From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 17:52:18 2021 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:52:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild Message-ID: I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 18:03:44 2021 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03FB931C-135C-4B5E-935C-5A57F731C920@gmail.com> I can tell you about when I did it on my SV Alpine, which I believe is the same. I used the foam from SS and the diaphragm. Wow, what a difference the seat was once it was correct. I had previously replaced the original diaphragm with straps and clips I got at the local upholstery store. Worked ok, but the correct foam and diaphragm was a revelation. I have to tell you, I don?t remember right now what I did to stretch the rubber to put the clips in. I do remember that getting the correct size clips was important - as I didn?t have all the originals. I remember talking to Rick about it (It was about 25 years ago now). I think I made some sort of grabber with a pliers. I also had to remake the cardboard that went along the back of the frame, inside the seat covers. That took a long time to get right. I had to experiment with different thicknesses of cardboard and some steam to get it right. I spent a bunch of time cleaning off the metal and painting it. Mine were not bad. But on a non-Sunbeam that I redid the seats on, there was a bit of rust. Almost made me wish I left them alone - but in the end, they are stronger now. Also, when I cut the vinyl around the two bottom edges, I cut it wrong. So it doesn?t cover exactly right down there. Pissed me off. It?s ok. I don?t think anyone would ever notice. But I?m usually pretty good at seeing how things are supposed to be cut. So I guess I?m only suggesting you take time there to make sure it?s right before you cut. Perhaps I just totally blew it and it would be obvious if I did it again. I was careful to epoxy the center section of the seat bottom into the square hold in the foam before doing anything. That?s still holding 25 years later and I?m glad I did it. I see folks where their seat bottom vinyl just floats. That?s not a good look, to me. Oh, and I?ve also seen on some cars people say they cover the seat backs with a large plastic bag before pulling on the upholstery. I never did that because I didn?t want it to make crinkly noises every time I moved. It was hard to slide it down. It took a lot of squeezing and pressing a little at a time. I don?t know if it would have been smarter to do the bag trick. That?s all I remember. Hope this helps. Jay On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote: I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbsyv at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 18:03:44 2021 From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3159B5BD-E81D-408A-BB62-1A6EF7BC4CE5@yahoo.com> This article helped me a lot when I did mine. There are others as well. https://teae.org/how-to-restore-your-seats/ Hope this helps, Jim > On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote: > > I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coolvt at aol.com Thu Apr 1 18:30:03 2021 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 00:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <502926646.39333.1617323403105@mail.yahoo.com> Mine had the diaphragm.? I replaced with the diaphragm plus added straps from a local upholstery shop. Figured it might last longer before sagging. Also put an extra foam piece across the bar at the front of the seat......for 2 reasons....wanted extra thigh support and to delay the metal bar eventually eating through the foam.? Worked for me.? Mark L?In a message dated 4/1/2021 7:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:? I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps.? My seats from my Mk 1A? have the rubber diaphragm.? Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats?? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart.?Stu_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbsyv at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 22:39:05 2021 From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 21:39:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <325FC4B7-E6EF-4B96-9E71-1925FE1F61AF@yahoo.com> I started from scratch since my MKIA was Missing the original seats. Months of Ebay and club member contacts later I made up two matching seats that were in good shape. What I thought I was going to need was the rubber diaphragm kit. The best of the best frames that I ended up using were earlier with the straps. (Still have the diaphragms) Mine being an early IA I think they are actually correct. There are other differences in the frames from early to late as I understand it and can be seen in base construction. The attachments for the straps vs diaphragm are different. That?s what my old brain remembers from a few years ago anyway. Other than that, I think the kits from Rick are pretty much interchangeable and a fairly easy redo. Jim > On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote: > > I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Apr 2 08:57:44 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701d727d0$8c48c8a0$a4da59e0$@bluefrog.com> Stu 1st you need to determine which style seat you have and compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog . Joe Parlanti?s article is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is also a seat cover with a separate center section. Once you know which style, you can make an order. No matter which style seat you have ? always take pictures and take really good notes as you disassemble the seats. Disassembly is the easy part ? its understanding the assembly process that takes time and thought to organize. Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them. Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners ? SS has most of them available. I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4? x 26 BSF and 5/16? x 22 BSF, to clear up some threads. I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped and fell apart too quickly. I?m not sure where I got those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing nicely. I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips. The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require more effort as you proceed. It has been way too long since I did any of this work so work carefully. Hope this helps Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 09:35:05 2021 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:35:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS In-Reply-To: <000701d727d0$8c48c8a0$a4da59e0$@bluefrog.com> References: <000701d727d0$8c48c8a0$a4da59e0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <2EB6789E-D067-40F1-9F2A-E6E14B84C7C9@gmail.com> Ron makes a good point about buying from SS. When I first got my Alpine in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget. So cost mattered. SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts from other vendors - ignoring the little story in the back of the SS catalog showing why their stuff was different. SS really went the extra step to get things done right, and so much of what the other places had was garbage. I ended up basically throwing out carpet, full rubber kit, and tonneau from other suppliers. VB even had the wrong servos for the car. I won?t buy from anyone else but SS now. Of course Rick is now a good friend. There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think that was the name), on the east coast. I believe he and Rick worked together in designing and getting many of the parts made. So I would have equally gone to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick. I don?t know if Curt is still out there. And now VB no longer exists either. Just as well. I don?t know where their inventory went. But I?d still be careful of buying any of it. Best, Jay On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: Stu 1st you need to determine which style seat you have and compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog . Joe Parlanti?s article is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is also a seat cover with a separate center section. Once you know which style, you can make an order. No matter which style seat you have ? always take pictures and take really good notes as you disassemble the seats. Disassembly is the easy part ? its understanding the assembly process that takes time and thought to organize. Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them. Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners ? SS has most of them available. I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4? x 26 BSF and 5/16? x 22 BSF, to clear up some threads. I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped and fell apart too quickly. I?m not sure where I got those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing nicely. I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips. The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require more effort as you proceed. It has been way too long since I did any of this work so work carefully. Hope this helps Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM To: Tiger Net Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 10:10:50 2021 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 11:10:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild In-Reply-To: <000701d727d0$8c48c8a0$a4da59e0$@bluefrog.com> References: <000701d727d0$8c48c8a0$a4da59e0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: When I rebuilt my seats I think I was trying to use the original hooks on the new diaphragms and I couldn't stretch the rubber enough to get all of the hooks in. Then I tried some new hooks and they worked fine. The newer hooks were longer than the old ones, so I guess the newer diaphragm is a little smaller than the original. Or maybe I have all of that backwards. Regards, Joe On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:58 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: > Stu > > 1st you need to determine which style seat you have and > compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog . Joe Parlanti?s article > is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is also > a seat cover with a separate center section. Once you know which style, > you can make an order. > > > > No matter which style seat you have ? always take pictures and take really > good notes as you disassemble the seats. > > Disassembly is the easy part ? its understanding the assembly process that > takes time and thought to organize. > > Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them. > > > > Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners ? SS has most of > them available. > > I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4? x 26 BSF and 5/16? x 22 > BSF, to clear up some threads. > > > > I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped and > fell apart too quickly. I?m not sure where I got those diaphragms but the > ones I got from SS are doing nicely. > > > > I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal > corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips. The corners should be > fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require more > effort as you proceed. It has been way too long since I did any of this > work so work carefully. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Stu via > Tigers > *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM > *To:* Tiger Net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild > > > > I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the > seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats > from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about > restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into > before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. > > > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 10:29:28 2021 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 12:29:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS In-Reply-To: <2EB6789E-D067-40F1-9F2A-E6E14B84C7C9@gmail.com> References: <000701d727d0$8c48c8a0$a4da59e0$@bluefrog.com> <2EB6789E-D067-40F1-9F2A-E6E14B84C7C9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Do them one at a time, no parts mix up that way. The diaphragms are not difficult to install, use visegrips to pull the hooks into place. The hardest part can sometimes be getting the screws to come out of the bases, once you get them, the rest is pretty much self explanatory. Use plenty of contact cement in the recess and i put a 9 inch wide car battery on it over night while the glue dries. put a piece of cardboard under said battery so the pattern on the battery doesn't transfer to the seat. On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:37 AM Jay via Tigers wrote: > Ron makes a good point about buying from SS. When I first got my Alpine > in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget. So cost mattered. > SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts from other vendors - > ignoring the little story in the back of the SS catalog showing why their > stuff was different. SS really went the extra step to get things done > right, and so much of what the other places had was garbage. I ended up > basically throwing out carpet, full rubber kit, and tonneau from other > suppliers. VB even had the wrong servos for the car. I won?t buy from > anyone else but SS now. Of course Rick is now a good friend. > > There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think that was the > name), on the east coast. I believe he and Rick worked together in > designing and getting many of the parts made. So I would have equally gone > to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick. I don?t know if Curt is > still out there. > > And now VB no longer exists either. Just as well. I don?t know where > their inventory went. But I?d still be careful of buying any of it. > > Best, > Jay > > On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers > wrote: > > Stu > 1st you need to determine which style seat you have and > compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog . Joe Parlanti?s article > is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is also > a seat cover with a separate center section. Once you know which style, > you can make an order. > > No matter which style seat you have ? always take pictures and take really > good notes as you disassemble the seats. > Disassembly is the easy part ? its understanding the assembly process that > takes time and thought to organize. > Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them. > > Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners ? SS has most of > them available. > I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4? x 26 BSF and 5/16? x 22 > BSF, to clear up some threads. > > I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped and > fell apart too quickly. I?m not sure where I got those diaphragms but the > ones I got from SS are doing nicely. > > I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal > corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips. The corners should be > fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require more > effort as you proceed. It has been way too long since I did any of this > work so work carefully. > > Hope this helps > > Ron Fraser > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Stu via > Tigers > *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM > *To:* Tiger Net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild > > I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the > seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats > from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about > restoring Mk 1A seats? 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URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Apr 2 12:20:08 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 14:20:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS In-Reply-To: <2EB6789E-D067-40F1-9F2A-E6E14B84C7C9@gmail.com> References: <000701d727d0$8c48c8a0$a4da59e0$@bluefrog.com> <2EB6789E-D067-40F1-9F2A-E6E14B84C7C9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901d727ec$d2ff97d0$78fec770$@bluefrog.com> Jay As I understand it Moss bought VB. That might be a good thing if Moss maintains a Sunbeam inventory and they upgrade quality and description of those parts. I don?t know if Moss just bought the inventory of VB or the building too. Since VB was part of LMC Trucks complex anything is possible. Ron Fraser From: Jay Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 11:35 AM To: Ron Fraser Cc: Stu ; Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS Ron makes a good point about buying from SS. When I first got my Alpine in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget. So cost mattered. SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts from other vendors - ignoring the little story in the back of the SS catalog showing why their stuff was different. SS really went the extra step to get things done right, and so much of what the other places had was garbage. I ended up basically throwing out carpet, full rubber kit, and tonneau from other suppliers. VB even had the wrong servos for the car. I won?t buy from anyone else but SS now. Of course Rick is now a good friend. There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think that was the name), on the east coast. I believe he and Rick worked together in designing and getting many of the parts made. So I would have equally gone to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick. I don?t know if Curt is still out there. And now VB no longer exists either. Just as well. I don?t know where their inventory went. But I?d still be careful of buying any of it. Best, Jay On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers > wrote: Stu 1st you need to determine which style seat you have and compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog . Joe Parlanti?s article is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is also a seat cover with a separate center section. Once you know which style, you can make an order. No matter which style seat you have ? always take pictures and take really good notes as you disassemble the seats. Disassembly is the easy part ? its understanding the assembly process that takes time and thought to organize. Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them. Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners ? SS has most of them available. I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4? x 26 BSF and 5/16? x 22 BSF, to clear up some threads. I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped and fell apart too quickly. I?m not sure where I got those diaphragms but the ones I got from SS are doing nicely. I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips. The corners should be fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require more effort as you proceed. It has been way too long since I did any of this work so work carefully. Hope this helps Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Stu via Tigers Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM To: Tiger Net > Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 16:34:08 2021 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 18:34:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS In-Reply-To: <001901d727ec$d2ff97d0$78fec770$@bluefrog.com> References: <000701d727d0$8c48c8a0$a4da59e0$@bluefrog.com> <2EB6789E-D067-40F1-9F2A-E6E14B84C7C9@gmail.com> <001901d727ec$d2ff97d0$78fec770$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: It looks like they are not carrying Sunbeam stuff any more, nothing for us in their catalog now. Stu On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:29 PM Ron Fraser wrote: > Jay > > As I understand it Moss bought VB. That might be a good > thing if Moss maintains a Sunbeam inventory and they upgrade quality and > description of those parts. > > I don?t know if Moss just bought the inventory of VB or the building > too. Since VB was part of LMC Trucks complex anything is possible. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > *From:* Jay > *Sent:* Friday, April 02, 2021 11:35 AM > *To:* Ron Fraser > *Cc:* Stu ; Tigers > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild - Why always SS > > > > Ron makes a good point about buying from SS. When I first got my Alpine > in 1978, I was in high school and on a tighter budget. So cost mattered. > SS was usually more expensive, and I would get parts from other vendors - > ignoring the little story in the back of the SS catalog showing why their > stuff was different. SS really went the extra step to get things done > right, and so much of what the other places had was garbage. I ended up > basically throwing out carpet, full rubber kit, and tonneau from other > suppliers. VB even had the wrong servos for the car. I won?t buy from > anyone else but SS now. Of course Rick is now a good friend. > > > > There was also Curt or Kurt of Classic Sunbeams (I think that was the > name), on the east coast. I believe he and Rick worked together in > designing and getting many of the parts made. So I would have equally gone > to Curt if not for my later friendship with Rick. I don?t know if Curt is > still out there. > > > > And now VB no longer exists either. Just as well. I don?t know where > their inventory went. But I?d still be careful of buying any of it. > > > > Best, > > Jay > > > > On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers > wrote: > > > > Stu > > 1st you need to determine which style seat you have and > compare to the illustrations in the SS catalog . Joe Parlanti?s article > is excellent for that style seat cover and similar covers but there is also > a seat cover with a separate center section. Once you know which style, > you can make an order. > > > > No matter which style seat you have ? always take pictures and take really > good notes as you disassemble the seats. > > Disassembly is the easy part ? its understanding the assembly process that > takes time and thought to organize. > > Some parts may be SIDED so carefully note and mark them. > > > > Check the condition of all the hardware and fasteners ? SS has most of > them available. > > I had to also buy a couple of taps and dies, 1/4? x 26 BSF and 5/16? x 22 > BSF, to clear up some threads. > > > > I had bad luck a long time ago with the rubber diaphragms; they ripped and > fell apart too quickly. I?m not sure where I got those diaphragms but the > ones I got from SS are doing nicely. > > > > I believe the way to install the rubber diaphragms is to attach diagonal > corners 1st then attach the rest of the clips. The corners should be > fairly easy but the rest of them may become more difficult and require more > effort as you proceed. It has been way too long since I did any of this > work so work carefully. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Stu via > Tigers > *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:52 PM > *To:* Tiger Net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Mk 1A Seat Rebuild > > > > I've seen the Parlanti article on Tigers United, about rebuilding the > seats, but his seats were earlier than mine and had the straps. My seats > from my Mk 1A have the rubber diaphragm. Is there any info on line about > restoring Mk 1A seats? I want to be sure I know what I'm getting into > before pulling the trigger on an order to SS, or ripping mine apart. > > > > Stu > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 16:43:31 2021 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 18:43:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Rebuild Message-ID: Wow, I got lots of good info, thanks guys. More questions, of course. There's mention of clips that connect the diaphragm to the frame. Are those the clips SS lists as CLIP, UPHOLSTERY TO SEAT FRAME, IP85? Or are they something else? How many will I need per seat? I'll have a seat out of the car tomorrow for other reasons, so I'll see what I can see without taking anything apart. Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 17:16:44 2021 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 16:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95B5DFE3-3650-41E3-8847-C02AD67E5D72@gmail.com> If you are going to buy from SS, just ask them. They are there to help on stuff like this. (408) 371-1642. (And that?s a long memorized number - don?t even need speed dial). On Apr 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote: Wow, I got lots of good info, thanks guys. More questions, of course. There's mention of clips that connect the diaphragm to the frame. Are those the clips SS lists as CLIP, UPHOLSTERY TO SEAT FRAME, IP85? Or are they something else? How many will I need per seat? I'll have a seat out of the car tomorrow for other reasons, so I'll see what I can see without taking anything apart. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tym2 at comcast.net Sat Apr 3 07:59:06 2021 From: tym2 at comcast.net (Dr. T. Y. McDowell) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] One Wire Alternator Message-ID: <503275370.283637.1617458346903@connect.xfinity.com> Tigers, Some time ago there was a stream on the list regarding going from the generator to a one-wire alternator. I saved it at the time but cannot find it now. If anyone has that info, please send it to me. Thanks, Tym McDowell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Apr 3 08:28:41 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 10:28:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] One Wire Alternator In-Reply-To: <503275370.283637.1617458346903@connect.xfinity.com> References: <503275370.283637.1617458346903@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <000c01d72895$a8155f10$f8401d30$@bluefrog.com> Tym There are several ways to go for this conversion. Powermaster has a generator looking alternator for Ford engines >From Joel martin You can also take a 1965 style Ford Alternator install a regulator onto that alternator ? part from NPD catalog, make the original type voltage regulator into a Junction box. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2021 9:59 AM To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] One Wire Alternator Tigers, Some time ago there was a stream on the list regarding going from the generator to a one-wire alternator. I saved it at the time but cannot find it now. If anyone has that info, please send it to me. Thanks, Tym McDowell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 47622 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 11 07:01:26 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 07:01:26 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 30 years. 3 decades. Message-ID: <9fc87766-8759-1b66-8cb3-d474a68b12b0@bradakis.com> On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.? The British-cars mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet group.? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its peak.? For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.? As I recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list. And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks automatically.? Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, so to speak. Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 20 hours a week maintaining the server.? The first server had a 100 MHz processor.? Things have changed.? Back then just having a fast network connection at a residence was rare and expensive.? Good old DSL.? I remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net was off the air for 11 days straight.? I don't miss those days at all. Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.? I hope I can continue to provide a useful service for years to come. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: team_net.png Type: image/png Size: 17671 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 08:20:56 2021 From: lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com (Derrick Schmidt) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 14:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 30 years. 3 decades. In-Reply-To: <9fc87766-8759-1b66-8cb3-d474a68b12b0@bradakis.com> References: <9fc87766-8759-1b66-8cb3-d474a68b12b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1427670969.771579.1618150856179@mail.yahoo.com> We sure do appreciate it! Derrick Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, April 11, 2021, 6:01 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers wrote: On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.? The British-cars mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet group.? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its peak.? For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.? As I recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list. And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks automatically.? Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, so to speak. Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 20 hours a week maintaining the server.? The first server had a 100 MHz processor.? Things have changed.? Back then just having a fast network connection at a residence was rare and expensive.? Good old DSL.? I remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net was off the air for 11 days straight.? I don't miss those days at all. Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.? I hope I can continue to provide a useful service for years to come. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From packertl3 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 09:46:40 2021 From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 30 years. 3 decades. In-Reply-To: <9fc87766-8759-1b66-8cb3-d474a68b12b0@bradakis.com> References: <9fc87766-8759-1b66-8cb3-d474a68b12b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <71989106.314278.1618156000438@mail.yahoo.com> Mark The feeling of "Thank You" crosses our minds and enters our thoughts many more times than the words reach you. For all you have done and continue to do, especially that which we don't know and can't see, THANK YOU. Terry **************************************************** On Sunday, April 11, 2021, 6:04:14 AM PDT, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers wrote: On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.? The British-cars mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet group.? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its peak.? For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.? As I recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list. And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks automatically.? Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, so to speak. Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 20 hours a week maintaining the server.? The first server had a 100 MHz processor.? Things have changed.? Back then just having a fast network connection at a residence was rare and expensive.? Good old DSL.? I remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net was off the air for 11 days straight.? I don't miss those days at all. Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.? 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Please let me know thank you rick hyatt Sent from my iPhone From douglasalyle at yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 12:32:00 2021 From: douglasalyle at yahoo.com (Douglas Lyle) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rick McLeod and Sunbeam Specialties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1009483828.1228727.1618252320391@mail.yahoo.com> I just called 408-371-1642 and they answered..... On Monday, April 12, 2021, 11:28:34 AM PDT, Rick wrote: Hi I wondered if anyone could let me know if something is wrong. I?ve tried to contact Rick McLeod and Sunbeam Specialties for a week now. I?m not getting response by email and I?m getting a recording from Verizon that would indicate that the number is not working. I don?t know if something has happened or if his area code is changed. Please let me know thank you rick hyatt Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/douglasalyle at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 12:37:54 2021 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:37:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rick McLeod and Sunbeam Specialties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On the phone with him now. All is well - except their phone system. They switched providers, and the new system does weird things with the phone is busy. On Apr 12, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Rick wrote: Hi I wondered if anyone could let me know if something is wrong. I?ve tried to contact Rick McLeod and Sunbeam Specialties for a week now. I?m not getting response by email and I?m getting a recording from Verizon that would indicate that the number is not working. I don?t know if something has happened or if his area code is changed. Please let me know thank you rick hyatt Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com From icanhandyman at yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 01:23:15 2021 From: icanhandyman at yahoo.com (J Clark) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 07:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 30 years. 3 decades References: <1988557789.1475603.1618298595874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1988557789.1475603.1618298595874@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you, Mark, for your efforts over the years! 30! Wow! Jon Clark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <328093914.923946.1618336597343@mail.yahoo.com> References: <328093914.923946.1618336597343.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <328093914.923946.1618336597343@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <158895048.1286283.1618358042561@mail.yahoo.com> I had my original steering wheel restored by Madera Concepts in Golita, near Santa Barbara.? Before restoration, my wheel was complete but had numerous significant cracks.? The finished product was perfect.? The work cost around $650 and took about 10 days.? ?Highly recommended. Madera Concepts Inc. Automotive Wood Restoration?Specialists - Since 1982 Exotic Wooden Dashboards and?Interior Trim Components 55 - B ?Depot ?Rd. ? Goleta, ?CA. ?93117 805-962-1579 ?7am to 3:30pm PT??Mon - Thursday and till Noon on?Friday Visit our website:??www.maderaconcepts.com On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:00:51 AM PDT, Tony Lang via Tigers wrote: ?Hoping that someone knows the name and phone number of the young man in New Mexico (IMS) that restores Tiger steering wheels. I had his contact information until my old phone locked up. A good reason to keep adding new names/numbers to an old email and continue forwarding it to yourself or putting them in a folder or something. Getting old sure has it drawbacks.? Tony Lang (TtT)_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/randya at pacbell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randya at pacbell.net Wed Apr 14 12:38:56 2021 From: randya at pacbell.net (Randall Antosiak) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Original steering wheel refurbished?? In-Reply-To: <158895048.1286283.1618358042561@mail.yahoo.com> References: <328093914.923946.1618336597343.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <328093914.923946.1618336597343@mail.yahoo.com> <158895048.1286283.1618358042561@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1678224852.1495402.1618425536994@mail.yahoo.com> I should mention that Madera only refinishes the steering wheel wood.? I also needed a replacement hub, and I purchased one from Eric Gibeaut (sunbeams at scc.rr.com) for about $400.? ?Excellent quality on the replacement hub.? I did have to paint the hub to match the surrounding material but that was not a big deal. On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 04:55:00 PM PDT, Randall Antosiak via Tigers wrote: I had my original steering wheel restored by Madera Concepts in Golita, near Santa Barbara.? Before restoration, my wheel was complete but had numerous significant cracks.? The finished product was perfect.? The work cost around $650 and took about 10 days.? ?Highly recommended. Madera Concepts Inc. Automotive Wood Restoration?Specialists - Since 1982 Exotic Wooden Dashboards and?Interior Trim Components 55 - B ?Depot ?Rd. ? Goleta, ?CA. ?93117 805-962-1579 ?7am to 3:30pm PT??Mon - Thursday and till Noon on?Friday Visit our website:??www.maderaconcepts.com On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:00:51 AM PDT, Tony Lang via Tigers wrote: ?Hoping that someone knows the name and phone number of the young man in New Mexico (IMS) that restores Tiger steering wheels. I had his contact information until my old phone locked up. A good reason to keep adding new names/numbers to an old email and continue forwarding it to yourself or putting them in a folder or something. Getting old sure has it drawbacks.? Tony Lang (TtT)_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/randya at pacbell.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/randya at pacbell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbyron17 at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 11:19:15 2021 From: jbyron17 at gmail.com (Joe Byron) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:19:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 30 years. 3 decades. In-Reply-To: <71989106.314278.1618156000438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9fc87766-8759-1b66-8cb3-d474a68b12b0@bradakis.com> <71989106.314278.1618156000438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dittos on Terry's reply. Thank you. Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 8:52 AM Terry Packer via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Mark > > The feeling of "Thank You" crosses our minds and enters our thoughts many > more times than the words reach you. For all you have done and continue to > do, especially that which we don't know and can't see, THANK YOU. > > Terry > > **************************************************** > > On Sunday, April 11, 2021, 6:04:14 AM PDT, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being. The British-cars > mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet > group. Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at > the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 > different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its > peak. For a while it was pretty much the only game in town. As I > recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary > event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list. > > And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me > behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these > days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks > automatically. Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, > so to speak. Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 20 > hours a week maintaining the server. The first server had a 100 MHz > processor. Things have changed. Back then just having a fast network > connection at a residence was rare and expensive. Good old DSL. I > remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net > was off the air for 11 days straight. I don't miss those days at all. > > Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here. I hope I can > continue to provide a useful service for years to come. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbyron17 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you, Eric Gibeaut From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Sat Apr 17 06:57:27 2021 From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul Sheahan) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:57:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance References: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884.ref@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> Tigers Owners, I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. Thanks, Paul Sent from my iPad From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 07:18:06 2021 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:18:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> References: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884.ref@prodigy.net> <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> Message-ID: Both Grundy and Haggarty specialize in "collector cars." I use Grundy, have never had a claim. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 8:57 AM Paul Sheahan via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Tigers Owners, > I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with > Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience > with claims. > Thanks, > Paul > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimdamelio at verizon.net Sat Apr 17 07:33:47 2021 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:33:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> Message-ID: I use Hagerty. No claims yet. They give TEAE members a 5% discount.? I have Allstate for my daily drivers and they arranged it for me.? You tell them what you think it's worth and send pictures.? Pay once a year.Jim DSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Paul Sheahan via Tigers Date: 4/17/21 8:57 AM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Insurance Tigers Owners,???? I need to change my insurance on my Tigers.? I am currently with Nationwide.? Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims.? Thanks,PaulSent from my iPad_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tym2 at comcast.net Sat Apr 17 07:37:34 2021 From: tym2 at comcast.net (Dr. T. Y. McDowell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> References: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884.ref@prodigy.net> <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <2024829934.344918.1618666654911@connect.xfinity.com> I've used Grundy for years. I've never had a claim. Tym McDowell > On 04/17/2021 8:57 AM Paul Sheahan via Tigers wrote: > > > Tigers Owners, > I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. > Thanks, > Paul > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net From bobwanty at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 11:36:56 2021 From: bobwanty at gmail.com (Bob Wanty) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <2024829934.344918.1618666654911@connect.xfinity.com> References: <2024829934.344918.1618666654911@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I use Grundy for my Porsche and Tiger no claims yet. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Dr. T. Y. McDowell wrote: > > ?I've used Grundy for years. I've never had a claim. > > Tym McDowell >> On 04/17/2021 8:57 AM Paul Sheahan via Tigers wrote: >> >> >> Tigers Owners, >> I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. >> Thanks, >> Paul >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobwanty at gmail.com > > From jliny5 at cox.net Sat Apr 17 11:43:25 2021 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:43:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> References: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <05AB20F4-155D-4BC1-99B9-0A1E5049F5F8@cox.net> Paul I use Hagerty. I have had one claim for some paint damage I caused through my own stupidity. They paid the claim without question. Yes, Hagerty does give TEAE members a 5% discount. Jim L. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 17, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Paul Sheahan via Tigers wrote: > > ?Tigers Owners, > I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. > Thanks, > Paul > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net > > From rollright at aol.com Sat Apr 17 12:28:18 2021 From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:28:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C423E98-B515-4EF8-942B-96B9C7AB214D@aol.com> I too use Haggerty and have had good luck with one claim some 20 years ago. Most of the time they allow a 5% discount for TEAE, but not in Massachusetts as well as a few other states. Jim Armstrong Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2021, at 1:47 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > ?Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Insurance (Paul Sheahan) > 2. Re: Insurance (Tom Parker) > 3. Re: Insurance (jimdamelio) > 4. Re: Insurance (Dr. T. Y. McDowell) > 5. Re: Insurance (Bob Wanty) > 6. Re: Insurance (James Lindner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:57:27 -0400 > From: Paul Sheahan > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" > Subject: [Tigers] Insurance > Message-ID: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884 at prodigy.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Tigers Owners, > I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. > Thanks, > Paul > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:18:06 -0400 > From: Tom Parker > To: Paul Sheahan > Cc: "tigers at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Insurance > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Both Grundy and Haggarty specialize in "collector cars." I use Grundy, have > never had a claim. > > Tom > '67 Mark 2 > >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 8:57 AM Paul Sheahan via Tigers < >> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> Tigers Owners, >> I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with >> Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience >> with claims. >> Thanks, >> Paul >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:33:47 -0400 > From: jimdamelio > To: Paul Sheahan , "tigers at autox.team.net" > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Insurance > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I use Hagerty. No claims yet. They give TEAE members a 5% discount.? I have Allstate for my daily drivers and they arranged it for me.? You tell them what you think it's worth and send pictures.? Pay once a year.Jim DSent from my Galaxy > -------- Original message --------From: Paul Sheahan via Tigers Date: 4/17/21 8:57 AM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Insurance Tigers Owners,???? I need to change my insurance on my Tigers.? I am currently with Nationwide.? Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims.? Thanks,PaulSent from my iPad_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio at verizon.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:37:34 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" > To: Paul Sheahan , Paul Sheahan via Tigers > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Insurance > Message-ID: <2024829934.344918.1618666654911 at connect.xfinity.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I've used Grundy for years. I've never had a claim. > > Tym McDowell >> On 04/17/2021 8:57 AM Paul Sheahan via Tigers wrote: >> >> >> Tigers Owners, >> I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. >> Thanks, >> Paul >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:36:56 -0400 > From: Bob Wanty > To: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" > Cc: Paul Sheahan , Paul Sheahan via Tigers > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Insurance > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I use Grundy for my Porsche and Tiger no claims yet. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 17, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Dr. T. Y. McDowell wrote: >> >> ?I've used Grundy for years. I've never had a claim. >> >> Tym McDowell >>>> On 04/17/2021 8:57 AM Paul Sheahan via Tigers wrote: >>> >>> >>> Tigers Owners, >>> I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. >>> Thanks, >>> Paul >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobwanty at gmail.com >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:43:25 -0400 > From: James Lindner > To: Paul Sheahan > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Insurance > Message-ID: <05AB20F4-155D-4BC1-99B9-0A1E5049F5F8 at cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Paul > > I use Hagerty. I have had one claim for some paint damage I caused through my own stupidity. They paid the claim without question. Yes, Hagerty does give TEAE members a 5% discount. > > Jim L. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 17, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Paul Sheahan via Tigers wrote: >> >> ?Tigers Owners, >> I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. >> Thanks, >> Paul >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 50 > ************************************** From dave.barakat at icloud.com Sat Apr 17 14:29:34 2021 From: dave.barakat at icloud.com (Dave Barakat) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:29:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <05AB20F4-155D-4BC1-99B9-0A1E5049F5F8@cox.net> References: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> <05AB20F4-155D-4BC1-99B9-0A1E5049F5F8@cox.net> Message-ID: <3A79D6CC-C190-40A3-930D-219FE055956E@icloud.com> I have used Hagerty for all of my classics including my Tiger for many years. They are great and very easy to interface with. > On Apr 17, 2021, at 10:43 AM, James Lindner wrote: > > Paul > > I use Hagerty. I have had one claim for some paint damage I caused through my own stupidity. They paid the claim without question. Yes, Hagerty does give TEAE members a 5% discount. > > Jim L. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 17, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Paul Sheahan via Tigers wrote: >> >> ?Tigers Owners, >> I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. >> Thanks, >> Paul >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave.barakat at icloud.com > > From jay.laifman at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 14:45:28 2021 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:45:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <2024829934.344918.1618666654911@connect.xfinity.com> References: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884.ref@prodigy.net> <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> <2024829934.344918.1618666654911@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I?ve posted these thoughts here before. Might as well do it again: (1) Be sure you know what kind of insurance you are getting: stated value or agreed value. Stated value means you say the value, and they bill you premiums at that rate, but in a loss situation, they can still argue with you about the value (within limits). Agreed value is that they are agreeing that is the value, and if you have a loss, there is no haggling on value. I?m not saying stated value is bad. I?m just saying be sure you know what you are getting - and don?t assume it is agreed value. (2) Be sure to know what the limits are for your use of the car. Some of the classic policies will not cover you if you have a loss while in a hardware store parking lot, or in driving to work, or letting your less than 25 year old son or daughter drive it. Those all killed it for me for my uses. I decided it was better to be under insured than uninsured for my uses. When I spoke to ALL the companies, they all had some form of limitation that I wasn?t willing to live with. A buddy of mine has an XK140 and he drives it to work all the time. Good for him. But he says if he ever gets in an accident or its stolen, he will tell the insurance company he drove it to work that day because he was taking it to the shop. That might be fine for him. But again, I?d rather be underinsured than insurance fraud. (3) All of the companies require that you have another car of less than 15 years old. And for all drivers. You may have that. I actually don?t. My wife has a newer car. But that didn?t count. On Apr 17, 2021, at 6:37 AM, Dr. T. Y. McDowell wrote: I've used Grundy for years. I've never had a claim. Tym McDowell > On 04/17/2021 8:57 AM Paul Sheahan via Tigers > wrote: > > > Tigers Owners, > I need to change my insurance on my Tigers. I am currently with Nationwide. Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims. > Thanks, > Paul > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Insurance (James Lindner) From randya at pacbell.net Mon Apr 19 11:14:48 2021 From: randya at pacbell.net (Randall Antosiak) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> References: <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884.ref@prodigy.net> <7F0B0932-D15D-4E22-AAAC-1C55F186B884@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <1607188090.2606225.1618852488315@mail.yahoo.com> Previously I had Haggerty and now have Grundy.? ?No claims on either.? ?I switched because Grundy cost about half of Haggerty.? ?Also, I vaguely recall that Haggerty restricts car usage to club events, whereas Grundy has no such restriction.? I could be wrong about this. On Saturday, April 17, 2021, 05:58:26 AM PDT, Paul Sheahan via Tigers wrote: Tigers Owners, ? ? I need to change my insurance on my Tigers.? I am currently with Nationwide.? Any suggestions would be appreciated including any experience with claims.? Thanks, Paul Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/randya at pacbell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 21 13:06:11 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input pressure Message-ID: <608077A3.6030406@austin.rr.com> I just put an Edelbrock electric fuel pump on my 66 MK1A with an original 2 barrel carb . The pump had a rating of 4-7psi. At idle it is reading 8.5psi. I have not yet tested it under load. Is the 8.5psi too high for the float control valve to operate properly and should i put a regulator on it? Any input appreciated. Terry From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Apr 21 14:00:48 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 16:00:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input pressure In-Reply-To: <608077A3.6030406@austin.rr.com> References: <608077A3.6030406@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001d736e9$074ebec0$15ec3c40$@bluefrog.com> Terry I believe the Autolite carb is looking for a max of 4.5 psi. The original SU pump delivered about 2 psi. You need to check the running fuel pressure to know if you will need a regulator or a lower psi pump. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via Tigers Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 3:06 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input pressure I just put an Edelbrock electric fuel pump on my 66 MK1A with an original 2 barrel carb . The pump had a rating of 4-7psi. At idle it is reading 8.5psi. I have not yet tested it under load. Is the 8.5psi too high for the float control valve to operate properly and should i put a regulator on it? Any input appreciated. Terry _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com From jay.laifman at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 14:31:55 2021 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:31:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input pressure In-Reply-To: <000001d736e9$074ebec0$15ec3c40$@bluefrog.com> References: <608077A3.6030406@austin.rr.com> <000001d736e9$074ebec0$15ec3c40$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: I do not know the specifics on the Tiger carb. I do know from other car that when they say 2.5-3 psi for Webers, they really mean it. Higher pressure doesn?t help with performance, and can only hurt. But further, I understand the volume of flow is also equally critical in picking the right fuel pump. On Apr 21, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: Terry I believe the Autolite carb is looking for a max of 4.5 psi. The original SU pump delivered about 2 psi. You need to check the running fuel pressure to know if you will need a regulator or a lower psi pump. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via Tigers Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 3:06 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input pressure I just put an Edelbrock electric fuel pump on my 66 MK1A with an original 2 barrel carb . The pump had a rating of 4-7psi. At idle it is reading 8.5psi. I have not yet tested it under load. Is the 8.5psi too high for the float control valve to operate properly and should i put a regulator on it? Any input appreciated. Terry _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harryb at elams.org Wed Apr 21 15:03:36 2021 From: harryb at elams.org (H B Elam) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:03:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input Message-ID: Hi all! I have had elex fuel pump problems since 1964 & an MGA. In my Tiger I have two pumps piped in parallel. There is no shifting valve as both have check valves. I only shift them electrically. The stock SU idles at 3.5 psi and the aftermarket at 4.2 psi. While I really can not notice any performance change I only use the aftermarket for troubles or autocrossing. The issue is not the carb but the float valve. My research indicated that most float valves are good for 7 psi. Harry Elam B382000471 From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Apr 21 15:48:16 2021 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:48:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Harry, What kind of check valves? Photos? Thanks, Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, H B Elam via Tigers wrote: > > ?Hi all! > I have had elex fuel pump problems since 1964 & an MGA. In my Tiger I have two pumps piped in parallel. There is no shifting valve as both have check valves. I only shift them electrically. The stock SU idles at 3.5 psi and the aftermarket at 4.2 psi. While I really can not notice any performance change I only use the aftermarket for troubles or autocrossing. The issue is not the carb but the float valve. My research indicated that most float valves are good for 7 psi. > > Harry Elam > B382000471 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > From harryb at elams.org Wed Apr 21 15:54:47 2021 From: harryb at elams.org (H B Elam) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:54:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14FF3CA3-5074-427D-B196-E99EA28039E4@elams.org> Have used both Holly and parts store standard. My problem had been fuel boil over after returning to garage. It seemed that the boil over defeated the float valve and emptied that float chambers. I solved the problem with heat spacers from a guy out of Pittsburgh. Regards, Harry > On Apr 21, 2021, at 5:48 PM, Gary wrote: > > ?Harry, > What kind of check valves? > Photos? > Thanks, > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, H B Elam via Tigers wrote: >> >> ?Hi all! >> I have had elex fuel pump problems since 1964 & an MGA. In my Tiger I have two pumps piped in parallel. There is no shifting valve as both have check valves. I only shift them electrically. The stock SU idles at 3.5 psi and the aftermarket at 4.2 psi. While I really can not notice any performance change I only use the aftermarket for troubles or autocrossing. The issue is not the carb but the float valve. My research indicated that most float valves are good for 7 psi. >> >> Harry Elam >> B382000471 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> > From bucktrippel at verizon.net Wed Apr 21 16:08:09 2021 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:08:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Registration now Open References: <165701d736fa$d0f91e30$72eb5a90$.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <165701d736fa$d0f91e30$72eb5a90$@verizon.net> Early registration for SUNI is now open! And the Hilton Hotel is now accepting reservations from SUNI participants. This early registration period only lasts about a month and offers substantial discounts over the costs during standard registration which will begin June 1st. Register for the event and make your hotel reservations soon for the best deals and selections. SUNI registration: https://sunbeamsunited.com/registration/ Official SUNI website: https://sunbeamsunited.com/ Hotel Reservation: https://www.hilton.com/en/book/rese...umAdults=1&cid=OM,WW,HILTONLINK,en,Dir ectLink Buck Trippel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 19:31:39 2021 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:31:39 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input pressure In-Reply-To: <608077A3.6030406@austin.rr.com> References: <608077A3.6030406@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Terry, Carbs are low pressure fuel systems, often bellow 3psi. what is important for a larger carb is not pressure but GPA (flow rate) I cant give you the specific for your carb, but i'd be shocked if the required psi was above 4... and at over that you will be causing yourself issues. Ask the edelbrock tech guys what psi AND flow rate they recommend. On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 03:06, Terry Lawell via Tigers wrote: > I just put an Edelbrock electric fuel pump on my 66 MK1A with an > original 2 barrel carb . The pump had a rating of 4-7psi. At idle it is > reading 8.5psi. I have not yet tested it under load. Is the 8.5psi too > high for the float control valve to operate properly and should i put a > regulator on it? Any input appreciated. > > Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlawell at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 21 19:35:22 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:35:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input In-Reply-To: <14FF3CA3-5074-427D-B196-E99EA28039E4@elams.org> References: <14FF3CA3-5074-427D-B196-E99EA28039E4@elams.org> Message-ID: <6080D2DA.1030206@austin.rr.com> Thanks for the inputs. The volume on this pump is 38 gal/hr and I think the standard su is about 28gal/hr, so that should not be a problem. I will probably install a good regulator and set the psi to about 5psi. On 4/21/21, 4:54 PM, H B Elam via Tigers wrote: > Have used both Holly and parts store standard. My problem had been fuel boil over after returning to garage. It seemed that the boil over defeated the float valve and emptied that float chambers. I solved the problem with heat spacers from a guy out of Pittsburgh. > > Regards, > Harry > >> On Apr 21, 2021, at 5:48 PM, Gary wrote: >> >> ?Harry, >> What kind of check valves? >> Photos? >> Thanks, >> Gary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, H B Elam via Tigers wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi all! >>> I have had elex fuel pump problems since 1964 & an MGA. In my Tiger I have two pumps piped in parallel. There is no shifting valve as both have check valves. I only shift them electrically. The stock SU idles at 3.5 psi and the aftermarket at 4.2 psi. While I really can not notice any performance change I only use the aftermarket for troubles or autocrossing. The issue is not the carb but the float valve. My research indicated that most float valves are good for 7 psi. >>> >>> Harry Elam >>> B382000471 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tlawell at austin.rr.com > > From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Apr 21 21:04:12 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 23:04:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Carburetor input In-Reply-To: <6080D2DA.1030206@austin.rr.com> References: <14FF3CA3-5074-427D-B196-E99EA28039E4@elams.org> <6080D2DA.1030206@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <001801d73724$2f6816a0$8e3843e0$@bluefrog.com> Terry The Shop Manual indicates that the Tiger SU fuel pump delivers 15 Gal/ hour. That rate of fuel is adequate for about 200 HP so it easily covers the fuel requirements for the MK I and Mk II. I believe the Tiger's 5/16" fuel line has the capacity to supply up to 300 HP, around 400 HP you need 3/8" line to supply adequate amount of fuel. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell via Tigers Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:35 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carburetor input Thanks for the inputs. The volume on this pump is 38 gal/hr and I think the standard su is about 28gal/hr, so that should not be a problem. I will probably install a good regulator and set the psi to about 5psi. On 4/21/21, 4:54 PM, H B Elam via Tigers wrote: > Have used both Holly and parts store standard. My problem had been fuel boil over after returning to garage. It seemed that the boil over defeated the float valve and emptied that float chambers. I solved the problem with heat spacers from a guy out of Pittsburgh. > > Regards, > Harry > >> On Apr 21, 2021, at 5:48 PM, Gary wrote: >> >> ?Harry, >> What kind of check valves? >> Photos? >> Thanks, >> Gary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 21, 2021, at 2:09 PM, H B Elam via Tigers wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi all! >>> I have had elex fuel pump problems since 1964 & an MGA. In my Tiger I have two pumps piped in parallel. There is no shifting valve as both have check valves. I only shift them electrically. The stock SU idles at 3.5 psi and the aftermarket at 4.2 psi. While I really can not notice any performance change I only use the aftermarket for troubles or autocrossing. The issue is not the carb but the float valve. My research indicated that most float valves are good for 7 psi. >>> >>> Harry Elam >>> B382000471 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tlawell at austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com From tlawell at austin.rr.com Sun Apr 25 17:05:49 2021 From: tlawell at austin.rr.com (Terry Lawell) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:05:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A 2 barrel carburetor Message-ID: <6085F5CD.9040008@austin.rr.com> Can anyone tell me where the best place is to buy a stock 2 barrel carb for my MK1A? Cheers, Terry From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Apr 25 18:13:36 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:13:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A 2 barrel carburetor In-Reply-To: <6085F5CD.9040008@austin.rr.com> References: <6085F5CD.9040008@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000501d73a31$01399b40$03acd1c0$@bluefrog.com> Terry Are you looking for a remanufactured carb or an original Autolite carb? Remanufactured carb should be available through Mustang or Falcon catalogs - I think NAPA still sell carbs. Original carb is an Autolite ID# C4DF-S for a Mk1A - list members or swap meets. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 7:06 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A 2 barrel carburetor Can anyone tell me where the best place is to buy a stock 2 barrel carb for my MK1A? Cheers, Terry _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com From sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Apr 26 06:42:54 2021 From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com (STEPHEN HALBROOK) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 08:42:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A 2 barrel carburetor In-Reply-To: <000501d73a31$01399b40$03acd1c0$@bluefrog.com> References: <000501d73a31$01399b40$03acd1c0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <0CE8E66B-5942-4FAF-9A49-D33B8DC1B054@cs.com> I have a stock unit that needs to be rebuilt. Also several manifolds. Steve Halbrook Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > ?Terry > Are you looking for a remanufactured carb or an original Autolite > carb? > > Remanufactured carb should be available through Mustang or Falcon catalogs - > I think NAPA still sell carbs. > Original carb is an Autolite ID# C4DF-S for a Mk1A - list members or swap > meets. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tigers On Behalf Of Terry Lawell > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 7:06 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A 2 barrel carburetor > > Can anyone tell me where the best place is to buy a stock 2 barrel carb for > my MK1A? > > Cheers, Terry > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sjhcobra1 at cs.com > > From jimdamelio at verizon.net Tue Apr 27 11:45:00 2021 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Servo Vacuum Line Fittings Message-ID: Does anyone have the fitting to attach the vacuum pipe/hose to the servo on a Tiger. Need the servo and intake fittings. Banjo?bolts and such.? I'm asking for a friend who's Tiger came without a servo.? He has rebuilt a 7" unit, but doesn't have the fittings.? He would prefer the MKIA vacuum pipe setup, but would be happy with the MKI hose setup. I assume the Alpine is the same except for intake fittings.? Lots of people run without servo's, so figure there might be some laying around.Jim DSent from my Galaxy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Apr 27 17:48:58 2021 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:48:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FYI Message-ID: <000001d73bbf$e58219a0$b0864ce0$@bluefrog.com> FYI Bob Mannel's book - Mustang and Ford Small block V8 1962 - 1969 is now also in PDF format. fordsmallblock.com RPM Press If your interested in the Ford engine subject. There is a small amount of Tiger engine information included now. I recently sent Bob a note about an error I saw in his Appendix D and some additional information. Bob made the corrections by the next day. I have no connection to this publication other than emailing Bob with mostly Ford engine questions. Ron Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From racetig at verizon.net Wed Apr 28 14:54:48 2021 From: racetig at verizon.net (Rob Roy) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 58 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1935371708.1003489.1619643288404@mail.yahoo.com> Jim D, Contact me at racetig at hotmail.com.? I can help with servo fittings. Rob -----Original Message----- From: tigers-request at autox.team.net To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 1:00 pm Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 58 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Tiger Servo Vacuum Line Fittings (jimdamelio) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:45:00 -0400 From: jimdamelio To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Servo Vacuum Line Fittings Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Does anyone have the fitting to attach the vacuum pipe/hose to the servo on a Tiger. Need the servo and intake fittings. Banjo?bolts and such.? I'm asking for a friend who's Tiger came without a servo.? He has rebuilt a 7" unit, but doesn't have the fittings.? He would prefer the MKIA vacuum pipe setup, but would be happy with the MKI hose setup. I assume the Alpine is the same except for intake fittings.? Lots of people run without servo's, so figure there might be some laying around.Jim DSent from my Galaxy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stock Tiger distributors have ID#s - C4OF-A - has oil port, Z5TF-C and C5AF-M Has anyone pulled apart their stock Tiger distributor or vacuum advance canister? What color is the Primary spring with short end loops and the Secondary spring with the longer end loops. What color is the spring in the vacuum canister. Send picture if you have them. Thanks for your help Ron Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: