  

When they came up with a terminal with the raised letter ?N,?  I asked them about a positive terminal as well.  The positive terminal on our Mk I succumbed to the corrosion worm years ago.  They came up with a terminal with the raised letter ?P? as well. 

They do a very brisk commercial business, but look at little stuff like ours as a welcome relief from the day-in/day-out drudgery of filling orders for hundreds of same/same cables.  If you are not too impatient, they will help you out.

I bought a complete negative/ground cable for the Mk II and a positive connector for the Mk I.  Had to buy a really-really BIG soldering iron to attach the positive connector to the Mk I cable, but it worked out well.  They?ll  build a complete cable for you?any length--if that?s what you want/need.

Ramon





On Nov 11, 2021, at 11:00 AM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:

You might possibly TIG Braze a raised P onto the stamped P clamp.




From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov 14 09:00:47 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <DC253550-BF5E-45D4-BB4D-4A7FB9A28486@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.3.1636657202.20209.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <DC253550-BF5E-45D4-BB4D-4A7FB9A28486@earthlink.net>
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Ramon
	Excellent find.
Do you have pictures and part numbers for the terminals?
That would make it easier for people to see the parts and order the parts.

Ron Fraser

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<< You might possibly TIG Braze a raised P onto the stamped P clamp. >>

Oh my . . . My oh my . . .

Talk to Vincent at Custom Battery Cables in Apache Junction, Arizona:

Vince at custombatterycables.com

Custom Battery Cables, LLC
2288 S. Idaho Rd., Suite #2
Apache Junction, AZ 85119

480-983-5925

https://www.custombatterycables.com


I found them last year when I was looking for a negative cable for the Mk II.  It came to us with an aftermarket cable in 1985, and it always bugged me greatly.  I sent them pictures of the Mk I cable, along with the length.  I was looking for a new braided cable.  Told them about the raised letter ?N? on battery connector/terminal, and said it would be cool if they could duplicate that, but it wasn?t all that important.  

When they came up with a terminal with the raised letter ?N,?  I asked them about a positive terminal as well.  The positive terminal on our Mk I succumbed to the corrosion worm years ago.  They came up with a terminal with the raised letter ?P? as well. 

They do a very brisk commercial business, but look at little stuff like ours as a welcome relief from the day-in/day-out drudgery of filling orders for hundreds of same/same cables.  If you are not too impatient, they will help you out.

I bought a complete negative/ground cable for the Mk II and a positive connector for the Mk I.  Had to buy a really-really BIG soldering iron to attach the positive connector to the Mk I cable, but it worked out well.  They?ll  build a complete cable for you?any length--if that?s what you want/need.

Ramon





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You might possibly TIG Braze a raised P onto the stamped P clamp.



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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov 14 09:22:16 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:22:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear/Axles
In-Reply-To: <1625323539.318069.1636814772972@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1625323539.318069.1636814772972.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1625323539.318069.1636814772972@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101d7d973$ca7ac970$5f705c50$@bluefrog.com>

Joel

                Found this but I?m not sure it is the same part.

 <https://kingoffroadparts.com/axle-spacer-for-dana-44-19-spline-amc-model-20-standard-trac-loc-not-powr-lok/> Axle spacer for Dana 44 19 spline & AMC Model 20. Standard & Trac Loc, not Powr Lok (kingoffroadparts.com)

 

Good luck

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joel Martin via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2021 9:46 AM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear/Axles

 

Thanks to those who responded regarding the Tiger Axle lengths. The 3 responses came out to average 26 11/16" long which when they removed once again to verify, they were 26 11/16" long.

 

So the axles had not been shortened back in the 1970's to fit the 3.54 Trac Lock.  The axles are still binding up but the axle shop now thinks they are missing a spacer that the pin goes through and the axles butt up against.  #12 below.

 


They left out # 12 'Axle Shaft Spacer  The Trac Lock pin was 1" and the open rear is a 3/4" hole so my existing spacer will not work.

 

Does anyone have the Axle Shaft Spacer below and is that all that is needed?  When looking at the #12 spacer above, is it one piece or three?  Notice the 2 'dotted lines'.  Could these be what some call floating buttons?

 

The Axle Shaft spacer is  Dana part number 18078 with a OD of 1.27", length 1.48" and a 3/4" center hole per below.  Does anyone have this?  It does not look like the axles would butt up against this spacer.  IE:  'button's on either side where the 2 dotted lines are in the above picture?  Just not sure.

 



 

Thanks in advance.

 

Joel Martin

 

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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 14 10:03:37 2021
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:03:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
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Ron,

Yes, I have some pictures.  Don?t know how to attach them to a post to the list.  Wish I did.  I would have found our I was full of poo-poo about the positive terminal.  The negative terminal is OK though.

Here?s a picture of the negative piece that Vincent sent me:



Here?s a picture of the Mk I cable I sent him:



And here?s a picture of the cable he made for the Mk II:




Here?s what our Mk I positive terminal had looked like for years and years and years.  



When I asked him to send a positive terminal to replace this mess, I thought it would match the negative terminal?raised letter ?P? and all . . .

Not so.  It?s much better than what I had, but still not quite ?tits-on? . . .



The original Mk II positive terminal with the raised letter ?P":




Well, at least we help with people needing a negative cable/terminal?

There were no part numbers, and they treated the deal as a special order, charging for time + materials. 

The total cost to manufacture a new negative cable and provide a positive terminal was $64.11, paid by PayPal on March 11, 2021.  I thought that was quite fair.

Ramon

P.S.  I jumped on Reply All to respond to you, so the list came up in the CC field.  Don?t have a clue whether it will make the list or not.






On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

Ramon
	Excellent find.
Do you have pictures and part numbers for the terminals?
That would make it easier for people to see the parts and order the parts.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ramon Spontelli via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2021 10:54 PM
To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)

<< You might possibly TIG Braze a raised P onto the stamped P clamp. >>

Oh my . . . My oh my . . .

Talk to Vincent at Custom Battery Cables in Apache Junction, Arizona:

Vince at custombatterycables.com

Custom Battery Cables, LLC
2288 S. Idaho Rd., Suite #2
Apache Junction, AZ 85119

480-983-5925

https://www.custombatterycables.com


I found them last year when I was looking for a negative cable for the Mk II.  It came to us with an aftermarket cable in 1985, and it always bugged me greatly.  I sent them pictures of the Mk I cable, along with the length.  I was looking for a new braided cable.  Told them about the raised letter ?N? on battery connector/terminal, and said it would be cool if they could duplicate that, but it wasn?t all that important.  

When they came up with a terminal with the raised letter ?N,?  I asked them about a positive terminal as well.  The positive terminal on our Mk I succumbed to the corrosion worm years ago.  They came up with a terminal with the raised letter ?P? as well. 

They do a very brisk commercial business, but look at little stuff like ours as a welcome relief from the day-in/day-out drudgery of filling orders for hundreds of same/same cables.  If you are not too impatient, they will help you out.

I bought a complete negative/ground cable for the Mk II and a positive connector for the Mk I.  Had to buy a really-really BIG soldering iron to attach the positive connector to the Mk I cable, but it worked out well.  They?ll  build a complete cable for you?any length--if that?s what you want/need.

Ramon





On Nov 11, 2021, at 11:00 AM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:

You might possibly TIG Braze a raised P onto the stamped P clamp.



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From blance598 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 10:23:22 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:23:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Pictures
Message-ID: <CACQC2nW=9PjKCpKMACHWkKmcZ5mnKnA+Mud+jhgNV9-aR+=fmw@mail.gmail.com>

When you guys post photos of things on the site where the hell are they, I
haven't seen any of them.  What should I click on or see and where
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 14 11:13:14 2021
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:13:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Tigers] Pictures
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nW=9PjKCpKMACHWkKmcZ5mnKnA+Mud+jhgNV9-aR+=fmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQC2nW=9PjKCpKMACHWkKmcZ5mnKnA+Mud+jhgNV9-aR+=fmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <238975425.220016909.1636913594212.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet>

It may be that your mail program is set up to receive mail as text only. 
Theo

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> When you guys post photos of things on the site where the hell are they, I haven't seen any of them.  What should I click on or see and where .confusing to me. Beau

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov 14 11:46:21 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:46:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <B03A225C-B121-4260-9F52-11C4F141AB6A@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.3.1636657202.20209.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <DC253550-BF5E-45D4-BB4D-4A7FB9A28486@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <001501d7d987$ebb32ec0$c3198c40$@bluefrog.com>

To all

 

Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs

https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/

 

You tube video

 

Ron Fraser

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From bill.tolson at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Nov 14 15:58:54 2021
From: bill.tolson at blueyonder.co.uk (Bill Tolson)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 333
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Pictures, I have same problem. Never seen any pics file scrubbed?

Sincerely 
Bill Tolson

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>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> ?
>> When you guys post photos of things on the site where the hell are they, I haven't seen any of them.  What should I click on or see and where .confusing to me. Beau
> 
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> To all
> 
> 
> 
> Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs
> 
> https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/
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> 
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> You tube video
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From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Nov 14 16:00:17 2021
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <001501d7d987$ebb32ec0$c3198c40$@bluefrog.com>
References: <mailman.3.1636657202.20209.tigers@autox.team.net>
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I sent mail to Vincent asking if he could make some more Tiger cables.? 
I just got a message back from Vincent:

Sure.? We'd be happy to if I can source the correct parts.? We got lucky 
finding those terminals. I'll check on Monday.

I just sent him mail saying that we're really looking for the positive 
cable having the raised P as well. It doesn't sound like he's making them.

Chris

B382000331

On 11/14/2021 1:46 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>
> To all
>
> Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs
>
> https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/
>
> You tube video
>
> Ron Fraser
>
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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 14 17:43:07 2021
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:43:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <ec82b01a-54aa-85f3-7eae-c27297337171@cthompson.net>
References: <mailman.3.1636657202.20209.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <550CB012-C6AF-455B-AE81-67B51CDCD149@earthlink.net>

Chris,

You probably want to hold off on that.

It appears I was WRONG in my description of what I got from Vincent.  I have not installed the negative cable on the Mk II yet, so I dug it out of the shed this afternoon for a close-up look-see.  The letter ?N? is NOT raised.  It looks raised in the photographs, and from across the room, but close up, it appears to be cast into a raised pedestal on the top of the terminal.

I remain delighted with it, and am glad to have it, and the positive terminal as well. But they are clearly not ?proper? for a stock application.

Im sorry I got everybody excited about a thing that isn?t.

Ramon



On Nov 14, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> wrote:

I sent mail to Vincent asking if he could make some more Tiger cables.  I just got a message back from Vincent:

Sure.  We'd be happy to if I can source the correct parts.  We got lucky finding those terminals. I'll check on Monday.

I just sent him mail saying that we're really looking for the positive cable having the raised P as well. It doesn't sound like he's making them.

Chris

B382000331

On 11/14/2021 1:46 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> To all
>  
> Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs
> https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/ <https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/>
>  
> You tube video
>  
> Ron Fraser
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From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Nov 14 18:05:53 2021
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 20:05:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <550CB012-C6AF-455B-AE81-67B51CDCD149@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.3.1636657202.20209.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Thanks for clarifying, Ramon!

So does anybody have pictures of the "proper" terminals I can sent to 
Vincent?

Chris

On 11/14/2021 7:43 PM, Ramon Spontelli wrote:
> Chris,
>
> You probably want to hold off on that.
>
> It appears I was WRONG in my description of what I got from Vincent. 
> ?I have not installed the negative cable on the Mk II yet, so I dug it 
> out of the shed this afternoon for a close-up look-see. ?The letter 
> ?N? is NOT raised. ?It looks raised in the photographs, and from 
> across the room, but close up, it appears to be cast into a raised 
> pedestal on the top of the terminal.
>
> I remain delighted with it, and am glad to have it, and the positive 
> terminal as well. But they are clearly not ?proper? for a stock 
> application.
>
> Im sorry I got everybody excited about a thing that isn?t.
>
> Ramon
>
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> wrote:
>
> I sent mail to Vincent asking if he could make some more Tiger 
> cables.? I just got a message back from Vincent:
>
> Sure.? We'd be happy to if I can source the correct parts.? We got 
> lucky finding those terminals. I'll check on Monday.
>
> I just sent him mail saying that we're really looking for the positive 
> cable having the raised P as well. It doesn't sound like he's making them.
>
> Chris
>
> B382000331
>
> On 11/14/2021 1:46 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>> To all
>> Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs
>> https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/
>> You tube video
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>
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From jim at island.net  Sun Nov 14 18:24:21 2021
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:24:21 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <550CB012-C6AF-455B-AE81-67B51CDCD149@earthlink.net>
References: <550CB012-C6AF-455B-AE81-67B51CDCD149@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <B87887E4-D464-4321-A0A5-7088DC56C3A1@island.net>

My original MK1a cable

14? long over both clamps  5/16?x5/8? bolt to body



Jim
B382000446

Sent from my ShoePhone


> On Nov 14, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Ramon Spontelli via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Chris,
> 
> You probably want to hold off on that.
> 
> It appears I was WRONG in my description of what I got from Vincent.  I have not installed the negative cable on the Mk II yet, so I dug it out of the shed this afternoon for a close-up look-see.  The letter ?N? is NOT raised.  It looks raised in the photographs, and from across the room, but close up, it appears to be cast into a raised pedestal on the top of the terminal.
> 
> I remain delighted with it, and am glad to have it, and the positive terminal as well. But they are clearly not ?proper? for a stock application.
> 
> Im sorry I got everybody excited about a thing that isn?t.
> 
> Ramon
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> wrote:
> 
> I sent mail to Vincent asking if he could make some more Tiger cables.  I just got a message back from Vincent:
> 
> Sure.  We'd be happy to if I can source the correct parts.  We got lucky finding those terminals. I'll check on Monday.
> 
> I just sent him mail saying that we're really looking for the positive cable having the raised P as well. It doesn't sound like he's making them.
> 
> Chris
> 
> B382000331
> 
>> On 11/14/2021 1:46 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>> To all
>>  
>> Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs
>> https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/
>>  
>> You tube video
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sun Nov 14 18:41:22 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 20:41:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <550CB012-C6AF-455B-AE81-67B51CDCD149@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1049550520.388029.1636940486000@verizon.net>

Those are like the ones I got on my trip to England in 2019.? The have a raised block section with the 'P' and or 'N' engraved in that.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ramon Spontelli via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 11/14/21  7:43 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: chris at cthompson.net Cc: Tiger List <tigers at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s) Chris,You probably want to hold off on that.It appears I was WRONG in my description of what I got from Vincent. ?I have not installed the negative cable on the Mk II yet, so I dug it out of the shed this afternoon for a close-up look-see. ?The letter ?N? is NOT raised. ?It looks raised in the photographs, and from across the room, but close up, it appears to be cast into a raised pedestal on the top of the terminal.I remain delighted with it, and am glad to have it, and the positive terminal as well. But they are clearly not ?proper? for a stock application.Im sorry I got everybody excited about a thing that isn?t.RamonOn Nov 14, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> wrote:I sent mail to Vincent asking if he could make some more Tiger cables.? I just got a message back from Vincent:Sure.? We'd be happy to if I can source the correct parts.? We got lucky finding those terminals. I'll check on Monday.I just sent him mail saying that we're really looking for the positive cable having the raised P as well. It doesn't sound like he's making them.ChrisB382000331On 11/14/2021 1:46 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:To all?Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugshttps://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/?You tube video?Ron Fraser
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From jim at island.net  Sun Nov 14 18:55:32 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:55:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
References: <550CB012-C6AF-455B-AE81-67B51CDCD149@earthlink.net>
 <1049550520.388029.1636940486000@verizon.net> 
Message-ID: <01d801d7d9c3$e0012320$a0036960$@island.net>

 

 

This one could work if you filed the bolt bosses off and filled the holes with solder ( or brass braze ??

 

 



https://www.morrisminorspares.com/electrical-c54/electrical-switches-charging-c56/battery-terminal-clamp-negative-p1238577

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: Ramon Spontelli <rspontelli at earthlink.net <mailto:rspontelli at earthlink.net> >; chris at cthompson.net <mailto:chris at cthompson.net> 
Cc: Tiger List <tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)

 

Those are like the ones I got on my trip to England in 2019.  The have a raised block section with the 'P' and or 'N' engraved in that.

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ramon Spontelli via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 11/14/21 7:43 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: chris at cthompson.net <mailto:chris at cthompson.net>  

Cc: Tiger List <tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> > 

Subject: Re: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s) 

 

Chris,

 

You probably want to hold off on that.

 

It appears I was WRONG in my description of what I got from Vincent.  I have not installed the negative cable on the Mk II yet, so I dug it out of the shed this afternoon for a close-up look-see.  The letter ?N? is NOT raised.  It looks raised in the photographs, and from across the room, but close up, it appears to be cast into a raised pedestal on the top of the terminal.

 

I remain delighted with it, and am glad to have it, and the positive terminal as well. But they are clearly not ?proper? for a stock application.

 

Im sorry I got everybody excited about a thing that isn?t.

 

Ramon

 

 

 

On Nov 14, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net <mailto:chris at cthompson.net> > wrote:

 

I sent mail to Vincent asking if he could make some more Tiger cables.  I just got a message back from Vincent:

Sure.  We'd be happy to if I can source the correct parts.  We got lucky finding those terminals. I'll check on Monday.

I just sent him mail saying that we're really looking for the positive cable having the raised P as well. It doesn't sound like he's making them.

Chris

B382000331

On 11/14/2021 1:46 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:

To all

 

Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs

https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/

 

You tube video

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

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From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon Nov 15 11:53:57 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:53:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <7d8df4e4-0b98-812c-037c-0600ded129ad@cthompson.net>
References: <7d8df4e4-0b98-812c-037c-0600ded129ad@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <6BCE5990-6B71-4210-AD5C-FCBC6C04081A@cox.net>

I am told these are original.



Jim
Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 11:26 AM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks for clarifying, Ramon! 
> 
> So does anybody have pictures of the "proper" terminals I can sent to Vincent?
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 11/14/2021 7:43 PM, Ramon Spontelli wrote:
>> Chris,
>> 
>> You probably want to hold off on that.
>> 
>> It appears I was WRONG in my description of what I got from Vincent.  I have not installed the negative cable on the Mk II yet, so I dug it out of the shed this afternoon for a close-up look-see.  The letter ?N? is NOT raised.  It looks raised in the photographs, and from across the room, but close up, it appears to be cast into a raised pedestal on the top of the terminal.
>> 
>> I remain delighted with it, and am glad to have it, and the positive terminal as well. But they are clearly not ?proper? for a stock application.
>> 
>> Im sorry I got everybody excited about a thing that isn?t.
>> 
>> Ramon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I sent mail to Vincent asking if he could make some more Tiger cables.  I just got a message back from Vincent:
>> 
>> Sure.  We'd be happy to if I can source the correct parts.  We got lucky finding those terminals. I'll check on Monday.
>> 
>> I just sent him mail saying that we're really looking for the positive cable having the raised P as well. It doesn't sound like he's making them.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> B382000331
>> 
>> On 11/14/2021 1:46 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>>> To all
>>>  
>>> Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs
>>> https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/
>>>  
>>> You tube video
>>>  
>>> Ron Fraser
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Wed Nov 17 10:53:19 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:53:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <6BCE5990-6B71-4210-AD5C-FCBC6C04081A@cox.net>
References: <7d8df4e4-0b98-812c-037c-0600ded129ad@cthompson.net>
 <6BCE5990-6B71-4210-AD5C-FCBC6C04081A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hYyonY7V2XbYh3jvCpPXHM8a9GLTg3ijcAsTJD1A33t9Q@mail.gmail.com>

This message is being posted for those of you who are dedicated to
nit-picking correctness.  The attached is a picture of an OEM positive
battery connector.  Note that the insulating sleeve placed around the cable
at the terminal end is NOT heat-shrink tubing.  If you're going for
complete correctness you must duplicate this sleeve.  Looks like vinyl to
me.  You can probably make a sleeve by stripping the insulation off of a
cable that's slightly larger in diameter than the battery cable.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 1:53 PM James Lindner via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I am told these are original.
>
>
>
> Jim
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 15, 2021, at 11:26 AM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Thanks for clarifying, Ramon!
>
> So does anybody have pictures of the "proper" terminals I can sent to
> Vincent?
>
> Chris
> On 11/14/2021 7:43 PM, Ramon Spontelli wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> You probably want to hold off on that.
>
> It appears I was WRONG in my description of what I got from Vincent.  I
> have not installed the negative cable on the Mk II yet, so I dug it out of
> the shed this afternoon for a close-up look-see.  The letter ?N? is NOT
> raised.  It looks raised in the photographs, and from across the room, but
> close up, it appears to be cast into a raised pedestal on the top of the
> terminal.
>
> I remain delighted with it, and am glad to have it, and the positive
> terminal as well. But they are clearly not ?proper? for a stock application.
>
> Im sorry I got everybody excited about a thing that isn?t.
>
> Ramon
>
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> wrote:
>
> I sent mail to Vincent asking if he could make some more Tiger cables.  I
> just got a message back from Vincent:
>
> Sure.  We'd be happy to if I can source the correct parts.  We got lucky
> finding those terminals. I'll check on Monday.
>
> I just sent him mail saying that we're really looking for the positive
> cable having the raised P as well. It doesn't sound like he's making them.
>
> Chris
>
> B382000331
> On 11/14/2021 1:46 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>
> To all
>
> Interesting info on soldering battery cable here using solder slugs
>
> https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/lucas-lead-helmet-type-battery-cables.82422/
>
> You tube video
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Nov 18 09:35:34 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:35:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
In-Reply-To: <7d8df4e4-0b98-812c-037c-0600ded129ad@cthompson.net>
References: <mailman.3.1636657202.20209.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <DC253550-BF5E-45D4-BB4D-4A7FB9A28486@earthlink.net>
 <000001d7d970$ca86b7b0$5f942710$@bluefrog.com>
 <B03A225C-B121-4260-9F52-11C4F141AB6A@earthlink.net>
 <001501d7d987$ebb32ec0$c3198c40$@bluefrog.com>
 <ec82b01a-54aa-85f3-7eae-c27297337171@cthompson.net>
 <550CB012-C6AF-455B-AE81-67B51CDCD149@earthlink.net>
 <7d8df4e4-0b98-812c-037c-0600ded129ad@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <000001d7dc9a$50626920$f1273b60$@bluefrog.com>

I only have on original negative cable

 

+ terminal from Wil Seay

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> 
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
To: Ramon Spontelli <rspontelli at earthlink.net>
Cc: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Tiger List <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)

 

Thanks for clarifying, Ramon! 

So does anybody have pictures of the "proper" terminals I can sent to Vincent?

Chris

 

 

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From sunbeams at sc.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 09:51:06 2021
From: sunbeams at sc.rr.com (Eric Gibeaut)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2448.1637253361.2542.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.2448.1637253361.2542.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001201d7dc9c$7b060540$71120fc0$@rr.com>

I can never see any photos here on this Digest.  However someone posted
photos of the correct clamps on the CAT forum-thanks for doing that!!  Eric

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:35:34 -0500
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: <chris at cthompson.net>
Cc: "'Tiger List'" <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I only have on original negative cable

 

+ terminal from Wil Seay

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> 
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:06 PM
To: Ramon Spontelli <rspontelli at earthlink.net>
Cc: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; Tiger List <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] WANTED: Original Battery Terminal Clamp(s)

 

Thanks for clarifying, Ramon! 

So does anybody have pictures of the "proper" terminals I can sent to
Vincent?

Chris

 

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Nov 18 14:08:01 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:08:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
In-Reply-To: <001201d7dc9c$7b060540$71120fc0$@rr.com>
References: <mailman.2448.1637253361.2542.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <001201d7dc9c$7b060540$71120fc0$@rr.com>
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Eric
	Apparently several people on the List have the same problem.
You should contacting the Administrator of the List - Mark about this
problem.
May be there is an easy fix.

 Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Eric Gibeaut via
Tigers
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2021 11:51 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340

I can never see any photos here on this Digest.    Eric



From wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com  Thu Nov 18 16:18:44 2021
From: wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com (Susan and Larry Wright)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] "never see any photos here on this Digest"
References: <mailman.5.1637262002.8801.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F50732B8-BB72-4DF5-A679-729CA5A94F98@icloud.com>

Me, neither ? I have never seen any attachment on this e-mail list in 26 years although e-mails from any other source can, and does, show attached pictures. No idea why.

Larry Wright

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: tigers-request at autox.team.net
> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 341

> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:51:06 -0500
> From: "Eric Gibeaut" <sunbeams at sc.rr.com>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340

> I can never see any photos here on this Digest.  However someone posted
> photos of the correct clamps on the CAT forum-thanks for doing that!!  Eric
> 
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 18 16:42:51 2021
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:42:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Tigers] "never see any photos here on this Digest"
In-Reply-To: <F50732B8-BB72-4DF5-A679-729CA5A94F98@icloud.com>
References: <F50732B8-BB72-4DF5-A679-729CA5A94F98@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1555685754.237502246.1637278971200.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet>

It might be that the digest version drops the photo attachments.

Theo   

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Susan and Larry Wright via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Me, neither ? I have never seen any attachment on this e-mail list in 26 years although e-mails from any other source can, and does, show attached pictures. No idea why.
> 
> Larry Wright
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: tigers-request at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 341
> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:51:06 -0500
>> From: "Eric Gibeaut" <sunbeams at sc.rr.com>
>> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
> 
>> I can never see any photos here on this Digest.  However someone posted
>> photos of the correct clamps on the CAT forum-thanks for doing that!!  Eric
>> 
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From h2otor at aol.com  Fri Nov 19 17:21:02 2021
From: h2otor at aol.com (John Watertor)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 00:21:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 342
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1637348402.26271.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1637348402.26271.tigers@autox.team.net>
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I nave never seen any pictures on this form.John Watertor


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:08:01 -0500
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Eric Gibeaut'" <sunbeams at sc.rr.com>
Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
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Eric
??? Apparently several people on the List have the same problem.
You should contacting the Administrator of the List - Mark about this
problem.
May be there is an easy fix.

 Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Eric Gibeaut via
Tigers
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2021 11:51 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340

I can never see any photos here on this Digest.? ? Eric




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:18:44 -0500
From: Susan and Larry Wright <wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com>
To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] "never see any photos here on this Digest"
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Me, neither ? I have never seen any attachment on this e-mail list in 26 years although e-mails from any other source can, and does, show attached pictures. No idea why.

Larry Wright

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: tigers-request at autox.team.net
> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 341

> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:51:06 -0500
> From: "Eric Gibeaut" <sunbeams at sc.rr.com>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340

> I can never see any photos here on this Digest.? However someone posted
> photos of the correct clamps on the CAT forum-thanks for doing that!!? Eric
> 
> -----Original Message??
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:42:51 -0700 (MST)
From: Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca>
To: Susan and Larry Wright <wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com>
Cc: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] "never see any photos here on this Digest"
Message-ID:
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??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It might be that the digest version drops the photo attachments.

Theo? 

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Susan and Larry Wright via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Me, neither ? I have never seen any attachment on this e-mail list in 26 years although e-mails from any other source can, and does, show attached pictures. No idea why.
> 
> Larry Wright
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: tigers-request at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 341
> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:51:06 -0500
>> From: "Eric Gibeaut" <sunbeams at sc.rr.com>
>> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
> 
>> I can never see any photos here on this Digest.? However someone posted
>> photos of the correct clamps on the CAT forum-thanks for doing that!!? Eric
>> 
>> -----Original Message??
> (PLEASE NOTE: always best to edit and remove extraneous text and headers/footers so those on Digest do not have to cull through entire Digest to read one new line of text)
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 19 18:45:15 2021
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 18:45:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 342
In-Reply-To: <530896859.3711955.1637367662351@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <530896859.3711955.1637367662351@mail.yahoo.com>
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For those that are not seeing pictures: Do you have a subscription to ?tigers? or ?tigers-digest??

-Theo

> On Nov 19, 2021, at 5:21 PM, John Watertor via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I nave never seen any pictures on this form.
> John Watertor
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-request at autox.team.net
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2021 1:00 pm
> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 342
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> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340 (Ron Fraser)
>   2. Re: "never see any photos here on this Digest"
>       (Susan and Larry Wright)
>   3. Re: "never see any photos here on this Digest" (Theo Smit)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:08:01 -0500
> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: "'Eric Gibeaut'" <sunbeams at sc.rr.com>
> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
> Message-ID: <000f01d7dcc0$5fc5d070$1f517150$@bluefrog.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Eric
>     Apparently several people on the List have the same problem.
> You should contacting the Administrator of the List - Mark about this
> problem.
> May be there is an easy fix.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Eric Gibeaut via
> Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2021 11:51 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
> 
> I can never see any photos here on this Digest.    Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:18:44 -0500
> From: Susan and Larry Wright <wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com>
> To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] "never see any photos here on this Digest"
> Message-ID: <F50732B8-BB72-4DF5-A679-729CA5A94F98 at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Me, neither ? I have never seen any attachment on this e-mail list in 26 years although e-mails from any other source can, and does, show attached pictures. No idea why.
> 
> Larry Wright
> 
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > 
> > From: tigers-request at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 341
> 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:51:06 -0500
> > From: "Eric Gibeaut" <sunbeams at sc.rr.com>
> > To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
> 
> > I can never see any photos here on this Digest.  However someone posted
> > photos of the correct clamps on the CAT forum-thanks for doing that!!  Eric
> > 
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> From: Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca>
> To: Susan and Larry Wright <wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com>
> Cc: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] "never see any photos here on this Digest"
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>     
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> It might be that the digest version drops the photo attachments.
> 
> Theo  
> 
> > On Nov 18, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Susan and Larry Wright via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Me, neither ? I have never seen any attachment on this e-mail list in 26 years although e-mails from any other source can, and does, show attached pictures. No idea why.
> > 
> > Larry Wright
> > 
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >> 
> >> From: tigers-request at autox.team.net
> >> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 341
> > 
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:51:06 -0500
> >> From: "Eric Gibeaut" <sunbeams at sc.rr.com>
> >> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 340
> > 
> >> I can never see any photos here on this Digest.  However someone posted
> >> photos of the correct clamps on the CAT forum-thanks for doing that!!  Eric
> >> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 23 15:07:19 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel
Message-ID: <001001d7e0b6$7c3a6370$74af2a50$@bluefrog.com>

Does anyone have their original Tiger engine 260 or 289 Flywheel out and
available for inspection?

 

Here is a picture of my 260 flywheel - please note the CF logo, Ford logo,
casting # C3OE-6380B and date code 4M16 = Dec 16, 1964.

Also note the black circled area just above the counter weight, there is a
stamp mark here.

 

For the 260 I was expecting a stamped circle with an A inside - what I found
was totally different - see 2nd picture - a partial 78 inside a partial
hexagon.

 

I expect the Tiger 289 flywheel has the same casting # C3OE-6380B, stamped
with an F inside a circle.

 

So, the question is - how is your original flywheel marked?

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Tue Nov 23 16:27:07 2021
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 17:27:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 2021 SEMA
Message-ID: <006501d7e0c1$a20ab680$e6202380$@suddenlink.net>

Lots of interesting things at SEMA this year (even though it was not nearly
as big as previous years), one of the things that caught my eye was this
splicing kit (several kits and somewhat spendy).  Look it up at
Spilseal.com.  It makes outstanding factory looking splices. Too bad it
doesn't say Tiger in the mold. HA

 

As soon as I can figure it out I'll send a picture of a transmission (5
speed) that fits the Tiger.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp #58

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Tue Nov 23 16:38:28 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:38:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel
In-Reply-To: <001001d7e0b6$7c3a6370$74af2a50$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <1324305064.85963.1637710714107@verizon.net>

Ron,Attached are two pictures of the ones I have.? I was assuming the C6 came out of my MKIA since it still has the pressure plate bolts attached to it.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 11/23/21  5:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel Does anyone have their original Tiger engine 260 or 289 Flywheel out and available for inspection??Here is a picture of my 260 flywheel ? please note the CF logo, Ford logo, casting # C3OE-6380B and date code 4M16 = Dec 16, 1964.Also note the black circled area just above the counter weight, there is a stamp mark here.?For the 260 I was expecting a stamped circle with an A inside ? what I found was totally different ? see 2nd picture ? a partial 78 inside a partial hexagon.?I expect the Tiger 289 flywheel has the same casting # C3OE-6380B, stamped with an F inside a circle.?So, the question is - how is your original flywheel marked??Ron Fraser???
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Nov 23 16:54:40 2021
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 00:54:40 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel
In-Reply-To: <1324305064.85963.1637710714107@verizon.net>
References: <001001d7e0b6$7c3a6370$74af2a50$@bluefrog.com>
 <1324305064.85963.1637710714107@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CANE47iS7FtU7_os91Nx9t-PfkdBwHSrRO7NGAj=esRTG+tdUHA@mail.gmail.com>

Here?s mine.  I think it?s original.




Il giorno mer 24 nov 2021 alle 00:41 jimdamelio via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> ha scritto:

> Ron,
>
> Attached are two pictures of the ones I have.  I was assuming the C6 came
> out of my MKIA since it still has the pressure plate bolts attached to it.
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: 11/23/21 5:08 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel
>
> Does anyone have their original Tiger engine 260 or 289 Flywheel out and
> available for inspection?
>
>
>
> Here is a picture of my 260 flywheel ? please note the CF logo, Ford logo,
> casting # C3OE-6380B and date code 4M16 = Dec 16, 1964.
>
> Also note the black circled area just above the counter weight, there is a
> stamp mark here.
>
>
>
> For the 260 I was expecting a stamped circle with an A inside ? what I
> found was totally different ? see 2nd picture ? a partial 78 inside a
> partial hexagon.
>
>
>
> I expect the Tiger 289 flywheel has the same casting # C3OE-6380B, stamped
> with an F inside a circle.
>
>
>
> So, the question is - how is your original flywheel marked?
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 23 17:19:12 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 19:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel
In-Reply-To: <1324305064.85963.1637710714107@verizon.net>
References: <001001d7e0b6$7c3a6370$74af2a50$@bluefrog.com>
 <1324305064.85963.1637710714107@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002601d7e0c8$e9ab7d10$bd027730$@bluefrog.com>

Jim 

                The C6ZE flywheel has a 9D10 casting date = April 10, 1969.   This is probably a replacement flywheel from a 302 engine.

The C3OE flywheel has a 5J21 casting date = Sept 21, 1965.

 

The stamp mark above the counter weight determines the engine displacement it goes with.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 6:38 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Flywheel

 

Ron,

 

Attached are two pictures of the ones I have.  I was assuming the C6 came out of my MKIA since it still has the pressure plate bolts attached to it.

 

Jim D

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 11/23/21 5:08 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net>  

Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel 

 

Does anyone have their original Tiger engine 260 or 289 Flywheel out and available for inspection?

 

Here is a picture of my 260 flywheel ? please note the CF logo, Ford logo, casting # C3OE-6380B and date code 4M16 = Dec 16, 1964.

Also note the black circled area just above the counter weight, there is a stamp mark here.

 

For the 260 I was expecting a stamped circle with an A inside ? what I found was totally different ? see 2nd picture ? a partial 78 inside a partial hexagon.

 

I expect the Tiger 289 flywheel has the same casting # C3OE-6380B, stamped with an F inside a circle.

 

So, the question is - how is your original flywheel marked?

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 23 17:21:19 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 19:21:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel
In-Reply-To: <CANE47iS7FtU7_os91Nx9t-PfkdBwHSrRO7NGAj=esRTG+tdUHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001001d7e0b6$7c3a6370$74af2a50$@bluefrog.com>
 <1324305064.85963.1637710714107@verizon.net>
 <CANE47iS7FtU7_os91Nx9t-PfkdBwHSrRO7NGAj=esRTG+tdUHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01d7e0c9$34bdeef0$9e39ccd0$@bluefrog.com>

Owain

                I have no idea what flywheel that is.

Ron Fraser

 

From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 6:55 PM
To: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>
Cc: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flywheel

 

Here?s mine.  I think it?s original. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov 23 19:45:03 2021
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 10:45:03 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Flywheel
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Ron,

I think Owain is being somewhat humorous as he has a rather "warm" modified
motor ;-)


On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 08:21, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Owain
>
>                 I have no idea what flywheel that is.
>
> Ron Fraser
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> *From:* Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 23, 2021 6:55 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Flywheel
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> Here?s mine.  I think it?s original.
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 26 20:43:55 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 19:43:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Retrospective on Alternative History by Larry Wright and
 Steve Laifman
Message-ID: <65B56081-11BF-43DA-B7A3-2571A301CCCE@gmail.com>

I was going though old papers, and came across some early 1996 Tiger group emails that I had printed out back in 1996.  Yeah, remember that?  Paper printing?  This was 25 years ago!  Larry was clearly in a creative mood and sent five emails about alternative history, then my dad provided a few of his own.  I hope you enjoy this - and add some new ones!!!!  


Larry?s (all five emails combined):

1965:  Sunbeam?s fastback Tiger LeMans series now account for half of Tiger sales, outstripping sales of Chevrolet?s Corvette.  Ford?s new fastback, the Mustang, off to a slow start.

1966:  For the second year in a row, Sunbeam Tigers finish 1-2-3 at both LeMans and Sebring.  The lightened Superleggera bodywork, supplied by Touring of Italy, provided a dramatic performance improvement versus their first efforts in 1964.

1967:  Ford Motor Company resists pressure from its own dealers, and their domestic competition, to discount sales of engines to the Rootes Group, maker of the popular Sunbeam Tiger.  A six month waiting list exists for the popular cars, while domestic high-performance cars languish on dealers? lots.

1968:  Safety advocate Ralph Nader?s attack on the Sunbeam Tiger has fizzled.  His allegations of high risk for fire when struck from behind rang hollow when few instances of rear-end collisions were reports.  Sunbeam management was heard to comment on the car?s high speed potential - "if the Tiger is that fast, how could it be hit from behind??

1969:  Yet again, the NHRA Summernationals dominated by the Tigress, a variation of the popular Sunbeam Imp powered by Ford?s V8 engine.  Most important manufactures retrenching in the face of dizzying sales of Rootes? economy, and performance champion.

1970:  What would have been epoch-making safety legislation this year has been voted down in the Senate.  The pressure of public opinion, led by repeated protests by owners of the ubiquitous Sunbeam Tiger, indicates the public just does not want the styling of their cars spoilt by heavier bumpers or other safety features.

1971:  American Motors reports it may have to change its name, now being owned by a British company.  The Rootes Group hopes to cover the beleaguered Kenosha company?s plants to production of the Sunbeam Tiger, which incidentally is rumored to be come mid-engined in the next model year.  It is hoped that Wsconsin?s economy will benefit as Britain?s has, with record low unemployment for yet another year.

1972:  With so many of Ford?s V8 engine supplied in Rootes' Sunbeam Tigers, as well as the expanded Humber range and the revived Singer and Talbot brands, Ford is now the second biggest user of their own engines.  In other news, collectors are rumored to be removing those V8?s to install four-cylinder engines to create replicas of the now-discontinued Alpine variant.

1973:  President McGovern today meets with Britain?s Prime Minister George Harrison.  It is expected that the US may pull out of NATO unless the balance-of-trade problem caused by sales of the cars built by the Rootes Group can be resolved.

1974:  Sears, Roebuck & Co. announced today that their 1,731 auto centers nationwide will become effectively Sunbeam Dealerships, offering new cars (badged as Allstates), servicing and parts.  Unique to Sears? new approach is a racing preparation department, with high-performance engine by the Shelby American Corporation, a company believed to have been involved with Sunbeam?s successes in the early 1960?s.

1979: Sunbeam?s return to Formula One racing is in its fifth year, and expecting a second championship for star driver Mario Andretti.  The success enjoyed by Rootes? competition department in using the Ford Cosworth V8 has prompted an announcement that this engine will power the next generation Tiger, breathing new life into this perennial best-seller.

1980:  The racing world was shocked today by NASCAR?s decision to admit the Kenosha-built Tigers in Grand National racing, leaving no major motorsports venue secure from the primacy of the Rootes group.  One wonders if the carnival bumper-car rides are the only place to avoid being trounced by Sunbeams.

1982:  This month?s Auto Industry Report features an in-depth interview with the Rootes chemist responsible for the new substance TripolyOxyFerron, which results from applying a new patented molecule to rusted steel, and is stronger than the original steel on which it is based.  This is expected to be received well by owners of existing Rootes products.  Also announced this month, by mail-order house J.C. Whitney, is a related product, a finish-abrading kit for car owners.  The news release claims ?guaranteed prompt restting of any car? and urdes car owners to. ?Man their cars sturdier today.?  A legal blocking action by Norton, Bear and other sandpaper manufactures is pending.

1988:  Completing an industry consolidation unprecedented in history, Rootes Group has acquired both Morgan Cars, Ltd. and the Rover Group, leaving Rootes the only carmaker in Britain.  Rover?s Jaguar marque, always at a performance and marketing disadvantage versus Sunbeam, now faces an uncertain future.  A spokesman for Morgan, however, states that no changes to their operation are anticipated.

1991:  A news release from United Artists hints at details of ?Icebreaker,? the next James Bond film.  Actor Michael J. Fox, in the role for the third time, will drive a Sunbeam Tiger with suitable modifications in the picture.

1992:  Sunbeam dealers across the county can begin taking orders for ABS-equipped Tigers.  All that is required is to check off box LAT2718 on the order form.  Also, LAT2713, the rear-fasting third seat for the Husky mini-van, should begin shipping this week against all orders placed to date.

1996:  Shrewd investors in the classic-car market suggest that the next ?sleeper? bound for rapid increases in value is the Shelby Cobra, an obscure roadster from the early 1960?s.  A few hundred of these Ford-powered sports cars were built, and they enjoyed some racing successes until succumbing to all-conquering Sunbeam Tigers.  Pick one up now for as little as five thousand dollars, and you can expect the value to double in the next five years.

2207:  Breakthroughs have been made on translating the transmission from Tau Ceti, giving valuable insight on how the Cetans became aware of us in the first place.  It seems that the Fredgling Cetan space program stumbled upon one of our old deep-space probes, the Star Tiger, launched by Rootes Aerospace late in the 20th century.  The earliest message-segments translated are requests for the whereabouts of one of their dieties, a Mr. Kenneth Howe, who the Cetans apparantly feel we can deliver to them.  Historians are urgently searching the archives of the World Government for clues on the subject, as well as why the Cetans feel we share their religious deference for the number eight.  Stay netted for updates on this fast-breaking story.

Steve Laifman (I so hear his humor in these):

1967:  British-Aerospace, a subsidiary of the Humber Divisions of the Rootes Group, has announced a joint venture with Renault-Aerospatiale to develop a supersonic transport airplane.  This ?SSA? will travel at nearly twice the speed of sound from London to New York in 2 hours.  Powered by phased arrays of 289 cu. in. V-8 motors, manufactured in Coventry by the Singer-Jaguar Division, are said to be capable of extra-atmospheric flight.  Ticket reservations are being taken for a 200 pound English Sterling deposit, or $250,000.00 American dollars.  (400 pound balance due 6 months prior to departure).

1977: The first manned lunar landing, by Astronaught Sterling Moss, was accompanied by his cryptic historical comment ?One small step for man one more world to conquer for Alpine!?  His historic voyage aboard the two-seater Sunbeam Tiger MoonMobile was only marred twice by having to smartly strike the Lucas fuel pump with his bumpershoot handle to restart the 900,000 horsepower Ford V-512 cylinder Tiger air-breathing rocket motor.  This motor is made by the Singer-Ford subsidiary of the Rootes Group in Colonial Arkansas.  Astronaught Moss pre-launch remarks about the sensibility of carrying 250,000 miles of Dunlop-Goodyear air-hose was taken as only in jest by His Majesty, while Mrs. Moss and the Children were present at the TV viewing in the luxurious and famous Tower of London Royal Apartments. (Note from Jay: as most know, my dad was an actual rocket scientist, who certainly knew how to spell.  So I can only surmise that when my dad typed ?astronaught? it was another one of his tongue-in-cheek comments, and note that Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner spelled it that way for a gag they did).

1983:  The rumored production of a retro-Alpine 1955 dropped coupe by the insular Honda Motor Car Company of Japan has been denied by the Ministry of Trade and Industry (MITI).  They are quoted as saying ?Any manufacture of products protected by international copyright and patent agreements could never happen in this country.  The rumor of nostalgia buffs is denied, and apologies are tendered to His Majesty?s Government and were delivered toPrime Minister John F. Kennedy?s ambassador, the Right Honourable Michael Jackson.?  His Majesty?s Government accepted the apology and stood down the Colonial Seventh Fleet being prepared for battle in Cook?s Harbour, Honolulu Colony. 

In other news, Setsumosa Kiosaka, manager of research and development at the Nissan-Mazda division of Honda was found to have committed ritual sepuku by severing his arms, legs, and head simultaneously in five rooms of his Tokyo apartment. No comment was forthcoming rom his widows or corporate spokesmen.  


From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Nov 26 21:26:31 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 20:26:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Retrospective on Alternative History by Larry Wright
 and Steve Laifman
In-Reply-To: <65B56081-11BF-43DA-B7A3-2571A301CCCE@gmail.com>
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I didn't see it mentioned. What year was it that the Cobra was termed 
"/The poor man's Tiger/?" ? I must say we are a bit early for April 1st.

On 11/26/2021 7:43 PM, Jay via Tigers wrote:
> I was going though old papers, and came across some early 1996 Tiger group emails that I had printed out back in 1996.  Yeah, remember that?  Paper printing?  This was 25 years ago!  Larry was clearly in a creative mood and sent five emails about alternative history, then my dad provided a few of his own.  I hope you enjoy this - and add some new ones!!!!
>
>
> Larry?s (all five emails combined):
>
> 1965:  Sunbeam?s fastback Tiger LeMans series now account for half of Tiger sales, outstripping sales of Chevrolet?s Corvette.  Ford?s new fastback, the Mustang, off to a slow start.
>
> 1966:  For the second year in a row, Sunbeam Tigers finish 1-2-3 at both LeMans and Sebring.  The lightened Superleggera bodywork, supplied by Touring of Italy, provided a dramatic performance improvement versus their first efforts in 1964.
>
> 1967:  Ford Motor Company resists pressure from its own dealers, and their domestic competition, to discount sales of engines to the Rootes Group, maker of the popular Sunbeam Tiger.  A six month waiting list exists for the popular cars, while domestic high-performance cars languish on dealers? lots.
>
> 1968:  Safety advocate Ralph Nader?s attack on the Sunbeam Tiger has fizzled.  His allegations of high risk for fire when struck from behind rang hollow when few instances of rear-end collisions were reports.  Sunbeam management was heard to comment on the car?s high speed potential - "if the Tiger is that fast, how could it be hit from behind??
>
> 1969:  Yet again, the NHRA Summernationals dominated by the Tigress, a variation of the popular Sunbeam Imp powered by Ford?s V8 engine.  Most important manufactures retrenching in the face of dizzying sales of Rootes? economy, and performance champion.
>
> 1970:  What would have been epoch-making safety legislation this year has been voted down in the Senate.  The pressure of public opinion, led by repeated protests by owners of the ubiquitous Sunbeam Tiger, indicates the public just does not want the styling of their cars spoilt by heavier bumpers or other safety features.
>
> 1971:  American Motors reports it may have to change its name, now being owned by a British company.  The Rootes Group hopes to cover the beleaguered Kenosha company?s plants to production of the Sunbeam Tiger, which incidentally is rumored to be come mid-engined in the next model year.  It is hoped that Wsconsin?s economy will benefit as Britain?s has, with record low unemployment for yet another year.
>
> 1972:  With so many of Ford?s V8 engine supplied in Rootes' Sunbeam Tigers, as well as the expanded Humber range and the revived Singer and Talbot brands, Ford is now the second biggest user of their own engines.  In other news, collectors are rumored to be removing those V8?s to install four-cylinder engines to create replicas of the now-discontinued Alpine variant.
>
> 1973:  President McGovern today meets with Britain?s Prime Minister George Harrison.  It is expected that the US may pull out of NATO unless the balance-of-trade problem caused by sales of the cars built by the Rootes Group can be resolved.
>
> 1974:  Sears, Roebuck & Co. announced today that their 1,731 auto centers nationwide will become effectively Sunbeam Dealerships, offering new cars (badged as Allstates), servicing and parts.  Unique to Sears? new approach is a racing preparation department, with high-performance engine by the Shelby American Corporation, a company believed to have been involved with Sunbeam?s successes in the early 1960?s.
>
> 1979: Sunbeam?s return to Formula One racing is in its fifth year, and expecting a second championship for star driver Mario Andretti.  The success enjoyed by Rootes? competition department in using the Ford Cosworth V8 has prompted an announcement that this engine will power the next generation Tiger, breathing new life into this perennial best-seller.
>
> 1980:  The racing world was shocked today by NASCAR?s decision to admit the Kenosha-built Tigers in Grand National racing, leaving no major motorsports venue secure from the primacy of the Rootes group.  One wonders if the carnival bumper-car rides are the only place to avoid being trounced by Sunbeams.
>
> 1982:  This month?s Auto Industry Report features an in-depth interview with the Rootes chemist responsible for the new substance TripolyOxyFerron, which results from applying a new patented molecule to rusted steel, and is stronger than the original steel on which it is based.  This is expected to be received well by owners of existing Rootes products.  Also announced this month, by mail-order house J.C. Whitney, is a related product, a finish-abrading kit for car owners.  The news release claims ?guaranteed prompt restting of any car? and urdes car owners to. ?Man their cars sturdier today.?  A legal blocking action by Norton, Bear and other sandpaper manufactures is pending.
>
> 1988:  Completing an industry consolidation unprecedented in history, Rootes Group has acquired both Morgan Cars, Ltd. and the Rover Group, leaving Rootes the only carmaker in Britain.  Rover?s Jaguar marque, always at a performance and marketing disadvantage versus Sunbeam, now faces an uncertain future.  A spokesman for Morgan, however, states that no changes to their operation are anticipated.
>
> 1991:  A news release from United Artists hints at details of ?Icebreaker,? the next James Bond film.  Actor Michael J. Fox, in the role for the third time, will drive a Sunbeam Tiger with suitable modifications in the picture.
>
> 1992:  Sunbeam dealers across the county can begin taking orders for ABS-equipped Tigers.  All that is required is to check off box LAT2718 on the order form.  Also, LAT2713, the rear-fasting third seat for the Husky mini-van, should begin shipping this week against all orders placed to date.
>
> 1996:  Shrewd investors in the classic-car market suggest that the next ?sleeper? bound for rapid increases in value is the Shelby Cobra, an obscure roadster from the early 1960?s.  A few hundred of these Ford-powered sports cars were built, and they enjoyed some racing successes until succumbing to all-conquering Sunbeam Tigers.  Pick one up now for as little as five thousand dollars, and you can expect the value to double in the next five years.
>
> 2207:  Breakthroughs have been made on translating the transmission from Tau Ceti, giving valuable insight on how the Cetans became aware of us in the first place.  It seems that the Fredgling Cetan space program stumbled upon one of our old deep-space probes, the Star Tiger, launched by Rootes Aerospace late in the 20th century.  The earliest message-segments translated are requests for the whereabouts of one of their dieties, a Mr. Kenneth Howe, who the Cetans apparantly feel we can deliver to them.  Historians are urgently searching the archives of the World Government for clues on the subject, as well as why the Cetans feel we share their religious deference for the number eight.  Stay netted for updates on this fast-breaking story.
>
> Steve Laifman (I so hear his humor in these):
>
> 1967:  British-Aerospace, a subsidiary of the Humber Divisions of the Rootes Group, has announced a joint venture with Renault-Aerospatiale to develop a supersonic transport airplane.  This ?SSA? will travel at nearly twice the speed of sound from London to New York in 2 hours.  Powered by phased arrays of 289 cu. in. V-8 motors, manufactured in Coventry by the Singer-Jaguar Division, are said to be capable of extra-atmospheric flight.  Ticket reservations are being taken for a 200 pound English Sterling deposit, or $250,000.00 American dollars.  (400 pound balance due 6 months prior to departure).
>
> 1977: The first manned lunar landing, by Astronaught Sterling Moss, was accompanied by his cryptic historical comment ?One small step for man one more world to conquer for Alpine!?  His historic voyage aboard the two-seater Sunbeam Tiger MoonMobile was only marred twice by having to smartly strike the Lucas fuel pump with his bumpershoot handle to restart the 900,000 horsepower Ford V-512 cylinder Tiger air-breathing rocket motor.  This motor is made by the Singer-Ford subsidiary of the Rootes Group in Colonial Arkansas.  Astronaught Moss pre-launch remarks about the sensibility of carrying 250,000 miles of Dunlop-Goodyear air-hose was taken as only in jest by His Majesty, while Mrs. Moss and the Children were present at the TV viewing in the luxurious and famous Tower of London Royal Apartments. (Note from Jay: as most know, my dad was an actual rocket scientist, who certainly knew how to spell.  So I can only surmise that when my dad typed ?astronaught? it was another one of his tongue-in-cheek comments, and note that Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner spelled it that way for a gag they did).
>
> 1983:  The rumored production of a retro-Alpine 1955 dropped coupe by the insular Honda Motor Car Company of Japan has been denied by the Ministry of Trade and Industry (MITI).  They are quoted as saying ?Any manufacture of products protected by international copyright and patent agreements could never happen in this country.  The rumor of nostalgia buffs is denied, and apologies are tendered to His Majesty?s Government and were delivered toPrime Minister John F. Kennedy?s ambassador, the Right Honourable Michael Jackson.?  His Majesty?s Government accepted the apology and stood down the Colonial Seventh Fleet being prepared for battle in Cook?s Harbour, Honolulu Colony.
>
> In other news, Setsumosa Kiosaka, manager of research and development at the Nissan-Mazda division of Honda was found to have committed ritual sepuku by severing his arms, legs, and head simultaneously in five rooms of his Tokyo apartment. No comment was forthcoming rom his widows or corporate spokesmen.
>
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From wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com  Sat Nov 27 05:57:59 2021
From: wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com (Susan and Larry Wright)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 07:57:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Retrospective on Alternative History by Larry Wright
 and Steve Laifman
Message-ID: <5C2CADCF-98A8-479F-90E4-F7016501A6C9@icloud.com>

	Jay:

	Thanks for finding and sharing that, and ? wow. I had long since forgotten about those posts. I recall this began when someone was musing on The List that if the 1964 LeMans effort had been more successful, then history might have been changed. We just got a little carried away after that.

	I also seemed to recall someone eventually posted ?enough already!?; I guess he wanted to get back to discussions of the effects of heat cycling on intake manifold bolts. That?s fair enough.

Larry Wright
wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com



From mark44124 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 27 12:01:02 2021
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 14:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Retrospective on Alternative History by Larry Wright
 and Steve Laifman
In-Reply-To: <65B56081-11BF-43DA-B7A3-2571A301CCCE@gmail.com>
References: <65B56081-11BF-43DA-B7A3-2571A301CCCE@gmail.com>
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Jay,
This was just brilliant! I too hear your father's dry humor, it's what I
grew up with around my house as well. I missed these the first time around
as I didn't join the Tiger list until 2000 or so.
Bugz

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 10:44 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I was going though old papers, and came across some early 1996 Tiger group
> emails that I had printed out back in 1996.  Yeah, remember that?  Paper
> printing?  This was 25 years ago!  Larry was clearly in a creative mood and
> sent five emails about alternative history, then my dad provided a few of
> his own.  I hope you enjoy this - and add some new ones!!!!
>
>
> Larry?s (all five emails combined):
>
> 1965:  Sunbeam?s fastback Tiger LeMans series now account for half of
> Tiger sales, outstripping sales of Chevrolet?s Corvette.  Ford?s new
> fastback, the Mustang, off to a slow start.
>
> 1966:  For the second year in a row, Sunbeam Tigers finish 1-2-3 at both
> LeMans and Sebring.  The lightened Superleggera bodywork, supplied by
> Touring of Italy, provided a dramatic performance improvement versus their
> first efforts in 1964.
>
> 1967:  Ford Motor Company resists pressure from its own dealers, and their
> domestic competition, to discount sales of engines to the Rootes Group,
> maker of the popular Sunbeam Tiger.  A six month waiting list exists for
> the popular cars, while domestic high-performance cars languish on dealers?
> lots.
>
> 1968:  Safety advocate Ralph Nader?s attack on the Sunbeam Tiger has
> fizzled.  His allegations of high risk for fire when struck from behind
> rang hollow when few instances of rear-end collisions were reports.
> Sunbeam management was heard to comment on the car?s high speed potential -
> "if the Tiger is that fast, how could it be hit from behind??
>
> 1969:  Yet again, the NHRA Summernationals dominated by the Tigress, a
> variation of the popular Sunbeam Imp powered by Ford?s V8 engine.  Most
> important manufactures retrenching in the face of dizzying sales of Rootes?
> economy, and performance champion.
>
> 1970:  What would have been epoch-making safety legislation this year has
> been voted down in the Senate.  The pressure of public opinion, led by
> repeated protests by owners of the ubiquitous Sunbeam Tiger, indicates the
> public just does not want the styling of their cars spoilt by heavier
> bumpers or other safety features.
>
> 1971:  American Motors reports it may have to change its name, now being
> owned by a British company.  The Rootes Group hopes to cover the
> beleaguered Kenosha company?s plants to production of the Sunbeam Tiger,
> which incidentally is rumored to be come mid-engined in the next model
> year.  It is hoped that Wsconsin?s economy will benefit as Britain?s has,
> with record low unemployment for yet another year.
>
> 1972:  With so many of Ford?s V8 engine supplied in Rootes' Sunbeam
> Tigers, as well as the expanded Humber range and the revived Singer and
> Talbot brands, Ford is now the second biggest user of their own engines.
> In other news, collectors are rumored to be removing those V8?s to install
> four-cylinder engines to create replicas of the now-discontinued Alpine
> variant.
>
> 1973:  President McGovern today meets with Britain?s Prime Minister George
> Harrison.  It is expected that the US may pull out of NATO unless the
> balance-of-trade problem caused by sales of the cars built by the Rootes
> Group can be resolved.
>
> 1974:  Sears, Roebuck & Co. announced today that their 1,731 auto centers
> nationwide will become effectively Sunbeam Dealerships, offering new cars
> (badged as Allstates), servicing and parts.  Unique to Sears? new approach
> is a racing preparation department, with high-performance engine by the
> Shelby American Corporation, a company believed to have been involved with
> Sunbeam?s successes in the early 1960?s.
>
> 1979: Sunbeam?s return to Formula One racing is in its fifth year, and
> expecting a second championship for star driver Mario Andretti.  The
> success enjoyed by Rootes? competition department in using the Ford
> Cosworth V8 has prompted an announcement that this engine will power the
> next generation Tiger, breathing new life into this perennial best-seller.
>
> 1980:  The racing world was shocked today by NASCAR?s decision to admit
> the Kenosha-built Tigers in Grand National racing, leaving no major
> motorsports venue secure from the primacy of the Rootes group.  One wonders
> if the carnival bumper-car rides are the only place to avoid being trounced
> by Sunbeams.
>
> 1982:  This month?s Auto Industry Report features an in-depth interview
> with the Rootes chemist responsible for the new substance TripolyOxyFerron,
> which results from applying a new patented molecule to rusted steel, and is
> stronger than the original steel on which it is based.  This is expected to
> be received well by owners of existing Rootes products.  Also announced
> this month, by mail-order house J.C. Whitney, is a related product, a
> finish-abrading kit for car owners.  The news release claims ?guaranteed
> prompt restting of any car? and urdes car owners to. ?Man their cars
> sturdier today.?  A legal blocking action by Norton, Bear and other
> sandpaper manufactures is pending.
>
> 1988:  Completing an industry consolidation unprecedented in history,
> Rootes Group has acquired both Morgan Cars, Ltd. and the Rover Group,
> leaving Rootes the only carmaker in Britain.  Rover?s Jaguar marque, always
> at a performance and marketing disadvantage versus Sunbeam, now faces an
> uncertain future.  A spokesman for Morgan, however, states that no changes
> to their operation are anticipated.
>
> 1991:  A news release from United Artists hints at details of
> ?Icebreaker,? the next James Bond film.  Actor Michael J. Fox, in the role
> for the third time, will drive a Sunbeam Tiger with suitable modifications
> in the picture.
>
> 1992:  Sunbeam dealers across the county can begin taking orders for
> ABS-equipped Tigers.  All that is required is to check off box LAT2718 on
> the order form.  Also, LAT2713, the rear-fasting third seat for the Husky
> mini-van, should begin shipping this week against all orders placed to date.
>
> 1996:  Shrewd investors in the classic-car market suggest that the next
> ?sleeper? bound for rapid increases in value is the Shelby Cobra, an
> obscure roadster from the early 1960?s.  A few hundred of these
> Ford-powered sports cars were built, and they enjoyed some racing successes
> until succumbing to all-conquering Sunbeam Tigers.  Pick one up now for as
> little as five thousand dollars, and you can expect the value to double in
> the next five years.
>
> 2207:  Breakthroughs have been made on translating the transmission from
> Tau Ceti, giving valuable insight on how the Cetans became aware of us in
> the first place.  It seems that the Fredgling Cetan space program stumbled
> upon one of our old deep-space probes, the Star Tiger, launched by Rootes
> Aerospace late in the 20th century.  The earliest message-segments
> translated are requests for the whereabouts of one of their dieties, a Mr.
> Kenneth Howe, who the Cetans apparantly feel we can deliver to them.
> Historians are urgently searching the archives of the World Government for
> clues on the subject, as well as why the Cetans feel we share their
> religious deference for the number eight.  Stay netted for updates on this
> fast-breaking story.
>
> Steve Laifman (I so hear his humor in these):
>
> 1967:  British-Aerospace, a subsidiary of the Humber Divisions of the
> Rootes Group, has announced a joint venture with Renault-Aerospatiale to
> develop a supersonic transport airplane.  This ?SSA? will travel at nearly
> twice the speed of sound from London to New York in 2 hours.  Powered by
> phased arrays of 289 cu. in. V-8 motors, manufactured in Coventry by the
> Singer-Jaguar Division, are said to be capable of extra-atmospheric
> flight.  Ticket reservations are being taken for a 200 pound English
> Sterling deposit, or $250,000.00 American dollars.  (400 pound balance due
> 6 months prior to departure).
>
> 1977: The first manned lunar landing, by Astronaught Sterling Moss, was
> accompanied by his cryptic historical comment ?One small step for man one
> more world to conquer for Alpine!?  His historic voyage aboard the
> two-seater Sunbeam Tiger MoonMobile was only marred twice by having to
> smartly strike the Lucas fuel pump with his bumpershoot handle to restart
> the 900,000 horsepower Ford V-512 cylinder Tiger air-breathing rocket
> motor.  This motor is made by the Singer-Ford subsidiary of the Rootes
> Group in Colonial Arkansas.  Astronaught Moss pre-launch remarks about the
> sensibility of carrying 250,000 miles of Dunlop-Goodyear air-hose was taken
> as only in jest by His Majesty, while Mrs. Moss and the Children were
> present at the TV viewing in the luxurious and famous Tower of London Royal
> Apartments. (Note from Jay: as most know, my dad was an actual rocket
> scientist, who certainly knew how to spell.  So I can only surmise that
> when my dad typed ?astronaught? it was another one of his tongue-in-cheek
> comments, and note that Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner spelled it that way for
> a gag they did).
>
> 1983:  The rumored production of a retro-Alpine 1955 dropped coupe by the
> insular Honda Motor Car Company of Japan has been denied by the Ministry of
> Trade and Industry (MITI).  They are quoted as saying ?Any manufacture of
> products protected by international copyright and patent agreements could
> never happen in this country.  The rumor of nostalgia buffs is denied, and
> apologies are tendered to His Majesty?s Government and were delivered
> toPrime Minister John F. Kennedy?s ambassador, the Right Honourable Michael
> Jackson.?  His Majesty?s Government accepted the apology and stood down the
> Colonial Seventh Fleet being prepared for battle in Cook?s Harbour,
> Honolulu Colony.
>
> In other news, Setsumosa Kiosaka, manager of research and development at
> the Nissan-Mazda division of Honda was found to have committed ritual
> sepuku by severing his arms, legs, and head simultaneously in five rooms of
> his Tokyo apartment. No comment was forthcoming rom his widows or corporate
> spokesmen.
>
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 10:17:51 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:17:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
References: <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?In my trunk rehab project, I need a clue as to the original color of the tool roll strap. I was lucky enough to get a somewhat tattered strap, but there is no way to tell its original color.?Any data would be helpful, please.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov 29 11:33:11 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:33:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
In-Reply-To: <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101d7e54f$910cef00$b326cd00$@bluefrog.com>

Jim 

                I would say black.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:18 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color

 

Hello,

 

In my trunk rehab project, I need a clue as to the original color of the tool roll strap. I was lucky enough to get a somewhat tattered strap, but there is no way to tell its original color.

 

Any data would be helpful, please.

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 29 12:03:54 2021
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:03:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
In-Reply-To: <001101d7e54f$910cef00$b326cd00$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001101d7e54f$910cef00$b326cd00$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <9782CE2D-3AB7-49D9-B6FC-B0702390D4DB@sbcglobal.net>

I suggest you carefully pry off the metal tip and look at the unexposed end. You might be able to determine the color where the environment did not get to it as much.

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Reply-To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Date: Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:35 PM
To: 'James Armstrong' <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tool roll strap color

 

Jim 

                I would say black.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:18 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color

 

Hello,

 

In my trunk rehab project, I need a clue as to the original color of the tool roll strap. I was lucky enough to get a somewhat tattered strap, but there is no way to tell its original color.

 

Any data would be helpful, please.

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 12:10:49 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:10:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 351
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3846.1638210811.2542.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3846.1638210811.2542.tigers@autox.team.net>
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From the picture I see what you mean Ron

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 29, 2021, at 1:34 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:17:51 +0000 (UTC)
> From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
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> 
> Hello,
> ?In my trunk rehab project, I need a clue as to the original color of the tool roll strap. I was lucky enough to get a somewhat tattered strap, but there is no way to tell its original color.?Any data would be helpful, please.
> Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Jim 
> 
>                I would say black.
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> In my trunk rehab project, I need a clue as to the original color of the tool roll strap. I was lucky enough to get a somewhat tattered strap, but there is no way to tell its original color.
> 
> 
> 
> Any data would be helpful, please.
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> 
> Mk 1A
> 
> 382002083 LRXFE
> 
> Code 86
> 
> TAC # 0763
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 12:11:15 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:11:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 351
In-Reply-To: <D79CFA9F-5B7E-477B-9AB3-9E529DA78743@aol.com>
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From the picture I see what you mean Ron.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 29, 2021, at 2:10 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG <rollright at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?From the picture I see what you mean Ron
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2021, at 1:34 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:17:51 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
>> Message-ID: <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Hello,
>> ?In my trunk rehab project, I need a clue as to the original color of the tool roll strap. I was lucky enough to get a somewhat tattered strap, but there is no way to tell its original color.?Any data would be helpful, please.
>> Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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>> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
>> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
>> Message-ID: <001101d7e54f$910cef00$b326cd00$@bluefrog.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>>               I would say black.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
>> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:18 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In my trunk rehab project, I need a clue as to the original color of the tool roll strap. I was lucky enough to get a somewhat tattered strap, but there is no way to tell its original color.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any data would be helpful, please.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim Armstrong
>> 
>> Mk 1A
>> 
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> 
>> Code 86
>> 
>> TAC # 0763
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 29 12:21:08 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:21:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool roll strap color
In-Reply-To: <001101d7e54f$910cef00$b326cd00$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1631436296.1044496.1638206271048@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001101d7e54f$910cef00$b326cd00$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hbme4E8R9UX6mONEcYfEggMQijcNm-384ugqOhGAjY2QQ@mail.gmail.com>

It was black.  Some bleach to a light color with age but the original color
was black.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 1:33 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Jim
>
>                 I would say black.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *James
> Armstrong via Tigers
> *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2021 12:18 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] tool roll strap color
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> In my trunk rehab project, I need a clue as to the original color of the
> tool roll strap. I was lucky enough to get a somewhat tattered strap, but
> there is no way to tell its original color.
>
>
>
> Any data would be helpful, please.
>
>
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Mk 1A
>
> 382002083 LRXFE
>
> Code 86
>
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
>
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From wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com  Mon Nov 29 12:24:39 2021
From: wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com (Susan and Larry Wright)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:24:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Retrospective on Alternative History by Larry Wright
	and Steve Laifman
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3510.1637987204.2542.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3510.1637987204.2542.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <087DE894-5FB5-461D-9554-99E2F36F5556@icloud.com>


> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 19:43:55 -0800
> From: Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Retrospective on Alternative History by Larry Wright
> 	and Steve Laifman
> Message-ID: <65B56081-11BF-43DA-B7A3-2571A301CCCE at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
> 
> I was going though old papers, and came across some early 1996 Tiger group emails that I had printed out back in 1996.  Yeah, remember that?  Paper printing?  This was 25 years ago!  Larry was clearly in a creative mood and sent five emails about alternative history, then my dad provided a few of his own.  I hope you enjoy this - and add some new ones!!!!  

	OK, Jay: ONE more?.

1977: The company Iran Khodro, which has been building Rootes? Hillman Hunter under license for a decade as the Pakyan, has expanded its offering with production of the Sunbeam Tiger; the Iranian company will market primarily to more affluent buyers in emerging markets. Expanded manufacturing facilities, and signifiant hiring there, promises to bolster the local economy to the point that unrest in that country might be on the wane. The most recent announcement is an Iranian Delivery Program, where buyers can take delivery of their cars at the factory and then be led on a tour of historic sites.

From harryb at elams.org  Mon Nov 29 13:11:31 2021
From: harryb at elams.org (H B Elam)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:11:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tool tool strap
Message-ID: <1DBF43E3-BE2A-4055-941A-28BF3361B824@elams.org>

When my tool tool strap and trunk cover hold up strap died, I used old US  Navy blue belt material. It is so Dark Blue that it looks black to me. As a retired USN officer it was an easy find for me. Others may find it a more difficult hunt.

Harry Elam
TAC #37

From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 17:21:13 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:21:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Retrospective on Alternative History by Larry Wright
 and Steve Laifman
In-Reply-To: <087DE894-5FB5-461D-9554-99E2F36F5556@icloud.com>
References: <mailman.3510.1637987204.2542.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <087DE894-5FB5-461D-9554-99E2F36F5556@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <8BE73E04-FD57-44F7-9292-18019312C3AA@gmail.com>

2022: Tesla filed an 8-K today to give notice of Tesla?s executing agreements to purchase Rootes and Sunbeam Appliances.  Tesla?s press release announced that it was only appropriate to recognize its cars are mere electronic appliances.  The board further announced that Elon Musk was finally being removed from all duties after the uproar caused by Elon?s tweets about Plaid mode and Spaceballs, the movie it came from, now that all gender identifying references have been outlawed. An appeal from the Scottish Travel Ministry was unsuccessful, not withstanding their valid point that in Scotland, plaid tends to be worn by men in skirts.  The board is considering naming the performance mode as ?Tiger mode? in honor of the Rootes Sunbeam Tiger.  However, the SPCA has become a minority shareholder in Tesla for the sole purpose of preventing the company from maligning the animal?s name with ?prior owners of Sunbeam Tigers who are believed to have had more testosterone than currently allowed by law in the US.?  



> On Nov 29, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Susan and Larry Wright via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 19:43:55 -0800
>> From: Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
>> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Tigers] Retrospective on Alternative History by Larry Wright
>> 	and Steve Laifman
>> Message-ID: <65B56081-11BF-43DA-B7A3-2571A301CCCE at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>> 
>> I was going though old papers, and came across some early 1996 Tiger group emails that I had printed out back in 1996.  Yeah, remember that?  Paper printing?  This was 25 years ago!  Larry was clearly in a creative mood and sent five emails about alternative history, then my dad provided a few of his own.  I hope you enjoy this - and add some new ones!!!!  
> 
> 	OK, Jay: ONE more?.
> 
> 1977: The company Iran Khodro, which has been building Rootes? Hillman Hunter under license for a decade as the Pakyan, has expanded its offering with production of the Sunbeam Tiger; the Iranian company will market primarily to more affluent buyers in emerging markets. Expanded manufacturing facilities, and signifiant hiring there, promises to bolster the local economy to the point that unrest in that country might be on the wane. The most recent announcement is an Iranian Delivery Program, where buyers can take delivery of their cars at the factory and then be led on a tour of historic sites.
> _______________________________________________
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