From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Jun  6 10:24:07 2021
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 11:24:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
Message-ID: <002201d75af0$60264290$2072c7b0$@suddenlink.net>

Anybody know the proper length of the Tiger speedometer cable?  Or what Ford
model and year fits the Tiger.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp.  #58

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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 13:59:08 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 14:59:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Front Marker Light Question
Message-ID: <CAKb_wf=W7m=aSP7FYd1NZY7fFK0b42Q3-ki1AN4FovJFssk0cg@mail.gmail.com>

This might be a stupid question but I have just replaced my exterior light
bulbs with LEDs from Joe Parlanti.  The main reason I decided to do this
was because the incandescent bulbs in my rear brake lights were melting the
lenses if I held the brake for very long.

Anyway, my front lights have a smaller clear lens and a larger amber.  When
I turn on my turn signals it is the small clear lights that blink.  I'm a
little confused because the parts catalog lists the amber side as being the
"flasher".  Do I have my front lights wired backwards?

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From flynnr2 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 14:08:52 2021
From: flynnr2 at gmail.com (R Flynn)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:08:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Any recommendations for (mostly body) restoration?
Message-ID: <CAL1UyNZXcSbdbGF9E0MOkRfAA4i850VgjswyL-_60z51kLvbkg@mail.gmail.com>

All,

Looking to see if anyone has recommendations for shops to do a Tiger
(mostly body) restoration in the US?

Basic situation is solid driver showing its age
- ?64 MKI
- Restored by Hampson & Postle in early 90s (then of Sunbeam Spares), took
?Best Restoration? at a STOC event
- Received Dale A?s front end, 5-speed conversion, & Wilwood disk brake
upgrade in 2014
- Driven somewhere between ?regularly? and ?like I stole it? from 1999 when
I purchased it onwards
- Always lived in damp UK or maritime US climates (east coast)
- Now has the usual road rash underneath, some blisters forming under the
paint topside (though no visible rust), some shut lines are not what they
once were, &c.

Cheers in advance

Rick
-- 
rick
B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jun  6 14:15:14 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:15:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <002201d75af0$60264290$2072c7b0$@suddenlink.net>
References: <002201d75af0$60264290$2072c7b0$@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <000701d75b10$aa2736e0$fe75a4a0$@bluefrog.com>

Jerry

 

Parts List indicates C4JZ-17260-A - no length is included.

 

Sunbeam Specialties lists the speedometer cable - TR238T

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry
Christopherson
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2021 12:24 PM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable

 

Anybody know the proper length of the Tiger speedometer cable?  Or what Ford
model and year fits the Tiger.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp.  #58

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From bobwanty at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 14:20:17 2021
From: bobwanty at gmail.com (Bob Wanty)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:20:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <000701d75b10$aa2736e0$fe75a4a0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000701d75b10$aa2736e0$fe75a4a0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <58079FE4-DDD8-4F2A-BAA0-CE47289926E6@gmail.com>

You need to know the number of teeth on the drive gear 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jerry
>  
> Parts List indicates C4JZ-17260-A ? no length is included.
>  
> Sunbeam Specialties lists the speedometer cable ? TR238T
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2021 12:24 PM
> To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
>  
> Anybody know the proper length of the Tiger speedometer cable?  Or what Ford model and year fits the Tiger.
>  
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
> TAC insp.  #58
> _______________________________________________
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun  6 14:32:54 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:32:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Front Marker Light Question
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wf=W7m=aSP7FYd1NZY7fFK0b42Q3-ki1AN4FovJFssk0cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wf=W7m=aSP7FYd1NZY7fFK0b42Q3-ki1AN4FovJFssk0cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hZ1XFT1hg4p=k8Z7HqhJ22nhHnsVsnDFZC9E3i-LZRDaw@mail.gmail.com>

Joe, you probably do have your lights wired backwards.  I had the same
problem in the rear with brake and signal reversed.  Should be a simple
matter to do the wire switch.  Those lights have a pigtail lead that
connects to the main harness that runs down either side of the engine
compartment.  Connection to the harness is through barrel connectors.  All
you have to do is unplug and switch.  you can do it trial and error or look
up the wire color in the circuit diagram in the workshop manual.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:59 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This might be a stupid question but I have just replaced my exterior light
> bulbs with LEDs from Joe Parlanti.  The main reason I decided to do this
> was because the incandescent bulbs in my rear brake lights were melting the
> lenses if I held the brake for very long.
>
> Anyway, my front lights have a smaller clear lens and a larger amber.
> When I turn on my turn signals it is the small clear lights that blink.
> I'm a little confused because the parts catalog lists the amber side as
> being the "flasher".  Do I have my front lights wired backwards?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 14:37:42 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <58079FE4-DDD8-4F2A-BAA0-CE47289926E6@gmail.com>
References: <000701d75b10$aa2736e0$fe75a4a0$@bluefrog.com>
 <58079FE4-DDD8-4F2A-BAA0-CE47289926E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnxUJeAY-MM4RfsZHJ1SGgmbFfz5dr+7qLFMhXf4Pqu8w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jerry,

I have my original one in front of me.  The overall length of the sheath is
about 76" including the inner cable which sticks out a little on both
ends.  Let me know if you need something more specific.

Have Fun,
Joe Brown

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:20 PM Bob Wanty <bobwanty at gmail.com> wrote:

> You need to know the number of teeth on the drive gear
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> Parts List indicates C4JZ-17260-A ? no length is included.
>
>
>
> Sunbeam Specialties lists the speedometer cable ? TR238T
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jerry
> Christopherson
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 06, 2021 12:24 PM
> *To:* Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Speedo Cable
>
>
>
> Anybody know the proper length of the Tiger speedometer cable?  Or what
> Ford model and year fits the Tiger.
>
>
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
> 9473187
>
> TAC insp.  #58
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 14:39:02 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Front Marker Light Question
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0hZ1XFT1hg4p=k8Z7HqhJ22nhHnsVsnDFZC9E3i-LZRDaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wf=W7m=aSP7FYd1NZY7fFK0b42Q3-ki1AN4FovJFssk0cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMRx0hZ1XFT1hg4p=k8Z7HqhJ22nhHnsVsnDFZC9E3i-LZRDaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnfXr=c6ZarXcASJBe6aC4d=L54k_U3XKYc9vCwjqfTvg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all of the answers.  I'll swap the wires for the front markers.
FYI, Joe Parlanti's LED bulbs work great.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:33 PM Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Joe, you probably do have your lights wired backwards.  I had the same
> problem in the rear with brake and signal reversed.  Should be a simple
> matter to do the wire switch.  Those lights have a pigtail lead that
> connects to the main harness that runs down either side of the engine
> compartment.  Connection to the harness is through barrel connectors.  All
> you have to do is unplug and switch.  you can do it trial and error or look
> up the wire color in the circuit diagram in the workshop manual.
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:59 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This might be a stupid question but I have just replaced my exterior
>> light bulbs with LEDs from Joe Parlanti.  The main reason I decided to do
>> this was because the incandescent bulbs in my rear brake lights were
>> melting the lenses if I held the brake for very long.
>>
>> Anyway, my front lights have a smaller clear lens and a larger amber.
>> When I turn on my turn signals it is the small clear lights that blink.
>> I'm a little confused because the parts catalog lists the amber side as
>> being the "flasher".  Do I have my front lights wired backwards?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Brown
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun  6 14:44:40 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:44:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <002201d75af0$60264290$2072c7b0$@suddenlink.net>
References: <002201d75af0$60264290$2072c7b0$@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hYkErepWL7cYKHy83fAauzobv4HnWmOvVK8jpxxLgWW+g@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,
Ford P/N for the cable is C4JZ-17260-A.  CJ Pony Parts lists a C5OZ-17260-A
for 64-67 Mustang, 68" end-to-end.  The C5OZ number probably succeeds the
C4JZ number.  Give CL Pony parts a call.  They might be able to tell you.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 12:24 PM Jerry Christopherson <
JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:

> Anybody know the proper length of the Tiger speedometer cable?  Or what
> Ford model and year fits the Tiger.
>
>
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
> 9473187
>
> TAC insp.  #58
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jun  6 14:58:04 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <58079FE4-DDD8-4F2A-BAA0-CE47289926E6@gmail.com>
References: <000701d75b10$aa2736e0$fe75a4a0$@bluefrog.com>
 <58079FE4-DDD8-4F2A-BAA0-CE47289926E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01d75b16$a5893600$f09ba200$@bluefrog.com>

Bob

                The driven gear on the cable is a separate part, you simply remove from speedometer cable and install on new speedometer cable.

 

>From Parts List

MK I       C3OA-17271-A   speedometer cable gear ? 15 teeth          no longer available from Ford, I believe ? 16 teeth is available

MK II                                      speedometer cable gear ? 17 teeth          no Ford part # listed but could be C3DZ-17271-B

 

If you made a transmission change of any kind then you need to know the # of teeth on the transmission drive gear to determine the correct speedometer cable driven gear.

If you are retaining the speedometer cable system.

 

The length of the speedometer cable could be different for LHD & RHD Tigers plus a 5 speed transmission could change the length needed.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Bob Wanty <bobwanty at gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2021 4:20 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>; Tiger Autox <TIGERS at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Cable

 

You need to know the number of teeth on the drive gear 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

?

Jerry

 

Parts List indicates C4JZ-17260-A ? no length is included.

 

Sunbeam Specialties lists the speedometer cable ? TR238T

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2021 12:24 PM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET <mailto:TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET> >
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable

 

Anybody know the proper length of the Tiger speedometer cable?  Or what Ford model and year fits the Tiger.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp.  #58

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From: cyclonegord66 at msn.com (Gord Dewhurst)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 21:12:12 +0000
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Today's Topics:

   1. Front Marker Light Question (Joe Brown)
   2. Any recommendations for (mostly body) restoration? (R Flynn)
   3. Re: Speedo Cable (Ron Fraser)
   4. Re: Speedo Cable (Bob Wanty)
   5. Re: Front Marker Light Question (Will Seay)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 14:59:08 -0500
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
To: Tigers Den <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Front Marker Light Question
Message-ID:
        <CAKb_wf=W7m=aSP7FYd1NZY7fFK0b42Q3-ki1AN4FovJFssk0cg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This might be a stupid question but I have just replaced my exterior light
bulbs with LEDs from Joe Parlanti.  The main reason I decided to do this
was because the incandescent bulbs in my rear brake lights were melting the
lenses if I held the brake for very long.

Anyway, my front lights have a smaller clear lens and a larger amber.  When
I turn on my turn signals it is the small clear lights that blink.  I'm a
little confused because the parts catalog lists the amber side as being the
"flasher".  Do I have my front lights wired backwards?

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:08:52 -0400
From: R Flynn <flynnr2 at gmail.com>
To: "<tigers at Autox.Team.Net>" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Any recommendations for (mostly body) restoration?
Message-ID:
        <CAL1UyNZXcSbdbGF9E0MOkRfAA4i850VgjswyL-_60z51kLvbkg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

All,

Looking to see if anyone has recommendations for shops to do a Tiger
(mostly body) restoration in the US?

Basic situation is solid driver showing its age
- ?64 MKI
- Restored by Hampson & Postle in early 90s (then of Sunbeam Spares), took
?Best Restoration? at a STOC event
- Received Dale A?s front end, 5-speed conversion, & Wilwood disk brake
upgrade in 2014
- Driven somewhere between ?regularly? and ?like I stole it? from 1999 when
I purchased it onwards
- Always lived in damp UK or maritime US climates (east coast)
- Now has the usual road rash underneath, some blisters forming under the
paint topside (though no visible rust), some shut lines are not what they
once were, &c.

Cheers in advance

Rick
--
rick
B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:15:14 -0400
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Jerry Christopherson'" <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>, "'Tiger
        Autox'" <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
Message-ID: <000701d75b10$aa2736e0$fe75a4a0$@bluefrog.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Jerry



Parts List indicates C4JZ-17260-A - no length is included.



Sunbeam Specialties lists the speedometer cable - TR238T



Ron Fraser



From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry
Christopherson
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2021 12:24 PM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable



Anybody know the proper length of the Tiger speedometer cable?  Or what Ford
model and year fits the Tiger.



Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp.  #58

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:20:17 -0400
From: Bob Wanty <bobwanty at gmail.com>
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>, Tiger Autox
        <TIGERS at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
Message-ID: <58079FE4-DDD8-4F2A-BAA0-CE47289926E6 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

You need to know the number of teeth on the drive gear

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Jerry
>
> Parts List indicates C4JZ-17260-A ? no length is included.
>
> Sunbeam Specialties lists the speedometer cable ? TR238T
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopherson
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2021 12:24 PM
> To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
>
> Anybody know the proper length of the Tiger speedometer cable?  Or what Ford model and year fits the Tiger.
>
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
> TAC insp.  #58
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:32:54 -0400
From: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com>
To: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tigers Den <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front Marker Light Question
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Joe, you probably do have your lights wired backwards.  I had the same
problem in the rear with brake and signal reversed.  Should be a simple
matter to do the wire switch.  Those lights have a pigtail lead that
connects to the main harness that runs down either side of the engine
compartment.  Connection to the harness is through barrel connectors.  All
you have to do is unplug and switch.  you can do it trial and error or look
up the wire color in the circuit diagram in the workshop manual.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:59 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This might be a stupid question but I have just replaced my exterior light
> bulbs with LEDs from Joe Parlanti.  The main reason I decided to do this
> was because the incandescent bulbs in my rear brake lights were melting the
> lenses if I held the brake for very long.
>
> Anyway, my front lights have a smaller clear lens and a larger amber.
> When I turn on my turn signals it is the small clear lights that blink.
> I'm a little confused because the parts catalog lists the amber side as
> being the "flasher".  Do I have my front lights wired backwards?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Jun  6 17:25:45 2021
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 18:25:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
Message-ID: <007501d75b2b$4669d020$d33d7060$@suddenlink.net>

Just had an idea,  thought I would throw it out there in Tiger land.  Any
reason someone that has a 3-D printer couldn't make a 15 tooth speedometer
gear for the Tiger??  Could sell a bunch??

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp. #58

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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  6 18:42:14 2021
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 20:42:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
In-Reply-To: <007501d75b2b$4669d020$d33d7060$@suddenlink.net>
References: <007501d75b2b$4669d020$d33d7060$@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>

David Kee toploaders has a 16 tooth gear. That might be ?Close enough for Government Work? as my dad used to say.

http://4speedtoploaders.com/store/speedometergears.html

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:26 PM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth

 

Just had an idea,  thought I would throw it out there in Tiger land.  Any reason someone that has a 3-D printer couldn?t make a 15 tooth speedometer gear for the Tiger??  Could sell a bunch??

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp. #58

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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Jun  6 19:07:14 2021
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 19:07:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
In-Reply-To: <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>
References: <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1580964963.114399433.1623028034078.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet>

The main challenge would be that the plastic that is going to be durable enough for that job may not be printable. It might be more practical to find a machine shop that can load the appropriate material (probably Delrin or else a glass filled nylon) into a gear cutting machine. 
For best results you want to know exactly what is normally used in the OEM parts. 

Cheers,
Theo 

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 6:43 PM, Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> David Kee toploaders has a 16 tooth gear. That might be ?Close enough for Government Work? as my dad used to say.
> http://4speedtoploaders.com/store/speedometergears.html
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
> Date: Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:26 PM
> To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
>  
> Just had an idea,  thought I would throw it out there in Tiger land.  Any reason someone that has a 3-D printer couldn?t make a 15 tooth speedometer gear for the Tiger??  Could sell a bunch??
>  
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
> TAC insp. #58
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jun  6 19:08:18 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 18:08:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
In-Reply-To: <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>
References: <007501d75b2b$4669d020$d33d7060$@suddenlink.net>
 <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <007b01d75b39$9be971f0$d3bc55d0$@mayfco.com>

Hey, good catch!  A 16 tooth replacing a 15 tooth one will turn about 6% slower. But most of us are running slightly larger tires anyway so, yeah, probably close enough.   When I put in a 3.54:1 rear gear with posi, I got the correct one for that gear ratio but was smart enough to keep my 15T one, lol.   I also kept the entire 2.88 gear set and rear end as well.  

 

Again, good catch and thanks for keeping us informed!

 

Mayf

Worlds Fastest Sunbeam. Period. 

(Not necessarily the quickest though) 

 

Pahrump, NV

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Donald Antilla
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:42 PM
To: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>; Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 15 tooth

 

David Kee toploaders has a 16 tooth gear. That might be ?Close enough for Government Work? as my dad used to say.

http://4speedtoploaders.com/store/speedometergears.html

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net <mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> >
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:26 PM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET <mailto:TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET> >
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth

 

Just had an idea,  thought I would throw it out there in Tiger land.  Any reason someone that has a 3-D printer couldn?t make a 15 tooth speedometer gear for the Tiger??  Could sell a bunch??

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp. #58

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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  6 20:35:54 2021
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 22:35:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
In-Reply-To: <007b01d75b39$9be971f0$d3bc55d0$@mayfco.com>
References: <007b01d75b39$9be971f0$d3bc55d0$@mayfco.com>
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Larry and friends: 
When you check in with David Kee, be sure to check that the ?pitch? of the plastic gear teeth  is the same as your original one. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 9:08 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hey, good catch!  A 16 tooth replacing a 15 tooth one will turn about 6% slower. But most of us are running slightly larger tires anyway so, yeah, probably close enough.   When I put in a 3.54:1 rear gear with posi, I got the correct one for that gear ratio but was smart enough to keep my 15T one, lol.   I also kept the entire 2.88 gear set and rear end as well.  
>  
> Again, good catch and thanks for keeping us informed!
>  
> Mayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam. Period.
> (Not necessarily the quickest though)
>  
> Pahrump, NV
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Donald Antilla
> Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:42 PM
> To: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>; Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 15 tooth
>  
> David Kee toploaders has a 16 tooth gear. That might be ?Close enough for Government Work? as my dad used to say.
> http://4speedtoploaders.com/store/speedometergears.html
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
> Date: Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:26 PM
> To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
>  
> Just had an idea,  thought I would throw it out there in Tiger land.  Any reason someone that has a 3-D printer couldn?t make a 15 tooth speedometer gear for the Tiger??  Could sell a bunch??
>  
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
> TAC insp. #58
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Jun  7 07:06:42 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 06:06:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
In-Reply-To: <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>
References: <007501d75b2b$4669d020$d33d7060$@suddenlink.net>
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So I logged on to Kee?s web site and checked the parts out. The speedo gear is 15 bucks, a keeper is 4.50 for just about 20 bucks. Then Just for chuckles I out those into a cart with my zip code. Shipping prices are bat sh*t.  18 bucks for standard shipping, up to 96 bucks for hurry up. What I called a standard rate for shipping was 40 bucks.   This pat weighs less than a standard envelope? Sure glad I have my OEM one. 

 

Speedo gears, on cars driven so little, are likely to last near forever.   Would  it be worth making 15T ones to fit the 2.88: gear set with the small diameter size tires? Likely not.  As mentioned before, a + 1 tire size might be enough for the ratio  discrepancy (6%), and that is probably good enough. 

 

I am good to go, ?

 

Mayf

TWFS

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Donald Antilla
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:42 PM
To: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>; Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 15 tooth

 

David Kee toploaders has a 16 tooth gear. That might be ?Close enough for Government Work? as my dad used to say.

http://4speedtoploaders.com/store/speedometergears.html

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net <mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> >
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:26 PM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET <mailto:TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET> >
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth

 

Just had an idea,  thought I would throw it out there in Tiger land.  Any reason someone that has a 3-D printer couldn?t make a 15 tooth speedometer gear for the Tiger??  Could sell a bunch??

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp. #58

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From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Mon Jun  7 09:06:10 2021
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 15:06:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event
References: <1364211477.4465208.1623078370114.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1364211477.4465208.1623078370114@mail.yahoo.com>

Announcing the next Florida TAC Event on July 10th beginning at 10am.? This event will be in the Valrico/Tampa area.? If you are interested in having your car authenticated, please respond to me at? ?sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net .?Thanks,
Paul R Sheahan? ? ?
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 13:27:53 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 15:27:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Carpets
Message-ID: <CACQC2nXZzwZ_mT-pS6sMOnmFU9zj7azhpwh1eZct8vM9_y2zFw@mail.gmail.com>

Its time for fresh new look. Where does one go to get a good fitting rug
kit these days. Is it better to have them made up at a upholstery shop.I
was never happy the way my present rugs fit over the trans hump,
Any thoughts.     BEAU
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Tue Jun  8 14:36:17 2021
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 15:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch and speedo issues
Message-ID: <000c01d75ca5$eec3fd60$cc4bf820$@suddenlink.net>

I want to thank ALL the responses I got from both of my issues. The clutch
issue was solved by going to a bigger master cylinder (.700) from "Custom
Spares LTD".  Recommended by Rick from SS and Tom Hall (he recommended the
.700 MC). It

 

allowed just a little more travel of the slave cylinder to do the trick. 

 

The clutch works, but as stated by someone it is a bit stiffer.  It also
releases down closer to the floor, I prefer a release further up.   If I had
to do it over again I wouldn't have gone with a "performance" clutch (Ram).
As light as the Tiger it does not 

 

need a strong clutch.  A stock Mustang clutch would be more than enough in
my opinion and probably a lot easier to operate.  Even with my 302 with
370HP the tires are the "brake-aways" not a slipping clutch.

 

The other issue I had was the speedometer cable came loose from the part
that goes into the trans.  That made me think and ask about a new one.   I
was able to "re-swedge" the part that goes over the cable housing, hopefully
it'll hold. If not I'll 

 

get a new one.  Also I do have a 16 tooth gear. I knew that there isn't any
stock 15 tooth gears that's why I asked if anyone thought of doing a 3-D
one.  At SEMA one year they did a 3-D car, so I thought a simple gear would
be possible.  HA!

 

 

 

Jerry

9473187

TAC insp. #58

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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 17:41:10 2021
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 19:41:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Carpets
In-Reply-To: <CACQC2nXZzwZ_mT-pS6sMOnmFU9zj7azhpwh1eZct8vM9_y2zFw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGiVA4bx7NGfeAy9UBiT_Dn7=dSQoaiPvRDQ4EAEA9q9h49LDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Martha Christensen, "Proprep Interiors" second to none.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 3:28 PM Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its time for fresh new look. Where does one go to get a good fitting rug
> kit these days. Is it better to have them made up at a upholstery shop.I
> was never happy the way my present rugs fit over the trans hump,
> Any thoughts.     BEAU
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 17:55:47 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:55:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Carpets
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I have Martha?s interior on my Alpine.  I would tend to agree.  However, Beau specifically referenced the trans cover - and I?ve never been completely thrilled with the trans cover - compared to the factory original one that was molded to fit exactly right.  The Tiger one is not has humped as the Alpine one.  So maybe Martha?s Tiger trans cover is great.  But the Alpine one was/is not.  It is good, not great.

On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:41 PM, Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com> wrote:

Martha Christensen, "Proprep Interiors" second to none.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 3:28 PM Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Its time for fresh new look. Where does one go to get a good fitting rug kit these days. Is it better to have them made up at a upholstery shop.I was never happy the way my present rugs fit over the trans hump, 
Any thoughts.     BEAU
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 19:44:47 2021
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 21:44:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event
In-Reply-To: <1364211477.4465208.1623078370114@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1364211477.4465208.1623078370114.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1364211477.4465208.1623078370114@mail.yahoo.com>
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That's great to hear you guys are getting a TAC event, For some unknown
reason the NE hasn't had one since 2014. Nobody seems to hear my requests
to become a TAC inspector either. It isn't as though we're not willing to
compensate, very frustrating indeed.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:06 AM Paul R Sheahan <sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net>
wrote:

> Announcing the next Florida TAC Event on July 10th beginning at 10am.
> This event will be in the Valrico/Tampa area.  If you are interested in
> having your car authenticated, please respond to me at
> sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net .
> Thanks,
>
> Paul R Sheahan
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jun 10 07:06:24 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:06:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine Survey
Message-ID: <000001d75df9$6b08aed0$411a0c70$@bluefrog.com>

I'm encouraged that some Tiger owners have requested and filled out the
Tiger Engine Survey but more participation is required to make this Study
valuable to the Tiger community.

 

Today there are 6 entries in the new Tiger Engine Survey spreadsheet.   I
hoped getting the Tiger Engine Study on the TEAE web site would attract
greater worldwide attention with greater participation.   

I have 150 entries in my Original Tiger Engine Study, gleaned over the years
from many sources including most importantly you, the Tiger owner.    Many
entries are obsolete and/or have incomplete information; I will not enter
obsolete information into this new Survey format just to fill it out.
Current, up to date information from Tiger owners is the only way to make
this Engine Study valuable to the Tiger Community.

 

Please note, you do not need to tear down your engine to fill out this
Survey.   Casting numbers and date codes that are easily visible are
sufficient.    You can always come back later to edit your Survey when you
find additional Tiger Engine Survey information.   Participation is the key
to the Survey's success.

 

The Tiger Engine Study is now listed on the TEAE website home page for
easier access and there are clearer instructions.

 

Go to teae.org - scroll down to find the Tiger Engine Study and click on it

Fill in your name and email - check yes - you will receive in your email a
link with the Survey Form - follow the instructions

 

Fill out the online Survey Form and Submit

 

If you run into any difficulties with this online format, please contact me.

 

Thank you for your participation

 

If you have questions about Tiger engines or some Ford engine parts, just
ask.

 

Ron Fraser

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From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  7 08:41:06 2021
From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 14:41:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
In-Reply-To: <002501d75b9d$f88d1e70$e9a75b50$@mayfco.com>
References: <007501d75b2b$4669d020$d33d7060$@suddenlink.net>
 <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>
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 From my 2016 post on this list. 
16 tooth gear is about $11.00 shipped on eBay.
David Franchi
-------------------------------------------
I thought I remembered buying the Tiger speedometer gears a long time ago so I went through my parts and found them, thought the list might be interested in pictures, and the info. I have written down for them, don't remember where I got the info.
 

Speedo Driving Gear Wheel Gear (on trans.)

MKI Rootes 6100261 / Ford B7C-17285-A replaced by D0TZ-17285-A (6 teeth)

MKII Rootes 6100710 / Ford C2OZ-17285-D replaced by C3OZ-17285-C (7 teeth)

---

Speedo Driving Pinion (on speedo cable)

MKI Rootes 6100504 15 teeth C3OA-17271-A replaced by C0DD-17271-A replaced by C0DZ-17271-A (16T) 

MKII Rootes 6100703 17 teeth C3DZ-17271-B

? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Speedometer-Gear-Burgundy-16-Tooth-Genuine-Ford-parts-NEW-C0DD-17271-A/324072600232


    On Monday, June 7, 2021, 6:07:17 AM PDT, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:  
 
 
So I logged on to Kee?s web site and checked the parts out. The speedo gear is 15 bucks, a keeper is 4.50 for just about 20 bucks. Then Just for chuckles I out those into a cart with my zip code. Shipping prices are bat sh*t.? 18 bucks for standard shipping, up to 96 bucks for hurry up. What I called a standard rate for shipping was 40 bucks.?? This pat weighs less than a standard envelope? Sure glad I have my OEM one. 

 ?

Speedo gears, on cars driven so little, are likely to last near forever.? ?Would ?it be worth making 15T ones to fit the 2.88: gear set with the small diameter size tires? Likely not.? As mentioned before, a + 1 tire size might be enough for the ratio ?discrepancy (6%), and that is probably good enough. 

 ?

I am good to go, ?

 ?

Mayf

TWFS

 ?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Donald Antilla
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:42 PM
To: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>; Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 15 tooth

 ?

David Kee toploaders has a 16 tooth gear. That might be ?Close enough for Government Work? as my dad used to say.

http://4speedtoploaders.com/store/speedometergears.html

 ?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:26 PM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth

 ?

Just had an idea, ?thought I would throw it out there in Tiger land.? Any reason someone that has a 3-D printer couldn?t make a 15 tooth speedometer gear for the Tiger??? Could sell a bunch??

?

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC insp. #58

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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun  7 10:01:47 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 12:01:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
In-Reply-To: <002501d75b9d$f88d1e70$e9a75b50$@mayfco.com>
References: <007501d75b2b$4669d020$d33d7060$@suddenlink.net>
 <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>
 <002501d75b9d$f88d1e70$e9a75b50$@mayfco.com>
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Before you guys go off in search of the "correct" 15-tooth gear, you should
consider other sources of error in your speed indication.  In stock form,
the Smiths-Jaeger speedo is pretty linear, but it has an indicating error
due to the fact that the indicating pointer is unbalanced.  This unbalance
causes the speedo to read low (because it's lifting the weight of the
pointer) for the first half of its rotation (0 - 70 MPH) and to read high
for the second half (downhill from 70 MPH).  I balanced my pointer by
coiling up a short length of solder and placing it in the base of the
pointer to counter the weight of the pointer.  Just a rough balance is
fine.  I then calibrated the speedo against GPS.  The calibration is done
by just twisting the needle.  The needle is spring-loaded against the stop
so the zero point stays fixed.   The speedo is now accurate to better that
1 MPH at up to 80 MPH.  That's with 185-70X13 tires and a 16-tooth gear.
Of course, the ultimate test of calibration is to check the odometer
calibration.  I haven't done that, but you don't get speeding tickets for
odometer errors.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 9:06 AM Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

> So I logged on to Kee?s web site and checked the parts out. The speedo
> gear is 15 bucks, a keeper is 4.50 for just about 20 bucks. Then Just for
> chuckles I out those into a cart with my zip code. Shipping prices are bat
> sh*t.  18 bucks for standard shipping, up to 96 bucks for hurry up. What I
> called a standard rate for shipping was 40 bucks.   This pat weighs less
> than a standard envelope? Sure glad I have my OEM one.
>
>
>
> Speedo gears, on cars driven so little, are likely to last near forever.
>  Would  it be worth making 15T ones to fit the 2.88: gear set with the
> small diameter size tires? Likely not.  As mentioned before, a + 1 tire
> size might be enough for the ratio  discrepancy (6%), and that is probably
> good enough.
>
>
>
> I am good to go, ?
>
>
>
> Mayf
>
> TWFS
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Donald
> Antilla
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:42 PM
> *To:* Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>; Tiger Autox <
> TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 15 tooth
>
>
>
> David Kee toploaders has a 16 tooth gear. That might be ?Close enough for
> Government Work? as my dad used to say.
>
> http://4speedtoploaders.com/store/speedometergears.html
>
>
>
> *From: *Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jerry
> Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
> *Date: *Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:26 PM
> *To: *Tiger Autox <TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> *Subject: *[Tigers] 15 tooth
>
>
>
> Just had an idea,  thought I would throw it out there in Tiger land.  Any
> reason someone that has a 3-D printer couldn?t make a 15 tooth speedometer
> gear for the Tiger??  Could sell a bunch??
>
>
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
> 9473187
>
> TAC insp. #58
>
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Wed Jun  9 07:04:10 2021
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 09:04:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Carpets
In-Reply-To: <FCFB9B57-BF8A-4626-8F6E-022B650DF634@gmail.com>
References: <CACQC2nXZzwZ_mT-pS6sMOnmFU9zj7azhpwh1eZct8vM9_y2zFw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <FCFB9B57-BF8A-4626-8F6E-022B650DF634@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68C1D57F-71EF-46B7-A17E-C228A19AD4A0@ix.netcom.com>

I believe mine came from Sunbeam Specialties about 14 years ago.

It fits my Tiger well and has held up well with many miles of top-down open road driving, rain or shine.

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:55 PM, Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have Martha?s interior on my Alpine.  I would tend to agree.  However, Beau specifically referenced the trans cover - and I?ve never been completely thrilled with the trans cover - compared to the factory original one that was molded to fit exactly right.  The Tiger one is not has humped as the Alpine one.  So maybe Martha?s Tiger trans cover is great.  But the Alpine one was/is not.  It is good, not great.
> 
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:41 PM, Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com <mailto:jefferyrandall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Martha Christensen, "Proprep Interiors" second to none.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 3:28 PM Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com <mailto:blance598 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Its time for fresh new look. Where does one go to get a good fitting rug kit these days. Is it better to have them made up at a upholstery shop.I was never happy the way my present rugs fit over the trans hump, 
> Any thoughts.     BEAU
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Jun 10 11:42:00 2021
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 13:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event
In-Reply-To: <CAGiVA4ZNaShS3Ttfc2dd1eRHW17eRwc+2AsV7hqnP6cn9mb0Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGiVA4ZNaShS3Ttfc2dd1eRHW17eRwc+2AsV7hqnP6cn9mb0Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0513AB11-F4DD-4D5E-9E7C-9B82D7C0814C@cox.net>

Jeffery

No inspectors in the Northeast and only senior inspector is in Washington DC area makes things difficult. That said, Had one last month in Towson, MD (9 cars...2 from NY and 1 from RI); Pitts burg Grand Prix 2019 (seven cars...2 from upstate NY); Long Island United 2018 and Virginia United 2017.

We are hoping to organize one this summer a little closer to NE and of course they will be doing TAC inspections at SUNI.

Jim Lindner

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 10, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That's great to hear you guys are getting a TAC event, For some unknown reason the NE hasn't had one since 2014. Nobody seems to hear my requests to become a TAC inspector either. It isn't as though we're not willing to compensate, very frustrating indeed.
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:06 AM Paul R Sheahan <sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net> wrote:
>> Announcing the next Florida TAC Event on July 10th beginning at 10am.  This event will be in the Valrico/Tampa area.  If you are interested in having your car authenticated, please respond to me at   sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net . 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Paul R Sheahan
>>      
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jun 10 11:57:20 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 13:57:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 15 tooth
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0hY1rdy+ecUTHkx5yWUj4zV3mwU6SQZPb6ro491EuX6ELQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007501d75b2b$4669d020$d33d7060$@suddenlink.net>
 <BF11665B-9C13-49E9-BC1C-998D3A446845@sbcglobal.net>
 <002501d75b9d$f88d1e70$e9a75b50$@mayfco.com>
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Message-ID: <002001d75e22$104a9020$30dfb060$@bluefrog.com>

The biggest factor with the speedometer accuracy, besides their age now, is tire circumference.

 

Looking just at the math for this from the speedometer to the tire using stock components.

 

MK I       980 rev/mi  speedometer ? 15 tooth gear is totally accurate with a tire circumference of 74.48?

                980 speedometer ? 16 tooth gear ? 69.82?

I have always been told that the 16 tooth works better with todays radial tire size.

 

MK II      1020 speedometer ? 17 tooth gear ? 73.67?

 

This is the sweet spot ? tires need to be slightly bigger so they wear through that circumference.

Change differential gears and it all changes again.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Will Seay
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: Tiger Autox <TIGERS at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 15 tooth

 

Before you guys go off in search of the "correct" 15-tooth gear, you should consider other sources of error in your speed indication.  In stock form, the Smiths-Jaeger speedo is pretty linear, but it has an indicating error due to the fact that the indicating pointer is unbalanced.  This unbalance causes the speedo to read low (because it's lifting the weight of the pointer) for the first half of its rotation (0 - 70 MPH) and to read high for the second half (downhill from 70 MPH).  I balanced my pointer by coiling up a short length of solder and placing it in the base of the pointer to counter the weight of the pointer.  Just a rough balance is fine.  I then calibrated the speedo against GPS.  The calibration is done by just twisting the needle.  The needle is spring-loaded against the stop so the zero point stays fixed.   The speedo is now accurate to better that 1 MPH at up to 80 MPH.  That's with 185-70X13 tires and a 16-tooth gear.  Of course, the ultimate test of calibration is to check the odometer calibration.  I haven't done that, but you don't get speeding tickets for odometer errors.

 

Will - 382001570 
Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com> 

 

 

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From deiland1 at att.net  Thu Jun 10 14:22:11 2021
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 20:22:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger-Need Car Transporter
References: <48511147.3265723.1623356531920.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48511147.3265723.1623356531920@mail.yahoo.com>

Was hoping I might get some input on who I might call to get a shipping quote to ship a car from Ashville, NC area to El Paso, TX. Anyone shipped a car recently?
Dan Eiland?X Tiger Owner

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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 17:27:44 2021
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 19:27:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event
In-Reply-To: <0513AB11-F4DD-4D5E-9E7C-9B82D7C0814C@cox.net>
References: <CAGiVA4ZNaShS3Ttfc2dd1eRHW17eRwc+2AsV7hqnP6cn9mb0Cg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for responding Jim, I will be going to the SUNI if all turns out as
hoped. I do have at least 2 folks that would like to be TACed and I'm sure
plenty more that would show if it happens. What is the deal with becoming
an inspector?  I have inquired in the past and not really gotten a straight
answer.
  Regards,
    Jeff

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:42 PM James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

> Jeffery
>
> No inspectors in the Northeast and only senior inspector is in Washington
> DC area makes things difficult. That said, Had one last month in Towson, MD
> (9 cars...2 from NY and 1 from RI); Pitts burg Grand Prix 2019 (seven
> cars...2 from upstate NY); Long Island United 2018 and Virginia United 2017.
>
> We are hoping to organize one this summer a little closer to NE and of
> course they will be doing TAC inspections at SUNI.
>
> Jim Lindner
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 10, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> That's great to hear you guys are getting a TAC event, For some unknown
> reason the NE hasn't had one since 2014. Nobody seems to hear my requests
> to become a TAC inspector either. It isn't as though we're not willing to
> compensate, very frustrating indeed.
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:06 AM Paul R Sheahan <sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Announcing the next Florida TAC Event on July 10th beginning at 10am.
>> This event will be in the Valrico/Tampa area.  If you are interested in
>> having your car authenticated, please respond to me at
>> sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net .
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul R Sheahan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From cbowland at msn.com  Sat Jun 12 13:07:23 2021
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 19:07:23 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer gears
Message-ID: <BN7PR07MB4660DC47321E8552944E763CDB339@BN7PR07MB4660.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi have not seen mention of the perfect solution to speedometer accuracy.

Several years ago I purchased a GPS speedometer from Jim Gislason. It has a stock appearing face and is always dead nuts.

I was motivated for something that compensated for rear end ratio(s), tire size(s) and as a bonus required no cable. I have checked against my wife's GPS and there is no deviation.

Just something else to consider.

Curt

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jun 12 13:47:46 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 15:47:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer gears
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR07MB4660DC47321E8552944E763CDB339@BN7PR07MB4660.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR07MB4660DC47321E8552944E763CDB339@BN7PR07MB4660.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Curt

                GPS speedometer is a very good solution today.

 

Do you have contact info for Jim Gislason for all who might be interested?

Pictures?

Other information?

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Curt Bowland via
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 3:07 PM
To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer gears

 

Hi have not seen mention of the perfect solution to speedometer accuracy. 

 

Several years ago I purchased a GPS speedometer from Jim Gislason. It has a
stock appearing face and is always dead nuts. 

 

I was motivated for something that compensated for rear end ratio(s), tire
size(s) and as a bonus required no cable. I have checked against my wife's
GPS and there is no deviation.

 

Just something else to consider.

 

Curt

 

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From jim at island.net  Sat Jun 12 13:54:50 2021
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 12:54:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer gears
In-Reply-To: <002201d75fc3$d1ca3370$755e9a50$@bluefrog.com>
References: <002201d75fc3$d1ca3370$755e9a50$@bluefrog.com>
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Pics are on CAT forum but need to update the pricing

https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/new-sunbeam-gauges.5059/

jim at island.net

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> On Jun 12, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Curt
>                 GPS speedometer is a very good solution today.
>  
> Do you have contact info for Jim Gislason for all who might be interested?
> Pictures?
> Other information?
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Curt Bowland via Tigers
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 3:07 PM
> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer gears
>  
> Hi have not seen mention of the perfect solution to speedometer accuracy. 
>  
> Several years ago I purchased a GPS speedometer from Jim Gislason. It has a stock appearing face and is always dead nuts. 
>  
> I was motivated for something that compensated for rear end ratio(s), tire size(s) and as a bonus required no cable. I have checked against my wife's GPS and there is no deviation.
>  
> Just something else to consider.
>  
> Curt
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Jun 14 15:24:03 2021
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:24:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
Message-ID: <012b01d76163$9a058ab0$ce10a010$@suddenlink.net>

Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers "5.0" are sold?

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

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From jim at island.net  Mon Jun 14 16:09:43 2021
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 15:09:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
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I cut some 1/8? plexiglass to fit the surround and had a local sign shop do mine...

Jim
B382000446



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> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers ?5.0? are sold?
>  
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
> TAC Insp. #58
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 17:52:53 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:52:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
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References: <012b01d76163$9a058ab0$ce10a010$@suddenlink.net>
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That's nice!? I wish someone had them available, my car needs them too.
Any idea how they made it?
Gary



On 6/14/2021 3:09 PM, Jim via Tigers wrote:
> I cut some 1/8? plexiglass to fit the surround and had a local sign 
> shop do mine...
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
>
> Sent from my ShoePhone
>
>
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Jerry Christopherson 
>> <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers ?5.0? are sold?
>>
>> Jerry Christopherson
>>
>> 9473187
>>
>> TAC Insp. #58
>>
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From jim at island.net  Mon Jun 14 18:56:38 2021
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 17:56:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
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References: <012b01d76163$9a058ab0$ce10a010$@suddenlink.net>
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IIRC, they sprayed the plexi light silver (metallic?) and then applied the black vinyl with the ?Powered by Ford? cut into it. Then added vinyl chrome 5 and 0 and a red square between. Then a clear vinyl to protect it all

Funny how the ?younger? crowd perk right up when they see that ? 5.0 ?. If I?d done ?306? instead, they probably wouldn?t  get it!!  lol

I have the ?Sunbeam V8? on the trunk

 

Jim

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 4:53 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5.0

 

That's nice!  I wish someone had them available, my car needs them too.
Any idea how they made it?
Gary




On 6/14/2021 3:09 PM, Jim via Tigers wrote:

I cut some 1/8? plexiglass to fit the surround and had a local sign shop do mine... 

 

Jim

B382000446

 



Sent from my ShoePhone 

 





On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Jerry Christopherson  <mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:

? 

Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers ?5.0? are sold?

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC Insp. #58

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 19:33:03 2021
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:33:03 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
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Jerry,

I believe the guys at the sunbeam spares company in the Uk have made the
correct font POWERED BY FORD 302 shield inserts.



On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 05:58, Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
wrote:

> Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers ?5.0? are sold?
>
>
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
> 9473187
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 20:38:42 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 19:38:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
In-Reply-To: <022d01d76181$4d08b250$e71a16f0$@island.net>
References: <012b01d76163$9a058ab0$ce10a010$@suddenlink.net>
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Thanks Jim.
Ha ha..? Back when I put the 5.0 in the Tiger in the 1990's, the 
'younger crowd' was impressed.? I remember newspaper articles about illegal
racing, and how it said "the 5.0L Mustang is THE choice of the teenage 
drag racers".? Those teenagers are now middle age, LOL.
Kids now don't even want to get their drivers license.
The 5.0L and T-5 does really turn the Tiger into a super car!
Gary


On 6/14/2021 5:56 PM, jim wrote:
>
> IIRC, they sprayed the plexi light silver (metallic?) and then applied 
> the black vinyl with the ?Powered by Ford? cut into it. Then added 
> vinyl chrome 5 and 0 and a red square between. Then a clear vinyl to 
> protect it all
>
> Funny how the ?younger? crowd perk right up when they see that ? 5.0 
> ?. If I?d done ?306? instead, they probably wouldn?t ?get it!!? lol
>
> I have the ?Sunbeam V8? on the trunk
>
> Jim
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Gary
> *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 4:53 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 5.0
>
> That's nice! I wish someone had them available, my car needs them too.
> Any idea how they made it?
> Gary
>
>
> On 6/14/2021 3:09 PM, Jim via Tigers wrote:
>
>     I cut some 1/8? plexiglass to fit the surround and had a local
>     sign shop do mine...
>
>     Jim
>
>     B382000446
>
>     Sent from my ShoePhone
>
>
>
>         On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Jerry Christopherson
>         <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> <mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>         ?
>
>         Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers ?5.0? are
>         sold?
>
>         Jerry Christopherson
>
>         9473187
>
>         TAC Insp. #58
>
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jun 14 20:54:30 2021
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 22:54:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
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Also the digits should have a ?3D? effect if one wants to parallel the appearance of the factory 260 badges.

Here?s a 302 badge that?s been on a shelf since forever, next to a factory 260 badge. 

The font (see the E) and appearance of the displacement are different.

I?ve forgotten the technique used to chrome the 260 badges but perhaps it?s ?flash chrome??

Allan Ballard
-Mk1a




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> On Jun 14, 2021, at 9:33 PM, michael king via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> I believe the guys at the sunbeam spares company in the Uk have made the correct font POWERED BY FORD 302 shield inserts.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 05:58, Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>> Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers ?5.0? are sold?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jerry Christopherson
>> 
>> 9473187
>> 
>> TAC Insp. #58
>> 
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Jun 14 21:22:43 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:22:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
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References: <012b01d76163$9a058ab0$ce10a010$@suddenlink.net>
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And, to continue that theme the Internet tells me the last 5.0 (the 
original one) was manufactured in 1995. That is 26 years ago! Both the 
5.0 and the original New World T-5 (prior to 1994 when the input shaft 
changed) are getting very rare at places like Pick Your Part. The Tiger 
update is not that "UP" anymore. But with the engine bay size there are 
no other choices. I "updated" my Pinto with a Turbo Coupe engine and T-5 
(15 years newer than the car itself). And today the those components are 
33 years old!

On 6/14/2021 7:38 PM, Gary wrote:
> Thanks Jim.
> Ha ha..? Back when I put the 5.0 in the Tiger in the 1990's, the 
> 'younger crowd' was impressed.? I remember newspaper articles about 
> illegal
> racing, and how it said "the 5.0L Mustang is THE choice of the teenage 
> drag racers".? Those teenagers are now middle age, LOL.
> Kids now don't even want to get their drivers license.
> The 5.0L and T-5 does really turn the Tiger into a super car!
> Gary
>
>
> On 6/14/2021 5:56 PM, jim wrote:
>>
>> IIRC, they sprayed the plexi light silver (metallic?) and then 
>> applied the black vinyl with the ?Powered by Ford? cut into it. Then 
>> added vinyl chrome 5 and 0 and a red square between. Then a clear 
>> vinyl to protect it all
>>
>> Funny how the ?younger? crowd perk right up when they see that ? 5.0 
>> ?. If I?d done ?306? instead, they probably wouldn?t ?get it!!? lol
>>
>> I have the ?Sunbeam V8? on the trunk
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Gary
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 4:53 PM
>> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 5.0
>>
>> That's nice!? I wish someone had them available, my car needs them too.
>> Any idea how they made it?
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2021 3:09 PM, Jim via Tigers wrote:
>>
>>     I cut some 1/8? plexiglass to fit the surround and had a local
>>     sign shop do mine...
>>
>>     Jim
>>
>>     B382000446
>>
>>     Sent from my ShoePhone
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Jerry Christopherson
>>         <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> <mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>         ?
>>
>>         Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers ?5.0? are
>>         sold?
>>
>>         Jerry Christopherson
>>
>>         9473187
>>
>>         TAC Insp. #58
>>
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>>
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 21:39:39 2021
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:39:39 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] 5.0
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Yes Allan,

They wer flash chromed,

The new UK ones use a correct font and are reverse engraved.

https://sunbeamalpinetigerspares.co.uk/brightwork/motif-badge-sunbeam-302-tiger

[image: 020s302-600x500.jpg]



On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 10:54, Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Also the digits should have a ?3D? effect if one wants to parallel the
> appearance of the factory 260 badges.
>
> Here?s a 302 badge that?s been on a shelf since forever, next to a factory
> 260 badge.
>
> The font (see the E) and appearance of the displacement are different.
>
> I?ve forgotten the technique used to chrome the 260 badges but perhaps
> it?s ?flash chrome??
>
> Allan Ballard
> -Mk1a
>
>
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2021, at 9:33 PM, michael king via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> I believe the guys at the sunbeam spares company in the Uk have made the
> correct font POWERED BY FORD 302 shield inserts.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 05:58, Jerry Christopherson <
> JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Anybody know where the side badges with the numbers ?5.0? are sold?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry Christopherson
>>
>> 9473187
>>
>> TAC Insp. #58
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From rollright at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 15:40:49 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:40:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Re-stringing the canvas web on the top frame
References: <1374545578.262993.1623793249994.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1374545578.262993.1623793249994@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

?Some 6 or more years ago, I went on a mission to find exact replacement cotton webbing to re-string (?)my convertible top frame. A note here; earlier Alpines and I suspect Tiger Mk 1s had three rows of this material going from the front windshield header to the center bow to the rear bow. My Mk 1A. has only a center strip of this material. I saved the steel pieces which the cotton is wrapped around, buy didn't take any pictures of the?"Dress" of the cotton webbing.?? ? Does anyone know where there are pictures of the "dress"?? Its kind of over, under, around and through.?Comments please??Best regards to all,?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Jun 15 16:26:49 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:26:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Re-stringing the canvas web on the top frame
In-Reply-To: <1374545578.262993.1623793249994@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1374545578.262993.1623793249994@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EFCC7675-76C1-492D-90F2-F8C03C4C6ED5@comcast.net>

The original material was rubberized,
grey in my mk1.  I found the exact material 
except in tan.  Do not do what I did.  It
became just like the hardened cracked
original junk within a couple seasons.
The better modern replacement is seat belt 
material.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:13 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello all,
> 
>  
> Some 6 or more years ago, I went on a mission to find exact replacement cotton webbing to re-string (?)
> my convertible top frame. A note here; earlier Alpines and I suspect Tiger Mk 1s had three rows of this material going from the front windshield header to the center bow to the rear bow. My Mk 1A. has only a center strip of this material. I saved the steel pieces which the cotton is wrapped around, buy didn't take any pictures of the 
> "Dress" of the cotton webbing. 
>     Does anyone know where there are pictures of the "dress"?  Its kind of over, under, around and through.
>  
> Comments please?
>  
> Best regards to all,
>  
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 17:53:53 2021
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:53:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Re-stringing the canvas web on the top frame
In-Reply-To: <EFCC7675-76C1-492D-90F2-F8C03C4C6ED5@comcast.net>
References: <1374545578.262993.1623793249994@mail.yahoo.com>
 <EFCC7675-76C1-492D-90F2-F8C03C4C6ED5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3E4EF67C-84E7-4D09-95CC-C2A98060C830@yahoo.com>

Jim,

Here are 2 pics from an old MKI top I have with the three ?stringers? Just to reference the metal holding the strips on. They look to me to be tan color with gray rubberized coating which is almost gone now. As a matter of fact, it almost looks like the coating on the straps wasn?t on the entire strap (?) The sort of half pipe piece is in the center bow and the flat one at the back. A far as I can tell, the strip was half-wrapped around the rear bow.

Jim B.



> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> The original material was rubberized,
> grey in my mk1.  I found the exact material 
> except in tan.  Do not do what I did.  It
> became just like the hardened cracked
> original junk within a couple seasons.
> The better modern replacement is seat belt 
> material.
> Gary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:13 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>  
>> Some 6 or more years ago, I went on a mission to find exact replacement cotton webbing to re-string (?)
>> my convertible top frame. A note here; earlier Alpines and I suspect Tiger Mk 1s had three rows of this material going from the front windshield header to the center bow to the rear bow. My Mk 1A. has only a center strip of this material. I saved the steel pieces which the cotton is wrapped around, buy didn't take any pictures of the 
>> "Dress" of the cotton webbing. 
>>     Does anyone know where there are pictures of the "dress"?  Its kind of over, under, around and through.
>>  
>> Comments please?
>>  
>> Best regards to all,
>>  
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC # 0763
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Jun 15 19:26:47 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:26:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Re-stringing the canvas web on the top frame
In-Reply-To: <3E4EF67C-84E7-4D09-95CC-C2A98060C830@yahoo.com>
References: <3E4EF67C-84E7-4D09-95CC-C2A98060C830@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEBEA984-135A-4CE8-93A1-366A29F0FA13@comcast.net>

Jim B.,
Yes, I remember now.  Not coated in the back,
photo looks just like mine when I restored 
it in 1992.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:35 PM, Jim B via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Jim,
> 
> Here are 2 pics from an old MKI top I have with the three ?stringers? Just to reference the metal holding the strips on. They look to me to be tan color with gray rubberized coating which is almost gone now. As a matter of fact, it almost looks like the coating on the straps wasn?t on the entire strap (?) The sort of half pipe piece is in the center bow and the flat one at the back. A far as I can tell, the strip was half-wrapped around the rear bow.
> 
> Jim B.
> 
> <soft top 1.jpg>
> <soft top 2.jpg>
> 
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> The original material was rubberized,
>> grey in my mk1.  I found the exact material 
>> except in tan.  Do not do what I did.  It
>> became just like the hardened cracked
>> original junk within a couple seasons.
>> The better modern replacement is seat belt 
>> material.
>> Gary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:13 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Some 6 or more years ago, I went on a mission to find exact replacement cotton webbing to re-string (?)
>>> my convertible top frame. A note here; earlier Alpines and I suspect Tiger Mk 1s had three rows of this material going from the front windshield header to the center bow to the rear bow. My Mk 1A. has only a center strip of this material. I saved the steel pieces which the cotton is wrapped around, buy didn't take any pictures of the 
>>> "Dress" of the cotton webbing. 
>>>     Does anyone know where there are pictures of the "dress"?  Its kind of over, under, around and through.
>>>  
>>> Comments please?
>>>  
>>> Best regards to all,
>>>  
>>> Jim Armstrong
>>> Mk 1A
>>> 382002083 LRXFE
>>> Code 86
>>> TAC # 0763
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>> 
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From rollright at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 09:12:41 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 15:12:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Re-stringing the canvas web on the top frame
In-Reply-To: <EFCC7675-76C1-492D-90F2-F8C03C4C6ED5@comcast.net>
References: <1374545578.262993.1623793249994@mail.yahoo.com>
 <EFCC7675-76C1-492D-90F2-F8C03C4C6ED5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <626521942.397987.1623856361346@mail.yahoo.com>

the material I have is just the same as original without the "rubber", so no issue.?Thanks for the warning!?Jim Armstrong?In a message dated 6/15/2021 6:26:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad at comcast.net writes:?
The original material was rubberized,grey in my mk1. ?I found the exact material?except in tan. ?Do not do what I did. ?Itbecame just like the hardened crackedoriginal junk within a couple seasons.The better modern replacement is seat belt?material.Gary

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:13 PM, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Hello all,

?Some 6 or more years ago, I went on a mission to find exact replacement cotton webbing to re-string (?)my convertible top frame. A note here; earlier Alpines and I suspect Tiger Mk 1s had three rows of this material going from the front windshield header to the center bow to the rear bow. My Mk 1A. has only a center strip of this material. I saved the steel pieces which the cotton is wrapped around, buy didn't take any pictures of the?"Dress" of the cotton webbing.?? ? Does anyone know where there are pictures of the "dress"?? Its kind of over, under, around and through.?Comments please??Best regards to all,?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763_______________________________________________

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From rollright at aol.com  Thu Jun 17 15:00:05 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 21:00:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Big British Car Day in Boston
References: <719814866.714168.1623963605747.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <719814866.714168.1623963605747@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

?For my fellow New Englanders and perhaps brave souls from farther afield;?The annual British Car Day at the Lars Anderson Auto Museum in Brookline MA (next to Boston) is scheduled for?Sunday July 11, from 10 - 2?We usually stake out much earlier in the morning a major plot under some Maple trees for a nice shady spot.Massachusetts is now C-19 vaccinated and so is mask free.?Search under? ' Lars Anderson Auto Museum lawn events ' for further details. MANY Tigers and Alpines show up. All good people !?See you there!
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 13:58:25 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Red Rubber Grease
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm rebuilding my brake calipers and some old posts say to use red rubber
grease on the rubber parts.  This stuff seems to be impossible to find
locally and it looks like it would take a couple of weeks to get it if I
order it from Amazon or somebody.

I would like to just use something from the local auto parts store. What
are you guys using these days?

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 14:31:56 2021
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:31:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+DpG64faOdCTNPDY+-vstRV8FJbLmuuQEwDabdVeowNdbpZqw@mail.gmail.com>

I used a tube of silicon based grease (Sil-Glyde compound from American
Grease Stick company) for years  until I scored a tube of the red rubber
grease,.  I got the silicon stuff way back, before there was an internet.
Never saw any deterioration of the rubber bits or anything.

Stu

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 3:59 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm rebuilding my brake calipers and some old posts say to use red rubber
> grease on the rubber parts.  This stuff seems to be impossible to find
> locally and it looks like it would take a couple of weeks to get it if I
> order it from Amazon or somebody.
>
> I would like to just use something from the local auto parts store. What
> are you guys using these days?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
> _______________________________________________
>
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From modtiger at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 14:50:19 2021
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:50:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b321c46-81ab-6217-2ee7-516e4c34cb21@comcast.net>

On 6/22/2021 12:58 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm rebuilding my brake calipers and some old posts say to use red 
> rubber grease on the rubber parts.? This stuff seems to be impossible 
> to find locally and it looks like it would take a couple of weeks to 
> get it if I order it from Amazon or somebody.
>
> I would like to just use something from the local auto parts store. 
> What are you guys using these days?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Good stuff.? Use it for brake and hose assembly.

-- 
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ModTiger Engineering LLC
5712 San Luis Court
Pleasanton, CA 94566
(925)462-3876
modtiger at comcast.net
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From coolvt at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 15:03:54 2021
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 21:03:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
References: <1048595055.3677952.1624395834130.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1048595055.3677952.1624395834130@mail.yahoo.com>

Tom, I put a 5 speed in my car a few yrs. back. The stock speedo cable is too long and it gets forced into a fairly tight bend to make work. I've ruined 2 cables because of the sharp bend.

I'm thinking a shorter cable should be used. Do you normally use a short one, and if so, do you have a source and part number?Thanks in advanceMark Lafayette
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 17:07:19 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <5b321c46-81ab-6217-2ee7-516e4c34cb21@comcast.net>
References: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5b321c46-81ab-6217-2ee7-516e4c34cb21@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <da14eba0-4ffb-c5ca-7df2-8452c85d4fd9@comcast.net>


Available from Amazon in as little as 2 days:

https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Oils-5196TB-Rubber-grease/dp/B00JFF4VF6

Don't you guys get Amazon deliveries every day like we do?
Gary


On 6/22/2021 1:50 PM, Tom Hall wrote:
> On 6/22/2021 12:58 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm rebuilding my brake calipers and some old posts say to use red 
>> rubber grease on the rubber parts.? This stuff seems to be impossible 
>> to find locally and it looks like it would take a couple of weeks to 
>> get it if I order it from Amazon or somebody.
>>
>> I would like to just use something from the local auto parts store. 
>> What are you guys using these days?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Brown
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>
> Good stuff.? Use it for brake and hose assembly.
>
> -- 
> Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering LLC
> 5712 San Luis Court
> Pleasanton, CA 94566
> (925)462-3876
> modtiger at comcast.net
> http://tigerengineering.net/  
>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 17:12:32 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <da14eba0-4ffb-c5ca-7df2-8452c85d4fd9@comcast.net>
References: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5b321c46-81ab-6217-2ee7-516e4c34cb21@comcast.net>
 <da14eba0-4ffb-c5ca-7df2-8452c85d4fd9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnaP7JZzk84N5XZy_u_dhK=b8RLXzjiTVJdiF=fZdZqVw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm out in the hill country in Texas and packages seem to get stuck in the
UPS and FedEx distribution centers. They rely on contractors to deliver
stuff in the boondocks. USPS is just as bad.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 6:08 PM Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Available from Amazon in as little as 2 days:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Oils-5196TB-Rubber-grease/dp/B00JFF4VF6
>
> Don't you guys get Amazon deliveries every day like we do?
> Gary
>
>
> On 6/22/2021 1:50 PM, Tom Hall wrote:
>
> On 6/22/2021 12:58 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm rebuilding my brake calipers and some old posts say to use red rubber
> grease on the rubber parts.  This stuff seems to be impossible to find
> locally and it looks like it would take a couple of weeks to get it if I
> order it from Amazon or somebody.
>
> I would like to just use something from the local auto parts store. What
> are you guys using these days?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
> _______________________________________________
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/modtiger at comcast.net
>
>  Good stuff.  Use it for brake and hose assembly.
>
> --
> Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering LLC
> 5712 San Luis Court
> Pleasanton, CA 94566
> (925)462-3876modtiger at comcast.nethttp://tigerengineering.net/
>
>
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 17:23:36 2021
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 19:23:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfnaP7JZzk84N5XZy_u_dhK=b8RLXzjiTVJdiF=fZdZqVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5b321c46-81ab-6217-2ee7-516e4c34cb21@comcast.net>
 <da14eba0-4ffb-c5ca-7df2-8452c85d4fd9@comcast.net>
 <CAKb_wfnaP7JZzk84N5XZy_u_dhK=b8RLXzjiTVJdiF=fZdZqVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGiVA4Z+RxNmO0=oKi2z=2zX5103E7XNQX3CSrHYOoinpxwddA@mail.gmail.com>

Sil-Glyde is what I use, bought at the parts store maybe 6 or 7 years ago
when I was having problems with caliper pistons sticking. Coat the seals
and bores with a light coat with your finger, been working great so far.
  Jeff

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 7:16 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm out in the hill country in Texas and packages seem to get stuck in the
> UPS and FedEx distribution centers. They rely on contractors to deliver
> stuff in the boondocks. USPS is just as bad.
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 6:08 PM Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Available from Amazon in as little as 2 days:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Oils-5196TB-Rubber-grease/dp/B00JFF4VF6
>>
>> Don't you guys get Amazon deliveries every day like we do?
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On 6/22/2021 1:50 PM, Tom Hall wrote:
>>
>> On 6/22/2021 12:58 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm rebuilding my brake calipers and some old posts say to use red rubber
>> grease on the rubber parts.  This stuff seems to be impossible to find
>> locally and it looks like it would take a couple of weeks to get it if I
>> order it from Amazon or somebody.
>>
>> I would like to just use something from the local auto parts store. What
>> are you guys using these days?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Brown
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/modtiger at comcast.net
>>
>>  Good stuff.  Use it for brake and hose assembly.
>>
>> --
>> Tom Hall
>> ModTiger Engineering LLC
>> 5712 San Luis Court
>> Pleasanton, CA 94566
>> (925)462-3876modtiger at comcast.nethttp://tigerengineering.net/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 18:14:36 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 19:14:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <CAGiVA4Z+RxNmO0=oKi2z=2zX5103E7XNQX3CSrHYOoinpxwddA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5b321c46-81ab-6217-2ee7-516e4c34cb21@comcast.net>
 <da14eba0-4ffb-c5ca-7df2-8452c85d4fd9@comcast.net>
 <CAKb_wfnaP7JZzk84N5XZy_u_dhK=b8RLXzjiTVJdiF=fZdZqVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKb_wf=+yqKoW=cWmpesdcf=NDQtsKF-X9jLY=mBhLQPZHGcLw@mail.gmail.com>

Several people have suggested the sil-glyde, so I went to AutoZone and got
a couple of little packs of that.

Thanks for all of the replies.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 6:23 PM Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sil-Glyde is what I use, bought at the parts store maybe 6 or 7 years ago
> when I was having problems with caliper pistons sticking. Coat the seals
> and bores with a light coat with your finger, been working great so far.
>   Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 7:16 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm out in the hill country in Texas and packages seem to get stuck in
>> the UPS and FedEx distribution centers. They rely on contractors to deliver
>> stuff in the boondocks. USPS is just as bad.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 6:08 PM Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Available from Amazon in as little as 2 days:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Oils-5196TB-Rubber-grease/dp/B00JFF4VF6
>>>
>>> Don't you guys get Amazon deliveries every day like we do?
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/22/2021 1:50 PM, Tom Hall wrote:
>>>
>>> On 6/22/2021 12:58 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm rebuilding my brake calipers and some old posts say to use red
>>> rubber grease on the rubber parts.  This stuff seems to be impossible to
>>> find locally and it looks like it would take a couple of weeks to get it if
>>> I order it from Amazon or somebody.
>>>
>>> I would like to just use something from the local auto parts store. What
>>> are you guys using these days?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe Brown
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/modtiger at comcast.net
>>>
>>>  Good stuff.  Use it for brake and hose assembly.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Hall
>>> ModTiger Engineering LLC
>>> 5712 San Luis Court
>>> Pleasanton, CA 94566
>>> (925)462-3876modtiger at comcast.nethttp://tigerengineering.net/
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>>
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From dan_doornbos at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 21:23:44 2021
From: dan_doornbos at hotmail.com (daniel doornbos)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 03:23:44 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch/Brake Pedal ratio
Message-ID: <CY4PR18MB14963CC8811E969793A45FD8FD089@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

I've got my car back from bodywork and time to sort the remaining mechanicals.  Steering linkage in progress for the Mike H FE conversion.  I have disc brakes on all corners (new floating Ford 8.8 in the rear) and planning to go with a 15/16 dual Controller (master) cylinder.  For the clutch planning to put in a servant hydraulic throughout bearing, any recommendations? lots of initial reading points to the Tilton.  This is going on a T5.  And to go with that a new 3/4 in Controller cylinder.

Based on reading these systems recommend a 6:1 pedal ratio, the stock tiger is 4:1.  Has anyone out there drilled their pedals for 6:1 ratio vs the stock 4:1 ratio?  Just curious as I don't recall seeing it come up.  Drilling the pedals looks straightforward.  Might have to do some fabrication to get the new controller hydraulics mounted higher for actuation alignment.  Has anyone else done this?  Any learnings to share?

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 09:25:14 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 08:25:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch/Brake Pedal ratio
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR18MB14963CC8811E969793A45FD8FD089@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR18MB14963CC8811E969793A45FD8FD089@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <d35c662d-4e8f-0724-de84-ecbb8ced8577@comcast.net>


Found on the CAT forum from a few years ago:

*Brake Pedal Ratios*

The OEM Tiger/Alpine brake/clutch pedals have a mechanical ratio of 
approximately 4.4:1. I've been making kits for quite a while that 
modifies this ratio to 6:1, which is pretty much the standard 
aftermarket ratio. This gives you an advantage of about 1.36 over the 
OEM Pedal. This is almost as much as the vacuum booster gives you.

I also make this kit for several master cylinders from the OEM Girling 
to "new" Dual Masters from 13/16 to 1" diameter. Using a 13/16 diameter 
also increases your hydraulic ratio. The kits are complete, but you must 
send me a Tiger brake pedal (Alpines have a different bend) and the 
Pivot assembly. I can bend an Alpine pedal to near Tiger specs, but not 
"perfect". The process is reversible with the exception of the Pivot 
which I modify. I typically make several a year for Dale's customers.

I have also run my 6:1 kit with a booster and autocross pads, but be 
sure your seatbelt is fastened.

modtiger at comcast.net <mailto:modtiger at comcast.net> for further info.

ALSO:
from a post a few weeks ago, Tom now recommends the Tilton slave 
throwout bearing..
Gary





On 6/22/2021 8:23 PM, daniel doornbos via Tigers wrote:
> I've got my car back from bodywork and time to sort the remaining 
> mechanicals. Steering linkage in progress for the Mike H FE 
> conversion.? I have disc brakes on all corners (new floating Ford 8.8 
> in the rear) and planning to go with a 15/16 dual Controller (master) 
> cylinder. For the clutch planning to put in a servant hydraulic 
> throughout bearing, any recommendations? lots of initial reading 
> points to the Tilton.? This is going on a T5.? And to go with that a 
> new 3/4 in Controller cylinder.
>
> Based on reading these systems recommend a 6:1 pedal ratio, the stock 
> tiger is 4:1.? Has anyone out there drilled their pedals for 6:1 ratio 
> vs the stock 4:1 ratio? Just curious as I don't recall seeing it come 
> up. Drilling the pedals looks straightforward.? Might have to do some 
> fabrication to get the new controller hydraulics mounted higher for 
> actuation alignment.? Has anyone else done this?? Any learnings to share?
>
> thanks
> dan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 18:48:20 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 00:48:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <da14eba0-4ffb-c5ca-7df2-8452c85d4fd9@comcast.net>
References: <CAKb_wfmSfLV2LqeWmy2zsYxUkg7aWyGsr+RWO6rdfyy1Tqx=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5b321c46-81ab-6217-2ee7-516e4c34cb21@comcast.net>
 <da14eba0-4ffb-c5ca-7df2-8452c85d4fd9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1311445394.1621025.1624409300728@mail.yahoo.com>

Worth waiting for and will last a loooong time :)

Sent from the all new AOL app for Android 
 
  On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 4:08 PM, Gary<garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:   _______________________________________________

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From cbowland at msn.com  Thu Jun 24 12:06:59 2021
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 18:06:59 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Question on Carpeting
Message-ID: <BN7PR07MB46607AAC0E0D758AF912C5DCDB079@BN7PR07MB4660.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Curious to know if anyone has purchased and installed one of Sunbeam Specialties UK78T carpet kits within the last year ? Would appreciate your comments. If you would be more comfortable feel free to contact me off site.

Thank you.

Curt Bowland
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 14:38:22 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:38:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This
actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.

Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock
up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.  In
fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder
frees up the brakes.

I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt
the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I disconnected the
brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds
back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of
it.  That all seems to work okay.

So, I'm looking for other ideas.

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 24 14:42:50 2021
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 16:42:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>

I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. 
I changed them and the problem was resolved. 

From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hey,
> 
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> 
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.
> 
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> 
> So, I'm looking for other ideas.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
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> 


From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 14:45:27 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:45:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last week.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible
> hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside.
> I changed them and the problem was resolved.
>
> From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
> Or 203-264-8301 home
>
> > On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hey,
> >
> > I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This
> actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> >
> > Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes
> lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free
> up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master
> cylinder frees up the brakes.
> >
> > I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and
> rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I
> disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line
> on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed
> any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> >
> > So, I'm looking for other ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe Brown
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > tigers at autox.team.net
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 14:48:20 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:48:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
 <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfkAWT_r4ya4Oa4VJhMcmAJwj3xWtgZgbnL4_nX2QB4+6w@mail.gmail.com>

I should clarify.  I had the brake locking problem before I replaced or
rebuilt everything.  And I still have the same problem.  Could it be
something with the master cylinder?

Thanks,
Joe

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last
> week.
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible
>> hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside.
>> I changed them and the problem was resolved.
>>
>> From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
>> Or 203-264-8301 home
>>
>> > On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This
>> actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
>> >
>> > Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes
>> lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free
>> up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master
>> cylinder frees up the brakes.
>> >
>> > I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and
>> rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I
>> disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line
>> on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed
>> any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
>> >
>> > So, I'm looking for other ideas.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Joe Brown
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> > tigers at autox.team.net
>> >
>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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From coolvt at aol.com  Thu Jun 24 15:00:19 2021
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:00:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1467620536.4491857.1624568419267@mail.yahoo.com>

If cracking a line anywhere up to the MC releases the brakes, sounds like the problem is in the MC.? Kit to rebuild is cheap.? Also, on a long shot be sure the brake pedal is returning to it's original spot.? Sounds like something is binding either in the MC or the pedal.

In a message dated 6/24/2021 4:39:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?Hey,?I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.? This actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.?Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).? If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.? In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.?I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.? This seems to leave the master cylinder.? I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.? That all seems to work okay.?So, I'm looking for other ideas.???Thanks,Joe Brown?_______________________________________________

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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 24 15:57:26 2021
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 17:57:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfkAWT_r4ya4Oa4VJhMcmAJwj3xWtgZgbnL4_nX2QB4+6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
 <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C5AB1063-6407-468F-965A-B4086EE180E8@sbcglobal.net>

Joe: My observation and possible root cause is still valid, even considering you have the problem beforehand.

A flex line that is deteriorating from the inside produces the symptom you described. 

When a line is obstructed, the high hydraulic pressure from the master cylinder will force its way down into the calipers.

However, ...when you get off the brakes there is very little back pressure up into the master cylinder if the line is obstructed.

I suggest you look at your flexible brake lines.

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,

Don

 

From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:48 PM
To: Don Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Tigers Den <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue

 

I should clarify.  I had the brake locking problem before I replaced or rebuilt everything.  And I still have the same problem.  Could it be something with the master cylinder?

 

Thanks,

Joe

 

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last week.

 

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. 
I changed them and the problem was resolved. 

>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hey,
> 
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> 
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.
> 
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> 
> So, I'm looking for other ideas.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 24 16:00:58 2021
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 18:00:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
 <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45C17105-A07A-421A-AB6E-BC87C0FAE7C5@sbcglobal.net>

OK- just saw this note. If you have replaced your flex hoses, then it is probably back to looking at your master cylinder.

Please be aware that most master cylinders have an internal ?hold off? check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep the seals in drum brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do not have that type of master cylinder if you have disc brakes.

 

 

From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM
To: Don Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Tigers Den <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue

 

I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last week.

 

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. 
I changed them and the problem was resolved. 

>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hey,
> 
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> 
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.
> 
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> 
> So, I'm looking for other ideas.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jun 24 18:08:01 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 20:08:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  Brake Issue
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
 <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <45C17105-A07A-421A-AB6E-BC87C0FAE7C5@sbcglobal.net> 
Message-ID: <002b01d76956$2a520040$7ef600c0$@bluefrog.com>

Darn I forgot to make sure this went to the Tiger List too.

My bad

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:06 PM
To: 'Donald Antilla' <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>; 'Joe Brown' <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Brake Issue

 

Joe

                A long time ago I had a similar problem.    I finally found that the spring inside the MC was worn and lost some of its spring force thus the internal brake parts were not moving correctly.   I located a new spring and rebuilt the MC.   

 

Right now, if you pull up on the brake pedal, will the brakes release?

 

I think I also bought new springs for the pedals because I thought they were on the weak side.

 

Do you remember when the last time the MC was rebuilt?   Seems like you might need to now and be sure to inspect all the MC internal parts.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Donald Antilla via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 6:01 PM
To: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> >
Cc: Tigers Den <Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue

 

OK- just saw this note. If you have replaced your flex hoses, then it is probably back to looking at your master cylinder.

Please be aware that most master cylinders have an internal ?hold off? check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep the seals in drum brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do not have that type of master cylinder if you have disc brakes.

 

 

From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com <mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> >
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM
To: Don Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:fast427 at sbcglobal.net> >
Cc: Tigers Den <Tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue

 

I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last week.

 

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:fast427 at sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. 
I changed them and the problem was resolved. 

>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hey,
> 
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> 
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.
> 
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> 
> So, I'm looking for other ideas.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 18:24:58 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:24:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <002b01d76956$2a520040$7ef600c0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
 <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <45C17105-A07A-421A-AB6E-BC87C0FAE7C5@sbcglobal.net>
 <002b01d76956$2a520040$7ef600c0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnjndabEqr1OC-uOuNTTOQzsAskvNbKDmr9wUrJXjLS+A@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I'm ashamed to admit that I cheaped out and bought my master cylinder
from a cheap source a couple of years ago and I'm just now trying to use
it. The brake pedal comes back up and everything feels good.  But somebody
mentioned it might have a check valve.

I'll rip it apart tomorrow and see if I can figure it out. I'll probably be
ordering a new one from Sunbeam Specialties to make sure I get a good one.

Thanks for all of the responses.

Joe

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 7:09 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Darn I forgot to make sure this went to the Tiger List too.
>
> My bad
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:06 PM
> *To:* 'Donald Antilla' <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>; 'Joe Brown' <
> jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>                 A long time ago I had a similar problem.    I finally
> found that the spring inside the MC was worn and lost some of its spring
> force thus the internal brake parts were not moving correctly.   I located
> a new spring and rebuilt the MC.
>
>
>
> Right now, if you pull up on the brake pedal, will the brakes release?
>
>
>
> I think I also bought new springs for the pedals because I thought they
> were on the weak side.
>
>
>
> Do you remember when the last time the MC was rebuilt?   Seems like you
> might need to now and be sure to inspect all the MC internal parts.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Donald
> Antilla via Tigers
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 6:01 PM
> *To:* Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Tigers Den <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
> OK- just saw this note. If you have replaced your flex hoses, then it is
> probably back to looking at your master cylinder.
>
> Please be aware that most master cylinders have an internal ?hold off?
> check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep the seals in drum
> brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do not have that type of
> master cylinder if you have disc brakes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM
> *To: *Don Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>
> *Cc: *Tigers Den <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
> I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last
> week.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible
> hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside.
> I changed them and the problem was resolved.
>
> From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
> Or 203-264-8301 home
>
> > On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hey,
> >
> > I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This
> actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> >
> > Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes
> lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free
> up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master
> cylinder frees up the brakes.
> >
> > I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and
> rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I
> disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line
> on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed
> any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
> >
> > So, I'm looking for other ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe Brown
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > tigers at autox.team.net
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
> >
> > Unsubscribe:
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> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jun 25 07:08:23 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 09:08:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Distributor curves FYI
Message-ID: <000f01d769c3$2e2fe930$8a8fbb90$@bluefrog.com>

The C40F-A distributor was replace by the Z5TF-C distributor - I believe the
Z5TF-C ID# is Tiger engine specific.

 

I have always guessed that the advance curves for these distributors were
similar.

I even asked Bob Mannel his thoughts and he stated the 2 distributors should
have similar advance curves.

 

Now, I can say for sure the advance curves for these 2 distributors are near
identical and follow the advance curve listed in the Sunbeam Shop Manual.

 

Big thanks to Allan Wilson for sending me his distributor report; he had a
C40F-A and Z5TF-C distributors tested and the curves are near identical.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 15:58:23 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 16:58:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfkAWT_r4ya4Oa4VJhMcmAJwj3xWtgZgbnL4_nX2QB4+6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
 <CAKb_wf=65Oh4etFKfv5DNP_C9Le0o8WEwS24Js94mTs3otd1bQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKb_wfkAWT_r4ya4Oa4VJhMcmAJwj3xWtgZgbnL4_nX2QB4+6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfmOycdXYaRO-8Y7EUPsqoxngPrKqaaG94e1Yf=DqHbu-Q@mail.gmail.com>

An update on my master cylinder issue.  I dug out the original master
cylinder that came with the car and I tore it apart and compared it to the
cheap replacement I bought a couple of years ago.  All of the internals
look to be the same except for the piston.  The original piston has a very
deep depression where the push rod fits and the cheap replacement has a
very shallow depression.  I did some more searching and found a discussion
on the SAOCA website (
http://forum.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/
) that describes exactly what I am seeing.  I'm betting that the master
cylinder I bought is either for an older Alpine or some other British car.
I have a new one on order from Sunbeam Specialties.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:48 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I should clarify.  I had the brake locking problem before I replaced or
> rebuilt everything.  And I still have the same problem.  Could it be
> something with the master cylinder?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last
>> week.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible
>>> hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside.
>>> I changed them and the problem was resolved.
>>>
>>> From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
>>> Or 203-264-8301 home
>>>
>>> > On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <
>>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ?
>>> > Hey,
>>> >
>>> > I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.  This
>>> actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
>>> >
>>> > Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes
>>> lock up (only the fronts).  If I crack open either bleed screw they free
>>> up.  In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master
>>> cylinder frees up the brakes.
>>> >
>>> > I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and
>>> rebuilt the calipers.  This seems to leave the master cylinder.  I
>>> disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line
>>> on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed
>>> any air out of it.  That all seems to work okay.
>>> >
>>> > So, I'm looking for other ideas.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Joe Brown
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> >
>>> > tigers at autox.team.net
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From coolvt at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 16:47:29 2021
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 22:47:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfmOycdXYaRO-8Y7EUPsqoxngPrKqaaG94e1Yf=DqHbu-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfn5pPbkWhwqz5iQW7FUOrGGnPwWmVKWvyZgMoyWwzVB4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <EF73641C-9775-407D-B49C-C6F56B6DDA23@sbcglobal.net>
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Message-ID: <1974082915.300081.1624661249333@mail.yahoo.com>

Sounds like you've found your problem.? Good luck and enjoy once you're back on the road.

In a message dated 6/25/2021 5:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?An update on my master cylinder issue.? I dug out the original master cylinder that came with the car and I tore it apart and compared it to the cheap replacement I bought a couple of years ago.? All of the internals look to be the same except for the piston.? The original piston has a very deep depression where the push rod fits and the cheap replacement has a very shallow depression.? I did some more searching and found a discussion on the SAOCA website ( http://forum.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/ ) that describes exactly what I am seeing.? I'm betting that the master cylinder I bought is either for an older Alpine or some other British car.? I have a new one on order from Sunbeam Specialties.?Thanks,Joe Brown
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:48 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
I should clarify.? I had the brake locking problem before I replaced or rebuilt everything.? And I still have the same problem.? Could it be something with the master cylinder??Thanks,Joe
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last week.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. 
I changed them and the problem was resolved. 

>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.? This actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> 
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).? If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.? In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the brakes.
> 
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt the calipers.? This seems to leave the master cylinder.? I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air out of it.? That all seems to work okay.
> 
> So, I'm looking for other ideas.? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
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From dan_doornbos at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 27 23:23:17 2021
From: dan_doornbos at hotmail.com (daniel doornbos)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 05:23:17 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Engine compartment steering column mount.
Message-ID: <CY4PR18MB1496A59DCA7A711B46079DE3FD039@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Could someone please send or post a detailed photo of the lower leg of the steering column band mount?


Mine is a bit bent and without the dash in for reference, it's hard to say how it impacts the steering wheel location.  I would like to bend it back straight before building the linkage to the rack.     https://photos.app.goo.gl/YPNTHLA5TqXEU6dRA


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Jun 28 06:47:22 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 08:47:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine compartment steering column mount.
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR18MB1496A59DCA7A711B46079DE3FD039@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR18MB1496A59DCA7A711B46079DE3FD039@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000701d76c1b$be309250$3a91b6f0$@bluefrog.com>

Best I can do for you.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of daniel doornbos
via Tigers
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 1:23 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Engine compartment steering column mount.

 

Could someone please send or post a detailed photo of the lower leg of the
steering column band mount?  

 

 

Mine is a bit bent and without the dash in for reference, it's hard to say
how it impacts the steering wheel location.  I would like to bend it back
straight before building the linkage to the rack.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YPNTHLA5TqXEU6dRA

 

 

thanks

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Jun 28 07:26:45 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 09:26:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine compartment steering column mount.
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Hopefully this will help.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: daniel doornbos via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 6/28/21  1:26 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine compartment steering column mount. 

Could someone please send or post a detailed photo of the lower leg of the steering column band mount???







Mine is a bit bent and without the dash in for reference, it's hard to say how it impacts the steering wheel location.? I would like to bend it back straight before building the linkage to the rack.? ? ?https://photos.app.goo.gl/YPNTHLA5TqXEU6dRA






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From dan_doornbos at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 28 07:40:53 2021
From: dan_doornbos at hotmail.com (daniel doornbos)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:40:53 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Engine compartment steering column mount. (jimdamelio)
Message-ID: <CY4PR18MB1496C6BF3FEE3A5F7E480BA5FD039@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks to Jim and Ron, perfect photos of what I needed to sort out.  WOW is mine bent.
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From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Mon Jun 28 11:22:48 2021
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event July 10th
References: <1255870875.5581865.1624900968975.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Good Afternoon,? ? ?The next TAC Event will be held on July 10th in Valrico, Florida beginning at 10am.? If you would like to have your Tiger authenticated, this is a great opportunity to have it done.? Please let me know if you plan to attend.? ? ? Thank you,
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From dan_doornbos at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 28 13:44:29 2021
From: dan_doornbos at hotmail.com (daniel doornbos)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 19:44:29 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Brake & Clutch pedal ratio modification
Message-ID: <CY4PR18MB1496BFB9D6416C2E755FAB1CFD039@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

All, I sent the question last week about the stock 4:1 to 6:1 pedal ratio.  Tom H as always has a great solution ready to go and he sent his work details.  Tom's solution is great and well-engineered for those not wanting to alter the firewall.

I don't mind the firewall modifications and since my car is a body only in primer the firewall modification is easy.  Don't look at the photos if you don't want to see the cutting of a Tiger.  https://photos.app.goo.gl/aw8dta9RoA4uwKRk9

A quick run down of changes.

  *   stock pedal ratio is 4:1, clevis pin hole is 3" from pivot and the pedal is 12" long.
  *   Needed to drill a new 1/4 in hole 2" from pivot (1" higher than stock) for the clevis.  I did build up and grind smooth some extra material with the welder to match the thickness
  *   The plan is to use the standard pedal mount top hole in the firewall.
  *   Once the pedal was drilled the pedal bracket needed to be shortened and the lower mount hole moved up by 1" so I trimmed, drilled and welded the braket to clear the higher clevis pin
  *   For the firewall I've cut a piece of steel plate and traced the stock holes to overlay on the firewall
  *   I cut out two slots in the firewall leaving the perpendicular reinforcement braces to allow for moving up the MCs and pushrods.
  *   I've ordered a 0.7 clutch and 15/16 Brake (Datsun) MC.  Once I have those and am sure of the mounting hole pieces I'll drill the plate bolt it in place and weld it into position.   Then I need to sort out the pushrod pin length and retention.

I'm really happy with how the work went over the weekend.  Please give any feedback if I'm overlooking something critical or if anyone has done anything similar.

Also in digging through parts I was trying to decide if I should keep or trash parts.  Specifically, any reason to keep the original Master Cylinders, Exhaust manifolds, or generator?

thanks for looking
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Jun 28 14:18:03 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 16:18:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake & Clutch pedal ratio modification
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR18MB1496BFB9D6416C2E755FAB1CFD039@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR18MB1496BFB9D6416C2E755FAB1CFD039@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000f01d76c5a$b3affa70$1b0fef50$@bluefrog.com>

Dan

                Rule # 1 - Never throw a Tiger part out.

 

Original generator has a Tiger specific fan and pulley

Original exhaust manifolds - 1 is a Falcon part the other is Tiger specific

 

Just when your about to throw a Tiger part out refer to Rule #1

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of daniel doornbos
via Tigers
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:44 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Brake & Clutch pedal ratio modification

 

All, I sent the question last week about the stock 4:1 to 6:1 pedal ratio.
Tom H as always has a great solution ready to go and he sent his work
details.  Tom's solution is great and well-engineered for those not wanting
to alter the firewall.

 

I don't mind the firewall modifications and since my car is a body only in
primer the firewall modification is easy.  Don't look at the photos if you
don't want to see the cutting of a Tiger.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aw8dta9RoA4uwKRk9

 

A quick run down of changes.

*	stock pedal ratio is 4:1, clevis pin hole is 3" from pivot and the
pedal is 12" long.  
*	Needed to drill a new 1/4 in hole 2" from pivot (1" higher than
stock) for the clevis.  I did build up and grind smooth some extra material
with the welder to match the thickness 
*	The plan is to use the standard pedal mount top hole in the
firewall.
*	Once the pedal was drilled the pedal bracket needed to be shortened
and the lower mount hole moved up by 1" so I trimmed, drilled and welded the
braket to clear the higher clevis pin
*	For the firewall I've cut a piece of steel plate and traced the
stock holes to overlay on the firewall
*	I cut out two slots in the firewall leaving the perpendicular
reinforcement braces to allow for moving up the MCs and pushrods.  
*	I've ordered a 0.7 clutch and 15/16 Brake (Datsun) MC.  Once I have
those and am sure of the mounting hole pieces I'll drill the plate bolt it
in place and weld it into position.   Then I need to sort out the pushrod
pin length and retention.

 

I'm really happy with how the work went over the weekend.  Please give any
feedback if I'm overlooking something critical or if anyone has done
anything similar.

 

Also in digging through parts I was trying to decide if I should keep or
trash parts.  Specifically, any reason to keep the original Master
Cylinders, Exhaust manifolds, or generator?  

 

thanks for looking

dan

 

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Jun 28 14:22:00 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:22:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Brake & Clutch pedal ratio modification
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References: <CY4PR18MB1496BFB9D6416C2E755FAB1CFD039@CY4PR18MB1496.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <79648067-c27d-0023-93b1-8b656250b542@verizon.net>

Dan,

 ???It looks like you have a good handle on this modification. Will you 
will delete the booster?


As for trashing parts, if you have the room don't. Can't speak for the 
core value of the MC and Generator but at least one of the two factory 
exhaust manifolds is specific to the Tiger - _if I'm recalling 
correctly_. It use to be cast manifolds were considered a toe stubbing 
nuisance but I'm quite surprised at what people are asking for them 
these days as they regard 60's/70's cars across all brands. Some prefer 
the cast manifolds on the Tiger rather then deal with _potential_ leaks 
with headers. Or some build to originality and would seek the cast 
manifolds if the car they have has previously installed headers.



On 6/28/2021 12:44 PM, daniel doornbos via Tigers wrote:
> All, I sent the question last week about the stock 4:1 to 6:1 pedal 
> ratio.??? Tom H as always has a great solution ready to go and he sent 
> his work details.??? Tom's solution is great and well-engineered for 
> those not wanting to alter the firewall.
>
> I don't mind the firewall modifications and since my car is a body 
> only in primer the firewall modification is easy.??? Don't look at the 
> photos if you don't want to see the cutting of a Tiger. 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/aw8dta9RoA4uwKRk9 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/aw8dta9RoA4uwKRk9>
>
> A quick run down of changes.
>
>   * stock pedal ratio is 4:1, clevis pin hole is 3" from pivot and the
>     pedal is 12" long.
>   * Needed to drill a new 1/4 in hole 2" from pivot (1" higher than
>     stock) for the clevis.??? I did build up and grind smooth some extra
>     material with the welder to match the thickness
>   * The plan is to use the standard pedal mount top hole in the firewall.
>   * Once the pedal was drilled the pedal bracket needed to be
>     shortened and the lower mount hole moved up by 1" so I trimmed,
>     drilled and welded the braket to clear the higher clevis pin
>   * For the firewall I've cut a piece of steel plate and traced the
>     stock holes to overlay on the firewall
>   * I cut out two slots in the firewall leaving the perpendicular
>     reinforcement braces to allow for moving up the MCs and pushrods.
>   * I've ordered a 0.7 clutch and 15/16 Brake (Datsun) MC. Once I have
>     those and am sure of the mounting hole pieces I'll drill the plate
>     bolt it in place and weld it into position.??? ???Then I need to sort
>     out the pushrod pin length and retention.
>
>
> I'm really happy with how the work went over the weekend. Please give 
> any feedback if I'm overlooking something critical or if anyone has 
> done anything similar.
>
> Also in digging through parts I was trying to decide if I should keep 
> or trash parts.??? Specifically, any reason to keep the original Master 
> Cylinders, Exhaust manifolds, or generator?
>
> thanks for looking
> dan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From dan_doornbos at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 28 15:06:12 2021
From: dan_doornbos at hotmail.com (daniel doornbos)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 21:06:12 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 107
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3257.1624911732.2856.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3257.1624911732.2856.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Tom,  yes deleting the power booster.  I've got Mike H Mustang 2 front end with 5 lug Wilwood spindles.  Out back I've upgraded to a Ford 8.8 floating rear end for disc brakes.  I've bought modern Wilwood calipers and rotors for all 4 corners and with that, the piston surface area is significant at 23 sq in.  In talking to the tech support they recommend a 6:1 pedal ratio and a 15/16 MC.  That said Wilwoods own pedal assemblies are a 7:1 ratio.

Reading up on brakes I found that folks who cam up modern Camero and Mustangs wind up with no manifold vacuum and delete the power booster.  In those applications summit, jegs, etc sell a booster delete kit with a 1" MC.  Many of those cars would have similar or more brake piston surface area.

The car was at the body shop for 1.5 years, and when I got it back in may 2020.  Then last year all I did was put in the block/heads/headers to start the rest of the moc up.  It feels good to get things moving again in the last few weeks.

dan




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:22:00 -0700
From: Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake & Clutch pedal ratio modification
Message-ID: <79648067-c27d-0023-93b1-8b656250b542 at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"

Dan,

 ???It looks like you have a good handle on this modification. Will you
will delete the booster?


As for trashing parts, if you have the room don't. Can't speak for the
core value of the MC and Generator but at least one of the two factory
exhaust manifolds is specific to the Tiger - _if I'm recalling
correctly_. It use to be cast manifolds were considered a toe stubbing
nuisance but I'm quite surprised at what people are asking for them
these days as they regard 60's/70's cars across all brands. Some prefer
the cast manifolds on the Tiger rather then deal with _potential_ leaks
with headers. Or some build to originality and would seek the cast
manifolds if the car they have has previously installed headers.



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