From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  1 05:12:10 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 05:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <47a51.149c0601.3be093e8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1320149530.85462.YahooMailClassic@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't need no stinking Mustang. I bought a Chrysler Crossfire roadster powered
by super charged Mercedes..  I remember the Cobra for$6000. I missed that one.
   Gary  B9472283

--- On Tue, 11/1/11, TIGEROOTES at aol.com <TIGEROOTES at aol.com> wrote:

From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com <TIGEROOTES at aol.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 12:14 AM

This should be good for our economy, putting many "cottage industries" to 
work.

_Click  here: Ford Rolls Out a Reproduction Body Shell for the 1965 Mustang
Convertible  - MSN Autos_
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=62e4d9a0-963a-4
caa-9ea7-a4264f3688fa) 

"Ford is displaying the 1965 body shell at _SEMA_
(http://editorial.autos.msn.com/autoshow/SEMA/default.aspx)  next week in Las
Vegas. The company also
has  licensed complete body shells for the 1967-68 and 1969-70 fastback 
models."
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov  1 07:08:15 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 10:08:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
Message-ID: <4EAFFD4F.4020801@roadrunner.com>

I think the appropriate comparison might be something akin to the 
continuation series of Cobras.  Surely there will be ways to distinguish 
these cars from the originals.  If they end up being worth more than an 
original (unlikely, I would think), then it sort of argues against them 
in the first place since it would be cheaper to restore an original.  
Originality is worth a whole lot with collector cars, as everyone 
knows.  That's why a Tiger is worth more than an Alger, even though you 
can make an Alger superior to a Tiger functionally.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE (original car, original owner)

From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Nov  1 07:11:01 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:11:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Rootes Seatbelt Half
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0B3806B1@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

All,

In putting B382000991 back together I have misplaced one of the Rootes
seat belt halves. I am missing the short non-adjustable male end. If
anyone has one for sale or knows what cross-references please let me
know. These are the belts with the black buckle that say "Rootes".



Thanks,



Bugz

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Nov  1 07:47:10 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 07:47:10 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <1320149530.85462.YahooMailClassic@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320149530.85462.YahooMailClassic@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EB0066E.8020001@mayfco.com>

Ahh, but, how about a convertible GT350 version?  One that never existed 
before so no claims of it ever being anything other than what it is a 
home made muscle car so to speak...

mayf

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On 11/1/2011 5:12 AM, arado7 at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Don't need no stinking Mustang. I bought a Chrysler Crossfire roadster powered
> by super charged Mercedes..  I remember the Cobra for$6000. I missed that one.
>     Gary  B9472283
>
> --- On Tue, 11/1/11, TIGEROOTES at aol.com<TIGEROOTES at aol.com>  wrote:
>
> From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com<TIGEROOTES at aol.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 12:14 AM
>
> This should be good for our economy, putting many "cottage industries" to
> work.
>
> _Click  here: Ford Rolls Out a Reproduction Body Shell for the 1965 Mustang
> Convertible  - MSN Autos_
> (http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=62e4d9a0-963a-4
> caa-9ea7-a4264f3688fa)
>
> "Ford is displaying the 1965 body shell at _SEMA_
> (http://editorial.autos.msn.com/autoshow/SEMA/default.aspx)  next week in Las
> Vegas. The company also
> has  licensed complete body shells for the 1967-68 and 1969-70 fastback
> models."
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From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Nov  1 08:49:28 2011
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:49:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40D4EACB0@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I thought they made 4 or 5 in '66?


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From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 09:31:26 2011
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:31:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
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I recall the same... that Shelby built a handful, that were not sold publicly,
but were allocated by Shelby to friends and family. members

 
Stephen
Waybright



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I thought they made 4 or 5 in '66?


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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Tue Nov  1 09:34:25 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:34:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
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Apparently Shelby made 4 of them.  Then in 1980 Beverly Hills Mustang made 
about  a dozen of them sanctioned by Shelby.  Can't imagine what they are 
worth now.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

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I thought they made 4 or 5 in '66?


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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Nov  1 09:52:48 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:52:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
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Does anybody actually have proof that these we made?  Anything from 
Shelby? That woudl be the only source I would think.  I have heard 
speculation that they were made but never have I seen any documentation 
indicating such.

needs provenance..

mayf

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On 11/1/2011 9:34 AM, Jerry and Mo wrote:
> Apparently Shelby made 4 of them.  Then in 1980 Beverly Hills Mustang 
> made about  a dozen of them sanctioned by Shelby.  Can't imagine what 
> they are worth now.
>
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hutchinson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:49 AM
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com ; arado7 at sbcglobal.net
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net ; TIGEROOTES at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang 
> Convertible?
>
> I thought they made 4 or 5 in '66?
>
>
> Scott Hutchinson
> Pilot, NetJets Aviation
>
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From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Nov  1 11:18:05 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:18:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <4EB023E0.10001@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20111101141805.4IOC9.18169.imail@eastrmwml33>

Larry:

They are listed in the "Shelby American World Registry" and they are very real.  It's been a long time since I was closely associated with the Shelby Club, but my memory tells me there were six 1966 G.T. 350 Convertibles and, as someone else here has already pointed out, they were never publicly for sale by Shelby American.  One of those cars belongs to a friend of mine here in Oklahoma and resides in a garage at a "secret location" (in other words, the darn thing is worth too much money and he doesn't want anyone to know where it is).  However, I can vouch for the fact that it's the real McCoy; I've even ridden in it before.  This fellow has owned it for somewhere around thirty-five years.  All I can say is I wish it were mine...

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK 
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

---- Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote: 
> Does anybody actually have proof that these we made?  Anything from 
> Shelby? That woudl be the only source I would think.  I have heard 
> speculation that they were made but never have I seen any documentation 
> indicating such.
> 
> needs provenance..
> 
> mayf
> 
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
> 
> 
> On 11/1/2011 9:34 AM, Jerry and Mo wrote:
> > Apparently Shelby made 4 of them.  Then in 1980 Beverly Hills Mustang 
> > made about  a dozen of them sanctioned by Shelby.  Can't imagine what 
> > they are worth now.
> >
> > Jerry Christopherson
> > 9473187
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hutchinson
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:49 AM
> > To: drmayf at mayfco.com ; arado7 at sbcglobal.net
> > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net ; TIGEROOTES at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang 
> > Convertible?
> >
> > I thought they made 4 or 5 in '66?
> >
> >
> > Scott Hutchinson
> > Pilot, NetJets Aviation
> >
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov  1 16:42:18 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:42:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <4EB023E0.10001@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1>

mayf
	The Shelby American World Registry compiled by SAAC lists all 16
1966 GT350 convertibles.
4 were produced in 1966, 12 more were produced by Beverly Hills Mustang
between 1980 and 1982.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Jerry and Mo
Cc: TIGEROOTES at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?


Does anybody actually have proof that these we made?  Anything from 
Shelby? That woudl be the only source I would think.  I have heard 
speculation that they were made but never have I seen any documentation 
indicating such.

needs provenance..

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Nov  1 17:04:34 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:04:34 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1>
References: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>

Well, once again I am clueless, lol.  So, as another list member 
informed me as well. I was told that the 4 made by Shelby were never 
sold so they must have been  for friends and or prototypes?  Is a Shelby 
made by another company a Shelby? Even under license?   I suppose so. 
Like a Yenko Camaro I guess.   Is anything else known about the 
mustangs? Like why were they made?  Seems that 16 isn't enough for 
homologation purposes for racing so were they just for fun and sales?  
If only for sales, why so few?

I think maybe I had better stick to salt flats racing and my sunbeam, lol..

Thanks to all who corrected and informed me!

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 11/1/2011 4:42 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> mayf
> 	The Shelby American World Registry compiled by SAAC lists all 16
> 1966 GT350 convertibles.
> 4 were produced in 1966, 12 more were produced by Beverly Hills Mustang
> between 1980 and 1982.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:53 PM
> To: Jerry and Mo
> Cc: TIGEROOTES at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
>
>
> Does anybody actually have proof that these we made?  Anything from
> Shelby? That woudl be the only source I would think.  I have heard
> speculation that they were made but never have I seen any documentation
> indicating such.
>
> needs provenance..
>
> mayf
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 19:16:52 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:16:52 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>
References: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1>
	<4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <CAET8snXPnjoyQkrtvtdYdTPXpVbfFZNSER+GmxU9WReODWvjBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Larry,

I cant speak for why the mustangs were built, i'd guess not
homologation given they were 15+ years past their build dates and you
are not going to homologate a convertible for racing when you have the
stiffer coupe shell.

I'd guess it was more like the sanction 2 aston martin DB4GT Zagatos,
in the early 90's aston martin sanctioned a limited run of DB4GTZ's
from zagato to compliment the originals.. they only made a few to keep
the values high.. and they are now worth about 50% of the original
60's cars (they are all 3mill + cars!) this was done as an
image/profit making exercise.

I;d hazard a guess that shelby ould have no issue sanctioning a few
extra cars for a few extra $....

As for the tool rom copy debate.. read into any of the discussions on
the FIA HTP's... there are pros and cons.. you have priceless
originals racing against replicas (be they exact).. but is that fair..
or perhaps its good that you can race a replica and save the original?
The there are cars like the lancia D50's and ferrari-lancias, 156
shaknoses.. cars that were lots to history.. and now remade exactly so
we can see them ru nagain...





On 02/11/2011, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
> Well, once again I am clueless, lol.  So, as another list member
> informed me as well. I was told that the 4 made by Shelby were never
> sold so they must have been  for friends and or prototypes?  Is a Shelby
> made by another company a Shelby? Even under license?   I suppose so.
> Like a Yenko Camaro I guess.   Is anything else known about the
> mustangs? Like why were they made?  Seems that 16 isn't enough for
> homologation purposes for racing so were they just for fun and sales?
> If only for sales, why so few?
>
> I think maybe I had better stick to salt flats racing and my sunbeam, lol..
>
> Thanks to all who corrected and informed me!
>
> mayf
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
> On 11/1/2011 4:42 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>> mayf
>> 	The Shelby American World Registry compiled by SAAC lists all 16
>> 1966 GT350 convertibles.
>> 4 were produced in 1966, 12 more were produced by Beverly Hills Mustang
>> between 1980 and 1982.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:53 PM
>> To: Jerry and Mo
>> Cc: TIGEROOTES at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang
>> Convertible?
>>
>>
>> Does anybody actually have proof that these we made?  Anything from
>> Shelby? That woudl be the only source I would think.  I have heard
>> speculation that they were made but never have I seen any documentation
>> indicating such.
>>
>> needs provenance..
>>
>> mayf
>>
>> ______________________________
>> drmayf
>> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
>> 204.913 mph flying mile
>> 210.779 mph exit speed
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov  1 19:18:30 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <96D4E59DD0EB4EF588A9ED7B6A37796D@ronpc1>

Mayf
	According to the Registry the 4 convertibles made in 1966 were
marketing test cars for future Shelby American production.   The 4
convertibles were used as factory pool cars then sold after 6 months as per
company policy through nearby Shelby dealers.

	I have heard other accounts of these 4 cars like they were given to
employees and friends but that is hear say and not reliable information.
The facts are that they are all listed and accounted for in the Registry.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:05 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: 'Jerry and Mo'; TIGEROOTES at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?


Well, once again I am clueless, lol.  So, as another list member 
informed me as well. I was told that the 4 made by Shelby were never 
sold so they must have been  for friends and or prototypes?  Is a Shelby 
made by another company a Shelby? Even under license?   I suppose so. 
Like a Yenko Camaro I guess.   Is anything else known about the 
mustangs? Like why were they made?  Seems that 16 isn't enough for 
homologation purposes for racing so were they just for fun and sales?  
If only for sales, why so few?

I think maybe I had better stick to salt flats racing and my sunbeam, lol..

Thanks to all who corrected and informed me!

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 11/1/2011 4:42 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> mayf
> 	The Shelby American World Registry compiled by SAAC lists all 16
1966 
> GT350 convertibles. 4 were produced in 1966, 12 more were produced by 
> Beverly Hills Mustang between 1980 and 1982.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:53 PM
> To: Jerry and Mo
> Cc: TIGEROOTES at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang
Convertible?
>
>
> Does anybody actually have proof that these we made?  Anything from 
> Shelby? That woudl be the only source I would think.  I have heard 
> speculation that they were made but never have I seen any 
> documentation indicating such.
>
> needs provenance..
>
> mayf
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
>
>
>



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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Nov  2 09:41:07 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:41:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snXPnjoyQkrtvtdYdTPXpVbfFZNSER+GmxU9WReODWvjBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1><4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>
	<CAET8snXPnjoyQkrtvtdYdTPXpVbfFZNSER+GmxU9WReODWvjBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A7BBA7D63F404FA2564B127E9620D1@Roscrea>

A friend of mine who is a gold card judge for the 64,65,66 mustangs told me 
last night at our club meeting that the 4 Mustangs were all a different 
color.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From: michael king
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:16 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: TIGEROOTES at aol.com ; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang Convertible?

Larry,

I cant speak for why the mustangs were built, i'd guess not
homologation given they were 15+ years past their build dates and you
are not going to homologate a convertible for racing when you have the
stiffer coupe shell.

I'd guess it was more like the sanction 2 aston martin DB4GT Zagatos,
in the early 90's aston martin sanctioned a limited run of DB4GTZ's
from zagato to compliment the originals.. they only made a few to keep
the values high.. and they are now worth about 50% of the original
60's cars (they are all 3mill + cars!) this was done as an
image/profit making exercise.

I;d hazard a guess that shelby ould have no issue sanctioning a few
extra cars for a few extra $....

As for the tool rom copy debate.. read into any of the discussions on
the FIA HTP's... there are pros and cons.. you have priceless
originals racing against replicas (be they exact).. but is that fair..
or perhaps its good that you can race a replica and save the original?
The there are cars like the lancia D50's and ferrari-lancias, 156
shaknoses.. cars that were lots to history.. and now remade exactly so
we can see them ru nagain...





On 02/11/2011, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
> Well, once again I am clueless, lol.  So, as another list member
> informed me as well. I was told that the 4 made by Shelby were never
> sold so they must have been  for friends and or prototypes?  Is a Shelby
> made by another company a Shelby? Even under license?   I suppose so.
> Like a Yenko Camaro I guess.   Is anything else known about the
> mustangs? Like why were they made?  Seems that 16 isn't enough for
> homologation purposes for racing so were they just for fun and sales?
> If only for sales, why so few?
>
> I think maybe I had better stick to salt flats racing and my sunbeam, 
> lol..
>
> Thanks to all who corrected and informed me!
>
> mayf
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
> On 11/1/2011 4:42 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>> mayf
>> The Shelby American World Registry compiled by SAAC lists all 16
>> 1966 GT350 convertibles.
>> 4 were produced in 1966, 12 more were produced by Beverly Hills Mustang
>> between 1980 and 1982.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:53 PM
>> To: Jerry and Mo
>> Cc: TIGEROOTES at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: Want to buy a new '65 Mustang
>> Convertible?
>>
>>
>> Does anybody actually have proof that these we made?  Anything from
>> Shelby? That woudl be the only source I would think.  I have heard
>> speculation that they were made but never have I seen any documentation
>> indicating such.
>>
>> needs provenance..
>>
>> mayf
>>
>> ______________________________
>> drmayf
>> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
>> 204.913 mph flying mile
>> 210.779 mph exit speed
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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>


-- 
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  2 18:12:01 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale
Message-ID: <54355045-CA03-4463-83E4-4D26EC1ED0B4@yahoo.com>

I've listed one of my two Tigers on ebay, if you know of any interested
parties, pass them my way, thanks.  I'm downsizing my rented warehouse space
into a two-car garage in a new house, so have to trim the litter.

Item number 270845817956.

Cheers,
Peter

From tigerfixer at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  2 19:35:24 2011
From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII alternator bracket reproduction
In-Reply-To: <49A7BBA7D63F404FA2564B127E9620D1@Roscrea>
References: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1><4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>
	<CAET8snXPnjoyQkrtvtdYdTPXpVbfFZNSER+GmxU9WReODWvjBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A7BBA7D63F404FA2564B127E9620D1@Roscrea>
Message-ID: <1320287724.24960.YahooMailNeo@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have just completed a limited production run for my new item. 
 Here is the
add.
 Bill Martin
https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=2f03be718f4a9b4b#!/?cid=2f03be718f4a
9b4b&sc=photos&uc=1&id=2F03BE718F4A9B4B%21105!cid=2F03BE718F4A9B4B&id=2F03BE7
18F4A9B4B%21107&sc=photos

From tigerfixer at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 08:21:33 2011
From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII alternator bracket reproduction
In-Reply-To: <1320287724.24960.YahooMailNeo@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1><4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>
	<CAET8snXPnjoyQkrtvtdYdTPXpVbfFZNSER+GmxU9WReODWvjBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A7BBA7D63F404FA2564B127E9620D1@Roscrea>
	<1320287724.24960.YahooMailNeo@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1320333693.47049.YahooMailNeo@web125710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
 If you cant open the link try highlighting the entire setup and
posting it in your browser. Our program only
 highlighted part of the link.
 Bill
https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=2f03be718f4a9b4b#!/?cid=2f03be718f4a
9b4b&sc=photos&uc=1&id=2F03BE718F4A9B4B%21105!cid=2F03BE718F4A9B4B&id=2F03BE7
18F4A9B4B%21107&sc=photos

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Nov  3 09:03:40 2011
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 11:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII alternator bracket reproduction
In-Reply-To: <1320333693.47049.YahooMailNeo@web125710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1><4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>
	<CAET8snXPnjoyQkrtvtdYdTPXpVbfFZNSER+GmxU9WReODWvjBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A7BBA7D63F404FA2564B127E9620D1@Roscrea>
	<1320287724.24960.YahooMailNeo@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1320333693.47049.YahooMailNeo@web125710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647339BBC59B6AE@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Bill, I shortened your link for you:



MkII alt
bracket<https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=2F03BE718F4A9B4B&id=2F03BE718F4A9B4B%2
1107&sc=photos>



That might help, if it works! LOL



Cullen McCann

1452

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Nov  3 10:13:37 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:13:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII alternator bracket reproduction
In-Reply-To: <1320287724.24960.YahooMailNeo@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5C6A36218EC74777A378C0F101BE8726@ronpc1>

Bill
	That is a very nice casting, well done Bill well done.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bill Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII alternator bracket reproduction


I have just completed a limited production run for my new item.
 Here is the
add.
 Bill Martin
https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=2f03be718f4a9b4b#!/?cid=2f03be718f4
a9b4b&sc=photos&uc=1&id=2F03BE718F4A9B4B%21105!cid=2F03BE718F4A9B4B&id=2F03B
E718F4A9B4B%21107&sc=photos _______________________________________________

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From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 10:52:02 2011
From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:52:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] GT-40P heads
Message-ID: <snt0-eas194F1485C6BFEDC9583A6F4AED50@phx.gbl>

My Internet inabilities are probably to blame but after all my attempts at
research, I still have not been able to determine if Tiger exhaust manifolds
or headers are compatible with GT-40P heads. The spark plug placement on these
heads is a known issue with Mustang headers but they reportedly have great
flow characteristics and I found a crate motor locally with them already
installed. Any experience or rumors out there on the list?

Nathan Johnson

From tigerfixer at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 14:00:14 2011
From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:00:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MKII alternator bracket reproduction
In-Reply-To: <1320333693.47049.YahooMailNeo@web125710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <E4E0734AEC8C43C0ADEC2D19E974798B@ronpc1><4EB08912.10201@mayfco.com>
	<CAET8snXPnjoyQkrtvtdYdTPXpVbfFZNSER+GmxU9WReODWvjBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A7BBA7D63F404FA2564B127E9620D1@Roscrea>
	<1320287724.24960.YahooMailNeo@web125706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1320333693.47049.YahooMailNeo@web125710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1320354014.25407.YahooMailNeo@web125708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Many thanks to Cullen for shortening the link for me and all. So if you had
problems with the previous link 

 here is the short version: MkII alt bracket
Thanks again Cullen.
 Bill Martin

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 06:14:24 2011
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 06:14:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger owner Andy Rooney passes @ age 92
Message-ID: <1320498864.33352.YahooMailNeo@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

While he's not "tight" with our general Tiger community, he seemed to love his
Tiger, so there must have been something there in common with the rest of us.
http://bit.ly/qx5qjZ
 
Stephen Waybright

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 06:39:35 2011
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 06:39:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] PS: Tiger owner Andy Rooney passes @ age 92
In-Reply-To: <1320498864.33352.YahooMailNeo@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320498864.33352.YahooMailNeo@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1320500375.81460.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

It just crossed my mind that he may have been the oldest Tiger owner around,
yes???

----- Forwarded Message -----

From: Stephen Waybright
<gswaybright at yahoo.com>


While he's not "tight" with our general Tiger
community, he seemed to love his Tiger, so there must have been something
there in common with the rest of us.

http://bit.ly/qx5qjZ
 
Stephen
Waybright

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  5 09:50:04 2011
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 09:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ROONEY'S RIDE
Message-ID: <E1RMjTK-0007Wr-7f@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#!/?cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44&permissionsChanged=1&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21198!cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21199

Norm

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  5 17:27:37 2011
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 17:27:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ROONEY'S RIDE AGAIN
Message-ID: <E1RMqaN-00076S-AC@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photos&cid=b63ea59c60ac1d44#cid=B63EA59C60AC1D44&id=B63EA59C60AC1D44%21200&sc=photos



Norm

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Nov  5 20:35:39 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:35:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] PS: Tiger owner Andy Rooney passes @ age 92
References: <1320498864.33352.YahooMailNeo@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1320500375.81460.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AD701133987E416E914A98453595155A@student2>

>>> It just crossed my mind that he may have been the oldest Tiger owner 
>>> around, yes???<<<

Back in 2006 I did a survey of Tiger owners age and years of ownership. I 
got 105 responses. Bill Carroll was soon to be 91 in March of that year. I'd 
assume he is 96 now. So no, Rooney would not be the oldest owner.

Tom Witt 

From tym2 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 10:01:48 2011
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:01:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger
In-Reply-To: <8CE6AA304CDBABF-8B8-3A498@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1916111228.1700999.1320598908581.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

This isn't Tiger related, but very cool nonetheless. 


Tym McDowell 




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Subject: Chevy Billboards 



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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  6 12:09:07 2011
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:09:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger
In-Reply-To: <1916111228.1700999.1320598908581.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <8CE6AA304CDBABF-8B8-3A498@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com>
	<1916111228.1700999.1320598908581.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002d01cc9cb7$8f71cd50$ae5567f0$@sbcglobal.net>

Tym,

You mean http://www.rockinghammemories.net/chevybillboards.html 

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Nov  6 12:53:57 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:53:57 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger
In-Reply-To: <1916111228.1700999.1320598908581.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1916111228.1700999.1320598908581.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EB6E5D5.4060605@bradakis.com>

The enail lists don't allow attachments.  You need to post a message
at http://www.team.net/forums if you want pictures.

mjb.

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 14:12:41 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:12:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger
Message-ID: <613a8.18e27b1d.3be85249@aol.com>

Not necessarily a Chevy fan, but very neat  pictures.
M
 
 
In a message dated 11/6/2011 3:37:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mark at bradakis.com writes:

The  enail lists don't allow attachments.  You need to post a message
at  http://www.team.net/forums if you want  pictures.

mjb.
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From sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Nov  6 17:13:32 2011
From: sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com (Sigma Engineering)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:13:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger
References: <8CE6AA304CDBABF-8B8-3A498@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com><1916111228.1700999.1320598908581.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<002d01cc9cb7$8f71cd50$ae5567f0$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <B0DBE10696FB4B4F9CD30D317B1C1C19@D32K5JC1>

Ahh, but they did write a song about volvo's ...
http://www.oregrownmusic.com/SingingVolvoBounce.mp3

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross Hulse" <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>
To: <tym2 at comcast.net>; "'Tiger's List'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger


> Tym,
>
> You mean http://www.rockinghammemories.net/chevybillboards.html
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Sun Nov  6 18:03:39 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:03:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger
In-Reply-To: <B0DBE10696FB4B4F9CD30D317B1C1C19@D32K5JC1>
References: <8CE6AA304CDBABF-8B8-3A498@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com>
	<1916111228.1700999.1320598908581.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<002d01cc9cb7$8f71cd50$ae5567f0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<B0DBE10696FB4B4F9CD30D317B1C1C19@D32K5JC1>
Message-ID: <58D3FB8A-0DB9-4AE8-AB9D-D79D1F14DD77@mac.com>

Or this song:

Volvo driving soccer mom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK_XWH7Ryd4

Rob

Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519






On Nov 6, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Sigma Engineering wrote:

> Ahh, but they did write a song about volvo's ...
> http://www.oregrownmusic.com/SingingVolvoBounce.mp3
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Hulse" <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <tym2 at comcast.net>; "'Tiger's List'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger
> 
> 
>> Tym,
>> 
>> You mean http://www.rockinghammemories.net/chevybillboards.html
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From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  6 18:54:06 2011
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:54:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Chevy Billboards Non Tiger
In-Reply-To: <B0DBE10696FB4B4F9CD30D317B1C1C19@D32K5JC1>
References: <8CE6AA304CDBABF-8B8-3A498@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com>
	<1916111228.1700999.1320598908581.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<002d01cc9cb7$8f71cd50$ae5567f0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<B0DBE10696FB4B4F9CD30D317B1C1C19@D32K5JC1>
Message-ID: <E1RNEPc-0007r0-Rl@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Volvos have nothing on Sunbeams.

http://www.classictiger.com/norms/jingle/sunbeam-jingle.mp3

Norm

At 04:13 PM 11/6/2011, Sigma Engineering wrote:
>Ahh, but they did write a song about volvo's ...
>http://www.oregrownmusic.com/SingingVolvoBounce.mp3

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  6 21:48:02 2011
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 21:48:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Racing Prototype
In-Reply-To: <022b01cc9c66$c736b3f0$55a41bd0$@com>
References: <022b01cc9c66$c736b3f0$55a41bd0$@com>
Message-ID: <4EB76302.7080101@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur,
The TigersUnited.com Owners' Garage is free along with the material on 
the rest of the site, except that if you want information on your car 
posted, then it has to be added by the editors - one of them is me. 
TigersUnited.com doesn't support a live classifieds or other advertising 
forum.

If you're looking for information on the history of your car, or want to 
share your information with others (some of whom are located in the UK) 
then you should join the Team.net Tigers mailing list. Several of the 
mailing list members own other historic racing Tigers and if anyone can 
possibly be of assistance in getting you a correct engine combination, 
it will be the people on the list. I've copied the list on this reply, 
so you may get responses from the list members as well.

Best regards,
Theo Smit

On 11/6/2011 2:30 AM, Arthur wrote:
>
> Looking at Owners Garage there seems to be a lack of Car on here is 
> there a reason ?
>
> Not seen many UK ones either.
>
> Does this site cost members ?
>
> I have a Racing Prototype known as 'Tuppence' but sadly the engine by 
> Keith Black was removed sometime in it life and I am looking for a 
> replacement do you think this site would be a place to search can a 
> free wanted advert be placed?
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Arthur
>
> UK
>
> www.lacustom.com/sponsor.html <http://www.lacustom.com/sponsor.html>

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Nov  7 10:14:57 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:14:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] VARA Event
Message-ID: <1320686097.97758.YahooMailRC@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Was up at Willow Springs this weekend and a couple of nice (both red) Tigers
were in the venue. In the Ford / Chevy Challenge I think Dale may have taken
2nd 
place before I rolled home. And he did an excellent job at spanking Dan
Luckow's 
much touted #99 mustang. Excellent job Dale!  I think the 1st place
car was a 
frankensteined Corvette that pretty much drove away with it from
the start. This 
was the first time I went to a VARA event, lots of great
cars!

Sandy

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 19:05:35 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:05:35 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] 2011 Sandown Histric races
Message-ID: <CAET8snUuax6dRbd04J820bf3Q0sfe-XfHFyfTh34i+K3tf+69w@mail.gmail.com>

The 2011 Sandown Historic races were last week, i have attched the links to
some photos, lots of histric 60's/70's and 80's touring cars, sports cars,
formula 5000, formula 1 and general classics.
Friday practice session:
http://community.webshots.com/album/581797337laXmEc

Sunday Race:
http://community.webshots.com/album/581797338vitFAT

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Fri Nov 11 08:15:10 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:15:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] MkIA Heater Valve
Message-ID: <4EBD3BFE.2030203@roadrunner.com>

Hello All:

A year ago last summer, as I was checking over the Tiger for the 
upcoming United in Maine, I noticed that my heater valve was starting to 
leak a bit, so I ordered a new one from Rick and installed it.  In short 
order it died and was replaced by a second one from Rick.  On the way 
home from the United, it died also.  Rick replaced that one as well and 
I thought everything was fine.  The Tiger went into hibernation for the 
winter and I have not driven it much this past summer.  On Columbus Day 
weekend, I had it out and did some driving around with some other 
members of TE/AE.  The other day, it being a nice day, I started the 
Tiger up once more to clean it up and put it away for the winter.  As 
soon as I started it, I smelled anti-freeze and, when I opened the 
bonnet, I discovered that the heater valve had packed it in once again.  
This time, when I called Rick, I was told that this last batch of heater 
valves has had something near a 100% failure rate and that he did not 
have any more of them.

As a consequence of my experience, I would strongly suggest that anyone 
who has recently replaced their heater valve with one from Rick take a 
careful look at it.  As to what to replace it with, I am looking for a 
solution, so, if anyone has a suggestion, I would like to hear it.  I 
have tried to do some research and have seen it reported that the same 
valve is found on the Big Healey or the MGC, but I have not gotten 
confirmation of that.  I also found reports from a while back that the 
heater valve from a 78/79 Honda Civic can be used.  These things fail on 
a pretty regular basis, so I think we need to find an alternative or a 
reliable source of supply.  In the meantime, I have my valve out of the 
car and on its way back to Rick, again.  The heater core is bypassed, 
but that is just another reason to not drive the Tiger in the winter in 
Maine, ;>)

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
TAC #864

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Nov 11 09:02:47 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:02:47 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] MkIA Heater Valve
In-Reply-To: <4EBD3BFE.2030203@roadrunner.com>
References: <4EBD3BFE.2030203@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EEDAE669@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I've had a Honda valve in my Tiger for about a decade now, without any issues.
If I recall correctly it was from a '80 or '81 Civic, not the '75 to '79
generation.

However... I haven't ever gotten around to connecting the heater temp control
inside the car, so I can't tell you if it operates the right way around. I
just adjust the heater valve on a seasonal basis ;)

Theo



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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 11 09:18:45 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:18:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] MkIA Heater Valve
In-Reply-To: <4EBD3BFE.2030203@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <C4D4C129D7EB4EEDA38D1ECDA3768714@ronpc1>

Tod
	I thought Rick was selling a reproduction heater valve similar to
the one Moss Motors lists?   I'm I wrong?

The Honda valve will work but I believe Doug Jennings bought and sold the
last ones in the USA.

	The heater valve on my Tiger started to leak just before United XXIV
in Harrisburg.   I removed the heater valve but I keep the heater core
connected.   I borrowed a parallel bar hose clamp to throttle the heat
output of the heater.   Driving back home I had to stop a couple of times to
open the clamp more, it was getting cold outside and inside too.   This
worked fine for me until I installed the Honda heater valve.   I purchased
the Honda valves from Doug at that United in 2003.

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:15 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] MkIA Heater Valve


Hello All:

A year ago last summer, as I was checking over the Tiger for the
upcoming United in Maine, I noticed that my heater valve was starting to
leak a bit, so I ordered a new one from Rick and installed it.  In short
order it died and was replaced by a second one from Rick.  On the way
home from the United, it died also.  Rick replaced that one as well and
I thought everything was fine.  The Tiger went into hibernation for the
winter and I have not driven it much this past summer.  On Columbus Day
weekend, I had it out and did some driving around with some other
members of TE/AE.  The other day, it being a nice day, I started the
Tiger up once more to clean it up and put it away for the winter.  As
soon as I started it, I smelled anti-freeze and, when I opened the
bonnet, I discovered that the heater valve had packed it in once again.
This time, when I called Rick, I was told that this last batch of heater
valves has had something near a 100% failure rate and that he did not
have any more of them.

As a consequence of my experience, I would strongly suggest that anyone
who has recently replaced their heater valve with one from Rick take a
careful look at it.  As to what to replace it with, I am looking for a
solution, so, if anyone has a suggestion, I would like to hear it.  I
have tried to do some research and have seen it reported that the same
valve is found on the Big Healey or the MGC, but I have not gotten
confirmation of that.  I also found reports from a while back that the
heater valve from a 78/79 Honda Civic can be used.  These things fail on
a pretty regular basis, so I think we need to find an alternative or a
reliable source of supply.  In the meantime, I have my valve out of the
car and on its way back to Rick, again.  The heater core is bypassed,
but that is just another reason to not drive the Tiger in the winter in
Maine, ;>)

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
TAC #864
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From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 11 12:22:23 2011
From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:22:23 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Ceramic coated headers
Message-ID: <BLU152-W21856B5A279998131256CAAEDD0@phx.gbl>

I live in the SF bay area and am looking for a recommendations from the list
as to where I should get Rick's headers ceramic coated at.  I was thinking of
asking Rick if he can just ship them directly there to save me on leg of the
freight charges. Thanks, Nathan

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Fri Nov 11 12:55:03 2011
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:55:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ceramic coated headers
In-Reply-To: <BLU152-W21856B5A279998131256CAAEDD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU152-W21856B5A279998131256CAAEDD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6235A8D7224F401D94C6BC6C3B4FA5E2@owner9967ddf8c>

Nathan, There is a guy on the list that goes by Moonstone that does
coatings. I would just ship to him and let him send to you when done.  RObin





I live in the SF bay area and am looking for a recommendations from the list
as to where I should get Rick's headers ceramic coated at.  I was thinking
of
asking Rick if he can just ship them directly there to save me on leg of the
freight charges. Thanks, Nathan

From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Nov 11 15:35:53 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:35:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ceramic coated headers
In-Reply-To: <BLU152-W21856B5A279998131256CAAEDD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU152-W21856B5A279998131256CAAEDD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1321050953.838.YahooMailRC@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think the place you want is Capps Coatings

http://capsbhc.com/

They have
done a couple of sets for me over the years and are really well done.  
I
think Mr. Capps may be on this list, but I can't remember his name.

Sandy
________________________________
From: Nathan Johnson
<vesselofgrace at hotmail.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, November 11,
2011 11:22:23 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Ceramic coated headers

I live in the SF
bay area and am looking for a recommendations from the list
as to where I
should get Rick's headers ceramic coated at.  I was thinking of
asking Rick if
he can just ship them directly there to save me on leg of the
freight charges.
Thanks, Nathan
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Nov 11 15:46:53 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:46:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ceramic coated headers
In-Reply-To: <6235A8D7224F401D94C6BC6C3B4FA5E2@owner9967ddf8c>
References: <BLU152-W21856B5A279998131256CAAEDD0@phx.gbl>
	<6235A8D7224F401D94C6BC6C3B4FA5E2@owner9967ddf8c>
Message-ID: <4EBDA5DD.2000705@mayfco.com>

dang...left the trailer on...
*****************************************

Actually it is Sean's brother or brother in law who does the coatings. 
It is Caps Brite Hot Coatings in Fresno as I recall. They put a coating 
on my turbo headers for the Bonneville sunbeam race car.

link     http://www.capsbhc.com/

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 11/11/2011 11:55 AM, RObin Young wrote:
> Nathan, There is a guy on the list that goes by Moonstone that does
> coatings. I would just ship to him and let him send to you when done.  RObin
>
>
>
>
>
> I live in the SF bay area and am looking for a recommendations from the list
> as to where I should get Rick's headers ceramic coated at.  I was thinking
> of
> asking Rick if he can just ship them directly there to save me on leg of the
> freight charges. Thanks, Nathan

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 15:59:34 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:59:34 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] MkIA Heater Valve
In-Reply-To: <4EBD3BFE.2030203@roadrunner.com>
References: <4EBD3BFE.2030203@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <CAET8snVxzCKobY147gG4vXNmTA3=MtjCPKqjafHtnV-aaQ1LPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tod,

The late model MGC vlaves are the ones that can be made to work, there
is a thread on the SAOCA forum that you might want to read, it came up
a couple of days ago:

http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17226

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 10:06:02 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:06:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger - Saving gas
Message-ID: <69ad.42af02c7.3bf00179@aol.com>

_http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=257_ 
(http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=257) 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Nov 12 11:19:57 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:19:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Spam linked toTigers list?
Message-ID: <4E8A95C981E44255AE93AC0F63561D3B@student2>

Without "naming names" is anyone else been getting spam that is originating 
from an email address associated with a member of this list? I've been 
getting about 4-6 per day for the past 4-5 days.

Tom 

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 11:31:19 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Spam linked toTigers list?
In-Reply-To: <4E8A95C981E44255AE93AC0F63561D3B@student2>
References: <4E8A95C981E44255AE93AC0F63561D3B@student2>
Message-ID: <B7791DEA-75B3-4ED1-9021-C940B76CBE9B@yahoo.com>

none here

On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Thomas Witt wrote:

> Without "naming names" is anyone else been getting spam that is originating
from an email address associated with a member of this list? I've been getting
about 4-6 per day for the past 4-5 days.
>
> Tom _______________________________________________
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 12:07:12 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:07:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Spam linked toTigers list?
Message-ID: <70c9.10a7dd07.3bf01de0@aol.com>

A few months back one of our lister's email was  hijacked and spam sent 
out. Seems like you should notify this lister...possibly  he doesn't know what 
is going on.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 11/12/2011 1:31:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
laurin212 at yahoo.com writes:

none  here

On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Thomas Witt wrote:

>  Without "naming names" is anyone else been getting spam that is  
originating
from an email address associated with a member of this list?  I've been 
getting
about 4-6 per day for the past 4-5 days.
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Nov 12 12:34:06 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:34:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Spam linked to Tigers list?
In-Reply-To: <70c9.10a7dd07.3bf01de0@aol.com>
References: <70c9.10a7dd07.3bf01de0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EBECA2E.3050907@bradakis.com>

The user in question has been blocked from sending messages to the
list so none of the spam will come through here.  I can not, however,
do anything about mail sent to folks in his personal address book.
Shucks.

mjb.

From macdonald49 at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 12 21:06:48 2011
From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:06:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Spam
Message-ID: <FD0AC96E-768A-41D3-9E7E-5E9AACA784C5@shaw.ca>

Started arriving her about Oct 28th. Seems to be a few recognizable e- 
mail addresses of the bunch it is being sent to.

Peter

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 17:05:09 2011
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:05:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Doug JENNINGS
Message-ID: <2f418.255014bd.3bf306b5@aol.com>

Does anyone have Doug's date for his open house at his garage in NAPLE'S  
FL. 
I  need the address too.   Beau

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 18:20:27 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:20:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Doug JENNINGS
In-Reply-To: <2f418.255014bd.3bf306b5@aol.com>
References: <2f418.255014bd.3bf306b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FD452ACB-888F-4BB1-A9C3-A36FDF982EA9@yahoo.com>

dougs got a garage in naples?!?  it was paul sheahan


To All Interested Tiger Owners,Perspective Owners and Guests,
     On Saturday December 3rd we will be having another TAC Event at my
warehouse in Naples, Florida. If you need your car inspected, want to meet
some great people and see their cars or just want to come visit, we would
encourage you to "come on down".  We will start around 10am and will be
around
all day.
     My warehouse is located at 3073 Vanburen Ave, Naples,Florida 34112.  The
phone number is 239-732-1704.  My cell number is 704-564-3831.  Please feel
free to call me if you have any questions.
     If you plan to attend to have your car TAC'd, please let me know.  I
look forward to seeing you.

Paul
Paul R Sheahan




On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:05 PM, BEAU2EVE at aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone have Doug's date for his open house at his garage in NAPLE'S
> FL.
> I  need the address too.   Beau

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Nov 14 19:29:30 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:29:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] OT:  5 Bolt Bellhousing for a C4 Automatic trans
Message-ID: <4EC1CE8A.1030907@mayfco.com>

A lot of you folk regularly hit the junque yardes. Pahrump has one 
located in the way north of town on an axle breaker and tire killer 
road. In any case, I am looking for a Bell housing from a C4 automatic 
trans. A 5 bolt early variety that will fit the 260 block.  I have a C4 
but it has a 6 bolt bell housing. I want the bell housing to mate to the 
engine so that I can use it to support the rear of the 260 motor  that 
is currently in the build process when I run it on a run stand.  If you 
happen to see one or ask when you visit the breaker's yard and find one, 
lemme know, please?  There is one on ebay but they only want 500 bucks 
for it and that simply does not fit my budget at all, lol... cheaper is 
better!

Thanks

mayf

-- 
______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Nov 14 20:57:46 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:57:46 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] OT:  5 Bolt Bellhousing for a C4 Automatic trans
References: <4EC1CE8A.1030907@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <04366FBDAEA644E4AC77BAC1E2A927C0@student2>

Larry,

 Do you want the bellhousing just for testing, or do you eventually plan on 
running a C-4 in the car? If just for testing then I would think any 5 bolt 
bellhousing would work.

That is a rather rare bellhousing what with the phase out of the 260 and the 
phase in of the C-4 occurring in roughly the same 1964 year. Hate to tell 
you, but 35+ years ago I had a 260 - '64 Falcon with the 2 speed auto. A guy 
I knew swapped out a 260 for a 289 in his early Mustang.  At the time the 
bellhousing was irrelevant (to him) and I think he sold it to me for $5 - so 
I could install a C-4.

I'll keep my eyes out on my monthly sojourns to Pick A Part.  However, 
1960's cars represent far less that 1% of what is available anymore. Ford 
seems to have a thing for crossover bellhousings.  In 1974 (only) they 
offered a C-4 behind a 2.3 in the Pinto / Mustang II etc..  That rare 
bellhousing is prized by the guys racing turbo 2.3's.  I found one on my 
last trip to PAP and got it for $20.  It sold on Ebay for $180. But $500 for 
a 5 bolt C-4 bellhousing... YIKES!

Tom Witt



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject: [Tigers] OT: 5 Bolt Bellhousing for a C4 Automatic trans


>A lot of you folk regularly hit the junque yardes. Pahrump has one located 
>in the way north of town on an axle breaker and tire killer road. In any 
>case, I am looking for a Bell housing from a C4 automatic trans. A 5 bolt 
>early variety that will fit the 260 block.  I have a C4 but it has a 6 bolt 
>bell housing. I want the bell housing to mate to the engine so that I can 
>use it to support the rear of the 260 motor  that is currently in the build 
>process when I run it on a run stand.  If you happen to see one or ask when 
>you visit the breaker's yard and find one, lemme know, please?  There is 
>one on ebay but they only want 500 bucks for it and that simply does not 
>fit my budget at all, lol... cheaper is better!
>
> Thanks
>
> mayf
>
> -- 
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 21:10:07 2011
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:10:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Doug JENNINGS
Message-ID: <23010.5ede42f.3bf3401f@aol.com>

Sorry Paul, I had a senior moment, happen's more these days. Doug  didn't 
know he was moving.  
 
dougs  got a garage in naples?!?  it was paul sheahan


To All  Interested Tiger Owners,Perspective Owners and Guests,
On Saturday December 3rd we will be having another TAC Event at  my
warehouse in Naples, Florida. If you need your car inspected, want to  meet
some great people and see their cars or just want to come visit, we  would
encourage you to "come on down".  We will start around 10am and  will be 
around
all day. 
My warehouse is located at  3073 Vanburen Ave, Naples,Florida 34112.  The
phone number is  239-732-1704.  My cell number is 704-564-3831.  Please feel
free  to call me if you have any questions.
If you plan to  attend to have your car TAC'd, please let me know.  I
look forward to  seeing you.

Paul
Paul R Sheahan




On Nov 14, 2011,  at 7:05 PM, BEAU2EVE at aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone have Doug's date  for his open house at his garage in NAPLE'S 
 
> FL. 
>  I  need the address too.    Beau

From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 18 14:54:53 2011
From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:54:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Toploader work
Message-ID: <snt0-eas2397D7A8B68A9B180AB6CC9AEC40@phx.gbl>

I bought all the parts to change my close ratio to a wide ratio while I have
the tranny out of the car but now I'm thinking this might be beyond my limited
mechanical abilities. Anyone have a recommendation for a transmission shop in
the East Bay area (I live in Concord)?

Nathan Johnson
B38202343

From crabco at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 19 09:56:49 2011
From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:56:49 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
Message-ID: <005e01cca6dc$3ae0aac0$b0a20040$@ca>

Hi to all,

 

There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
extension, me).

 

The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
Questions might include;

 

-type of oil to use

-length of time before oil changes

-best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
cool

-best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
account the presence of the heater core

-best type of coolant to use

-thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in

 

It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...

 

Thank you,

Tim

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 11:55:10 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:55:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <005e01cca6dc$3ae0aac0$b0a20040$@ca>
Message-ID: <58884903.10421.1321728910359.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I myself have spent a lot of time recently on this topic.



Hopefully you assembled the motor using assembly lube at all the critical
points and turnedB  the motor over with the starter a very minumum number of
times!



Ab solutely stay away from synthetic oilB . It is too slick to allow surfaces
to mate properly.



One of the most critical break-in issues has to do with a flat tappet
hydraulic cam.B  The cam manufacturer should have given you info on oil type
and weight, rpm times and level sequences, etc.B B  You need to add a break in
additive as well to get the zinc you need for proper wear protection. (And add
to the oil at all future oil changes, unless using one of the few brands that
still have it).B B  Mix the additive into the oil to get a good distribution
before putting it in your motor.



FWIW, I put in a Lunati cam.B  They recommend 30W non-detergent NON-Synthetic
oil for initial startup and first 500 miles.B B  After that you can switch to
a premium multigrade oil but do not use synthetic until after 5000 miles.B B 
Some manufacturers recommend an oil and filter change right after the initial
cam breakin runs.B B  Again with the using the initial breakin oil and
additive formula with fresh oil and additive.B  My thinking is it cannot hurt!



You should prime the oil system before any engine turning.B B  It helps to
fill the oil filter directly as a part of putting in the oil with its premixed
breakin additive.B  Priming involves a 1/4 inch shaft down the distributor
hole engaged in the oil pump.B  Moroso is one company that sells them.B B 
Check your local speed shop.B  You need to spin the pump with a heavy duty
corded drill, preferably a 1/2 inch size.B B  Since normal operating pressure
is 50 pounds, it takes a lot of power to get it up there.B B  My regular hand
drill would not cut it.B  I ended up (actually my son did) using a socket and
medium length breaker bar and a lot of shoulder power.



Ideally, you would like to see oil coming out of all the pushrod holes and on
rocker assemblies in both cylinders to assure complete oil priming throughout
the motor.B B  That of course means you have the valve covers off with the car
in the motor.B  With stock covers it can be done.B B  Just be sure and put
them back on before starting the motor!



That is the oil side of things.B  I will let others cover the rest of your
questions.B B  Otherwise this will get way too long!B  Again, best place to
strart on a lot of this is what your cam manufacturer recommends.B  Should be
on the printed material, or maybe their web site.



Good luck!



Gene






----- Original Message -----


From: "Tim Webster" <crabco at shaw.ca>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:56:49 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in

Hi to all,

B 

There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
extension, me).

B 

The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
Questions might include;

B 

-type of oil to use

-length of time before oil changes

-best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
cool

-best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
account the presence of the heater core

-best type of coolant to use

-thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in

B 

It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...

B 

Thank you,

Tim
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From genepadgett at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 12:57:55 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:57:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <005e01cca6dc$3ae0aac0$b0a20040$@ca>
Message-ID: <707338476.11924.1321732675032.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Just a PS and correction to my earlier reply.



I meant to say that the distributor rotates counterclockwise so that is the
way you should spin the oil pump.B  Thus the drill is set on reverse.



Also, I belatedly noticed that Lunati also recommended a fresh oil change and
filter after the initial runin session.B B It is the 30 weight oil that they
recommend you keep using for the first 500 miles.B  I was confusing that with
whether or not to also include breakin additive.B  Another manufacture
mentions doing that.B  I think you should just to maintain the appropriate
zinc levels which you can do with any of the other zinc replacement
additives.B  Something you will wan t to maintain throughout the future.B 
Again there are a fewB  oils out there that still have adequate levels in them
off the shelf.



GeneB 



----- Original Message -----


From: "Tim Webster" <crabco at shaw.ca>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:56:49 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in

Hi to all,

B 

There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
extension, me).

B 

The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
Questions might include;

B 

-type of oil to use

-length of time before oil changes

-best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
cool

-best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
account the presence of the heater core

-best type of coolant to use

-thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in

B 

It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...

B 

Thank you,

Tim
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Nov 19 14:05:59 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:05:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <005e01cca6dc$3ae0aac0$b0a20040$@ca>
Message-ID: <DB3219A94B0346D2B1519F47154922F7@ronpc1>

Tim
	First you want to prime the carb and check for any fuel leaks;
electric fuel pumps make this easy.

According to Tom Monroe's book on Rebuilding a Small Block Ford;

Start the engine and bring the RPM up to between 2000 and 2500 for 30 min
Check to make sure you have oil pressure, at least 30 psi within 15 seconds
Watch RPM to make sure it stays between 2000 and 2500
Check for any fluid leaks
I would also watch the coolant temperature to make sure it stays constant
once it gets up to temperature.
Shut engine off after 30 min
Check all fluid levels
Setup your timing light, start engine, bring idle down to normal, set
initial timing.

Test drive

Go for a test drive, vary your speed but don't accelerate hard
Check to make sure everything is working
Listen for any problems, be alert for anything
Return to your garage
Check for fluid leaks; fix any leaks
Check all fluid levels
Look for anything that could become a problem
Some recommend checking bolt torque after cool down; intake manifold and
exhaust manifolds

	I would repeat all fluid checks before and after any drive just to
be sure everything is OK

	I think I ran the break in oil for about 500 miles before changing.

	I've never had a problem with air pockets, run the engine, open the
heater valve, keep an eye on the level in the header tank.   You could
remove one of the heater core hoses and pour some coolant into the heater
core first if you choice.

	I've never run Synthetic oil in my Tiger but they are making better
synthetic oils every year and some day there maybe no other choice.   I
would not use it for break in and I don't think I would even consider it
until after 5000 miles.

Enjoy the ride.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tim Webster
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:57 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in


Hi to all,



There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
extension, me).



The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
Questions might include;



-type of oil to use

-length of time before oil changes

-best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
cool

-best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
account the presence of the heater core

-best type of coolant to use

-thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in



It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...



Thank you,

Tim
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Nov 19 15:08:13 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:08:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <DB3219A94B0346D2B1519F47154922F7@ronpc1>
References: <DB3219A94B0346D2B1519F47154922F7@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4EC828CD.30009@mayfco.com>

Hmmm, is this a purist type of run in or the American version? I ask 
because the Sunbeam Owner's handbook does it differently.   The handbook 
says to run the car up and down to speeds of around 60 mph as it is 
being driven  for the first 500 miles. Don't lug the engine and don't 
over rev it in neutral.    When 500 miles are attained, have the dealer 
change the oil.  That's pretty much it.

Since the zinc and phosphorus have been generally removed from the 
current motor oils, I would certainly put in some ZDDP for break in.  
and  then after every oil change as well.

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 11/19/2011 1:05 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Tim
> 	First you want to prime the carb and check for any fuel leaks;
> electric fuel pumps make this easy.
>
> According to Tom Monroe's book on Rebuilding a Small Block Ford;
>
> Start the engine and bring the RPM up to between 2000 and 2500 for 30 min
> Check to make sure you have oil pressure, at least 30 psi within 15 seconds
> Watch RPM to make sure it stays between 2000 and 2500
> Check for any fluid leaks
> I would also watch the coolant temperature to make sure it stays constant
> once it gets up to temperature.
> Shut engine off after 30 min
> Check all fluid levels
> Setup your timing light, start engine, bring idle down to normal, set
> initial timing.
>
> Test drive
>
> Go for a test drive, vary your speed but don't accelerate hard
> Check to make sure everything is working
> Listen for any problems, be alert for anything
> Return to your garage
> Check for fluid leaks; fix any leaks
> Check all fluid levels
> Look for anything that could become a problem
> Some recommend checking bolt torque after cool down; intake manifold and
> exhaust manifolds
>
> 	I would repeat all fluid checks before and after any drive just to
> be sure everything is OK
>
> 	I think I ran the break in oil for about 500 miles before changing.
>
> 	I've never had a problem with air pockets, run the engine, open the
> heater valve, keep an eye on the level in the header tank.   You could
> remove one of the heater core hoses and pour some coolant into the heater
> core first if you choice.
>
> 	I've never run Synthetic oil in my Tiger but they are making better
> synthetic oils every year and some day there maybe no other choice.   I
> would not use it for break in and I don't think I would even consider it
> until after 5000 miles.
>
> Enjoy the ride.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Tim Webster
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:57 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
>
>
> Hi to all,
>
>
>
> There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
> the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
> and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
> in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
> extension, me).
>
>
>
> The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
> Questions might include;
>
>
>
> -type of oil to use
>
> -length of time before oil changes
>
> -best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
> cool
>
> -best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
> account the presence of the heater core
>
> -best type of coolant to use
>
> -thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in
>
>
>
> It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
> having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tim
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>
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sat Nov 19 15:27:22 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry and Mo)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:27:22 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <DB3219A94B0346D2B1519F47154922F7@ronpc1>
References: <DB3219A94B0346D2B1519F47154922F7@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <00B7AC9717824D69856EE8A7FD284AE2@Roscrea>

The advice from other posters is very good.

One thing Ron didn't explain was the reason that you should run the engine 
at 2000 to 2500.  The camshaft gets most of its oil from the slinging effect 
of the crankshaft.  You can ruin a camshaft (and lifters) by not running the 
engine fast enough on first start up.  There may be a tendency to want to 
just idle it in the beginning just to be "safe," but  don't do it.

Thatbs one of the great things about a roller cam - it's not as critical on 
startup; however, it wouldn't hurt, just to be on the safe side.

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

-----Original Message----- 
From:  Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:05 PM
To: 'Tim Webster' ; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine run in

Tim
First you want to prime the carb and check for any fuel leaks;
electric fuel pumps make this easy.

According to Tom Monroe's book on Rebuilding a Small Block Ford;

Start the engine and bring the RPM up to between 2000 and 2500 for 30 min
Check to make sure you have oil pressure, at least 30 psi within 15 seconds
Watch RPM to make sure it stays between 2000 and 2500
Check for any fluid leaks
I would also watch the coolant temperature to make sure it stays constant
once it gets up to temperature.
Shut engine off after 30 min
Check all fluid levels
Setup your timing light, start engine, bring idle down to normal, set
initial timing.

Test drive

Go for a test drive, vary your speed but don't accelerate hard
Check to make sure everything is working
Listen for any problems, be alert for anything
Return to your garage
Check for fluid leaks; fix any leaks
Check all fluid levels
Look for anything that could become a problem
Some recommend checking bolt torque after cool down; intake manifold and
exhaust manifolds

I would repeat all fluid checks before and after any drive just to
be sure everything is OK

I think I ran the break in oil for about 500 miles before changing.

I've never had a problem with air pockets, run the engine, open the
heater valve, keep an eye on the level in the header tank.   You could
remove one of the heater core hoses and pour some coolant into the heater
core first if you choice.

I've never run Synthetic oil in my Tiger but they are making better
synthetic oils every year and some day there maybe no other choice.   I
would not use it for break in and I don't think I would even consider it
until after 5000 miles.

Enjoy the ride.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tim Webster
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:57 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in


Hi to all,



There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
extension, me).



The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
Questions might include;



-type of oil to use

-length of time before oil changes

-best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
cool

-best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
account the presence of the heater core

-best type of coolant to use

-thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in



It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...



Thank you,

Tim
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 15:36:30 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:36:30 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <005e01cca6dc$3ae0aac0$b0a20040$@ca>
References: <005e01cca6dc$3ae0aac0$b0a20040$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAET8snWA4JA30tCGgjig1AKeBBuEWSDWYchCiaA_NtS5gdbYTg@mail.gmail.com>

Tim,

The big thing to get right is the oil.. the flat tappet motors can
wreck a cam with inappropriate oil, and its all about the zinc. There
is a company that makes proper spec oil for our cars.. they are USA
based.. i cant remember off the top of my head.. but e-mail buck
tripple he and all the vintage race boys use it (the brand is someones
name i htink) they also have special flat tappet break-in oil.. i
would spend the $ and get that one.. sorry i cant recall the name off
the top of my head.

On 20/11/2011, Tim Webster <crabco at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi to all,
>
>
>
> There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
> the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
> and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
> in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
> extension, me).
>
>
>
> The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
> Questions might include;
>
>
>
> -type of oil to use
>
> -length of time before oil changes
>
> -best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
> cool
>
> -best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
> account the presence of the heater core
>
> -best type of coolant to use
>
> -thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in
>
>
>
> It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
> having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From jim at island.net  Sat Nov 19 16:00:29 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:00:29 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <005e01cca6dc$3ae0aac0$b0a20040$@ca>
References: <005e01cca6dc$3ae0aac0$b0a20040$@ca>
Message-ID: <03cf01cca70f$08c41d00$1a4c5700$@net>

Hi Tim

As far as a good oil to use...our English car club ( central island branch )
looked into what's available as far as oils containing zinc...

"... Since 2006, a new designation "API Service SM" (in a decal on the
label) has been introduced with no zinc.
This is meant for modern engines (since at least 1996), with steel camshafts
and/or roller lifters.
If the decal also says "API service SL or SG", it can be used in older
engines.
Major brands of motor oil we've used for decades like Castrol (BP-owned),
Pennzoil (Shell-owned), Quaker State, Valvoline no longer contain zinc.
Zinc is being phased out in diesel oils too (Shell Rotella) and high mileage
oils (Pennzoil), because of catalytic convertors in diesel engines.
Kendall GT1 20W/50 (ConocoPhilips) is about the only brand I've found on the
Island containing adequate zinc, about 1% 
(and liquid Titanium, which is said to have antiwear properties similar to
Molybdenum)...."

We also as a club made a deal with the local ( Nanaimo ) Columbia fuel
dealer to sell to us at a 25% discount by the case which makes it $4 a litre

 I have some here and can easily get more if you'd like some sent down... 

Here's a link to this product Kendall's site ...
http://www.conocophillipslubricants.com/brands%2Dproducts/Single.aspx?pid=32
5&brand=Kendall+Motor+Oil

Jim
B382000446




-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tim Webster
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:57 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in

Hi to all,

 

There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
extension, me).

 

The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
Questions might include;

 

-type of oil to use

-length of time before oil changes

-best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
cool

-best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
account the presence of the heater core

-best type of coolant to use

-thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in

 

It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...

 

Thank you,

Tim
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From Rollright at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 16:58:07 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:58:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fresh bumper assemblies complete
Message-ID: <1bf6e.5af17c9a.3bf99c8e@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Jim Armstrong here. Frequent readers may remember that I started on a  
project of putting together a complete set of new  
bumpers/brackets/over-riders/bumperettes/buffers and all associated  parts.
The goal was to create a totally complete system where I could unbolt  the 
old from the car and bolt the new bumper system on. I want to share some  
techniques that may be helpful to someone trying to refresh their car in a  
similar way.
    First the straightforward stuff: get a spare  pair of bumpers and get 
them re-chromed. When back, paint the inside of the  bumpers with a 
rust-preventive paint. I used Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, Gary  Fish used POR-15. Get 
a spare set of four overriders and get them re-chromed.  Re-chrome prices 
paid were $ 200 each bumper, and $ 55 for each bumperette.  Prices will vary. 
Paint the inside of the o-riders too. A note about  the earlier, sturdier 
over-riders I picked up. They have a thick plate of steel  brazed inside that 
is threaded 7/16 20 AF. Very nice and easy to  use.
    I used a bench grinder with a wire brush and  prepped a set of the 
curved aluminum or whatever curved face on one side  flat on the other "distance 
pieces"  then sprayed with a acid-etch primer.  Bought new chrome-face 
bolts from SS (they have a carriage bit underside  and a bit of a curve facing 
the bumper face.) VERY good quality, and  they come with VG hardware but no 
flat-washer. Bumper brackets were purchased  from SS, good but not as good as 
NOS. Used the NOS. Assembly was very pleasant,  but I needed to come up 
with my own info on fixing the overriders. Parts manual  is missing data on 
fixing hardware for the unusual overriders. Turns out that  7/16 20 AF 1.5" 
works here. Use bolt, through a split lock, then washer  against the bracket, 
bolt goes through bracket, thru curved/flat "distance  piece"  into the 
threaded over-rider (held on the other  side).
 
    Two things about the overriders, old or new  style. Assembling on the 
"finisher strips", I found the easiest way to assemble  these is to cut to 
length, and glue onto the edge (I used Pliobond found at  Ace Hardware). That 
way you are not trying to fight them during assembly.  Let dry for a couple 
of days to get them really stuck on. Much easier. Next is  the new clip that 
now is available from SS, ET 50C, which holds the buffer metal  tabs really 
securely. This is in lieu of bending the tabs over which  is much less 
satisfactory. I've done it both ways. These work great. BTW:  assemble the 
buffers on the over-riders before mounting on bumper. Its easier,  though it can 
be done after assembly.
 
That's it, job done. If anybody wants a picture of the unusual  
over-riders, let me know and I'll send.


Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  
382002083
LRXFE

From genepadgett at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 17:14:16 2011
From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:14:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snWA4JA30tCGgjig1AKeBBuEWSDWYchCiaA_NtS5gdbYTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <593093949.18834.1321748056654.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

By all means check with Buck.B B  He may have some additional helpful hints
for you.B  But I am guessing what Michael is referring to is Joe Gibbs oil and
Joe Gibbs breakin oil.B B B  They have an easily googled B website.



Gene



----- Original Message -----


From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: "Tim Webster" <crabco at shaw.ca>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:36:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine run in

Tim,

The big thing to get right is the oil.. the flat tappet motors can
wreck a cam with inappropriate oil, and its all about the zinc. There
is a company that makes proper spec oil for our cars.. they are USA
based.. i cant remember off the top of my head.. but e-mail buck
tripple he and all the vintage race boys use it (the brand is someones
name i htink) they also have special flat tappet break-in oil.. i
would spend the $ and get that one.. sorry i cant recall the name off
the top of my head.

On 20/11/2011, Tim Webster <crabco at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi to all,
>
>
>
> There is a bewildering array of conflicting information on the www regarding
> the engine run in process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to fire
> and am looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this job
> in a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
> extension, me).
>
>
>
> The engine is .030 over and apart from that was restored to stock specs.
> Questions might include;
>
>
>
> -type of oil to use
>
> -length of time before oil changes
>
> -best rpm loading and duration of run in periods before allowing engine to
> cool
>
> -best way to ensure the engine will be free of air pockets (taking into
> account the presence of the heater core
>
> -best type of coolant to use
>
> -thoughts on the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run in
>
>
>
> It was gratifying this week to turn the key and hear her turn over without
> having to grab a fire extinguisher, if you know what I mean...
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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>


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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 18:09:08 2011
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:09:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
Message-ID: <95e89.5d6195d9.3bf9ad34@aol.com>

What is with the B B B? Is this keyboard Tourette's Syndrome or just a  
fluke?
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2011 4:14:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
genepadgett at comcast.net writes:

By all  means check with Buck.B B  He may have some additional helpful  
hints
for you.B  But I am guessing what Michael is referring to is Joe  Gibbs oil 
and
Joe Gibbs breakin oil.B B B  They have an easily googled  B website.



Gene



----- Original Message  -----


From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To:  "Tim Webster" <crabco at shaw.ca>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent:  Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:36:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine run  in

Tim,

The big thing to get right is the oil.. the flat tappet  motors can
wreck a cam with inappropriate oil, and its all about the zinc.  There
is a company that makes proper spec oil for our cars.. they are  USA
based.. i cant remember off the top of my head.. but e-mail  buck
tripple he and all the vintage race boys use it (the brand is  someones
name i htink) they also have special flat tappet break-in oil..  i
would spend the $ and get that one.. sorry i cant recall the name  off
the top of my head.

On 20/11/2011, Tim Webster  <crabco at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi to  all,
>
>
>
> There is a bewildering array of  conflicting information on the www 
regarding
> the engine run in  process. I have my newly rebuilt 260 nearly ready to 
fire
> and am  looking to the list for what is the best way to accomplish this 
job
> in  a way that will ensure a long and happy life for the engine (and by
>  extension, me).
>
>
>
> The engine is .030 over and  apart from that was restored to stock specs.
> Questions might  include;
>
>
>
> -type of oil to use
>
>  -length of time before oil changes
>
> -best rpm loading and  duration of run in periods before allowing engine 
to
>  cool
>
> -best way to ensure the engine will be free of air  pockets (taking into
> account the presence of the heater  core
>
> -best type of coolant to use
>
> -thoughts on  the use of synthetic oil during run in and/or after run  in
>
>
>
> It was gratifying this week to turn the key  and hear her turn over 
without
> having to grab a fire extinguisher, if  you know what I mean...
>
>
>
> Thank  you,
>
> Tim
>  _______________________________________________
>
>  tigers at autox.team.net
>
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>


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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Nov 19 22:05:31 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
In-Reply-To: <95e89.5d6195d9.3bf9ad34@aol.com>
References: <95e89.5d6195d9.3bf9ad34@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EC88A9B.4080605@bradakis.com>

AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote:
> What is with the B B B? Is this keyboard Tourette's Syndrome or just a
> fluke?
>
>
The extra characters are a byproduct of the filter that the Team.Net
mail goes through.  The filter attempts to convert various formats
into plain text, stripping out attachments and bogus formatting.
And there is a lot of bogus HTML, rich text and other such crap
out there that doesn't translate well.  So it goes.

mjb.

From Carmods at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 06:51:15 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:51:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine run in
Message-ID: <89f6.8be2364.3bfa5fd2@aol.com>

Tim,
 
In addition to all the other good advice you have gotten, I would recommend 
 you prime the lubrication system before you start the engine.  With oil in 
 the pan, I install a distributor that has the drive gear removed and drive 
 it with an electric drill. You can tell when the oil pressure builds up by 
the  rise in torque to drive the pump. This will insure that the pump, oil  
passages, bearings and lifters are full before you start the engine. 
 
John Logan

From crabco at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 20 11:40:31 2011
From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:40:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] A hearty thanks
Message-ID: <001d01cca7b3$e1e975e0$a5bc61a0$@ca>

Hello Listers,

 

Boy, when I threw out a pretty routine question I had no idea about the
avalanche of invaluable information that was about to be released. With what
I have learned in the last 24 hours I could switch careers and go on the
engine break in lecture circuit.

 

I really have a good idea now as to how to tackle this exciting part of my
project. This is a lot more fun somehow than scraping undercoat off while
lying on a cold concrete floor as I was in an earlier phase of the job.

 

The list is clearly an invaluable resource for people like me who are
restoring their first Tiger. Over time the list community at large has
solved seemingly unsolvable problems and given me the encouragement to carry
on through some challenges.

 

I believe I have thanked all who responded off list, but if I have missed
anyone let this suffice.

 

I just need a few bits of plumbing and a new fuel pump and I will get on it.

 

Regards, Tim

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Nov 20 12:18:06 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:18:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] A hearty thanks
In-Reply-To: <001d01cca7b3$e1e975e0$a5bc61a0$@ca>
References: <001d01cca7b3$e1e975e0$a5bc61a0$@ca>
Message-ID: <4EC9526E.1040206@bradakis.com>

Tim Webster wrote:
> ...
>
> The list is clearly an invaluable resource for people like me who are
> restoring their first Tiger. Over time the list community at large has
> solved seemingly unsolvable problems and given me the encouragement to carry
> on through some challenges.
>
> ...
>
>

I say Thank YOU!  Comments like this explain why I do what I
do with Team.Net.  Your story is not unique, there are many more
who appreciate what a resource this is.  I wonder how many old
sports car are on the road today instead of the scrap heap due to
the people who make these lists what they are.

mjb.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov 20 16:18:49 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:18:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] A hearty thanks
In-Reply-To: <4EC9526E.1040206@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <D6ED79A4AC97456B968127DB8C19D7D5@ronpc1>

Mark
	I consider your work "priceless" and I thank you for your dedication
and hard work that keeps us connected.
I'm sure everyone on team net feels the same.

Happy Thanksgiving to all

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 2:18 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] A hearty thanks


Tim Webster wrote:
> ...
>
> The list is clearly an invaluable resource for people like me who are
> restoring their first Tiger. Over time the list community at large has
> solved seemingly unsolvable problems and given me the encouragement to
> carry on through some challenges.
>
> ...
>
>

I say Thank YOU!  Comments like this explain why I do what I
do with Team.Net.  Your story is not unique, there are many more who
appreciate what a resource this is.  I wonder how many old sports car are on
the road today instead of the scrap heap due to the people who make these
lists what they are.

mjb.
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From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Sun Nov 20 17:10:55 2011
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:10:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Florida TAC Event December 3rd
Message-ID: <1321834255.355.YahooMailClassic@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Tiger Owners and Interested Guests,
     It is less than two weeks until the next Southeast TAC Event to be held
at my warehouse in Naples, Florida.  If you need to have your Tiger TAC'd or
just want to social with some great people, come on by. 
     We will start around 10am but I will be there earlier.  The address is
3073 Van Buren  Naples,Florida.  The phone number to the warehouse is
239-732-1704.  My cell phone number is 704-564-3831.  If you are trailering
your car, I have plenty of parking on my yard for day or overnight parking. 
Call me if you have any questions.
     I look forward to seeing you.

Paul
Paul R Sheahan

From crbernardino at mac.com  Thu Nov 24 00:52:18 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:52:18 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 50th Anniversary to be Featured at 2012 Rolex
 Monterey Motorsports Reunion - Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <BB213B08-86D4-44F4-84B1-88FB7CFDAF33@mac.com>

Does this mean that Tigers will be included? Any of the racers in the group know? I hope so!
Rob


http://www.mazdaraceway.com/press-release/cobra-50th-anniversary-be-featured-2012-rolex-monterey-motorsports-reunion



Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From crabco at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 27 15:17:14 2011
From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:17:14 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Wiring harness placement
Message-ID: <007201ccad52$51419dc0$f3c4d940$@ca>

Listers,

Just finishing up the wiring on my Mark 1. I am a little puzzled at the
exact routing of the harness as it passes behind the dashboard. Is it meant
to travel over or under the dash support brackets? Over has to look better
but I would worry about chafing against the brackets. It also looks like the
new harness (from SS) has been given a bit of a v bend where it passes under
the left dash support bracket although that could be coincidental with
shipping and storage method.

 

I retrieved a mounting clip from the old harness midway between where the
rear harness joins it and the dash. It looks pretty original and I am
wondering if it is, where is it to be anchored? It would go a long way
towards elevating the unsightly wires.

 

Yes I know, I should have taken more pictures of this area before
disassembly. Problem with that is the elapsed 45 years and who knows how
many owners with their personal amazing "improvements".

 

Thanks,

Tim

From Rollright at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 10:22:20 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:22:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty magazine u-tube on Sunbeam Minx
Message-ID: <4747.631d4515.3c066ecb@aol.com>

In this clip, they interview the owner of a 1967 Sunbeam Minx. Aparently  
thy were all Hillman Minx until 1967.
 
see: 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc8fwctDrbo&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=Issue%208&utm_campaign=British%20Car%20In
sider_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc8fwctDrbo&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=Issue%208&utm_campaign=British%20Car%20
Insider) 
 
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Nov 29 12:39:52 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:39:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty magazine u-tube on Sunbeam Minx
In-Reply-To: <4747.631d4515.3c066ecb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <356975731.376698.1322595592459.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Cute car..  and DARN,  yesterday there was one on Craigslist in northern CA,
I was going to post a link, BUT, its gone..   looked like a good clean original one
for $2800 asking..
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Rollright at aol.com
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:22:20 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty magazine u-tube on Sunbeam Minx

In this clip, they interview the owner of a 1967 Sunbeam Minx. Aparently  
thy were all Hillman Minx until 1967.
 
see: 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc8fwctDrbo&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=Issue%208&utm_campaign=British%20Car%20In
sider_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc8fwctDrbo&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=Issue%208&utm_campaign=British%20Car%20
Insider) 
 
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 
382002083
LRXFE
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From douglasalyle at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 21:10:33 2011
From: douglasalyle at yahoo.com (Doug Lyle)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:10:33 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty magazine u-tube on Sunbeam Minx
In-Reply-To: <356975731.376698.1322595592459.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <356975731.376698.1322595592459.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9DC0F1D9-ABAE-457E-B52E-BD09008AFC24@yahoo.com>

Shoot, I missed the one in Nor Cal.  They are neat cars.  I found one a few
years ago that a guy owned since new.  It's almost as much fun as a
Tiger....and seats 4.   The Sunbeam Minx is fairly rare....especially one with
an automatic!

The Minx I have just got back from a trip to Anaheim.  It was filmed for a
movie that stars Jamie Foxx.   A key piece of the movie has a poor college kid
selling his Minx to pay for college.  He dreams of getting his car back and
once he has money he eventually gets his Minx back.

Doug Lyle

On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Gary Winblad <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

> Cute car..  and DARN,  yesterday there was one on Craigslist in northern
CA,
> I was going to post a link, BUT, its gone..   looked like a good clean
original one
> for $2800 asking..
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rollright at aol.com
> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:22:20 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty magazine u-tube on Sunbeam Minx
>
> In this clip, they interview the owner of a 1967 Sunbeam Minx. Aparently
> thy were all Hillman Minx until 1967.
>
> see:
>
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc8fwctDrbo&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium
=email&utm_term=&utm_content=Issue%208&utm_campaign=British%20Car%20In
> sider_
>
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc8fwctDrbo&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium
=email&utm_term=&utm_content=Issue%208&utm_campaign=British%20Car%20
> Insider)
>
>
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083
> LRXFE
> _______________________________________________

From milward at roadrunner.com  Wed Nov 30 09:40:06 2011
From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:40:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
Message-ID: <18DA1FCA47994C268B6323C11ECA8A47@BillPC>

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/5013/Sunbeam-Tiger-Lister-Le-Mans-Coupe.ht
ml

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 30 10:06:30 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:06:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
In-Reply-To: <18DA1FCA47994C268B6323C11ECA8A47@BillPC>
References: <18DA1FCA47994C268B6323C11ECA8A47@BillPC>
Message-ID: <4ED66296.80202@mayfco.com>

Sad that the car in this configuration never made it to production. I 
would have bought one for sure.  Very nice looking, well balanced and 
heck, if it had had a period of development with lots of buyers and 
racers, the company might have even survived.

mayf

______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 11/30/2011 8:40 AM, Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories wrote:
> http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/5013/Sunbeam-Tiger-Lister-Le-Mans-Coupe.html

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 10:30:34 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:30:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
Message-ID: <7e34f.166c60e4.3c07c23a@aol.com>

I wonder if these are actual...ready to drive pictures.  The thing  that 
seems unusual to me is a big radiator, but a tiny fan and no shroud.  Maybe 
with  no idling traffic to worry about this system would work?
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 11/30/2011 11:40:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
milward at roadrunner.com writes:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/5013/Sunbeam-Tiger-Lister-Le-Mans-Coupe.h
t
ml
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Wed Nov 30 11:01:57 2011
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:01:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
In-Reply-To: <7e34f.166c60e4.3c07c23a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111130130157.KOOT5.171276.imail@fed1rmwml302>

The LeMans Tiger is a race car. prolonged idling is not a design requirement.
Whats on there is the way it runs.
---- CoolVT at aol.com wrote: 
> I wonder if these are actual...ready to drive pictures.  The thing  that 
> seems unusual to me is a big radiator, but a tiny fan and no shroud.  Maybe 
> with  no idling traffic to worry about this system would work?
> Mark
>  
>  
> In a message dated 11/30/2011 11:40:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> milward at roadrunner.com writes:
> 
> http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/5013/Sunbeam-Tiger-Lister-Le-Mans-Coupe.h
> t
> ml
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 12:54:03 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:54:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
Message-ID: <19fd4.6598533d.3c07e3db@aol.com>

Thank you. Makes sense.
M
 
 
In a message dated 11/30/2011 1:01:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
e.coiner at cox.net writes:

The  LeMans Tiger is a race car. prolonged idling is not a design  
requirement.
Whats on there is the way it runs.
---- CoolVT at aol.com  wrote: 
> I wonder if these are actual...ready to drive pictures.   The thing  that 
> seems unusual to me is a big radiator, but a  tiny fan and no shroud.  
Maybe 
> with  no idling traffic to  worry about this system would work?
> Mark
>  
>   
> In a message dated 11/30/2011 11:40:19 A.M. Eastern Standard  Time,  
> milward at roadrunner.com writes:
> 
>  
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/5013/Sunbeam-Tiger-Lister-Le-Mans-Coupe.h
>  t
> ml
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 30 15:53:00 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:53:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
In-Reply-To: <7e34f.166c60e4.3c07c23a@aol.com>
References: <7e34f.166c60e4.3c07c23a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4ED6B3CC.8070504@mayfco.com>

Don't know anything for sure, but the radiator looks as if it has an 
electric fan mounted in pront of it. The black doohickeys seem to me to 
be the push through fasteners which hold the fan in place.  I haven't 
been wrong yet this week so that is a firm possibility  though, lol.... 
And I am suspecting that the aluminum rad is not original ....

but who knows?

mayf

still like the car no matter if it is a one or two of a kind.

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 11/30/2011 9:30 AM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
> I wonder if these are actual...ready to drive pictures.  The thing  that
> seems unusual to me is a big radiator, but a tiny fan and no shroud.  Maybe
> with  no idling traffic to worry about this system would work?
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/2011 11:40:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> milward at roadrunner.com writes:
>
> http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/5013/Sunbeam-Tiger-Lister-Le-Mans-Coupe.h
> t
> ml
> _______________________________________________
>
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Nov 30 15:57:33 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:57:33 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
In-Reply-To: <4ED6B3CC.8070504@mayfco.com>
References: <7e34f.166c60e4.3c07c23a@aol.com>
  <4ED6B3CC.8070504@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405EF849569@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I've heard that those black push-through fasteners can wear the radiator core
tubes due to vibration and that can create an expensive doorstop. Even though
it's more hassle to build, doing a proper fan mount off the front sheetmetal
is a better way to go.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: November 30, 2011 3:53 PM
> To: CoolVT at aol.com
> Cc: milward at roadrunner.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
>
> Don't know anything for sure, but the radiator looks as if it has an
> electric fan mounted in pront of it. The black doohickeys seem to me to
> be the push through fasteners which hold the fan in place.  I haven't
> been wrong yet this week so that is a firm possibility  though, lol....
> And I am suspecting that the aluminum rad is not original ....
>
> but who knows?
>
> mayf
>
> still like the car no matter if it is a one or two of a kind.
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>


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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 16:41:15 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:41:15 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
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  <4ED6B3CC.8070504@mayfco.com>
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im quite sure the LM Tigers didnt have ally radiators when they ran at
Lasathe back in 1964.. i cant remember seeing an original photo of the
negine bay at the event, but when bernard unnett ran one later the
engine bay pics dont show it to be alloy.

Also, the orginal LeMans setup was 2 4BBL carbs, unnett then ran ith
with 4 x webers.

On 01/12/2011, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
> Don't know anything for sure, but the radiator looks as if it has an
> electric fan mounted in pront of it. The black doohickeys seem to me to
> be the push through fasteners which hold the fan in place.  I haven't
> been wrong yet this week so that is a firm possibility  though, lol....
> And I am suspecting that the aluminum rad is not original ....
>
> but who knows?
>
> mayf
>
> still like the car no matter if it is a one or two of a kind.
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
> On 11/30/2011 9:30 AM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
>> I wonder if these are actual...ready to drive pictures.  The thing  that
>> seems unusual to me is a big radiator, but a tiny fan and no shroud.
>> Maybe
>> with  no idling traffic to worry about this system would work?
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/30/2011 11:40:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> milward at roadrunner.com writes:
>>
>> http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/5013/Sunbeam-Tiger-Lister-Le-Mans-Coupe.h
>> t
>> ml
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 19:33:38 2011
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:33:38 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
In-Reply-To: <CAET8snUg2eq=ipiVYqTJswEaEc5hp_BGhoqWzusAxtixy=noFg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAET8snUg2eq=ipiVYqTJswEaEc5hp_BGhoqWzusAxtixy=noFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DA436E492694211A85C1E51CAC0C029@OfficePC>

There are two different engines pictured.  Which engine goes with the Le
Mans car?



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 5:41 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: milward at roadrunner.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery

im quite sure the LM Tigers didnt have ally radiators when they ran at
Lasathe back in 1964.. i cant remember seeing an original photo of the
negine bay at the event, but when bernard unnett ran one later the
engine bay pics dont show it to be alloy.

Also, the orginal LeMans setup was 2 4BBL carbs, unnett then ran ith
with 4 x webers.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 22:00:13 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:00:13 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
In-Reply-To: <3DA436E492694211A85C1E51CAC0C029@OfficePC>
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I just had a look at the pics on the site.. the photos seem to cover
the LM Race Tiger at goodwood this year, and the "MULE" development
Tiger at monterye this year. The engine with the large dark filter is
the number 8 race car.. the other is the small filter is the mule car.

The original race cars (8 and 9) ran twin 4BBL's.. not sure what the
mule ran or if it got a shelby prep'ed engine for the test sessions.

On 01/12/2011, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are two different engines pictured.  Which engine goes with the Le
> Mans car?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of michael king
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 5:41 PM
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com
> Cc: milward at roadrunner.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Le Mans Tiger Gallery
>
> im quite sure the LM Tigers didnt have ally radiators when they ran at
> Lasathe back in 1964.. i cant remember seeing an original photo of the
> negine bay at the event, but when bernard unnett ran one later the
> engine bay pics dont show it to be alloy.
>
> Also, the orginal LeMans setup was 2 4BBL carbs, unnett then ran ith
> with 4 x webers.
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From sawhill at att.net  Wed Nov 30 22:18:32 2011
From: sawhill at att.net (Kenda Sawhill)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:18:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty magazine u-tube on Sunbeam Minx
In-Reply-To: <9DC0F1D9-ABAE-457E-B52E-BD09008AFC24@yahoo.com>
References: <356975731.376698.1322595592459.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<9DC0F1D9-ABAE-457E-B52E-BD09008AFC24@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A01609BB8EBC489593C3F480CB37F12B@HomeOffice>

I think I know of a Minx convertible that is available in N.Ca. It is a
friend's un-finished project for his wife, but she unfortunately passed away
and the project abandoned. Contact me off list for more info.

Mac Sawhill

From keep911 at me.com  Thu Nov 17 14:21:40 2011
From: keep911 at me.com (Keep Morse)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:21:40 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] No postings re Tigers
Message-ID: <918F4C4C-E246-48EA-9BEC-61074A1056E6@me.com>

Hi All, I have not received any posting in the last 2 weeks!
Is there an issue?
Keep

From jeff at feitmail.com  Sat Nov 26 18:16:50 2011
From: jeff at feitmail.com (Jeff Feit)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:16:50 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] Is this mailing list still active?
Message-ID: <005101ccaca2$4140d8b0$c3c28a10$@feitmail.com>

Just wondering if this mailing list is still active? I was on it a long time
ago.

 

Jeff Feit