From flynnr2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 17:47:58 2020 From: flynnr2 at gmail.com (R Flynn) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:47:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft Message-ID: In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over. - tried jiggling the rotor - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations My next attempts will involve - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom. Cheers in advance, Rick -- rick B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Aug 12 19:39:35 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sometimes they are just difficult... IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.? We jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side which made it more vertical... Good luck, Gary On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: > In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold > on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down > over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over. > - tried jiggling the rotor > - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle > pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both > - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft > itself in different orientations > > My next attempts will involve > - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet > - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior > to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered > > Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom. > > Cheers in advance, > > Rick > > -- > rick > B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flynnr2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 06:45:29 2020 From: flynnr2 at gmail.com (R Flynn) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:45:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A bit more diagnostic information - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to seat) - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly. On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes they are just difficult... > > > IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We > > jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side > > > which made it more vertical... > > > Good luck, > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via > > Tigers wrote: > > > > > > > > > In trying to replace the distributor after > > changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am > > struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, > > which seems to be leaning over. > > > - tried jiggling the rotor > > > - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while > > applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing > > both > > > - tried using a long socket & extension to put > > the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations > > > > > > > > My next attempts will involve > > > - having someone else push down while I turn the > > crap with a ratchet > > > - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with > > a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil > > pump shaft more centered > > > > > > > > Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words > > of wisdom. > > > > > > > > Cheers in advance, > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > -- > > > rick > > > B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com > > > > > > -- rick B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Aug 13 08:17:49 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:17:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the starter and re-gasket it. I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag though. I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..? put a drill on it an see if you can spin it to get oil pressure.? Drill needs to be on reverse.? You'll get more resistance at speed. Gary On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: > A bit more diagnostic information > - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not > feel the retaining clip that should be present > - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top > - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like > the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to > get it to seat) > - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is > zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? > > I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil > pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining > clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. > > Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can > do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) > and do things properly. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes they are just difficult... > > > IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.? We > > jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side > > > which made it more vertical... > > > Good luck, > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via > > Tigers wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> In trying to replace the distributor after >> >> changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am >> >> struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, >> >> which seems to be leaning over. >> >> >> - tried jiggling the rotor >> >> >> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while >> >> applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing >> >> both >> >> >> - tried using a long socket & extension to put >> >> the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My next attempts will involve >> >> >> - having someone else push down while I turn the >> >> crap with a ratchet >> >> >> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with >> >> a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil >> >> pump shaft more centered >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words >> >> of wisdom. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers in advance, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> rick >> >> >> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > rick > B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sabre2tgr at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 08:39:51 2020 From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> References: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> Message-ID: Make sure you DO NOT use a magnetic socket to turn the shaft. If it's not unseated already, that could pull it out. Stu On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:18 AM Gary wrote: > Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. > You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out > the starter and re-gasket it. > I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. > It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag > though. > I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a drill > on it an see if you can spin it > to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll get more > resistance at speed. > Gary > > > > On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: > > A bit more diagnostic information > - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel > the retaining clip that should be present > - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top > - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the > last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to > seat) > - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero > resistance, not sure if that is normal? > > I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at > the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it > leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. > > Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do > without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do > things properly. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sometimes they are just difficult... >> >> >> IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We >> >> jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side >> >> >> which made it more vertical... >> >> >> Good luck, >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via >> >> Tigers wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In trying to replace the distributor after >> >> changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am >> >> struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, >> >> which seems to be leaning over. >> >> >> - tried jiggling the rotor >> >> >> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while >> >> applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing >> >> both >> >> >> - tried using a long socket & extension to put >> >> the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My next attempts will involve >> >> >> - having someone else push down while I turn the >> >> crap with a ratchet >> >> >> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with >> >> a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil >> >> pump shaft more centered >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words >> >> of wisdom. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers in advance, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> rick >> >> >> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > rick > B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp > > _______________________________________________ > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft (Gary) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:47:58 -0400 From: R Flynn To: "" Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over. - tried jiggling the rotor - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations My next attempts will involve - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom. 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Good luck, Gary On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: > In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold > on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down > over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over. > - tried jiggling the rotor > - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle > pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both > - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft > itself in different orientations > > My next attempts will involve > - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet > - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior > to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered > > Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom. > > Cheers in advance, > > Rick > > -- > rick > B9471206: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigersunited.com%2Fcar_show%2Fflynn_r%2Fdefault.asp&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=gVMuoxAk3ICVpkW3b4ranwYx%2Bt3E%2BoAlaJGK%2BLZFNe0%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=FHfJLLqqFFMpCAyrZe5iuUu1ehLA0%2F1gm9Hzb1nRE7Y%3D&reserved=0 > Archive: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ftigers&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=0ALPAELe%2B4BgxP8eDlI7wSORLR2zA2MxBI6OTT37NsY%3D&reserved=0 https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=8n%2BriwYlidam76HjUTMySxQ5df9PqcRX81ZtAN9Ygvw%3D&reserved=0 > > Unsubscribe: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ftigers%2Fgarywinblad%40comcast.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=NijwA%2Fui4ymgVZdFylFQuaTttF0QuDeQapi7xnyJa0s%3D&reserved=0 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:45:29 -0400 From: R Flynn Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" A bit more diagnostic information - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to seat) - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly. On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes they are just difficult... > > > IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We > > jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side > > > which made it more vertical... > > > Good luck, > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via > > Tigers wrote: > > > > > > > > > In trying to replace the distributor after > > changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am > > struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, > > which seems to be leaning over. > > > - tried jiggling the rotor > > > - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while > > applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing > > both > > > - tried using a long socket & extension to put > > the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations > > > > > > > > My next attempts will involve > > > - having someone else push down while I turn the > > crap with a ratchet > > > - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with > > a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil > > pump shaft more centered > > > > > > > > Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words > > of wisdom. > > > > > > > > Cheers in advance, > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > -- > > > rick > > > B9471206: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigersunited.com%2Fcar_show%2Fflynn_r%2Fdefault.asp&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=gVMuoxAk3ICVpkW3b4ranwYx%2Bt3E%2BoAlaJGK%2BLZFNe0%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=FHfJLLqqFFMpCAyrZe5iuUu1ehLA0%2F1gm9Hzb1nRE7Y%3D&reserved=0 > > Archive: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ftigers&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=0ALPAELe%2B4BgxP8eDlI7wSORLR2zA2MxBI6OTT37NsY%3D&reserved=0 https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=8n%2BriwYlidam76HjUTMySxQ5df9PqcRX81ZtAN9Ygvw%3D&reserved=0 > > > > Unsubscribe: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ftigers%2Fgarywinblad%40comcast.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=NijwA%2Fui4ymgVZdFylFQuaTttF0QuDeQapi7xnyJa0s%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=FHfJLLqqFFMpCAyrZe5iuUu1ehLA0%2F1gm9Hzb1nRE7Y%3D&reserved=0 > > Archive: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ftigers&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=0ALPAELe%2B4BgxP8eDlI7wSORLR2zA2MxBI6OTT37NsY%3D&reserved=0 > https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=8n%2BriwYlidam76HjUTMySxQ5df9PqcRX81ZtAN9Ygvw%3D&reserved=0 > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ftigers%2Fflynnr2%40gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=axYdspORuMy19GG%2F9wycOWa6L0Njc6UwG7c8rziNnV8%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > -- rick B9471206: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigersunited.com%2Fcar_show%2Fflynn_r%2Fdefault.asp&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068688621&sdata=gVMuoxAk3ICVpkW3b4ranwYx%2Bt3E%2BoAlaJGK%2BLZFNe0%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:17:49 -0700 From: Gary To: rflynn at alum.rpi.edu Cc: R Flynn , tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft Message-ID: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the starter and re-gasket it. I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag though. I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..? put a drill on it an see if you can spin it to get oil pressure.? Drill needs to be on reverse.? You'll get more resistance at speed. Gary On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: > A bit more diagnostic information > - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not > feel the retaining clip that should be present > - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top > - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like > the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to > get it to seat) > - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is > zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? > > I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil > pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining > clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. > > Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can > do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) > and do things properly. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes they are just difficult... > > > IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.? We > > jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side > > > which made it more vertical... > > > Good luck, > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via > > Tigers wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> In trying to replace the distributor after >> >> changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am >> >> struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, >> >> which seems to be leaning over. >> >> >> - tried jiggling the rotor >> >> >> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while >> >> applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing >> >> both >> >> >> - tried using a long socket & extension to put >> >> the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My next attempts will involve >> >> >> - having someone else push down while I turn the >> >> crap with a ratchet >> >> >> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with >> >> a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil >> >> pump shaft more centered >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words >> >> of wisdom. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers in advance, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> rick >> >> >> B9471206: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigersunited.com%2Fcar_show%2Fflynn_r%2Fdefault.asp&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068698615&sdata=uD7QJCHZ%2FOTcpVR52sMIP5IyM7vOA65CcTk8%2BljzZaI%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> Donate:https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792521d64f8047ed82b308d83f93f9e1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637329252068698615&sdata=zPHj7YBRNiZbD0ZA0w2MK2JxFjJnu%2B55OllGQ0DmZOI%3D&reserved=0 >> >> 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URL: From dave at munroe.ca Thu Aug 13 08:51:54 2020 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:51:54 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> References: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> Message-ID: Rick, a frustrating problem. (Been there and done that.) I think you are getting pretty good advice on getting your dizzy installed. Regarding your oil pan: I recently took the pan off my 289 block to replace the pan seals with the engine in the car. Not too many problems getting it off, (didn't have to remove the starter). Getting the thing back on the car with the pan seals in place was a challenge. Getting the block half of the rear seal was tricky, as well as keeping the halves in place on the pan while maneuvering it around all the obstructions while laying on my back with everything almost at nose height. I had the car on jacks that just barely gave me room to get it done. A lift would have made it much easier. I finally put a small dollop of silicone on the seals and let it dry, to hold them in place. It worked quite well then. Also, follow the torque settings recommended for the pan bolts. Apparently there is a tendency to tighten them too much, which distorts the pan flange and leads to leaks. Mine had been over tightened by the previous "mechanic" that had tightened them. Dave On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:18 AM Gary wrote: > Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. > You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out > the starter and re-gasket it. > I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. > It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag > though. > I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a drill > on it an see if you can spin it > to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll get more > resistance at speed. > Gary > > > > On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: > > A bit more diagnostic information > - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel > the retaining clip that should be present > - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top > - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the > last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to > seat) > - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero > resistance, not sure if that is normal? > > I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at > the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it > leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. > > Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do > without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do > things properly. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sometimes they are just difficult... >> >> >> IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We >> >> jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side >> >> >> which made it more vertical... >> >> >> Good luck, >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via >> >> Tigers wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In trying to replace the distributor after >> >> changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am >> >> struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, >> >> which seems to be leaning over. >> >> >> - tried jiggling the rotor >> >> >> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while >> >> applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing >> >> both >> >> >> - tried using a long socket & extension to put >> >> the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My next attempts will involve >> >> >> - having someone else push down while I turn the >> >> crap with a ratchet >> >> >> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with >> >> a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil >> >> pump shaft more centered >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words >> >> of wisdom. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers in advance, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> rick >> >> >> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > rick > B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp > > _______________________________________________ > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Aug 13 10:00:59 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 09:00:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: References: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4357bc5c-cf1d-769b-52ae-f2954dab8d06@verizon.net> I use pieces of thread threw the pan/gasket holes to hold the pan gasket in place. I just cut and pull them out as I install the bolts. On 8/13/2020 7:51 AM, Dave Munroe via Tigers wrote: > Rick, a frustrating problem. (Been there and done that.) > I think you are getting pretty good advice on getting your dizzy > installed. > > Regarding your oil pan: > I recently took the pan off my 289 block to replace the pan seals > with?the engine in the car. Not too many problems getting it off, > (didn't have to?remove the starter). > Getting the thing back on the car with the pan seals in place was a > challenge. Getting the block half of the rear seal was tricky, as well > as keeping the halves in place?on the pan while maneuvering it around > all the obstructions while laying?on my back with everything almost at > nose height. I had the car on jacks that just barely gave me room to > get it done. A lift would have made it much easier. I finally put a > small dollop?of silicone on the seals and let it dry, to hold them in > place. It worked quite well then. > Also, follow the torque settings recommended for the pan bolts. > Apparently there is a tendency to tighten them too much, which > distorts the pan flange and leads?to leaks. Mine had been over > tightened by the previous "mechanic" that had tightened them. > > Dave > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:18 AM Gary > wrote: > > Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. > You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to > take out the starter and re-gasket it. > I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. > It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be > some drag though. > I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a > drill on it an see if you can spin it > to get oil pressure.? Drill needs to be on reverse.? You'll get > more resistance at speed. > Gary > > > > On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: >> A bit more diagnostic information >> - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do >> not feel the retaining clip that should be present >> - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top >> - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem >> like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the >> distributor just to get it to seat) >> - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there >> is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? >> >> I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the >> oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any >> retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. >> >> Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe >> I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input >> on that) and do things properly. >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary > > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sometimes they are just difficult... >> >> >> IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one >> side.? We >> >> jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side >> >> >> which made it more vertical... >> >> >> Good luck, >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via >> >> Tigers wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In trying to replace the distributor after >>> >>> changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am >>> >>> struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, >>> >>> which seems to be leaning over. >>> >>> >>> - tried jiggling the rotor >>> >>> >>> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while >>> >>> applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing >>> >>> both >>> >>> >>> - tried using a long socket & extension to put >>> >>> the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> My next attempts will involve >>> >>> >>> - having someone else push down while I turn the >>> >>> crap with a ratchet >>> >>> >>> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with >>> >>> a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil >>> >>> pump shaft more centered >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words >>> >>> of wisdom. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers in advance, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> rick >>> >>> >>> B9471206: >>> http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> rick >> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at munroe.ca Thu Aug 13 10:32:03 2020 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:32:03 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: <4357bc5c-cf1d-769b-52ae-f2954dab8d06@verizon.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Aug 13 11:55:47 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:55:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002601d6719a$fdf9ff10$f9edfd30$@bluefrog.com> Rick Installing the distributor is either quick and smooth or a total PITA. The last time I installed my distributor it was a complete and total pain. I walked away, calmed myself, cooled off and drank some water. When I returned, much later, the distributor nearly dropped in, took less than 5 minutes. Anytime you are installing a distributor you should check all the fitment issues. Check that the oil pump drive shaft fits the distributor; I had one that did not fit the distributor correctly ? I had to polish the drive shaft some so it would fit the distributor. Right now you have questions and doubts about the system so you have to go to basics ? disassemble and find the clip wherever it is located. I don?t know the procedure Ford and the Cleveland Foundry used to install the distributor, drive shaft and oil pump but at this point use any process that gets all the parts on the engine installed correctly. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of R Flynn via Tigers Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:45 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Cc: R Flynn ; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft A bit more diagnostic information - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to seat) - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly. On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary > wrote: Sometimes they are just difficult... IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side which made it more vertical... Good luck, Gary On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over. - tried jiggling the rotor - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations My next attempts will involve - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom. Cheers in advance, Rick -- rick B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com -- rick B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maliburevue at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 12:12:04 2020 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: <002601d6719a$fdf9ff10$f9edfd30$@bluefrog.com> References: <002601d6719a$fdf9ff10$f9edfd30$@bluefrog.com> Message-ID: <1174920665.1592854.1597342324155@mail.yahoo.com> I like to put some grease in the drive hole of distributor shaft and around the boss on the housing, in case I have to remove it a couple of times to get the timing just right, since the shaft spins when engaging the cam gear. My 2 cents, Gary On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 11:56:11 AM MDT, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: Rick ??????????????? Installing the distributor is either quick and smooth or a total PITA. ? The last time I installed my distributor it was a complete and total pain. I walked away, calmed myself, cooled off and drank some water. When I returned, much later, the distributor nearly dropped in, took less than 5 minutes. ? Anytime you are installing a distributor you should check all the fitment issues. ? Check that the oil pump drive shaft fits the distributor; I had one that did not fit the distributor correctly ? I had to polish the drive shaft some so it would fit the distributor. ? Right now you have questions and doubts about the system so you have to go to basics ?? disassemble and find the clip wherever it is located. ? I don?t know the procedure Ford and the Cleveland Foundry used to install the distributor, drive shaft and oil pump but at this point use any process that gets all the parts on the engine installed correctly. ? ? Ron Fraser ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of R Flynn via Tigers Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:45 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Cc: R Flynn ; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft ? A bit more diagnostic information - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to seat) - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? ? I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. ? Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly. ? On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary wrote: Sometimes they are just difficult... IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.? We jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side which made it more vertical... Good luck, Gary On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: ? In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over. ? - tried jiggling the rotor ? - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both ? - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations ? ? My next attempts will involve ? - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet ? - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered ? ? Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom. ? ? Cheers in advance, ? ? 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URL: From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 13 14:43:50 2020 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:43:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> References: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007301d671b2$774dc0b0$65e94210$@mayfco.com> Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off of the extension and falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. Or if you use a priming tool, yeah even better, wont it fall down the hole? Again, good advice! mayf From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: 13 August 2020 07:18 To: rflynn at alum.rpi.edu Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the starter and re-gasket it. I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag though. I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a drill on it an see if you can spin it to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll get more resistance at speed. Gary On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: A bit more diagnostic information - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to seat) - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly. On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary > wrote: Sometimes they are just difficult... IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side which made it more vertical... Good luck, Gary On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over. - tried jiggling the rotor - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations My next attempts will involve - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom. Cheers in advance, Rick -- rick B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com -- rick B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Fri Aug 14 07:41:15 2020 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] OIL PUMP/DIST DRIVE References: <1781944314.1489583.1597412475659.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1781944314.1489583.1597412475659@mail.yahoo.com> I know it doesn't help at this point, but should you rebuild the engine or have to remove the shaft from the engine due to a missing or broken retaining clip: I replace the stock shaft with the larger diameter chrome moly shaft avail from the aftermarket, the larger diameter fits the hole in the block tighter so the shaft doesn't have all that wiggle room making installation a pain sometimes. I have also seen in an engine I took apart once that the smaller oem shaft was epoxy glued into the distributor, it went in and out easily, I probably wouldn't do it but....Another quick note on the oil pan replacement: if you use the felpro blue rubber gasket it is one piece and comes with 4 alignment pins which makes the install quite nice especially if you are doing it alone, its more expensive than the cheaper cork/paper with rubber end pieces, but is worth the money -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 08:47:29 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: References: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net> Message-ID: <543019648.1091404.1597330049304@mail.yahoo.com> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1yo0K4xIHA&feature=emb_logo This might help. If it does fall into the pan, happened to me 20 years ago, I just left it there and bought another shaft. David Franchi On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 7:40:48 AM PDT, Stu via Tigers wrote: Make sure you DO NOT use a magnetic socket to turn the shaft.? If it's not unseated already, that could pull it out. Stu On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:18 AM Gary wrote: >?? >??Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. > You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the starter and re-gasket it. > I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. > It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag though. > I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..? put a drill on it an see if you can spin it > to get oil pressure.? Drill needs to be on reverse.? You'll get more resistance at speed. > Gary > > > > > On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: > > >>?? >>?? >> A bit more diagnostic information >> >> >> - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present >> >> - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top >> >> - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to seat) >> >> - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? >> >> >> >> >> I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. >> >> >> >> >> Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly. >> >> >> >>?? >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sometimes they are just difficult... >>> >>> >>> IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.? We >>> >>> jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side >>> >>> >>> which made it more vertical... >>> >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via >>> >>> Tigers wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In trying to replace the distributor after >>>> >>>> changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am >>>> >>>> struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, >>>> >>>> which seems to be leaning over. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - tried jiggling the rotor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while >>>> >>>> applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing >>>> >>>> both >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - tried using a long socket & extension to put >>>> >>>> the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My next attempts will involve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - having someone else push down while I turn the >>>> >>>> crap with a ratchet >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with >>>> >>>> a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil >>>> >>>> pump shaft more centered >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words >>>> >>>> of wisdom. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers in advance, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> rick >>>> >>>> >>>> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>?? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>?? >>>>??_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> tigers at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> rick >> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp >> >> >>??_______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Aug 13 22:20:13 2020 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 04:20:13 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft In-Reply-To: <007301d671b2$774dc0b0$65e94210$@mayfco.com> References: <7c9a127b-fb91-8201-50b2-c6e05845bdff@comcast.net>, <007301d671b2$774dc0b0$65e94210$@mayfco.com> Message-ID: The missing retaining clip, and the drive shaft leaning to the side, presents a challenge, but under normal circumstances, what I use for adjusting the oil pump drive shaft position is an old distributor with the cam gear removed from the distributor shaft. Nothing to fall off the end, relatively cheap from a wrecking yard, and I can align the pump drive shaft so the distributor rotor points to #1 cylinder. Steve ________________________________ From: Tigers on behalf of Larry Mayfield via Tigers Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:43 PM To: 'Gary' ; rflynn at alum.rpi.edu Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off of the extension and falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. Or if you use a priming tool, yeah even better, wont it fall down the hole? Again, good advice! mayf From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: 13 August 2020 07:18 To: rflynn at alum.rpi.edu Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the starter and re-gasket it. I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag though. I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a drill on it an see if you can spin it to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll get more resistance at speed. Gary On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: A bit more diagnostic information - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to seat) - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal? I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly. On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary > wrote: Sometimes they are just difficult... IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side which made it more vertical... Good luck, Gary On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over. - tried jiggling the rotor - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations My next attempts will involve - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom. Cheers in advance, Rick -- rick B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com -- rick B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barletta Award On 8/16/2020 6:22 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers wrote: > Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to > the tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going?? slow. > ?? Beau > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 19:37:36 2020 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:37:36 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are several ways to introduce power steering to the Tiger, In the UK and Australia people use the vaxhual/holden/opel astra electric setup mounted to a donor alpine top section of the steering column, very neat mounts under the dash and keeps all the stock components from the firewall forward.. There are also several people who have used hydraulic setups from mazda MX5 (miata) and also some subarus... these though require a change in rack On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 11:23, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to the > tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going slow. > Beau > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bucktrippel at verizon.net Sun Aug 16 19:56:25 2020 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:56:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <033a01d67439$9dee0cf0$d9ca26d0$@verizon.net> I had a Vaxhual electric setup from the UK installed in one of out Tigers. It was great around town or on a curvey road. (you can dial in the amount of ?boost? you want. Michael is very correct in that the installation was very neat, even in the LHD version I had. (about the only mod needed was to trim one of the metal defroster ducts under the driver?s side of the dash.) However I did not like the power steering unit on the open road. I never was able to get it to track as well as the stock setup on the highway. I added all the caster I could (even wedged the cross member) but I was never happy with it. It was just too twitchy on straight roads and I do a lot of long distance highway driving in our Tigers. After an 8-hour drive I just found myself working too much. I couldn?t relax. I pulled it out & went back to the stock setup. The EPS unit is now resting quietly on some shelf in the garage. On the other hand, if I were driving daily on twisty mountain roads I?d go back to it in a second. Buck Trippel From: Tigers On Behalf Of michael king via Tigers Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:38 PM To: Lance Beauchamp Cc: Tiger Club. Submission Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering There are several ways to introduce power steering to the Tiger, In the UK and Australia people use the vaxhual/holden/opel astra electric setup mounted to a donor alpine top section of the steering column, very neat mounts under the dash and keeps all the stock components from the firewall forward.. There are also several people who have used hydraulic setups from mazda MX5 (miata) and also some subarus... these though require a change in rack On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 11:23, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers > wrote: Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to the tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going slow. Beau _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com -- Regards Michael King -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From srwick at hotmail.com Sun Aug 16 23:09:38 2020 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 05:09:38 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Road and Track story Message-ID: My posts seem to take a couple of days to show up in my inbox again, so this may be old news by the time it hits, but just saw this tonight. Steve https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a33616179/the-sunbeam-tiger-was-and-is-the-next-best-thing/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunbeams at sc.rr.com Mon Aug 17 06:15:57 2020 From: sunbeams at sc.rr.com (Eric Gibeaut) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:15:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering for Tiger and Alpine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501d67490$29ee6410$7dcb2c30$@rr.com> My friend Dan Richardson from South Carolina has developed an electric power steering set up for both the Alpine and the Tiger More info at this website http://danr.mhartman.net/electrical-power-steering Dan's email is tiger2dan at gmail.com 1. Power steering (Lance Beauchamp) 2. Re: Power steering (Tom Witt) 3. Re: Power steering (michael king) 4. Re: Power steering (Buck Trippel) 5. Road and Track story (steve wick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:22:25 -0400 From: Lance Beauchamp To: "Tiger Club. Submission" Subject: [Tigers] Power steering Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to the tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going slow. Beau -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:34:16 -0700 From: Tom Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering Message-ID: <850725a0-700a-8a13-60d0-f0c6a79c6c84 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" John Barletta has an electric power steering column in his Tiger. I can't remember if it is from a Saturn or?? Honda. Here is an interview video of him receiving an award. He might mention it in the video??? Barletta Award On 8/16/2020 6:22 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers wrote: > Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to > the tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going?? slow. > ?? Beau > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:37:36 +1000 From: michael king To: Lance Beauchamp Cc: "Tiger Club. Submission" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There are several ways to introduce power steering to the Tiger, In the UK and Australia people use the vaxhual/holden/opel astra electric setup mounted to a donor alpine top section of the steering column, very neat mounts under the dash and keeps all the stock components from the firewall forward.. There are also several people who have used hydraulic setups from mazda MX5 (miata) and also some subarus... these though require a change in rack From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 10:27:12 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:27:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Road and Track story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Makes you wonder why people are willing to sell their Tigers so cheaply...? On 8/16/2020 10:09 PM, steve wick via Tigers wrote: > My posts seem to take a couple of days to show up in my inbox again, > so this may be old news by the time it hits, but just saw this tonight. > > Steve > > https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a33616179/the-sunbeam-tiger-was-and-is-the-next-best-thing/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Aug 17 13:27:44 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:27:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Road and Track story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09adb2af-43be-3e4b-1a7a-3cb90da5b94d@verizon.net> Not every buyer is a boozed up high-roller at Barrett Jackson. Either a seller is desperate and willing to take what they can get, otherwise it is a buyers market.??? When one rules out the specialty Tigers and the runaway spenders you get more realistic prices.??? As the Great and Boomer generation dies off these cars will likely be sold at considerably reduced price so their grand kids can pay top dollar for collector priced 1st generation I-Phones and X-boxes etc..* * *1965*Sunbeam Tiger*MK1 Valuation* * Perfect Condition. $80,000 - $187,000. * Excellent Condition. $63,000 - $80,000. * Good Condition. $44,000 - $63,000. * Fair Condition. $12,256 - $44,000. * Median Sale Value. $63,000. * Lowest Sale Value. $12,256. * Highest Sale Value. $187,000. On 8/17/2020 9:27 AM, Gary wrote: > Makes you wonder why people are willing to sell their Tigers so > cheaply...? > > > On 8/16/2020 10:09 PM, steve wick via Tigers wrote: >> My posts seem to take a couple of days to show up in my inbox again, >> so this may be old news by the time it hits, but just saw this tonight. >> >> Steve >> >> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a33616179/the-sunbeam-tiger-was-and-is-the-next-best-thing/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing to fall off the end, > relatively cheap from a wrecking yard, and I can align the pump drive shaft > so the distributor rotor points to #1 cylinder. > > Steve > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tigers on behalf of Larry > Mayfield via Tigers > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:43 PM > *To:* 'Gary' ; rflynn at alum.rpi.edu < > rflynn at alum.rpi.edu> > *Cc:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft > > > Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off of the extension > and falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. Or if you use > a priming tool, yeah even better, wont it fall down the hole? > > > > Again, good advice! > > > > mayf > > > > *From:* Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Gary > *Sent:* 13 August 2020 07:18 > *To:* rflynn at alum.rpi.edu > *Cc:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft > > > > Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan. > You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out > the starter and re-gasket it. > I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first. > It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag > though. > I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a drill > on it an see if you can spin it > to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll get more > resistance at speed. > Gary > > > On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote: > > A bit more diagnostic information > > - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel > the retaining clip that should be present > > - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top > > - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the > last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to > seat) > > - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero > resistance, not sure if that is normal? > > > > I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at > the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it > leans over against the wall of the hole it is in. > > > > Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do > without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do > things properly. > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes they are just difficult... > > > IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We > > jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side > > > which made it more vertical... > > > Good luck, > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via > > Tigers wrote: > > > > > > > In trying to replace the distributor after > > changing my intake manifold on the ?65 289 in my Tiger, I am > > struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, > > which seems to be leaning over. > > > > - tried jiggling the rotor > > > > - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while > > applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing > > both > > > > - tried using a long socket & extension to put > > the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations > > > > > > > > My next attempts will involve > > > > - having someone else push down while I turn the > > crap with a ratchet > > > > - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with > > a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil > > pump shaft more centered > > > > > > > > Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words > > of wisdom. > > > > > > > > Cheers in advance, > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > -- > > rick > > > B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/flynnr2 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > > rick > B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwood24020 at aol.com Sun Aug 16 19:59:03 2020 From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 01:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: <033a01d67439$9dee0cf0$d9ca26d0$@verizon.net> References: <033a01d67439$9dee0cf0$d9ca26d0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1585884218.2172067.1597629543610@mail.yahoo.com> Buck, you might agree, better to address the issues which lead to a need for power steering rather than throw boost at it... ;) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Buck Trippel via Tigers To: 'michael king' ; 'Lance Beauchamp' Cc: 'Tigers Den' Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2020 6:57 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering #yiv9199101606 #yiv9199101606 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv9199101606 #yiv9199101606 p.yiv9199101606MsoNormal, #yiv9199101606 li.yiv9199101606MsoNormal, #yiv9199101606 div.yiv9199101606MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv9199101606 a:link, #yiv9199101606 span.yiv9199101606MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv9199101606 .yiv9199101606MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv9199101606 div.yiv9199101606WordSection1 {} #yiv9199101606 I had a Vaxhual electric setup from the UK installed in one of out Tigers. It was great around town or on a curvey road. (you can dial in the amount of ?boost? you want. ? Michael is very correct in that the installation was very neat, even in the LHD version I had. (about the only mod needed was to trim one of the metal defroster ducts under the driver?s side of the dash.) ? However I did not like the power steering unit on the open road. I never was able to get it to track as well as the stock setup on the highway. I added all the caster I could (even wedged the cross member) but I was never happy with it. It was just too twitchy on straight roads and I do a lot of long distance highway driving in our Tigers. After an 8-hour drive I just found myself working too much. I couldn?t relax. I pulled it out & went back to the stock setup. The EPS unit is now resting quietly on some shelf in the garage. On the other hand, if I were driving daily on twisty mountain roads I?d go back to it in a second. ? Buck Trippel ? ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of michael king via Tigers Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:38 PM To: Lance Beauchamp Cc: Tiger Club. Submission Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering ? There are several ways to introduce power steering to the Tiger, ? In the UK and Australia people use the vaxhual/holden/opel astra electric setup mounted to a donor?alpine top section of the steering?column, very neat mounts under the dash and keeps all the stock components from the firewall forward.. ? There are also several people who have used hydraulic?setups from mazda MX5 (miata) and also some subarus... these though require a change in rack ? ? ? On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 11:23, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers wrote: Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to the tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going? slow.? ? 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URL: From bucktrippel at verizon.net Sun Aug 16 20:12:48 2020 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:12:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: <1585884218.2172067.1597629543610@mail.yahoo.com> References: <033a01d67439$9dee0cf0$d9ca26d0$@verizon.net> <1585884218.2172067.1597629543610@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03fa01d6743b$e802fa10$b808ee30$@verizon.net> In my case I thought I?d be nice to my wife and we put the power steering in her Tiger. It was and interesting experiment but we?ve moved on. Mike, you?re right about the ways that steering can be screwed up. Nearly twenty years ago I had the SCF race Tiger a foot off the ground on a lift. John Morton walked over and ?felt? the steering. Everything in the suspension was new and I thought I had it about as perfect as possible. John burst my balloon when he said. ?It?s pretty stiff. I don?t know if I could feel the tire patch.? After he left we got to work. I felt the steering and John was right. There was some friction there. So I started to pull the just rebuilt rack. I had started to loosen one side and decided I wanted to ?calibrate? my ?feel? before going too far. I wiggled the steering wheel and it was totally free -perfect! So I tightened the rack back down and the stiffness returned. I quickly realized that the rack mounts we not quite in the same plain. Dan Walters came up with the fix. We took a long but fine flat hand file and used one mount as the guide while we filed on the opposite side. We had it dead flat in ten minutes. Tightened the rack back and all was good. Buck From: Michael Wood Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:59 PM To: bucktrippel at verizon.net; michael.s.king at gmail.com; blance598 at gmail.com Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering Buck, you might agree, better to address the issues which lead to a need for power steering rather than throw boost at it... ;) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Buck Trippel via Tigers > To: 'michael king' >; 'Lance Beauchamp' > Cc: 'Tigers Den' > Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2020 6:57 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering I had a Vaxhual electric setup from the UK installed in one of out Tigers. It was great around town or on a curvey road. (you can dial in the amount of ?boost? you want. Michael is very correct in that the installation was very neat, even in the LHD version I had. (about the only mod needed was to trim one of the metal defroster ducts under the driver?s side of the dash.) However I did not like the power steering unit on the open road. I never was able to get it to track as well as the stock setup on the highway. I added all the caster I could (even wedged the cross member) but I was never happy with it. It was just too twitchy on straight roads and I do a lot of long distance highway driving in our Tigers. After an 8-hour drive I just found myself working too much. I couldn?t relax. I pulled it out & went back to the stock setup. The EPS unit is now resting quietly on some shelf in the garage. On the other hand, if I were driving daily on twisty mountain roads I?d go back to it in a second. Buck Trippel From: Tigers > On Behalf Of michael king via Tigers Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:38 PM To: Lance Beauchamp > Cc: Tiger Club. Submission > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering There are several ways to introduce power steering to the Tiger, In the UK and Australia people use the vaxhual/holden/opel astra electric setup mounted to a donor alpine top section of the steering column, very neat mounts under the dash and keeps all the stock components from the firewall forward.. There are also several people who have used hydraulic setups from mazda MX5 (miata) and also some subarus... these though require a change in rack On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 11:23, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers > wrote: Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to the tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going slow. Beau _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lpaulick1 at verizon.net Mon Aug 17 06:23:27 2020 From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry E. Paulick) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:23:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: <033a01d67439$9dee0cf0$d9ca26d0$@verizon.net> References: <033a01d67439$9dee0cf0$d9ca26d0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <32178152-C48D-4BFF-9BD9-9B306E83A3F0@verizon.net> I have never seen any photos, actual cost and part # or year/make/etc of elec power steering, only comments. Better yet a comprehensive article, such as those contained in Tigers United, would be great. Does anyone have these they can post? Thanks Larry > On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers wrote: > > I had a Vaxhual electric setup from the UK installed in one of out Tigers. It was great around town or on a curvey road. (you can dial in the amount of ?boost? you want. > > Michael is very correct in that the installation was very neat, even in the LHD version I had. (about the only mod needed was to trim one of the metal defroster ducts under the driver?s side of the dash.) > > However I did not like the power steering unit on the open road. I never was able to get it to track as well as the stock setup on the highway. I added all the caster I could (even wedged the cross member) but I was never happy with it. It was just too twitchy on straight roads and I do a lot of long distance highway driving in our Tigers. After an 8-hour drive I just found myself working too much. I couldn?t relax. I pulled it out & went back to the stock setup. The EPS unit is now resting quietly on some shelf in the garage. On the other hand, if I were driving daily on twisty mountain roads I?d go back to it in a second. > > Buck Trippel > > > From: Tigers On Behalf Of michael king via Tigers > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:38 PM > To: Lance Beauchamp > Cc: Tiger Club. Submission > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering > > There are several ways to introduce power steering to the Tiger, > > In the UK and Australia people use the vaxhual/holden/opel astra electric setup mounted to a donor alpine top section of the steering column, very neat mounts under the dash and keeps all the stock components from the firewall forward.. > > There are also several people who have used hydraulic setups from mazda MX5 (miata) and also some subarus... these though require a change in rack > > > > On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 11:23, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers > wrote: >> Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to the tiger. 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URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Aug 19 14:05:39 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:05:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SS Exhaust System - Review Requested In-Reply-To: <1636814399.3743239.1597865767726@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1636814399.3743239.1597865767726@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <381532B9-FF66-44D9-877C-E43B01889A7C@comcast.net> I doubt the material makes a difference, probably design, thickness, etc. And I think a brand new system sounds different than an old carbon coated one. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak via Tigers wrote: > > ? > Can I get a review on the stainless steel exhaust system from Sunbeam Specialties? I'm particularly interested in fit/ease of installation, and the exhaust note. In regards to the exhaust note, most observers comment that stainless steel has a higher note, and mild steel (original) has a lower note, but Rick disagrees with this. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwood24020 at aol.com Wed Aug 19 14:24:14 2020 From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] SS Exhaust System - Review Requested In-Reply-To: <381532B9-FF66-44D9-877C-E43B01889A7C@comcast.net> References: <1636814399.3743239.1597865767726@mail.yahoo.com> <381532B9-FF66-44D9-877C-E43B01889A7C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <159856714.3440711.1597868654022@mail.yahoo.com> In isolation, SS likely has a different resonance. But, as Gary points out, there are so many other variables which will net have a bigger affect on sound. I've heard the fit of the system is quite good, but I've never done an install myself.? Is your motor stock? If not, the 1 3/4" diameter may be a limitation. -----Original Message----- From: Gary To: Randall Antosiak Cc: Tiger List ? Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 1:06 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] SS Exhaust System - Review Requested I doubt the material makes a difference, ?probably design, thickness, etc.And I think a brand new system soundsdifferent than an old carbon coated one.Gary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak via Tigers wrote: ?Can I get a review on the stainless steel exhaust system from Sunbeam Specialties?? ?I'm particularly interested in fit/ease of installation, and the exhaust note.? In regards to the exhaust note, most observers comment that stainless steel has a higher note, and mild steel (original) has a lower note, but Rick disagrees with this.? ? 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Thanks Bob Sent from my iPhone From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Aug 19 17:43:39 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:43:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tach In-Reply-To: <164DA362-3FB2-45F0-9FFD-6E23A86DE815@gmail.com> References: <164DA362-3FB2-45F0-9FFD-6E23A86DE815@gmail.com> Message-ID: <35646E78-3E6B-4E9A-AE2C-91E5FFAC7E24@comcast.net> Absolutely. There is a black knob inside, just open it and adjust. Original circuits will read high and will be higher when they get hot... like these days. Theo Smit or Tom Hall sell a new circuit board that fixes them. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Bob Wanty via Tigers wrote: > > ?My tach has always been about 1500 rpms high, it is original not rebuilt is there a way to adjust it. > Thanks > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:04:14 2020 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:04:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tach In-Reply-To: <35646E78-3E6B-4E9A-AE2C-91E5FFAC7E24@comcast.net> References: <164DA362-3FB2-45F0-9FFD-6E23A86DE815@gmail.com> <35646E78-3E6B-4E9A-AE2C-91E5FFAC7E24@comcast.net> Message-ID: Nisonger rebuilt mine to run with electronic ignition. I ran the car on points for about 10 years before making the change. It worked fine. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:43 PM Gary wrote: > Absolutely. There is a black knob inside, > just open it and adjust. > Original circuits will read high and will be > higher when they get hot... like these days. > Theo Smit or Tom Hall sell a new circuit > board that fixes them. > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Bob Wanty via Tigers > wrote: > > > > ?My tach has always been about 1500 rpms high, it is original not > rebuilt is there a way to adjust it. > > Thanks > > Bob > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a black knob inside, >> just open it and adjust. >> Original circuits will read high and will be >> higher when they get hot... like these days. >> Theo Smit or Tom Hall sell a new circuit >> board that fixes them. >> Gary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Bob Wanty via Tigers wrote: >> > >> > ?My tach has always been about 1500 rpms high, it is original not rebuilt is there a way to adjust it. >> > Thanks >> > Bob >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers at autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fast427 at sbcglobal.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billlawrence at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 08:54:28 2020 From: billlawrence at hotmail.com (Bill Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:54:28 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] SS SS exhaust review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can I get a review on the stainless steel exhaust system from Sunbeam Specialties? I purchased mine around 10 years ago, replacing the original. I had to order the down pipes separately. The ceramic donut flange gasket between the exhaust manifold and down pipe was easily sourced at one of the local Napa parts places. Probably find it at CJ Pony. Stainless band clamps are available for diy installation. I'm particularly interested in fit/ease of installation, and the exhaust note.? I find the exhaust note quite pleasing maybe slightly 'clearer' definitely 'throaty' at idle behind my 260/ Stock 2 bbl/ K&N Air Filter / aftermarket cam (Comp Cam CL31-215-2) . Nice note at speed. I installed it myself and seemed to fit without modification...chrome tips match original angle/look etc. No sign of discoloration or corrosion even at sea level after all these years. IMO, seems like one of the better choices available. Bill Lawrence B9473246LRXFE Fort Lauderdale FLA USA End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 181 *************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobwanty at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 06:55:21 2020 From: bobwanty at gmail.com (Bob Wanty) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:55:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: <32178152-C48D-4BFF-9BD9-9B306E83A3F0@verizon.net> References: <32178152-C48D-4BFF-9BD9-9B306E83A3F0@verizon.net> Message-ID: <47FF430D-159A-48F9-988F-5766881B76E4@gmail.com> My Tiger has the Armstrong unit. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Larry E. Paulick via Tigers wrote: > > ?I have never seen any photos, actual cost and part # or year/make/etc of elec power steering, only comments. Better yet a comprehensive article, such as those contained in Tigers United, would be great. Does anyone have these they can post? > > Thanks > > Larry > >> On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers wrote: >> >> I had a Vaxhual electric setup from the UK installed in one of out Tigers. It was great around town or on a curvey road. (you can dial in the amount of ?boost? you want. >> >> Michael is very correct in that the installation was very neat, even in the LHD version I had. (about the only mod needed was to trim one of the metal defroster ducts under the driver?s side of the dash.) >> >> However I did not like the power steering unit on the open road. I never was able to get it to track as well as the stock setup on the highway. I added all the caster I could (even wedged the cross member) but I was never happy with it. It was just too twitchy on straight roads and I do a lot of long distance highway driving in our Tigers. After an 8-hour drive I just found myself working too much. I couldn?t relax. I pulled it out & went back to the stock setup. The EPS unit is now resting quietly on some shelf in the garage. On the other hand, if I were driving daily on twisty mountain roads I?d go back to it in a second. >> >> Buck Trippel >> >> >> From: Tigers On Behalf Of michael king via Tigers >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:38 PM >> To: Lance Beauchamp >> Cc: Tiger Club. Submission >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering >> >> There are several ways to introduce power steering to the Tiger, >> >> In the UK and Australia people use the vaxhual/holden/opel astra electric setup mounted to a donor alpine top section of the steering column, very neat mounts under the dash and keeps all the stock components from the firewall forward.. >> >> There are also several people who have used hydraulic setups from mazda MX5 (miata) and also some subarus... these though require a change in rack >> >> >> >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 11:23, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers wrote: >>> Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to the tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going slow. >>> Beau >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobwanty at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lpaulick1 at verizon.net Tue Aug 18 16:11:26 2020 From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry E. Paulick) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 18:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: <47FF430D-159A-48F9-988F-5766881B76E4@gmail.com> References: <32178152-C48D-4BFF-9BD9-9B306E83A3F0@verizon.net> <47FF430D-159A-48F9-988F-5766881B76E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09A8009D-4365-4384-AD3C-5EDB26C85835@verizon.net> Great, any pics, details, driving impressions, costs? > On Aug 18, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Bob Wanty wrote: > > My Tiger has the Armstrong unit. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Larry E. Paulick via Tigers wrote: >> >> ?I have never seen any photos, actual cost and part # or year/make/etc of elec power steering, only comments. Better yet a comprehensive article, such as those contained in Tigers United, would be great. Does anyone have these they can post? >> >> Thanks >> >> Larry >> >>> On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers > wrote: >>> >>> I had a Vaxhual electric setup from the UK installed in one of out Tigers. It was great around town or on a curvey road. (you can dial in the amount of ?boost? you want. >>> >>> Michael is very correct in that the installation was very neat, even in the LHD version I had. (about the only mod needed was to trim one of the metal defroster ducts under the driver?s side of the dash.) >>> >>> However I did not like the power steering unit on the open road. I never was able to get it to track as well as the stock setup on the highway. I added all the caster I could (even wedged the cross member) but I was never happy with it. It was just too twitchy on straight roads and I do a lot of long distance highway driving in our Tigers. After an 8-hour drive I just found myself working too much. I couldn?t relax. I pulled it out & went back to the stock setup. The EPS unit is now resting quietly on some shelf in the garage. On the other hand, if I were driving daily on twisty mountain roads I?d go back to it in a second. >>> >>> Buck Trippel >>> >>> >>> From: Tigers > On Behalf Of michael king via Tigers >>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:38 PM >>> To: Lance Beauchamp > >>> Cc: Tiger Club. Submission > >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Power steering >>> >>> There are several ways to introduce power steering to the Tiger, >>> >>> In the UK and Australia people use the vaxhual/holden/opel astra electric setup mounted to a donor alpine top section of the steering column, very neat mounts under the dash and keeps all the stock components from the firewall forward.. >>> >>> There are also several people who have used hydraulic setups from mazda MX5 (miata) and also some subarus... these though require a change in rack >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 11:23, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers > wrote: >>>> Really , there is NO power steering unit that could be retrofitted to the tiger. The older I get the harder it steers when going slow. >>>> Beau >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> tigers at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> Michael King >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobwanty at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paulick) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:41:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] power steering In-Reply-To: <1416059282.4234779.1598033864288@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1416059282.4234779.1598033864288.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1416059282.4234779.1598033864288@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Photos, cost? > On Aug 21, 2020, at 2:17 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers wrote: > > my car came with the SPANISH version, has never failed but has wreaked over the years!! > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rollright at aol.com Fri Aug 21 16:30:02 2020 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Dash graphics References: <1517446443.4318291.1598049002744.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1517446443.4318291.1598049002744@mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, ?I just bought a used main light switch as a backup and it came with the proper thin metal hanging sign that says? "Lights".I'd like to get the hanging sign reprinted with the words "Aux Fan"?Does anyone know of a person that would do the job correctly, (font,etc) to match the other dash graphics?I have a simple switch in place now to operate the blowing fan in front of the radiator, but with no hanging sign.?Ideas please ??Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimdamelio at verizon.net Fri Aug 21 17:13:26 2020 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:13:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Dash graphics In-Reply-To: <1517446443.4318291.1598049002744@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim,Check out this ebay auction.?283776324090.If he doesn't have what you need, he will make it.? I've purchased from him before.?Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: James Armstrong via Tigers Date: 8/21/20 6:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dash graphics Hello all, ? I just bought a used main light switch as a backup and it came with the proper thin metal hanging sign that says? "Lights". I'd like to get the hanging sign reprinted with the words "Aux Fan" ? Does anyone know of a person that would do the job correctly, (font,etc) to match the other dash graphics? I have a simple switch in place now to operate the blowing fan in front of the radiator, but with no hanging sign. ? Ideas please ? ? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Code 86 TAC #.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twotigers at verizon.net Fri Aug 21 17:57:37 2020 From: twotigers at verizon.net (twotigers at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Dash graphics In-Reply-To: <1517446443.4318291.1598049002744@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1517446443.4318291.1598049002744.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1517446443.4318291.1598049002744@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005501d67816$d9a485e0$8ced91a0$@verizon.net> Jim, Decades ago I added an electric fan and switch. I don?t think anyone was making dash tags at that time, but if they were, I didn?t know about it. My cheater fix was to take a PANEL tag, black out the E and the L, then take the black marker to the middle of the curve of the white P and turned it into a convincing enough F. Ended up with FAN? Kirk From: Tigers On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 3:30 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dash graphics Hello all, I just bought a used main light switch as a backup and it came with the proper thin metal hanging sign that says "Lights". I'd like to get the hanging sign reprinted with the words "Aux Fan" Does anyone know of a person that would do the job correctly, (font,etc) to match the other dash graphics? I have a simple switch in place now to operate the blowing fan in front of the radiator, but with no hanging sign. Ideas please ? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Code 86 TAC #.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icanhandyman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 10:38:32 2020 From: icanhandyman at yahoo.com (J Clark) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 16:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Power Steering References: <1374586864.6278004.1598200712139.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1374586864.6278004.1598200712139@mail.yahoo.com> Dan Richardson has an electric power steering setup that he has worked out and is offering for sale. His # is? (864) 554-0814I recently purchased a very pretty transmission mount from him that arrived promptly and well packaged. Jon Clark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icanhandyman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 10:56:40 2020 From: icanhandyman at yahoo.com (J Clark) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 16:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Power steering References: <1423864696.6282125.1598201800207.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1423864696.6282125.1598201800207@mail.yahoo.com> Dan Richardson's electric power steering setup is applicable to Alpines. He knows his stuff though and may be able to help just the same. Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aballard at ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 23 11:45:52 2020 From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:45:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: <1423864696.6282125.1598201800207@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1423864696.6282125.1598201800207.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1423864696.6282125.1598201800207@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Also for Tigers. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2020, at 12:56 PM, J Clark via Tigers wrote: > > Dan Richardson's electric power steering setup is applicable to Alpines. He knows his stuff though and may be able to help just the same. Jon > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard at ix.netcom.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Sun Aug 23 13:35:09 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Power steering In-Reply-To: <1423864696.6282125.1598201800207@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1423864696.6282125.1598201800207@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7244434C-0D5C-4B03-8429-C747C1C41393@comcast.net> If I recall correctly, those guys in England we?re using Alpine columns to build the electric Tiger columns. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2020, at 9:57 AM, J Clark via Tigers wrote: > > ? > Dan Richardson's electric power steering setup is applicable to Alpines. He knows his stuff though and may be able to help just the same. Jon > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coolvt at aol.com Mon Aug 24 07:42:28 2020 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack References: <512401296.4901864.1598276548595.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512401296.4901864.1598276548595@mail.yahoo.com> I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.? I need rubber boots.? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger?? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure?? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.? ?Thanks, Mark L -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tigers at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 24 08:52:24 2020 From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 10:52:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack In-Reply-To: <512401296.4901864.1598276548595@mail.yahoo.com> References: <512401296.4901864.1598276548595.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <512401296.4901864.1598276548595@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm sure Moss Motors would have the boots for a Midget steering rack. Would be refreshing to find that Moss has something that can go on a Tiger. The kits usually come with a set of clamps. I think that it's common to provide plastic cable ties for the clamps. As far as I know, they work pretty well. Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.com On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion. I need rubber boots. Does > it take the same as a standard Tiger? Also, what are good clamps that will > work to secure? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut > into the boot. Thanks, Mark L > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers at embarqmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Aug 24 15:21:08 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:21:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack In-Reply-To: <512401296.4901864.1598276548595@mail.yahoo.com> References: <512401296.4901864.1598276548595.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <512401296.4901864.1598276548595@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7a572441-0e3f-2538-27a3-0e7de4bdb73e@verizon.net> Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? > Does it take the same as a standard Tiger? Also, what are good clamps > that will work to secure? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and > tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net] On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? 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Hopefully they won't cut into the boot.? ?Mark In a message dated 8/24/2020 5:34:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:?Here are some options from McMaster Carr. ?The first one is one of those squeeze bars types. ?The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be their most narrow.?I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere.?https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/?https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: ? Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. ? On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:? I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) ? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 From: Jay To: Tom Witt Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Here are some options from McMaster Carr.? The first one is one of those squeeze bars types.? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be their most narrow. I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 From: steve wick To: "tigers at autox.team.net" , Tom Witt ??? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] Steve ________________________________ From: Tigers on behalf of Tom Witt via Tigers Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net] On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? 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URL: From coolvt at aol.com Mon Aug 24 18:46:24 2020 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack In-Reply-To: <367840823.5696671.1598309384507@mail.yahoo.com> References: <367840823.5696671.1598309384507.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <367840823.5696671.1598309384507@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503474877.5177590.1598316384296@mail.yahoo.com> I've filled a few racks? over the years,but? always with the rack off the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone have a foolproof method of doing this?? Mark L In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:? Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would look almost too nice. ?On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to??? tigers at autox.team.net?To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to??? tigers-request at autox.team.net?You can reach the person managing the list at??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net?When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."??Today's Topics:?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay)? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick)??----------------------------------------------------------------------?Message: 1Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700From: Jay To: Tom Witt Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rackMessage-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"?Here are some options from McMaster Carr.? The first one is one of those squeeze bars types.? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be their most narrow.?I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere.?https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/?https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/??On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote:?Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison.????On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:> > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L> > > _______________________________________________> > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________?tigers at autox.team.net?Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive?Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com???-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ?------------------------------?Message: 2Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000From: steve wick To: "tigers at autox.team.net" , Tom Witt??? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rackMessage-ID:??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"?What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now.?[cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb]?This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog.?[cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8]??Steve?________________________________From: Tigers on behalf of Tom Witt via Tigers Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PMTo: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack??Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison.?[cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net]??On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:?I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? 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URL: From twotigers at verizon.net Mon Aug 24 19:13:18 2020 From: twotigers at verizon.net (twotigers at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:13:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack In-Reply-To: <503474877.5177590.1598316384296@mail.yahoo.com> References: <367840823.5696671.1598309384507.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <367840823.5696671.1598309384507@mail.yahoo.com> <503474877.5177590.1598316384296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01d67a7c$eaed1e30$c0c75a90$@verizon.net> I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It?s been 20 years or so, and it?s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed where I pricked it. Kirk From: Tigers On Behalf Of coolvt--- via Tigers Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack I've filled a few racks over the years,but always with the rack off the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone have a foolproof method of doing this? Mark L In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes: Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would look almost too nice. _____ On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request > wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 From: Jay > To: Tom Witt > Cc: Tigers > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Here are some options from McMaster Carr. The first one is one of those squeeze bars types. The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be their most narrow. I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > wrote: Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 From: steve wick > To: "tigers at autox.team.net " >, Tom Witt > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] Steve ________________________________ From: Tigers > on behalf of Tom Witt via Tigers > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net ] On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? 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URL: From coolvt at aol.com Mon Aug 24 21:32:15 2020 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 03:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack In-Reply-To: <004f01d67a7c$eaed1e30$c0c75a90$@verizon.net> References: <367840823.5696671.1598309384507.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <367840823.5696671.1598309384507@mail.yahoo.com> <503474877.5177590.1598316384296@mail.yahoo.com> <004f01d67a7c$eaed1e30$c0c75a90$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1197371802.5219414.1598326335247@mail.yahoo.com> I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.? I thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, twotigers at verizon.net writes:? I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It?s been 20 years or so, and it?s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed where I pricked it.? Kirk ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of coolvt--- via Tigers Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack ? I've filled a few racks? over the years,but? always with the rack off the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone have a foolproof method of doing this?? Mark L In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes: ? Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would look almost too nice. ? On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net ? To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net ? You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net ? When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." ? ? Today's Topics: ? ? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) ? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) ? ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ? Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 From: Jay To: Tom Witt Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ? Here are some options from McMaster Carr.? The first one is one of those squeeze bars types.? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be their most narrow. ? I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. ? https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ ? https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ ? ? On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: ? Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. ? ? ? ? On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ ? tigers at autox.team.net ? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive ? Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ? ------------------------------ ? Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 From: steve wick To: "tigers at autox.team.net" , Tom Witt ??? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ? What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. ? [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] ? This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. ? [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] ? ? Steve ? ________________________________ From: Tigers on behalf of Tom Witt via Tigers Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack ? ? Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. ? [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net] ? ? On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: ? I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? tigers at autox.team.net ? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive ? 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End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 188 *************************************** _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tigers at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 25 09:39:17 2020 From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:39:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack In-Reply-To: <1197371802.5219414.1598326335247@mail.yahoo.com> References: <367840823.5696671.1598309384507.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <367840823.5696671.1598309384507@mail.yahoo.com> <503474877.5177590.1598316384296@mail.yahoo.com> <004f01d67a7c$eaed1e30$c0c75a90$@verizon.net> <1197371802.5219414.1598326335247@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Tiger rack, according to the shop manual, holds 0.6 US pints. That's 9.6 oz. Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.com On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:32 PM coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil. I > thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > twotigers at verizon.net writes: > > > I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found the > section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole through the > top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic needle, then put > a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It?s been 20 years or so, and it?s > never leaked and the rubber is still sealed where I pricked it. Kirk > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *coolvt--- > via Tigers > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Steering rack > > > > I've filled a few racks over the years,but always with the rack off the > car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone have a > foolproof method of doing this? Mark L > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > > > Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. > I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on Moss > motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would look almost > too nice. > > > ------------------------------ > > On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request wrote: > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) > > 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 > > From: Jay > > To: Tom Witt > > Cc: Tigers > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Here are some options from McMaster Carr. The first one is one of those > squeeze bars types. The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be their most > narrow. > > > > I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. > > > > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ > > > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > wrote: > > > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I > scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) > from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight > bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an > appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget > rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location > the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? > Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps > that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend > to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers < > http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers> http://autox.team.net/archive < > http://autox.team.net/archive> > > > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/137dc75c/attachment-0001.htm > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 > > From: steve wick > > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" , Tom Witt > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: > > < > BYAPR06MB4726688E29CA6213A9A1EEF1D8560 at BYAPR06MB4726.namprd06.prod.outlook.com > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply > stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. > > > > [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] > > > > This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. > > > > [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] > > > > > > Steve > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Tigers on behalf of Tom Witt via > Tigers > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > > > > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I > scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) > from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight > bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an > appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget > rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location > the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for > comparison. > > > > [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net] > > > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? > Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps > that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend > to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/b4265bb0/attachment.htm > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 1554373 bytes > > Desc: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/b4265bb0/attachment.png > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 112678 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/b4265bb0/attachment-0001.png > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 73960 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/b4265bb0/attachment-0002.png > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers mailing list > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 188 > > *************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers at embarqmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Aug 25 09:41:26 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:41:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack In-Reply-To: <1197371802.5219414.1598326335247@mail.yahoo.com> References: <367840823.5696671.1598309384507.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <367840823.5696671.1598309384507@mail.yahoo.com> <503474877.5177590.1598316384296@mail.yahoo.com> <004f01d67a7c$eaed1e30$c0c75a90$@verizon.net> <1197371802.5219414.1598326335247@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48a4338b-c9e6-f73e-36b4-483db8fb3895@verizon.net> I believe Kirk's "big hypodermic needle" was the means by which he he filled his rack and not necessarily the volume of oil -?? if that is what was meant by, "more than that." I took a tire fill valve, the metal kind that thread?? into place, removed the Schrader valve and drilling a tight fit hole at the upper/outer pleat on one side of the boot (see image). Removing the cap and attaching the oil containers tapered nozzle becomes a means to fill the rack. They mystery is what volume to replace??? The rack is not meant to be completely filled and there is no dip stick. A couple more thoughts. My Tiger has been stationary, on jackstands for 20+ years now. I'm 50 miles out of LA and the car doesn't see smog or sunlight. Regardless the condition of my circa 2000 purchased rubber parts (or parts with rubber) are absolutely dismal. I have OEM rubber parts on other cars that are 40-60 years old and still functional. Yet the deterioration of my "new" Tiger parts started in as little as 2-3 years (the lower ball joint rubber). I'm not sure if that is a general complaint or a warning to check your (relatively new) parts. Perhaps both. On 8/24/2020 8:32 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.?? I > thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > twotigers at verizon.net writes: > > I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found > the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole > through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic > needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It???s been 20 > years or so, and it???s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed > where I pricked it.?? Kirk > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of > *coolvt--- via Tigers > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Steering rack > > I've filled a few racks?? over the years,but?? always with the rack off > the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone > have a foolproof method of doing this??? Mark L > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. > I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on > Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would > look almost too nice. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request > wrote: > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > ?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) > > ?? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 > > From: Jay > > > To: Tom Witt > > > Cc: Tigers > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here are some options from McMaster Carr.?? The first one is one of > those squeeze bars types.?? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be > their most narrow. > > I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ > > On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > > wrote: > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 > > From: steve wick > > > To: "tigers at autox.team.net " > >, Tom Witt > > ?????? > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: > > ?????? > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply > stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. > > [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] > > This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. > > [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] > > Steve > > ________________________________ > > From: Tigers > on behalf of Tom Witt via > Tigers > > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net > ] > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 1554373 bytes > > Desc: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 112678 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 73960 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers mailing list > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 188 > > *************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone know the brand or it's make and model it came from? https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-sunbeam-tiger-26/ Is this the Honda Accord one ? On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Steering rack (Will Seay) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:39:17 -0400 From: Will Seay To: CoolVT Cc: twotigers at verizon.net, Tiger Server Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The Tiger rack, according to the shop manual, holds 0.6 US pints.? That's 9.6 oz. Will - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.com On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:32 PM coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.? I > thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > twotigers at verizon.net writes: > > > I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found the > section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole through the > top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic needle, then put > a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It?s been 20 years or so, and it?s > never leaked and the rubber is still sealed where I pricked it.? Kirk > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *coolvt--- > via Tigers > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Steering rack > > > > I've filled a few racks? over the years,but? always with the rack off the > car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone have a > foolproof method of doing this?? Mark L > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > > > Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. > I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on Moss > motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would look almost > too nice. > > > ------------------------------ > > On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request wrote: > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > >? ? tigers at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >? ? tigers-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > >? ? tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) > >? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 > > From: Jay > > To: Tom Witt > > Cc: Tigers > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Here are some options from McMaster Carr.? The first one is one of those > squeeze bars types.? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be their most > narrow. > > > > I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. > > > > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ > > > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > wrote: > > > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I > scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) > from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight > bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an > appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget > rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location > the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? > Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps > that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend > to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers < > http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers> http://autox.team.net/archive < > http://autox.team.net/archive> > > > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/137dc75c/attachment-0001.htm > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 > > From: steve wick > > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" , Tom Witt > >? ? > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: > >? ? < > BYAPR06MB4726688E29CA6213A9A1EEF1D8560 at BYAPR06MB4726.namprd06.prod.outlook.com > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply > stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. > > > > [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] > > > > This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. > > > > [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] > > > > > > Steve > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Tigers on behalf of Tom Witt via > Tigers > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > > > > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I > scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) > from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight > bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an > appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget > rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location > the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for > comparison. > > > > [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net] > > > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? > Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps > that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend > to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/b4265bb0/attachment.htm > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 1554373 bytes > > Desc: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/b4265bb0/attachment.png > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 112678 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/b4265bb0/attachment-0001.png > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 73960 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200824/b4265bb0/attachment-0002.png > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers mailing list > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 188 > > *************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers at embarqmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From coolvt at aol.com Tue Aug 25 10:42:33 2020 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 16:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack In-Reply-To: <48a4338b-c9e6-f73e-36b4-483db8fb3895@verizon.net> References: <367840823.5696671.1598309384507.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <367840823.5696671.1598309384507@mail.yahoo.com> <503474877.5177590.1598316384296@mail.yahoo.com> <004f01d67a7c$eaed1e30$c0c75a90$@verizon.net> <1197371802.5219414.1598326335247@mail.yahoo.com> <48a4338b-c9e6-f73e-36b4-483db8fb3895@verizon.net> Message-ID: <913844359.5414010.1598373754294@mail.yahoo.com> The MG guys also complain about the rubber deteriorating.? They are suggesting silicone steering? boots........now if someone could only find them.? In a message dated 8/25/2020 11:43:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:? I believe Kirk's "big hypodermic needle" was the means by which he he filled his rack and not necessarily the volume of oil -?? if that is what was meant by, "more than that." I took a tire fill valve, the metal kind that thread?? into place, removed the Schrader valve and drilling a tight fit hole at the upper/outer pleat on one side of the boot (see image). Removing the cap and attaching the oil containers tapered nozzle becomes a means to fill the rack. They mystery is what volume to replace??? The rack is not meant to be completely filled and there is no dip stick. A couple more thoughts. My Tiger has been stationary, on jackstands for 20+ years now. I'm 50 miles out of LA and the car doesn't see smog or sunlight. Regardless the condition of my circa 2000 purchased rubber parts (or parts with rubber) are absolutely dismal. I have OEM rubber parts on other cars that are 40-60 years old and still functional. Yet the deterioration of my "new" Tiger parts started in as little as 2-3 years (the lower ball joint rubber). I'm not sure if that is a general complaint or a warning to check your (relatively new) parts. Perhaps both. ?? ?? On 8/24/2020 8:32 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.?? I thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, twotigers at verizon.net writes:?? I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It???s been 20 years or so, and it???s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed where I pricked it.?? Kirk ?? From: Tigers On Behalf Of coolvt--- via Tigers Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack ?? I've filled a few racks?? over the years,but?? always with the rack off the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone have a foolproof method of doing this??? Mark L In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes: ?? Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would look almost too nice. ?? On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ?????? tigers at autox.team.net ?? To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ?????? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ?????? tigers-request at autox.team.net ?? You can reach the person managing the list at ?????? tigers-owner at autox.team.net ?? When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." ?? ?? Today's Topics: ?? ?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) ?? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) ?? ?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ?? Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 From: Jay To: Tom Witt Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ?? Here are some options from McMaster Carr.?? The first one is one of those squeeze bars types.?? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be their most narrow. ?? I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. ?? https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ ?? https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ ?? ?? On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: ?? Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. ?? ?? ?? ?? On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ ?? tigers at autox.team.net ?? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive ?? Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com ?? ?? ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ?? ------------------------------ ?? Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 From: steve wick To: "tigers at autox.team.net" , Tom Witt ?????? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: ?????? ?????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?? What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. ?? [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] ?? This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. ?? [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] ?? ?? Steve ?? ________________________________ From: Tigers on behalf of Tom Witt via Tigers Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack ?? ?? Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it helps with your search. Photo for comparison. ?? [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net] ?? ?? On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: ?? I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L ?? ?? ?? _______________________________________________ ?? tigers at autox.team.net ?? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive ?? Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net ?? ?? ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On the other side raise it as much as possible then break the lower zip tie or clamp on the? rack bellows. Allow enough time for the old oil to dribble out into a shallow pan possibly one of those old aluminum ones or non stick ones that your wife threw out like mine did..? Next AM replace tie remove high side? outboard tie If you didn't do it already to make it drain faster. And refill. Replace ties put wheels back on and you're done. On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Steering rack (Tom Witt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:41:26 -0700 From: Tom Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: <48a4338b-c9e6-f73e-36b4-483db8fb3895 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" I believe Kirk's "big hypodermic needle" was the means by which he he filled his rack and not necessarily the volume of oil -?? if that is what was meant by, "more than that." I took a tire fill valve, the metal kind that thread?? into place, removed the Schrader valve and drilling a tight fit hole at the upper/outer pleat on one side of the boot (see image). Removing the cap and attaching the oil containers tapered nozzle becomes a means to fill the rack. They mystery is what volume to replace??? The rack is not meant to be completely filled and there is no dip stick. A couple more thoughts. My Tiger has been stationary, on jackstands for 20+ years now. I'm 50 miles out of LA and the car doesn't see smog or sunlight. Regardless the condition of my circa 2000 purchased rubber parts (or parts with rubber) are absolutely dismal. I have OEM rubber parts on other cars that are 40-60 years old and still functional. Yet the deterioration of my "new" Tiger parts started in as little as 2-3 years (the lower ball joint rubber). I'm not sure if that is a general complaint or a warning to check your (relatively new) parts. Perhaps both. On 8/24/2020 8:32 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.?? I > thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > twotigers at verizon.net writes: > > I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found > the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole > through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic > needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It???s been 20 > years or so, and it???s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed > where I pricked it.?? Kirk > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of > *coolvt--- via Tigers > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Steering rack > > I've filled a few racks?? over the years,but?? always with the rack off > the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone > have a foolproof method of doing this??? Mark L > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. > I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on > Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would > look almost too nice. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request > wrote: > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > ?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) > > ?? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 > > From: Jay > > > To: Tom Witt > > > Cc: Tigers > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here are some options from McMaster Carr.?? The first one is one of > those squeeze bars types.?? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be > their most narrow. > > I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ > > On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > > wrote: > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 > > From: steve wick > > > To: "tigers at autox.team.net " > >, Tom Witt > > ?????? > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: > > ?????? > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply > stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. > > [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] > > This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. > > [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] > > Steve > > ________________________________ > > From: Tigers > on behalf of Tom Witt via > Tigers > > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net > ] > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 1554373 bytes > > Desc: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 112678 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 73960 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers mailing list > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 188 > > *************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wjtwgoodman at aol.com Tue Aug 25 11:14:33 2020 From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rack filling References: <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849@mail.yahoo.com> The amount to fill the rack is in the shop manual.? Should you desire to drain the rack take off one wheel lower that side of the car as much as possible. On the other side raise it as much as possible then break the lower zip tie or clamp on the? rack bellows. Allow enough time for the old oil to dribble out into a shallow pan possibly one of those old aluminum ones or non stick ones that your wife threw out like mine did..? Next AM replace tie remove high side? outboard tie If you didn't do it already to make it drain faster. And refill. Replace ties put wheels back on and you're done. On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Steering rack (Tom Witt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:41:26 -0700 From: Tom Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: <48a4338b-c9e6-f73e-36b4-483db8fb3895 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" I believe Kirk's "big hypodermic needle" was the means by which he he filled his rack and not necessarily the volume of oil -?? if that is what was meant by, "more than that." I took a tire fill valve, the metal kind that thread?? into place, removed the Schrader valve and drilling a tight fit hole at the upper/outer pleat on one side of the boot (see image). Removing the cap and attaching the oil containers tapered nozzle becomes a means to fill the rack. They mystery is what volume to replace??? The rack is not meant to be completely filled and there is no dip stick. A couple more thoughts. My Tiger has been stationary, on jackstands for 20+ years now. I'm 50 miles out of LA and the car doesn't see smog or sunlight. Regardless the condition of my circa 2000 purchased rubber parts (or parts with rubber) are absolutely dismal. I have OEM rubber parts on other cars that are 40-60 years old and still functional. Yet the deterioration of my "new" Tiger parts started in as little as 2-3 years (the lower ball joint rubber). I'm not sure if that is a general complaint or a warning to check your (relatively new) parts. Perhaps both. On 8/24/2020 8:32 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.?? I > thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > twotigers at verizon.net writes: > > I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found > the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole > through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic > needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It???s been 20 > years or so, and it???s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed > where I pricked it.?? Kirk > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of > *coolvt--- via Tigers > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Steering rack > > I've filled a few racks?? over the years,but?? always with the rack off > the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone > have a foolproof method of doing this??? Mark L > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. > I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on > Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would > look almost too nice. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request > wrote: > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > ?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) > > ?? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 > > From: Jay > > > To: Tom Witt > > > Cc: Tigers > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here are some options from McMaster Carr.?? The first one is one of > those squeeze bars types.?? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be > their most narrow. > > I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ > > On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > > wrote: > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 > > From: steve wick > > > To: "tigers at autox.team.net " > >, Tom Witt > > ?????? > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: > > ?????? > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply > stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. > > [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] > > This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. > > [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] > > Steve > > ________________________________ > > From: Tigers > on behalf of Tom Witt via > Tigers > > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net > ] > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 1554373 bytes > > Desc: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 112678 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 73960 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers mailing list > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 188 > > *************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wjtwgoodman at aol.com Tue Aug 25 11:14:33 2020 From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rack filling References: <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849@mail.yahoo.com> The amount to fill the rack is in the shop manual.? Should you desire to drain the rack take off one wheel lower that side of the car as much as possible. On the other side raise it as much as possible then break the lower zip tie or clamp on the? rack bellows. Allow enough time for the old oil to dribble out into a shallow pan possibly one of those old aluminum ones or non stick ones that your wife threw out like mine did..? Next AM replace tie remove high side? outboard tie If you didn't do it already to make it drain faster. And refill. Replace ties put wheels back on and you're done. On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Steering rack (Tom Witt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:41:26 -0700 From: Tom Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack Message-ID: <48a4338b-c9e6-f73e-36b4-483db8fb3895 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" I believe Kirk's "big hypodermic needle" was the means by which he he filled his rack and not necessarily the volume of oil -?? if that is what was meant by, "more than that." I took a tire fill valve, the metal kind that thread?? into place, removed the Schrader valve and drilling a tight fit hole at the upper/outer pleat on one side of the boot (see image). Removing the cap and attaching the oil containers tapered nozzle becomes a means to fill the rack. They mystery is what volume to replace??? The rack is not meant to be completely filled and there is no dip stick. A couple more thoughts. My Tiger has been stationary, on jackstands for 20+ years now. I'm 50 miles out of LA and the car doesn't see smog or sunlight. Regardless the condition of my circa 2000 purchased rubber parts (or parts with rubber) are absolutely dismal. I have OEM rubber parts on other cars that are 40-60 years old and still functional. Yet the deterioration of my "new" Tiger parts started in as little as 2-3 years (the lower ball joint rubber). I'm not sure if that is a general complaint or a warning to check your (relatively new) parts. Perhaps both. On 8/24/2020 8:32 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.?? I > thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > twotigers at verizon.net writes: > > I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found > the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole > through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic > needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It???s been 20 > years or so, and it???s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed > where I pricked it.?? Kirk > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of > *coolvt--- via Tigers > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Steering rack > > I've filled a few racks?? over the years,but?? always with the rack off > the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone > have a foolproof method of doing this??? Mark L > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. > I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on > Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would > look almost too nice. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request > wrote: > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > ?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) > > ?? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 > > From: Jay > > > To: Tom Witt > > > Cc: Tigers > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here are some options from McMaster Carr.?? The first one is one of > those squeeze bars types.?? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be > their most narrow. > > I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ > > On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > > wrote: > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 > > From: steve wick > > > To: "tigers at autox.team.net " > >, Tom Witt > > ?????? > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Message-ID: > > ?????? > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply > stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. > > [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] > > This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. > > [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] > > Steve > > ________________________________ > > From: Tigers > on behalf of Tom Witt via > Tigers > > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net > ] > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 1554373 bytes > > Desc: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 112678 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 73960 bytes > > Desc: image.png > > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers mailing list > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 188 > > *************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From coolvt at aol.com Tue Aug 25 11:20:58 2020 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rack filling In-Reply-To: <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2077697525.5445999.1598376058777@mail.yahoo.com> I have the Midget rack rather than the Tiger. The MG guys claim 8 oz. for the Midget rack. Maybe it's smaller than the Tiger and thus, would use less fluid? ?In a message dated 8/25/2020 1:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:? The amount to fill the rack is in the shop manual.? Should you desire to drain the rack take off one wheel lower that side of the car as much as possible. On the other side raise it as much as possible then break the lower zip tie or clamp on the? rack bellows. Allow enough time for the old oil to dribble out into a shallow pan possibly one of those old aluminum ones or non stick ones that your wife threw out like mine did..? Next AM replace tie remove high side? outboard tie If you didn't do it already to make it drain faster. And refill. Replace ties put wheels back on and you're done. ?On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to??? tigers at autox.team.net?To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to??? tigers-request at autox.team.net?You can reach the person managing the list at??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net?When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."??Today's Topics:?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Tom Witt)??----------------------------------------------------------------------?Message: 1Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:41:26 -0700From: Tom Witt To: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rackMessage-ID: <48a4338b-c9e6-f73e-36b4-483db8fb3895 at verizon.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"?I believe Kirk's "big hypodermic needle" was the means by which he he filled his rack and not necessarily the volume of oil -?? if that is what was meant by, "more than that."?I took a tire fill valve, the metal kind that thread?? into place, removed the Schrader valve and drilling a tight fit hole at the upper/outer pleat on one side of the boot (see image). Removing the cap and attaching the oil containers tapered nozzle becomes a means to fill the rack. They mystery is what volume to replace??? The rack is not meant to be completely filled and there is no dip stick.?A couple more thoughts. My Tiger has been stationary, on jackstands for 20+ years now. I'm 50 miles out of LA and the car doesn't see smog or sunlight. Regardless the condition of my circa 2000 purchased rubber parts (or parts with rubber) are absolutely dismal. I have OEM rubber parts on other cars that are 40-60 years old and still functional. Yet the deterioration of my "new" Tiger parts started in as little as 2-3 years (the lower ball joint rubber). I'm not sure if that is a general complaint or a warning to check your (relatively new) parts. Perhaps both.?On 8/24/2020 8:32 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:> I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.?? I > thought the Tiger rack was much more than that.>> In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > twotigers at verizon.net writes:>> I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found > the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole > through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic > needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It???s been 20 > years or so, and it???s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed > where I pricked it.?? Kirk>> *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of > *coolvt--- via Tigers> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Tigers] Steering rack>> I've filled a few racks?? over the years,but?? always with the rack off > the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone > have a foolproof method of doing this??? Mark L>> In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes:>> Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties.> I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on > Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would > look almost too nice.>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------>> On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request > wrote:>> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to>> tigers at autox.team.net >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>> tigers-request at autox.team.net >> You can reach the person managing the list at>> tigers-owner at autox.team.net >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific>> than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest...">> Today's Topics:>> ?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay)>> ?? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick)>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> Message: 1>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700>> From: Jay >>> To: Tom Witt >>> Cc: Tigers >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack>> Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> Here are some options from McMaster Carr.?? The first one is one of > those squeeze bars types.?? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be > their most narrow.>> I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere.>> https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/>> https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/>> On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > > wrote:>> Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison.>> >> On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:>> >>> > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________>> >>> > tigers at autox.team.net > >>> >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > >> >>> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________>> tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL: > >> ------------------------------>> Message: 2>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000>> From: steve wick >>> To: "tigers at autox.team.net " > >, Tom Witt>> ?????? >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack>> Message-ID:>> ?????? > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply > stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now.>> [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb]>> This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog.>> [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8]>> Steve>> ________________________________>> From: Tigers > on behalf of Tom Witt via > Tigers >>> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM>> To: tigers at autox.team.net > >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack>> Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > helps with your search. Photo for comparison.>> [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net > ]>> On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:>> I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L>> _______________________________________________>> tigers at autox.team.net > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net>> -------------- next part -------------->> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...>> URL: > >> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png>> Type: image/png>> Size: 1554373 bytes>> Desc: ichnfkdfppofgpgj.png>> URL: > >> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: image.png>> Type: image/png>> Size: 112678 bytes>> Desc: image.png>> URL: > >> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: image.png>> Type: image/png>> Size: 73960 bytes>> Desc: image.png>> URL: > >> ------------------------------>> Subject: Digest Footer>> _______________________________________________>> Tigers mailing list>> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive>> ------------------------------>> End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 188>> ***************************************>> _______________________________________________>> tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com>>> _______________________________________________>> tigers at autox.team.net>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net>>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: gilgejafmidgbfkb.pngType: image/pngSize: 344060 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: ififgpgdbmkhnfoc.pngType: image/pngSize: 901351 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: ioedbaknmcppobgo.pngType: image/pngSize: 418812 bytesDesc: not availableURL: ?------------------------------?Subject: Digest Footer?_______________________________________________Tigers mailing listTigers at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers?Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive??------------------------------?End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 193***************************************_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Tue Aug 25 15:46:40 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 14:46:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rack filling In-Reply-To: <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2034178642.6045213.1598375673849@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97f4c114-32ed-7704-3c3f-153681f454bb@comcast.net> Reading this thread reminded me... years ago I had to fill my rack in the car. My old brain forgets the details but I do remember I jacked the car up on the passenger side. I think I removed the little plate on the front passenger side of the rack (covers the hole that the piston and spring go in on the drivers side).?? I must have poured the oil in there. I do remember I had to work the rack left and right to get the thick oil to distribute to the drivers side. I think I had to change the rack boots(bellows) because the ones SS supplied me were REALLY thin and cheap and leaked. Putting the oil in that way was easier than pulling the radiator and then the rack and fill it out of the car...? which is much preferred. Gary On 8/25/2020 10:14 AM, Warren Goodman via Tigers wrote: > > The amount to fill the rack is in the shop manual. Should you desire > to drain the rack take off one wheel lower that side of the car as > much as possible. > On the other side raise it as much as possible then break the lower > zip tie or clamp on the? rack bellows. Allow enough time for the old > oil to dribble out into a shallow pan possibly one of those old > aluminum ones or non stick ones that your wife threw out like mine > did..? Next AM replace tie remove high side outboard tie If you didn't > do it already to make it drain faster. > And refill. Replace ties put wheels back on and you're done. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 tigers-request wrote: > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Steering rack (Tom Witt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:41:26 -0700 > From: Tom Witt > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > Message-ID: <48a4338b-c9e6-f73e-36b4-483db8fb3895 at verizon.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > I believe Kirk's "big hypodermic needle" was the means by which he he > filled his rack and not necessarily the volume of oil -?? if that is what > was meant by, "more than that." > > I took a tire fill valve, the metal kind that thread?? into place, > removed the Schrader valve and drilling a tight fit hole at the > upper/outer pleat on one side of the boot (see image). Removing the cap > and attaching the oil containers tapered nozzle becomes a means to fill > the rack. They mystery is what volume to replace??? The rack is not > meant to be completely filled and there is no dip stick. > > A couple more thoughts. My Tiger has been stationary, on jackstands for > 20+ years now. I'm 50 miles out of LA and the car doesn't see smog or > sunlight. Regardless the condition of my circa 2000 purchased rubber > parts (or parts with rubber) are absolutely dismal. I have OEM rubber > parts on other cars that are 40-60 years old and still functional. Yet > the deterioration of my "new" Tiger parts started in as little as 2-3 > years (the lower ball joint rubber). I'm not sure if that is a general > complaint or a warning to check your (relatively new) parts. Perhaps both. > > On 8/24/2020 8:32 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > I find that the MG Midget rack that I use requires 8 oz. of oil.?? I > > thought the Tiger rack was much more than that. > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 9:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > twotigers at verizon.net writes: > > > > I watched my rack bellows as I turned the wheel lock to lock- found > > the section of the bellow that flexed the least, poked a tiny hole > > through the top of that bellow, filled the rack with a big hypodermic > > needle, then put a spot of butyl rubber on the pin hole. It???s been 20 > > years or so, and it???s never leaked and the rubber is still sealed > > where I pricked it.?? Kirk > > > > *From:* Tigers > *On Behalf Of > > *coolvt--- via Tigers > > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:46 PM > > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > > > > *Subject:* [Tigers] Steering rack > > > > I've filled a few racks?? over the years,but?? always with the rack off > > the car. I'm thinking of trying with rack on the car this time. Anyone > > have a foolproof method of doing this??? Mark L > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2020 6:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > tigers at autox.team.net > > writes: > > > > Ditto's on the wanting something better than zip ties. > > I have seen a similar to the sardine clamp for the vacuum booster on > > Moss motors. It's close but no cigar. The stainless steel ones would > > look almost too nice. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > On Monday, August 24, 2020 tigers-request > > >> wrote: > > > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > ?? 1. Re: Steering rack (Jay) > > > > ?? 2. Re: Steering rack (steve wick) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:34:00 -0700 > > > > From: Jay > >> > > > > To: Tom Witt > >> > > > > Cc: Tigers > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > > > Message-ID: <0A9CFE40-AE38-481E-9F18-15C80B2B4CFF at gmail.com > > > >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Here are some options from McMaster Carr.?? The first one is one of > > those squeeze bars types.?? The other is 5/16? wide, which seems to be > > their most narrow. > > > > I know I?ve seen more narrow somewhere. > > > > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/constant-tension-spring-clamps-for-firm-hose-and-tube/ > > > > > https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~worm-drive/band-width~5-16/ > > > > On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers > > > >> wrote: > > > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > > > > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > > good clamps that will work to secure??? Radiator clamps seem a little > > too wide and tend to cut into the boot.?? ??Thanks, Mark L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > > URL: > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 22:27:22 +0000 > > > > From: steve wick > >> > > > > To: "tigers at autox.team.net > >" > > > >>, Tom Witt > > > > ?????? > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > > > Message-ID: > > > > ?????? > > > > > > > >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > What size do you need? A PEX clamp, available at plumbing/home supply > > stores may work, and is similar to what auto manufacturers use now. > > > > [cid:d5e737fc-a7bd-4c11-b175-ac3df52da3fb] > > > > This is from the McMaster-Carr catalog. > > > > [cid:02be576d-669c-40d6-9f65-5cc9ff9e0cb8] > > > > Steve > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Tigers > > >> on behalf of Tom Witt via > > Tigers > >> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:21 PM > > > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > > > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack > > > > Wanting something better than plastic zip ties to secure the boots I > > ventures to the world of hose clamps. You are correct most are too > > wide. I scoured through Pick Your Part and found certain BMW clamps > > (left in image) from the 80's/90's to not only be narrow enough, but > > also have a slight bevel on the edge. That said it was still a search > > to find the clamp in an appropriate diameter. I used these on my Tiger > > rack. I'd assume the midget rack boots are similar. Sorry I can't tell > > you the year/model and location the clamps were used but hopefully it > > helps with your search. Photo for comparison. > > > > [cid:part1.6A2F5674.9E614D0F at verizon.net > > > >] > > > > On 8/24/2020 6:42 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > > > > I have the MG Midget steering rack conversion.?? I need rubber > > boots.?? Does it take the same as a standard Tiger??? Also, what are > > good clamps that will work to secure??? 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URL: From blance598 at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 07:29:03 2020 From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Filling the rack Message-ID: I used as clear plastic line connected to a pump type oil can down to the cap on the passenger side, with the jacked up a little, I can determine the amount of oil when filling the oil can. Easy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Aug 26 10:18:33 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Filling the rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There has been a lot of good advise regarding refilling the rack and ensuring that the amount added meets the volume stated in the manual. But, short of removing a boot and tilting the car for a lengthy time there really is no way of knowing when the fluid is replenished there isn't residual and the rack may be getting overfilled. Perhaps another point that could be part of this discussion is why the rack needs to have fluid added. Leaking boots are an obvious point but the rack end caps where they go over the tube are another source. I recall the Shop Notes... (where are mine???) had a discussion about that.As I stated in a previous post my rack was gone thru and 20 years later with no use there is an accumulation of gear oil on the crossmember. It isn't where you can see it dripping but it must leak in the smallest amount.?? Has anyone come up with a good solution for the end caps? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twotigers at verizon.net Wed Aug 26 14:01:01 2020 From: twotigers at verizon.net (twotigers at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:01:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Filling the rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d67be3$a050f0a0$e0f2d1e0$@verizon.net> Quoting Tom, ?Perhaps another point that could be part of this discussion is why the rack needs to have fluid added.? Because it?s BRITISH. LOL! From: Tigers On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:19 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Filling the rack There has been a lot of good advise regarding refilling the rack and ensuring that the amount added meets the volume stated in the manual. But, short of removing a boot and tilting the car for a lengthy time there really is no way of knowing when the fluid is replenished there isn't residual and the rack may be getting overfilled. Perhaps another point that could be part of this discussion is why the rack needs to have fluid added. Leaking boots are an obvious point but the rack end caps where they go over the tube are another source. I recall the Shop Notes... (where are mine???) had a discussion about that.As I stated in a previous post my rack was gone thru and 20 years later with no use there is an accumulation of gear oil on the crossmember. It isn't where you can see it dripping but it must leak in the smallest amount.?? Has anyone come up with a good solution for the end caps? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coolvt at aol.com Wed Aug 26 14:11:53 2020 From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Filling the rack In-Reply-To: <002201d67be3$a050f0a0$e0f2d1e0$@verizon.net> References: <002201d67be3$a050f0a0$e0f2d1e0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <107825419.5928421.1598472713125@mail.yahoo.com> In my case the rack has to be filled because the boot split and the fluid leaked out.? In a message dated 8/26/2020 4:01:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:? Quoting Tom, ?Perhaps another point that could be part of this discussion is why the rack needs to have fluid added.? ? Because it?s BRITISH. LOL! ? From: Tigers On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:19 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Filling the rack ? There has been a lot of good advise regarding refilling the rack and ensuring that the amount added meets the volume stated in the manual. But, short of removing a boot and tilting the car for a lengthy time there really is no way of knowing when the fluid is replenished there isn't residual and the rack may be getting overfilled. Perhaps another point that could be part of this discussion is why the rack needs to have fluid added. Leaking boots are an obvious point but the rack end caps where they go over the tube are another source. I recall the Shop Notes... (where are mine???) had a discussion about that.As I stated in a previous post my rack was gone thru and 20 years later with no use there is an accumulation of gear oil on the crossmember. It isn't where you can see it dripping but it must leak in the smallest amount.?? Has anyone come up with a good solution for the end caps? ? _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 14:14:27 2020 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:14:27 +0200 Subject: [Tigers] Filling the rack In-Reply-To: <107825419.5928421.1598472713125@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002201d67be3$a050f0a0$e0f2d1e0$@verizon.net> <107825419.5928421.1598472713125@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: must have been a US made boot. next time try the british ones. On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:12 PM coolvt--- via Tigers wrote: > In my case the rack has to be filled because the boot split and the fluid > leaked out. > > In a message dated 8/26/2020 4:01:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tigers at autox.team.net writes: > > > Quoting Tom, ?Perhaps another point that could be part of this discussion > is why the rack needs to have fluid added.? > > > > Because it?s BRITISH. LOL! > > > > *From:* Tigers *On Behalf Of *Tom Witt > via Tigers > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:19 AM > *To:* tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Filling the rack > > > > There has been a lot of good advise regarding refilling the rack and > ensuring that the amount added meets the volume stated in the manual. But, > short of removing a boot and tilting the car for a lengthy time there > really is no way of knowing when the fluid is replenished there isn't > residual and the rack may be getting overfilled. > > Perhaps another point that could be part of this discussion is why the > rack needs to have fluid added. Leaking boots are an obvious point but the > rack end caps where they go over the tube are another source. I recall the > Shop Notes... (where are mine???) had a discussion about that.As I stated > in a previous post my rack was gone thru and 20 years later with no use > there is an accumulation of gear oil on the crossmember. It isn't where you > can see it dripping but it must leak in the smallest amount.?? Has anyone > come up with a good solution for the end caps? > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 16:36:17 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 15:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Filling the rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7873d2c8-6f35-3cf0-62e4-b0e1003eccc6@comcast.net> I have a rack that was reportedly rebuilt by Dan and/or Dale. It was expoxied between the tube and cast ends.? From the looks of it is its still slightly seeping... Gary On 8/26/2020 9:18 AM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: > > There has been a lot of good advise regarding refilling the rack and > ensuring that the amount added meets the volume stated in the manual. > But, short of removing a boot and tilting the car for a lengthy time > there really is no way of knowing when the fluid is replenished there > isn't residual and the rack may be getting overfilled. > > Perhaps another point that could be part of this discussion is why the > rack needs to have fluid added. Leaking boots are an obvious point but > the rack end caps where they go over the tube are another source. I > recall the Shop Notes... (where are mine???) had a discussion about > that.As I stated in a previous post my rack was gone thru and 20 years > later with no use there is an accumulation of gear oil on the > crossmember. It isn't where you can see it dripping but it must leak > in the smallest amount.?? Has anyone come up with a good solution for > the end caps? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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