From crbernardino at mac.com  Sun Oct  2 23:14:24 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:14:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Installed
Message-ID: <713A15DD-5175-4467-B139-55B2CBC27A03@mac.com>

Here is the final installation of my fuel cell. I had help from my little mechanic, Trevor, who will be 4 in 2 weeks.
The photo of the cell installed does not show a vent tube which I looped and installed exiting in the 'tire well'

One issue remains, though. I hooked up the fuel sending unit in the cell and the gauge only read 2 gallons. Is there some calibration on the back of the gauge?
Thanks
Rob


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TAC# 0519

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 01:00:48 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:00:48 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Installed
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References: <713A15DD-5175-4467-B139-55B2CBC27A03@mac.com>
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you might want to get some isolator rubbers on the fuel pump, the ones like
they use for exhausts or the msd/crane ignition boxes.. your bults will make
aloud vibration on the vertical panel its mounted to.... i have the same
setup.. and it hammers/hums away.




On 3 October 2011 16:14, Rob Bernardino <crbernardino at mac.com> wrote:

> Here is the final installation of my fuel cell. I had help from my little
> mechanic, Trevor, who will be 4 in 2 weeks.
> The photo of the cell installed does not show a vent tube which I looped
> and installed exiting in the 'tire well'
>
> One issue remains, though. I hooked up the fuel sending unit in the cell
> and the gauge only read 2 gallons. Is there some calibration on the back of
> the gauge?
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>
> http://gallery.me.com/crbernardino#100499&bgcolor=black&view=grid
>
> Rob in Carmel, CA
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Oct  3 08:06:58 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Installed
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References: <713A15DD-5175-4467-B139-55B2CBC27A03@mac.com>
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Nicely done! How does the battery box  get secured in the P side fender 
space?  And can I borrow Trevor? I dropped some wrenches in the race car 
engine compartment and he is the correct size to retrieve them.

mayf

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On 10/2/2011 10:14 PM, Rob Bernardino wrote:
> Here is the final installation of my fuel cell. I had help from my little mechanic, Trevor, who will be 4 in 2 weeks.
> The photo of the cell installed does not show a vent tube which I looped and installed exiting in the 'tire well'
>
> One issue remains, though. I hooked up the fuel sending unit in the cell and the gauge only read 2 gallons. Is there some calibration on the back of the gauge?
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>
> http://gallery.me.com/crbernardino#100499&bgcolor=black&view=grid
>
> Rob in Carmel, CA
> 1966 Mk1A Tiger
> B382000262 LRXFE
> JAL660245
> Color Code 39: Carnival Red
> TAC# 0519
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From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com  Mon Oct  3 15:26:22 2011
From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, T.P. (Timothy))
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:26:22 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger or Alpine in an Ad
Message-ID: <1E5F750DA2A99748909713C645CDBDA501320727BD36@AMDCG61.d30.intra>

Just saw and Ad in the October Issue of the Canadian Westjet in flight
Brochure/Publication that looks like an alpine but could be a tiger ... Just
thought I would let the group know that still see current ads with Sunbeams.
Green one Photoshopped into an Ad.

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From rande at thecia.net  Tue Oct  4 08:42:12 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:42:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] TEAE United 2011
Message-ID: <4e8b1b44.1adc.0@thecia.net>

Hi,
Could someone send me the name and phone number for the hotel in French Lick,
IN. Turns out I'm going, after all.

RB

From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Oct  4 10:51:21 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:51:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] TEAE United 2011
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It's all on the website:

http://www.rootesamerica.org/

Hotel:

http://www.rootesamerica.org/hotel/


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Hi,
Could someone send me the name and phone number for the hotel in French
Lick, IN. Turns out I'm going, after all.

RB
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From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com  Tue Oct  4 11:05:23 2011
From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt Hoffman)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:05:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] TEAE United 2011
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The French Lick Springs Hotel is 1-888-936-9360. Not sure if the United rate
is still in force or not since we are past the date for holding the rooms
but certainly worth a shot. Mention 1011Sun as the code for TigersEast
Alpines East to check to get the rate. Rooms were $139 during the holding
period at least. 

Curt

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Hi,
Could someone send me the name and phone number for the hotel in French
Lick, IN. Turns out I'm going, after all.

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From rande at thecia.net  Tue Oct  4 19:38:54 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 21:38:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] United - Thanks
Message-ID: <4e8bb52e.4feb.0@thecia.net>

Thanks to all who posted info about the TEAE 2011 United. See you there.
rb

From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Oct  5 16:37:10 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:37:10 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?
Message-ID: <3a68615278b8a9a1af1ee410cbc96fe9@frii.com>

Does anyone know offhand which midget steering rack is used for Dales 
kit?  It looks like they are different for early vs late models.

Thanks,
Bob

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 18:00:49 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:00:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?
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early.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know offhand which midget steering rack is used for Dales kit?
>  It looks like they are different for early vs late models.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Oct  5 18:04:48 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:04:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?
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They ARE different.  He uses the EARLY one..


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Subject: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?

Does anyone know offhand which midget steering rack is used for Dales 
kit?  It looks like they are different for early vs late models.

Thanks,
Bob
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From glowboy at starstream.net  Wed Oct  5 19:50:34 2011
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Wed,  5 Oct 2011 18:50:34 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?
Message-ID: <201110051850.AA275382482@mail.starstream.net>

I have a kit and a rack AND my youngest left for college a few 
weeks ago.  So ... it is within the realm of possibility I might 
actually work on the car this fall / winter / spring.  Is there 
a "write up" anywhere with useful do's & don'ts?

Derrick
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>early.
>
>On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com> 
wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know offhand which midget steering rack is used 
for Dales kit?
>>  It looks like they are different for early vs late models.
>>
>> Thanks,
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From genepadgett at comcast.net  Wed Oct  5 20:32:31 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 02:32:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?
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Hi, I saw somewhere recently that Dale has been out of the kits for a couple
of years now. D id he have another run made? If you do not have one yet you
might want to check on that before chasing nown one of the early MG Midget
racks . I understand soneone inB  England also makes a conversion kit, if you
can't get one from D ale.



Gene



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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?

They ARE different. B He uses the EARLY one..


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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:37:10 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?

Does anyone know offhand which midget steering rack is used for Dales
kit? B It looks like they are different for early vs late models.

Thanks,
Bob
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Oct  6 16:04:47 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:04:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale, Calgary area
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EEBC9CAD@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Not mine!

On the surface this seems like a decent deal, but it does look like some of
the body prep needs re-doing. I don't know the owner... If I had time to even
look at my own Tiger at this point I'd think hard about adding this one to the
stable.

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1964-Sunbeam-Tiger-W0QQ
AdIdZ316684185

Theo





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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Oct  6 20:14:08 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:14:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Which midget steering rack?
References: <1014978324.476564.1317868351296.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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The later Midget rack has smaller rods. As such a kit like Dale's will not 
work.  If I recall correctly the kit also requires two of the same threaded 
tie rod ends. Whether Dale sold the kit with them or you need to purchase 
two sets (to make one) I do not know.

FYI, I have mocked up the later rack to the Tiger and have actually used the 
Midget mounts to secure it. Using two Midget clamps per side with small 
spaces under the bottom clamp (to position it off the crossmember) worked. 
What I lacked was the adapter/extensions to connect the rods to the tie rod 
ends.  Maybe some day my machinist son will... .

Tom 

From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Oct  6 20:54:11 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:54:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation
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Message-ID: <A42E325E5F9C4E8C92FB38DDB6573FA1@awtigerPC>

Guys:

First of all, thanks a million for all the great suggestions I received while
working on the stalling problem with my Tiger.  As of last Saturday, it looks
like we might have it figured out.  I will be the first to admit, however,
that I'm not 100% sure it's totally fixed, but I'm sure enough to feel
comfortable getting it out for a drive.

As it turns out, it appears that it was, indeed, fuel percolation in the carb.
There were variables to the test drive, however.  The ambient air temp was
eighteen degrees lower than it was the day the car decided to quit running.  I
also drained all the old gas in case I had a load of bad fuel.  The main thing
I did, however, was to re-route the fuel line that feeds the carb.  I don't
have the original Ford carburetor metal fuel line on mine since I run a Holley
4 barrel, so I have to use rubber fuel hose.  I ended up lengthening the hose
and re-routing it away from the heater hoses as much as possible.  I also was
going to try a 1/4" carb spacer gasket but there's no room under the hood for
that (Edelbrock F4B, Holley 465 4 bbl and factory air cleaner).  Anyway, the
bottom line is that we took it out and drove the crap out of it, even letting
it sit for a few minutes during the drive to get really heat soaked, and it
never missed a beat.

So, bad gas?  Too much heat on the fuel line?  I'm not sure what it was, but
all I know is that the Tiger is back!!!!!!!  Thanks again for all the help and
I'll keep you posted on how it's going.

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740
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  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vapor lock/fuel percolation


        Andy,

        Where is your fuel line located relative to your exhaust system? Has
it been moved or bumped somehow and is now closer to your hot exhaust
manifold?

        When I restored my Tiger I placed my fuel filter next to the output
side of the fuel pump, flipped the fuel inlet on my Holley to come in from the
back of the engine, and ran my fuel line up the back side of the bellhousing.
It's a shorter run and does not get close to the exhaust system. Granted my
fuel pump is still in the original location under the rear shelf, but I also
run heat shields on my mufflers.

        Gary

From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Oct  7 08:14:29 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:14:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale, Calgary area
Message-ID: <4035c.1b89ddca.3bc06345@aol.com>

"It is a transition car with the underbored Ford 289ci rather than  the 
260ci V8."
 
Anyone know what this sentence from the ad  means?

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Oct  7 08:21:27 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale, Calgary area
In-Reply-To: <4035c.1b89ddca.3bc06345@aol.com>
References: <4035c.1b89ddca.3bc06345@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EEBC9CE0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Not really... Looking at the pictures, it has the holes for the sunbeam
lettering in the front, and as I understand it that was one of the first
things to go when they were transitioning to the series V body. Don't know
what the VIN is.



From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: October 7, 2011 8:14 AM
To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale, Calgary area



 "It is a transition car with the underbored Ford 289ci rather than the 260ci
V8."

Anyone know what this sentence from the ad means?

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Oct  7 14:41:23 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:41:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale, Calgary area
In-Reply-To: <4035c.1b89ddca.3bc06345@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AF10A7A8C2D4163B8C310287BDF3AEF@ronpc1>

 If your talking about the underbored 289; that has no meaning no meaning to
me.
If the owner of that Tiger had included the casting # of the engine then we
would know what block he has and what cu. In.

The 260 block casting was changed to be consistent with the 289 5 bolt
casting in Jan 1963; these 2 blocks therefore look similar.   The block
casting number is the key.  This could be where the confusion lies in this
ad.

Ron Fraser

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"It is a transition car with the underbored Ford 289ci rather than  the 
260ci V8."
 
Anyone know what this sentence from the ad  means?
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Oct  7 17:30:30 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 23:30:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale, Calgary area
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The ad shows that the owner knows something or two about Sunbeam Tigers but
he has old information.
The Chittendon book "Performance Tuning Sunbeam Tiger" said that some late
Tigers came with a 289 block that was only bored to 260 specs.  He recommended
that you can bore it and make your Tiger 260 into a 289.   Sometimes it worked but
as even Norm (IIRC the story is in the BON) found out most bore jobs including
Norm's own did not work, ruining the original Tiger block.
Also, IIRC, ALL Tigers have this block which Ron points out was changed in 1963
before any Tigers had been made.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: CoolVT at aol.com, Theo Smit <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:41:23 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale, Calgary area

 If your talking about the underbored 289; that has no meaning no meaning to
me.
If the owner of that Tiger had included the casting # of the engine then we
would know what block he has and what cu. In.

The 260 block casting was changed to be consistent with the 289 5 bolt
casting in Jan 1963; these 2 blocks therefore look similar.   The block
casting number is the key.  This could be where the confusion lies in this
ad.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 10:14 AM
To: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale, Calgary area


"It is a transition car with the underbored Ford 289ci rather than  the 
260ci V8."
 
Anyone know what this sentence from the ad  means?
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Oct  7 20:51:59 2011
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 22:51:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Item # 250904678601
Message-ID: <15491.5bf8879c.3bc114cf@aol.com>

Anyone know of this car on e-bay?

From crabco at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 11 09:50:55 2011
From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:50:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
Message-ID: <011501cc882d$900cb700$b0262500$@ca>

Hello,

 

Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground strap
that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor pan?

 

Thank you,

 

Tim

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Oct 11 11:31:56 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:31:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
In-Reply-To: <011501cc882d$900cb700$b0262500$@ca>
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On mine, the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the Alpine
transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to bellhousing
bolt. I think both were on the passenger side though.

Theo

>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
> strap
> that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor pan?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>


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From e.coiner at cox.net  Tue Oct 11 12:55:45 2011
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:55:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
In-Reply-To: <011501cc882d$900cb700$b0262500$@ca>
Message-ID: <20111011145545.75ADS.2242387.imail@fed1rmwml35>

On the engine I use one of the bolts holding the clutch slave cylinder.
Can't recall where the other end attaches to the body.

Erich
---- Tim Webster <crabco at shaw.ca> wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
>  
> 
> Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground strap
> that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor pan?
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> 
> Tim
> _______________________________________________

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct 11 13:46:06 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:46:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
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Message-ID: <663004287.709719.1318362366718.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Alpine transmission crossmember MOUNTING bolt hole (no bracket on Tiger ;-)   ).
Engine side is by the bolt that holds the clutch slave on mine...

Gary

----- Original Message -----
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To: Tim Webster <crabco at shaw.ca>, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:31:56 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?

On mine, the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the Alpine
transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to bellhousing
bolt. I think both were on the passenger side though.

Theo

>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
> strap
> that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor pan?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>


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From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Oct 11 13:52:06 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
Message-ID: <2b312.16be5a44.3bc5f866@aol.com>

Mine was like that, but on the driver's side.  I  think mine was pretty 
original.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/11/2011 3:36:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

On mine,  the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the  Alpine
transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to  
bellhousing
bolt. I think both were on the passenger side  though.

Theo

>
> Hello,
>
>
>
>  Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
>  strap
> that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor  pan?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
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From sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Tue Oct 11 14:02:42 2011
From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com (sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:02:42 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
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	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EEBC9FF9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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Mine are like Theo's but on the driver's side.

Steve Halbrook
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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:31:56 
To: Tim Webster<crabco at shaw.ca>; tigers at autox.team.net<tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?

On mine, the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the Alpine
transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to bellhousing
bolt. I think both were on the passenger side though.

Theo

>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
> strap
> that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor pan?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>


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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Oct 11 14:05:08 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:05:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
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The consensus seems to be driver's side. Either mine got switched somewhere
along the way or I just had my sides mixed up due to the under-the-car
viewpoint.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: October 11, 2011 2:03 PM
> To: Smit, Theo; tigers-bounces at autox.team.net; Tim Webster;
> tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?
>
> Mine are like Theo's but on the driver's side.
>
> Steve Halbrook
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
> Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:31:56
> To: Tim Webster<crabco at shaw.ca>;
> tigers at autox.team.net<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?
>
> On mine, the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the
> Alpine
> transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to
> bellhousing
> bolt. I think both were on the passenger side though.
>
> Theo
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
> > strap
> > that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor pan?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
>
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From crabco at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 11 15:00:26 2011
From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:00:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
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Thanks to all. Got the original strap hooked up to the Alpine tranny bracket
and the clutch slave on the driver's side and it looks right.
Tim

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: October-11-11 1:05 PM
To: sjhcobra1 at cs.com; tigers-bounces at autox.team.net; Tim Webster;
tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ground strap?

The consensus seems to be driver's side. Either mine got switched somewhere
along the way or I just had my sides mixed up due to the under-the-car
viewpoint.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com [mailto:sjhcobra1 at cs.com]
> Sent: October 11, 2011 2:03 PM
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>
> Mine are like Theo's but on the driver's side.
>
> Steve Halbrook
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
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> Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:31:56
> To: Tim Webster<crabco at shaw.ca>;
> tigers at autox.team.net<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?
>
> On mine, the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the
> Alpine
> transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to
> bellhousing
> bolt. I think both were on the passenger side though.
>
> Theo
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
> > strap
> > that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor pan?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
>
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Oct 11 15:11:43 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:11:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
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Hey Tim,
One note: I once had an engine ground strap come loose (non-Tiger, but
anyway...). It caused such a wide range of short term strange behavior and
longterm wiring issues, that I'd highly recommend hooking up a second ground
strap of a decent gauge; maybe on the passenger side, maybe elsewhere,
whatever fits with your desire for originality and functionality. If you use
an OEM style braided cable on each side of the transmission then I doubt that
any but the most picky concours inspector would notice, let alone dock you any
marks.

On the Tiger, if the main ground strap fails, then the only things that
provide ground between the engine and the chassis are the throttle linkage,
and the paired 16-gauge generator grounds. Those are not sufficient to support
either starting of the engine, or extended operation.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: October 11, 2011 3:00 PM
> To: Smit, Theo; sjhcobra1 at cs.com; tigers-bounces at autox.team.net;
> tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ground strap?
>
> Thanks to all. Got the original strap hooked up to the Alpine tranny
> bracket
> and the clutch slave on the driver's side and it looks right.
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com]
> Sent: October-11-11 1:05 PM
> To: sjhcobra1 at cs.com; tigers-bounces at autox.team.net; Tim Webster;
> tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ground strap?
>
> The consensus seems to be driver's side. Either mine got switched
> somewhere
> along the way or I just had my sides mixed up due to the under-the-car
> viewpoint.
>
> Theo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com [mailto:sjhcobra1 at cs.com]
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> > tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?
> >
> > Mine are like Theo's but on the driver's side.
> >
> > Steve Halbrook
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
> > Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:31:56
> > To: Tim Webster<crabco at shaw.ca>;
> > tigers at autox.team.net<tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?
> >
> > On mine, the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the
> > Alpine
> > transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to
> > bellhousing
> > bolt. I think both were on the passenger side though.
> >
> > Theo
> >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
> > > strap
> > > that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor pan?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> >
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Oct 11 15:36:11 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
Message-ID: <2f8d9.4deb0fdf.3bc610ca@aol.com>

Now my memory is coming back. You are correct. The  engine side is on the 
bolt that holds the clutch slave on.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/11/2011 5:14:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Mine was  like that, but on the driver's side.  I  think mine was pretty  
original.
Mark


In a message dated 10/11/2011 3:36:15 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,  
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

On  mine,  the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the   Alpine
transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission  to  
bellhousing
bolt. I think both were on the passenger  side  though.

Theo

>
>  Hello,
>
>
>
>  Just wondering what the correct  fastening points are for the ground
>  strap
> that connects  the frame to the engine under the driver's floor   pan?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct 11 19:22:36 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:22:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EEBCA0CB@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <994764905.728270.1318382556254.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

>On the Tiger, if the main ground strap fails, then the only things that
>provide ground between the engine and the chassis are the throttle linkage,
>and the paired 16-gauge generator grounds. Those are not sufficient to support
>either starting of the engine, or extended operation.


I seem to remember that someone's car used the clutch fluid pipe...
and it got red hot during cranking.

Gary

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Oct 11 21:31:00 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:31:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
References: <994764905.728270.1318382556254.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4E7DB048FC3F4A6E92A6AB3631984CA4@student2>

I can't believe that with all the header clearance issues that they are not 
an alternative path to ground.  :-)

Tom


> >On the Tiger, if the main ground strap fails, then the only things that
>>provide ground between the engine and the chassis are the throttle 
>>linkage,
>>and the paired 16-gauge generator grounds. Those are not sufficient to 
>>support
>>either starting of the engine, or extended operation.
>
>
> I seem to remember that someone's car used the clutch fluid pipe...
> and it got red hot during cranking.
>
> Gary

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Oct 12 05:42:37 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:42:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
In-Reply-To: <2b312.16be5a44.3bc5f866@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49CEEA3542454CE08F6CF79D764F977E@ronpc1>

I believe my ground strap is on the passenger side but I'm the 4th owner of
this Tiger so I don't know if it got moved.

I would think that you would want it attached at the starter motor for the
best possible ground.   I do remember I spend some time putting a good deal
of HD grease into the ground strap weave to keep it rust free and flexible.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:52 PM
To: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com; crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?


Mine was like that, but on the driver's side.  I  think mine was pretty
original.
Mark


In a message dated 10/11/2011 3:36:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

On mine,  the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the  Alpine
transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to
bellhousing
bolt. I think both were on the passenger side  though.

Theo

>
> Hello,
>
>
>
>  Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
> strap that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor
> pan?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>


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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 08:39:35 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:39:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap?
In-Reply-To: <49CEEA3542454CE08F6CF79D764F977E@ronpc1>
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personally, I run mine from the frame rail tube nut to the front head stud.
not original but it's a very good ground and easy to keep an eye on.

On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:42, " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> I believe my ground strap is on the passenger side but I'm the 4th owner of
> this Tiger so I don't know if it got moved.
>
> I would think that you would want it attached at the starter motor for the
> best possible ground.   I do remember I spend some time putting a good deal
> of HD grease into the ground strap weave to keep it rust free and flexible.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com; crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap?
>
>
> Mine was like that, but on the driver's side.  I  think mine was pretty
> original.
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 10/11/2011 3:36:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:
>
> On mine,  the strap ends were attached to the welded-in nut on the  Alpine
> transmission crossmember bracket; and on the lower transmission to
> bellhousing
> bolt. I think both were on the passenger side  though.
>
> Theo
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wondering what the correct fastening points are for the ground
>> strap that connects the frame to the engine under the driver's floor
>> pan?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Oct 12 14:33:04 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:33:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Windshield wiper mechanism
Message-ID: <ca4cc911bcb5735e60a074825bef0725@frii.com>

Howdy gang,

I'm in need of a complete windshield wiper mechanism from motor to 
wiper arms.  Anyone have a spare I could buy from you?

Thanks,
Bob
B9471388

From gharlowe at comcast.net  Wed Oct 12 18:23:15 2011
From: gharlowe at comcast.net (Graham Harlowe)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:23:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Windscreen washer tubing
Message-ID: <000001cc893e$4d422560$e7c67020$@net>

Listers -

Just curious if anyone knows the 'correct' ID/OD dimensions of the tubing
used for the windscreen washer system.  I have an original dash
plunger/pump, which appears to have 1/8" or 5/32" diameter hose barbs.  I
also have remnants of what I believe to be original tubing, which looks like
3/16" OD.  So, ideally I should be looking for 1/8" or 5/32" x 3/16" clear
vacuum hose, correct?  Anyone with better dimensions?  Decent sources for
the tubing?  

Thanks!  

Graham Harlowe
B328001466

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 12 18:34:16 2011
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:34:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Horn contact plate
Message-ID: <1783276020.621919.1318466056795.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Hi group I am in need of the horn contact plate that goes on the top of the steering column if you have one or know where I can get one please let me know. 

Thanks again George Re 

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 12 20:36:14 2011
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 02:36:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Horn contact plate
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:34:16 PM 
Subject: Horn contact plate 


Hi group I am in need of the horn contact plate that goes on the top of the steering column if you have one or know where I can get one please let me know. 

Thanks again George Re 

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Thu Oct 13 08:01:25 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:01:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Windscreen washer tubing
In-Reply-To: <000001cc893e$4d422560$e7c67020$@net>
References: <000001cc893e$4d422560$e7c67020$@net>
Message-ID: <001DEF88E31D4B22AD57523079902804@Roscrea>

I can't remember the size, but I got my tubing at a hobby store (clear fuel 
line I think).

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From: Graham Harlowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:23 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Windscreen washer tubing

Listers -

Just curious if anyone knows the 'correct' ID/OD dimensions of the tubing
used for the windscreen washer system.  I have an original dash
plunger/pump, which appears to have 1/8" or 5/32" diameter hose barbs.  I
also have remnants of what I believe to be original tubing, which looks like
3/16" OD.  So, ideally I should be looking for 1/8" or 5/32" x 3/16" clear
vacuum hose, correct?  Anyone with better dimensions?  Decent sources for
the tubing?

Thanks!

Graham Harlowe
B328001466
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Thu Oct 13 14:58:20 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:58:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Tubing
Message-ID: <4E9750EC.50108@roadrunner.com>

Graham:

Just go to any Home Depot, Lowes, or another home center and you will 
find an assortment of tubing that you can buy by the foot.  Take the 
pump along to see what fits.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From bobdixon at frii.com  Thu Oct 13 15:30:35 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:30:35 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Jay Leno on Tigers
In-Reply-To: <3a68615278b8a9a1af1ee410cbc96fe9@frii.com>
References: <3a68615278b8a9a1af1ee410cbc96fe9@frii.com>
Message-ID: <bba18d917754d9c35b7c8d798ed23219@frii.com>

This may have been around already.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/pebble-beach/1965-sunbeam-tiger/

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 13 19:12:28 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:12:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Team.Net service
Message-ID: <20111014011228.D9DA32E0E6@bradakis.com>

Team.Net is going away, I'm shutting it off tomorrow morning.

Okay, relax, it is only temporary.  The local power company will be
doing some maintenence and repairs in the area friday, October 14th.
Rather than risk frying some crucial piece of hardware due to random
power flucuations I'll be shutting down the servers in the morning
before I go to work.  I'll be bringing them back up friday evening
when the power line work is done.

So the email lists, amazingly outdated web pages, forums and such
will be down for most of the day.  All services should be back on
the air late friday, so be patient.

Too bad I'm not ready to cut over to the new server, this would be
a good time to do so.  Oh well, so it goes.

Thank you for your patience.

mjb.

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sat Oct 15 16:12:59 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:12:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] MKII oil cooler lines
Message-ID: <B7DB615EB8784E388A290A5DD8E1E3A8@Roscrea>

I have a friend who is restoring a MKII and needs the oil lines to and from
the oil cooler, also the adapter that attaches to the engine.  Any out
there???
Jerry Christopherson
9473187

From Rollright at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 06:24:54 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:24:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II / Alpine 5 oil coolers
Message-ID: <31ae5.33351368.3bcd7896@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Are the Tiger Mk II and the Alpine Series 5 oil coolers the same item or  
perhaps slightly different versions of the same thing?
Got to thinking, it would be doubtful that Rootes would make two  
completely different units for the two cars...but maybe.  Anybody  know?
 
And if they are essentially the same, could one get an Alpine 5 O.C. and  
make it into a Mk II piece?
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE

From Rollright at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 06:45:40 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation
Message-ID: <32552.2653385e.3bcd7d74@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Last night, Tod Brown and  went over the fixing bolts for the bumpers.  A 
couple of issues/questions arose.
 
1) the bumper to chassis fixing bolts for the rear are listed as  1/2" X 1 
3/4 UNF. For the front it lists a
 screw (?) of 1/2" X 1" UNF. Bolt for one, and screw for another?  Dim 
memory tells me the difference between a screw and a bolt is the a  screw is 
threaded up to the head, and a bolt has an unthreaded section between  the 
threads and the head. Also, how come the difference in  length here?
 
2) As I'm trying to assemble a complete set of front and rear  bumpers with 
everything, ready to bolt on when I take off the old. There is an  odd part 
that must have some connection with the bumper system as I found it in  
that box in the basement. It is a slug of aluminum (?) cylindrical (very  
slightly barrel shaped) 1/2" tall, 1" in diameter with about a 1/2" hole  drilled 
out of the center. Is this a bumper system part? Where does it go? 
Seems like a spacer.
 
Best to all,  

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  
382002083
LRXFE

From e.coiner at cox.net  Mon Oct 17 09:38:49 2011
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 8:38:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation
In-Reply-To: <32552.2653385e.3bcd7d74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111017113849.7RMCK.2310037.imail@fed1rmwml31>

The slug goes between the bumper and the steel mounting bracket.  The bracket is flat, the bumper not so much.
The piece adapts.

Erich
---- Rollright at aol.com wrote: 
> Hello,
>  
> Last night, Tod Brown and  went over the fixing bolts for the bumpers.  A 
> couple of issues/questions arose.
>  
> 1) the bumper to chassis fixing bolts for the rear are listed as  1/2" X 1 
> 3/4 UNF. For the front it lists a
>  screw (?) of 1/2" X 1" UNF. Bolt for one, and screw for another?  Dim 
> memory tells me the difference between a screw and a bolt is the a  screw is 
> threaded up to the head, and a bolt has an unthreaded section between  the 
> threads and the head. Also, how come the difference in  length here?
>  
> 2) As I'm trying to assemble a complete set of front and rear  bumpers with 
> everything, ready to bolt on when I take off the old. There is an  odd part 
> that must have some connection with the bumper system as I found it in  
> that box in the basement. It is a slug of aluminum (?) cylindrical (very  
> slightly barrel shaped) 1/2" tall, 1" in diameter with about a 1/2" hole  drilled 
> out of the center. Is this a bumper system part? Where does it go? 
> Seems like a spacer.
>  
> Best to all,  
> 
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A  
> 382002083
> LRXFE
> _______________________________________________

From Rollright at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 09:44:36 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:44:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] barrel slug with hole in center
Message-ID: <3a5db.386e998d.3bcda764@aol.com>

Hello,
 
To clarify on the bumper hardware, I got several replys indicating that I  
misled some folks. In the spirit of clarity:  
No not those pieces that are curved (to mate with bumper) on one  side and 
flat on the other. 

This is a little barrel affair with a hole in the middle, 3/4" long, an  
inch in diameter and a half inch hole in the center drilled through the 3/4 
inch  dimension.
 
 


Jim

From Rollright at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 11:01:23 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:01:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation
Message-ID: <35a3.2ff4f797.3bcdb963@aol.com>

Just called Rick at SS. He says there IS a spacer where you describe  but  
is steel, 1/2" long with a narrow gauge wall. Too think and it will  
interfere with the sheetmetal (?) So the slug that I'm trying to describe is not  
that distancing piece.....
 
He thinks the slug goes on the carriage bolt between the overrider and the  
bumper. He's not sure and I don't think so.
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 10/17/2011 12:45:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sjhcobra1 at cs.com writes:

Between  the bumper bracket and frame to keep the bracket off the sheet 
metal.  
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T  
____________________________________
  
From: Rollright at aol.com 
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
To: <sjhcobra1 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumper installation


Steve
 
Thanks for answering.
 
 OK, rear bumper. Where?  I'd bet in-between the "back bar" and  the 
chassis mount? That would space it off the 3/4" inch that it is long? Or  is it 
between the bumper and the back bar?
 
Please confirm
 
Best,
 
Jim A
 
 
In a message dated 10/17/2011 10:15:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sjhcobra1 at cs.com writes:

Jim:

That spacer is for the rear bumper bolts to prevent  you from crushing 
the metalwork around the frame mount.

Steve  Halbrook

-----Original Message-----
From: Rollright  <Rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers  <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:00  am
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation

Hello,

Last night,  Tod Brown and  went over the fixing bolts for the bumpers.   
A
couple of issues/questions arose.

1) the bumper to chassis  fixing bolts for the rear are listed as  1/2" 
X 1
3/4 UNF. For  the front it lists a
screw (?) of 1/2" X 1" UNF. Bolt for one, and screw  for another?  Dim
memory tells me the difference between a screw and  a bolt is the a  
screw is
threaded up to the head, and a bolt  has an unthreaded section between  
the
threads and the head.  Also, how come the difference in  length here?

2) As I'm trying  to assemble a complete set of front and rear  bumpers  
with
everything, ready to bolt on when I take off the old. There is  an  odd 
part
that must have some connection with the bumper  system as I found it in
that box in the basement. It is a slug of  aluminum (?) cylindrical 
(very
slightly barrel shaped) 1/2" tall, 1"  in diameter with about a 1/2" 
hole  drilled
out of the center.  Is this a bumper system part? Where does it go?
Seems like a  spacer.

Best to all,

Jim  Armstrong
Mk  1A
382002083
LRXFE
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From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Mon Oct 17 11:09:28 2011
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:09:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II / Alpine 5 oil coolers
In-Reply-To: <31ae5.33351368.3bcd7896@aol.com>
References: <31ae5.33351368.3bcd7896@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E9C6148.8000702@cox.net>

Hi Jim:
Were you looking for authenticity or function?
 From what I gathered, the original oil coolers weren't all that great 
at transferring heat, so I was thinking a modern one from someone like 
Pegasus Racing might work better.....

Best Regards
David Sosna
Tigerless in San Diego

On 10/17/2011 5:24 AM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Are the Tiger Mk II and the Alpine Series 5 oil coolers the same item or
> perhaps slightly different versions of the same thing?
> Got to thinking, it would be doubtful that Rootes would make two
> completely different units for the two cars...but maybe.  Anybody  know?
>
> And if they are essentially the same, could one get an Alpine 5 O.C. and
> make it into a Mk II piece?
>
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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>
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Mon Oct 17 11:16:47 2011
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:16:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] barrel slug with hole in center
In-Reply-To: <3a5db.386e998d.3bcda764@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111017131647.KO13L.1100168.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Got it.

Those go between the mounting bracket and the body of the car on the REAR bumper.  You will not that the threaded hole is recessed from the body panels on the rear.  Those spacers prevent the bracket from mashing the body panels flat in that area.

Erich
---- Rollright at aol.com wrote: 
> Hello,
>  
> To clarify on the bumper hardware, I got several replys indicating that I  
> misled some folks. In the spirit of clarity:  
> No not those pieces that are curved (to mate with bumper) on one  side and 
> flat on the other. 
> 
> This is a little barrel affair with a hole in the middle, 3/4" long, an  
> inch in diameter and a half inch hole in the center drilled through the 3/4 
> inch  dimension.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> Jim

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Oct 17 11:35:39 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:35:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation
In-Reply-To: <20111017113849.7RMCK.2310037.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20111017113849.7RMCK.2310037.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <2D65E7960DF945378602A66BF4EEAC78@Roscrea>

I'm sorry I wasn't more specific. The round slug (standoff) fits between the 
steel mounting hole in the frame (1/2x20) and the steel mounting bracket 
that the bumper attaches to (with the 1/2 round aluminum spacer that 
conforms to the bumper that Erich is referring to).  If you were to bolt the 
bumper bracket directly to the frame you would bend the body metal that is 
surrounding that attachment point.   To attach the bumper,  one would bolt 
the two steel pieces (with the half round pieces) to the bumper loosely 
tighten, then slide the 1/2" bolt into the slot in the steel, then slide the 
spacer on over the bolt, then (with the help of someone) bring the bumper 
(with brackets) up to the two holes and start tightening, all the time 
adjusting the alignment as you bring all the bolts tight.

I hope this helps

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From: e.coiner at cox.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:38 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net ; Rollright at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumper installation

The slug goes between the bumper and the steel mounting bracket.  The 
bracket is flat, the bumper not so much.
The piece adapts.

Erich
---- Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Last night, Tod Brown and  went over the fixing bolts for the bumpers.  A
> couple of issues/questions arose.
>
> 1) the bumper to chassis fixing bolts for the rear are listed as  1/2" X 1
> 3/4 UNF. For the front it lists a
>  screw (?) of 1/2" X 1" UNF. Bolt for one, and screw for another?  Dim
> memory tells me the difference between a screw and a bolt is the a  screw 
> is
> threaded up to the head, and a bolt has an unthreaded section between  the
> threads and the head. Also, how come the difference in  length here?
>
> 2) As I'm trying to assemble a complete set of front and rear  bumpers 
> with
> everything, ready to bolt on when I take off the old. There is an  odd 
> part
> that must have some connection with the bumper system as I found it in
> that box in the basement. It is a slug of aluminum (?) cylindrical (very
> slightly barrel shaped) 1/2" tall, 1" in diameter with about a 1/2" hole 
> drilled
> out of the center. Is this a bumper system part? Where does it go?
> Seems like a spacer.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Oct 17 11:42:54 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:42:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation
In-Reply-To: <20111017113849.7RMCK.2310037.imail@fed1rmwml31>
References: <20111017113849.7RMCK.2310037.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <1037E66329174886A43DFE3488929011@Roscrea>

I just took two pictures of the attachment on my car, if you're interested 
send me your email and I'll sent them to you.

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From: e.coiner at cox.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:38 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net ; Rollright at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumper installation

The slug goes between the bumper and the steel mounting bracket.  The 
bracket is flat, the bumper not so much.
The piece adapts.

Erich
---- Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Last night, Tod Brown and  went over the fixing bolts for the bumpers.  A
> couple of issues/questions arose.
>
> 1) the bumper to chassis fixing bolts for the rear are listed as  1/2" X 1
> 3/4 UNF. For the front it lists a
>  screw (?) of 1/2" X 1" UNF. Bolt for one, and screw for another?  Dim
> memory tells me the difference between a screw and a bolt is the a  screw 
> is
> threaded up to the head, and a bolt has an unthreaded section between  the
> threads and the head. Also, how come the difference in  length here?
>
> 2) As I'm trying to assemble a complete set of front and rear  bumpers 
> with
> everything, ready to bolt on when I take off the old. There is an  odd 
> part
> that must have some connection with the bumper system as I found it in
> that box in the basement. It is a slug of aluminum (?) cylindrical (very
> slightly barrel shaped) 1/2" tall, 1" in diameter with about a 1/2" hole 
> drilled
> out of the center. Is this a bumper system part? Where does it go?
> Seems like a spacer.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
> _______________________________________________
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 17 11:54:34 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] barrel slug with hole in center
In-Reply-To: <3a5db.386e998d.3bcda764@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1318874074.24008.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Jim,
 
>From your description it sounds like the piece that goes through the rear
valance opening to space the rear bumper brackets away from the body sheet
metal. Consequently, the bolts for the rear bumpers are longer than the bolts
for the front bumpers. When I installed my rear bumper, I first installed
grommets to seal the rear valance from dirt and water. I used the exact same
grommets that are used for the heater hoses where they go through the firewall
to the heater core. The bolts are snug in the grommets, so I used a little
grease to help slide them through.
 
Was that it?
 
Gary

From allanballard at att.net  Mon Oct 17 12:08:11 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:08:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation
In-Reply-To: <35a3.2ff4f797.3bcdb963@aol.com>
References: <35a3.2ff4f797.3bcdb963@aol.com>
Message-ID: <46E80221-C5A7-4F3C-B724-24B902CF6892@att.net>

Rick is correct. I just redid my bumpers and used the stock piece on the
carriage bolts.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:

> Just called Rick at SS. He says there IS a spacer where you describe  but
> is steel, 1/2" long with a narrow gauge wall. Too think and it will
> interfere with the sheetmetal (?) So the slug that I'm trying to describe is
not
> that distancing piece.....
>
> He thinks the slug goes on the carriage bolt between the overrider and the
> bumper. He's not sure and I don't think so.
>
> Jim
>
>
> In a message dated 10/17/2011 12:45:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> sjhcobra1 at cs.com writes:
>
> Between  the bumper bracket and frame to keep the bracket off the sheet
> metal.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ____________________________________
>
> From: Rollright at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
> To: <sjhcobra1 at cs.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumper installation
>
>
> Steve
>
> Thanks for answering.
>
> OK, rear bumper. Where?  I'd bet in-between the "back bar" and  the
> chassis mount? That would space it off the 3/4" inch that it is long? Or  is
it
> between the bumper and the back bar?
>
> Please confirm
>
> Best,
>
> Jim A
>
>
> In a message dated 10/17/2011 10:15:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> sjhcobra1 at cs.com writes:
>
> Jim:
>
> That spacer is for the rear bumper bolts to prevent  you from crushing
> the metalwork around the frame mount.
>
> Steve  Halbrook
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rollright  <Rollright at aol.com>
> To: tigers  <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:00  am
> Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation
>
> Hello,
>
> Last night,  Tod Brown and  went over the fixing bolts for the bumpers.
> A
> couple of issues/questions arose.
>
> 1) the bumper to chassis  fixing bolts for the rear are listed as  1/2"
> X 1
> 3/4 UNF. For  the front it lists a
> screw (?) of 1/2" X 1" UNF. Bolt for one, and screw  for another?  Dim
> memory tells me the difference between a screw and  a bolt is the a
> screw is
> threaded up to the head, and a bolt  has an unthreaded section between
> the
> threads and the head.  Also, how come the difference in  length here?
>
> 2) As I'm trying  to assemble a complete set of front and rear  bumpers
> with
> everything, ready to bolt on when I take off the old. There is  an  odd
> part
> that must have some connection with the bumper  system as I found it in
> that box in the basement. It is a slug of  aluminum (?) cylindrical
> (very
> slightly barrel shaped) 1/2" tall, 1"  in diameter with about a 1/2"
> hole  drilled
> out of the center.  Is this a bumper system part? Where does it go?
> Seems like a  spacer.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk  1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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>
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Oct 17 12:12:32 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] barrel slug with hole in center
In-Reply-To: <3a5db.386e998d.3bcda764@aol.com>
References: <3a5db.386e998d.3bcda764@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7A74CE051E1D416AAF5A5BB2671E1A07@Roscrea>

I must have pushed the wrong button or something, I'll try again.
Those little barrel standoffs are to put some space between the bumper 
bracket and the body metal so as to not crush the body metal up against the 
frame where the 1/2" bolt hole is.  As you can see there is a little space 
between the frame (where the 1/2" holes are) and the body panel that cover 
the area.  To attach the bumper I would put the bolts through the bumper 
bracket than slide the barrels over the two bolts then (with a friend) bring 
the bumper up together and tighten the bolts checking alignment as you 
tighten.

By the way the front bumper do not have those standoffs.

Hope this helps

Jerry Christopherson

I took two pict. if you are interested.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:44 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] barrel slug with hole in center

Hello,

To clarify on the bumper hardware, I got several replys indicating that I
misled some folks. In the spirit of clarity:
No not those pieces that are curved (to mate with bumper) on one  side and
flat on the other.

This is a little barrel affair with a hole in the middle, 3/4" long, an
inch in diameter and a half inch hole in the center drilled through the 3/4
inch  dimension.




Jim
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Oct 17 12:27:56 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:27:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation
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I would try and see if the round piece you have "fits" the hole in the sheet 
metal and if it does than that might be the right part.  I don't recall mine 
being very "thin walled" and if I remember they looked cast aluminum.  What 
I don't know is if there were any original grommets in the two holes, seems 
to me like a good place for them though.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:01 PM
To: sjhcobra1 at cs.com ; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Cc: todbrown at roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumper installation

Just called Rick at SS. He says there IS a spacer where you describe  but
is steel, 1/2" long with a narrow gauge wall. Too think and it will
interfere with the sheetmetal (?) So the slug that I'm trying to describe is 
not
that distancing piece.....

He thinks the slug goes on the carriage bolt between the overrider and the
bumper. He's not sure and I don't think so.

Jim


In a message dated 10/17/2011 12:45:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sjhcobra1 at cs.com writes:

Between  the bumper bracket and frame to keep the bracket off the sheet
metal.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
____________________________________

From: Rollright at aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
To: <sjhcobra1 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumper installation


Steve

Thanks for answering.

OK, rear bumper. Where?  I'd bet in-between the "back bar" and  the
chassis mount? That would space it off the 3/4" inch that it is long? Or  is 
it
between the bumper and the back bar?

Please confirm

Best,

Jim A


In a message dated 10/17/2011 10:15:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sjhcobra1 at cs.com writes:

Jim:

That spacer is for the rear bumper bolts to prevent  you from crushing
the metalwork around the frame mount.

Steve  Halbrook

-----Original Message-----
From: Rollright  <Rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers  <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:00  am
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper installation

Hello,

Last night,  Tod Brown and  went over the fixing bolts for the bumpers.
A
couple of issues/questions arose.

1) the bumper to chassis  fixing bolts for the rear are listed as  1/2"
X 1
3/4 UNF. For  the front it lists a
screw (?) of 1/2" X 1" UNF. Bolt for one, and screw  for another?  Dim
memory tells me the difference between a screw and  a bolt is the a
screw is
threaded up to the head, and a bolt  has an unthreaded section between
the
threads and the head.  Also, how come the difference in  length here?

2) As I'm trying  to assemble a complete set of front and rear  bumpers
with
everything, ready to bolt on when I take off the old. There is  an  odd
part
that must have some connection with the bumper  system as I found it in
that box in the basement. It is a slug of  aluminum (?) cylindrical
(very
slightly barrel shaped) 1/2" tall, 1"  in diameter with about a 1/2"
hole  drilled
out of the center.  Is this a bumper system part? Where does it go?
Seems like a  spacer.

Best to all,

Jim  Armstrong
Mk  1A
382002083
LRXFE
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct 17 12:56:21 2011
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II / Alpine 5 oil coolers
In-Reply-To: <31ae5.33351368.3bcd7896@aol.com>
References: <31ae5.33351368.3bcd7896@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc8cfe$766034a0$63209de0$@com>

Jim,
The MKII and the SV oil coolers aren't the same.  The SV cooler has a single
cooling row whereas the MKII has a double row.  The MKII cooler looks a lot like
two SV coolers plumbed together.  On the MKII cooler inlet and outlet are at the
same end.  Oil comes into the top (bottom?) row, goes to the end, and loops back
through the bottom (top?)row.  On the SV cooler oil goes in one end and comes
out the other.  I think that the mounts for both coolers are the same.  If you
have your own hoses made up it would be easy to hook up a SV cooler, but you
would have half the cooling of the MKII cooler.  If you use OEM hoses to connect
the cooler it will have to be a MKII cooler with inlet and outlet on the same
end (driver's left).

-Will 382001570

Will Seay_____________
wseay at embarqmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:25 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II / Alpine 5 oil coolers

Hello,
 
Are the Tiger Mk II and the Alpine Series 5 oil coolers the same item or  
perhaps slightly different versions of the same thing?
Got to thinking, it would be doubtful that Rootes would make two  
completely different units for the two cars...but maybe.  Anybody  know?
 
And if they are essentially the same, could one get an Alpine 5 O.C. and  
make it into a Mk II piece?
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Oct 17 12:58:56 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:58:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II / Alpine 5 oil coolers
In-Reply-To: <4E9C6148.8000702@cox.net>
References: <31ae5.33351368.3bcd7896@aol.com> <4E9C6148.8000702@cox.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EEBCA9E0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

As I found out when I put a SV Alpine cooler on eBay, the Tiger cooler has two
rows, where the Alpine cooler is single row.

Certainly a proper Earl's or Pegasus cooler would be far more capable at doing
actual cooling, and you can choose where it blocks the airflow to the rad -
with the OEM piece it sits right in front of the grille opening.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Sosna
> Sent: October 17, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II / Alpine 5 oil coolers
>
> Hi Jim:
> Were you looking for authenticity or function?
>  From what I gathered, the original oil coolers weren't all that great
> at transferring heat, so I was thinking a modern one from someone like
> Pegasus Racing might work better.....
>
> Best Regards
> David Sosna
> Tigerless in San Diego
>


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From allanballard at att.net  Mon Oct 17 13:47:30 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II / Alpine 5 oil coolers
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The Alpine uses a single tube oil cooler
while (I think) the Mk II uses a shorter two tube
cooler.

Probably the hoses are longer for the Mk II.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine - with SV oil cooler



Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 17, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Are the Tiger Mk II and the Alpine Series 5 oil coolers the same item or
> perhaps slightly different versions of the same thing?
> Got to thinking, it would be doubtful that Rootes would make two
> completely different units for the two cars...but maybe.  Anybody  know?
>
> And if they are essentially the same, could one get an Alpine 5 O.C. and
> make it into a Mk II piece?
>
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
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From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 17 16:07:36 2011
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:07:36 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] blue tiger on ebay ???
Message-ID: <wigNw1BocKnOFwfm@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

Hi Tiger gang,


This car was for sale in CA a month ago for $30 +

Anyone know if its a genuine ale in PA ?  - seems strange to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-/180740323865?pt=US_Car
s_Trucks&hash=item2a14f67a19




-- 
Jeff Howarth

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Oct 17 16:24:35 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:24:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine 5 /Tiger II Oil Coolers
Message-ID: <4E9CAB23.6040206@roadrunner.com>

Jim:

The oil coolers for the two cars are quite different in size and shape 
and I would doubt very much if you could adapt one from an Alpine 5 to a 
Tiger II.  The Alpine version is mounted at the back of the grill 
opening and extends the full width of the opening.  The Tiger's cooler 
is more rectangular and mounts on the left side down low in front of the 
radiator.  Interestingly, the mounting brackets are present on the MkIA 
Tigers and may be there on the MkI's but I have never thought to look.  
I know because I used to have an o.c from a Tiger II on my MKIA.  At the 
moment, a friend and I are in the process of parting out a very rusty 
Alpine 5.  Some one asked if it had a cooler, so I took a look, and sure 
enough, there was.  However, when I tried to take it off, the attaching 
nipple on the left side broke off due to the rust.

I never thought that the cooler was very effective on my Tiger since my 
guess is that any benefit that you might gain from added cooling of the 
oil is given back by the extra blockage of the air flow caused by the 
o.c. being in front of the radiator.  Most of the cooling woes of the 
Tiger happen at low speed.  Once you are moving, the problems mostly 
disappear.  Of course, if we are talking about competition, it is a 
whole different story and having an o.c. may be helpful.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Oct 17 21:31:16 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:31:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers from the factory
Message-ID: <4e9cf304.6fb0.0@thecia.net>

The Mark II owners manual has an illustration of the cooler in the jacking instructions
page.

If you find stock cooler brackets on your 1A, without a cooler, it might be
because the 1A uses the same body as the Alpine V, which has a cooler. Also,
the part number for the lower valance(Rootes calls it an apron) for the Alpine
I through IV was later changed to the number for the Alpine V, which presumably
has the brackets for a cooler. Also, when my lower valance for my 1A was replaced
with a new part from the UK 15 years ago, the new one had brackets.

For those folks with the later parts catalogue featuring the Mark II, you'll
find illustrations of both the Mark II cooler parts and the Alpine V cooler
in the engine section.

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 18 12:44:29 2011
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:44:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] WHERE-ARE-YOU?
Message-ID: <E1RGEfK-0007W9-Bm@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21197&sc=photos

Norm

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 18 17:32:02 2011
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:32:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] WHERE-ARE-YOU?
In-Reply-To: <E1RGEfK-0007W9-Bm@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1RGEfK-0007W9-Bm@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1RGJ8l-0006VW-Tw@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks you guys.  Curt Hoffman and others to the rescue.  Mr. 
Roberts' email box is full at the moment, but I've called and left a 
message.  Shouldn't be long now.

Norm

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct 20 15:40:52 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:40:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Windscreen washer tubing
In-Reply-To: <000001cc893e$4d422560$e7c67020$@net>
Message-ID: <BB302775037541F4B7CDC1F9B0489E8E@ronpc1>

Graham
	It took me awhile to get to this.   I just found some of the
original tubing; OD = .204", ID = 3/32.  This tubing could have easily
changed dimensions over the years but I would guess that the ends had to be
heated some to fit them.

	I also found that this tubing and the heater cable use the same
grommet.  The heater cable is .190" in diameter.   It therefore makes sense
that the tubing OD is around .200".

	I bought some Tygon tubing, R-3603, OD = 1/4", ID = 1/8", for my
Tiger and I made a grommet of some sort work at the firewall.  I have worked
on other Tigers that use a larger OD tubing with no grommet but the ID is
still small.

Hope that helps you

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Graham Harlowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:23 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Windscreen washer tubing


Listers -

Just curious if anyone knows the 'correct' ID/OD dimensions of the tubing
used for the windscreen washer system.  I have an original dash
plunger/pump, which appears to have 1/8" or 5/32" diameter hose barbs.  I
also have remnants of what I believe to be original tubing, which looks like
3/16" OD.  So, ideally I should be looking for 1/8" or 5/32" x 3/16" clear
vacuum hose, correct?  Anyone with better dimensions?  Decent sources for
the tubing?

Thanks!

Graham Harlowe
B328001466
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From rssmithiq at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 07:26:20 2011
From: rssmithiq at gmail.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:26:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
Message-ID: <4EA172FC.3070405@gmail.com>

OK, hit delete if you don't like non-Tiger content and I apologize in 
advance.  For those of you who enjoy racing, this side-by-side video 
shows GT cars and F1 cars running through the same track section at 
actual speed.  It's hard to imagine the reaction times of the F1 drivers!

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6598362/gt-vs-f1-racecar-speed-comparison

-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
Randy at InnerQuestOnline.com <mailto:Randy at InnerQuestOnline.com>
Tiger- B382000189

From bomber44 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 21 09:44:40 2011
From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:44:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] looking for an engine block
Message-ID: <7ED7D684-9A4E-43AE-9B84-716A0347EBF5@comcast.net>

hi

I have an aquaintance that is looking for a 1964 Ford 289 engine with the
following casting C4OE-6015C number.  If anyone has one for sale please let me
know off the list.


thanks Rob
tiger351w at comcast.net

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Oct 21 12:01:14 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:01:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] looking for an engine block
In-Reply-To: <7ED7D684-9A4E-43AE-9B84-716A0347EBF5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D04F9346394D46A98568E36E106C9FFA@ronpc1>

Rob 
	Just so everyone knows what to look for; the C4OE-6015C casting
number is a 5 bolt 289 engine block.   According to Bob Mannel's book this
casting # was in production from July 1963 to May 1964.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rob Guerra
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:45 AM
To: tigerlist 2
Subject: [Tigers] looking for an engine block


hi

I have an aquaintance that is looking for a 1964 Ford 289 engine with the
following casting C4OE-6015C number.  If anyone has one for sale please let
me know off the list.


thanks Rob
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From glowboy at starstream.net  Fri Oct 21 16:02:00 2011
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:02:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] looking for an engine block
Message-ID: <201110211502.AA2340880602@mail.starstream.net>

One of those REALLY common ones!

Derrick
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Reply-To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Date:  Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:01:14 -0400

>Rob 
>	Just so everyone knows what to look for; the C4OE-6015C casting
>number is a 5 bolt 289 engine block.   According to Bob Mannel's book this
>casting # was in production from July 1963 to May 1964.
>
>Ron Fraser
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>On Behalf Of Rob Guerra
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:45 AM
>To: tigerlist 2
>Subject: [Tigers] looking for an engine block
>
>
>hi
>
>I have an aquaintance that is looking for a 1964 Ford 289 engine with the
>following casting C4OE-6015C number.  If anyone has one for sale please let
>me know off the list.
>
>
>thanks Rob
>tiger351w at comcast.net  




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From mai65tai at sonic.net  Fri Oct 21 17:08:38 2011
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:08:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 150
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1319220011.18785.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.21.1319220011.18785.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Here you go---we changed the picture to the new one before we sent it out.





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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:40:52 -0400
> From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: "'Graham Harlowe'" <gharlowe at comcast.net>, <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Windscreen washer tubing
> Message-ID: <BB302775037541F4B7CDC1F9B0489E8E at ronpc1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Graham
> 	It took me awhile to get to this.   I just found some of the
> original tubing; OD = .204", ID = 3/32.  This tubing could have easily
> changed dimensions over the years but I would guess that the ends had to be
> heated some to fit them.
>
> 	I also found that this tubing and the heater cable use the same
> grommet.  The heater cable is .190" in diameter.   It therefore makes sense
> that the tubing OD is around .200".
>
> 	I bought some Tygon tubing, R-3603, OD = 1/4", ID = 1/8", for my
> Tiger and I made a grommet of some sort work at the firewall.  I have
worked
> on other Tigers that use a larger OD tubing with no grommet but the ID is
> still small.
>
> Hope that helps you
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Graham Harlowe
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:23 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Windscreen washer tubing
>
>
> Listers -
>
> Just curious if anyone knows the 'correct' ID/OD dimensions of the tubing
> used for the windscreen washer system.  I have an original dash
> plunger/pump, which appears to have 1/8" or 5/32" diameter hose barbs.  I
> also have remnants of what I believe to be original tubing, which looks
like
> 3/16" OD.  So, ideally I should be looking for 1/8" or 5/32" x 3/16" clear
> vacuum hose, correct?  Anyone with better dimensions?  Decent sources for
> the tubing?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Graham Harlowe
> B328001466
> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:26:20 -0400
> From: Randy Smith <rssmithiq at gmail.com>
> To: Tiger List Serve <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
> Message-ID: <4EA172FC.3070405 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> OK, hit delete if you don't like non-Tiger content and I apologize in
> advance.  For those of you who enjoy racing, this side-by-side video
> shows GT cars and F1 cars running through the same track section at
> actual speed.  It's hard to imagine the reaction times of the F1 drivers!
>
> http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6598362/gt-vs-f1-racecar-speed-comparison
>
> --
>
> Randy Smith
> INNER QUEST, Inc.
> 34752 Charles Town Pike
> Purcellville, VA  20132
> 703-478-1078
> 540-668-6699
> 540-668-6253 fax
>
> InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
> Randy at InnerQuestOnline.com <mailto:Randy at InnerQuestOnline.com>
> Tiger- B382000189
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:44:40 -0700
> From: Rob Guerra <bomber44 at comcast.net>
> To: tigerlist 2 <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] looking for an engine block
> Message-ID: <7ED7D684-9A4E-43AE-9B84-716A0347EBF5 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> hi
>
> I have an aquaintance that is looking for a 1964 Ford 289 engine with the
> following casting C4OE-6015C number.  If anyone has one for sale please let
me
> know off the list.
>
>
> thanks Rob
> tiger351w at comcast.net
>
>
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From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 21 17:11:01 2011
From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] looking for an engine block
In-Reply-To: <D04F9346394D46A98568E36E106C9FFA@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <1319238661.61526.YahooMailClassic@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I could use a few of these blocks as well.
 
Thanks in advance-Chris in Arcata

--- On Fri, 10/21/11, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] looking for an engine block
To: "'Rob Guerra'" <bomber44 at comcast.net>, "'tigerlist 2'"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 11:01 AM


Rob
    Just so everyone knows what to look for; the C4OE-6015C casting
number is a 5 bolt 289 engine block.   According to Bob Mannel's book this
casting # was in production from July 1963 to May 1964.

Ron Fraser


hi

I have an aquaintance that is looking for a 1964 Ford 289 engine with the
following casting C4OE-6015C number.  If anyone has one for sale please let
me know off the list.

From jeff.holt7 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 17:52:30 2011
From: jeff.holt7 at gmail.com (Jeff Holt)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:52:30 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Temp gauge
Message-ID: <07620AAE-2BEB-4F03-83E3-34447BCFC7AE@gmail.com>

OK, I'm back on the list, finally. Not sure what the problem was. I fired up
the Tom Hall 302-T5 upgrade yesterday. My 18 son was impressed.

I need to fix the temp gauge, so I can see how the new setup is cooling. (new
radiator core too) Can anyone give me a primer on how the temp gauge is wired
and how I can track down the problem?

So grateful to the list and all the Tiger owners who've helped me get this
far. I love the silver Panasports too. Seriously.

Jeff Holt
Huntsville, UT

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Fri Oct 21 18:15:51 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:15:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
In-Reply-To: <4EA172FC.3070405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc904f$c548a3f0$6501a8c0@Brennan>

That's Spa, right?  Eau Rouge. One of the most notorious corners in
racing. 

I remember watching F1 at Montreal many years back.  After watching the
various underclasses run throught the twisty bits in front of our
grandstand, the F1 cars came out.  My goodness, I was sure the first few
would end up off the track, still zigging when the should be zagging.
But no, they sailed through without a bother.  And this was 1983.

Stu

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Fri Oct 21 21:14:18 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:14:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Temp gauge
In-Reply-To: <07620AAE-2BEB-4F03-83E3-34447BCFC7AE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc9068$afe4aea0$6501a8c0@Brennan>

This should do it for you:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp

Stu Brennan

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Oct 22 10:12:15 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 09:12:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
Message-ID: <4EA2EB5F.8000502@mayfco.com>

Couple of questions:
What's the going price for a set of 289 hipo rods these days, without 
the rod bolts (I have a set of 8 I may want to sell)?
How much HP can they handle (I may just put them into the hipo 260 I am 
building) ?

mayf

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______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct 22 14:00:33 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:00:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
In-Reply-To: <4EA2EB5F.8000502@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <86EBEED321774C6F8DEA8964BA14D51D@ronpc1>

Mayf
	According to Bob Mannel's book; the std 289 rod, casting # C3AE-D
was used in the std and HiPo 289 engines.  The difference was the end cap
and the bolt.  The HiPo uses an end cap with more material and a 3/8" bolt.

	I have another reference that states this same rod was used in the
Boss 302 engine and in the 2.3L turbo engines.
I see no listing for a HP rating associated to the rods.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods


Couple of questions:
What's the going price for a set of 289 hipo rods these days, without 
the rod bolts (I have a set of 8 I may want to sell)?
How much HP can they handle (I may just put them into the hipo 260 I am 
building) ?

mayf

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Oct 22 14:09:55 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:09:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
In-Reply-To: <86EBEED321774C6F8DEA8964BA14D51D@ronpc1>
References: <86EBEED321774C6F8DEA8964BA14D51D@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4EA32313.90105@mayfco.com>

Yep, all true. I have the end caps as well. So I would guess that caps 
and rod make a hipo rod, eh?  Yes, for the boss. Same 5.155 inch rod.  
Didn't know about the 2.3 turbo fitment though.

mayf

______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 10/22/2011 1:00 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Mayf
> 	According to Bob Mannel's book; the std 289 rod, casting # C3AE-D
> was used in the std and HiPo 289 engines.  The difference was the end cap
> and the bolt.  The HiPo uses an end cap with more material and a 3/8" bolt.
>
> 	I have another reference that states this same rod was used in the
> Boss 302 engine and in the 2.3L turbo engines.
> I see no listing for a HP rating associated to the rods.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:12 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>
>
> Couple of questions:
> What's the going price for a set of 289 hipo rods these days, without
> the rod bolts (I have a set of 8 I may want to sell)?
> How much HP can they handle (I may just put them into the hipo 260 I am
> building) ?
>
> mayf

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct 22 15:55:31 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:55:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
In-Reply-To: <4EA32313.90105@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <B02074C0E343461DBED597C66EBE065F@ronpc1>

Mayf
	My 1988 Mustang Service Manual shows the length of the 2.3L
connecting rods at 5.2031 - 5.2063 (center to center).

The 5.0L rods are listed @ 5.0885 - 5.0915; so as always printed material
should be check or measured and never assumed to be correct.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:10 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods


Yep, all true. I have the end caps as well. So I would guess that caps 
and rod make a hipo rod, eh?  Yes, for the boss. Same 5.155 inch rod.  
Didn't know about the 2.3 turbo fitment though.

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 10/22/2011 1:00 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Mayf
> 	According to Bob Mannel's book; the std 289 rod, casting # C3AE-D
was 
> used in the std and HiPo 289 engines.  The difference was the end cap 
> and the bolt.  The HiPo uses an end cap with more material and a 3/8" 
> bolt.
>
> 	I have another reference that states this same rod was used in the 
> Boss 302 engine and in the 2.3L turbo engines. I see no listing for a 
> HP rating associated to the rods.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:12 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>
>
> Couple of questions:
> What's the going price for a set of 289 hipo rods these days, without 
> the rod bolts (I have a set of 8 I may want to sell)? How much HP can 
> they handle (I may just put them into the hipo 260 I am
> building) ?
>
> mayf
>



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From tgrrr at meadowcrk.com  Sun Oct 23 11:45:23 2011
From: tgrrr at meadowcrk.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:45:23 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
References: <B02074C0E343461DBED597C66EBE065F@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4E1B58D4450E4B8587384E5855B5725A@bob>

Regular "Boss" rods (C9ZZ-600-B) had a center to center length of 5.155 and 
3/8 rod bolts but Ford "Muscle Parts" also put out a short rod (C90Z-600-B) 
with a center to center length of 5.090 and 3/8 bolts, rare in their time 
and unobtanium now.

Bob H

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: <tweecer at yahoogroups.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods


> Mayf
> My 1988 Mustang Service Manual shows the length of the 2.3L
> connecting rods at 5.2031 - 5.2063 (center to center).
>
> The 5.0L rods are listed @ 5.0885 - 5.0915; so as always printed material
> should be check or measured and never assumed to be correct.
>
> Ron Fraser

From tgrrr at meadowcrk.com  Sun Oct 23 11:51:49 2011
From: tgrrr at meadowcrk.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:51:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Correction to my Hipo 289 Rod Post
Message-ID: <3DE8DCA9AD5A4BC0BC7EBEC8B5F9C49A@bob>

Should have read:

Regular "Boss" rods (C9ZZ-6200-B) had a center to center length of 5.155 and
3/8 rod bolts but Ford "Muscle Parts" also put out a short rod (C90Z-6200-B)
with a center to center length of 5.090 and 3/8 bolts, rare in their time
and unobtanium now.

Keyboard sticking.

Bob H

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 23 21:13:35 2011
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Subeam cameo in Pan Am TV episode
Message-ID: <1319426015.30438.YahooMailNeo@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Watching the TV series Pan AM with my wife tonight and saw a greenish yellow
Sunbeam. Couldn't tell if it's a Tiger or Alpine, but was small fin car with
later style hard top. Was parked right behind Jag that was central to the
scene. Anyone know about the car or it's owner?

 
Best regards,
Stephen
Waybright

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Mon Oct 24 15:46:53 2011
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:46:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting
Message-ID: <2c116.122d5962.3bd736cd@aol.com>

Yesterday, I saw the beginning of the (old) movie The Long Goodbye  and 
within the first ten minutes watched a Ferrari drive across town.   At one 
point, the driver makes a left turn and there is a red Sunbeam parked at  the 
curb.  Its a night time scene so I couldn't tell if it was an Alpine or  a 
Tiger.
 
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger  Club    Seattle 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Oct 24 20:02:45 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:02:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
In-Reply-To: <B02074C0E343461DBED597C66EBE065F@ronpc1>
References: <B02074C0E343461DBED597C66EBE065F@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4EA618C5.2040602@mayfco.com>

Both rods look to be a nominal +- 0.003 inches. The typical value for 
the 5.0 rods is 5.090 and with the + and  - 0.003 you have your 
numbers.  I suspect they give the range the rods are acceptable in 
because no subtraction or addition or arithmetic required?  Ditto the 
2.3 rods.  Except it looks like they may be to 0.0016 + or -. from  a 
nominal 5.2047 inches. Perhaps the 2.3 rods are beter in that they have 
a closer tolerance?

Thanks for the info... I am going to see if I can find big and little 
end diameters for the 2.3 rods.

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 10/22/2011 2:55 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Mayf
> 	My 1988 Mustang Service Manual shows the length of the 2.3L
> connecting rods at 5.2031 - 5.2063 (center to center).
>
> The 5.0L rods are listed @ 5.0885 - 5.0915; so as always printed material
> should be check or measured and never assumed to be correct.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:10 PM
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>
>
> Yep, all true. I have the end caps as well. So I would guess that caps
> and rod make a hipo rod, eh?  Yes, for the boss. Same 5.155 inch rod.
> Didn't know about the 2.3 turbo fitment though.
>
> mayf
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
> On 10/22/2011 1:00 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>> Mayf
>> 	According to Bob Mannel's book; the std 289 rod, casting # C3AE-D
> was
>> used in the std and HiPo 289 engines.  The difference was the end cap
>> and the bolt.  The HiPo uses an end cap with more material and a 3/8"
>> bolt.
>>
>> 	I have another reference that states this same rod was used in the
>> Boss 302 engine and in the 2.3L turbo engines. I see no listing for a
>> HP rating associated to the rods.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:12 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>>
>>
>> Couple of questions:
>> What's the going price for a set of 289 hipo rods these days, without
>> the rod bolts (I have a set of 8 I may want to sell)? How much HP can
>> they handle (I may just put them into the hipo 260 I am
>> building) ?
>>
>> mayf
>>
>
>
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From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Oct 24 20:32:40 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:32:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ...and yet another Sunbeam sighting
In-Reply-To: <2c116.122d5962.3bd736cd@aol.com>
References: <2c116.122d5962.3bd736cd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BF6826A64F0244B0927749D8F7119541@awtigerPC>

I was watching an episode of "American Restoration" on The History Channel 
last Friday night.  The show takes place, for the most part, in and around 
the Las Vegas, NV area.  Some of the guys in the show were taking their 
wares out to a swap meet and, as they pulled in the parking lot, there was a 
red Sunbeam sitting there.  I'm pretty sure it was a tall-finned Alpine, 
although from the angle I couldn't tell conclusively.  If I remember 
correctly, it also had a pair of amber fog lights mounted in or around the 
grille area.  Does anybody know who it belongs to???

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
Sunbeam Tiger Mk1A
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740 

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 24 21:52:38 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:52:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
In-Reply-To: <4EA618C5.2040602@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <FFFD0830FCA44DF89B9231EF66664BCE@ronpc1>

Mayf
	My Service manual lists the piston pin diameter at .9096" -
.9012"(hmm that looks like a misprint; maybe .9112" for the 2nd #), Crank
bearing bore at 2.1720 - 2.1728".

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:03 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods


Both rods look to be a nominal +- 0.003 inches. The typical value for 
the 5.0 rods is 5.090 and with the + and  - 0.003 you have your 
numbers.  I suspect they give the range the rods are acceptable in 
because no subtraction or addition or arithmetic required?  Ditto the 
2.3 rods.  Except it looks like they may be to 0.0016 + or -. from  a 
nominal 5.2047 inches. Perhaps the 2.3 rods are beter in that they have 
a closer tolerance?

Thanks for the info... I am going to see if I can find big and little 
end diameters for the 2.3 rods.

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 10/22/2011 2:55 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Mayf
> 	My 1988 Mustang Service Manual shows the length of the 2.3L 
> connecting rods at 5.2031 - 5.2063 (center to center).
>
> The 5.0L rods are listed @ 5.0885 - 5.0915; so as always printed 
> material should be check or measured and never assumed to be correct.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:10 PM
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>
>
> Yep, all true. I have the end caps as well. So I would guess that caps 
> and rod make a hipo rod, eh?  Yes, for the boss. Same 5.155 inch rod. 
> Didn't know about the 2.3 turbo fitment though.
>
> mayf
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
> On 10/22/2011 1:00 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>> Mayf
>> 	According to Bob Mannel's book; the std 289 rod, casting # C3AE-D
> was
>> used in the std and HiPo 289 engines.  The difference was the end cap 
>> and the bolt.  The HiPo uses an end cap with more material and a 3/8" 
>> bolt.
>>
>> 	I have another reference that states this same rod was used in the 
>> Boss 302 engine and in the 2.3L turbo engines. I see no listing for a 
>> HP rating associated to the rods.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:12 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>>
>>
>> Couple of questions:
>> What's the going price for a set of 289 hipo rods these days, without 
>> the rod bolts (I have a set of 8 I may want to sell)? How much HP can 
>> they handle (I may just put them into the hipo 260 I am
>> building) ?
>>
>> mayf
>>
>
>
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>
>
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Oct 24 22:21:49 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:21:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
In-Reply-To: <FFFD0830FCA44DF89B9231EF66664BCE@ronpc1>
References: <FFFD0830FCA44DF89B9231EF66664BCE@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4EA6395D.1080107@mayfco.com>

Ron, some differences in what I found:
Major engine specs are
.......................................2.0........ .2.3 Early....2.3 
Late.....2.5
Bore...............................3.520........3. 
780.........3.780......3.780
Stroke............................3.126........3.1 
26.........3.126......3.401
Bore Spacing...................4.173........4.173...... ...4.173......4.173
Main Journal Dia..............2.3986......2.3986.......2.2055.. ....2.2055
Rod Journal Dia...............2.0468......2.0468.......2.0468. ....2.0468
Con. Rod Length..............5.2047......5.2047.......5.204 7.....5.457
Crank Center to deck.......8.368........8.368.........8.368......8 .368
Piston pin height...............1.583........1.583.........1. 
583.....1.2105

I am liking the late 2.3 specs.  I need to look at the head /valve 
layout and heck, maybe a high compression piston for a 0.020 or 0.030 
over bore would work in the HIPO 260. The rods are almost perfect 
length.  Maybe turn the 260 crank journals down by 0.030 and might be 
close to working.  Might be more pistons available for the 2.3 motor 
than for the 260 for sure. Since I have o have the crank re nitrided 
maybe turning it down to the 2.3 rod journal size is a doable thing 
also.  I need to go see my motor machinist... Next is finding out what 
the thickness of the rods are at the big end.

I need to do more research.

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 10/24/2011 8:52 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Mayf
> 	My Service manual lists the piston pin diameter at .9096" -
> .9012"(hmm that looks like a misprint; maybe .9112" for the 2nd #), Crank
> bearing bore at 2.1720 - 2.1728".
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:03 PM
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>
>
> Both rods look to be a nominal +- 0.003 inches. The typical value for
> the 5.0 rods is 5.090 and with the + and  - 0.003 you have your
> numbers.  I suspect they give the range the rods are acceptable in
> because no subtraction or addition or arithmetic required?  Ditto the
> 2.3 rods.  Except it looks like they may be to 0.0016 + or -. from  a
> nominal 5.2047 inches. Perhaps the 2.3 rods are beter in that they have
> a closer tolerance?
>
> Thanks for the info... I am going to see if I can find big and little
> end diameters for the 2.3 rods.
>
> mayf
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
> On 10/22/2011 2:55 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>> Mayf
>> 	My 1988 Mustang Service Manual shows the length of the 2.3L
>> connecting rods at 5.2031 - 5.2063 (center to center).
>>
>> The 5.0L rods are listed @ 5.0885 - 5.0915; so as always printed
>> material should be check or measured and never assumed to be correct.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:10 PM
>> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
>> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>>
>>
>> Yep, all true. I have the end caps as well. So I would guess that caps
>> and rod make a hipo rod, eh?  Yes, for the boss. Same 5.155 inch rod.
>> Didn't know about the 2.3 turbo fitment though.
>>
>> mayf
>>
>> ______________________________
>> drmayf
>> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
>> 204.913 mph flying mile
>> 210.779 mph exit speed
>>
>>
>> On 10/22/2011 1:00 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>>> Mayf
>>> 	According to Bob Mannel's book; the std 289 rod, casting # C3AE-D
>> was
>>> used in the std and HiPo 289 engines.  The difference was the end cap
>>> and the bolt.  The HiPo uses an end cap with more material and a 3/8"
>>> bolt.
>>>
>>> 	I have another reference that states this same rod was used in the
>>> Boss 302 engine and in the 2.3L turbo engines. I see no listing for a
>>> HP rating associated to the rods.
>>>
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:12 PM
>>> To: tigers at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>>>
>>>
>>> Couple of questions:
>>> What's the going price for a set of 289 hipo rods these days, without
>>> the rod bolts (I have a set of 8 I may want to sell)? How much HP can
>>> they handle (I may just put them into the hipo 260 I am
>>> building) ?
>>>
>>> mayf
>>>
>>
>> -----
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>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>> 10/20/11
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>>
>>
>>
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Oct 24 22:30:28 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:30:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
In-Reply-To: <FFFD0830FCA44DF89B9231EF66664BCE@ronpc1>
References: <FFFD0830FCA44DF89B9231EF66664BCE@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4EA63B64.9070406@mayfco.com>

Attempt number 2. reformatted the table a skosh.
_______________________________________
Ron, some differences in what I found:
Major engine specs are
...................................2.0......2.3 Early....2.3 Late.....2.5
Bore..........................3.520.....3. 780......3.780......3.780
Stroke...................... 3.126.....3.1 26......3.126......3.401
Bore Spacing.......... 4.173.....4.173...... 4.173......4.173
Main Journal Dia.....2.3986....2.3986....2.2055.. .2.2055
Rod Journal Dia......2.0468....2.0468....2.0468. ..2.0468
Con. Rod Length....5.2047....5.2047....5.2047.....5.457
Deck Height     .......8.368.......8.368......8.368..... .8 .368
Piston pin height.....1.583.......1.583......1.583.....  1.2105

I am liking the late 2.3 specs.  I need to look at the head /valve 
layout and heck, maybe a high compression piston for a 0.020 or 0.030 
over bore would work in the HIPO 260. The rods are almost perfect 
length.  Maybe turn the 260 crank journals down by 0.030 and might be 
close to working.  Might be more pistons available for the 2.3 motor 
than for the 260 for sure. Since I have o have the crank re nitrided 
maybe turning it down to the 2.3 rod journal size is a doable thing 
also.  I need to go see my motor machinist... Next is finding out what 
the thickness of the rods are at the big end.

I need to do more research.

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 10/24/2011 8:52 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Mayf
> 	My Service manual lists the piston pin diameter at .9096" -
> .9012"(hmm that looks like a misprint; maybe .9112" for the 2nd #), Crank
> bearing bore at 2.1720 - 2.1728".
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:03 PM
> To:rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc:tigers at autox.team.net;tweecer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>
>
> Both rods look to be a nominal +- 0.003 inches. The typical value for
> the 5.0 rods is 5.090 and with the + and  - 0.003 you have your
> numbers.  I suspect they give the range the rods are acceptable in
> because no subtraction or addition or arithmetic required?  Ditto the
> 2.3 rods.  Except it looks like they may be to 0.0016 + or -. from  a
> nominal 5.2047 inches. Perhaps the 2.3 rods are beter in that they have
> a closer tolerance?
>
> Thanks for the info... I am going to see if I can find big and little
> end diameters for the 2.3 rods.
>
> mayf
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
> On 10/22/2011 2:55 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>> Mayf
>> 	My 1988 Mustang Service Manual shows the length of the 2.3L
>> connecting rods at 5.2031 - 5.2063 (center to center).
>>
>> The 5.0L rods are listed @ 5.0885 - 5.0915; so as always printed
>> material should be check or measured and never assumed to be correct.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:10 PM
>> To:rfraser at bluefrog.com
>> Cc:tigers at autox.team.net;tweecer at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>>
>>
>> Yep, all true. I have the end caps as well. So I would guess that caps
>> and rod make a hipo rod, eh?  Yes, for the boss. Same 5.155 inch rod.
>> Didn't know about the 2.3 turbo fitment though.
>>
>> mayf
>>
>> ______________________________
>> drmayf
>> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
>> 204.913 mph flying mile
>> 210.779 mph exit speed
>>
>>
>> On 10/22/2011 1:00 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>>> Mayf
>>> 	According to Bob Mannel's book; the std 289 rod, casting # C3AE-D
>> was
>>> used in the std and HiPo 289 engines.  The difference was the end cap
>>> and the bolt.  The HiPo uses an end cap with more material and a 3/8"
>>> bolt.
>>>
>>> 	I have another reference that states this same rod was used in the
>>> Boss 302 engine and in the 2.3L turbo engines. I see no listing for a
>>> HP rating associated to the rods.
>>>
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:12 PM
>>> To:tigers at autox.team.net;tweecer at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [Tigers] HIPO 289 Rods
>>>
>>>
>>> Couple of questions:
>>> What's the going price for a set of 289 hipo rods these days, without
>>> the rod bolts (I have a set of 8 I may want to sell)? How much HP can
>>> they handle (I may just put them into the hipo 260 I am
>>> building) ?
>>>
>>> mayf
>>>
>> -----
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com
>> Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4564 - Release Date:
>> 10/20/11
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>>
>>
>>
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From fastsage at cox.net  Mon Oct 24 23:21:06 2011
From: fastsage at cox.net (fastsage)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:21:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] And still another Sunbeam sighting
In-Reply-To: <BF6826A64F0244B0927749D8F7119541@awtigerPC>
References: <2c116.122d5962.3bd736cd@aol.com>
	<BF6826A64F0244B0927749D8F7119541@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <4EA64742.3060101@cox.net>

On TV from Sunday's episode of "Pan Am".....At the casino in Monte Carlo 
was a very nice Series V Alpine with a hardtop. It was definitely a 
Series V as, stopping the show with the front view of the car, I could 
just make out the oil cooler brackets through the grille.

Steve Sage

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 06:25:35 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:25:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting
In-Reply-To: <2c116.122d5962.3bd736cd@aol.com>
References: <2c116.122d5962.3bd736cd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3B7DDB5F-2857-4379-9350-1FCFFE6086E4@yahoo.com>

typical, our little sunbeams "always the bridesmaid and never the bride"


On Oct 24, 2011, at 5:46 PM, TIGEROOTES at aol.com wrote:

> Yesterday, I saw the beginning of the (old) movie The Long Goodbye  and
> within the first ten minutes watched a Ferrari drive across town.   At one
> point, the driver makes a left turn and there is a red Sunbeam parked at
the
> curb.  Its a night time scene so I couldn't tell if it was an Alpine or  a
> Tiger.

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Oct 25 08:51:04 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:51:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting
Message-ID: <4eaca.13f0f3ca.3bd826d8@aol.com>

A few weeks back when Andy Rooney was doing his  farewell to the 60 Minutes 
Show there were a few clips of him and his family.  One showed him in his 
Tiger.  But, in his commentary he was the same old  grouchy Andy that people 
have been reported him to be.  He said if you see  me in a restaurant or 
other public place, please don't come over to say  hello:-)
M

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Tue Oct 25 14:29:53 2011
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:29:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 155
Message-ID: <fb1c.11ff10b1.3bd87641@aol.com>

Anyone interested in a Alpine automatic,I know were theirs one for  sale.
 
 
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Message:  1
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:25:35 -0400
From: Peter Laurinaitis  <laurin212 at yahoo.com>
To: TIGEROOTES at aol.com
Cc:  alpines at autox.team.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...and  another Sunbeam sighting
Message-ID:  <3B7DDB5F-2857-4379-9350-1FCFFE6086E4 at yahoo.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=us-ascii

typical, our little sunbeams "always the  bridesmaid and never the bride"


On Oct 24, 2011, at 5:46 PM,  TIGEROOTES at aol.com wrote:

> Yesterday, I saw the beginning of the  (old) movie The Long Goodbye  and
> within the first ten minutes  watched a Ferrari drive across town.   At 
one
> point, the  driver makes a left turn and there is a red Sunbeam parked at
the
>  curb.  Its a night time scene so I couldn't tell if it was an Alpine  or 
 a
>  Tiger.


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Message: 2
Date:  Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:51:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: CoolVT at aol.com
To:  laurin212 at yahoo.com, TIGEROOTES at aol.com
Cc: alpines at autox.team.net,  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam  sighting
Message-ID:  <4eaca.13f0f3ca.3bd826d8 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

A few weeks back when Andy Rooney was doing  his  farewell to the 60 
Minutes 
Show there were a few clips of him  and his family.  One showed him in his 
Tiger.  But, in his  commentary he was the same old  grouchy Andy that 
people 
have been  reported him to be.  He said if you see  me in a restaurant or  
other public place, please don't come over to say   hello:-)
M


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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 15:10:05 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:10:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting
In-Reply-To: <4eaca.13f0f3ca.3bd826d8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <722002338.1349079.1319577005455.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Yeah, grouchy old Andy showed him and 3 kids in his Tiger as one of only
four family photos.  Even though he bad mouths it and doesn't recognize
you guys that tried to contact him, I got to believe he loved his Tiger like
the rest of us....
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: CoolVT at aol.com
To: laurin212 at yahoo.com, TIGEROOTES at aol.com
Cc: alpines at autox.team.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:51:04 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting

A few weeks back when Andy Rooney was doing his  farewell to the 60 Minutes 
Show there were a few clips of him and his family.  One showed him in his 
Tiger.  But, in his commentary he was the same old  grouchy Andy that people 
have been reported him to be.  He said if you see  me in a restaurant or 
other public place, please don't come over to say  hello:-)
M

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Oct 25 15:11:33 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:11:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting
Message-ID: <603de.241e9510.3bd88005@aol.com>

Well, if he's kept it this long he either loves it or  is too tired to put 
it up for sale.
 
 
In a message dated 10/25/2011 5:10:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
garywinblad at comcast.net writes:

Yeah,  grouchy old Andy showed him and 3 kids in his Tiger as one of only
four  family photos.  Even though he bad mouths it and doesn't recognize
you  guys that tried to contact him, I got to believe he loved his Tiger  
like
the rest of us....
Gary

----- Original Message  -----
From: CoolVT at aol.com
To: laurin212 at yahoo.com,  TIGEROOTES at aol.com
Cc: alpines at autox.team.net,  tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:51:04 -0000  (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting

A few  weeks back when Andy Rooney was doing his  farewell to the 60  
Minutes 
Show there were a few clips of him and his family.  One  showed him in his 
Tiger.  But, in his commentary he was the same  old  grouchy Andy that 
people 
have been reported him to  be.  He said if you see  me in a restaurant or 
other  public place, please don't come over to  say  hello:-)
M

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 15:58:07 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:58:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting
In-Reply-To: <603de.241e9510.3bd88005@aol.com>
Message-ID: <643532364.1351655.1319579887552.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

He DOES look tired....

----- Original Message -----
From: CoolVT at aol.com
To: garywinblad at comcast.net
Cc: laurin212 at yahoo.com, TIGEROOTES at aol.com, alpines at autox.team.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:11:33 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting


Well, if he's kept it this long he either loves it or 
is too tired to put it up for sale. In a message dated 10/25/2011 5:10:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
garywinblad at comcast.net writes:Yeah, 
  grouchy old Andy showed him and 3 kids in his Tiger as one of only
four 
  family photos.  Even though he bad mouths it and doesn't recognize
you 
  guys that tried to contact him, I got to believe he loved his Tiger 
  like
the rest of us....
Gary

----- Original Message 
  -----
From: CoolVT at aol.com
To: laurin212 at yahoo.com, 
  TIGEROOTES at aol.com
Cc: alpines at autox.team.net, 
  tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:51:04 -0000 
  (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting

A few 
  weeks back when Andy Rooney was doing his  farewell to the 60 
  Minutes 
Show there were a few clips of him and his family.  One 
  showed him in his 
Tiger.  But, in his commentary he was the same 
  old  grouchy Andy that people 
have been reported him to 
  be.  He said if you see  me in a restaurant or 
other 
  public place, please don't come over to 
say  hello:-)
M

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 16:05:26 2011
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:05:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney
In-Reply-To: <722002338.1349079.1319577005455.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emer
	yville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <4eaca.13f0f3ca.3bd826d8@aol.com>
	<722002338.1349079.1319577005455.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20111025221122.5F31E18786B@autox.team.net>

At 05:10 PM 10/25/2011, Gary Winblad wrote:
 >Yeah, grouchy old Andy showed him and 3 kids in his Tiger as one of only
 >four family photos.  Even though he bad mouths it and doesn't recognize
 >you guys that tried to contact him, I got to believe he loved his Tiger like
 >the rest of us....

I will simply say that I have had some private correspondence with 
Rooney, on a different topic than his Tiger, and he rapidly made it 
obvious that he is, all in all, a very unlikable person.  He will 
agree with you in a way that makes it obvious that he believes you to 
be the dirt under his feet.

Never cared for his stupid commentaries on CBS but, then, I do not 
care for CBS, so he probably fitted in well there.

Marc


It is a good world for doing good deeds.
-- Nathaniel the Faun

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 18:04:40 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:04:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ...and another Sunbeam sighting
In-Reply-To: <3B7DDB5F-2857-4379-9350-1FCFFE6086E4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc9372$dea8c8e0$6501a8c0@Brennan>

Peter wrote:

typical, our little sunbeams "always the bridesmaid and never the bride"

Well... Considering what happened to the Alpines featured with the
Governator and Liz Taylor, the bridesmaid role ain't so bad...

Stu

From jeff.holt7 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 18:21:36 2011
From: jeff.holt7 at gmail.com (Jeff Holt)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:21:36 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?
Message-ID: <1A5E2C97-15D3-47A8-8F8D-0B08D71F74BD@gmail.com>

The battery goes dead after a few trips around the block. I just had the
alternator bench tested and the technician says its almost new "out of the
box" as he says it.

He said voltage regulator, most likely. I'll pull that and have it checked
but, any other culprits? The battery charges full over night.

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 19:35:48 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?
In-Reply-To: <1A5E2C97-15D3-47A8-8F8D-0B08D71F74BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc937f$96ed1030$6501a8c0@Brennan>

You say a fully charged battery goes dead after a few trips around the
block?  That's odd. I once drove my Tiger home from a TE/AE united, 3
hours all highway, with a non charging generator.  A brush fractured, it
turns out.  Ammeter on discharge all the way.  It was a sunny day so I
didn't need headlights or wipers.  Plenty of power left when I got home,
the voltmeter still up, the car restarted easily.  So either you live on
an overly large block, or something else is going on.  Not only must you
be getting no charging, but something could also be dragging the battery
down real fast.

More likely...

A typical good battery is maybe 50 or 60 amp hours, which means that it
could supply 1 amp for 50 hours, 2 amps for 30 hours, etc.  OK, not
exactly,  but these numbers are decent estimates.  So if you are
flattening a fully charged good battery in a few minutes, something must
be drawing a heck of a lot of current.  You should be able to feel the
heat. So this scenario, while not impossible, is also unlikely 

More likely: Are are you sure the battery is good?  Yes, you may be
getting no charging, but if the battery is on its last legs, you can
charge the heck out of it overnight and it won't last long.

Let us know what you find.

Stu

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 19:46:55 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:46:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?
In-Reply-To: <1A5E2C97-15D3-47A8-8F8D-0B08D71F74BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <841345116.1362814.1319593615188.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Your wiring.


----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Holt <jeff.holt7 at gmail.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:21:36 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?

The battery goes dead after a few trips around the block. I just had the
alternator bench tested and the technician says its almost new "out of the
box" as he says it.

He said voltage regulator, most likely. I'll pull that and have it checked
but, any other culprits? The battery charges full over night.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Oct 25 21:53:26 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:53:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?
In-Reply-To: <1A5E2C97-15D3-47A8-8F8D-0B08D71F74BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3F85D8DA652423D8F4D0A2D8F08CA8F@ronpc1>

Jeff
	1st, I would disconnect the battery cables, fully charge the battery
then let it set to see if the voltage drops below 12v.  If the battery is OK
hook up the ground cable then touch the positive cable to the + terminal if
you get a big spark there is something very wrong.

	If a diode goes bad in an alternator it can drain the battery but
since the alternator is the drain it will feel warm to the touch.   Check
the alternator, starter relay and starter motor to see if one of them is
getting warm or hot to the touch.

	The voltage regulator should regulate the voltage from the
alternator @ 13 to 15V anything less than 12v is probably a bad regulator.
I would check this with a meter at the battery.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jeff Holt
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:22 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?


The battery goes dead after a few trips around the block. I just had the
alternator bench tested and the technician says its almost new "out of the
box" as he says it.

He said voltage regulator, most likely. I'll pull that and have it checked
but, any other culprits? The battery charges full over night.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 26 09:17:02 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:17:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?
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Gary I have had your problem on not on my Tiger but everyday autos as well over the years. Ron is right in everything he says but what catches my attention is your statement that the battery goes dead after a few trips around the block. IF the battery is fully charged, as you have stated, you should be able to drive several miles with the head lights off-- less of course the more accessories that are running. Its a guess but I think you may well have a dead cell in your battery. Naturaly you want to check the VR but as Ron said if you are getting 13-15 volts at the battery with the engine running, it isnt the charging syestem and the battery will show a full charge on the chargers meter even with a dead cell IIRC. Auto Zone and most of these type parts stores will put a load tester on the battery free of charge. Good luck and let us know what the problem was- especially since Lucas is involved.
regards, TtT


>________________________________
>From: Gary Winblad <garywinblad at comcast.net>
>To: Jeff Holt <jeff.holt7 at gmail.com>
>Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?
>
>Your wiring.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jeff Holt <jeff.holt7 at gmail.com>
>To: tigers at autox.team.net
>Sent: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:21:36 -0000 (UTC)
>Subject: [Tigers] Voltage regulator?
>
>The battery goes dead after a few trips around the block. I just had the
>alternator bench tested and the technician says its almost new "out of the
>box" as he says it.
>
>He said voltage regulator, most likely. I'll pull that and have it checked
>but, any other culprits? The battery charges full over night.
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>
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From cars at wt-inc.com  Wed Oct 26 11:18:49 2011
From: cars at wt-inc.com (cars at wt-inc.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:18:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for a set of 2.88 gears
Message-ID: <003601cc9403$53c2f480$fb48dd80$@com>

Hello all,

 

A good friend and member of our Tiger community is looking for a set of 2.88
gears.  He is not a member of this list so I am posting this request for
him.

 

If any of you have an available set please contact him directly.  I have
copied him on this email..

 

Thanks in advance

 

Lynn

From crbernardino at mac.com  Thu Oct 27 00:04:00 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:04:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk/Boot needed for Tiger Mk1A
Message-ID: <24BAF0A0-A999-46F8-90AA-E641F811E465@mac.com>

Does anyone have a trunk/boot for a Tiger. I have a MK1A (round corner) and can do local pickup in Northern CA. My trunk has always been a little bent and I suspect that is the culprit of having exhaust smell enter my cabin with the hardtop on. I would prefer Carnival Red, although it still probably not a perfect color match but at least a bolt up would be close.
Thanks in advance,
Rob

Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct 27 07:23:33 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:23:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk/Boot needed for Tiger Mk1A
In-Reply-To: <24BAF0A0-A999-46F8-90AA-E641F811E465@mac.com>
Message-ID: <698FB3CE532145D2B231684CC4D034C3@ronpc1>

Rob
	The exhaust smell can be a tricky problem to resolve.   You can use
a paper strip or a dollar bill between the boot and the seal to see if there
is drag.   A good light inside the boot and a darkened room would show any
leak areas.   There are several points where the fumes could enter and there
was a discussion on this subject here some time ago.

	A friend has the similar problem on his Tiger but we have not had
the time to investigate.   One item I want to look at on his Tiger is the
seal between the bumper mount and the body.   I think this could be the main
cause since it is very close to the exhaust pipes and in a turbulent air
stream.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rob Bernardino
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:04 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk/Boot needed for Tiger Mk1A


Does anyone have a trunk/boot for a Tiger. I have a MK1A (round corner) and
can do local pickup in Northern CA. My trunk has always been a little bent
and I suspect that is the culprit of having exhaust smell enter my cabin
with the hardtop on. I would prefer Carnival Red, although it still probably
not a perfect color match but at least a bolt up would be close. Thanks in
advance, Rob

Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519
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From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com  Thu Oct 27 13:25:13 2011
From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, T.P. (Timothy))
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:25:13 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust fumes in cockpit
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The exhaust smell was corrected on my car after I sealed ALL of the holes in
the trunk area ... as the car moves down the road a vacuum is created behind
the car and it actually draws exhaust into ANY opening under the floor or in
the bumper locations. Given the better seal with the hard top the moment we
opend a window it created a vacuum in the cockpit and it literally sucked
exhaust from the ventilated openings in the rear area of the car. The only
solution is to completely seal the luggage compartment.

Best Regards,

Tim Ronak
Senior Services Consultant
AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA
23961 Via El Rocio
Mission Viejo,  CA  92691
Ph: (949) 289-3357
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From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com  Thu Oct 27 13:28:15 2011
From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, T.P. (Timothy))
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:28:15 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Square Hood and Radiator available
Message-ID: <1E5F750DA2A99748909713C645CDBDA5013208D818D3@AMDCG61.d30.intra>

Guys I am in South Orange County California and have a MINT square corner hood
(white) and a recored radiator (used for 1 year but in PERFECT condition) for
a 66 Tiger. I do not want to give them away and expect they are worth around
$400 for the Hood and $300 for the Rad ... make me a decent offer and PICK
THEM UP as I do not want to deal with shipping.

First come first served.
Best Regards,
Tim Ronak
Senior Services Consultant
AkzoNobel Automotive and Aerospace Coatings NA
23961 Via El Rocio
Mission Viejo,  CA  92691
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From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Thu Oct 27 16:36:50 2011
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] TAC Event December 3rd in Naples, Florida
Message-ID: <1319755010.36734.YahooMailClassic@web83707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

To All Interested Tiger Owners,Perspective Owners and Guests,
      On Saturday December 3rd we will be having another TAC Event at my
warehouse in Naples, Florida. If you need your car inspected, want to meet
some great people and see their cars or just want to come visit, we would
encourage you to "come on down".  We will start around 10am and will be around
all day. 
      My warehouse is located at 3073 Vanburen Ave, Naples,Florida 34112.  The
phone number is 239-732-1704.  My cell number is 704-564-3831.  Please feel
free to call me if you have any questions.
      If you plan to attend to have your car TAC'd, please let me know.  I
look forward to seeing you.

Paul
Paul R Sheahan

From Rollright at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 06:34:22 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:34:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware
Message-ID: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>

Hello,
 
After going to my local Ace hardware store and finding they didn't have  
about half of what I need for my bumper project, I'm asking:
 
Can I get suggestions for online hardware/fastener suppliers, please?   I'm 
finding 7/16 UNF and 1/2 UNF in the lengths I need, to be a bit of  a 
challenge.  A source that is EASY to use would suite me best. I've  been 
challenged by what I came up with on a Google search.
 
Thanks in advance,  

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  
382002083
LRXFE

From crbernardino at mac.com  Fri Oct 28 07:31:19 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:31:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A Spare tire
Message-ID: <843018A3-F748-4025-8D06-91F8BCC2F26A@mac.com>

Saw this nice looking Tiger on ebay. However, what is up with the spare tire arrangement. Looks alpine to me. Do MkI's have spares set like that?
Rob


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-red-260ci-immaculate-lightweight-and-fast-Shelby-power-/260877803319?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cbd875f37#ht_500wt_1182



Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Fri Oct 28 08:19:51 2011
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:19:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware
In-Reply-To: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
References: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647339BBC59AFFD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Totally stainless is awesome. If you want stainless...certainly no OE or
correct for the purists...

http://www.totallystainless.com/

Cullen
1452 LROFE




Hello,

After going to my local Ace hardware store and finding they didn't have
about half of what I need for my bumper project, I'm asking:

Can I get suggestions for online hardware/fastener suppliers, please?   I'm
finding 7/16 UNF and 1/2 UNF in the lengths I need, to be a bit of  a
challenge.  A source that is EASY to use would suite me best. I've  been
challenged by what I came up with on a Google search.

Thanks in advance,

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A
382002083
LRXFE
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From rssmithiq at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 08:23:24 2011
From: rssmithiq at gmail.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:23:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware
In-Reply-To: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
References: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EAABADC.5010809@gmail.com>

Jim-

I have not looked for these specific bolts, but you might try 
McMaster-Carr.  You can order from them online and they have most anything.

www.mcmaster.com/

-Randy

On 10/28/2011 8:34 AM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> After going to my local Ace hardware store and finding they didn't have
> about half of what I need for my bumper project, I'm asking:
>
> Can I get suggestions for online hardware/fastener suppliers, please?   I'm
> finding 7/16 UNF and 1/2 UNF in the lengths I need, to be a bit of  a
> challenge.  A source that is EASY to use would suite me best. I've  been
> challenged by what I came up with on a Google search.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
>
> -- 
>
> Randy Smith
> INNER QUEST, Inc.
> 34752 Charles Town Pike
> Purcellville, VA  20132
> 703-478-1078
> 540-668-6699
> 540-668-6253 fax
>
> InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
> Randy at InnerQuestOnline.com <mailto:Randy at InnerQuestOnline.com>
> Tiger- B382000189

From crbernardino at mac.com  Fri Oct 28 07:29:06 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:29:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk and leaking exhaust
Message-ID: <FEF1A6F8-3406-43DC-A3FB-7AB157DE335B@mac.com>

Great ideas. However, I don't need a piece of paper. There is a big gap, and the trunk is truly bent and doesn't seal. I have doubled up the seal with some home depot weather seal and it still seams to leak. As an experiment, I am taping the seams closed around the trunk with painters tape; I let you know if it makes a difference. Regardless, I need a new trunk because it visibly is wrong. 

One question for the group, any thoughts of exhaust length past the body. My exhaust pipes protrude about 4-5 inches. Could this be an issue? I notice modern cars aim for exhausts just in line with the car. Some even have the exhaust buried, like the 7 series BMW or the VW New Beetle.

I might consider shortening my pipes.
Rob

From mark.rense at ge.com  Fri Oct 28 09:22:56 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:22:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware
In-Reply-To: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
References: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0B3194F3@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Jim,
The industrial hardware "bible" is McMaster-Carr. They are my go-to for
hardware. They take credit cards and you can set up a dummy company
account easily.

www.mcmaster.com

Here's just their 7/16-20 threaded rod selection:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-threaded-rods/=eos3k4


Bugz

-Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:34 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware

Hello,

After going to my local Ace hardware store and finding they didn't have
about half of what I need for my bumper project, I'm asking:

Can I get suggestions for online hardware/fastener suppliers, please?
I'm
finding 7/16 UNF and 1/2 UNF in the lengths I need, to be a bit of  a
challenge.  A source that is EASY to use would suite me best. I've  been
challenged by what I came up with on a Google search.

Thanks in advance,

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A
382002083
LRXFE
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From genepadgett at comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 09:41:44 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:41:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware
In-Reply-To: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <352908033.1519463.1319816504960.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Jim, I know finding lengths in other than 1/2 inch increments can be a
challenge. I have ocassionally found sizes I need on ebay of all places. Some
times the industrial supply houses carry the desired lengths. I would also
check with your local Caterpiller equipment service department.B  Higher
quality bolts plus they haveB  CAT molded into the top!



Cheers, Gene



----- Original Message -----


From: Rollright at aol.com
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 7:34:22 AM
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware

Hello,
B 
After going to my local Ace hardware store and finding they didn't have B 
about half of what I need for my bumper project, I'm asking:
B 
Can I get suggestions for online hardware/fastener suppliers, please? B  I'm
finding 7/16 UNF and 1/2 UNF in the lengths I need, to be a bit of B a
challenge. B A source that is EASY to use would suite me best. I've B been
challenged by what I came up with on a Google search.
B 
Thanks in advance, B 

Jim B Armstrong
Mk 1A B 
382002083
LRXFE
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From allanballard at att.net  Fri Oct 28 09:59:15 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:59:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware
In-Reply-To: <4EAABADC.5010809@gmail.com>
References: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
  <4EAABADC.5010809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA40EFDD-B2B7-4703-A2CF-A4F8704E2657@att.net>

I took a broken over rider bolt to the best ACE in this area and they ordered
carriage bolts
in the length needed.

The only difference from the factory bolts is that they don't have a square
head to hold the bolt securely within
the over rider while tightening but they do have a domed end, enabling the
rubber part to
fit nicely.

However since they are new I was able to tighten them easily.

Good luck!

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Randy Smith wrote:

> Jim-
>
> I have not looked for these specific bolts, but you might try
> McMaster-Carr.  You can order from them online and they have most anything.
>
> www.mcmaster.com/
>
> -Randy
>
> On 10/28/2011 8:34 AM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> After going to my local Ace hardware store and finding they didn't have
>> about half of what I need for my bumper project, I'm asking:
>>
>> Can I get suggestions for online hardware/fastener suppliers, please?
I'm
>> finding 7/16 UNF and 1/2 UNF in the lengths I need, to be a bit of  a
>> challenge.  A source that is EASY to use would suite me best. I've  been
>> challenged by what I came up with on a Google search.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Jim  Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083
>> LRXFE
>>
>> --
>>
>> Randy Smith
>> INNER QUEST, Inc.
>> 34752 Charles Town Pike
>> Purcellville, VA  20132
>> 703-478-1078
>> 540-668-6699
>> 540-668-6253 fax
>>
>> InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
>> Randy at InnerQuestOnline.com <mailto:Randy at InnerQuestOnline.com>
>> Tiger- B382000189
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 10:04:27 2011
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:04:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A Spare tire
Message-ID: <175ab.1880b3c4.3bdc2c8b@aol.com>

Don't think I ever saw a Tiger with that spare set-up, nor with a cover  
over the battery. Also, check out the floor mats. Though they don't look to be 
 permanent they are not original. I'm personally not crazy about the gold 
tone  wheels, either.
 
Just my $0.02; can't afford the current bid of $47,000.
 
Fred Baum
9470768
382003523
 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2011 11:04:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
crbernardino at mac.com writes:

Saw this  nice looking Tiger on ebay. However, what is up with the spare 
tire  arrangement. Looks alpine to me. Do MkI's have spares set like  that?
Rob


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-red-260ci-imma
culate-lightweight-and-fast-Shelby-power-/260877803319?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&has
h=item3cbd875f37#ht_500wt_1182



Rob  in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color  Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC#  0519
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Oct 28 10:36:52 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:36:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware
In-Reply-To: <340f6.1241ea8.3bdbfb4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D57AB40274384B56A6E4D919884392D6@ronpc1>

Jim
	Here are some suggestions plus be aware you may not find the correct
bolt in fine thread and have to go with a coarse thread bolt.

Fastenal	They have a large selection but you may have to buy
quantities of each bolt size

AMK - www.amkproducts.com

Au-ve-co	You might want to check to see if there is a Dealer for them
in your area.

http://www.britishfasteners.com/	I have not done any business with
this company but web page is interesting for
British fasteners and tools.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:34 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] bolts and hardware


Hello,

After going to my local Ace hardware store and finding they didn't have
about half of what I need for my bumper project, I'm asking:

Can I get suggestions for online hardware/fastener suppliers, please?   I'm
finding 7/16 UNF and 1/2 UNF in the lengths I need, to be a bit of  a
challenge.  A source that is EASY to use would suite me best. I've  been
challenged by what I came up with on a Google search.

Thanks in advance,

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A
382002083
LRXFE
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Oct 28 11:01:16 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:01:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A Spare tire
In-Reply-To: <843018A3-F748-4025-8D06-91F8BCC2F26A@mac.com>
References: <843018A3-F748-4025-8D06-91F8BCC2F26A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4EAADFDC.2040203@mayfco.com>

I just a few weeks ago returned from the TEAE United and there were a 
fair number of cars. I gotta tell you that there were a lot of different 
trunk and gas tank arrangements in bonafide cars.  I took a lot of 
pictures getting ideas for mine. So I would not claim this car to be an 
Alpine based on that alone.

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 10/28/2011 6:31 AM, Rob Bernardino wrote:
> Saw this nice looking Tiger on ebay. However, what is up with the spare tire arrangement. Looks alpine to me. Do MkI's have spares set like that?
> Rob
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-red-260ci-immaculate-lightweight-and-fast-Shelby-power-/260877803319?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cbd875f37#ht_500wt_1182
>
>
>
> Rob in Carmel, CA
> 1966 Mk1A Tiger
> B382000262 LRXFE
> JAL660245
> Color Code 39: Carnival Red
> TAC# 0519
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>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Oct 28 11:04:28 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:04:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A Spare tire
In-Reply-To: <843018A3-F748-4025-8D06-91F8BCC2F26A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7D1C2425F9AE410EAFA600AC1FCDC782@ronpc1>

Rob
	Yes it does look Alpine.  TBON states that all Tigers had the wooden
trunk platform.
It is very difficult from the picture to determine but it almost looks like
the floor mount for the tire is there under the carpet.

Obviously this Tiger needs to be seen in person before purchase.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rob Bernardino
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:31 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A Spare tire


Saw this nice looking Tiger on ebay. However, what is up with the spare tire
arrangement. Looks alpine to me. Do MkI's have spares set like that? Rob


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-red-260ci-imma
culate-lightweight-and-fast-Shelby-power-/260877803319?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&has
h=item3cbd875f37#ht_500wt_1182



Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Oct 28 12:59:37 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:59:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1A Spare tire
In-Reply-To: <7D1C2425F9AE410EAFA600AC1FCDC782@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <20111028145937.EON3I.1078700.imail@eastrmwml45>

Guys:

Since the pic of the trunk shows the floor mat instead of a bare trunk floor, we can't see if the original Tiger spare tire mount (or what may be left of it) is on the floor.  Assuming that it is not (since there is no hump in the carpet mat where the spare tire mount should be), they I'd wager that the trunk floor has been replaced at one point for one reason or another.  Another interesting point here is that the little metal "ear" that should be located on the passenger side frame rail for the factory battery hold-down bracket to mount to (one of two, but the only one we could see with the battery in-situ) also appears to be missing.  Without being able to see pics of the car with a "naked" trunk area it's really difficult to tell what might have happened here.  Maybe a floor replacement?  Maybe a rear clip?

The fact that the car is evidenlty being marketed by a dealer of some sort also helps to cloud the issue.  The statement made in the ad regarding the fact that the car's numbers have been authenticated by the "Sunbeam owners club" is, at best, vague.  Now, I"m not saying the car is not an authentic Tiger...but, there are some inconsistencies here that either the seller is not aware of or is leaving to a potential buyer to ferret out for themselves.  

My .02 worth,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

----  Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: 
> Rob
> 	Yes it does look Alpine.  TBON states that all Tigers had the wooden
> trunk platform.
> It is very difficult from the picture to determine but it almost looks like
> the floor mount for the tire is there under the carpet.
> 
> Obviously this Tiger needs to be seen in person before purchase.
> 
> Ron Fraser

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Oct 28 15:14:01 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:14:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk and leaking exhaust
References: <FEF1A6F8-3406-43DC-A3FB-7AB157DE335B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3816A2E98D7A404A84EC513090F00E4D@student2>

With the advent of battery power camcorders, cameras in cell phone etc I 
would recommend the following:

Tape some yarn at various spots internally around the trunk opening and any 
other suspect area.  Use a light source (flashlight - perhaps diffused) to 
illuminate and position the camera (start the camera). Close the trunk. 
Then drive around at speed, stop and playback.  The movement of the yarn 
will indicate where the air is coming in.  It may take a few tries to get 
the exposure correct and the camera positioned where needed, but it may take 
some of the mystery out of the problem.

Tom


> Great ideas. However, I don't need a piece of paper. There is a big gap, 
> and the trunk is truly bent and doesn't seal. I have doubled up the seal 
> with some home depot weather seal and it still seams to leak. As an 
> experiment, I am taping the seams closed around the trunk with painters 
> tape; I let you know if it makes a difference. Regardless, I need a new 
> trunk because it visibly is wrong.
>
> One question for the group, any thoughts of exhaust length past the body. 
> My exhaust pipes protrude about 4-5 inches. Could this be an issue? I 
> notice modern cars aim for exhausts just in line with the car. Some even 
> have the exhaust buried, like the 7 series BMW or the VW New Beetle.
>
> I might consider shortening my pipes.
> Rob

From jeff.holt7 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 20:26:58 2011
From: jeff.holt7 at gmail.com (Jeff Holt)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:26:58 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Timing and Carb adjustment
Message-ID: <F7534600-ABDD-4E8D-B5B7-A7C8D0F27555@gmail.com>

I'm doing the initial adjustments on this 302 with the T-5 replacement.

So, I finally got the full advance worked into the timing. The problem was the
idle was too high, 1350 rpms. So when I adjusted the idle down to 750 RPM-800
RPM, I set the initial (no-vacuum) advance at 15 degrees before top dead
center, and the advance at 3000 (all-in) was 36 degrees before TDC. Is that
idle correct?

The drive around the block was much better this time but the engine backfires
a lot when I back off the accelerator, and it "chugs" badly in second gear,
just cruising down a low speed street. I am assuming this is a too lean
mixture? Any thoughts on the carb adjustments I should follow? Mixture?

Jeff Holt
Huntsville, UT


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct 29 08:24:02 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:24:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Timing and Carb adjustment
In-Reply-To: <F7534600-ABDD-4E8D-B5B7-A7C8D0F27555@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9CD86C99DD440ABBD164D3225E3E81C@ronpc1>

Jeff
	What Carb are you using?  What size jets?  Have you checked and
graphed your advance curve?

Idle rpm seems about right.   Initial timing seems high but I don't know
your engine configuration.

Chugging could be a loss of vacuum, carb is too big or advance is too much.

The best way to adjust the carb is with an O2 sensor but that's probably not
an option here.

Engine warm - set idle to 1000 rpm - use vacuum gage to obtain highest
vacuum level while adjusting idle screws - drop rpm to idle - test drive -
if OK your done.

If not adjust idle screws at idle with rpm - find the point where the rpm
drops off turning idle screws in and out - set screws to about the middle of
that range - test drive.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jeff Holt
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:27 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Timing and Carb adjustment


I'm doing the initial adjustments on this 302 with the T-5 replacement.

So, I finally got the full advance worked into the timing. The problem was
the idle was too high, 1350 rpms. So when I adjusted the idle down to 750
RPM-800 RPM, I set the initial (no-vacuum) advance at 15 degrees before top
dead center, and the advance at 3000 (all-in) was 36 degrees before TDC. Is
that idle correct?

The drive around the block was much better this time but the engine
backfires a lot when I back off the accelerator, and it "chugs" badly in
second gear, just cruising down a low speed street. I am assuming this is a
too lean mixture? Any thoughts on the carb adjustments I should follow?
Mixture?

Jeff Holt
Huntsville, UT


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From rande at thecia.net  Sat Oct 29 09:50:49 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:50:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] spark plugs
Message-ID: <4eac20d9.5a88.0@thecia.net>

Anyone needing the original Autolite BF42 plugs contact me offline

RB

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sun Oct 30 18:18:14 2011
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:18:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel
Message-ID: <40d4d.4df15a6d.3bdf5156@aol.com>

After being at the mechanics shop(3 years) and having the engine,  brakes, 
gas tanks and just about everything else done the steering wheel decided  to 
commit suicide. Any suggestions?

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Sun Oct 30 23:32:29 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:32:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <40d4d.4df15a6d.3bdf5156@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1102421202.1613385.1320042749416.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

B B B  I am sure others can give you the names and contact info for some
people that rebuild the wheels. I do not have the info handy and have no
direct experience with them to share.B But if you decide to replace rather
than have yours rebuilt, I suggest you have a serious look at Moto-Lita
steering wheels. They are a UK company and have a website. They offer many
different styles and diameters of wood rimmed wheels that go well with our
classic cars.B One particularly nice thing is that they have a hub adapter
that allows you to still have the telescoping function. There also is a horn
activation button in the center of the wheel.B B  You can even get a Sunbeam
emblem for the center of the horn button.

B B B  You can buy directly from the company website.B  However, i f you are
interested in purchasing one of their wheels, I highly recommend contacting
Bryan JonesB at Bryan Jones Autoquip Ltd.B B Bryan is one of the finest
peopleB  with whom you will ever deal (no affiliation on my part, just an
extremely satisfied customer). His email is bryan at jones6299.freeservice.co.uk
and you will see numerous of his offerings on ebay.uk under the seller name
classicsteering wheels.

B B  Cheers, Gene

----- Original Message -----




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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:18:14 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel

After being at the mechanics shop(3 years) and having the engine, B brakes,
gas tanks and just about everything else done the steering wheel decided B to
commit suicide. Any suggestions?
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From Carmods at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 06:33:04 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:33:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Failure
Message-ID: <1520c.aeb1aee.3bdffd90@aol.com>

AAAGLASS,
 
Where or how did the steering wheel fail?
 
John Logan
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/30/2011 10:05:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
AAAGLASSS at aol.com writes:

After  being at the mechanics shop(3 years) and having the engine,  brakes, 
 
gas tanks and just about everything else done the steering wheel  decided  
to 
commit suicide. Any  suggestions?

From harryb at elams.org  Mon Oct 31 14:36:17 2011
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry Elam)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:36:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger steering wheel
Message-ID: <4EAF14D1.3090808@elams.org>

Contact Ken Corbin in Aurora Colorado. They can repair/replace the wood, 
cast a new hub and/or sell you a completed wheel. I really like their work.
creedo at ix.netcom.com or 303-364-5787.

Harry Elam
B382000471

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 14:40:44 2011
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:40:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger steering wheel
Message-ID: <bb85.e42f16.3be06fdb@aol.com>

Thanks everyone. Wood has broken loose from steel. I will probably get it  
repaired. 
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2011 2:36:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
harryb at elams.org writes:

Contact  Ken Corbin in Aurora Colorado. They can repair/replace the wood, 
cast a  new hub and/or sell you a completed wheel. I really like their  
work.
creedo at ix.netcom.com or 303-364-5787.

Harry  Elam
B382000471

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 17:14:32 2011
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:14:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
Message-ID: <47a51.149c0601.3be093e8@aol.com>

This should be good for our economy, putting many "cottage industries" to  
work.
 
_Click  here: Ford Rolls Out a Reproduction Body Shell for the 1965 Mustang 
Convertible  - MSN Autos_ 
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=62e4d9a0-963a-4caa-9ea7-a4264f3688fa)  
 
"Ford is displaying the 1965 body shell at _SEMA_ 
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/autoshow/SEMA/default.aspx)  next week in Las Vegas. The company also 
has  licensed complete body shells for the 1967-68 and 1969-70 fastback  
models."

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 18:03:55 2011
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:03:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <47a51.149c0601.3be093e8@aol.com>
References: <47a51.149c0601.3be093e8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1320109435.8551.YahooMailNeo@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

So do we consider these real Mustangs once complete... particularly if someone
uses it to restore a rusted out original? Or is it a fake "rebody"? If the
same was available for Tigers... would they be real Tigers?


Stephen
 From:
"TIGEROOTES at aol.com" <TIGEROOTES at aol.com>

To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent:
Monday, October 31, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a
new '65 Mustang Convertible?

This should be good for our economy, putting
many "cottage industries" to  
work.

_Click  here: Ford Rolls Out a
Reproduction Body Shell for the 1965 Mustang 
Convertible  - MSN Autos_
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=62e4d9a0-963a-4
caa-9ea7-a4264f3688fa)  

"Ford is displaying the 1965 body shell at _SEMA_
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/autoshow/SEMA/default.aspx)  next week in Las
Vegas. The company also 
has  licensed complete body shells for the 1967-68
and 1969-70 fastback  
models."
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 18:55:26 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:55:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
Message-ID: <14d34.6fcd717e.3be0ab8e@aol.com>

I compare them with 32 Fords.  Do you want an all steel  body or a 
fiberglass one?  I know when it comes to sell which one I would  want.
 
I'm guessing someone might be able to buy and  restore an original 65 
convertible for what it would cost to build a fiberglass  model.  And again, when 
you came time to sell, which would you rather be  selling?
Just my opinion.
M
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:46:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gswaybright at yahoo.com writes:

So do we  consider these real Mustangs once complete... particularly if 
someone
uses  it to restore a rusted out original? Or is it a fake "rebody"? If the
same  was available for Tigers... would they be real  Tigers?


Stephen
From:
"TIGEROOTES at aol.com"  <TIGEROOTES at aol.com>

To:  tigers at autox.team.net
Sent:
Monday, October 31, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject:  [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a
new '65 Mustang Convertible?

This  should be good for our economy, putting
many "cottage industries" to   
work.

_Click  here: Ford Rolls Out a
Reproduction Body  Shell for the 1965 Mustang 
Convertible  - MSN  Autos_
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=62e4d9a0-963a-
4
caa-9ea7-a4264f3688fa)   

"Ford is displaying the 1965 body shell at  _SEMA_
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/autoshow/SEMA/default.aspx)   next week in 
Las
Vegas. The company also 
has  licensed complete  body shells for the 1967-68
and 1969-70 fastback   
models."
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From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 19:08:55 2011
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:08:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <14d34.6fcd717e.3be0ab8e@aol.com>
References: <14d34.6fcd717e.3be0ab8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1320113335.38753.YahooMailNeo@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

These are all steel, (in some ways better than original), tooling built from
original Ford specs and authorized by Ford. Not at all like a fiberglass
bodied, custom frames 32 Ford look-alike. 

 
Stephen Waybright

From:
"CoolVT at aol.com" <CoolVT at aol.com>

To: gswaybright at yahoo.com;
tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:55 PM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?


I compare
them with 32 Fords.  Do you want an all steel 
body or a fiberglass one?  I
know when it comes to sell which one I would 
want.
 
I'm guessing someone
might be able to buy and 
restore an original 65 convertible for what it would
cost to build a fiberglass 
model.  And again, when you came time to sell,
which would you rather be 
selling?
Just my opinion.
M
 
In a message dated
10/31/2011 9:46:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
gswaybright at yahoo.com writes:
So do we  consider these real Mustangs once complete... particularly if
someone
>uses 
  it to restore a rusted out original? Or is it a fake
"rebody"? If the
>same 
  was available for Tigers... would they be real
Tigers?
>
>
>Stephen
>From:
>"TIGEROOTES at aol.com" 
  <TIGEROOTES at aol.com>
>
>To: 
  tigers at autox.team.net
>Sent:
>Monday, October 31, 2011 7:14 PM
>Subject: 
  [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a
>new '65 Mustang Convertible?
>
>This 
  should be good for our economy, putting
>many "cottage industries"
to  
>work.
>
>_Click  here: Ford Rolls Out a
>Reproduction Body 
  Shell for
the 1965 Mustang 
>Convertible  - MSN 
  Autos_
>(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=62e4d9a0-963a-4
>caa-9ea7-a4264f3688fa)  
>
>"Ford is displaying the 1965 body shell at
_SEMA_
>(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/autoshow/SEMA/default.aspx)  
  next
week in Las
>Vegas. The company also 
>has  licensed complete 
  body shells
for the 1967-68
>and 1969-70 fastback  
>models."
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From jim at island.net  Mon Oct 31 19:27:39 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim at island.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:27:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <14d34.6fcd717e.3be0ab8e@aol.com>
References: <14d34.6fcd717e.3be0ab8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111031192739.13441ylu6m0wardn@webmail.uniserve.com>

How did the word 'fiberglass' come into this conversation...??

Jim
B382000446


> I compare them with 32 Fords.  Do you want an all steel  body or a
> fiberglass one?  I know when it comes to sell which one I would  want.
>
> I'm guessing someone might be able to buy and  restore an original 65
> convertible for what it would cost to build a fiberglass  model.   
> And again, when
> you came time to sell, which would you rather be  selling?
> Just my opinion.
> M
>
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:46:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> gswaybright at yahoo.com writes:
>
> So do we  consider these real Mustangs once complete... particularly if
> someone
> uses  it to restore a rusted out original? Or is it a fake "rebody"? If the
> same  was available for Tigers... would they be real  Tigers?
>
>
> Stephen
> From:
> "TIGEROOTES at aol.com"  <TIGEROOTES at aol.com>
>
> To:  tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent:
> Monday, October 31, 2011 7:14 PM
> Subject:  [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a
> new '65 Mustang Convertible?
>
> This  should be good for our economy, putting
> many "cottage industries" to
> work.
>
> _Click  here: Ford Rolls Out a
> Reproduction Body  Shell for the 1965 Mustang
> Convertible  - MSN  Autos_
> (http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=62e4d9a0-963a-
> 4
> caa-9ea7-a4264f3688fa)
>
> "Ford is displaying the 1965 body shell at  _SEMA_
> (http://editorial.autos.msn.com/autoshow/SEMA/default.aspx)   next week in
> Las
> Vegas. The company also
> has  licensed complete  body shells for the 1967-68
> and 1969-70 fastback
> models."
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 31 20:06:07 2011
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:06:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <1320113335.38753.YahooMailNeo@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <14d34.6fcd717e.3be0ab8e@aol.com>
	<1320113335.38753.YahooMailNeo@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8394EF1-E39D-4064-9FD0-2550231C80F2@shaw.ca>

If anyone were to make tooling for new alpine/tiger chassis, I would hope that
they would also take the time to make some improvements to the structure so
that stress cracks can be avoided. In doing so, the end result is going to be
distinguishable from a Rootes product, even if the exterior and interior is an
exact match. Using component panels from such a venture to repair an original
Tiger would be the same as using any other source of sheetmetal... If you
replace enough stuff then it can no longer be said to be a Rootes manufactured
chassis.

Unfortunately I don't think this is a problem we're going to be faced with
anytime in the near future.

Cheers,
Theo



On 2011-10-31, at 8:08 PM, Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com> wrote:

> These are all steel, (in some ways better than original), tooling built
from
> original Ford specs and authorized by Ford. Not at all like a fiberglass
> bodied, custom frames 32 Ford look-alike.
>
>
> Stephen Waybright
>
> From:
> "CoolVT at aol.com" <CoolVT at aol.com>
>
> To: gswaybright at yahoo.com;
> tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re:
> [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
>
>
> I compare
> them with 32 Fords.  Do you want an all steel
> body or a fiberglass one?  I
> know when it comes to sell which one I would
> want.
>
> I'm guessing someone
> might be able to buy and
> restore an original 65 convertible for what it would
> cost to build a fiberglass
> model.  And again, when you came time to sell,
> which would you rather be
> selling?
> Just my opinion.
> M
>
> In a message dated
> 10/31/2011 9:46:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> gswaybright at yahoo.com writes:
> So do we  consider these real Mustangs once complete... particularly if
> someone
>> uses
>  it to restore a rusted out original? Or is it a fake
> "rebody"? If the
>> same
>  was available for Tigers... would they be real
> Tigers?
>>
>>
>> Stephen
>> From:
>> "TIGEROOTES at aol.com"
>  <TIGEROOTES at aol.com>
>>
>> To:
>  tigers at autox.team.net
>> Sent:
>> Monday, October 31, 2011 7:14 PM
>> Subject:
>  [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a
>> new '65 Mustang Convertible?
>>
>> This
>  should be good for our economy, putting
>> many "cottage industries"
> to
>> work.
>>
>> _Click  here: Ford Rolls Out a
>> Reproduction Body
>  Shell for
> the 1965 Mustang
>> Convertible  - MSN
>  Autos_
>>
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=62e4d9a0-963a-4
>> caa-9ea7-a4264f3688fa)
>>
>> "Ford is displaying the 1965 body shell at
> _SEMA_
>> (http://editorial.autos.msn.com/autoshow/SEMA/default.aspx)
>  next
> week in Las
>> Vegas. The company also
>> has  licensed complete
>  body shells
> for the 1967-68
>> and 1969-70 fastback
>> models."
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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