From cbowland at msn.com  Sun Jan  1 12:39:57 2012
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Racing Sports Cars - Home Page
Message-ID: <BLU166-ds21E21F0F35D8C14928E8FFDB900@phx.gbl>

Boy if you are curious about Sunbeam or Tiger racing history (or any other
make) you can spend HOURS on this site. Just and incredible collection of data
as well as some never seen photos. Has a variety of search modes, enough to
make everyone happy.

Enjoy
http://www.racingsportscars.com/index.html<http://www.racingsportscars.com/in
dex.html>

From tgrrr at meadowcrk.com  Sun Jan  1 14:18:20 2012
From: tgrrr at meadowcrk.com (Bob H)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:18:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam History
Message-ID: <B40DDA38736F4B4CB0EE737A22602132@bob>

Just finished viewing an article on Sunbeam history. Especially enjoyed the
chapters on the 1000 hp Sunbeam and the Silver Bullet.

Great old photos

http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Transport/Cars/Sunbeam.htm

Bob H

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 15:57:36 2012
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:57:36 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Racing Sports Cars - Home Page
In-Reply-To: <BLU166-ds21E21F0F35D8C14928E8FFDB900@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU166-ds21E21F0F35D8C14928E8FFDB900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAET8snXsHwLeZQdnyROQPJw+p=W74GcbWtO7znC2vYfOJ+pBNg@mail.gmail.com>

This site  was setup quite a few years back.. they took it down for a
while when lots of the images were being pinched for use commercially,
they put it up again a little while back with improved search and
categories... its trully a great source... they should get a video
section for people to upload old 8mm films

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Sun Jan  1 16:55:34 2012
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam History
In-Reply-To: <B40DDA38736F4B4CB0EE737A22602132@bob>
Message-ID: <156081072.214416.1325462134751.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Bob, great reading this. Thanks for sharing! I was mostly unaware of this rich heritage of Sunbeam. 

Interesting comment at the end: "In July 1935 S.T.D. was purchased by Rootes Securities, who had no interest in high quality cars, only volume production." 

I am guessing Rootes Securities must have been investment bankers. We can all read into that what we choose. At least the company survived for another 30 years and gave us our beloved Tigers! 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob H" <tgrrr at meadowcrk.com> 
To: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 3:18:20 PM 
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam History 

Just finished viewing an article on Sunbeam history. Especially enjoyed the 
chapters on the 1000 hp Sunbeam and the Silver Bullet. 

Great old photos 

http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Transport/Cars/Sunbeam.htm 

Bob H 
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From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Sun Jan  1 17:05:27 2012
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:05:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam History
References: <156081072.214416.1325462134751.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C406A8A8B91A4153A0F7CD8474014A7D@your4dacd0ea75>

... and then Chrysler took them away.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <genepadgett at comcast.net>
To: "Bob H" <tgrrr at meadowcrk.com>
Cc: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam History


> Bob, great reading this. Thanks for sharing! I was mostly unaware of this 
> rich heritage of Sunbeam.
>
> Interesting comment at the end: "In July 1935 S.T.D. was purchased by 
> Rootes Securities, who had no interest in high quality cars, only volume 
> production."
>
> I am guessing Rootes Securities must have been investment bankers. We can 
> all read into that what we choose. At least the company survived for 
> another 30 years and gave us our beloved Tigers!
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob H" <tgrrr at meadowcrk.com>
> To: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 3:18:20 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam History
>
> Just finished viewing an article on Sunbeam history. Especially enjoyed 
> the
> chapters on the 1000 hp Sunbeam and the Silver Bullet.
>
> Great old photos
>
> http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Transport/Cars/Sunbeam.htm
>
> Bob H
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>
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 05:02:41 2012
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:02:41 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam History
In-Reply-To: <156081072.214416.1325462134751.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <B40DDA38736F4B4CB0EE737A22602132@bob>
	<156081072.214416.1325462134751.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAET8snX_tW1xkXGnYpxxVpx1ws68nAEg3iJERWTB94cVjZATkQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/01/2012, genepadgett at comcast.net <genepadgett at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Interesting comment at the end: "In July 1935 S.T.D. was purchased by Rootes
> Securities, who had no interest in high quality cars, only volume
> production."
>
> I am guessing Rootes Securities must have been investment bankers. We can
> all read into that what we choose. At least the company survived for another
> 30 years and gave us our beloved Tigers!
>
> Gene

Not sure if they were investment bankers, think it might just have
been the rootes brothers company.. they are probably reffering to the
fact the rootes bros built volume production cars, hillmans.. Sunbeam
pre rootes were high end cars, twin cam 16 vlave 4cyl and twin cam
8's, hihg end sports motors... talbot built fantastic sports cars the
105 series were very compotent... rootes bought the comanies and
merged them, badge engineering them onto hillman based products.. much
the same with singer.. high end sports and tourers.. to hillman based
cars.. though the first singers under rootes still used the OHC singer
engine.. that soon made way for rootes OHV motors....

despite all that.. i still like my rootes derived cars... even though
they may not be as exotic or high spec..

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From dave.gilmore at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  2 07:20:47 2012
From: dave.gilmore at sbcglobal.net (david gilmore)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:20:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger literature and items for sale
Message-ID: <1325514047.24338.YahooMailClassic@web181010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
I've read the forum but never posted so hopefully this will make the rounds to
all.  I have a ton of Tiger related literature that I would like to sell to to
further restoration of my MKII.  Please contact me directly for a complete
list.  It includes a complete set of Tiger Press as well as die cast/plastic
models, sales literature, issues of CAT, Tiger Tales, and Rootes Review. 
Don't want to go the Ebay route.

Thank you,
Dave Gilmore
Cell 913-488-1459
Home 913-381-1459

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Mon Jan  2 12:53:39 2012
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:53:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam History
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snX_tW1xkXGnYpxxVpx1ws68nAEg3iJERWTB94cVjZATkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1207712908.238536.1325534019424.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Michael, very nice commentary and additional perspective. Thanks for sharing. 

Best regards, Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> 
To: genepadgett at comcast.net 
Cc: "Bob H" <tgrrr at meadowcrk.com>, "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 6:02:41 AM 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam History 

On 02/01/2012, genepadgett at comcast.net <genepadgett at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
> Interesting comment at the end: "In July 1935 S.T.D. was purchased by Rootes 
> Securities, who had no interest in high quality cars, only volume 
> production." 
> 
> I am guessing Rootes Securities must have been investment bankers. We can 
> all read into that what we choose. At least the company survived for another 
> 30 years and gave us our beloved Tigers! 
> 
> Gene 

Not sure if they were investment bankers, think it might just have 
been the rootes brothers company.. they are probably reffering to the 
fact the rootes bros built volume production cars, hillmans.. Sunbeam 
pre rootes were high end cars, twin cam 16 vlave 4cyl and twin cam 
8's, hihg end sports motors... talbot built fantastic sports cars the 
105 series were very compotent... rootes bought the comanies and 
merged them, badge engineering them onto hillman based products.. much 
the same with singer.. high end sports and tourers.. to hillman based 
cars.. though the first singers under rootes still used the OHC singer 
engine.. that soon made way for rootes OHV motors.... 

despite all that.. i still like my rootes derived cars... even though 
they may not be as exotic or high spec.. 

-- 
Regards 

Michael King 

From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Jan  3 08:28:41 2012
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam History
In-Reply-To: <C406A8A8B91A4153A0F7CD8474014A7D@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <156081072.214416.1325462134751.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<C406A8A8B91A4153A0F7CD8474014A7D@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0BBA0FBB@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

...and that was when Chrysler gave Rootes a real STD!

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony McNulty
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 7:05 PM
To: genepadgett at comcast.net; Bob H
Cc: Tigers
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam History

... and then Chrysler took them away.


----- Original Message -----
From: <genepadgett at comcast.net>
To: "Bob H" <tgrrr at meadowcrk.com>
Cc: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam History


> Bob, great reading this. Thanks for sharing! I was mostly unaware of
this
> rich heritage of Sunbeam.
>
> Interesting comment at the end: "In July 1935 S.T.D. was purchased by
> Rootes Securities, who had no interest in high quality cars, only
volume
> production."
>
> I am guessing Rootes Securities must have been investment bankers. We
can
> all read into that what we choose. At least the company survived for
> another 30 years and gave us our beloved Tigers!
>
> Gene

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Jan  3 10:24:48 2012
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:24:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Bring a Trailer Ad...
Message-ID: <4F0339E0.4030504@mayfco.com>

This was sent to me by one of my Land Speed email friends.  Florida 
guys, take a look...

http://bringatrailer.com/2012/01/03/bat-exclusive-1965-sunbeam-tiger-project-with-spare-alpine/#more-

mayf

-- 
______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From bobdixon at frii.com  Thu Jan  5 17:41:08 2012
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] LAT fender flares
References: <B40DDA38736F4B4CB0EE737A22602132@bob>
Message-ID: <FD286B68F4E241118198B91D67634123@BobsDell>

I would like to buy some LAT fender flares.  Anyone have a set they can part 
with?

Thanks,
Bob
B9471388 

From sfranklin at tds.net  Fri Jan  6 12:59:58 2012
From: sfranklin at tds.net (sfranklin tds.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:59:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] spare guages
Message-ID: <CANBB-w8qCYQm55M-ewyfa+hQuDR+Pb5d76QB=bMMSfR=DEjMzw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a complete set spare guages and a tiger dash that I no longer need,
also I have hard top rear window stainless plus clips . If your interested
please email me off list.


Steve F
sfranklin at tds.net
1967 Tiger MK II

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Fri Jan  6 16:05:49 2012
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:05:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT Fender Flares
Message-ID: <18ff4.40a9196a.3c38d84d@aol.com>

1. LAT fender flares (Bob  Dixon)
----------------------------------------------
I would like to buy  some LAT fender flares.  Anyone have a set they can 
part  
with?

Thanks,
Bob
B9471388  

------------------------------
Bob,

 

I loaned Starke Shelby an original set and he had his fiberglass-man make  
molds from them.  I don't know how much he gets for a set.
 
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger  Club    Seattle
 
He can be reached at:
  _starkeshelby at hotmail.com_ (mailto:starkeshelby at hotmail.com)   or  
_Starke at nwinsctr-mi.com_ (mailto:Starke at nwinsctr-mi.com)   

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  8 11:44:39 2012
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:44:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Automodello Sunbeam Tiger
Message-ID: <51F5110DE7984DC09E7E30A10D081BF4@jeffnicholsPC>

with  <http://www.hemmings.com/> Hemmings Muscle Machines, the Hemmings blog
and  <http://www.hemmings.com/> Hemmings Sports & Exoticar Car to help
Automodello identify its next car to model. The overwhelming suggestion by a
margin of 7 to 1 was the Sunbeam Tiger.

Keeping with the standards set by Automodello with their previous releases,
the Sunbeam Tiger is shipped with the removable hardtop. The exterior will
be red. And the steering wheel will be on the side where most North
Americans are most likely to see it. Production is limited to a build up to
999 units.

 <http://www.automodello.com/> Automodello is a manufacturer specializing in
overlooked, neglected and interesting as well as new models from British,
European, North American and other marques. Automodello's inagural 1/43
model was the 1964 Griffith Series 200 and 1/24 is the 1938 Phantom Corsair.
The Sunbeam Tiger keeps with Automodello's tradition of releasing "hybrid"
automobiles where American V8 power is mated to a sexy British and European
bodies. Automodello has engaged another dream for Hemmings' readers!
 
 
 
http://www.automodello.com/sunbeamtiger.htm

From cbowland at msn.com  Sun Jan  8 13:30:50 2012
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:30:50 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] SCCA 2012 Calendar
Message-ID: <BLU166-ds5DE639DF67D9BDA3A8408DB9B0@phx.gbl>

For those of you who are members of SCCA. Included with the January issue of
SportsCar is a 2012 calendar. Looking closely there is a picture of Tom Patton
and his Tiger. It is on the last page, January 2013. Always nice to see Tom
and his Tiger getting ink!

From musta32188 at msn.com  Mon Jan  9 17:20:59 2012
From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:20:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger books on Ebay
Message-ID: <BAY168-W37C1A8691913DA1E0C82628B990@phx.gbl>

Since I've sold my Tiger, I've put several of my Tiger related books on Ebay,
including my copy of The Works Tigers.  If you just search for that title, and
then click on my user name the others will come up, such as the Automobile
Quarterly from 1984 with the great Tiger article.
Thanks.
Phillip

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Mon Jan  9 17:21:34 2012
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:21:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] SCCA / Tom Patton Tiger
Message-ID: <7430.25230502.3c3cde8e@aol.com>

For those of you who are members of SCCA. Included with the January  issue 
of
SportsCar is a 2012 calendar.  Looking closely there is a  picture of Tom 
Patton
and his Tiger. It is on the last page, January  2013.  Always nice to see 
Tom
and his Tiger getting ink!
--------------------------------------------
Curt,
 
Thanks for the heads-up.  I missed that!
 
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger  Club    Seattle
 
(SCCA Member for 24 years)

From bobdixon at frii.com  Mon Jan  9 18:05:11 2012
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:05:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Pictures of LAT fender flares
References: <BAY168-W37C1A8691913DA1E0C82628B990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <62E8D696E20B4504AA378E978EE1F280@BobsDell>

Hi gang,

I was wondering if anyone could send me some pictures of a Tiger with the 
LAT44 and 45 fender flares installed.

Thanks,
Bob
B9471388 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Jan 13 10:28:11 2012
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:28:11 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] World's Fastest Sunbeam Activity Report.  Part 3
Message-ID: <4F1069AB.6040403@mayfco.com>

Part 3
I will set the motor up on my run stand (yet to be fabricated!) to 
assure that the electronics and motor are happy before taking it to the 
engine dyno. No use wasting time and money there.  I am also planning on 
using a JW Ultrabell, SFI approved as a containment for the torque 
converter should it decide to go wandering about when in full boogey 
mode.  I love my feet just the way they are, lol... Headers will be 
simple block huger types with a short side out exhaust just behind the 
front wheels.   Auxiliary equipment will be reused from the 2010 motor: 
alternator, water pump, plumbing, etc.  A new 9 qt pan has been located 
and will be used as well. By the end of a 5 mile long run, there is a 
lot of oil up in the lifter gallery and in the heads that has not had 
time to drain back.  More oil is better and a dry sump wold be 
wonderful. They are, however, expensive to say the least and room is in 
short supply in this car.   That prety much covers teh drive train..oh, 
I am going to get a lightly longer drive shaft made up as well. I wold 
really hate it if the front yoke came out of the tranny, lol.. and this 
one seems too close for comfort for me.    I want a new parachute 
system, but this one will do for another year I guess.  I am also make a 
swoopier front nose piece for the car. If you have seen photographs of 
the car then it  is clear why that needs to be done, lol. It is like 
pushing a barn door through the air.  The new nose piece should permit 
faster speeds with less power (fingers crossed, lol).  I t has to be 
removeable because it is low to hte ground and out front a biut farther 
than the air dam in use now and it hits the trailer ramps.  Some where 
in there I have to purchase a HANS device as well.  This sport is 
expensive for a two meet per year season. And that's if World Finals 
happen in October.

As I start assembling bits and pieces, I will set up a section on my web 
site for show and tell photographs and verbiage to go along with them.

Later

mayf



-- 
______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From jliny5 at cox.net  Fri Jan 13 21:46:50 2012
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:46:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?
In-Reply-To: <005101ccaca2$4140d8b0$c3c28a10$@feitmail.com>
References: <005101ccaca2$4140d8b0$c3c28a10$@feitmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CBE78AB4D9C4CBDB16C54CBC8E51CC7@JHP>

Jeff

Yes it is still active but traffic has slowed in recent months. I was also 
on back about a year ago and just reestablished connectivity. Since getting 
back online I have noticed traffic is down significantly.

Jim Lindner

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeff Feit
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:16 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?

Just wondering if this mailing list is still active? I was on it a long time
ago.



Jeff Feit
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Jan 13 15:10:10 2012
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:10:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Missing Email
Message-ID: <4F10ABC2.1060201@mayfco.com>

I sent three messages to the List and not one of them has showed up... 
did any of you get the Activity reports on the Salt Flats Sunbeam?

mayf

-- 
______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From tiger-65 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 13 22:44:45 2012
From: tiger-65 at sbcglobal.net (Greg)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:44:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: More info on the: [Tiger Model] By: Automodello
 Sunbeam Tiger
Message-ID: <1326519885.21122.YahooMailClassic@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Jim, I sent this post out today & have not seen it reposted by you.
How long does it take to be reposted for everyone to view it?
Thanks, greg

--- On Fri, 1/13/12, Greg <gchalpin at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Greg <gchalpin at yahoo.com>
Subject: More info on the: [Tiger Model] By: Automodello Sunbeam Tiger
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 4:00 PM







Hi all Tiger enthusiasts,
I bought this carB model from their website,B it is on back order for their
production schedule to get started.
B 
So here's some additional background to the thread, I would appreciate it if
the Yahoo Tiger forum could post this information as written by
"Automodello",B  Thank You:
B 
- After much internal debate we are focused on the Mark I series instead of
the Mark 1A or rarer Mark II.
- The release is currently scheduled for Spring 2012 in two colors: Red and
British Racing Green.
- The models will include the removable hardtop, so it can be displayed
hardtop in place or as a convertible.
- The Red build is 999 and British Racing Green has not been determined yet.
- The builds are not serialized, instead the packaging will say 1 of 999.
- As it states in the posting, this model choice was selected by the readers
of Hemmings Blog, Hemmings Muscle Machines and Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car in
the contest we ran April through September last year. The Tiger was a 7 to 1
favorite.
- The models are available for pre-order from Diecasm (www.diecasm.com) and
can be seen at
http://www.diecasm.com/servlet/the-Marque-%7C-Brand-cln-Sunbeam/Categories
which will also be first will all ordering updates.
- Both cars are $94.95 on Diecasm.
- Working with us on the modelbs development are Michael Riechen of XTC
Automotive in Merrillville IN completed a nut and bolt restoration of a Tiger
for a client; and, Wayne Moyer of Dayton OH who owned two Tigers (Mark I and
Mark II). When we develop models we like to involve a small cadre of
owner/restorer experts to make sure we are nailing the details correctly. For
example, with the TVR M-Series we are releasing in February we enlisted (or
drafted) an expert who has owned their M since new.

Cheers & Happy New Year to ALL !!!
Greg
B 

--- On Sun, 1/8/12, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Automodello Sunbeam Tiger
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 10:44 AM


withB  <http://www.hemmings.com/> Hemmings Muscle Machines, the Hemmings blog
andB  <http://www.hemmings.com/> Hemmings Sports & Exoticar Car to help
Automodello identify its next car to model. The overwhelming suggestion by a
margin of 7 to 1 was the Sunbeam Tiger.

Keeping with the standards set by Automodello with their previous releases,
the Sunbeam Tiger is shipped with the removable hardtop. The exterior will
be red. And the steering wheel will be on the side where most North
Americans are most likely to see it. Production is limited to a build up to
999 units.

<http://www.automodello.com/> Automodello is a manufacturer specializing in
overlooked, neglected and interesting as well as new models from British,
European, North American and other marques. Automodello's inagural 1/43
model was the 1964 Griffith Series 200 and 1/24 is the 1938 Phantom Corsair.
The Sunbeam Tiger keeps with Automodello's tradition of releasing "hybrid"
automobiles where American V8 power is mated to a sexy British and European
bodies. Automodello has engaged another dream for Hemmings' readers!



http://www.automodello.com/sunbeamtiger.htm
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tigers at autox.team.net

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Jan 13 23:02:57 2012
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:02:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] World's Fastest Sunbeam Activity Report.  Part 1
Message-ID: <4F111A91.3040707@mayfco.com>

Part 1
I thought it was time to let the list know of my plans for this year 
with the TWFS.  2010 saw the flying mile speed of the old Slug exceeded 
with a top speed of 210.779 mph.  I plan on entering the car at the 
World of Speed in September this year with a new normally aspirated 
small block motor.  The motor is a 5 bolt bell housing 260 circa 1963 
vintage.  I know that far more 260 moors were in Tigers than the 289 
version so I chose that for  the new bragging rights event on the salt 
flats.  One of the goals is to show just how much horsepower can be made 
with the 260 configuration and then how well it will perform. I will be 
using an engine dyno this time around though since the last time I went 
to a chassis dyno, I ate a set of V rated tires when speeds wen above 
that, lol.  But this motor wold not have come about without teh express 
assistance forma couple of list members: Sandy Ganz and Owain Lloyd (who 
is currently off fooling around driving in the London to Capetown rally 
in a Mercedes).  Sandy provided me a lot of hardware: lightweight 4340 
rods, roller rockers, roller lifters and an extreme energy cam from comp 
cams.  Owain split the cost wih me for a set of new Air flow Research  
AFR 165 heads to put on the motor.  These are seriously generous 
contributions and they are mightily appreciated!  Two salt racers donate 
blocks, one of which was unfortunately damaged beyond repair.  And it 
had the best bore, dang it.  The second block has been align bored, 
decked and final bore finished to 3.810 inches.  You will notice that I 
have not mentioned pistons: that's because they are basically 
unobtanium, lol.  custom pistons are in work as we speak.  The 
compression ratio being planned for is 14:1!  That kinda puts this motor 
out of the street driven daily driver class...

see part 2

mayf

-- 
______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Jan 13 23:04:00 2012
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:04:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] World's Fastest Sunbeam Activity Report.  Part 2
Message-ID: <4F111AD0.1030200@mayfco.com>

Part 2
The induction system is a home cooked version. I am using a highly 
modified SBF truck lower manifold which has large runners and is nearly 
a direct shot at the intake vales on each runner. I ported the dickens 
out of this lower manifold and polished it quite a bit. It was port 
matched to the AFR intake opening on the heads.  The upper maifold is a 
new piece of my design and supports a massive 95 mm throttle body.  I 
think of this manifold as a linear tunnel ram.  The crankshaft has 
received attention also.  I destroked it! I was trying to maintain a 
final displacement less that 260 cubic inches and so I had the crank 
destroked to 2.84 inches. Not much, but, keeps final displacement just 
under 260 cid.    I polished the crank some before the machining 
operations and when it is returned i will be neutral balanced. Ie, no 
external weights. I am not happy with having large lumps on the ends of 
the crank  because thos impart bending moments into the crank.  I have e 
neutral balance flex plate and will get a damper that is neutral 
balanced also.  Balance will be through the use of tungsten slugs welded 
into pockets int eh cranks counter weights. The rods that the Professor, 
Sandy Ganz, provided will make this a long rod motor with what should be 
lots of torque. Rpm will be kept below 6500 though.  One thing that is 
pesky is the use of my 989 Performance Automatic AOD transmission. 6 
bolt tranny vs 5 bolt bell housing pattern... yeah there is an adapter 
available...for a mere 695 dollars! So I have fabricated my own. 
Actually pretty simple.  One last part to fab and that is done.  The 
drive train from the bell housing back is identical to the one used in 
2010.  I am gong to obtain new Bonneville tires though. 440 dollars 
each..ouch!

see part 3


mayf

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______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 01:22:27 2012
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:22:27 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] alloy heads on stock 260
Message-ID: <CAET8snWuRKr=zpxOAoTuiK1V1+ms=Og7BvwAqtq=MhA_vEUV-w@mail.gmail.com>

I am sure this was covered about 2 years back, but cant find the
thread via searches.

Can you fit alloy heads and roller rockers to a stock 260? I know that
most all the alloys heads seem to have a larger combustion chamber
size, and the block would need to be tapped to fir the web/girdle for
the roller rockers... but are there valve to piston issues, to lower
compression or anything to watch for?

What heads have people used?

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sat Jan 14 04:57:29 2012
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:57:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] alloy heads on stock 260
Message-ID: <3937.688f0a70.3c42c7a9@aol.com>

Edelbrock   No problems so far. Hawaii Racing says 40+HP and  solves the 
cooling problem with the tiger. Just breaking it in now, it's  fast.
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2012 10:27:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

I am  sure this was covered about 2 years back, but cant find the
thread via  searches.

Can you fit alloy heads and roller rockers to a stock 260? I  know that
most all the alloys heads seem to have a larger combustion  chamber
size, and the block would need to be tapped to fir the web/girdle  for
the roller rockers... but are there valve to piston issues, to  lower
compression or anything to watch for?

What heads have people  used?

-- 
Regards

Michael  King
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From jeff at feitmail.com  Sat Jan 14 07:16:32 2012
From: jeff at feitmail.com (Jeff Feit)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:16:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?
In-Reply-To: <0CBE78AB4D9C4CBDB16C54CBC8E51CC7@JHP>
References: <005101ccaca2$4140d8b0$c3c28a10$@feitmail.com>
	<0CBE78AB4D9C4CBDB16C54CBC8E51CC7@JHP>
Message-ID: <009601ccd2c7$1e2ecc10$5a8c6430$@feitmail.com>

I originally re-subscribed (or so I thought) in November, but never received
any messages... so I sent that email back in November. Then later in
December I made a few more subscription attempts. Now all of a sudden in
January I started getting messages, and my email from November just came
through.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Lindner [mailto:jliny5 at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:47 PM
To: Jeff Feit; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?

Jeff

Yes it is still active but traffic has slowed in recent months. I was also
on back about a year ago and just reestablished connectivity. Since getting
back online I have noticed traffic is down significantly.

Jim Lindner

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Feit
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:16 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?

Just wondering if this mailing list is still active? I was on it a long time
ago.



Jeff Feit
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Jan 14 14:07:48 2012
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:07:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?
References: <005101ccaca2$4140d8b0$c3c28a10$@feitmail.com>
	<0CBE78AB4D9C4CBDB16C54CBC8E51CC7@JHP>
Message-ID: <23D7462C4CFF4526A7B28933B2606142@student2>

Yes, the list has still been active, but traffic has been very, very light.

I would assume for a number of reasons:

1. The economy.

2. I think a fair number of people have migrated to Forums at Sunbeam 
specific sites.

3. Information that was exchanged on this mail list is now more readily 
available on the internet.

4. At times people had disagreements. Whether in protest or disgust they 
left.

5. At times some people would get upset if the same subject was posted too 
often. Rather than exchange dialogue, the poster was succinctly told to use 
the search function - first. Sadly I think this turned away first time 
posters (who probably didn't even know about the search function).

That said, there are still very knowledgeable people who do respond to 
posts.  It's just not like it was in the "early new millennium" (2000) when 
I first joined.

Tom 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 18:23:00 2012
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:23:00 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?
In-Reply-To: <23D7462C4CFF4526A7B28933B2606142@student2>
References: <005101ccaca2$4140d8b0$c3c28a10$@feitmail.com>
	<0CBE78AB4D9C4CBDB16C54CBC8E51CC7@JHP>
	<23D7462C4CFF4526A7B28933B2606142@student2>
Message-ID: <CAET8snUcockdrMhr=0szhvDVtR6HKRXeR=4sj0piUFabfQCFxA@mail.gmail.com>

I think what killed the list off was the fact that we had a few
crashes in 2011 that booted people off and they struggled to re-sign
in.. then it did it again.. think lots of people just gave up. Some
migrated to the forums.. but nowhere near as many as were active on
the list...



On 15/01/2012, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
> Yes, the list has still been active, but traffic has been very, very light.
>
> I would assume for a number of reasons:
>
> 1. The economy.
>
> 2. I think a fair number of people have migrated to Forums at Sunbeam
> specific sites.
>
> 3. Information that was exchanged on this mail list is now more readily
> available on the internet.
>
> 4. At times people had disagreements. Whether in protest or disgust they
> left.
>
> 5. At times some people would get upset if the same subject was posted too
> often. Rather than exchange dialogue, the poster was succinctly told to use
> the search function - first. Sadly I think this turned away first time
> posters (who probably didn't even know about the search function).
>
> That said, there are still very knowledgeable people who do respond to
> posts.  It's just not like it was in the "early new millennium" (2000) when
> I first joined.
>
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
>
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Sat Jan 14 22:04:30 2012
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:04:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
Message-ID: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>

Don't discount death.Tiger owners aren't getting any younger.  However,
those that pass on without notifying the list should be banned.

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 14 23:34:49 2012
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:34:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snUcockdrMhr=0szhvDVtR6HKRXeR=4sj0piUFabfQCFxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005101ccaca2$4140d8b0$c3c28a10$@feitmail.com>
	<0CBE78AB4D9C4CBDB16C54CBC8E51CC7@JHP>
	<23D7462C4CFF4526A7B28933B2606142@student2>
	<CAET8snUcockdrMhr=0szhvDVtR6HKRXeR=4sj0piUFabfQCFxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1326609289.5618.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

hopefully questions ask and newbies will help to reactivate the LIST. Ithink
is has been very succesful in helping owners and hope it continues to be along
with club memberships as well.
TtT


>________________________________
>From:
michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
>To: Thomas Witt
<atwittsend at verizon.net> 
>Cc: tigers at autox.team.net 
>Sent: Saturday, January
14, 2012 7:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?
>
>I think what killed the list off was the fact that we had a few
>crashes in
2011 that booted people off and they struggled to re-sign
>in.. then it did it
again.. think lots of people just gave up. Some
>migrated to the forums.. but
nowhere near as many as were active on
>the list...
>
>
>
>On 15/01/2012,
Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Yes, the list has still been
active, but traffic has been very, very light.
>>
>> I would assume for a
number of reasons:
>>
>> 1. The economy.
>>
>> 2. I think a fair number of
people have migrated to Forums at Sunbeam
>> specific sites.
>>
>> 3.
Information that was exchanged on this mail list is now more readily
>>
available on the internet.
>>
>> 4. At times people had disagreements. Whether
in protest or disgust they
>> left.
>>
>> 5. At times some people would get
upset if the same subject was posted too
>> often. Rather than exchange
dialogue, the poster was succinctly told to use
>> the search function -
first. Sadly I think this turned away first time
>> posters (who probably
didn't even know about the search function).
>>
>> That said, there are still
very knowledgeable people who do respond to
>> posts.  It's just not like it
was in the "early new millennium" (2000) when
>> I first joined.
>>
>> Tom
>>
_______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>Michael King
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>
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From tgrrr at meadowcrk.com  Sun Jan 15 12:40:41 2012
From: tgrrr at meadowcrk.com (Bob H)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:40:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
References: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
Message-ID: <1CDFFE7210EC4F7F8D5DBBFAE6DBAAFB@bob>

 "Dave, stop. Stop, will you? Stop, Dave. Will you stop, Dave? Stop, Dave. 
I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can 
feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it."


> Don't discount death.Tiger owners aren't getting any younger.  However,
> those that pass on without notifying the list should be banned.
> _______________________________________________

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jan 15 13:17:33 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:17:33 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
In-Reply-To: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
References: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
Message-ID: <4F13345D.3030805@bradakis.com>

Kirk Smith wrote:
> Don't discount death.Tiger owners aren't getting any younger.

That is my least favorite task involved with running the lists,
when a surviving spouse, family member or whatever request
the removal of someone who has passed away.  Some I know
like Frank Clarici on spridgets, Fred Thomas on triumphs, Jack
Drews of FOT.  Some I don't know personally but it still saddens
me.  Sigh.

mjb.

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sun Jan 15 13:37:48 2012
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:37:48 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
In-Reply-To: <1CDFFE7210EC4F7F8D5DBBFAE6DBAAFB@bob>
References: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
	<1CDFFE7210EC4F7F8D5DBBFAE6DBAAFB@bob>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C0BC8DE@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

For the last year and a bit I've been involved at work on a project that's
compelling enough to take a lot of my free time as well, and that necessarily
reduces the Tiger stuff I do and consequently the amount I post. Hopefully the
project should wrap in the March-April timeframe and it will be a good
Tigering summer.

Then there's training for Boston. Anyone else on the list doing that this
year?

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob H
> Sent: January 15, 2012 12:41 PM
> To: Tigers
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] list inactivity
>
>  "Dave, stop. Stop, will you? Stop, Dave. Will you stop, Dave? Stop,
> Dave.
> I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I
> can
> feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel
> it."
>
>
> > Don't discount death.Tiger owners aren't getting any younger.
> However,
> > those that pass on without notifying the list should be banned.
> > _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From mjsutter at cox.net  Sun Jan 15 21:37:32 2012
From: mjsutter at cox.net (Mike and Jeri Sutter)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:37:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mailing List Still Active
Message-ID: <3469B13B42E94B57964B0BD440489F3D@SutterPC>

There are probably still some old timers, and mid-timers lurking about.

I joined in about January 1996 and traffic was busy then. I sold my Tiger in
2005, but still continued to subscribe, thinking that I wanted to put a Tiger
vintage racer together some day. From time to time I still see some of the old
names like Tony Somebody, Tim Ronak, Mayf, and Theo on here, but I agree that
the later Sunbeam forums have probably led to the decline in traffic here. The
subject of death was brought up, and unfortunately that has claimed a few.

I have a Pantera now and conversely, the Pantera list is still very active,
even with the competition from glitzier forums.

It'll be a sad day when and if this list does finally die. During my tenure as
a Tiger owner, this was "the" place for advice and information. So many people
on here helped me during my rebuild and restoration, and I probably would have
made a lot more mistakes on my car if I hadn't had access to this resource.

I'll be lurking here 'til the lights go out.

Mike Sutter

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 16 05:43:29 2012
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 04:43:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mailing List Still Active
In-Reply-To: <3469B13B42E94B57964B0BD440489F3D@SutterPC>
Message-ID: <1326717809.74728.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

If you bought your Tiger new you are 70+. I bought mine used in 1985 and I am
70+. My Tiger looks and runs like new. I don't.   My Tiger and  four 
Crossfires will keep me going to 140. They are limited to 155.  I gave my
tiger  spares to Doug Jennings. I still have a spare series 1 hardtop. Nobody
needs it.. I am building a Norton Cafe 850  from spares.Gary  B9472283.

--- On Mon, 1/16/12, Mike and Jeri Sutter <mjsutter at cox.net> wrote:

From: Mike and Jeri Sutter <mjsutter at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mailing List Still Active
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:37 AM

There are probably still some old timers, and mid-timers lurking about.

I joined in about January 1996 and traffic was busy then. I sold my Tiger in
2005, but still continued to subscribe, thinking that I wanted to put a Tiger
vintage racer together some day. From time to time I still see some of the
old
names like Tony Somebody, Tim Ronak, Mayf, and Theo on here, but I agree that
the later Sunbeam forums have probably led to the decline in traffic here.
The
subject of death was brought up, and unfortunately that has claimed a few.

I have a Pantera now and conversely, the Pantera list is still very active,
even with the competition from glitzier forums.

It'll be a sad day when and if this list does finally die. During my tenure
as
a Tiger owner, this was "the" place for advice and information. So many
people
on here helped me during my rebuild and restoration, and I probably would
have
made a lot more mistakes on my car if I hadn't had access to this resource.

I'll be lurking here 'til the lights go out.

Mike Sutter
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From phastphill at aol.com  Mon Jan 16 09:12:08 2012
From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:12:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
In-Reply-To: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
References: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
Message-ID: <8CEA280BAE48C89-1D0C-3CBEE@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com>

sorry have not sent much,typing hard sine my strokr, but geeting better and
follow everything new posi and rebuilt rear suspension in tiger,lat hood
obtained car stripped and in body shop for new paint for the tampa bay guys
this is craigs old car.....cheers...phil



-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Smith <twotigers at verizon.net>
To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2012 7:06 pm
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity


Don't discount death.Tiger owners aren't getting any younger.  However,
those that pass on without notifying the list should be banned.
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From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Mon Jan 16 13:48:35 2012
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:48:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
Message-ID: <1ac59.25030ec8.3c45e723@aol.com>

Mike Sutter wrote:


There are probably still some old timers, and mid-timers lurking  about.
-----------------------------------
 
Holy cow, it just dawned on my this will be my 30th year owning my  Tiger.  
How did that happen?
 
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger  Club    Seattle

From scattt at verizon.net  Mon Jan 16 14:52:30 2012
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:52:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
References: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
	<8CEA280BAE48C89-1D0C-3CBEE@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com>
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Hey Phil: I just finished installing a new Boss block stroked to 327ci. in 
my Mk-II. It dynoed out at 400 hp at 6200 rpm.  What color are you going to 
paint Craigs old car? If I remember correctly it should be light blue. Good 
luck with the project!
Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <phastphill at aol.com>
To: <twotigers at verizon.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] list inactivity


> sorry have not sent much,typing hard sine my strokr, but geeting better 
> and
> follow everything new posi and rebuilt rear suspension in tiger,lat hood
> obtained car stripped and in body shop for new paint for the tampa bay 
> guys
> this is craigs old car.....cheers...phil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Smith <twotigers at verizon.net>
> To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2012 7:06 pm
> Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
>
>
> Don't discount death.Tiger owners aren't getting any younger.  However,
> those that pass on without notifying the list should be banned.
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Jan 16 15:00:50 2012
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:00:50 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Craigs List IMP
Message-ID: <4F149E12.2040804@mayfco.com>

A friend sent me this notice of an IMP for sale in tH Puget Sound area. 
Actually in Ballard.
usual disclaimers apply unless you want to send me a pile of Benjamins 
for finders fee, lol...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/2788300842.html

mayf

-- 
______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From jimmc13 at hughes.net  Mon Jan 16 15:25:32 2012
From: jimmc13 at hughes.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:25:32 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's List
Message-ID: <6E41233A4C6A40DCB3264E41CF96F443@RedBudAdminPC>

Here's hoping the list is still active since I am just now starting on my
Tiger restoration, just received redone steering wheel from Ken Corbin. It
is beautiful!  Engine is complete, trans being rebuilt. I am looking forward
to helpful info from all of you.  PropPrep Interiors working on interior.
Exciting stuff, this is my 2nd Tiger restoration.
Jim
Mark 1a
B382000175

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Jan 16 18:03:44 2012
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:03:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's List
In-Reply-To: <6E41233A4C6A40DCB3264E41CF96F443@RedBudAdminPC>
Message-ID: <E5FD85B78BCD4B488C2FBF863585EDC6@ronpc1>

Jim
	I think you will find there are plenty of people still on the list
to help you.

Do you still have the original 260 engine?

If so I'm working on an Original Tiger Engine Study from a Ford part number
point of view and I hope you would participate.   I have an information
sheet for the engine if your interested.  Contact me off List.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:26 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's List


Here's hoping the list is still active since I am just now starting on my
Tiger restoration, just received redone steering wheel from Ken Corbin. It
is beautiful!  Engine is complete, trans being rebuilt. I am looking forward
to helpful info from all of you.  PropPrep Interiors working on interior.
Exciting stuff, this is my 2nd Tiger restoration. Jim Mark 1a B382000175
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From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Mon Jan 16 18:52:25 2012
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:52:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] Craigs List IMP
Message-ID: <16b83.799a6f27.3c462e59@aol.com>

The seller is a PTC Member and a square-shooter / good guy located just  
north of me in Central-North Seattle (Ballard).  I hope his cars find good  
homes.
 
Jim
 
 
_drmayf at mayfco.com_ (mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com)  writes:

A friend  sent me this notice of an IMP for sale in tH Puget Sound area. 
Actually in  Ballard.http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/2788300842.html

From c_mottram at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 16 19:28:20 2012
From: c_mottram at yahoo.com (Chris Mottram)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:28:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] List inactivity
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References: <mailman.13.1326740403.31649.tigers@autox.team.net>
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I joined in 1995-1996 time frame when the tigers list split from the LBC
list.  I have seen several email friends  pass away on the list - I still
think about Ray Gibbons http://www.team.net/sol/solers/gibbons.html and Bo
Cheadle, although I never met them in person.   I seem to have been
overwhelmed with too many Sunbeam projects (1955 MK3 DHC + Alpine SV) on top
of trying to wrap up that last 5% on the Tiger MK1a. During all this
protracted auto restoration , I seem to have allowed a family and career to
occur. Then there is that pesky running and cycling habit that I need to keep
up with in order to keep me from needing an engine transplant more so than my
Tiger.  I'll pipe up some more when I start trying to undo the crappy body
work on the front clip or put that soft top on that I purchased in 1996.

 
Chris
 
View this at your own risk > http://www.usdebtclock.org/

From dave.gilmore at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 16 20:07:15 2012
From: dave.gilmore at sbcglobal.net (david gilmore)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:07:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] still kickin and enjoying the Tiger
Message-ID: <1326769635.66590.YahooMailClassic@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I too hope the forum goes on for a long time.  I owned my first MK1 back in
the mid 70's and sold it so my Brother and I could go SCCA Showroom Stock
Sedan racing (back when door banging was OK).  Went to the Runoff's a couple
of times then moved on to Formula Vee and some Formula Ford stuff.  Just
turned 60 and decided we needed a fun toy car.  Was just about to pull the
trigger on a Lotus Elise when my wife reminded me "you can get into the SOB
now, but how bout 10 years from now since this is supposedly your last cool
car".  Went Tiger hunting and found the nice MKII picture attached.  I've met
a ton of helpful Tiger owners in the last year who have all been great sources
of information and suggestions.  Keep up the good work guys! 

Thank you,
Dave Gilmore
Leawood, Kansas
Cell 913-488-1459
Home 913-381-1459

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Jan 16 20:37:18 2012
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:37:18 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity (owners age)
References: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
Message-ID: <2AFA9C3E50C641C8B9ACB11918973AAD@student2>

With all this talk about getting "old-er" I thought I'd send this out... 
again.  In 2006 I did a survey of Tiger owners age. I got 105 replies.  Make 
sure you add 6 years to the numbers now and sadly account for the departed. 
BTW my math says I jumped into another (the largest) group.    Tom

-------------------

I was able to use the ages of 105 of you who responded.

The youngest owner is - Joey (of course) at 15

The oldest owner is - Bill Carroll at 91 (or soon to be)

There were 2 people under 30

There were 10 people between 30 and 40

There were 28 people between 40 and 50

There were 32 people between 50 and 60

There were 29 people between 60 and 70

There were 3 people between 70 and 80

There were 0 people between 80 and 90

There is 1 person between 90 and 100

And, the average age worked out to be.... 53.3 years old.

 If you were 16 (the assumed youngest age to drive) when the Tiger was
available as a true 1965 model you would be 57 today. That falls right into
the largest age group.

With me at 48 I stand corrected that I am 5+ years under the average rather
than slightly over as I had thought (but why do I feel so old???)

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 20:49:40 2012
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:49:40 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity (owners age)
In-Reply-To: <2AFA9C3E50C641C8B9ACB11918973AAD@student2>
References: <000001ccd343$2a5f4ce0$7f1de6a0$@net>
	<2AFA9C3E50C641C8B9ACB11918973AAD@student2>
Message-ID: <CAET8snWFeijv3rsim=80AU5V0DMr8Xwo7TybB=Obojc96NqKJA@mail.gmail.com>

I bought my Tiger in December 2006.. i was 26 at the time, it arrived
down under in may 2007 by which time had turned 27.... it is 5 years
since i bought the tiger and i have owned my SII Alpine since 17th
december 1996... when i was still 17!

I guess now that i have broken the 30 bracket.. as has Owain there are
probably even less sub-30 owners.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon Jan 16 20:54:27 2012
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's List
In-Reply-To: <E5FD85B78BCD4B488C2FBF863585EDC6@ronpc1>
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Hi Ron,

Jim Lindner here. It has been a while, but I have finally gotten back on the 
list.

I have one of the first Tigers to roll off the line (0033) but the original 
engine is long gone. The original engine was 1048 E7KL. I have a 260 with a 
correct block (C3OE-6015B) but the pad has been milled so no build date 
code. The casting date is 3D18. Way back we discussed that this might be a 
bit early for the 7 Nov 63 build date, but just wondering if you have 
developed anymore info on that first batch of 260s.

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Jim'" <jimmc13 at hughes.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger's List


> Jim
> I think you will find there are plenty of people still on the list
> to help you.
>
> Do you still have the original 260 engine?
>
> If so I'm working on an Original Tiger Engine Study from a Ford part 
> number
> point of view and I hope you would participate.   I have an information
> sheet for the engine if your interested.  Contact me off List.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:26 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's List
>
>
> Here's hoping the list is still active since I am just now starting on my
> Tiger restoration, just received redone steering wheel from Ken Corbin. It
> is beautiful!  Engine is complete, trans being rebuilt. I am looking 
> forward
> to helpful info from all of you.  PropPrep Interiors working on interior.
> Exciting stuff, this is my 2nd Tiger restoration. Jim Mark 1a B382000175
> _______________________________________________
>
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Mon Jan 16 23:24:48 2012
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:24:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's List
In-Reply-To: <BC0FA12AA23B45169CDF468FFAD7915C@JPC>
References: <E5FD85B78BCD4B488C2FBF863585EDC6@ronpc1>
	<BC0FA12AA23B45169CDF468FFAD7915C@JPC>
Message-ID: <177F5D95-D2F0-495F-AAF7-722A09DA10C5@mac.com>

Rob Bernardino still here.
As you know been hopping around the country with my MK1A since I bought it off my dad in 2004. First it was Atlanta, GA. Then New Haven, CA. Now Carmel, CA. 
Moved out here last year and had Paul Reisentz get the car sorted and back on the road.
Been on a few road rally's with my son, Trevor, now 4 years old.
Two weeks ago, treated me and the car to a new paint job. You can see the paint and some of the rallye pics on the link below.

http://gallery.me.com/crbernardino

As for some reasons why the list may wax and wane is also alternatives. I am active in a Tiger group on Facebook. It is a nice group because it is easier to attach pictures, comment, and give feedback. I have gotten lots of help with this group but the technology of the facebook hosted group is appealing. Also active in the CAT forum. And check the TE/AE forum. Only so many hours in the day.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/58077944065/

As for my prepping the Tiger for the track, the link below gives me pause. Upside, the driver is completely unscathed and the engine of the cobra is for sale.

http://jalopnik.com/5876499/


Rob - 40 years young.

On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:54 PM, James Lindner wrote:

> Hi Ron,
> 
> Jim Lindner here. It has been a while, but I have finally gotten back on the list.
> 
> I have one of the first Tigers to roll off the line (0033) but the original engine is long gone. The original engine was 1048 E7KL. I have a 260 with a correct block (C3OE-6015B) but the pad has been milled so no build date code. The casting date is 3D18. Way back we discussed that this might be a bit early for the 7 Nov 63 build date, but just wondering if you have developed anymore info on that first batch of 260s.
> 
> Jim
> ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: "'Jim'" <jimmc13 at hughes.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger's List
> 
> 
>> Jim
>> I think you will find there are plenty of people still on the list
>> to help you.
>> 
>> Do you still have the original 260 engine?
>> 
>> If so I'm working on an Original Tiger Engine Study from a Ford part number
>> point of view and I hope you would participate.   I have an information
>> sheet for the engine if your interested.  Contact me off List.
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Jim
>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:26 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger's List
>> 
>> 
>> Here's hoping the list is still active since I am just now starting on my
>> Tiger restoration, just received redone steering wheel from Ken Corbin. It
>> is beautiful!  Engine is complete, trans being rebuilt. I am looking forward
>> to helpful info from all of you.  PropPrep Interiors working on interior.
>> Exciting stuff, this is my 2nd Tiger restoration. Jim Mark 1a B382000175
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 17 04:46:49 2012
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 03:46:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity (owners age)
In-Reply-To: <2AFA9C3E50C641C8B9ACB11918973AAD@student2>
Message-ID: <1326800809.44950.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

  I found out today that I am Elderly. Which means I have lived beyond  my
life expectancy of 67 years old. This is a world wide figure. Not just USA.  
Why do I feel like I am 30?   I ingest Epsom Salt to get my Magnesium.  
Google it.     My  Mark 1   B9472283. is  Kept young with Waxoyl.     gary
moore.
--- On Tue, 1/17/12, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] list inactivity (owners age)
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 3:37 AM

With all this talk about getting "old-er" I thought I'd send this out...
again.  In 2006 I did a survey of Tiger owners age. I got 105 replies.  Make
sure you add 6 years to the numbers now and sadly account for the departed.
BTW my math says I jumped into another (the largest) group.    Tom

-------------------

I was able to use the ages of 105 of you who responded.

The youngest owner is - Joey (of course) at 15

The oldest owner is - Bill Carroll at 91 (or soon to be)

There were 2 people under 30

There were 10 people between 30 and 40

There were 28 people between 40 and 50

There were 32 people between 50 and 60

There were 29 people between 60 and 70

There were 3 people between 70 and 80

There were 0 people between 80 and 90

There is 1 person between 90 and 100

And, the average age worked out to be.... 53.3 years old.

If you were 16 (the assumed youngest age to drive) when the Tiger was
available as a true 1965 model you would be 57 today. That falls right into
the largest age group.

With me at 48 I stand corrected that I am 5+ years under the average rather
than slightly over as I had thought (but why do I feel so old???)
_______________________________________________

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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Jan 17 05:35:23 2012
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:35:23 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity (owners age)
In-Reply-To: <1326800809.44950.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <2AFA9C3E50C641C8B9ACB11918973AAD@student2>,
	<1326800809.44950.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D464F207-88CB-40DB-B00B-3C58B3CEAB17@lwpb.com>

I've had my tiger for about... 5 years. Bought it with sheet metal issues,
made the body repairs and it's been on the rotisserie ever since. I think
about it everyday but I got sidetracked on a car that I wanted even before my
tiger. I wanted a cobra (or a copy of one would do) ever since I was about 10.
That was 25 years ago. 10+25= current age of 35. Tiger is coming back up very
soon!

Cullen
B382001452 LROFE
Oklahoma city


Sent from my iPhone.

On Jan 17, 2012, at 5:54 AM, "arado7 at sbcglobal.net" <arado7 at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>  I found out today that I am Elderly. Which means I have lived beyond  my
> life expectancy of 67 years old. This is a world wide figure. Not just USA.
> Why do I feel like I am 30?   I ingest Epsom Salt to get my Magnesium.
> Google it.     My  Mark 1   B9472283. is  Kept young with Waxoyl.     gary
> moore.
> --- On Tue, 1/17/12, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] list inactivity (owners age)
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 3:37 AM
>
> With all this talk about getting "old-er" I thought I'd send this out...
> again.  In 2006 I did a survey of Tiger owners age. I got 105 replies.
Make
> sure you add 6 years to the numbers now and sadly account for the departed.
> BTW my math says I jumped into another (the largest) group.    Tom
>
> -------------------
>
> I was able to use the ages of 105 of you who responded.
>
> The youngest owner is - Joey (of course) at 15
>
> The oldest owner is - Bill Carroll at 91 (or soon to be)
>
> There were 2 people under 30
>
> There were 10 people between 30 and 40
>
> There were 28 people between 40 and 50
>
> There were 32 people between 50 and 60
>
> There were 29 people between 60 and 70
>
> There were 3 people between 70 and 80
>
> There were 0 people between 80 and 90
>
> There is 1 person between 90 and 100
>
> And, the average age worked out to be.... 53.3 years old.
>
> If you were 16 (the assumed youngest age to drive) when the Tiger was
> available as a true 1965 model you would be 57 today. That falls right into
> the largest age group.
>
> With me at 48 I stand corrected that I am 5+ years under the average rather
> than slightly over as I had thought (but why do I feel so old???)
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From cburruss at hiwaay.net  Tue Jan 17 11:08:26 2012
From: cburruss at hiwaay.net (James W. Burruss, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:08:26 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity (owners age)
Message-ID: <D8592476D47C4969BFD899249E3CC209@Main>

I'm the second owner of my '65 Tiger, for 43 years now.  I autocrossed it
for 6 years before deciding that it was worth saving and moving on to a
series of competition cars for autocross and SCCA Solo I (now called Time
Trials).  I've given up the comp driving; but I still have other toys, so
the Tiger doesn't get doted on very much.  At about 105K miles, it's
essentially stock, the British red paint still shines (but on a quiet day
you can hear it fade), and it runs better than its owner.  I'm 72, so most
of you "old" guys won't get much sympathy from me; but I do enjoy - and
still learn from - your posts to the list.  I receive the list in digest
form, and it's a rare day that I don't receive at least one.  Thanks to you
all, and keep posting!

 

Jim Burruss

North Alabama

B9472671

From tgrrr at meadowcrk.com  Tue Jan 17 15:23:20 2012
From: tgrrr at meadowcrk.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:23:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
References: <1ac59.25030ec8.3c45e723@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F40707D33EF04E3D8C4E383742DFF514@bob>

Short-Timer!

Harrumph!

Bob



> Holy cow, it just dawned on my this will be my 30th year owning my  Tiger.
> How did that happen?
>
> Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger  Club    Seattle
> _______________________________________________

From Landcmitch at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 15:59:29 2012
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:59:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
Message-ID: <d42c.4f03ced4.3c475750@aol.com>

Bought mine December 18, 1964.  Anybody beat that?  I'm  also  very close 
to 3/4 century mark.   
Getting hard to get under the dash .
 
B9470574
Charlie
 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2012 2:48:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
tgrrr at meadowcrk.com writes:

Short-Timer!

Harrumph!

Bob



> Holy cow,  it just dawned on my this will be my 30th year owning my  
Tiger.
>  How did that happen?
>
> Jim Leach    Pacific  Tiger  Club    Seattle
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From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 16:07:18 2012
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:07:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
Message-ID: <b17e.697e79fc.3c475926@aol.com>

Careful Bob,
 
I might have to pass you (at 7,500 rpm) on the Freeway with my Alpine,  
again!
 
Jim  : )
 
 
_tgrrr at meadowcrk.com_ (mailto:tgrrr at meadowcrk.com)  writes:

Short-Timer!

Harrumph!

Bob



> Holy  cow, it just dawned on my this will be my 30th year owning my   
Tiger.
> How did that happen?
>
> Jim Leach     Pacific Tiger  Club    Seattle
>  _______________________________________________

From cbowland at msn.com  Tue Jan 17 18:02:13 2012
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:02:13 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 13" Tires
Message-ID: <BLU166-ds5B2D80032E487BD9C0A26DB810@phx.gbl>

Several months ago there was a string of e-mails regarding 13" tires. Little
did I knee at that time of their virtual disappearance from the market.

I had purchased some Sumitomos @ $47.00 from the Tire Rack. When I went to
check out an additional purchase the only 13" tire they had were several top
of the line semi comp tire @ about $175.00 ea. Nothing wrong with these at all
but they are not exactly every day cruisers.

Later last year, in September/October I placed an order with Tires on Line
only to be told that the tire I wanted "Formoza" by Federal Tire was not
available. This due to the weather issues that Japan had suffered.

Earlier this week I place an order with
www.OnlineTires.com<http://www.onlinetires.com/> for a 205-60-13 @$58.74 at .
Looks like they have them.

Additional tire sources would be Cooker for less "sporting" sizes.

Not trying to sell tires here but make sources known.

Curt in Chicago

From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:27:23 2012
From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:27:23 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Throwout bearing lever
Message-ID: <DUB0-P1-EAS25F4130BEA2D4B5DA6F758AE810@phx.gbl>

I for one really appreciate the technical expertise on this list. Speaking of,
I just got my tranny back from the shop that swapped the gears for me. They
took the throwout bearing lever off and gave it back to me in a box. When I
went to reinstall the lever (with a new bearing) I noticed it has two small
holes at the pivot point but I didn't get a pin or bolt back with the lever. I
can't tell if there was one there to begin with to help keep the lever in
place or if it just sits on the metal pivot point on the bell housing (6
bolt)?

Thanks,

Nathan Johnson
B32002343

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 17 23:06:25 2012
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:06:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
In-Reply-To: <d42c.4f03ced4.3c475750@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1326866785.93504.YahooMailClassic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

The dash must be growing. They do that, you know.

--- On Tue, 1/17/12, Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com> wrote:


From: Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] list inactivity
To: tgrrr at meadowcrk.com, tigers at autox.team.net, TIGEROOTES at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 2:59 PM


Bought mine December 18, 1964.  Anybody beat that?  I'm  also  very close
to 3/4 century mark.   
Getting hard to get under the dash .

B9470574
Charlie


In a message dated 1/17/2012 2:48:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
tgrrr at meadowcrk.com writes:

Short-Timer!

Harrumph!

Bob



> Holy cow,  it just dawned on my this will be my 30th year owning my 
Tiger.
>  How did that happen?
>
> Jim Leach    Pacific  Tiger  Club    Seattle
>  _______________________________________________
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From genepadgett at comcast.net  Wed Jan 18 08:33:51 2012
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:33:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] list inactivity
In-Reply-To: <1326866785.93504.YahooMailClassic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2005076164.947641.1326900831401.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I am a relative newcomer to the list even though I have owned my Tiger since new 1967. The quality of information available from members of the list is by far the best of any I have found anywhere. I hope the list keeps going for a very long time to come. 

As for still being able to work on my car these days, I would say my problem is not so much getting under the dash as it is getting back out! 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary" <maliburevue at yahoo.com> 
To: Landcmitch at aol.com 
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:06:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] list inactivity 

The dash must be growing. They do that, you know. 

--- On Tue, 1/17/12, Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com> wrote: 


From: Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com> 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] list inactivity 
To: tgrrr at meadowcrk.com, tigers at autox.team.net, TIGEROOTES at aol.com 
Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 2:59 PM 


Bought mine December 18, 1964. Anybody beat that? I'm also very close 
to 3/4 century mark. 
Getting hard to get under the dash . 

B9470574 
Charlie 


In a message dated 1/17/2012 2:48:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
tgrrr at meadowcrk.com writes: 

Short-Timer! 

Harrumph! 

Bob 



> Holy cow, it just dawned on my this will be my 30th year owning my 
Tiger. 
> How did that happen? 
> 
> Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jan 18 08:41:25 2012
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:41:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Throwout bearing lever
In-Reply-To: <DUB0-P1-EAS25F4130BEA2D4B5DA6F758AE810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2BD4E01DC5E44F128115F5A9DF341928@ronpc1>

Nathan
	Are you referring to the holes at the sides of the arm?
They are for a wire spring; Ford part number AB-7562-A.

Shop manual barely shows this part; Section D, pg 2

Parts List shows it better; part #5 in the picture.
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/6-FF-ClutchsAnd
Controls.pdf

Always be positive about your engine configuration; it can be very
important.
You stated (6 bolt)?
If you have a 260 engine it is only a 5 bolt engine.
If it is a 289 it could be a 5 or a 6 bolt depending on the engine casting
number.

I don't think there is a difference in this set up between these two but
confusion can rain in when we are trying to help long distance.

Originally your Tiger had a 260 engine

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Nathan Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:27 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Throwout bearing lever


I for one really appreciate the technical expertise on this list. Speaking
of, I just got my tranny back from the shop that swapped the gears for me.
They took the throwout bearing lever off and gave it back to me in a box.
When I went to reinstall the lever (with a new bearing) I noticed it has two
small holes at the pivot point but I didn't get a pin or bolt back with the
lever. I can't tell if there was one there to begin with to help keep the
lever in place or if it just sits on the metal pivot point on the bell
housing (6 bolt)?

Thanks,

Nathan Johnson
B32002343
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From b9473281 at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 12:59:26 2012
From: b9473281 at aol.com (James Schultz)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:59:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ownership
Message-ID: <8CEA432D0F02EBE-1A0C-C039@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>

I was just telling my children the other day that I've had my Tiger since
1974...38 years, and yes hard to get under the dash these days....

From CALUMETAIR at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 13:56:04 2012
From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com (CALUMETAIR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:56:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
Message-ID: <2ccd.cdc2860.3c488be4@aol.com>

I am back at work on my Tiger. I am finishing the engine now and have a  
bunch of questions. I will limit them to one at a time.
 
I would like to know if I can run a "shorty" oil filter on my '85 302 Tiger 
 engine in place of the remote filter setup?
 
Thank you. I am excited at the prospect of actually completing my project  
in the near future and driving it.
 
Tom Milton
Lansing, IL.

From CALUMETAIR at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 14:04:21 2012
From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com (CALUMETAIR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:04:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Test post
Message-ID: <3266.255eb5ff.3c488dd5@aol.com>

Test 
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2012 10:01:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
mark.rense at ge.com writes:

...and  that was when Chrysler gave Rootes a real STD!

-----Original  Message-----
From: Tony McNulty
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 7:05  PM
To: genepadgett at comcast.net; Bob H
Cc: Tigers
Subject: Re:  [Tigers] Sunbeam History

... and then Chrysler took them  away.


----- Original Message -----
From:  <genepadgett at comcast.net>
To: "Bob H"  <tgrrr at meadowcrk.com>
Cc: "Tigers"  <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:55  PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam History


> Bob, great reading  this. Thanks for sharing! I was mostly unaware of
this
> rich  heritage of Sunbeam.
>
> Interesting comment at the end: "In July  1935 S.T.D. was purchased by
> Rootes Securities, who had no interest in  high quality cars, only
volume
> production."
>
> I am  guessing Rootes Securities must have been investment bankers.  We
can
> all read into that what we choose. At least the company  survived for
> another 30 years and gave us our beloved  Tigers!
>
>  Gene
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 14:33:27 2012
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:33:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
Message-ID: <13eb.30544dc2.3c4894a6@aol.com>

Tom,
>From my experience you can run the shorty with a 302  engine and with the 
CAT headers, but not some other headers. If you  don't have headers you might 
consider the angled Ford adaptor  ($20-25) which would put the filter at a 
rearward facing position and allow  you to use a large filter....the filter 
for the Ford Taurus works great in this  application.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2012 4:22:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
CALUMETAIR at aol.com writes:

I am  back at work on my Tiger. I am finishing the engine now and have a   
bunch of questions. I will limit them to one at a time.

I would  like to know if I can run a "shorty" oil filter on my '85 302 
Tiger 
engine  in place of the remote filter setup?

Thank you. I am excited at the  prospect of actually completing my project  
in the near future and  driving it.

Tom Milton
Lansing,  IL.
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Wed Jan 18 14:37:27 2012
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:37:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
In-Reply-To: <2ccd.cdc2860.3c488be4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1301373911.772850.1326922647551.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

You could run the shorty, if you can find the source.B  Another option would
be to convert to the right angle adapter:

B 

http :// www . tigersunited
.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter2.asp

B 

This may not work with headers, but with the stock manifolds it's no
problem.B  You can run the full size FL-1/PH8A size if you do some harmless
grinding on the motor mount, or run the FL400/PH3600 size, smaller diameter
but the same thread, gasket, bypass pressure, etc.

B 

Stu

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Jan 18 14:47:38 2012
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:47:38 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
References: <2ccd.cdc2860.3c488be4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <118C6E1C792E40EFAA5FEC1B2A20E5FF@student2>

Tom,

There are a number of shorter filters for the Ford block.  Chrysler used the 
standard PH8A but also had a shorter PH43. Unfortunately that is still too 
long (as far as I know).  There is also a very stubby filter (used on 
Renault's I think). It is only about 1-1/2" tall (sorry I don't recall the 
number).  Over the years a lot of Tiger owners use the angle adapter 
available from Ford Motorsports (and perhaps others).

If you are inclined to seach around there are other obscure options out 
there. As mentioned the Chrysler cars use the same filter type and certain 
models had angled filter mounts.  In my case I used and adapter from a big 
block Ford van.  It comes out the block at 90 degrees, but also angles 
nicely under the frame rail. To some extent its location probably helps to 
disipate heat.

>I am back at work on my Tiger. I am finishing the engine now and have a
> bunch of questions. I will limit them to one at a time.
>
> I would like to know if I can run a "shorty" oil filter on my '85 302 
> Tiger
> engine in place of the remote filter setup?
>
> Thank you. I am excited at the prospect of actually completing my project
> in the near future and driving it.
>
> Tom Milton
> Lansing, IL.

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Wed Jan 18 15:26:45 2012
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:26:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
In-Reply-To: <2ccd.cdc2860.3c488be4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1805069913.972660.1326925605780.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

If you do want to go with the shorty filter, I would suggest checking on filter availability first. I used to run one on my 260 but was having a hard time finding the Fram filter that fit. I tried using a WIX, but it seemed to be just a bit thicker, making it a very tight fit and a real struggle to get on and off over the tip of the nipple adapter. Especially messy off when it had oil in it, given its vertical mounting position. 

I am putting the CAT headers on my 347 and was thinking about going with the shorty filter again. While CoolVT is correct that they will allow the shorty filter to fit, the clearance is very tight. About 1/16 inch between the front header downpipe and the side of the filter. At least for the WIX filter I put on for test purposes. Too close to all that exhaust heat for my comfort, even with the jethot coated headers. 

And as he says, other headers may be a problem. When I was running headers from Sunbeam Specialties on my 260, I had to go back to the original remote setup. 

Just my 2 cents. 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com 
To: tigers at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:56:04 PM 
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question 

I am back at work on my Tiger. I am finishing the engine now and have a 
bunch of questions. I will limit them to one at a time. 

I would like to know if I can run a "shorty" oil filter on my '85 302 Tiger 
engine in place of the remote filter setup? 

Thank you. I am excited at the prospect of actually completing my project 
in the near future and driving it. 

Tom Milton 
Lansing, IL. 
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From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 18 16:34:12 2012
From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:34:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
In-Reply-To: <118C6E1C792E40EFAA5FEC1B2A20E5FF@student2>
Message-ID: <1326929652.32359.YahooMailClassic@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Picture of the Ford Motorsport Filter adapter on a MK1a Tiger:
 
http://www.cjrichards.org/66oiladapt.jpg
 
Will work with stock exhaust manifolds, Cannon style headers, but not
Sanderson headers.

:-)





Over the years a lot of Tiger owners use the angle adapter available from Ford
Motorsports (and perhaps others).

>
> I would like to know if I can run a "shorty" oil filter on my '85 302 Tiger
> engine in place of the remote filter setup?
>
> Thank you. I am excited at the prospect of actually completing my project
> in the near future and driving it.
>
> Tom Milton
> Lansing, IL.
_______________________________________________

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 16:57:33 2012
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:57:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
Message-ID: <6fb5.6099bdbc.3c48b66d@aol.com>

When I had headers on with the shorty filter I wrapped the filter in  
aluminum as a heat shield.  The clearance was only about 1/16th".  I  gave up and 
removed the headers and went back to the stock manifold and back to  the 
angled adapter.  
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2012 6:38:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
genepadgett at comcast.net writes:

If you  do want to go with the shorty filter, I would suggest checking on 
filter  availability first. I used to run one on my 260 but was having a hard 
time  finding the Fram filter that fit. I tried using a WIX, but it seemed 
to be  just a bit thicker, making it a very tight fit and a real struggle to 
get on  and off over the tip of the nipple adapter. Especially messy off 
when it had  oil in it, given its vertical mounting position. 

I am putting the CAT  headers on my 347 and was thinking about going with 
the shorty filter again.  While CoolVT is correct that they will allow the 
shorty filter to fit, the  clearance is very tight. About 1/16 inch between 
the front header downpipe and  the side of the filter. At least for the WIX 
filter I put on for test  purposes. Too close to all that exhaust heat for my 
comfort, even with the  jethot coated headers. 

And as he says, other headers may be a problem.  When I was running headers 
from Sunbeam Specialties on my 260, I had to go  back to the original 
remote setup. 

Just my 2 cents. 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----
From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com 
To:  tigers at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:56:04 PM  
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question 

I am back at work on my  Tiger. I am finishing the engine now and have a 
bunch of questions. I will  limit them to one at a time. 

I would like to know if I can run a  "shorty" oil filter on my '85 302 
Tiger 
engine in place of the remote  filter setup? 

Thank you. I am excited at the prospect of actually  completing my project 
in the near future and driving it. 

Tom  Milton 
Lansing, IL. 
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From CALUMETAIR at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 17:21:14 2012
From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com (CALUMETAIR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:21:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oli filter
Message-ID: <b6f1.2099503f.3c48bbfa@aol.com>

Last night I bolted the engine mounts to the engine (just to keep them from 
 getting lost) Since I have the engine on a stand, and the headers handy, I 
 can pretty much check clearances around the mounts and the headers.
 
I DO NOT have the mount to frame "mount adapters (cast iron) on and so  far 
I have only found (1) of them  :-((   If it's the left side  adapter, then 
all I have to worry about is frame rail clearance (and since no  one has 
mentioned a problem there, maybe it's not an issue?
 
Thankful Tom

From CALUMETAIR at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 17:22:27 2012
From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com (CALUMETAIR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:22:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
Message-ID: <b798.4b2d5e01.3c48bc43@aol.com>

Thank you for the  replies.
 
I failed to mention that I  purchased (some time ago) the CAT headers.
 
I intend to wrap them with exhaust  wrap to reduce under hood heat levels.  
I had the CAT headers "Metallized"  (sprayed with a coating of molten 
aluminum, while heated)  I have had  metallized exhaust before and it holds up 
very well, so it should eliminate a  rust problem.
 
I have my engine in my shop  and the car in a hangar, stored for winter.  I 
couldn't visualize the  frame location at all. Thanks to Tom (atwittsend) I 
see the filter is well below  the frame rail
 
I will bring my headers over to the  shop and get a better picture of what 
I am dealing with.
 
1) What do you guys think of the  header heat wrap idea?
 
2) If I have to go with the remote  cooler, would it be feasible to move 
the filter to the wheel well??  I will  need new hoses anyway.
Tom Milton

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 19:17:56 2012
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:17:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
Message-ID: <b30f.63b365d0.3c48d753@aol.com>

Tom,
I think you will get some bad reports on the header wrap.  Someone had  the 
experience of oil leaking and soaking into the  wrapped headers  and 
catching fire.  There was no way to put the fire out. Of course many  have used it 
without problems.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2012 8:16:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
CALUMETAIR at aol.com writes:

Thank  you for the  replies.

I failed to mention that I  purchased  (some time ago) the CAT headers.

I intend to wrap them with  exhaust  wrap to reduce under hood heat levels. 
 
I had the CAT  headers "Metallized"  (sprayed with a coating of molten 
aluminum,  while heated)  I have had  metallized exhaust before and it 
holds up  
very well, so it should eliminate a  rust problem.

I have my  engine in my shop  and the car in a hangar, stored for winter.  
I  
couldn't visualize the  frame location at all. Thanks to Tom  (atwittsend) 
I 
see the filter is well below  the frame rail

I  will bring my headers over to the  shop and get a better picture of what 
 
I am dealing with.

1) What do you guys think of the  header  heat wrap idea?

2) If I have to go with the remote  cooler, would  it be feasible to move 
the filter to the wheel well??  I will   need new hoses anyway.
Tom  Milton
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 18 20:26:12 2012
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:26:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
In-Reply-To: <b798.4b2d5e01.3c48bc43@aol.com>
References: <b798.4b2d5e01.3c48bc43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1326943572.28093.YahooMailNeo@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I dont like the idea of wrapping the headers,cause my friends Tiger burning
BUT if he had a good fire extungusher, some paint might have fixed mostof the
damage. BUT you can have the headers ceramic coated on the inside which hold
temps down/ Dr Mayf has a family memner in the business- dont know if U get a
discount BUT asking cant hurt- Dr, Mayf doent receive a kick back for
referals. The negative about having headers coated outside or in is they need
to be prefit in case U need to dent them slightly for clearance. I think CAT
club headers where improved with each new order and perhaps Ricks as well. But
I have a beaytiful set that have the ceramic inside and the outside looks
almost like chrome- dont recall the coating but a friend of mine ownsTerrys
Jaguar- the largest Jag mail order parts supplier in the USA if something
hasnt changed plus he builds Jag engines and has for Tiger owner(s). I had
them have my headers coated and it wasnt cheap, I wish I
 had known of Dr. Mayfs connection but even more so, I wish I had prefit them-
if they dont fit one Tiger I will swap to the other and hope they dont need an
adjustment witha ball peen hammer.
Best wishes.
TtT
>________________________________
>From: "CALUMETAIR at aol.com"
<CALUMETAIR at aol.com>
>To: tigers at autox.team.net 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18,
2012 6:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil filter question
>
>Thank you for the 
replies.
>
>I failed to mention that I  purchased (some time ago) the CAT
headers.
>
>I intend to wrap them with exhaust  wrap to reduce under hood heat
levels.  
>I had the CAT headers "Metallized"  (sprayed with a coating of
molten 
>aluminum, while heated)  I have had  metallized exhaust before and it
holds up 
>very well, so it should eliminate a  rust problem.
>
>I have my
engine in my shop  and the car in a hangar, stored for winter.  I 
>couldn't
visualize the  frame location at all. Thanks to Tom (atwittsend) I 
>see the
filter is well below  the frame rail
>
>I will bring my headers over to the 
shop and get a better picture of what 
>I am dealing with.
>
>1) What do you
guys think of the  header heat wrap idea?
>
>2) If I have to go with the
remote  cooler, would it be feasible to move 
>the filter to the wheel well?? 
I will  need new hoses anyway.
>Tom Milton
>_______________________________________________
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jan 18 21:56:56 2012
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:56:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
In-Reply-To: <b798.4b2d5e01.3c48bc43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9D56DED7D00946DFA9CF53189D318B57@ronpc1>

Tom
	I believe header wrap is a fire waiting to happen.  I think its
great on a wide open engine bay race car but not on an enclosed engine bay.
Ceramic coatings inside and out or metal heat shields I think are a better
way to go.

	The MK II has an oil cooler under the front valence.  I think a
number of Tiger owners have put the oil filter in the wheel well.   The only
problem I see with that is if it leaks, it leaks onto the tire which messes
up steering and braking.   I once ran the radiator overflow tube into the
wheel well.  When the radiator got hot it put antifreeze onto the tire
resulting in extreme understeer; fortunately no damage and the hose was
quickly removed from the wheel well.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CALUMETAIR at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:22 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil filter question


Thank you for the  replies.

I failed to mention that I  purchased (some time ago) the CAT headers.

I intend to wrap them with exhaust  wrap to reduce under hood heat levels.
I had the CAT headers "Metallized"  (sprayed with a coating of molten
aluminum, while heated)  I have had  metallized exhaust before and it holds
up
very well, so it should eliminate a  rust problem.

I have my engine in my shop  and the car in a hangar, stored for winter.  I
couldn't visualize the  frame location at all. Thanks to Tom (atwittsend) I
see the filter is well below  the frame rail

I will bring my headers over to the  shop and get a better picture of what
I am dealing with.

1) What do you guys think of the  header heat wrap idea?

2) If I have to go with the remote  cooler, would it be feasible to move
the filter to the wheel well??  I will  need new hoses anyway. Tom Milton
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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Wed Jan 18 22:35:10 2012
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Home)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:35:10 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
Message-ID: <5E425A41-DFF5-487E-8AFA-295830D4CCEA@telusplanet.net>

PH2874. Nice and compact. However, couldn't find them last summer. Called
Fram, who said it was a change-up to some other #. That one was nowhere near
the same. So if you find some, buy  a stack.

Gary

From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 22:39:33 2012
From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:39:33 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Throwout bearing lever
Message-ID: <snt0-eas99AC7B351A9F8988BF017CAE860@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the help on this one. I called the tranny shop and they said they
found some kind of wire clip in the solvent tank so I will stop by and hope
that it is what came off my transmission. The PO put in a HiPo 289 and a 6
bolt bell housing and I saw that Ford changed the lever design on the Mustang
a dozen times it seems so I really hope they didn't lose this part as I'm not
100% positive which lever design I have.

Nathan Johnson

You'll find a partially punched stub in the pivot riveted to the inside of the
bellhousing.  A short curved spring wire fits between the two holes in the
fork.  The arch of this spring wire slips under the notch formed by the
partially punched stub.  That's what holds the fork on the pivot.  The process
of latching this curve of the spring under the notch is a very tricky, blind
process which requires a lot of patience.  A dab of heavy grease on the edge
of the top of the pivot lubricates this assembly.  The transmission shop owes
you this small spring wire.  It's available in the aftermarket, but it's not
common.
Worse yet, if you are in the process of changing from a 5 bolt to a 6 bolt
bellhousing, your old 5 bolt fork is WRONG for this 6 bolt application as they
have  different dimensions which affect your throwout bearing and clutch
operation.  If the pivot in the 6 bolt bellhousing has a rectangular hole
instead of the punched stub, it is a later design version and requires a fork
with a spring clip riveted to it that clamps into this rectangular hole. If
you can't tell the difference, send me some pics.  Ain't this fun.

--
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jan 19 01:49:49 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:49:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] still kickin and enjoying the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <1326769635.66590.YahooMailClassic@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1326769635.66590.YahooMailClassic@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F17D92D.9030403@bradakis.com>

david gilmore wrote:
> I too hope the forum goes on for a long time.

Hopefully it will, I don't plan on pulling the plug just yet, and
as long as folks send email I'll see that it gets out.  I haven't
had a near death experience for several months now, the last one
being that time back in September when I was going down the freeway
tilted up on two wheels.  Luckily the truck came back down on all
fours, had it gone over the other way Team.Net would probably no
longer be an option.  I'd rather not think about that.

mjb.

From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Thu Jan 19 07:12:51 2012
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil filter question
In-Reply-To: <b798.4b2d5e01.3c48bc43@aol.com>
References: <b798.4b2d5e01.3c48bc43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F1824E3.4040006@verizon.net>

Header heat wrap will reduce the temp, but will shorten the life of the 
headers.  The heat over time changes the molecular structure of the 
steel, and it looks like rust, and they will eventually deteriorate.

The various sprayed coatings work very well, and will not effect the 
life of the header, and if sprayed inside, will add to the life.

Larry

On 1/18/12 7:22 PM, CALUMETAIR at aol.com wrote:
> Thank you for the  replies.
>
> I failed to mention that I  purchased (some time ago) the CAT headers.
>
> I intend to wrap them with exhaust  wrap to reduce under hood heat levels.
> I had the CAT headers "Metallized"  (sprayed with a coating of molten
> aluminum, while heated)  I have had  metallized exhaust before and it holds up
> very well, so it should eliminate a  rust problem.
>
> I have my engine in my shop  and the car in a hangar, stored for winter.  I
> couldn't visualize the  frame location at all. Thanks to Tom (atwittsend) I
> see the filter is well below  the frame rail
>
> I will bring my headers over to the  shop and get a better picture of what
> I am dealing with.
>
> 1) What do you guys think of the  header heat wrap idea?
>
> 2) If I have to go with the remote  cooler, would it be feasible to move
> the filter to the wheel well??  I will  need new hoses anyway.
> Tom Milton
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Thu Jan 19 14:40:05 2012
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:40:05 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Throwout bearing lever
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds13F7C0ACFBA0651488775FAD860@phx.gbl>

I believe the Rootes/Ford number AB-7562-A, for that clutch spring, is a misprint. The number was revised and is now C6AZ-7562-A. I have used and sold this "C6" number and it is correct for the Tiger. See photo link

 http://www.who-sells-it.com/images/catalogs/3138/15627/ct/ford-falcon-parts-000027.jpg

David Franchi

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 19 17:50:24 2012
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:50:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Throwout bearing lever
In-Reply-To: <BAY148-ds13F7C0ACFBA0651488775FAD860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5779702A6D6D4C269D7CB2E53DD4296E@ronpc1>

David
	Thanks for the update.   Your response sparked a memory so I checked
my notes.
C6AZ-7562-A - anti rattle spring

Hopefully Nathan was able to retrieve his spring from the solvent tank.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: David or Gary Franchi [mailto:wwwdg at webtv.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:40 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'Nathan Johnson'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Throwout bearing lever


I believe the Rootes/Ford number AB-7562-A, for that clutch spring, is a
misprint. The number was revised and is now C6AZ-7562-A. I have used and
sold this "C6" number and it is correct for the Tiger. See photo link


http://www.who-sells-it.com/images/catalogs/3138/15627/ct/ford-falcon-parts-
000027.jpg

David Franchi




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From rande at thecia.net  Fri Jan 20 09:27:54 2012
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:27:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] off Tiger
Message-ID: <4f19960a.4706.0@thecia.net>

official lurker, for now. Shoulder surgery one week ago, posting with one hand
very slow.

Has anyone heard from Dave Johnson in Indianapolis? Thanks to his son Pat for
all his help at  French Lick in October at the United.

Hope y'all are well.

Rande

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Jan 20 09:29:14 2012
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:29:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Question about rims
Message-ID: <8c96.1ae446b0.3c4af05a@aol.com>

These are 15" rims The offset is 0 and backspace 3.5". . Will they work on  
a stock Tiger?  Thanks

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Jan 20 10:21:50 2012
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:21:50 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Question about rims
References: <8c96.1ae446b0.3c4af05a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1D7118D4B3FA45D9BF9F7F582AD32BFF@student2>

While there are products you can buy, it easy to make a devise to check 
fitment. 20 minutes time with woodscrapes (assuming one has them) gets it 
done.  Basically  they consist of two pieces of wood at right angles with 
each other.

 Cut a sheet of plywood to the diameter of the tire and drill the holes for 
mounting.  Then with an L bracket fix a 1X3 at a right angle for tread width 
and backspacing simulation. Wood can also be added to simulate clearance for 
calipers, and on a Tiger more importantly - steering arms. But, with 15" 
wheels you probably won't have a problem.

 Once bolted on you rotate checking for clearance. Check also at  full 
left/right lock and lastly make sure you do it with the car lifted at the 
A-arm. A drooped suspension will obviously give false readings.  Wheel/tire 
combinations get expensive and disappointing they don't fit right and the 
time spent would be well worth it.

Here is a link to another method with steel. 
http://www.mgexperience.net/journal/get7  I think once you see the concept 
there are many ways to configure a device.

Tom 

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 11:26:52 2012
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:26:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] FIRE NEAR RENO
Message-ID: <E1RoJAt-0005sy-0P@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I received the following report via the local Shelby group.  Anybody 
have particulars?

>This fire was further south of Reno this time...snip... It burnt 
>3800 acres and no final count on homes lost yet but looks like at 
>least 20 and the main Highway 395 is still closed. High winds from a 
>winter storm fanned the fire once again after the driest winter on 
>record so far. Rain/snow has started today so hope is it will dampen 
>things down, but a flood warning was issued due to all the barren 
>de-vegetated ground.
>
>A friend who collects Corvettes has a second home and workshop in 
>that area and he was hit hard, losing a Sunbeam Tiger, Pontiac Le 
>Mans, zero mile C4 LT1 Vette and a '64 Vette.

Norm 

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Fri Jan 20 11:53:16 2012
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:53:16 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] FIRE NEAR RENO
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Hi Norm,

No, but I got the exact same message from the Pantera club, maybe from the
same guy. News travels fast.

Cullen
1452

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Norman C. Miller" <rootes1 at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> I received the following report via the local Shelby group.  Anybody
> have particulars?
>
>> This fire was further south of Reno this time...snip... It burnt
>> 3800 acres and no final count on homes lost yet but looks like at
>> least 20 and the main Highway 395 is still closed. High winds from a
>> winter storm fanned the fire once again after the driest winter on
>> record so far. Rain/snow has started today so hope is it will dampen
>> things down, but a flood warning was issued due to all the barren
>> de-vegetated ground.
>>
>> A friend who collects Corvettes has a second home and workshop in
>> that area and he was hit hard, losing a Sunbeam Tiger, Pontiac Le
>> Mans, zero mile C4 LT1 Vette and a '64 Vette.
>
> Norm
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From genepadgett at comcast.net  Fri Jan 20 12:13:33 2012
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:13:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Question about rims
In-Reply-To: <8c96.1ae446b0.3c4af05a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <141515138.1065090.1327086813262.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi, another relevant parameter is what size tire you will be using. A low profile tire may work without clearance issues in turning, but you may not like the ride quality. 

If you have 0 offset and 3.5 inch back space, the rim width must be 7 inches. I have been using 15 inch wheels with 7 inch wide rims for my "street tire class" autocross tires. My back space is about 4.75 inches after adjusting with a 1/8 inch spacer. The tires are 205/50/15 Dunlop Direzza Star Specs. With the 4.75 inch back space, the tires just fit inside the fender line at the front. However, I had to trim a little off the front edge of the wheel well opening at the bottom part of the valence to get clearance when the wide tire is turned to full lock. That is a pretty innocent modification that many people have done. But it may well be something you would prefer not to do. 

With a tire on a 7 inch rim and only 3.5 inch back space, your tires will surely stick out 1.25 inches more than mine at the front. I am guessing that you would have to remove more metal at the front of the wheel opening than I did with the tire riding outboard that additional amount. As Mr. Witt has suggested, making the mockup to model your particular application would be well worth the effort. 

Hope that helps, 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com 
To: tigers at autox.team.net 
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:29:14 AM 
Subject: [Tigers] Question about rims 

These are 15" rims The offset is 0 and backspace 3.5". . Will they work on 
a stock Tiger? Thanks 
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Fri Jan 20 14:43:36 2012
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:43:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Question about rims
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0BE5A9C7@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

This wheel and tire fitment tool bolts up to your hub and lets you
determine minimum wheel/tire clearance and offset/backspace. Other
brands are available besides this one or you can build your own, but for
$75 this saves you a lot of aggravation.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PHP-01201/

From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Jan 20 16:10:26 2012
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:10:26 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Question about rims
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0BE5A9C7@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0BE5A9C7@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4F19F462.2000700@pacbell.net>

I have looked at this and it's on my list of cool tools, would be a good 
rental or something the rim companies could send out before purchase!

Sandy

On 1/20/2012 1:43 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote:
> This wheel and tire fitment tool bolts up to your hub and lets you
> determine minimum wheel/tire clearance and offset/backspace. Other
> brands are available besides this one or you can build your own, but for
> $75 this saves you a lot of aggravation.
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From CALUMETAIR at aol.com  Fri Jan 20 17:33:58 2012
From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com (CALUMETAIR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:33:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Cover and pump question
Message-ID: <42e07.25fad453.3c4b61f5@aol.com>

I have a 1985 302 and want to know what timing chain cover & pump  
combination works:
 
With the stock radiator?
 
With an (custom ?) aluminum radiator?
 
I have the stock cover and pump for the original 260  & the '85  302.
 
I plan to run with electric fans only (unless advised against it) so that  
is a clearance consideration.
 
Tom Milton (making progress every day thanks to you guys)

From CALUMETAIR at aol.com  Fri Jan 20 19:28:45 2012
From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com (CALUMETAIR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:28:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Cover and pump question
Message-ID: <18fda.2fd1dd83.3c4b7cdd@aol.com>

Thanks Tom,
Pictures would be great. I forgot to mention I have a new Ford '85  
Alternator I would like to use. Do either chain covers work better with an  
alternator?
Can I use stock '85 alternator brackets on a Tiger?
Thanks Tom

 
 
In a message dated 1/20/2012 8:22:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
modtiger at comcast.net writes:

On  1/20/2012 4:33 PM, CALUMETAIR at aol.com wrote:
> I have a 1985 302 and  want to know what timing chain cover&  pump
> combination  works:
>
> With the stock radiator?
>
> With an  (custom ?) aluminum radiator?
>
> I have the stock cover and pump  for the original 260&  the '85  302.
>
> I plan to  run with electric fans only (unless advised against it) so that
> is a  clearance consideration.
>
> Tom Milton (making progress every day  thanks to you guys)
If the 260 is not badly corroded at the interior of the  pump cavity or 
at the interface with the block you can re-use that  housing.  It has the 
proper hole for the oil dipstick.  You will  likely be running an 
aftermarket, 50 Oz., 3 hole damper and the timing  marks should line up 
properly.  This will allow you to use a Stewart  waterpump (#16103) which 
is the best stock configuration high performance  waterpump.  I run my 
'92 spec 302 without a mechanical fan and it  runs just fine with 16" 
electric pusher fan.  You may need to get a  high performance radiator 
core.  Electric fans don't work well with  the old fat core radiators.  
When you do this you will need a  thermostatic switch and a relay system 
to control the fan, to avoid taking  the current through any of the OEM 
wiring.  Without the mechanical  fan, you can eliminate the fan shroud 
and it will clear up a lot of space  in that area.  You may need to 
eliminate some of the OEM sheetmetal  to get a large electric fan 
mounted.  You can also move the radiator  cap to the right hand tank and 
dump the OEM reservoir.  This is where  the cap should be anyway.  I've 
done this with lots of Tigers with  great success.  I can send pics if 
they would help.
> -
>  Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering LLC
>  www.tigerengineering.net