From bobdixon at frii.com Mon Feb 27 10:55:18 2012 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:55:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel In-Reply-To: <4c240193b31172c3cc129e5e1ed2a822@frii.com> References: <4c240193b31172c3cc129e5e1ed2a822@frii.com> Message-ID: Hi gang, This may seem like a dumb question but here goes. If you want to put a 289 that was hooked to an automatic trans into a car with a manual trans, can you just swap the flexplate with a flywheel? I wasn't sure if the engine is typically balanced by adding or removing material from the flywheel. Thanks, Bob From srwick at hotmail.com Mon Feb 27 11:09:28 2012 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:09:28 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel In-Reply-To: References: <4c240193b31172c3cc129e5e1ed2a822@frii.com>, Message-ID: If the engine is a stock rebuild, or original, you should be ok. If the engine was rebuilt and balanced with the flex plate on, you might have an issue. Don 't forget to install a pilot bushing. Steve (in N.Idaho) > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:55:18 -0700 > From: bobdixon at frii.com > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel > > Hi gang, > > This may seem like a dumb question but here goes. If you want to put a > 289 that was hooked to an automatic trans into a car with a manual > trans, can you just swap the flexplate with a flywheel? I wasn't sure > if the engine is typically balanced by adding or removing material from > the flywheel. > > Thanks, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/srwick at hotmail.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 12:09:03 2012 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:09:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel In-Reply-To: References: <4c240193b31172c3cc129e5e1ed2a822@frii.com> Message-ID: <1330369743.82138.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Make sure the right ring gear is on the flywheel and there is another plate that goes behind the flywheel if memory serves, just a dust plate that the tranny bolts go thru to the bellhousing. Correct me if I am wrong LIST. >________________________________ > From: Bob Dixon >To: "tigers at autox.tea" >Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:55 AM >Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel > >Hi gang, > >This may seem like a dumb question but here goes. If you want to put a 289 that was hooked to an automatic trans into a car with a manual trans, can you just swap the flexplate with a flywheel? I wasn't sure if the engine is typically balanced by adding or removing material from the flywheel. > >Thanks, >Bob >_______________________________________________ > >tigers at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 12:17:24 2012 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:17:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel In-Reply-To: References: <4c240193b31172c3cc129e5e1ed2a822@frii.com> Message-ID: <1330370244.5101.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Steve is right, I always replace the piolet shaft bushing BUT I have had them almost fall out and have problems using my mechanis puller on one that had to have been the wrong size or a bad burr-normally a greas gun will push it out just by pumping grease in the center that gets behind and pushes it out- can be very messy when it doesnt work- IE: the one I couldnt get out. >________________________________ > From: Bob Dixon >To: "tigers at autox.tea" >Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:55 AM >Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel > >Hi gang, > >This may seem like a dumb question but here goes. If you want to put a 289 that was hooked to an automatic trans into a car with a manual trans, can you just swap the flexplate with a flywheel? I wasn't sure if the engine is typically balanced by adding or removing material from the flywheel. > >Thanks, >Bob >_______________________________________________ > >tigers at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Feb 27 13:06:04 2012 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:06:04 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel References: <4c240193b31172c3cc129e5e1ed2a822@frii.com>,

Message-ID: Steve, This is from http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/09/t5swap/index2.php ( full story) Clutch and Flywheel - If your car was an automatic you will need to get a flywheel which matches the balance factor of your motor. All 289's use a 28 oz. balance factor. Early 302's up to late 1970's also used a 28 oz. factor, but after that point Ford switched to a 50 oz. balance factor. If you mix and match the flywheels (or harmonic balancers) your engine will vibrate itself to death! So be sure you only install the flywheel with the correct balance factor. A good machine shop can convert the more common late-model 50oz. flywheel to a 28oz. balance factor for around $50. The 50oz. flywheels are also drilled for the larger 10.5" diaphagm clutch, which the 28oz. flywheels must use the early style 10" three-finger clutches. Stock 28 oz. and 50 oz. flywheels have 157 tooth ring gears measuring 13.294" outer diameter. Some 351W engines, and after market flywheels, have a larger 164 tooth ring gear which has a 14.215" outer diameter and accepts an 11" clutch. The larger clutch may not clear the inside of the T5 bellhousing. If your car is already a manual, simply use the existing clutch, flywheel, and throwout bearing. You should change the pilot bushing to the late model Mustang pilot bearing. Since you will need to remove the clutch and flywheel to install the T5 blockplate, you may as well take the opportunity to install a fresh clutch. Tom From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Feb 27 15:09:52 2012 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:09:52 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel In-Reply-To: <1330370244.5101.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <4c240193b31172c3cc129e5e1ed2a822@frii.com> <1330370244.5101.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C4DE587@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> I have a jar of pilot-bearing-removal paste that I've created for the sole purpose of removing pilot bearings... haven't had to use it for years now, but it will work the next time I have to do it. Just get some wheel bearing grease (about 1 oz), and then take small wads of paper towel and mix them into the grease until you have a very thick goop. Push as much as you can into the end of the crankshaft; then get a bolt (or clutch pilot tool) that has an OD of the same size as the ID of the pilot bearing. Tap it in; if you bottom the tool then remove it and put in more paste, and repeat. The bearing will come out, and the paste is thick enough that it doesn't splatter - it should not even be able to force itself past the bolt. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: February 27, 2012 12:17 PM > To: Bob Dixon; tigers at autox.tea > Subject: Re: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel > > Steve is right, I always replace the piolet shaft bushing BUT I have > had them > almost fall out and have problems using my mechanis puller on one that > had to > have been the wrong size or a bad burr-normally a greas gun will push > it out > just by pumping grease in the center that gets behind and pushes it > out- can > be very messy when it doesnt work- IE: the one I couldnt get out. > >________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Feb 27 16:44:14 2012 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:44:14 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] flexplate motor to flywheel References: <4c240193b31172c3cc129e5e1ed2a822@frii.com> <1330370244.5101.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684063C4DE587@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <83C4D08D9FC14F3B961199D71B581FC6@student2> >>>I have a jar of pilot-bearing-removal paste that I've created for the >>>sole purpose of removing pilot bearings... <<< I just want to confirm that this process works. When I first heard about it I was VERY skeptical. I have one of the last Studebakers with the Chevy engine. They used a pilot bearing to center the torque converter in the crank. Keeping this rather rare piece was necessary because of an engine change. I tried every sort of heat / oil / slide hammer / puller I could contrive to no avail. In desperation I packed the opening with grease, found a snug fitting wooden dowel and hammered it in. Expecting nothing (or just grease oozing out) I was shocked to see the first hit push the bearing out about half way. The next hit removed it. I had wrapped a rag around the dowel, but it seemed unnecessary as the second hit was ... just enough. Theo's idea was creative but having to explain to my wife every six months why I don't throw out that "junk" in the jar..... . :-) Tom PS I don't think this will work on roller pilot bearings. From mark at bradakis.com Tue Feb 28 01:31:49 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:31:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Tigers] Server updates Message-ID: <20120228083149.5E84C2E065@bradakis.com> The mailing lists should be working again as you've probably noticed over the last day or so. The mailman pages at http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo also seem to be working better. Still having issues with the forums, though now the error messages are different. I guess that's progress ;-) And there are some issues with the archives getting rebuilt. What fun when switching to all sorts of new software version, updated operating system, new hardware .... If you do have troubles with your subscriptions and the web interface let me know, I'll work on getting things resolved. Right now I think I'll watch some cooking videos to relax before I head off to bed. mjb. From cars at wt-inc.com Tue Feb 28 09:14:13 2012 From: cars at wt-inc.com (cars at wt-inc.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:14:13 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801ccf634$03182cb0$09488610$@com> All, I keep hearing rumors about Tigers United (west coast) happening. I understand it might be Reno but have not heard details regarding Hotels, dates etc. Can anyone with the information please pass it on? Would love to attend just need the details. Lynn From rande at thecia.net Tue Feb 28 10:47:12 2012 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:47:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] STOA Tigers United Message-ID: <4f4d1320.24f6.0@thecia.net> Hi, According to the last STOA newsletter, Patrick King is the go-to guy to organize the next United, and Reno was given as the location, though I personally would have begged them to do Lake Tahoe, 60 miles south, again. Contact Patrick at jpkkmk at aol.com to see how far along the plans are. In any event, hope to see you there. RB From cars at wt-inc.com Tue Feb 28 10:50:47 2012 From: cars at wt-inc.com (cars at wt-inc.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:50:47 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] STOA Tigers United In-Reply-To: <4f4d1320.24f6.0@thecia.net> References: <4f4d1320.24f6.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <004e01ccf641$806f59b0$814e0d10$@com> Tahoe was great. Reno should be great as well. I will be there hope we have a big crowd. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: rande at thecia.net [mailto:rande at thecia.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:47 AM To: cars at wt-inc.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: STOA Tigers United Hi, According to the last STOA newsletter, Patrick King is the go-to guy to organize the next United, and Reno was given as the location, though I personally would have begged them to do Lake Tahoe, 60 miles south, again. Contact Patrick at jpkkmk at aol.com to see how far along the plans are. In any event, hope to see you there. RB From aballard at ix.netcom.com Tue Feb 28 10:54:09 2012 From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:54:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] STOA Tigers United In-Reply-To: <004e01ccf641$806f59b0$814e0d10$@com> References: <4f4d1320.24f6.0@thecia.net> <004e01ccf641$806f59b0$814e0d10$@com> Message-ID: <083D3E8F-6244-448C-B599-EB9FB3318C07@ix.netcom.com> Any idea as to the date ? Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:50 PM, wrote: > Tahoe was great. Reno should be great as well. I will be there hope we > have a big crowd. > > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: rande at thecia.net [mailto:rande at thecia.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:47 AM > To: cars at wt-inc.com > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: STOA Tigers United > > > Hi, > According to the last STOA newsletter, Patrick King is the go-to guy to > organize > the next United, and Reno was given as the location, though I personally > would > have begged them to do Lake Tahoe, 60 miles south, again. > > Contact Patrick at jpkkmk at aol.com to see how far along the plans are. In > any > event, hope to see you there. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard at ix.netcom.com From cars at wt-inc.com Tue Feb 28 11:00:36 2012 From: cars at wt-inc.com (cars at wt-inc.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:00:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] STOA Tigers United In-Reply-To: <083D3E8F-6244-448C-B599-EB9FB3318C07@ix.netcom.com> References: <4f4d1320.24f6.0@thecia.net> <004e01ccf641$806f59b0$814e0d10$@com> <083D3E8F-6244-448C-B599-EB9FB3318C07@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <006901ccf642$dfad1b00$9f075100$@com> June 22-24 -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:54 AM To: Cc: ; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] STOA Tigers United Any idea as to the date ? Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:50 PM, wrote: > Tahoe was great. Reno should be great as well. I will be there hope we > have a big crowd. > > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: rande at thecia.net [mailto:rande at thecia.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:47 AM > To: cars at wt-inc.com > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: STOA Tigers United > > > Hi, > According to the last STOA newsletter, Patrick King is the go-to guy to > organize > the next United, and Reno was given as the location, though I personally > would > have begged them to do Lake Tahoe, 60 miles south, again. > > Contact Patrick at jpkkmk at aol.com to see how far along the plans are. In > any > event, hope to see you there. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard at ix.netcom.com From modtiger at comcast.net Tue Feb 28 12:36:18 2012 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:36:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United 34 Message-ID: <4F4D2CB2.6070805@comcast.net> Here's the non official, but up to date information on Tigers United this year Tigers United XXXIV Location is Reno, Nevada Biggest little city in the World Thursday, June 21st thru Sunday, June 24th Siena Hotel-Spa-Casino 1 South Lake Street Reservations: (877) 743-6233 Ask for Tiger Club Group Rooms starting at $89/nite Schedule: Thursday evening - Welcome Party near Hotel Friday - Autocross at Stead Airfield Saturday - Rally Sunday - Concours and Awards Banquet Event details are still being planned and will be announced soon For Pat king -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Feb 29 15:20:56 2012 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers on TV Message-ID: <1418124637.1816021.1330554056366.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Velocity channel's show "What's My Car Worth" just featured a Tiger in its Mailbag section: Glenn(?) sent in pictures of his MK1a for evaluation.. Car is BRG w/ black hardtop (tinted windows?), Panasports,they said it is mildly restorodded with 289, 5speed, Aircond, CruiseControl. They said Tigers are desireable, collectablility rating B (same as the restored GT-350H the show also featured). They said Glenn's(?) if put on the market should fetch at least $40K. Of course, one of the three photos they showed was of a Triumph TR-4(?) dash.. humm... None the less, I think Velocity channel loves Tigers. Gary From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Feb 29 23:20:30 2012 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:20:30 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers on TV References: <1418124637.1816021.1330554056366.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <29403BDA838A4D68936F41F3D580E948@student2> This sounds like Steve Sage's old Tiger (Car is BRG..., 289, 5speed, Aircond). > Velocity channel's show "What's My Car Worth" just featured a Tiger in > its Mailbag section: > Glenn(?) sent in pictures of his MK1a for evaluation.. > Car is BRG w/ black hardtop (tinted windows?), Panasports,they said it is > mildly > restorodded with 289, 5speed, Aircond, CruiseControl. > > They said Tigers are desireable, collectablility rating B (same as the > restored > GT-350H the show also featured). > > They said Glenn's(?) if put on the market should fetch at least $40K. > > Of course, one of the three photos they showed was of a Triumph TR-4(?) > dash.. humm... > None the less, I think Velocity channel loves Tigers. > Gary From fastsage at cox.net Wed Feb 29 23:58:20 2012 From: fastsage at cox.net (fastsage) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:58:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers on TV In-Reply-To: <29403BDA838A4D68936F41F3D580E948@student2> References: <1418124637.1816021.1330554056366.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <29403BDA838A4D68936F41F3D580E948@student2> Message-ID: <4F4F1E0C.4040600@cox.net> Hello Sunbeamers: That is (boo hoo) my old Tiger, with all it's upgrades. Glenn in Texas is who bought it. I did have the three hard top windows tinted at 50% (darkness) and the door and "vent" windows tinted at about 30%, plus insulated the roof, floorboards, trans tunnel, etc.. That helped big time letting the AC blow ice even at 110 degrees in the summer here in Arizona (not to brag or anything). And to reassure the group here, I did not put a Triumph dash in it! Stock Tiger dash and steering wheel with all the gauges and dark burl wood. I was sorry to see it go, but I'll soon be on to another project. Thanks to this list for all the help I got from it. It saved me many times through the years. Steve On 2/29/2012 11:20 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > This sounds like Steve Sage's old Tiger (Car is BRG..., 289, 5speed, > Aircond). > >> Velocity channel's show "What's My Car Worth" just featured a Tiger in >> its Mailbag section: >> Glenn(?) sent in pictures of his MK1a for evaluation.. >> Car is BRG w/ black hardtop (tinted windows?), Panasports,they said >> it is mildly >> restorodded with 289, 5speed, Aircond, CruiseControl. >> >> They said Tigers are desireable, collectablility rating B (same as >> the restored >> GT-350H the show also featured). >> >> They said Glenn's(?) if put on the market should fetch at least $40K. >> >> Of course, one of the three photos they showed was of a Triumph TR-4(?) >> dash.. humm... >> None the less, I think Velocity channel loves Tigers. >> Gary > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fastsage at cox.net