From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 15:31:20 2019
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 16:31:20 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Idle Question
Message-ID: <CAKb_wfnDaMEzgBFZipSVr=9Jm4Nrdcqe8szYaZX9=CJP3b-Egg@mail.gmail.com>

Me again,

I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep
the RPMs up above 2000.  I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an
otherwise stock engine.  I have the distributor vacuum  advance plugged
into the metered vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.
The is a manual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the
engine.  After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the
choke the engine dies.

So, I'm looking for ideas.  How long do I need to let the engine run before
opening the choke?  Is the timing causing the need to run at high RPMs?  I
haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.

Thanks,
Joe Brown
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 19:42:23 2019
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 21:42:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Idle Question
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Hi, Joe, Been there, got the t-shirt. My Kitty ('67 Mark 2 - 289), likes
the temp gauge  off cold, almost up to operating temperature before it
wants to run smoothly. Is the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My
Holley uses a timer... not sure I like it.

Good hunting. Pls report back when you "fix" it...

Tom




On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Me again,
>
> I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep
> the RPMs up above 2000.  I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an
> otherwise stock engine.  I have the distributor vacuum  advance plugged
> into the metered vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.
> The is a manual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the
> engine.  After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the
> choke the engine dies.
>
> So, I'm looking for ideas.  How long do I need to let the engine run
> before opening the choke?  Is the timing causing the need to run at high
> RPMs?  I haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 20:06:01 2019
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 21:06:01 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Idle Question
In-Reply-To: <CAE3_YO_-JTy=0KpqSXij_V5JZyr7Veik130qO=L-4dBkKW8exg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb_wfnDaMEzgBFZipSVr=9Jm4Nrdcqe8szYaZX9=CJP3b-Egg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAE3_YO_-JTy=0KpqSXij_V5JZyr7Veik130qO=L-4dBkKW8exg@mail.gmail.com>
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It's a manual choke. Pull the knob to close it. Push the knob to open it.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:42 PM Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Joe, Been there, got the t-shirt. My Kitty ('67 Mark 2 - 289), likes
> the temp gauge  off cold, almost up to operating temperature before it
> wants to run smoothly. Is the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My
> Holley uses a timer... not sure I like it.
>
> Good hunting. Pls report back when you "fix" it...
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Me again,
>>
>> I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep
>> the RPMs up above 2000.  I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an
>> otherwise stock engine.  I have the distributor vacuum  advance plugged
>> into the metered vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.
>> The is a manual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the
>> engine.  After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the
>> choke the engine dies.
>>
>> So, I'm looking for ideas.  How long do I need to let the engine run
>> before opening the choke?  Is the timing causing the need to run at high
>> RPMs?  I haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Brown
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
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From coolvt at aol.com  Tue Dec  3 20:26:05 2019
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 03:26:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Idle Question
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 <CAE3_YO_-JTy=0KpqSXij_V5JZyr7Veik130qO=L-4dBkKW8exg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKb_wfmoj8fV8LQfbrK5hExEzgfX-sizpj43wkPTDfen96eW-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Have to close it slowly as the engine heats up. But, I don;t think that explains why you should have to keep it above 2000 rpm when you first start it.? ?If you have the owner's manual for the carb, I would suggest going through the adjustments to see if anything is off. You never mentioned how it runs once warmed up.? It it runs okay when warm, then you'd have to assume something is going on with the choke. And since it's a manual choke it seemingly would be something simple that isn't right.
In a message dated 12/3/2019 10:06:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:

It's a manual choke. Pull the knob to close it. Push the knob to open it.
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:42 PM Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Joe, Been there, got the t-shirt. My Kitty ('67 Mark 2 - 289), likes the temp gauge ?off cold, almost up to operating temperature before it wants to run smoothly. Is the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My Holley uses a timer... not sure I like it.
Good hunting. Pls report back when you "fix" it...
Tom



On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
Me again,
I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep the RPMs up above 2000.? I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an otherwise stock engine.? I have the distributor vacuum? advance plugged into the metered vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.? The is a manual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the engine.? After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the choke the engine dies.
So, I'm looking for ideas.? How long do I need to let the engine run before opening the choke?? Is the timing causing the need to run at high RPMs?? I haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 20:26:52 2019
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 22:26:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Idle Question
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References: <CAKb_wfnDaMEzgBFZipSVr=9Jm4Nrdcqe8szYaZX9=CJP3b-Egg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAE3_YO_-JTy=0KpqSXij_V5JZyr7Veik130qO=L-4dBkKW8exg@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds like a major vacuum leak, did you put the base gaskets on correctly?
Installed backwards they leak air and cause air to lean out the mixture
causing you to need to keep the choke on.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:06 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> It's a manual choke. Pull the knob to close it. Push the knob to open it.
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:42 PM Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Joe, Been there, got the t-shirt. My Kitty ('67 Mark 2 - 289), likes
>> the temp gauge  off cold, almost up to operating temperature before it
>> wants to run smoothly. Is the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My
>> Holley uses a timer... not sure I like it.
>>
>> Good hunting. Pls report back when you "fix" it...
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Me again,
>>>
>>> I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I
>>> keep the RPMs up above 2000.  I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an
>>> otherwise stock engine.  I have the distributor vacuum  advance plugged
>>> into the metered vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.
>>> The is a manual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the
>>> engine.  After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the
>>> choke the engine dies.
>>>
>>> So, I'm looking for ideas.  How long do I need to let the engine run
>>> before opening the choke?  Is the timing causing the need to run at high
>>> RPMs?  I haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe Brown
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>>
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>
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 21:32:48 2019
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 23:32:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Idle problem
Message-ID: <CACQC2nWpEFoaXerPAtPRj9fo1S+QjOjHJUoLMMJ0cOuup3bHEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base.
Please.

   Beau
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  4 13:29:04 2019
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 14:29:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Idle problem
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It's definitely a vacuum leak.  I plugged up all of the ports on the carb
and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the break booster and
nothing changed.  So I pulled off the carb and the spacer that goes between
the carb and the manifold and looked it over really good and didn't see
anything obvious.  I reinstalled the carb without the spacer and it runs
fine now.  I'm waiting for it to cool down and I'll put the spacer back in
and see what happens.

Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperature gauge on
the dash was getting over 225.  I'm not sure how accurate that is and it
never boiled over.  I'll get out my laser temp gun and poke around a little
bit.

Thanks for everybody's guidance.

Joe Brown

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base.
> Please.
>
>    Beau
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Dec  4 13:42:25 2019
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 15:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Idle problem
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Joe

                Glad you have it sorted for now.

I would check the flatness of the spacer, make sure it does not rock on a flat surface, and look for any possible cracks.

Make sure there is no interference somewhere between the carb and the spacer and that the throttle plates can open and close correctly on the spacer.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Brown via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 3:29 PM
To: Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Idle problem

 

It's definitely a vacuum leak.  I plugged up all of the ports on the carb and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the break booster and nothing changed.  So I pulled off the carb and the spacer that goes between the carb and the manifold and looked it over really good and didn't see anything obvious.  I reinstalled the carb without the spacer and it runs fine now.  I'm waiting for it to cool down and I'll put the spacer back in and see what happens.  

 

Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperature gauge on the dash was getting over 225.  I'm not sure how accurate that is and it never boiled over.  I'll get out my laser temp gun and poke around a little bit.  

 

Thanks for everybody's guidance.

 

Joe Brown

 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base. Please.  

 

   Beau

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Dec  4 15:50:29 2019
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 14:50:29 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Idle problem
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You mention ?idling? below but is that at 2,000 RPM as initially stated (or has that ben solved)?  Does the car idle properly (assumed 600-800 RPM) once it is warmed up?  It might be that the idle adjustment screw (for the throttle, not the idle fuel mixture) is not adjusted properly.  When the choke is ?On? there is a stepped piece that opens the primary throttle plates (more than the normal idle position). So, where as when the choke plate closes at the top..., the throttle plates open more than normal.  This may be why the car is starting and running at 2,000 RPM. However, when you open the choke the stepped idle speed piece moves to a position where the throttle plates are (fully) closed and the engine dies.


From: Joe Brown via Tigers 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:29 PM
To: Lance Beauchamp 
Cc: Tiger Club. Submission 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Idle problem

It's definitely a vacuum leak.  I plugged up all of the ports on the carb and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the break booster and nothing changed.  So I pulled off the carb and the spacer that goes between the carb and the manifold and looked it over really good and didn't see anything obvious.  I reinstalled the carb without the spacer and it runs fine now.  I'm waiting for it to cool down and I'll put the spacer back in and see what happens.   

Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperature gauge on the dash was getting over 225.  I'm not sure how accurate that is and it never boiled over.  I'll get out my laser temp gun and poke around a little bit.  

Thanks for everybody's guidance.

Joe Brown

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base. Please.   

     Beau
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  4 16:22:38 2019
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:22:38 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Idle problem
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OK, I've pinpointed the problem.  The spacer I was trying to use is a Ford
part that was on the Ford 4V intake that was on my car when I got it.  I
now have an Edelbrock intake and after taking everything apart and looking
at it closely it is obvious that the Ford spacer will not work.  The sides
are a little wider than than mounting surface of the intake and it leaves
enough of a gap on both sides to suck in a lot of air.  It looks like I
will need to get an Edelbrock spacer to make this work.  I could run it
without a spacer but raising the carb up makes more room for the various
hoses.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 2:29 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's definitely a vacuum leak.  I plugged up all of the ports on the carb
> and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the break booster and
> nothing changed.  So I pulled off the carb and the spacer that goes between
> the carb and the manifold and looked it over really good and didn't see
> anything obvious.  I reinstalled the carb without the spacer and it runs
> fine now.  I'm waiting for it to cool down and I'll put the spacer back in
> and see what happens.
>
> Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperature gauge on
> the dash was getting over 225.  I'm not sure how accurate that is and it
> never boiled over.  I'll get out my laser temp gun and poke around a little
> bit.
>
> Thanks for everybody's guidance.
>
> Joe Brown
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base.
>> Please.
>>
>>    Beau
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From icanhandyman at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  4 17:18:25 2019
From: icanhandyman at yahoo.com (J Clark)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 00:18:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Get-Smart parody TV (ABC) commercial*
References: <1858194904.3209776.1575505105563.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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... and they chose the volkswagen. sigh :(
I don't watch much tele so this may not be "news" to anyone. I just needed to get it off my chest.
*Ameritrade (?)
Jon Clark
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  4 17:28:39 2019
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:28:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Idle problem
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 <CAKb_wf=wF0sUZCNAkVEycaXkFouuQ2PjEj4LaK0vj80H372UPw@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds like a good plan.

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 6:22 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, I've pinpointed the problem.  The spacer I was trying to use is a Ford
> part that was on the Ford 4V intake that was on my car when I got it.  I
> now have an Edelbrock intake and after taking everything apart and looking
> at it closely it is obvious that the Ford spacer will not work.  The sides
> are a little wider than than mounting surface of the intake and it leaves
> enough of a gap on both sides to suck in a lot of air.  It looks like I
> will need to get an Edelbrock spacer to make this work.  I could run it
> without a spacer but raising the carb up makes more room for the various
> hoses.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 2:29 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's definitely a vacuum leak.  I plugged up all of the ports on the carb
>> and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the break booster and
>> nothing changed.  So I pulled off the carb and the spacer that goes between
>> the carb and the manifold and looked it over really good and didn't see
>> anything obvious.  I reinstalled the carb without the spacer and it runs
>> fine now.  I'm waiting for it to cool down and I'll put the spacer back in
>> and see what happens.
>>
>> Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperature gauge on
>> the dash was getting over 225.  I'm not sure how accurate that is and it
>> never boiled over.  I'll get out my laser temp gun and poke around a little
>> bit.
>>
>> Thanks for everybody's guidance.
>>
>> Joe Brown
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base.
>>> Please.
>>>
>>>    Beau
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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From rollright at aol.com  Fri Dec  6 06:30:10 2019
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 13:30:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] steel rims
References: <1031554366.6387181.1575639010071.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1031554366.6387181.1575639010071@mail.yahoo.com>


Season's greeting all,
I bought a 2nd set of rims to use while i get my Minilites blasted and painted.
Where can i find part number or any other identification on the rim itself?
Thanks in advance,
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Fri Dec  6 15:48:20 2019
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 17:48:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] steel rims
In-Reply-To: <1031554366.6387181.1575639010071@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1031554366.6387181.1575639010071.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1031554366.6387181.1575639010071@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAGiVA4a8ZybGLJsHCZWa-ZYTymXG4FZU3f7ca_HAc+YNqWJjHA@mail.gmail.com>

Date stamp is on the front "65" or other. 4x13 or 4 1/2 x 13 stamped on the
deep groove on the inside.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 8:30 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

>
> Season's greeting all,
>
> I bought a 2nd set of rims to use while i get my Minilites blasted and
> painted.
>
> Where can i find part number or any other identification on the rim itself?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> _______________________________________________
>
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sun Dec  8 10:10:01 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 09:10:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z53TmYyuyxdp=VYYDo1Ej6-kCL=cWH0Ja=PqEQ7=7HnCg@mail.gmail.com>

I recall being able to order a can of spray paint from a place from a paint
code.  I think it was called Tower Paints in the midwest somewhere.  I'm
not finding them online.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?

I had these guys send me a can of the 106 Commodore Blue for my Alpine, and
I believe they sent my dad a can of 86 Forrest Green.

Now I need it for our Elva race car.
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From fast427 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  8 10:15:56 2019
From: fast427 at sbcglobal.net (Donald Antilla)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 12:15:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z53TmYyuyxdp=VYYDo1Ej6-kCL=cWH0Ja=PqEQ7=7HnCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjp1z53TmYyuyxdp=VYYDo1Ej6-kCL=cWH0Ja=PqEQ7=7HnCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06B50A02-891E-4E21-98FA-613811194554@sbcglobal.net>

I have been quite satisfied with Kemperle Paint in Waterbury, CT.

They?ve matched several colors for me over the past 10 years and got a good match in a spray can.

 

I?m not sure how you would work with them since it is advisable to bring them an actual paint sample as well as the official Paint Code.

You can call and ask them; number is (203) 756-7081

 

 

 

Don Antilla 

Southbury, CT

203-264-8301 Home

203-592-8427 Cell

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jay Laifman via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Reply-To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:10 PM
To: Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint

 

I recall being able to order a can of spray paint from a place from a paint code.  I think it was called Tower Paints in the midwest somewhere.  I'm not finding them online.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?

 

I had these guys send me a can of the 106 Commodore Blue for my Alpine, and I believe they sent my dad a can of 86 Forrest Green.

 

Now I need it for our Elva race car.

 

 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Dec  8 10:23:59 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z53TmYyuyxdp=VYYDo1Ej6-kCL=cWH0Ja=PqEQ7=7HnCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjp1z53TmYyuyxdp=VYYDo1Ej6-kCL=cWH0Ja=PqEQ7=7HnCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ed1b999-ce36-dbab-2285-5778b42eef15@bradakis.com>

On 12/8/19 10:10 AM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:
> I recall being able to order a can of spray paint from a place from a 
> paint code.? I think it was called Tower Paints in the midwest 
> somewhere.? I'm not finding them online. Does anyone have any other 
> suggestions?
>

Many wholesalers who supply auto body shops can do this.? If you live in 
or near a large city do some web searching.? The problem of course is 
that the places may have no problem doing this for a regular customer 
who goes through thousands of dollars a month in paints, thinners and 
such but a random guy off the street?? It's been a while since I've done 
much painting, but there was a place in SLC, Superior Automotive, that 
worked with me on several occasions.

You might try this place:

https://www.automotivetouchup.com/spray_paint_matched.aspx


mjb.



From srwick at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  8 10:35:02 2019
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:35:02 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint
In-Reply-To: <9ed1b999-ce36-dbab-2285-5778b42eef15@bradakis.com>
References: <CAAjp1z53TmYyuyxdp=VYYDo1Ej6-kCL=cWH0Ja=PqEQ7=7HnCg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <9ed1b999-ce36-dbab-2285-5778b42eef15@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR06MB5830BBE441F29072F931127AD8590@BYAPR06MB5830.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

I would suggest a local source also. I'm near a town of 50,000 and there is an auto paint supply place here that will mix a spray can for you either with a paint code or a scan of a clean body panel. They do it for anyone that walks in the door.

Steve
________________________________
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mark J Bradakis via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 9:23 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint

On 12/8/19 10:10 AM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:
> I recall being able to order a can of spray paint from a place from a
> paint code.  I think it was called Tower Paints in the midwest
> somewhere.  I'm not finding them online. Does anyone have any other
> suggestions?
>

Many wholesalers who supply auto body shops can do this.  If you live in
or near a large city do some web searching.  The problem of course is
that the places may have no problem doing this for a regular customer
who goes through thousands of dollars a month in paints, thinners and
such but a random guy off the street?  It's been a while since I've done
much painting, but there was a place in SLC, Superior Automotive, that
worked with me on several occasions.

You might try this place:

https://www.automotivetouchup.com/spray_paint_matched.aspx


mjb.


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From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  8 10:54:34 2019
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 09:54:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR06MB5830BBE441F29072F931127AD8590@BYAPR06MB5830.nampr
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References: <CAAjp1z53TmYyuyxdp=VYYDo1Ej6-kCL=cWH0Ja=PqEQ7=7HnCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <9ed1b999-ce36-dbab-2285-5778b42eef15@bradakis.com>
 <BYAPR06MB5830BBE441F29072F931127AD8590@BYAPR06MB5830.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E1ie0lR-000GQZ-SJ@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Tower Paint
922 Oregon Street
PO BOX 2345
Oshkosh WI 54903
920-235-6520
800-779-6520

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From rollright at aol.com  Sun Dec  8 11:03:18 2019
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:03:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>



Steel rims, looking for codes:
Boy, I cleaned my old original spare ( i now use a Mustang space-saver spare) on the front and the back with Windex and paper towels: the front side is in a sort of cream original paint and the back in black. Front looks kind of nice now, for being 53 or so years old. Scratched from the old trim rings. original factory tire ! Inspected with a really bright mini flashlight. The only mark on the front side was on one of the raised stiffeners getting near the center opening was an? "X".? That was it on the front and nothing on the back !? ? Guys, what am I doing wrong?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....


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From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  8 13:56:17 2019
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 12:56:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
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Emacs!


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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sun Dec  8 14:16:06 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 13:16:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint
In-Reply-To: <000001d5adee$6d4a1150$47de33f0$@cox.net>
References: <CAAjp1z53TmYyuyxdp=VYYDo1Ej6-kCL=cWH0Ja=PqEQ7=7HnCg@mail.gmail.com>
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APS Tower, Wisconsin, that's them!

I do acknowledge that ordering from them a can of paint won't hardly ever
match what's actually on the car.  But, I have to say, their Commodore Blue
can was spot on.  And sadly, when I gave the can to the shop to paint my
Alpine, they did not use Tower and mixed the paint themselves.  Don't get
me wrong.  The car came out great, and I do really like the color.
However, it's not quite as good as Tower's Commodore Blue.



On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:39 AM Andy Walker <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:

> Jay, et al:
>
>
>
> The name of the place you are referencing is APS Tower Paint Co., Inc.
> I?ve ordered paints from them over the years to refinish bits on the
> Tiger.  They have all the color reference materials that you would need to
> match Sunbeam colors, plus they?ll put them in spray cans for you.
>
>
>
> They are located in Appleton, WI.  A search of the internet for APS Tower
> Paint brings up a URL of www.apstowerpaint.com.  However, when I pulled
> that up, it redirected me to www.finishmaster.com.  Their website appears
> to have changed quite a bit, so a call to them regarding obtaining Sunbeam
> colors in spray cans may be in order.  I hope they still do it; their
> products were fantastic.
>
>
>
> Andy Walker
>
> Edmond, OK
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Jay
> Laifman via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 8, 2019 11:10 AM
> *To:* Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Looking for custom spray paint
>
>
>
> I recall being able to order a can of spray paint from a place from a
> paint code.  I think it was called Tower Paints in the midwest somewhere.
> I'm not finding them online.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>
>
>
> I had these guys send me a can of the 106 Commodore Blue for my Alpine,
> and I believe they sent my dad a can of 86 Forrest Green.
>
>
>
> Now I need it for our Elva race car.
>
>
>
>
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Dec  8 14:41:20 2019
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 16:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

                Here is a pic of my wheel ? X and a /65 are the only marks I see, nothing on the backside that I could see.

Wheel painted silver ? I like silver plus I didn?t know any better way back when.

 

2nd pic is from Bill Waite stock color ? Rootes code #8 ? Foam White I believe

Note at the 7 o?clock position there is a 121 number just visible ? zoom in

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 1:03 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; jeffreyrandell at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331

 

 

 

Steel rims, looking for codes:

 

Boy, I cleaned my old original spare ( i now use a Mustang space-saver spare) on the front and the back with Windex and paper towels: the front side is in a sort of cream original paint and the back in black. Front looks kind of nice now, for being 53 or so years old. Scratched from the old trim rings. original factory tire ! Inspected with a really bright mini flashlight. The only mark on the front side was on one of the raised stiffeners getting near the center opening was an  "X".  That was it on the front and nothing on the back !

    Guys, what am I doing wrong?

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC #....

 

 

 

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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Sun Dec  8 15:23:08 2019
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 22:23:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] spray paint
References: <1442065577.6942785.1575843788277.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1442065577.6942785.1575843788277@mail.yahoo.com>

the NAPA store in Annapolis, Md can due custom spray cans, don't know if they have the formulas for sunbeam, another note:if you live in a state that has outlawed solvent based paint, ?the NAPA product is solvent based but seems to be legal in states were other products are not. ?Has to due with the VOC rating. The water born paints that professional shops need to be painted in a booth, the paints are very sensitive to temperature and humidity. If you are doing your own painting you need solvent paint for good results. Clyde?
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Dec  9 07:18:30 2019
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 14:18:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <154659169.7070015.1575901110804@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
Thanks to you again Ron. Looks like any kind of stamping is on those raised stiffener ribs
I'll look again tonight!
Jim Armstrong
In a message dated 12/8/2019 4:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:


Jim

??????????????? Here is a pic of my wheel ? X and a /65 are the only marks I see, nothing on the backside that I could see.

Wheel painted silver ? I like silver plus I didn?t know any better way back when.

?

2nd pic is from Bill Waite stock color ? Rootes code #8 ? Foam White I believe

Note at the 7 o?clock position there is a 121 number just visible ? zoom in

?

Ron Fraser

?

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 1:03 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; jeffreyrandell at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331

?

 





Steel rims, looking for codes:




Boy, I cleaned my old original spare ( i now use a Mustang space-saver spare) on the front and the back with Windex and paper towels: the front side is in a sort of cream original paint and the back in black. Front looks kind of nice now, for being 53 or so years old. Scratched from the old trim rings. original factory tire ! Inspected with a really bright mini flashlight. The only mark on the front side was on one of the raised stiffeners getting near the center opening was an? "X".? That was it on the front and nothing on the back !

? ? Guys, what am I doing wrong?




Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC #....










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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Mon Dec  9 07:57:55 2019
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry E. Paulick)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 09:57:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <A96F0DCD-631A-4907-BD8E-05379265A64B@verizon.net>

>   Guys, what am I doing wrong?


Using a 53 year old spare tire.  That tire is dangerous, if you ever had to use it.

Larry

> On Dec 8, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Jim
>                 Here is a pic of my wheel ? X and a /65 are the only marks I see, nothing on the backside that I could see.
> Wheel painted silver ? I like silver plus I didn?t know any better way back when.
>  
> 2nd pic is from Bill Waite stock color ? Rootes code #8 ? Foam White I believe
> Note at the 7 o?clock position there is a 121 number just visible ? zoom in
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 1:03 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>; jeffreyrandell at gmail.com <mailto:jeffreyrandell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
>  
>  
>  
> Steel rims, looking for codes:
>  
> Boy, I cleaned my old original spare ( i now use a Mustang space-saver spare) on the front and the back with Windex and paper towels: the front side is in a sort of cream original paint and the back in black. Front looks kind of nice now, for being 53 or so years old. Scratched from the old trim rings. original factory tire ! Inspected with a really bright mini flashlight. The only mark on the front side was on one of the raised stiffeners getting near the center opening was an  "X".  That was it on the front and nothing on the back !
>     Guys, what am I doing wrong?
>  
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
>  
>  
>  
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Mon Dec  9 07:57:55 2019
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry E. Paulick)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 09:57:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <A96F0DCD-631A-4907-BD8E-05379265A64B@verizon.net>

>   Guys, what am I doing wrong?


Using a 53 year old spare tire.  That tire is dangerous, if you ever had to use it.

Larry

> On Dec 8, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Jim
>                 Here is a pic of my wheel ? X and a /65 are the only marks I see, nothing on the backside that I could see.
> Wheel painted silver ? I like silver plus I didn?t know any better way back when.
>  
> 2nd pic is from Bill Waite stock color ? Rootes code #8 ? Foam White I believe
> Note at the 7 o?clock position there is a 121 number just visible ? zoom in
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 1:03 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>; jeffreyrandell at gmail.com <mailto:jeffreyrandell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
>  
>  
>  
> Steel rims, looking for codes:
>  
> Boy, I cleaned my old original spare ( i now use a Mustang space-saver spare) on the front and the back with Windex and paper towels: the front side is in a sort of cream original paint and the back in black. Front looks kind of nice now, for being 53 or so years old. Scratched from the old trim rings. original factory tire ! Inspected with a really bright mini flashlight. The only mark on the front side was on one of the raised stiffeners getting near the center opening was an  "X".  That was it on the front and nothing on the back !
>     Guys, what am I doing wrong?
>  
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
>  
>  
>  
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Dec  9 08:58:36 2019
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:58:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <A96F0DCD-631A-4907-BD8E-05379265A64B@verizon.net>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
 <A96F0DCD-631A-4907-BD8E-05379265A64B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1040425859.7120132.1575907116570@mail.yahoo.com>

Not using the original spare. Using a Mustang space-saver spare
Original is in my parts room as a reference
Jim Armstrong
In a message dated 12/9/2019 9:58:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, lpaulick1 at verizon.net writes:


? Guys, what am I doing wrong?

Using a 53 year old spare tire. ?That tire is dangerous, if you ever had to use it.
Larry


On Dec 8, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
Jim??????????????? Here is a pic of my wheel ? X and a /65 are the only marks I see, nothing on the backside that I could see.Wheel painted silver ? I like silver plus I didn?t know any better way back when.
2nd?pic is from Bill Waite stock color ? Rootes code #8 ? Foam White I believeNote at the 7 o?clock position there is a 121 number just visible ? zoom in
Ron Fraser
From:?Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>?On Behalf Of?James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent:?Sunday, December 08, 2019 1:03 PM
To:?tigers at autox.team.net;?jeffreyrandell at gmail.com
Subject:?Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
 

Steel rims, looking for codes:
Boy, I cleaned my old original spare ( i now use a Mustang space-saver spare) on the front and the back with Windex and paper towels: the front side is in a sort of cream original paint and the back in black. Front looks kind of nice now, for being 53 or so years old. Scratched from the old trim rings. original factory tire ! Inspected with a really bright mini flashlight. The only mark on the front side was on one of the raised stiffeners getting near the center opening was an? "X".? That was it on the front and nothing on the back !? ? Guys, what am I doing wrong?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....


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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Mon Dec  9 09:05:54 2019
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry E. Paulick)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:05:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <1040425859.7120132.1575907116570@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
 <A96F0DCD-631A-4907-BD8E-05379265A64B@verizon.net>
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Good idea.

> On Dec 9, 2019, at 10:58 AM, James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Not using the original spare. Using a Mustang space-saver spare
> 
> Original is in my parts room as a reference
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> 
> In a message dated 12/9/2019 9:58:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, lpaulick1 at verizon.net writes: 
> 
>   Guys, what am I doing wrong?
> 
> Using a 53 year old spare tire.  That tire is dangerous, if you ever had to use it.
> 
> Larry
> 
> On Dec 8, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <>> wrote:
> 
> Jim
>                 Here is a pic of my wheel ? X and a /65 are the only marks I see, nothing on the backside that I could see.
> Wheel painted silver ? I like silver plus I didn?t know any better way back when.
> 
> 2nd pic is from Bill Waite stock color ? Rootes code #8 ? Foam White I believe
> Note at the 7 o?clock position there is a 121 number just visible ? zoom in
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <>> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 1:03 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <>; jeffreyrandell at gmail.com <>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
> 
> 
> 
> Steel rims, looking for codes:
> 
> Boy, I cleaned my old original spare ( i now use a Mustang space-saver spare) on the front and the back with Windex and paper towels: the front side is in a sort of cream original paint and the back in black. Front looks kind of nice now, for being 53 or so years old. Scratched from the old trim rings. original factory tire ! Inspected with a really bright mini flashlight. The only mark on the front side was on one of the raised stiffeners getting near the center opening was an  "X".  That was it on the front and nothing on the back !
>     Guys, what am I doing wrong?
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> 
> 
> 
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Mon Dec  9 09:05:54 2019
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry E. Paulick)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:05:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
In-Reply-To: <1040425859.7120132.1575907116570@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1575745201.19087.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <374676446.3104060.1575828198018@mail.yahoo.com>
 <001901d5ae10$3d6f45f0$b84dd1d0$@bluefrog.com>
 <A96F0DCD-631A-4907-BD8E-05379265A64B@verizon.net>
 <1040425859.7120132.1575907116570@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E9813C3F-15B4-4EA2-B5AB-472F055932D6@verizon.net>

Good idea.

> On Dec 9, 2019, at 10:58 AM, James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Not using the original spare. Using a Mustang space-saver spare
> 
> Original is in my parts room as a reference
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> 
> In a message dated 12/9/2019 9:58:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, lpaulick1 at verizon.net writes: 
> 
>   Guys, what am I doing wrong?
> 
> Using a 53 year old spare tire.  That tire is dangerous, if you ever had to use it.
> 
> Larry
> 
> On Dec 8, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <>> wrote:
> 
> Jim
>                 Here is a pic of my wheel ? X and a /65 are the only marks I see, nothing on the backside that I could see.
> Wheel painted silver ? I like silver plus I didn?t know any better way back when.
> 
> 2nd pic is from Bill Waite stock color ? Rootes code #8 ? Foam White I believe
> Note at the 7 o?clock position there is a 121 number just visible ? zoom in
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <>> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 1:03 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net <>; jeffreyrandell at gmail.com <>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 331
> 
> 
> 
> Steel rims, looking for codes:
> 
> Boy, I cleaned my old original spare ( i now use a Mustang space-saver spare) on the front and the back with Windex and paper towels: the front side is in a sort of cream original paint and the back in black. Front looks kind of nice now, for being 53 or so years old. Scratched from the old trim rings. original factory tire ! Inspected with a really bright mini flashlight. The only mark on the front side was on one of the raised stiffeners getting near the center opening was an  "X".  That was it on the front and nothing on the back !
>     Guys, what am I doing wrong?
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC #....
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From rollright at aol.com  Tue Dec 10 07:26:50 2019
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 14:26:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 335
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5280.1575841881.2922.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5280.1575841881.2922.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Hello,
Well, thanks to Ron Fraser, I went downstairs to my parts room armed with the knowledge of where to look,and lo; a miracle of the season. Opposite the 'X' on the front on an opposite raised rib was the number '66', correct for my Mk1A built in 1966. (382002083)
I now know where to look at the set of rims I bought recently !
Thanks to all, especially Ron.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Dec 22 10:39:53 2019
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:39:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
Message-ID: <000201d5b8ee$d3681a80$7a384f80$@bluefrog.com>

Anyone know a current paint code # for Forest Green - Rootes code 86?

I would like to do some touch up some paint chips in the spring.

 

I'm not sure my 45 year old Qt can of Sherwin William JX-9977 Forest Green
will rejuvenate enough to use even as touch up paint.

A current paint code # would make it easier to purchase locally.

 

Actually, It would really be nice if we all had a complete listing of
current paint codes numbers for Rootes paint codes.  Anyone know some?

 

Thanks 

Ron Fraser

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From jimmc13 at socket.net  Sun Dec 22 11:06:56 2019
From: jimmc13 at socket.net (jimmc13 at socket.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:06:56 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
In-Reply-To: <000201d5b8ee$d3681a80$7a384f80$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000201d5b8ee$d3681a80$7a384f80$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <1c8cdd73c7ed80e2e5e609ae53e502b6@socket.net>

 

Ron; 

I recently had my 1966 Tiger restored and we painted it
original Rootes code 86. So on December 31, 2013, the painter had some
single stage touch up paint mixed at O'Reilly's Paint store in Columbia,
Mo. These guys have a great local reputation for color matching and
mixing. They nailed the color of the convertible top frame, light/medium
gray for the Tiger. They also nailed the factory color 86 with the help
of the local DuPont rep. The car is painted with DuPont Chroma Premier,
base and Chroma Premier Clear for the second stage, 3 coats. The
Spectramaster code is GS280 and the single stage touch up is GS280IE.
The car is beautiful and has been shown at 2 of the last 3 Shelbyfests
held locally inn Hermann, Mo and now Jefferson City, Mo. Hope this
helps. Note that DuPont was bought out by Axalta. I can send a couple
pictures if you wish, esp since you are always a big help for us. 

Jim
McLaughlin 

B382000175LRXFE 

On 12/22/19, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:


> Anyone know a current paint code # for Forest Green - Rootes code
86? 
> 
> I would like to do some touch up some paint chips in the
spring. 
> 
> I'm not sure my 45 year old Qt can of Sherwin William
JX-9977 Forest Green will rejuvenate enough to use even as touch up
paint. 
> 
> A current paint code # would make it easier to purchase
locally. 
> 
> Actually, It would really be nice if we all had a
complete listing of current paint codes numbers for Rootes paint codes.
Anyone know some? 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Ron Fraser
 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Dec 22 11:07:33 2019
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:07:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine Study
Message-ID: <000c01d5b8f2$b0a7c8c0$11f75a40$@bluefrog.com>

Tis' the season - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, everyone.

 

 

I'm still hunting for more proof of the Spring build of the B19KC engine
group.

Looking through TBON again I see there are many Tigers with Jensen Date of
Aug 1965 through Nov 1965 that have B19KC engines installed.  

This covers B19KC engines that were install prior to the Oct build of B19KC
engines.

 

The 1st line of the aluminum engine tag on the intake manifold will be - 260
65 5.

 

My best guess right now these are engine #s are B19KC 5565 - 6000.

A closer look in TBON shows these engines scattered through Vin # B382000164
through B382002085.

 

If you have one of these B19KC engines I hope you will participate in my
Engine Study.

Contact me off list for my easy to fill out Engine Study Worksheet.

 

I'm always looking for more information about all the Tiger Engine Groups
Too.

 

Thanks

Ron Fraser

rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> 

 

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Dec 22 11:20:32 2019
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
In-Reply-To: <1c8cdd73c7ed80e2e5e609ae53e502b6@socket.net>
References: <000201d5b8ee$d3681a80$7a384f80$@bluefrog.com>
 <1c8cdd73c7ed80e2e5e609ae53e502b6@socket.net>
Message-ID: <001b01d5b8f4$815bb660$84132320$@bluefrog.com>

Jim

                Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.

Forest Green - 86 ? GS280

 

Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make

 

Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H

 

Thanks again

Ron

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimmc13--- via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 1:07 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green

 

Ron;

I recently had my 1966 Tiger restored and we painted it original Rootes code 86.  So on December 31, 2013, the painter had some single stage touch up paint mixed at O'Reilly's Paint store in Columbia, Mo.  These guys have a great local reputation for color matching and mixing.  They nailed the color of the convertible top frame, light/medium gray for the Tiger.  They also nailed the factory color 86 with the help of the local DuPont rep.  The car is painted with DuPont Chroma Premier, base and Chroma Premier Clear for the second stage, 3 coats.  The Spectramaster code is GS280 and the single stage touch up is GS280IE.  The car is beautiful and has been shown at 2 of the last 3 Shelbyfests held locally inn Hermann, Mo and now Jefferson City, Mo.  Hope this helps.  Note that DuPont was bought out by Axalta.  I can send a couple pictures if you wish, esp since you are always a big help for us.

Jim McLaughlin

B382000175LRXFE

 

 

On 12/22/19, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:

Anyone know a current paint code # for Forest Green ? Rootes code 86?

I would like to do some touch up some paint chips in the spring.

 

I?m not sure my 45 year old Qt can of Sherwin William JX-9977 Forest Green will rejuvenate enough to use even as touch up paint.

A current paint code # would make it easier to purchase locally.

 

Actually, It would really be nice if we all had a complete listing of current paint codes numbers for Rootes paint codes.  Anyone know some?

 

Thanks 

Ron Fraser

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From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Dec 22 20:53:47 2019
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:53:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
In-Reply-To: <001b01d5b8f4$815bb660$84132320$@bluefrog.com>
References: <000201d5b8ee$d3681a80$7a384f80$@bluefrog.com>
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A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock 
concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.? 
There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very 
different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole 
point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the 
wrong color.? So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 
86 hue.

Chris Thompson

B382000331

On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>
> Jim
>
> ??????????????? Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my 
> local paint shop can recognize.
>
> Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
>
> Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the 
> local paint shop said they could make
>
> Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A? H
>
> Thanks again
>
> Ron
>
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Dec 22 21:07:04 2019
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
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Chris

                A very good point.

Different manufactures have slightly different hues and even different car companies have different hues for British Racing Green.

 

Having a current color code # gives you a good starting point, one which the paint shop can manipulate to the color on the car if needed.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> 
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:54 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; jimmc13 at socket.net
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green

 

A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.  So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.

Chris Thompson

B382000331

On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:

Jim

                Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.

Forest Green - 86 ? GS280

 

Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make

 

Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H

 

Thanks again

Ron

 

 

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From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Dec 22 21:31:11 2019
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:31:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
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If you are looking for touch-up paint, most body shops have had for some 
time scanners they can put on your paint and generate what they need to 
match what you've currently got.? About 15 years ago, I had a body shop 
do this and the match was perfect to my eye.? And I live in a *very* 
rural area with little resources.? So that's the way I would go...

B382000331

On 12/22/2019 11:07 PM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> Chris
>
> ??????????????? A very good point.
>
> Different manufactures have slightly different hues and even different 
> car companies have different hues for British Racing Green.
>
> Having a current color code # gives you a good starting point, one 
> which the paint shop can manipulate to the color on the car if needed.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> *From:* Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:54 PM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; jimmc13 at socket.net
> *Cc:* tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Forest Green
>
> A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock 
> concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.? 
> There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very 
> different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a 
> whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for 
> having the wrong color.? So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer 
> on the true 86 hue.
>
> Chris Thompson
>
> B382000331
>
> On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>
>     Jim
>
>     ??????????????? Thank you for your reply, great info this is a #
>     my local paint shop can recognize.
>
>     Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
>
>     Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which
>     the local paint shop said they could make
>
>     Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A? H
>
>     Thanks again
>
>     Ron
>
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Thu Dec 26 11:50:19 2019
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner e.coiner)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:50:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
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If you see a green Tiger and think to yourself,  "That is a really attractive shade of green. I like it!"  Its not original.

To my eye Forest Green is one of the most gawdawful shades of green on any car any where.

Erich

so thankful the previous owner resprayed my car to carnival red

> On December 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.  So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.
> 
>     Chris Thompson
> 
>     B382000331
> 
>     On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Jim
> > 
> >                         Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.
> > 
> >         Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Thanks again
> > 
> >         Ron
> > 
> >          
> > 
> > 
> >     > 


 

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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Dec 26 12:21:14 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 11:21:14 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
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Perfect!!!  I agree.  My recollection of "correct" 86 is a satin, muddy,
painted on a cloudy day green.  Not deep BRG.  Not crisp, shiny or smooth
green.  Definitely not the "green" version of Commodore Blue or Carnival
Red.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:50 AM e.coiner e.coiner via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> If you see a green Tiger and think to yourself,  "That is a really
> attractive shade of green. I like it!"  Its not original.
>
> To my eye Forest Green is one of the most gawdawful shades of green on any
> car any where.
>
> Erich
>
> so thankful the previous owner resprayed my car to carnival red
>
> On December 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM Chris Thompson via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock
> concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There
> were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different
> colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for
> missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.
> So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.
>
> Chris Thompson
>
> B382000331
> On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>
> Jim
>
>                 Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local
> paint shop can recognize.
>
> Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
>
>
>
> Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local
> paint shop said they could make
>
>
>
> Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H
>
>
>
> Thanks again
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From sabre2tgr at gmail.com  Thu Dec 26 13:03:29 2019
From: sabre2tgr at gmail.com (Stu)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 15:03:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
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One of our local owners had his Tiger repainted in what he said was an
exact match to his original 86.  To my eye, it looks closer to the old
military olive drab, than any nice green.  My original 86 green looked
greener than that, but I just picked a nicer green out of the sample book
and went with that.  Still happy with the results.

Stu

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:50 PM e.coiner e.coiner via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> If you see a green Tiger and think to yourself,  "That is a really
> attractive shade of green. I like it!"  Its not original.
>
> To my eye Forest Green is one of the most gawdawful shades of green on any
> car any where.
>
> Erich
>
> so thankful the previous owner resprayed my car to carnival red
>
> On December 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM Chris Thompson via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock
> concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There
> were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different
> colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for
> missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.
> So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.
>
> Chris Thompson
>
> B382000331
> On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>
> Jim
>
>                 Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local
> paint shop can recognize.
>
> Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
>
>
>
> Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local
> paint shop said they could make
>
>
>
> Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H
>
>
>
> Thanks again
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Thu Dec 26 13:25:00 2019
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 15:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
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There?s plenty of room for subjective color preferences - except on a concours line.

?Personal  preference green? should cost the car a point.

I believe this thread began with the observation that it didn?t - in my view reflecting badly on the judges 

-Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
Series I Alpine (v6)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2019, at 3:03 PM, Stu via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> One of our local owners had his Tiger repainted in what he said was an exact match to his original 86.  To my eye, it looks closer to the old military olive drab, than any nice green.  My original 86 green looked greener than that, but I just picked a nicer green out of the sample book and went with that.  Still happy with the results.
> 
> Stu
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:50 PM e.coiner e.coiner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> If you see a green Tiger and think to yourself,  "That is a really attractive shade of green. I like it!"  Its not original.
>> 
>> To my eye Forest Green is one of the most gawdawful shades of green on any car any where.
>> 
>> Erich
>> 
>> so thankful the previous owner resprayed my car to carnival red
>> 
>>> On December 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.  So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.
>>> 
>>> Chris Thompson
>>> 
>>> B382000331
>>> 
>>>> On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>>                 Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.
>>>> 
>>>> Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> 
>>>> Ron
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Dec 26 13:28:39 2019
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:28:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
In-Reply-To: <CA+DpG65RXXqZvV3+rJMW3_N2UMOzZTomk5Z8qb2GQ72MdeMKJg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <D7B765EC33F9439C87E74B8647B24E2F@user1PC>

I?m scanning back in my memory to recall Jay?s dad?s Tiger the times I saw it at Woodley Park (and for that matter when Jay had it at the Calabasas fire station).  It was, I thought a nice color. Likely my first color of choice for a factory Tiger color. Like many things Tiger it might be that each color batch was slightly different. And perhaps different UV exposure and even waxing treatments alter the shade. For those who know the off term for the acronym NTSC (Nation Television Standards Committee) you know what I mean.

From: Stu via Tigers 
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:03 PM
To: e.coiner e.coiner 
Cc: Chris Thompson via Tigers 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green

One of our local owners had his Tiger repainted in what he said was an exact match to his original 86.  To my eye, it looks closer to the old military olive drab, than any nice green.  My original 86 green looked greener than that, but I just picked a nicer green out of the sample book and went with that.  Still happy with the results.

Stu

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:50 PM e.coiner e.coiner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

  If you see a green Tiger and think to yourself,  "That is a really attractive shade of green. I like it!"  Its not original.

  To my eye Forest Green is one of the most gawdawful shades of green on any car any where.

  Erich

  so thankful the previous owner resprayed my car to carnival red

    On December 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: 


    A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.  So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.

    Chris Thompson

    B382000331


    On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: 

      Jim

                      Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.

      Forest Green - 86 ? GS280



      Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make



      Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H



      Thanks again

      Ron






   

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From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Thu Dec 26 14:34:03 2019
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Darrell Mountjoy)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:34:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
Message-ID: <03b701d5bc34$339d8460$9ad88d20$@cox.net>

FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a nice
"forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the true
spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to this
color.
Darrell 

Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
   2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
   3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)




From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Dec 26 14:55:29 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:55:29 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
In-Reply-To: <03b701d5bc34$339d8460$9ad88d20$@cox.net>
References: <03b701d5bc34$339d8460$9ad88d20$@cox.net>
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I think Darrell nailed it!  I think my dad's/my Tiger is that color, with
some, but not all of the milk removed.



On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Darrell Mountjoy via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a
> nice
> "forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
> I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the
> true
> spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
> color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to
> this
> color.
> Darrell
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
>    2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
>    3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)
>
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From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Thu Dec 26 15:18:32 2019
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Darrell Mountjoy)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 14:18:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z5cD6Oq=RbHv5wNz0FR4LV8aV_Lk-5DHO5froVAPfZNuw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <03d301d5bc3a$69f5f730$3de1e590$@cox.net>

BTW, Another thing I learned from the Brits, there is no standard for ?British Racing Green? (BRG) in the period of our cars? probably the same today.  Look at Aston Martin?s BRG. It is a relatively light, metallic green with a hint of blue.  Then the Lister BRG, Lotus? BRG, Morgan?s BRG (a color match for John Deere tractor green), and Rootes Group?s Forest Green. They are all very different greens.

 

From: Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:55 PM
To: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>
Cc: Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green

 

I think Darrell nailed it!  I think my dad's/my Tiger is that color, with some, but not all of the milk removed.

 

 

 

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Darrell Mountjoy via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a nice
"forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the true
spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to this
color.
Darrell 

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   1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
   2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
   3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)



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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Dec 26 15:23:00 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 14:23:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
In-Reply-To: <03d301d5bc3a$69f5f730$3de1e590$@cox.net>
References: <03b701d5bc34$339d8460$9ad88d20$@cox.net>
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My dad always preferred the Jaguar XK BRG, which he described as so dark
you'd almost think it was black.  Of course, he had a black XK120.  So I
guess he'd know.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 2:18 PM Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net> wrote:

> BTW, Another thing I learned from the Brits, there is no standard for
> ?British Racing Green? (BRG) in the period of our cars? probably the same
> today.  Look at Aston Martin?s BRG. It is a relatively light, metallic
> green with a hint of blue.  Then the Lister BRG, Lotus? BRG, Morgan?s BRG
> (a color match for John Deere tractor green), and Rootes Group?s Forest
> Green. They are all very different greens.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:55 PM
> *To:* Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>
> *Cc:* Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Forest green
>
>
>
> I think Darrell nailed it!  I think my dad's/my Tiger is that color, with
> some, but not all of the milk removed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Darrell Mountjoy via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a
> nice
> "forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
> I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the
> true
> spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
> color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to
> this
> color.
> Darrell
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
>    2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
>    3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)
>
>
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From jvparlanti at gmail.com  Thu Dec 26 15:43:45 2019
From: jvparlanti at gmail.com (Joe Parlanti)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:43:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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I'm with Darrell as well. I started looking at the Jaguar colors for my car
and settled on the 2001 Jaguar BRG that was used on the XK8s and XJRs of
that era. It sometimes looks a little too green in bright sunlight but in
all other lighting conditions it's a fantastic color in my book.

 

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Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 4:34 PM

To: tigers at autox.team.net

Subject: [Tigers] Forest green

 

FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a nice
"forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.

I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the true
spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to this
color.

Darrell 

 

Today's Topics:

 

   1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)

   2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)

   3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)

 

 

 

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From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Thu Dec 26 17:54:03 2019
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Darrell Mountjoy)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 16:54:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 344
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Tom,

I don't know the TV standards, but in the pre-computer days graphic arts
people, AIDs, etc. used a PMS system- Pantone Matching System, which was a
small index about 1-1/2" thick of standardized and color referenced chips.
One could spec out PMS Dl-134 for example, and anyone involved with a
project would know the exact color being referenced.  

>From Google: Search Results
The Pantone Matching System (PMS) is a color standardization system that
helps in color identification and matching. It uses the Pantone numbering
system to identify colors, and through this numbering system printer and
other equipment manufacturers can match colors without having to contact one
another.

Darrell

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:28:39 -0800
From: "Tom Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green
Message-ID: <D7B765EC33F9439C87E74B8647B24E2F at user1PC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I?m scanning back in my memory to recall Jay?s dad?s Tiger the times I saw
it at Woodley Park (and for that matter when Jay had it at the Calabasas
fire station).  It was, I thought a nice color. Likely my first color of
choice for a factory Tiger color. Like many things Tiger it might be that
each color batch was slightly different. And perhaps different UV exposure
and even waxing treatments alter the shade. For those who know the off term
for the acronym NTSC (Nation Television Standards Committee) you know what I
mean.



From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Dec 26 18:29:32 2019
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:29:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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Didn?t your father say it was original paint?
Rootes did change 86 over the years.
My MK1 was originally a little darker than the
later Simca(Chrysler) code 86 (at least the
Dupont replacement ).  Both are real close
though, Paul Reisentz used to call it
 ?muddy?.  I call it a complex Euro color. 
  I much prefer it to a pure green
like Jaguar.  To each his own ....
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I think Darrell nailed it!  I think my dad's/my Tiger is that color, with some, but not all of the milk removed.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Darrell Mountjoy via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a nice
>> "forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
>> I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the true
>> spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
>> color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to this
>> color.
>> Darrell 
>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>    1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
>>    2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
>>    3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)
>> 
>> 
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From mhourigan at bbetech.com.au  Thu Dec 26 18:46:28 2019
From: mhourigan at bbetech.com.au (=?utf-8?B?bWhvdXJpZ2FuQGJiZXRlY2guY29tLmF1?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 12:46:28 +1100
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Colour code 86 Forest Green was Rootes poor attempt at BRG. If you want a great authentic British Green go for BRG, very common on Jaguars etc.
Matt H

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:28:39 -0800
From: "Tom Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green
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I?m scanning back in my memory to recall Jay?s dad?s Tiger the times I saw it at Woodley Park (and for that matter when Jay had it at the Calabasas fire station).  It was, I thought a nice color. Likely my first color of choice for a factory Tiger color. Like many things Tiger it might be that each color batch was slightly different. And perhaps different UV exposure and even waxing treatments alter the shade. For those who know the off term for the acronym NTSC (Nation Television Standards Committee) you know what I mean.

From: Stu via Tigers 
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:03 PM
To: e.coiner e.coiner 
Cc: Chris Thompson via Tigers 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green

One of our local owners had his Tiger repainted in what he said was an exact match to his original 86.  To my eye, it looks closer to the old military olive drab, than any nice green.  My original 86 green looked greener than that, but I just picked a nicer green out of the sample book and went with that.  Still happy with the results.

Stu

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:50 PM e.coiner e.coiner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

If you see a green Tiger and think to yourself,  "That is a really attractive shade of green. I like it!"  Its not original.

To my eye Forest Green is one of the most gawdawful shades of green on any car any where.

Erich

so thankful the previous owner resprayed my car to carnival red

On December 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: 


A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.  So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.

Chris Thompson

B382000331


On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: 

Jim

Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.

Forest Green - 86 ? GS280



Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make



Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H



Thanks again

Ron








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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:34:03 -0800
From: "Darrell Mountjoy" <dsmtjoy at cox.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a nice
"forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the true
spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to this
color.
Darrell 

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:55:29 -0800
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green
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I think Darrell nailed it!  I think my dad's/my Tiger is that color, with
some, but not all of the milk removed.



On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Darrell Mountjoy via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a
> nice
> "forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
> I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the
> true
> spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
> color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to
> this
> color.
> Darrell
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
>    2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
>    3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 14:18:32 -0800
From: "Darrell Mountjoy" <dsmtjoy at cox.net>
To: "'Jay Laifman'" <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
Cc: "'Tiger's Den'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

BTW, Another thing I learned from the Brits, there is no standard for ?British Racing Green? (BRG) in the period of our cars? probably the same today.  Look at Aston Martin?s BRG. It is a relatively light, metallic green with a hint of blue.  Then the Lister BRG, Lotus? BRG, Morgan?s BRG (a color match for John Deere tractor green), and Rootes Group?s Forest Green. They are all very different greens.



From: Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:55 PM
To: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>
Cc: Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green



I think Darrell nailed it!  I think my dad's/my Tiger is that color, with some, but not all of the milk removed.







On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Darrell Mountjoy via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a nice
"forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the true
spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to this
color.
Darrell 

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1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)



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My dad did think it was correct.  I know he repainted the car.  Under the
hard top cover it is still the original green.  I haven't looked under
there in forever.  Next time I lower the car I'll check it out (it's on a
lift).  And don't get me wrong, I do love it.  The car looks great.  It's
just that it's a bit more dry English than the other BRGs - and I do think
his/mine is a shade less milky or muddy than I've seen before as stock.  I
know that's a very bad sensor!  I've attached a picture in very bright sun,
in case we can send pictures in this group.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 5:29 PM Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

> Didn?t your father say it was original paint?
> Rootes did change 86 over the years.
> My MK1 was originally a little darker than the
> later Simca(Chrysler) code 86 (at least the
> Dupont replacement ).  Both are real close
> though, Paul Reisentz used to call it
>  ?muddy?.  I call it a complex Euro color.
>   I much prefer it to a pure green
> like Jaguar.  To each his own ....
> Gary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 26, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> I think Darrell nailed it!  I think my dad's/my Tiger is that color, with
> some, but not all of the milk removed.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Darrell Mountjoy via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> FWIW, to me, the color code *86 Foirest Green looks like someone took a
>> nice
>> "forest green" and dumped some milk in it.  Not pretty.
>> I much prefer the 1971-1972 Jaguar Racing Green.  To me it embodies the
>> true
>> spirit of a British Racing Green.  As it happens my street Tiger is this
>> color.  Also, all three Sunbeam Lister Tigers are just about spot-on to
>> this
>> color.
>> Darrell
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Re: Forest Green (Jay Laifman)
>>    2. Re: Forest Green (Stu)
>>    3. Re: Forest Green (Allan Ballard)
>>
>>
>>
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Dec 26 19:14:31 2019
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:14:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Paint code 86
Message-ID: <7542D428-E91E-4977-A57A-7AA5A1F40C6E@comcast.net>

Here is mine and another with the identical pretty correct
code 86 Forest Green.   Nice complex euro
color ?. Photo at Cars and Coffee Folsom, CA.
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Dec 26 19:25:01 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:25:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Paint code 86
In-Reply-To: <7542D428-E91E-4977-A57A-7AA5A1F40C6E@comcast.net>
References: <7542D428-E91E-4977-A57A-7AA5A1F40C6E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z5DXvsKZ-LMHBCZsQkCcNgX7CvBZqGZqye91RxStajkyQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know that pictures vary by camera, daylight, and computer screen.  But I
will say that the car in the foreground looks exactly to me like what I
think factory 86 is.  And when I put it next to the picture of my Tiger, I
think the prior comments are true - mine is just a shade less milk, but
still has some.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 6:19 PM Gary via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Here is mine and another with the identical pretty correct
> code 86 Forest Green.   Nice complex euro
> color ?. Photo at Cars and Coffee Folsom, CA.
> Gary Winblad
>
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>
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Dec 26 19:26:03 2019
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:26:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
In-Reply-To: <813788020.368279.1577386219093@myemail.cox.net>
References: <813788020.368279.1577386219093@myemail.cox.net>
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LOL
Like I say, to each his own.
To my eyes, The only way you could call
Carnival Red RED is if you considered that it
was faded and rusted.  It is really Carnival
Orange.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2019, at 10:50 AM, e.coiner e.coiner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> If you see a green Tiger and think to yourself,  "That is a really attractive shade of green. I like it!"  Its not original.
> 
> To my eye Forest Green is one of the most gawdawful shades of green on any car any where.
> 
> Erich
> 
> so thankful the previous owner resprayed my car to carnival red
> 
>>> On December 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.  So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.
>>> 
>>> Chris Thompson
>>> 
>>> B382000331
>>> 
>>>> On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote: 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>>                 Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.
>>>> 
>>>> Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> 
>>>> Ron
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Dec 26 19:33:54 2019
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:33:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Paint code 86
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z5DXvsKZ-LMHBCZsQkCcNgX7CvBZqGZqye91RxStajkyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree Jay.
Both cars are identical Dupont acrylic lacquer
replacement 86 from 1979-1992 (I sprayed
it myself).  Your dad probably matched the
original, which I see his is a MK1 like mine.
Mine was slightly darker and maybe a little
less milky.  I like the milk though!
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I know that pictures vary by camera, daylight, and computer screen.  But I will say that the car in the foreground looks exactly to me like what I think factory 86 is.  And when I put it next to the picture of my Tiger, I think the prior comments are true - mine is just a shade less milk, but still has some.
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 6:19 PM Gary via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Here is mine and another with the identical pretty correct
>> code 86 Forest Green.   Nice complex euro
>> color ?. Photo at Cars and Coffee Folsom, CA.
>> Gary Winblad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Dec 26 19:37:56 2019
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 10:37:56 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Paint code 86
In-Reply-To: <8F6DCBF1-D269-445F-8B64-266A8824057E@comcast.net>
References: <CAAjp1z5DXvsKZ-LMHBCZsQkCcNgX7CvBZqGZqye91RxStajkyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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The rootes forests green is a murky colour when seen in clear sunlight.

The following photos are an original paint 86 MKI.... All the same car.. As
you can see the light its photographed in makes a big difference...but in
person on a clear day its a more muddy green



On Fri., 27 Dec. 2019, 10:34 Gary via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I agree Jay.
> Both cars are identical Dupont acrylic lacquer
> replacement 86 from 1979-1992 (I sprayed
> it myself).  Your dad probably matched the
> original, which I see his is a MK1 like mine.
> Mine was slightly darker and maybe a little
> less milky.  I like the milk though!
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 26, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I know that pictures vary by camera, daylight, and computer screen.  But I
> will say that the car in the foreground looks exactly to me like what I
> think factory 86 is.  And when I put it next to the picture of my Tiger, I
> think the prior comments are true - mine is just a shade less milk, but
> still has some.
>
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 6:19 PM Gary via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Here is mine and another with the identical pretty correct
>> code 86 Forest Green.   Nice complex euro
>> color ?. Photo at Cars and Coffee Folsom, CA.
>> Gary Winblad
>>
>>
>>
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Dec 26 19:48:35 2019
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:48:35 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Paint code 86
In-Reply-To: <8F6DCBF1-D269-445F-8B64-266A8824057E@comcast.net>
References: <CAAjp1z5DXvsKZ-LMHBCZsQkCcNgX7CvBZqGZqye91RxStajkyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I?m glad someone else likes the color (86) too. There are blues (I believe 60?s-70?s Renaults), VW used a burnt orange not to long ago that seem to fall into a similar, slightly altered from the norm appearance as 86. To each their own for preference though I doubt 86 was a failed attempt by Rootes to replicate BRG. I?m thinking either they were trying to be different..., or they got a great deal on the color.

Regarding my comment about NTSC (National Television Standards Committee) because of the way old school TV worked it was often joking referred to as ?Never Twice (the) Same Color.

From: Gary via Tigers 
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:33 PM
To: Jay Laifman 
Cc: Tigers 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Paint code 86

I agree Jay. 
Both cars are identical Dupont acrylic lacquer
replacement 86 from 1979-1992 (I sprayed
it myself).  Your dad probably matched the
original, which I see his is a MK1 like mine.
Mine was slightly darker and maybe a little
less milky.  I like the milk though!
Gary


Sent from my iPhone


  On Dec 26, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:


  ? 
  I know that pictures vary by camera, daylight, and computer screen.  But I will say that the car in the foreground looks exactly to me like what I think factory 86 is.  And when I put it next to the picture of my Tiger, I think the prior comments are true - mine is just a shade less milk, but still has some.

  On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 6:19 PM Gary via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

    Here is mine and another with the identical pretty correct
    code 86 Forest Green.   Nice complex euro
    color ?. Photo at Cars and Coffee Folsom, CA.
    Gary Winblad



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From e.coiner at cox.net  Fri Dec 27 15:18:31 2019
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner e.coiner)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 17:18:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
In-Reply-To: <BCEDBE99-C22B-4E40-A9AE-EDBF8472E378@comcast.net>
References: <813788020.368279.1577386219093@myemail.cox.net>
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Oh I agree. It is a very orange red.

But then again, I really like Ford Mustangs in Poppy red and Signal flare red.  Both very orangy.

My 66 Mustang is Candyapple Red and that is a no excuses REDDDD

> On December 26, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>     LOL
>     Like I say, to each his own.
>     To my eyes, The only way you could call
>     Carnival Red RED is if you considered that it
>     was faded and rusted.  It is really Carnival
>     Orange.
>     Gary
> 
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>         > > On Dec 26, 2019, at 10:50 AM, e.coiner e.coiner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > 
> >         If you see a green Tiger and think to yourself,  "That is a really attractive shade of green. I like it!"  Its not original.
> > 
> >         To my eye Forest Green is one of the most gawdawful shades of green on any car any where.
> > 
> >         Erich
> > 
> >         so thankful the previous owner resprayed my car to carnival red
> > 
> >             > > > On December 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.  So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on the true 86 hue.
> > > 
> > >             Chris Thompson
> > > 
> > >             B382000331
> > > 
> > >             On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 Jim
> > > > 
> > > >                                 Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.
> > > > 
> > > >                 Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
> > > > 
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >                 Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make
> > > > 
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >                 Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H
> > > > 
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >                 Thanks again
> > > > 
> > > >                 Ron
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> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > >         > > 
> > 
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 15:53:49 2019
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 17:53:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Paint code 86
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snXN-EAiyK6dMWhBsmE5JoMhjYcNN_Oi_nWd2b_PXGGUgw@mail.gmail.com>
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To get the Correct #86 take out the hood latch pan and turn it over, then
use polishing compound to clean it. Next take it to an automotive paint
store and have them match the green. We did this on my S2 for #30 sea crest
green, it took them 10 spray outs to get it right, but it IS right.
   Jeff

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 9:52 PM michael king via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> The rootes forests green is a murky colour when seen in clear sunlight.
>
> The following photos are an original paint 86 MKI.... All the same car..
> As you can see the light its photographed in makes a big difference...but
> in person on a clear day its a more muddy green
>
>
>
> On Fri., 27 Dec. 2019, 10:34 Gary via Tigers, <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree Jay.
>> Both cars are identical Dupont acrylic lacquer
>> replacement 86 from 1979-1992 (I sprayed
>> it myself).  Your dad probably matched the
>> original, which I see his is a MK1 like mine.
>> Mine was slightly darker and maybe a little
>> less milky.  I like the milk though!
>> Gary
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I know that pictures vary by camera, daylight, and computer screen.  But
>> I will say that the car in the foreground looks exactly to me like what I
>> think factory 86 is.  And when I put it next to the picture of my Tiger, I
>> think the prior comments are true - mine is just a shade less milk, but
>> still has some.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 6:19 PM Gary via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is mine and another with the identical pretty correct
>>> code 86 Forest Green.   Nice complex euro
>>> color ?. Photo at Cars and Coffee Folsom, CA.
>>> Gary Winblad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________
>>>
>>> tigers at autox.team.net
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From gharlowe at comcast.net  Sat Dec 28 15:37:55 2019
From: gharlowe at comcast.net (gharlowe at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 17:37:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Carb Cleaning 101 :  Edelbrock 600 CFM
Message-ID: <000001d5bdcf$737c3ee0$5a74bca0$@comcast.net>

Listers -

 

I went to start the Tiger for the first time in about 2 months (nice day
here in Maryland!) and it just wouldn't fire.   I determined it wasn't
getting any gas.   Fuel is getting to the carb from the pump, but there's
nothing coming out of the jets when I pump the throttle linkage.   The carb
has been on the car for over 10 years.   I assume 10 years of gunk, ethanol,
varnish and just sitting in the garage has clogged everything up.  I'm
hesitant to start disassembling the carb if there's a less intrusive path to
take first.   (The last time I tried to overhaul a carb was helping a high
school buddy with his Plymouth slant 6 and it didn't end well.)  Has anyone
had any luck just soaking a whole carb (carb cleaner, acetone, etc.) and
then re-installing?    Any other tips/tricks?  

 

Thanks much, 

 

Graham Harlowe

B82001466

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From coolvt at aol.com  Sat Dec 28 15:46:07 2019
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 22:46:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Carb Cleaning 101 :  Edelbrock 600 CFM
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I've had the carbs from small engines like snow blowers and lawnmowers plug up. Never tried soaking them. I had a small engine repair shop use, I think it's called, an ultrasonic gadget. You could see the crap floating out of the carb. They charge $40-50 for this service? ?Might not hurt to try soaking to see if that will clean it out. Mark L
In a message dated 12/28/2019 5:38:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:


Listers ?

?

I went to start the Tiger for the first time in about 2 months (nice day here in Maryland!) and it just wouldn?t fire.?? I determined it wasn?t getting any gas.? ?Fuel is getting to the carb from the pump, but there?s nothing coming out of the jets when I pump the throttle linkage.? ?The carb has been on the car for over 10 years.? ?I assume 10 years of gunk, ethanol, varnish and just sitting in the garage has clogged everything up.? I?m hesitant to start disassembling the carb if there?s a less intrusive path to take first.?? (The last time I tried to overhaul a carb was helping a high school buddy with his Plymouth slant 6 and it didn?t end well.)? Has anyone had any luck just soaking a whole carb (carb cleaner, acetone, etc.) and then re-installing???? Any other tips/tricks??

?

Thanks much,

?

Graham Harlowe

B82001466
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Dec 28 16:34:54 2019
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 15:34:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Carb Cleaning 101 : Edelbrock 600 CFM
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Graham,
I have written about this before on this list.
I believe you have the same problem I have with my old Holley 2bbl.
The problem I believe is the gasohol we get nowadays.? When it evaporates,
it leaves a sticky residue.? My Holley has a small check valve under the 
accelerator
pump discharge nozzles.? I can pull off the air cleaner, remove the 
nozzle and "jiggle"
the check valve (conical metal piece) with a small screwdriver, put it 
back in about
a 5minute pit stop.? Then it starts up just fine.? An alternate 
procedure is to turn
on the fuel pump to fill the carb the night before (or maybe an hour 
before) and let
it soak...? works most times.
The problem is worse the longer since you drove it and is worse here in 
CA with the
winter blend gas that has even more alcohol.
Fuel injectors are strong enough to break the stick so we don't have 
this problem with
modern cars.?? The alcohol is supposedly added to make old cars run 
cleaner.. I guess
so if they stay broken in the garage...
Gary


> Listers ?
>
> I went to start the Tiger for the first time in about 2 months (nice 
> day here in Maryland!) and it just wouldn?t fire.?? I determined it 
> wasn?t getting any gas. ?Fuel is getting to the carb from the pump, 
> but there?s nothing coming out of the jets when I pump the throttle 
> linkage.? ?The carb has been on the car for over 10 years.? ?I assume 
> 10 years of gunk, ethanol, varnish and just sitting in the garage has 
> clogged everything up.? I?m hesitant to start disassembling the carb 
> if there?s a less intrusive path to take first.?? (The last time I 
> tried to overhaul a carb was helping a high school buddy with his 
> Plymouth slant 6 and it didn?t end well.)? Has anyone had any luck 
> just soaking a whole carb (carb cleaner, acetone, etc.) and then 
> re-installing???? Any other tips/tricks?
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Graham Harlowe
>
> B82001466
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From huffb at southslope.net  Sat Dec 28 16:38:00 2019
From: huffb at southslope.net (Brad Huff)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 17:38:00 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock Carbs (carb cleaning 101)
Message-ID: <2C9565C9B4C744BEA361412AAEBEAE7D@BradHuffPC>

This post got me thinking about the Edelbrock carbs. That statement says a lot as I have always been a Holley fan. I was ready to pull the trigger on an Edelbrock AVS 2 carb. A lot going for it with the annular primary boosters etc. I then started doing a little research on the carbs and found that several people were having hot soak issues and fuel evaporation issues. Problems starting the engine if the cars sat for a week or so. I am very disappointed if this is the case because the claim is that the idle and midrange performance is almost as good as EFI.  Doesn?t seem to be as much of a problem if you are running an electric fuel pump so that you can refill the bowls. My Tiger has a HP289 with a Holley 715 cfm vacuum carb on it. The same carb that Ford used on the 68 Shelby GT-350. Can?t imagine it running any better, but I thought that I would give the Edelbrock a try on my 66 Mustang. With the Tiger having a smaller tighter engine compartment I could see a hot soak problem occurring. Any thoughts?-Brad
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Dec 28 17:25:30 2019
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 16:25:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock Carbs (carb cleaning 101)
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I have Edelbrock?s on three of my cars. I find the accelerator pumps go bad rather fast. And for those that detest removing Holley pump diaphragms from the bottom, well the linkage to change the accelerator pump on the Edelbrock is even more frustrating. Sadly it is just the little cup on the end that goes bad but Edelbrock only sells the whole accelerator pump with the stem etc. and it is $15+, far more than those on a Holley.  I believe there is a Marine version and from what I?ve read that accelerator  pump is ?suppose? to last longer.

If you have a fuel filter between the electric fuel pump and the carburetor try replacing that. I know you said there is fuel to the carb, but was that based on hearing the fuel pump run?  I?ve had cars that ran a week or so prior have the sediment in the fuel filter solidify because it was not ?churning? like it was with daily use.

From: Brad Huff via Tigers 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 3:38 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net 
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock Carbs (carb cleaning 101)

This post got me thinking about the Edelbrock carbs. That statement says a lot as I have always been a Holley fan. I was ready to pull the trigger on an Edelbrock AVS 2 carb. A lot going for it with the annular primary boosters etc. I then started doing a little research on the carbs and found that several people were having hot soak issues and fuel evaporation issues. Problems starting the engine if the cars sat for a week or so. I am very disappointed if this is the case because the claim is that the idle and midrange performance is almost as good as EFI.  Doesn?t seem to be as much of a problem if you are running an electric fuel pump so that you can refill the bowls. My Tiger has a HP289 with a Holley 715 cfm vacuum carb on it. The same carb that Ford used on the 68 Shelby GT-350. Can?t imagine it running any better, but I thought that I would give the Edelbrock a try on my 66 Mustang. With the Tiger having a smaller tighter engine compartment I could see a hot soak problem occurring. Any thoughts?-Brad


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Dec 28 17:25:55 2019
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 19:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Carb Cleaning 101 :  Edelbrock 600 CFM
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Graham

                You did not say what carb you have.

If you have the Autolite carb - that the top off the carb and see what it
looks like in the fuel bowl.

 

Accelerator pump is simple - diaphragm, spring and one way valve seal - if
it is not pumping there is a hole in the diaphragm or seal or the passage to
the nozzles are plugged.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of gharlowe--- via
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 5:38 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Carb Cleaning 101 : Edelbrock 600 CFM

 

Listers -

 

I went to start the Tiger for the first time in about 2 months (nice day
here in Maryland!) and it just wouldn't fire.   I determined it wasn't
getting any gas.   Fuel is getting to the carb from the pump, but there's
nothing coming out of the jets when I pump the throttle linkage.   The carb
has been on the car for over 10 years.   I assume 10 years of gunk, ethanol,
varnish and just sitting in the garage has clogged everything up.  I'm
hesitant to start disassembling the carb if there's a less intrusive path to
take first.   (The last time I tried to overhaul a carb was helping a high
school buddy with his Plymouth slant 6 and it didn't end well.)  Has anyone
had any luck just soaking a whole carb (carb cleaner, acetone, etc.) and
then re-installing?    Any other tips/tricks?  

 

Thanks much, 

 

Graham Harlowe

B82001466

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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Mon Dec 23 04:48:37 2019
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 06:48:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green
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Jan Servaites (Jumping Jan) at SAOCA sells chips with the correct Rootes colors, including Forest Green 86.

I got one for Forest Green from him.

Concours judges ?should? be able to spot it.

-Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
Series I Alpine (v6)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2019, at 11:31 PM, Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> If you are looking for touch-up paint, most body shops have had for some time scanners they can put on your paint and generate what they need to match what you've currently got.  About 15 years ago, I had a body shop do this and the match was perfect to my eye.  And I live in a *very* rural area with little resources.  So that's the way I would go...
> 
> B382000331
> 
>> On 12/22/2019 11:07 PM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>> Chris
>>                 A very good point.
>> Different manufactures have slightly different hues and even different car companies have different hues for British Racing Green.
>>  
>> Having a current color code # gives you a good starting point, one which the paint shop can manipulate to the color on the car if needed.
>>  
>> Ron Fraser
>>  
>> From: Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net> 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:54 PM
>> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; jimmc13 at socket.net
>> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green
>>  
>> A couple years ago at the TE/AE United, I entered my car in the stock concours category just to get some tips on originality for my car.  There were three of us there with Code 86 cars, and we were all very different colors. In the stock category! And while I was pinged a whole point for missing a wiring clip, none of us were pinged for having the wrong color.  So I'm not sure you'll get a straight answer on           the true 86 hue.
>> 
>> Chris Thompson
>> 
>> B382000331
>> 
>> On 12/22/2019 1:20 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>> Jim
>>                 Thank you for your reply, great info this is a # my local paint shop can recognize.
>> Forest Green - 86 ? GS280
>>  
>> Here is one I received a long time ago for Commodore Blue which the local paint shop said they could make
>>  
>> Commodore Blue ? 106 ? BS616A  H
>>  
>> Thanks again
>> Ron
>>  
>>  
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From chris at cthompson.net  Thu Dec 26 19:35:10 2019
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 21:35:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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When I repainted my Lotus Formula Ford, I painted it Jaguar BRG (and 
John Deere yellow).? It was very close to the BRG on the Tiger as I 
received it 30 years ago or so. I should not have said that none of us 
got pinged any points - I can't swear by the others.? I can only swear I 
wasn't pinged any points at the concours for what I know is not the 
stock color.

But what my original point was is that getting touch-up paint for 
original color code 86 is not likely to help you as I suspect at this 
point few green cars still have this original shade.

B382000331


From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Dec 29 08:41:14 2019
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 10:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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Chris
	These are all good points.

I started this subject mostly because all the paint codes we have for the Rootes paints do not compute into today's paint codes.
The color atlas at the paint store has over 200 shades of green.
The CA280 paint code for Forest Green gives me a starting point for a color mix the paint store recognizes that may or may not need tweaking for a color match.

I also stated that I would be nice to have a modern paint code for all the Rootes paint colors so everyone has a starting point to touch up their paint or more.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:35 PM
To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>; Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>; Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green

When I repainted my Lotus Formula Ford, I painted it Jaguar BRG (and John Deere yellow).  It was very close to the BRG on the Tiger as I received it 30 years ago or so. I should not have said that none of us got pinged any points - I can't swear by the others.  I can only swear I wasn't pinged any points at the concours for what I know is not the stock color.

But what my original point was is that getting touch-up paint for original color code 86 is not likely to help you as I suspect at this point few green cars still have this original shade.

B382000331

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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 29 10:34:30 2019
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:34:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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When I did the restoration of my car I went to SAOCA to get a disks that
was color copies of the paint codes I needed.  These disks were a match to
colors taken from portions of the cars that had never been exposed to sun.
I have a disk for Seafoam Grey and Commodore Blue.  They are perfect
matches to the original colors.

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Chris
>         These are all good points.
>
> I started this subject mostly because all the paint codes we have for the
> Rootes paints do not compute into today's paint codes.
> The color atlas at the paint store has over 200 shades of green.
> The CA280 paint code for Forest Green gives me a starting point for a
> color mix the paint store recognizes that may or may not need tweaking for
> a color match.
>
> I also stated that I would be nice to have a modern paint code for all the
> Rootes paint colors so everyone has a starting point to touch up their
> paint or more.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
> via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:35 PM
> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>; Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> Cc: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>; Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green
>
> When I repainted my Lotus Formula Ford, I painted it Jaguar BRG (and John
> Deere yellow).  It was very close to the BRG on the Tiger as I received it
> 30 years ago or so. I should not have said that none of us got pinged any
> points - I can't swear by the others.  I can only swear I wasn't pinged any
> points at the concours for what I know is not the stock color.
>
> But what my original point was is that getting touch-up paint for original
> color code 86 is not likely to help you as I suspect at this point few
> green cars still have this original shade.
>
> B382000331
>
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From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:34:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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When I did the restoration of my car I went to SAOCA to get a disks that
was color copies of the paint codes I needed.  These disks were a match to
colors taken from portions of the cars that had never been exposed to sun.
I have a disk for Seafoam Grey and Commodore Blue.  They are perfect
matches to the original colors.

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Chris
>         These are all good points.
>
> I started this subject mostly because all the paint codes we have for the
> Rootes paints do not compute into today's paint codes.
> The color atlas at the paint store has over 200 shades of green.
> The CA280 paint code for Forest Green gives me a starting point for a
> color mix the paint store recognizes that may or may not need tweaking for
> a color match.
>
> I also stated that I would be nice to have a modern paint code for all the
> Rootes paint colors so everyone has a starting point to touch up their
> paint or more.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
> via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:35 PM
> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>; Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> Cc: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>; Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green
>
> When I repainted my Lotus Formula Ford, I painted it Jaguar BRG (and John
> Deere yellow).  It was very close to the BRG on the Tiger as I received it
> 30 years ago or so. I should not have said that none of us got pinged any
> points - I can't swear by the others.  I can only swear I wasn't pinged any
> points at the concours for what I know is not the stock color.
>
> But what my original point was is that getting touch-up paint for original
> color code 86 is not likely to help you as I suspect at this point few
> green cars still have this original shade.
>
> B382000331
>
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>
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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 29 10:34:30 2019
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:34:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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When I did the restoration of my car I went to SAOCA to get a disks that
was color copies of the paint codes I needed.  These disks were a match to
colors taken from portions of the cars that had never been exposed to sun.
I have a disk for Seafoam Grey and Commodore Blue.  They are perfect
matches to the original colors.

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Chris
>         These are all good points.
>
> I started this subject mostly because all the paint codes we have for the
> Rootes paints do not compute into today's paint codes.
> The color atlas at the paint store has over 200 shades of green.
> The CA280 paint code for Forest Green gives me a starting point for a
> color mix the paint store recognizes that may or may not need tweaking for
> a color match.
>
> I also stated that I would be nice to have a modern paint code for all the
> Rootes paint colors so everyone has a starting point to touch up their
> paint or more.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
> via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:35 PM
> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>; Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> Cc: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>; Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green
>
> When I repainted my Lotus Formula Ford, I painted it Jaguar BRG (and John
> Deere yellow).  It was very close to the BRG on the Tiger as I received it
> 30 years ago or so. I should not have said that none of us got pinged any
> points - I can't swear by the others.  I can only swear I wasn't pinged any
> points at the concours for what I know is not the stock color.
>
> But what my original point was is that getting touch-up paint for original
> color code 86 is not likely to help you as I suspect at this point few
> green cars still have this original shade.
>
> B382000331
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:34:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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When I did the restoration of my car I went to SAOCA to get a disks that
was color copies of the paint codes I needed.  These disks were a match to
colors taken from portions of the cars that had never been exposed to sun.
I have a disk for Seafoam Grey and Commodore Blue.  They are perfect
matches to the original colors.

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Chris
>         These are all good points.
>
> I started this subject mostly because all the paint codes we have for the
> Rootes paints do not compute into today's paint codes.
> The color atlas at the paint store has over 200 shades of green.
> The CA280 paint code for Forest Green gives me a starting point for a
> color mix the paint store recognizes that may or may not need tweaking for
> a color match.
>
> I also stated that I would be nice to have a modern paint code for all the
> Rootes paint colors so everyone has a starting point to touch up their
> paint or more.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
> via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:35 PM
> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>; Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> Cc: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>; Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green
>
> When I repainted my Lotus Formula Ford, I painted it Jaguar BRG (and John
> Deere yellow).  It was very close to the BRG on the Tiger as I received it
> 30 years ago or so. I should not have said that none of us got pinged any
> points - I can't swear by the others.  I can only swear I wasn't pinged any
> points at the concours for what I know is not the stock color.
>
> But what my original point was is that getting touch-up paint for original
> color code 86 is not likely to help you as I suspect at this point few
> green cars still have this original shade.
>
> B382000331
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From deiland1 at att.net  Sun Dec 29 14:33:45 2019
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 21:33:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Information request on Tiger Owner
References: <259699022.4705548.1577655225724.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <259699022.4705548.1577655225724@mail.yahoo.com>

Has anyone heard of a Ronald Dowling? He says he has a 1965 Tiger for sale, but the price is too good to be true. He says he is from Youngstown, Ohio 44513. Anyone familiar with this person or his car if they really exist?
TIA,
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sun Dec 29 14:53:09 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 13:53:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Information request on Tiger Owner
In-Reply-To: <259699022.4705548.1577655225724@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hopefully not this guy!
https://www.thorn-blackfuneralhomes.com/obituary/ronald-dowling

Or actually, could it be his family, and they don't know the value?

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 1:34 PM Daniel Eiland via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Has anyone heard of a Ronald Dowling? He says he has a 1965 Tiger for
> sale, but the price is too good to be true. He says he is from Youngstown,
> Ohio 44513. Anyone familiar with this person or his car if they really
> exist?
>
> TIA,
>
> Dan
> _______________________________________________
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From jimmc13 at socket.net  Sun Dec 29 18:05:14 2019
From: jimmc13 at socket.net (jimmc13 at socket.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 19:05:14 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Forest green
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Evening folks: 

I am thinking that most of you might read this as I
have been following the posts regarding Rootes paint codes. Centered
around Code 86, Forest Green, however this applies to most of the paint
they used in the 60's. 

I have a RHD Alpine of which I am the second
owner/custodian, it too is paint code 86 and has not been painted. I
noted the discussion about the milky color that Sunbeams seemed to
attained about the time we acquired them. I had shown my 1965 RHD Alpine
to the painter that works on my vintage cars and any newer owns. His
first comment was the paint had faded because it was alkaline based.
This caused the 'milky' look as the paint aged. Painting has progressed
and colors have become more vibrant and true, the GS280 code I used to
restore my 1966 tiger is true to Rootes code 86 as I know the research
that went into to matching it along with the matching paint chip I
personally researched when looking for paint. I know the 2 DuPont reps
that completed the research using old paint charts and codes since they
had them from the 60's. I believe at lease part of the key is the
alkaline based since the fade factor was directly impacted by sunlight,
something that has long since been taken care of by new paint
compositions. 

It is good to retain the history of our historic
vehicles. 

Jim McLaughlin 

B382000175 LRXFE 

1965 RHD Alpine 

1967
LHD Alpine 35,500 original miles, classic sound! 

On 12/29/19, Ron
Fraser via Tigers wrote: 

> Chris
> These are all good points. I
started this subject mostly because all the paint codes we have for the
Rootes paints do not compute into today's paint codes.
> The color atlas
at the paint store has over 200 shades of green.
> The CA280 paint code
for Forest Green gives me a starting point for a color mix the paint
store recognizes that may or may not need tweaking for a color match.
>

> I also stated that I would be nice to have a modern paint code for
all the Rootes paint colors so everyone has a starting point to touch up
their paint or more.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:35 PM
> To: Jay Laifman
<jay.laifman at gmail.com>; Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> Cc: Darrell
Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>; Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest green
> 
> When I repainted my Lotus
Formula Ford, I painted it Jaguar BRG (and John Deere yellow). It was
very close to the BRG on the Tiger as I received it 30 years ago or so.
I should not have said that none of us got pinged any points - I can't
swear by the others. I can only swear I wasn't pinged any points at the
concours for what I know is not the stock color.
> 
> But what my
original point was is that getting touch-up paint for original color
code 86 is not likely to help you as I suspect at this point few green
cars still have this original shade.
> 
> B382000331
> 
>
_______________________________________________
> 
>
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Mon Dec 30 12:51:59 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:51:59 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z45HAJza1auCBOuNQ26ZVFY-EHmO+Lb9M+hD22XLKPtcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop here
and delete.  I am just reaching out to the broader English car world to
help us find a missing part.

We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of
restoring it.  There were only 28 of these made.  When new, the ones set up
for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.  None of the current cars still have
the wiper.  Our car was set up for FIA racing and in fact did FIA racing.
So we want to get that wiper again.  It is super short - not just the blade
but the arm too.

Attached is a picture of our car in period.  It's about the best picture of
any of the cars showing the wiper.  Anyone have any thoughts?  I've looked
at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., that I can find.  And gone to
all the suppliers and looked at their catalogs.  Nothing jumps out as small
enough.  It is possible that they got one of the stock ones, and just cut
it down.  Someone just said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd
seen was on a big Healey.  Note too that ours was not the only one that was
all black.

Thanks for any thoughts.  And apologies to anyone offended.

Jay
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Dec 30 12:56:52 2019
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1577732402.4361.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7.1577732402.4361.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Hello all,
I bought my Tiger in 1976, and the guy that I bought it from had executed a new exterior paint job that was really nice (it covered over the rust quite well!). To hide the surface rust in the trunk, he coated it with some tarry substance that has NEVER set up; still stickyish. Time to fix this mess.
Several years ago, in Auto Restorer magazine there was an article about a guy in Colorado that had a Dry Ice Blasting system in the back of his open bed truck. He could drive to jobs and do the deed. There is a local company in Salem MA called ServPro (franchise) that quoted me between $ 2200 - $ 2400 to dry ice blast the trunk floor of my Tiger. I choked. They said they'd have to rent a machine, get the dry ice pellets, etc and then do the deed.
Does anybody know of a company in New England or Eastern Upstate NY that has a machine and could do it for less that $ 1,000 ?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com  Mon Dec 30 13:03:15 2019
From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (Ken)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:03:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
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Message-ID: <0f04a45a-afd1-35a5-e0ce-b32898168687@ix.netcom.com>

Have you pinged any of the vintage racing clubs?

https://svra.com/ <https://svra.com/>

  * *SOVREN -Society of Vintage Racing Enthusiasts*/Home track -Seattle
    Int'l Raceway/
        Registrar: Judy Buckingham
        4456 W. Mercer Way, Mercer Island, WA 98040
        206 2324644 FAX 232-3844  

On 12/30/2019 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop 
> here and delete.? I am just reaching out to the broader English car 
> world to help us find a missing part.
>
> We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of 
> restoring it.? There were only 28 of these made. When new, the ones 
> set up for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.? None of the current 
> cars still have the wiper.? Our car was set up for FIA racing and in 
> fact did FIA racing.? So we want to get that wiper again.? It is super 
> short - not just the blade but the arm too.
>
> Attached is a picture of our car in period.? It's about the best 
> picture of any of the cars showing the wiper.? Anyone have any 
> thoughts?? I've looked at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., 
> that I can find.? And gone to all the suppliers and looked at their 
> catalogs.? Nothing jumps out as small enough.? It is possible that 
> they got one of the stock ones, and just cut it down.? Someone just 
> said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd seen was on a big 
> Healey.? Note too that ours was not the only one that was all black.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.? And apologies to anyone offended.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Dec 30 13:04:13 2019
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:04:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 356
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1295.1577735530.2827.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1295.1577735530.2827.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1948597489.3230002.1577736253294@mail.yahoo.com>

Looks like a cut-down one, Jay
Jim Armstrong
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Hi guys,
If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop hereand delete.? I am just reaching out to the broader English car world tohelp us find a missing part.
We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process ofrestoring it.? There were only 28 of these made.? When new, the ones set upfor FIA racing had a windshield wiper.? None of the current cars still havethe wiper.? Our car was set up for FIA racing and in fact did FIA racing.So we want to get that wiper again.? It is super short - not just the bladebut the arm too.
Attached is a picture of our car in period.? It's about the best picture ofany of the cars showing the wiper.? Anyone have any thoughts?? I've lookedat every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., that I can find.? And gone toall the suppliers and looked at their catalogs.? Nothing jumps out as smallenough.? It is possible that they got one of the stock ones, and just cutit down.? Someone just said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'dseen was on a big Healey.? Note too that ours was not the only one that wasall black.
Thanks for any thoughts.? And apologies to anyone offended.
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From wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com  Mon Dec 30 13:23:53 2019
From: wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com (Susan and Larry Wright)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
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	Jay:

	Sorry, I cannot get any attachments from the list, they are always ?scrubbed?. But, just for fun, I did a search for ?snowmobile wipers? and the results show some very short ones both arms and blades. No idea why I did that, no snowmobiles around here. Good luck!

Lawrence Wright
wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com


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> 
>   1. Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:51:59 -0800
> From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAAjp1z45HAJza1auCBOuNQ26ZVFY-EHmO+Lb9M+hD22XLKPtcQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop here
> and delete.  I am just reaching out to the broader English car world to
> help us find a missing part.
> 
> We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of
> restoring it.  There were only 28 of these made.  When new, the ones set up
> for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.  None of the current cars still have
> the wiper.  Our car was set up for FIA racing and in fact did FIA racing.
> So we want to get that wiper again.  It is super short - not just the blade
> but the arm too.
> 
> Attached is a picture of our car in period.  It's about the best picture of
> any of the cars showing the wiper.  Anyone have any thoughts?  I've looked
> at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., that I can find.  And gone to
> all the suppliers and looked at their catalogs.  Nothing jumps out as small
> enough.  It is possible that they got one of the stock ones, and just cut
> it down.  Someone just said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd
> seen was on a big Healey.  Note too that ours was not the only one that was
> all black.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts.  And apologies to anyone offended.
> 
> Jay

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From sunbeam at tir.com  Mon Dec 30 13:40:57 2019
From: sunbeam at tir.com (Jeff Antosiak)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Floor Dry Ice Blasting
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting
Message-ID: <71862051.3253899.1577735812701 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello all,
I bought my Tiger in 1976, and the guy that I bought it from had executed a
new exterior paint job that was really nice (it covered over the rust quite
well!). To hide the surface rust in the trunk, he coated it with some tarry
substance that has NEVER set up; still stickyish. Time to fix this mess.
Several years ago, in Auto Restorer magazine there was an article about a
guy in Colorado that had a Dry Ice Blasting system in the back of his open
bed truck. He could drive to jobs and do the deed. There is a local company
in Salem MA called ServPro (franchise) that quoted me between $ 2200 - $
2400 to dry ice blast the trunk floor of my Tiger. I choked. They said
they'd have to rent a machine, get the dry ice pellets, etc and then do the
deed.
Does anybody know of a company in New England or Eastern Upstate NY that has
a machine and could do it for less that $ 1,000 ?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:03:15 -0700
From: Ken <ktisdale at ix.netcom.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
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Have you pinged any of the vintage racing clubs?

https://svra.com/ <https://svra.com/>

  * *SOVREN -Society of Vintage Racing Enthusiasts*/Home track -Seattle
    Int'l Raceway/
        Registrar: Judy Buckingham
        4456 W. Mercer Way, Mercer Island, WA 98040
        206 2324644 FAX 232-3844  

On 12/30/2019 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop 
> here and delete.? I am just reaching out to the broader English car 
> world to help us find a missing part.
>
> We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of 
> restoring it.? There were only 28 of these made. When new, the ones 
> set up for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.? None of the current 
> cars still have the wiper.? Our car was set up for FIA racing and in 
> fact did FIA racing.? So we want to get that wiper again.? It is super 
> short - not just the blade but the arm too.
>
> Attached is a picture of our car in period.? It's about the best 
> picture of any of the cars showing the wiper.? Anyone have any 
> thoughts?? I've looked at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., 
> that I can find.? And gone to all the suppliers and looked at their 
> catalogs.? Nothing jumps out as small enough.? It is possible that 
> they got one of the stock ones, and just cut it down.? Someone just 
> said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd seen was on a big 
> Healey.? Note too that ours was not the only one that was all black.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.? And apologies to anyone offended.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:04:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 356
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Looks like a cut-down one, Jay
Jim Armstrong
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<jay.laifman at gmail.com>To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject:
[Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60sMessage-ID:???
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Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi guys,
If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop hereand
delete.? I am just reaching out to the broader English car world tohelp us
find a missing part.
We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process
ofrestoring it.? There were only 28 of these made.? When new, the ones set
upfor FIA racing had a windshield wiper.? None of the current cars still
havethe wiper.? Our car was set up for FIA racing and in fact did FIA
racing.So we want to get that wiper again.? It is super short - not just the
bladebut the arm too.
Attached is a picture of our car in period.? It's about the best picture
ofany of the cars showing the wiper.? Anyone have any thoughts?? I've
lookedat every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., that I can find.? And gone
toall the suppliers and looked at their catalogs.? Nothing jumps out as
smallenough.? It is possible that they got one of the stock ones, and just
cutit down.? Someone just said that ironically one of the smallest arms
he'dseen was on a big Healey.? Note too that ours was not the only one that
wasall black.
Thanks for any thoughts.? And apologies to anyone offended.
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:23:53 -0500
From: Susan and Larry Wright <wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com>
To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay
	Laifman)
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	Jay:

	Sorry, I cannot get any attachments from the list, they are always
?scrubbed?. But, just for fun, I did a search for ?snowmobile wipers? and
the results show some very short ones both arms and blades. No idea why I
did that, no snowmobiles around here. Good luck!

Lawrence Wright
wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com


> Begin forwarded message:
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:51:59 -0800
> From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAAjp1z45HAJza1auCBOuNQ26ZVFY-EHmO+Lb9M+hD22XLKPtcQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop 
> here and delete.  I am just reaching out to the broader English car 
> world to help us find a missing part.
> 
> We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of 
> restoring it.  There were only 28 of these made.  When new, the ones 
> set up for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.  None of the current 
> cars still have the wiper.  Our car was set up for FIA racing and in fact
did FIA racing.
> So we want to get that wiper again.  It is super short - not just the 
> blade but the arm too.
> 
> Attached is a picture of our car in period.  It's about the best 
> picture of any of the cars showing the wiper.  Anyone have any 
> thoughts?  I've looked at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., 
> that I can find.  And gone to all the suppliers and looked at their 
> catalogs.  Nothing jumps out as small enough.  It is possible that 
> they got one of the stock ones, and just cut it down.  Someone just 
> said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd seen was on a big 
> Healey.  Note too that ours was not the only one that was all black.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts.  And apologies to anyone offended.
> 
> Jay

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From sunbeam at tir.com  Mon Dec 30 13:53:52 2019
From: sunbeam at tir.com (Jeff Antosiak)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Floor Dry Ice Blasting Alterative
Message-ID: <019f01d5bf53$3eb29760$bc17c620$@tir.com>

Let me try this again...

Jim.
I bought an NOS Mini Panel Van replacement body about 20 years ago (now ~40
years old) and the PO had had the whole interior, undercarriage and engine
bay Ziebart undercoated right over the factory primer.  I had a friends
teenage kid (my yard Sherpa) go at it with a heat gun and a putty knife to
remove the bulk of it and then had him use a spray bottle filled with
mineral spirits and paper towels to remove any remaining residue. Worked
great. Spend a few hours on your trunk floor and then have a local media
blaster finish the cleanup if you find it needs to be repainted. You should
come in way under $1000, that is unless you need to repaint. Store all the
soaked towels away from the garage. - Jeff




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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting
Message-ID: <71862051.3253899.1577735812701 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello all,
I bought my Tiger in 1976, and the guy that I bought it from had executed a
new exterior paint job that was really nice (it covered over the rust quite
well!). To hide the surface rust in the trunk, he coated it with some tarry
substance that has NEVER set up; still stickyish. Time to fix this mess.
Several years ago, in Auto Restorer magazine there was an article about a
guy in Colorado that had a Dry Ice Blasting system in the back of his open
bed truck. He could drive to jobs and do the deed. There is a local company
in Salem MA called ServPro (franchise) that quoted me between $ 2200 - $
2400 to dry ice blast the trunk floor of my Tiger. I choked. They said
they'd have to rent a machine, get the dry ice pellets, etc and then do the
deed.
Does anybody know of a company in New England or Eastern Upstate NY that has
a machine and could do it for less that $ 1,000 ?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Dec 30 14:14:36 2019
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 17:14:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Floor Dry Ice Blasting
In-Reply-To: <019e01d5bf51$70f135d0$52d3a170$@tir.com>
References: <019e01d5bf51$70f135d0$52d3a170$@tir.com>
Message-ID: <CA+mjxLEkdA2cwZMxFkhe1tihS2QeEufyy2_gOJNmDdV-wZ1iRw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jay;

It took a while to find the photo...but Wow! What a cool car! I have no
idea where to find such a short w/s wiper arm, but I just wanted to say how
neat that Lola is!
The driver looks suitably stressed at the point when the photo was taken.

Good luck in your search for an appropriate arm!...

Dave in Nova Scotia

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jeff Antosiak via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

>
>
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>    2. Re: Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Ken)
>    3. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 356 (James Armstrong)
>    4. Fwd: Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
>       (Susan and Larry Wright)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting
> Message-ID: <71862051.3253899.1577735812701 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello all,
> I bought my Tiger in 1976, and the guy that I bought it from had executed a
> new exterior paint job that was really nice (it covered over the rust quite
> well!). To hide the surface rust in the trunk, he coated it with some tarry
> substance that has NEVER set up; still stickyish. Time to fix this mess.
> Several years ago, in Auto Restorer magazine there was an article about a
> guy in Colorado that had a Dry Ice Blasting system in the back of his open
> bed truck. He could drive to jobs and do the deed. There is a local company
> in Salem MA called ServPro (franchise) that quoted me between $ 2200 - $
> 2400 to dry ice blast the trunk floor of my Tiger. I choked. They said
> they'd have to rent a machine, get the dry ice pellets, etc and then do the
> deed.
> Does anybody know of a company in New England or Eastern Upstate NY that
> has
> a machine and could do it for less that $ 1,000 ?
> Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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> From: Ken <ktisdale at ix.netcom.com>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
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>
> Have you pinged any of the vintage racing clubs?
>
> https://svra.com/ <https://svra.com/>
>
>   * *SOVREN -Society of Vintage Racing Enthusiasts*/Home track -Seattle
>     Int'l Raceway/
>         Registrar: Judy Buckingham
>         4456 W. Mercer Way, Mercer Island, WA 98040
>         206 2324644 FAX 232-3844
>
> On 12/30/2019 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop
> > here and delete.? I am just reaching out to the broader English car
> > world to help us find a missing part.
> >
> > We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of
> > restoring it.? There were only 28 of these made. When new, the ones
> > set up for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.? None of the current
> > cars still have the wiper.? Our car was set up for FIA racing and in
> > fact did FIA racing.? So we want to get that wiper again.? It is super
> > short - not just the blade but the arm too.
> >
> > Attached is a picture of our car in period.? It's about the best
> > picture of any of the cars showing the wiper.? Anyone have any
> > thoughts?? I've looked at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc.,
> > that I can find.? And gone to all the suppliers and looked at their
> > catalogs.? Nothing jumps out as small enough.? It is possible that
> > they got one of the stock ones, and just cut it down.? Someone just
> > said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd seen was on a big
> > Healey.? Note too that ours was not the only one that was all black.
> >
> > Thanks for any thoughts.? And apologies to anyone offended.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:04:13 +0000 (UTC)
> From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 356
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> Looks like a cut-down one, Jay
> Jim Armstrong
> In a message dated 12/30/2019 2:54:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tigers-request at autox.team.net writes:
>
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> ? 1. Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:51:59 -0800From: Jay Laifman
> <jay.laifman at gmail.com>To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject:
> [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60sMessage-ID:???
> <CAAjp1z45HAJza1auCBOuNQ26ZVFY-EHmO+Lb9M+hD22XLKPtcQ at mail.gmail.com
> >Content-
> Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> Hi guys,
> If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop
> hereand
> delete.? I am just reaching out to the broader English car world tohelp us
> find a missing part.
> We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process
> ofrestoring it.? There were only 28 of these made.? When new, the ones set
> upfor FIA racing had a windshield wiper.? None of the current cars still
> havethe wiper.? Our car was set up for FIA racing and in fact did FIA
> racing.So we want to get that wiper again.? It is super short - not just
> the
> bladebut the arm too.
> Attached is a picture of our car in period.? It's about the best picture
> ofany of the cars showing the wiper.? Anyone have any thoughts?? I've
> lookedat every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., that I can find.? And
> gone
> toall the suppliers and looked at their catalogs.? Nothing jumps out as
> smallenough.? It is possible that they got one of the stock ones, and just
> cutit down.? Someone just said that ironically one of the smallest arms
> he'dseen was on a big Healey.? Note too that ours was not the only one that
> wasall black.
> Thanks for any thoughts.? And apologies to anyone offended.
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> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:23:53 -0500
> From: Susan and Larry Wright <wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com>
> To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay
>         Laifman)
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>         Jay:
>
>         Sorry, I cannot get any attachments from the list, they are always
> ?scrubbed?. But, just for fun, I did a search for ?snowmobile wipers? and
> the results show some very short ones both arms and blades. No idea why I
> did that, no snowmobiles around here. Good luck!
>
> Lawrence Wright
> wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com
>
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:51:59 -0800
> > From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
> > To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
> > Message-ID:
> >       <
> CAAjp1z45HAJza1auCBOuNQ26ZVFY-EHmO+Lb9M+hD22XLKPtcQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop
> > here and delete.  I am just reaching out to the broader English car
> > world to help us find a missing part.
> >
> > We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of
> > restoring it.  There were only 28 of these made.  When new, the ones
> > set up for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.  None of the current
> > cars still have the wiper.  Our car was set up for FIA racing and in fact
> did FIA racing.
> > So we want to get that wiper again.  It is super short - not just the
> > blade but the arm too.
> >
> > Attached is a picture of our car in period.  It's about the best
> > picture of any of the cars showing the wiper.  Anyone have any
> > thoughts?  I've looked at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc.,
> > that I can find.  And gone to all the suppliers and looked at their
> > catalogs.  Nothing jumps out as small enough.  It is possible that
> > they got one of the stock ones, and just cut it down.  Someone just
> > said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd seen was on a big
> > Healey.  Note too that ours was not the only one that was all black.
> >
> > Thanks for any thoughts.  And apologies to anyone offended.
> >
> > Jay
>
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Mon Dec 30 14:38:48 2019
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:38:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Floor Dry Ice Blasting
In-Reply-To: <CA+mjxLEkdA2cwZMxFkhe1tihS2QeEufyy2_gOJNmDdV-wZ1iRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <019e01d5bf51$70f135d0$52d3a170$@tir.com>
 <CA+mjxLEkdA2cwZMxFkhe1tihS2QeEufyy2_gOJNmDdV-wZ1iRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z7vgFyTwgJhwhA4OShDUwToUWTa7ERL19p6vtvMA9vdzA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!  FWIW, it is the same model car that Elvis raced in Viva Las
Vegas.  I'd like to try to connect Elvis to a Sunbeam Tiger, or
Ann-Margaret (also from Viva Las Vegas) to a Tiger, but I can't.  The best
I could find is that Elvis had a pink Cadillac, and a pink Tiger belonged
to Jo Collins.

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1:14 PM Dave Munroe via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hey Jay;
>
> It took a while to find the photo...but Wow! What a cool car! I have no
> idea where to find such a short w/s wiper arm, but I just wanted to say how
> neat that Lola is!
> The driver looks suitably stressed at the point when the photo was taken.
>
> Good luck in your search for an appropriate arm!...
>
> Dave in Nova Scotia
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jeff Antosiak via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>> tigers-request at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 3:24 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 357
>>
>> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to
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>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Tiger information / Dry ice blasting (James Armstrong)
>>    2. Re: Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Ken)
>>    3. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 356 (James Armstrong)
>>    4. Fwd: Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
>>       (Susan and Larry Wright)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting
>> Message-ID: <71862051.3253899.1577735812701 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I bought my Tiger in 1976, and the guy that I bought it from had executed
>> a
>> new exterior paint job that was really nice (it covered over the rust
>> quite
>> well!). To hide the surface rust in the trunk, he coated it with some
>> tarry
>> substance that has NEVER set up; still stickyish. Time to fix this mess.
>> Several years ago, in Auto Restorer magazine there was an article about a
>> guy in Colorado that had a Dry Ice Blasting system in the back of his open
>> bed truck. He could drive to jobs and do the deed. There is a local
>> company
>> in Salem MA called ServPro (franchise) that quoted me between $ 2200 - $
>> 2400 to dry ice blast the trunk floor of my Tiger. I choked. They said
>> they'd have to rent a machine, get the dry ice pellets, etc and then do
>> the
>> deed.
>> Does anybody know of a company in New England or Eastern Upstate NY that
>> has
>> a machine and could do it for less that $ 1,000 ?
>> Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:03:15 -0700
>> From: Ken <ktisdale at ix.netcom.com>
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
>> Message-ID: <0f04a45a-afd1-35a5-e0ce-b32898168687 at ix.netcom.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>>
>> Have you pinged any of the vintage racing clubs?
>>
>> https://svra.com/ <https://svra.com/>
>>
>>   * *SOVREN -Society of Vintage Racing Enthusiasts*/Home track -Seattle
>>     Int'l Raceway/
>>         Registrar: Judy Buckingham
>>         4456 W. Mercer Way, Mercer Island, WA 98040
>>         206 2324644 FAX 232-3844
>>
>> On 12/30/2019 12:51 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop
>> > here and delete.? I am just reaching out to the broader English car
>> > world to help us find a missing part.
>> >
>> > We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of
>> > restoring it.? There were only 28 of these made. When new, the ones
>> > set up for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.? None of the current
>> > cars still have the wiper.? Our car was set up for FIA racing and in
>> > fact did FIA racing.? So we want to get that wiper again.? It is super
>> > short - not just the blade but the arm too.
>> >
>> > Attached is a picture of our car in period.? It's about the best
>> > picture of any of the cars showing the wiper.? Anyone have any
>> > thoughts?? I've looked at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc.,
>> > that I can find.? And gone to all the suppliers and looked at their
>> > catalogs.? Nothing jumps out as small enough.? It is possible that
>> > they got one of the stock ones, and just cut it down.? Someone just
>> > said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd seen was on a big
>> > Healey.? Note too that ours was not the only one that was all black.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any thoughts.? And apologies to anyone offended.
>> >
>> > Jay
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> > tigers at autox.team.net
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> --
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>> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:04:13 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 356
>> Message-ID: <1948597489.3230002.1577736253294 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>> Looks like a cut-down one, Jay
>> Jim Armstrong
>> In a message dated 12/30/2019 2:54:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> tigers-request at autox.team.net writes:
>>
>> Send Tigers mailing list submissions to??? tigers at autox.team.net To
>> subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit???
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>> reach the person managing the list at??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When
>> replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re:
>> Contents of Tigers digest..."
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>> ? 1. Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Message: 1Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:51:59 -0800From: Jay Laifman
>> <jay.laifman at gmail.com>To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>Subject:
>> [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60sMessage-ID:???
>> <CAAjp1z45HAJza1auCBOuNQ26ZVFY-EHmO+Lb9M+hD22XLKPtcQ at mail.gmail.com
>> >Content-
>> Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Hi guys,
>> If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop
>> hereand
>> delete.? I am just reaching out to the broader English car world tohelp us
>> find a missing part.
>> We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process
>> ofrestoring it.? There were only 28 of these made.? When new, the ones set
>> upfor FIA racing had a windshield wiper.? None of the current cars still
>> havethe wiper.? Our car was set up for FIA racing and in fact did FIA
>> racing.So we want to get that wiper again.? It is super short - not just
>> the
>> bladebut the arm too.
>> Attached is a picture of our car in period.? It's about the best picture
>> ofany of the cars showing the wiper.? Anyone have any thoughts?? I've
>> lookedat every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc., that I can find.? And
>> gone
>> toall the suppliers and looked at their catalogs.? Nothing jumps out as
>> smallenough.? It is possible that they got one of the stock ones, and just
>> cutit down.? Someone just said that ironically one of the smallest arms
>> he'dseen was on a big Healey.? Note too that ours was not the only one
>> that
>> wasall black.
>> Thanks for any thoughts.? And apologies to anyone offended.
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>> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:23:53 -0500
>> From: Susan and Larry Wright <wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com>
>> To: Tiger List <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay
>>         Laifman)
>> Message-ID: <89B59253-8BD1-423A-B28A-171CE698EAB2 at icloud.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>         Jay:
>>
>>         Sorry, I cannot get any attachments from the list, they are always
>> ?scrubbed?. But, just for fun, I did a search for ?snowmobile wipers? and
>> the results show some very short ones both arms and blades. No idea why I
>> did that, no snowmobiles around here. Good luck!
>>
>> Lawrence Wright
>> wrightsinseabrook at icloud.com
>>
>>
>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> >   1. Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s (Jay Laifman)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:51:59 -0800
>> > From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: [Tigers] Short Windshield Wipers from 50s/60s
>> > Message-ID:
>> >       <
>> CAAjp1z45HAJza1auCBOuNQ26ZVFY-EHmO+Lb9M+hD22XLKPtcQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > If you are offended by reading an email about non-Tiger, please stop
>> > here and delete.  I am just reaching out to the broader English car
>> > world to help us find a missing part.
>> >
>> > We purchased a 1962 Elva Mk6 sportsracer, and we're in the process of
>> > restoring it.  There were only 28 of these made.  When new, the ones
>> > set up for FIA racing had a windshield wiper.  None of the current
>> > cars still have the wiper.  Our car was set up for FIA racing and in
>> fact
>> did FIA racing.
>> > So we want to get that wiper again.  It is super short - not just the
>> > blade but the arm too.
>> >
>> > Attached is a picture of our car in period.  It's about the best
>> > picture of any of the cars showing the wiper.  Anyone have any
>> > thoughts?  I've looked at every MG, Triumph, Morris, Jaguar, etc.,
>> > that I can find.  And gone to all the suppliers and looked at their
>> > catalogs.  Nothing jumps out as small enough.  It is possible that
>> > they got one of the stock ones, and just cut it down.  Someone just
>> > said that ironically one of the smallest arms he'd seen was on a big
>> > Healey.  Note too that ours was not the only one that was all black.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any thoughts.  And apologies to anyone offended.
>> >
>> > Jay
>>
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Dec 30 14:56:02 2019
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:56:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting
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Took all the undercoating off my Tiger with a 1000 watt hair blower and a putty knife and screwdriver.? It helped it was winter time and the car was on a rotisserie.? Cleaned up with paint thinner and all the factory primer was still in good shape.? The floorboards were perfect on my car, but the trunk floor, lower front fender, rocker panel and lower rear quarter were shot.? The car was only 11 years old at the time.? So much for Rootes rust prevention.Jim DSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 12/30/19  2:56 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting Hello all,

I bought my Tiger in 1976, and the guy that I bought it from had executed a new exterior paint job that was really nice (it covered over the rust quite well!). To hide the surface rust in the trunk, he coated it with some tarry substance that has NEVER set up; still stickyish. Time to fix this mess.

Several years ago, in Auto Restorer magazine there was an article about a guy in Colorado that had a Dry Ice Blasting system in the back of his open bed truck. He could drive to jobs and do the deed. There is a local company in Salem MA called ServPro (franchise) that quoted me between $ 2200 - $ 2400 to dry ice blast the trunk floor of my Tiger. I choked. They said they'd have to rent a machine, get the dry ice pellets, etc and then do the deed.

Does anybody know of a company in New England or Eastern Upstate NY that has a machine and could do it for less that $ 1,000 ?




Jim Armstrong
Mk 1A
382002083 LRXFE
Code 86
TAC #....
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From coolvt at aol.com  Mon Dec 30 16:37:57 2019
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 23:37:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting
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References: <71862051.3253899.1577735812701@mail.yahoo.com>
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A few days ago Harbor Frt. had 2 temperature heat guns for $5.00.? Not sure if the sale is still on or not.? ?Who can say about the quality, but for 5 bucks !
In a message dated 12/30/2019 6:06:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers at autox.team.net writes:

Took all the undercoating off my Tiger with a 1000 watt hair blower and a putty knife and screwdriver.? It helped it was winter time and the car was on a rotisserie.? Cleaned up with paint thinner and all the factory primer was still in good shape.? The floorboards were perfect on my car, but the trunk floor, lower front fender, rocker panel and lower rear quarter were shot.? The car was only 11 years old at the time.? So much for Rootes rust prevention.
Jim D


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>Date: 12/30/19 2:56 PM (GMT-05:00)To: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] Tiger information / Dry ice blasting
Hello all,
I bought my Tiger in 1976, and the guy that I bought it from had executed a new exterior paint job that was really nice (it covered over the rust quite well!). To hide the surface rust in the trunk, he coated it with some tarry substance that has NEVER set up; still stickyish. Time to fix this mess.
Several years ago, in Auto Restorer magazine there was an article about a guy in Colorado that had a Dry Ice Blasting system in the back of his open bed truck. He could drive to jobs and do the deed. There is a local company in Salem MA called ServPro (franchise) that quoted me between $ 2200 - $ 2400 to dry ice blast the trunk floor of my Tiger. I choked. They said they'd have to rent a machine, get the dry ice pellets, etc and then do the deed.
Does anybody know of a company in New England or Eastern Upstate NY that has a machine and could do it for less that $ 1,000 ?
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #...._______________________________________________

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From deiland1 at att.net  Mon Dec 30 17:16:12 2019
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 00:16:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Information request on Tiger Owner
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 I have a VIN for the car that is for sale. Is there anyone on the list who might be able to give me more information on this car? If so could you contact me off list at: deiland1 at att.net
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019, 02:34:04 PM MST, Daniel Eiland via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Has anyone heard of a Ronald Dowling? He says he has a 1965 Tiger for sale, but the price is too good to be true. He says he is from Youngstown, Ohio 44513. Anyone familiar with this person or his car if they really exist?
TIA,
Dan_______________________________________________

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