From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 05:53:28 2020
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 07:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Nothing to do?
Message-ID: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>

I just checked out the archives listed at the bottom of these messages for
the first time. After being on the list 9 or 10 years it's pretty good to
scroll through some of the topics.  Interesting to see who's still here and
who isn't also.
   Regards,
     Jeff
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Wed Apr  1 06:28:16 2020
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 08:28:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Former Tiger Owner
Message-ID: <0BDAD529-2900-42DB-A6D0-3157F14E237B@cox.net>

Hi All

I am looking for the former owner of my Tiger 9470033. In the BON Registry it lists a R Collier as the 1st or 2nd owner.

Just recently I found a Ray Collier listed in a 1981 CAT Membership Roster. At the time he was living in Fresno, CA. I am pretty sure my Tiger was originally a CA car as the BON also lists a CA license of CATNO33

If anybody recalls Ray Collier or knows how to contact him I would appreciate the feedback.

Thanks
Jim Lindner

Sent from my iPad

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr  1 08:45:39 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 08:45:39 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Nothing to do?
In-Reply-To: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f2a1b4f5-4e41-ae4f-8a41-dee46cf0e0ff@bradakis.com>

On 4/1/20 5:53 AM, Jeffery Randall via Tigers wrote:
> I just checked out the archives listed at the bottom of these messages 
> for the first time. After being on the list 9 or 10 years it's pretty 
> good to scroll through some of the topics.? Interesting to see who's 
> still here and who isn't also.


An excerpt from a recent post to another list:

I discovered a while back there is a problem with the search function of 
the archives.? Messages are indeed getting added to the archives [ link 
below for real time, near top for digest ] but the search function 
apparently quit adding new messages to the database some years ago.? 
This is, at least to me, a serious problem.? The Team Net email archives 
are an incredible source of information collected over the decades, I 
would like them to be as useful as possible.? Broken searching is not 
useful.

Maybe when I retire in a while I'll have more time to wade through the 
twisty little maze of old. unsupported, outdated software that is behind 
the archives, figure out the problem and get things to where they should 
be.? I'll poke around some before then, not sure how long it may take.

I'm not getting any younger, will be hitting 66 years old in a couple 
weeks, Team Net will be 29 on the same day, so retirement may be just 
around the corner.? We shall see.

Stay healthey.

mjb.



From tym2 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  1 15:36:34 2020
From: tym2 at comcast.net (Dr. T. Y. McDowell)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 17:36:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Nothing to do?
In-Reply-To: <f2a1b4f5-4e41-ae4f-8a41-dee46cf0e0ff@bradakis.com>
References: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <f2a1b4f5-4e41-ae4f-8a41-dee46cf0e0ff@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <143377802.113572.1585776994872@connect.xfinity.com>

Mark,

At 66 you're probably one of the young guys on this list!

Tym McDowell
> On April 1, 2020 at 10:45 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 4/1/20 5:53 AM, Jeffery Randall via Tigers wrote:
> > I just checked out the archives listed at the bottom of these messages 
> > for the first time. After being on the list 9 or 10 years it's pretty 
> > good to scroll through some of the topics.? Interesting to see who's 
> > still here and who isn't also.
> 
> 
> An excerpt from a recent post to another list:
> 
> I discovered a while back there is a problem with the search function of 
> the archives.? Messages are indeed getting added to the archives [ link 
> below for real time, near top for digest ] but the search function 
> apparently quit adding new messages to the database some years ago.? 
> This is, at least to me, a serious problem.? The Team Net email archives 
> are an incredible source of information collected over the decades, I 
> would like them to be as useful as possible.? Broken searching is not 
> useful.
> 
> Maybe when I retire in a while I'll have more time to wade through the 
> twisty little maze of old. unsupported, outdated software that is behind 
> the archives, figure out the problem and get things to where they should 
> be.? I'll poke around some before then, not sure how long it may take.
> 
> I'm not getting any younger, will be hitting 66 years old in a couple 
> weeks, Team Net will be 29 on the same day, so retirement may be just 
> around the corner.? We shall see.
> 
> Stay healthey.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
> 
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net
> 
>

From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 16:01:01 2020
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 15:01:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Nothing to do?
In-Reply-To: <f2a1b4f5-4e41-ae4f-8a41-dee46cf0e0ff@bradakis.com>
References: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <f2a1b4f5-4e41-ae4f-8a41-dee46cf0e0ff@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z4Z3Bs+0TDy1ZhdJ3YBg33M3UWHX4A3X_GerKF2jBcx8w@mail.gmail.com>

I actually started going through the archives and copying answers into
subject matter folders.  My intent was to put it up and share it.  Then
life got busier.  Maybe we can get that going again.  So much good info in
there.

The bummer is that I think the laptop that I was doing that work on crashed
and burned some time ago.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 7:45 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> On 4/1/20 5:53 AM, Jeffery Randall via Tigers wrote:
> > I just checked out the archives listed at the bottom of these messages
> > for the first time. After being on the list 9 or 10 years it's pretty
> > good to scroll through some of the topics.  Interesting to see who's
> > still here and who isn't also.
>
>
> An excerpt from a recent post to another list:
>
> I discovered a while back there is a problem with the search function of
> the archives.  Messages are indeed getting added to the archives [ link
> below for real time, near top for digest ] but the search function
> apparently quit adding new messages to the database some years ago.
> This is, at least to me, a serious problem.  The Team Net email archives
> are an incredible source of information collected over the decades, I
> would like them to be as useful as possible.  Broken searching is not
> useful.
>
> Maybe when I retire in a while I'll have more time to wade through the
> twisty little maze of old. unsupported, outdated software that is behind
> the archives, figure out the problem and get things to where they should
> be.  I'll poke around some before then, not sure how long it may take.
>
> I'm not getting any younger, will be hitting 66 years old in a couple
> weeks, Team Net will be 29 on the same day, so retirement may be just
> around the corner.  We shall see.
>
> Stay healthey.
>
> mjb.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe:
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>
>
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 10:55:55 2020
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 18:55:55 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Nothing to do?
In-Reply-To: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANE47iT9COPVbpy9qDakUfBoUs2MJwone3d_zOfcT8agzd9SUA@mail.gmail.com>

some of us are still here in the background, reading each message if not
contributing much....

best wishes to all!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:53 PM Jeffery Randall via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I just checked out the archives listed at the bottom of these messages for
> the first time. After being on the list 9 or 10 years it's pretty good to
> scroll through some of the topics.  Interesting to see who's still here and
> who isn't also.
>    Regards,
>      Jeff
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr  2 11:13:49 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 11:13:49 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Nothing to do?
In-Reply-To: <CANE47iT9COPVbpy9qDakUfBoUs2MJwone3d_zOfcT8agzd9SUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANE47iT9COPVbpy9qDakUfBoUs2MJwone3d_zOfcT8agzd9SUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e808d90-eb03-d8ce-9ef4-74a9f20e9d94@bradakis.com>

If you are stuck with nothing to do, here's some suggestions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8nRL2bPCU


mjb.



From dan_doornbos at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  3 10:55:48 2020
From: dan_doornbos at hotmail.com (daniel doornbos)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 16:55:48 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Youtube car list
Message-ID: <CY4PR18MB10790A7EDC094E1104C5D68CFDC70@CY4PR18MB1079.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

What would you buy for $60k?  Tiger made this list, Brad Phillips at 5:30 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvLQeWNtPQ0


dan
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:50:21 2020
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 14:50:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Floor Mats
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfmSVAvYTwYhB+V1qLHS31fLEJMaecbC2QEsQF3vMvR-6w@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I'm in the process of installing my carpet kit and I realized I don't want
to mess up this nice carpet with my nasty shoes.  I'm thinking I would like
to find some decent rubber mats I could throw over the carpet while I'm
driving.  So, I'm looking for recommendations.

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com  Thu Apr  9 15:14:28 2020
From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (Ken)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 15:14:28 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Floor Mats
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfmSVAvYTwYhB+V1qLHS31fLEJMaecbC2QEsQF3vMvR-6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfmSVAvYTwYhB+V1qLHS31fLEJMaecbC2QEsQF3vMvR-6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7b5ae5e-1be5-427b-f16d-0cbf297e2620@ix.netcom.com>

These guys are the bomb:

https://www.accmats.com/floor-mats/ <https://www.accmats.com/floor-mats/>

On 4/9/2020 1:50 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'm in the process of installing my carpet kit and I realized I don't 
> want to mess up this nice carpet with my nasty shoes.? I'm thinking I 
> would like to find some decent rubber mats I could throw over the 
> carpet while I'm driving. So, I'm looking for recommendations.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ktisdale at ix.netcom.com
>
>
-- 
Ken Tisdale
303-807-5488

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 17:47:59 2020
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 09:47:59 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Floor Mats
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfmSVAvYTwYhB+V1qLHS31fLEJMaecbC2QEsQF3vMvR-6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfmSVAvYTwYhB+V1qLHS31fLEJMaecbC2QEsQF3vMvR-6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAET8snXfn10apYXcr18KMF1EhcU3XVjHY+Bt2wZ+eStR8t73tw@mail.gmail.com>

Why not get the lovely fitted Tiger logo embroided ones... Best of
both worlds.



On Fri., 10 Apr. 2020, 05:50 Joe Brown via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I'm in the process of installing my carpet kit and I realized I don't want
> to mess up this nice carpet with my nasty shoes.  I'm thinking I would like
> to find some decent rubber mats I could throw over the carpet while I'm
> driving.  So, I'm looking for recommendations.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com
>
>
>
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From randya at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 10 01:17:17 2020
From: randya at pacbell.net (Randall Antosiak)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 07:17:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Shelby American Documentary on Netflix
In-Reply-To: <7e808d90-eb03-d8ce-9ef4-74a9f20e9d94@bradakis.com>
References: <CAGiVA4adt7sLuqFeG0UfM2xD86Trv4nvVg9O5aUjX8oFQ=PEgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANE47iT9COPVbpy9qDakUfBoUs2MJwone3d_zOfcT8agzd9SUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7e808d90-eb03-d8ce-9ef4-74a9f20e9d94@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <304844680.3703067.1586503037534@mail.yahoo.com>

Shelby American is a recent (2019) documentary on Netflix.??Featuring interviews and vintage footage, this documentary traces American icon Carroll Shelby's life of reinvention from farmer to racer to entrepreneur.

Shelby was a fascinating man.? I enjoyed this movie as much, if not more than Ford v. Ferrari.

From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Apr 10 05:29:04 2020
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 08:29:04 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Floor Mats
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snXfn10apYXcr18KMF1EhcU3XVjHY+Bt2wZ+eStR8t73tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bs3dkb5oairanbgjdrbnvm7.1586518144753@munroe.ca>

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From mark44124 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 09:09:06 2020
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:09:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Floor Mats
In-Reply-To: <9bs3dkb5oairanbgjdrbnvm7.1586518144753@munroe.ca>
References: <CAET8snXfn10apYXcr18KMF1EhcU3XVjHY+Bt2wZ+eStR8t73tw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9bs3dkb5oairanbgjdrbnvm7.1586518144753@munroe.ca>
Message-ID: <CA+8dKTtGXtU8VAgXR05o3ufMxv7avmgp9LnBTL3Z0hWQu5CWuQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just bought a second set of mats from Martha (Proprep) for every Tiger.
Use one pair for driving, second pair for shows and such.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:30 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have these in my Tiger. They are high quality, beautiful floor mats.
>
> That's the problem. They are so nice, I had to get the small rubber floor
> mats to protect these too!
>
> But the big advantage is how easily they come out for cleaning...  ?
>
> FWIW...
>
> Dave
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry ? the most secure mobile device ? via the Bell
> Network
> *From:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* April 9, 2020 8:48 PM
> *To:* jbbrown1980 at gmail.com
> *Reply to:* michael.s.king at gmail.com
> *Cc:* Tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Floor Mats
>
> Why not get the lovely fitted Tiger logo embroided ones... Best of
> both worlds.
>
>
>
> On Fri., 10 Apr. 2020, 05:50 Joe Brown via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I'm in the process of installing my carpet kit and I realized I don't
>> want to mess up this nice carpet with my nasty shoes.  I'm thinking I would
>> like to find some decent rubber mats I could throw over the carpet while
>> I'm driving.  So, I'm looking for recommendations.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Brown
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 10 23:14:56 2020
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:14:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Old footage with a little Ken Miles
References: <66BF24DA-04F6-46C3-A7E3-51E1B281FA7E.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <66BF24DA-04F6-46C3-A7E3-51E1B281FA7E@yahoo.com>

I?d forgotten about this show. Brings back memories!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=7vUmHEeuIKM&feature=emb_logo <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=7vUmHEeuIKM&feature=emb_logo>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 11 07:08:33 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:08:33 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
Message-ID: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>

April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a 
while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually 
I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and 
then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.

Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection 
at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, 
the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware 
has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my 
pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I 
missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.

So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.

I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
die.? Sigh.

But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.

mjb.



From tym2 at comcast.net  Sat Apr 11 08:47:14 2020
From: tym2 at comcast.net (Dr. T. Y. McDowell)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
In-Reply-To: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
References: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <267395490.350696.1586616435328@connect.xfinity.com>

Mark,

Happy Birthday!
Thanks for the history lesson and for all that you do.  I had no idea!

Tym McDowell
> On April 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a 
> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually 
> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and 
> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection 
> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, 
> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware 
> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my 
> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I 
> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
> die.? Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
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> 
>

From mwood24020 at aol.com  Sat Apr 11 09:28:58 2020
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:28:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
In-Reply-To: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
References: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <827156522.2729682.1586618938965@mail.yahoo.com>


Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday

April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a 
while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually 
I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and 
then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.

Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection 
at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, 
the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware 
has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my 
pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I 
missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.

So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.

I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
die.? Sigh.

But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.

mjb.


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From lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 11 10:19:34 2020
From: lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com (Derrick Schmidt)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:19:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
In-Reply-To: <827156522.2729682.1586618938965@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
 <827156522.2729682.1586618938965@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1185813314.4184375.1586621974465@mail.yahoo.com>

Very much appreciated by all!!!
Derrick


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:33 AM, Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday

April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a 
while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually 
I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and 
then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.

Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection 
at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, 
the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware 
has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my 
pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I 
missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.

So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.

I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
die.? Sigh.

But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.

mjb.


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From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com  Sat Apr 11 10:26:05 2020
From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (Ken)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:26:05 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
In-Reply-To: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
References: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <394b5a06-8bb7-3530-f35f-eeac82a820ca@ix.netcom.com>

Happy BDay to Mark and Team.Net!!

Ken

On 4/11/2020 7:08 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers wrote:
> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for 
> a while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? 
> Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? 
> Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX 
> boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe 
> someday.
>
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers 
> at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested 
> I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network 
> connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And 
> as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with 
> one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, 
> who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back 
> about $2,500.? Hardware has improved since then.? And that money 
> didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the 
> list members and got a great response.? Back then it was all checks in 
> the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or 
> at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time 
> there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having 
> sufficient bandwidth from my house.
>
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing 
> those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment 
> or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
>
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net 
> will die.? Sigh.
>
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
>
> mjb.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers 
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ktisdale at ix.netcom.com
>
>
-- 
Ken Tisdale
303-807-5488


From andrew.heaton at att.net  Sat Apr 11 11:23:41 2020
From: andrew.heaton at att.net (Andrew.)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:23:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
In-Reply-To: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
References: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <EA671D49-3839-4577-BF76-0458EB3DCB15@att.net>

Mark
Thanks for all you do and I hope you can keep doing it for a long time don?t worry about turning 66. on April 6 I turned 70 still going strong and plan on doing it for a long time  I?ve been been involved with Tigers since my brother bought one new in 1965
Thanks again 
Andrew Heaton 
San Diego

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 6:08 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?April 11th.  As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.  I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that.  I took over  from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.  Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.  Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.  Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was employed.  When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I make other arrangements.  So I went about getting a network connection at home.  Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.  And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.  Hardware has improved since then.  And that money didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great response.  Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.  And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to them.   I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do continue to contribute to the cause.  Now a few clicks in Paypal can take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things are different now.  And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.  But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left.  April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever.  And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die.  Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
> 
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/andrew.heaton at att.net
> 
> 


From andrew.heaton at att.net  Sat Apr 11 11:23:41 2020
From: andrew.heaton at att.net (Andrew.)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:23:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
In-Reply-To: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
References: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <EA671D49-3839-4577-BF76-0458EB3DCB15@att.net>

Mark
Thanks for all you do and I hope you can keep doing it for a long time don?t worry about turning 66. on April 6 I turned 70 still going strong and plan on doing it for a long time  I?ve been been involved with Tigers since my brother bought one new in 1965
Thanks again 
Andrew Heaton 
San Diego

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 6:08 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?April 11th.  As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.  I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that.  I took over  from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.  Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.  Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.  Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was employed.  When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I make other arrangements.  So I went about getting a network connection at home.  Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.  And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.  Hardware has improved since then.  And that money didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great response.  Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.  And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to them.   I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do continue to contribute to the cause.  Now a few clicks in Paypal can take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things are different now.  And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.  But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left.  April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever.  And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die.  Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
> 
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> 
> 


From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 11 11:50:08 2020
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:50:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
In-Reply-To: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
References: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hb8uUYHfJBYGnF3PZeHOCA8YrbvYvGG1rCyZj-oCkxM7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, thanks for all you do.  At 66, you still have a long way to go.  I'm
78 and my one-owner (that's me) Tiger and I are still on the road.  Happy
BD MJB and Team.net.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> April 11th.  As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.  I have been
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a
> while before that.  I took over  from Jim Muller, who took over from
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.  Actually
> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.  Every now and
> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
> see if I can still read any of those tapes.  Maybe someday.
>
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at
> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
> employed.  When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I
> make other arrangements.  So I went about getting a network connection
> at home.  Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.  And as I recall,
> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.  Hardware
> has improved since then.  And that money didn't all come out of my
> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
> response.  Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank
> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
> missed a few.  And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover
> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
>
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
> them.   I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
> continue to contribute to the cause.  Now a few clicks in Paypal can
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
> are different now.  And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those
> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
>
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
> have left.  April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
> certainly won't live forever.  And I fear that when I die, Team Net will
> die.  Sigh.
>
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
>
> mjb.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 11 12:16:33 2020
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:16:33 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0hb8uUYHfJBYGnF3PZeHOCA8YrbvYvGG1rCyZj-oCkxM7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd@bradakis.com>
 <CAMRx0hb8uUYHfJBYGnF3PZeHOCA8YrbvYvGG1rCyZj-oCkxM7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F6B6886-AF3C-4A1E-93AE-E9E34B5176EB@yahoo.com>

Thank you for all you do! Much appreciated.
Jim

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Will Seay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Mark, thanks for all you do.  At 66, you still have a long way to go.  I'm 78 and my one-owner (that's me) Tiger and I are still on the road.  Happy BD MJB and Team.net <http://team.net/>.
> 
> Will - 382001570 
> Tigers at embarqmail.com <mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com>
> 
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> April 11th.  As many of you know, the domain team.net <http://team.net/> was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.  I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net <http://autox.team.net/> since then, actually for a 
> while before that.  I took over  from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.  Actually 
> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.  Every now and 
> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
> see if I can still read any of those tapes.  Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.  When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
> make other arrangements.  So I went about getting a network connection 
> at home.  Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.  And as I recall, 
> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.  Hardware 
> has improved since then.  And that money didn't all come out of my 
> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
> response.  Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I 
> missed a few.  And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.   I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.  Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.  And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.  
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.  April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.  And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
> die.  Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 13:21:51 2020
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:21:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Interior Question
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfkntnPBzFCKXKkY25uFwOt+PvV+pwJwjfF5en1_Q-T0zg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm installing an interior kit and I'm laying out all of the pieces to see
how they go together.   I have a question about this area I marked in blue.
[image: image.png]
The vinyl covered panel that snaps in place over the wheel well hump
doesn't have enough vinyl to cover the area over to the pinch weld.  There
are a couple of holes in this area that makes it look like there is a piece
of trim that goes here but I can't find anything in my stash that looks
like it would go here.  Does anybody have the answer?  Can somebody send me
a photo of how this area looks in their car?

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 15:00:45 2020
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:00:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Interior Question
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfkntnPBzFCKXKkY25uFwOt+PvV+pwJwjfF5en1_Q-T0zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfkntnPBzFCKXKkY25uFwOt+PvV+pwJwjfF5en1_Q-T0zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfmN4xDi_k=Hss4rSOd61D8zvSJ5P_ZTpzF4RZhNUFnSyA@mail.gmail.com>

After getting photos from a couple of you I was able to recognize the part
and found them in another box.
[image: image.png]
Thanks for everybody's help.  Now if I can just find the kick panels.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 2:21 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm installing an interior kit and I'm laying out all of the pieces to see
> how they go together.   I have a question about this area I marked in blue.
> [image: image.png]
> The vinyl covered panel that snaps in place over the wheel well hump
> doesn't have enough vinyl to cover the area over to the pinch weld.  There
> are a couple of holes in this area that makes it look like there is a piece
> of trim that goes here but I can't find anything in my stash that looks
> like it would go here.  Does anybody have the answer?  Can somebody send me
> a photo of how this area looks in their car?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Apr 12 08:31:32 2020
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:31:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14824.1586621986.2964.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.14824.1586621986.2964.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <5D4AF884-CE3E-4F26-BD4A-C2D9F712AF89@aol.com>

Hello,
Jim Armstrong here. I have a Marc one a number 2083. When I got the car it was 10 years old. It had a 5 inch servo on it when I got it, I found a 7 inch servo had it rebuilt and installed it. What I?m asking is, when was the servo surrounding steadying strap Deleted or was it always on cars that had the 7 inch servo?

Sent from my iPhone

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>   1. Old footage with a little Ken Miles (Jim B)
>   2. Birthday (Mark J Bradakis)
>   3. Re: Birthday (Dr. T. Y. McDowell)
>   4. Re: Birthday (Michael Wood)
>   5. Re: Birthday (Derrick Schmidt)
> 
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:14:56 -0700
> From: Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com>
> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Old footage with a little Ken Miles
> Message-ID: <66BF24DA-04F6-46C3-A7E3-51E1B281FA7E at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I?d forgotten about this show. Brings back memories!
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> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:08:33 -0600
> From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> Message-ID: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd at bradakis.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a 
> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually 
> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and 
> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection 
> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, 
> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware 
> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my 
> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
> die.? Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" <tym2 at comcast.net>
> To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers
>    <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
> Message-ID: <267395490.350696.1586616435328 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Happy Birthday!
> Thanks for the history lesson and for all that you do.  I had no idea!
> 
> Tym McDowell
>> On April 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
>> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
>> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a 
>> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
>> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually 
>> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and 
>> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
>> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
>> 
>> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
>> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
>> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
>> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
>> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection 
>> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, 
>> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
>> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
>> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware 
>> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my 
>> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
>> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
>> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I 
>> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
>> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
>> 
>> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
>> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
>> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
>> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
>> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
>> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
>> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
>> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
>> 
>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
>> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
>> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
>> die.? Sigh.
>> 
>> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
>> 
>> mjb.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:28:58 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
> To: mark at bradakis.com, tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
> Message-ID: <827156522.2729682.1586618938965 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 
> Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> 
> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a 
> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually 
> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and 
> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection 
> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, 
> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware 
> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my 
> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
> die.? Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:19:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Derrick Schmidt <lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com>
> To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>,  <mark at bradakis.com>,
>    <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
> Message-ID: <1185813314.4184375.1586621974465 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Very much appreciated by all!!!
> Derrick
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:33 AM, Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> 
> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a 
> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually 
> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and 
> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to 
> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at 
> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I 
> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection 
> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, 
> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely 
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware 
> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my 
> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great 
> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank 
> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover 
> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? 
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those 
> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or 
> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will 
> die.? Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Sun Apr 12 10:15:40 2020
From: twotigers at verizon.net (twotigers at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:15:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,
In-Reply-To: <5D4AF884-CE3E-4F26-BD4A-C2D9F712AF89@aol.com>
References: <mailman.14824.1586621986.2964.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <001001d610e5$9cd24730$d676d590$@verizon.net>

Jim, only the 5 inch servo had the strap.  

Kirk

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:32 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,

Hello,
Jim Armstrong here. I have a Marc one a number 2083. When I got the car it was 10 years old. It had a 5 inch servo on it when I got it, I found a 7 inch servo had it rebuilt and installed it. What I?m asking is, when was the servo surrounding steadying strap Deleted or was it always on cars that had the 7 inch servo?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Old footage with a little Ken Miles (Jim B)
>   2. Birthday (Mark J Bradakis)
>   3. Re: Birthday (Dr. T. Y. McDowell)
>   4. Re: Birthday (Michael Wood)
>   5. Re: Birthday (Derrick Schmidt)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:14:56 -0700
> From: Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com>
> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Old footage with a little Ken Miles
> Message-ID: <66BF24DA-04F6-46C3-A7E3-51E1B281FA7E at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I?d forgotten about this show. Brings back memories!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=7vUmHEeuIKM&feature=e
> mb_logo 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:08:33 -0600
> From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> Message-ID: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd at bradakis.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for 
> a while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? 
> Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? 
> Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX 
> boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers 
> at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested 
> I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network 
> connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And 
> as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with 
> one of the first
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked 
> 100+ closely
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? 
> Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out 
> of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got 
> a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I 
> mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of 
> them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual 
> fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing 
> those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment 
> or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net 
> will die.? Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" <tym2 at comcast.net>
> To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers
>    <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
> Message-ID: <267395490.350696.1586616435328 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Happy Birthday!
> Thanks for the history lesson and for all that you do.  I had no idea!
> 
> Tym McDowell
>> On April 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
>> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
>> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for 
>> a while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over 
>> from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? 
>> Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? 
>> Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX 
>> boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
>> 
>> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers 
>> at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
>> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
>> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly 
>> suggested I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a 
>> network connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or 
>> cheap.? And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an 
>> HP box with one of the first
>> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked 
>> 100+ closely
>> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? 
>> Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out 
>> of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got 
>> a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I 
>> mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of 
>> them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual 
>> fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
>> 
>> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
>> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
>> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
>> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
>> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
>> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing 
>> those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment 
>> or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
>> 
>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
>> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
>> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net 
>> will die.? Sigh.
>> 
>> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
>> 
>> mjb.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers 
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>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:28:58 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
> To: mark at bradakis.com, tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
> Message-ID: <827156522.2729682.1586618938965 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 
> Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> 
> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for 
> a while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? 
> Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? 
> Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX 
> boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers 
> at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested 
> I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network 
> connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And 
> as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with 
> one of the first
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked 
> 100+ closely
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? 
> Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out 
> of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got 
> a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I 
> mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of 
> them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual 
> fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing 
> those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment 
> or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net 
> will die.? Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:19:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Derrick Schmidt <lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com>
> To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>,  <mark at bradakis.com>,
>    <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
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> Very much appreciated by all!!!
> Derrick
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:33 AM, Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> 
> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially 
> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been 
> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for 
> a while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from 
> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? 
> Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? 
> Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX 
> boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> 
> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers 
> at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was 
> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much 
> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested 
> I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network 
> connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And 
> as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with 
> one of the first
> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked 
> 100+ closely
> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? 
> Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out 
> of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got 
> a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I 
> mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of 
> them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual 
> fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> 
> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to 
> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do 
> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can 
> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things 
> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing 
> those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment 
> or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> 
> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I 
> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I 
> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net 
> will die.? Sigh.
> 
> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> tigers at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Sun Apr 12 10:34:42 2020
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:34:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,
In-Reply-To: <5D4AF884-CE3E-4F26-BD4A-C2D9F712AF89@aol.com>
References: <mailman.14824.1586621986.2964.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <5D4AF884-CE3E-4F26-BD4A-C2D9F712AF89@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hYXB8_5TdWO5Hn-T=MNBATHPW0zhmztP7sfnQAxMHpQhw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

As far as I know, the 5" servo always had the mounting strap and the 7"
never had it.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:31 AM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> Jim Armstrong here. I have a Marc one a number 2083. When I got the car it
> was 10 years old. It had a 5 inch servo on it when I got it, I found a 7
> inch servo had it rebuilt and installed it. What I?m asking is, when was
> the servo surrounding steadying strap Deleted or was it always on cars that
> had the 7 inch servo?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> >
> > ?Send Tigers mailing list submissions to
> >    tigers at autox.team.net
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >    http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers
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> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Old footage with a little Ken Miles (Jim B)
> >   2. Birthday (Mark J Bradakis)
> >   3. Re: Birthday (Dr. T. Y. McDowell)
> >   4. Re: Birthday (Michael Wood)
> >   5. Re: Birthday (Derrick Schmidt)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:14:56 -0700
> > From: Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com>
> > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Tigers] Old footage with a little Ken Miles
> > Message-ID: <66BF24DA-04F6-46C3-A7E3-51E1B281FA7E at yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I?d forgotten about this show. Brings back memories!
> >
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=7vUmHEeuIKM&feature=emb_logo
> <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=7vUmHEeuIKM&feature=emb_logo
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:08:33 -0600
> > From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> > Message-ID: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd at bradakis.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >
> > April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
> > registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been
> > managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a
> > while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from
> > Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually
> > I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and
> > then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
> > see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> >
> > Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at
> > the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
> > employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
> > network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I
> > make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection
> > at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall,
> > the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
> > 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely
> > with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware
> > has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my
> > pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
> > response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank
> > you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
> > missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover
> > the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> >
> > So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
> > them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
> > continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can
> > take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
> > are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
> > But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those
> > spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
> > education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> >
> > I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
> > have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
> > certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will
> > die.? Sigh.
> >
> > But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> >
> > mjb.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" <tym2 at comcast.net>
> > To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers
> >    <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
> > Message-ID: <267395490.350696.1586616435328 at connect.xfinity.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Happy Birthday!
> > Thanks for the history lesson and for all that you do.  I had no idea!
> >
> > Tym McDowell
> >> On April 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
> >> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been
> >> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for
> a
> >> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from
> >> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.?
> Actually
> >> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now
> and
> >> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
> >> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> >>
> >> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers
> at
> >> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
> >> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
> >> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested
> I
> >> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection
> >> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall,
> >> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
> >> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked
> closely
> >> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware
> >> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my
> >> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
> >> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a
> thank
> >> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
> >> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to
> cover
> >> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> >>
> >> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
> >> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
> >> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can
> >> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
> >> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
> >> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing
> those
> >> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
> >> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> >>
> >> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
> >> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
> >> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net
> will
> >> die.? Sigh.
> >>
> >> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> >>
> >> mjb.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> tigers at autox.team.net
> >>
> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
> http://autox.team.net/archive
> >>
> >> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:28:58 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
> > To: mark at bradakis.com, tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
> > Message-ID: <827156522.2729682.1586618938965 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
> > Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> >
> > April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
> > registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been
> > managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a
> > while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from
> > Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually
> > I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and
> > then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
> > see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> >
> > Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at
> > the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
> > employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
> > network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I
> > make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection
> > at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall,
> > the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
> > 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely
> > with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware
> > has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my
> > pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
> > response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank
> > you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
> > missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover
> > the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> >
> > So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
> > them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
> > continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can
> > take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
> > are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
> > But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those
> > spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
> > education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> >
> > I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
> > have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
> > certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will
> > die.? Sigh.
> >
> > But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> >
> > mjb.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:19:34 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Derrick Schmidt <lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>,  <mark at bradakis.com>,
> >    <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
> > Message-ID: <1185813314.4184375.1586621974465 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> > Very much appreciated by all!!!
> > Derrick
> >
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:33 AM, Michael Wood via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
> > Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
> >
> > April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
> > registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been
> > managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a
> > while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from
> > Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually
> > I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and
> > then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
> > see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
> >
> > Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at
> > the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
> > employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
> > network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I
> > make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection
> > at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall,
> > the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
> > 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely
> > with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware
> > has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my
> > pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
> > response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank
> > you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
> > missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover
> > the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
> >
> > So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
> > them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
> > continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can
> > take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
> > are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
> > But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those
> > spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
> > education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
> >
> > I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
> > have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
> > certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will
> > die.? Sigh.
> >
> > But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
> >
> > mjb.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Apr 12 12:47:50 2020
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:47:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14967.1586709321.2964.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.14967.1586709321.2964.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <9679DCA6-35BA-4E9E-9BCA-86830C9CF655@aol.com>

Thanks to all for answering my question on the steadying strap for the 7 inch servo.  Apparently the 7 inch servos never had the strap.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:40 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:
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>   1. Re: Tigers Digest, (Will Seay)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:34:42 -0400
> From: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com>
> To: JAMES ARMSTRONG <rollright at aol.com>
> Cc: Tiger Server <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,
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> Jim,
> 
> As far as I know, the 5" servo always had the mounting strap and the 7"
> never had it.
> 
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:31 AM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Jim Armstrong here. I have a Marc one a number 2083. When I got the car it
>> was 10 years old. It had a 5 inch servo on it when I got it, I found a 7
>> inch servo had it rebuilt and installed it. What I?m asking is, when was
>> the servo surrounding steadying strap Deleted or was it always on cars that
>> had the 7 inch servo?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>  1. Old footage with a little Ken Miles (Jim B)
>>>  2. Birthday (Mark J Bradakis)
>>>  3. Re: Birthday (Dr. T. Y. McDowell)
>>>  4. Re: Birthday (Michael Wood)
>>>  5. Re: Birthday (Derrick Schmidt)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:14:56 -0700
>>> From: Jim B <jbsyv at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Tigers] Old footage with a little Ken Miles
>>> Message-ID: <66BF24DA-04F6-46C3-A7E3-51E1B281FA7E at yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> 
>>> I?d forgotten about this show. Brings back memories!
>>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=7vUmHEeuIKM&feature=emb_logo
>> <
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=7vUmHEeuIKM&feature=emb_logo
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:08:33 -0600
>>> From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
>>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
>>> Message-ID: <8dc0a520-ef23-f11c-a4c6-c1fd2144d4bd at bradakis.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
>>> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been
>>> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a
>>> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from
>>> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually
>>> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and
>>> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
>>> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at
>>> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
>>> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
>>> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I
>>> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection
>>> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall,
>>> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
>>> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely
>>> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware
>>> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my
>>> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
>>> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank
>>> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
>>> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover
>>> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
>>> 
>>> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
>>> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
>>> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can
>>> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
>>> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
>>> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those
>>> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
>>> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
>>> 
>>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
>>> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
>>> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will
>>> die.? Sigh.
>>> 
>>> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
>>> 
>>> mjb.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" <tym2 at comcast.net>
>>> To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers
>>>   <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
>>> Message-ID: <267395490.350696.1586616435328 at connect.xfinity.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> Happy Birthday!
>>> Thanks for the history lesson and for all that you do.  I had no idea!
>>> 
>>> Tym McDowell
>>>> On April 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
>>>> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been
>>>> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for
>> a
>>>> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from
>>>> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.?
>> Actually
>>>> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now
>> and
>>>> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
>>>> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers
>> at
>>>> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
>>>> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
>>>> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested
>> I
>>>> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection
>>>> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall,
>>>> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
>>>> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked
>> closely
>>>> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware
>>>> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my
>>>> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
>>>> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a
>> thank
>>>> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
>>>> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to
>> cover
>>>> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
>>>> 
>>>> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
>>>> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
>>>> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can
>>>> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
>>>> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
>>>> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing
>> those
>>>> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
>>>> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
>>>> 
>>>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
>>>> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
>>>> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net
>> will
>>>> die.? Sigh.
>>>> 
>>>> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
>>>> 
>>>> mjb.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> 
>>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>>> 
>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:28:58 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>
>>> To: mark at bradakis.com, tigers at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
>>> Message-ID: <827156522.2729682.1586618938965 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
>>> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
>>> 
>>> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
>>> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been
>>> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a
>>> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from
>>> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually
>>> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and
>>> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
>>> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at
>>> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
>>> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
>>> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I
>>> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection
>>> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall,
>>> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
>>> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely
>>> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware
>>> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my
>>> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
>>> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank
>>> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
>>> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover
>>> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
>>> 
>>> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
>>> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
>>> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can
>>> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
>>> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
>>> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those
>>> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
>>> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
>>> 
>>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
>>> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
>>> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will
>>> die.? Sigh.
>>> 
>>> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
>>> 
>>> mjb.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>> 
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:19:34 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Derrick Schmidt <lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com>,  <mark at bradakis.com>,
>>>   <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Birthday
>>> Message-ID: <1185813314.4184375.1586621974465 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> 
>>> Very much appreciated by all!!!
>>> Derrick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:33 AM, Michael Wood via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your diligence and hard work, Mark :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am
>>> Subject: [Tigers] Birthday
>>> 
>>> April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially
>>> registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been
>>> managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a
>>> while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from
>>> Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually
>>> I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and
>>> then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to
>>> see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at
>>> the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was
>>> employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much
>>> network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I
>>> make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection
>>> at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall,
>>> the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first
>>> 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely
>>> with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware
>>> has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my
>>> pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great
>>> response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank
>>> you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I
>>> missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover
>>> the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house.
>>> 
>>> So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to
>>> them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do
>>> continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can
>>> take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things
>>> are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.?
>>> But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those
>>> spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or
>>> education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads.
>>> 
>>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I
>>> have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I
>>> certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will
>>> die.? Sigh.
>>> 
>>> But for now, enjoy and stay healthy.
>>> 
>>> mjb.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>> 
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 09:55:01 2020
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:55:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Plug wire set
Message-ID: <CACQC2nVpfSNtYrYPAh1EPGu=LKhW9hdQkKMz9n3GO2r+PGhuHw@mail.gmail.com>

Where can I expect to find a set of wires that I can finish up the lengths
myself. Did it the first time ,its time to do it again I think. I need both
straight an 45% ends for plugs because of headers. Beau
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 14:41:11 2020
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:41:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
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Hello all,


There was an E-bay ad within the last few years for the little sticker that goes on a Sunbeam jack.
Anybody got some, or can you point me in the right direction? I should have bought two (or at least one) and of course didn't.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 14:42:43 2020
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:42:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] sticker for Sunbeam jack
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Hello all,


There was an E-bay ad within the last few years for the little sticker that goes on a Sunbeam jack.
Anybody got some, or can you point me in the right direction? I should have bought two (or at least one) and of course didn't.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From wjtwgoodman at aol.com  Wed Apr 22 16:18:25 2020
From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:18:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7
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Sean in Oregon I have his address . He also does some nice oil hoses in addition to the stickers. I will respond to Jim but if anyone else needs his email let me know.
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Hello all,


There was an E-bay ad within the last few years for the little sticker that goes on a Sunbeam jack.
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Hello all,


There was an E-bay ad within the last few years for the little sticker that goes on a Sunbeam jack.
Anybody got some, or can you point me in the right direction? I should have bought two (or at least one) and of course didn't.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 24 09:14:19 2020
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:14:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8
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 I would like his email as well. Also, please define location on jack for proper application.

Thanks
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Sean in Oregon I have his address . He also does some nice oil hoses in addition to the stickers. I will respond to Jim but if anyone else needs his email let me know.
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Hello all,


There was an E-bay ad within the last few years for the little sticker that goes on a Sunbeam jack.
Anybody got some, or can you point me in the right direction? I should have bought two (or at least one) and of course didn't.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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Hello all,


There was an E-bay ad within the last few years for the little sticker that goes on a Sunbeam jack.
Anybody got some, or can you point me in the right direction? I should have bought two (or at least one) and of course didn't.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 26 17:17:21 2020
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 23:17:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
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I hope you are all well and safe.
I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.? The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.? Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.? I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.
In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).? So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated.
I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.There is enough erroneous data out there already.Cheers,Brian
Brian Glenn
 P.O. Box 578
 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
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 B9471101LRXFE 
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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 26 17:51:34 2020
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:51:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Don's clock  Tiger MkI clocks
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I don?t know if this is useful, but here are photos of the clock? that I had with my Tiger stuff. Can?t assure you it is the original clock, so please take this as info intended to help.

I did not see any ?Model Number?. If you tell me where to look I?ll check again.

 

Don Antilla 

Southbury, CT

 

 

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Date: Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 7:17 PM
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Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

I hope you are all well and safe.

 

I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.  The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.  Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.  I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.

 

In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).  So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated.

 

I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.

There is enough erroneous data out there already.

Cheers,

Brian

 

Brian Glenn
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Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sun Apr 26 18:14:20 2020
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 20:14:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
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I have never seen a 3030/00.? I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.? 1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased? a couple of 3131/01.? SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.? What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.? The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 4/26/20  7:17 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks I hope you are all well and safe.I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.? The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.? Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.? I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).? So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciatedI try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.There is enough erroneous data out there already.Cheers,BrianBrian Glenn P.O. Box 578 Julian, CA 92036-0578 714.345.9883  B9470208LRXFE GT B9471101LRXFE  B9472615LRXFE  B382000846LRXFE  B382001212LRXFE
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 26 19:19:00 2020
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 01:19:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 10
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 Here is a article I found helpful.

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I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.? The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.? Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.? I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.
In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).? So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated.
I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.There is enough erroneous data out there already.Cheers,Brian
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From packertl3 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 26 20:24:17 2020
From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 02:24:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clock Identification
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 This is not of importance to the identification of proper Tiger clocks. But for the sake of completeness and accuracy regarding the excellent article, I have a 2194-08 which is not top adjustment. It is bottom adjustment and so looks like the 2194-09 pictured. Maybe it was assembled during the transition from one style to another? In any case, it appears versions of 2194-08 clocks can exist with either adjustment arrangement. 

Terry Packer
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I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.? The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.? Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.? I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.
In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).? So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated.
I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.There is enough erroneous data out there already.Cheers,Brian
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:20:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
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I?m of no help but, I always enjoy your articles Brian.
Cheers,
Jim

> On Apr 26, 2020, at 5:14 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I have never seen a 3030/00.  I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.  1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased  a couple of 3131/01.  SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.  What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.  The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: 4/26/20 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
> 
> I hope you are all well and safe.
> 
> I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.  The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.  Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.  I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.
> 
> In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).  So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated
> 
> I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.
> There is enough erroneous data out there already.
> Cheers,
> Brian
> 
> Brian Glenn
> P.O. Box 578
> Julian, CA 92036-0578
> 714.345.9883
> 
> B9470208LRXFE GT
> B9471101LRXFE 
> B9472615LRXFE 
> B382000846LRXFE 
> B382001212LRXFE
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Apr 27 08:52:28 2020
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:52:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clock Identification
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If you have a different variant of a Smiths clock , I say post a picture or at least sent a picture to Brian, it could be important.

This is Automotive Archaeology; little hints and clues can lead to great discoveries, maybe even the truth.

We all have to remember that unless we are the original owner of our Tiger and know for sure, the clock could have been sourced from many places including from other British cars.

 

I have a CE 3131/01 clock in my Mk IA.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Terry Packer via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:24 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; jmartiniii at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clock Identification

 

This is not of importance to the identification of proper Tiger clocks. But for the sake of completeness and accuracy regarding the excellent article, I have a 2194-08 which is not top adjustment. It is bottom adjustment and so looks like the 2194-09 pictured. Maybe it was assembled during the transition from one style to another? In any case, it appears versions of 2194-08 clocks can exist with either adjustment arrangement. 

 

Terry Packer

 

******************************************

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 6:22:53 PM PDT, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Here is a article I found helpful.

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I hope you are all well and safe.

 

I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.  The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.  Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.  I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.

 

In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).  So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated.

 

I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.

There is enough erroneous data out there already.

Cheers,

Brian

 

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Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Apr 27 10:07:05 2020
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:07:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clock Identification
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I have attached a picture of 3131/00 and 3131/01.? Both are new and the number is visible on the clock face.? 00 has the letters sideways and 01 are up and down.? I believe the 3030/00 might be a typo on someone's part.? I don't know where the SAOCA or Norm got their data, but it would be nice for them to chime in with a picture of the part number on the clock 3030/00 if it exists.? Rootes only lists one part number for the Tiger in both the MKI and MKII parts book.? Could be Smiths changed parts and Rootes didn't change the number.? Nisonger shows 3131/01 for Alpine V and all Tigers.? The Rootes part number in the Nisonger catalog is different then the one in the Rootes parts book.? I have sent all this data plus other stuff to Brian.? Totally confused.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 4/27/20  10:52 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clock Identification If you have a different variant of a Smiths clock , I say post a picture or at least sent a picture to Brian, it could be important.This is Automotive Archaeology; little hints and clues can lead to great discoveries, maybe even the truth. We all have to remember that unless we are the original owner of our Tiger and know for sure, the clock could have been sourced from many places including from other British cars.?I have a CE 3131/01 clock in my Mk IA.?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Terry Packer via TigersSent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:24 PMTo: tigers at autox.team.net; jmartiniii at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clock Identification?This is not of importance to the identification of proper Tiger clocks. But for the sake of completeness and accuracy regarding the excellent article, I have a 2194-08 which is not top adjustment. It is bottom adjustment and so looks like the 2194-09 pictured. Maybe it was assembled during the transition from one style to another? In any case, it appears versions of 2194-08 clocks can exist with either adjustment arrangement. ?Terry Packer?******************************************?On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 6:22:53 PM PDT, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: ??Here is a article I found helpful.Joel MartinOn Sunday, April 26, 2020, 07:25:01 PM EDT, <tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote: ??Send Tigers mailing list submissions to??? tigers at autox.team.net?To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to??? tigers-request at autox.team.net?You can reach the person managing the list at??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net?When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."Today's Topics:? 1. Tiger MkI clocks (Brian Glenn)I hope you are all well and safe.?I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.? The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.? Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.? I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.?In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).? So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated.?I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.There is enough erroneous data out there already.Cheers,Brian?Brian GlennP.O. Box 578Julian, CA 92036-0578714.345.9883B9470208LRXFE GTB9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE_______________________________________________Tigers mailing listTigers at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/packertl3 at yahoo.com
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Apr 27 14:39:08 2020
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
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Jim

                I see where the 1229322 is listed as Electric Clock Kit; whereas the other Rootes Clock numbers are listed as Electric Clock.  A small difference but maybe an important difference.

 

I don?t know if the wording makes a difference or if maybe the 1229322 part # may have a Chrysler Pentagon on the packaging.

Small differences should not be ruled out.

 

My 2 cents

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com>; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

I have never seen a 3030/00.  I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.  1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased  a couple of 3131/01.  SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.  What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.  The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 4/26/20 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks 

 

I hope you are all well and safe.

 

I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.  The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.  Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.  I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.

 

In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).  So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated

 

I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.

There is enough erroneous data out there already.

Cheers,

Brian

 

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE 
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B382000846LRXFE 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Apr 27 15:21:31 2020
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
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Ron,Clocks purchased as a kit would explain the discrepancy in the part numbers in the different listings.? I've seen many ammeter kits that include wiring, I would assume the clock kit would include wiring too.??The 1229322 part number was in the Rootes parts list 6601131 for the MKI, but I have the 2nd printing.? Chrysler could have had an influence by then.? I wonder what the 1st printing listed.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 4/27/20  4:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks Jim??????????????? I see where the 1229322 is listed as Electric Clock Kit; whereas the other Rootes Clock numbers are listed as Electric Clock.? A small difference but maybe an important difference.?I don?t know if the wording makes a difference or if maybe the 1229322 part # may have a Chrysler Pentagon on the packaging.Small differences should not be ruled out.?My 2 centsRon Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:14 PMTo: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com>; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks?I have never seen a 3030/00.? I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.? 1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased? a couple of 3131/01.? SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.? What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.? The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.??-------- Original message --------From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 4/26/20 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks ?I hope you are all well and safe.?I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.? The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.? Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.? I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.?In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).? So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated?I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.There is enough erroneous data out there already.Cheers,Brian?Brian GlennP.O. Box 578Julian, CA 92036-0578714.345.9883B9470208LRXFE GTB9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Apr 27 15:21:31 2020
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
In-Reply-To: <002801d61cd3$e8831430$b9893c90$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.93.1588022500.2961.tigers@autox.team.net>

Ron,Clocks purchased as a kit would explain the discrepancy in the part numbers in the different listings.? I've seen many ammeter kits that include wiring, I would assume the clock kit would include wiring too.??The 1229322 part number was in the Rootes parts list 6601131 for the MKI, but I have the 2nd printing.? Chrysler could have had an influence by then.? I wonder what the 1st printing listed.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 4/27/20  4:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks Jim??????????????? I see where the 1229322 is listed as Electric Clock Kit; whereas the other Rootes Clock numbers are listed as Electric Clock.? A small difference but maybe an important difference.?I don?t know if the wording makes a difference or if maybe the 1229322 part # may have a Chrysler Pentagon on the packaging.Small differences should not be ruled out.?My 2 centsRon Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:14 PMTo: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com>; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks?I have never seen a 3030/00.? I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.? 1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased? a couple of 3131/01.? SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.? What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.? The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.??-------- Original message --------From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 4/26/20 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks ?I hope you are all well and safe.?I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.? The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.? Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.? I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.?In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).? So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated?I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.There is enough erroneous data out there already.Cheers,Brian?Brian GlennP.O. Box 578Julian, CA 92036-0578714.345.9883B9470208LRXFE GTB9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Apr 27 17:14:15 2020
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 19:14:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
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References: <1331084872.435406.1587943041443@mail.yahoo.com>
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Andy

                I?m not up on the clock specifics but you probably need to look close past the edge top and bottom to see if a number is hiding under the chrome.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Andy Walker <awtiger at cox.net> 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:44 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>; 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Hey, Ron, et al:

 

With all this original clock talk, I?m now starting to wonder what clock I have in my Mk1A.  Out of curiosity, I stepped out to my shop and looked at which clock I have.  Mine looks exactly like yours, and it also says ?Made in U.K.? at the bottom of the face but it has no model # (such as CE 3131/01, etc.).   Do you have any idea what I might have here?  BTW? I?m not the original owner of my car so I can?t say with any certainty that this particular clock is original to the car.  

 

Just curious,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

 

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:39 PM
To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >; 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Jim

                I see where the 1229322 is listed as Electric Clock Kit; whereas the other Rootes Clock numbers are listed as Electric Clock.  A small difference but maybe an important difference.

 

I don?t know if the wording makes a difference or if maybe the 1229322 part # may have a Chrysler Pentagon on the packaging.

Small differences should not be ruled out.

 

My 2 cents

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

I have never seen a 3030/00.  I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.  1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased  a couple of 3131/01.  SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.  What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.  The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

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From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 4/26/20 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks 

 

I hope you are all well and safe.

 

I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.  The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.  Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.  I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.

 

In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).  So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated

 

I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.

There is enough erroneous data out there already.

Cheers,

Brian

 

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
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From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Apr 27 18:26:18 2020
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 19:26:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
In-Reply-To: <000b01d61ce9$940d8500$bc288f00$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1331084872.435406.1587943041443@mail.yahoo.com>
 <20200427001935.61029A0286@autox.team.net>
 <002801d61cd3$e8831430$b9893c90$@bluefrog.com>
 <002f01d61cdc$f3586e10$da094a30$@cox.net>
 <000b01d61ce9$940d8500$bc288f00$@bluefrog.com>
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Will do, Ron?I?ll let you know if I can find a number.  Thanks.

 

From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 6:14 PM
To: 'Andy Walker' <awtiger at cox.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Andy

                I?m not up on the clock specifics but you probably need to look close past the edge top and bottom to see if a number is hiding under the chrome.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Andy Walker <awtiger at cox.net <mailto:awtiger at cox.net> > 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:44 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >; 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >; 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Hey, Ron, et al:

 

With all this original clock talk, I?m now starting to wonder what clock I have in my Mk1A.  Out of curiosity, I stepped out to my shop and looked at which clock I have.  Mine looks exactly like yours, and it also says ?Made in U.K.? at the bottom of the face but it has no model # (such as CE 3131/01, etc.).   Do you have any idea what I might have here?  BTW? I?m not the original owner of my car so I can?t say with any certainty that this particular clock is original to the car.  

 

Just curious,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

 

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:39 PM
To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >; 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Jim

                I see where the 1229322 is listed as Electric Clock Kit; whereas the other Rootes Clock numbers are listed as Electric Clock.  A small difference but maybe an important difference.

 

I don?t know if the wording makes a difference or if maybe the 1229322 part # may have a Chrysler Pentagon on the packaging.

Small differences should not be ruled out.

 

My 2 cents

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

I have never seen a 3030/00.  I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.  1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased  a couple of 3131/01.  SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.  What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.  The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 4/26/20 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks 

 

I hope you are all well and safe.

 

I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.  The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.  Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.  I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.

 

In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).  So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated

 

I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.

There is enough erroneous data out there already.

Cheers,

Brian

 

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
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From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Apr 27 15:43:49 2020
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:43:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
In-Reply-To: <002801d61cd3$e8831430$b9893c90$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1331084872.435406.1587943041443@mail.yahoo.com>
 <20200427001935.61029A0286@autox.team.net>
 <002801d61cd3$e8831430$b9893c90$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <002f01d61cdc$f3586e10$da094a30$@cox.net>

Hey, Ron, et al:

 

With all this original clock talk, I?m now starting to wonder what clock I have in my Mk1A.  Out of curiosity, I stepped out to my shop and looked at which clock I have.  Mine looks exactly like yours, and it also says ?Made in U.K.? at the bottom of the face but it has no model # (such as CE 3131/01, etc.).   Do you have any idea what I might have here?  BTW? I?m not the original owner of my car so I can?t say with any certainty that this particular clock is original to the car.  

 

Just curious,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

 

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:39 PM
To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>; 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Jim

                I see where the 1229322 is listed as Electric Clock Kit; whereas the other Rootes Clock numbers are listed as Electric Clock.  A small difference but maybe an important difference.

 

I don?t know if the wording makes a difference or if maybe the 1229322 part # may have a Chrysler Pentagon on the packaging.

Small differences should not be ruled out.

 

My 2 cents

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

I have never seen a 3030/00.  I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.  1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased  a couple of 3131/01.  SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.  What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.  The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 4/26/20 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks 

 

I hope you are all well and safe.

 

I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.  The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.  Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.  I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.

 

In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).  So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated

 

I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.

There is enough erroneous data out there already.

Cheers,

Brian

 

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
B382001212LRXFE

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From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Apr 27 22:13:19 2020
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks
In-Reply-To: <000b01d61ce9$940d8500$bc288f00$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1331084872.435406.1587943041443@mail.yahoo.com>
 <20200427001935.61029A0286@autox.team.net>
 <002801d61cd3$e8831430$b9893c90$@bluefrog.com>
 <002f01d61cdc$f3586e10$da094a30$@cox.net>
 <000b01d61ce9$940d8500$bc288f00$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <001d01d61d13$5c5b74d0$15125e70$@cox.net>

Ron:

 

I just walked back out to the shop and took a closer look at the clock face on my Mk1A.  As it turns out, the model # is printed on the top of the face over the ?12?.  It reads ?CE 3130/00?.  Even though it looks just like yours, the model # is different.  

 

A quick Google search on that model # has this clock coming up as a ?positive earth? clock.  Consequently, I think I?ve answered my own question.  It would appear that the clock has been converted to negative ground at some point and put into my car.  It still has its original movement in it and has worked perfectly for years, at least up until about two months ago when it abruptly stopped working.  I guess I need to remove it and see if I can find the fault.

 

Thanks, Ron, for the prompt on where to look for the number.

 

Thanks,

Andy 

 

From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 6:14 PM
To: 'Andy Walker' <awtiger at cox.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Andy

                I?m not up on the clock specifics but you probably need to look close past the edge top and bottom to see if a number is hiding under the chrome.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Andy Walker <awtiger at cox.net <mailto:awtiger at cox.net> > 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:44 PM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >; 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >; 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Hey, Ron, et al:

 

With all this original clock talk, I?m now starting to wonder what clock I have in my Mk1A.  Out of curiosity, I stepped out to my shop and looked at which clock I have.  Mine looks exactly like yours, and it also says ?Made in U.K.? at the bottom of the face but it has no model # (such as CE 3131/01, etc.).   Do you have any idea what I might have here?  BTW? I?m not the original owner of my car so I can?t say with any certainty that this particular clock is original to the car.  

 

Just curious,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

 

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser via Tigers
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:39 PM
To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net <mailto:jimdamelio at verizon.net> >; 'Brian Glenn' <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <mailto:tigers at Autox.Team.Net> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

Jim

                I see where the 1229322 is listed as Electric Clock Kit; whereas the other Rootes Clock numbers are listed as Electric Clock.  A small difference but maybe an important difference.

 

I don?t know if the wording makes a difference or if maybe the 1229322 part # may have a Chrysler Pentagon on the packaging.

Small differences should not be ruled out.

 

My 2 cents

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com <mailto:ora_archy at yahoo.com> >; Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks

 

I have never seen a 3030/00.  I have owned all the 2194's listed for the Alpine.  1Years ago I found a new in box 3131/00 and have purchased  a couple of 3131/01.  SAOCA has a listing of Smith's clocks and list 3030/00 also.  What's strange to me is the Rootes parts books I have 6601131 2nd issue (MKI) and 6601334 (MKI & MKII) only list one part # for Tiger clocks 1229322 which isnt listed on the SAOCA site.  The two Rootes special accessories brochures I have, only list the same Rootes part # 1229322.

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 4/26/20 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Tigers Den <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MkI clocks 

 

I hope you are all well and safe.

 

I'm putting together an article for CAT Tiger Tales and am having difficulty sorting out the correct MkI model Smiths clock.  The BON lists a 3030/00 as the appropriate model and what research I've located supports this.  Trouble is I can't seem to find a photo of sufficient detail where I can read the model number.  I'd greatly appreciate pictures of the 3030/00 models where the model number is visible.

 

In addition, the only photo I did find with all the assigned attributes (sideways 3 & 9, red hands, adjustments at 4 & 8, Smiths logo below the clock center) is on a Smiths model CE3131/00 (see attached).  So any group knowledge with references would be much appreciated

 

I try to make these articles as accurate as the data allows.

There is enough erroneous data out there already.

Cheers,

Brian

 

Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883

B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE 
B9472615LRXFE 
B382000846LRXFE 
B382001212LRXFE

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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr 27 22:56:17 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:56:17 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Quick note on archives
Message-ID: <d5adf831-4fa4-5493-45ba-740d3a92d8f9@bradakis.com>

For a while now the search function in the mharc archives has been 
broken.? It has been ignoring any emails added in the last few years.? 
I'm working on that, have it mostly fixed, getting ancient perl scripts 
and such to work with current versions of software can be troublesome. 
 ?? Back in my sys admin days when I was doing perl on a daily basis, 
stuff like this:

$uri =~ s/%%/\34/g;
$uri =~ s/%{?([a-z]+)}?/$param{$1}/g;
$uri =~ s/\34/%/g;

was easy to read, like See Spot.? See Spot run.? Run, Spot, run! 
Nowadays, not so much.

Anyway, when using http://autox.team.net/archive the search function 
should now return more recent results.

mjb.



From lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 27 22:58:51 2020
From: lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com (Derrick Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 04:58:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Quick note on archives
In-Reply-To: <d5adf831-4fa4-5493-45ba-740d3a92d8f9@bradakis.com>
References: <d5adf831-4fa4-5493-45ba-740d3a92d8f9@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1201429485.1373103.1588049931104@mail.yahoo.com>

You da man!
Derrick


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, April 27, 2020, 9:56 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

For a while now the search function in the mharc archives has been 
broken.? It has been ignoring any emails added in the last few years.? 
I'm working on that, have it mostly fixed, getting ancient perl scripts 
and such to work with current versions of software can be troublesome. 
 ?? Back in my sys admin days when I was doing perl on a daily basis, 
stuff like this:

$uri =~ s/%%/\34/g;
$uri =~ s/%{?([a-z]+)}?/$param{$1}/g;
$uri =~ s/\34/%/g;

was easy to read, like See Spot.? See Spot run.? Run, Spot, run! 
Nowadays, not so much.

Anyway, when using http://autox.team.net/archive the search function 
should now return more recent results.

mjb.


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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 27 23:18:44 2020
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:18:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clocks and Clock Motifs
References: <238002897.928786.1588051124899.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <238002897.928786.1588051124899@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks all for your input regarding my upcoming clocks CAT Tiger Tales article.Though not completely locked, I believe it presents a coherent reporting of the data available.I've submitted it for review to those who know more about Tigers than I ever will.It should be in the upcoming 5/6-20 Tiger Tales.Be safe, stay healthy.
Brian Glenn
 P.O. Box 578
 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
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 B9471101LRXFE 
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From rollright at aol.com  Wed Apr 29 13:12:50 2020
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:12:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
References: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one unobtainium piece is the plug wrenchPart # 1124751.Was it ever used by any other car?Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 13:19:38 2020
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:19:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
In-Reply-To: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z7L6QOTsrCF3VmOv6TdDtCmKENV-Wpf_N_4Y4Cgg1OZCg@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.ebay.com/i/201321912762?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=201321912762&targetid=883069117886&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031178&poi=&campaignid=9426387489&mkgroupid=95112702865&rlsatarget=aud-412677883135:pla-883069117886&abcId=1140476&merchantid=6365194&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy6T1BRDXARIsAIqCTXpgaQh8eVk5uv8YU-UFusfGsdI1WzKLY3BtMwslvi730a4qTfcOvlUaAlGHEALw_wcB




On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 13:20:35 2020
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:20:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z7L6QOTsrCF3VmOv6TdDtCmKENV-Wpf_N_4Y4Cgg1OZCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAAjp1z7L6QOTsrCF3VmOv6TdDtCmKENV-Wpf_N_4Y4Cgg1OZCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z4F=c8awX6qcaRaFa9rGVJtB6P0zJCfw83zoL+gW99sHw@mail.gmail.com>

Whoops.  My mistake.  I misread what tool you are looking for.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/i/201321912762?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=201321912762&targetid=883069117886&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031178&poi=&campaignid=9426387489&mkgroupid=95112702865&rlsatarget=aud-412677883135:pla-883069117886&abcId=1140476&merchantid=6365194&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy6T1BRDXARIsAIqCTXpgaQh8eVk5uv8YU-UFusfGsdI1WzKLY3BtMwslvi730a4qTfcOvlUaAlGHEALw_wcB
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
>> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
>> Part # 1124751.
>> Was it ever used by any other car?
>> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>>
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC #....
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 14:42:31 2020
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:42:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
In-Reply-To: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z43p+BbwQ2u-s_qm4UsOZv17kNmkL4db0G59f-3msCsAg@mail.gmail.com>

According to the TEAE site, it was unique to Tigers.
https://teae.org/tiger-tools-field-guide/

I tried to go to Tigersunited.com to see what it said.  But I couldn't get
to it.  I emailed Theo to see what he knows.  Since I pay for that site
every year, I sure hope it's still out there!

Jay

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Wed Apr 29 15:22:46 2020
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
In-Reply-To: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hZbGb+kks7y4j0B0+ac1E7NPrJTu7CvGo2p=aLtAN-oDA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
I don't know of any other car that used this tool.  The socket and plug
handle are made by Britool.  There is a current ebay listing of a tool kit
which contains the Britool handle and socket:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Tiger-tool-kit-jack-handle-Clips/303547930277?hash=item46acddd6a5:g:JpEAAOSwzOleoMRS
 Listing
describes them as Britool spark plug handle - A61 "Britool made in
England"and Britool # ADH 812 "Made in England" socket.  The finish on the
ebay parts is incorrect, being a natural finish rather than the correct
black finish, but I'm sure they could be refinished to look as OEM.  I have
heard that someone made a plastic (!!) repro of the tool.  Maybe someone
knows who did it (CAT, maybe?).

While we're on the subject of tool kits, does anyone know if someone makes
a good repro of the original vinyl pouch for the kit.  I have seen quite a
few repros of the original, most are nicer than the original (not hard to
do - the original was pretty cheesy), but none was a good match
of the original.  A local family of mice managed to munch their way through
mine so I'm looking for a replacement.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:12 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 15:43:38 2020
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:43:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
In-Reply-To: <CAMRx0hZbGb+kks7y4j0B0+ac1E7NPrJTu7CvGo2p=aLtAN-oDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMRx0hZbGb+kks7y4j0B0+ac1E7NPrJTu7CvGo2p=aLtAN-oDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z4gX94Xb2vBEz0zuEws_os0K_QSz4RPf64_wuz89RORxg@mail.gmail.com>

Here is more detail.  Note info on plastic copy.

https://teae.org/tiger-tools-field-guide/


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:27 PM Will Seay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Jim,
> I don't know of any other car that used this tool.  The socket and plug
> handle are made by Britool.  There is a current ebay listing of a tool kit
> which contains the Britool handle and socket:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Tiger-tool-kit-jack-handle-Clips/303547930277?hash=item46acddd6a5:g:JpEAAOSwzOleoMRS  Listing
> describes them as Britool spark plug handle - A61 "Britool made in
> England"and Britool # ADH 812 "Made in England" socket.  The finish on the
> ebay parts is incorrect, being a natural finish rather than the correct
> black finish, but I'm sure they could be refinished to look as OEM.  I have
> heard that someone made a plastic (!!) repro of the tool.  Maybe someone
> knows who did it (CAT, maybe?).
>
> While we're on the subject of tool kits, does anyone know if someone makes
> a good repro of the original vinyl pouch for the kit.  I have seen quite a
> few repros of the original, most are nicer than the original (not hard to
> do - the original was pretty cheesy), but none was a good match
> of the original.  A local family of mice managed to munch their way through
> mine so I'm looking for a replacement.
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:12 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
>> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
>> Part # 1124751.
>> Was it ever used by any other car?
>> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>>
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC #....
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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>>
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>
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From wjtwgoodman at aol.com  Wed Apr 29 16:25:35 2020
From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:25:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19
References: <882403159.2490835.1588199135578.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <882403159.2490835.1588199135578@mail.yahoo.com>


A pretend one is reproduced in a plastic and looks the part till you pick it up. Ask Bill Rogers . 
I had to buy a whole car to get a real one ?.
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? 1. Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (James Armstrong)
? 2. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)
? 3. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)
? 4. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)
? 5. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Will Seay)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:12:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
Message-ID: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello,

Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one unobtainium piece is the plug wrenchPart # 1124751.Was it ever used by any other car?Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:19:38 -0700
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
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https://www.ebay.com/i/201321912762?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=201321912762&targetid=883069117886&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031178&poi=&campaignid=9426387489&mkgroupid=95112702865&rlsatarget=aud-412677883135:pla-883069117886&abcId=1140476&merchantid=6365194&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy6T1BRDXARIsAIqCTXpgaQh8eVk5uv8YU-UFusfGsdI1WzKLY3BtMwslvi730a4qTfcOvlUaAlGHEALw_wcB




On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:20:35 -0700
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
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Whoops.? My mistake.? I misread what tool you are looking for.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/i/201321912762?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=201321912762&targetid=883069117886&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031178&poi=&campaignid=9426387489&mkgroupid=95112702865&rlsatarget=aud-412677883135:pla-883069117886&abcId=1140476&merchantid=6365194&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy6T1BRDXARIsAIqCTXpgaQh8eVk5uv8YU-UFusfGsdI1WzKLY3BtMwslvi730a4qTfcOvlUaAlGHEALw_wcB
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
>> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
>> Part # 1124751.
>> Was it ever used by any other car?
>> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>>
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC #....
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:42:31 -0700
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
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According to the TEAE site, it was unique to Tigers.
https://teae.org/tiger-tools-field-guide/

I tried to go to Tigersunited.com to see what it said.? But I couldn't get
to it.? I emailed Theo to see what he knows.? Since I pay for that site
every year, I sure hope it's still out there!

Jay

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:22:46 -0400
From: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: Tiger Server <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Jim,
I don't know of any other car that used this tool.? The socket and plug
handle are made by Britool.? There is a current ebay listing of a tool kit
which contains the Britool handle and socket:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Tiger-tool-kit-jack-handle-Clips/303547930277?hash=item46acddd6a5:g:JpEAAOSwzOleoMRS
 Listing
describes them as Britool spark plug handle - A61 "Britool made in
England"and Britool # ADH 812 "Made in England" socket.? The finish on the
ebay parts is incorrect, being a natural finish rather than the correct
black finish, but I'm sure they could be refinished to look as OEM.? I have
heard that someone made a plastic (!!) repro of the tool.? Maybe someone
knows who did it (CAT, maybe?).

While we're on the subject of tool kits, does anyone know if someone makes
a good repro of the original vinyl pouch for the kit.? I have seen quite a
few repros of the original, most are nicer than the original (not hard to
do - the original was pretty cheesy), but none was a good match
of the original.? A local family of mice managed to munch their way through
mine so I'm looking for a replacement.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:12 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From wjtwgoodman at aol.com  Wed Apr 29 16:29:49 2020
From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:29:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19
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One more thing, the seller of that tool kit is Mulvey in your CAT roster. I'd be a shame to pay 22.9% extra in a online transaction. 
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? 2. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)
? 3. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)
? 4. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)
? 5. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Will Seay)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:12:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
Message-ID: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello,

Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one unobtainium piece is the plug wrenchPart # 1124751.Was it ever used by any other car?Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:19:38 -0700
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
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https://www.ebay.com/i/201321912762?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=201321912762&targetid=883069117886&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031178&poi=&campaignid=9426387489&mkgroupid=95112702865&rlsatarget=aud-412677883135:pla-883069117886&abcId=1140476&merchantid=6365194&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy6T1BRDXARIsAIqCTXpgaQh8eVk5uv8YU-UFusfGsdI1WzKLY3BtMwslvi730a4qTfcOvlUaAlGHEALw_wcB




On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:20:35 -0700
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
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Whoops.? My mistake.? I misread what tool you are looking for.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/i/201321912762?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=201321912762&targetid=883069117886&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031178&poi=&campaignid=9426387489&mkgroupid=95112702865&rlsatarget=aud-412677883135:pla-883069117886&abcId=1140476&merchantid=6365194&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy6T1BRDXARIsAIqCTXpgaQh8eVk5uv8YU-UFusfGsdI1WzKLY3BtMwslvi730a4qTfcOvlUaAlGHEALw_wcB
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
>> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
>> Part # 1124751.
>> Was it ever used by any other car?
>> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>>
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083 LRXFE
>> Code 86
>> TAC #....
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:42:31 -0700
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
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According to the TEAE site, it was unique to Tigers.
https://teae.org/tiger-tools-field-guide/

I tried to go to Tigersunited.com to see what it said.? But I couldn't get
to it.? I emailed Theo to see what he knows.? Since I pay for that site
every year, I sure hope it's still out there!

Jay

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:22:46 -0400
From: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com>
To: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: Tiger Server <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
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Jim,
I don't know of any other car that used this tool.? The socket and plug
handle are made by Britool.? There is a current ebay listing of a tool kit
which contains the Britool handle and socket:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunbeam-Tiger-tool-kit-jack-handle-Clips/303547930277?hash=item46acddd6a5:g:JpEAAOSwzOleoMRS
 Listing
describes them as Britool spark plug handle - A61 "Britool made in
England"and Britool # ADH 812 "Made in England" socket.? The finish on the
ebay parts is incorrect, being a natural finish rather than the correct
black finish, but I'm sure they could be refinished to look as OEM.? I have
heard that someone made a plastic (!!) repro of the tool.? Maybe someone
knows who did it (CAT, maybe?).

While we're on the subject of tool kits, does anyone know if someone makes
a good repro of the original vinyl pouch for the kit.? I have seen quite a
few repros of the original, most are nicer than the original (not hard to
do - the original was pretty cheesy), but none was a good match
of the original.? A local family of mice managed to munch their way through
mine so I'm looking for a replacement.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:12 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one
> unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
> Part # 1124751.
> Was it ever used by any other car?
> Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From dnmwilson at aol.com  Wed Apr 29 18:24:29 2020
From: dnmwilson at aol.com (dnmwilson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:24:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Repo Spark Plug Socket
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17366.1588195403.2964.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.17366.1588195403.2964.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1229428706.1719750.1588206269243@mail.yahoo.com>

Bill Rodgers printed 3D copies of the socket and tommy bar.? There was an article about them in Tiger Tales a few years ago.? He also posted on the C.A.T. Forum (https://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=4472&highlight=spark+plug+socket).? You could send him a PM via the Forum to see if he is still selling these items.
The Britool plug socket and tommy bar frequently for sale on eBay are not the correct ones for your Tiger.? I could be wrong, but I did not think the Tiger ones were made by Britool, but it has been awhile since I looked at my tools.

Good luck!

David

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? 4. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:12:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
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Hello,

Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one unobtainium piece is the plug wrenchPart # 1124751.Was it ever used by any other car?Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Thu Apr 30 08:11:51 2020
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:11:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] spark plug socket
References: <1817552775.1885642.1588255911444.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1817552775.1885642.1588255911444@mail.yahoo.com>

Im not at my primary residence right now so I can't look through my TIGER STUFF, but I replicated one based on the measurements I found in some Tiger literature. May have been an old CAT article or sunbeam solutions I can't remember, but I bought a Snap on impact socket that was close to the correct size, had to cut the head off it and weld on a different one to change the socket from i/2 inch drive to 3/8 inch drive after getting the shape correct ?with a little lathe work I left it outdoors for a month, so it would rust up and get some patina, after cleaning up it looked just like original except for the part number stamping, probably could have done that but my set of stamps was the wrong size, when in the tool roll it looks very correct, and not being painted it looks more original to me and matches the patina of the other tools in my kit. Clyde McLaughlin #1174, TAC Inspector#90
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:14:03 2020
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:14:03 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
Message-ID: <MWHPR06MB3056096DF84486C1F1FF07C8D8AA0@MWHPR06MB3056.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.

Steve
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Thu Apr 30 08:14:36 2020
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:14:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] spark plug socket
References: <577431529.1884887.1588256076661.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <577431529.1884887.1588256076661@mail.yahoo.com>

I forgot to mention in my last post about making a plug socket..Someone on the list mentioned a plastic repo unit, I would think today with a 3D printer one could be duplicated very easily, just a thought, Clyde
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:16:01 2020
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:16:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
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Jaeger Smith for everything but the ammeter, which was Lucas.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:15 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in
> 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or
> switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer
> of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I
> have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see
> lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.
>
> Steve
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:42:58 2020
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 00:42:58 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
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All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was
smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco.

On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in
> 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or
> switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer
> of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I
> have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see
> lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.
>
> Steve
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Thu Apr 30 08:49:19 2020
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:49:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Repo Spark Plug Socket
In-Reply-To: <1229428706.1719750.1588206269243@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.104.1588258172.2961.tigers@autox.team.net>

I have attached a picture of the spark plug sockets and Tommy bars I have.? When I bought my Tiger in 1977 the originals were on the bottom of a very rusty trunk floor.? I blasted and painted they years ago with Eastwood Spray Gray just to preserve them.? You can see how pitted they are.? The black bar and socket are the 3D printed ones.? Pretty close to original except for a ridge at the very bottom past where the knurled marks are.? The chrome plated socket is a Britool AD820.? It is identical to the original except for the lettering.? The original has Z5798 where as the Britool has AD820 Made in Britool England 1/2 BS 7/16 W.? Below that is For14 M/M plugs.? I believe the Britool is your best bet to find one.? I have been to England's fall Beaulieu swap meet at least 15 times and have never seen an original.? The Britool socket I have, I got off Ebay from England for $37 shipped.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: DnMWilson--- via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 4/29/20  8:24 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Repo Spark Plug Socket 
Bill Rodgers printed 3D copies of the socket and tommy bar.? There was an article about them in Tiger Tales a few years ago.? He also posted on the C.A.T. Forum (https://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=4472&highlight=spark+plug+socket).? You could send him a PM via the Forum to see if he is still selling these items.



The Britool plug socket and tommy bar frequently for sale on eBay are not the correct ones for your Tiger.? I could be wrong, but I did not think the Tiger ones were made by Britool, but it has been awhile since I looked at my tools.



Good luck!

David


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?  2. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)


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?  4. Re: Tiger "sparking plug spanner" (Jay Laifman)


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Message: 1


Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:12:50 +0000 (UTC)


From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>


To: tigers at autox.team.net


Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"


Message-ID: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791 at mail.yahoo.com>


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Hello,





Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one unobtainium piece is the plug wrenchPart # 1124751.Was it ever used by any other car?Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....


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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 09:05:33 2020
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
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So now I have to realize that I have always just thought "Smiths Jaeger."
But as Michael points out, they actually say "British Jaeger."   Were they
separate companies that merged at some point?  Is there a non-British
Jaeger?  Something other than Jagermeister?


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM michael king via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was
> smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco.
>
> On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it
>> in 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or
>> switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer
>> of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I
>> have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see
>> lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.
>>
>> Steve
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 09:08:19 2020
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:08:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
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Answered my own question:  After WWI, the British subsidiary (British
Jaeger) of Jaeger of Paris secured the manufacturing rights to the
chronometric mechanism and manufactured these very reliable chronometric
mechanisms at a factory at Willesden. In 1927 British Jaeger was purchased
by Smiths Industries Limited.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM michael king via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was
> smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco.
>
> On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it
>> in 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or
>> switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer
>> of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I
>> have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see
>> lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.
>>
>> Steve
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 30 09:28:05 2020
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:28:05 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z7O3ATNKc_i7nj3jy5ruk6OMFKtB1LcCPC1p2XZ_xyZEA@mail.gmail.com>
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Here's the gauge that fried. Unfortunately, I broke off the needle taking the thing apart to see if it could be repaired. I think I'll use this as a host for a Voltmeter conversion, since I'm not excited about all the power running through a gauge in the dash anyway. When the shunt opened, the car lost all power at 70 mph in the left lane of the freeway. No more engine, no more turn signals, brake lights, anything. Quite exciting. Has anyone converted one of these, or do you just buy an aftermarket voltmeter and install it. I kind of like the idea of it at least appearing factory.

Steve

________________________________
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:08 AM
To: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>; Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct gauges

Answered my own question:  After WWI, the British subsidiary (British Jaeger) of Jaeger of Paris secured the manufacturing rights to the chronometric mechanism and manufactured these very reliable chronometric mechanisms at a factory at Willesden. In 1927 British Jaeger was purchased by Smiths Industries Limited.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM michael king via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco.

On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.

Steve
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From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 30 14:11:56 2020
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:11:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "sparking plug spanner"
In-Reply-To: <1629364707.1602178.1588187570791@mail.yahoo.com>
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Sadly, even  though Mr. Armstrong's Tiger is much to late to benefit 
from it, those with early MK 1s can legitimately use the chrome 
Britool tommy bar and socket.
Emacs!


J.D.

At 12:12 PM 4/29/2020, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Since I've got all the other tools for my Tiger tool kit, the one 
>unobtainium piece is the plug wrench
>Part # 1124751.
>Was it ever used by any other car?
>Did anyone ever make repro's ? My tool kit is empty without it.....
>
>Jim Armstrong
>Mk 1A
>382002083 LRXFE
>Code 86
>TAC #....
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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 30 22:03:03 2020
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 04:03:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clocks
References: <1544113759.146245.1588305783850.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1544113759.146245.1588305783850@mail.yahoo.com>

I mentioned earlier that I am preparing an article for CAT Tiger Tales regarding Tiger clocks and clock aperture motifs.I have several preliminary conclusions that I wanted to run past the group before committing the findings to print.
1) There is no such animal as a Smiths 3030 clock.I've been searching for anyone that can tell me different and/or show me an example.
I've checked with the current owners of Smiths instruments and the folks at Nisonger.Smiths tells me there is a gap in model numbers and picks up at 3100.Nisonger referenced Smiths 3131/01 for all Tiger models.
2) A 1967 Nisonger catalog and the Tiger parts supplement both indicate a single model of clock for all Tiger models.

Nisonger references Smiths 3131/01 and Rootes #1235813 which is not in either the Tiger or Alpine parts catalogs.
Rootes catalogs 6601131 and 6601334 both list a Tiger "clock kit" as Rootes #1229322.
If there is a 3030 clock in your collection, please pass on a photo and any provenance information, e.g. it came with the car new, etc.
Seems like this issue has remained unanswered for the last 50 years.I'd like to put it to rest if possible, but want to get it right.There's enough bad information out there already.
Cheers,Brian
Brian Glenn
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 Julian, CA 92036-0578
 714.345.9883
 
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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 10:40:39 2020
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:40:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
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My Smiths voltmeter came from (IIRC) a Triumph that was being parted out.
The trim ring was painted black, but the paint came off easily and it
polished up nice.  I opened it up and painted the pointer orange to match.
I installed it in the clock hole, using a clock blockoff trim ring to adapt
it to the larger hole size.

DO NOT mess with what look like adjusting screws.  You will never get it
back in calibration.


Stu

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:32 AM steve wick via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Here's the gauge that fried. Unfortunately, I broke off the needle taking
> the thing apart to see if it could be repaired. I think I'll use this as a
> host for a Voltmeter conversion, since I'm not excited about all the power
> running through a gauge in the dash anyway. When the shunt opened, the car
> lost all power at 70 mph in the left lane of the freeway. No more engine,
> no more turn signals, brake lights, anything. Quite exciting. Has anyone
> converted one of these, or do you just buy an aftermarket voltmeter and
> install it. I kind of like the idea of it at least appearing factory.
>
> Steve
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:08 AM
> *To:* michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>; Tiger Talk List Tiger <
> tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Correct gauges
>
> Answered my own question:  After WWI, the British subsidiary (British
> Jaeger) of Jaeger of Paris secured the manufacturing rights to the
> chronometric mechanism and manufactured these very reliable chronometric
> mechanisms at a factory at Willesden. In 1927 British Jaeger was purchased
> by Smiths Industries Limited.
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM michael king via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was
> smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco.
>
> On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in
> 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or
> switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer
> of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I
> have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see
> lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 30 11:20:32 2020
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:20:32 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
In-Reply-To: <CA+DpG66NQK5gBVF2BySt+oSeUGajKfaGoXMse9ZNZm8wfhu8mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR06MB3056096DF84486C1F1FF07C8D8AA0@MWHPR06MB3056.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Thanks to all that responded. I learn so much from this list.

Steve

________________________________
From: Stu <sabre2tgr at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:40 AM
To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>
Cc: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>; michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>; Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct gauges

My Smiths voltmeter came from (IIRC) a Triumph that was being parted out.  The trim ring was painted black, but the paint came off easily and it polished up nice.  I opened it up and painted the pointer orange to match.  I installed it in the clock hole, using a clock blockoff trim ring to adapt it to the larger hole size.

DO NOT mess with what look like adjusting screws.  You will never get it back in calibration.


Stu

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:32 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Here's the gauge that fried. Unfortunately, I broke off the needle taking the thing apart to see if it could be repaired. I think I'll use this as a host for a Voltmeter conversion, since I'm not excited about all the power running through a gauge in the dash anyway. When the shunt opened, the car lost all power at 70 mph in the left lane of the freeway. No more engine, no more turn signals, brake lights, anything. Quite exciting. Has anyone converted one of these, or do you just buy an aftermarket voltmeter and install it. I kind of like the idea of it at least appearing factory.

Steve

________________________________
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com<mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:08 AM
To: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com<mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com>>
Cc: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com<mailto:srwick at hotmail.com>>; Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct gauges

Answered my own question:  After WWI, the British subsidiary (British Jaeger) of Jaeger of Paris secured the manufacturing rights to the chronometric mechanism and manufactured these very reliable chronometric mechanisms at a factory at Willesden. In 1927 British Jaeger was purchased by Smiths Industries Limited.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM michael king via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco.

On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.

Steve
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Thu Apr 30 16:13:50 2020
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:13:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
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Steve,

If you're looking for an aftermarket voltmeter, try this guy:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-TIGER-ALPINE-ROOTES-JAEGER-VOLTMETER/324038689489?hash=item4b723602d1:g:uygAAOSw5r9dzb4J

He has voltmeters that match the MK1/MK1A and MKII styles perfectly.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:28 AM steve wick via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Here's the gauge that fried. Unfortunately, I broke off the needle taking
> the thing apart to see if it could be repaired. I think I'll use this as a
> host for a Voltmeter conversion, since I'm not excited about all the power
> running through a gauge in the dash anyway. When the shunt opened, the car
> lost all power at 70 mph in the left lane of the freeway. No more engine,
> no more turn signals, brake lights, anything. Quite exciting. Has anyone
> converted one of these, or do you just buy an aftermarket voltmeter and
> install it. I kind of like the idea of it at least appearing factory.
>
> Steve
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:08 AM
> *To:* michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>; Tiger Talk List Tiger <
> tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Correct gauges
>
> Answered my own question:  After WWI, the British subsidiary (British
> Jaeger) of Jaeger of Paris secured the manufacturing rights to the
> chronometric mechanism and manufactured these very reliable chronometric
> mechanisms at a factory at Willesden. In 1927 British Jaeger was purchased
> by Smiths Industries Limited.
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM michael king via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was
> smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco.
>
> On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in
> 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or
> switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer
> of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I
> have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see
> lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 30 19:31:07 2020
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 01:31:07 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Correct gauges
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As it turns out, he's on this list and contacted me. I have one on the way. Thanks.

Steve

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Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:13 PM
To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct gauges

Steve,

If you're looking for an aftermarket voltmeter, try this guy:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUNBEAM-TIGER-ALPINE-ROOTES-JAEGER-VOLTMETER/324038689489?hash=item4b723602d1:g:uygAAOSw5r9dzb4J
He has voltmeters that match the MK1/MK1A and MKII styles perfectly.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com<mailto:Tigers at embarqmail.com>


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:28 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Here's the gauge that fried. Unfortunately, I broke off the needle taking the thing apart to see if it could be repaired. I think I'll use this as a host for a Voltmeter conversion, since I'm not excited about all the power running through a gauge in the dash anyway. When the shunt opened, the car lost all power at 70 mph in the left lane of the freeway. No more engine, no more turn signals, brake lights, anything. Quite exciting. Has anyone converted one of these, or do you just buy an aftermarket voltmeter and install it. I kind of like the idea of it at least appearing factory.

Steve

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Cc: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com<mailto:srwick at hotmail.com>>; Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct gauges

Answered my own question:  After WWI, the British subsidiary (British Jaeger) of Jaeger of Paris secured the manufacturing rights to the chronometric mechanism and manufactured these very reliable chronometric mechanisms at a factory at Willesden. In 1927 British Jaeger was purchased by Smiths Industries Limited.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM michael king via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco.

On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight.

Steve
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