From rande at thecia.net Sun May 1 06:55:15 2011 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 08:55:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] An Orchid Green Alpine Message-ID: <4dbd5833.3c9.0@thecia.net> For those of you wondering what your car would look like in Orchid Green, there's an Alpine Series V on eBay this morning, with plenty of good photos: eBay # 170632398584 The auction is up later today. rb From Carmods at aol.com Sun May 1 08:27:48 2011 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Actuation Question Message-ID: Hi Duke, Here is how to determine if your clutch actuation is enough. If you put the transmission into 4th gear, grab the output shaft and twist while someone is slowly depressing the clutch. You will be able to feel when the clutch begins to release. Your helper, who is depressing the clutch pedal can then tell you where the pedal is at release point. John From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Sun May 1 11:19:21 2011 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:19:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] sea crest green #30 Message-ID: Hi guys, Does anyone have modern paint #s for sea crest green #30? very cool color! Thanx Jeff From genepadgett at comcast.net Sun May 1 12:50:14 2011 From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rear spring lubrication In-Reply-To: <607850179.13341.1304275744867.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1050570654.13391.1304275814067.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi all, I have my rear leaf springs off and am giving them a good cleanup, replacing bushings, spring wrap rubber, etc. It has been suggested that while I have them apart that I radius the squared off tips at the contact area for smoother operation. I am finding some of the button spacers on the ends of the leafs are a bit worn. Not to the point of unservicability, but noticeably.B Anyone know if replacements are available? A coupleB have separated andB I am guessing the tops and bottoms are just placed in the holes and glued together.B In fact it would seem that you could just take them apart and swap the tops for the bottoms if worst came to worst.B Maybe just smoothing the worn buttons would be a good idea? Anyone lubricated the springs or at least the tips and the button contact area? I was thinking of using Energy Suspension greaseB made for their polyurethane anti-sway bar bushings. The obvious worry is that any grease is going to attract road dirt and ultimately make things much worst.B Any recommendations on that? I saw a racing Tiger on ebay not long ago and they indicted the leafs were separated by teflon. Anybody done that? My apologies if these questions have been answered here in the past.B I only recently joined and my searchs of the archives didn't turn up the answers. Maybe I did them wrong. Thanks, Gene From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun May 1 13:16:33 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:16:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] sea crest green #30 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1DF68020E8D84BA59EC70371408A0E7C@ronpc1> Jeff The only information I have on Sea Crest Green: Ditzler # 42300 Chrysler # 75242817 Berger Code - 404.0659 ICI - 3033 I'm not sure that will help you get to a modern paint mix. You may need to contact Dale's Restoration to see if they can help you with the paint. There is a discussion on this forum but no paint #s; maybe it will get you a contact for information. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4843 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffery Randall Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 1:19 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] sea crest green #30 Hi guys, Does anyone have modern paint #s for sea crest green #30? very cool color! Thanx Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3606 - Release Date: 04/30/11 06:34:00 From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sun May 1 14:43:34 2011 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 13:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] sea crest green #30 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DBDC5F6.2020005@socal.rr.com> Sure, Jeff, 1. Just take some green pea soup (I recommend "Andersen's") http://www.peasoupandersens.com/ 2. (It's on my way between Los Angeles and Vandenberg AFB.) 3. Add some cream until you get to the color you want. 4. Apply with a spray gun 5. Liberally coat the finish with a "Clear Coat" 6. Keep out of the sun! Now, if we were talking a British Racing Green, the results would be more towards my liking. But, everyone has their own taste. Steve /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* On 5/1/11 10:19 AM, Jeffery Randall wrote: > Hi guys, > Does anyone have modern paint #s for sea crest green #30? very cool > color! > Thanx > Jeff > _______________________________________________ From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sun May 1 14:48:43 2011 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 16:48:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] An Orchid Green Alpine In-Reply-To: <4dbd5833.3c9.0@thecia.net> References: <4dbd5833.3c9.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <8609BD49-52E2-478D-B5E0-71B6B03F80BE@yahoo.com> love that color, saw a pick of a mark 2 in that color with the black/white body stripes, wow On May 1, 2011, at 8:55 AM, rande wrote: > For those of you wondering what your car would look like in Orchid Green, there's > an Alpine Series V on eBay this morning, with plenty of good photos: > > eBay # 170632398584 > > The auction is up later today. > > rb From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun May 1 19:57:50 2011 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 20:57:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Who designed the speedo cable location? In-Reply-To: <8609BD49-52E2-478D-B5E0-71B6B03F80BE@yahoo.com> References: <4dbd5833.3c9.0@thecia.net> <8609BD49-52E2-478D-B5E0-71B6B03F80BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cc086c$57d838a0$0788a9e0$@rr.com> I owe him an ass-kicking. Engine is in and I am SMOKED. Crossmember tomorrow. See today's pictures here - http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.1255824721370.2034409.140214749 6&l=33c2567b45 Shower time. Duke B382002037 From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun May 1 22:13:46 2011 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 21:13:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear spring lubrication References: <1050570654.13391.1304275814067.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Gene, Since my Tiger is not running I can't tell you the results, but this is what I did: 1. Found faucet washer in as close size as I could get. I figured a faucet washer sees a lot of friction and pressure and holds up well. 2. Packed center hole with grease. I believe I used plumbers grease thinking that it would not react negatively with the rubber washer. If I has it to do over I now have a small lathe and would likely find an appropriate plastic (Teflon???) and turn it to size. I look forward to seeing what others have to say. Tom > Hi all, I have my rear leaf springs off and am giving them a good cleanup, > replacing bushings, spring wrap rubber, etc. It has been suggested that > while > I have them apart that I radius the squared off tips at the contact area > for > smoother operation. > > I am finding some of the button spacers on the ends of the leafs are a bit > worn. Not to the point of unservicability, but noticeably.B Anyone know > if > replacements are available? A coupleB have separated andB I am guessing > the > tops and bottoms are just placed in the holes and glued together.B In fact > it > would seem that you could just take them apart and swap the tops for the > bottoms if worst came to worst.B Maybe just smoothing the worn buttons > would > be a good idea? > > Anyone lubricated the springs or at least the tips and the button contact > area? I was thinking of using Energy Suspension greaseB made for their > polyurethane anti-sway bar bushings. The obvious worry is that any grease > is > going to attract road dirt and ultimately make things much worst.B Any > recommendations on that? > > I saw a racing Tiger on ebay not long ago and they indicted the leafs were > separated by teflon. Anybody done that? > My apologies if these questions have been answered here in the past.B I > only > recently joined and my searchs of the archives didn't turn up the answers. > Maybe I did them wrong. > > Thanks, Gene From twojohnsons at cox.net Mon May 2 07:40:03 2011 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:40:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] sea crest green #30 References: <4DBDC5F6.2020005@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1A64DB37DD6F4A16B7942D26DB0ACD6C@3bfd27b5ca44402> I thought the Germans had the pukiest 60s colors, but Orchid Green fits right into that pantheon. IMHO, Rootes racing green missed the mark, while the Jag's almost black was the best. From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Mon May 2 10:46:48 2011 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] sea crest green #30 In-Reply-To: <4DBDC5F6.2020005@socal.rr.com> References: <4DBDC5F6.2020005@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Well you guys if it came from Rootes that color its certainly going to be worth more than if I paint it Carnival Red or BRG But with 5 Alpines and 2 Tigers I have 5 different codes to paint by the time I retire. I think Ive Been biten by the Beambug. Cheers, Jeff On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Sure, Jeff, > > > 1. Just take some green pea soup (I recommend "Andersen's") http://www.peasoupandersens.com/ > > 2. (It's on my way between Los Angeles and Vandenberg AFB.) > 3. Add some cream until you get to the color you want. > 4. Apply with a spray gun > 5. Liberally coat the finish with a "Clear Coat" > 6. Keep out of the sun! > > Now, if we were talking a British Racing Green, the results would be more > towards my liking. But, everyone has their own taste. > > Steve > > > > *Steve Laifman* > > *Editor - **TigersUnited.com* > > > > On 5/1/11 10:19 AM, Jeffery Randall wrote: > > Hi guys, > Does anyone have modern paint #s for sea crest green #30? very cool > color! > Thanx > Jeff > _______________________________________________ From e.coiner at cox.net Mon May 2 11:27:05 2011 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Who designed the speedo cable location? In-Reply-To: <000301cc086c$57d838a0$0788a9e0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20110502132705.HXRUI.331839.imail@fed1rmwml43> Short answer. Ford engineer responsible for the Ford Fairlane. No body at Rootes You do know about the access panel on the side of the tranny hump, don't you? Erich PS Congrats on getting it in. ---- Samouce's wrote: > I owe him an ass-kicking. > > Engine is in and I am SMOKED. Crossmember tomorrow. > > See today's pictures here - > http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.1255824721370.2034409.140214749 > 6&l=33c2567b45 > > Shower time. > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From allanballard at att.net Mon May 2 13:29:18 2011 From: allanballard at att.net (allanballard at att.net) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge In-Reply-To: References: <4DBDC5F6.2020005@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7E729A9C-A8AF-4A4B-A062-692F3A63CC00@att.net> What gauge wire did the factory use in the engine compartment? I'd like to add an electric fan and use wires that "match" the factory wires. Thanks in advance, Allan Ballard Mk1 Tiger Series IV Alpine Sent from my iPhone From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net Mon May 2 14:45:32 2011 From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 16:45:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tires In-Reply-To: <304FF5C7215D6F4992D715B2E95222502847425BB5@MAILR010.mail.lan> Message-ID: After seeing an ad in Classic and Sportscar magazine for www.classictyres.com , I tried the site and found: http://www.classictyres.com/item/391/205-60vr-13-vredestein-nl-car-tyre--roa d--sprint-classic--tl So maybe there are still 205/60-13's out there. That said, no idea is these are good tires or not (I thought the Yokohama AVS Intermediates were great but that was a long time ago). So, there's hope Larry Wright ------ End of Forwarded Message From gabbardalex at att.net Mon May 2 15:14:03 2011 From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <388266.42871.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All, The only "good" 185/60R13 and 205/60R13 tires I've been able to find are Toyo R888, said to be a street legal racing tire with agressive stick. About $150 each. I have 8-spoke ShelbyLite 13-inch and WesternLite 13-inch wheels on my Tigers. They look great with the R888 tires. Fit and clearance is OK. Hope this helps. Alex Gabbard ________________________________ From: Larry & Susan To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 4:45:32 PM Subject: [Tigers] tires After seeing an ad in Classic and Sportscar magazine for www.classictyres.com , I tried the site and found: http://www.classictyres.com/item/391/205-60vr-13-vredestein-nl-car-tyre--roa d--sprint-classic--tl So maybe there are still 205/60-13's out there. That said, no idea is these are good tires or not (I thought the Yokohama AVS Intermediates were great but that was a long time ago). So, there's hope Larry Wright ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gabbardalex at att.net From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon May 2 15:21:22 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 17:21:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge In-Reply-To: <7E729A9C-A8AF-4A4B-A062-692F3A63CC00@att.net> Message-ID: Allan The gauge wire you use needs to be rated for the amperage the electric fan draws, the length of the wire and the type of covering. Most of the wiring is 18 gauge, rated around 8 to 10 amps in the original harness, horns and headlights are 14 gauge, rated around 17 amps in the original harness. Remember the original harness is to British standards. Check BritishWiring.com for more information about British wire sizes. Today's automotive wire will generally handle a little more amperage. If the fan comes with a wire kit use that wire it is the correct size. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of allanballard at att.net Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 3:29 PM To: Jeffery Randall Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge What gauge wire did the factory use in the engine compartment? I'd like to add an electric fan and use wires that "match" the factory wires. Thanks in advance, Allan Ballard Mk1 Tiger Series IV Alpine Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3606 - Release Date: 05/02/11 06:35:00 From baumerbarncobob at aol.com Mon May 2 16:41:29 2011 From: baumerbarncobob at aol.com (baumerbarncobob at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 18:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] tires 205/60/13 Message-ID: <8CDD731366A5F8D-17F0-E2D2@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> i posted this awhile back, im running coopers and they are A+ www.tires-easy.com From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon May 2 19:02:58 2011 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 21:02:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] rear springs Message-ID: <002e01cc092d$d8a74180$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> If you are dealing with original springs, ie 40 plus year old, they are probably junk, lube and reclamping etc will not put life back in them, this is true for all old springs, not just sunbeams, new springs in an old car can be one of the best improvements you can make to the driveability of the car....Clyde From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Mon May 2 21:01:55 2011 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 23:01:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tires In-Reply-To: <388266.42871.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <388266.42871.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Al, Call your local Firestone store I think you can find 185s there. Jeff On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Gabbard Gabbard wrote: > Hello All, > The only "good" 185/60R13 and 205/60R13 tires I've been able to > find are Toyo > R888, said to be a street legal racing tire with agressive > stick. About $150 > each. I have 8-spoke ShelbyLite 13-inch and WesternLite > 13-inch wheels on my > Tigers. They look great with the R888 tires. Fit and > clearance is OK. > Hope this helps. > Alex Gabbard > ________________________________ > From: Larry & Susan > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, May 2, > 2011 4:45:32 PM > Subject: [Tigers] tires > > After seeing an ad in Classic and > Sportscar magazine for > www.classictyres.com , I > tried the site and > found: > > http://www.classictyres.com/item/391/205-60vr-13-vredestein-nl-car-tyre--roa > d--sprint-classic--tl > < > http://www.classictyres.com/item/391/205-60vr-13-vredestein-nl-car-tyre--ro > ad--sprint-classic--tl> > > So maybe there are still 205/60-13's out there. That > said, no idea is these > are good tires or not (I thought the Yokohama AVS > Intermediates were great > but that was a long time ago). So, there's hope > Larry Wright > > > > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gabbardalex at att.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall at gmail.com From sganz at pacbell.net Mon May 2 22:12:32 2011 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608171.72753.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Allan - Here is a link to a wire size calculator, use a wire that is good for the rated current for the given length of the run. Fans tend to draw a lot of current and this will help ensure that you have the right gauge for the run of the wire, and definitely use a separate fuse to the fans. And it is always OK to use a larger gauge wire if in doubt. http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/WireSizeCalc.html Sandy ________________________________ From: Ron Fraser To: allanballard at att.net; Jeffery Randall Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 2:21:22 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge Allan The gauge wire you use needs to be rated for the amperage the electric fan draws, the length of the wire and the type of covering. Most of the wiring is 18 gauge, rated around 8 to 10 amps in the original harness, horns and headlights are 14 gauge, rated around 17 amps in the original harness. Remember the original harness is to British standards. Check BritishWiring.com for more information about British wire sizes. Today's automotive wire will generally handle a little more amperage. If the fan comes with a wire kit use that wire it is the correct size. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of allanballard at att.net Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 3:29 PM To: Jeffery Randall Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge What gauge wire did the factory use in the engine compartment? I'd like to add an electric fan and use wires that "match" the factory wires. Thanks in advance, Allan Ballard Mk1 Tiger Series IV Alpine Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3606 - Release Date: 05/02/11 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Tue May 3 12:29:55 2011 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 14:29:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Dale's radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone have some advice on installing Dale's aluminum rad? The stock rad fits fine with about 1/2" clearance to the fan. Dale's rad is thicker and hence is closer to the fan - VERY tight. My engine mounts are new and installed correctly. I'm curious what others have done. thanks, Paul From jheff123 at msn.com Tue May 3 12:52:48 2011 From: jheff123 at msn.com (John Heffron) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 14:52:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Replacement body panels needed for rusted tiger Message-ID: Listers: Rather than scrap my severely rusted underside Mk1A Tiger I am embarking on significant repairs. I am using a very talented metal guy however to make life easiier I was hoping to find sills, floors, and cruciform repair sections that work. Any recommendations on vendors? It does not look like there are many choices domestically. Thanks for the help Regards, John 1966 Mk1A TAC#707 From cars at wt-inc.com Tue May 3 14:01:07 2011 From: cars at wt-inc.com (cars at wt-inc.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:01:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Dale's radiator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007401cc09cc$d75c23a0$86146ae0$@com> Mine was very tight to the fan but even more so to the inspection plates on the steering rack. I ended up grinding the lower edge of the inspection plates to an angle and then had the bolts converted to flush head. This gave me adequate clearance. I don't remember doing anything special for the clearance to the water pump and fan. I also took the opportunity to build a custom shroud (enclosed fully) since the old shroud would not fit. Like you said the radiator is thicker than stock. Good luck, they are great radiators. Also, have you asked Dale. He is great with help installing anything you purchased from him, at least in my experience. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:30 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dale's radiator Does anyone have some advice on installing Dale's aluminum rad? The stock rad fits fine with about 1/2" clearance to the fan. Dale's rad is thicker and hence is closer to the fan - VERY tight. My engine mounts are new and installed correctly. I'm curious what others have done. thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars at wt-inc.com From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Tue May 3 14:19:00 2011 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:19:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Dale's radiator In-Reply-To: <007401cc09cc$d75c23a0$86146ae0$@com> References: <007401cc09cc$d75c23a0$86146ae0$@com> Message-ID: I talked to Dale and he told me to check motor mounts again, use a Derale 17015 fan, AND that the rad shroud is unnecessary. I guess I'll experiment a little. :') thanks, Paul wrote on 03/05/2011 04:01:07 PM: > From: > To: , > Date: 03/05/2011 04:01 PM > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Dale's radiator > > Mine was very tight to the fan but even more so to the inspection plates on > the steering rack. I ended up grinding the lower edge of the inspection > plates to an angle and then had the bolts converted to flush head. This > gave me adequate clearance. I don't remember doing anything special for the > clearance to the water pump and fan. > > I also took the opportunity to build a custom shroud (enclosed fully) since > the old shroud would not fit. Like you said the radiator is thicker than > stock. > > Good luck, they are great radiators. Also, have you asked Dale. He is > great with help installing anything you purchased from him, at least in my > experience. > > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [ mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:30 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Dale's radiator > > Does anyone have some advice on installing Dale's aluminum rad? > The stock rad fits fine with about 1/2" clearance to the fan. > Dale's rad is thicker and hence is closer to the fan - VERY tight. > My engine mounts are new and installed correctly. > I'm curious what others have done. > > thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars at wt-inc.com From jteepen at usatoday.com Tue May 3 14:28:31 2011 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge In-Reply-To: <608171.72753.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <608171.72753.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Painless Wiring makes a dedicated kit to power an electric fan. It includes everything needed, including a relay, and the correct wire size. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:13 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; allanballard at att.net; Jeffery Randall Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge Allan - Here is a link to a wire size calculator, use a wire that is good for the rated current for the given length of the run. Fans tend to draw a lot of current and this will help ensure that you have the right gauge for the run of the wire, and definitely use a separate fuse to the fans. And it is always OK to use a larger gauge wire if in doubt. http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/WireSizeCalc.html Sandy From genepadgett at comcast.net Tue May 3 15:28:33 2011 From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] rear springs In-Reply-To: <775452294.35979.1304457971861.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <652009152.36127.1304458113948.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Clyde, that is an interesting perspective. I have heard that true spring steel has not been made and used since the 1950's or so. If true, maybe that is part of the reason they do not last. I also periodically hear about people getting their springs re-arched. Does that qualify as "new" in your opinion? When it comes to re-arching,B I have never seen any information on what are theB specs or what you tell the company that is doing the work.B Do youB or anyone else on the List have that information? Cheers, Gene B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 8:02:58 PM Subject: [Tigers] rear springs If you are dealing with original springs, B ie 40 plus year old, B they are probably junk, B lube and reclamping etc will not put life back in them, B this is true for all old springs, B not just sunbeams, B new springs in an old car can be one of the best improvements you can make to the driveability of the car....Clyde _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett at comcast.net From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue May 3 16:36:54 2011 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:36:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge In-Reply-To: References: <608171.72753.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E30EE0F3@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> I used that electric fan wiring kit in my Tiger along with a Painless 8-circuit kit... works great. The relay mounts are modular so you can join them together, which looks good as well. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere > Sent: May 3, 2011 2:29 PM > To: Sandy Ganz; rfraser at bluefrog.com; allanballard at att.net; Jeffery > Randall > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge > > Painless Wiring makes a dedicated kit to power an electric fan. It > includes > everything needed, including a relay, and the correct wire size. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:13 PM > To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; allanballard at att.net; Jeffery Randall > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory wire gauge > > Allan - > > > Here is a link to a wire size calculator, use a wire that is good > for the rated > current for the given length of the run. Fans tend to draw a > lot of current and > this will help ensure that you have the right gauge for > the run of the wire, and > definitely use a separate fuse to the fans. And it > is always OK to use a larger > gauge wire if in doubt. > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/WireSizeCalc.html > > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue May 3 16:52:44 2011 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:52:44 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Dale's radiator In-Reply-To: References: <007401cc09cc$d75c23a0$86146ae0$@com> Message-ID: On 4 May 2011 06:19, wrote: > I talked to Dale and he told me to check motor mounts again, use a Derale > 17015 fan, AND that the rad shroud is unnecessary. > I guess I'll experiment a little. :') > > thanks, > > Paul > The shroud does however keep the bonnet clean.. my fan smears the underside of the bonnet with all sorts of bugs and road grime in a nice line side to side above it.. i'd get the shroud just to save the cleaning up after a nice run! -- Regards Michael King From vegaslegal at aol.com Tue May 3 17:11:43 2011 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 19:11:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Convertable Top Frame Message-ID: <8CDD7FE9A10E9E4-1500-68E2@webmail-d140.sysops.aol.com> Is there anyone out there restoring these. I've got the velcro one with various missing or broke minutia and a second core as well. Restored the whole body, interior, trunk, glass, rubber, etc., but don't want to tackle this. I can trade the two cores and some $ or pay for a restoration, or just outright buy a turn-key frame. Please let me know. Thanks, Bob Nersesian From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue May 3 19:56:17 2011 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Oak Electric Clock Message-ID: This must be a rare item. Its the first one I have ever seen. Ebay # 330558239223 Jeff From gabbardalex at att.net Tue May 3 20:37:32 2011 From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 19:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] June Jaunt 2011 In-Reply-To: <49EB62EC765244BE956A3A5D131CFB61@ronpc1> References: <49EB62EC765244BE956A3A5D131CFB61@ronpc1> Message-ID: <477607.56682.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All-Sunbeam June Jaunt 2011 Open to all British Marques Where: Pigeon Forge, TN When: June 16-17-18-19, 2011 (Thur - Sun) Location: Oak Tree Lodge (B&B, on the main drag) $65/night + tax, 865-428-7500 (smoke free) Ask for British Car Club Package Reserved parking for cars, trucks & trailers Catered Saturday lunch (burgers & dogs, $16/per) Catered Saturday night dinner ($21/per, 5-7 pm) Talk: Moonshine in the Mountains (7-8 pm) Oldies dance Saturday night (8-11 pm) Registration fee: $40 per entrant at the Lodge - No pre-registration Tech sessions: 1. Thur 2 pm: building a 260 stroker 2. Thur 2 pm: Holman-Moody racing history 3. Fri 10 am: Building a toploader 4-spd 4. Fri 10 am: body, paint & finish tips 5. Fri 2 pm: dyno tuning a 260 stroker 6. Fri 2 pm: Tiger/Alpine tech info session Activities: 1. Fri 11 am: tour to lunch at an English pub 2. Sat 9 am: drive the Dragon mountain tour (day trip) 3. Sun 9 am: tour Floyd Garrett's auto museum 4. Pigeon Forge - Gatlinburg: shows, shopping, Titanic, museums, car fun galore Sponsored by GPPress (GPPress at att.net) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue May 3 22:26:14 2011 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:26:14 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Oak Electric Clock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think thats for one of the pre-war pre-rootes sunbeams... they probably mounted on the dash next to the gramaphone :-) On 4 May 2011 11:56, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > This must be a rare item. Its the first one I have ever seen. Ebay # > 330558239223 > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From gleibert185 at comcast.net Wed May 4 03:44:18 2011 From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 05:44:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Sunbeam Tiger Oak Electric Clock Message-ID: The wood is 'Tiger Oak', note the stripes on below the face on the front. Had to look close to see it. George Tiger & woodworking, not necessarily in that order depending on weather -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 12:26 AM To: Jeffrey Nichols Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Oak Electric Clock I think thats for one of the pre-war pre-rootes sunbeams... they probably mounted on the dash next to the gramaphone :-) On 4 May 2011 11:56, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > This must be a rare item. Its the first one I have ever seen. Ebay # > 330558239223 From laurin212 at yahoo.com Wed May 4 06:28:49 2011 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Oak Electric Clock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62BB0992-C99F-4584-8FAD-54E67AB06B50@yahoo.com> its a prototype ian garrad commissioned On May 3, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > This must be a rare item. Its the first one I have ever seen. Ebay # > 330558239223 > > > > > Jeff From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed May 4 20:07:43 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 19:07:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Decoding a Vin ... Message-ID: <4DC2066F.6000600@mayfco.com> I was looking at the VIN number on my F250 and got to thinking a little bit. What does the Vin number of my Mark I signify? What does the Initial "B" mean? how about the 947 after it? Is there a magic decoder which reveals all or is just sort of a made up number. Did Sunbeam start with 947000 and work forwards? Just curious... -- drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed May 4 21:52:10 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 23:52:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Decoding a Vin ... In-Reply-To: <4DC2066F.6000600@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf Excellent question. Generally all the letters and numbers are significant in a Vin number. All Alpines and Tigers are a B code first letter; maybe it refers to the plant in which the body was made. You would need to see all the Vin numbers for all the models Rootes produced to see if there is a pattern. We know that the suffix letters each have a meaning and yes, there is a B9470000 listed in TBON; maybe Norm can fill in about that Tiger. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Decoding a Vin ... I was looking at the VIN number on my F250 and got to thinking a little bit. What does the Vin number of my Mark I signify? What does the Initial "B" mean? how about the 947 after it? Is there a magic decoder which reveals all or is just sort of a made up number. Did Sunbeam start with 947000 and work forwards? Just curious... -- drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3614 - Release Date: 05/04/11 06:34:00 From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Thu May 5 17:46:55 2011 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:46:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifolds Message-ID: While at the Portland Swap Meet, I saw a set of cast SB Ford exhaust manifolds. The R/H and L/H looked like mirror images and the R/H looked identical to a stock Tiger's. The fellow said he thought they were from a Comet. If these were available, why the different specific Tiger casting?? D/S C3DE - 8(9?)431 - A 3H27 P/S C3DE - 9431 - A 5A21 They were quite rusty and a bit hard to read (yes, I had my glasses on!) so may have messed up on the 8's & 9's. Peter From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Thu May 5 17:58:43 2011 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:58:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289's Message-ID: A little while back, some folks were looking for 5 bolt 289's. I made a note of some for sale at Portland. 5 bolt HiPo, correct 1965 no's, freshly rebuilt (not used), complete w/stock cast iron 4 bbl manifold, less carb & distributor. Asking $4800, would probably take $4500 (US). Also has enough parts to build a no's correct 1966 HiPo. Bill Troop 541 - 660 - 9146 5 bolt block (no price) Rob 541 - 377 - 8928 Harland Lippold at Horseheaven Mustang - www.horseheavenmustang.com horseheavn at aol.com or (509) 627 - 8264 Peter From milward at roadrunner.com Thu May 5 18:49:56 2011 From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:49:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes VINs Message-ID: <507E1C05C88D499CA72596F7AA31C0D5@BillPC> http://www.team.net/www/rootes/chassis.html From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu May 5 19:21:39 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 21:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifolds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter The drivers side exhaust manifold casting # for the Tiger is C3DE-9431-A, a stock Ford manifold. The passenger side exhaust manifold for the Tiger is a special casting. These special manifolds were probably first ordered in late 1963. It's not impossible that the full order of manifolds were completed in 6 months so Ford would have a stockpile of parts ready for the full Tiger engine build. I'm guessing here. I know of no documentation to verify the stockpile of this exhaust manifold. 3H27 and 5A21 are date codes Aug 27, 1963 and Jan 21, 1965. The dates are too far apart to be installed on the same engine at Ford. I have no idea if the Falcon and Comet used the same exhaust manifold on both sides but it would be very strange for mirror image manifolds to have the exact same casting numbers. The 1965 manifold for P/S manifold would need to have a cast in heat riser for the carburetor choke hot air tube if it really was a P/S manifold. Generally the D/S manifold has suffix A and the P/S manifold has suffix B. You found some very interesting manifolds. Did you take a picture you can share? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter MacDonald Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:47 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifolds While at the Portland Swap Meet, I saw a set of cast SB Ford exhaust manifolds. The R/H and L/H looked like mirror images and the R/H looked identical to a stock Tiger's. The fellow said he thought they were from a Comet. If these were available, why the different specific Tiger casting?? D/S C3DE - 8(9?)431 - A 3H27 P/S C3DE - 9431 - A 5A21 They were quite rusty and a bit hard to read (yes, I had my glasses on!) so may have messed up on the 8's & 9's. Peter _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3614 - Release Date: 05/05/11 06:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu May 5 19:27:48 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 21:27:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes VINs In-Reply-To: <507E1C05C88D499CA72596F7AA31C0D5@BillPC> Message-ID: Bill Excellent find; the B stands for 1960's models. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:50 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Rootes VINs http://www.team.net/www/rootes/chassis.html _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3614 - Release Date: 05/05/11 06:34:00 From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Thu May 5 20:06:26 2011 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 19:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 5 Bolt 289 Message-ID: <934566.36232.qm@web161415.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Heck, I have one here in my garage ( 5 bolt 289) I will sell for $600. It was a runner that I pulled out myself from a 1964 Galaxie conv......It is bored 030 over as I pulled a head just to see......I also have two 1965 6 bolt 289's for $500. each...Both are Standard Bore.....but I reccoment a rebuild...I am located in Florida and cleaning out the garage as I intend to move....Mike Schreiner From alpdavegre at msn.com Thu May 5 23:30:30 2011 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 23:30:30 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Decoding a Vin Message-ID: I believe the "B" stands for the 1960's. "A" was for the 1950s Rootes vehicles. The rest of the numbers were just chassis numbers to my knowlege. Just the suffix letters meant something about the car. Dave Green 14 Alpines 2 Mk1 Tigers From twotigers at verizon.net Thu May 5 23:37:36 2011 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 22:37:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] charging update Message-ID: <000501cc0baf$b7d34380$2779ca80$@net> Well, I took the generator to a local auto electric shop, and not only was it polarized correctly, it had plenty of output. This was not really surprising- I didn't think a faulty wire or short in the ignition warning light would cause a generator to stop charging or reverse polarity, but the regulator points looked o.k. and nothing in the regulator was welded together, so I'm glad I could eliminate the generator itself. I checked the wiring for the charging system- nothing was harmed by the ignition light experiment. I had an old Filko regulator.always wanted one that said FoMoCo or Motorcraft, so that was the next thing on the list. Rick was out of them, so I headed on down to NPD (thanks for the suggestion, Bill) and got a concours looking regulator. Started up the Tiger and, BINGO- charging restored. Perhaps it was something internal in the old regulator.sure wasn't anything you could point a finger at. I still think it's interesting that there is about a 50/50 split on polarizing the generator. Tony even has one that tells you to touch the field wire to the armature (generator) post to polarize it- and it's a Tiger regulator! I never did get brave enough to try that!! I'll get around to chasing down that ignition light problem another day.during the Winter! Thanks again to all for the many tips and suggestions. Kirk B382000503 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri May 6 07:50:09 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:50:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] charging update In-Reply-To: <000501cc0baf$b7d34380$2779ca80$@net> Message-ID: <15D7AF8206F6408AA35D7F922D87924F@ronpc1> Kirk Glad you sorted out the working part and your on the road again and charging OK. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Smith Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:38 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] charging update Well, I took the generator to a local auto electric shop, and not only was it polarized correctly, it had plenty of output. This was not really surprising- I didn't think a faulty wire or short in the ignition warning light would cause a generator to stop charging or reverse polarity, but the regulator points looked o.k. and nothing in the regulator was welded together, so I'm glad I could eliminate the generator itself. I checked the wiring for the charging system- nothing was harmed by the ignition light experiment. I had an old Filko regulator.always wanted one that said FoMoCo or Motorcraft, so that was the next thing on the list. Rick was out of them, so I headed on down to NPD (thanks for the suggestion, Bill) and got a concours looking regulator. Started up the Tiger and, BINGO- charging restored. Perhaps it was something internal in the old regulator.sure wasn't anything you could point a finger at. I still think it's interesting that there is about a 50/50 split on polarizing the generator. Tony even has one that tells you to touch the field wire to the armature (generator) post to polarize it- and it's a Tiger regulator! I never did get brave enough to try that!! I'll get around to chasing down that ignition light problem another day.during the Winter! Thanks again to all for the many tips and suggestions. Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3617 - Release Date: 05/05/11 06:34:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri May 6 08:04:00 2011 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 07:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] charging update In-Reply-To: <000501cc0baf$b7d34380$2779ca80$@net> Message-ID: <38731.73117.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mine says touch the battery to the armature Kirk as opposed to touching it to the field as some have replied. I hope I didnt miss type that information. Tony --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Kirk Smith wrote: > From: Kirk Smith > Subject: [Tigers] charging update > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 12:37 AM > Well, I took the generator to a local > auto electric shop, and not only was > it polarized correctly, it had plenty of output. This > was not really > surprising- I didn't think a faulty wire or short in the > ignition warning > light would cause a generator to stop charging or reverse > polarity, but the > regulator points looked o.k. and nothing in the regulator > was welded > together, so I'm glad I could eliminate the generator > itself. I checked the > wiring for the charging system- nothing was harmed by the > ignition light > experiment. I had an old Filko regulator.always > wanted one that said FoMoCo > or Motorcraft, so that was the next thing on the > list. Rick was out of > them, so I headed on down to NPD (thanks for the > suggestion, Bill) and got a > concours looking regulator. > > > > Started up the Tiger and, BINGO- charging restored. > Perhaps it was > something internal in the old regulator.sure wasn't > anything you could point > a finger at. > > > > I still think it's interesting that there is about a 50/50 > split on > polarizing the generator. Tony even has one that > tells you to touch the > field wire to the armature (generator) post to polarize it- > and it's a Tiger > regulator! I never did get brave enough to try > that!! > > > > I'll get around to chasing down that ignition light problem > another > day.during the Winter! > > > > Thanks again to all for the many tips and suggestions. > > > > Kirk > > B382000503 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri May 6 08:43:59 2011 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 07:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] charging update In-Reply-To: <000501cc0baf$b7d34380$2779ca80$@net> Message-ID: <906210.31331.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kirk- I found the old email. I wanted to be sure I did not say to touch field to armature. Just out of curosity, did you ask the generator shop what 2 wires to touch to polarize a generator? Im glad you are up and going again. Charging problems are such a pain. Tony Kirk and List > I just found a VR behind my computer desk (yes, Im single > and there are lots > of Beam parts in the living room) NEway, the cover on the > regulator states. > "Before starting engine momentarily connect "BAT" terminal > to "GEN" (which > is marked ARM on the lug but GEN on the cover)to properly > polarize > generator From twotigers at verizon.net Fri May 6 09:33:31 2011 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 08:33:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] charging update In-Reply-To: <906210.31331.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000501cc0baf$b7d34380$2779ca80$@net> <906210.31331.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc0c02$f4ddb460$de991d20$@net> Tony, I was typing too fast- your regulator cover (and email) did say 'touch "BAT" terminal to "GEN" which is marked "ARM" momentarily- that is the method I never got brave enough to try! At the auto/electric shop, I was concentrating on the hook-up and testing process for the generator. It kind of reminded me of Frankenstein- hooking up these jumper wires, spinning dials and watching a meter, a belt driven motor to drive the generator, oh, and let's not forget the sparks- looking at all of that, I forgot to ask him!! -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:44 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Kirk Smith Subject: Re: [Tigers] charging update Kirk- I found the old email. I wanted to be sure I did not say to touch field to armature. Just out of curosity, did you ask the generator shop what 2 wires to touch to polarize a generator? Im glad you are up and going again. Charging problems are such a pain. Tony Kirk and List > I just found a VR behind my computer desk (yes, Im single > and there are lots > of Beam parts in the living room) NEway, the cover on the > regulator states. > "Before starting engine momentarily connect "BAT" terminal > to "GEN" (which > is marked ARM on the lug but GEN on the cover)to properly > polarize > generator From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri May 6 09:52:12 2011 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 08:52:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifolds References: Message-ID: <00CC10C99E324880A9D05ABF2979FF2B@student2> When George Boskoff spoke at the Mammoth United he said something to the effect of, "I kept sending the kid to the dealer (Ford) until we found a manifold (exhaust) that would fit." So, even before the Tiger went into production there was something in the Ford parts bin that was functional. Perhaps these are the manifolds Peter saw. It is only a guess, but with the Tiger having a specific manifold Rootes likely felt a need for an alteration (no matter how minor) to meet a specification. It would be interesting to see the manifolds on the Boskoff/Shelby prototype assuming they are still what George installed. Tom > While at the Portland Swap Meet, I saw a set of cast SB Ford exhaust > manifolds. The R/H and L/H looked like mirror images and the R/H > looked identical to a stock Tiger's. The fellow said he thought they > were from a Comet. If these were available, why the different > specific Tiger casting?? > > D/S C3DE - 8(9?)431 - A 3H27 > > P/S C3DE - 9431 - A 5A21 > > They were quite rusty and a bit hard to read (yes, I had my glasses > on!) so may have messed up on the 8's & 9's. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3614 - Release Date: 05/05/11 > 06:34:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net From milward at roadrunner.com Fri May 6 09:56:08 2011 From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 08:56:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Trivia Message-ID: <59306D868D294B969487012A598DB5C5@BillPC> The January 1967 Tiger Parts List Supplement lists the chassis number for the first Mk. II as B392000001 but as you know they were actually numbered from B382100001. Does Norm mention that anywhere? BillRo From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri May 6 11:06:23 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:06:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifolds In-Reply-To: <00CC10C99E324880A9D05ABF2979FF2B@student2> Message-ID: <04CF343775164462833E45FB8D249AF9@ronpc1> Tom Hard to say on the Shelby prototype; I believe the engine was changed from the 260 to a 289. The same exhaust manifolds could have be used on the 289 but the current owner would need to look to see what is there now. I would guess that the C3DE manifolds could be used on both sides if it can clear the right side motor mount. One consideration you always need to remember is the time frame of the Shelby Tiger, March 1963. I'm not sure how many different style exhaust manifolds Ford produced at that time. The one exhaust manifold has a casting date of 1965 so that manifold is out of the question unless it can be traced back into 1963 which might possible if the C3DE casting number was correct. One of the specifications had to do with the new emission laws in the works in California and the fact that the PCV system stopped the real heavy build up of sludge in the engine. They also needed a heat riser on the right side exhaust manifold for the choke. A large engine order like this; money talks and parts get made to order. A new part would include a heat riser and an exhaust out in the correct positions. Ken Miles used a couple log style Ford exhaust manifolds turned around so the exhaust pipes went forward then down. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 11:52 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust manifolds When George Boskoff spoke at the Mammoth United he said something to the effect of, "I kept sending the kid to the dealer (Ford) until we found a manifold (exhaust) that would fit." So, even before the Tiger went into production there was something in the Ford parts bin that was functional. Perhaps these are the manifolds Peter saw. It is only a guess, but with the Tiger having a specific manifold Rootes likely felt a need for an alteration (no matter how minor) to meet a specification. It would be interesting to see the manifolds on the Boskoff/Shelby prototype assuming they are still what George installed. Tom > While at the Portland Swap Meet, I saw a set of cast SB Ford exhaust > manifolds. The R/H and L/H looked like mirror images and the R/H > looked identical to a stock Tiger's. The fellow said he thought they > were from a Comet. If these were available, why the different specific > Tiger casting?? > > D/S C3DE - 8(9?)431 - A 3H27 > > P/S C3DE - 9431 - A 5A21 > > They were quite rusty and a bit hard to read (yes, I had my glasses > on!) so may have messed up on the 8's & 9's. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3614 - Release Date: > 05/05/11 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3617 - Release Date: 05/06/11 06:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri May 6 11:14:58 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:14:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Trivia In-Reply-To: <59306D868D294B969487012A598DB5C5@BillPC> Message-ID: <9D636BADA8E649FF8DF4285B0B95AFA5@ronpc1> Bill No mention of that in TBON. I would venture a guess that it is a Typo. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 11:56 AM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Trivia The January 1967 Tiger Parts List Supplement lists the chassis number for the first Mk. II as B392000001 but as you know they were actually numbered from B382100001. Does Norm mention that anywhere? BillRo _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3617 - Release Date: 05/06/11 06:34:00 From milward at roadrunner.com Fri May 6 11:23:01 2011 From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 10:23:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger VINs Message-ID: <52DE977F9C9B4F10A5FB1D80F8A9FAC0@BillPC> DrMayf has asked some questions concerning Tiger VINs and here is what I conclude from looking at the numbering system and from an engineering background where, as you design stuff, you have to give it part numbers for manufacturing, planning and spares provisioning. Ron Fraser is right that B means a 1960-and-on model. Early car models had no prefix and A was introduced for the new designs for the 1950 model year. The Tiger is a modified Alpine in an engineering sense (sorry purists) so we need to look at the number sequence of Alpines. Although the Alpine floor pan apparently evolved from the Husky there seems to be no link to Husky VINs. >From the Alpine Parts List 6600992 June 1968 we see chassis numbers commencing with: Series I B9000001 This makes sense; a new model for 1960 (the first Alpine came out in '59) thus B and 9 was assigned to the Alpine model. Series II B9100001 Minor modifications but you can tell the difference with the 1 Series III B9200001 Same thing - Series III has that 2 Series IV B9400001 This is interesting, they skipped over 3 to 4. I bet the factory/dealers were getting confused. "The Mk II is a 1 and the Mk III is a 2 - thats pretty dumb" So now the Mk IV is a 4 - bingo! Next on the list is Series IV Built Up B94100001 Series IV C.K.D B94600001 I am not exactly sure what the difference between a Series IV and a Series IV Built Up means but I suspect it had some thing to do with the build state in which they were exported and they needed to differentiate between them and fully assembled cars. C.K.D means "knocked down" - cars delivered in pieces to be assembled abroad like the African Violets. The third digit was added to differentiate these. Look what is next: B94700001 - A Series 4 Alpine modified into a Mk I Tiger. Series V Alpine B395000001 Built Up B395900001 C.K.D It does not look like we are following the sequence, but we are. We have B950 00001 with a 3 added on front for some reason and the B959 designated the knocked down version, again with the extra 3. Enter the Tiger IA: B382000001. We have the B and the 3 but where did the 82 come from? I would have expected B94800001 or B394800001. The Mk II Tiger followed the IA as a minor mod with B382100001; not withstanding my previous post where at one time it was going to be B392000001. To repeat, this is my interpretation of the available data and not based on information from the people involved. Perhaps Norm or one of the other Gurus would care to pitch in. Bill From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri May 6 12:18:33 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 11:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine/Tiger VINs In-Reply-To: <52DE977F9C9B4F10A5FB1D80F8A9FAC0@BillPC> References: <52DE977F9C9B4F10A5FB1D80F8A9FAC0@BillPC> Message-ID: <4DC43B79.5050507@mayfco.com> Ok, now this is very clear! The only thing which does not seem to have provenance is the use of the B to start the vin. It is Assumed that this meant that it was the 60's decade designation, however, I don't remember seeing that. The 947 seems entirely logical for my car. I am a happy camper now.... many thanks.. wanna try my old husky lawn tractor number now, lol... thanks again! drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 5/6/2011 10:23 AM, Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories wrote: > DrMayf has asked some questions concerning Tiger VINs and here is what I > conclude from looking at the numbering system and from an engineering > background where, as you design stuff, you have to give it part numbers for > manufacturing, planning and spares provisioning. > > Ron Fraser is right that B means a 1960-and-on model. Early car models had no > prefix and A was introduced for the new designs for the 1950 model year. > > The Tiger is a modified Alpine in an engineering sense (sorry purists) so we > need to look at the number sequence of Alpines. Although the Alpine floor pan > apparently evolved from the Husky there seems to be no link to Husky VINs. > > > From the Alpine Parts List 6600992 June 1968 we see chassis numbers commencing > with: > > Series I B9000001 > > This makes sense; a new model for 1960 (the first Alpine came out in '59) > thus B and 9 was assigned to the Alpine model. > > Series II B9100001 > > Minor modifications but you can tell the difference with the 1 > > Series III B9200001 > > Same thing - Series III has that 2 > > Series IV B9400001 > > This is interesting, they skipped over 3 to 4. I bet the factory/dealers were > getting confused. "The Mk II is a 1 and the Mk III is a 2 - thats pretty dumb" > So now the Mk IV is a 4 - bingo! > > Next on the list is Series IV Built Up B94100001 > Series IV C.K.D B94600001 > > I am not exactly sure what the difference between a Series IV and a Series IV > Built Up means but I suspect it had some thing to do with the build state in > which they were exported and they needed to differentiate between them and > fully assembled cars. C.K.D means "knocked down" - cars delivered in pieces to > be assembled abroad like the African Violets. The third digit was added to > differentiate these. > > Look what is next: B94700001 - A Series 4 Alpine modified into a Mk I Tiger. > > Series V Alpine B395000001 Built Up > B395900001 C.K.D > > It does not look like we are following the sequence, but we are. We have B950 > 00001 with a 3 added on front for some reason and the B959 designated the > knocked down version, again with the extra 3. > > Enter the Tiger IA: B382000001. We have the B and the 3 but where did the 82 > come from? I would have expected B94800001 or B394800001. > The Mk II Tiger followed the IA as a minor mod with B382100001; not > withstanding my previous post where at one time it was going to be > B392000001. > > To repeat, this is my interpretation of the available data and not based on > information from the people involved. Perhaps Norm or one of the other Gurus > would care to pitch in. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.com From allanballard at att.net Fri May 6 14:17:04 2011 From: allanballard at att.net (allanballard at att.net) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:17:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe the 5 bolt 289 hipo motors are scarce. I'd think the 260 hipo's are even more scarce. Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Peter MacDonald wrote: > A little while back, some folks were looking for 5 bolt 289's. I made a note of some for sale at Portland. > > 5 bolt HiPo, correct 1965 no's, freshly rebuilt (not used), complete w/stock cast iron 4 bbl manifold, less carb & distributor. Asking $4800, would probably take $4500 (US). > > Also has enough parts to build a no's correct 1966 HiPo. > > Bill Troop 541 - 660 - 9146 > > > 5 bolt block (no price) > > Rob 541 - 377 - 8928 > > > > Harland Lippold at Horseheaven Mustang - www.horseheavenmustang.com > > horseheavn at aol.com or (509) 627 - 8264 > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From spook01 at comcast.net Fri May 6 15:42:07 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (R) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 16:42:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289's Message-ID: Not to mention those 221 hipo s! Best, R b Life is tough. It's even tougher if you' re stupid." -John Wayne allanballard at att.net wrote: >I believe the 5 bolt 289 hipo motors are scarce. I'd think the 260 hipo's are >even more scarce. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On May 5, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Peter MacDonald wrote: > >> A little while back, some folks were looking for 5 bolt 289's. I made a note >of some for sale at Portland. >> >> 5 bolt HiPo, correct 1965 no's, freshly rebuilt (not used), complete w/stock >cast iron 4 bbl manifold, less carb & distributor. Asking $4800, would >probably take $4500 (US). >> >> Also has enough parts to build a no's correct 1966 HiPo. >> >> Bill Troop 541 - 660 - 9146 >> >> >> 5 bolt block (no price) >> >> Rob 541 - 377 - 8928 >> >> >> >> Harland Lippold at Horseheaven Mustang - www.horseheavenmustang.com >> >> horseheavn at aol.com or (509) 627 - 8264 >> >> Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From jeff.holt7 at gmail.com Fri May 6 15:43:47 2011 From: jeff.holt7 at gmail.com (Jeff Holt) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:43:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Oil pan Message-ID: <420647D0-EC4F-463F-9DDE-D51F8F317E21@gmail.com> So I have the engine out - (what a pain to get the tip of the tranny to slide out from above the X frame). What does it take to get this oil Pam off? I pulled all the bolts out but it seems to be holding a bit more than it should if it were just due to a sticky gasket. Do I have to pull off the front plate first? Or the pulley damper? Are pullers standard for fords? I need to get the front panel off too. Thanks to everyone on the list for the support on this project. I got the 7" wide 15" Panasports on the back and will wait for the 6" wide Panasports on the front. They really look hot. Jeff Holt From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri May 6 16:25:58 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:25:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil pan In-Reply-To: <420647D0-EC4F-463F-9DDE-D51F8F317E21@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32FBF42662D04362A1BE8C88ADE9C57F@ronpc1> Jeff Are you sure you got all the bolts out? There are 22 bolts. Is there a gasket or is it RTV? RTV can hold very well. Oil pan needs to come off before the timing cover can come off. If you the original Tiger engine; I would be interested in the casting numbers and date code on the engine for my original Tiger Engine Study. Let me know if you would like to participate and I will send you my list. I will also gladly decipher Ford casting numbers and date codes too. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Holt Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:44 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Oil pan So I have the engine out - (what a pain to get the tip of the tranny to slide out from above the X frame). What does it take to get this oil Pam off? I pulled all the bolts out but it seems to be holding a bit more than it should if it were just due to a sticky gasket. Do I have to pull off the front plate first? Or the pulley damper? Are pullers standard for fords? I need to get the front panel off too. Thanks to everyone on the list for the support on this project. I got the 7" wide 15" Panasports on the back and will wait for the 6" wide Panasports on the front. They really look hot. Jeff Holt _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3619 - Release Date: 05/06/11 06:34:00 From allanballard at att.net Fri May 6 16:47:41 2011 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:47:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil pan In-Reply-To: <32FBF42662D04362A1BE8C88ADE9C57F@ronpc1> References: <32FBF42662D04362A1BE8C88ADE9C57F@ronpc1> Message-ID: If all the bolts are off, hit it with a rubber hammer. Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger SIV Alpine On May 6, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Jeff > Are you sure you got all the bolts out? There are 22 bolts. > Is there a gasket or is it RTV? RTV can hold very well. > > Oil pan needs to come off before the timing cover can come off. > > If you the original Tiger engine; I would be interested in the casting > numbers and date code on the engine for my original Tiger Engine Study. > Let me know if you would like to participate and I will send you my list. I > will also gladly decipher Ford casting numbers and date codes too. > > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jeff Holt > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:44 PM > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] Oil pan > > > So I have the engine out - (what a pain to get the tip of the tranny to > slide out from above the X frame). > > What does it take to get this oil Pam off? I pulled all the bolts out but it > seems to be holding a bit more than it should if it were just due to a > sticky gasket. Do I have to pull off the front plate first? Or the pulley > damper? > > Are pullers standard for fords? I need to get the front panel off too. > > Thanks to everyone on the list for the support on this project. I got the 7" > wide 15" Panasports on the back and will wait for the 6" wide Panasports on > the front. They really look hot. > > Jeff Holt > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3619 - Release Date: 05/06/11 > 06:34:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri May 6 17:09:19 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 16:09:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DC47F9F.2000002@mayfco.com> Hey, yeah! I remember those! But I cannot remember what the bore and stroke was.... anybody know? Stroke same as the 260/289 or? Might be a good time trials motor for the salt... with a big turbo of course... drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 5/6/2011 2:42 PM, R wrote: > Not to mention those 221 hipo s! > Best, > R > > b Life is tough. It's even tougher if you' re stupid." > -John Wayne > > allanballard at att.net wrote: > >> I believe the 5 bolt 289 hipo motors are scarce. I'd think the 260 hipo's are >> even more scarce. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Peter MacDonald wrote: >> >>> A little while back, some folks were looking for 5 bolt 289's. I made a note >> of some for sale at Portland. >>> 5 bolt HiPo, correct 1965 no's, freshly rebuilt (not used), complete w/stock >> cast iron 4 bbl manifold, less carb& distributor. Asking $4800, would >> probably take $4500 (US). >>> Also has enough parts to build a no's correct 1966 HiPo. >>> >>> Bill Troop 541 - 660 - 9146 >>> >>> >>> 5 bolt block (no price) >>> >>> Rob 541 - 377 - 8928 >>> >>> >>> >>> Harland Lippold at Horseheaven Mustang - www.horseheavenmustang.com >>> >>> horseheavn at aol.com or (509) 627 - 8264 >>> >>> Peter From jeff.holt7 at gmail.com Fri May 6 17:40:38 2011 From: jeff.holt7 at gmail.com (Jeff Holt) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:40:38 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Puller Message-ID: <14CE22CA-602F-4C38-8825-1D47807FECFF@gmail.com> Now I need to pull the pulley vibration damper out to get the front cover off. I need to get a "puller," so I went to O'Reilly and they sold me a Harmonic Balancer Puller. They insisted. I'm not sure. The center pivot thing looks like it's pushing from the center as opposed to pushing from the sides. Any thoughts? Maybe online parts stores are where it's at these days. From sganz at pacbell.net Fri May 6 19:04:59 2011 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Puller In-Reply-To: <14CE22CA-602F-4C38-8825-1D47807FECFF@gmail.com> References: <14CE22CA-602F-4C38-8825-1D47807FECFF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <607419.11054.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is what you need, you bolt 3 bolts into the balancer, then with the center scew you tighten it up and it pushes out the balancer. It should look like a think with 3 or 4 slots and a long center bolt. http://www.amazon.com/Silver-Seal-Harmonic-Balancer-Puller/dp/B002YOUTK6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1304730250&sr=8-4 That should be what it looks like. Sandy ________________________________ From: Jeff Holt To: Tiger List Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 4:40:38 PM Subject: [Tigers] Puller Now I need to pull the pulley vibration damper out to get the front cover off. I need to get a "puller," so I went to O'Reilly and they sold me a Harmonic Balancer Puller. They insisted. I'm not sure. The center pivot thing looks like it's pushing from the center as opposed to pushing from the sides. Any thoughts? Maybe online parts stores are where it's at these days. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From rcsphx1 at cox.net Fri May 6 19:29:14 2011 From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:29:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Harrington Tiger Message-ID: <001901cc0c56$334d5a90$99e80fb0$@cox.net> Anyone know where the real Harrington Tiger is and who owns it? From v8tracker at gmail.com Fri May 6 21:14:20 2011 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 22:14:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289's In-Reply-To: <4DC47F9F.2000002@mayfco.com> References: <4DC47F9F.2000002@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <0F0252CE1A0A4766ACFA17380A20FB6C@DellD4700> Dr. Mayf, Same 2.87" stroke with a 3.50" bore. With the same stroke, they used the same crankshaft as the 260 and 289 and had the same deck height. They were all five-bolt blocks. The original heads are said to have "very small ports and closed 43.5cc combustion chambers", but they do use the same size valves as the original 260. I would think that any 260/289 heads would physically bolt on, subject to the valve and combustion chamber sizes not being too big for the bore size. It could be an interesting engine with forced induction. Let us know if you decide to build one. A. C. Tynes New Orleans -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 6:09 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289's Hey, yeah! I remember those! But I cannot remember what the bore and stroke was.... anybody know? Stroke same as the 260/289 or? Might be a good time trials motor for the salt... with a big turbo of course... drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 5/6/2011 2:42 PM, R wrote: > Not to mention those 221 hipo s! > Best, > R > > bLife is tough. It's even tougher if you' re stupid." > -John Wayne > > allanballard at att.net wrote: > >> I believe the 5 bolt 289 hipo motors are scarce. I'd think the 260 hipo's are >> even more scarce. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Peter MacDonald wrote: >> >>> A little while back, some folks were looking for 5 bolt 289's. I made a note >> of some for sale at Portland. >>> 5 bolt HiPo, correct 1965 no's, freshly rebuilt (not used), complete w/stock >> cast iron 4 bbl manifold, less carb& distributor. Asking $4800, would >> probably take $4500 (US). >>> Also has enough parts to build a no's correct 1966 HiPo. >>> >>> Bill Troop 541 - 660 - 9146 >>> >>> >>> 5 bolt block (no price) >>> >>> Rob 541 - 377 - 8928 >>> >>> >>> >>> Harland Lippold at Horseheaven Mustang - www.horseheavenmustang.com >>> >>> horseheavn at aol.com or (509) 627 - 8264 >>> >>> Peter _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3620 - Release Date: 05/06/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3620 - Release Date: 05/06/11 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri May 6 21:37:48 2011 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 13:37:48 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Harrington Tiger In-Reply-To: <001901cc0c56$334d5a90$99e80fb0$@cox.net> References: <001901cc0c56$334d5a90$99e80fb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: IIRC it sold in about 2004-05 to canada. Not heard of it since. On 07/05/2011, Richard wrote: > Anyone know where the real Harrington Tiger is and who owns it? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri May 6 22:10:58 2011 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 00:10:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Puller In-Reply-To: <607419.11054.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <14CE22CA-602F-4C38-8825-1D47807FECFF@gmail.com> <607419.11054.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i have this one from summit: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/OTC-4531/ it was $69 a couple of months ago. it can be used to install too and has high quality bearings in it. don't bother with cheap ones - they don't last and don't work as well. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > That is what you need, you bolt 3 bolts into the balancer, then with the > center > scew you tighten it up and it pushes out the balancer. It should look like > a > think with 3 or 4 slots and a long center bolt. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Silver-Seal-Harmonic-Balancer-Puller/dp/B002YOUTK6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1304730250&sr=8-4 > > > That should be what it looks like. > > Sandy > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jeff Holt > To: Tiger List > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 4:40:38 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Puller > > Now I need to pull the pulley vibration damper out to get the front cover > off. > I need to get a "puller," so I went to O'Reilly and they sold me a Harmonic > Balancer Puller. They insisted. I'm not sure. The center pivot thing looks > like it's pushing from the center as opposed to pushing from the sides. > > Any thoughts? Maybe online parts stores are where it's at these days. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri May 6 23:26:17 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 22:26:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289's In-Reply-To: <0F0252CE1A0A4766ACFA17380A20FB6C@DellD4700> References: <4DC47F9F.2000002@mayfco.com> <0F0252CE1A0A4766ACFA17380A20FB6C@DellD4700> Message-ID: <4DC4D7F9.9060209@mayfco.com> The next motor for the race car will be a true 289. I have purchased a mexican block which is supposed to be stronger, and I have found forged 4340 289 crank, rods and some good pistons. WIll reuse my expensive race parts, i.e., heads, cam, lifters, rockers, etc. Am gooing to try and get a real intake manifold though unless it is too tall. A Profesional Products unit with injector bungs in the right place. The record for that engine size is 222 so maybe I can attack that. If not, then that motor will replace the 260 in my real Tiger for putting around town. Gonna try and get 650 hp out of it. Lots of boost. If Jerry P can do it, maybe I can too! drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 5/6/2011 8:14 PM, A. C. Tynes wrote: > Dr. Mayf, > > Same 2.87" stroke with a 3.50" bore. With the same stroke, they used the same > crankshaft as the 260 and 289 and had the same deck height. They were all > five-bolt blocks. > > The original heads are said to have "very small ports and closed 43.5cc > combustion chambers", but they do use the same size valves as the original 260. > > > I would think that any 260/289 heads would physically bolt on, subject to the > valve and combustion chamber sizes not being too big for the bore size. > > It could be an interesting engine with forced induction. Let us know if you > decide to build one. > > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 6:09 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289's > > Hey, yeah! I remember those! > > But I cannot remember what the bore and stroke was.... anybody know? > Stroke same as the 260/289 or? Might be a good time trials motor for > the salt... with a big turbo of course... > > > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > > On 5/6/2011 2:42 PM, R wrote: >> Not to mention those 221 hipo s! >> Best, >> R >> >> b Life is tough. It's even tougher if you' re stupid." >> -John Wayne >> >> allanballard at att.net wrote: >> >>> I believe the 5 bolt 289 hipo motors are scarce. I'd think the 260 hipo's > are >>> even more scarce. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 5, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Peter MacDonald wrote: >>> >>>> A little while back, some folks were looking for 5 bolt 289's. I made a > note >>> of some for sale at Portland. >>>> 5 bolt HiPo, correct 1965 no's, freshly rebuilt (not used), complete > w/stock >>> cast iron 4 bbl manifold, less carb& distributor. Asking $4800, would >>> probably take $4500 (US). >>>> Also has enough parts to build a no's correct 1966 HiPo. >>>> >>>> Bill Troop 541 - 660 - 9146 >>>> >>>> >>>> 5 bolt block (no price) >>>> >>>> Rob 541 - 377 - 8928 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Harland Lippold at Horseheaven Mustang - www.horseheavenmustang.com >>>> >>>> horseheavn at aol.com or (509) 627 - 8264 >>>> >>>> Peter > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3620 - Release Date: 05/06/11 > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3620 - Release Date: 05/06/11 From jeff.holt7 at gmail.com Fri May 6 23:28:18 2011 From: jeff.holt7 at gmail.com (Jeff Holt) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 23:28:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Pan and puller Message-ID: Thanks to all for weighing in. The puller I bought for like $11 bucks from O'Reilly's worked fine getting the damper out. The front cover then tapped off fine. Then I could see the pan guts and I tapped a razor cutter around the pan gasket seam and got about 80% of it cut, then tapped it off with the rubber-covered mallet. FYI, the engine came out from below. But it was a lot of push-me pull-you with jack's, lifts, stands, hoists, chains, etc. I found it tough to get the tranny forward enough to clear the x-frame. The old engine was not stock, it was an old 221 from a Fairlane (sold to me as a 260 by a guy in the Denver Tiger club that should've known better). Jeff Holt Huntsville, Utah From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Sat May 7 07:47:24 2011 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 09:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tires Message-ID: <003701cc0cbd$4e898790$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> I'll second the motion on Toyos, I have the RA1's on my car -- 205/60r13 on 6" wide wheels, no fit issues, they stick really well, they are competetion compound that is DOT, they won't last 40k miles, more like 10-15K or less depending on your right foot, but other tires that may have greater milage ratings will probably dry rought before they wear out anyway...most of us don't put that many miles per year on the car anyway, and the industry ussually recommends tire rpl't after 5 years reguardless of miles, Clyde From genepadgett at comcast.net Sat May 7 18:48:01 2011 From: genepadgett at comcast.net (genepadgett at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 00:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] rear springs In-Reply-To: <1246566754.234562.1304815670357.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <434593412.234565.1304815681874.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Clyde, some good additional detail there.B Two follow-on questions. Where do you find new stock rate springs for Tigers, and if I find someone that can both rearch and temper my old springs, what sort of data do I give them that will get me back to normal? Thanks for your help and advice! Gene B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: genepadgett at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2011 8:38:47 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear springs o;? Hi,B Rearching was the thingB years ago,B might gain you 20% for a short period of time,B the fact is the spring is fatiqued,B so unless you can retemper the metal as well as rearch it -- it will just return to it's sagging,B no spring condition -- so if you are tierd of bottoming out over every little bump and causing premature wear on your shocksB --B rplace the springs with new ones,B you'll be glad you did,B Clyde ----- Original Message ----- From: genepadgett at comcast.net To: Clyde McLaughlin Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear springs Clyde, that is an interesting perspective. I have heard that true spring steel has not been made and used since the 1950's or so. If true, maybe that is part of the reason they do not last. I also periodically hear about people getting their springs re-arched. Does that qualify as "new" in your opinion? When it comes to re-arching,B I have never seen any information on what are theB specs or what you tell the company that is doing the work.B Do youB or anyone else on the List have that information? Cheers, Gene B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 8:02:58 PM Subject: [Tigers] rear springs If you are dealing with original springs, B ie 40 plus year old, B they are probably junk, B lube and reclamping etc will not put life back in them, B this is true for all old springs, B not just sunbeams, B new springs in an old car can be one of the best improvements you can make to the driveability of the car....Clyde _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett at comcast.net From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat May 7 19:55:27 2011 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 20:55:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] My newly 347 powered Tiger is on the road. In-Reply-To: <434593412.234565.1304815681874.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1246566754.234562.1304815670357.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <434593412.234565.1304815681874.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001cc0d23$01059020$0310b060$@rr.com> Stupid fast...ludicrous power. The Holley 600 double pumper is tuned in and the car idles easily at 700 rpm, allbeit a bit lumpy. The power is amazing with at will tire spin at just about any speed. I have been taking it easy (due to clutch breakin) an may have dipped into the secondaries once in third gear, which produced wheel spin at over 50 mph. Gotta get some new tires and look at wheel choices and more rubber! Buck - you are correct...it is a special club. Thank god I have a rev limiter in my MSD ditro set to 6200! I have to relearn the car's performance envelope. It might just be bigger than my personal comfort envelope....reminds me of flying an Apache. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/Tigers%20Teeth/002-8.jpg 2 1/4" pipe from the collectors back. Cross tube is 2" and is flat on top for tranny clearance. I also had O2 bungs installed in each collector. Duke B382002037 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat May 7 22:00:40 2011 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 14:00:40 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] My newly 347 powered Tiger is on the road. In-Reply-To: <000001cc0d23$01059020$0310b060$@rr.com> References: <1246566754.234562.1304815670357.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <434593412.234565.1304815681874.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000001cc0d23$01059020$0310b060$@rr.com> Message-ID: Duke, Congratulations on getting the tiger back on the road with its new teeth. Take it easy and take your time getting to know that new envelope. I guess after you have done a few miles might be interesting to get the car down to the dyno and do some final tweaking with the motor in the car. Are you still running the stock filter housing with a K&N? Might be worth getting a housing with a drop filter base so you can get a bit more air into the beast. As for dubber.. Dunlop D1 Direzza Star Specs are nice. On 08/05/2011, Samouce's wrote: > Stupid fast...ludicrous power. > > The Holley 600 double pumper is tuned in and the car idles easily at 700 > rpm, allbeit a bit lumpy. > > The power is amazing with at will tire spin at just about any speed. I have > been taking it easy (due to clutch breakin) an may have dipped into the > secondaries once in third gear, which produced wheel spin at over 50 mph. > > Gotta get some new tires and look at wheel choices and more rubber! > > Buck - you are correct...it is a special club. Thank god I have a rev > limiter in my MSD ditro set to 6200! I have to relearn the car's > performance envelope. It might just be bigger than my personal comfort > envelope....reminds me of flying an Apache. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/Tigers%20Teeth/002-8.jpg > 2 1/4" pipe from the collectors back. Cross tube is 2" and is flat on top > for tranny clearance. I also had O2 bungs installed in each collector. > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun May 8 11:44:44 2011 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] My newly 347 powered Tiger is on the road. In-Reply-To: <000001cc0d23$01059020$0310b060$@rr.com> Message-ID: <843336.7500.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NICE, VERY nice Duke. I hate to admit to being envious, so I wont, even tho I am.I just have to have a stroker engine. Maybe I won the lottery last night. Duke I'm running 15" Minilite's but the dollar was worth more than the pound back then. I think Dale has a deal worked out w/ Panasport. I think Jim Morrison was running some 17" wheels but I don't know if the low profile tires have a larger footprint than 15s or Panasport may even have a 16" by now.I also don't know if you can buy directly from Panasport or have to buy them from Dale. Others may know this. The total project was interesting from start to finish. Thanks for all the pics and updates. I'm sure others will benefit from your experiences. Tony From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun May 8 12:17:44 2011 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 14:17:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] My newly 347 powered Tiger is on the road. In-Reply-To: <843336.7500.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <843336.7500.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5EC43F6A-7C60-4DEE-930A-26AA90B255C0@gmail.com> sounds like cheap tires will be important for you :) sometimes I run Toyo r888 - 225 45 16 on panasports. when warm, your ribs will break before traction does :) if you want to stick period look at Dunlop rally tires in 185 70 13. available in 3 compounds - the soft wears very fast on a tiger. they grip very well and the car is FAR more fun on high profile narrower tires. personally I prefer these. they are not cheap though. they do a 195 too but I prefer the 185 as it's more nimble and grips almost as well. On May 8, 2011, at 13:44, Tony Somebody wrote: > NICE, VERY nice Duke. I hate to admit to being envious, so I wont, even tho I am.I just have to have a stroker engine. Maybe I won the lottery last night. Duke I'm running 15" Minilite's but the dollar was worth more than the pound back then. I think Dale has a deal worked out w/ Panasport. I think Jim Morrison was running some 17" wheels but I don't know if the low profile tires have a larger footprint than 15s or Panasport may even have a 16" by now.I also don't know if you can buy directly from Panasport or have to buy them from Dale. Others may know this. The total project was interesting from start to finish. Thanks for all the pics and updates. I'm sure others will benefit from your experiences. > Tony > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From jteepen at usatoday.com Sun May 8 17:42:53 2011 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 19:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] My newly 347 powered Tiger is on the road. In-Reply-To: <843336.7500.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000001cc0d23$01059020$0310b060$@rr.com> <843336.7500.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Regarding the Panasports, if you contact the Panasprot importer he will refer to his authorized dealer: Dale. But that is a good thing. If you order via Dale you can be sure they will be the correct sizes needed to fit a Tiger properly. Plus there are alternatives to Panasports. One of which is www.psvintagewheels.com for a five port kidney bean wheel specially tailored for Sunbeam Tigers (shameless plug). Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:45 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Samouce's Subject: Re: [Tigers] My newly 347 powered Tiger is on the road. NICE, VERY nice Duke. I hate to admit to being envious, so I wont, even tho I am.I just have to have a stroker engine. Maybe I won the lottery last night. Duke I'm running 15" Minilite's but the dollar was worth more than the pound back then. I think Dale has a deal worked out w/ Panasport. I think Jim Morrison was running some 17" wheels but I don't know if the low profile tires have a larger footprint than 15s or Panasport may even have a 16" by now.I also don't know if you can buy directly from Panasport or have to buy them from Dale. Others may know this. The total project was interesting from start to finish. Thanks for all the pics and updates. I'm sure others will benefit from your experiences. Tony From billlawrence at hotmail.com Mon May 9 11:00:49 2011 From: billlawrence at hotmail.com (Bill Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:00:49 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] rear spring improvement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have to agree, a set of fresh rear leaf springs do make a difference in handling, ride and feel. I went with the set offered by Dale A in my 65 stocker and love how the car sits too. If you have any concerns about swapping out the rears yourself, the whole procedure did not take more than a couple hours once you sort out how the whole thing comes apart and goes together (a small amount of machining is required). Bill Lawrence B9473246LRX 1965 Sunbeam Tiger MK?? Arctic white with Red Interior Square door/hood From tym2 at comcast.net Mon May 9 11:55:39 2011 From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] rear spring improvement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1580201291.1183105.1304963739835.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Tigers, Agreed. I went with a set of Dale's rear springs when I restored my Mk1A. The new springs totally cured any wheel-hop along with a much stiffer feel and better stance. Tym McDowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lawrence" To: "sunbeam tiger" Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 1:00:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] rear spring improvement I have to agree, a set of fresh rear leaf springs do make a difference in handling, ride and feel. I went with the set offered by Dale A in my 65 stocker and love how the car sits too. If you have any concerns about swapping out the rears yourself, the whole procedure did not take more than a couple hours once you sort out how the whole thing comes apart and goes together (a small amount of machining is required). Bill Lawrence B9473246LRX 1965 Sunbeam Tiger MK?? Arctic white with Red Interior Square door/hood _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tym2 at comcast.net From CoolVT at aol.com Mon May 9 18:00:07 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] For sale Message-ID: <76717.38dcabf8.3af9da07@aol.com> Okay, here's a $7,000 project for some brave soul. Amazing that many of the good parts are still with the car. _http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used -7087214.html_ (http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used-7087214.html) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon May 9 18:20:46 2011 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:20:46 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] For sale In-Reply-To: <76717.38dcabf8.3af9da07@aol.com> References: <76717.38dcabf8.3af9da07@aol.com> Message-ID: The link didnt work for me, but this should: http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/view-inventory.aspx?_sort=makeasc&_page=15 http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used-7087214.html They have had a few VERY tired tigers for sale there in the last 2 years.. ones that while quite complete are projects for the brave only... wonder where they keep finding them? -- Regards Michael King From bomber44 at comcast.net Mon May 9 21:39:07 2011 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:39:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] For sale In-Reply-To: <76717.38dcabf8.3af9da07@aol.com> References: <76717.38dcabf8.3af9da07@aol.com> Message-ID: wow the swiss cheese I just bought at the grocery store has less holes! That's a lot of work On May 9, 2011, at 5:00 PM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Okay, here's a $7,000 project for some brave soul. Amazing that many of > the good parts are still with the car. > > _http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used > -7087214.html_ > (http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used- 7087214.html) > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bomber44 at comcast.net From CoolVT at aol.com Mon May 9 21:41:56 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] For sale Message-ID: <81b27.63e5fdee.3afa0e04@aol.com> You have to remember that since it's apparently never had any body work done you can be pretty sure that you're getting a real Tiger and not an Alger. That should be worth something:-) In a message dated 5/9/2011 11:39:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bomber44 at comcast.net writes: wow the swiss cheese I just bought at the grocery store has less holes! That's a lot of work On May 9, 2011, at 5:00 PM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Okay, here's a $7,000 project for some brave soul. Amazing that many of > the good parts are still with the car. > > _http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used > -7087214.html_ > (http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used - 7087214.html) > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bomber44 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From spook01 at comcast.net Tue May 10 06:26:33 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (R) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:26:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] For sale Message-ID: <36ww2rgxp2h12vqpqtk9svpl.1305030393030@email.android.com> It apparently has no body left! Best, R b Life is tough. It's even tougher if you' re stupid." -John Wayne CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >You have to remember that since it's apparently never had any body work >done you can be pretty sure that you're getting a real Tiger and not an >Alger. That should be worth something:-) > > >In a message dated 5/9/2011 11:39:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >bomber44 at comcast.net writes: > >wow the swiss cheese I just bought at the grocery store has less holes! >That's >a lot of work > > > > >On May 9, 2011, at 5:00 PM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > >> Okay, here's a $7,000 project for some brave soul. Amazing that many of >> the good parts are still with the car. >> >> >_http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used >> -7087214.html_ >> >(http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/detail-1966-sunbeam-tiger-convertible-used >- >7087214.html) >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bomber44 at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From rande at thecia.net Tue May 10 11:33:06 2011 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:33:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tank color Message-ID: <4dc976d2.16e9.0@thecia.net> Thanks for the tank color(gloss finish). I had my original tanks cleaned, and in the process all of the exterior paint was removed. I just got an NOS RH tank, and it looks matt finish black, but it's about 40 years old. I had the original tanks coated/lined inside four years ago, and the coating is flaking off inside, before any gas goes in them!!!! Has anyone ever been successful by installing uncoated, bare tanks? At this point, I don't know if I trust any coating. From jliny5 at cox.net Tue May 10 11:35:50 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:35:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Element Message-ID: <2E07D74089C146FB8CDFE2E4E3A9223C@JPC> Hello all, Just trying to find the correct Oil Filter element for a stock 260. I went to the NAPA site and entered in a Ford Fairlane w/260 V8 as my vehicle and this is one of several filters it displayed. Part Number: SFI 21515 Product Line: NAPA ProSelect Filters Just checking before I proceed. Any other recommendations would of course be appreciated. Yhanks Jim Lindner From CoolVT at aol.com Tue May 10 11:43:35 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] tank color Message-ID: <8b9a3.660bbf8.3afad347@aol.com> As far as uncoated tanks....years ago owners of Asian motorcycles were complaining that a bike left for a year or so would develop rust in the tank and clog up the carbs upon restart. Supposedly, at that time, the only companies coating their tanks were Harley and BMW. I would think that condensation (moisture) would eventually cause rust in an uncoated Tiger tank. So, uncoated may prevent flaking, but would another problem arise? Mark In a message dated 5/10/2011 1:32:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rande at thecia.net writes: Thanks for the tank color(gloss finish). I had my original tanks cleaned, and in the process all of the exterior paint was removed. I just got an NOS RH tank, and it looks matt finish black, but it's about 40 years old. I had the original tanks coated/lined inside four years ago, and the coating is flaking off inside, before any gas goes in them!!!! Has anyone ever been successful by installing uncoated, bare tanks? At this point, I don't know if I trust any coating. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue May 10 11:53:32 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:53:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Element In-Reply-To: <2E07D74089C146FB8CDFE2E4E3A9223C@JPC> Message-ID: Jim The stock oil filter, the large filter, is the same as any Ford V8 engine. The mid size filter some us use is same as an Escort. The short filter I'm not sure about that one. I used them for a very short time before going to the right angle filter set up. C1AZ-6731-A is the # listed in the Parts List - Fram equivalent I think is PH8A. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Lindner Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:36 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Element Hello all, Just trying to find the correct Oil Filter element for a stock 260. I went to the NAPA site and entered in a Ford Fairlane w/260 V8 as my vehicle and this is one of several filters it displayed. Part Number: SFI 21515 Product Line: NAPA ProSelect Filters Just checking before I proceed. Any other recommendations would of course be appreciated. Yhanks Jim Lindner _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3626 - Release Date: 05/10/11 06:35:00 From baumerbarncobob at aol.com Tue May 10 12:13:27 2011 From: baumerbarncobob at aol.com (baumerbarncobob at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 14:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] oil filter Message-ID: <8CDDD5518389238-17A4-972E@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com> WIX makes NAPA filters. the correct filter is NAPA 1515 or Wix 51515. same filter different color. Excellent filter. From awtiger at cox.net Tue May 10 12:22:40 2011 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 14:22:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Element In-Reply-To: <2E07D74089C146FB8CDFE2E4E3A9223C@JPC> Message-ID: <20110510142240.FEOMS.357093.imail@eastrmwml29> Motorcraft FL1A - available at any parts store that carries Motorcraft (which is pretty much all the big chains). Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- James Lindner wrote: > Hello all, > > Just trying to find the correct Oil Filter element for a stock 260. I went to > the NAPA site and entered in a Ford Fairlane w/260 V8 as my vehicle and this > is one of several filters it displayed. > > > Part Number: SFI 21515 > Product Line: NAPA ProSelect Filters > > Just checking before I proceed. Any other recommendations would of course be > appreciated. > > Yhanks > > Jim Lindner > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From jliny5 at cox.net Tue May 10 13:13:17 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:13:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Element In-Reply-To: <2E07D74089C146FB8CDFE2E4E3A9223C@JPC> References: <2E07D74089C146FB8CDFE2E4E3A9223C@JPC> Message-ID: Thanks to all...from the selection provided should not be much trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Lindner" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:35 PM Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Element > Hello all, > > Just trying to find the correct Oil Filter element for a stock 260. I went > to > the NAPA site and entered in a Ford Fairlane w/260 V8 as my vehicle and > this > is one of several filters it displayed. > > > Part Number: SFI 21515 > Product Line: NAPA ProSelect Filters > > Just checking before I proceed. Any other recommendations would of course > be > appreciated. > > Yhanks > > Jim Lindner > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue May 10 14:13:06 2011 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (atwittsend at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] tank color Message-ID: <1001390295.3810530.1305058386586.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> /bTEAbG: Permission denied From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com Tue May 10 14:48:17 2011 From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tank color References: <4dc976d2.16e9.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <9916BA66FAD94E82961EB396415F7210@yourze8cxvr8tt> i've heard some say that scott woerth never coated the tanks. anyone else ever heard this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:33 PM Subject: [Tigers] tank color > Thanks for the tank color(gloss finish). I had my original tanks cleaned, > and > in the process all of the exterior paint was removed. I just got an NOS RH > tank, > and it looks matt finish black, but it's about 40 years old. > > I had the original tanks coated/lined inside four years ago, and the > coating > is flaking off inside, before any gas goes in them!!!! > > Has anyone ever been successful by installing uncoated, bare tanks? At > this > point, I don't know if I trust any coating. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From jliny5 at cox.net Tue May 10 18:28:40 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 20:28:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Steel Wheels Message-ID: <95111BC6382A4E29A9FC2A850AE6F463@JPC> Hi, A question about the original stock steel wheels. The steel wheels on my Tiger are all date coded with a "65". Since my Tiger was produced in June 64, these can not be the original wheels...unless the 65 stands for something other than the year. Were the original steel wheels date coded? Has anybody seen 64 coded wheels? If so, Anybody know of any for sale/trade? Thx, Jim Lindner From jliny5 at cox.net Wed May 11 07:02:26 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:02:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Steel Wheels In-Reply-To: <95111BC6382A4E29A9FC2A850AE6F463@JPC> References: <95111BC6382A4E29A9FC2A850AE6F463@JPC> Message-ID: As a follow on question...Is it possible that the wheels were coded for the "model year?" Although produced in June 64 my Tiger is considered a 65...which would make the wheels correct. Thoughts? Thanks, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Lindner" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:28 PM Subject: [Tigers] Original Steel Wheels > Hi, > > A question about the original stock steel wheels. > > The steel wheels on my Tiger are all date coded with a "65". Since my > Tiger > was produced in June 64, these can not be the original wheels...unless the > 65 > stands for something other than the year. > > Were the original steel wheels date coded? Has anybody seen 64 coded > wheels? > If so, Anybody know of any for sale/trade? > > Thx, > > Jim Lindner > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed May 11 07:19:22 2011 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Original Steel Wheels In-Reply-To: <95111BC6382A4E29A9FC2A850AE6F463@JPC> Message-ID: <2111045778.502949.1305119962417.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Jim, Yes, wheels have a date code. B9470622 still has its original wheels (not on the car) and they are date coded 64. Don't want to sell them but don't want to use them either, SS repo LAT-70s look sooo much better. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: James Lindner To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 00:28:40 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Original Steel Wheels Hi, A question about the original stock steel wheels. The steel wheels on my Tiger are all date coded with a "65". Since my Tiger was produced in June 64, these can not be the original wheels...unless the 65 stands for something other than the year. Were the original steel wheels date coded? Has anybody seen 64 coded wheels? If so, Anybody know of any for sale/trade? Thx, Jim Lindner From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Wed May 11 12:49:19 2011 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Set Up Message-ID: <549444.57045.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All I think I have settled on 40 Series Delta Flow 409S mufflers with 2.25" IN/Out inlets (Could not find the Stainless in 2") and SS headers which I believe are 1-5/8" in size. Advice received to date is to place a cross over tube behind the collectors. Engine is 289 HiPo with toploader. My questions are: How far behind the collectors to put the cross over tube - does not look like much room here in front of the X frame or should we put it behind the X frame? 2. What diameter pipe should the crossover tube be? 3. Which inlet/outlet of the mufflers do I need? Left, right or center in? Left, right or center out? Thanks in advance for the information. Joel Martin 1966 Mk1A From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed May 11 12:55:35 2011 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Date Coded Wheels Message-ID: <358810.29514.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Tiger is B9471120 (build date Oct 1964) and the original wheels are stamped "64". Looks like someone swapped the wheels on your car in the dim past. The engine that came with my car is a Ford 260 but was assembled in Jan-65. Sometime in my car's history the engine was replaced based on the date code. The guy I bought the car from said it had the original motor which was not the case. Jeff From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed May 11 13:03:44 2011 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:03:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Set Up In-Reply-To: <549444.57045.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <549444.57045.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: be aware that the crossover pipe will change the sound. you may or may not like it.... try and listen to some examples. On May 11, 2011, at 14:49, Joel Martin wrote: > Hello All > > I think I have settled on 40 Series Delta Flow 409S mufflers with > 2.25" IN/Out > inlets (Could not find the Stainless in 2") and SS headers which > I believe are > 1-5/8" in size. Advice received to date is to place a cross > over tube behind > the collectors. Engine is 289 HiPo with toploader. > > My > questions are: How far behind the collectors to put the cross over tube - > does not look like much room here in front of the X frame or should we put it > behind the X frame? 2. What diameter pipe should the crossover tube be? 3. > Which inlet/outlet of the mufflers do I need? Left, right or center in? > Left, > right or center out? > > Thanks in advance for the information. > > Joel > Martin > 1966 Mk1A > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From tcprager at hotmail.com Wed May 11 13:37:01 2011 From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:37:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Set Up In-Reply-To: <549444.57045.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <549444.57045.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My Tiger has a 289 with crossover pipe, 2 1/4" exhaust and Spintech mufflers. To hear it run... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cml27MdHQOg&playnext=1&list=PL9D652B8D8E750AB3 tom 9472154 ----- Original Message ----- From: Owain Lloyd To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust Set Up be aware that the crossover pipe will change the sound. you may or may not like it.... try and listen to some examples. On May 11, 2011, at 14:49, Joel Martin > wrote: > Hello All > > I think I have settled on 40 Series Delta Flow 409S mufflers with > 2.25" IN/Out > inlets (Could not find the Stainless in 2") and SS headers which > I believe are > 1-5/8" in size. Advice received to date is to place a cross > over tube behind > the collectors. Engine is 289 HiPo with toploader. > > My > questions are: How far behind the collectors to put the cross over tube - > does not look like much room here in front of the X frame or should we put it > behind the X frame? 2. What diameter pipe should the crossover tube be? 3. > Which inlet/outlet of the mufflers do I need? Left, right or center in? > Left, > right or center out? > > Thanks in advance for the information. > > Joel > Martin > 1966 Mk1A > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager at hotmail.com From marden at mistral.co.uk Wed May 11 16:23:13 2011 From: marden at mistral.co.uk (marden at mistral.co.uk) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:23:13 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale Message-ID: <57314.1305152593@mistral.co.uk> I just thought I would bring to your attention 2 interesting tigers for sale in the UK. http://www.sussexsportscars.co.uk/classic_car/1208/1965_sunbeam_tiger_260_v8 / [1] http://www.orchardclassics.co.uk/tigermk2.html [2] ------------------------- Message sent via Kcom WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.sussexsportscars.co.uk/classic_car/1208/1965_sunbeam_tiger_260_v8/ [2] http://www.orchardclassics.co.uk/tigermk2.html From jrv309 at charter.net Wed May 11 16:34:26 2011 From: jrv309 at charter.net (jrv309 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:34:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Sports Car Shop Newsletter Message-ID: <6B30DF3606C146F7A1CFC87B5590A5F1@NewDell> Sports Car Shop B; Inventory From: Jay & Vicki VanderPool Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:49 PM To: jrv309 at charter.net Subject: FW: Sports Car Shop Newsletter This is for your viewing pleasure. Observe the tiger and the 3 carb healey.you can sign up for the newsletter and periodically you will get the letter in your E-mail . Little Jay. From: noreply+feedproxy at google.com [mailto:noreply+feedproxy at google.com] On Behalf Of Sports Car Shop B; Inventory Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:46 AM To: vansvilla at hughes.net Subject: Sports Car Shop Newsletter Sports Car Shop Newsletter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- a.. 1966 Sunbeam Tiger b.. 1971 Volvo P1800 c.. 2004 Mini cooper S d.. 1967 Jaguar E-Type 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Posted: 10 May 2011 12:05 PM PDT Sports Car Shop is happy to present this recently restored Sunbeam Tiger for sale. This car is one of the more well preserved cars webve seen and still retains itbs original 289ci Ford V8. It has been upgraded with authentic Minilite alloy wheels and Flowmaster exhaust. The red paint is brilliant and coupled with the bark of the exhaust makes itbs presence well known. This car is complete with both the professionally restored hardtop and brand new soft top with built in boot cover. This car needs nothing and is ready for weekend cruising. Contact me directly on my cell phone to discuss in additional detail. Thanks, Bob. 541-543-6791 1971 Volvo P1800 Posted: 10 May 2011 11:52 AM PDT Sports Car Shop is pleased to offer this largely original 1971 Volvo P1800. The odometer currently reads 137,593 miles, which we believe to be accurate. This car has had a complete engine rebuild, has been recently tuned by our technicians, and is ready to go another 150,000 miles. This car has lived the majority of itbs life on the west coast and as such does not show any major rust or repair damage. The paint is showing signs of aging with some spiderwebing and a quarter sized chip on the passenger side, but from 5 feet the car looks better than most youbll see. The interior is well preserved and the seats are crack free. The car is fitted with air conditioning and an Alpine head unit. Contact me directly on my cell phone to discuss. Thanks, Bob. 541-543-6791 2004 Mini cooper S Posted: 10 May 2011 09:14 AM PDT Sports Car Shop is pleased to offer this sharp 200X Mini Cooper S. These little cars are a blast to drive and this one is in great condition with just 85,524 miles. It has a snappy supercharged engine and 6 speed gearbox. This car has leather seats and a fantastic panoramic sunroof that covers front and rear passengers. The alloy wheels are in great shape and the tires are recent. This car needs nothing is ready for your summer road trip or daily commute. 1967 Jaguar E-Type Posted: 09 May 2011 12:06 PM PDT We are now offering this desirable Jaguar XKE Coupe which shows only 70,974 miles. This is the last year of the series 1 cars and it is numbers matching. It has a seized motor but is a largely complete and is ready for restoration. As you can see in the images, the leather seats are in surprisingly good condition and the headliner is free of rips and major blemishes. Panels are in good shape and while some surface rust is evident, there is no major structural damage. Chrome is largely intact and glass is also complete. We can offer assistance in obtaining a new motor and installation through our service department, and can even handle a complete restoration on behalf of the buyer if interested. Contact me directly on my cell phone to discuss further details. Thanks, Bob. 541-543-6791 You are subscribed to email updates from Sports Car Shop B; Inventory To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now. Email delivery powered by Google Google Inc., 20 West Kinzie, Chicago IL USA 60610 From CoolVT at aol.com Wed May 11 17:30:13 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale Message-ID: <2eb7e8.13a77c95.3afc7604@aol.com> Thanks, nice looking cars. Two questions for the general population.....the red car appears to be a MKlA. Did all lA's come with the Chrysler pentastar? If so, did the English versions also get them? I didn't notice one on this car. In a message dated 5/11/2011 6:44:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marden at mistral.co.uk writes: http://www.orchardclassics.co.uk/tigermk2.html [2] From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed May 11 21:09:57 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:09:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale In-Reply-To: <2eb7e8.13a77c95.3afc7604@aol.com> Message-ID: <8D4F27A276344AFE9B5E387F140FB120@ronpc1> Not all MK 1A's came with the Pentastar. TBON put the Pentastar at B382000901. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:30 PM To: marden at mistral.co.uk; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale Thanks, nice looking cars. Two questions for the general population.....the red car appears to be a MKlA. Did all lA's come with the Chrysler pentastar? If so, did the English versions also get them? I didn't notice one on this car. In a message dated 5/11/2011 6:44:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marden at mistral.co.uk writes: http://www.orchardclassics.co.uk/tigermk2.html [2] _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3630 - Release Date: 05/11/11 06:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed May 11 21:14:16 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:14:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Date Coded Wheels In-Reply-To: <358810.29514.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42EC9763DF704D1E8918CEDB9887CAF7@ronpc1> Jeff Do the rest of the part casting date codes correspond with the 1/65 assembly date or is this a short block with a build up from the original engine? A 1/65 would have the later style distributor; and early distributor has the oil port. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:56 PM To: jliny5 at cox.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Date Coded Wheels My Tiger is B9471120 (build date Oct 1964) and the original wheels are stamped "64". Looks like someone swapped the wheels on your car in the dim past. The engine that came with my car is a Ford 260 but was assembled in Jan-65. Sometime in my car's history the engine was replaced based on the date code. The guy I bought the car from said it had the original motor which was not the case. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3630 - Release Date: 05/11/11 06:34:00 From CoolVT at aol.com Wed May 11 21:19:42 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale Message-ID: <2f645c.505c529a.3afcabce@aol.com> Ron, Do you know if the English cars got them? I thought they were put on by the Chrysler dealers in the US. Therefore you wouldn't think that the cars that never reached our shores would have missed out. M In a message dated 5/11/2011 11:10:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: Not all MK 1A's came with the Pentastar. TBON put the Pentastar at B382000901. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:30 PM To: marden at mistral.co.uk; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale Thanks, nice looking cars. Two questions for the general population.....the red car appears to be a MKlA. Did all lA's come with the Chrysler pentastar? If so, did the English versions also get them? I didn't notice one on this car. In a message dated 5/11/2011 6:44:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marden at mistral.co.uk writes: http://www.orchardclassics.co.uk/tigermk2.html [2] _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3630 - Release Date: 05/11/11 06:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed May 11 21:55:53 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale In-Reply-To: <2f645c.505c529a.3afcabce@aol.com> Message-ID: M I don't know. I don't see the Pentastar listed in the Parts List but I'm not sure where it would be listed. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:20 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; marden at mistral.co.uk; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale Ron, Do you know if the English cars got them? I thought they were put on by the Chrysler dealers in the US. Therefore you wouldn't think that the cars that never reached our shores would have missed out. M In a message dated 5/11/2011 11:10:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: Not all MK 1A's came with the Pentastar. TBON put the Pentastar at B382000901. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:30 PM To: marden at mistral.co.uk; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale Thanks, nice looking cars. Two questions for the general population.....the red car appears to be a MKlA. Did all lA's come with the Chrysler pentastar? If so, did the English versions also get them? I didn't notice one on this car. In a message dated 5/11/2011 6:44:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marden at mistral.co.uk writes: http://www.orchardclassics.co.uk/tigermk2.html [2] _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3630 - Release Date: 05/11/11 06:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3630 - Release Date: 05/11/11 06:34:00 From rande at thecia.net Thu May 12 06:38:09 2011 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:38:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] wheels and getting back... Message-ID: <4dcbd4b1.e48.0@thecia.net> Buck T., Peter M., Stu B. et al, I'm out off office, promise to get back to you tonight. For the others. I found an assortment of wheels on my car, and will report tonight. rb From wwwdg at webtv.net Thu May 12 09:28:04 2011 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:28:04 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale/ Pentastar Message-ID: The Tiger parts list shows the Pentastar (2239866) on page XF1, with no notation. The Alpine parts list (page X2, 5th issue) states "USA and Canada only". David Franchi From CoolVT at aol.com Thu May 12 10:11:06 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale/ Pentastar Message-ID: <91056.6fd14d0.3afd609a@aol.com> So, there must have been Chrysler dealers in Canada? Sounds like the dealers installed these and not the factory? When Chrysler took over were cars still sold through independent dealers or only Chrysler dealers? In a message dated 5/12/2011 11:28:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wwwdg at webtv.net writes: The Tiger parts list shows the Pentastar (2239866) on page XF1, with no notation. The Alpine parts list (page X2, 5th issue) states "USA and Canada only". David Franchi From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu May 12 10:35:10 2011 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:35:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale/ Pentastar In-Reply-To: <91056.6fd14d0.3afd609a@aol.com> References: <91056.6fd14d0.3afd609a@aol.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E3169E9A@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Sadly, Canada only has Skidoo dealers... ;) IIRC, Tim Ronak had the original documentation from when his Tiger was originally sold through a local Chrysler dealer (in Calgary). His was an early-ish Mk1A. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com > Sent: May 12, 2011 10:11 AM > To: wwwdg at webtv.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com > Cc: marden at mistral.co.uk; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale/ Pentastar > > So, there must have been Chrysler dealers in Canada? Sounds like the > dealers installed these and not the factory? > When Chrysler took over were cars still sold through independent > dealers > or only Chrysler dealers? > > > In a message dated 5/12/2011 11:28:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wwwdg at webtv.net writes: > > The Tiger parts list shows the Pentastar (2239866) on page XF1, with > no > notation. The Alpine parts list (page X2, 5th issue) states "USA and > Canada only". > > David Franchi > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu May 12 10:41:44 2011 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:41:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine front crossmember Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E3169EA2@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Hi all, Anyone in the Calgary area (that would be anyplace between Edmonton and the US border, I guess) have a decent Alpine crossmember available? In the short term my steering system upgrade will probably go onto my existing crossmember just so I can drive the car this summer but the longterm solution is to build a new crossmember from something that doesn't have a bazillion stress cracks. I only really need the crossmember but I'd take control arms etc. as well if that was part of the package. Thanks, Theo ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From robin02 at mindspring.com Thu May 12 10:41:48 2011 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Set Up In-Reply-To: <549444.57045.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <549444.57045.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <885F00D611924A84807E889410AC2359@owner9967ddf8c> Joel, the shop I used said the best place for any cross-over tube is 17" back from the heads so that back pressure is reduced ahead of the next exhaust stroke. I used equal length headers and the spot for the cross over worked out just behind the collector. I used 1 1/4 stainless pipe and bought SS flanges from Aircraft Spruce and Specialties for Continental Engines (four flanges and two gaskets). The shop was happy that I had these when I delivered the car for exhaust fabrication. Robin Young My questions are: How far behind the collectors to put the cross over tube - does not look like much room here in front of the X frame or should we put it behind the X frame From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu May 12 12:38:34 2011 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:38:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine front crossmember References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E3169EA2@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <09230C40F33446109E5367C2DA8DB0D3@student2> Theo, There was a guy I've seen at the Knott's Ford show with an Alpine V-8 conversion. It was not made to "fake" a Tiger, but rather a distinctive V-8 alpine. He used a Volvo crossmember. It looks very similar to the crossmember in the Tiger. Having owned a Volvo 544 myself I can attest to the similarity. I can't remember what model he got it out of, but I'm thinking the 200 series Volvo's. In talking with him I recall him stating that the geometry was better and a significant brake upgrade as well. He seemed very happy with it. Other than the car was white and the guy looked late 50's/early 60's I don't recall much more about him. Maybe someone on the list knows who he is. Anyway, I thought I'd throw that out there as an option. Likely Volvo parts are easier to find than Sunbeam, - especially as you get closer to the arctic circle. :-) Tom Witt ----- Original Message ----- > Hi all, > Anyone in the Calgary area (that would be anyplace between Edmonton and > the US > border, I guess) have a decent Alpine crossmember available? In the short > term > my steering system upgrade will probably go onto my existing crossmember > just > so I can drive the car this summer but the longterm solution is to build a > new > crossmember from something that doesn't have a bazillion stress cracks. I > only > really need the crossmember but I'd take control arms etc. as well if that > was > part of the package. From jliny5 at cox.net Thu May 12 12:54:01 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:54:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Stalling at idle Message-ID: Hello All, Yesterday after a short 20 minute drive I noticed some coolant on the garage floor from the expansion tank so I checked the temp with a laser thermometer. It measured 214 on the manifold near the temp sender and thermostat. I did some tweaking (a thanks to Tom Parker) which included tightening all hose clamps and tightening the fan belt. For background, my 260 has the the LAT 1 Induction system and the LAT 20 perfromance cam. I have a stock radiator, horn hole covers and a 6-blade fan. Today, to check on my tweaks I took it for a longer ride, almost one hour. It included highway and traffic, in fact I got caught at a RR crossing for 5 minutes. When I got home I noticed the engine was running a bit rough at lower RPMs. I let it idle in the garage but it stalled after about a minute. I started it up again (a couple of tries--usually turns over first time). I let it idle but again it stalled. Did it again, this time I increased RPMs to see if it was getting fuel...revved up fine. Brought it back down to idle and it stalled again after a bit. I checked the temp readings again with laser thermometer: 214 at Temp sendr, 208 @ thermostat, 214 @ radiator, and 198 @ expansion tank. No fluid on floor from expansion tank. Sorry for the long-winded explanation...here is my question. Is this heat related or do you think it is something with the carburator. I lowerd the idle last fall because I thought it was idling too fast...now after operating for a while it stalls. OBTW...it was a beautiful drive and the car ran fine. Thanks Jim Lindner From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu May 12 13:10:59 2011 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:10:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pentastar Message-ID: <4DCC30C3.3090802@roadrunner.com> Mark: I bought my Tiger in Oct '66 from an independent dealer in NY state, so Chrysler dealers were not the only source. My MkIA (B382002384LRXFE) had a pentastar on it that I have since removed. It was, ironically, the only Mopar part on the car, I believe. Tod From CoolVT at aol.com Thu May 12 13:41:02 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Stalling at idle Message-ID: A quick thing to check that happened to me was a leak in the PVC line. If it's sucking air it won't close the pvc valve at idle as it should and the car will run too lean and stall. Or if the pvc valve is gummed up and stuck it might display the same symptoms. When you shake the valve you should be able to hear the ball roll around inside. Oh, and since you lowered the idle last year, make sure the idle screw is actually touching and holding the throttle open a smidgen. At 214 degrees it's hard to believe it's heat related, but I'm sure other will follow with more items to check. In a message dated 5/12/2011 3:16:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jliny5 at cox.net writes: Hello All, Yesterday after a short 20 minute drive I noticed some coolant on the garage floor from the expansion tank so I checked the temp with a laser thermometer. It measured 214 on the manifold near the temp sender and thermostat. I did some tweaking (a thanks to Tom Parker) which included tightening all hose clamps and tightening the fan belt. For background, my 260 has the the LAT 1 Induction system and the LAT 20 perfromance cam. I have a stock radiator, horn hole covers and a 6-blade fan. Today, to check on my tweaks I took it for a longer ride, almost one hour. It included highway and traffic, in fact I got caught at a RR crossing for 5 minutes. When I got home I noticed the engine was running a bit rough at lower RPMs. I let it idle in the garage but it stalled after about a minute. I started it up again (a couple of tries--usually turns over first time). I let it idle but again it stalled. Did it again, this time I increased RPMs to see if it was getting fuel...revved up fine. Brought it back down to idle and it stalled again after a bit. I checked the temp readings again with laser thermometer: 214 at Temp sendr, 208 @ thermostat, 214 @ radiator, and 198 @ expansion tank. No fluid on floor from expansion tank. Sorry for the long-winded explanation...here is my question. Is this heat related or do you think it is something with the carburator. I lowerd the idle last fall because I thought it was idling too fast...now after operating for a while it stalls. OBTW...it was a beautiful drive and the car ran fine. Thanks Jim Lindner _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From twotigers at verizon.net Thu May 12 13:50:07 2011 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:50:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine front crossmember In-Reply-To: <09230C40F33446109E5367C2DA8DB0D3@student2> References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E3169EA2@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <09230C40F33446109E5367C2DA8DB0D3@student2> Message-ID: <000001cc10dd$cbcf5080$636df180$@net> I remember looking at an Alpine V-8 in the late 80's that had a Volvo crossmember and 4 wheel disc brakes...as I recall, the front track was a little wider than a stock Tiger, but that was the only drawback I can remember. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:39 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine front crossmember Theo, There was a guy I've seen at the Knott's Ford show with an Alpine V-8 conversion. It was not made to "fake" a Tiger, but rather a distinctive V-8 alpine. He used a Volvo crossmember. It looks very similar to the crossmember in the Tiger. Having owned a Volvo 544 myself I can attest to the similarity. I can't remember what model he got it out of, but I'm thinking the 200 series Volvo's. In talking with him I recall him stating that the geometry was better and a significant brake upgrade as well. He seemed very happy with it. Other than the car was white and the guy looked late 50's/early 60's I don't recall much more about him. Maybe someone on the list knows who he is. Anyway, I thought I'd throw that out there as an option. Likely Volvo parts are easier to find than Sunbeam, - especially as you get closer to the arctic circle. :-) Tom Witt ----- Original Message ----- > Hi all, > Anyone in the Calgary area (that would be anyplace between Edmonton and > the US > border, I guess) have a decent Alpine crossmember available? In the short > term > my steering system upgrade will probably go onto my existing crossmember > just > so I can drive the car this summer but the longterm solution is to build a > new > crossmember from something that doesn't have a bazillion stress cracks. I > only > really need the crossmember but I'd take control arms etc. as well if that > was > part of the package. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers at verizon.net From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu May 12 13:59:33 2011 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Stalling at idle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <500795.40039.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim- it could be one of several things, maybe even the filter starting to get plugged but check for a vaccum leak first. Something simple and easy as the servo hose or the vaccum advance on the dizzy(if your car is so equipped) may have a crack in an old hose and be sure the carb nuts are tight.It could be from the carb(the idle circuit) to any ignition item but start with the simple things. I, personally dont think it is heat related unless the rings are shot and Im sure you would be seeing blue smoke if that was the case. Tony --- On Thu, 5/12/11, James Lindner wrote: > From: James Lindner > Subject: [Tigers] Stalling at idle > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 1:54 PM > Hello All, > > Yesterday after a short 20 minute drive I noticed some > coolant on the garage > floor from the expansion tank so I checked the temp with a > laser thermometer. > It measured 214 on the manifold near the temp sender and > thermostat. I did > some tweaking (a thanks to Tom Parker) which included > tightening all hose > clamps and tightening the fan belt. For background, my 260 > has the the LAT 1 > Induction system and the LAT 20 perfromance cam. I have a > stock radiator, horn > hole covers and a 6-blade fan. > > Today, to check on my tweaks I took it for a longer ride, > almost one hour. It > included highway and traffic, in fact I got caught at a RR > crossing for 5 > minutes. When I got home I noticed the engine was running a > bit rough at lower > RPMs. I let it idle in the garage but it stalled after > about a minute. I > started it up again (a couple of tries--usually turns over > first time). I let > it idle but again it stalled. Did it again, this time I > increased RPMs to see > if it was getting fuel...revved up fine. Brought it back > down to idle and it > stalled again after a bit. > > I checked the temp readings again with laser thermometer: > 214 at Temp sendr, > 208 @ thermostat, 214 @ radiator, and 198 @ expansion tank. > No fluid on floor > from expansion tank. > > Sorry for the long-winded explanation...here is my > question. > > Is this heat related or do you think it is something with > the carburator. I > lowerd the idle last fall because I thought it was idling > too fast...now after > operating for a while it stalls. > > OBTW...it was a beautiful drive and the car ran fine. > > Thanks > > Jim Lindner > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu May 12 14:34:16 2011 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:34:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine front crossmember In-Reply-To: <000001cc10dd$cbcf5080$636df180$@net> References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E3169EA2@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <09230C40F33446109E5367C2DA8DB0D3@student2> <000001cc10dd$cbcf5080$636df180$@net> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E3169F62@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Hi Kirk and Tom, My not-so-distant second choice on the whole thing is to just get some tubing and make my own crossmember... it would be a bunch of work, but not much more than what I'm already looking at, and I'd rather make something that fits in the first place as opposed to modifying some other crossmember. I haven't been to the local autowreckers in probably a decade, but I don't recall seeing any 200 series Volvos in the decade before that. I have, however, previously used their four-piston calipers and proportioning valve gear when I was roadracing on a budget. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Smith > Sent: May 12, 2011 1:50 PM > To: 'Thomas Witt'; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine front crossmember > > I remember looking at an Alpine V-8 in the late 80's that had a Volvo > crossmember and 4 wheel disc brakes...as I recall, the front track was > a > little wider than a stock Tiger, but that was the only drawback I can > remember. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:39 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine front crossmember > > Theo, > There was a guy I've seen at the Knott's Ford show with an Alpine V-8 > conversion. It was not made to "fake" a Tiger, but rather a > distinctive V-8 > > alpine. He used a Volvo crossmember. It looks very similar to the > crossmember in the Tiger. Having owned a Volvo 544 myself I can attest > to > the similarity. I can't remember what model he got it out of, but I'm > thinking the 200 series Volvo's. In talking with him I recall him > stating > that the geometry was better and a significant brake upgrade as well. > He > seemed very happy with it. > > Other than the car was white and the guy looked late 50's/early 60's I > don't recall much more about him. Maybe someone on the list knows who > he > is. Anyway, I thought I'd throw that out there as an option. Likely > Volvo > parts are easier to find than Sunbeam, - especially as you get closer > to the > > arctic circle. :-) > > Tom Witt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Hi all, > > Anyone in the Calgary area (that would be anyplace between Edmonton > and > > the US > > border, I guess) have a decent Alpine crossmember available? In the > short > > term > > my steering system upgrade will probably go onto my existing > crossmember > > just > > so I can drive the car this summer but the longterm solution is to > build a > > > new > > crossmember from something that doesn't have a bazillion stress > cracks. I > > only > > really need the crossmember but I'd take control arms etc. as well if > that > > > was > > part of the package. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From cars at wt-inc.com Thu May 12 14:13:13 2011 From: cars at wt-inc.com (cars at wt-inc.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:13:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Stalling at idle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01cc10e1$05b38980$111a9c80$@com> Agreed with below but would add any vacuum leak, check your timing. Bad timing can cause poor idle and heat. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:41 PM To: jliny5 at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stalling at idle A quick thing to check that happened to me was a leak in the PVC line. If it's sucking air it won't close the pvc valve at idle as it should and the car will run too lean and stall. Or if the pvc valve is gummed up and stuck it might display the same symptoms. When you shake the valve you should be able to hear the ball roll around inside. Oh, and since you lowered the idle last year, make sure the idle screw is actually touching and holding the throttle open a smidgen. At 214 degrees it's hard to believe it's heat related, but I'm sure other will follow with more items to check. In a message dated 5/12/2011 3:16:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jliny5 at cox.net writes: Hello All, Yesterday after a short 20 minute drive I noticed some coolant on the garage floor from the expansion tank so I checked the temp with a laser thermometer. It measured 214 on the manifold near the temp sender and thermostat. I did some tweaking (a thanks to Tom Parker) which included tightening all hose clamps and tightening the fan belt. For background, my 260 has the the LAT 1 Induction system and the LAT 20 perfromance cam. I have a stock radiator, horn hole covers and a 6-blade fan. Today, to check on my tweaks I took it for a longer ride, almost one hour. It included highway and traffic, in fact I got caught at a RR crossing for 5 minutes. When I got home I noticed the engine was running a bit rough at lower RPMs. I let it idle in the garage but it stalled after about a minute. I started it up again (a couple of tries--usually turns over first time). I let it idle but again it stalled. Did it again, this time I increased RPMs to see if it was getting fuel...revved up fine. Brought it back down to idle and it stalled again after a bit. I checked the temp readings again with laser thermometer: 214 at Temp sendr, 208 @ thermostat, 214 @ radiator, and 198 @ expansion tank. No fluid on floor from expansion tank. Sorry for the long-winded explanation...here is my question. Is this heat related or do you think it is something with the carburator. I lowerd the idle last fall because I thought it was idling too fast...now after operating for a while it stalls. OBTW...it was a beautiful drive and the car ran fine. Thanks Jim Lindner _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars at wt-inc.com From jim at island.net Thu May 12 15:17:10 2011 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pentastar In-Reply-To: <4DCC30C3.3090802@roadrunner.com> References: <4DCC30C3.3090802@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <006401cc10e9$f5361b50$dfa251f0$@net> An old co-worker told me that back in the day, he bought a brand new MKII in Ontario... and his story was that it was sitting right beside a brand new Mustang convertible... and he chose the Sunbeam after driving both. He can't recall what kind of dealership it was though... poor guy broke his leg 2 years later and as his wife couldn't drive a standard... he promptly traded it in on a (automatic) station wagon... such is life !! He was quite surprised when I told him how few were actually made ! Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:11 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pentastar Mark: I bought my Tiger in Oct '66 from an independent dealer in NY state, so Chrysler dealers were not the only source. My MkIA (B382002384LRXFE) had a pentastar on it that I have since removed. It was, ironically, the only Mopar part on the car, I believe. Tod From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu May 12 16:42:35 2011 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:42:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale/ Pentastar Message-ID: <50212.58ed2b6a.3afdbc5b@aol.com> What's wrong with a ski-doo dealer and a machine that's 445 lbs with 125 hp?. got one parked out beside my iglooo From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 30 15:19:30 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:19:30 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Happy Decoration Day Message-ID: <4DE409E2.50704@bradakis.com> I should be out playing in the warm sunshine, not holed up in front of the computer on a cold and rainy day. Shucks. mjb. From Rollright at aol.com Mon May 30 12:28:07 2011 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:28:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Auto Meter tach Message-ID: <41e9d.20a9087a.3b153bb7@aol.com> Hello, Well, the tach project is finished. Now I'd like to test it on the car before installation. The easy part is 12 Volts and Gnd. What can I hook the third "signal" terminal to? And finally, when I pull out the old tach, how do I hook up the new one. Yes, I know 12V and Gnd. I'm concerned and confused about the third terminal. Can anyone help? Jim Armstrong From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon May 30 15:36:26 2011 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:36:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Auto Meter tach In-Reply-To: <41e9d.20a9087a.3b153bb7@aol.com> References: <41e9d.20a9087a.3b153bb7@aol.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405ED527FF3@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> If it's proper Autometer internal guts then you connect the green tach wire to the coil negative terminal (the one that connects to the breaker points, Pertronix black, etc.) If you're using an MSD then connect the green wire to the MSD's tach output terminal. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com > Sent: May 30, 2011 12:28 PM > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] Auto Meter tach > > Hello, > > Well, the tach project is finished. Now I'd like to test it on the > car > before installation. > > The easy part is 12 Volts and Gnd. > > What can I hook the third "signal" terminal to? > > And finally, when I pull out the old tach, how do I hook up the new > one. > Yes, I know 12V and Gnd. I'm concerned and confused about the third > terminal. > > Can anyone help? > > Jim Armstrong > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From e.coiner at cox.net Mon May 30 16:02:59 2011 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger carpet question Message-ID: <20110530180259.YGS3V.689049.imail@fed1rmwml33> The memorial weekend project is to replace the carpet and all the vinyl around the cockpit on my Mk1a. Does the pedestal that supports the hi/low beam headlight switch mount on top of the carpet or under. Same question for the gas pedal support. Erich From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Mon May 30 17:02:17 2011 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:02:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] TU VIP Guests at Queen Mary Message-ID: <1F09FC3DBCC24D98BAC0CB3D0F869F8A@BUCK> Here's a list of some of our VIP guests who have confirmed they'll be attending Tigers United in Long Beach on the Queen Mary: Kerry Agapiou, while working for Ken Miles, helped build the "Miles Prototype", later Shelby mechanic, crewed Shelby Tiger at Road America Jack Balch, Foreman of Shelby American's race shop. He knows the real details about the "Mystery 50's" engine woes. Ron Dykes, drove the HSC Tiger to 2nd place in the 1966 runoffs. Jim Marietta, crewed on the Ken Miles "Mystery 50" at Riverside in 1964 John Morton, member of the original Shelby American crew at the world's first Tiger race at Tucson in April, 1964 Scooter Patrick, raced 904's for fun but what did he do for work? He sold Sunbeams and knows what it was like to sell Tigers "back in the day" Don Sesslar, won the 1964 SCCA National Championship for Rootes in a Sunbeam Alpine. Drove the Shelby American Tiger in late 1964 and the Sports Car Forum Tiger in 1965. Cleo and Carroll Shelby I wouldn't know where to start describing the guy whose name was on the pay checks. Ted Sutton chief crew for most of the Shelby American Tiger races but probably better known for building the first 427 Cobra. There will be a Friday night program at 7 pm in the Mauretania Room (our Hospitality/Vendor's Suite), where a panel will discuss technical matters and and answer various questions about maintaining and restoring a Tiger. (Dale A, Tom Hall, Dan Walters and possibly Martha Christiansen.) There will be a "Story Night" on Saturday beginning at 7pm where our VIP guests will have a chance to share a few of their Tiger recollections from back in the mid-sixties. A no host bar will be available on Saturday. Both events are open to all Tigers United Registrants. The event is over two weeks away and we already have 70 Sunbeams and 130 persons registered with more singing up every day. for details see http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/forumdisplay.php?f=34 Buck Trippel ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon May 30 18:34:01 2011 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 00:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger carpet question In-Reply-To: <20110530180259.YGS3V.689049.imail@fed1rmwml33> Message-ID: <798928179.1376808.1306802041958.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Under the carpet for both. But the gas pedal stop goes on top. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: e coiner To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 30 May 2011 22:02:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger carpet question The memorial weekend project is to replace the carpet and all the vinyl around the cockpit on my Mk1a. Does the pedestal that supports the hi/low beam headlight switch mount on top of the carpet or under. Same question for the gas pedal support. Erich From musta32188 at msn.com Mon May 30 18:53:59 2011 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 20:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Selling my Tiger Message-ID: I tried to send this out a couple of weeks ago, but I don't think it made it... From: musta32188 at msn.com To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Selling my Tiger Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:29:02 -0400 Everyone: I have decided to sell my Tiger. Before I put it up on Ebay, let me share it with all of you to see if there is some interest. In short, it's a 1965, with what I believe are the original 260 engine and transmission. I have owned the car for about five years; it was disassembled when I bought it (and it still is). It's midnight blue, and has a very straight body. It is by no means perfect, and I believe it will require a full restoration. The previous owner had done some of the restoration about 15 years ago, painted it, and then stopped. I have noticed that the inner fenders have rust, as does the front of the "frames" just to the rear of the engine compartment, as well as other areas. I think it is largely a solid car, but I have no doubt there is rust that lurks in places I haven't seen. Therefore, I had planned to re-do the previous owner's work. The interior has surface rust, but looks remarkably solid, as does the trunk. Importantly, it has one of Mike Hokanson's amazing front suspensions that's never been used other than to roll it into the garage: QA1 adjustable coilovers, adjustable control arms, Flaming River rack, and fox-body Mustang rotors with Wilwood Dynalite calipers. It has 14x6 and 14x7 Panasports, with new BF Goodrich tires. I have the big parts: windshield, bumpers, hood, trunk, and most of the small stuff, but I suspect things are missing. There are very few interior parts with it, and those that are would need to be replaced. The rear end will clearly need to be rebuilt, and the axles are just sitting in the housing, but not secured. I am asking $14,000, including the Hokanson front suspension as well as the old suspension parts. It has not been TAC'd. It does have a valid Georgia title. I will get into the garage this coming weekend and take some photos; email me if you're interested. If you want me to take a picture of something in particular, just let me know. I will answer all questions, and I will be candid--no rosy picture where it's not warranted. Thanks. Phillip Silk From jim at island.net Mon May 30 19:36:07 2011 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:36:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Auto Meter tach In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405ED527FF3@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <41e9d.20a9087a.3b153bb7@aol.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405ED527FF3@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <045401cc1f33$1da29850$58e7c8f0$@net> Hi Jim I thought I'd chime in here as the 'green' wire might be confusing... I say that because the existing 'green' wire that went to the original tach is 12v ! As you know there is no color code on the back of the Autometer tach... only neg., 12v. and ign. Terminals... What I did was tie in the Autometer neg. terminal and also the black pigtail from the light to the gauge grounds... and used the existing green wire from the harness to the 12v. terminal. You need to then run a 'NEW' wire ( I used an orange one ) from the ign. Terminal to either the coil ( - ) terminal or an MSD tach terminal as Theo says... Hope that helps... Jim Gislason B382000446 PS If you know of anyone wanting another one of those tachs.. I have one with a 6k redline assembled.. and all the parts and face for a 7k redline one... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:36 PM To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Auto Meter tach If it's proper Autometer internal guts then you connect the green tach wire to the coil negative terminal (the one that connects to the breaker points, Pertronix black, etc.) If you're using an MSD then connect the green wire to the MSD's tach output terminal. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com > Sent: May 30, 2011 12:28 PM > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] Auto Meter tach > > Hello, > > Well, the tach project is finished. Now I'd like to test it on the > car > before installation. > > The easy part is 12 Volts and Gnd. > > What can I hook the third "signal" terminal to? > > And finally, when I pull out the old tach, how do I hook up the new > one. > Yes, I know 12V and Gnd. I'm concerned and confused about the third > terminal. > > Can anyone help? > > Jim Armstrong > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net From modtiger at comcast.net Mon May 30 19:57:48 2011 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:57:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Happy Decoration Day In-Reply-To: <4DE409E2.50704@bradakis.com> References: <4DE409E2.50704@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4DE44B1C.1080801@comcast.net> On 5/30/2011 2:19 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I should be out playing in the warm sunshine, not holed > up in front of the computer on a cold and rainy day. Shucks. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/modtiger at comcast.net > > > A big "Thank You" for getting the Tiger list up and running again. Cold and rainy seems to be the norm for most of the US recently. Tigers United is just the thing we need to get the pulse going again. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Tue May 31 07:38:48 2011 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam TV sighting / Adam-12 Message-ID: <3b0b9.11946bee.3b164968@aol.com> There is a gold Sunbeam with MK-2 stripes in the right side of the parking lot near the start of this show on their first (police) call. If they enter the building, you have gone way too far into the show. Dick Sanders reviewed the video online and suggested it might actually be an Orchid Green Tiger, but the 43 year old film could be displaying the wrong color. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ---------------------------- Adam-12 Season 1, Episode 10: _Log 132: Producer_ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0505301/) Nov 30 1968 _http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0505301/_ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0505301/) _http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2834300953/_ (http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2834300953/) From Carmods at aol.com Tue May 31 09:51:57 2011 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 11:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger/Alpine Hub Cap & John Webber Message-ID: <1599d.3a0460af.3b16689d@aol.com> I sent these questions out but I didn't see them go through the system so I will ask again. What is the outside diameter of the standard Tiger/Alpine hub cap? Does anyone have the latest E-mail address for John Webber? John Logan From wwwdg at webtv.net Tue May 31 10:56:31 2011 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:56:31 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam TV sighting / Adam-12 Message-ID: Don't think it is a MKII. Looks like an Alpine, no dual tips, no reverse lights, body sitting high, the stripe on the side is crooked (stripe looks like it is the reflection of the white parking line on the ground in the cars paint). David Franchi From Rollright at aol.com Tue May 31 14:20:16 2011 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:20:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <19199a.33e71dcd.3b16a780@aol.com> Hello, Many thanks to friends Theo and Jim for their help with my tach project. BTW: Jim you've held my hand through this whole project. As with so many projects, they wouldn't be possible without this list. Lurkers....contribute! Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A LRXFE 382002083 (86) From CoolVT at aol.com Tue May 31 14:36:54 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Replacement Servo Message-ID: <3de3b.9702364.3b16ab66@aol.com> I noticed that Victoria British has a 5" Lockheed replacement servo for $239. That seems to be a fairly good price. Has anyone had experience with this model? Thanks, Mark From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Tue May 31 14:49:14 2011 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam TV sighting / Adam-12 Message-ID: <30665.3eed88eb.3b16ae4a@aol.com> David, That's why I wrote Sunbeam sighting instead of Tiger sighting. I only got a glimpse of it. Do you think the color is gold or something else? Jim From wwwdg at webtv.net Tue May 31 19:56:30 2011 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 01:56:30 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam TV sighting / Adam-12 Message-ID: Looks like Orchid Green to me. David -----Original Message----- From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:49 PM To: wwwdg at webtv.net, tigers at autox.team.net, alpines at autox.team.net Subject: Sunbeam TV sighting / Adam-12 David, That's why I wrote Sunbeam sighting instead of Tiger sighting. I only got a glimpse of it. Do you think the color is gold or something else? Jim From jimboynton at comcast.net Thu May 12 18:08:02 2011 From: jimboynton at comcast.net (Jim Boynton) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 00:08:02 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] brake servo In-Reply-To: <006401cc10e9$f5361b50$dfa251f0$@net> References: <4DCC30C3.3090802@roadrunner.com> <006401cc10e9$f5361b50$dfa251f0$@net> Message-ID: <002001cc1101$cd674b40$6835e1c0$@net> I'm ready to reinstall my rebuild brake servo. Are there any particular steps I should take in any particular order? I plan to bleed the brakes first and put some new fluid in. Anything else I should do before starting the car??? Jim From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Thu May 12 19:47:10 2011 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 01:47:10 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale/ Pentastar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004e01cc110f$ac0174e0$04045ea0$@sbcglobal.net> A factory memo dated 1/66 gave a number of Pentastar badges and instructions that all N.A.S. Vehicles will have a "Pentastar" badge as February 1st fitted to the Lower Front Wing on the right hand side only. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse The Tiger parts list shows the Pentastar (2239866) on page XF1, with no notation. The Alpine parts list (page X2, 5th issue) states "USA and Canada only". David Franchi From CoolVT at aol.com Thu May 12 20:40:48 2011 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 02:40:48 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale/ Pentastar Message-ID: Now I'm going to be checking cars to see where in that area they ended up. In a message dated 5/12/2011 9:47:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net writes: A factory memo dated 1/66 gave a number of Pentastar badges and instructions that all N.A.S. Vehicles will have a "Pentastar" badge as February 1st fitted to the Lower Front Wing on the right hand side only. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse The Tiger parts list shows the Pentastar (2239866) on page XF1, with no notation. The Alpine parts list (page X2, 5th issue) states "USA and Canada only". David Franchi From rande at thecia.net Fri May 13 04:33:55 2011 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 10:33:55 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] my "stock" wheels Message-ID: <4dcd093a.d2e.0@thecia.net> This is the menagerie of Rootes wheels that I have: four /59 wheels that came mounted on my #48 Tiger IA. They're identified by the smaller brake vent holes, and according to the catalogue, used on the Alpine Series I and part way through production of the Series II. One /65 white wheel One /64 with an additional part number 1214930(the number listed as the latest Alpine Series III to V and all Tiger applications(I and II). One 63 wheel with no part number on wheel One 66 wheel with no part number on wheel I don't know how I learned this, but supposedly the 1214930 superceded the 1210258 used on some Alpine III and IV's because the engineering department thought the holes for the lugs for the older wheel were too weak, and the newer number is reinforced around the holes. It could also be that Rootes felt no need to continue making one wheel for the Alpine III and some II's when they could use the Tiger wheel for both Tigers and later Alpines. From maliburevue at yahoo.com Fri May 13 20:07:37 2011 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 02:07:37 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] tank color Message-ID: <212757.14930.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rande, If your sealer is coming off, you may not have prepped your tanks properly. It's usually the prep, not the coating. 7 years ago I stripped my tanks with muratic acid (used for swimming pools) and coated them with white KREEM motorcycle tank sealer from JC Whitney. The muratic acid fumes can be deadly so wear a breather. I am aware of the issue of hydrogen embrittlement, but I have had no problems and they still look great. Gary --- On Tue, 5/10/11, rande wrote: From: rande Subject: [Tigers] tank color To: rootes1 at earthlink.net Cc: Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 10:33 AM Thanks for the tank color(gloss finish). I had my original tanks cleaned, and in the process all of the exterior paint was removed. I just got an NOS RH tank, and it looks matt finish black, but it's about 40 years old. I had the original tanks coated/lined inside four years ago, and the coating is flaking off inside, before any gas goes in them!!!! Has anyone ever been successful by installing uncoated, bare tanks? At this point, I don't know if I trust any coating. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue at yahoo.com From maliburevue at yahoo.com Sat May 14 08:27:18 2011 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:27:18 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] 13" Tire Source Message-ID: <656370.75228.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got this from Buck. http://www.americanraceronline.com/racing-tires/passenger.html From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sat May 14 19:38:10 2011 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 01:38:10 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Stalling at idle Message-ID: <7412.289d044.3b00887b@aol.com> Do you have a ballast resistor? My Tiger did the same thing a few years ago and I found one of the wires to the resistor was disconnected. Plugged it back in and everything has been fine since. Fred Baum In a message dated 5/12/2011 5:00:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cars at wt-inc.com writes: Agreed with below but would add any vacuum leak, check your timing. Bad timing can cause poor idle and heat. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:41 PM To: jliny5 at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stalling at idle A quick thing to check that happened to me was a leak in the PVC line. If it's sucking air it won't close the pvc valve at idle as it should and the car will run too lean and stall. Or if the pvc valve is gummed up and stuck it might display the same symptoms. When you shake the valve you should be able to hear the ball roll around inside. Oh, and since you lowered the idle last year, make sure the idle screw is actually touching and holding the throttle open a smidgen. At 214 degrees it's hard to believe it's heat related, but I'm sure other will follow with more items to check. In a message dated 5/12/2011 3:16:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jliny5 at cox.net writes: Hello All, Yesterday after a short 20 minute drive I noticed some coolant on the garage floor from the expansion tank so I checked the temp with a laser thermometer. It measured 214 on the manifold near the temp sender and thermostat. I did some tweaking (a thanks to Tom Parker) which included tightening all hose clamps and tightening the fan belt. For background, my 260 has the the LAT 1 Induction system and the LAT 20 perfromance cam. I have a stock radiator, horn hole covers and a 6-blade fan. Today, to check on my tweaks I took it for a longer ride, almost one hour. It included highway and traffic, in fact I got caught at a RR crossing for 5 minutes. When I got home I noticed the engine was running a bit rough at lower RPMs. I let it idle in the garage but it stalled after about a minute. I started it up again (a couple of tries--usually turns over first time). I let it idle but again it stalled. Did it again, this time I increased RPMs to see if it was getting fuel...revved up fine. Brought it back down to idle and it stalled again after a bit. I checked the temp readings again with laser thermometer: 214 at Temp sendr, 208 @ thermostat, 214 @ radiator, and 198 @ expansion tank. No fluid on floor from expansion tank. Sorry for the long-winded explanation...here is my question. Is this heat related or do you think it is something with the carburator. I lowerd the idle last fall because I thought it was idling too fast...now after operating for a while it stalls. OBTW...it was a beautiful drive and the car ran fine. Thanks Jim Lindner _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars at wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13 at aol.com From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sun May 15 08:55:57 2011 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 14:55:57 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United Update Message-ID: <49C7A4E9350A4E92B78D088012246217@BUCK> This year's Tigers United is only a month away. The Queen is happy. The hotel is running out of rooms. CAT's happy because over 130 registrations have already arrived. Here's our VIP Guest list (in no particular order). Each of these have already confirmed they will attend. They'll share their Tiger related experiences from "back in the day": - Cleo and Carroll Shelby - Don Sesslar - John Morton - Ted Sutton - Scooter Patrick - Jim Marrietta - Jack Balch - Ron Dykes Plus there are a few others that still are on the fence. Details for the event are on the CAT website http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/forumdisplay.php?f=34 If you have any questions, feel free to give me a call. Buck (310) 545-2487 From BEAU2EVE at aol.com Mon May 16 14:24:43 2011 From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:24:43 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Doug Jennings phone no Message-ID: <55748.2318dfd.3b02dc1a@aol.com> I sure could Doug phone number, thanks. Beau From rande at thecia.net Tue May 17 04:27:41 2011 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:27:41 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Hemmings Tiger for sale Message-ID: <4dd24d8c.464e.0@thecia.net> The May 16 edition of the Hemmings email newsletter features a '1966 Tiger' for sale, with about 10 photos.The owner is asking short money, if it's a genuine Tiger, mid 20's. The site is www.hemmings.com and look for email newsletter button. The edition was still featured as of this morning rb From drjev at dccnet.com Tue May 17 08:55:08 2011 From: drjev at dccnet.com (drjev at dccnet.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:55:08 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Slow email week References: <459714.86665.qm@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DD28C20.000008.01032@USER-E4E419A9CB> Hello, No email from the list for almost a week now. Anyone else in the same boat? Or is it just my system? J [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of grad.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of stampa_girl_line_en.gif] From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue May 17 11:52:10 2011 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 17:52:10 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] radiator Message-ID: <1804D0BB-23D2-4492-8D7C-C98FF5E689BB@gmail.com> hello, anyone know where a I can get a tiger alu rad in stock sizing that is in stock and available to ship now? From TMorton at bma1915.com Wed May 18 10:22:34 2011 From: TMorton at bma1915.com (Terry Morton) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:22:34 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: <3CB8B4340F95574EB94BC8370752ADA0015ABB39@bmadata1.bmi1915.priv> test This message and any attachments may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail so that our address records can be corrected. Also, please delete the message and any attachments from your system. Thank you. From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed May 18 16:54:10 2011 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:54:10 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Jerry - Please repost to Tiger blog Message-ID: <8858B93D9FF44DF6A001DF830FA62F0C@jerry> All, A TAC session will be held in Keller, Texas on August 13, 2011. The required Senior and two junior inspectors will be available on this date only. Keller is located 15 miles north of downtown Fort Worth, Texas. Specific location and directions will be provided once I receive responses from those wishing to have their Tiger's inspected. Please respond to Racetig at hotmail.com to indicate your intent or answer any questions. This will be the only TAC session this year. Please pass this along to other Tiger owners who may not be members of this blog. If your car has already been TAC'd, you are certainly welcome to attend and meet other Tiger owners. This initial announcement is to get an idea of how many people/cars will be involved. We look forward to seeing everyone. Rob Roy Inspector #54 - Senior 817-313-5427 From musta32188 at msn.com Wed May 18 19:29:04 2011 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 01:29:04 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Selling my Tiger Message-ID: Everyone: I have decided to sell my Tiger. Before I put it up on Ebay, let me share it with all of you to see if there is some interest. In short, it's a 1965, with what I believe are the original 260 engine and transmission. I have owned the car for about five years; it was disassembled when I bought it (and it still is). It's midnight blue, and has a very straight body. It is by no means perfect, and requires a full restoration. The previous owner had done some of the restoration about 15 years ago, painted it and then stopped. I have noticed that the inner fenders have rust, as does the front of the "frames" just to the rear of the engine compartment, as well as other areas. I think it is largely a solid car, but I have no doubt there is rust that lurks in places I haven't seen. Therefore, I had planned to re-do the previous owner's work. The interior has surface rust, but looks remarkably solid, as does the trunk. Importantly, it has one of Mike Hokanson's amazing front suspensions that's never been used other than to roll it into the garage: QA1 adjustable coilovers, adjustable control arms, Flaming River rack, and fox-body Mustang rotors with Wilwood Dynalite calipers. It has 14x6 and 14x7 Panasports, with new BF Goodrich tires. I have the big parts: windshield, bumpers, hood, trunk, and most of the small stuff, but I suspect things are missing. There are very few interior parts with it, and those that are would need to be replaced. The rear end will clearly need to be rebuilt, and the axles are just sitting in the housing, but not secured. I am asking $14,000, including the Hokanson front suspension as well as the old suspension parts. It has not been TAC'd. It does have a valid Georgia title. I will get into the garage this weekend and take some photos; email me if you're interested. If you want me to take a picture of something in particular, just let me know. I will answer all questions, and I will be candid--no rosy picture where it's not warranted. Thanks. Phillip Silk From jheff123 at msn.com Thu May 19 19:43:00 2011 From: jheff123 at msn.com (John Heffron) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 01:43:00 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Pictures needed for restoration of a Mk1A Message-ID: Listers Does anyone have any pictures of the underside of the unibody, the floor pans and also the sills for a MK1A restoration that they could share with me? My body man (who is a Healey guy) would like a better idea than my rusted tub...... Thanks in advance for your help. Regards John 66 Tiger MK1A TAC 707 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri May 20 08:28:58 2011 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 14:28:58 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] is the list back? Message-ID: From maliburevue at yahoo.com Fri May 20 19:23:25 2011 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 01:23:25 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Cover Latches and cables Message-ID: <63954.69971.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I need a set of latches and cables for the center metal soft top cover for a pre-66 Alpine or Tiger. They somehow disappeared during the restoration process. If you have a set, please contact me off list. Thanks. From v8cat at yahoo.com Sat May 21 11:44:07 2011 From: v8cat at yahoo.com (v8cat) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 17:44:07 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] no e-mails? Message-ID: <262558.80870.qm@web161019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sir, I haven't seen an e-mail from the list for weeks. I did not change any settings or unsubscribed. I have forgotten how I first got on the list but would like to return. Please advise. Thanks Perry V8CAT From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Sat May 21 16:52:53 2011 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:52:53 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: <4DD8423F.9090307@cs.com> Test -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From drjev at dccnet.com Sat May 21 17:43:53 2011 From: drjev at dccnet.com (drjev at dccnet.com) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 23:43:53 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: <4DD84E2C.000005.00276@USER-E4E419A9CB> test [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of grad.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of stampa_girl_line_en.gif] From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun May 22 20:03:39 2011 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 02:03:39 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] testing the`list Message-ID: Have not had any emails from he list since 13th may, is everyone out in their cars running faultlessly or is the list down? -- Regards Michael King From tigerv8 at rogers.com Mon May 23 07:40:45 2011 From: tigerv8 at rogers.com (Shaun Laughy) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 13:40:45 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: <74D50B3588E9434D8804186CADBBA6DC@ShaunPC> Test message. From mark.rense at ge.com Mon May 23 08:25:47 2011 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 14:25:47 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] List Up? Message-ID: Checking to see if the list is up, Haven't seen anything since 5/12. Going through withdrawals.... Bugz From un-cole-a at juno.com Tue May 24 11:41:33 2011 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 17:41:33 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Hello out there Message-ID: <20110524.134011.17445.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> I have not received any e mail from the list lately. Is it quite out there or is it me Tim B9470149 ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ddbedaf3ac43124a2st06vuc From mgman71 at comcast.net Tue May 24 16:05:59 2011 From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 22:05:59 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] No Tiger stff in a few days?? Message-ID: <1236902496.886497.1306274757114.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Just check to see if the list is still alive George Re From mgman71 at comcast.net Tue May 24 21:14:59 2011 From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 03:14:59 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] test post please delete Message-ID: <1503378572.900019.1306293291282.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> delete From wseay at embarqmail.com Wed May 25 11:47:45 2011 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:47:45 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Test In-Reply-To: <4dcbd4b1.e48.0@thecia.net> References: <4dcbd4b1.e48.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <000501cc1b03$d6441660$82cc4320$@com> Testing 1, 2, 3. Anybody out there? Will Seay_____________ wseay at embarqmail.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu May 26 09:23:43 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 15:23:43 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Testing... Message-ID: <4DDE707A.5000302@mayfco.com> Seems to be broken? No info coming through.. Sandy? You get this? -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From rande at thecia.net Thu May 26 13:16:31 2011 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 19:16:31 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] user group inactive Message-ID: <4ddea706.63ca.0@thecia.net> Is it my imagination or has the Tiger group gone quiet? From drjev at dccnet.com Thu May 26 15:22:52 2011 From: drjev at dccnet.com (drjev at dccnet.com) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 21:22:52 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] (No subject header) Message-ID: <4DDEC498.00001C.02456@USER-E4E419A9CB> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of grad.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of stampa_girl_line_en.gif] From wwwdg at webtv.net Thu May 26 19:56:43 2011 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 01:56:43 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: Haven't received any e-mails in a couple of weeks, am I still on the list? David Franchi From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri May 27 10:08:49 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:08:49 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: <4DDFCC8E.1080207@mayfco.com> Testing another of the autox.team.net email lists seems to be working -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri May 27 10:26:52 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:26:52 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Another test Message-ID: <4DDFD0CA.6040707@mayfco.com> Woo hoo, I hope this thing is on! -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From Carmods at aol.com Sat May 28 08:20:56 2011 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 10:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] John Webber Message-ID: <45f4e.2bc76577.3b125ec8@aol.com> Does anyone have the latest E-mail address for John Webber? John Logan From Carmods at aol.com Sun May 29 07:55:54 2011 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 09:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hub Caps Message-ID: <15150.78e51137.3b13aa6a@aol.com> What is the outside diameter of the standard Tiger/Alpine hub cap? John Logan From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sun May 29 09:33:56 2011 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 11:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] For sale in Oregon Message-ID: <171b9.12580bd6.3b13c164@aol.com> _http://www.copart.com/c2/classic_auction_search_results.html?_eventId=getLo t&execution=e1s2&lotId=17895021&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS_ (http://www.copart.com/c2/classic_auction_search_results.html?_eventId=getLot&execution=e1s2& lotId=17895021&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS) Something got me off of the list. How do I get back on? From e.coiner at cox.net Sun May 29 16:04:40 2011 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Carpet Installation Question Message-ID: <20110529180440.ZP20L.666654.imail@fed1rmwml41> I am installing carpet in my Mk1a Tiger. There is a special place in hell for the designer of the carpet snaps. But I digress. Is the pedestal that the high beam switch mounts on mounted above or below the carpet? My previous carpet (that is not original) is draped over the pedestal. The instructions in Dave Johnson's article on TU makes it sound like it is above. I can't trust any of the previous installation, because they had the gas pedal mount on top of the carpet. I did come up with a quick way to make spacers for the carpet snap studs. I have some 3/8 fuel line tubing. I cut short pieces with my tubing cutter. Erich From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon May 30 08:30:15 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 07:30:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] List Up Yet? Message-ID: <4DE3A9F7.40100@mayfco.com> Mark is working on it, so, is it up yet? -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From Rollright at aol.com Mon May 30 12:28:07 2011 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:28:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Auto Meter tach Message-ID: <41e9d.20a9087a.3b153bb7@aol.com> Hello, Well, the tach project is finished. Now I'd like to test it on the car before installation. The easy part is 12 Volts and Gnd. What can I hook the third "signal" terminal to? And finally, when I pull out the old tach, how do I hook up the new one. Yes, I know 12V and Gnd. I'm concerned and confused about the third terminal. Can anyone help? Jim Armstrong From jliny5 at cox.net Sat May 14 20:25:21 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 02:25:21 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Stalling at idle In-Reply-To: <7412.289d044.3b00887b@aol.com> References: <7412.289d044.3b00887b@aol.com> Message-ID: <071D54DAEF3249B682A3B2C1493B6734@JPC> Thanks for tip. I do and I will double check. To all...thanks for input on this issue. I did a little tweaking of Carb today (raised float in one bowl which was low) and also raised idle just a bit (back to where it was last fall.) Although idle seems a bit fast (950-1000) the engine does seem to run better and did not stall at all...even after running at idle for 40 minutes. Will test vacuum and dial in idle mixture tomorrow. Only issue is that it is still heating up quite a bit. When I shut it down about a pint of coolant ran out of the hose from the expansion tank. Laser thermometer was reading 222 @ the radiator...a bit less elsewhere. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com To: cars at wt-inc.com ; CoolVT at aol.com ; jliny5 at cox.net ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stalling at idle Do you have a ballast resistor? My Tiger did the same thing a few years ago and I found one of the wires to the resistor was disconnected. Plugged it back in and everything has been fine since. Fred Baum In a message dated 5/12/2011 5:00:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cars at wt-inc.com writes: Agreed with below but would add any vacuum leak, check your timing. Bad timing can cause poor idle and heat. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:41 PM To: jliny5 at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stalling at idle A quick thing to check that happened to me was a leak in the PVC line. If it's sucking air it won't close the pvc valve at idle as it should and the car will run too lean and stall. Or if the pvc valve is gummed up and stuck it might display the same symptoms. When you shake the valve you should be able to hear the ball roll around inside. Oh, and since you lowered the idle last year, make sure the idle screw is actually touching and holding the throttle open a smidgen. At 214 degrees it's hard to believe it's heat related, but I'm sure other will follow with more items to check. In a message dated 5/12/2011 3:16:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jliny5 at cox.net writes: Hello All, Yesterday after a short 20 minute drive I noticed some coolant on the garage floor from the expansion tank so I checked the temp with a laser thermometer. It measured 214 on the manifold near the temp sender and thermostat. I did some tweaking (a thanks to Tom Parker) which included tightening all hose clamps and tightening the fan belt. For background, my 260 has the the LAT 1 Induction system and the LAT 20 perfromance cam. I have a stock radiator, horn hole covers and a 6-blade fan. Today, to check on my tweaks I took it for a longer ride, almost one hour. It included highway and traffic, in fact I got caught at a RR crossing for 5 minutes. When I got home I noticed the engine was running a bit rough at lower RPMs. I let it idle in the garage but it stalled after about a minute. I started it up again (a couple of tries--usually turns over first time). I let it idle but again it stalled. Did it again, this time I increased RPMs to see if it was getting fuel...revved up fine. Brought it back down to idle and it stalled again after a bit. I checked the temp readings again with laser thermometer: 214 at Temp sendr, 208 @ thermostat, 214 @ radiator, and 198 @ expansion tank. No fluid on floor from expansion tank. Sorry for the long-winded explanation...here is my question. Is this heat related or do you think it is something with the carburator. I lowerd the idle last fall because I thought it was idling too fast...now after operating for a while it stalls. OBTW...it was a beautiful drive and the car ran fine. Thanks Jim Lindner _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars at wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13 at aol.com From jliny5 at cox.net Sun May 15 20:09:22 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 02:09:22 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Thermostat Message-ID: <988E93B4D51F461580AEE0FE8E11C6EB@JPC> Hi All, In some previous postings I have mentioned my Mk1 is tending to run a bit hot (220 or thereabouts) and recently has overflowed some coolant through the expansion tank hose. Seems OK on highway but in traffic or when idling it really heats up. I have check all hoses and retightened the fan belt. As for the fixes in the seminal Tiger Cooling article...I have a six blade fan and I have covered the horn holes. I have not installed the full shroud-yet. Radiator was recored by PO in 2001 but I do not know how many rows. As further background I have a 260 with the Edelbrock F4b intake, Holley 4160 4bbl (465 cfm), and the LAT 20 Hi-perfromance cam. The PO told me he used a 180 degree thermostat, but it must be at least 5-8 years old I would think. I was thinking of replacing the thermostat as the next step in trying to improve cooling. Question: What is the consensus on the temp rating for a thermostat for the 260 with my set up? Part number? Any other thoughts are always welcome. I would be up the creek w/o paddles if it were not for the input I get from the list. Jim Lindner OBTW: Stalling problem previously posted this week seems to be corrected after I adjusted carb float levels, idle mixture, and curb idle. Also double checked conenctor bolts and did vacuum test which was OK. Thanks. From jliny5 at cox.net Mon May 16 12:09:07 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:09:07 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Thermostat Message-ID: <0D6614D991504EFBA7C0918EC4EB6BE2@JPC> This is a retransmission of email (below) that I sent last night. I did not receive it through the list so I figured nobody else did either. Since I sent last nights email I reread the article on cooling and see 180 degree thermostat is recommended. So that answers my question. But I have another...Has anybody blocked off the space between the crossmember and radiator as mentioned in the article on cooling. The article says you can use foam. Just wondering what type foam would be best...styrofoam, soft foam. Seems awful hot in there for foam. Has anybody done this? Thoughts? Thx, Jim Lindner ----- Original Message ----- From: James Lindner To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:09 PM Subject: Thermostat Hi All, In some previous postings I have mentioned my Mk1 is tending to run a bit hot (220 or thereabouts) and recently has overflowed some coolant through the expansion tank hose. Seems OK on highway but in traffic or when idling it really heats up. I have check all hoses and retightened the fan belt. As for the fixes in the seminal Tiger Cooling article...I have a six blade fan and I have covered the horn holes. I have not installed the full shroud-yet. Radiator was recored by PO in 2001 but I do not know how many rows. As further background I have a 260 with the Edelbrock F4b intake, Holley 4160 4bbl (465 cfm), and the LAT 20 Hi-perfromance cam. The PO told me he used a 180 degree thermostat, but it must be at least 5-8 years old I would think. I was thinking of replacing the thermostat as the next step in trying to improve cooling. Question: What is the consensus on the temp rating for a thermostat for the 260 with my set up? Part number? Any other thoughts are always welcome. I would be up the creek w/o paddles if it were not for the input I get from the list. Jim Lindner OBTW: Stalling problem previously posted this week seems to be corrected after I adjusted carb float levels, idle mixture, and curb idle. Also double checked conenctor bolts and did vacuum test which was OK. Thanks. From jliny5 at cox.net Mon May 16 18:59:41 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 00:59:41 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: <20B11D9317024EE38CE0192F58A8C3F2@JPC> Listers I have sent 2 postings to the list in last 24 hours but I did not receive copy in my email inbox. Just wondering if anybody received it so I am sending this test. If somebody could acknowledge I would appreciate it. Hope you all do not mind. Jim Lindner From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Thu May 19 11:41:12 2011 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:41:12 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Wheel Cylinders Message-ID: <586403.99271.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are the rear wheel cylinders in a MK1A, used in any other makes models of british cars? Thanks Joel Martin From jliny5 at cox.net Thu May 19 22:03:16 2011 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 04:03:16 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] List Status Message-ID: <819ED9F5-6F1F-4742-BB88-9B76BCD7CF11@cox.net> Hello Just checking on the status of the list, I have not received any postings for at least 3days. I sent a couple of posts and another Status check days ago but never received my own posts. Just checking. Jim Lindner From allanballard at att.net Fri May 20 03:38:39 2011 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 09:38:39 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...? In-Reply-To: <000501cc169f$ee7025c0$cb507140$@d@comcast.net> References: <6ACC4E0A035146AAB8C70250830EE5D8@ronpc1> <0F77E2A4-44D3-495A-8D2E-A946EF414804@att.net> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2B21A8B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <68E7DD06-3152-4EC7-846C-D63C6CF1491B@att.net> <000501cc169f$ee7025c0$cb507140$@d@comcast.net> Message-ID: <78A887CD-1118-4D8F-BB2A-7170C1083F99@att.net> The engine certainly is scarce, especially if it hasn't been over bored too much. The engine is stronger than the 260. I found that parts are more available. If it has been over bored too much, sleeving is a possibility. Around here they show up from time to time. The lowest cost I've seen locally is 250.00, condition unknown, ranging up to 850.00 for a claimed runner. So far as I can determine, the Tiger II 289 engine uses 6 bolts and won't fit to the 5 bolt bell housing. Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger SIV Alpine On May 19, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Dennis Newman wrote: > Hi from Colorado. I ran across a 5 bolt 289 with the engine ID tag a guy is > trying to sell. Is it worth while purchasing the engine. I don't know how > rare this motor is, and could use some help on it. I was thinking of taking > the original 260 out and replacing it with the 289. Any thoughts. The > engine tag and number on the block is definitely 289. The guy said it came > in his 64 Galaxy. > > Also my subscription to the tiger emails strangely stopped a couple weeks > ago and would like to get back on the mailing list, could also use some help > on this as well. > > Dennis 303 807-8061 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:17 PM > To: Smit, Theo > Cc: Beamclub TIGER > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...? > > The Tiger II gearbox isn't a HEH-B with holes to match either a 5 or 6 bolt > block? > > Allan > > On Jan 23, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > >> My Tiger (B382002705) is the second-last Mk1(A) Tiger. It came to me with > a > worked-over five bolt 289. Unfortunately, many (all?) of the original engine > ID tags were long gone by the time I got it, so there's not really anything > to > go on there, other than to read off the casting dates (which we know will be > '64, because that's the last date those blocks were made, right?). I do have > the proper tagged HEH-E gearbox. >> >> As we all know the proper engine for the Mk2 is the six-bolt 289, with the > HEH-CF wider ratio transmission. So any factory 'inbetween' Tigers would > have > been more likely to have that combination, than the five-bolt 289 and HEH-E. >> >> The only remotely likely way to get a five bolt 289 into the Tiger from > the > factory would have been that Ford ran out of 260 short-block assemblies > while > filling the Rootes orders, and they substituted in some 289 block > assemblies. > However, the likelyhood that these specific engines would then end up at the > end of the Mk1A production run is unlikely to me. >> >> Does anyone know how often engines/transmissions were shipped to Rootes? > Was > there a quarterly order? >> >> Theo >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard >>> Sent: January 23, 2011 11:24 AM >>> To: Beamclub TIGER >>> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...? >>> >>> "Sunbeam Tiger Limited Edition Extra," a book compiled by RM Clarke >>> (Brooklands Books, Surrey)... reprints a July 2001 article from >>> Classics -- "Sunbeam Tiger restoration Project." >>> >>> On page 116, the reprint states: "Somewhere along the line, Tiger >>> owners who >>> have the earlier cars with the 4.2 liter engines >>> develop a compulsion to fit the larger 4.7 liter unit, as used on the >>> later >>> MK1 and MKII models..." >>> >>> Is factory installation of a 289 in MK1 Tigers a fact or did Classics >>> err? >>> >>> I've seen speculation on occasion but this is the first time I've >>> noticed the >>> claim in a publication. >>> >>> Allan Ballard >>> Mk1-a Tiger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com >>> >> >> >> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. >> >> Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/newman.d at comcast.net From keepracing at mac.com Fri May 20 08:27:12 2011 From: keepracing at mac.com (Keep Morse) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 14:27:12 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] CA Trip Message-ID: Hi All, I am traveling to Mountain View, Ca next week 5.24 to 5.29. Tues to Sunday. Any Tiger events or activities happening in Silicon Valley? If not any Gear Head events. Keep Sebring, FL From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri May 27 05:32:18 2011 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:32:18 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: <27BB97BDD2BE406B995BF567A6F79D39@ronpc1> Has the crazy weather across the USA crashed the Tiger List? It's been mighty quiet, too quiet for this group. Ron Fraser From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Sat May 28 21:35:41 2011 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 03:35:41 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: Is the list server working? I haven't gotten any Tiger email in days. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 From allanballard at att.net Sun May 29 16:09:05 2011 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 22:09:05 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] list In-Reply-To: References: <05F9D38425644718852A8DE18B053EDA@ronpc1> Message-ID: <6B7A2DD1-9B52-4BF2-9D1B-B859C6740226@att.net> Is the list down? Allan Ballard Mk1a Tiger SIV Alpune From mk1a67 at gmail.com Tue May 24 23:36:41 2011 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 05:36:41 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] this is just a test Message-ID: This is just a test