From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Feb 10 13:08:39 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:08:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine Tag Message-ID: <000601d5e04d$e4e03460$aea09d20$@bluefrog.com> I recently received an engine tag photo from the E7KL engine group with a 3-K date code = Oct 1963. The engine tag is that small aluminum tag mounted on the intake manifold. This was totally unexpected; Bob Mannel's book indicated that Ford started using the engine tags Jan 1964. This early tag indicates that the Cleveland Foundry started using these tags much sooner than Jan 1964. This also make me wonder if all the Tiger engine groups had an engine tag. I'm therefore looking for photos of engine tags in the early engine groups T15KL, E7KL, G13KA and L2KA. As always, I'm looking for more information for my Original Tiger Engine Study so all info is welcome. Thank you for your help Ron Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Feb 10 15:16:26 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:16:26 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine Tag In-Reply-To: <000601d5e04d$e4e03460$aea09d20$@bluefrog.com> References: <000601d5e04d$e4e03460$aea09d20$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <2b2c6fd5-dd3e-16d8-37e6-92c66c42a98b@comcast.net> Ron, I am pretty sure I remember that my L2KA? (B9470622) DID have a tag..? but I threw it away in 1972 when I did a valve job. Gary Winblad On 2/10/2020 12:08 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: > > I recently received an engine tag photo from the E7KL engine group > with a 3-K date code = Oct 1963. > > The engine tag is that small aluminum tag mounted on the intake manifold. > > This was totally unexpected; Bob Mannel?s book indicated that Ford > started using the engine tags Jan 1964. > > This early tag indicates that the Cleveland Foundry started using > these tags much sooner than Jan 1964. > > This also make me wonder if all the Tiger engine groups had an engine tag. > > I?m therefore looking for photos of engine tags in the early engine > groups T15KL, E7KL, G13KA and L2KA. > > As always, I?m looking for more information for my *Original Tiger > Engine Study* so all info is welcome. > > Thank you for your help > > Ron Fraser > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blance598 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 08:11:14 2020 From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do not recall a tag on my eng, (B9470951). Beau ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 2:06 PM Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 To: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Tiger engine Tag (Ron Fraser) 2. Re: Tiger engine Tag (Gary) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:08:39 -0500 From: "Ron Fraser" To: Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine Tag Message-ID: <000601d5e04d$e4e03460$aea09d20$@bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recently received an engine tag photo from the E7KL engine group with a 3-K date code = Oct 1963. The engine tag is that small aluminum tag mounted on the intake manifold. This was totally unexpected; Bob Mannel's book indicated that Ford started using the engine tags Jan 1964. This early tag indicates that the Cleveland Foundry started using these tags much sooner than Jan 1964. This also make me wonder if all the Tiger engine groups had an engine tag. I'm therefore looking for photos of engine tags in the early engine groups T15KL, E7KL, G13KA and L2KA. As always, I'm looking for more information for my Original Tiger Engine Study so all info is welcome. Thank you for your help Ron Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200210/45c558ef/attachment-0001.htm > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:16:26 -0800 From: Gary To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine Tag Message-ID: <2b2c6fd5-dd3e-16d8-37e6-92c66c42a98b at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Ron, I am pretty sure I remember that my L2KA? (B9470622) DID have a tag..? but I threw it away in 1972 when I did a valve job. Gary Winblad On 2/10/2020 12:08 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: > > I recently received an engine tag photo from the E7KL engine group > with a 3-K date code = Oct 1963. > > The engine tag is that small aluminum tag mounted on the intake manifold. > > This was totally unexpected; Bob Mannel?s book indicated that Ford > started using the engine tags Jan 1964. > > This early tag indicates that the Cleveland Foundry started using > these tags much sooner than Jan 1964. > > This also make me wonder if all the Tiger engine groups had an engine tag. > > I?m therefore looking for photos of engine tags in the early engine > groups T15KL, E7KL, G13KA and L2KA. > > As always, I?m looking for more information for my *Original Tiger > Engine Study* so all info is welcome. > > Thank you for your help > > Ron Fraser > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Feb 12 10:20:19 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:20:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?I_am_selling_this_Sunbeam_Tiger=C2=A0=C2=A0_T?= =?utf-8?q?he_Book_Of_Norman?= Message-ID: It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Feb 12 12:21:36 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:21:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?I_am_selling_this_Sunbeam_Tiger=C2=A0=C2=A0_T?= =?utf-8?q?he_Book_Of_Norman?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59618f74-dbc6-e23f-b559-1ec3ffeccdfd@verizon.net> I wonder if it will hit the $3,455 Ebay price of about ten years ago? As stated they rarely come available and the few I've seen typically go for a few hundred dollars either side of $1,500 as best I recall. The for-mentioned being the exception. On 2/12/2020 9:20 AM, Gary via Tigers wrote: > It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: > http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189 > From jipme at hotmail.com Wed Feb 12 12:41:53 2020 From: jipme at hotmail.com (J H) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:41:53 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?I_am_selling_this_Sunbeam_Tiger=C2=A0=C2=A0_T?= =?utf-8?q?he_Book_Of_Norman?= In-Reply-To: <59618f74-dbc6-e23f-b559-1ec3ffeccdfd@verizon.net> References: <59618f74-dbc6-e23f-b559-1ec3ffeccdfd@verizon.net> Message-ID: Insane Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: > > ?I wonder if it will hit the $3,455 Ebay price of about ten years ago? As stated they rarely come available and the few I've seen typically go for a few hundred dollars either side of $1,500 as best I recall. The for-mentioned being the exception. > > >> On 2/12/2020 9:20 AM, Gary via Tigers wrote: >> It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Febay.us%2FKhqDrh%3FcmpnId%3D5338273189&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9bb8fcd8a42497eefd408d7aff0d65d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637171321224682080&sdata=QYTgD0Kc5v6bBAF%2BXVP%2FRJItjqVhRFfn5qDp9WTbCeo%3D&reserved=0 >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9bb8fcd8a42497eefd408d7aff0d65d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637171321224682080&sdata=8qQN2GhH3h4WTzumSRJdNAbpgSkFpOluycnEd4kVR7I%3D&reserved=0 > Archive: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ftigers&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9bb8fcd8a42497eefd408d7aff0d65d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637171321224682080&sdata=pZx6DIJX9Y%2B6IQjq%2B%2FyZRaRBMkhqRTWxcFlAZG%2FrbYk%3D&reserved=0 https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9bb8fcd8a42497eefd408d7aff0d65d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637171321224682080&sdata=WsgTqE%2FLLJG09fpAz01xw9ZRHUBIjLDmpdd5X74p7Tg%3D&reserved=0 > > Unsubscribe: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ftigers%2Fjipme%40hotmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9bb8fcd8a42497eefd408d7aff0d65d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637171321224682080&sdata=iC7PoMQkWK3G4365AYx5aGQK7%2FYpEbsLFxwNaPhrTZA%3D&reserved=0 > > From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 12:57:28 2020 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 14:57:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] I am selling this Sunbeam Tiger The Book Of Norman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to these price estimates both and the recent appraisal, my Tiger and my BON have appreciated by about the same percentage since I bought them. Stu On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 12:20 PM Gary via Tigers wrote: > It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: > http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Feb 12 13:46:13 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:46:13 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] I am selling this Sunbeam Tiger The Book Of Norman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This got me to thinking about when I bought my copy of TBON. I had seen the price climb quite a bit since I bought my Tiger in 2000. So, in 2001 I opted for this rare printers error version with Norm Miller approved reproduction of the missing pages. Norm even signed it for the seller beforehand. Note that I beat out perennial CAT President Buck Trippel to win the auction (sorry Buck I did know it was you at the time). If you look at our email addresses at the time (People PC and JPS? Jenkins/Perkins Service) are now both owned by Earthlink. How time has moved on. On 2/12/2020 11:57 AM, Stu via Tigers wrote: > According to these price estimates both and the recent appraisal, ?my > Tiger and my BON have appreciated by about the same percentage since I > bought them. > > Stu > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 12:20 PM Gary via Tigers > > wrote: > > It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: > http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Contact me off list to participate in my Original Tiger Engine Study ? this is an easy to fill out form and you don?t have to take your engine apart for this. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 10:11 AM To: Tiger Club. Submission Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Do not recall a tag on my eng, (B9470951). Beau ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: > Date: Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 2:06 PM Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 To: > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Tiger engine Tag (Ron Fraser) 2. Re: Tiger engine Tag (Gary) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:08:39 -0500 From: "Ron Fraser" > To: > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine Tag Message-ID: <000601d5e04d$e4e03460$aea09d20$@bluefrog.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recently received an engine tag photo from the E7KL engine group with a 3-K date code = Oct 1963. The engine tag is that small aluminum tag mounted on the intake manifold. This was totally unexpected; Bob Mannel's book indicated that Ford started using the engine tags Jan 1964. This early tag indicates that the Cleveland Foundry started using these tags much sooner than Jan 1964. This also make me wonder if all the Tiger engine groups had an engine tag. I'm therefore looking for photos of engine tags in the early engine groups T15KL, E7KL, G13KA and L2KA. As always, I'm looking for more information for my Original Tiger Engine Study so all info is welcome. Thank you for your help Ron Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:16:26 -0800 From: Gary > To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine Tag Message-ID: <2b2c6fd5-dd3e-16d8-37e6-92c66c42a98b at comcast.net > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Ron, I am pretty sure I remember that my L2KA? (B9470622) DID have a tag..? but I threw it away in 1972 when I did a valve job. Gary Winblad On 2/10/2020 12:08 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: > > I recently received an engine tag photo from the E7KL engine group > with a 3-K date code = Oct 1963. > > The engine tag is that small aluminum tag mounted on the intake manifold. > > This was totally unexpected; Bob Mannel?s book indicated that Ford > started using the engine tags Jan 1964. > > This early tag indicates that the Cleveland Foundry started using > these tags much sooner than Jan 1964. > > This also make me wonder if all the Tiger engine groups had an engine tag. > > I?m therefore looking for photos of engine tags in the early engine > groups T15KL, E7KL, G13KA and L2KA. > > As always, I?m looking for more information for my *Original Tiger > Engine Study* so all info is welcome. > > Thank you for your help > > Ron Fraser > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: > > ?It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twojohnsons at cox.net > > From peterjsilva at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 16:17:26 2020 From: peterjsilva at gmail.com (Peter Silva) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:17:26 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?I_am_selling_this_Sunbeam_Tiger=C2=A0=C2=A0_T?= =?utf-8?q?he_Book_Of_Norman?= In-Reply-To: <5D1DD617-5018-44BA-8E68-A2A86CDC1DE3@cox.net> References: <5D1DD617-5018-44BA-8E68-A2A86CDC1DE3@cox.net> Message-ID: Wow. I bought my copy for I think $75.00 when it first came out. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Al via Tigers wrote: > > ?Gee, I?ve got a perfect copy. > With perfect dust jacket. > What?s that be worth? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: >> >> ?It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twojohnsons at cox.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/peterjsilva at gmail.com > > From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 16:42:14 2020 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 17:42:14 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] I am selling this Sunbeam Tiger The Book Of Norman In-Reply-To: References: <5D1DD617-5018-44BA-8E68-A2A86CDC1DE3@cox.net> Message-ID: I bought mine through Sunbeam Specialties in 1995. The cost was $58 plus $5.30 for shipping. If this one sells for $1000 that would be a 1,480% return on investment or an annual return of 11.78% (if I'm doing the math right). I think this beats the Dow by a little bit. Regards, Joe Brown On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 5:17 PM Peter Silva via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Wow. > > I bought my copy for I think $75.00 when it first came out. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Al via Tigers > wrote: > > > > ?Gee, I?ve got a perfect copy. > > With perfect dust jacket. > > What?s that be worth? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Gary via Tigers > wrote: > >> > >> ?It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: > http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> tigers at autox.team.net > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > >> > >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twojohnsons at cox.net > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/peterjsilva at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Al via Tigers wrote: > > Gee, I?ve got a perfect copy. > With perfect dust jacket. > What?s that be worth? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: >> >> It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twojohnsons at cox.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/peterjsilva at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What?s that be worth?Sent from my iPhone> On Feb 12, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote:> > ?It is on eBay, let me know what do you think: http://ebay.us/KhqDrh?cmpnId=5338273189> _______________________________________________> > tigers at autox.team.net> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twojohnsons at cox.net> > _______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/strombecker at telus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at cthompson.net Wed Feb 12 17:53:28 2020 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:53:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?I_am_selling_this_Sunbeam_Tiger=C2=A0=C2=A0_T?= =?utf-8?q?he_Book_Of_Norman?= In-Reply-To: <32292072.1591580.1581551107135@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5D1DD617-5018-44BA-8E68-A2A86CDC1DE3@cox.net> <32292072.1591580.1581551107135@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bought my car in Hayward, CA, and stopped by Rick's while I was on the left coast.? He strong-armed me into buying a copy.? I thought it was awfully expensive. On 2/12/2020 6:45 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > I think they were actually $66 or $69. Still have my receipt > somewhere. I remember the CAT club was putting pressure on members to > buy them because Norm had fronted all the money for printing and they > just weren't moving as expected.? He was stuck with a printing bill > and a bunch of unsold? books. ? > > In a message dated 2/12/2020 6:17:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 12:50:18 2020 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:50:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: <542768188.10881290.1579819720951@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Has anyone ever replaced their two-piece rear axles with one-piece axles? The guy at the axle shop I am working with says he thinks he can get one-piece axles made to replace what I have. I was just wondering if anybody has ever gone down this route. Thanks, Joe Brown On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:20 PM Joe Brown wrote: > I took it to a shop today that works on transmissions and axles and they > are going to take a look at it. The owner said he has worked on Tigers > before and thought they were great. A younger guy in the shop said "a what". > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 4:49 PM clyde mclaughlin via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> HiJoe, If its only .007 out of true, remove the studs and have a >> machinist turn the face of the hub down until it is true, even .010 >> machined off will not effect the performance of the hub, Clyde >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-request >> To: tigers >> Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2020 2:02 pm >> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 >> >> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> tigers-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> tigers-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Bent Hub? (Joe Brown) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:07:04 -0600 >> From: Joe Brown >> To: Tigers Den >> Subject: [Tigers] Bent Hub? >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi, >> >> As I slowly work through the world's slowest restoration I'm finally to >> the >> point where I can almost drive my Tiger. I have it on jack stands and >> I've >> been fixing various little leaks here and there and the other day I fired >> it up and put it gear to make sure I had the clutch set up right. With >> the >> rear wheels spinning I happened to look at the passenger side and saw a >> noticeable wobble. Many, many years ago when I bought the car from the >> original owner it had been in a rear end collision and I'm guessing that's >> when the passenger side of the axle got messed up. >> >> The brake drum was very hard to get off and the lugs don't look very good. >> I put a dial gauge on the hub and it seems like it is bent in by one of >> the >> lugs about .007". I'm taking the axle back out of the car and taking it >> to >> a axle shop to get their opinion. If I need a new hub I'm wondering if >> anybody knows where I get a new or good used hub. I see that SS has axles >> but not hubs. >> >> Anybody know where I can get one if I need it? 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URL: From modtiger at comcast.net Thu Feb 13 18:53:09 2020 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:53:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: <542768188.10881290.1579819720951@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <280ffa2d-c6d0-dfdb-4c49-f868e8954d75@comcast.net> On 2/13/2020 11:50 AM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote: > Has anyone ever replaced their two-piece rear axles with one-piece > axles?? The guy at the axle shop I am working with says he thinks he > can get one-piece axles made to replace what I have.? I was just > wondering if anybody has ever gone down this route. > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > Dear Joe, The problem with your potential solution is that the Tiger (Salisbury-Dana 44) uses tapered axle bearings and these bearing are supposed to be "set up" with shims which control the "end clearance" from axle to axle.? One piece axles normally use ball bearings which do not need "shimming" because the ball style bearings don't need or use shims.? Since the bearing assembly would have to be put on the axle from the center, a method of retaining the bearing on the inside would be required.? A retainer groove would certainly reduce axle strength in a critical area, so a press-on retainer would be the other obvious way to hold the axle from sliding out under side loads.? Sounds like a lot of set up time and very unsafe to me.? You can always switch to a different axle/housing system such as a narrowed 9" Ford.? Others have done that, but your looking at a lot more work than replacing hubs and axles. I'd recommend you stick with the OEM system. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC 5712 San Luis Court Pleasanton, CA 94566 modtiger at comcast.net (925)462-3876 www.tigerengineering.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 18:01:57 2020 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 09:01:57 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] I am selling this Sunbeam Tiger The Book Of Norman In-Reply-To: References: <5D1DD617-5018-44BA-8E68-A2A86CDC1DE3@cox.net> <32292072.1591580.1581551107135@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To all: re the BIN value... Yes been a long running trend of them being expensive... That said .. Like the cars heat has come off. One sold for just on usd700 on ebay a couple of days ago... Still big money but not "as crazy".. On Thu., 13 Feb. 2020, 08:55 Chris Thompson via Tigers, < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > I bought my car in Hayward, CA, and stopped by Rick's while I was on the > left coast. He strong-armed me into buying a copy. I thought it was > awfully expensive. > On 2/12/2020 6:45 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I think they were actually $66 or $69. Still have my receipt somewhere. I > remember the CAT club was putting pressure on members to buy them because > Norm had fronted all the money for printing and they just weren't moving as > expected. He was stuck with a printing bill and a bunch of unsold books. > ? > > In a message dated 2/12/2020 6:17:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rollright at aol.com Thu Feb 20 16:05:09 2020 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] my refinished wheels and new Vredesteins References: <1649037232.4379057.1582239909383.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1649037232.4379057.1582239909383@mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Well, my 1979 MINILITE wheels have been refinished by RimPro in Tewksbury, MA. They use an instrument to 'read' the paint when they arrive, then they strip off all the old paint,? if they're dinged they fix that (mine were fine) spray them with matching paint and mount the new customer-supplied tires. I bought the Vredesteins from Tire Rack. Rims and new tires picked up at local garage in my town, transport included in price.Tire Rack $660 total, Rim refinish x 4 $ 780 total, mount tires ,weights balance,dispose old tires $ 164So, all told? $ 1,604. The old Pirellis on close inspection had no noticeable tread wear but significant cracking on the sidewalls. GULP !I called SCP in England, the people that make MINILITES today, and ordered the correct fresh centre caps; 6 caps, separate stick-on logos (free) shipping to a friend Oxford 47.88 pounds on VISA. Friend shipped them to me and they arrived today.. Wheels in garage, waiting for spring. Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at atmospherebuilders.com Thu Feb 27 15:26:56 2020 From: rick at atmospherebuilders.com (rick at atmospherebuilders.com) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 17:26:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Message-ID: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution...not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 27 16:09:43 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 23:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> Message-ID: <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers wrote: When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bucktrippel at verizon.net Thu Feb 27 16:34:30 2020 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 15:34:30 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009001d5edc6$7630b9f0$62922dd0$@verizon.net> Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.) Buck From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers > wrote: When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick _______________________________________________ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8109 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robertdhogan at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 16:42:30 2020 From: robertdhogan at gmail.com (Rob Hogan) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 18:42:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <009001d5edc6$7630b9f0$62922dd0$@verizon.net> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> <009001d5edc6$7630b9f0$62922dd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: What should the oil depth be in the stock 260 oil pan after adding 5 quarts and runup to fill the filter; in other words, the normal static after a run oil depth? On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:34 PM Buck Trippel via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s > hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks > to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.) > > > > Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *D or G at > sbc via Tigers > *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.com > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine > > > > The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a > 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early > 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. > > > > The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long > handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is > easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) > > > > The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the > Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions > available made for early Mustangs etc. > > > > David Franchi > > > > > > On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > > When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they > happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had > obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit > correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some > other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the > point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has > ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8109 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Feb 27 17:38:46 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:38:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> <009001d5edc6$7630b9f0$62922dd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001c01d5edcf$723a6360$56af2a20$@bluefrog.com> Rob It depends on the size oil filter you are using and the angle of your engine. I ran through this experiment a few years ago. My 260 Tiger engine is tilted down at the front, which puts more oil to exactly where the dipstick is located. Your oil level will probably be above the FULL mark. My 1988 Mustang ? the engine tilts down at the rear about 4 degrees The Tiger engine tilts down to the front at about 3 degrees Normal advise is to fill the sump ? run the engine ? mark your new FULL mark on the dipstick. Your only other option is to try to make the engine tilt down to the rear. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Rob Hogan via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:43 PM To: Buck Trippel Cc: Tiger's List Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine What should the oil depth be in the stock 260 oil pan after adding 5 quarts and runup to fill the filter; in other words, the normal static after a run oil depth? On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:34 PM Buck Trippel via Tigers > wrote: Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.) Buck From: Tigers > On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net ; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers > wrote: When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick _______________________________________________ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robertdhogan at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8109 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Feb 27 17:43:50 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:43:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201d5edd0$2a2fbdd0$7e8f3970$@bluefrog.com> Here is a older email from David Note: I found an old email from David Franchi that may help. The original dip stick & tube measurements are: Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip. -- Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing" With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") David Franchi Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers > wrote: When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Feb 27 17:50:39 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:50:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> Message-ID: <003101d5edd1$1abeb030$503c1090$@bluefrog.com> Here is some additional info Tube ? C2OZ-6754-A is listed by Ford at 15.83? long, for 260 and 289 engines with generator I measured my tube at very near this length with about 14 ?? above the timing cover to its end. Dipstick - C30Z-6750-B This is the Ford part number listed for 1964, 260 and 289 engines with generators. 22.48" shield to FULL 23.32" shield to ADD 24.44" shield to end This is extremely close to the measurements I took on my dipstick. Additionally: Width = .295? Thickness = .060? Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Richard Hyatt via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:27 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution .not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Feb 27 17:57:33 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:57:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <003101d5edd1$1abeb030$503c1090$@bluefrog.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <003101d5edd1$1abeb030$503c1090$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <004101d5edd2$116849a0$3438dce0$@bluefrog.com> Darn I forgot to include Most of the Mustang and Falcon catalogs should carry these parts. I believe Scott Drake is making them. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:51 PM To: rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Here is some additional info Tube ? C2OZ-6754-A is listed by Ford at 15.83? long, for 260 and 289 engines with generator I measured my tube at very near this length with about 14 ?? above the timing cover to its end. Dipstick - C30Z-6750-B This is the Ford part number listed for 1964, 260 and 289 engines with generators. 22.48" shield to FULL 23.32" shield to ADD 24.44" shield to end This is extremely close to the measurements I took on my dipstick. Additionally: Width = .295? Thickness = .060? Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Richard Hyatt via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:27 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution .not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 27 18:22:42 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <004101d5edd2$116849a0$3438dce0$@bluefrog.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <003101d5edd1$1abeb030$503c1090$@bluefrog.com> <004101d5edd2$116849a0$3438dce0$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <547010228.1192075.1582852962360@mail.yahoo.com> Scott Drake has them but you can't purchase them directly from him, you have to go through one of his dealers (they are all over the US). I find it strange that Rootes shows the Ford part number for the dip stick tube which has to be bent to work in a Tiger, but they don't show a Ford number for the long finger pull dip stick which is a regular Ford stick with the end bent to about 85 degrees, way easier to do than the tube. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 4:58:02 PM PST, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: Darn I forgot to include Most of the Mustang and Falcon catalogs should carry these parts. I believe Scott Drake is making them. ? Ron Fraser ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:51 PM To: rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine ? Here is some additional info ? Tube ? C2OZ-6754-A is listed by Ford at 15.83? long, for 260 and 289 engines with generator I measured my tube at very near this length with about 14 ?? above the timing cover to its end. ? Dipstick - C30Z-6750-B This is the Ford part number listed for 1964, 260 and 289 engines with generators. 22.48" shield to FULL 23.32" shield to ADD 24.44" shield to end This is extremely close to the measurements I took on my dipstick. Additionally:???? Width = .295???? Thickness = .060? ? Ron Fraser ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of Richard Hyatt via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:27 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine ? When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Feb 27 18:23:06 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 17:23:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <002201d5edd0$2a2fbdd0$7e8f3970$@bluefrog.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> <002201d5edd0$2a2fbdd0$7e8f3970$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: Is just the little hood available anywhere?? I have two MK1s that both were missing the hood when I got them. Gary On 2/27/2020 4:43 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: > > Here is a older email from David > > Note: > > I found an old email from David Franchi that may help. > > The original dip stick & tube measurements are: > > Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" > cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" > from tip. > > -- > > Tube - 15 15/16" overall. > > 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating ring" (were it goes into the > timing gear cover) to the top of the tube > > 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing" > > With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 > 1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick > to the bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") David Franchi > > Ron Fraser > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *D or G > at sbc via Tigers > *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:10 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.com > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine > > The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally > from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until > around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. > > The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long > handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this > is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) > > The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit > the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions > available made for early Mustangs etc. > > David Franchi > > On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via > Tigers > wrote: > > When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they > happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had > obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit > correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned > some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered > to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if > anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. > Thanks. > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at atmospherebuilders.com Thu Feb 27 18:52:41 2020 From: rick at atmospherebuilders.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:52:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> Message-ID: <7E47B1BE-BE7D-480C-80D4-549E4B614222@atmospherebuilders.com> Thanks to all this is very helpful, this will solve the problem and my anxiety:-). Rick Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Richard Hyatt via Tigers wrote: > > ? > When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. > Rick > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rick at atmospherebuilders.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 27 18:54:20 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <1378467394.1153687.1582844983214@mail.yahoo.com> <002201d5edd0$2a2fbdd0$7e8f3970$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <1120284955.1194713.1582854860218@mail.yahoo.com> Now that Buck Trippel supplied the Rootes drawing for altering the dip stick, I see what the reason might be for the missing "little hood" dust cover. Could it be Rootes removed it to re-curve the dip stick pull? So now they were loose? It is very hard to get this dust cover off, I find it hard to believe they just fell off. Gary, are you dip sticks the short finger pull type? As far as I know the dust cover isn't available. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 5:23:23 PM PST, Gary via Tigers wrote: Is just the little hood available anywhere?? I have two MK1s that both were missing the hood when I got them. Gary On 2/27/2020 4:43 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: Here is a older email from David Note: I found an old email from David Franchi that may help. ? The original dip stick & tube measurements are: ? Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip. -- Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube ? 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing" ? With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") David Franchi ? Ron Fraser ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine ? The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. ? The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) ? The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. ? David Franchi ? ? On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers wrote: ? ? When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Feb 27 19:31:44 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 18:31:44 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <1120284955.1194713.1582854860218@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1120284955.1194713.1582854860218@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5810805C-A4BE-43E5-96BD-DB7BE0086EA8@comcast.net> David, YES, they are as per the factory doc. I?ve had MK1 number 622 since 1971 and 585 since 1995. Both same stick, no hood, I thought they left them off but Paul Reisentz insisted they all had them originally. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2020, at 5:54 PM, D or G at sbc wrote: > > ? > Now that Buck Trippel supplied the Rootes drawing for altering the dip stick, I see what the reason might be for the missing "little hood" dust cover. Could it be Rootes removed it to re-curve the dip stick pull? So now they were loose? It is very hard to get this dust cover off, I find it hard to believe they just fell off. > > Gary, are you dip sticks the short finger pull type? > > As far as I know the dust cover isn't available. > > David Franchi > > > On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 5:23:23 PM PST, Gary via Tigers wrote: > > > Is just the little hood available anywhere? I have two MK1s that both were missing the hood when I > got them. > Gary > > On 2/27/2020 4:43 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: > > Here is a older email from David > > Note: > > I found an old email from David Franchi that may help. > > > > The original dip stick & tube measurements are: > > > > Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip. > > -- > > Tube - 15 15/16" overall. > > 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube > > > > 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing" > > > > With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") David Franchi > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:10 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine > > > > The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. > > > > The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) > > > > The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. > > > > David Franchi > > > > > > On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers wrote: > > > > > > When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 27 22:33:11 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <5810805C-A4BE-43E5-96BD-DB7BE0086EA8@comcast.net> References: <1120284955.1194713.1582854860218@mail.yahoo.com> <5810805C-A4BE-43E5-96BD-DB7BE0086EA8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <73354850.1246353.1582867992011@mail.yahoo.com> Gary, I don't think Rootes left them off, but removing the dust cover would make them loose, they couldn't get them back on as tight as they were originally, so eventually they worked there way off from use. David On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 6:31:50 PM PST, Gary wrote: David,YES, they are as per the factory doc.I?ve had MK1 number 622 since 1971 and585 since 1995. ??Both same stick, no hood, I thought theyleft them off but Paul Reisentz insistedthey all had them originally.Gary Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2020, at 5:54 PM, D or G at sbc wrote: ? Now that Buck Trippel supplied the Rootes drawing for altering the dip stick, I see what the reason might be for the missing "little hood" dust cover. Could it be Rootes removed it to re-curve the dip stick pull? So now they were loose? It is very hard to get this dust cover off, I find it hard to believe they just fell off. Gary, are you dip sticks the short finger pull type? As far as I know the dust cover isn't available. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 5:23:23 PM PST, Gary via Tigers wrote: Is just the little hood available anywhere?? I have two MK1s that both were missing the hood when I got them. Gary On 2/27/2020 4:43 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: Here is a older email from David Note: I found an old email from David Franchi that may help. ? The original dip stick & tube measurements are: ? Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip. -- Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube ? 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing" ? With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") David Franchi ? Ron Fraser ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine ? The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. ? The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) ? The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. ? David Franchi ? ? On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers wrote: ? ? When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. 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URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Feb 28 06:33:51 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:33:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: dipstick tube 260CID engine References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <003101d5edd1$1abeb030$503c1090$@bluefrog.com> <004101d5edd2$116849a0$3438dce0$@bluefrog.com> <547010228.1192075.1582852962360@mail.yahoo.com> <00dc01d5eddf$f48c1a10$dda44e30$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000901d5ee3b$bcee6980$36cb3c80$@bluefrog.com> I did not see this email come through so I?m resending plus adding some thoughts. 1224808 is a Rootes part number and now Buck has provided the proof that Rootes modified this part, Rootes removed the Ford part number from the Parts list. I do have a note in my Parts List 6601131 that 1224808 is C4JZ-6750-A 6100734 indicates a Ford part number ? to me this indicates Ford made a design change to the dipstick and Rootes stopped modifying the part. Ron Fraser From: Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 10:01 PM To: 'Buck Trippel' ; 'D or G at sbc' ; 'rick at atmospherebuilders.com' Cc: 'tigers at autox.team.net' Subject: RE: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Buck I have 1 catalog that shows a C3OZ-6750-B dipstick which has almost exact measure as C2OZ-6750-B. I?m not sure why there is a suffix letter change from C2OZ-6750-A ? the measurements look the same. There is no illustration of these parts to indicate differences. C2OZ-6750-B before 8/20/64 C3OZ-6750-B after 8/20/64 Ron Fraser From: Buck Trippel > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:37 PM To: 'D or G at sbc' >; 'Ron Fraser' >; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine There are two part numbers in the Parts Manual for dipsticks. I found a drawing of the earlier version (1224808) but was unsuccessful on the latter (6100734). The drawing I found referenced Ford part number C20E-6750-A, but I doubt they differed very much. Buck From: Tigers > On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:23 PM To: 'Ron Fraser' >; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Scott Drake has them but you can't purchase them directly from him, you have to go through one of his dealers (they are all over the US). I find it strange that Rootes shows the Ford part number for the dip stick tube which has to be bent to work in a Tiger, but they don't show a Ford number for the long finger pull dip stick which is a regular Ford stick with the end bent to about 85 degrees, way easier to do than the tube. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 4:58:02 PM PST, Ron Fraser via Tigers < > wrote: Darn I forgot to include Most of the Mustang and Falcon catalogs should carry these parts. I believe Scott Drake is making them. Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:51 PM To: rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Here is some additional info Tube ? C2OZ-6754-A is listed by Ford at 15.83? long, for 260 and 289 engines with generator I measured my tube at very near this length with about 14 ?? above the timing cover to its end. Dipstick - C30Z-6750-B This is the Ford part number listed for 1964, 260 and 289 engines with generators. 22.48" shield to FULL 23.32" shield to ADD 24.44" shield to end This is extremely close to the measurements I took on my dipstick. Additionally: Width = .295? Thickness = .060? Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Richard Hyatt via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:27 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.eakin at comcast.net Fri Feb 28 10:58:10 2020 From: jeff.eakin at comcast.net (Jeff Eakin) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 10:58:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Dip stick covet/hood thing Message-ID: <4BD04AA5-6392-4C0B-9DFB-924B10EF1204@comcast.net> Somewhere along the line my little dip stick ?cover/hood? thing went MIA as well. Any info on where to obtain another or more likely the whole dip stick would be appreciated. Jeff Eakin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 28 11:15:36 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Dip stick covet/hood thing In-Reply-To: <4BD04AA5-6392-4C0B-9DFB-924B10EF1204@comcast.net> References: <4BD04AA5-6392-4C0B-9DFB-924B10EF1204@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1413362886.1443339.1582913736491@mail.yahoo.com> Here you go... https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=181561294884 If you have the short finger pull you would have to cut this shorter and re-curve it, or remove the dust cover and put it on yours. The dust cover isn't available. David Franchi On Friday, February 28, 2020, 9:58:25 AM PST, Jeff Eakin via Tigers wrote: Somewhere along the line my little dip stick ?cover/hood? thing went MIA as well. Any info on where to obtain another or more likely the whole dip stick would be appreciated. Jeff Eakin _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net From rollright at aol.com Fri Feb 28 13:55:28 2020 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 20:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1291197322.1470810.1582923328375@mail.yahoo.com> Hello I went through the dip-stick thing some years back as my bell had somehow come adrift. It is my memory that the originals from Ford had a tiny piece of felt in the bell that the stick would rest on, on the top of the tube.When I found a replacement bell, I had it discreetly welded in place. Not going to loose it again ! Jim Armstrong382002083 Mk1A In a message dated 2/28/2020 2:00:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Dip stick covet/hood thing (Jeff Eakin)? 2. Re: Dip stick covet/hood thing (D or G at sbc) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 10:58:10 -0700From: Jeff Eakin To: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] Dip stick covet/hood thingMessage-ID: <4BD04AA5-6392-4C0B-9DFB-924B10EF1204 at comcast.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Somewhere along the line my little dip stick ?cover/hood? thing went MIA as well. Any info on where to obtain another or more likely the whole dip stick would be appreciated.Jeff Eakin-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:15:36 +0000 (UTC)From: D or G at sbc To: tigers at autox.team.net, Jeff Eakin Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dip stick covet/hood thingMessage-ID: <1413362886.1443339.1582913736491 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Here you go... https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=181561294884 If you have the short finger pull you would have to cut this shorter and re-curve it, or remove the dust cover and put it on yours. The dust cover isn't available. David Franchi On Friday, February 28, 2020, 9:58:25 AM PST, Jeff Eakin via Tigers wrote: Somewhere along the line my little dip stick ?cover/hood? thing went MIA as well. Any info on where to obtain another or more likely the whole dip stick would be appreciated.Jeff Eakin_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________Tigers mailing listTigers at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive ------------------------------ End of Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 31************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rollright at aol.com Fri Feb 28 13:55:28 2020 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 20:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1291197322.1470810.1582923328375@mail.yahoo.com> Hello I went through the dip-stick thing some years back as my bell had somehow come adrift. It is my memory that the originals from Ford had a tiny piece of felt in the bell that the stick would rest on, on the top of the tube.When I found a replacement bell, I had it discreetly welded in place. Not going to loose it again ! Jim Armstrong382002083 Mk1A In a message dated 2/28/2020 2:00:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Dip stick covet/hood thing (Jeff Eakin)? 2. Re: Dip stick covet/hood thing (D or G at sbc) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 10:58:10 -0700From: Jeff Eakin To: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] Dip stick covet/hood thingMessage-ID: <4BD04AA5-6392-4C0B-9DFB-924B10EF1204 at comcast.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Somewhere along the line my little dip stick ?cover/hood? thing went MIA as well. Any info on where to obtain another or more likely the whole dip stick would be appreciated.Jeff Eakin-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:15:36 +0000 (UTC)From: D or G at sbc To: tigers at autox.team.net, Jeff Eakin Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dip stick covet/hood thingMessage-ID: <1413362886.1443339.1582913736491 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Here you go... https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=181561294884 If you have the short finger pull you would have to cut this shorter and re-curve it, or remove the dust cover and put it on yours. The dust cover isn't available. David Franchi On Friday, February 28, 2020, 9:58:25 AM PST, Jeff Eakin via Tigers wrote: Somewhere along the line my little dip stick ?cover/hood? thing went MIA as well. Any info on where to obtain another or more likely the whole dip stick would be appreciated.Jeff Eakin_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________Tigers mailing listTigers at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive ------------------------------ End of Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 31************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rootes1 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 28 21:35:17 2020 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (rootes1) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 20:35:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <009001d5edc6$7630b9f0$62922dd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Can't wait for you guys to get into key, back axle and gearbox numbers!.... Shouldn't be long now. -------- Original message --------From: Buck Trippel via Tigers Date: 2/27/20 3:34 PM (GMT-08:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.)?Buck?????From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via TigersSent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PMTo: tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.comSubject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine?The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. ?The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem)?The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc.?David Franchi??On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers wrote: ??When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks.Rick_______________________________________________Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at munroe.ca Sat Feb 29 05:48:15 2020 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 08:48:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Feb 29 06:10:10 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 08:10:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901d5ef01$93f488e0$bbdd9aa0$@bluefrog.com> Dave TBON states black for all models ? dipstick and tube or chrome for LAT dress up kit; dipstick handle only. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Dave Munroe via Tigers Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 7:48 AM To: rootes1 ; Buck Trippel ; rootes1 via Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Ok now that we have the heavy lifting done on Dip Stick specs, let's get serious: what is the correct color to paint these babies?? Dave Munroe B382000450 LRXFE Sent from my BlackBerry ? the most secure mobile device ? via the Bell Network From: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: February 29, 2020 12:35 AM To: bucktrippel at verizon.net ; tigers at autox.team.net Reply to: rootes1 at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Can't wait for you guys to get into key, back axle and gearbox numbers!.... Shouldn't be long now. -------- Original message -------- From: Buck Trippel via Tigers > Date: 2/27/20 3:34 PM (GMT-08:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.) Buck From: Tigers >On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net ; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers > wrote: When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. Rick _______________________________________________ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjtwgoodman at aol.com Sat Feb 29 17:58:30 2020 From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 00:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 33 References: <409113009.3996734.1583024310010.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <409113009.3996734.1583024310010@mail.yahoo.com> Did I miss something?? The stock ones I have seen the bell shaped cap was held on by a weak smashing of the stick to expand it's O.D. and retain the cap. It seems some would be pressed better than others and the gradual wearing down and cap loss. On Saturday, February 29, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: dipstick tube 260CID engine (rootes1) ? 2. Re: dipstick tube 260CID engine (Dave Munroe) ? 3. Re: dipstick tube 260CID engine (Ron Fraser) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 20:35:17 -0800 From: rootes1 To: Buck Trippel , tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Can't wait for you guys to get into key, back axle and gearbox numbers!.... Shouldn't be long now. -------- Original message --------From: Buck Trippel via Tigers Date: 2/27/20? 3:34 PM? (GMT-08:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.)?Buck?????From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via TigersSent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PMTo: tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.comSubject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine?The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. ?The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, thi s is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem)?The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc.?David Franchi??On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers wrote: ??When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks.Rick_______________________________________________Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers ? http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 08:48:15 -0400 From: Dave Munroe To: rootes1 , Buck Trippel ??? , rootes1 via Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 08:10:10 -0500 From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" Cc: Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Message-ID: <000901d5ef01$93f488e0$bbdd9aa0$@bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dave ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? TBON states black for all models ? dipstick and tube or chrome for LAT dress up kit; dipstick handle only. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Dave Munroe via Tigers Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 7:48 AM To: rootes1 ; Buck Trippel ; rootes1 via Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Ok now that we have the heavy lifting done on Dip Stick? specs, let's get serious:? what is the correct color to paint these babies?? Dave Munroe B382000450 LRXFE Sent from my BlackBerry ? the most secure mobile device ? via the Bell Network From: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: February 29, 2020 12:35 AM To: bucktrippel at verizon.net ; tigers at autox.team.net Reply to: rootes1 at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Can't wait for you guys to get into key, back axle and gearbox numbers!.... Shouldn't be long now. -------- Original message -------- From: Buck Trippel via Tigers > Date: 2/27/20 3:34 PM (GMT-08:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.) Buck From: Tigers >On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net ; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers > wrote: When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. 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URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 29 18:17:29 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 01:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <409113009.3996734.1583024310010@mail.yahoo.com> References: <409113009.3996734.1583024310010.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <409113009.3996734.1583024310010@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <415208893.1743768.1583025449141@mail.yahoo.com> The long finger pull, earlier cars, don't seem to have a problem. David Franchi On Saturday, February 29, 2020, 4:58:42 PM PST, Warren Goodman via Tigers wrote: Did I miss something?? The stock ones I have seen the bell shaped cap was held on by a weak smashing of the stick to expand it's O.D. and retain the cap. It seems some would be pressed better than others and the gradual wearing down and cap loss. 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Re: dipstick tube 260CID engine (Ron Fraser) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 20:35:17 -0800 From: rootes1 To: Buck Trippel , tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Can't wait for you guys to get into key, back axle and gearbox numbers!.... Shouldn't be long now. -------- Original message --------From: Buck Trippel via Tigers Date: 2/27/20? 3:34 PM? (GMT-08:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.)?Buck?????From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via TigersSent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PMTo: tigers at autox.team.net; rick at atmospherebuilders.comSubject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine?The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. ?The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, thi s is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem)?The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc.?David Franchi??On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers wrote: ??When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks.Rick_______________________________________________Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers ? http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 08:48:15 -0400 From: Dave Munroe To: rootes1 , Buck Trippel ??? , rootes1 via Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 08:10:10 -0500 From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" Cc: Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Message-ID: <000901d5ef01$93f488e0$bbdd9aa0$@bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dave ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? TBON states black for all models ? dipstick and tube or chrome for LAT dress up kit; dipstick handle only. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Dave Munroe via Tigers Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 7:48 AM To: rootes1 ; Buck Trippel ; rootes1 via Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Ok now that we have the heavy lifting done on Dip Stick? specs, let's get serious:? what is the correct color to paint these babies?? Dave Munroe B382000450 LRXFE Sent from my BlackBerry ? the most secure mobile device ? via the Bell Network From: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: February 29, 2020 12:35 AM To: bucktrippel at verizon.net ; tigers at autox.team.net Reply to: rootes1 at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Can't wait for you guys to get into key, back axle and gearbox numbers!.... Shouldn't be long now. -------- Original message -------- From: Buck Trippel via Tigers > Date: 2/27/20 3:34 PM (GMT-08:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Rootes cut the top of the dipstick 2-1/8? from the top of the dipstick?s hat, rounded the end and bent it into a curve with a 7/16? radius. (Thanks to the Rootes Archive in the UK for preserving this information for us.) Buck From: Tigers >On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 3:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net ; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine The long handle Tiger dip stick is a standard Ford part (originally from a 1962 Fairlane, it was used on early small block Fords until around early 1965) with the handle bent to clear the Tiger hood. The short handle (finger pull) Tiger dip stick is the same as the long handle, except Rootes cut off the handle and had it made shorter, this is easy to do with a jig (I have done it without any problem) The tube is a Ford part C2OZ-6754-A, it has to be bent slightly to fit the Tiger. Neither are available from Ford, but they are reproductions available made for early Mustangs etc. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 2:27:08 PM PST, Richard Hyatt via Tigers > wrote: When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. 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URL: From bucktrippel at verizon.net Thu Feb 27 19:37:00 2020 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 18:37:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <547010228.1192075.1582852962360@mail.yahoo.com> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <003101d5edd1$1abeb030$503c1090$@bluefrog.com> <004101d5edd2$116849a0$3438dce0$@bluefrog.com> <547010228.1192075.1582852962360@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00dc01d5eddf$f48c1a10$dda44e30$@verizon.net> There are two part numbers in the Parts Manual for dipsticks. I found a drawing of the earlier version (1224808) but was unsuccessful on the latter (6100734). The drawing I found referenced Ford part number C20E-6750-A, but I doubt they differed very much. Buck From: Tigers On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:23 PM To: 'Ron Fraser' ; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Scott Drake has them but you can't purchase them directly from him, you have to go through one of his dealers (they are all over the US). I find it strange that Rootes shows the Ford part number for the dip stick tube which has to be bent to work in a Tiger, but they don't show a Ford number for the long finger pull dip stick which is a regular Ford stick with the end bent to about 85 degrees, way easier to do than the tube. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 4:58:02 PM PST, Ron Fraser via Tigers < > wrote: Darn I forgot to include Most of the Mustang and Falcon catalogs should carry these parts. I believe Scott Drake is making them. Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:51 PM To: rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Here is some additional info Tube ? C2OZ-6754-A is listed by Ford at 15.83? long, for 260 and 289 engines with generator I measured my tube at very near this length with about 14 ?? above the timing cover to its end. Dipstick - C30Z-6750-B This is the Ford part number listed for 1964, 260 and 289 engines with generators. 22.48" shield to FULL 23.32" shield to ADD 24.44" shield to end This is extremely close to the measurements I took on my dipstick. Additionally: Width = .295? Thickness = .060? Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Richard Hyatt via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:27 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. 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URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Feb 27 20:00:45 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:00:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine In-Reply-To: <00dc01d5eddf$f48c1a10$dda44e30$@verizon.net> References: <01ce01d5edbd$0547c890$0fd759b0$@atmospherebuilders.com> <003101d5edd1$1abeb030$503c1090$@bluefrog.com> <004101d5edd2$116849a0$3438dce0$@bluefrog.com> <547010228.1192075.1582852962360@mail.yahoo.com> <00dc01d5eddf$f48c1a10$dda44e30$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <005901d5ede3$477337b0$d659a710$@bluefrog.com> Buck I have 1 catalog that shows a C3OZ-6750-B dipstick which has almost exact measure as C2OZ-6750-B. I?m not sure why there is a suffix letter change from C2OZ-6750-A ? the measurements look the same. There is no illustration of these parts to indicate differences. C2OZ-6750-B before 8/20/64 C3OZ-6750-B after 8/20/64 Ron Fraser From: Buck Trippel Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:37 PM To: 'D or G at sbc' ; 'Ron Fraser' ; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine There are two part numbers in the Parts Manual for dipsticks. I found a drawing of the earlier version (1224808) but was unsuccessful on the latter (6100734). The drawing I found referenced Ford part number C20E-6750-A, but I doubt they differed very much. Buck From: Tigers > On Behalf Of D or G at sbc via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:23 PM To: 'Ron Fraser' >; rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Scott Drake has them but you can't purchase them directly from him, you have to go through one of his dealers (they are all over the US). I find it strange that Rootes shows the Ford part number for the dip stick tube which has to be bent to work in a Tiger, but they don't show a Ford number for the long finger pull dip stick which is a regular Ford stick with the end bent to about 85 degrees, way easier to do than the tube. David Franchi On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 4:58:02 PM PST, Ron Fraser via Tigers < > wrote: Darn I forgot to include Most of the Mustang and Falcon catalogs should carry these parts. I believe Scott Drake is making them. Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:51 PM To: rick at atmospherebuilders.com Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine Here is some additional info Tube ? C2OZ-6754-A is listed by Ford at 15.83? long, for 260 and 289 engines with generator I measured my tube at very near this length with about 14 ?? above the timing cover to its end. Dipstick - C30Z-6750-B This is the Ford part number listed for 1964, 260 and 289 engines with generators. 22.48" shield to FULL 23.32" shield to ADD 24.44" shield to end This is extremely close to the measurements I took on my dipstick. Additionally: Width = .295? Thickness = .060? Ron Fraser From: Tigers > On Behalf Of Richard Hyatt via Tigers Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:27 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] dipstick tube 260CID engine When I got my engine back from a high performance machine shop, they happily pointed out the new chrome dipstick and dipstick tube they had obtained and installed in the process. Unfortunately this will not fit correctly as you can imagine. Mysteriously although they had returned some other parts, the dipstick was missing and the old tube battered to the point of no use. I am hoping to find a solution??.not sure if anyone has ever made a pattern of the original tube or has any ideas. Thanks. 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