[Tigers] Short v Long Shifters

[Jay Laifman]

Larry,

With the utmost in respect and appreciation for all your comments, I'm
going to say in my opinion, I disagree completely!  If this was just about
numbers and measurements, we'd all be driving a Honda that goes faster,
handles better, brakes faster, all the while carrying 4 people, with air
conditioning and a symphony playing on the radio (or digital music player).
 Instead we drive the Tiger because how it makes us FEEL - whether that is
the rumble in our gut, the roar in our ears, the feel of the steering wheel
and stick shift to our hands.  Those are 100% subjective sensations.
 Therefore, in my opinion, other people's opinions do matter here.

Again, this is only in 100% respect for your opinion on this.  :-)

Jay


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

> I am sitting here a bit bleary eyed over the plethora of anecdotal comments
> on short v long sifters.  In my lifetime, I have found that any discussion
> without evidence or data is worth camel spit, lol.  At least a good diagram
> of what is being discussed is paramount: we used to call them free body
> diagrams intended to provide a common ground for discussion. A good set of
> definitions helps the discussion along as well.  As does the comparison of
> other shifters thrown into the mix.
>
> So, a set of rules to aid this discussion perhaps?
> 1. No other transmissions or cars with different transmission included.
> Adds
> no value to the discussion.  Newer and modern manual transmission shifting
> functions differently. They have the benefit of about 50 years of
> development to fall back on.  Plus how good you feel in shifting your
> Bimmer, or Scooby or tractor does not have much importance in the
> discussion.  Stick to the thread, please.
>
> 2. Our old transmissions have the shifting fork movement applied by a lever
> on the shifter shaft (generally), The length of that small lever is a
> direct
> relation to how far it has to move to engage the synchro rings.
>
> 3. The length of the shifter lever below the fulcrum pin in the shifter
> assembly is a function of how far it needs to be moved to get the shift
> forks to move to engage the synchros.  If that design has a set of   levers
> on the shifter mechanism the same length as the shift fork levers then it
> will take a lot of rotation to engage. If the shifter mechanism levers are
> longer then they only have to move a short distance.
>
> 4. The length of the operator shift lever is a direct function of the
> length
> of the other levers in the  system.  The shorter the operator lever, the
> shorter the Throw. Long lever, longer Throw.  Longer lever also means that
> the gate movement of the lever is longer as well.
>
> Danger, anecdotal  comment: In my 55 plus years of driving, Throw of the
> transmission shifting has always meant how far the shift lever ball, that
> thing that fits the driver's hand, has to move.
>
> 5. In any technical, not feel good, discussion, please use real data: crawl
> under the car, measure the different lever lengths make direct comparisons
> and then comment please...
>
> 6. If ya want opinions of anything, just remember that opinions are like
> noses, everyone has one and they are all different and the meaning behind
> every one is vast.
>
> Off soapbox now...
>
> larry
>
>
>
>
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