From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  1 14:04:14 2011
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TIGER HUNTING
Message-ID: <E1QzDVX-0005Dl-Gt@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Anybody know this Car?

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#!/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44&permissionsChanged=1&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21190!cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21191

Norm

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Thu Sep  1 14:22:49 2011
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:22:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 96
Message-ID: <300c6.17a8428b.3b914398@aol.com>

Andy,

Yes, you can change it with the engine in the car, assuming you can get the 
lifters out of their bores.  Sometimes, they build a carbon ridge at the 
top of their bores and are very hard to get out.

Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle

From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Thu Sep  1 16:23:27 2011
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 23:23:27 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] TIGER HUNTING
In-Reply-To: <E1QzDVX-0005Dl-Gt@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1QzDVX-0005Dl-Gt@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1YyseNBfXAYOFwkR@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

Give us a CLUE Norm,

its red with Minilites, so pretty rare then  :-)

I sold me red mk1a by the way.

B382001836 LRXFE - ex Bill gegg, now ex me, has a new owner - Tim Kemp 
(son of Steve Kemp owner of 2 tigers).
you should have Steve in your records form the UK club.

Tim is going to race it.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]
kind regards

Jeff


In message <E1QzDVX-0005Dl-Gt at elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, 
Norman C. Miller <rootes1 at earthlink.net> writes
>Anybody know this Car?
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#!/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44&
>permissionsChanged=1&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21190!cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B
>63EA59C60AC1D44%21191
>
>Norm
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-- 
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From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  1 17:21:40 2011
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:21:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TIGER HUNTING
In-Reply-To: <1YyseNBfXAYOFwkR@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
References: <E1QzDVX-0005Dl-Gt@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<1YyseNBfXAYOFwkR@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E1QzGa5-0002yB-KY@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

If you looked in the trunk.........

https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#!/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44&sc=photos&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21193

Norm

At 03:23 PM 9/1/2011, Jeff Howarth wrote:
>Give us a CLUE Norm,

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Thu Sep  1 20:18:44 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:18:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] TIGER HUNTING
Message-ID: <3d7e7.6b3ba1a5.3b919704@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/1/2011 7:46:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rootes1 at earthlink.net writes:

https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#!/?cid=b63ea59c60a
c1d44&sc=photos&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21193




nice fuel  cell lets head off to Targa  Newfoundland 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Sep  1 21:43:37 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:43:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] TIGER HUNTING
In-Reply-To: <3d7e7.6b3ba1a5.3b919704@aol.com>
References: <3d7e7.6b3ba1a5.3b919704@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EDB3F70C@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

There are also three rows of hood louvers visible in the interior shot as well
as in the reflection from the storefront window...

Theo

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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] TIGER HUNTING
>
> In a message dated 9/1/2011 7:46:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rootes1 at earthlink.net writes:
>
> https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#!/?cid=b63ea5
> 9c60a
> c1d44&sc=photos&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21193
>
>
>
>
> nice fuel  cell lets head off to Targa  Newfoundland
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Sep  1 22:04:19 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 04:04:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Hillman Minx
Message-ID: <914274697.48065.1314936259121.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Anybody want a cute little Hillman Minx?
Might be worth it just for the shared Tiger parts (headlight rims, tailights, toggle switches,
wheels, hubcaps)...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/2568922356.html

(I have no interest, just saw it on Craigslist)

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Sep  1 22:34:50 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 21:34:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hillman Minx
References: <914274697.48065.1314936259121.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FBB17BA6C98A475DBD06FE2A672907E7@student2>

Humm..., drop a 260/289 in it and call it a "Minger." :-)

For $1,500 it's not that bad.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Winblad" <garywinblad at comcast.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:04 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Hillman Minx


> Anybody want a cute little Hillman Minx?
> Might be worth it just for the shared Tiger parts (headlight rims, 
> tailights, toggle switches,
> wheels, hubcaps)...
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/2568922356.html
>
> (I have no interest, just saw it on Craigslist)
> _______________________________________________

From crbernardino at mac.com  Fri Sep  2 00:26:22 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:26:22 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rolex Monterey Reunion Motorsports
Message-ID: <3496FCB3-8DD5-4BF3-A9E3-0F3A1FF76DEC@mac.com>

Thought you would like this article on the Lemans Tiger.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/08/sunbeam-tiger-races-in-monterey-with-famous-pedigree/1

I went to the races for my first time. It was awesome. I stopped by the Tiger paddock but was unable to meet and hangout with the crew. My visit coincided with that of Jay Leno. He just walked up and wanted to check out the Tigers. I have a video of him talking about his first Tiger which I will post soon. Also got his autograph, pretty cool.

Here are pictures from the weekend.

http://gallery.me.com/crbernardino/100414

The weekend has motivated me to pursue historic type racing in my Tiger, so I will be periodically be asking everyone for advise as I transform my car to a race ready beast. And also make myself a better driver.

Rob

Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Fri Sep  2 08:35:05 2011
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:35:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rolex Monterey Reunion Motorsports
In-Reply-To: <3496FCB3-8DD5-4BF3-A9E3-0F3A1FF76DEC@mac.com>
References: <3496FCB3-8DD5-4BF3-A9E3-0F3A1FF76DEC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4E60E999.4020102@verizon.net>

Rob, excellent photos of the event.  Nice to see you are taking the 
family as well.

Larry

On 9/2/11 2:26 AM, Rob Bernardino wrote:
> Thought you would like this article on the Lemans Tiger.
>
> http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/08/sunbeam-tiger-races-in-monterey-with-famous-pedigree/1
>
> I went to the races for my first time. It was awesome. I stopped by the Tiger paddock but was unable to meet and hangout with the crew. My visit coincided with that of Jay Leno. He just walked up and wanted to check out the Tigers. I have a video of him talking about his first Tiger which I will post soon. Also got his autograph, pretty cool.
>
> Here are pictures from the weekend.
>
> http://gallery.me.com/crbernardino/100414
>
> The weekend has motivated me to pursue historic type racing in my Tiger, so I will be periodically be asking everyone for advise as I transform my car to a race ready beast. And also make myself a better driver.
>
> Rob
>
> Rob in Carmel, CA
> 1966 Mk1A Tiger
> B382000262 LRXFE
> JAL660245
> Color Code 39: Carnival Red
> TAC# 0519
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Sep  2 13:55:38 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:55:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Heater Motor
Message-ID: <137ab.1b44674f.3b928eba@aol.com>

Have to replace my heater motor. I know I can get one  for about $70 
through VB (don't see it listed with the other suppliers).   The question is, had 
anyone ever found a stronger motor that will bolt right in  without 
modification.....maybe something from a larger  car?
Mark

From csx2282 at sonic.net  Fri Sep  2 14:17:12 2011
From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 13:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hillman Minx
References: <mailman.14.1314986411.13078.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <313432D308BF4DF1922794EC423629D7@Cobra>

Hi Gary,

How's life treating you these days.  Hope the Tiger is still snarling!

This brings back some interesting memories.  I rented a Hillman Minx while I 
was on a work assignment in the Bahamas.  Yeah, sounds cushy, but most of my 
time was spent on a 100 foot boat that my company was running some testing 
on.  Anyway, the interesting things about the Hillman rental was that it was 
a left hand drive car in country where you drive on the left side of the 
road.  Or was it the reverse- can't remember after all these years.  A 
couple of days after getting the car, the hydraulic clutch went out.  I took 
it back to the rental place and got a replacement Hillman.  The next day 
it's clutch died.  I just lived with it for the couple of days I had lift of 
the trip.

I recall an old friend once commenting to me that Hillmans weren't really 
not too good on Hills.

Might make a good parts car, I guess.

Roland

____________________________________________________________________
From: Gary Winblad <garywinblad at comcast.net>

Anybody want a cute little Hillman Minx?
Might be worth it just for the shared Tiger parts (headlight rims, 
tailights, toggle switches,
wheels, hubcaps)...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/2568922356.html

(I have no interest, just saw it on Craigslist)

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Sep  3 08:52:01 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 10:52:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini  & Tigers
Message-ID: <4e623f11.2a96.0@thecia.net>

a short, excellent video with Chasing Classic Cars host Wayne Carini at a previous
Monterey event:

dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html

Hopefully, everyone has seen this by now

rb

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 09:20:16 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:20:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini & Tigers
In-Reply-To: <4e623f11.2a96.0@thecia.net>
References: <4e623f11.2a96.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <CANE47iQv-+k9hcXMq1ZLW613qFvhnJPbfR88G0iJnD+ywBwCSg@mail.gmail.com>

'great handling'....  wonder what cars he is used to :)

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:52 AM, rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote:

> a short, excellent video with Chasing Classic Cars host Wayne Carini at a
> previous
> Monterey event:
>
> dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html
>
> Hopefully, everyone has seen this by now
>
> rb
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From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Sat Sep  3 12:23:49 2011
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:23:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini  & Tigers
In-Reply-To: <4e623f11.2a96.0@thecia.net>
References: <4e623f11.2a96.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <4E6270B5.1060304@cox.net>

_Virtually_ the same car as an FIA COBRA?!

What was he smoking?  I want some!

Seriously, he did say nice things about the Tiger, though.

Best Regards
David Sosna
Tigerless in San Diego

On 9/3/2011 7:52 AM, rande wrote:
> a short, excellent video with Chasing Classic Cars host Wayne Carini at a previous
> Monterey event:
>
> dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html
>
> Hopefully, everyone has seen this by now
>
> rb
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Sat Sep  3 13:05:49 2011
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 14:05:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini  & Tigers
In-Reply-To: <4E6270B5.1060304@cox.net>
References: <4e623f11.2a96.0@thecia.net> <4E6270B5.1060304@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BCA70329-2DA5-49E8-B36E-EE995872178E@lwpb.com>

Well... I thought he was basically saying the same idea as a cobra. 289 ( or
sbf) in a British based roadster chassis. I took it as the same principal for
a great value.blames sense to me. Sure it's not an fia cobra, but it's as
close as I'll ever get. ;)

Sent from my iPhone.

On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:53 PM, "David Sosna" <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>
wrote:

> _Virtually_ the same car as an FIA COBRA?!
>
> What was he smoking?  I want some!
>
> Seriously, he did say nice things about the Tiger, though.
>
> Best Regards
> David Sosna
> Tigerless in San Diego
>
> On 9/3/2011 7:52 AM, rande wrote:
>> a short, excellent video with Chasing Classic Cars host Wayne Carini at a
previous
>> Monterey event:
>>
>> dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html
>>
>> Hopefully, everyone has seen this by now
>>
>> rb
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From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Sat Sep  3 13:24:30 2011
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini  & Tigers
In-Reply-To: <BCA70329-2DA5-49E8-B36E-EE995872178E@lwpb.com>
References: <4e623f11.2a96.0@thecia.net> <4E6270B5.1060304@cox.net>
	<BCA70329-2DA5-49E8-B36E-EE995872178E@lwpb.com>
Message-ID: <4E627EEE.9060605@cox.net>

Cullen:
Of course you're right--but if I hadn't owned a Tiger and I was casually 
watching this on TV I'd be thinking: "wow, I can have the equivalent of 
a Cobra for cheap"
And it isn't "virtually" the same thing at all.
Especially, at his estimates of 40-75 thousand dollars, a Tiger 
isn't--for me--cheap.  Even if compared to a multi-hundred thousand 
dollar Cobra--or a multi-million dollar FIA Cobra.

And yeah, my Tiger was as close as I'd ever get to Cobra.
:-)


Best Regards
David

On 9/3/2011 12:05 PM, Cullen McCann wrote:
> Well... I thought he was basically saying the same idea as a cobra. 289 ( or sbf) in a British based roadster chassis. I took it as the same principal for a great value.blames sense to me. Sure it's not an fia cobra, but it's as close as I'll ever get. ;)
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:53 PM, "David Sosna"<sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>  wrote:
>
>> _Virtually_ the same car as an FIA COBRA?!
>>
>> What was he smoking?  I want some!
>>
>> Seriously, he did say nice things about the Tiger, though.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> David Sosna
>> Tigerless in San Diego
>>
>> On 9/3/2011 7:52 AM, rande wrote:
>>> a short, excellent video with Chasing Classic Cars host Wayne Carini at a previous
>>> Monterey event:
>>>
>>> dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html
>>>
>>> Hopefully, everyone has seen this by now
>>>
>>> rb
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Sat Sep  3 13:55:49 2011
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 14:55:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini  & Tigers
In-Reply-To: <4E627EEE.9060605@cox.net>
References: <4e623f11.2a96.0@thecia.net> <4E6270B5.1060304@cox.net>
	<BCA70329-2DA5-49E8-B36E-EE995872178E@lwpb.com>
	<4E627EEE.9060605@cox.net>
Message-ID: <344D136B-1798-467A-AB35-EC0B40BE601E@lwpb.com>

All true. I agree.

Sent from my iPhone.

On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:47 PM, "David Sosna" <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>
wrote:

> Cullen:
> Of course you're right--but if I hadn't owned a Tiger and I was casually
> watching this on TV I'd be thinking: "wow, I can have the equivalent of
> a Cobra for cheap"
> And it isn't "virtually" the same thing at all.
> Especially, at his estimates of 40-75 thousand dollars, a Tiger
> isn't--for me--cheap.  Even if compared to a multi-hundred thousand
> dollar Cobra--or a multi-million dollar FIA Cobra.
>
> And yeah, my Tiger was as close as I'd ever get to Cobra.
> :-)
>
>
> Best Regards
> David
>
> On 9/3/2011 12:05 PM, Cullen McCann wrote:
>> Well... I thought he was basically saying the same idea as a cobra. 289 (
or sbf) in a British based roadster chassis. I took it as the same principal
for a great value.blames sense to me. Sure it's not an fia cobra, but it's as
close as I'll ever get. ;)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone.
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:53 PM, "David Sosna"<sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>
wrote:
>>
>>> _Virtually_ the same car as an FIA COBRA?!
>>>
>>> What was he smoking?  I want some!
>>>
>>> Seriously, he did say nice things about the Tiger, though.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> David Sosna
>>> Tigerless in San Diego
>>>
>>> On 9/3/2011 7:52 AM, rande wrote:
>>>> a short, excellent video with Chasing Classic Cars host Wayne Carini at a
previous
>>>> Monterey event:
>>>>
>>>> dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, everyone has seen this by now
>>>>
>>>> rb
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  3 15:39:56 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 14:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini  & Tigers
In-Reply-To: <4E627EEE.9060605@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1315085996.9185.YahooMailClassic@web160707.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Remember, a Cobra is just a rich's man's Tiger.

--- On Sat, 9/3/11, David Sosna <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net> wrote:


From: David Sosna <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wayne Carini & Tigers
To:
Cc: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 12:24 PM


Cullen:
Of course you're right--but if I hadn't owned a Tiger and I was casually
watching this on TV I'd be thinking: "wow, I can have the equivalent of
a Cobra for cheap"
And it isn't "virtually" the same thing at all.
Especially, at his estimates of 40-75 thousand dollars, a Tiger
isn't--for me--cheap.  Even if compared to a multi-hundred thousand
dollar Cobra--or a multi-million dollar FIA Cobra.

And yeah, my Tiger was as close as I'd ever get to Cobra.
:-)


Best Regards
David

On 9/3/2011 12:05 PM, Cullen McCann wrote:
> Well... I thought he was basically saying the same idea as a cobra. 289 ( or
sbf) in a British based roadster chassis. I took it as the same principal for
a great value.blames sense to me. Sure it's not an fia cobra, but it's as
close as I'll ever get. ;)
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:53 PM, "David Sosna"<sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net> 
wrote:
>
>> _Virtually_ the same car as an FIA COBRA?!
>>
>> What was he smoking?  I want some!
>>
>> Seriously, he did say nice things about the Tiger, though.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> David Sosna
>> Tigerless in San Diego
>>
>> On 9/3/2011 7:52 AM, rande wrote:
>>> a short, excellent video with Chasing Classic Cars host Wayne Carini at a
previous
>>> Monterey event:
>>>
>>> dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html
>>>
>>> Hopefully, everyone has seen this by now
>>>
>>> rb
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Sat Sep  3 19:58:14 2011
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 20:58:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini  & Tigers
In-Reply-To: <1315085996.9185.YahooMailClassic@web160707.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1315085996.9185.YahooMailClassic@web160707.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50D97514-2FC4-4F6E-9336-5773D93D9837@lwpb.com>

Funny about this day. I saw that rerun episode of chasing classic cars as
well. And I had seen wayne's blurb on the net about the tiger as well... And
then today this comes up on my BaT subscription. The way this article starts
out, is just on line with this discussion. Hopefully this will come across as
a link.

http://www.barnfinds.com/trailer-tiger-1964-sunbeam-tiger-project?utm_source=
feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_content=766718&utm_campaign=Express_2
011-09-03+15%3a30




Sent from my iPhone.

On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:05 PM, "Gary" <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Remember, a Cobra is just a rich's man's Tiger.
>
> --- On Sat, 9/3/11, David Sosna <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Sosna <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wayne Carini & Tigers
> To:
> Cc: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 12:24 PM
>
>
> Cullen:
> Of course you're right--but if I hadn't owned a Tiger and I was casually
> watching this on TV I'd be thinking: "wow, I can have the equivalent of
> a Cobra for cheap"
> And it isn't "virtually" the same thing at all.
> Especially, at his estimates of 40-75 thousand dollars, a Tiger
> isn't--for me--cheap.  Even if compared to a multi-hundred thousand
> dollar Cobra--or a multi-million dollar FIA Cobra.
>
> And yeah, my Tiger was as close as I'd ever get to Cobra.
> :-)
>
>
> Best Regards
> David
>
> On 9/3/2011 12:05 PM, Cullen McCann wrote:
>> Well... I thought he was basically saying the same idea as a cobra. 289 (
or
> sbf) in a British based roadster chassis. I took it as the same principal
for
> a great value.blames sense to me. Sure it's not an fia cobra, but it's as
> close as I'll ever get. ;)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone.
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:53 PM, "David Sosna"<sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> _Virtually_ the same car as an FIA COBRA?!
>>>
>>> What was he smoking?  I want some!
>>>
>>> Seriously, he did say nice things about the Tiger, though.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> David Sosna
>>> Tigerless in San Diego
>>>
>>> On 9/3/2011 7:52 AM, rande wrote:
>>>> a short, excellent video with Chasing Classic Cars host Wayne Carini at
a
> previous
>>>> Monterey event:
>>>>
>>>> dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, everyone has seen this by now
>>>>
>>>> rb
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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  4 21:31:14 2011
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:31:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini  & Tigers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1315159210.9148.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15.1315159210.9148.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8AA2260EE558473CBE558161319C0C25@XPDESKTOP>

<<And yeah, my Tiger was as close as I'd ever get to Cobra.>>

When we bought the Mk I, for a grand or so more, we could have bought a 289
Cobra.  Dealers had 'em sitting on the lots and they were dealing.

But we already had a teeny-tiny car that was a cramped beast with
uncomfortable seats, a small trunk and bolt-on side curtains.  It was an
early Austin Healey 3000. We liked the Healey a lot, and have always missed
it. But . . . compared to the Cobra--and the early Healey--the Tiger was a
nice car.  

It still is, and it always will be.

One of my favorite Tiger quotes:  "While it is true a pig cannot be made
into a race horse, he can be made into a very fast pig!"

Ramon

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Sep  5 05:39:59 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 07:39:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Wayne Carini and FIA Cobra/Tiger vid
Message-ID: <4e64b50f.c4f.0@thecia.net>

'When we bought the Mk I, for a grand or so more, we could have bought a 289

Cobra.  Dealers had 'em sitting on the lots and they were dealing.

But we already had a teeny-tiny car that was a cramped beast with
uncomfortable seats, a small trunk and bolt-on side curtains.  It was an
early Austin Healey 3000. We liked the Healey a lot, and have always missed

it. But . . . compared to the Cobra--and the early Healey--the Tiger was a
nice car.  

It still is, and it always will be.

One of my favorite Tiger quotes:  "While it is true a pig cannot be made
into a race horse, he can be made into a very fast pig!" Ramon


I also remember a quote from R&T magazine comparing the then-new Cadillac Seville(1975)
to Mercedes-Benz by summerizing that while the Seville was not a very good M-B,
it was nonetheless a very good Cadillac. A car is what it is.

As someone who grew up very close to the two Shelby production facilities(Princeton
St and Imperial Hwy-LAX)and has been a student of and coveted Cobra 289's since
they were new, I'm under no illusion that my Tiger is just a Cobra with a solid
rear axle. No doubt Wayne Carini was letting his enthusiasm go little wild in
the short video segment. It's also very hard to compare an extremely rare original
FIA Cobra with a very nice standard Tiger Mark I for pricing purposes.

It's one of the facets of Wayne's show.He does something similar with Ferrari's,
to the effect of,and I'm paraphrasing, "I know you may not have a million dollars
for this 166 model, but you could get into the Ferrari fold by buying a 308
or 328 for around $20,000."

Now, I'm off to Lime Rock Park for the vintage races.

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Mon Sep  5 06:38:00 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 08:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Spare Tires - Non Tiger
Message-ID: <000701cc6bc8$a6340500$6501a8c0@Brennan>

We've had a couple vehicles where the spare tire is stored under the
back end.  On both, the steel rimmed spare has rusted to s**t after a
few years exposure up here in the salt and snow belt.  Now we're about
to get another car that will have the same problem.  

 

I'm tempted to give the spare rim about 8 coats of rustoleum, but I was
wondering if anyone has ever seen a cover or something similar that
could protect the spare from the elements.  Any ideas out there?

 

Stu

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Sep  5 07:49:13 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 09:49:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Spare Tires - Non Tiger
Message-ID: <3c9d7.4f0ed2d6.3b962d59@aol.com>

Hmm, I'm in the salt belt too. Sounds like I'd better  check the spare on 
my pick-up since I've never used it in 17  yrs:-)
Would be messy, but I bet a coat of axle grease with a  brush would keep it 
from rusting.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/5/2011 8:46:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
stubrennan at comcast.net writes:

We've  had a couple vehicles where the spare tire is stored under the
back  end.  On both, the steel rimmed spare has rusted to s**t after a
few  years exposure up here in the salt and snow belt.  Now we're about
to  get another car that will have the same problem.  



I'm  tempted to give the spare rim about 8 coats of rustoleum, but I  was
wondering if anyone has ever seen a cover or something similar  that
could protect the spare from the elements.  Any ideas out  there?



Stu
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From dcstory at aol.com  Mon Sep  5 08:28:03 2011
From: dcstory at aol.com (Don Story)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 07:28:03 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Spare Tires - Non Tiger
In-Reply-To: <000701cc6bc8$a6340500$6501a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000701cc6bc8$a6340500$6501a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <2A60CBD6-6B94-45E2-860B-070FE26047A7@aol.com>

What's the salt belt?
>From sunny So Cal
Don Story
(909) 455-2355


On Sep 5, 2011, at 5:38 AM, "Stu Brennan" <stubrennan at comcast.net> wrote:

> We've had a couple vehicles where the spare tire is stored under the
> back end.  On both, the steel rimmed spare has rusted to s**t after a
> few years exposure up here in the salt and snow belt.  Now we're about
> to get another car that will have the same problem.
>
>
>
> I'm tempted to give the spare rim about 8 coats of rustoleum, but I was
> wondering if anyone has ever seen a cover or something similar that
> could protect the spare from the elements.  Any ideas out there?
>
>
>
> Stu
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Mon Sep  5 08:40:53 2011
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Spare Tires - Non Tiger
Message-ID: <1291f.1d4a3d0e.3b963975@aol.com>

Cosmoline. Not sure of the spelling, but it is used on ocean going vessels  
to protect from salt and corrosion. Comes off with brake clean.
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 9/5/2011 9:49:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Hmm, I'm  in the salt belt too. Sounds like I'd better  check the spare on 
my  pick-up since I've never used it in 17  yrs:-)
Would be messy, but I  bet a coat of axle grease with a  brush would keep 
it 
from  rusting.
Mark


In a message dated 9/5/2011 8:46:56 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,  
stubrennan at comcast.net writes:

We've  had  a couple vehicles where the spare tire is stored under the
back   end.  On both, the steel rimmed spare has rusted to s**t after  a
few  years exposure up here in the salt and snow belt.  Now  we're about
to  get another car that will have the same problem.   



I'm  tempted to give the spare rim about 8 coats of  rustoleum, but I  was
wondering if anyone has ever seen a cover or  something similar  that
could protect the spare from the  elements.  Any ideas out   there?



Stu
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep  5 11:51:45 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:51:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fiberglass Male Plug
Message-ID: <4E650C31.60308@mayfco.com>

Gathering up my smarts...from you folk! I am going to make a foam and 
metal buck or male plug to make a fiberglass mold from which I can make 
a new nose piece for the Sunbeam. I have seen folk just glass over the 
plug with out any particular preparations and then wrestle with getting 
the foam out of the inside. That might work well but it seems to leave a 
coarser finish on the glass.  I think I want to shape the foam and then 
bondo it to make it smooth, paint it and finish the plug like the 
exterior I want the nose piece to have.  Then I will wax it and then put 
PVA or another thing parting material on it. Then a gel coat for the 
ultimate smoothness.  The use glass weave and mat to make the female 
mold. Lots of layers. The before I remove it from the plug, add some 
stiffening structure to the back side. Remove it from the plug. The 
remove the plug.  Repair any imperfections in the mold with maybe 
plaster of  Paris and re paint it. Then wax and PVA followed by gel coat 
of my favorite color. When that sets then do the glass work on the 
inside.  Add some ribs and stiffeners on the inside. And then mount it 
to the car.

But, th efirst question is, what kind of bondo or filler goop woudl work 
best in the kind of application. There seems to be a lot of them.  
That's prety much the only question I have for now, but more will crop 
up later I am sure.

Any help or thoughts out there?

mayf

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---------------------------------
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Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph

From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com  Mon Sep  5 13:23:19 2011
From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (Ken Tisdale)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:23:19 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil filter removal
Message-ID: <4E6521A7.6000207@ix.netcom.com>

Mk 1 original set up:  clockwise for adapter bolt and nylon washer to 
remove?
TIA
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Mon Sep  5 19:53:46 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:53:46 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger cold start video
Message-ID: <4CFC54352A79457699CF71B582064297@BobsDell>

A quick video of my Tiger starting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlAKS-6odJQ

From spmdr at juno.com  Mon Sep  5 19:36:40 2011
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers vs Cobras
Message-ID: <20110905.183648.990.1225003@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>

This year's Monterey event is history.

And yet again, there were rules that didn't apply to everyone!

...even WHEN the powers that be were WELL informed!

However, it WAS entertaining to see Tom Sakai's Tiger leading a 427 Cobra
lap after lap!

...and this included pulling the Cobra down the front straight, for
several laps!

BTW, the 427 Cobra HAD to go off the track to avoid another Cobra.

The other Cobra was parked right on the racing line between turns 3 and
4!

Yes, I said parked! The driver thought that was the best place to leave
it!

The irregularities at this event seem to be endless, year after year!

  DW
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep  5 22:27:50 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:27:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Generator Bracke, MK I
Message-ID: <4E65A146.7010203@mayfco.com>

A few days ago someone was seeking a Generator bracket for their car. 
Here is one from a different car but is the same part for the Tiger.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-1964-Ford-Mustang-260-289-GENERATOR-MOUNT-BRACKET-/160596463874?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item25644b9102

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---------------------------------
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Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep  5 22:29:47 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:29:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Generator Bracket...
Message-ID: <4E65A1BB.5050707@mayfco.com>

Well, dang, here is another one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-Falcon-260-289-GENERATOR-MOUNT-BRACKET-/300588383105?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45fc76bb81

much cheaper.

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---------------------------------
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Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep  5 22:33:51 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:33:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
Message-ID: <4E65A2AF.8030701@mayfco.com>

Here ya go, another one but complete with generator.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-FALCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7076261


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---------------------------------
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Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 22:40:02 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:40:02 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
In-Reply-To: <4E65A2AF.8030701@mayfco.com>
References: <4E65A2AF.8030701@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <CAET8snWDW7DtdzX1YRo93sfpxoxAVgGdB254HW-pveCOqqW95g@mail.gmail.com>

so generators are no longer popular? dang...

On 6 September 2011 14:33, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

> Here ya go, another one but complete with generator.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-FALCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7076261
>
>
> --
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> Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
> Top Speed: 210.779 mph
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep  5 23:01:13 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 22:01:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snWDW7DtdzX1YRo93sfpxoxAVgGdB254HW-pveCOqqW95g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E65A2AF.8030701@mayfco.com>
	<CAET8snWDW7DtdzX1YRo93sfpxoxAVgGdB254HW-pveCOqqW95g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E65A919.90005@mayfco.com>

This is not from a tiger. Bracket is the same, gen looks the same but I 
suspect has the wrong pulley on it.

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/5/2011 9:40 PM, michael king wrote:
> so generators are no longer popular? dang...
>
> On 6 September 2011 14:33, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com 
> <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com>> wrote:
>
>     Here ya go, another one but complete with generator.
>
>     http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-FALCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7076261
>     <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-FALCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7076261>
>
>
>     --
>     drmayf
>     ---------------------------------
>     world's fastest sunbeam. period.
>     Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
>     Top Speed: 210.779 mph
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>
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Mon Sep  5 23:27:15 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 22:27:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Movie in My MobileMe Gallery
Message-ID: <D86A736B-1D68-40B1-BB67-BF72B9F63B53@mac.com>

Here is the movie of Jay Leno talking Tigers at Laguna Seca.

Jay Leno @ Laguna Seca
http://gallery.me.com/crbernardino/100417

Enjoy the movie!

BTW - Thanks for everyone's inout and advice about racing. Consensus is focus on driver first. I agree.
So my Tiger will get minimal mods for track and one day if I progress accordingly (and have funds), I would like to get a second Tiger for racing historics. One can dream, right!
However, I am going to style my current car more like period race car - i.e. tribute car. I've started by stripping the carpet and sound deadening material, and am painting the interior floor panels gray. The carpets were crappy Victoria British anyway, so nothing to lose. I've also deleted the bumpers and will be installing a roll bar and harness soon. Later I want to paint white 'meatballs' on the side.
Will share pics when I get a chance.

My first track day/course is for December. Can't wait.

Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Mon Sep  5 23:31:46 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 05:31:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
In-Reply-To: <2138631175.232052.1315286244939.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <869571264.232259.1315287106872.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Additional info: B B  The top of the Tiger bracket has a somewhat slanted, "V"
shape cutout between the ears where the generator mounts.B B  It is a
continuous curve, almost a slanted B "V " shape with a rounded bottom .B B 
These Falcon ones have a flat edge across the bottom of that otherwise "V "
shape.



Gene



PS:B  my earlierB forwarding reply to the tigers at autox.team.net got flagged as
non-deliverable.


----- Original Message -----


From: genepadgett at comcast.net
To: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>, "michael king"
<michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:17:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!




Guys, I know from personal experience these generator brackets look almost the
same as the Tiger ones but they are different.B  I own one from a Falcon 260
motor as proof.B  C20E-10038-H is cast on it.B  The OEM one on my 260 Tiger
motorB sets the generator further aft than the Falcon one does.B B  I bought
the Falcon one for my 347 project and found out the hard way the pulleys would
not line up.B 

B 

My messages to people on the list do not seem to get general archive
publication these days.B B  If this does not appear there in a reasonable
time, wouldB you forward it to the list for me?

B 

Thanks, Gene



----- Original Message -----




From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:01:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!

This is not from a tiger. Bracket is the same, gen looks the same but I
suspect has the wrong pulley on it.

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/5/2011 9:40 PM, michael king wrote:
> so generators are no longer popular? dang...
>
> On 6 September 2011 14:33, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com
> <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com>> wrote:
>
> B  B  Here ya go, another one but complete with generator.
>
> B  B 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-FA
LCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7076261
> B  B 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-F
ALCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7076261>
>
>
> B  B  --
> B  B  drmayf
> B  B  ---------------------------------
> B  B  world's fastest sunbeam. period.
> B  B  Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
> B  B  Top Speed: 210.779 mph
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>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Sep  6 05:44:34 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:44:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
In-Reply-To: <869571264.232259.1315287106872.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0578D5A115EB4BBCBB9B72ACDD11E9B4@ronpc1>

Gene
	I concur, I do not believe a stock Ford generator bracket will work
on a Tiger engine.  The Tiger generator bracket is listed as a C4JZ part
number which mean it was supplied by the Ford Industrial Group.   I believe
the offset of the bracket was changed to line up the fan belt on the
relocated Tiger pulleys which are also listed as C4JZ part numbers.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of genepadgett at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:32 AM
To: drmayf
Cc: Tigers
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!


Additional info: B B  The top of the Tiger bracket has a somewhat slanted,
"V" shape cutout between the ears where the generator mounts.B B  It is a
continuous curve, almost a slanted B "V " shape with a rounded bottom .B B
These Falcon ones have a flat edge across the bottom of that otherwise "V "
shape.



Gene



PS:B  my earlierB forwarding reply to the tigers at autox.team.net got flagged
as non-deliverable.


----- Original Message -----


From: genepadgett at comcast.net
To: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>, "michael king"
<michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:17:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!




Guys, I know from personal experience these generator brackets look almost
the same as the Tiger ones but they are different.B  I own one from a Falcon
260 motor as proof.B  C20E-10038-H is cast on it.B  The OEM one on my 260
Tiger motorB sets the generator further aft than the Falcon one does.B B  I
bought the Falcon one for my 347 project and found out the hard way the
pulleys would not line up.B

B

My messages to people on the list do not seem to get general archive
publication these days.B B  If this does not appear there in a reasonable
time, wouldB you forward it to the list for me?

B

Thanks, Gene



----- Original Message -----




From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:01:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!

This is not from a tiger. Bracket is the same, gen looks the same but I
suspect has the wrong pulley on it.

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/5/2011 9:40 PM, michael king wrote:
> so generators are no longer popular? dang...
>
> On 6 September 2011 14:33, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com
> <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com>> wrote:
>
> B  B  Here ya go, another one but complete with generator.
>
> B  B
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-F
A
LCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7076261
> B  B
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-
F
ALCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb707626
1>
>
>
> B  B  --
> B  B  drmayf
> B  B  ---------------------------------
> B  B  world's fastest sunbeam. period.
> B  B  Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
> B  B  Top Speed: 210.779 mph
> B  B  _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Sep  6 06:34:30 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 05:34:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
In-Reply-To: <0578D5A115EB4BBCBB9B72ACDD11E9B4@ronpc1>
References: <0578D5A115EB4BBCBB9B72ACDD11E9B4@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4E661356.9090602@mayfco.com>

Heck, I have one of each. I'll  measure them in a day or two.

mayf

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/6/2011 4:44 AM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Gene
> 	I concur, I do not believe a stock Ford generator bracket will work
> on a Tiger engine.  The Tiger generator bracket is listed as a C4JZ part
> number which mean it was supplied by the Ford Industrial Group.   I believe
> the offset of the bracket was changed to line up the fan belt on the
> relocated Tiger pulleys which are also listed as C4JZ part numbers.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of genepadgett at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:32 AM
> To: drmayf
> Cc: Tigers
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
>
>
> Additional info: B B  The top of the Tiger bracket has a somewhat slanted,
> "V" shape cutout between the ears where the generator mounts.B B  It is a
> continuous curve, almost a slanted B "V " shape with a rounded bottom .B B
> These Falcon ones have a flat edge across the bottom of that otherwise "V "
> shape.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> PS:B  my earlierB forwarding reply to the tigers at autox.team.net got flagged
> as non-deliverable.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: genepadgett at comcast.net
> To: "drmayf"<drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Cc: "Tigers"<tigers at autox.team.net>, "michael king"
> <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:17:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
>
>
>
>
> Guys, I know from personal experience these generator brackets look almost
> the same as the Tiger ones but they are different.B  I own one from a Falcon
> 260 motor as proof.B  C20E-10038-H is cast on it.B  The OEM one on my 260
> Tiger motorB sets the generator further aft than the Falcon one does.B B  I
> bought the Falcon one for my 347 project and found out the hard way the
> pulleys would not line up.B
>
> B
>
> My messages to people on the list do not seem to get general archive
> publication these days.B B  If this does not appear there in a reasonable
> time, wouldB you forward it to the list for me?
>
> B
>
> Thanks, Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
>
> From: "drmayf"<drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "michael king"<michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Tigers"<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:01:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator Bracket ..... and ....Generator!
>
> This is not from a tiger. Bracket is the same, gen looks the same but I
> suspect has the wrong pulley on it.
>
> drmayf
> ---------------------------------
> world's fastest sunbeam. period.
> Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
> Top Speed: 210.779 mph
>
>
> On 9/5/2011 9:40 PM, michael king wrote:
>> so generators are no longer popular? dang...
>>
>> On 6 September 2011 14:33, drmayf<drmayf at mayfco.com
>> <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com>>  wrote:
>>
>> B  B  Here ya go, another one but complete with generator.
>>
>> B  B
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-F
> A
> LCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7076261
>> B  B
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-MUSTANG-GENERATOR-260-V-8-ENGINE-65-66-
> F
> ALCON-/260768752225?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb707626
> 1>
>>
>> B  B  --
>> B  B  drmayf
>> B  B  ---------------------------------
>> B  B  world's fastest sunbeam. period.
>> B  B  Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
>> B  B  Top Speed: 210.779 mph
>> B  B  _______________________________________________
>>
>> B  B  tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
>>
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>>
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From harryb at elams.org  Tue Sep  6 07:27:23 2011
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry Elam)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket
Message-ID: <4E661FBB.1050205@elams.org>

I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs a 
known original.

Harry Elam
B382000471

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Sep  6 07:43:57 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 06:43:57 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <4E661FBB.1050205@elams.org>
References: <4E661FBB.1050205@elams.org>
Message-ID: <4E66239D.3070602@mayfco.com>

Just for curiosity, what is the casting or part number on the piece? And 
here is a serious question: If this comes from a MK1A  can it be used to 
restore a MK1 and still retain provenance?

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/6/2011 6:27 AM, Harry Elam wrote:
> I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs a 
> known original.
>
> Harry Elam
> B382000471
> _______________________________________________
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From phastphill at aol.com  Tue Sep  6 08:08:32 2011
From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:08:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Spare Tires - Non Tiger
In-Reply-To: <3c9d7.4f0ed2d6.3b962d59@aol.com>
References: <3c9d7.4f0ed2d6.3b962d59@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE3AB5983B5E8E-25D8-868DC@webmail-m159.sysops.aol.com>

Every time you change to snow tires, drop the spare, grease the wheel and esp
the chain that holds it up  and the crank mechanism


---- Original Message ----
From: CoolVT <CoolVT at aol.com>
To: stubrennan <stubrennan at comcast.net>; tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spare Tires - Non Tiger


Hmm, I'm in the salt belt too. Sounds like I'd better  check the spare on
y pick-up since I've never used it in 17  yrs:-)
ould be messy, but I bet a coat of axle grease with a  brush would keep it
rom rusting.
ark


n a message dated 9/5/2011 8:46:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tubrennan at comcast.net writes:
We've  had a couple vehicles where the spare tire is stored under the
ack  end.  On both, the steel rimmed spare has rusted to s**t after a
ew  years exposure up here in the salt and snow belt.  Now we're about
o  get another car that will have the same problem.

I'm  tempted to give the spare rim about 8 coats of rustoleum, but I  was
ondering if anyone has ever seen a cover or something similar  that
ould protect the spare from the elements.  Any ideas out  there?

Stu
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Sep  6 09:25:39 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 11:25:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <4E66239D.3070602@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <1C4C702F8C1A432FBB157D21EB68CE60@ronpc1>

The Parts List has 2 part numbers listed
C4JZ-10039-A up to B9471618
C4JZ-10039-B from B9471619

	I have no idea what the difference is between these two.   The stock
Ford bracket has an opening for the dip stick and at sometime Ford reduced
the size of that opening which generated a new casting number.  I don't
think either of these brackets has a dip stick opening but I don't know for
sure.

If I recall correctly the Tiger Generator bracket has no casting number.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket


Just for curiosity, what is the casting or part number on the piece? And 
here is a serious question: If this comes from a MK1A  can it be used to 
restore a MK1 and still retain provenance?

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/6/2011 6:27 AM, Harry Elam wrote:
> I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs a
> known original.
>
> Harry Elam
> B382000471
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From Carmods at aol.com  Tue Sep  6 13:53:16 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:53:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger cold start video
Message-ID: <10268.49e2fab2.3b97d42c@aol.com>

Hi Bob,
 
Wow what a smooth running engine!! You  must have some great motor mounts 
or something in that thing. When my Tiger is  running like that, it shakes 
and rolls!!
 
John Logan

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 14:06:28 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:06:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger cold start video
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the engine is on a stand in front of the car? :)

On Sep 6, 2011, at 15:53, Carmods at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Wow what a smooth running engine!! You  must have some great motor mounts
> or something in that thing. When my Tiger is  running like that, it shakes
> and rolls!!
>
> John Logan
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 14:12:11 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:12:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Mercedes Benz race cars (non tiger)
Message-ID: <F087E9B6-EEA3-4EF9-B1D2-7404069A1049@gmail.com>

i was very lucky to have a private tour of the Mercedes Benz workshop and
secret storage facility in Stuttgart last week.  the most impressive
collection of cars I've ever seen in my life.  sat in stirling moss' famous
'722' mille miglia 300 SLR and Mercedes even bought me lunch in their
excellent restaurant.

From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  6 21:39:00 2011
From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:39:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] GT40-P crate motor
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP104D4822ACC1CA79B2B35CEAE1F0@phx.gbl>

Has anybody had any success dropping a GT40-P crate motor in their Tiger? I
found one for $1750 which seems like a good deal. I have heard that they have
issues with headers and spark plug clearances so I am worried I won't be able
to install headers from SS.

Nathan Johnson

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 21:43:02 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 13:43:02 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers vs Cobras
In-Reply-To: <20110905.183648.990.1225003@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110905.183648.990.1225003@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CAET8snUhnC4oHSsoeJK2XnQpXbw0tm0539OGxGawE_7-Heyt-g@mail.gmail.com>

Dan,

How did the tigers go over all.. buks SCF74 car, tom's yellow car and a
black tiger were running?

Also is the rules refference to the group 6 class or in general?

On 6 September 2011 11:36, <spmdr at juno.com> wrote:

> This year's Monterey event is history.
>
> And yet again, there were rules that didn't apply to everyone!
>
> ...even WHEN the powers that be were WELL informed!
>
> However, it WAS entertaining to see Tom Sakai's Tiger leading a 427 Cobra
> lap after lap!
>
> ...and this included pulling the Cobra down the front straight, for
> several laps!
>
> BTW, the 427 Cobra HAD to go off the track to avoid another Cobra.
>
> The other Cobra was parked right on the racing line between turns 3 and
> 4!
>
> Yes, I said parked! The driver thought that was the best place to leave
> it!
>
> The irregularities at this event seem to be endless, year after year!
>
>  DW
> ____________________________________________________________
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-- 
Regards

Michael King

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 22:42:09 2011
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:42:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] GT40-P crate motor
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References: <BLU0-SMTP104D4822ACC1CA79B2B35CEAE1F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F2D694F120524D19A7E12BE5EFFB2F6A@DellD4700>

Nathan,

The 302 I built for my Geo Tracker has GT-40P heads. They are supposed to be
worth about 25h.p. over stock E7TE heads. The spark plugs are indeed positioned
slightly different from the other Ford heads, but the header fitment issue
involves changing the spark plugs rather than how the headers bolt to the
engine. I am using standard aftermarket shorty headers, so I would expect the
SS headers to bolt to the engine and line up with the rest of your system with
no problem. YMMV, of course.

The GT40-P heads are considered about the best factory iron heads and are
popular with people, like me, who are trying to get a little more power at the
lowest cost. You probably would have no problem swapping them for some other
late model Ford heads such as the E7TE's from later model 5.0 Mustangs. You
might even pick up a few dollars on the deal.

I guess what I am saying is that I don't think the heads should keep you from
doing the deal. Whether you try using the existing heads or swapping for others
would be up to you. You might try bolting a set of SS headers to the engine
before it goes into the car and see if it looks like you can change the plugs.
Fortunately, modern ignition systems can make plug changes a fairly rare
occurrence in any event.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Nathan
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:39 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] GT40-P crate motor

Has anybody had any success dropping a GT40-P crate motor in their Tiger? I
found one for $1750 which seems like a good deal. I have heard that they have
issues with headers and spark plug clearances so I am worried I won't be able
to install headers from SS.

Nathan Johnson
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From tigerfixer at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  7 09:16:58 2011
From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:16:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <1C4C702F8C1A432FBB157D21EB68CE60@ronpc1>
References: <4E66239D.3070602@mayfco.com>
	<1C4C702F8C1A432FBB157D21EB68CE60@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <1315408618.89496.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have a bin full of Tiger and regular Ford Generator brackets the spacing is
different
 on a Tiger. I also have exact reproduction Mark 2 alternator
brackets. I got tired of 
 the crap that was available to put an alternator on
a Tiger so had a pattern made then
 had them cast and precision machined. They
are made of ZA-12 Zinc alloy which has
 a higher tensile strength than 40kpsi
cast Iron. They are expensive to make but fit right
 look right and a Ford
alternator bolts right up. Sorry bout the sales pitch but just wanted
 everyone to know that there is an alternative alternator bracket out there.
Email me and
 I can send you pics. Working on a new web presence as the old
one died and went 
 away.
Bill Martin
Rootes Group Depot
650-364-1965

From allanballard at att.net  Wed Sep  7 10:40:50 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (allanballard at att.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:40:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
In-Reply-To: <1C4C702F8C1A432FBB157D21EB68CE60@ronpc1>
References: <1C4C702F8C1A432FBB157D21EB68CE60@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <C43644FD-94D6-4325-83C2-4FF723B8AB5A@att.net>

How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?

Is zero the correct answer?

I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000 highway miles, mostly at 65
to 70 miles an hour.

The 289 lost 31/2 quarts of oil.

No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.

I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.

Thanks in advance,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:25 AM, " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> The Parts List has 2 part numbers listed
> C4JZ-10039-A up to B9471618
> C4JZ-10039-B from B9471619
>
>    I have no idea what the difference is between these two.   The stock
> Ford bracket has an opening for the dip stick and at sometime Ford reduced
> the size of that opening which generated a new casting number.  I don't
> think either of these brackets has a dip stick opening but I don't know for
> sure.
>
> If I recall correctly the Tiger Generator bracket has no casting number.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of drmayf
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket
>
>
> Just for curiosity, what is the casting or part number on the piece? And
> here is a serious question: If this comes from a MK1A  can it be used to
> restore a MK1 and still retain provenance?
>
> drmayf
> ---------------------------------
> world's fastest sunbeam. period.
> Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
> Top Speed: 210.779 mph
>
>
> On 9/6/2011 6:27 AM, Harry Elam wrote:
>> I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs a
>> known original.
>>
>> Harry Elam
>> B382000471
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Sep  7 11:39:10 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:39:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
In-Reply-To: <C43644FD-94D6-4325-83C2-4FF723B8AB5A@att.net>
References: <1C4C702F8C1A432FBB157D21EB68CE60@ronpc1>
	<C43644FD-94D6-4325-83C2-4FF723B8AB5A@att.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EDBB1C8E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

How is your PCV system plumbed? If you don't have good baffles in the valve
covers, then you may end up sucking a lot of oil vapor into the intake
manifold especially at high vacuum (i.e. highway cruise) conditions.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of allanballard at att.net
> Sent: September 7, 2011 10:41 AM
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
>
> How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?
>
> Is zero the correct answer?
>
> I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000 highway miles, mostly
> at 65
> to 70 miles an hour.
>
> The 289 lost 31/2 quarts of oil.
>
> No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.
>
> I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:25 AM, " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The Parts List has 2 part numbers listed
> > C4JZ-10039-A up to B9471618
> > C4JZ-10039-B from B9471619
> >
> >    I have no idea what the difference is between these two.   The
> stock
> > Ford bracket has an opening for the dip stick and at sometime Ford
> reduced
> > the size of that opening which generated a new casting number.  I
> don't
> > think either of these brackets has a dip stick opening but I don't
> know for
> > sure.
> >
> > If I recall correctly the Tiger Generator bracket has no casting
> number.
> >
> > Ron Fraser
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of drmayf
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 AM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket
> >
> >
> > Just for curiosity, what is the casting or part number on the piece?
> And
> > here is a serious question: If this comes from a MK1A  can it be used
> to
> > restore a MK1 and still retain provenance?
> >
> > drmayf
> > ---------------------------------
> > world's fastest sunbeam. period.
> > Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
> > Top Speed: 210.779 mph
> >
> >
> > On 9/6/2011 6:27 AM, Harry Elam wrote:
> >> I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs
> a
> >> known original.
> >>
> >> Harry Elam
> >> B382000471
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> tigers at autox.team.net
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From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Sep  7 12:54:14 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 14:54:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers]  Oil consumption
Message-ID: <151af.d98ca6.3b9917d4@aol.com>

Hi Allen,
 
Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289? Your  oil 
consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After reinstalling  
them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart after 2500  
miles. 
 
John Logan
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time, 
allanballard at att.net writes:

How much  oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?

Is zero the  correct answer?

I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000  highway miles, mostly at 
65
to 70 miles an hour.

The 289 lost 31/2  quarts of oil.

No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.

I haven't  gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.

Thanks in  advance,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a  Tiger

From allanballard at att.net  Wed Sep  7 13:22:39 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (allanballard at att.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:22:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
In-Reply-To: <151af.d98ca6.3b9917d4@aol.com>
References: <151af.d98ca6.3b9917d4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C3F94851-A5EB-42D4-A69F-4E41C85DA7F4@att.net>

John,

Yes, the baffles had to be removed for the covers to fit over the rockers that
came with the aluminum heads...

But...if that much oil was blown out...wouldn't it be all over the motor
around the oil filler cap - or could it vaporize and not smell of burned oil?

Rgds,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Carmods at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Allen,
>
> Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289? Your oil
consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After reinstalling
them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart after 2500
miles.
>
> John Logan
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
allanballard at att.net writes:
> How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?
>
> Is zero the correct answer?
>
> I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000 highway miles, mostly at
65
> to 70 miles an hour.
>
> The 289 lost 31/2 quarts of oil.
>
> No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.
>
> I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Sep  7 13:27:19 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 14:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
In-Reply-To: <C3F94851-A5EB-42D4-A69F-4E41C85DA7F4@att.net>
References: <151af.d98ca6.3b9917d4@aol.com>
	<C3F94851-A5EB-42D4-A69F-4E41C85DA7F4@att.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EDBB1CFD@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

The oil is getting drawn into the intake through the PCV system and it's
getting burned as part of the intake mixture. The only times when you might
notice this is if you're idling and the wind is from behind you. On an F4B
intake, you'd notice that the #4 plug is more prone to fouling because the PCV
is plumbed into that intake runner.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of allanballard at att.net
> Sent: September 7, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: Carmods at aol.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil consumption
>
> John,
>
> Yes, the baffles had to be removed for the covers to fit over the
> rockers that
> came with the aluminum heads...
>
> But...if that much oil was blown out...wouldn't it be all over the
> motor
> around the oil filler cap - or could it vaporize and not smell of
> burned oil?
>
> Rgds,
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Carmods at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hi Allen,
> >
> > Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289? Your
> oil
> consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After
> reinstalling
> them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart after
> 2500
> miles.
> >
> > John Logan
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> allanballard at att.net writes:
> > How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?
> >
> > Is zero the correct answer?
> >
> > I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000 highway miles,
> mostly at
> 65
> > to 70 miles an hour.
> >
> > The 289 lost 31/2 quarts of oil.
> >
> > No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.
> >
> > I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Allan Ballard
> > Mk1a Tiger
> _______________________________________________
>
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From allanballard at att.net  Wed Sep  7 13:31:32 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:31:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
In-Reply-To: <C3F94851-A5EB-42D4-A69F-4E41C85DA7F4@att.net>
References: <151af.d98ca6.3b9917d4@aol.com>
	<C3F94851-A5EB-42D4-A69F-4E41C85DA7F4@att.net>
Message-ID: <3739987B-1888-49B6-BD03-623423FACAC5@att.net>

"How is your PCV system plumbed? If you don't have good baffles in the valve
covers, then you may end up sucking a lot of oil vapor into the intake
manifold especially at high vacuum (i.e. highway cruise) conditions.

Theo"

Since I have *no* baffles this is where I'll start to look....

Rgds,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine



On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:22 PM, allanballard at att.net wrote:

> John,
>
> Yes, the baffles had to be removed for the covers to fit over the rockers
that
> came with the aluminum heads...
>
> But...if that much oil was blown out...wouldn't it be all over the motor
> around the oil filler cap - or could it vaporize and not smell of burned
oil?
>
> Rgds,
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Carmods at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Allen,
>>
>> Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289? Your oil
> consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After
reinstalling
> them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart after 2500
> miles.
>>
>> John Logan
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> allanballard at att.net writes:
>> How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?
>>
>> Is zero the correct answer?
>>
>> I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000 highway miles, mostly at
> 65
>> to 70 miles an hour.
>>
>> The 289 lost 31/2 quarts of oil.
>>
>> No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.
>>
>> I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1a Tiger
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From jim at island.net  Wed Sep  7 13:46:11 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:46:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
In-Reply-To: <3739987B-1888-49B6-BD03-623423FACAC5@att.net>
References: <151af.d98ca6.3b9917d4@aol.com>
	<C3F94851-A5EB-42D4-A69F-4E41C85DA7F4@att.net>
	<3739987B-1888-49B6-BD03-623423FACAC5@att.net>
Message-ID: <00c701cc6d96$cbb2b3b0$63181b10$@net>

Hi Allan

You mention that you have no baffles to clear the rockers... what type of
rockers?
  I know that my engine has 'rollers' with no baffles and 1/2" spacers under
the cast Tiger covers... and no problems... BUT... I do remember in the
specs that there are restrictors in the oil passages... I assume the rollers
need less oil ... and I can get away without the baffles...
 just a thought...

Jim
B382000446


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:32 PM
To: allanballard at att.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil consumption

"How is your PCV system plumbed? If you don't have good baffles in the valve
covers, then you may end up sucking a lot of oil vapor into the intake
manifold especially at high vacuum (i.e. highway cruise) conditions.

Theo"

Since I have *no* baffles this is where I'll start to look....

Rgds,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine



On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:22 PM, allanballard at att.net wrote:

> John,
>
> Yes, the baffles had to be removed for the covers to fit over the rockers
that
> came with the aluminum heads...
>
> But...if that much oil was blown out...wouldn't it be all over the motor
> around the oil filler cap - or could it vaporize and not smell of burned
oil?
>
> Rgds,
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Carmods at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Allen,
>>
>> Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289? Your oil
> consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After
reinstalling
> them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart after 2500
> miles.
>>
>> John Logan
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> allanballard at att.net writes:
>> How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?
>>
>> Is zero the correct answer?
>>
>> I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000 highway miles, mostly at
> 65
>> to 70 miles an hour.
>>
>> The 289 lost 31/2 quarts of oil.
>>
>> No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.
>>
>> I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1a Tiger
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From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Sep  7 13:45:29 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:45:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers]  Oil consumption
Message-ID: <17a03.79f4339.3b9923cf@aol.com>

Hi Allen,
 
Without baffles, the oil gets sucked into the intake manifold through the  
PVC tube and burned in the combustion chambers. If you remove the PVC tube 
just  after running the engine, you will see oil inside the tube. There 
should be  none.
 
I solved the rocker clearance problem by reinstalling the baffles closer to 
 the cover's inside surface, especially where the rockers interfered and  
installed an additional thick rubber gasket for more clearance.
 
I did some hammering to the sheet metal above the rocker cover for  more 
installation clearance. The extra rubber gasket is flexible so it can be  slid 
over the rocker cover and under the flange after the cover is in  place.
 
John Logan
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2011 3:22:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
allanballard at att.net writes:

John,


Yes, the baffles had to be removed for the covers to fit over the rockers  
that came with the aluminum heads...


But...if that much oil was blown out...wouldn't it be all over the motor  
around the oil filler cap - or could it vaporize and not smell of burned  oil?


Rgds,


Allan Ballard
Mk1a

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:54 PM, _Carmods at aol.com_ (mailto:Carmods at aol.com)  
wrote:





Hi Allen,
 
Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289?  Your oil 
consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After  reinstalling 
them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart  after 2500 
miles. 
 
John Logan
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time, 
_allanballard at att.net_ (mailto:allanballard at att.net)   writes:

How  much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?

Is  zero the correct answer?

I may have a serious problem. I just drove  2,000 highway miles, mostly at 
65
to 70 miles an hour.

The 289  lost 31/2 quarts of oil.

No smoke, no stink, no puddles of  oil.

I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look  for.

Thanks in advance,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a  Tiger

From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Sep  7 13:47:47 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:47:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers]  Oil consumption
Message-ID: <17bde.88eecfb.3b99245c@aol.com>

Hi Allen,
 
Without baffles, the oil gets sucked into the intake manifold through the  
PVC tube and burned in the combustion chambers. If you remove the PVC tube 
just  after running the engine, you will see oil inside the tube. There 
should be  none.
 
I solved the rocker clearance problem by reinstalling the baffles closer to 
 the cover's inside surface, especially where the rockers interfered and  
installed an additional thick rubber gasket for more clearance.
 
I did some hammering to the sheet metal above the rocker cover for  more 
installation clearance. The extra rubber gasket is flexible so it can be  slid 
over the rocker cover and under the flange after the cover is in  place.
 
John Logan
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2011 3:22:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
allanballard at att.net writes:

John,


Yes, the baffles had to be removed for the covers to fit over the rockers  
that came with the aluminum heads...


But...if that much oil was blown out...wouldn't it be all over the motor  
around the oil filler cap - or could it vaporize and not smell of burned  oil?


Rgds,


Allan Ballard
Mk1a

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:54 PM, _Carmods at aol.com_ (mailto:Carmods at aol.com)  
wrote:





Hi Allen,
 
Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289?  Your oil 
consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After  reinstalling 
them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart  after 2500 
miles. 
 
John Logan
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time, 
_allanballard at att.net_ (mailto:allanballard at att.net)   writes:

How  much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?

Is  zero the correct answer?

I may have a serious problem. I just drove  2,000 highway miles, mostly at 
65
to 70 miles an hour.

The 289  lost 31/2 quarts of oil.

No smoke, no stink, no puddles of  oil.

I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look  for.

Thanks in advance,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a  Tiger

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Sep  7 13:54:17 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:54:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
Message-ID: <1c42c.63b23949.3b9925d1@aol.com>

The oil  is getting drawn into the intake through the PCV system and it's
getting  burned as part of the intake mixture. The only times when you might
notice  this is if you're idling and the wind is from behind you. On an F4B
intake,  you'd notice that the #4 plug is more prone to fouling because the 
PCV
is  plumbed into that intake runner.

Theo

On the subject of baffles and PVC's.  I have my  PVC connected, but on the 
oil filler cap I am using just a screened cap.  I  haven't noticed any 
misting because of this being an open system, but maybe over  time it will show 
up.  
 
My questions is:  is it possible to be getting an  exhaust smell because of 
one side being open? 
Oh, and no oil consumption with the baffles  removed.
Mark

From allanballard at att.net  Wed Sep  7 13:59:44 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:59:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
In-Reply-To: <00c701cc6d96$cbb2b3b0$63181b10$@net>
References: <151af.d98ca6.3b9917d4@aol.com>
	<C3F94851-A5EB-42D4-A69F-4E41C85DA7F4@att.net>
	<3739987B-1888-49B6-BD03-623423FACAC5@att.net>
	<00c701cc6d96$cbb2b3b0$63181b10$@net>
Message-ID: <2D1FA0C5-B32E-46CA-A3CD-676EB27E064E@att.net>

The Edelbrock aluminum heads came with no rockers. The guys at Summit selected
the rockers.

I don't think they are special other than able to survive 6,000 RPM, but they
are physically bigger than
stock.

Allan Ballard
MK1a


On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:46 PM, jim wrote:

> Hi Allan
>
> You mention that you have no baffles to clear the rockers... what type of
> rockers?
>  I know that my engine has 'rollers' with no baffles and 1/2" spacers under
> the cast Tiger covers... and no problems... BUT... I do remember in the
> specs that there are restrictors in the oil passages... I assume the
rollers
> need less oil ... and I can get away without the baffles...
> just a thought...
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:32 PM
> To: allanballard at att.net
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil consumption
>
> "How is your PCV system plumbed? If you don't have good baffles in the
valve
> covers, then you may end up sucking a lot of oil vapor into the intake
> manifold especially at high vacuum (i.e. highway cruise) conditions.
>
> Theo"
>
> Since I have *no* baffles this is where I'll start to look....
>
> Rgds,
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:22 PM, allanballard at att.net wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Yes, the baffles had to be removed for the covers to fit over the rockers
> that
>> came with the aluminum heads...
>>
>> But...if that much oil was blown out...wouldn't it be all over the motor
>> around the oil filler cap - or could it vaporize and not smell of burned
> oil?
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1a
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Carmods at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Allen,
>>>
>>> Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289? Your oil
>> consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After
> reinstalling
>> them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart after 2500
>> miles.
>>>
>>> John Logan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> allanballard at att.net writes:
>>> How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?
>>>
>>> Is zero the correct answer?
>>>
>>> I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000 highway miles, mostly at
>> 65
>>> to 70 miles an hour.
>>>
>>> The 289 lost 31/2 quarts of oil.
>>>
>>> No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.
>>>
>>> I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Allan Ballard
>>> Mk1a Tiger
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From mgman71 at comcast.net  Wed Sep  7 14:07:56 2011
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 20:07:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brake lines?
Message-ID: <2047131052.291903.1315426076949.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Hi again My question is. The steel brake line coming from the front of the car going to the rear goes to one end of the Rubber brake hose, there is a steel line going from the left wheel cylinder to the right wheel cylinder my question is where does the other end of the rubber brake hose connect?. Do I remove the bleeder from one of the wheel cylinders I do not remember I took it apart many years ago and can not find and diagrams anywhere. Thanks Again George Re 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Sep  7 14:08:30 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:08:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
In-Reply-To: <1c42c.63b23949.3b9925d1@aol.com>
References: <1c42c.63b23949.3b9925d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EDBB1D1D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I have the same setup, Mark. On the oil filler side, air is drawn into the
valve cover, so there should be little if any misting on that side unless you
have a lot of blowby due to worn valve guides and seals.

It may be that some rockers are more prone to spray the oil that gets pumped
through the pushrods... with the stock Ford rockers I had a problem until I
put the baffles back in.

Theo

From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: September 7, 2011 1:54 PM
To: Smit, Theo; allanballard at att.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil consumption



The oil is getting drawn into the intake through the PCV system and it's
getting burned as part of the intake mixture. The only times when you might
notice this is if you're idling and the wind is from behind you. On an F4B
intake, you'd notice that the #4 plug is more prone to fouling because the
PCV
is plumbed into that intake runner.

Theo
On the subject of baffles and PVC's.  I have my PVC connected, but on the oil
filler cap I am using just a screened cap.  I haven't noticed any misting
because of this being an open system, but maybe over time it will show up.

My questions is:  is it possible to be getting an exhaust smell because of one
side being open?
Oh, and no oil consumption with the baffles removed.
Mark



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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Sep  7 14:54:01 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:54:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
Message-ID: <1f1db.62760425.3b9933e9@aol.com>

Theo,
If oil is drawn into the oil filler side then why in  the original set up do
es the hose run from the filler cap to the air  cleaner?


In a message dated 9/7/2011 4:50:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:


I  have the same setup, Mark. On the oil filler side, air is drawn into the
valve  cover, so there should be little if any misting on that side unless
you have a  lot of blowby due to worn valve guides and seals.
It  may be that some rockers are more prone to spray the oil that gets
pumped  through the pushrodsb& with the stock Ford rockers I had a problem
until
I put  the baffles back in.
Theo



From: CoolVT at aol.com  [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: September 7, 2011 1:54  PM
To: Smit, Theo; allanballard at att.net
Cc:  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil  consumption






The  oil is getting drawn into the intake through the PCV system and  it's
getting burned as part of the intake mixture. The only times when  you might
notice this is if you're idling and the wind is from behind  you. On an F4B
intake, you'd notice that the #4 plug is more prone to  fouling because the
PCV
is plumbed into that intake  runner.

Theo

On  the subject of baffles and PVC's.  I have my PVC connected, but on the
oil filler cap I am using just a screened cap.  I haven't noticed any
misting because of this being an open system, but maybe over time it will show
up.



My  questions is:  is it possible to be getting an exhaust smell because of
 one side being open?

Oh,  and no oil consumption with the baffles removed.

Mark







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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Sep  7 15:05:36 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:05:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
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References: <151af.d98ca6.3b9917d4@aol.com><C3F94851-A5EB-42D4-A69F-4E41C85DA7F4@att.net><3739987B-1888-49B6-BD03-623423FACAC5@att.net><00c701cc6d96$cbb2b3b0$63181b10$@net>
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Message-ID: <2683130CD8F1454A84BF6D409DD754D7@Roscrea>

List
OK, I'm going to hear a very BIG groan on this one!  BUT here is what I did, 
and it has worked for about 18 years or so.  I have the CAT CLUB polished 
valve covers and AFR165 heads with Crane roller rockers, and, as we all 
know, there aren't any baffles and not much room.  I made a small piece of 
aluminum and poked a bunch of small holes (about the size of a small brad 
nail) and cupped it so it would curve over the PVC hole (on the inside).  It 
would kind of look like a toilet roll cardboard that was cut in half length 
wise, but not quite as long.  This is where you're going to groan.   I JB 
welded the two sides to the valve cover; so, now you have a half of a tunnel 
very close over the PVC hole (lengthwise with the valve cover).  I then bent 
the ends down a little so that the oil that is flying around inside doesn't 
have an easy path to the PVC valve outlet.  There is still enough openings 
all around so the PVC valve breathes fine. This cured my oil consumption.

Here is where the biggest groan will come - the aluminum that I used was a 
piece of a Coke can!

If you try this make sure the inside of the valve cover is SURGICALLY CLEAN 
where the JB Weld goes!!!

Jerry Christopherson
9473187



-----Original Message----- 
From: Allan Ballard
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:59 PM
To: jim
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil consumption

The Edelbrock aluminum heads came with no rockers. The guys at Summit 
selected
the rockers.

I don't think they are special other than able to survive 6,000 RPM, but 
they
are physically bigger than
stock.

Allan Ballard
MK1a


On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:46 PM, jim wrote:

> Hi Allan
>
> You mention that you have no baffles to clear the rockers... what type of
> rockers?
>  I know that my engine has 'rollers' with no baffles and 1/2" spacers 
> under
> the cast Tiger covers... and no problems... BUT... I do remember in the
> specs that there are restrictors in the oil passages... I assume the
rollers
> need less oil ... and I can get away without the baffles...
> just a thought...
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:32 PM
> To: allanballard at att.net
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil consumption
>
> "How is your PCV system plumbed? If you don't have good baffles in the
valve
> covers, then you may end up sucking a lot of oil vapor into the intake
> manifold especially at high vacuum (i.e. highway cruise) conditions.
>
> Theo"
>
> Since I have *no* baffles this is where I'll start to look....
>
> Rgds,
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:22 PM, allanballard at att.net wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Yes, the baffles had to be removed for the covers to fit over the rockers
> that
>> came with the aluminum heads...
>>
>> But...if that much oil was blown out...wouldn't it be all over the motor
>> around the oil filler cap - or could it vaporize and not smell of burned
> oil?
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1a
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Carmods at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Allen,
>>>
>>> Have you removed the baffles in the rocker covers of your 289? Your oil
>> consumption sounds like my crate 302 without the baffles. After
> reinstalling
>> them, the oil consumption has gone to less than 1/10 of a quart after 
>> 2500
>> miles.
>>>
>>> John Logan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/7/2011 12:48:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> allanballard at att.net writes:
>>> How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?
>>>
>>> Is zero the correct answer?
>>>
>>> I may have a serious problem. I just drove 2,000 highway miles, mostly 
>>> at
>> 65
>>> to 70 miles an hour.
>>>
>>> The 289 lost 31/2 quarts of oil.
>>>
>>> No smoke, no stink, no puddles of oil.
>>>
>>> I haven't gone under the car yet, not sure what to look for.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Allan Ballard
>>> Mk1a Tiger
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Sep  7 15:10:42 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:10:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
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References: <1f1db.62760425.3b9933e9@aol.com>
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Air is drawn in from the aircleaner through the small hose (now clean air) 
into the oil filler cap into the engine and ends up going out the PVC valve 
along with any blow by, then into the engine to be burned.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From: CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:54 PM
To: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil consumption

Theo,
If oil is drawn into the oil filler side then why in  the original set up do
es the hose run from the filler cap to the air  cleaner?


In a message dated 9/7/2011 4:50:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:


I  have the same setup, Mark. On the oil filler side, air is drawn into the
valve  cover, so there should be little if any misting on that side unless
you have a  lot of blowby due to worn valve guides and seals.
It  may be that some rockers are more prone to spray the oil that gets
pumped  through the pushrodsb& with the stock Ford rockers I had a problem
until
I put  the baffles back in.
Theo



From: CoolVT at aol.com  [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: September 7, 2011 1:54  PM
To: Smit, Theo; allanballard at att.net
Cc:  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil  consumption






The  oil is getting drawn into the intake through the PCV system and  it's
getting burned as part of the intake mixture. The only times when  you might
notice this is if you're idling and the wind is from behind  you. On an F4B
intake, you'd notice that the #4 plug is more prone to  fouling because the
PCV
is plumbed into that intake  runner.

Theo

On  the subject of baffles and PVC's.  I have my PVC connected, but on the
oil filler cap I am using just a screened cap.  I haven't noticed any
misting because of this being an open system, but maybe over time it will 
show
up.



My  questions is:  is it possible to be getting an exhaust smell because of
one side being open?

Oh,  and no oil consumption with the baffles removed.

Mark







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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Sep  7 15:19:14 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:19:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
Message-ID: <203e0.1f6cc3a8.3b9939d2@aol.com>

Thanks, now it all makes sense.
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2011 5:11:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net writes:

Air is  drawn in from the aircleaner through the small hose (now clean air) 
into  the oil filler cap into the engine and ends up going out the PVC 
valve  
along with any blow by, then into the engine to be burned.

Jerry  Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From:  CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:54 PM
To:  Theo.Smit at dynastream.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers]  Oil consumption

Theo,
If oil is drawn into the oil filler side then  why in  the original set up 
do
es the hose run from the filler cap to  the air  cleaner?


In a message dated 9/7/2011 4:50:48 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:


I   have the same setup, Mark. On the oil filler side, air is drawn into  
the
valve  cover, so there should be little if any misting on that  side unless
you have a  lot of blowby due to worn valve guides and  seals.
It  may be that some rockers are more prone to spray the oil  that gets
pumped  through the pushrodsb& with the stock Ford  rockers I had a problem
until
I put  the baffles back  in.
Theo



From: CoolVT at aol.com   [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: September 7, 2011 1:54  PM
To: Smit,  Theo; allanballard at att.net
Cc:  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re:  [Tigers] Oil  consumption






The  oil is  getting drawn into the intake through the PCV system and  it's
getting  burned as part of the intake mixture. The only times when  you  
might
notice this is if you're idling and the wind is from behind   you. On an F4B
intake, you'd notice that the #4 plug is more prone to   fouling because the
PCV
is plumbed into that intake   runner.

Theo

On  the subject of baffles and PVC's.  I  have my PVC connected, but on the
oil filler cap I am using just a screened  cap.  I haven't noticed any
misting because of this being an open  system, but maybe over time it will 
show
up.



My   questions is:  is it possible to be getting an exhaust smell because  
of
one side being open?

Oh,  and no oil consumption with the  baffles  removed.

Mark







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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Sep  7 15:29:21 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brake lines?
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The rubber hose should attach to a "tab" that is welded to the right side of 
the rear axle housing (in the back) then a hard line goes from there to the 
right brake assembly, and yes there is only one bleeder and it's on the 
drivers side.  Make sure the hard line from the rubber hose goes to the 
bottom hole (the top hole goes to the drivers side) that way all the bubbles 
from bleeding will go over to the drivers side to be expelled.

Hope this helps

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From: George Re
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:07 PM
To: Tigers
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brake lines?

Hi again My question is. The steel brake line coming from the front of the 
car going to the rear goes to one end of the Rubber brake hose, there is a 
steel line going from the left wheel cylinder to the right wheel cylinder my 
question is where does the other end of the rubber brake hose connect?. Do I 
remove the bleeder from one of the wheel cylinders I do not remember I took 
it apart many years ago and can not find and diagrams anywhere. Thanks Again 
George Re
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Sep  7 15:38:03 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:38:03 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket
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References: <4E66239D.3070602@mayfco.com>
	<1C4C702F8C1A432FBB157D21EB68CE60@ronpc1>
	<1315408618.89496.YahooMailNeo@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Yes, folk, I had it Wrong! Hard for me to believe, but, yes, it is so. 
The extra one I have came on the mexican block 302 I have and yes, when 
placed upon top of the one installed in ol' number 1136 it shows that 
the tiger bracket is aft by at least the thickness of teh mounting 
bosses for the generator. I see how it could be made to work simply but 
not for refurb or restoration.

My bad, guys..

no supper tonight...

mayf

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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 9/7/2011 8:16 AM, Bill Martin wrote:
> I have a bin full of Tiger and regular Ford Generator brackets the 
> spacing is different
>  on a Tiger. I also have exact reproduction Mark 2 alternator 
> brackets. I got tired of
>  the crap that was available to put an alternator on a Tiger so had a 
> pattern made then
>  had them cast and precision machined. They are made of ZA-12 Zinc 
> alloy which has
>  a higher tensile strength than 40kpsi cast Iron. They are expensive 
> to make but fit right
>  look right and a Ford alternator bolts right up. Sorry bout the sales 
> pitch but just wanted
>  everyone to know that there is an alternative alternator bracket out 
> there. Email me and
>  I can send you pics. Working on a new web presence as the old one 
> died and went
>  away.
> Bill Martin
> Rootes Group Depot
> 650-364-1965

From crbernardino at mac.com  Wed Sep  7 15:38:01 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
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References: <203e0.1f6cc3a8.3b9939d2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1B3D2A88-E6D0-425D-8CF0-13DAE1B012BE@mac.com>

I noticed that other cars, like a VW Beetle there is an external vent sump designed to catch this aerosolized oil. Would that work in this case?
Rob

C. Robert Bernardino MD FACS
Oculoplastics and Aesthetic Surgery
Vantage Eye Center
Monterey, CA
www.vantageeye.com

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:19 PM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks, now it all makes sense.
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/7/2011 5:11:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net writes:
> 
> Air is  drawn in from the aircleaner through the small hose (now clean air) 
> into  the oil filler cap into the engine and ends up going out the PVC 
> valve  
> along with any blow by, then into the engine to be burned.
> 
> Jerry  Christopherson
> 9473187
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From:  CoolVT at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:54 PM
> To:  Theo.Smit at dynastream.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers]  Oil consumption
> 
> Theo,
> If oil is drawn into the oil filler side then  why in  the original set up 
> do
> es the hose run from the filler cap to  the air  cleaner?
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/7/2011 4:50:48 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
> Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:
> 
> 
> I   have the same setup, Mark. On the oil filler side, air is drawn into  
> the
> valve  cover, so there should be little if any misting on that  side unless
> you have a  lot of blowby due to worn valve guides and  seals.
> It  may be that some rockers are more prone to spray the oil  that gets
> pumped  through the pushrodsb& with the stock Ford  rockers I had a problem
> until
> I put  the baffles back  in.
> Theo
> 
> 
> 
> From: CoolVT at aol.com   [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
> Sent: September 7, 2011 1:54  PM
> To: Smit,  Theo; allanballard at att.net
> Cc:  tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re:  [Tigers] Oil  consumption
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The  oil is  getting drawn into the intake through the PCV system and  it's
> getting  burned as part of the intake mixture. The only times when  you  
> might
> notice this is if you're idling and the wind is from behind   you. On an F4B
> intake, you'd notice that the #4 plug is more prone to   fouling because the
> PCV
> is plumbed into that intake   runner.
> 
> Theo
> 
> On  the subject of baffles and PVC's.  I  have my PVC connected, but on the
> oil filler cap I am using just a screened  cap.  I haven't noticed any
> misting because of this being an open  system, but maybe over time it will 
> show
> up.
> 
> 
> 
> My   questions is:  is it possible to be getting an exhaust smell because  
> of
> one side being open?
> 
> Oh,  and no oil consumption with the  baffles  removed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mgman71 at comcast.net  Wed Sep  7 16:01:21 2011
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 22:01:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] rear brake line
Message-ID: <921147685.298361.1315432881130.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Pete thanks for the INFO. George 




----- Original Message ----- 

From: Peter Stanisavljevich 

Sent: 09/07/11 04:18 PM 

To: George Re 

Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rear Brake lines? 


George, 







Correct. British engineering at its finest! 







ps 







From: George Re [mailto: mgman71 at usa.com ] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM 
To: Peter Stanisavljevich 
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rear Brake lines? 







Peter: 

Just so i am clear then you only bleed the rear wheels from the left cylinder? correct. Thanks george 







----- Original Message ----- 



From: Peter Stanisavljevich 



Sent: 09/07/11 04:13 PM 



To: George Re 



Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rear Brake lines? 











George, 





To the right wheel cylinder. 





ps 





-----Original Message----- 


From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 


[mailto: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of George Re 


Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:08 PM 


To: Tigers 


Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brake lines? 





Hi again My question is. The steel brake line coming from the front of 


the car going to the rear goes to one end of the Rubber brake hose, 


there is a steel line going from the left wheel cylinder to the right 


wheel cylinder my question is where does the other end of the rubber 


brake hose connect?. Do I remove the bleeder from one of the wheel 


cylinders I do not remember I took it apart many years ago and can not 


find and diagrams anywhere. Thanks Again George Re 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Sep  7 16:47:04 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:47:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
References: <1C4C702F8C1A432FBB157D21EB68CE60@ronpc1>
	<C43644FD-94D6-4325-83C2-4FF723B8AB5A@att.net>
Message-ID: <0D8CE1EA405C4477BE28ABB3E955D13A@student2>

>>>How much oil loss is normal for a fresh 260 - 289 every 3,000 miles?<<<

Allan, how "fresh" is fresh? A new motor, depending on ring seal, will 
consume oil. Likely not as much as you have lost, but it can be a 
contributing factor.  Given the replies it seems that the baffle issue is 
the greater problem.

I had a '78 Civic that never smoked or leaked and went through a Qt. every 
50 miles.  I re-ringed it and through mis-information must have installed 
the rings upside down. It then smoked like crazy but consumption improved to 
a Qt. every 1,000 miles. Go figure.

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Sep  7 17:16:50 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:16:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
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	<1B3D2A88-E6D0-425D-8CF0-13DAE1B012BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EB4DB00273884DF9B8A20F548AADBDD1@Roscrea>

Anything that catches the droplets of oil from being sucked up into the PVC 
valve would work.  The problem is the tight area in the valve cover limits 
what can be put in there.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rob Bernardino
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:38 PM
To: CoolVT at aol.com
Cc: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net ; Theo.Smit at dynastream.com ; 
tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil consumption

I noticed that other cars, like a VW Beetle there is an external vent sump 
designed to catch this aerosolized oil. Would that work in this case?
Rob

C. Robert Bernardino MD FACS
Oculoplastics and Aesthetic Surgery
Vantage Eye Center
Monterey, CA
www.vantageeye.com

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:19 PM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks, now it all makes sense.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/7/2011 5:11:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net writes:
>
> Air is  drawn in from the aircleaner through the small hose (now clean 
> air)
> into  the oil filler cap into the engine and ends up going out the PVC
> valve
> along with any blow by, then into the engine to be burned.
>
> Jerry  Christopherson
> 9473187
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From:  CoolVT at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:54 PM
> To:  Theo.Smit at dynastream.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers]  Oil consumption
>
> Theo,
> If oil is drawn into the oil filler side then  why in  the original set up
> do
> es the hose run from the filler cap to  the air  cleaner?
>
>
> In a message dated 9/7/2011 4:50:48 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
> Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:
>
>
> I   have the same setup, Mark. On the oil filler side, air is drawn into
> the
> valve  cover, so there should be little if any misting on that  side 
> unless
> you have a  lot of blowby due to worn valve guides and  seals.
> It  may be that some rockers are more prone to spray the oil  that gets
> pumped  through the pushrodsb& with the stock Ford  rockers I had a 
> problem
> until
> I put  the baffles back  in.
> Theo
>
>
>
> From: CoolVT at aol.com   [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
> Sent: September 7, 2011 1:54  PM
> To: Smit,  Theo; allanballard at att.net
> Cc:  tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re:  [Tigers] Oil  consumption
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The  oil is  getting drawn into the intake through the PCV system and 
> it's
> getting  burned as part of the intake mixture. The only times when  you
> might
> notice this is if you're idling and the wind is from behind   you. On an 
> F4B
> intake, you'd notice that the #4 plug is more prone to   fouling because 
> the
> PCV
> is plumbed into that intake   runner.
>
> Theo
>
> On  the subject of baffles and PVC's.  I  have my PVC connected, but on 
> the
> oil filler cap I am using just a screened  cap.  I haven't noticed any
> misting because of this being an open  system, but maybe over time it will
> show
> up.
>
>
>
> My   questions is:  is it possible to be getting an exhaust smell because
> of
> one side being open?
>
> Oh,  and no oil consumption with the  baffles  removed.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep  8 05:58:25 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:58:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] rear brake line
In-Reply-To: <921147685.298361.1315432881130.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0B9DFA0882A447FD9EBCF4A6137C446B@ronpc1>

George
	The only place there is a diagram of this system is in the Alpine
Parts List, Section Q.

This is online at Tigers United as are several other sections of the Alpine
Parts List.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_part_
list.asp


Ron Fraser

From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Sep  8 08:50:15 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:50:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil consumption
Message-ID: <12f4a.6b982118.3b9a3027@aol.com>

Hi Jerry,
 
That looks like a good solution but I would have recommended using a Pepsi  
can.
 
John Logan
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2011 5:07:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net writes:

Here is  where the biggest groan will come - the aluminum that I used was a 
piece  of a Coke can!

If you try this make sure the inside of the valve cover  is SURGICALLY 
CLEAN 
where the JB Weld goes!!!

Jerry  Christopherson
9473187

From harryb at elams.org  Thu Sep  8 11:03:54 2011
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry Elam)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:03:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
Message-ID: <4E68F57A.5050403@elams.org>

Upside down on the cylinder side of the bracket is "10039-B." I tried to confirm looking at B38200471's bracket but couldn't see between the bracket and head. I'm not qualified to speak to your 2nd query but it would not bother me personally.

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:tigers-

bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 AM
To:tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket


Just for curiosity, what is the casting or part number on the piece?
And here is a serious question: If this comes from a MK1A  can it be used
to restore a MK1 and still retain provenance?

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/6/2011 6:27 AM, Harry Elam wrote:

>> I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs a
>> known original.
>>
>> Harry Elam
>> B382000471

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep  8 18:19:41 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 20:19:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <4E68F57A.5050403@elams.org>
Message-ID: <CABBB2CE0A804C3899F12CD3B1CFFC3A@ronpc1>

Harry
	10039 is the base number for all Ford Generator or Alternator
brackets.   The prefix and the suffix are what give the number meaning.

	I'm surprise you could see any number on the bracket and pleased
too.   I don't think the Tiger generator bracket has a casting number but if
it does that would be nice to know the full number.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Harry Elam
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:04 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket


Upside down on the cylinder side of the bracket is "10039-B." I tried to
confirm looking at B38200471's bracket but couldn't see between the bracket
and head. I'm not qualified to speak to your 2nd query but it would not
bother me personally.

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:tigers-

bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 AM To:tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket


Just for curiosity, what is the casting or part number on the piece? And
here is a serious question: If this comes from a MK1A  can it be used to
restore a MK1 and still retain provenance?

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/6/2011 6:27 AM, Harry Elam wrote:

>> I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs
>> a known original.
>>
>> Harry Elam
>> B382000471
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From genepadgett at comcast.net  Thu Sep  8 19:23:03 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 01:23:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <CABBB2CE0A804C3899F12CD3B1CFFC3A@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <470020954.395348.1315531383325.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

For what it is worth, there are no part numbers cast intoB  my Tiger generator
bracket, on any side.



Gene



----- Original Message -----


From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: harryb at elams.org, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 7:19:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket

Harry
B B B B B B B B 10039 is the base number for all Ford Generator or Alternator
brackets. B  The prefix and the suffix are what give the number meaning.

B B B B B B B B I'm surprise you could see any number on the bracket and
pleased
too. B  I don't think the Tiger generator bracket has a casting number but if
it does that would be nice to know the full number.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Harry Elam
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:04 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket


Upside down on the cylinder side of the bracket is "10039-B." I tried to
confirm looking at B38200471's bracket but couldn't see between the bracket
and head. I'm not qualified to speak to your 2nd query but it would not
bother me personally.

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net B [mailto:tigers-

bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 AM To:tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket


Just for curiosity, what is the casting or part number on the piece? And
here is a serious question: If this comes from a MK1A B can it be used to
restore a MK1 and still retain provenance?

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/6/2011 6:27 AM, Harry Elam wrote:

>> I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs
>> a known original.
>>
>> Harry Elam
>> B382000471
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Sep  9 11:35:26 2011
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:35:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Powertune 7 inch brake servo
Message-ID: <004001cc6f16$dd177f10$97467d30$@rr.com>

I just replaced a Lockheed 5-inch brake servo with the 7-inch "Powertune"
brand item which looks identical to Lockheed. Problem is that it seems to
stick, with an abrupt "catch" feeling on-and off-brake. Sometimes the brakes
drag slightly. I have confirmed that system is completely bled (no such
problem if vacuum host disconnected) .  Vacuum non-return valve working OK.
Rest of brake system in good shape. I see some discussion on other Brit car
sites about this, mostly regarding the air valve. Anybody? 

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Fri Sep  9 18:23:00 2011
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 20:23:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <470020954.395348.1315531383325.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <CABBB2CE0A804C3899F12CD3B1CFFC3A@ronpc1>
	<470020954.395348.1315531383325.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A58D0374492F43F2B8AACCF4F0EB2747@owner9967ddf8c>

Ron,  to further add to the confusion.....the bracket off B9471769 has only
a triangle and a 2 stamped on it.  Over the last couple of days, I dipped it
and cleaned many coats of black paint off to find what appears to be a sand
cast texture with no other marks.  Robin Young

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of genepadgett at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:23 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket

For what it is worth, there are no part numbers cast intoB  my Tiger
generator
bracket, on any side.



Gene



----- Original Message -----


From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: harryb at elams.org, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 7:19:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket

Harry
B B B B B B B B 10039 is the base number for all Ford Generator or
Alternator
brackets. B  The prefix and the suffix are what give the number meaning.

B B B B B B B B I'm surprise you could see any number on the bracket and
pleased
too. B  I don't think the Tiger generator bracket has a casting number but
if
it does that would be nice to know the full number.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Harry Elam
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:04 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket


Upside down on the cylinder side of the bracket is "10039-B." I tried to
confirm looking at B38200471's bracket but couldn't see between the bracket
and head. I'm not qualified to speak to your 2nd query but it would not
bother me personally.

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net B [mailto:tigers-

bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 AM To:tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger generator bracket


Just for curiosity, what is the casting or part number on the piece? And
here is a serious question: If this comes from a MK1A B can it be used to
restore a MK1 and still retain provenance?

drmayf
---------------------------------
world's fastest sunbeam. period.
Flying mile average: 204.913 mph
Top Speed: 210.779 mph


On 9/6/2011 6:27 AM, Harry Elam wrote:

>> I have the generator bracket from B382002027, if someone still needs
>> a known original.
>>
>> Harry Elam
>> B382000471
_______________________________________________

From crbernardino at mac.com  Sat Sep 10 00:10:06 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 23:10:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice
Message-ID: <DADF6403-04B5-4B97-96FC-058857C1E3C9@mac.com>

Dear Tiger's List,
Just got a 15 gallon fuel cell for the Tiger. As you may recall will be using the car for track stuff. Any advice on how/where to run the vent tube? Or will a tip over valve suffice? This car won't be raced but tracked only, so no sanctioning body issues. 
Rob


Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Sep 10 06:10:59 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:10:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <A58D0374492F43F2B8AACCF4F0EB2747@owner9967ddf8c>
Message-ID: <4AE3CD1A4A504114A47EE509DC555726@ronpc1>

Robin
	I don't think there is any confusion; we are just seeking
information about this part.

	I have stated the Tiger generator bracket was ordered by the Ford
Industrial Division and carries a C4JZ part number in the Parts List.   It
is a Tiger specific part with no casting number.  The offset is different
from the stock Ford part to line up the fan belt on the Tiger 260 engine.
The pulleys on the Tiger 260 engine also carry a C4JZ part number which
makes them Tiger specific too.

	This does not mean that a stock Ford Generator bracket could not
work but you would need to space the generator to the rear around 3/4" to
line up the fan belt.   You would also need to look for any hood clearance
issues with the stock Ford bracket.

The casting number for the stock Ford generator bracket is C2OE-10039-H.  If
anyone has a casting number on their Tiger generator bracket; I just ask
that you report the full number and I will investigate that number as best
I'm able.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: RObin Young [mailto:robin02 at mindspring.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:23 PM
To: genepadgett at comcast.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Generator bracket


Ron,  to further add to the confusion.....the bracket off B9471769 has only
a triangle and a 2 stamped on it.  Over the last couple of days, I dipped it
and cleaned many coats of black paint off to find what appears to be a sand
cast texture with no other marks.  Robin Young

From sganz at pacbell.net  Sat Sep 10 12:02:02 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:02:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice
In-Reply-To: <DADF6403-04B5-4B97-96FC-058857C1E3C9@mac.com>
References: <DADF6403-04B5-4B97-96FC-058857C1E3C9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1315677722.15063.YahooMailRC@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rob -

See if you fuel cell has the check valve built in (Some do). If so then it's 
just a matter of plumbing the line out of the car in a safe ventable area (i.e. 
not near hot exhaust). Also you might want to put a filter over the line or some 
fuel resistant mesh to keep dirt and crud from getting into the vent line. 
Typically the vent line will be below the bottom of the cell if you mount the 
cell in the trunk and that also is a good plan, as well as back further in the 
chassis. 


Think of how this all will work if you car was upside down. Also one other thing 
you can do is from the cell vent, go up with the hose before you go down. 
Sometimes with a full cell you can get slosh out of the vent if the check valve 
is not so good. Another way to think of it is their is 2 modes of operation, 
rightside up and upsided down, both modes of operation have some specific things 
you can do to make operation safer!

Shoot a picture of the Cell if you can, I'm going to be doing that work in my 
tiger and have not looked at what is available, so if you do have a pic of the 
cell or a model I would love to see it.

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Rob Bernardino <crbernardino at mac.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, September 9, 2011 11:10:06 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice

Dear Tiger's List,
Just got a 15 gallon fuel cell for the Tiger. As you may recall will be using 
the car for track stuff. Any advice on how/where to run the vent tube? Or will a 
tip over valve suffice? This car won't be raced but tracked only, so no 
sanctioning body issues. 

Rob


Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Sep 10 13:04:09 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice
References: <DADF6403-04B5-4B97-96FC-058857C1E3C9@mac.com>
	<1315677722.15063.YahooMailRC@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60861873BD1547799F0AAC535F646455@student2>

I agree with Sandy. Put the line in an upward arc going below the fuel cell 
at the end. Then, if the car is ever upside down (hopefully never), the fuel 
level will be below the vent opening with the fluid acting similar to water 
in a sink trap.

Tom


> Rob -
>
> See if you fuel cell has the check valve built in (Some do). If so then 
> it's
> just a matter of plumbing the line out of the car in a safe ventable area 
> (i.e.
> not near hot exhaust). Also you might want to put a filter over the line 
> or some
> fuel resistant mesh to keep dirt and crud from getting into the vent line.
> Typically the vent line will be below the bottom of the cell if you mount 
> the
> cell in the trunk and that also is a good plan, as well as back further in 
> the
> chassis.
>
>
> Think of how this all will work if you car was upside down. Also one other 
> thing
> you can do is from the cell vent, go up with the hose before you go down.
> Sometimes with a full cell you can get slosh out of the vent if the check 
> valve
> is not so good. Another way to think of it is their is 2 modes of 
> operation,
> rightside up and upsided down, both modes of operation have some specific 
> things
> you can do to make operation safer!
>
> Shoot a picture of the Cell if you can, I'm going to be doing that work in 
> my
> tiger and have not looked at what is available, so if you do have a pic of 
> the
> cell or a model I would love to see it.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rob Bernardino <crbernardino at mac.com>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Fri, September 9, 2011 11:10:06 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice
>
> Dear Tiger's List,
> Just got a 15 gallon fuel cell for the Tiger. As you may recall will be 
> using
> the car for track stuff. Any advice on how/where to run the vent tube? Or 
> will a
> tip over valve suffice? This car won't be raced but tracked only, so no
> sanctioning body issues.
>
> Rob
>
>
> Rob in Carmel, CA
> 1966 Mk1A Tiger
> B382000262 LRXFE
> JAL660245
> Color Code 39: Carnival Red
> TAC# 0519
> _______________________________________________
>
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Sat Sep 10 13:52:17 2011
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:52:17 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <4AE3CD1A4A504114A47EE509DC555726@ronpc1>
References: <A58D0374492F43F2B8AACCF4F0EB2747@owner9967ddf8c>
	<4AE3CD1A4A504114A47EE509DC555726@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <000301cc6ff3$254337c0$6fc9a740$@net>

I might be stating the obvious, but the standard Ford generator bracket has
a rectangle or square (depending on year) opening cut in it to facilitate
the dipstick.  The Tiger generator bracket has no such hole, with the
dipstick attached to the front of the Tiger generator bracket.

Kirk

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:11 AM
To: 'RObin Young'; genepadgett at comcast.net
Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket

Robin
	I don't think there is any confusion; we are just seeking
information about this part.

	I have stated the Tiger generator bracket was ordered by the Ford
Industrial Division and carries a C4JZ part number in the Parts List.   It
is a Tiger specific part with no casting number.  The offset is different
from the stock Ford part to line up the fan belt on the Tiger 260 engine.
The pulleys on the Tiger 260 engine also carry a C4JZ part number which
makes them Tiger specific too.

	This does not mean that a stock Ford Generator bracket could not
work but you would need to space the generator to the rear around 3/4" to
line up the fan belt.   You would also need to look for any hood clearance
issues with the stock Ford bracket.

The casting number for the stock Ford generator bracket is C2OE-10039-H.  If
anyone has a casting number on their Tiger generator bracket; I just ask
that you report the full number and I will investigate that number as best
I'm able.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: RObin Young [mailto:robin02 at mindspring.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:23 PM
To: genepadgett at comcast.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Generator bracket


Ron,  to further add to the confusion.....the bracket off B9471769 has only
a triangle and a 2 stamped on it.  Over the last couple of days, I dipped it
and cleaned many coats of black paint off to find what appears to be a sand
cast texture with no other marks.  Robin Young
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Sep 10 14:54:12 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:54:12 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
References: <A58D0374492F43F2B8AACCF4F0EB2747@owner9967ddf8c>
	<4AE3CD1A4A504114A47EE509DC555726@ronpc1>
	<000301cc6ff3$254337c0$6fc9a740$@net>
Message-ID: <684FEEAFE3A247A7ABA68C578EF00433@student2>

I looked at my generator bracket and as stated there was no number.  There 
was a slightly raise oval area that looked like it might have been the place 
to put it... but, no.  Also, there was a tapped in pin on my bracket to hold 
"something" - just curious.
Tom


>I might be stating the obvious, but the standard Ford generator bracket has
> a rectangle or square (depending on year) opening cut in it to facilitate
> the dipstick.  The Tiger generator bracket has no such hole, with the
> dipstick attached to the front of the Tiger generator bracket.
>
> Kirk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:11 AM
> To: 'RObin Young'; genepadgett at comcast.net
> Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket
>
> Robin
> I don't think there is any confusion; we are just seeking
> information about this part.
>
> I have stated the Tiger generator bracket was ordered by the Ford
> Industrial Division and carries a C4JZ part number in the Parts List.   It
> is a Tiger specific part with no casting number.  The offset is different
> from the stock Ford part to line up the fan belt on the Tiger 260 engine.
> The pulleys on the Tiger 260 engine also carry a C4JZ part number which
> makes them Tiger specific too.
>
> This does not mean that a stock Ford Generator bracket could not
> work but you would need to space the generator to the rear around 3/4" to
> line up the fan belt.   You would also need to look for any hood clearance
> issues with the stock Ford bracket.
>
> The casting number for the stock Ford generator bracket is C2OE-10039-H. 
> If
> anyone has a casting number on their Tiger generator bracket; I just ask
> that you report the full number and I will investigate that number as best
> I'm able.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RObin Young [mailto:robin02 at mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:23 PM
> To: genepadgett at comcast.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Generator bracket
>
>
> Ron,  to further add to the confusion.....the bracket off B9471769 has 
> only
> a triangle and a 2 stamped on it.  Over the last couple of days, I dipped 
> it
> and cleaned many coats of black paint off to find what appears to be a 
> sand
> cast texture with no other marks.  Robin Young
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 10 16:35:39 2011
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:35:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <684FEEAFE3A247A7ABA68C578EF00433@student2>
References: <A58D0374492F43F2B8AACCF4F0EB2747@owner9967ddf8c>
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	<000301cc6ff3$254337c0$6fc9a740$@net>
	<684FEEAFE3A247A7ABA68C578EF00433@student2>
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I have a spare generator bracket so I took a look at it.  On the back side is
molded an underscored delta (triangle) followed by a "2".  Below that is
"10039-B".The tapped hole on the top of the bracket is where the clamp for the
heater hose (coming out of the water pump) attaches.

Will Seay - 382001570
wseay at embarqmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 4:54 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket

I looked at my generator bracket and as stated there was no number.  There 
was a slightly raise oval area that looked like it might have been the place 
to put it... but, no.  Also, there was a tapped in pin on my bracket to hold 
"something" - just curious.
Tom


>I might be stating the obvious, but the standard Ford generator bracket has
> a rectangle or square (depending on year) opening cut in it to facilitate
> the dipstick.  The Tiger generator bracket has no such hole, with the
> dipstick attached to the front of the Tiger generator bracket.
>
> Kirk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:11 AM
> To: 'RObin Young'; genepadgett at comcast.net
> Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket
>
> Robin
> I don't think there is any confusion; we are just seeking
> information about this part.
>
> I have stated the Tiger generator bracket was ordered by the Ford
> Industrial Division and carries a C4JZ part number in the Parts List.   It
> is a Tiger specific part with no casting number.  The offset is different
> from the stock Ford part to line up the fan belt on the Tiger 260 engine.
> The pulleys on the Tiger 260 engine also carry a C4JZ part number which
> makes them Tiger specific too.
>
> This does not mean that a stock Ford Generator bracket could not
> work but you would need to space the generator to the rear around 3/4" to
> line up the fan belt.   You would also need to look for any hood clearance
> issues with the stock Ford bracket.
>
> The casting number for the stock Ford generator bracket is C2OE-10039-H. 
> If
> anyone has a casting number on their Tiger generator bracket; I just ask
> that you report the full number and I will investigate that number as best
> I'm able.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RObin Young [mailto:robin02 at mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:23 PM
> To: genepadgett at comcast.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Generator bracket
>
>
> Ron,  to further add to the confusion.....the bracket off B9471769 has 
> only
> a triangle and a 2 stamped on it.  Over the last couple of days, I dipped 
> it
> and cleaned many coats of black paint off to find what appears to be a 
> sand
> cast texture with no other marks.  Robin Young
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 16:38:26 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:38:26 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice
In-Reply-To: <DADF6403-04B5-4B97-96FC-058857C1E3C9@mac.com>
References: <DADF6403-04B5-4B97-96FC-058857C1E3C9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAET8snUgEeTcPXuW3-9q9WP_sSpAsnUE-ci9xDBnVLTWuLPhUw@mail.gmail.com>

I have as vent line as described, arcing in a loop and gogin through the
boort floor, for pics;

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2325189760054462410qZqNKT

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2041654740054462410EAbcLy



On 10 September 2011 16:10, Rob Bernardino <crbernardino at mac.com> wrote:

> Dear Tiger's List,
> Just got a 15 gallon fuel cell for the Tiger. As you may recall will be
> using the car for track stuff. Any advice on how/where to run the vent tube?
> Or will a tip over valve suffice? This car won't be raced but tracked only,
> so no sanctioning body issues.
> Rob
>
>
> Rob in Carmel, CA
> 1966 Mk1A Tiger
> B382000262 LRXFE
> JAL660245
> Color Code 39: Carnival Red
> TAC# 0519
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 16:49:01 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:49:01 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Historic events
Message-ID: <CAET8snU97KSzn_nVhCnb6+gQDe=dHywD1=VbiahMq4C09Hgh0Q@mail.gmail.com>

The list has been so quiet that i had forgotten to post links to some of the
winter events down here... for those still getting the mails:

2011 british and european show:
http://rides.webshots.com/album/580001509NPnZsI

Winton historic race meet:
http://rides.webshots.com/album/580735593yMZJJL


High street show:
http://rides.webshots.com/album/580821305DXDgxm

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Sep 10 17:17:39 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:17:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice
In-Reply-To: <60861873BD1547799F0AAC535F646455@student2>
References: <DADF6403-04B5-4B97-96FC-058857C1E3C9@mac.com>
	<1315677722.15063.YahooMailRC@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<60861873BD1547799F0AAC535F646455@student2>
Message-ID: <4E6BF013.7000402@mayfco.com>

To all...I suggest making a couple of full loops with the vent hose. A 
roll over makes more than one roll and fuel can come out if more that 
one flop happens.  SCTA rule.

mayf

______________________________
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204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 9/10/2011 12:04 PM, Thomas Witt wrote:
> I agree with Sandy. Put the line in an upward arc going below the fuel 
> cell at the end. Then, if the car is ever upside down (hopefully 
> never), the fuel level will be below the vent opening with the fluid 
> acting similar to water in a sink trap.
>
> Tom
>
>
>> Rob -
>>
>> See if you fuel cell has the check valve built in (Some do). If so 
>> then it's
>> just a matter of plumbing the line out of the car in a safe ventable 
>> area (i.e.
>> not near hot exhaust). Also you might want to put a filter over the 
>> line or some
>> fuel resistant mesh to keep dirt and crud from getting into the vent 
>> line.
>> Typically the vent line will be below the bottom of the cell if you 
>> mount the
>> cell in the trunk and that also is a good plan, as well as back 
>> further in the
>> chassis.
>>
>>
>> Think of how this all will work if you car was upside down. Also one 
>> other thing
>> you can do is from the cell vent, go up with the hose before you go 
>> down.
>> Sometimes with a full cell you can get slosh out of the vent if the 
>> check valve
>> is not so good. Another way to think of it is their is 2 modes of 
>> operation,
>> rightside up and upsided down, both modes of operation have some 
>> specific things
>> you can do to make operation safer!
>>
>> Shoot a picture of the Cell if you can, I'm going to be doing that 
>> work in my
>> tiger and have not looked at what is available, so if you do have a 
>> pic of the
>> cell or a model I would love to see it.
>>
>> Sandy
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Rob Bernardino <crbernardino at mac.com>
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Fri, September 9, 2011 11:10:06 PM
>> Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice
>>
>> Dear Tiger's List,
>> Just got a 15 gallon fuel cell for the Tiger. As you may recall will 
>> be using
>> the car for track stuff. Any advice on how/where to run the vent 
>> tube? Or will a
>> tip over valve suffice? This car won't be raced but tracked only, so no
>> sanctioning body issues.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> Rob in Carmel, CA
>> 1966 Mk1A Tiger
>> B382000262 LRXFE
>> JAL660245
>> Color Code 39: Carnival Red
>> TAC# 0519
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Sep 10 17:20:07 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:20:07 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <000301cc6ff3$254337c0$6fc9a740$@net>
References: <A58D0374492F43F2B8AACCF4F0EB2747@owner9967ddf8c>
	<4AE3CD1A4A504114A47EE509DC555726@ronpc1>
	<000301cc6ff3$254337c0$6fc9a740$@net>
Message-ID: <4E6BF0A7.7060500@mayfco.com>

Well the one that was on teh 302 I picked up definitely has the square 
but the dip stick certainly had nothing to do with that. Instead, there 
is a small threaded boss lower down that the tang or bracket on the 
dipstick fastened to. Same place where my Tiger stick was fastened.

mayf

______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 9/10/2011 12:52 PM, Kirk Smith wrote:
> I might be stating the obvious, but the standard Ford generator bracket has
> a rectangle or square (depending on year) opening cut in it to facilitate
> the dipstick.  The Tiger generator bracket has no such hole, with the
> dipstick attached to the front of the Tiger generator bracket.
>
> Kirk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:11 AM
> To: 'RObin Young'; genepadgett at comcast.net
> Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket
>
> Robin
> 	I don't think there is any confusion; we are just seeking
> information about this part.
>
> 	I have stated the Tiger generator bracket was ordered by the Ford
> Industrial Division and carries a C4JZ part number in the Parts List.   It
> is a Tiger specific part with no casting number.  The offset is different
> from the stock Ford part to line up the fan belt on the Tiger 260 engine.
> The pulleys on the Tiger 260 engine also carry a C4JZ part number which
> makes them Tiger specific too.
>
> 	This does not mean that a stock Ford Generator bracket could not
> work but you would need to space the generator to the rear around 3/4" to
> line up the fan belt.   You would also need to look for any hood clearance
> issues with the stock Ford bracket.
>
> The casting number for the stock Ford generator bracket is C2OE-10039-H.  If
> anyone has a casting number on their Tiger generator bracket; I just ask
> that you report the full number and I will investigate that number as best
> I'm able.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RObin Young [mailto:robin02 at mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:23 PM
> To: genepadgett at comcast.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc: harryb at elams.org; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Generator bracket
>
>
> Ron,  to further add to the confusion.....the bracket off B9471769 has only
> a triangle and a 2 stamped on it.  Over the last couple of days, I dipped it
> and cleaned many coats of black paint off to find what appears to be a sand
> cast texture with no other marks.  Robin Young
> _______________________________________________
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Sep 10 17:23:41 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:23:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator bracket
In-Reply-To: <684FEEAFE3A247A7ABA68C578EF00433@student2>
Message-ID: <73EE8C2C4746486C952B5310713A78FF@ronpc1>

Tom
	The tapped hole is for a clamp on the heater hose going to the carb
choke heater bracket and then to the "T" for the heater core and carb
spacer.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 4:54 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator bracket


I looked at my generator bracket and as stated there was no number.  There
was a slightly raise oval area that looked like it might have been the place

to put it... but, no.  Also, there was a tapped in pin on my bracket to hold

"something" - just curious.
Tom

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Sep 10 15:51:42 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:51:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gen bracket numbers
Message-ID: <4e6bdbee.6dcb.0@thecia.net>

Maybe this has already been covered, but...

According to the Jan. 1965 Tiger supplement to the parts catalogue, Tiger Mark
I's with VIN's up to B9471618 used Ford part number C4JZ-10039-A. Cars with
VIN's starting with 
B9471619 used Ford part number C4JZ-10039-B. Again, this information was only
good as of Jan. 1965, so it may not be 100% applicable to Mark IA's. My 1968
edition of the parts catalogue doesn't show Ford part numbers for engine parts,
only Rootes numbers.

As for my Mk 1A (B382000048LRXFE), I got it with no engine, but the original
rocker covers, and a generator bracket. The bracket is cast with the number
C20E-10039-H. I can check the online Ford catalogue on Monday to see what that
engineering number crosses to.

From scattt at verizon.net  Sat Sep 10 19:49:51 2011
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:49:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] CRANK PULLEY
References: <4e6bdbee.6dcb.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <5D9DC0CFE8C849F9B784DCD76600A664@homef2683adebd>

Does anyone know of a source for a crank pulley to fit a Tiger that will 
have the correct spacing for the generator?

From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com  Sun Sep 11 08:53:51 2011
From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (Ken Tisdale)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:53:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter hoses
Message-ID: <4E6CCB7F.6000301@ix.netcom.com>

I have a split short hose, so I need to replace both of the remote oil 
filter hoses on my Mk 1. Preparing for the Colorado English Motoring 
Conclave and a trip to Taos, NM
Anyone have a source for quality product? I need them this week. I'd 
rather pay more up front for less downtime in the future!
Ken

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From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com  Sun Sep 11 10:15:41 2011
From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (Ken Tisdale)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:15:41 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter hoses
In-Reply-To: <1315756116.49914.YahooMailNeo@web160315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <4E6CCB7F.6000301@ix.netcom.com>
	<1315756116.49914.YahooMailNeo@web160315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E6CDEAD.2070909@ix.netcom.com>

Thanks for the offer, Tony!
I have headers, and I have a short time frame ( 4 days), so I'm hoping 
that I can source quality new ones... Just got the short one off, I'm 
out to do errands for the Conclave, and then I'll fight the long one!
Ken

On 9/11/2011 9:48 AM, Tony Somebody wrote:
> Ken- if U do not have headers the quickest fix is the Ford adaptor and 
> short filter and then get new hoses made. If one went I would replace 
> both- it happened to me years ago many miles from home. Had to make to 
> trips as no one had a list or an adaptor plate etc back in 1972. ALSO, 
> if you do find someone who will make EXACT duplicates, PLEASE post the 
> place or send it on to me. I have a spare set but they are OEM and 
> migh split etc at any time too- Ive never used them, just bought them 
> in order to have new ones made-(you are welcome to use one if all else 
> fails)- the set I am using has been replaced and the one to the filter 
> is so long the filter wont fit inside the clamp that bolts to the 
> head. They are made well, just one is to long and made by a PO.
> Let me know if U need to borrow a short side.
> TonytheTiger

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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Sep 11 11:04:55 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:04:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter hoses
Message-ID: <a80a0.57379e7d.3b9e4437@aol.com>

The short filter WILL fit with many headers. Just need  the $4 nipple that 
most Ford dealers have and the filter and you're in  business.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/11/2011 12:31:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ktisdale at ix.netcom.com writes:

Thanks  for the offer, Tony!
I have headers, and I have a short time frame ( 4  days), so I'm hoping 
that I can source quality new ones... Just got the  short one off, I'm 
out to do errands for the Conclave, and then I'll fight  the long one!
Ken

On 9/11/2011 9:48 AM, Tony Somebody wrote:
>  Ken- if U do not have headers the quickest fix is the Ford adaptor and  
> short filter and then get new hoses made. If one went I would replace  
> both- it happened to me years ago many miles from home. Had to make  to 
> trips as no one had a list or an adaptor plate etc back in 1972.  ALSO, 
> if you do find someone who will make EXACT duplicates, PLEASE  post the 
> place or send it on to me. I have a spare set but they are  OEM and 
> migh split etc at any time too- Ive never used them, just  bought them 
> in order to have new ones made-(you are welcome to use  one if all else 
> fails)- the set I am using has been replaced and the  one to the filter 
> is so long the filter wont fit inside the clamp  that bolts to the 
> head. They are made well, just one is to long and  made by a PO.
> Let me know if U need to borrow a short side.
>  TonytheTiger

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From genepadgett at comcast.net  Sun Sep 11 11:24:56 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:24:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter hoses
In-Reply-To: <4E6CDEAD.2070909@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <1896735368.489492.1315761896605.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Ken, I have heard of new hoses being made by people that can make hoses for
the big rig trucking guys.B B  If there is a shop nearby that does service
work for that industry, you could see if they can help.B B  I doubt you will
find anyone can EXACTLY duplicate the cupped crimp connectors on the ends, but
what they do looksB very similar to the casual observer.



If you do go that route, they will use your meta l ends.B B  Just be sure they
get the orientation of the ends the same as inB  the originals since the
crimped ends don't swivel.



Expanding on whatB  Tony has said, i f it makes a difference between going and
not going, you can always get by with an adapter nipple to the block and a
half quart filter.B B  I have used that setup before and have Sunbeam
Specialties h eaders that were made in the 80's.B B  Just remember that all
1/2 quart filters are not the same.B  I seem to recall the Wix one is a little
thicker and may not fit or is a struggle to get on .



Good Luck!B  Gene



----- Original Message -----


From: "Ken Tisdale" <ktisdale at ix.netcom.com>
To: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:15:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Filter hoses

Thanks for the offer, Tony!
I have headers, and I have a short time frame ( 4 days), so I'm hoping
that I can source quality new ones... Just got the short one off, I'm
out to do errands for the Conclave, and then I'll fight the long one!
Ken

On 9/11/2011 9:48 AM, Tony Somebody wrote:
> Ken- if U do not have headers the quickest fix is the Ford adaptor and
> short filter and then get new hoses made. If one went I would replace
> both- it happened to me years ago many miles from home. Had to make to
> trips as no one had a list or an adaptor plate etc back in 1972. ALSO,
> if you do find someone who will make EXACT duplicates, PLEASE post the
> place or send it on to me. I have a spare set but they are OEM and
> migh split etc at any time too- Ive never used them, just bought them
> in order to have new ones made-(you are welcome to use one if all else
> fails)- the set I am using has been replaced and the one to the filter
> is so long the filter wont fit inside the clamp that bolts to the
> head. They are made well, just one is to long and made by a PO.
> Let me know if U need to borrow a short side.
> TonytheTiger

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From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com  Sun Sep 11 11:51:04 2011
From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (Ken Tisdale)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:51:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter hoses
In-Reply-To: <1896735368.489492.1315761896605.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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A neighbor who is into heavy equipment suggested a shop here in Denver 
that rebuilds hose assemblies. I'll be making a trip to Central States 
Hose tomorrow.
Thanks for all of the input!
Ken

On 9/11/2011 11:24 AM, genepadgett at comcast.net wrote:
>

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From crbernardino at mac.com  Sun Sep 11 19:24:19 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:24:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Historic events
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Great pics!
Thanks for sharing.
Rob

On Sep 10, 2011, at 3:49 PM, michael king wrote:

> The list has been so quiet that i had forgotten to post links to some of the
> winter events down here... for those still getting the mails:
> 
> 2011 british and european show:
> http://rides.webshots.com/album/580001509NPnZsI
> 
> Winton historic race meet:
> http://rides.webshots.com/album/580735593yMZJJL
> 
> 
> High street show:
> http://rides.webshots.com/album/580821305DXDgxm
> 
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> 
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 01:08:15 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:08:15 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Monterey histroric 2011
Message-ID: <CAET8snW0bheup6_cBG6E_k82EB3vnuc5pg8zJZqJcq6LVaQxyQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpef_1PKKj4

watch from 4.25 to 6.45 to see the sunbeams in action.

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 01:19:02 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:19:02 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] more monterey 2011 tiger vids
Message-ID: <CAET8snXbSGRYM2eDQ6p3tBceKRA_0NYi-LWEveqkP-=Vuamumg@mail.gmail.com>

a couple more vids:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQkFEJVyr0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8hrcLKVXkg

-- 
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From ieincparts at cfl.rr.com  Tue Sep 13 07:29:42 2011
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>> The list has been so quiet that i had forgotten to post links to some of 
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>> winter events down here... for those still getting the mails:
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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Tue Sep 13 10:54:58 2011
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:54:58 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Generator & Alt. bracket
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds16F12051A1B1B07743CB4EAD050@phx.gbl>

Just got a chance to read the posts on the generator bracket.

The "early" Jan. 1967 Tiger parts book shows the same Ford part numbers
and car serial ranges as the Jan 1965 book. There are two versions of
the Jan. 1967 Tiger parts book, early and later. The first version has
all the Ford part numbers, the 2nd version doesn't, the 2nd version
doesn't say revised etc. it is identical but doesn't have the Ford
numbers.

The early Jan 1967 book also shows the MKII alternator bracket: Rootes #
6100742 with Ford # C5JZ-10151-B. The MKII bracket has C5JZ-10151-B cast
into it along with 8M  and a weak 3 or B NO. I have attached pictures
of the MKII.

Back to the MKI bracket, the little 1/4" threaded boss on the bracket
was originally for the oil filler tube which was on the timing gear
cover on early Fords.

David Franchi

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398462195.jpg

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398462196.jpg

From wwwdg at webtv.net  Wed Sep 14 13:42:42 2011
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:42:42 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Generator & Alt. bracket
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds52E1CB3D025EAEDEABBF9AD040@phx.gbl>

I went through my parts and found a Tiger Generator bracket and a Ford
bracket. I took a few photos comparing them. 
My Tiger bracket is only marked with a Triangle with a "C" or "O" inside
and a "1" next to it. The Tiger bracket offset is about 11/16" closer to
the head and it is shaped a little differently. 

David 

Misc. bracket pictures, Tiger brkt. is always on the left. 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477547.jpg 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477548.jpg 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477549.jpg 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477550.jpg 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477551.jpg 

Tiger and Ford markings. 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477552.jpg 

Tiger marking close-up. 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398477553.jpg 

------------------------------------------
Just got a chance to read the posts on the generator bracket. 
The "early" Jan. 1967 Tiger parts book shows the same Ford part numbers
and car serial ranges as the Jan 1965 book. There are two versions of
the Jan. 1967 Tiger parts book, early and later. The first version has
all the Ford part numbers, the 2nd version doesn't, the 2nd version
doesn't say revised etc. it is identical but doesn't have the Ford
numbers. 
The early Jan 1967 book also shows the MKII alternator bracket: Rootes #
6100742 with Ford # C5JZ-10151-B. The MKII bracket has C5JZ-10151-B cast
into it along with 8M and a weak 3 or B NO. I have attached pictures of
the MKII. 
Back to the MKI bracket, the little 1/4" threaded boss on the bracket
was originally for the oil filler tube which was on the timing gear
cover on early Fords. 

David Franchi 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398462195.jpg 

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398462196.jpg 

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Thu Sep 15 16:43:32 2011
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:43:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay
Message-ID: <4292.20fe12c8.3ba3d994@aol.com>

I have had 2 Tigers and have no idea what these are. Anyone  know???

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 15 19:26:54 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:26:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay
In-Reply-To: <4292.20fe12c8.3ba3d994@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1316136414.13777.YahooMailClassic@web160714.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

They are the exhaust feedthru openings for the front x-members and the
recessed cutouts for the rear x-members.

--- On Thu, 9/15/11, AAAGLASSS at aol.com <AAAGLASSS at aol.com> wrote:


From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com <AAAGLASSS at aol.com>
Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 3:43 PM


I have had 2 Tigers and have no idea what these are. Anyone  know???
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Sep 15 19:32:27 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:32:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay
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>I have had 2 Tigers and have no idea what these are. Anyone  know???

Their the frame modification pieces to allow dual exhaust to pass through 
and under the X member. Some people need them for replacement and others to 
make Algers.

Tom

From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 15 20:11:22 2011
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:11:22 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay
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After market pass throughs and clearances for the X-member under the car.


Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay

I have had 2 Tigers and have no idea what these are. Anyone  know???
_______________________________________________

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Thu Sep 15 20:14:07 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:14:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay
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Message-ID: <000001cc7416$546a31d0$6501a8c0@Brennan>

They are used to rebuild the exhaust pass throughs  in the "X-frame"
stiffeners on the bottom.

Stu

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From genepadgett at comcast.net  Thu Sep 15 20:26:38 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:26:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay
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Consider yourself fortunate!B 

B 

These are to replace rotted out exhaust pipe pass-through hole sections in the
x-frame part of the "chassis" immediatelyB back ofB the firewall and under the
floor pan.B B  Since the holesB are open to the weather, water can splash in,
moisture condense and accumulate.B B  There is no drain hole for it to excape
and so it just sits there rusting away the bottom section of the hole.

B 

Gene



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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Sep 15 20:51:42 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:51:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] 330614506176 on E-Pay
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Maybe you have Algers?   ;-)

Those are the pieces you weld into the cuts in the bottom of the X frame
to allow the Tiger exhaust pass through/under.  Probably one of the TAC
checks for a real Tiger....

Gary


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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 16 11:33:07 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:33:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] one inch CAT sway bar bushings
Message-ID: <1316194387.32152.YahooMailNeo@web160306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I bought a one inch CAT sway bar a couple months back and recently new brackets made by M. Michels-( nice job Mike) today when the new brackets arrived I tried one for fit and found the bushings had deterioated- maybe from storage in a hot attic- none the less they are very brittle and the one I tried cracked and broke with me just sliding the bracket on. I know CAT sold the bushings at one time but now the newsletter no longer has a parts available list- SO, if anyone has a set, knows if CAT might still sell them or has any idea where I might purchase new ones I would deeply appreciate the information.
TonytheTiger in southern IL.

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Sep 16 16:07:24 2011
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (mmichels at socal.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:07:24 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] one inch CAT sway bar bushings
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Tony, I can't take credit for the sway bar brackets. Must be another M. Michels. But glad you like them. 
---- Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I bought a one inch CAT sway bar a couple months back and recently new brackets made by M. Michels-( nice job Mike) today when the new brackets arrived I tried one for fit and found the bushings had deterioated- maybe from storage in a hot attic- none the less they are very brittle and the one I tried cracked and broke with me just sliding the bracket on. I know CAT sold the bushings at one time but now the newsletter no longer has a parts available list- SO, if anyone has a set, knows if CAT might still sell them or has any idea where I might purchase new ones I would deeply appreciate the information.
> TonytheTiger in southern IL.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 16 20:28:15 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:28:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] one inch CAT sway bar bushings
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THANKS Gary, I will check to see if I can find them on line at jegs and if not
it seems, if I remember correctly, you can call and they try their best to
help. I used to get their catalouge but never purchased anything and in time
they stopped sending a new one.
Thanks again.
TtT

From: Gary
<gstrom99 at joimail.com>
>To: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>; Beamclub
<tigers at autox.team.net>; Alpine List <alpines at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday,
September 16, 2011 6:08 PM
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>
>Try www.jegs.com .  They have hard race type bushings of all
sizes.
>
>Gary
>
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>Subject:
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>> I bought a one inch CAT sway
bar a couple months back and recently new brackets made by M. Michels-( nice
job Mike) today when the new brackets arrived I tried one for fit and found
the bushings had deterioated- maybe from storage in a hot attic- none the less
they are very brittle and the one I tried cracked and broke with me just
sliding the bracket on. I know CAT sold the bushings at one time but now the
newsletter no longer has a parts available list- SO, if anyone has a set,
knows if CAT might still sell them or has any idea where I might purchase new
ones I would deeply appreciate the information.
>> TonytheTiger in southern
IL.
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Sep 16 20:49:14 2011
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:49:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ceaig list
Message-ID: <29b0e.38ff14ea.3ba564a9@aol.com>

_http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/2600235522.html_ 
(http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/2600235522.html) 

From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Sep 19 11:52:10 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:52:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
Message-ID: <E74770B502A8441283E1B144E308BD8B@awtigerPC>

Hey, guys:

I'm still having a stalling problem with my Tiger.  I've performed a complete
ignition tune up and have been through the Holley 465 carb.  I've also
replaced the fuel pump as well.  In short, I'm now down to investigating
further into the fuel system, which means checking for trash in the tanks.
It's been a loooooooong time since I've pulled the gas tanks out of a Tiger
and, frankly, I can't remember the proper order in which the apparatus is
removed.  Do the actual tanks come out first, followed by the curved pieces of
pipe and then the balance tube, OR does the balance tube come out first,
followed by the curved pipes and then the tanks?  Can someone help jog my
failing memory???

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Sun Sep 18 13:10:04 2011
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:10:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] removing master cylinder reservoir
Message-ID: <000001cc7636$92cd4760$b867d620$@rr.com>

I'm replacing a GIrling master cylinder with the plastic fluid reservoir.
Need to remove the reservoir from old cylinder and install on the new. How
to remove it? There is a plastic "hat" at the bottom center of the reservoir
which I presume covers a nut or C clip that retains the reservoir. It
doesn't come out with finger pressure, and doesn't unscrew. I don't want to
force it with pliers for fear of breaking it. Anybody run into this? 

From allanballard at att.net  Sun Sep 18 15:58:10 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:58:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Badges - originality
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	<22A71957C6DC4A5BA5E1D03642AEB5EF@RacerX>
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Message-ID: <B44AC8B1-5D2E-410D-AF11-D34A02C1A217@att.net>

My early Mk1a Tiger came to me with both "260" side badges missing.

The only "260" badge remaining is on the trunk lid.

It is very worn with little paint remaining and says "Sunbeam 260" with
"Sunbeam" located in the
small space normally displaying "Powered by Ford."

Does anyone have information on this badge?

So far I don't see a repro available.

I have no way to know whether the badge is original to the car but have no
reason to suspect
a badge change in the past either.

Rgds,

Allan Ballard

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Sun Sep 18 16:29:07 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:29:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
In-Reply-To: <E74770B502A8441283E1B144E308BD8B@awtigerPC>
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Andy, I look forward to seeing the answer to your question!B B  S ome side
thoughts to share while we await them.B B  When you changed your fuel pump,
did you find any debris on the inlet side?B B  There should be a mesh screen
filter there that would keep anything large from the tank fouling the pump and
anything further downstreem.B B  When I changed my pump last summer, I made
sure there was nothing clogging the lines between the tanks and the pump inlet
side.B B  with the tanks as empty as possible I ran compressed air into the
tanks with the pump out of the lines.B B  just ran a line from my air
compressor into the filler opening and made a crude sealB with a towel around
the hose and stuffed into the opening and held it all in by hand.B B  Not a
perfect seal , but the line to the pump blew out very clean.B B  If you can,
you might want to try that before going to the trouble of pulling the
tanks.B B  You could also do the same thing from the output line from the pump
to the carb inlet after disconnecting every thing.



Just some thoughts that may or may not be helpful!



Cheers, Gene


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From: "awtiger" <awtiger at cox.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:52:10 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question

Hey, guys:

I'm still having a stalling problem with my Tiger. B I've performed a complete
ignition tune up and have been through the Holley 465 carb. B I've also
replaced the fuel pump as well. B In short, I'm now down to investigating
further into the fuel system, which means checking for trash in the tanks.
It's been a loooooooong time since I've pulled the gas tanks out of a Tiger
and, frankly, I can't remember the proper order in which the apparatus is
removed. B Do the actual tanks come out first, followed by the curved pieces
of
pipe and then the balance tube, OR does the balance tube come out first,
followed by the curved pipes and then the tanks? B Can someone help jog my
failing memory???

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Sep 18 16:43:22 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:43:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
In-Reply-To: <E74770B502A8441283E1B144E308BD8B@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <A4D56C9C185B4F1CB383C042040A4349@ronpc1>

Andy
	Did you check the advance curve with you ignition tune up?   I
worked on an early Mustang and the distributor advance was hanging up
causing poor idle adjustment and stalling.

	I don't know that there is a best order for pulling the tanks and
tubes.  Once you have the 4 rubber connectors loose the curved tubes should
come right out.

	I would pump the tanks down with a clear view filter before the pump
to see if it collects any particles.  If there are no particles or few your
probably OK.    I would think most of the crude would collect in the main
cross tube.  I know I have some crude in my cross tube because I have a
filter before my fuel pump and I see some crude in there.   I have the cross
tube on my to do list also.

Ron Fraser


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On Behalf Of awtiger
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:52 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question


Hey, guys:

I'm still having a stalling problem with my Tiger.  I've performed a
complete ignition tune up and have been through the Holley 465 carb.  I've
also replaced the fuel pump as well.  In short, I'm now down to
investigating further into the fuel system, which means checking for trash
in the tanks. It's been a loooooooong time since I've pulled the gas tanks
out of a Tiger and, frankly, I can't remember the proper order in which the
apparatus is removed.  Do the actual tanks come out first, followed by the
curved pieces of pipe and then the balance tube, OR does the balance tube
come out first, followed by the curved pipes and then the tanks?  Can
someone help jog my failing memory???

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740
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From allanballard at att.net  Sun Sep 18 18:45:08 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:45:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
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Andy,

There is a discussion thread on fuel tank removal and installation at :
http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5559&page=8

You don't have to remove the balance tube unless you want to replace it. They
can be a challenge to reinstall, sometimes. I've always removed the tanks
first.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:29 PM, genepadgett at comcast.net wrote:

> Andy, I look forward to seeing the answer to your question!B B  S ome side
> thoughts to share while we await them.B B  When you changed your fuel pump,
> did you find any debris on the inlet side?B B  There should be a mesh
screen
> filter there that would keep anything large from the tank fouling the pump
and
> anything further downstreem.B B  When I changed my pump last summer, I made
> sure there was nothing clogging the lines between the tanks and the pump
inlet
> side.B B  with the tanks as empty as possible I ran compressed air into the
> tanks with the pump out of the lines.B B  just ran a line from my air
> compressor into the filler opening and made a crude sealB with a towel
around
> the hose and stuffed into the opening and held it all in by hand.B B  Not a
> perfect seal , but the line to the pump blew out very clean.B B  If you
can,
> you might want to try that before going to the trouble of pulling the
> tanks.B B  You could also do the same thing from the output line from the
pump
> to the carb inlet after disconnecting every thing.
>
>
>
> Just some thoughts that may or may not be helpful!
>
>
>
> Cheers, Gene
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "awtiger" <awtiger at cox.net>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:52:10 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
>
> Hey, guys:
>
> I'm still having a stalling problem with my Tiger. B I've performed a
complete
> ignition tune up and have been through the Holley 465 carb. B I've also
> replaced the fuel pump as well. B In short, I'm now down to investigating
> further into the fuel system, which means checking for trash in the tanks.
> It's been a loooooooong time since I've pulled the gas tanks out of a Tiger
> and, frankly, I can't remember the proper order in which the apparatus is
> removed. B Do the actual tanks come out first, followed by the curved
pieces
> of
> pipe and then the balance tube, OR does the balance tube come out first,
> followed by the curved pipes and then the tanks? B Can someone help jog my
> failing memory???
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
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From harryb at elams.org  Sun Sep 18 18:50:13 2011
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry Elam)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:50:13 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 118
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Andy,
     After going through what you describe a few years back, I found the 
fuel connection fitting from the cross pipe between the gas tanks to the 
fuel pump had a reduced opening. I drained the tanks and used increasing 
sized drill bits ,turned by hand, to clean out the restriction. May have 
nothing to do with your issue but it took me quite a bit of time and 
frustration to find the problem.  Best Of Luck.

Harry Elam
B382000471
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Hey, guys:

I'm still having a stalling problem with my Tiger.  I've performed a complete
ignition tune up and have been through the Holley 465 carb.  I've also
replaced the fuel pump as well.  In short, I'm now down to investigating
further into the fuel system, which means checking for trash in the tanks.
It's been a loooooooong time since I've pulled the gas tanks out of a Tiger
and, frankly, I can't remember the proper order in which the apparatus is
removed.  Do the actual tanks come out first, followed by the curved pieces of
pipe and then the balance tube, OR does the balance tube come out first,
followed by the curved pipes and then the tanks?  Can someone help jog my
failing memory???

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740


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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 18:51:23 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:51:23 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Badges - originality
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The SUNBEAM 260 badges were orginal, they were used on the cross over body
MKI Tigers in the UK, perhaps in europe too?. I believe they got round the
POWERED by FORD issue for crysler. In the USA i thought the same period of
car swicthed to the SUNBEAM V8 sheilds, as featured on the MKIA and MKII.

>From what i recall there were several sheilds POWERED BY FORD 260, ALPINE
260 (europe) SUNBEAM 260 and SUNBEAM V8



On 19 September 2011 07:58, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> My early Mk1a Tiger came to me with both "260" side badges missing.
>
> The only "260" badge remaining is on the trunk lid.
>
> It is very worn with little paint remaining and says "Sunbeam 260" with
> "Sunbeam" located in the
> small space normally displaying "Powered by Ford."
>
> Does anyone have information on this badge?
>
> So far I don't see a repro available.
>
> I have no way to know whether the badge is original to the car but have no
> reason to suspect
> a badge change in the past either.
>
> Rgds,
>
> Allan Ballard
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 18 19:59:18 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
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Earlier in the spring, I completed removing useable parts from an Alpine that
had most things already removed. The tanks where the last parts and while my
son was helping, we removed the clamps and all the tubing before removoing the
tanks. I wasnt concerned with juust removing the tanks but I think if the
tanks have the material on the inside coming off that the tubes may welll need
checked. Having done the job I think you will have to remove at least the
corner bent tube by lossening 2 clamps and attempting to get the rubber to
slide onto the pipe from the tube and tank- once it is out the tank will be
removeable but it may not be super easy to slide the rubber seals without
lubing them up. Once they turn and the seal that has been preserved for 40
plus years is broken, then I believe you have it made but with luck you may
just have to get the tube seal between the tube and tank to slide- PROBLEM may
be what bracket may or may not be in the way in the
 area the balance tube and other tubes reside.I like Genes idea but if the
line from the balance tube is easily removed, that is where the clog usually
starts.
Much luck.
TtT

From: "genepadgett at comcast.net"
<genepadgett at comcast.net>
>To: awtiger <awtiger at cox.net>
>Cc:
tigers at autox.team.net
>Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:29 PM
>Subject: Re:
[Tigers] Gas tank question
>
>Andy, I look forward to seeing the answer to
your question!B B  S ome side
>thoughts to share while we await them.B B  When
you changed your fuel pump,
>did you find any debris on the inlet side?B B 
There should be a mesh screen
>filter there that would keep anything large
from the tank fouling the pump and
>anything further downstreem.B B  When I
changed my pump last summer, I made
>sure there was nothing clogging the lines
between the tanks and the pump inlet
>side.B B  with the tanks as empty as
possible I ran compressed air into the
>tanks with the pump out of the lines.B
B  just ran a line from my air
>compressor into the filler opening and made a
crude sealB with a towel around
>the hose and stuffed into the opening and
held it all in by hand.B B  Not a
>perfect seal , but the line to the pump
blew out very clean.B B  If you can,
>you might want to try that before going
to the trouble of pulling the
>tanks.B B  You could also do the same thing
from the output line from the pump
>to the carb inlet after disconnecting
every thing.
>
>
>
>Just some thoughts that may or may not be helpful!
>
>
>
>Cheers, Gene
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>
>From: "awtiger"
<awtiger at cox.net>
>To: tigers at autox.team.net
>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011
12:52:10 PM
>Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
>
>Hey, guys:
>
>I'm still
having a stalling problem with my Tiger. B I've performed a complete
>ignition
tune up and have been through the Holley 465 carb. B I've also
>replaced the
fuel pump as well. B In short, I'm now down to investigating
>further into the
fuel system, which means checking for trash in the tanks.
>It's been a
loooooooong time since I've pulled the gas tanks out of a Tiger
>and, frankly,
I can't remember the proper order in which the apparatus is
>removed. B Do the
actual tanks come out first, followed by the curved pieces
>of
>pipe and then
the balance tube, OR does the balance tube come out first,
>followed by the
curved pipes and then the tanks? B Can someone help jog my
>failing memory???
>
>Thanks,
>Andy Walker
>Edmond, OK
>B382001600LRXFE
>TAC #740
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Sun Sep 18 20:57:51 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:57:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
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I will actually be going through this exercise next weekend to install a fuel cell. If I recall correctly, I first train the tanks and then loosen all the hose clamps. I was able to slide the large rubber hoses inwards over the cross-over tube. Then the cross over and these rubber hoses come out making room for the curved tubes next. Finally the tanks come out.

Let me know if this makes sense.
Rob


Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519






On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Ron Fraser wrote:

> Andy
> 	Did you check the advance curve with you ignition tune up?   I
> worked on an early Mustang and the distributor advance was hanging up
> causing poor idle adjustment and stalling.
> 
> 	I don't know that there is a best order for pulling the tanks and
> tubes.  Once you have the 4 rubber connectors loose the curved tubes should
> come right out.
> 
> 	I would pump the tanks down with a clear view filter before the pump
> to see if it collects any particles.  If there are no particles or few your
> probably OK.    I would think most of the crude would collect in the main
> cross tube.  I know I have some crude in my cross tube because I have a
> filter before my fuel pump and I see some crude in there.   I have the cross
> tube on my to do list also.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of awtiger
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:52 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank question
> 
> 
> Hey, guys:
> 
> I'm still having a stalling problem with my Tiger.  I've performed a
> complete ignition tune up and have been through the Holley 465 carb.  I've
> also replaced the fuel pump as well.  In short, I'm now down to
> investigating further into the fuel system, which means checking for trash
> in the tanks. It's been a loooooooong time since I've pulled the gas tanks
> out of a Tiger and, frankly, I can't remember the proper order in which the
> apparatus is removed.  Do the actual tanks come out first, followed by the
> curved pieces of pipe and then the balance tube, OR does the balance tube
> come out first, followed by the curved pipes and then the tanks?  Can
> someone help jog my failing memory???
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Sep 18 21:26:57 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:26:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Badges - originality
In-Reply-To: <B44AC8B1-5D2E-410D-AF11-D34A02C1A217@att.net>
Message-ID: <A2B4665923DC42D9971B4B382B56E519@ronpc1>

Allan
	TBON lists 4 possible badges.
Alpine 260		European market
Powered by Ford 260
Sunbeam 260		This one shows Chrysler's influence at Rootes on the
Tiger.
Sunbeam V8

	I don't know that any of these have been reproduced in plastic like
the originals.  You can polish plastic to put a shine back on the surface
and if the silver is still there you can clean up the back and spray it with
black paint.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:58 PM
To: Beamclub
Subject: [Tigers] Badges - originality


My early Mk1a Tiger came to me with both "260" side badges missing.

The only "260" badge remaining is on the trunk lid.

It is very worn with little paint remaining and says "Sunbeam 260" with
"Sunbeam" located in the small space normally displaying "Powered by Ford."

Does anyone have information on this badge?

So far I don't see a repro available.

I have no way to know whether the badge is original to the car but have no
reason to suspect a badge change in the past either.

Rgds,

Allan Ballard
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Sun Sep 18 21:31:26 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:31:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Vent Advice
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Thanks everyone for fuel cell advice. Below is a link for the fuel cell I plan on installing.

http://gallery.me.com/crbernardino#100458

It is not full race fuel cell, but I think better than what the Tigers have. This one is also easy to install with no major modifications to the body - i.e. cutting the floor, etc. 15 gallons and preinstalled fuel level float.
My plan is to remove the tanks and place the battery in the passenger side tank area. Then the fuel center will be centered. I will likely install with the outlets pointing towards the center of the car, as opposed to how the cell is pictured resting in the trunk. As advised, I will do a full loop prior to venting the cell through a bulk head fitting in the floor. The fittings on the cell do not have a vent valve so I will install one that 'bolts'  up. In that loop I plan to install an additional fuel filter so as not to suck in crud into the tank.
Rob


Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From crbernardino at mac.com  Mon Sep 19 00:09:07 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:09:07 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Help
Message-ID: <CB0851C5-E928-49E9-ADD0-D63C42C3D727@mac.com>

Thanks everyone for fuel cell advice. Below is a link for the fuel cell I plan on installing.

http://gallery.me.com/crbernardino#100458

It is not full race fuel cell, but I think better than what the Tigers have. This one is also easy to install with no major modifications to the body - i.e. cutting the floor, etc. 15 gallons and preinstalled fuel level float.
My plan is to remove the tanks and place the battery in the passenger side tank area. Then the fuel center will be centered. I will likely install with the outlets pointing towards the center of the car, as opposed to how the cell is pictured resting in the trunk. As advised, I will do a full loop prior to venting the cell through a bulk head fitting in the floor. The fittings on the cell do not have a vent valve so I will install one that 'bolts'  up. In that loop I plan to install an additional fuel filter so as not to suck in crud into the tank.
Rob


Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From allanballard at att.net  Mon Sep 19 05:29:29 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (allanballard at att.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:29:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Badges - originality
In-Reply-To: <A2B4665923DC42D9971B4B382B56E519@ronpc1>
References: <A2B4665923DC42D9971B4B382B56E519@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <BEBC0C74-A7FE-4583-85CD-A16642BED9DF@att.net>

Thanks guys.

I'll clean it up for reuse.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:26 PM, " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Allan
>    TBON lists 4 possible badges.
> Alpine 260        European market
> Powered by Ford 260
> Sunbeam 260        This one shows Chrysler's influence at Rootes on the
> Tiger.
> Sunbeam V8
>
>    I don't know that any of these have been reproduced in plastic like
> the originals.  You can polish plastic to put a shine back on the surface
> and if the silver is still there you can clean up the back and spray it
with
> black paint.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:58 PM
> To: Beamclub
> Subject: [Tigers] Badges - originality
>
>
> My early Mk1a Tiger came to me with both "260" side badges missing.
>
> The only "260" badge remaining is on the trunk lid.
>
> It is very worn with little paint remaining and says "Sunbeam 260" with
> "Sunbeam" located in the small space normally displaying "Powered by Ford."
>
> Does anyone have information on this badge?
>
> So far I don't see a repro available.
>
> I have no way to know whether the badge is original to the car but have no
> reason to suspect a badge change in the past either.
>
> Rgds,
>
> Allan Ballard
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Mon Sep 19 10:37:02 2011
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:37:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] removing master cylinder reservoir
In-Reply-To: <4E76CF82.6090307@comcast.net>
References: <000001cc7636$92cd4760$b867d620$@rr.com>
	<4E76CF82.6090307@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003901cc76ea$5da522b0$18ef6810$@rr.com>

Thanks. I finally got brave and pulled hard on the plastic cap over the hex
nut at the bottom of the reservoir. With a little rocking it came off. I
have learned (though not always adhere to it) not to force things if I don't
understand how they come apart. All went well. You're right the rubber
washer should be looked at carefully. It seems fine. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hall [mailto:modtiger at comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:14 PM
To: Mike Michels
Subject: Re: [Tigers] removing master cylinder reservoir

On 9/18/2011 12:10 PM, Mike Michels wrote:
> I'm replacing a GIrling master cylinder with the plastic fluid reservoir.
> Need to remove the reservoir from old cylinder and install on the new. How
> to remove it? There is a plastic "hat" at the bottom center of the
reservoir
> which I presume covers a nut or C clip that retains the reservoir. It
> doesn't come out with finger pressure, and doesn't unscrew. I don't want
to
> force it with pliers for fear of breaking it. Anybody run into this?
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The OEM Girling reservoir is mounted on a stud with a copper washer to 
seal the hex nut to the cylinder body and a rubber washer on top of the 
hex to seal to the reservoir.  Inside the reservoir you will find a 3/8 
jam nut and steel washer which tightens down on the reservoir.  The 
rubber washer is centered on a raised boss above the hex, the height of 
which limits the compression of the rubber washer.  So the change is 
accomplished by removing the nut and washer allowing the reservoir to be 
pulled off the stud.  Then a wrench to remove the stud and 
re-installation into the new cylinder.

It is common for the rubber washer to be less than adequate after many 
years of being compressed.  I think the only replacement comes with a 
new reservoir, as I've never seen one in a rebuild kit.  You may find a 
workable replacement in a plumbing store but the rubber may or may not 
be suitable with Type 3 &4 brake fluid.

The old reservoir typically had a 12 point recess that fit over the stud 
hex that keeps the reservoir from turning.

-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From cbowland at msn.com  Mon Sep 19 21:38:21 2011
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:38:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in the Limelight
Message-ID: <BLU166-ds12D9278AA22BEBC3964ECCDB0A0@phx.gbl>

Many people are not aware that the recent Lime Rock vintage race weekend was
held September 2-4. Along with the races there is a very well attended
concours held on Sunday morning. I was pleasantly surprised to see the
beautiful 1966 Mk 1 Tiger of Scotty Hackenson of Trumbull' CT. took first
place in Class 31. This class is the "Peoples Choice" and says volumes for the
car as well as the growing appreciation for Sunbeams in general. I am going to
try and include a link that has the only picture I have been able to find of
Scotty's Tiger. Surprise as the photo is captioned with Dale Akuszewski's name
listed.

   http://www.sportscardigest.com/lime-rock-historic-festival-2011-concours-p
hoto-gallery/<http://www.sportscardigest.com/lime-rock-historic-festival-2011
-concours-photo-gallery/>

If you scroll down there are lots of photos as well as a list of the winners.
Scotty's car is in the third group of photos. As you can see from all the
photos there were some real heavy weight show cars at this event. If the link
does not go through check out Sportscar Digest web site and look for the
September 17th issue.

Cheers,
]
Curt

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Mon Sep 19 22:36:03 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:36:03 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Coronado
Message-ID: <3A108E1008434E86AD868ACF21ED04AE@BucksLaptop>

Steve Alcala has Corral passes for Tigers heading down to the Coronado races
this coming weekend. If you want one give him a call.

Buck

From Rollright at aol.com  Tue Sep 20 17:22:22 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:22:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] overrider fixing hardware question
Message-ID: <5d977.402b01fa.3baa7a2e@aol.com>

Hello there,
 
I'm getting some overriders chromed. Brought them in today.
 
They are the earlier kind with the steel insert brazed inside.
 
Since they don't use the newer fixing carriage bolt, I attempted  to look 
up the fixing hardware
in the parts book.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't mention fixing hardware for the older  overrider.
 
Can anybody tell me what bolt (and thread size) is correct for this  
application.
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Sep 20 21:47:09 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:47:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] overrider fixing hardware question
In-Reply-To: <5d977.402b01fa.3baa7a2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8A48064AF5CF43859D5229778CC8A8A6@ronpc1>

Jim
	I have one of those overrider's that someone torched off a bumper.
The bolt is a 7/16 UNF square head inside a cage welded to the overrider.

I do see an overrider and 3/8 bolt listed as an alternative listed in the
Parts List for June 1968.

Looks like all the bumper hardware is 7/16 so why not make everything the
same size.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:22 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] overrider fixing hardware question


Hello there,
 
I'm getting some overriders chromed. Brought them in today.
 
They are the earlier kind with the steel insert brazed inside.
 
Since they don't use the newer fixing carriage bolt, I attempted  to look 
up the fixing hardware
in the parts book.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't mention fixing hardware for the older  overrider.
 
Can anybody tell me what bolt (and thread size) is correct for this  
application.
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE
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From BKSchonb at usi.edu  Wed Sep 21 11:40:15 2011
From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:40:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tom Patton at SCCA Runoffs
Message-ID: <E1BCBAA133BF824F99E9BC9B3CC610B5028FD27AFA@ExchMail.usi.edu>

Tom Patton is campaigning the Tiger in GT2 at the SCCA Club Racing Runoffs at
Road America this week. After three of four days of qualifying, Tom is second
on the grid, with just tenths of a second separating the top four. The race is
Friday at 3:30 pm CDT and can be viewed live. See link below.

http://www.scca.com/events/news.cfm?eid=3128&cid=46240

Tom has had a great season setting new track records at three tracks.

Barry Schonberger

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Sep 21 14:43:07 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:43:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Generator & Alt. bracket
Message-ID: <7b40.39ba97d9.3baba65b@aol.com>

Is anyone aware of another Ford product that used this  alternator bracket?
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/13/2011 1:42:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wwwdg at webtv.net writes:

Just got  a chance to read the posts on the generator bracket.

The "early" Jan.  1967 Tiger parts book shows the same Ford part numbers
and car serial  ranges as the Jan 1965 book. There are two versions of
the Jan. 1967 Tiger  parts book, early and later. The first version has
all the Ford part  numbers, the 2nd version doesn't, the 2nd version
doesn't say revised etc.  it is identical but doesn't have the Ford
numbers.

The early Jan  1967 book also shows the MKII alternator bracket: Rootes #
6100742 with  Ford # C5JZ-10151-B. The MKII bracket has C5JZ-10151-B cast
into it along  with 8M  and a weak 3 or B NO. I have attached pictures
of the  MKII.

Back to the MKI bracket, the little 1/4" threaded boss on the  bracket
was originally for the oil filler tube which was on the timing  gear
cover on early Fords.

David  Franchi

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398462195.jpg

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/23401185/398462196.jpg
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From Rollright at aol.com  Fri Sep 23 14:32:54 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:32:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Over-riders
Message-ID: <44d0.35400da1.3bae46f5@aol.com>

Hello there,
 
After talking to Ron Frazier, I realized there are at least 3 different  
over-riders that all appear to be the same looking from the front.
 
1) the normally seen one, a simple stamping held on by a carriage  bolt
2) an over-rider with a rather complex cage welded in the has fingers  
extending from the plate that 
     wrap around the inside face of the over-rider.  (Ron has one and took 
pictures)
3) an over-rider, thicker in main steel structure. with a simple  flat 
plate of steel brazed in the inside of 
    the over-rider that is tapped to receive  a fixing bolt
 
I panicked as I discussed my (#3) style as I hadn't noticed the threads on  
the plate. Ron brought up the fact that there was no way I could get a bolt 
 through from the inside and having a bolt the front face of the  
over-rider would prevent the rubber  buffers sitting correctly. I called  the chrome 
shop and he assured me that all three were tapped.
 
Whew!
 
More than you ever wanted to know about over-riders. Any other styles out  
there?
 
And yes, to prevent rust I will coat them with baby seal blubber from  
Maine in the winter.
 
Best regards,
      

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  
382002083
LRXFE

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Sep 24 14:44:21 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 16:44:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Over Riders
Message-ID: <4E7E4125.6060901@roadrunner.com>

Yes, blubber provides a wonderful barrier against the weather.  That's 
why they call them "seals", perhaps.

There is yet another iteration of over-riders that may not be familiar 
to Tiger owners.  These were the ones used on the Series I and II 
Alpines.  They did not have the rubber buffers and had a more rounded 
shape.  I believe they will bolt on to a Tiger, but I don't know why you 
would.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
TAC #864

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Sep 24 18:32:17 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 17:32:17 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Over-riders
In-Reply-To: <44d0.35400da1.3bae46f5@aol.com>
References: <44d0.35400da1.3bae46f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E7E7691.2030002@socal.rr.com>

Jim,
 From experience with my MG-TD, the "over-riders" in the British car 
give as much protection as the bumpers - NONE.  One's first encounter 
with an American car would be to be a large hammer of a front "bumper".  
The "guards", maybe even the Cadillac "Dagmar" variety (appropriately 
well named".  You will be picking up crushed bits and pieces.

They are there, not for protection, but because U.S. law required it.  
To make matters worse, the later MG's had "Rubber Baby" guards.

You want a well designed car, you would have to keep it in the garage.  
Oh, yes, the demon "Rust" never sleeps.

Those that live in climates that have ice on the road don't have to 
worry - they'll fall-off without a collision!

Steve (from the state that has no snow/ice where I am), don't even have 
to worry about the body rusting off.)


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 9/23/11 1:32 PM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> After talking to Ron Frazier, I realized there are at least 3 different
> over-riders that all appear to be the same looking from the front.
>
> 1) the normally seen one, a simple stamping held on by a carriage  bolt
> 2) an over-rider with a rather complex cage welded in the has fingers
> extending from the plate that
>       wrap around the inside face of the over-rider.  (Ron has one and took
> pictures)
> 3) an over-rider, thicker in main steel structure. with a simple  flat
> plate of steel brazed in the inside of
>      the over-rider that is tapped to receive  a fixing bolt
>
> I panicked as I discussed my (#3) style as I hadn't noticed the threads on
> the plate. Ron brought up the fact that there was no way I could get a bolt
>   through from the inside and having a bolt the front face of the
> over-rider would prevent the rubber  buffers sitting correctly. I called  the chrome
> shop and he assured me that all three were tapped.
>
> Whew!
>
> More than you ever wanted to know about over-riders. Any other styles out
> there?
>
> And yes, to prevent rust I will coat them with baby seal blubber from
> Maine in the winter.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Sep 24 20:16:40 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:16:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Over-riders
Message-ID: <17acb.40a08ae1.3bafe908@aol.com>

Hey guy!  Parts rust off?  You don't think  we drive them things in the 
snow do ya? We all got the 4 wheel drive with the  extended cabs for the 
winter....shotguns in the rear window.  Steve you  have led a sheltered life:-)
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/24/2011 10:04:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

Jim,
>From experience with my MG-TD, the "over-riders" in the  British car 
give as much protection as the bumpers - NONE.  One's  first encounter 
with an American car would be to be a large hammer of a  front "bumper".  
The "guards", maybe even the Cadillac "Dagmar"  variety (appropriately 
well named".  You will be picking up crushed  bits and pieces.

They are there, not for protection, but because U.S.  law required it.  
To make matters worse, the later MG's had "Rubber  Baby" guards.

You want a well designed car, you would have to keep it  in the garage.  
Oh, yes, the demon "Rust" never sleeps.

Those  that live in climates that have ice on the road don't have to 
worry -  they'll fall-off without a collision!

Steve (from the state that has no  snow/ice where I am), don't even have 
to worry about the body rusting  off.)


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/*  <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 9/23/11 1:32 PM,  Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> After talking to  Ron Frazier, I realized there are at least 3 different
> over-riders  that all appear to be the same looking from the front.
>
> 1) the  normally seen one, a simple stamping held on by a carriage  bolt
>  2) an over-rider with a rather complex cage welded in the has fingers
>  extending from the plate that
>       wrap around  the inside face of the over-rider.  (Ron has one and 
took
>  pictures)
> 3) an over-rider, thicker in main steel structure. with a  simple  flat
> plate of steel brazed in the inside of
>   the over-rider that is tapped to receive  a fixing  bolt
>
> I panicked as I discussed my (#3) style as I hadn't  noticed the threads 
on
> the plate. Ron brought up the fact that there  was no way I could get a 
bolt
>   through from the inside and  having a bolt the front face of the
> over-rider would prevent the  rubber  buffers sitting correctly. I called 
 the chrome
> shop  and he assured me that all three were tapped.
>
>  Whew!
>
> More than you ever wanted to know about over-riders. Any  other styles out
> there?
>
> And yes, to prevent rust I  will coat them with baby seal blubber from
> Maine in the  winter.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Jim   Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
>  LRXFE
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Sat Sep 24 21:33:23 2011
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 20:33:23 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car
Message-ID: <000001cc7b33$e14de9b0$a3e9bd10$@net>

The November, 2011 issue has a 6-page article on the Sunbeam Tiger in their
Marketplace Buyers' Guide.  A MKII is featured in the article.

 

Kirk

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 25 04:31:29 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:31:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Over-riders
In-Reply-To: <17acb.40a08ae1.3bafe908@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1316946689.18619.YahooMailClassic@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My Tiger B9472283 is rust free except exhaust clamps. I have  use Waxoyl on 
my machines and tools for thirty years...  Gary

--- On Sun, 9/25/11, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:

From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Over-riders
To: slaifman at socal.rr.com, Rollright at aol.com
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011, 2:16 AM

Hey guy!  Parts rust off?  You don't think  we drive them things in the
snow do ya? We all got the 4 wheel drive with the  extended cabs for the
winter....shotguns in the rear window.  Steve you  have led a sheltered
life:-)
Mark


In a message dated 9/24/2011 10:04:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

Jim,
>From experience with my MG-TD, the "over-riders" in the  British car
give as much protection as the bumpers - NONE.  One's  first encounter
with an American car would be to be a large hammer of a  front "bumper". 
The "guards", maybe even the Cadillac "Dagmar"  variety (appropriately
well named".  You will be picking up crushed  bits and pieces.

They are there, not for protection, but because U.S.  law required it. 
To make matters worse, the later MG's had "Rubber  Baby" guards.

You want a well designed car, you would have to keep it  in the garage. 
Oh, yes, the demon "Rust" never sleeps.

Those  that live in climates that have ice on the road don't have to
worry -  they'll fall-off without a collision!

Steve (from the state that has no  snow/ice where I am), don't even have
to worry about the body rusting  off.)


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/*  <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 9/23/11 1:32 PM,  Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> After talking to  Ron Frazier, I realized there are at least 3 different
> over-riders  that all appear to be the same looking from the front.
>
> 1) the  normally seen one, a simple stamping held on by a carriage  bolt
>  2) an over-rider with a rather complex cage welded in the has fingers
>  extending from the plate that
>       wrap around  the inside face of the over-rider.  (Ron has one and
took
>  pictures)
> 3) an over-rider, thicker in main steel structure. with a  simple  flat
> plate of steel brazed in the inside of
>   the over-rider that is tapped to receive  a fixing  bolt
>
> I panicked as I discussed my (#3) style as I hadn't  noticed the threads
on
> the plate. Ron brought up the fact that there  was no way I could get a
bolt
>   through from the inside and  having a bolt the front face of the
> over-rider would prevent the  rubber  buffers sitting correctly. I called
 the chrome
> shop  and he assured me that all three were tapped.
>
>  Whew!
>
> More than you ever wanted to know about over-riders. Any  other styles out
> there?
>
> And yes, to prevent rust I  will coat them with baby seal blubber from
> Maine in the  winter.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Jim   Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
>  LRXFE
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 25 10:46:15 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:46:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 260 Crank Trivia...
Message-ID: <4E7F5AD7.9070202@mayfco.com>

Ok, so I am putting together a hopefully high performance 260 motor. The 
engine class is really close to a stock 260 displacement, less tha 1/2 
cubic inch play. I have a 260 block that is very close to stock bore, 
see foot note for more info.  The crank I have courtesy of a Las Vegas 
friend has standard mains and rod journals.  Mains are 2.247 on all 5 of 
them and rod journals are 2.1225 vs 2.1232 OEM dimensions.  Here is the 
sum total of teh information on teh crank itself:
1.  C3AE-N
2. on the first counterweight ahead of teh 1&5 rod journal there is a   
"5C"
3. on the first counterweight ahead of the 1&5 rod journal there is a   "X"
4. On the second counterweight behind the 1&5 round journal there is a "5D"

There are no other numbers or letters on the crank.

The C3AE-N  is a 1963 Generic or Galaxie vehicle engine part. I have no 
clue as to the-N.
What does #2, #3, and #4 above   mean?

many thanks

mayf

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Sep 25 14:15:35 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:15:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 260 Crank Trivia...
In-Reply-To: <4E7F5AD7.9070202@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <0A76295540A64C5CB1EAE8F8A6B0171F@ronpc1>

Mayf
1	C3AE-N = this is the casting # representing C3AE-6303-N which is
Ford part # C3AZ-6303-F

2	Are you sure it is a 5C?  Is it by itself?  Sometimes there is a
harness number inside a triangle

3	X is a normal casting mark as is a 1M marking

4	5D as w/ #2; I don't have a good idea.  Are they cast in or struck?
Struck could be an inspection mark.

Information from Bob Mannel's Book - Mustang and Ford Small Block V8

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:46 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] 260 Crank Trivia...


Ok, so I am putting together a hopefully high performance 260 motor. The 
engine class is really close to a stock 260 displacement, less tha 1/2 
cubic inch play. I have a 260 block that is very close to stock bore, 
see foot note for more info.  The crank I have courtesy of a Las Vegas 
friend has standard mains and rod journals.  Mains are 2.247 on all 5 of 
them and rod journals are 2.1225 vs 2.1232 OEM dimensions.  Here is the 
sum total of teh information on teh crank itself:
1.  C3AE-N
2. on the first counterweight ahead of teh 1&5 rod journal there is a   
"5C"
3. on the first counterweight ahead of the 1&5 rod journal there is a   "X"
4. On the second counterweight behind the 1&5 round journal there is a "5D"

There are no other numbers or letters on the crank.

The C3AE-N  is a 1963 Generic or Galaxie vehicle engine part. I have no 
clue as to the-N.
What does #2, #3, and #4 above   mean?

many thanks

mayf

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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Sep 25 15:44:54 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:44:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] r
In-Reply-To: <1316946689.18619.YahooMailClassic@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1316946689.18619.YahooMailClassic@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E7FA0D6.6070607@socal.rr.com>

Mark,

You must have been thinking about rust.  I only discussed that my cars 
have no rust,  because we don't have any snow, so they don't salt the 
roads.

For those that deal with salt, as I did in Chicago, my Porsche 911s was 
on blocks in the garage until winter had past.  Bought a '65 Corvair to 
get around in.  However, for those that drive on salted roads pay the 
price.  I've even had the Porsche "Z-Barted".  I wanted to keep the 
inner door, etc. free from rust.  They don't even sell that stuff here.

The Tiger is rust free.

Steve


/Steve Laifman/

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On 9/25/11 3:31 AM, arado7 at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> My Tiger B9472283 is rust free except exhaust clamps. I have  use 
> Waxoyl on  my machines and tools for thirty years...  Gary
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/25/11, CoolVT at aol.com /<CoolVT at aol.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Over-riders
>     To: slaifman at socal.rr.com, Rollright at aol.com
>     Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>     Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011, 2:16 AM
>
>     Hey guy!  Parts rust off?  You don't think  we drive them things
>     in the
>     snow do ya? We all got the 4 wheel drive with the  extended cabs
>     for the
>     winter....shotguns in the rear window.  Steve you  have led a
>     sheltered life:-)
>     Mark
>
>
>     In a message dated 9/24/2011 10:04:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>     slaifman at socal.rr.com </mc/compose?to=slaifman at socal.rr.com> writes:
>
>     Jim,
>     From experience with my MG-TD, the "over-riders" in the  British car
>     give as much protection as the bumpers - NONE.  One's  first
>     encounter
>     with an American car would be to be a large hammer of a  front
>     "bumper".
>     The "guards", maybe even the Cadillac "Dagmar"  variety
>     (appropriately
>     well named".  You will be picking up crushed  bits and pieces.
>
>     They are there, not for protection, but because U.S.  law required
>     it.
>     To make matters worse, the later MG's had "Rubber  Baby" guards.
>
>     You want a well designed car, you would have to keep it  in the
>     garage.
>     Oh, yes, the demon "Rust" never sleeps.
>
>     Those  that live in climates that have ice on the road don't have to
>     worry -  they'll fall-off without a collision!
>
>     Steve (from the state that has no  snow/ice where I am), don't
>     even have
>     to worry about the body rusting  off.)
>
>
>     /Steve Laifman/
>
>     /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>
>
>
>
>     On 9/23/11 1:32 PM, Rollright at aol.com
>     </mc/compose?to=Rollright at aol.com> wrote:
>     > Hello there,
>     >
>     > After talking to  Ron Frazier, I realized there are at least 3
>     different
>     > over-riders  that all appear to be the same looking from the front.
>     >
>     > 1) the  normally seen one, a simple stamping held on by a
>     carriage  bolt
>     >  2) an over-rider with a rather complex cage welded in the has
>     fingers
>     >  extending from the plate that
>     >       wrap around  the inside face of the over-rider.  (Ron has
>     one and
>     took
>     >  pictures)
>     > 3) an over-rider, thicker in main steel structure. with a 
>     simple  flat
>     > plate of steel brazed in the inside of
>     >   the over-rider that is tapped to receive  a fixing  bolt
>     >
>     > I panicked as I discussed my (#3) style as I hadn't  noticed the
>     threads
>     on
>     > the plate. Ron brought up the fact that there  was no way I
>     could get a
>     bolt
>     >   through from the inside and  having a bolt the front face of the
>     > over-rider would prevent the  rubber  buffers sitting correctly.
>     I called
>     the chrome
>     > shop  and he assured me that all three were tapped.
>     >
>     >  Whew!
>     >
>     > More than you ever wanted to know about over-riders. Any  other
>     styles out
>     > there?
>     >
>     > And yes, to prevent rust I  will coat them with baby seal
>     blubber from
>     > Maine in the  winter.
>     >
>     > Best regards,
>     >
>     >
>     > Jim   Armstrong
>     > Mk 1A
>     > 382002083
>     >  LRXFE
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 25 18:16:39 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:16:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 260 Crank Trivia...
In-Reply-To: <0A76295540A64C5CB1EAE8F8A6B0171F@ronpc1>
References: <0A76295540A64C5CB1EAE8F8A6B0171F@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4E7FC467.8040504@mayfco.com>

I'll take a photo or two tomorrow and post them on my web site. The 5C 
and 5D could have been struck but they are really even, not like a hand 
stamp.  I wonder why it has no M marking as that is what is supposed to 
be with that casting number according to the parts books I looked at 
owned by the guy who gave it to me.  They are similar to the X. The X 
and 5C are on the same fromt counter weight but in different locations.

None of this matters to a hill of beans of course. It is gonna get used, 
no matter what, lol. Curiosity drives this..

Thanks for the info on the actual par number.  Iwill jump over to a part 
number decoder and see what additional info it says.

mayf


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On 9/25/2011 1:15 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Mayf
> 1	C3AE-N = this is the casting # representing C3AE-6303-N which is
> Ford part # C3AZ-6303-F
>
> 2	Are you sure it is a 5C?  Is it by itself?  Sometimes there is a
> harness number inside a triangle
>
> 3	X is a normal casting mark as is a 1M marking
>
> 4	5D as w/ #2; I don't have a good idea.  Are they cast in or struck?
> Struck could be an inspection mark.
>
> Information from Bob Mannel's Book - Mustang and Ford Small Block V8
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:46 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] 260 Crank Trivia...
>
>
> Ok, so I am putting together a hopefully high performance 260 motor. The
> engine class is really close to a stock 260 displacement, less tha 1/2
> cubic inch play. I have a 260 block that is very close to stock bore,
> see foot note for more info.  The crank I have courtesy of a Las Vegas
> friend has standard mains and rod journals.  Mains are 2.247 on all 5 of
> them and rod journals are 2.1225 vs 2.1232 OEM dimensions.  Here is the
> sum total of teh information on teh crank itself:
> 1.  C3AE-N
> 2. on the first counterweight ahead of teh 1&5 rod journal there is a
> "5C"
> 3. on the first counterweight ahead of the 1&5 rod journal there is a   "X"
> 4. On the second counterweight behind the 1&5 round journal there is a "5D"
>
> There are no other numbers or letters on the crank.
>
> The C3AE-N  is a 1963 Generic or Galaxie vehicle engine part. I have no
> clue as to the-N.
> What does #2, #3, and #4 above   mean?
>
> many thanks
>
> mayf

From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Sep 26 07:37:47 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 9:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor voltage
Message-ID: <20110926093747.TULMJ.1815159.imail@eastrmwml42>

Hey, guys:

How much voltage should get through the ballast resistor going to the points?  My multi-meter shows a full 12 volts going in and 10 volts coming out.  I was always under the impression that the resistor was supposed to cut the voltage to the points almost in half.  Which is correct?  

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK 
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Sep 26 09:15:41 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:15:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor voltage
In-Reply-To: <20110926093747.TULMJ.1815159.imail@eastrmwml42>
References: <20110926093747.TULMJ.1815159.imail@eastrmwml42>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EE985D2B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Hi Andy,
It should be about half, but only when the points are closed. When the points
are open then you're going to see 12V because there is no current flowing.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of awtiger at cox.net
> Sent: September 26, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor voltage
>
> Hey, guys:
>
> How much voltage should get through the ballast resistor going to the
> points?  My multi-meter shows a full 12 volts going in and 10 volts
> coming out.  I was always under the impression that the resistor was
> supposed to cut the voltage to the points almost in half.  Which is
> correct?
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
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From Carmods at aol.com  Mon Sep 26 09:27:18 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers]  Ballast resistor voltage
Message-ID: <52dca.62815e0.3bb1f3d6@aol.com>

Hi Andy,
 
The voltage at the resistor will be lower when the points are closed than  
when they are open due to the higher current going through it to the coil. 
 
    *   Put a jumper wire from points terminal on the coil to ground.  
    *   Measure the voltage between ground and the resistor to coil 
terminal  . As I remember, It should read around 6 to 6.9 volts.
 
 
 
awtiger at cox.net writes:

How much  voltage should get through the ballast resistor going to the  
points? 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Sep 26 10:11:26 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:11:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor voltage
References: <20110926093747.TULMJ.1815159.imail@eastrmwml42>
Message-ID: <BCE1B482A1E8474682BAA8ECC53C2D15@student2>

Andy,
  The voltage needed (desired) is dependent upon the coil used.  So, if your 
using a stock coil it should be what the factory dictated (sorry, I don't 
know that voltage).  If your using an aftermarket coil the resistance should 
be that spec-ed by the coil manufacturer.   If one is running a Pertronix 
module (many do) you need to be careful to wire that to switched 12 volts - 
and then have the output go through the resistor to the coil. A common error 
is to wire the Pertronix after the resistor and the voltage can be too low 
for it to operate properly.

Lastly, I recall the wire wound resistors actually having the voltage change 
as temperatures rise and fall (anyone confirm???).  Sorry I can't directly 
answer your 12V vs 10V question.  On the other hand I have dealt with a 
similar situation and found myself being "the dog chasing his tail" because 
there were many things to factor beyond that which seemed obvious. So, with 
that in mind I thought I would throw this out there.

Tom Witt



 Hey, guys:
>
> How much voltage should get through the ballast resistor going to the 
> points?  My multi-meter shows a full 12 volts going in and 10 volts coming 
> out.  I was always under the impression that the resistor was supposed to 
> cut the voltage to the points almost in half.  Which is correct?
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Sep 26 10:50:43 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:50:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor voltage
In-Reply-To: <20110926093747.TULMJ.1815159.imail@eastrmwml42>
Message-ID: <B47139CBD08E42CDAE09F608ABAA4AF0@ronpc1>

Andy
	I have always read 9 volts.  I see the Shop Manual states 6-7 volts
but you have to remember this is the stock coil, points and condenser
system.  I checked my Tiger and I see a 1 volt drop but my system is not
stock so all bet are off there.

	The Shop Manual has a section on the voltages in the stock ignition
system and it states 6.6 v at the ballast resistor when the points are
closed.

	The Ballast Resistor is around 2 ohms so your not going to see a big
drop in voltage.  I believe the voltage drop will vary some as the resistor
heats up as it will with other factors in the ignition system.     The stock
coil, points and condenser system is a tuned electrical circuit; beyond that
description - I'm not an electrical wizard.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of awtiger at cox.net
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:38 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor voltage


Hey, guys:

How much voltage should get through the ballast resistor going to the
points?  My multi-meter shows a full 12 volts going in and 10 volts coming
out.  I was always under the impression that the resistor was supposed to
cut the voltage to the points almost in half.  Which is correct?

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep 26 11:11:29 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:11:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 260 Crank Photos
Message-ID: <4E80B241.60602@mayfco.com>

As stated in my Crank trivia Question, here are the links to photgraphs:

http://www.mayfco.com/cranky1.jpg
http://www.mayfco.com/cranky2.jpg
http://www.mayfco.com/cranky3.jpg
http://www.mayfco.com/cranky4.jpg

cranky1 is just an overall view while the remaining photos show the sum 
total of marking on this crank.  This crank  will be destroked to 2.84 
inches and the journals turned to 0;020 undersize for the rods and maybe 
0.010 under for the mains.

mayf

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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 26 12:49:07 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:49:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor voltage
In-Reply-To: <B47139CBD08E42CDAE09F608ABAA4AF0@ronpc1>
References: <20110926093747.TULMJ.1815159.imail@eastrmwml42>
	<B47139CBD08E42CDAE09F608ABAA4AF0@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <1317062947.30102.YahooMailNeo@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Anyone not running a stock setup might want to make sure the syestem they have
does or does not make use of the ballast resistor. For example I have an
Accell electronic distributor and a few months after installation the engine
wouldnt start on occasion until it cooled off. I was stumped as I had power to
the dizzy after checking the BR- which was the very first problem I had with
my first Tiger not starting in 1972 and I had no idea what the darn thing was
or why it was there- anyway in time the engine finally would not start, even
after becoming cold. I reinstalled the old dizzy and called the Tech line at
one of the major parts suppliers( which one, I dont recall) and was informed I
had to supply 12 volts ALL the time to that syestem or the replaceable
electronic board for lack of the correct name would and had burned up from to
small voltage supply. Ive carried a spare since but have never had the problem
repeat- just had other owners ask why I had
 the BR by-passed.. 
 
Thanks Andyfor your post  as I learned the information
about what voltages where suppose to be with the points closed as I had just
always checked the resiatance at the BR and to make sure it was working.
TtT 
>
>
>Hey, guys:
>
>How much voltage should get through the ballast resistor
going to the
>points?  My multi-meter shows a full 12 volts going in and 10
volts coming
>out.  I was always under the impression that the resistor was
supposed to
>cut the voltage to the points almost in half.  Which is correct?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy Walker
>Edmond, OK
>B382001600LRXFE
>TAC #740
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Sep 26 13:17:50 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:17:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 260 Crank Photos
References: <4E80B241.60602@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <BA0405853D5B4C7CAFF4256C4AAEF30F@student2>

Mayf,

  I assume the destroke is to have a safety margin with the 260 being within 
half a CI of the rules.  What do you see as your final displacement?  Also, 
what is the record for the attempted class (just curious).

Tom Witt


> As stated in my Crank trivia Question, here are the links to photgraphs:
>
> http://www.mayfco.com/cranky1.jpg
> http://www.mayfco.com/cranky2.jpg
> http://www.mayfco.com/cranky3.jpg
> http://www.mayfco.com/cranky4.jpg
>
> cranky1 is just an overall view while the remaining photos show the sum 
> total of marking on this crank.  This crank  will be destroked to 2.84 
> inches and the journals turned to 0;020 undersize for the rods and maybe 
> 0.010 under for the mains.
>
> mayf
>
> -- 
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Mon Sep 26 15:49:38 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:49:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] New motor/ flat tappet cam break with motor outside car
In-Reply-To: <580357253.34724.1317070207105.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1117449206.38861.1317073778506.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi, I am seeking the collective wisdom of all willing to share. I plan to
finish my 347 project this weekend and want to break in the cam and check for
leaks before installing the motor in the car.



Candidly,B a separate dyno motor breakin is not an option for me.



Motor will be on stand that bolts toB motor mount holes.B Below is my setup
plan on paper. Comments please on any mistakes you see, errors of omission,
words of cautionB or better ideas.

B 

Connect separate mechanical oil pressure gauge to new motor with new line.

Run wire from new motor temp sender to old motor temp line.

Connect wires from new motor generator to corresponding wires that were
attached to old motor generator (now removed).

Run wires from new coil and distributor to corresponding wires where old coil
and distributor were connected (now removed).

Run heavy wire from solenoid in car to new motor starter (oldB starter
disconnected).

Run heavyB ground wire from new motor to old motor (probablyB old generator
bracket bolt hole on old motor).

Set up and connect radiator on home made holder with a box fan running in
front of it.

Connect flexible fuel line from front line filter outlet in car to new carb.

B 

Will start car from existing dash mounted ignition switch and set carb
throttle for steady rpm break in when ready.

B 

After set up, fillB pan with 30 weight oil with breakinB additive andB run oil
pump via primer rod through distributor hole to get oil into all passages. I
have read if youB spin the oil pump with an old distibutorB shaft, cam gear
removed, it will force oil up through the pushrod holes. Otherwise, that will
not happen during priming. True?

B 

BTW, I have had the lifters and roller B rockers sitting inB oil with break in
oil additive included. I understand I need to be sure the lifters are well
drainedB before installing to avoid static hydraulicB lockupB upon
starting.True?B 

B 

ThanksB in advance to all for any advice.

B 

Gene

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Mon Sep 26 18:13:47 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hemmings Tiger
Message-ID: <000501cc7caa$5428db30$6501a8c0@Brennan>

The TE/AE newsletter had mention of a photo of one of Steve Towle's
Tigers in a recent issue.  Talking to Steve last night, he hadn't seen
the photo and was wondering where it might have been from.  Does anyone
still have that issue?  Can you shed any light on it's origins?
 
Stu

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Mon Sep 26 19:03:13 2011
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:03:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: steering column rebuild
Message-ID: <2bb31.7b8e88cb.3bb27ad1@aol.com>

____________________________________
 
Subj: steering column rebuild


Does anyone have any experience with these adjustable column's. I can't  
stop mine from sliding up and down as I'm driving. If I tighten the center nut 
 more the shaft comes out so much that I can't put my center cap on. But 
she's  running sweet, sorry about that.     
 
              Beau

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 19:28:47 2011
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hemmings Tiger
In-Reply-To: <000501cc7caa$5428db30$6501a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000501cc7caa$5428db30$6501a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <2680899D0F5A4D14AE84DA633088F4BE@OfficePC>

There are a lot of different photos with the article but I don't see any
mention of who the owner is.  They do quote H. DeWayne Ashmead of Utah as an
owner of a Tiger (and a Cobra) but I'm not sure if he owns the blue MkII in
the article.  They also quote Norm Miller.  

Regards,
Joe Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:14 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Hemmings Tiger

The TE/AE newsletter had mention of a photo of one of Steve Towle's
Tigers in a recent issue.  Talking to Steve last night, he hadn't seen
the photo and was wondering where it might have been from.  Does anyone
still have that issue?  Can you shed any light on it's origins?
 
Stu
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 20:52:58 2011
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:52:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] New motor/ flat tappet cam break with motor outside car
In-Reply-To: <1117449206.38861.1317073778506.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <580357253.34724.1317070207105.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1117449206.38861.1317073778506.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <688B7A76A744403E9B5DDDD043DE6C75@DellD4700>

Gene,

I can only make a couple of comments since I started my engine in the car. It's
a lot easier to put a small block Ford in a Geo Tracker than in a Tiger!!

I got plenty of oil up through the push rods with a regular primer shaft from
Jeg's instead of an old distributor shaft. Mine is a roller engine rather than
flat tappet, but I can't see how it would make a difference.

Assuming the box fan is the usual 20" or so household type, I would try to get
it as close to the radiator as possible to force the air through the radiator.
I might even try to gently attach it with some cable ties.

Again, mine are roller lifters, but I made no attempt to drain them before
putting them in the engine with no apparent ill effects. I don't see how flat
tappet and roller lifters would differ in this regard.

Good luck. It's really a magic moment to hear an engine start the first time.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of genepadgett at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:50 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] New motor/ flat tappet cam break with motor outside car

Hi, I am seeking the collective wisdom of all willing to share. I plan to
finish my 347 project this weekend and want to break in the cam and check for
leaks before installing the motor in the car.



Candidly,B a separate dyno motor breakin is not an option for me.



Motor will be on stand that bolts toB motor mount holes.B Below is my setup
plan on paper. Comments please on any mistakes you see, errors of omission,
words of cautionB or better ideas.

B 

Connect separate mechanical oil pressure gauge to new motor with new line.

Run wire from new motor temp sender to old motor temp line.

Connect wires from new motor generator to corresponding wires that were
attached to old motor generator (now removed).

Run wires from new coil and distributor to corresponding wires where old coil
and distributor were connected (now removed).

Run heavy wire from solenoid in car to new motor starter (oldB starter
disconnected).

Run heavyB ground wire from new motor to old motor (probablyB old generator
bracket bolt hole on old motor).

Set up and connect radiator on home made holder with a box fan running in
front of it.

Connect flexible fuel line from front line filter outlet in car to new carb.

B 

Will start car from existing dash mounted ignition switch and set carb
throttle for steady rpm break in when ready.

B 

After set up, fillB pan with 30 weight oil with breakinB additive andB run oil
pump via primer rod through distributor hole to get oil into all passages. I
have read if youB spin the oil pump with an old distibutorB shaft, cam gear
removed, it will force oil up through the pushrod holes. Otherwise, that will
not happen during priming. True?

B 

BTW, I have had the lifters and roller B rockers sitting inB oil with break in
oil additive included. I understand I need to be sure the lifters are well
drainedB before installing to avoid static hydraulicB lockupB upon
starting.True?B 

B 

ThanksB in advance to all for any advice.

B 

Gene
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Sep 26 21:53:52 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:53:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: steering column rebuild
In-Reply-To: <2bb31.7b8e88cb.3bb27ad1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5C809FA84EF54140A7BC110FDF2C8C06@ronpc1>

Beau
	There is a picture of the steering column in the Shop Manual;
Section J, pg 4.
Shop Manual is online at TigersUnited.com if you don't have one.

I'm guessing that part #1, expander bolt, I call it the wedge has fallen off
the threaded rod.  The threaded rod should never come out so far that the
center cap doesn't fit.

I believe if you take the steering wheel off you can collapse the column and
push the threaded rod down to engage that wedge part and then pull it up
into position.   Once that is done the column should lock correctly into the
position you like.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE at aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: steering column rebuild


____________________________________

Subj: steering column rebuild


Does anyone have any experience with these adjustable column's. I can't
stop mine from sliding up and down as I'm driving. If I tighten the center
nut
 more the shaft comes out so much that I can't put my center cap on. But
she's  running sweet, sorry about that.

              Beau _______________________________________________

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From Carmods at aol.com  Tue Sep 27 08:09:14 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Priming
Message-ID: <1141d.518731d7.3bb3330a@aol.com>

Hi Gene,
 
Here are my answers to two of your questions.
 
 
After set up, fillB pan with 30 weight oil with breakinB additive  andB run 
oil
pump via primer rod through distributor hole to get oil into  all passages. 
I
have read if youB spin the oil pump with an old distibutorB  shaft, cam gear
removed, it will force oil up through the pushrod holes.  Otherwise, that 
will
not happen during priming. True?


Yes.  





BTW, I have had the lifters and roller B rockers sitting inB oil with  
break in
oil additive included. I understand I need to be sure the lifters  are well
drainedB before installing to avoid static hydraulicB lockupB  upon
starting.True?B 
 
No.   The lifters should fill up  when you do the priming above.


 
John logan

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Sep 27 09:28:47 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:28:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Priming
References: <1141d.518731d7.3bb3330a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C38ECEEBDEED43B8A45B8798FFC49191@student2>

>>>I have read if you spin the oil pump with an old distributor shaft, cam 
>>>gear removed, it will force oil up through the pushrod holes. Otherwise, 
>>>that  will not happen during priming. True?<<<

John,

 True for a small block Chevy. That engine uses the distributor hole as a 
galley crossover. The distributor body/block is machined accordingly.  I 
assume some leakage is allowed for the cam gear lubrication as the fit 
obviously needs some clearance.

 However, given the hex shaft for a small block Ford I wouldn't think there 
would be an issue. But I'm not sure. Last time I primed a SBF was back in... 
1976.

Tom Witt



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Carmods at aol.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:09 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Priming


> Hi Gene,
>
> Here are my answers to two of your questions.
>
>
> After set up, fillB pan with 30 weight oil with breakinB additive  andB 
> run
> oil
> pump via primer rod through distributor hole to get oil into  all 
> passages.
> I
> have read if youB spin the oil pump with an old distibutorB  shaft, cam 
> gear
> removed, it will force oil up through the pushrod holes.  Otherwise, that
> will
> not happen during priming. True?
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>
>
>
> BTW, I have had the lifters and roller B rockers sitting inB oil with
> break in
> oil additive included. I understand I need to be sure the lifters  are 
> well
> drainedB before installing to avoid static hydraulicB lockupB  upon
> starting.True?B
>
> No.   The lifters should fill up  when you do the priming above.
>
>
>
> John logan

From gharlowe at comcast.net  Tue Sep 27 10:04:25 2011
From: gharlowe at comcast.net (gharlowe at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:04:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Hemmings Tiger
In-Reply-To: <2680899D0F5A4D14AE84DA633088F4BE@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <24501620.86046.1317139465916.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Here's a little more background on H. DeWayne Ashmead's car collection,
including theB  blue MkII.B B  B 



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2050644294229913385 #



Cheers,



Graham Harlowe

B382001466



----- Original Message -----


From: "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
To: "Stu Brennan" <stubrennan at comcast.net>, Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hemmings Tiger

There are a lot of different photos with the article but I don't see any
mention of who the owner is. B They do quote H. DeWayne Ashmead of Utah as an
owner of a Tiger (and a Cobra) but I'm not sure if he owns the blue MkII in
the article. B They also quote Norm Miller. B 

Regards,
Joe Brown

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Wed Sep 28 17:58:32 2011
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:58:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger steering column problem
Message-ID: <293a3.444f4357.3bb50ea8@aol.com>

Does anyone have any experience with these adjustable column's. I  can't
stop mine from sliding up and down as I'm driving. If I tighten the  center
nut
more the shaft comes out so much that I can't put my center cap  on. But
she's  running sweet, sorry about that.

Beau
----------------
Beau,
 
I have rebuilt over 175 Tiger steering columns and you will probably have  
to remove it from the car, turn it upside down and shake it.  Hopefully,  
the center locking rod will "pop out" and you're in like Flynn.
 
It that doesn't work, you will have to "bang it" against your ceiling  to 
persuade the pin to drop out of the muck and/or rust in the bottom  of the 
shaft.
 
You're lucky: Alpine's use the same telescopic setup and it takes almost  
two-days of work to R&R a column to do the same thing in an  Alpine.  In a 
Tiger, its a one-hour R&R. 
 
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club  Seattle

From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Sep 30 16:00:39 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EE985D2B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
References: <20110926093747.TULMJ.1815159.imail@eastrmwml42>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EE985D2B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <15DA877E623547ECB6948903598B7925@awtigerPC>

Guys:

After all the stuff I've done to the Tiger ignition-wise to get it to quit 
stalling, I'm finding myself starting to consider other possibilities, such 
as vapor lock and fuel percolation.  To make a long story short, the car is 
leaving me on the side of the road when it's up to operating temp and warm 
outside.  It caughs and sputters and won't take any throttle at all at low 
rpm.  When I coast off to the side of the road and take off the air cleaner, 
I'm seeing what I would consider to be a large amount of vapor coming from 
the overflow tube (Holley 465 4 bbl).  It also periodically spits fuel from 
the center squirter down the throat of the carb.  From what I've read on the 
'Net, this sounds like a classic case of fuel percolation.  One other 
thing...the car will always start back up and run, but will not take any 
throttle or any low rpm load.  Also, when I manually open the throttle, I am 
rewarded with fuel squirts (at least I know it's got fuel in the carb at 
that point).

What I can't figure out is, if it is percolation, what has changed to make 
it do that?  I've made no changes to the fuel system of the car.  In fact, 
until the recent ignition tune-up, I'd made no changes to the car for many, 
many years.  It's never done this before.  The car is also running at the 
same temp it's always run at.  Could the gas we're getting nowadays be 
responsible for this?  I always run 91-octane premium (real gas, no ethanol) 
and have for years.  I've heard there is such a thing as "winter mix gas" 
and "summer mix gas" and that each have a different temperature at which 
they volatize.  Due to some serious drains on my time lately, the last time 
I filled the car up with fuel was in May.  Could I just simply have a load 
of "winter gas" that volatizes at a lower temperature?

Any suggestions???  Please somebody send me to school here...I'm beginning 
to feel really stupid.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Sep 29 17:46:35 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:46:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
Message-ID: <c8eb5.1caab0b1.3bb65d5b@aol.com>

Andy,
If you think that's the problem you can get a heat  spacer that goes under 
the carb for about $10 through Summit.  I was  getting the problem when I 
shut down....had a hard time restarting.  The  spacer solved the problem 100%.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/29/2011 7:09:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
awtiger at cox.net writes:

Guys:

After all the stuff I've done to the Tiger  ignition-wise to get it to quit 
stalling, I'm finding myself starting to  consider other possibilities, 
such 
as vapor lock and fuel  percolation.  To make a long story short, the car 
is 
leaving me on  the side of the road when it's up to operating temp and warm 
 
outside.  It caughs and sputters and won't take any throttle at all  at low 
rpm.  When I coast off to the side of the road and take off  the air 
cleaner, 
I'm seeing what I would consider to be a large amount of  vapor coming from 
the overflow tube (Holley 465 4 bbl).  It also  periodically spits fuel 
from 
the center squirter down the throat of the  carb.  From what I've read on 
the 
'Net, this sounds like a classic  case of fuel percolation.  One other 
thing...the car will always  start back up and run, but will not take any 
throttle or any low rpm  load.  Also, when I manually open the throttle, I 
am 
rewarded with  fuel squirts (at least I know it's got fuel in the carb at 
that  point).

What I can't figure out is, if it is percolation, what has  changed to make 
it do that?  I've made no changes to the fuel system  of the car.  In fact, 
until the recent ignition tune-up, I'd made no  changes to the car for 
many, 
many years.  It's never done this  before.  The car is also running at the 
same temp it's always run  at.  Could the gas we're getting nowadays be 
responsible for  this?  I always run 91-octane premium (real gas, no 
ethanol) 
and have  for years.  I've heard there is such a thing as "winter mix gas" 
and  "summer mix gas" and that each have a different temperature at which 
they  volatize.  Due to some serious drains on my time lately, the last 
time  
I filled the car up with fuel was in May.  Could I just simply have a  load 
of "winter gas" that volatizes at a lower temperature?

Any  suggestions???  Please somebody send me to school here...I'm beginning 
 
to feel really stupid.

Andy Walker
Edmond,  OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC  #740
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Sep 30 17:58:36 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:58:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
In-Reply-To: <c8eb5.1caab0b1.3bb65d5b@aol.com>
References: <c8eb5.1caab0b1.3bb65d5b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <83F934671F224FEBB788A449B60D016F@awtigerPC>

Mark:

I had already considered that possibility.  However, I'm running an Edelbrock
F4B high-rise intake and I've already measured the space between the air
cleaner and the hood...no room for any kind of a spacer.  Even a 1/4" spacer
under the carb will put the air cleaner right up against the hood.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: CoolVT at aol.com
  To: awtiger at cox.net ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation


  Andy,
  If you think that's the problem you can get a heat spacer that goes under
the carb for about $10 through Summit.  I was getting the problem when I shut
down....had a hard time restarting.  The spacer solved the problem 100%.
  Mark

  In a message dated 9/29/2011 7:09:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
awtiger at cox.net writes:
    Guys:

    After all the stuff I've done to the Tiger ignition-wise to get it to quit
    stalling, I'm finding myself starting to consider other possibilities,
such
    as vapor lock and fuel percolation.  To make a long story short, the car
is
    leaving me on the side of the road when it's up to operating temp and warm
    outside.  It caughs and sputters and won't take any throttle at all at low
    rpm.  When I coast off to the side of the road and take off the air
cleaner,
    I'm seeing what I would consider to be a large amount of vapor coming from
    the overflow tube (Holley 465 4 bbl).  It also periodically spits fuel
from
    the center squirter down the throat of the carb.  From what I've read on
the
    'Net, this sounds like a classic case of fuel percolation.  One other
    thing...the car will always start back up and run, but will not take any
    throttle or any low rpm load.  Also, when I manually open the throttle, I
am
    rewarded with fuel squirts (at least I know it's got fuel in the carb at
    that point).

    What I can't figure out is, if it is percolation, what has changed to make
    it do that?  I've made no changes to the fuel system of the car.  In fact,
    until the recent ignition tune-up, I'd made no changes to the car for
many,
    many years.  It's never done this before.  The car is also running at the
    same temp it's always run at.  Could the gas we're getting nowadays be
    responsible for this?  I always run 91-octane premium (real gas, no
ethanol)
    and have for years.  I've heard there is such a thing as "winter mix gas"
    and "summer mix gas" and that each have a different temperature at which
    they volatize.  Due to some serious drains on my time lately, the last
time
    I filled the car up with fuel was in May.  Could I just simply have a load
    of "winter gas" that volatizes at a lower temperature?

    Any suggestions???  Please somebody send me to school here...I'm beginning
    to feel really stupid.

    Andy Walker
    Edmond, OK
    B382001600LRXFE
    TAC #740
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Sep 29 18:11:24 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:11:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
Message-ID: <c9b2f.79085525.3bb6632c@aol.com>

Exactly what I ran into with the same intake.   The Edelbrock spacers are 
about 0.3".  It was just enough for my stock air  cleaner to hit when it 
cleared before.  Now my hood is propped up.  
Would be nice to try one to see if that solved the  problem.  If so, maybe 
there is another method to cure the woe. Did you say  that you checked to be 
sure the float wasn't sticking open? Funny how it began  happening when it 
was okay before.  Can't see how it can be heat related  when you haven't 
changed anything.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/29/2011 8:01:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
awtiger at cox.net writes:

Mark:
 
I had already considered that possibility.  However,  I'm running an 
Edelbrock F4B high-rise intake and I've already measured the  space between the 
air cleaner and the hood...no room for any kind of a  spacer.  Even a 1/4" 
spacer under the carb will put the air cleaner right  up against the hood.  
 
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _CoolVT at aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT at aol.com)  
To: _awtiger at cox.net_ (mailto:awtiger at cox.net)  ; _tigers at autox.team.net_ 
(mailto:tigers at autox.team.net)  
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:46  PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel  percolation


Andy,
If you think that's the problem you can get a heat  spacer that goes under 
the carb for about $10 through Summit.  I was  getting the problem when I 
shut down....had a hard time restarting.   The spacer solved the problem 100%.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/29/2011 7:09:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_awtiger at cox.net_ (mailto:awtiger at cox.net)  writes:

Guys:

After all the stuff I've done to the Tiger  ignition-wise to get it to quit 
stalling, I'm finding myself starting  to consider other possibilities, 
such 
as vapor lock and fuel  percolation.  To make a long story short, the car 
is 
leaving me  on the side of the road when it's up to operating temp and warm 
 
outside.  It caughs and sputters and won't take any throttle at  all at low 
rpm.  When I coast off to the side of the road and  take off the air 
cleaner, 
I'm seeing what I would consider to be a  large amount of vapor coming from 
the overflow tube (Holley 465 4  bbl).  It also periodically spits fuel 
from 
the center squirter  down the throat of the carb.  From what I've read on 
the 
'Net,  this sounds like a classic case of fuel percolation.  One other  
thing...the car will always start back up and run, but will not take  any 
throttle or any low rpm load.  Also, when I manually open the  throttle, I 
am 
rewarded with fuel squirts (at least I know it's got  fuel in the carb at 
that point).

What I can't figure out is, if  it is percolation, what has changed to make 
it do that?  I've  made no changes to the fuel system of the car.  In fact, 
until  the recent ignition tune-up, I'd made no changes to the car for 
many,  
many years.  It's never done this before.  The car is also  running at the 
same temp it's always run at.  Could the gas we're  getting nowadays be 
responsible for this?  I always run 91-octane  premium (real gas, no 
ethanol) 
and have for years.  I've heard  there is such a thing as "winter mix gas" 
and "summer mix gas" and  that each have a different temperature at which 
they volatize.   Due to some serious drains on my time lately, the last 
time 
I filled  the car up with fuel was in May.  Could I just simply have a load 
 
of "winter gas" that volatizes at a lower temperature?

Any  suggestions???  Please somebody send me to school here...I'm  
beginning 
to feel really stupid.

Andy Walker
Edmond,  OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC  #740
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Sep 29 23:15:29 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:15:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
References: <c8eb5.1caab0b1.3bb65d5b@aol.com>
	<83F934671F224FEBB788A449B60D016F@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <930A3A3D04574CA68AAC72C40F336524@student2>

Andy,

  Does your exhaust system have a diverter valve to direct exhaust gases to 
heat the floor of the intake manifold? If so, the valve could be stuck shut. 
This could generate excessive heat under the carburetor.

Tom 

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Sep 30 09:20:05 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:20:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
In-Reply-To: <15DA877E623547ECB6948903598B7925@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <CCF1F13CDCFE44C8B475BA75506C1767@ronpc1>

Andy
	Any time you think you have a carb problem the 1st thing to check is
your timing and advance curve and make sure the timing always comes back to
the initial timing point.  I have seen this advice in a few articles that
most carb problems are really ignition and timing problems and I now agree
with that statement.

	I have been working on some similar problems with my Tiger, low rpm
feels wrong, lethargic and wanted to stall until I step on it then it goes.
My problem was the after market fuel pump gave up after 20 yrs.  Fortunately
it totally died in my garage and not out on the road.  I suspected the carb
idle circuit and the main jet where also contaminated.  I found many small
particles of whatever in the carb.  I had to remove and clean the 2bbl carb
plus I replaced the fuel filter.  I tapped on the removed fuel filter, more
particles fell out.

	The engine now feels and sounds better at low rpm and idle but it
still needs more work.   I need to tune the carb and engine to run better on
the 10% alcohol fuel we are now forced to buy here in NY State.

	Alcohol can be good and bad in older cars.  Good at cleaning
deposits out of the fuel system and give a bit of an octane boost; bad that
it can also dissolve rubber parts, gaskets and some older fuel filters, so
I've read.  The point here is to be aware of some of these problems with
alcohol fuels.

Good luck with your situation.   It most likely is a combination of several
small problems that you need to step through which you are doing.    Assume
nothing and take nothing for granted until you find the real source of the
problem.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of awtiger
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:01 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation


Guys:

After all the stuff I've done to the Tiger ignition-wise to get it to quit
stalling, I'm finding myself starting to consider other possibilities, such
as vapor lock and fuel percolation.  To make a long story short, the car is
leaving me on the side of the road when it's up to operating temp and warm
outside.  It caughs and sputters and won't take any throttle at all at low
rpm.  When I coast off to the side of the road and take off the air cleaner,

I'm seeing what I would consider to be a large amount of vapor coming from
the overflow tube (Holley 465 4 bbl).  It also periodically spits fuel from
the center squirter down the throat of the carb.  From what I've read on the

'Net, this sounds like a classic case of fuel percolation.  One other
thing...the car will always start back up and run, but will not take any
throttle or any low rpm load.  Also, when I manually open the throttle, I am

rewarded with fuel squirts (at least I know it's got fuel in the carb at
that point).

What I can't figure out is, if it is percolation, what has changed to make
it do that?  I've made no changes to the fuel system of the car.  In fact,
until the recent ignition tune-up, I'd made no changes to the car for many,
many years.  It's never done this before.  The car is also running at the
same temp it's always run at.  Could the gas we're getting nowadays be
responsible for this?  I always run 91-octane premium (real gas, no ethanol)

and have for years.  I've heard there is such a thing as "winter mix gas"
and "summer mix gas" and that each have a different temperature at which
they volatize.  Due to some serious drains on my time lately, the last time
I filled the car up with fuel was in May.  Could I just simply have a load
of "winter gas" that volatizes at a lower temperature?

Any suggestions???  Please somebody send me to school here...I'm beginning
to feel really stupid.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Sep 30 10:08:05 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:08:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
In-Reply-To: <CCF1F13CDCFE44C8B475BA75506C1767@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <20110930120805.HX2NX.1929316.imail@eastrmwml37>

Ron:

Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll double-check the advance on the timing before we get it out to drive tomorrow.  I've already been through the fuel system and have determined that I have a good pump, a good fuel filter and nothing in the tanks but gas.  That is why I suspected that, if it was still a fuel problem, it had to be heat-related. 

Thanks and I'll keep everybody posted as to what we find,
Andy

----  Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: 
> Andy
> 	Any time you think you have a carb problem the 1st thing to check is
> your timing and advance curve and make sure the timing always comes back to
> the initial timing point.  I have seen this advice in a few articles that
> most carb problems are really ignition and timing problems and I now agree
> with that statement.
> 
> 	I have been working on some similar problems with my Tiger, low rpm
> feels wrong, lethargic and wanted to stall until I step on it then it goes.
> My problem was the after market fuel pump gave up after 20 yrs.  Fortunately
> it totally died in my garage and not out on the road.  I suspected the carb
> idle circuit and the main jet where also contaminated.  I found many small
> particles of whatever in the carb.  I had to remove and clean the 2bbl carb
> plus I replaced the fuel filter.  I tapped on the removed fuel filter, more
> particles fell out.
>    
> 	The engine now feels and sounds better at low rpm and idle but it
> still needs more work.   I need to tune the carb and engine to run better on
> the 10% alcohol fuel we are now forced to buy here in NY State.
> 
> 	Alcohol can be good and bad in older cars.  Good at cleaning
> deposits out of the fuel system and give a bit of an octane boost; bad that
> it can also dissolve rubber parts, gaskets and some older fuel filters, so
> I've read.  The point here is to be aware of some of these problems with
> alcohol fuels.
> 
> Good luck with your situation.   It most likely is a combination of several
> small problems that you need to step through which you are doing.    Assume
> nothing and take nothing for granted until you find the real source of the
> problem.
> 
> Ron Fraser

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 30 12:00:17 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:00:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
In-Reply-To: <20110930120805.HX2NX.1929316.imail@eastrmwml37>
Message-ID: <1317405617.60533.YahooMailClassic@web160711.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Andy,
 
Where is your fuel line located relative to your exhaust system? Has it been
moved or bumped somehow and is now closer to your hot exhaust manifold?
 
When I restored my Tiger I placed my fuel filter next to the output side of
the fuel pump, flipped the fuel inlet on my Holley to come in from the back of
the engine, and ran my fuel line up the back side of the bellhousing. It's a
shorter run and does not get close to the exhaust system. Granted my fuel pump
is still in the original location under the rear shelf, but I also run heat
shields on my mufflers.
 
Gary

From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Sep 30 12:59:56 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:59:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
In-Reply-To: <1317405617.60533.YahooMailClassic@web160711.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110930145956.Q0SVX.1931942.imail@eastrmwml37>

Gary:

Good question.  I haven't noticed any difference in where the fuel line is
compared to where it was the last time I saw it, but it's worth a look.

Thanks,
Andy

---- Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Andy,
> B 
> Where is your fuel line located relative to your exhaust system? Has it been
moved or bumped somehow and is now closer to your hot exhaust manifold?
> B 
> WhenB I restored my Tiger I placed my fuel filter next to the output side of
the fuel pump, flipped the fuel inlet on my Holley to come in from the back of
the engine, and ran my fuel line up the back side of the bellhousing. It's a
shorter run and does not get close to the exhaust system.B GrantedB my fuel
pump is still in the original location under the rear shelf, but I also run
heat shields on my mufflers.
> B 
> Gary

From rssmithiq at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 12:41:57 2011
From: rssmithiq at gmail.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:41:57 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] Test
Message-ID: <4E6FA3D9.8070806@gmail.com>

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From: rssmithiq at gmail.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:52:29 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] Test
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From: rssmithiq at gmail.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 21:04:58 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] Test
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