From tlawell at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 1 18:33:37 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 19:33:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor Message-ID: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the adapter. Cheers, Terry From coolvt at aol.com Thu Jul 1 20:26:38 2021 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 02:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <867257017.835292.1625192798725@mail.yahoo.com> Years ago I called a few Ford dealers and one had the adapter in stock. In a message dated 7/1/2021 8:34:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the adapter.?Cheers, Terry_______________________________________________?tigers at autox.team.net?Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive?Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 03:53:25 2021 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 11:53:25 +0200 Subject: [Tigers] BMR radiator Message-ID: Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with this one from BMR in the UK: https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570 Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips. This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some mountain passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at well over 100C / ~230F. I returned home and checked everything over. 1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant. 2. gauge is mechanical 3. horn holes blocked, along with gap between rad and crossmember. 4. fan shroud in place with 13" flex fan on water pump hub. 5. doesn't overheat at idle even when left running for 30 minutes. I've NEVER had a problem with overheating at speed before. the only issues I had were at idle or in traffic / slow speed but even those had been solved by all the above. engine is a 490hp 347, but wasn't a problem before. everything is pointing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and not doing as good a job as the Dale rad. anyone running one of these? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 04:23:00 2021 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 18:23:00 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] BMR radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Owain, Not sure about the BMR, but the Dales ones were actually Fluidyne radiators. The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together cores. I hear different things about evans.. one of the things i have heard is that the coolant runs hotter, but that it doesn't boil, so i guess to ask: Apart from it registering physically hotter, was it suffering any adverse effects? Did it start vaporising the fuel? Did it start running rough? Did it puke the coolant? On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers wrote: > Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with > this one from BMR in the UK: > > > https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570 > > Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips. > > This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some mountain > passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at well over > 100C / ~230F. I returned home and checked everything over. > > 1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant. > 2. gauge is mechanical > 3. horn holes blocked, along with gap between rad and crossmember. > 4. fan shroud in place with 13" flex fan on water pump hub. > 5. doesn't overheat at idle even when left running for 30 minutes. > > I've NEVER had a problem with overheating at speed before. the only > issues I had were at idle or in traffic / slow speed but even those had > been solved by all the above. engine is a 490hp 347, but wasn't a problem > before. > > everything is pointing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and not > doing as good a job as the Dale rad. anyone running one of these? > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 04:42:27 2021 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 12:42:27 +0200 Subject: [Tigers] BMR radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fluidyne - right. indeed. there is no pressure increase at that temperature with Evans. you can literally remove the cap with your bare hand. the specific heat capacity isn't quite as good (it's hard to beat water after all), but the advantages in terms of lack of corrosion (and lack of expansion) are worth that for me. the point is that i ran Evans before with the Dale rad and it never ran that hot. it was running fine at the high temp (I drove it home at that temp - no problems - fueling perfect) but it reaches a point where you just don't want the engine too hot. iron block, aluminium heads and pistons - the hotter it gets the more the expansion differences will become. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM michael king wrote: > Hey Owain, > > Not sure about the BMR, but the Dales ones were actually Fluidyne > radiators. > > The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together > cores. > > I hear different things about evans.. one of the things i have heard is > that the coolant runs hotter, but that it doesn't boil, so i guess to ask: > Apart from it registering physically hotter, was it suffering any adverse > effects? > Did it start vaporising the fuel? > Did it start running rough? > Did it puke the coolant? > > > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers > wrote: > >> Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with >> this one from BMR in the UK: >> >> >> https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570 >> >> Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips. >> >> This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some mountain >> passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at well over >> 100C / ~230F. I returned home and checked everything over. >> >> 1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant. >> 2. gauge is mechanical >> 3. horn holes blocked, along with gap between rad and crossmember. >> 4. fan shroud in place with 13" flex fan on water pump hub. >> 5. doesn't overheat at idle even when left running for 30 minutes. >> >> I've NEVER had a problem with overheating at speed before. the only >> issues I had were at idle or in traffic / slow speed but even those had >> been solved by all the above. engine is a 490hp 347, but wasn't a problem >> before. >> >> everything is pointing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and not >> doing as good a job as the Dale rad. anyone running one of these? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bucktrippel at verizon.net Fri Jul 2 08:26:31 2021 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 07:26:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] BMR radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <148501d76f4e$415a5410$c40efc30$@verizon.net> I would not assume the problem is the radiator. I?d also look carefully at the Evans coolant before scrapping the radiator. As Michael pointed out, and I?m positive you already know, Evans (largely propylene glycol) has poor specific heat compared to water (0.66?). It just doesn?t pickup the heat from the engine and move it into the radiator nearly as well as pure water. A few years ago Claudia and I tested Evans in a Tiger. We found it lacking. First we did some idle duration tests. We did one with pure water, one with partial coolant and finally one with only Evans. As we suspected, the time to heat to 230 decreased markedly with the Evans. Then we took our test on the road in a nearly a 4,800 mile trip around the country in August of 2019. We frequently ran with air temps over 100F and hit 116F at one point. We drove from LA to Reno, Bonneville, Salt Lake, Mount Rushmore, the Badlands and across the plains to La Crosse. On the return we went through Denver then south to Albuquerque and followed the traditional Route 66 back to SoCal. At altitudes around 5,000 feet with air temperatures near or slightly over 100, the Evans coolant met it?s match. It could not remove the engine heat fast enough to keep the engine from stopping due to fuel percolation inside the carb?s bowls. In Pueblo, Colorado, we had about half the Evans removed and replaced it with water. Certainly the density altitude had an effect. (This mixture did later ?puke? once but that was when I tried crossing the Mojave desert when the OAT was 116. After that happened I limped along using the water temperature gauge as my only speedometer.) Owain, you may want to drain out the Evans and repeat your run of mountain passes with water before tossing out that radiator. If you do, I?d greatly appreciate leaning your results. (For me, all the theory in the world tends to go out the window when faced with a good empirical test!) Good luck! Buck From: Tigers On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd via Tigers Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:42 AM To: michael king Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] BMR radiator Fluidyne - right. indeed. there is no pressure increase at that temperature with Evans. you can literally remove the cap with your bare hand. the specific heat capacity isn't quite as good (it's hard to beat water after all), but the advantages in terms of lack of corrosion (and lack of expansion) are worth that for me. the point is that i ran Evans before with the Dale rad and it never ran that hot. it was running fine at the high temp (I drove it home at that temp - no problems - fueling perfect) but it reaches a point where you just don't want the engine too hot. iron block, aluminium heads and pistons - the hotter it gets the more the expansion differences will become. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM michael king > wrote: Hey Owain, Not sure about the BMR, but the Dales ones were actually Fluidyne radiators. The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together cores. I hear different things about evans.. one of the things i have heard is that the coolant runs hotter, but that it doesn't boil, so i guess to ask: Apart from it registering physically hotter, was it suffering any adverse effects? Did it start vaporising the fuel? Did it start running rough? Did it puke the coolant? On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers > wrote: Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with this one from BMR in the UK: https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570 Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips. This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some mountain passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at well over 100C / ~230F. I returned home and checked everything over. 1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant. 2. gauge is mechanical 3. horn holes blocked, along with gap between rad and crossmember. 4. fan shroud in place with 13" flex fan on water pump hub. 5. doesn't overheat at idle even when left running for 30 minutes. I've NEVER had a problem with overheating at speed before. the only issues I had were at idle or in traffic / slow speed but even those had been solved by all the above. engine is a 490hp 347, but wasn't a problem before. everything is pointing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and not doing as good a job as the Dale rad. anyone running one of these? _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com -- Regards Michael King -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 08:31:09 2021 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:31:09 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] BMR radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Owain, Were there any other changes you made when swapping the radiator out? Did you change the lower radiator hose? Does it have a spring in it to stop it collapsing and restricting at higher rpm? That will cause issues at speed but not idle The gauge being mechanical rules out usual sender/ earth issues. What depth is the core on the new rad v old one, maybe fan is to close to the radiator and not pulling properly ( though that should more be an idle issue than on the run ) What is the fin density and how many cores... Maybe its not getting as much air passing cleanly through and not dissipating as well as the fluidyne. Do you run an electric fan? I once had my car overheat as i had the wires reversed and the fan was spinning reverse and pushing air away from the grill whwn i came on... But again....more an issue at idle. On Friday, 2 July 2021, Owain Lloyd wrote: > Fluidyne - right. > indeed. there is no pressure increase at that temperature with Evans. > you can literally remove the cap with your bare hand. > the specific heat capacity isn't quite as good (it's hard to beat water > after all), but the advantages in terms of lack of corrosion (and lack of > expansion) are worth that for me. > the point is that i ran Evans before with the Dale rad and it never ran > that hot. it was running fine at the high temp (I drove it home at that > temp - no problems - fueling perfect) but it reaches a point where you just > don't want the engine too hot. iron block, aluminium heads and pistons - > the hotter it gets the more the expansion differences will become. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM michael king > wrote: > >> Hey Owain, >> >> Not sure about the BMR, but the Dales ones were actually Fluidyne >> radiators. >> >> The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together >> cores. >> >> I hear different things about evans.. one of the things i have heard is >> that the coolant runs hotter, but that it doesn't boil, so i guess to ask: >> Apart from it registering physically hotter, was it suffering any adverse >> effects? >> Did it start vaporising the fuel? >> Did it start running rough? >> Did it puke the coolant? >> >> >> >> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers < >> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with >>> this one from BMR in the UK: >>> >>> https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium- >>> Radiator-p146886570 >>> >>> Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips. >>> >>> This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some mountain >>> passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at well over >>> 100C / ~230F. I returned home and checked everything over. >>> >>> 1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant. >>> 2. gauge is mechanical >>> 3. horn holes blocked, along with gap between rad and crossmember. >>> 4. fan shroud in place with 13" flex fan on water pump hub. >>> 5. doesn't overheat at idle even when left running for 30 minutes. >>> >>> I've NEVER had a problem with overheating at speed before. the only >>> issues I had were at idle or in traffic / slow speed but even those had >>> been solved by all the above. engine is a 490hp 347, but wasn't a problem >>> before. >>> >>> everything is pointing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and not >>> doing as good a job as the Dale rad. anyone running one of these? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >>> options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> > -- Regards Michael King -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 14:26:45 2021 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:26:45 +0200 Subject: [Tigers] BMR radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will reply in more detail tomorrow - but that may be important. Thanks and good thinking. I forgot I also changed the lower hose because it was a bit chafed. Tried to install a sprinkler spring but it was a bit too stiff and I couldn?t get it fully in. So left it out. That said I wasn?t revving high. It?s super long geared and has so much power at 2500 rpm. I?m reluctant to try diluting with 50% water because there?s no turning back at that point. This engine has never seen water. On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 16:31, michael king wrote: > Owain, > > Were there any other changes you made when swapping the radiator out? > > Did you change the lower radiator hose? Does it have a spring in it to > stop it collapsing and restricting at higher rpm? That will cause issues at > speed but not idle > > The gauge being mechanical rules out usual sender/ earth issues. > > What depth is the core on the new rad v old one, maybe fan is to close to > the radiator and not pulling properly ( though that should more be an idle > issue than on the run ) > > What is the fin density and how many cores... Maybe its not getting as > much air passing cleanly through and not dissipating as well as the > fluidyne. > > Do you run an electric fan? I once had my car overheat as i had the wires > reversed and the fan was spinning reverse and pushing air away from the > grill whwn i came on... But again....more an issue at idle. > > > On Friday, 2 July 2021, Owain Lloyd wrote: > >> Fluidyne - right. >> indeed. there is no pressure increase at that temperature with Evans. >> you can literally remove the cap with your bare hand. >> the specific heat capacity isn't quite as good (it's hard to beat water >> after all), but the advantages in terms of lack of corrosion (and lack of >> expansion) are worth that for me. >> the point is that i ran Evans before with the Dale rad and it never ran >> that hot. it was running fine at the high temp (I drove it home at that >> temp - no problems - fueling perfect) but it reaches a point where you just >> don't want the engine too hot. iron block, aluminium heads and pistons - >> the hotter it gets the more the expansion differences will become. >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM michael king >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Owain, >>> >>> Not sure about the BMR, but the Dales ones were actually Fluidyne >>> radiators. >>> >>> The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together >>> cores. >>> >>> I hear different things about evans.. one of the things i have heard is >>> that the coolant runs hotter, but that it doesn't boil, so i guess to ask: >>> Apart from it registering physically hotter, was it suffering any >>> adverse effects? >>> Did it start vaporising the fuel? >>> Did it start running rough? >>> Did it puke the coolant? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers < >>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with >>>> this one from BMR in the UK: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570 >>>> >>>> Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips. >>>> >>>> This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some >>>> mountain passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at >>>> well over 100C / ~230F. I returned home and checked everything over. >>>> >>>> 1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant. >>>> 2. gauge is mechanical >>>> 3. horn holes blocked, along with gap between rad and crossmember. >>>> 4. fan shroud in place with 13" flex fan on water pump hub. >>>> 5. doesn't overheat at idle even when left running for 30 minutes. >>>> >>>> I've NEVER had a problem with overheating at speed before. the only >>>> issues I had were at idle or in traffic / slow speed but even those had >>>> been solved by all the above. engine is a 490hp 347, but wasn't a problem >>>> before. >>>> >>>> everything is pointing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and >>>> not doing as good a job as the Dale rad. anyone running one of these? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> tigers at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> Michael King >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bucktrippel at verizon.net Fri Jul 2 14:50:33 2021 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 13:50:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] BMR radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <068b01d76f83$e733a780$b59af680$@verizon.net> You could try carefully draining all the Evans so that it could be preserved/reused. I spent $$$ on mine. Then you could test with water to gather data. If you want to return to Evans you can flush with a propylene glycol coolant like ?Sierra?. (Not too easy to get at your ?local? parts store, Owain?) Then you could reinstall the Evans. bt From: Tigers On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 1:27 PM To: michael king Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] BMR radiator Will reply in more detail tomorrow - but that may be important. Thanks and good thinking. I forgot I also changed the lower hose because it was a bit chafed. Tried to install a sprinkler spring but it was a bit too stiff and I couldn?t get it fully in. So left it out. That said I wasn?t revving high. It?s super long geared and has so much power at 2500 rpm. I?m reluctant to try diluting with 50% water because there?s no turning back at that point. This engine has never seen water. On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 16:31, michael king > wrote: Owain, Were there any other changes you made when swapping the radiator out? Did you change the lower radiator hose? Does it have a spring in it to stop it collapsing and restricting at higher rpm? That will cause issues at speed but not idle The gauge being mechanical rules out usual sender/ earth issues. What depth is the core on the new rad v old one, maybe fan is to close to the radiator and not pulling properly ( though that should more be an idle issue than on the run ) What is the fin density and how many cores... Maybe its not getting as much air passing cleanly through and not dissipating as well as the fluidyne. Do you run an electric fan? I once had my car overheat as i had the wires reversed and the fan was spinning reverse and pushing air away from the grill whwn i came on... But again....more an issue at idle. On Friday, 2 July 2021, Owain Lloyd > wrote: Fluidyne - right. indeed. there is no pressure increase at that temperature with Evans. you can literally remove the cap with your bare hand. the specific heat capacity isn't quite as good (it's hard to beat water after all), but the advantages in terms of lack of corrosion (and lack of expansion) are worth that for me. the point is that i ran Evans before with the Dale rad and it never ran that hot. it was running fine at the high temp (I drove it home at that temp - no problems - fueling perfect) but it reaches a point where you just don't want the engine too hot. iron block, aluminium heads and pistons - the hotter it gets the more the expansion differences will become. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM michael king > wrote: Hey Owain, Not sure about the BMR, but the Dales ones were actually Fluidyne radiators. The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together cores. I hear different things about evans.. one of the things i have heard is that the coolant runs hotter, but that it doesn't boil, so i guess to ask: Apart from it registering physically hotter, was it suffering any adverse effects? Did it start vaporising the fuel? Did it start running rough? Did it puke the coolant? On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers > wrote: Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with this one from BMR in the UK: https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570 Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips. This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some mountain passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at well over 100C / ~230F. I returned home and checked everything over. 1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant. 2. gauge is mechanical 3. horn holes blocked, along with gap between rad and crossmember. 4. fan shroud in place with 13" flex fan on water pump hub. 5. doesn't overheat at idle even when left running for 30 minutes. I've NEVER had a problem with overheating at speed before. the only issues I had were at idle or in traffic / slow speed but even those had been solved by all the above. engine is a 490hp 347, but wasn't a problem before. everything is pointing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and not doing as good a job as the Dale rad. anyone running one of these? _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com -- Regards Michael King -- Regards Michael King -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harryb at elams.org Fri Jul 2 15:15:53 2021 From: harryb at elams.org (H B Elam) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 17:15:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Radiators Message-ID: My 2 cents. While in Long Beach, CA in early 90?s I had a radiator shop recore a spare stock radiator with the fin package for fork trucks. Worked great for years. By that I mean that the temp gauge could go above 200F but it never puked. For the last five or so years I have been running a Griffins Aluminum. The company REQUIRES that you use premixed 50-50 antifreeze-water. I have been in a stop and go parade for over two hours without boil over. The temp gauge did show over 210F but no boil over. As soon as I could get up to speed temp immediately dropped to 190F. On the road, top down, any speed the temp gauge needle partially covers the ?2? of 200F. My engine builder wanted the engine to run at 190K. B382000471 TAC#37 From jbsyv at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 16:26:40 2021 From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] BMR radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just chiming in on the radiator hose. I have had that happen where the hose collapses under load. It doesn?t take much acceleration to make it collapse. I think that would be my first item on the to do list. I think auto parts stores sell em. It?s been years and my memory is a little fuzzy though. I do remember having to cut it down to size. Could be I bought a hose that had on in it and then modified it for my application. Good luck. Cheers Jim B. > On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > Will reply in more detail tomorrow - but that may be important. Thanks and good thinking. > > I forgot I also changed the lower hose because it was a bit chafed. Tried to install a sprinkler spring but it was a bit too stiff and I couldn?t get it fully in. So left it out. That said I wasn?t revving high. It?s super long geared and has so much power at 2500 rpm. > > I?m reluctant to try diluting with 50% water because there?s no turning back at that point. This engine has never seen water. > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 16:31, michael king > wrote: > Owain, > > Were there any other changes you made when swapping the radiator out? > > Did you change the lower radiator hose? Does it have a spring in it to stop it collapsing and restricting at higher rpm? That will cause issues at speed but not idle > > The gauge being mechanical rules out usual sender/ earth issues. > > What depth is the core on the new rad v old one, maybe fan is to close to the radiator and not pulling properly ( though that should more be an idle issue than on the run ) > > What is the fin density and how many cores... Maybe its not getting as much air passing cleanly through and not dissipating as well as the fluidyne. > > Do you run an electric fan? I once had my car overheat as i had the wires reversed and the fan was spinning reverse and pushing air away from the grill whwn i came on... But again....more an issue at idle. > > > On Friday, 2 July 2021, Owain Lloyd > wrote: > Fluidyne - right. > indeed. there is no pressure increase at that temperature with Evans. you can literally remove the cap with your bare hand. > the specific heat capacity isn't quite as good (it's hard to beat water after all), but the advantages in terms of lack of corrosion (and lack of expansion) are worth that for me. > the point is that i ran Evans before with the Dale rad and it never ran that hot. it was running fine at the high temp (I drove it home at that temp - no problems - fueling perfect) but it reaches a point where you just don't want the engine too hot. iron block, aluminium heads and pistons - the hotter it gets the more the expansion differences will become. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM michael king > wrote: > Hey Owain, > > Not sure about the BMR, but the Dales ones were actually Fluidyne radiators. > > The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together cores. > > I hear different things about evans.. one of the things i have heard is that the coolant runs hotter, but that it doesn't boil, so i guess to ask: > Apart from it registering physically hotter, was it suffering any adverse effects? > Did it start vaporising the fuel? > Did it start running rough? > Did it puke the coolant? > > > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers > wrote: > Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with this one from BMR in the UK: > > https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570 > > Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips. > > This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some mountain passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at well over 100C / ~230F. 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URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Jul 3 06:45:44 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 08:45:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> Terry 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& top_parent=200001&year= see if 6890-A is the part you need. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via Tigers Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the adapter. Cheers, Terry _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com From tlawell at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 3 13:36:50 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 14:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> Hi Ron, It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > top_parent=200001&year= > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > Tigers > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the > adapter. > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Sat Jul 3 13:49:40 2021 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:49:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the engine mount. On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell wrote: > Hi Ron, > > It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales > person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits > correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the > oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. > Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? > I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure > gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, > I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very > difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a > fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when > they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears > to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to > get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any > info on these fittings would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Terry > > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > > > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > > top_parent=200001&year= > > > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell > via > > Tigers > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to > the > > adapter. > > > > Cheers, Terry > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coolvt at aol.com Sat Jul 3 14:42:05 2021 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 20:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <938102468.1319668.1625344925620@mail.yahoo.com> Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is 1/4"? good old American standard pipe thread.? Hope you don't have a problem because I think the fitting should have come out fairly easily.? Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes:?Hi Ron, ? It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? ? I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > ??? 1st -? I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > 2nd -? does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > top_parent=200001&year= > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > Tigers > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the > adapter. > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Jul 3 15:07:48 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 17:07:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000a01d7704f$7b1bdd70$71539850$@bluefrog.com> Terry Yes, the PH3600 filter fits - you may need to position angle of the filter adaptor a little for best clearance. The engine block was made by Ford at the Cleveland Foundry, therefore the fitting thread should be an SAE standard pipe thread unless someone buggered it up. Best guess 1/4" pipe thread 9151205 adaptor - pipe to block oil gauge The 9151205 indicates it is a British supplied part not a Ford supplied part. I don't know if there is any info available about this part. My Ford Master Parts Catalog lists C20Z-9B339-A for the USA part - that part would only give you the thread size - it is not the Tiger part. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Terry Lawell Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 3:37 PM To: Ron Fraser Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor Hi Ron, It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread You need to check that this is correct > for your oil filter kit. > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bf > ilter& > top_parent=200001&year= > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell > via Tigers > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when > it arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, > though the salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I > can get the adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and > 13/16" threads to the adapter. > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Jul 3 15:27:07 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 14:27:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When you get this all figured out, how about taking some pictures and giving us the Summit part numbers. It?s way past the time that I should have replaced the rubber hose in my remote setup. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote: > > ? > Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the engine mount. > >> On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell wrote: >> Hi Ron, >> >> It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales >> person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits >> correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the >> oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. >> Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? >> I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure >> gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, >> I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very >> difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a >> fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when >> they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears >> to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to >> get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any >> info on these fittings would be much appreciated. >> >> Cheers, Terry >> >> >> On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> > Terry >> > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did >> > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. >> > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? >> > >> > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 >> > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread >> > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. >> > >> > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& >> > top_parent=200001&year= >> > >> > see if 6890-A is the part you need. >> > >> > Ron Fraser >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via >> > Tigers >> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM >> > To: tigers at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> > >> > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it >> > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the >> > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the >> > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the >> > adapter. >> > >> > Cheers, Terry >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers at autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 3 16:14:00 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 17:14:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60E0E128.9010103@austin.rr.com> I will do that! Terry On 7/3/21, 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: > When you get this all figured out, how about > taking some pictures and giving us the > Summit part numbers. It?s way past the time > that I should have replaced the rubber hose > in my remote setup. > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 3, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Stu via Tigers >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the engine >> mount. >> >> On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell > > wrote: >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales >> person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and >> it fits >> correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem >> was the >> oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the >> oil pan. >> Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? >> I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure >> gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line >> fitting, >> I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very >> difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a >> fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when >> they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It >> appears >> to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth >> wrenches to >> get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block >> off. Any >> info on these fittings would be much appreciated. >> >> Cheers, Terry >> >> >> On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> > Terry >> > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil >> filter kit did >> > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. >> > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? >> > >> > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - >> 3/4 x16 >> > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread >> > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. >> > >> > >> https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& >> > top_parent=200001&year= >> > >> > see if 6890-A is the part you need. >> > >> > Ron Fraser >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tigers > > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via >> > Tigers >> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM >> > To: tigers at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> > >> > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing >> and when it >> > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, >> though the >> > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can >> get the >> > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" >> threads to the >> > adapter. >> > >> > Cheers, Terry >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers at autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 3 16:15:45 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 17:15:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <938102468.1319668.1625344925620@mail.yahoo.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> <938102468.1319668.1625344925620@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60E0E191.5070706@austin.rr.com> Actually, I think it is a BSP 1/4 which is quite different from a 1/4 npt. That is what I am trying to clarify. Terry On 7/3/21, 3:42 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: > Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is 1/4" > good old American standard pipe thread. Hope you don't have a problem > because I think the fitting should have come out fairly easily. Mark L > > In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tlawell at austin.rr.com writes: > Hi Ron, > > It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales > person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits > correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the > oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. > Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? > I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure > gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, > I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very > difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a > fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when > they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears > to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to > get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any > info on these fittings would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Terry > > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > > > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > > top_parent=200001&year= > > > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > > Tigers > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and > when it > > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads > to the > > adapter. > > > > Cheers, Terry > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tsmit at shaw.ca Sat Jul 3 16:31:21 2021 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 16:31:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60E0E191.5070706@austin.rr.com> References: <60E0E191.5070706@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <795436134.210889919.1625351481058.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> The block was threaded 1/4 NPT on the three or four engines I?ve dealt with. None of them were the original 260 but I don?t know why Ford would have threaded that engine differently. Theo > On Jul 3, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers wrote: > > ? Actually, I think it is a BSP 1/4 which is quite different from a 1/4 npt. That is what I am trying to clarify. > > Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 3:42 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: >> Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is 1/4" good old American standard pipe thread. Hope you don't have a problem because I think the fitting should have come out fairly easily. Mark L >> >> In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes: >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales >> person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits >> correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the >> oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. >> Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? >> I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure >> gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, >> I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very >> difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a >> fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when >> they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears >> to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to >> get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any >> info on these fittings would be much appreciated. >> >> Cheers, Terry >> >> >> On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> > Terry >> > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did >> > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. >> > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? >> > >> > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 >> > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread >> > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. >> > >> > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& >> > top_parent=200001&year= >> > >> > see if 6890-A is the part you need. >> > >> > Ron Fraser >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via >> > Tigers >> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM >> > To: tigers at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> > >> > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it >> > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the >> > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the >> > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the >> > adapter. >> > >> > Cheers, Terry >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers at autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 3 16:49:21 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 17:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <795436134.210889919.1625351481058.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> References: <60E0E191.5070706@austin.rr.com> <795436134.210889919.1625351481058.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> Message-ID: <60E0E971.9000802@austin.rr.com> I agree with you, but this is an original 260 and all of the tools to remove the fittings were matched whitworth sizes and the replacement part is a BSP 1/4 thread. Terry On 7/3/21, 5:31 PM, Theo Smit wrote: > The block was threaded 1/4 NPT on the three or four engines I?ve dealt > with. None of them were the original 260 but I don?t know why Ford > would have threaded that engine differently. > > Theo > >> On Jul 3, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers >> wrote: >> >> ? Actually, I think it is a BSP 1/4 which is quite different from a >> 1/4 npt. That is what I am trying to clarify. >> >> Terry >> >> >> On 7/3/21, 3:42 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: >>> Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is >>> 1/4" good old American standard pipe thread. Hope you don't have a >>> problem because I think the fitting should have come out fairly >>> easily. Mark L >>> >>> In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>> tlawell at austin.rr.com writes: >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales >>> person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it >>> fits >>> correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the >>> oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. >>> Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? >>> I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure >>> gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line >>> fitting, >>> I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very >>> difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a >>> fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when >>> they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears >>> to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth >>> wrenches to >>> get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any >>> info on these fittings would be much appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, Terry >>> >>> >>> On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >>> > Terry >>> > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did >>> > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. >>> > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? >>> > >>> > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 >>> > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread >>> > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. >>> > >>> > >>> https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& >>> > top_parent=200001&year= >>> > >>> > see if 6890-A is the part you need. >>> > >>> > Ron Fraser >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Tigers >> > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via >>> > Tigers >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM >>> > To: tigers at autox.team.net >>> > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >>> > >>> > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and >>> when it >>> > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, >>> though the >>> > salesman told me it came with it. 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URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Jul 3 17:15:29 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 19:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60E0E297.5060803@austin.rr.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> <000a01d7704f$7b1bdd70$71539850$@bluefrog.com> <60E0E297.5060803@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <001c01d77061$516dfbe0$f449f3a0$@bluefrog.com> Terry According to a Weatherhead catalog I have: 1/4" pipe thread is about 1/2" diameter 3/8" pipe thread about 3/4" 1/2" pipe thread about 7/8" It also states that the BSPT is nearly identical to the NPTF except for the angle of the threads. This is consistent with the unified bolt threads - UNF & UNC for British bolts. I don't have one of these parts on hand to measure. Anyone have a picture of this adaptor part or measurements? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Terry Lawell Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 6:20 PM To: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor Ron, It is interesting that the part that fits in there is a Parker Hannifin part 2-FMK4S which is a BSP 1/4 thread on the engine side and that is quite different from a SAE 1/4" - this is closer to a 1/2 " thread. Terry On 7/3/21, 4:07 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > Yes, the PH3600 filter fits - you may need to position angle of the > filter adaptor a little for best clearance. > > The engine block was made by Ford at the Cleveland Foundry, therefore > the fitting thread should be an SAE standard pipe thread unless > someone buggered it up. > Best guess 1/4" pipe thread > > 9151205 adaptor - pipe to block oil gauge > The 9151205 indicates it is a British supplied part not a Ford > supplied part. > > I don't know if there is any info available about this part. > > My Ford Master Parts Catalog lists C20Z-9B339-A for the USA part - > that part would only give you the thread size - it is not the Tiger part. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Lawell > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 3:37 PM > To: Ron Fraser > Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > Hi Ron, > > It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales > person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it > fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem > was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. > Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? > I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure > gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line > fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was > very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a > fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when > they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears > to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches > to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. > Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> Terry >> 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did >> not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. >> 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? >> >> C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 >> x16 thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread You need to check that this is >> correct for your oil filter kit. >> >> https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2B >> f >> ilter& >> top_parent=200001&year= >> >> see if 6890-A is the part you need. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry >> Lawell via Tigers >> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM >> To: tigers at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> >> I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and >> when it arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, >> though the salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I >> can get the adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and >> 13/16" threads to the adapter. >> >> Cheers, Terry >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> >> >> > From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Jul 3 17:33:59 2021 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 18:33:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue Message-ID: <016001d77063$e6548150$b2fd83f0$@suddenlink.net> OK all you "gearheads", let's see who can figure this one out. As some of you know I recently went completely through my engine (boiled block rebalance, new bearings and rings etc,etc.). I put in a new clutch 10.5" (Ram #88794HD) far more clutch than I need for a street car, It's good for 450 ft. lbs. of torque. My car is in the upper 300lbs of torque. The clutch requires more movement than the stock master cylinder is capable of so I bought a new master cylinder with larger bore (.700 stock is .625) as suggested by some of you. That master worked ok, but required a FULL depression of the clutch peddle to the floor (I like midway release). My adjustment is as far as I dare to keep the throw-out bearing from staying in contact with the clutch fingers. So I got about 80 miles of driving since the overhaul (and getting a very strong left leg) and the clutch started to not release, it would take several "pumps" to get it in gear, also to make a shift. At times the clutch peddle would go to the floor with absolutely NO resistance what so ever. I had about 2 miles to get the car home. That was a real thrill, at times I had to use the starter while in first gear to leave a light or stop sign. Anyway this having no peddle at times then having some peddle finally got me home. At home I checked the clutch fluid level thinking I had lost all fluid (kind of what it felt like) but the level was still FULL! I found the problem, let see if any one of you can guess what I found to be the problem. You won't believe it! I'll tell the story after some of your guesses. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC Insp. #58 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Jul 3 17:43:44 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 16:43:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <001c01d77061$516dfbe0$f449f3a0$@bluefrog.com> References: <60DE5EE1.70703@austin.rr.com> <000001d77009$57628550$06278ff0$@bluefrog.com> <60E0BC52.7020203@austin.rr.com> <000a01d7704f$7b1bdd70$71539850$@bluefrog.com> <60E0E297.5060803@austin.rr.com> <001c01d77061$516dfbe0$f449f3a0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <867ebe5e-106d-7e5e-ac8f-92d65e43f913@comcast.net> I don't have one handy but it probably has TWO different threads. Gary On 7/3/2021 4:15 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: > Terry > According to a Weatherhead catalog I have: > 1/4" pipe thread is about 1/2" diameter > 3/8" pipe thread about 3/4" > 1/2" pipe thread about 7/8" > > It also states that the BSPT is nearly identical to the NPTF except for the > angle of the threads. > This is consistent with the unified bolt threads - UNF & UNC for British > bolts. > > I don't have one of these parts on hand to measure. > Anyone have a picture of this adaptor part or measurements? > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Lawell > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 6:20 PM > To: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > Ron, > > It is interesting that the part that fits in there is a Parker Hannifin > part 2-FMK4S which is a BSP 1/4 thread on the engine side and that is quite > different from a SAE 1/4" - this is closer to a 1/2 " thread. > > Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 4:07 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> Terry >> Yes, the PH3600 filter fits - you may need to position angle of the >> filter adaptor a little for best clearance. >> >> The engine block was made by Ford at the Cleveland Foundry, therefore >> the fitting thread should be an SAE standard pipe thread unless >> someone buggered it up. >> Best guess 1/4" pipe thread >> >> 9151205 adaptor - pipe to block oil gauge >> The 9151205 indicates it is a British supplied part not a Ford >> supplied part. >> >> I don't know if there is any info available about this part. >> >> My Ford Master Parts Catalog lists C20Z-9B339-A for the USA part - >> that part would only give you the thread size - it is not the Tiger part. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terry Lawell >> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 3:37 PM >> To: Ron Fraser >> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales >> person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it >> fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem >> was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil > pan. >> Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? >> I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure >> gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line >> fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was >> very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a >> fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when >> they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears >> to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches >> to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. >> Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. >> >> Cheers, Terry >> >> >> On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >>> Terry >>> 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did >>> not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. >>> 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? >>> >>> C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 >>> x16 thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread You need to check that this is >>> correct for your oil filter kit. >>> >>> https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2B >>> f >>> ilter& >>> top_parent=200001&year= >>> >>> see if 6890-A is the part you need. >>> >>> Ron Fraser >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry >>> Lawell via Tigers >>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM >>> To: tigers at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >>> >>> I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and >>> when it arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, >>> though the salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I >>> can get the adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and >>> 13/16" threads to the adapter. >>> >>> Cheers, Terry >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Jul 3 17:49:55 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 16:49:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue In-Reply-To: <016001d77063$e6548150$b2fd83f0$@suddenlink.net> References: <016001d77063$e6548150$b2fd83f0$@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <0d455fc1-1089-c52c-6d79-e0be51eb6283@comcast.net> Did you break the clutch arm "axle" "pivot" whatever you call it. I did that once, my clutch arm actually fell out in the driveway. Gary On 7/3/2021 4:33 PM, Jerry Christopherson via Tigers wrote: > > OK all you ?gearheads?, let?s see who can figure this one out. As some > of you know I recently went completely through my engine (boiled block > rebalance, new bearings and rings etc,etc.). ?I put in a new clutch > 10.5? (Ram #88794HD) far more > > clutch than I ?need for a street car, It?s good for 450 ft. lbs. of > torque. ?My car is in the upper 300lbs of torque. The clutch requires > more movement than the stock master cylinder is capable of so I bought > a new master cylinder with larger bore > > (.700 stock is .625) as suggested by some of you.? That master worked > ok, but required a FULL depression of the clutch peddle to the floor > (I like midway release).? My adjustment is as far as I dare to keep > the throw-out bearing from staying in > > contact with the clutch fingers.? So I got about 80 miles of driving > since the overhaul (and getting a very strong left leg) and the clutch > started to not release, it would take several ?pumps? to get it in > gear, also to make a shift.? At times the clutch > > peddle would go to the floor with absolutely NO resistance what so > ever.? I had about 2 miles to get the car home. That was a real > thrill, at times I had to use the starter while in first gear to leave > a light or stop sign. ?Anyway? this having no peddle > > at times > > then having some peddle finally got me home.? At home I checked the > clutch fluid level thinking I had lost all fluid (kind of what it felt > like) but the level was still FULL! > > I found the problem, let see if any one of you can guess what I found > to be the problem. ?You won?t believe it!? 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URL: From coolvt at aol.com Sat Jul 3 18:12:52 2021 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60E0E971.9000802@austin.rr.com> References: <60E0E191.5070706@austin.rr.com> <795436134.210889919.1625351481058.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> <60E0E971.9000802@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1498905933.849991.1625357572968@mail.yahoo.com> I broke a line from the sending unit one time and to "get by" for a few weeks used a 1/4 NPT? plug from Home Depot.? Screwed in perfectly with no leaks.? When I put in a replacement sending unit it threaded in easily with no leaks.? So, I assume the threads were not damaged in any way by the NPT 1/4" plug.? Thus, I never saw any evidence that it wasn't 1/4". Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 6:49:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes:?I agree with you, but this is an original 260 and all of the tools to remove the fittings were matched whitworth sizes and the replacement part is a BSP 1/4 thread. Terry On 7/3/21, 5:31 PM, Theo Smit wrote:The block was threaded 1/4 NPT on the three or four engines I?ve dealt with. None of them were the original 260 but I don?t know why Ford would have threaded that engine differently.??Theo On Jul 3, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers wrote: ? Actually, I think it is a BSP 1/4 which is quite different from a 1/4 npt. That is what I am trying to clarify. Terry On 7/3/21, 3:42 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is 1/4"? good old American standard pipe thread.? Hope you don't have a problem because I think the fitting should have come out fairly easily.? Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes:?Hi Ron, ? It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? ? I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > ??? 1st -? I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > 2nd -? does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > top_parent=200001&year= > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > Tigers > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the > adapter. > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coolvt at aol.com Sat Jul 3 18:18:58 2021 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <795436134.210889919.1625351481058.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> References: <60E0E191.5070706@austin.rr.com> <795436134.210889919.1625351481058.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> Message-ID: <1045414947.1352766.1625357938466@mail.yahoo.com> Now I'm confused. Are we discussing the adapter for the angled oil filter or adapter for the oil pressure line?? Is there actually an adapter for the pressure line?? Been a while and can't remember.? Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 6:31:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, tsmit at shaw.ca writes:?The block was threaded 1/4 NPT on the three or four engines I?ve dealt with. None of them were the original 260 but I don?t know why Ford would have threaded that engine differently.??Theo On Jul 3, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers wrote: ? Actually, I think it is a BSP 1/4 which is quite different from a 1/4 npt. That is what I am trying to clarify. Terry On 7/3/21, 3:42 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is 1/4"? good old American standard pipe thread.? Hope you don't have a problem because I think the fitting should have come out fairly easily.? Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes:?Hi Ron, ? It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? ? I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > ??? 1st -? I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > 2nd -? does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > top_parent=200001&year= > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > Tigers > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the > adapter. > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coolvt at aol.com Sat Jul 3 18:20:32 2021 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <1498905933.849991.1625357572968@mail.yahoo.com> References: <60E0E191.5070706@austin.rr.com> <795436134.210889919.1625351481058.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> <60E0E971.9000802@austin.rr.com> <1498905933.849991.1625357572968@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1120016978.1132703.1625358032484@mail.yahoo.com> Okay, now someone explain. Is there an adapter that screws into the engine for the oil pressure line? Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 8:14:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?I broke a line from the sending unit one time and to "get by" for a few weeks used a 1/4 NPT? plug from Home Depot.? Screwed in perfectly with no leaks.? When I put in a replacement sending unit it threaded in easily with no leaks.? So, I assume the threads were not damaged in any way by the NPT 1/4" plug.? Thus, I never saw any evidence that it wasn't 1/4". Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 6:49:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes:?I agree with you, but this is an original 260 and all of the tools to remove the fittings were matched whitworth sizes and the replacement part is a BSP 1/4 thread. Terry On 7/3/21, 5:31 PM, Theo Smit wrote:The block was threaded 1/4 NPT on the three or four engines I?ve dealt with. None of them were the original 260 but I don?t know why Ford would have threaded that engine differently.??Theo On Jul 3, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers wrote: ? Actually, I think it is a BSP 1/4 which is quite different from a 1/4 npt. That is what I am trying to clarify. Terry On 7/3/21, 3:42 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is 1/4"? good old American standard pipe thread.? Hope you don't have a problem because I think the fitting should have come out fairly easily.? Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes:?Hi Ron, ? It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? ? I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > ??? 1st -? I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > 2nd -? does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > top_parent=200001&year= > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > Tigers > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the > adapter. > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 3 18:43:35 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 19:43:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <1120016978.1132703.1625358032484@mail.yahoo.com> References: <60E0E191.5070706@austin.rr.com> <795436134.210889919.1625351481058.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> <60E0E971.9000802@austin.rr.com> <1498905933.849991.1625357572968@mail.yahoo.com> <1120016978.1132703.1625358032484@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60E10437.4080304@austin.rr.com> Here is a photo of the adapter that was in my engine block. If you measure it with a micrometer, it measures a little bit larger than 1/2". Terry On 7/3/21, 7:20 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: > Okay, now someone explain. Is there an adapter that screws into the > engine for the oil pressure line? Mark L > > In a message dated 7/3/2021 8:14:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > I broke a line from the sending unit one time and to "get by" for a > few weeks used a 1/4 NPT plug from Home Depot. Screwed in perfectly > with no leaks. When I put in a replacement sending unit it threaded > in easily with no leaks. So, I assume the threads were not damaged in > any way by the NPT 1/4" plug. Thus, I never saw any evidence that it > wasn't 1/4". Mark L > > In a message dated 7/3/2021 6:49:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tlawell at austin.rr.com writes: > I agree with you, but this is an original 260 and all of the tools to > remove the fittings were matched whitworth sizes and the replacement > part is a BSP 1/4 thread. > > Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 5:31 PM, Theo Smit wrote: > The block was threaded 1/4 NPT on the three or four engines I?ve dealt > with. None of them were the original 260 but I don?t know why Ford > would have threaded that engine differently. > Theo > > On Jul 3, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers > wrote: > > Actually, I think it is a BSP 1/4 which is quite different from a 1/4 > npt. That is what I am trying to clarify. > > Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 3:42 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: > > Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is > 1/4" good old American standard pipe thread. Hope you don't have a > problem because I think the fitting should have come out fairly > easily. Mark L > > In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tlawell at austin.rr.com writes: > Hi Ron, > > It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales > person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and > it fits > correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was > the > oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil > pan. > Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? > I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure > gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line > fitting, > I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very > difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a > fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when > they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It > appears > to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth > wrenches to > get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block > off. Any > info on these fittings would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Terry > > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter > kit did > > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - > 3/4 x16 > > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > > > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > > top_parent=200001&year= > > > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > > Tigers > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing > and when it > > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, > though the > > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can > get the > > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" > threads to the > > adapter. > > > > Cheers, Terry > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of coolvt--- via Tigers Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 8:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; tlawell at austin.rr.com; tsmit at shaw.ca Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor Okay, now someone explain. Is there an adapter that screws into the engine for the oil pressure line? Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 8:14:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes: I broke a line from the sending unit one time and to "get by" for a few weeks used a 1/4 NPT plug from Home Depot. Screwed in perfectly with no leaks. When I put in a replacement sending unit it threaded in easily with no leaks. So, I assume the threads were not damaged in any way by the NPT 1/4" plug. Thus, I never saw any evidence that it wasn't 1/4". Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 6:49:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes: I agree with you, but this is an original 260 and all of the tools to remove the fittings were matched whitworth sizes and the replacement part is a BSP 1/4 thread. Terry On 7/3/21, 5:31 PM, Theo Smit wrote: The block was threaded 1/4 NPT on the three or four engines I?ve dealt with. None of them were the original 260 but I don?t know why Ford would have threaded that engine differently. Theo On Jul 3, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Terry Lawell via Tigers wrote: Actually, I think it is a BSP 1/4 which is quite different from a 1/4 npt. That is what I am trying to clarify. Terry On 7/3/21, 3:42 PM, coolvt at aol.com wrote: Terry, pretty sure that oil fitting that goes into the block is 1/4" good old American standard pipe thread. Hope you don't have a problem because I think the fitting should have come out fairly easily. Mark L In a message dated 7/3/2021 3:41:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlawell at austin.rr.com writes: Hi Ron, It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter & > top_parent=200001&year= > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > Tigers > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the > adapter. > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Sun Jul 4 16:07:00 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2021 17:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] oil gauge block adaptor In-Reply-To: <000e01d770ed$f377e540$da67afc0$@bluefrog.com> References: <000e01d770ed$f377e540$da67afc0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <60E23104.2030606@austin.rr.com> Ron, The fitting I pulled out has an NPT 1/4-18 on the block side and what appears to be a BSPP 1/4" on the line side. I bought a 1/4-18 tap and die from NAPA today and did some checking. The die fit on the fitting very easily and was still easy all the way to the base. The tap actually went into the block quite easily and then tightened towards the end of the tap. So the conclusion was there is nothing wrong with the fitting or the threads in the block. However, when I inserted the fitting into the block, it would progress about 4 threads before it stopped. I took it out and inserted a 1/4" MIP brass fitting into the block and it tightened down after about 7 threads. I pulled it out and measured the thread diameter at the point where it stopped. They were at about the same diameter reading but were at different depths on the fittings. It turns out my original fittings has a different taper than the brass fitting as well as being much thicker at the base end. I am thinking someone may have used an NPTF thread which gets crushed at insertion, is very hard to extract, and cannot be used again. This would address all of the symptoms I experienced while removing the fitting and trying to reinsert it back into the block. I am going to order a new fitting and see what happens. Thanks for doing additional research on it for me. Cheers, Terry On 7/4/21, 11:02 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Terry > > I did some more digging and I find there is a difference in the number > of threads per inch. > > NPTF > > 1/8? 27 threads/ inch > > ?? 18 > > BSPT > > 1/8? 28 threads/ inch > > ?? 19 > > So these 2 systems have threads that are not totally compatible or > interchangeable. > > I believe the tubing end of the adaptor is parallel thread. > > The threads per inch is the same for either system tapered or parallel. > > I would suggest measuring the part accurately is the only way to know > for sure. > > Ron Fraser > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Sun Jul 4 19:57:04 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2021 20:57:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60E266F0.3080802@austin.rr.com> Gary, The summit part numbers for the 90 degree oil filter adapter and the adapter to the block are listed below. I have also included a NAPA oil filter number that fits the adapter: 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 engine block adapter Dart 32940000 NAPA spin-on oil filter 27502 I hope this helps. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: > When you get this all figured out, how about > taking some pictures and giving us the > Summit part numbers. It?s way past the time > that I should have replaced the rubber hose > in my remote setup. > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 3, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Stu via Tigers >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the engine >> mount. >> >> On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell > > wrote: >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales >> person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and >> it fits >> correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem >> was the >> oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the >> oil pan. >> Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? >> I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure >> gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line >> fitting, >> I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very >> difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a >> fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when >> they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It >> appears >> to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth >> wrenches to >> get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block >> off. Any >> info on these fittings would be much appreciated. >> >> Cheers, Terry >> >> >> On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> > Terry >> > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil >> filter kit did >> > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. >> > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? >> > >> > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - >> 3/4 x16 >> > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread >> > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. >> > >> > >> https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& >> > top_parent=200001&year= >> > >> > see if 6890-A is the part you need. >> > >> > Ron Fraser >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tigers > > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via >> > Tigers >> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM >> > To: tigers at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> > >> > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing >> and when it >> > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, >> though the >> > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can >> get the >> > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" >> threads to the >> > adapter. >> > >> > Cheers, Terry >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers at autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Jul 5 07:53:33 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 06:53:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60E266F0.3080802@austin.rr.com> References: <60E266F0.3080802@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <64cb1600-d7f5-bf22-63b7-a298521608f6@comcast.net> Thank you Terry! Gary On 7/4/2021 6:57 PM, Terry Lawell wrote: > Gary, > > ?The summit part numbers for the 90 degree oil filter adapter and the > adapter to the block are listed below. I have also included a NAPA oil > filter number that fits the adapter: > > 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 > > engine block adapter ????? Dart 32940000 > > NAPA spin-on oil filter??? 27502 > > I hope this helps. > > Cheers, Terry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Jul 5 14:22:39 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 16:22:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <60E266F0.3080802@austin.rr.com> References: <60E266F0.3080802@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000a01d771db$816fe710$844fb530$@bluefrog.com> 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 FMS - That is the Ford Motorsport part number Just guessing but there is probably a Ford logo on the part. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2021 9:57 PM To: Gary Cc: Tiger Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor Gary, The summit part numbers for the 90 degree oil filter adapter and the adapter to the block are listed below. I have also included a NAPA oil filter number that fits the adapter: 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 engine block adapter Dart 32940000 NAPA spin-on oil filter 27502 I hope this helps. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: When you get this all figured out, how about taking some pictures and giving us the Summit part numbers. It?s way past the time that I should have replaced the rubber hose in my remote setup. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote: ? Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the engine mount. On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell > wrote: Hi Ron, It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any info on these fittings would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Terry > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter & > top_parent=200001&year= > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > Tigers > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the > adapter. > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Mon Jul 5 18:41:53 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2021 19:41:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <000a01d771db$816fe710$844fb530$@bluefrog.com> References: <60E266F0.3080802@austin.rr.com> <000a01d771db$816fe710$844fb530$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <60E3A6D1.2000000@austin.rr.com> I did not see one, but I did not look at it real close. Terry On 7/5/21, 3:22 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > 90 degree adapter *FMS-M-6880-B50* > > *FMS*- That is the Ford Motorsport part number > > Just guessing but there is probably a Ford logo on the part. > > Ron Fraser > > *From:*Tigers *On Behalf Of *Terry Lawell > *Sent:* Sunday, July 04, 2021 9:57 PM > *To:* Gary > *Cc:* Tiger Net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > Gary, > > The summit part numbers for the 90 degree oil filter adapter and the > adapter to the block are listed below. I have also included a NAPA oil > filter number that fits the adapter: > > 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 > > engine block adapter Dart 32940000 > > NAPA spin-on oil filter 27502 > > I hope this helps. > > Cheers, Terry > > > > On 7/3/21, 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: > > When you get this all figured out, how about > > taking some pictures and giving us the > > Summit part numbers. It?s way past the time > > that I should have replaced the rubber hose > > in my remote setup. > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jul 3, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Stu via Tigers > wrote: > > ? > > Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the > engine mount. > > On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell > > wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, > the sales > person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to > me and it fits > correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only > problem was the > oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against > the oil pan. > Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? > I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil > pressure > gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil > line fitting, > I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It > was very > difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone > either put a > fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the > threads when > they installed it. Do you know what size those threads > are? It appears > to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use > whitworth wrenches to > get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the > block off. Any > info on these fittings would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Terry > > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that > oil filter kit did > > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the > adaptor - 3/4 x16 > > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > > You need to check that this is correct for your oil > filter kit. > > > > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > > top_parent=200001&year= > > > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry > Lawell via > > Tigers > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit > Racing and when it > > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the > block, though the > > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where > I can get the > > adapter? 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URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Jul 5 20:03:38 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:03:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <000001d771f7$1d1c3e50$5754baf0$@verizon.net> References: <000001d771f7$1d1c3e50$5754baf0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Thanks Kirk. That seems to be the wrong instructions and I can?t see inside the boxes though. Any photos of the filter on the car? Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 5, 2021, at 4:40 PM, twotigers at verizon.net wrote: > > ? > I did the Ford Motorsport 90 degree adapter 30 years ago- part numbers may have changed, and I remember having to buy at least the block adapter bolt, but here are some pics of the packages and part numbers, as well as the instructions. Kirk > > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Monday, July 5, 2021 1:23 PM > To: 'Terry Lawell' ; 'Gary' > Cc: 'Tiger Net' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 > > FMS - That is the Ford Motorsport part number > > Just guessing but there is probably a Ford logo on the part. > > Ron Fraser > > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2021 9:57 PM > To: Gary > Cc: Tiger Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > Gary, > > The summit part numbers for the 90 degree oil filter adapter and the adapter to the block are listed below. I have also included a NAPA oil filter number that fits the adapter: > > 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 > > engine block adapter Dart 32940000 > > NAPA spin-on oil filter 27502 > > I hope this helps. > > Cheers, Terry > > > > > > > On 7/3/21, 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: > When you get this all figured out, how about > taking some pictures and giving us the > Summit part numbers. It?s way past the time > that I should have replaced the rubber hose > in my remote setup. > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 3, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote: > > ? > Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the engine mount. > > On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell wrote: > Hi Ron, > > It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales > person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits > correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the > oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. > Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? > I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure > gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, > I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very > difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a > fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when > they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears > to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to > get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any > info on these fittings would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Terry > > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did > > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 > > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. > > > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > > top_parent=200001&year= > > > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via > > Tigers > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it > > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the > > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the > > adapter? 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URL: From dave.barakat at icloud.com Mon Jul 5 23:41:16 2021 From: dave.barakat at icloud.com (Dave Barakat) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 22:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: References: <000001d771f7$1d1c3e50$5754baf0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: For what it is worth I did the right angle oil filter adapter M-6880-A50 and the block adapter ALL92003 from Summit. They worked great on my 260 with the PH 3600 filter > On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:03 PM, Gary wrote: > > Thanks Kirk. > That seems to be the wrong instructions > and I can?t see inside the boxes though. > Any photos of the filter on the car? > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 5, 2021, at 4:40 PM, twotigers at verizon.net wrote: >> >> ? >> I did the Ford Motorsport 90 degree adapter 30 years ago- part numbers may have changed, and I remember having to buy at least the block adapter bolt, but here are some pics of the packages and part numbers, as well as the instructions. Kirk >> >> From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser >> Sent: Monday, July 5, 2021 1:23 PM >> To: 'Terry Lawell' >; 'Gary' > >> Cc: 'Tiger Net' > >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> >> 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 >> >> FMS - That is the Ford Motorsport part number >> >> Just guessing but there is probably a Ford logo on the part. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell >> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2021 9:57 PM >> To: Gary > >> Cc: Tiger Net > >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> >> Gary, >> >> The summit part numbers for the 90 degree oil filter adapter and the adapter to the block are listed below. I have also included a NAPA oil filter number that fits the adapter: >> >> 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 >> >> engine block adapter Dart 32940000 >> >> NAPA spin-on oil filter 27502 >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Cheers, Terry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7/3/21, 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: >> When you get this all figured out, how about >> taking some pictures and giving us the >> Summit part numbers. It?s way past the time >> that I should have replaced the rubber hose >> in my remote setup. >> Gary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the engine mount. >> >> On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell > wrote: >> Hi Ron, >> >> It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, the sales >> person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to me and it fits >> correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only problem was the >> oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against the oil pan. >> Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? >> I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil pressure >> gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil line fitting, >> I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It was very >> difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone either put a >> fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the threads when >> they installed it. Do you know what size those threads are? It appears >> to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use whitworth wrenches to >> get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the block off. Any >> info on these fittings would be much appreciated. >> >> Cheers, Terry >> >> >> On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> > Terry >> > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that oil filter kit did >> > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. >> > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? >> > >> > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the adaptor - 3/4 x16 >> > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread >> > You need to check that this is correct for your oil filter kit. >> > >> > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& >> > top_parent=200001&year= >> > >> > see if 6890-A is the part you need. >> > >> > Ron Fraser >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via >> > Tigers >> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM >> > To: tigers at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor >> > >> > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit Racing and when it >> > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the block, though the >> > salesman told me it came with it. Does anyone know where I can get the >> > adapter? I think it is 1.16" threads to the block and 13/16" threads to the >> > adapter. >> > >> > Cheers, Terry >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers at autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave.barakat at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 9 16:14:07 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2021 17:14:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor In-Reply-To: <000a01d771db$816fe710$844fb530$@bluefrog.com> References: <60E266F0.3080802@austin.rr.com> <000a01d771db$816fe710$844fb530$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <60E8CA2F.7090207@austin.rr.com> All, I finally got the 90 degree oil filter in and repaired the oil line fittings with a brass fitting from MSC Industrial Supply (part # 87872255). The brass fitting has 1/4" NPTF threads with a sealer for the block side and a 3/16" fitting for the oil line side with a compression fitting. It appears to work perfectly and costs $8.50. So far everything seems to be working fine with no leaks. I want to thank you all for the great inputs and good learning experience on pipe threads - thanks again. Cheers, Terry On 7/5/21, 3:22 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > 90 degree adapter *FMS-M-6880-B50* > > *FMS*- That is the Ford Motorsport part number > > Just guessing but there is probably a Ford logo on the part. > > Ron Fraser > > *From:*Tigers *On Behalf Of *Terry Lawell > *Sent:* Sunday, July 04, 2021 9:57 PM > *To:* Gary > *Cc:* Tiger Net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > Gary, > > The summit part numbers for the 90 degree oil filter adapter and the > adapter to the block are listed below. I have also included a NAPA oil > filter number that fits the adapter: > > 90 degree adapter FMS-M-6880-B50 > > engine block adapter Dart 32940000 > > NAPA spin-on oil filter 27502 > > I hope this helps. > > Cheers, Terry > > > > On 7/3/21, 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: > > When you get this all figured out, how about > > taking some pictures and giving us the > > Summit part numbers. It?s way past the time > > that I should have replaced the rubber hose > > in my remote setup. > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jul 3, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Stu via Tigers > wrote: > > ? > > Yes, Fram ph3600 or Ford FL400 will fit without grinding the > engine mount. > > On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Terry Lawell > > wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > It turns out Summit had the right adapter for the kit, > the sales > person just didn't know it. They have sent the adapter to > me and it fits > correctly in the block as well as in the kit. The only > problem was the > oil filter they sent me was incorrect - it hits up against > the oil pan. > Is it the ph3600 that is slimmer and fits that kit? > I also found another problem - the oil line from the oil > pressure > gauge was cracked and leaking. when I disconnected the oil > line fitting, > I also took off the fitting that goes into the block. It > was very > difficult to get off and I am concerned that someone > either put a > fitting in there with the wrong threads or stripped the > threads when > they installed it. Do you know what size those threads > are? It appears > to be a british standard pipe thread. I had to use > whitworth wrenches to > get both the pressure fitting nut and the fitting to the > block off. Any > info on these fittings would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, Terry > > > On 7/3/21, 7:45 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Terry > > 1st - I would contact Summit to make sure that > oil filter kit did > > not come with an adaptor or if it is missing from your kit. > > 2nd - does Summit have the adaptor needed for this kit? > > > > C20Z 6890-C seems to be the Ford part number for the > adaptor - 3/4 x16 > > thread and 1 1/16 x 12 thread > > You need to check that this is correct for your oil > filter kit. > > > > > https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=fitting%2Boil%2Bfilter& > > top_parent=200001&year= > > > > see if 6890-A is the part you need. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry > Lawell via > > Tigers > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 8:34 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] 90 degree oil filter adaptor > > > > I purchased a 90 degree oil filter adapter from Summit > Racing and when it > > arrived I realized it did not have the adapter for the > block, though the > > salesman told me it came with it. 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URL: From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Jul 15 13:48:25 2021 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 14:48:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue In-Reply-To: <0d455fc1-1089-c52c-6d79-e0be51eb6283@comcast.net> References: <016001d77063$e6548150$b2fd83f0$@suddenlink.net> <0d455fc1-1089-c52c-6d79-e0be51eb6283@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001d779b2$695f45b0$3c1dd110$@suddenlink.net> Well I'm surprised that there weren't more people wondering what my problem was. Gary was the only one curious enough with some guesses. The problem was the seal inside the clutch master cylinder, the one that covers the recuperation hole in the very end of the cylinder bore (#4 in the blow up of the clutch cylinder exploded view in the green manual). Somehow it had failed as you can see in the photograph. The question is how and why did it fail, I have some ideas, but won't go into them now, but I think it had to do with the machining at the factory that caused it. I think I have solved the problem, but we will see. By the way the reason the clutch peddle went to the floor is because the fluid was going back up into the reservoir. Jerry That is a toothpick holding it open. The company has sent me new seals. From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 6:50 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue Did you break the clutch arm "axle" "pivot" whatever you call it. I did that once, my clutch arm actually fell out in the driveway. Gary On 7/3/2021 4:33 PM, Jerry Christopherson via Tigers wrote: OK all you "gearheads", let's see who can figure this one out. As some of you know I recently went completely through my engine (boiled block rebalance, new bearings and rings etc,etc.). I put in a new clutch 10.5" (Ram #88794HD) far more clutch than I need for a street car, It's good for 450 ft. lbs. of torque. My car is in the upper 300lbs of torque. The clutch requires more movement than the stock master cylinder is capable of so I bought a new master cylinder with larger bore (.700 stock is .625) as suggested by some of you. That master worked ok, but required a FULL depression of the clutch peddle to the floor (I like midway release). My adjustment is as far as I dare to keep the throw-out bearing from staying in contact with the clutch fingers. So I got about 80 miles of driving since the overhaul (and getting a very strong left leg) and the clutch started to not release, it would take several "pumps" to get it in gear, also to make a shift. At times the clutch peddle would go to the floor with absolutely NO resistance what so ever. I had about 2 miles to get the car home. That was a real thrill, at times I had to use the starter while in first gear to leave a light or stop sign. Anyway this having no peddle at times then having some peddle finally got me home. At home I checked the clutch fluid level thinking I had lost all fluid (kind of what it felt like) but the level was still FULL! I found the problem, let see if any one of you can guess what I found to be the problem. You won't believe it! I'll tell the story after some of your guesses. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC Insp. #58 _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36663 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 15:37:38 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 14:37:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue In-Reply-To: <000001d779b2$695f45b0$3c1dd110$@suddenlink.net> References: <016001d77063$e6548150$b2fd83f0$@suddenlink.net> <0d455fc1-1089-c52c-6d79-e0be51eb6283@comcast.net> <000001d779b2$695f45b0$3c1dd110$@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: It looks like it was damaged when it was installed. Where it is broken should not be touching anything, no?? Unless it was the end of the bore, jagged metal down there? Did you really jam down on the pedal after it hit the end?? The pedal hits the firewall before that I think... Did you forget the spacer piece between the cylinder and firewall? Gary On 7/15/2021 12:48 PM, Jerry Christopherson wrote: > > Well I?m surprised that there weren?t more people wondering what my > problem was. Gary was the only one curious enough with some guesses.? > The problem was the seal inside the clutch master cylinder, the one > that covers the recuperation hole in the very end of the cylinder bore > (#4 in the blow up of the clutch cylinder exploded view in the green > manual). ?Somehow it had failed as you can see in the photograph. The > question is how and why did it fail, I have some ideas, but won?t go > into them now, but I think it had to do with the machining at the > factory that caused it.? I think I have solved the problem, but we > will see. > > By the way the reason the clutch peddle went to the floor is because > the fluid was going back up into the reservoir. > > Jerry > > That is a toothpick holding it open. The company has sent me new seals. > > *From:*Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Gary > *Sent:* Saturday, July 03, 2021 6:50 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue > > Did you break the clutch arm "axle" "pivot" whatever you call it. > I did that once, my clutch arm actually fell out in the driveway. > Gary > > On 7/3/2021 4:33 PM, Jerry Christopherson via Tigers wrote: > > OK all you ?gearheads?, let?s see who can figure this one out.? As > some of you know I recently went completely through my engine > (boiled block rebalance, new bearings and rings etc,etc.). ?I put > in a new clutch 10.5? (Ram #88794HD) far more > > clutch than I ?need for a street car, It?s good for 450 ft. lbs. > of torque. ?My car is in the upper 300lbs of torque. The clutch > requires more movement than the stock master cylinder is capable > of so I bought a new master cylinder with larger bore > > (.700 stock is .625) as suggested by some of you.? That master > worked ok, but required a FULL depression of the clutch peddle to > the floor (I like midway release).? My adjustment is as far as I > dare to keep the throw-out bearing from staying in > > contact with the clutch fingers.? So I got about 80 miles of > driving since the overhaul (and getting a very strong left leg) > and the clutch started to not release, it would take several > ?pumps? to get it in gear, also to make a shift. At times the clutch > > peddle would go to the floor with absolutely NO resistance what so > ever.? I had about 2 miles to get the car home. That was a real > thrill, at times I had to use the starter while in first gear to > leave a light or stop sign. ?Anyway? this having no peddle > > at times > > then having some peddle finally got me home.? At home I checked > the clutch fluid level thinking I had lost all fluid (kind of what > it felt like) but the level was still FULL! > > I found the problem, let see if any one of you can guess what I > found to be the problem. ?You won?t believe it! I?ll tell the > story after some of your guesses. > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > > TAC Insp. #58 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36663 bytes Desc: not available URL: From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Jul 15 17:16:36 2021 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:16:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue In-Reply-To: References: <016001d77063$e6548150$b2fd83f0$@suddenlink.net> <0d455fc1-1089-c52c-6d79-e0be51eb6283@comcast.net> <000001d779b2$695f45b0$3c1dd110$@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <001501d779cf$774b1740$65e145c0$@suddenlink.net> Lots of good questions Gary. It could very well have been damaged during installation at the factory. I never took it apart before installing it so don't know. Nothing jagged at the end of the bore (but there was an issue down there). Yes, the peddle hits the floor before the piston bottoms out. And I do have the spacer installed. The part of the seal that touches the very end of the bore is the flat end lip of the seal, it goes up against the recuperation hole and keeps fluid from going up into the reservoir when the peddle is pushed in and forcing all the fluid to the slave cylinder. Here is what I "think" the issue was; At the very bottom of the bore where the recuperation hole is, there "was" an area that wasn't machined deep enough to have clean machining all the way around the hole. An area just about the size of the inner part of the seal hadn't been machined, it was a few thousands lower than the machining around the outside (a slight pocket if you will). That, I think, caused the rubber seal to "buckle under" with the very high pressure (could be over 1000psi). If you have seen my video of the overhaul of the brake booster you can see at the end of the video where I put pressure gauges on the brake output and you can see the pressure of 1500lbs from the brake master cylinder (same principle as the clutch master). What I did was to "grind" the bottom of the bore with a wood dowel that I put some sand paper on the end and spun it to take the higher area around the hole down to the hole, only a few thousands of an inch, now the seal has a flat surface to seal against. So far its working, but we'll see. Coolvt, how in the world did you have this problem for so long?? Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC Insp. #58 From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 4:38 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue It looks like it was damaged when it was installed. Where it is broken should not be touching anything, no? Unless it was the end of the bore, jagged metal down there? Did you really jam down on the pedal after it hit the end? The pedal hits the firewall before that I think... Did you forget the spacer piece between the cylinder and firewall? Gary On 7/15/2021 12:48 PM, Jerry Christopherson wrote: Well I'm surprised that there weren't more people wondering what my problem was. Gary was the only one curious enough with some guesses. The problem was the seal inside the clutch master cylinder, the one that covers the recuperation hole in the very end of the cylinder bore (#4 in the blow up of the clutch cylinder exploded view in the green manual). Somehow it had failed as you can see in the photograph. The question is how and why did it fail, I have some ideas, but won't go into them now, but I think it had to do with the machining at the factory that caused it. I think I have solved the problem, but we will see. By the way the reason the clutch peddle went to the floor is because the fluid was going back up into the reservoir. Jerry That is a toothpick holding it open. The company has sent me new seals. From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2021 6:50 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue Did you break the clutch arm "axle" "pivot" whatever you call it. I did that once, my clutch arm actually fell out in the driveway. Gary On 7/3/2021 4:33 PM, Jerry Christopherson via Tigers wrote: OK all you "gearheads", let's see who can figure this one out. As some of you know I recently went completely through my engine (boiled block rebalance, new bearings and rings etc,etc.). I put in a new clutch 10.5" (Ram #88794HD) far more clutch than I need for a street car, It's good for 450 ft. lbs. of torque. My car is in the upper 300lbs of torque. The clutch requires more movement than the stock master cylinder is capable of so I bought a new master cylinder with larger bore (.700 stock is .625) as suggested by some of you. That master worked ok, but required a FULL depression of the clutch peddle to the floor (I like midway release). My adjustment is as far as I dare to keep the throw-out bearing from staying in contact with the clutch fingers. So I got about 80 miles of driving since the overhaul (and getting a very strong left leg) and the clutch started to not release, it would take several "pumps" to get it in gear, also to make a shift. At times the clutch peddle would go to the floor with absolutely NO resistance what so ever. I had about 2 miles to get the car home. That was a real thrill, at times I had to use the starter while in first gear to leave a light or stop sign. Anyway this having no peddle at times then having some peddle finally got me home. At home I checked the clutch fluid level thinking I had lost all fluid (kind of what it felt like) but the level was still FULL! I found the problem, let see if any one of you can guess what I found to be the problem. You won't believe it! I'll tell the story after some of your guesses. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC Insp. #58 _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36663 bytes Desc: not available URL: From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Jul 16 07:46:58 2021 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 06:46:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions Message-ID: <000501d77a49$0d72af20$28580d60$@mayfco.com> I have owned my Tiger since Jan 1967, bought it used. Has been sitting quietly now for quite a number of years. And I want to drive it a bit more now. But carbs are so old fashioned, lol. So, seeking information from the groups experiences, those owners who have replaced the carb with an electronic injected version: either 2 bbl or f bbl versions. If 2 bbl then I would just use the cast iron intake manifold. If 4 bbl I need to know which is best for a bone stock 260 cid which so far in my ownership has never been apart. I tend to lean toward a 4 bbl version as I have a 5 bolt 289 with some performance capability and I would need to buy a manifold for that. I also have my 260 LSR motor which has the full treatment and is a real race motor. So, seeking real world experience on what and which brands are most user friendly while putting out power for driving around, having some fun (again). Larry, mayf, drmayf etc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Fri Jul 16 09:06:14 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 08:06:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue In-Reply-To: References: <016001d77063$e6548150$b2fd83f0$@suddenlink.net> <0d455fc1-1089-c52c-6d79-e0be51eb6283@comcast.net> <000001d779b2$695f45b0$3c1dd110$@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <79dd4028-5972-6577-941b-2ba0afc90e8c@comcast.net> Very good Jerry! Tricky problem, hope it stays fixed. Gary On 7/15/2021 2:37 PM, Gary wrote: > It looks like it was damaged when it was installed. > Where it is broken should not be touching anything, no?? Unless it was > the end of the bore, jagged metal down there? > Did you really jam down on the pedal after it hit the end?? The pedal > hits the firewall before that I think... > Did you forget the spacer piece between the cylinder and firewall? > Gary > > > On 7/15/2021 12:48 PM, Jerry Christopherson wrote: >> >> Well I?m surprised that there weren?t more people wondering what my >> problem was. Gary was the only one curious enough with some guesses.? >> The problem was the seal inside the clutch master cylinder, the one >> that covers the recuperation hole in the very end of the cylinder >> bore (#4 in the blow up of the clutch cylinder exploded view in the >> green manual). ?Somehow it had failed as you can see in the >> photograph.? The question is how and why did it fail, I have some >> ideas, but won?t go into them now, but I think it had to do with the >> machining at the factory that caused it.? I think I have solved the >> problem, but we will see. >> >> By the way the reason the clutch peddle went to the floor is because >> the fluid was going back up into the reservoir. >> >> Jerry >> >> That is a toothpick holding it open. The company has sent me new seals. >> >> *From:*Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Gary >> *Sent:* Saturday, July 03, 2021 6:50 PM >> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net >> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue >> >> Did you break the clutch arm "axle" "pivot" whatever you call it. >> I did that once, my clutch arm actually fell out in the driveway. >> Gary >> >> On 7/3/2021 4:33 PM, Jerry Christopherson via Tigers wrote: >> >> OK all you ?gearheads?, let?s see who can figure this one out.? >> As some of you know I recently went completely through my engine >> (boiled block rebalance, new bearings and rings etc,etc.). ?I put >> in a new clutch 10.5? (Ram #88794HD) far more >> >> clutch than I ?need for a street car, It?s good for 450 ft. lbs. >> of torque. ?My car is in the upper 300lbs of torque. The clutch >> requires more movement than the stock master cylinder is capable >> of so I bought a new master cylinder with larger bore >> >> (.700 stock is .625) as suggested by some of you.? That master >> worked ok, but required a FULL depression of the clutch peddle to >> the floor (I like midway release).? My adjustment is as far as I >> dare to keep the throw-out bearing from staying in >> >> contact with the clutch fingers.? So I got about 80 miles of >> driving since the overhaul (and getting a very strong left leg) >> and the clutch started to not release, it would take several >> ?pumps? to get it in gear, also to make a shift.? At times the >> clutch >> >> peddle would go to the floor with absolutely NO resistance what >> so ever.? I had about 2 miles to get the car home. That was a >> real thrill, at times I had to use the starter while in first >> gear to leave a light or stop sign. ?Anyway? this having no peddle >> >> at times >> >> then having some peddle finally got me home.? At home I checked >> the clutch fluid level thinking I had lost all fluid (kind of >> what it felt like) but the level was still FULL! >> >> I found the problem, let see if any one of you can guess what I >> found to be the problem. ?You won?t believe it! I?ll tell the >> story after some of your guesses. >> >> Jerry Christopherson >> >> 9473187 >> >> TAC Insp. #58 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are some links: Here's the first episode of Brad Phillips 289 engine swap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWYRPH24Bw&list=WL&index=2&t=26s Here's the Hagerty time-lapse video of the engine rebuild: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVtrnxx3rTE&t=0s There is a Youtube video of a dyno test of the engine with and without EFI. So far I haven't found a link to it. I have been making plans to make my car "EFI-ready". That is, I want to have a plan for each aspect of the conversion. Current plan is to replace the OEM fuel pump with the high pressure pump and to house pump and pre and post filters in the same area as previously housed the OEM pump. I have made up a heat shield for the right-side muffler to keep from roasting the pump. Fuel return line will go into the top of the right fuel tank. I can provide pictures of the return line fittings if you are interested. I will be doing my own harness. The Holley harness is bass ackwards for a Tiger, assuming battery up front. Fuel relay and fuses for fuel pump and EFI will be located with the pump. Anticipating that the fuel pump and injectors will want to suck more current than the OEM generator can provide, I have done an alternator conversion. I already have a wide band O2 sensor installed for a PLX O2 readout so the O2 sensor is already there. Control of distributor advance is optional with the Sniper so I don't plan to do opt for that initially. Someday I would like to add it though. Should improve driveability and maybe performance. Like I said, I want to make the car "EFI-ready" . Don't know if I will actually do the conversion, but I want to at least have it thought out so that I can get there from here if I decide to. Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.com On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:46 AM Larry Mayfield via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > I have owned my Tiger since Jan 1967, bought it used. Has been sitting > quietly now for quite a number of years. And I want to drive it a bit more > now. But carbs are so old fashioned, lol. So, seeking information from the > groups experiences, those owners who have replaced the carb with an > electronic injected version: either 2 bbl or f bbl versions. If 2 bbl then > I would just use the cast iron intake manifold. If 4 bbl I need to know > which is best for a bone stock 260 cid which so far in my ownership has > never been apart. I tend to lean toward a 4 bbl version as I have a 5 bolt > 289 with some performance capability and I would need to buy a manifold for > that. I also have my 260 LSR motor which has the full treatment and is a > real race motor. So, seeking real world experience on what and which > brands are most user friendly while putting out power for driving around, > having some fun (again). > > > > Larry, mayf, drmayf etc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers at embarqmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tsmit at shaw.ca Fri Jul 16 20:27:51 2021 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 20:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions In-Reply-To: References: <000501d77a49$0d72af20$28580d60$@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <2083452070.255161605.1626488871873.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Will and Mayf, I ran my Tiger with a BossEFI 4-barrel throttle body injection system for about six or seven years. This is the system that got acquired (or at least rebranded and marketed) by Professional Products. The version I had, still had the ECU separately mounted in the passenger compartment; later versions had the electronics all integrated in the throttle body assembly. This simplifies the wiring but subjects the electronics to the under-hood heat, which is maybe not a great idea. When I bought my crate motor, it came with a carb and so far I have not put the BossEFI back on yet. The programming interface for the BossEFI system was ... not great. It came with a number of pre-built maps, but it was not easy to tweak in a logical way, and especially its integration of air/fuel ratio feedback and timing control was just weird. The car ran fine at WOT but the part throttle operation was not easy to get right. This is partially because the Tiger will run all day at really small throttle openings, and so you're always tuning just a hair off the idle settings. I'm not sure if a throttle body that had the injectors below the throttle plates would be better in that regard. If / when I get time to go back to playing with that setup again, I may look at using a third party EFI controller (such as Megasquirt, if they are still making stuff that can be adapted to any generic injector), rather than going back to 2003 era user interface and controls. To set the car up for the EFI system, I took many of the same steps that Will did. I plumbed a 3/8 inch feed and return line from the back of the car to the firewall and mounted a regulator on the firewall. I initially used a high volume canister filter as a sort of surge can, but currently I have the (stock) feed from the tank running about 12 inches forward, to a low pressure pre-filter. Then the return line is teed in, and we go to the fuel pump and then the high-pressure post filter. Those three pieces are all mounted under the trunk, behind the Alpine spare tire well. I'm running a Denso 70 amp alternator that is small enough to tuck ahead of the right cylinder head, still preserving the stock fan belt line. I also have a Plex wideband O2 sensor mounted in the right header collector. To convert back to the carburetor, I just swapped the 45 PSI regulator out for one that would not flood the Holley carb's needle/seat. The (high pressure) fuel pump just ends up circulating the fuel through the return line, if there is any excess volume. Cheers, Theo From: "tigers" To: "Larry Mayfield" Cc: "tigers" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:38:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions Mayf, I got the EFI bug some time ago when I saw a series of Hagerty Youtube videos in which a Fairlane (5-bolt) 289 was rebuilt to a 289 HiPO-ish state and then put it in Brad Phillips Tiger. The plan was to do the engine swap and get the engine going with a Holley 4BBL setup and then switch the 4BBL for a Holley Sniper EFI throttle-body unit. Brad got his Tiger going with the 4BBL setup but, to my knowledge, never did the Sniper install. Brad's engine swap was recorded in a series of 12 Youtube videos. Here are some links: Here's the first episode of Brad Phillips 289 engine swap: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWYRPH24Bw&list=WL&index=2&t=26s | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWYRPH24Bw&list=WL&index=2&t=26s ] Here's the Hagerty time-lapse video of the engine rebuild: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVtrnxx3rTE&t=0s | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVtrnxx3rTE&t=0s ] There is a Youtube video of a dyno test of the engine with and without EFI. So far I haven't found a link to it. I have been making plans to make my car "EFI-ready". That is, I want to have a plan for each aspect of the conversion. Current plan is to replace the OEM fuel pump with the high pressure pump and to house pump and pre and post filters in the same area as previously housed the OEM pump. I have made up a heat shield for the right-side muffler to keep from roasting the pump. Fuel return line will go into the top of the right fuel tank. I can provide pictures of the return line fittings if you are interested. I will be doing my own harness. The Holley harness is bass ackwards for a Tiger, assuming battery up front. Fuel relay and fuses for fuel pump and EFI will be located with the pump. Anticipating that the fuel pump and injectors will want to suck more current than the OEM generator can provide, I have done an alternator conversion. I already have a wide band O2 sensor installed for a PLX O2 readout so the O2 sensor is already there. Control of distributor advance is optional with the Sniper so I don't plan to do opt for that initially. Someday I would like to add it though. Should improve driveability and maybe performance. Like I said, I want to make the car "EFI-ready" . Don't know if I will actually do the conversion, but I want to at least have it thought out so that I can get there from here if I decide to. Will - 382001570 [ mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com | Tigers at embarqmail.com ] On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:46 AM Larry Mayfield via Tigers < [ mailto:tigers at autox.team.net | tigers at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I have owned my Tiger since Jan 1967, bought it used. Has been sitting quietly now for quite a number of years. And I want to drive it a bit more now. But carbs are so old fashioned, lol. So, seeking information from the groups experiences, those owners who have replaced the carb with an electronic injected version: either 2 bbl or f bbl versions. If 2 bbl then I would just use the cast iron intake manifold. If 4 bbl I need to know which is best for a bone stock 260 cid which so far in my ownership has never been apart. I tend to lean toward a 4 bbl version as I have a 5 bolt 289 with some performance capability and I would need to buy a manifold for that. I also have my 260 LSR motor which has the full treatment and is a real race motor. So, seeking real world experience on what and which brands are most user friendly while putting out power for driving around, having some fun (again). 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URL: From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jul 17 12:58:58 2021 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 11:58:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions In-Reply-To: <2083452070.255161605.1626488871873.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <000501d77a49$0d72af20$28580d60$@mayfco.com> <2083452070.255161605.1626488871873.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <002301d77b3d$cf5cb5a0$6e1620e0$@mayfco.com> Theo, interesting points you make. And I have not heard Megasquirt is a long while! Why not consider a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ ? Certainly enough brainpower. An arduino might work also and it could handle it as well. While I was thinking of a carb setup type of FI, a SEFI might be just as good if implemented correctly. Or even a large throttle bore with direct injection. Think I will look around and see if anyone has made a DIY EFI system using any of this stuff. Thanks for reminding me? Mayf TWFS From: Theo Smit Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 7:28 PM To: Will Seay Cc: Larry Mayfield ; tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions Will and Mayf, I ran my Tiger with a BossEFI 4-barrel throttle body injection system for about six or seven years. This is the system that got acquired (or at least rebranded and marketed) by Professional Products. The version I had, still had the ECU separately mounted in the passenger compartment; later versions had the electronics all integrated in the throttle body assembly. This simplifies the wiring but subjects the electronics to the under-hood heat, which is maybe not a great idea. When I bought my crate motor, it came with a carb and so far I have not put the BossEFI back on yet. The programming interface for the BossEFI system was ... not great. It came with a number of pre-built maps, but it was not easy to tweak in a logical way, and especially its integration of air/fuel ratio feedback and timing control was just weird. The car ran fine at WOT but the part throttle operation was not easy to get right. This is partially because the Tiger will run all day at really small throttle openings, and so you're always tuning just a hair off the idle settings. I'm not sure if a throttle body that had the injectors below the throttle plates would be better in that regard. If / when I get time to go back to playing with that setup again, I may look at using a third party EFI controller (such as Megasquirt, if they are still making stuff that can be adapted to any generic injector), rather than going back to 2003 era user interface and controls. To set the car up for the EFI system, I took many of the same steps that Will did. I plumbed a 3/8 inch feed and return line from the back of the car to the firewall and mounted a regulator on the firewall. I initially used a high volume canister filter as a sort of surge can, but currently I have the (stock) feed from the tank running about 12 inches forward, to a low pressure pre-filter. Then the return line is teed in, and we go to the fuel pump and then the high-pressure post filter. Those three pieces are all mounted under the trunk, behind the Alpine spare tire well. I'm running a Denso 70 amp alternator that is small enough to tuck ahead of the right cylinder head, still preserving the stock fan belt line. I also have a Plex wideband O2 sensor mounted in the right header collector. To convert back to the carburetor, I just swapped the 45 PSI regulator out for one that would not flood the Holley carb's needle/seat. The (high pressure) fuel pump just ends up circulating the fuel through the return line, if there is any excess volume. Cheers, Theo _____ From: "tigers" > To: "Larry Mayfield" > Cc: "tigers" > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:38:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions Mayf, I got the EFI bug some time ago when I saw a series of Hagerty Youtube videos in which a Fairlane (5-bolt) 289 was rebuilt to a 289 HiPO-ish state and then put it in Brad Phillips Tiger. The plan was to do the engine swap and get the engine going with a Holley 4BBL setup and then switch the 4BBL for a Holley Sniper EFI throttle-body unit. Brad got his Tiger going with the 4BBL setup but, to my knowledge, never did the Sniper install. Brad's engine swap was recorded in a series of 12 Youtube videos. Here are some links: Here's the first episode of Brad Phillips 289 engine swap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWYRPH24Bw &list=WL&index=2&t=26s Here's the Hagerty time-lapse video of the engine rebuild: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVtrnxx3rTE &t=0s There is a Youtube video of a dyno test of the engine with and without EFI. So far I haven't found a link to it. I have been making plans to make my car "EFI-ready". That is, I want to have a plan for each aspect of the conversion. Current plan is to replace the OEM fuel pump with the high pressure pump and to house pump and pre and post filters in the same area as previously housed the OEM pump. I have made up a heat shield for the right-side muffler to keep from roasting the pump. Fuel return line will go into the top of the right fuel tank. I can provide pictures of the return line fittings if you are interested. I will be doing my own harness. The Holley harness is bass ackwards for a Tiger, assuming battery up front. Fuel relay and fuses for fuel pump and EFI will be located with the pump. Anticipating that the fuel pump and injectors will want to suck more current than the OEM generator can provide, I have done an alternator conversion. I already have a wide band O2 sensor installed for a PLX O2 readout so the O2 sensor is already there. Control of distributor advance is optional with the Sniper so I don't plan to do opt for that initially. Someday I would like to add it though. Should improve driveability and maybe performance. Like I said, I want to make the car "EFI-ready" . Don't know if I will actually do the conversion, but I want to at least have it thought out so that I can get there from here if I decide to. Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.com On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:46 AM Larry Mayfield via Tigers > wrote: I have owned my Tiger since Jan 1967, bought it used. Has been sitting quietly now for quite a number of years. And I want to drive it a bit more now. But carbs are so old fashioned, lol. So, seeking information from the groups experiences, those owners who have replaced the carb with an electronic injected version: either 2 bbl or f bbl versions. If 2 bbl then I would just use the cast iron intake manifold. If 4 bbl I need to know which is best for a bone stock 260 cid which so far in my ownership has never been apart. I tend to lean toward a 4 bbl version as I have a 5 bolt 289 with some performance capability and I would need to buy a manifold for that. I also have my 260 LSR motor which has the full treatment and is a real race motor. So, seeking real world experience on what and which brands are most user friendly while putting out power for driving around, having some fun (again). 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URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Jul 17 13:07:52 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:07:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions In-Reply-To: <002301d77b3d$cf5cb5a0$6e1620e0$@mayfco.com> References: <000501d77a49$0d72af20$28580d60$@mayfco.com> <2083452070.255161605.1626488871873.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <002301d77b3d$cf5cb5a0$6e1620e0$@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <54b39526-e94c-d685-db8c-31a67e86af24@comcast.net> Hi Mayf, ?Lookup Speeduino.?? Arduino Mega? can do it. ?I was working on that for a GM 2bbl TBI a few years ago.. and got distracted. ?I may be able to get re-invigorated if someone else is working on it... Gary On 7/17/2021 11:58 AM, Larry Mayfield via Tigers wrote: > > Theo, interesting points you make. And I have not heard ?Megasquirt is > a long while! Why not consider a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ ? Certainly enough > brainpower. An arduino might ?work also and it could handle it as > well. While I was thinking of a carb setup type of FI, a SEFI might be > just as good if implemented correctly. Or even a large throttle bore > with direct injection. Think I will look around and see if anyone has > made a DIY EFI system using any of this stuff. > > Thanks for reminding me? > > Mayf > > TWFS > > *From:* Theo Smit > *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2021 7:28 PM > *To:* Will Seay > *Cc:* Larry Mayfield ; tigers > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions > > Will and Mayf, > > I ran my Tiger with a BossEFI 4-barrel throttle body injection system > for about six or seven years. This is the system that got acquired (or > at least rebranded and marketed) by Professional Products. > > The version I had, still had the ECU separately mounted in the > passenger compartment; later versions had the electronics all > integrated in the throttle body assembly. This simplifies the wiring > but subjects the electronics to the under-hood heat, which is maybe > not a great idea. > > When I bought my crate motor, it came with a carb and so far I have > not put the BossEFI back on yet. The programming interface for the > BossEFI system was ... not great. It came with a number of pre-built > maps, but it was not easy to tweak in a logical way, and especially > its integration of air/fuel ratio feedback and timing control was just > weird. The car ran fine at WOT but the part throttle operation was not > easy to get right. This is partially because the Tiger will run all > day at really small throttle openings, and so you're always tuning > just a hair off the idle settings. I'm not sure if a throttle body > that had the injectors below the throttle plates would be better in > that regard. > > If / when I get time to go back to playing with that setup again, I > may look at using a third party EFI controller (such as Megasquirt, if > they are still making stuff that can be adapted to any generic > injector), rather than going back to 2003 era user interface and controls. > > To set the car up for the EFI system, I took many of the same steps > that Will did. I plumbed a 3/8 inch feed and return line from the back > of the car to the firewall and mounted a regulator on the firewall. I > initially used a high volume canister filter as a sort of surge can, > but currently I have the (stock) feed from the tank running about 12 > inches forward, to a low pressure pre-filter. Then the return line is > teed in, and we go to the fuel pump and then the high-pressure post > filter. Those three pieces are all mounted under the trunk, behind the > Alpine spare tire well. > > I'm running a Denso 70 amp alternator that is small enough to tuck > ahead of the right cylinder head, still preserving the stock fan belt > line. I also have a Plex wideband O2 sensor mounted in the right > header collector. > > To convert back to the carburetor, I just swapped the 45 PSI regulator > out for one that would not flood the Holley carb's needle/seat. The > (high pressure) fuel pump just ends up circulating the fuel through > the return line, if there is any excess volume. > > Cheers, > > Theo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: *"tigers" > > *To: *"Larry Mayfield" > > *Cc: *"tigers" > > *Sent: *Friday, July 16, 2021 3:38:16 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions > > Mayf, > > I got the EFI bug some time ago when I saw a series of Hagerty > Youtube?videos in which a Fairlane (5-bolt) 289 was rebuilt to a 289 > HiPO-ish state and then put it in Brad Phillips?Tiger.? The plan was > to do the engine swap and get the engine going with a Holley 4BBL > setup and then switch the 4BBL for a Holley Sniper EFI throttle-body > unit.? Brad got his Tiger going with the 4BBL setup but, to my > knowledge, never did the Sniper install.? Brad's engine swap was > recorded in a series of 12 Youtube videos.? Here are some links: > > Here's the first episode of Brad Phillips 289 engine swap: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWYRPH24Bw&list=WL&index=2&t=26s > > > Here's the Hagerty time-lapse video of the engine rebuild: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVtrnxx3rTE&t=0s > > > There is a Youtube video of a dyno test of the engine with and without > EFI.? So far I haven't found a link to it. > > I have been making plans to make my car "EFI-ready". That is, I want > to have a plan for each aspect of the conversion.? Current plan is to > replace the OEM fuel pump with the high pressure pump and to house > pump and pre and post filters in the same area as previously housed > the OEM pump.? I have made up a heat shield for the right-side muffler > to keep from roasting the pump.? Fuel return line will go into the top > of the right fuel tank.? I can provide pictures of the return line > fittings if you are interested.? I will be doing my own harness.? The > Holley harness is bass ackwards for a Tiger, assuming battery up > front.? Fuel relay and fuses for fuel pump and EFI will be > located?with the pump. Anticipating that the fuel pump and injectors > will want to suck more current than the OEM generator can provide, I > have done an alternator conversion.? I already have a wide band O2 > sensor installed for a PLX O2 readout so the O2 sensor is already > there. Control of distributor advance is optional with the Sniper so I > don't plan to do opt for that initially.? Someday I would like to add > it though. Should improve driveability and maybe performance. > > Like I said, I want to make the car "EFI-ready" .? Don't know if I > will actually do the conversion, but I want to at least have it > thought out so that I can get there from here if I decide to. > > Will - 382001570 > Tigers at embarqmail.com > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:46 AM Larry Mayfield via Tigers > > wrote: > > I have ?owned my Tiger since Jan 1967, bought it used.? Has been > sitting quietly now for quite a number of years. And I want to > drive it a bit more now. But carbs are so old fashioned, lol. So, > seeking information from the groups experiences, those owners who > have replaced the carb with an electronic injected version: either > 2 bbl or f bbl versions. If 2 bbl then I would just use the cast > iron intake manifold. If 4 bbl I need to know which is best for a > bone stock 260 cid which so far in my ownership? has never been > apart.? I tend to lean toward a 4 bbl version as I have a 5 bolt > 289 with some performance capability and I would need to buy a > manifold for that.? I also have my 260 LSR motor which has the > full treatment and is a real race motor. ??So, seeking real world > experience on what and which brands are most user friendly while > putting out power for driving around, having some fun (again). > > Larry, mayf, drmayf etc > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers at embarqmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit at shaw.ca > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Jul 17 17:32:59 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 19:32:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions In-Reply-To: <54b39526-e94c-d685-db8c-31a67e86af24@comcast.net> References: <000501d77a49$0d72af20$28580d60$@mayfco.com> <2083452070.255161605.1626488871873.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <002301d77b3d$cf5cb5a0$6e1620e0$@mayfco.com> <54b39526-e94c-d685-db8c-31a67e86af24@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201d77b64$15136e60$3f3a4b20$@bluefrog.com> Seems to me I saw an article about the different EFI assemblies and kits ? if only I could find it. I did find this ? multiple articles on the subject Hope it helps https://www.motortrend.com/s/efi/ Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Gary via Tigers Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions Hi Mayf, Lookup Speeduino. Arduino Mega can do it. I was working on that for a GM 2bbl TBI a few years ago.. and got distracted. I may be able to get re-invigorated if someone else is working on it... Gary On 7/17/2021 11:58 AM, Larry Mayfield via Tigers wrote: Theo, interesting points you make. And I have not heard Megasquirt is a long while! Why not consider a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ ? Certainly enough brainpower. An arduino might work also and it could handle it as well. While I was thinking of a carb setup type of FI, a SEFI might be just as good if implemented correctly. Or even a large throttle bore with direct injection. Think I will look around and see if anyone has made a DIY EFI system using any of this stuff. Thanks for reminding me? Mayf TWFS From: Theo Smit Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 7:28 PM To: Will Seay Cc: Larry Mayfield ; tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions Will and Mayf, I ran my Tiger with a BossEFI 4-barrel throttle body injection system for about six or seven years. This is the system that got acquired (or at least rebranded and marketed) by Professional Products. The version I had, still had the ECU separately mounted in the passenger compartment; later versions had the electronics all integrated in the throttle body assembly. This simplifies the wiring but subjects the electronics to the under-hood heat, which is maybe not a great idea. When I bought my crate motor, it came with a carb and so far I have not put the BossEFI back on yet. The programming interface for the BossEFI system was ... not great. It came with a number of pre-built maps, but it was not easy to tweak in a logical way, and especially its integration of air/fuel ratio feedback and timing control was just weird. The car ran fine at WOT but the part throttle operation was not easy to get right. This is partially because the Tiger will run all day at really small throttle openings, and so you're always tuning just a hair off the idle settings. I'm not sure if a throttle body that had the injectors below the throttle plates would be better in that regard. If / when I get time to go back to playing with that setup again, I may look at using a third party EFI controller (such as Megasquirt, if they are still making stuff that can be adapted to any generic injector), rather than going back to 2003 era user interface and controls. To set the car up for the EFI system, I took many of the same steps that Will did. I plumbed a 3/8 inch feed and return line from the back of the car to the firewall and mounted a regulator on the firewall. I initially used a high volume canister filter as a sort of surge can, but currently I have the (stock) feed from the tank running about 12 inches forward, to a low pressure pre-filter. Then the return line is teed in, and we go to the fuel pump and then the high-pressure post filter. Those three pieces are all mounted under the trunk, behind the Alpine spare tire well. I'm running a Denso 70 amp alternator that is small enough to tuck ahead of the right cylinder head, still preserving the stock fan belt line. I also have a Plex wideband O2 sensor mounted in the right header collector. To convert back to the carburetor, I just swapped the 45 PSI regulator out for one that would not flood the Holley carb's needle/seat. The (high pressure) fuel pump just ends up circulating the fuel through the return line, if there is any excess volume. Cheers, Theo _____ From: "tigers" > To: "Larry Mayfield" > Cc: "tigers" > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:38:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions Mayf, I got the EFI bug some time ago when I saw a series of Hagerty Youtube videos in which a Fairlane (5-bolt) 289 was rebuilt to a 289 HiPO-ish state and then put it in Brad Phillips Tiger. The plan was to do the engine swap and get the engine going with a Holley 4BBL setup and then switch the 4BBL for a Holley Sniper EFI throttle-body unit. Brad got his Tiger going with the 4BBL setup but, to my knowledge, never did the Sniper install. Brad's engine swap was recorded in a series of 12 Youtube videos. Here are some links: Here's the first episode of Brad Phillips 289 engine swap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWYRPH24Bw &list=WL&index=2&t=26s Here's the Hagerty time-lapse video of the engine rebuild: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVtrnxx3rTE &t=0s There is a Youtube video of a dyno test of the engine with and without EFI. So far I haven't found a link to it. I have been making plans to make my car "EFI-ready". That is, I want to have a plan for each aspect of the conversion. Current plan is to replace the OEM fuel pump with the high pressure pump and to house pump and pre and post filters in the same area as previously housed the OEM pump. I have made up a heat shield for the right-side muffler to keep from roasting the pump. Fuel return line will go into the top of the right fuel tank. I can provide pictures of the return line fittings if you are interested. I will be doing my own harness. The Holley harness is bass ackwards for a Tiger, assuming battery up front. Fuel relay and fuses for fuel pump and EFI will be located with the pump. Anticipating that the fuel pump and injectors will want to suck more current than the OEM generator can provide, I have done an alternator conversion. I already have a wide band O2 sensor installed for a PLX O2 readout so the O2 sensor is already there. Control of distributor advance is optional with the Sniper so I don't plan to do opt for that initially. Someday I would like to add it though. Should improve driveability and maybe performance. Like I said, I want to make the car "EFI-ready" . Don't know if I will actually do the conversion, but I want to at least have it thought out so that I can get there from here if I decide to. Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.com On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:46 AM Larry Mayfield via Tigers > wrote: I have owned my Tiger since Jan 1967, bought it used. Has been sitting quietly now for quite a number of years. And I want to drive it a bit more now. But carbs are so old fashioned, lol. So, seeking information from the groups experiences, those owners who have replaced the carb with an electronic injected version: either 2 bbl or f bbl versions. If 2 bbl then I would just use the cast iron intake manifold. If 4 bbl I need to know which is best for a bone stock 260 cid which so far in my ownership has never been apart. I tend to lean toward a 4 bbl version as I have a 5 bolt 289 with some performance capability and I would need to buy a manifold for that. I also have my 260 LSR motor which has the full treatment and is a real race motor. So, seeking real world experience on what and which brands are most user friendly while putting out power for driving around, having some fun (again). 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URL: From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jul 17 18:25:42 2021 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 17:25:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions Message-ID: <005601d77b6b$72b1c8d0$58155a70$@mayfco.com> Folks, my question has taken on a life of it's own. And in a direction I wasn't needing to go, lol. What I was hoping for was owners who had decided to replace the carb with a high tech unit, one of those EFI units that looks like a carb. An owner who had decided to select one, buy it, and get it going. Then for experiences on how hard it was to select (and what the criteria was), install it , how programming it for the tiger engine might have been, how is fuel economy, enjoyability in driving, and so forth. Remember me? I am the guy who took an old Alpine, that was headed to the crusher and turned it into the worlds fastest sunbeam, with a turbo charged Ford 306 CID fuel injected LSR car. I hacked up an old 1989 Ford Mustang harness, bought a tuner chip system (TweecerRT), made it work and it ran like a banshee. I am not a noob looking for basic EFI stuff although it is probably good info for those who want to use a SEFI system in their cars. I wuz looking for simpler and cheaper, lol. With how well it seems to function. I live in Pahrump and may have the only Tiger in this particular area of the planet. I do want to say thanks to all who have replied, no matter the direction, I read 'em all! Sorry for the confusion on what I was seeking. The race engine used 65 lb/hr injectors that I have misplaced. anybody know where they are, lol.. 8 of them are hiding from me. Again, sorry for the confusion and thanks to the many who did reply! Larry TWFS designer, builder , fabricator, driver From: Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 6:47 AM To: 'Tiger Autox' Subject: Tiger eplacement carb and alternator Questions I have owned my Tiger since Jan 1967, bought it used. Has been sitting quietly now for quite a number of years. And I want to drive it a bit more now. But carbs are so old fashioned, lol. So, seeking information from the groups experiences, those owners who have replaced the carb with an electronic injected version: either 2 bbl or f bbl versions. If 2 bbl then I would just use the cast iron intake manifold. If 4 bbl I need to know which is best for a bone stock 260 cid which so far in my ownership has never been apart. I tend to lean toward a 4 bbl version as I have a 5 bolt 289 with some performance capability and I would need to buy a manifold for that. I also have my 260 LSR motor which has the full treatment and is a real race motor. So, seeking real world experience on what and which brands are most user friendly while putting out power for driving around, having some fun (again). Larry, mayf, drmayf etc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:38 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] U-joint Circlips While removing the U-joints in my Tiger driveshaft, I happened to break two of the snap rings/circlips. Anyone know a source for these. Any help is appreciated. Jim D Sent from my Galaxy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 03:41:31 2021 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 05:41:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] U-joint Circlips In-Reply-To: <000501d77f72$6a0daf40$3e290dc0$@bluefrog.com> References: <20210723023856.DB066A0DA7@autox.team.net> <000501d77f72$6a0daf40$3e290dc0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: All new U joints come with clips. On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:26 PM Ron Fraser wrote: > Jim > > Any U-joint shop should be able to help you. > > These are Dana parts. I believe clips come with new U-joints. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *jimdamelio > via Tigers > *Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:38 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] U-joint Circlips > > > > While removing the U-joints in my Tiger driveshaft, I happened to break > two of the snap rings/circlips. Anyone know a source for these. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > > > Jim D > > > > > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimdamelio at verizon.net Fri Jul 23 05:58:38 2021 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 07:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] U-joint Circlips In-Reply-To: <000501d77f72$6a0daf40$3e290dc0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys.? I thought they did, but the pair I have doesn't have them.? Bought them years ago.. Guess I need a new pair.JimSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser Date: 7/22/21 11:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' , tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] U-joint Circlips Jim??????????????? Any U-joint shop should be able to help you.These are Dana parts.?? I believe clips come with new U-joints.?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:38 PMTo: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] U-joint Circlips?While removing the U-joints in my Tiger driveshaft, I happened to break two of the snap rings/circlips.? Anyone know a source for these.?Any help is appreciated.??Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rollright at aol.com Tue Jul 27 12:47:04 2021 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] article in TE/AE References: <1151097400.215035.1627411624465.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1151097400.215035.1627411624465@mail.yahoo.com> Hello,?Within the last two years, an article appeared in the newsletter that I tried to look up on-line. No luck !?The subject was installation of the rubber window to car body 'wiper' that attaches to the body with special clips. I tied doing it without the tool the guy in the article describes, but the darned piece of rubber is out yet again.?Anybody know where I can find that article? As I said, I tried the TE/AE database but no joy.?Help!?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 15:27:18 2021 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:27:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] article in TE/AE In-Reply-To: <1151097400.215035.1627411624465@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1151097400.215035.1627411624465.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1151097400.215035.1627411624465@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I usually end up riveting the front part by the 1/4 window, makes the rest of it stay put. Jeff On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:48 PM James Armstrong via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Hello, > > Within the last two years, an article appeared in the newsletter that I > tried to look up on-line. No luck ! > > The subject was installation of the rubber window to car body 'wiper' that > attaches to the body with special clips. > I tied doing it without the tool the guy in the article describes, but the > darned piece of rubber is out yet again. > > Anybody know where I can find that article? As I said, I tried the TE/AE > database but no joy. > > Help! > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 LRXFE > Code 86 > TAC # 0763 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rollright at aol.com Tue Jul 27 15:46:41 2021 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] article in TE/AE In-Reply-To: References: <1151097400.215035.1627411624465.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1151097400.215035.1627411624465@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89296378.221176.1627422401970@mail.yahoo.com> That's a good idea, but I am obsessing about the article. I just need a lead to find it on the club website?Anyone??Jim Armstrong?In a message dated 7/27/2021 5:27:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jefferyrandall at gmail.com writes:? Jim, I usually end up riveting?the front part by the 1/4 window, makes the rest of it stay put.? ?Jeff On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:48 PM James Armstrong via Tigers wrote: Hello,?Within the last two years, an article appeared in the newsletter that I tried to look up on-line. No luck !?The subject was installation of the rubber window to car body 'wiper' that attaches to the body with special clips. I tied doing it without the tool the guy in the article describes, but the darned piece of rubber is out yet again.?Anybody know where I can find that article? As I said, I tried the TE/AE database but no joy.?Help!?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 16:07:26 2021 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:07:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Message-ID: Hi, I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. A brand name and part number would be great. And also, what should the pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. Thanks, Joe Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 17:12:50 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:12:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2e8d14a7-c770-c360-466d-c5c0c3c2128e@comcast.net> Joe, If you are getting water out short of boil over, you are just filling it too much.? In a Tiger this is well down from the opening and is actually below the top of the radiator.? What you need is a recovery tank like a modern car, this will keep the system full.. heat expansion pushes water into the recovery tank and when it cools back down it will be sucked back in. Antifreeze tastes good but poisons small animals, please make this mod. It sounds like your new cap with two rubber seals is the correct one already, the original Tiger had only one seal at the bottom IIRC. Gary On 7/27/2021 3:07 PM, Joe Brown wrote: > Hi, > > I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be > using.? I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on > Autozone's website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap > is too short.? I almost immediately start getting water out of the > overflow tube as the engine warms up.? I measured the depth of the > expansion tank opening from the top edge to the flange where the > spring part of the cap would sit and got .777".? I measured the cap > from the big rubber seal just under the cap to the small rubber seal > at the end of the spring and got something like .75".? So it looks > like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. > > A brand name and part number would be great.? And also, what should > the pressure rating be?? What I have is 13 lbs. > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Jul 27 17:37:15 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 19:37:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701d78340$5639e7a0$02adb6e0$@bluefrog.com> Joe I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam Specialties. Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. Catches any overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools. The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars. Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated header tank and 13 lb. cap. Well, no really good help there. I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Hi, I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. A brand name and part number would be great. And also, what should the pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. Thanks, Joe Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 17:48:48 2021 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:48:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: <002701d78340$5639e7a0$02adb6e0$@bluefrog.com> References: <002701d78340$5639e7a0$02adb6e0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser wrote: > Joe > > I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam > Specialties. > > Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. > > Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. > > I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. Catches any > overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools. > > > > The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars. > > > > Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with > early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated > header tank and 13 lb. cap. > > > > Well, no really good help there. > > > > I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM > *To:* Tigers Den > *Subject:* [Tigers] Radiator Cap > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be > using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's > website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I > almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the > engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from > the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and > got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap > to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like > .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. > > > > A brand name and part number would be great. And also, what should the > pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Jul 27 18:45:45 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: References: <002701d78340$5639e7a0$02adb6e0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <003301d78349$e7b9be40$b72d3ac0$@bluefrog.com> Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks. 1224725 Header Tank up to B382001521 5221224 Header Tank from B382001522 to B382001894 1236126 Header Tank from B382001895 Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it indicates Filler Cap 9 lbs. I don?t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are available to see which Filler Cap they indicate. Ron Fraser From: Joe Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PM To: Ron Fraser Cc: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser > wrote: Joe I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam Specialties. Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. Catches any overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools. The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars. Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated header tank and 13 lb. cap. Well, no really good help there. I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM To: Tigers Den > Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Hi, I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. A brand name and part number would be great. And also, what should the pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. Thanks, Joe Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 19:40:28 2021 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: <003301d78349$e7b9be40$b72d3ac0$@bluefrog.com> References: <002701d78340$5639e7a0$02adb6e0$@bluefrog.com> <003301d78349$e7b9be40$b72d3ac0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: I pulled out my copy of TBON and he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to B382001521 and 13 lb. after that. I sent an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the cap you described. It doesn't say it's for the Tiger, it just says it's for the series V. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser wrote: > Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks. > > 1224725 Header Tank up to B382001521 > > 5221224 Header Tank from B382001522 to B382001894 > > 1236126 Header Tank from B382001895 > > > > Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it indicates > Filler Cap 9 lbs. > > > > I don?t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are available to > see which Filler Cap they indicate. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > *From:* Joe Brown > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PM > *To:* Ron Fraser > *Cc:* Tigers Den > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap > > > > Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need. > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser wrote: > > Joe > > I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam > Specialties. > > Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. > > Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. > > I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. Catches any > overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools. > > > > The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars. > > > > Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with > early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated > header tank and 13 lb. cap. > > > > Well, no really good help there. > > > > I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM > *To:* Tigers Den > *Subject:* [Tigers] Radiator Cap > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be > using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's > website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I > almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the > engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from > the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and > got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap > to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like > .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. > > > > A brand name and part number would be great. And also, what should the > pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Doug On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 12:26:14 PM PDT, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote: Hello,?For those interested, I found the article on:"Replacing Door Outer Window Weather Strip Using a New Tool"?Go to TE/AE website, and go? to Rootes Review, March 2020,? pages 8-10?There it is !?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/douglasalyle at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 16:47:32 2021 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 17:47:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: References: <002701d78340$5639e7a0$02adb6e0$@bluefrog.com> <003301d78349$e7b9be40$b72d3ac0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: Just to add to my confusion I took a look at the Tiger Parts List Supplement (pub number 6601131) and I'm guessing this only covers the Tigers up to B382001521 because it only shows the 1224725 header tank and Ron has Parts List 6601334 which show two more tanks. Parts List 6601131 says the 9 lb. cap is for "later" cars and the 13 lb. cap is for "earlier" cars. This seems to contradict what is in TBON. Is it possible that some of the earliest cars had 13 lb. caps and then they went to 9 lb. caps until they changes the header tanks? The Rootes part number for the 9 lb. cap is 5220487 and when I Google that number I can see that is also a Mopar part number from back in the day. All of the usual sources want to cross this over to a 13 lb. cap. I did find a 9 lb. cap made by Motorad but I can't find what the stem length is. I guess I will have to go down to the different part stores and look at what they have. Sunbeam Specialties has three different caps for sale but they are for Alpines, not Tigers. I asked Rick if any of them would work for the Tiger and he said the pressure rating was too low. Ron, the G630 cap pulls up as a match for some older Land Rovers but I'm only finding used ones. If anybody has recently purchased a new cap that is working fine please let me know what you got. Thanks, Joe Brown On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Joe Brown wrote: > I pulled out my copy of TBON and he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to > B382001521 and 13 lb. after that. > > I sent an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the cap you > described. It doesn't say it's for the Tiger, it just says it's for the > series V. > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks. >> >> 1224725 Header Tank up to B382001521 >> >> 5221224 Header Tank from B382001522 to B382001894 >> >> 1236126 Header Tank from B382001895 >> >> >> >> Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it indicates >> Filler Cap 9 lbs. >> >> >> >> I don?t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are available >> to see which Filler Cap they indicate. >> >> >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> *From:* Joe Brown >> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PM >> *To:* Ron Fraser >> *Cc:* Tigers Den >> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap >> >> >> >> Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser wrote: >> >> Joe >> >> I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam >> Specialties. >> >> Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. >> >> Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. >> >> I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. Catches any >> overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools. >> >> >> >> The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars. >> >> >> >> Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with >> early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated >> header tank and 13 lb. cap. >> >> >> >> Well, no really good help there. >> >> >> >> I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct >> >> >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown >> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM >> *To:* Tigers Den >> *Subject:* [Tigers] Radiator Cap >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be >> using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's >> website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I >> almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the >> engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from >> the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and >> got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap >> to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like >> .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. >> >> >> >> A brand name and part number would be great. And also, what should the >> pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe Brown >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimdamelio at verizon.net Wed Jul 28 18:11:20 2021 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 20:11:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Attached are pictures of the 9lb cap 5220487, 13lb cap 1224818 and a 13lb chrome Motorcraft cap.? The 9lb cap measures 1" from inside base to tip of plunger while both 13lb caps measure 1-1/8".?Jim DSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Joe Brown via Tigers Date: 7/28/21 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Ron Fraser Cc: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Just to add to my confusion I took a look at the Tiger Parts List Supplement (pub number 6601131) and I'm guessing this only covers the Tigers up to? B382001521 because it only shows the 1224725 header tank and Ron has? Parts List 6601334 which show two more tanks.????Parts List? 6601131? says the 9 lb. cap is for "later" cars and the 13 lb. cap is for "earlier" cars.? This seems to contradict what is in TBON.? Is it possible that some of the earliest cars had 13 lb. caps and then they went to 9 lb. caps until they changes the header tanks?The Rootes part number for the 9 lb. cap is 5220487 and when I Google that number I can see that is also a Mopar part number from back in the day.? All of the usual sources want to cross this over to a 13 lb. cap.? I did find a 9 lb. cap made by Motorad but I can't find what the stem length is.? I guess I will have to go down to the different part stores and look at what they have.??Sunbeam Specialties has three different caps for sale but they are for Alpines, not Tigers.? I asked Rick if any of them would work for the Tiger and he said the pressure rating was too low.??Ron, the G630 cap pulls up as a match for some older Land Rovers but I'm only finding used ones.If anybody has recently purchased a new cap that is working fine please let me know what you got.Thanks,Joe BrownOn Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Joe Brown wrote:I pulled out my copy of TBON and he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to B382001521 and 13 lb. after that?I sent an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the cap you described. It doesn't say it's for the Tiger, it just says it's for the series V.On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser wrote:Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks.1224725??????????????? Header Tank?????? up to B3820015215221224??????????????? Header Tank?????? from B382001522 to B3820018941236126??????????????? Header Tank ????? from B382001895?Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it indicates Filler Cap 9 lbs.?I don?t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are available to see which Filler Cap they indicate.?Ron Fraser?From: Joe Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PMTo: Ron Fraser Cc: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap?Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need.?On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser wrote:Joe??????????????? I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam Specialties.Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630.Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?.I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow.?? Catches any overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools.?The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars.?Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated header tank and 13 lb. cap.?Well, no really good help there.?I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct?Ron? Fraser???From: Tigers On Behalf Of Joe BrownSent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PMTo: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap?Hi,?I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be using.? I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short.? I almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the engine warms up.? I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and got .777".? I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like .75".? So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem.???A brand name and part number would be great? And also, what should the pressure rating be?? What I have is 13 lbs.?Thanks,Joe Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20210728_195027_resized.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 967712 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The 9lb cap measures 1" from inside base to tip of > plunger while both 13lb caps measure 1-1/8". > > Jim D > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Joe Brown via Tigers > Date: 7/28/21 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Ron Fraser > Cc: Tigers Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap > > Just to add to my confusion I took a look at the Tiger Parts List > Supplement (pub number 6601131) and I'm guessing this only covers the > Tigers up to B382001521 because it only shows the 1224725 header tank and > Ron has Parts List 6601334 which show two more tanks. Parts List > 6601131 says the 9 lb. cap is for "later" cars and the 13 lb. cap is for > "earlier" cars. This seems to contradict what is in TBON. Is it possible > that some of the earliest cars had 13 lb. caps and then they went to 9 lb. > caps until they changes the header tanks? > > The Rootes part number for the 9 lb. cap is 5220487 and when I Google that > number I can see that is also a Mopar part number from back in the day. > All of the usual sources want to cross this over to a 13 lb. cap. I did > find a 9 lb. cap made by Motorad but I can't find what the stem length is. > I guess I will have to go down to the different part stores and look at > what they have. > > Sunbeam Specialties has three different caps for sale but they are for > Alpines, not Tigers. I asked Rick if any of them would work for the Tiger > and he said the pressure rating was too low. > > Ron, the G630 cap pulls up as a match for some older Land Rovers but I'm > only finding used ones. > > If anybody has recently purchased a new cap that is working fine please > let me know what you got. > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Joe Brown wrote: > >> I pulled out my copy of TBON and he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to >> B382001521 and 13 lb. after that >> >> I sent an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the cap >> you described. It doesn't say it's for the Tiger, it just says it's for the >> series V. >> >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser wrote: >> >>> Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks. >>> >>> 1224725 Header Tank up to B382001521 >>> >>> 5221224 Header Tank from B382001522 to B382001894 >>> >>> 1236126 Header Tank from B382001895 >>> >>> >>> >>> Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it >>> indicates Filler Cap 9 lbs. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don?t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are available >>> to see which Filler Cap they indicate. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Fraser >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Joe Brown >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PM >>> *To:* Ron Fraser >>> *Cc:* Tigers Den >>> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser wrote: >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam >>> Specialties. >>> >>> Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. >>> >>> Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. >>> >>> I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. Catches any >>> overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with >>> early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated >>> header tank and 13 lb. cap. >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, no really good help there. >>> >>> >>> >>> I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Fraser >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM >>> *To:* Tigers Den >>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Radiator Cap >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be >>> using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's >>> website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I >>> almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the >>> engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from >>> the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and >>> got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap >>> to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like >>> .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. >>> >>> >>> >>> A brand name and part number would be great And also, what should the >>> pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Joe Brown >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Jul 28 19:43:05 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 21:43:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: References: <002701d78340$5639e7a0$02adb6e0$@bluefrog.com> <003301d78349$e7b9be40$b72d3ac0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <000601d7841b$13fcd880$3bf68980$@bluefrog.com> Joe Yes, this topic is confusing. My Shop Manual states 13 lb. cap for both 260 and 289 engines but I do not see a publish date for the Manual. Not sure if an original Shop Manuals state anything different. I?m not the original owner of my Tiger so I can?t say for sure the 9 lb. cap is correct. I believe that is how I bought it and I have continued with the 9 lb. cap. All indication seem to point to the 13 lb. cap being OK to use on any Tiger. Ron Fraser From: Joe Brown Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 6:48 PM To: Ron Fraser Cc: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Just to add to my confusion I took a look at the Tiger Parts List Supplement (pub number 6601131) and I'm guessing this only covers the Tigers up to B382001521 because it only shows the 1224725 header tank and Ron has Parts List 6601334 which show two more tanks. Parts List 6601131 says the 9 lb. cap is for "later" cars and the 13 lb. cap is for "earlier" cars. This seems to contradict what is in TBON. Is it possible that some of the earliest cars had 13 lb. caps and then they went to 9 lb. caps until they changes the header tanks? The Rootes part number for the 9 lb. cap is 5220487 and when I Google that number I can see that is also a Mopar part number from back in the day. All of the usual sources want to cross this over to a 13 lb. cap. I did find a 9 lb. cap made by Motorad but I can't find what the stem length is. I guess I will have to go down to the different part stores and look at what they have. Sunbeam Specialties has three different caps for sale but they are for Alpines, not Tigers. I asked Rick if any of them would work for the Tiger and he said the pressure rating was too low. Ron, the G630 cap pulls up as a match for some older Land Rovers but I'm only finding used ones. If anybody has recently purchased a new cap that is working fine please let me know what you got. Thanks, Joe Brown On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Joe Brown > wrote: I pulled out my copy of TBON and he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to B382001521 and 13 lb. after that. I sent an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the cap you described. It doesn't say it's for the Tiger, it just says it's for the series V. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser > wrote: Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks. 1224725 Header Tank up to B382001521 5221224 Header Tank from B382001522 to B382001894 1236126 Header Tank from B382001895 Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it indicates Filler Cap 9 lbs. I don?t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are available to see which Filler Cap they indicate. Ron Fraser From: Joe Brown > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PM To: Ron Fraser > Cc: Tigers Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser > wrote: Joe I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam Specialties. Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. Catches any overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools. The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars. Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated header tank and 13 lb. cap. Well, no really good help there. I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM To: Tigers Den > Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Hi, I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. A brand name and part number would be great. And also, what should the pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. Thanks, Joe Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Jul 28 21:00:00 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 20:00:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: <20210729001536.2F0A7A1019@autox.team.net> References: <20210729001536.2F0A7A1019@autox.team.net> Message-ID: If you are not trying to win a concours award and just want to drive your Tiger.. What you need nowadays is a recovery system. Pics show my system I bought at an auto store in the early to mid '90s, not sure if they still have such things... You want a cap with two rubber seals, length of the spring should not matter as long as it is long enough, the Tiger seems to be right in line with all the other radiators in this regard.? I mounted the tank under my fender above my also re-located oil filter. The system insures that the top of the radiator is full unlike the stock system and keeps any leakage off the track or out of the mouths of small animals. 13lb works fine for my two early MK1s. Garty On 7/28/2021 5:11 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: > Attached are pictures of the 9lb cap 5220487, 13lb cap 1224818 and a > 13lb chrome Motorcraft cap.? The 9lb cap measures 1" from inside base > to tip of plunger while both 13lb caps measure 1-1/8". > > Jim D > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Joe Brown via Tigers > Date: 7/28/21 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Ron Fraser > Cc: Tigers Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap > > Just to add to my confusion I took a look at the Tiger Parts List > Supplement (pub number 6601131) and I'm guessing this only covers the > Tigers up to B382001521 because it only shows the 1224725 header tank > and Ron has Parts List 6601334 which show two more tanks.????Parts > List 6601131? says the 9 lb. cap is for "later" cars and the 13 lb. > cap is for "earlier" cars.? This seems to contradict what is in TBON.? > Is it possible that some of the earliest cars had 13 lb. caps and then > they went to 9 lb. caps until they changes the header tanks? > > The Rootes part number for the 9 lb. cap is 5220487 and when I Google > that number I can see that is also a Mopar part number from back in > the day.? All of the usual sources want to cross this over to a 13 lb. > cap.? I did find a 9 lb. cap made by Motorad but I can't find what the > stem length is.? I guess I will have to go down to the different part > stores and look at what they have. > > Sunbeam Specialties has three different caps for sale but they are for > Alpines, not Tigers.? I asked Rick if any of them would work for the > Tiger and he said the pressure rating was too low. > > Ron, the G630 cap pulls up as a match for some older Land Rovers but > I'm only finding used ones. > > If anybody has recently purchased a new cap that is working fine > please let me know what you got. > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Joe Brown > wrote: > > I pulled out my copy of TBON and he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to > B382001521 and 13 lb. after that > > I sent an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the > cap you described. It doesn't say it's for the Tiger, it just says > it's for the series V. > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser > wrote: > > Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks. > > 1224725??????????????? Header Tank?????? up to B382001521 > > 5221224??????????????? Header Tank?????? from B382001522 to > B382001894 > > 1236126??????????????? Header Tank ????? from B382001895 > > Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and > it indicates Filler Cap 9 lbs. > > I don?t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are > available to see which Filler Cap they indicate. > > Ron Fraser > > *From:* Joe Brown > > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PM > *To:* Ron Fraser > > *Cc:* Tigers Den > > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap > > Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need. > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser > wrote: > > Joe > > ??????????????? I believe I bought my radiator cap from > Sunbeam Specialties. > > Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. > > Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. > > I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. > Catches any overflow which gets sucked back in when the > engine cools. > > The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. > early cars. > > Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as > last unit with early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? > B382001522 1^st Tiger with updated header tank and 13 lb. cap. > > Well, no really good help there. > > I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later > cars is correct > > Ron? Fraser > > *From:* Tigers > *On Behalf Of *Joe > Brown > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM > *To:* Tigers Den > > *Subject:* [Tigers] Radiator Cap > > Hi, > > I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I > should be using.? I've tried a cap that was listed as > being for a Tiger on Autozone's website but I think the > pressure spring part under the cap is too short.? I almost > immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube > as the engine warms up.? I measured the depth of the > expansion tank opening from the top edge to the flange > where the spring part of the cap would sit and got .777".? > I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the > cap to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and > got something like .75".? So it looks like I need a cap > with a longer spring stem. > > A brand name and part number would be great? And also, > what should the pressure rating be?? 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Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 11:00 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap If you are not trying to win a concours award and just want to drive your Tiger.. What you need nowadays is a recovery system. Pics show my system I bought at an auto store in the early to mid '90s, not sure if they still have such things... You want a cap with two rubber seals, length of the spring should not matter as long as it is long enough, the Tiger seems to be right in line with all the other radiators in this regard. I mounted the tank under my fender above my also re-located oil filter. The system insures that the top of the radiator is full unlike the stock system and keeps any leakage off the track or out of the mouths of small animals. 13lb works fine for my two early MK1s. Garty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 100_0820.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 364925 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 29 08:35:05 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 10:35:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap In-Reply-To: <20210728172153.3AFF450F@m0117117.ppops.net> References: <20210728172153.3AFF450F@m0117117.ppops.net> Message-ID: <000501d78486$eced7cb0$c6c87610$@bluefrog.com> Jim Thank you for the pictures. It appears I have the MOPAR 5220487 Filler cap ? good to know. This also indicates that any 522xxxx number in the Parts List is a Chrysler part number ? excellent. Ron Fraser From: jimdamelio Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 8:11 PM To: Joe Brown ; Ron Fraser Cc: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Attached are pictures of the 9lb cap 5220487, 13lb cap 1224818 and a 13lb chrome Motorcraft cap. The 9lb cap measures 1" from inside base to tip of plunger while both 13lb caps measure 1-1/8". Jim D Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: Joe Brown via Tigers > Date: 7/28/21 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Ron Fraser > Cc: Tigers Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Just to add to my confusion I took a look at the Tiger Parts List Supplement (pub number 6601131) and I'm guessing this only covers the Tigers up to B382001521 because it only shows the 1224725 header tank and Ron has Parts List 6601334 which show two more tanks. Parts List 6601131 says the 9 lb. cap is for "later" cars and the 13 lb. cap is for "earlier" cars. This seems to contradict what is in TBON. Is it possible that some of the earliest cars had 13 lb. caps and then they went to 9 lb. caps until they changes the header tanks? The Rootes part number for the 9 lb. cap is 5220487 and when I Google that number I can see that is also a Mopar part number from back in the day. All of the usual sources want to cross this over to a 13 lb. cap. I did find a 9 lb. cap made by Motorad but I can't find what the stem length is. I guess I will have to go down to the different part stores and look at what they have. Sunbeam Specialties has three different caps for sale but they are for Alpines, not Tigers. I asked Rick if any of them would work for the Tiger and he said the pressure rating was too low. Ron, the G630 cap pulls up as a match for some older Land Rovers but I'm only finding used ones. If anybody has recently purchased a new cap that is working fine please let me know what you got. Thanks, Joe Brown On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Joe Brown > wrote: I pulled out my copy of TBON and he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to B382001521 and 13 lb. after that I sent an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the cap you described. It doesn't say it's for the Tiger, it just says it's for the series V. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser > wrote: Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks. 1224725 Header Tank up to B382001521 5221224 Header Tank from B382001522 to B382001894 1236126 Header Tank from B382001895 Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it indicates Filler Cap 9 lbs. I don?t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are available to see which Filler Cap they indicate. Ron Fraser From: Joe Brown > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PM To: Ron Fraser > Cc: Tigers Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser > wrote: Joe I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam Specialties. Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630. Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805?. I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow. Catches any overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools. The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars. Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with early header tank and 9 lb. cap ? B382001522 1st Tiger with updated header tank and 13 lb. cap. Well, no really good help there. I?m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is correct Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM To: Tigers Den > Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Hi, I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be using. I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone's website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. I almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the engine warms up. I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and got .777". I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the cap to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like .75". So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem. A brand name and part number would be great And also, what should the pressure rating be? What I have is 13 lbs. Thanks, Joe Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: