From srwick at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  1 06:43:17 2011
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:43:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers in registry
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My Tiger has never been "TAC'd", as I am a distance away from any committee,
so it doesn't appear on the registry. However, several years ago I sent a lot
of pictures and numbers to Norm and he said it's real. One of these days I
hope to take it to Seattle and have it gone over so I can be "official". There
are probably a lot more like me out there somewhere.

Steve

> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:16:04 -0500
> From: vegaslegal at aol.com
> Subject: [Tigers] Tigers in registry
>
> I got mine in 1999 and it was totally off the grid when I bought it. It was
a
> one owner car that had been in storage twenty years. When I popped it on
> Norm, his initial reaction was that 382000975 did not exist in the form
> described. Photos changed his mind. I would suggest that there are hundreds
> of others tucked away waiting for someone to discover them.
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat Jan  1 07:19:56 2011
From: jliny5 at cox.net (jliny5)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:19:56 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers in registry
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Steve

I am relatively new to all this, but from what I can tell your car does not need to be TAC'd to be in the registry.

Norm maintains two separate lists...the Registry lists all VINs and provides date and location. A blank entry signifies the car is not "registered" A column is also set aside for the TAC number but many "registered" Tigers do not have TACs.

The  separate TAC list is just that a list of Tigers that have been TAC.

Interestingly, in the case of my Tiger, B9470033FE, which I purchased this summer, it is listed correctly on the TAC list but still is still listed in the registry under the previous owners location. 

I sent Norm the info when I bought the car, but it seems he only updated the TAC list.

If the Registry has NO entry for your Tiger you might consider sending the data to Norm again. 

When you get it TAC'd you can then update that info with Norm.

If I did not get this exactly correct, I am sure one of the more tenured Listers will set the record straight.

Happy New Year to all.

Jim Lindner
B9470033

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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:43:17 
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers in registry

My Tiger has never been "TAC'd", as I am a distance away from any committee,
so it doesn't appear on the registry. However, several years ago I sent a lot
of pictures and numbers to Norm and he said it's real. One of these days I
hope to take it to Seattle and have it gone over so I can be "official". There
are probably a lot more like me out there somewhere.

Steve

> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:16:04 -0500
> From: vegaslegal at aol.com
> Subject: [Tigers] Tigers in registry
>
> I got mine in 1999 and it was totally off the grid when I bought it. It was
a
> one owner car that had been in storage twenty years. When I popped it on
> Norm, his initial reaction was that 382000975 did not exist in the form
> described. Photos changed his mind. I would suggest that there are hundreds
> of others tucked away waiting for someone to discover them.
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat Jan  1 11:42:52 2011
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:42:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
Message-ID: <466C945D8E30479AB4695BE1D70A6C2E@JPC>

?Happy New Year Listers

When I purchased my Tiger this past summer it did not come with a hardtop. I
checked back three owners...but no sign of any hardtop.

They say a little knowledge is dangerous...but in reading up on the early
production of Tigers I thought I have read that they were originally produced
as Roadsters or as the GT Model with a detachable hardtop (Tiger: An
exceptional Motor Car p. 47). That raises a number of questions for meI.

1. Did Tigers come in Roadster and GT Models or did ALL Tigers come with the
detachable hardtop?

2. Was the color of the hardtop contrasting black or same color as body
color?

3. If all Tigers came with hardtops, would a Series III Alpine hardtop be
correct on my early Mk1 Tiger (B9470033) which I believe has the series IV
body? (Just so happens this hardtop has become available locally).

Thanks to all,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 11:51:46 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:51:46 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
Message-ID: <cf15.5f5252b4.3a50d1c2@aol.com>

Not sure about the GT's, but I understand for all  other Tigers the hard 
top could be ordered from the factory with the car and it  would be painted 
the car color.  If the car came without a hardtop and  hardtop was purchased 
from a dealer then it would be  black.
My MK1A is car color, but I can see black under the  red so.......
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2011 1:47:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jliny5 at cox.net writes:

?Happy  New Year Listers

When I purchased my Tiger this past summer it did not  come with a hardtop. 
I
checked back three owners...but no sign of any  hardtop.

They say a little knowledge is dangerous...but in reading up  on the early
production of Tigers I thought I have read that they were  originally 
produced
as Roadsters or as the GT Model with a detachable  hardtop (Tiger: An
exceptional Motor Car p. 47). That raises a number of  questions for meI.

1. Did Tigers come in Roadster and GT Models or did  ALL Tigers come with 
the
detachable hardtop?

2. Was the color of the  hardtop contrasting black or same color as body
color?

3. If all  Tigers came with hardtops, would a Series III Alpine hardtop be
correct on  my early Mk1 Tiger (B9470033) which I believe has the series IV
body? (Just  so happens this hardtop has become available locally).

Thanks to  all,

Jim  Lindner
B9470033
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From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Sat Jan  1 12:07:55 2011
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:07:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
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Message-ID: <6FAAD21BFCD74DAAB246EB51BC8A2D8D@your4dacd0ea75>

The only non-installed factory hardtop I ever saw was at Broughton Motors in 
San Antonio back in 1967.

It was hanging from the wall in the Parts Department -- and was in red 
primer.  Should'a bought it, but didn't.

Bought one later (1975) from a guy in Oakland that was painted black, but 
that came off with rubbing compound to reveal BRG -- happily, my Tiger's 
color!

Tony McNulty




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To: <jliny5 at cox.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtops


> Not sure about the GT's, but I understand for all  other Tigers the hard
> top could be ordered from the factory with the car and it  would be 
> painted
> the car color.  If the car came without a hardtop and  hardtop was 
> purchased
> from a dealer then it would be  black.
> My MK1A is car color, but I can see black under the  red so.......
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 1/1/2011 1:47:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jliny5 at cox.net writes:
>
> ?Happy  New Year Listers
>
> When I purchased my Tiger this past summer it did not  come with a 
> hardtop.
> I
> checked back three owners...but no sign of any  hardtop.
>
> They say a little knowledge is dangerous...but in reading up  on the early
> production of Tigers I thought I have read that they were  originally
> produced
> as Roadsters or as the GT Model with a detachable  hardtop (Tiger: An
> exceptional Motor Car p. 47). That raises a number of  questions for meI.
>
> 1. Did Tigers come in Roadster and GT Models or did  ALL Tigers come with
> the
> detachable hardtop?
>
> 2. Was the color of the  hardtop contrasting black or same color as body
> color?
>
> 3. If all  Tigers came with hardtops, would a Series III Alpine hardtop be
> correct on  my early Mk1 Tiger (B9470033) which I believe has the series 
> IV
> body? (Just  so happens this hardtop has become available locally).
>
> Thanks to  all,
>
> Jim  Lindner
> B9470033
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jan  1 12:43:36 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:43:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
In-Reply-To: <466C945D8E30479AB4695BE1D70A6C2E@JPC>
Message-ID: <7DA0323460AB42BA902EB84D14F3ACA4@ronpc1>

Jim
	Tigers came in Roadster and GT models; the GT has a standard hardtop
because it does not have the convertible top.

Generally if the top was ordered with the car; it was painted body color, if
ordered separately it was black.
I'm sure for a few extra $$ you could get it painted any color by Rootes.

The Rootes Parts List indicates the squared off looking Roof Panel, hardtop,
started with the SIII Alpine.  The rounder
looking Roof panel was for the SI & SII Alpine.

So if you are looking at a Roof Panel with opening quarter windows it is the
right one.

Ron Fraser

Happy New year to all


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Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:43 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops


?Happy New Year Listers

When I purchased my Tiger this past summer it did not come with a hardtop. I
checked back three owners...but no sign of any hardtop.

They say a little knowledge is dangerous...but in reading up on the early
production of Tigers I thought I have read that they were originally
produced as Roadsters or as the GT Model with a detachable hardtop (Tiger:
An exceptional Motor Car p. 47). That raises a number of questions for meI.

1. Did Tigers come in Roadster and GT Models or did ALL Tigers come with the
detachable hardtop?

2. Was the color of the hardtop contrasting black or same color as body
color?

3. If all Tigers came with hardtops, would a Series III Alpine hardtop be
correct on my early Mk1 Tiger (B9470033) which I believe has the series IV
body? (Just so happens this hardtop has become available locally).

Thanks to all,

Jim Lindner
B9470033
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 13:02:55 2011
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:02:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Nice aftermarket top
Message-ID: <459714.86665.qm@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Website: www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk
Try these guys for a reasonable good looking aftermarket top that is lighter
than original   ...These are popular with the guys that race Tigers as they
are lightweght... Years ago some of the guys from Sunbeam Supreme (and
Rosemary Smith was there) came over to race historic at Seibring  here in
Florida...They raced with these tops on .....Mike

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan  1 13:24:28 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:24:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop
Message-ID: <4D1F8D7C.6050809@roadrunner.com>

I purchased my Tiger new in October,1966 after wanting one since they 
first appeared.  To my knowledge, Tigers were never sold with a hardtop 
standard.  Keep in mind that the marketing idea behind the Tiger was a 
lot of performance for the money, hence the desire to keep the price 
low.  Initially, IIRC, the price was $3599 ("fastest sports car under 
$3600").  The Tigers, after the first few (~200?) had the GT interior 
(which may be the source of the confusion) but not the hardtop which was 
fitted to the Alpine GT.  As has already been noted, you could order a 
hardtop from the factory as an option, in which case it was painted the 
body color.  If you bought it from a dealer, it was black.  If you 
bought it from a guy who thought it was for a Triumph in 1973, as I did, 
it was painted metallic purple.  (It was missing the driver's side rear 
window trim which is still the case, but it only cost $75).  It has 
since been repainted.

Happy New Year to all.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE















`

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Jan  1 16:01:38 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:01:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hardtops
Message-ID: <4d1fb252.59d5.0@thecia.net>

There is some debate whether Rootes actually shipped some Tigers that were not
Gran Turismo models with matching hardtops if they were ordered with the car.


Norm Miller and I have copies of the same b&w photograph from Smart Motors,
Madison, WI showing a truckload of cars being unloaded, circa 1966 (i.e. Tiger
IA's). I maintain that the photo is clear enough that one can find at least
one Tiger with a matching hardtop, and this is the period after Rootes melded
the two models into one with SOME of the GT features on all Tigers. Norm maintains
that Tiger's assembled after the handful available either as Sports Tourer or
Gran Turismo were not available with matching hardtops.

First, for folks who haven't seen a true Gran Turismo model(I'm using Rootes
spelling from the original brochures that featured both the Sports Tourer and
the Gran Turismo) what separates the GT is the area behind the front seats that's
upholstered differently and is missing the front panels of the Sport Tourer
folding top stowage area. When Rootes chose to limit the models of the Tiger,
the full carpeting, wood instrument panel, and wood steering wheel of the GT
was installed while keeping the Sport Tourer folding top and rear upholstery
for the Mark I. For the IA, they added the black padded bolster at shoulder
height on the doors from the GT.

I think all of the brochures from Mark I through the Mark II offered matching
hardtops from the factory when ordered at the same time as the car. What's a
little confusing to some owners is that it was common to piggyback black hardtops
installed on Tigers as a convenient shipping method to parts departments in
the States, according to Wally Swift.

A couple of writers during the period of sales wrote that they specified hardtops
for their cars, and they had to be painted to match(and it was a poor match,
they say).

So, to answer question #1, yes, a handful were available in two models, up to
about the 200th VIN, and by one estimate, the number of Gran Turismo's built
was around 15.

Skipping to question #3, finding a hardtop from an Alpine Series III or later
will probably work. I am told that somewhere in production, the latching design
was changed, and I don't know where the cutoff point for that was. A quick check
of the parts catalogue could not find that change.

Rande Bellman
B382000048LRXE
(originally an Embassy Black car with an Embassy Black hardtop, so that tells
you nothing).

From allanballard at att.net  Sat Jan  1 16:18:44 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hardtops
In-Reply-To: <4d1fb252.59d5.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d1fb252.59d5.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <C21363BF-8345-462D-A7CA-31B620F77311@att.net>

The Alpine S3 and later hardtops definitely work on a Tiger.

I sold the white hardtop off my SIV Alpine "ST" to a Mk2 tiger guy, and the
white top on his red Tiger looks sharp.

Also, I use the black top I bought off a S3 Alpine "ST" on my Mk1a Tiger while
I restore the top
that came on my Tiger.

The PO added vinyl to the top and I am removing it. While not correct, I lean
towards painting it white.

I recall pictures of Tigers I assume to be "works" Tigers with white hardtops
and they contrast nicely with other Rootes paint colors.

Allan Ballard
MK1a
SIV Alpine


On Jan 1, 2011, at 6:01 PM, rande wrote:

> There is some debate whether Rootes actually shipped some Tigers that were
not
> Gran Turismo models with matching hardtops if they were ordered with the
car.
>
>
> Norm Miller and I have copies of the same b&w photograph from Smart Motors,
> Madison, WI showing a truckload of cars being unloaded, circa 1966 (i.e.
Tiger
> IA's). I maintain that the photo is clear enough that one can find at least
> one Tiger with a matching hardtop, and this is the period after Rootes
melded
> the two models into one with SOME of the GT features on all Tigers. Norm
maintains
> that Tiger's assembled after the handful available either as Sports Tourer
or
> Gran Turismo were not available with matching hardtops.
>
> First, for folks who haven't seen a true Gran Turismo model(I'm using
Rootes
> spelling from the original brochures that featured both the Sports Tourer
and
> the Gran Turismo) what separates the GT is the area behind the front seats
that's
> upholstered differently and is missing the front panels of the Sport Tourer
> folding top stowage area. When Rootes chose to limit the models of the
Tiger,
> the full carpeting, wood instrument panel, and wood steering wheel of the
GT
> was installed while keeping the Sport Tourer folding top and rear
upholstery
> for the Mark I. For the IA, they added the black padded bolster at shoulder
> height on the doors from the GT.
>
> I think all of the brochures from Mark I through the Mark II offered
matching
> hardtops from the factory when ordered at the same time as the car. What's
a
> little confusing to some owners is that it was common to piggyback black
hardtops
> installed on Tigers as a convenient shipping method to parts departments in
> the States, according to Wally Swift.
>
> A couple of writers during the period of sales wrote that they specified
hardtops
> for their cars, and they had to be painted to match(and it was a poor
match,
> they say).
>
> So, to answer question #1, yes, a handful were available in two models, up
to
> about the 200th VIN, and by one estimate, the number of Gran Turismo's
built
> was around 15.
>
> Skipping to question #3, finding a hardtop from an Alpine Series III or
later
> will probably work. I am told that somewhere in production, the latching
design
> was changed, and I don't know where the cutoff point for that was. A quick
check
> of the parts catalogue could not find that change.
>
> Rande Bellman
> B382000048LRXE
> (originally an Embassy Black car with an Embassy Black hardtop, so that
tells
> you nothing).
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Sat Jan  1 16:30:35 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 17:30:35 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?hardtops?=
Message-ID: <20110101233008.DB94B18765A@autox.team.net>

My mark 1a was ordered from autosports in Houston with the hardtop and it arrived with one in matching forest green.  The sales order totalled $4111 with ammeter, 
top, backup lights, radio, and traction masters. Seems cheap now!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
Date: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 17:01
Subject: [Tigers] hardtops
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

There is some debate whether Rootes actually shipped some Tigers that were not
Gran Turismo models with matching hardtops if they were ordered with the car.


Norm Miller and I have copies of the same b&w photograph from Smart Motors,
Madison, WI showing a truckload of cars being unloaded, circa 1966 (i.e. Tiger
IA's). I maintain that the photo is clear enough that one can find at least
one Tiger with a matching hardtop, and this is the period after Rootes melded
the two models into one with SOME of the GT features on all Tigers. Norm maintains
that Tiger's assembled after the handful available either as Sports Tourer or
Gran Turismo were not available with matching hardtops.

First, for folks who haven't seen a true Gran Turismo model(I'm using Rootes
spelling from the original brochures that featured both the Sports Tourer and
the Gran Turismo) what separates the GT is the area behind the front seats that's
upholstered differently and is missing the front panels of the Sport Tourer
folding top stowage area. When Rootes chose to limit the models of the Tiger,
the full carpeting, wood instrument panel, and wood steering wheel of the GT
was installed while keeping the Sport Tourer folding top and rear upholstery
for the Mark I. For the IA, they added the black padded bolster at shoulder
height on the doors from the GT.

I think all of the brochures from Mark I through the Mark II offered matching
hardtops from the factory when ordered at the same time as the car. What's a
little confusing to some owners is that it was common to piggyback black hardtops
installed on Tigers as a convenient shipping method to parts departments in
the States, according to Wally Swift.

A couple of writers during the period of sales wrote that they specified hardtops
for their cars, and they had to be painted to match(and it was a poor match,
they say).

So, to answer question #1, yes, a handful were available in two models, up to
about the 200th VIN, and by one estimate, the number of Gran Turismo's built
was around 15.

Skipping to question #3, finding a hardtop from an Alpine Series III or later
will probably work. I am told that somewhere in production, the latching design
was changed, and I don't know where the cutoff point for that was. A quick check
of the parts catalogue could not find that change.

Rande Bellman
B382000048LRXE
(originally an Embassy Black car with an Embassy Black hardtop, so that tells
you nothing).
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat Jan  1 17:37:09 2011
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:37:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hardtops
In-Reply-To: <4d1fb252.59d5.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d1fb252.59d5.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <28C2DFF630B34E4C865E90CA19420473@JPC>

?Thanks to all,

A learning experience as usual.

I am coming to realize that the more unclear an issue is...the more
discussion it generates.

In absorbing the responses from all I think I will forego the hardtop
project. My reasons...

I was originally under the impression the hardtops were pretty much standard
equipment or that most were ordered with one. As it turns out, it seems very
few were ordered that way from the factory. Add to that the lack of any
evidence that says my Tiger ever had a hardtop. So I guess I'll just play
the odds.

By the way, if anybody has a very early Tiger Mk1 (first couple hundred) 
and/or
has photos I would really appreciate taking a look, especially interior
and engine shots. Here are a few photos of mine from a few years back when 
it was owned by Dan Fitzgerald.


http://www.britishv8.org/Other/DanFitzgerald.htm

Thanks,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

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To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Cc: <jliny5 at cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:01 PM
Subject: re: hardtops


>
> There is some debate whether Rootes actually shipped some Tigers that were
> not
> Gran Turismo models with matching hardtops if they were ordered with the
> car.
>
>
> Norm Miller and I have copies of the same b&w photograph from Smart
> Motors,
> Madison, WI showing a truckload of cars being unloaded, circa 1966 (i.e.
> Tiger
> IA's). I maintain that the photo is clear enough that one can find at
> least
> one Tiger with a matching hardtop, and this is the period after Rootes
> melded
> the two models into one with SOME of the GT features on all Tigers. Norm
> maintains
> that Tiger's assembled after the handful available either as Sports Tourer
> or
> Gran Turismo were not available with matching hardtops.
>
> First, for folks who haven't seen a true Gran Turismo model(I'm using
> Rootes
> spelling from the original brochures that featured both the Sports Tourer
> and
> the Gran Turismo) what separates the GT is the area behind the front seats
> that's
> upholstered differently and is missing the front panels of the Sport
> Tourer
> folding top stowage area. When Rootes chose to limit the models of the
> Tiger,
> the full carpeting, wood instrument panel, and wood steering wheel of the
> GT
> was installed while keeping the Sport Tourer folding top and rear
> upholstery
> for the Mark I. For the IA, they added the black padded bolster at
> shoulder
> height on the doors from the GT.
>
> I think all of the brochures from Mark I through the Mark II offered
> matching
> hardtops from the factory when ordered at the same time as the car. What's
> a
> little confusing to some owners is that it was common to piggyback black
> hardtops
> installed on Tigers as a convenient shipping method to parts departments
> in
> the States, according to Wally Swift.
>
> A couple of writers during the period of sales wrote that they specified
> hardtops
> for their cars, and they had to be painted to match(and it was a poor
> match,
> they say).
>
> So, to answer question #1, yes, a handful were available in two models, up
> to
> about the 200th VIN, and by one estimate, the number of Gran Turismo's
> built
> was around 15.
>
> Skipping to question #3, finding a hardtop from an Alpine Series III or
> later
> will probably work. I am told that somewhere in production, the latching
> design
> was changed, and I don't know where the cutoff point for that was. A quick
> check
> of the parts catalogue could not find that change.
>
> Rande Bellman
> B382000048LRXE
> (originally an Embassy Black car with an Embassy Black hardtop, so that
> tells
> you nothing).

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan  1 18:35:12 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 17:35:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] hardtops
In-Reply-To: <20110101233008.DB94B18765A@autox.team.net>
References: <20110101233008.DB94B18765A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4D1FD650.1010100@socal.rr.com>

The dealers, at least in Los Angeles, received their stock from the 
Rootes Central Headquarters on West Pico Blvd. in downtown Los Angeles, 
CA.  Many contributors to the Racing leaning parts were local.

The first was Carroll Shelby's operation near LAX. At a later date, 
Hollywood Sports Cars, under the guidance of Doane Spencer took over 
factory race operations as well as LAT option development. It is 
certainly possible that prototype equipment was installed at this 
Hollywood location, including outfitting of Larry Reed's and Lew 
Spencer's race cars (even though both of them were dealers as well). Ken 
Miles was a race driver of Alpines for Lew Spencer, then both joined 
Carroll Shelby's race team. This information has been verified by era 
participants. At that time, your Editor knew them all, but was more into 
Jaguar, Porsche, and Morgan vehicles.

The Hard tops were straight from Rootes/England all painted black. The 
color can be any Rootes Color (or whatever you wanted), "at slightly 
higher cost!"  This way many more could be sold from less stock in hand.
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/origparts.asp

Although these were NOT LAT options, they were dealer sold parts.
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/DealerAccessCat.asp 


Thanks to David and Gary Franchi fine reproduction of the original 
brochure (in two down loadable versions.

Lot's of old information from older owner's of even older cars!

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/1/11 3:30 PM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> My mark 1a was ordered from autosports in Houston with the hardtop and it arrived with one in matching forest green.  The sales order totalled $4111 with ammeter,
> top, backup lights, radio, and traction masters. Seems cheap now!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "rande"<rande at thecia.net>
> Date: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 17:01
> Subject: [Tigers] hardtops
> To:<tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> There is some debate whether Rootes actually shipped some Tigers that were not
> Gran Turismo models with matching hardtops if they were ordered with the car.

From barncobob at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 19:19:42 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:19:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] tiger top
Message-ID: <8CD783AA5E4FB7D-1880-2C015@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>

i believe the tiger looks better with the hardtop on than off,,but then u cant
hear the exhaust as well.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of tiger 102810 003.jpg]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of tiger 102810 005.jpg]

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  1 20:18:56 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:18:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Factory Hardtop Photo
Message-ID: <3A170038D69C4D1193734EBB9A8A48E6@jeffnicholsPC>

"Norm Miller and I have copies of the same b&w photograph from Smart Motors,

Madison, WI showing a truckload of cars being unloaded, circa 1966 (i.e.
Tiger

IA's). I maintain that the photo is clear enough that one can find at least

one Tiger with a matching hardtop, and this is the period after Rootes
melded

the two models into one with SOME of the GT features on all Tigers. Norm
maintains

that Tiger's assembled after the handful available either as Sports Tourer
or

Gran Turismo were not available with matching hardtops."

 

 

That photo can be found on the Facebook Sunbeam Tiger page or on the Sunbeam
Alpine page:

http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/plugins/p17_image_gallery/popup.php?categoryid=
3
<http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/plugins/p17_image_gallery/popup.php?categoryid
=3&p17_sectionid=1&p17_imageid=142> &p17_sectionid=1&p17_imageid=142

 

 

                                                              Jeff

From milward at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan  1 20:59:06 2011
From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:59:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
Message-ID: <81286A82973642E5B372D37487B8AD12@BillPC>

Our car (Mk1 2703) was delivered with the soft top only. The well known photo
of the cars in the Long Beach warehouse awaiting delivery
http://www.catmbr.org/temp/TU33star1.pdf shows at least the front 8 cars with
the soft tops up, so I suspect that is how most were delivered and only
specially ordered cars came with car colored hard tops. Dealers would sell
black H/Ts or paint them for you for additional profit.

The H/T on our Tiger came from an Alpine - don't remember which, since we put
it on and it fitted so I bought it. Does that mean I have and Alger H/T?

Hardtops have serial numbers ( ours is #1367) and H/T changes and
interchangeability would be a great research project for someone.

BillRo

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Jan  1 21:51:18 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:51:18 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
In-Reply-To: <81286A82973642E5B372D37487B8AD12@BillPC>
References: <81286A82973642E5B372D37487B8AD12@BillPC>
Message-ID: <4D200446.4040809@mayfco.com>

I just learned something..but, where is the HT serial number located on 
the top?

mayf

On 1/1/2011 7:59 PM, Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories wrote:
> Our car (Mk1 2703) was delivered with the soft top only. The well known photo
> of the cars in the Long Beach warehouse awaiting delivery
> http://www.catmbr.org/temp/TU33star1.pdf shows at least the front 8 cars with
> the soft tops up, so I suspect that is how most were delivered and only
> specially ordered cars came with car colored hard tops. Dealers would sell
> black H/Ts or paint them for you for additional profit.
>
> The H/T on our Tiger came from an Alpine - don't remember which, since we put
> it on and it fitted so I bought it. Does that mean I have and Alger H/T?
>
> Hardtops have serial numbers ( ours is #1367) and H/T changes and
> interchangeability would be a great research project for someone.
>
> BillRo
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Jan  1 22:12:39 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:12:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
References: <81286A82973642E5B372D37487B8AD12@BillPC>
Message-ID: <88E79AA598FC4405B7428623C96536C0@student2>

>>>Hardtops have serial numbers<<<

Bill,
  Where are the serial numbers located?  Are they held on with..., dare I 
say...., RIVETS!

Tom 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 01:07:20 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:07:20 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
In-Reply-To: <81286A82973642E5B372D37487B8AD12@BillPC>
References: <81286A82973642E5B372D37487B8AD12@BillPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tCSj4M4N+BE-ot1zhZP_k24LZ2pC1BAS3gs2b@mail.gmail.com>

> Hardtops have serial numbers ( ours is #1367) and H/T changes and
> interchangeability would be a great research project for someone.
>
> BillRo
>

On the later style hardtops i can only think of a few changes:

1. The swicth from smaller to larger chrome buttons on the opening 1/4
windows in an attempt to stop them crazing the windows.

2. Change of the rubber that runs around the rear underside of the top where
it meets the body

3. Addition of small brackets for the soft top cover hooks on SV Alpine and
MKIA/MKII Tigers...

ok... anyone else got some changes?

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 02:44:02 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 01:44:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] seal help
Message-ID: <43598.33025.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Im going nus. I can not get the seal,for both tops that seals against the top
of the wind screen.I get it started and get a couple inches sometimes four and
it comes back out on one side or the other I seem to recall using silicone as
a lubricant and then it is glued in afterwards by the silcone. I may have
dreamed that too. Any help is deeply appreciated.HNY in 2001
 
TonytheTiger      Thanks in advance.
 
Yes, it is wirebrushed ckean

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan  2 07:51:17 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 09:51:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
In-Reply-To: <88E79AA598FC4405B7428623C96536C0@student2>
Message-ID: <8415EC8B181946EB88D40FE4995E7DD4@ronpc1>

Tom
	I recall seeing a number on my hardtop but I did not record it.  It
is stamped into the metal.  I believe it is located near one of the quarter
windows but I last saw it 30 years ago.  I intend to locate it again and
record the number.

Anyone have a hardtop stripped down to paint?   Please look for that number
location.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:13 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtops


>>>Hardtops have serial numbers<<<

Bill,
  Where are the serial numbers located?  Are they held on with..., dare I 
say...., RIVETS!

Tom 
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 09:21:55 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:21:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] seal help
In-Reply-To: <43598.33025.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <577398.59971.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tony,
 
I use a small flat tip screwdriver to install the rubber seal, instead of
trying to slide it. I put one edge of the rubber in the track and then pop in
the opposite edge and work my way along the track. There should also be holes
for a screw near each end of the seal to keep it from coming out, once it is
installed. I then trim it to length.
 
Gary

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jan  2 09:44:37 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 08:44:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] seal help
In-Reply-To: <577398.59971.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <577398.59971.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D20AB75.40006@mayfco.com>

My tool of choice is a popsicle stick.  I use that for all the weather 
striping where needed. And wood is generally softer than the paint and 
certainly duller than a screwdriver...

mayf

On 1/2/2011 8:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I use a small flat tip screwdriver to install the rubber seal, instead of
> trying to slide it. I put one edge of the rubber in the track and then pop in
> the opposite edge and work my way along the track. There should also be holes
> for a screw near each end of the seal to keep it from coming out, once it is
> installed. I then trim it to length.
>
> Gary

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan  2 10:01:10 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] seal help
In-Reply-To: <577398.59971.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0BB8313B7D9A45F191766F50263107DD@ronpc1>

	You can not slide this seal through from one end to the other that
is correct.

	First you lay the seal across the top.  You install the forward edge
of the seal into the track, 2 or 3 inches at a time, then push the rear edge
into the track then continue along. Use a screwdriver or plastic tool to
push the rear edge into the track.  You might be able to get the seal into
the track with just your fingers, I don't recall right now if I could do
that but worth a try.   Some rubber cement might be needed to hold the ends
in place.

	If I remember correctly this can be a tedious job; you just need to
work it slowly.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 11:22 AM
To: Tony Somebody
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] seal help


Tony,

I use a small flat tip screwdriver to install the rubber seal, instead of
trying to slide it. I put one edge of the rubber in the track and then pop
in the opposite edge and work my way along the track. There should also be
holes for a screw near each end of the seal to keep it from coming out, once
it is installed. I then trim it to length.

Gary
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From milward at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan  2 10:36:52 2011
From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 09:36:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Serial Number
Message-ID: <C4E5F4070C7342C5873951C4D8949259@BillPC>

I saw a serial number and made a note when I was restoring the H/T and as I
recall it is underneath at one of the rear corners and could be covered once
you attach the rubber. The decent sized easily readable four number is stamped
into the metal.

BillRo

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan  2 13:33:26 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 12:33:26 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops Improvements
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=tCSj4M4N+BE-ot1zhZP_k24LZ2pC1BAS3gs2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <81286A82973642E5B372D37487B8AD12@BillPC>
	<AANLkTi=tCSj4M4N+BE-ot1zhZP_k24LZ2pC1BAS3gs2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D20E116.9020906@socal.rr.com>

Yes, those were worthwhile changes. Larger 1/4 window buttons, and that 
rear sealing rubber.

I bought these at a CAT meet, as well as replacements for the 
side-window Plexiglas (which does craze).  The larger surface area of 
the new buttons stopped that.

The rear rubber one-piece change fixed a lot of things. The rubber had a 
sealed outer surface, and was foamed inside, fitted the original holding 
grooves.

Since it was one-piece foam under compression , there were no flaps 
sitting on paint to abrade the finish, and flexibility to absorb 
movement (so it does not show any rub scars from moving rubber.)

I really don't know if these were factory changes for models later than 
Mk I.

A real bargain that actually works.


/Steve Laifman/
/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>


On 1/2/11 12:07 AM, michael king wrote:
>> Hardtops have serial numbers ( ours is #1367) and H/T changes and
>> interchangeability would be a great research project for someone.
>>
>> BillRo
>>
>
> On the later style hardtops i can only think of a few changes:
>
> 1. The swicth from smaller to larger chrome buttons on the opening 1/4
> windows in an attempt to stop them crazing the windows.
>
> 2. Change of the rubber that runs around the rear underside of the top 
> where
> it meets the body
>
> 3. Addition of small brackets for the soft top cover hooks on SV 
> Alpine and
> MKIA/MKII Tigers...
>
> ok... anyone else got some changes?
> _______________________________________________

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 14:36:31 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:36:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] seal help
In-Reply-To: <4D20AB75.40006@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <748676.6100.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

THANKS to everyone who replied to my request for help.
I didn't mean to make anyone think I was trying to slide the seal thru. None
the less I will get them in.
I also have a couple of hardtops that where on ebay.They are stripped, w/ no
trim etc.
I will look for numbers the next time I'm in the storage container.
Thanks again, Tony




From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] seal help
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 10:44 AM


My tool of choice is a popsicle stick.  I use that for all the weather
striping where needed. And wood is generally softer than the paint and
certainly duller than a screwdriver...

mayf

On 1/2/2011 8:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I use a small flat tip screwdriver to install the rubber seal, instead of
> trying to slide it. I put one edge of the rubber in the track and then pop
in
> the opposite edge and work my way along the track. There should also be
holes
> for a screw near each end of the seal to keep it from coming out, once it
is
> installed. I then trim it to length.
>
> Gary
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From allanballard at att.net  Sun Jan  2 15:32:02 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:32:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
In-Reply-To: <8415EC8B181946EB88D40FE4995E7DD4@ronpc1>
References: <8415EC8B181946EB88D40FE4995E7DD4@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <F161E7D1-4DEC-404A-8ED4-8CB15DE71980@att.net>

Another hardtop question....

Did any hardtops come from the factory vinyl covered?

I have assumed "no" in the past; and that my hardtop's vinyl covering was put
on by the PO.

HOWEVER...Taylor's book TIGER the making of a sports car...page
182...discusses seven MKII Tigers bought by the dealer
Alan Hartwell.

"The sixth car (which had a vinyl covered hardtop) Hartwell kept for his
personal use..."

??

Perhaps I should restore not remove the vinyl on my hardtop?

Allan Ballard
MK1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine



On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:

> Tom
> 	I recall seeing a number on my hardtop but I did not record it.  It
> is stamped into the metal.  I believe it is located near one of the quarter
> windows but I last saw it 30 years ago.  I intend to locate it again and
> record the number.
>
> Anyone have a hardtop stripped down to paint?   Please look for that number
> location.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:13 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtops
>
>
>>>> Hardtops have serial numbers<<<
>
> Bill,
>  Where are the serial numbers located?  Are they held on with..., dare I
> say...., RIVETS!
>
> Tom
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From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Jan  2 17:36:34 2011
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
In-Reply-To: <F161E7D1-4DEC-404A-8ED4-8CB15DE71980@att.net>
References: <8415EC8B181946EB88D40FE4995E7DD4@ronpc1>
	<F161E7D1-4DEC-404A-8ED4-8CB15DE71980@att.net>
Message-ID: <08F137F0A6D64836A3AB01BF8E3F06D7@DavePC>

It appears these hard tops are as  difficult to restore to original as the 
Tigers themselves!

I have a question about hard tops that hasn't yet come up. While looking 
over the many beautiful Tigers at the TEAE Meet in Maine last Oct., there 
were several were fitted with hard tops. Some were obviously the rounded 
early tops, while there were many more of the later type. But there were at 
least a couple that looked like the later version, but which were not a good 
fit with the door roll-up windows, which overlapped the quarter lite frames.

What was the origin of these otherwise nice looking tops?

Very strange....

Dave



Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtops


> Another hardtop question....
>
> Did any hardtops come from the factory vinyl covered?
>
> I have assumed "no" in the past; and that my hardtop's vinyl covering was 
> put
> on by the PO.
>
> HOWEVER...Taylor's book TIGER the making of a sports car...page
> 182...discusses seven MKII Tigers bought by the dealer
> Alan Hartwell.
>
> "The sixth car (which had a vinyl covered hardtop) Hartwell kept for his
> personal use..."
>
> ??
>
> Perhaps I should restore not remove the vinyl on my hardtop?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> SIV Alpine

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sun Jan  2 17:56:46 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:56:46 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
In-Reply-To: <08F137F0A6D64836A3AB01BF8E3F06D7@DavePC>
References: <8415EC8B181946EB88D40FE4995E7DD4@ronpc1>
	<F161E7D1-4DEC-404A-8ED4-8CB15DE71980@att.net>,
	<08F137F0A6D64836A3AB01BF8E3F06D7@DavePC>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1A96846@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I have a hardtop partially assembled at this point... and IIRC the door
windows overlap the quarterwindow frames. That's just the way they're supposed
to go together. Rounded hardtops with a wraparound rear window are either
S1/S2 Alpine hardtops, or else they are fiberglass aftermarket tops.

Cheers,
Theo
________________________________________
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Dave Munroe [dave at munroe.ca]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:36 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtops

It appears these hard tops are as  difficult to restore to original as the
Tigers themselves!

I have a question about hard tops that hasn't yet come up. While looking
over the many beautiful Tigers at the TEAE Meet in Maine last Oct., there
were several were fitted with hard tops. Some were obviously the rounded
early tops, while there were many more of the later type. But there were at
least a couple that looked like the later version, but which were not a good
fit with the door roll-up windows, which overlapped the quarter lite frames.

What was the origin of these otherwise nice looking tops?

Very strange....

Dave



Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtops


> Another hardtop question....
>
> Did any hardtops come from the factory vinyl covered?
>
> I have assumed "no" in the past; and that my hardtop's vinyl covering was
> put
> on by the PO.
>
> HOWEVER...Taylor's book TIGER the making of a sports car...page
> 182...discusses seven MKII Tigers bought by the dealer
> Alan Hartwell.
>
> "The sixth car (which had a vinyl covered hardtop) Hartwell kept for his
> personal use..."
>
> ??
>
> Perhaps I should restore not remove the vinyl on my hardtop?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 18:25:01 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:25:01 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
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References: <8415EC8B181946EB88D40FE4995E7DD4@ronpc1>
	<F161E7D1-4DEC-404A-8ED4-8CB15DE71980@att.net>
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On 3 January 2011 09:32, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> Another hardtop question....
>
> Did any hardtops come from the factory vinyl covered?
>
> I have assumed "no" in the past; and that my hardtop's vinyl covering was
> put
> on by the PO.
>
> HOWEVER...Taylor's book TIGER the making of a sports car...page
> 182...discusses seven MKII Tigers bought by the dealer
> Alan Hartwell.
>
> "The sixth car (which had a vinyl covered hardtop) Hartwell kept for his
> personal use..."
>
> Allan,

None of the tops came from the factory with a vynil covered top, however it
was a popular period modification on the cars, As for the Hartwell 6, all
those mKII's got speced up with options, tech-del minilite wheels and in the
case of the baby spew green MKII (factory called it orchid) it got a vynil
top, that was the last Tiger made. Thought there was the bluw MKII that was
for sale in the UK that was a hartwell car and i am not sure if that was the
one owned by hartwell as oposed to the last tiger.


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Jan  3 04:29:59 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:29:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4d21b337.5103.0@thecia.net>

">
> Did any hardtops come from the factory vinyl covered?
>
> I have assumed "no" in the past; and that my hardtop's vinyl covering was

> put
> on by the PO.
>
> HOWEVER...Taylor's book TIGER the making of a sports car...page
> 182...discusses seven MKII Tigers bought by the dealer
> Alan Hartwell.
>
> "The sixth car (which had a vinyl covered hardtop) Hartwell kept for his
> personal use..."

By my records, there's no mention of who performed the vinyl covering installation
for Alan's Mark II. It's been photographed at least thrice for publication:
For the first edition(1979) of Mike Taylors book, for the cover and inside article
for Thoroughbred & Classic magazine February 1979 (reg# TNT9), and the January
1996 Thoroughbred & Classic (now reg# TGR 747) and now owned by Brian Postle.
Also, it's no longer Orchid Green, according to Brian. I think someone else
told me it's now some shade of blue and was changed about five years ago. Incidently,
the last Mark II serial number(VIN)#633 belongs to another Orchid Green Mark
II, owned by Graham Vickery. It sports the standard steel wheel, trim ring,
and hub cap look, and is rarely photographed with a hardtop, and I don't think
its vinyl covered. Graham can correct me if I'm wrong. I can dig up Brians serial
number later, I'm off to work.

RB

From w_pierzga at msn.com  Mon Jan  3 11:21:34 2011
From: w_pierzga at msn.com (Wayne-MSN)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22.1293994802.16015.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.22.1293994802.16015.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <COL121-DS2050FA0E5E9CEE370771C89F070@phx.gbl>

Hi:

I am unhappy with the hard rubber seals between the body and the hardtop.
The hard rubber is not pliable enough to make a good seal. And, dirt that
inevitably collects between the seal and the body scratches the body paint. 

Is there a better solution? 

Cheers,

Wayne

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  3 12:12:07 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:12:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
In-Reply-To: <COL121-DS2050FA0E5E9CEE370771C89F070@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <106611.46412.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I use clear bra type plastic film to protect the paint. Comes off with no
damage.  Gary B9472283 tac 311
--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Wayne-MSN <w_pierzga at msn.com> wrote:

From: Wayne-MSN <w_pierzga at msn.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 6:21 PM

Hi:

I am unhappy with the hard rubber seals between the body and the hardtop.
The hard rubber is not pliable enough to make a good seal. And, dirt that
inevitably collects between the seal and the body scratches the body paint.

Is there a better solution?

Cheers,

Wayne
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Jan  3 12:29:12 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:29:12 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Finally found rear disk brakes!
In-Reply-To: <4d21b337.5103.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d21b337.5103.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <001501cbab7c$8036f1d0$80a4d570$@rr.com>

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/035.jpg


Finding 79-85 RX7 GSL (FB) rear brakes is not easy. I joined a RX7 forum and
found these from a guy parting out his car. Everything is in great shape
(even the rotors) and will need some cleaning and painting. No red brakes on
my Tiger thank you. 

I paid $250 shipped for all.......except the SS brake lines. I found those
from another member.

Winter project #2 is started!

Duke
B382002037

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Jan  3 14:00:35 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:00:35 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtops
In-Reply-To: <08F137F0A6D64836A3AB01BF8E3F06D7@DavePC>
References: <8415EC8B181946EB88D40FE4995E7DD4@ronpc1>
	<F161E7D1-4DEC-404A-8ED4-8CB15DE71980@att.net>
	<08F137F0A6D64836A3AB01BF8E3F06D7@DavePC>
Message-ID: <4D2238F3.3030605@socal.rr.com>

Dave,

I have had three hardtops.  I is the squared/off  later version, with 
the added larger buttons and rubber seal, as described before.   The 
other is now my Daughters S-2 Alpine that is all aluminum, wrap-around 
rear window, crash box. Jay's S-5 has the squared-off version.

There was an aftermarket version what was fiberglass, pebble grain 
surface, and, if I recall correctly, the wrap around rear window.

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman6.asp

and:

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman7.asp

Have your sound on - great music.  (oh yes, the full article begins on:

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp

Steve



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On 1/2/11 4:36 PM, Dave Munroe wrote:
> It appears these hard tops are as  difficult to restore to original as 
> the Tigers themselves!
>
> I have a question about hard tops that hasn't yet come up. While 
> looking over the many beautiful Tigers at the TEAE Meet in Maine last 
> Oct., there were several were fitted with hard tops. Some were 
> obviously the rounded early tops, while there were many more of the 
> later type. But there were at least a couple that looked like the 
> later version, but which were not a good fit with the door roll-up 
> windows, which overlapped the quarter lite frames.
>
> What was the origin of these otherwise nice looking tops?
>
> Very strange....
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtops
>
>
>> Another hardtop question....
>>
>> Did any hardtops come from the factory vinyl covered?
>>
>> I have assumed "no" in the past; and that my hardtop's vinyl covering 
>> was put
>> on by the PO.
>>
>> HOWEVER...Taylor's book TIGER the making of a sports car...page
>> 182...discusses seven MKII Tigers bought by the dealer
>> Alan Hartwell.
>>
>> "The sixth car (which had a vinyl covered hardtop) Hartwell kept for his
>> personal use..."
>>
>> ??
>>
>> Perhaps I should restore not remove the vinyl on my hardtop?
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> MK1-a Tiger
>> SIV Alpine
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 15:56:38 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:56:38 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
In-Reply-To: <106611.46412.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <COL121-DS2050FA0E5E9CEE370771C89F070@phx.gbl>
	<106611.46412.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Doesnt SS sell some of the 3M film pre-cut to the hardtop shape?

On 4 January 2011 06:12, <arado7 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I use clear bra type plastic film to protect the paint. Comes off with no
> damage.  Gary B9472283 tac 311
> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Wayne-MSN <w_pierzga at msn.com> wrote:
>
> From: Wayne-MSN <w_pierzga at msn.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 6:21 PM
>
> Hi:
>
> I am unhappy with the hard rubber seals between the body and the hardtop.
> The hard rubber is not pliable enough to make a good seal. And, dirt that
> inevitably collects between the seal and the body scratches the body paint.
>
> Is there a better solution?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 16:31:20 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:31:20 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4d21b337.5103.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d21b337.5103.0@thecia.net>
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Rande,

Im quite sure i have seen the last MKII photographed with a vynil covered
hardtop, was in an article in about 1996 with a finned red SII Alpine and
the MKII.

On 3 January 2011 22:29, rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote:

> ">
> > Did any hardtops come from the factory vinyl covered?
> >
> > I have assumed "no" in the past; and that my hardtop's vinyl covering was
>
> > put
> > on by the PO.
> >
> > HOWEVER...Taylor's book TIGER the making of a sports car...page
> > 182...discusses seven MKII Tigers bought by the dealer
> > Alan Hartwell.
> >
> > "The sixth car (which had a vinyl covered hardtop) Hartwell kept for his
> > personal use..."
>
> By my records, there's no mention of who performed the vinyl covering
> installation
> for Alan's Mark II. It's been photographed at least thrice for publication:
> For the first edition(1979) of Mike Taylors book, for the cover and inside
> article
> for Thoroughbred & Classic magazine February 1979 (reg# TNT9), and the
> January
> 1996 Thoroughbred & Classic (now reg# TGR 747) and now owned by Brian
> Postle.
> Also, it's no longer Orchid Green, according to Brian. I think someone else
> told me it's now some shade of blue and was changed about five years ago.
> Incidently,
> the last Mark II serial number(VIN)#633 belongs to another Orchid Green
> Mark
> II, owned by Graham Vickery. It sports the standard steel wheel, trim ring,
> and hub cap look, and is rarely photographed with a hardtop, and I don't
> think
> its vinyl covered. Graham can correct me if I'm wrong. I can dig up Brians
> serial
> number later, I'm off to work.
>
> RB
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Michael King

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Jan  3 20:38:04 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:38:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brian Postle's car
Message-ID: <4d22961c.5b66.0@thecia.net>

Hi, Michael

I've enclosed a scan of the January 1996 issue cover of Thoroughbred & Classic
Cars magazine, which features Brian Postle's Mark II (Orchid Green) and a red
Alpine Series II, both with their tops stowed. Brian's car, with the black vinyl
covered hardtop installed, appears inside in a photograph as part of the article.
Sorry, Tiger list subscribers, the attachment may not transmit. For Tiger listers,
you can see a smaller version by going to the www.ebay.co.uk site , searching
for 'sunbeam tiger' and looking for copies of this issue. For everyone, I recommend
this issue, as well as the July 1996 issue of Classic & Sports Car magazine
with an excellent article just on the Mark II, and both appear often on the
UK site of eBay for very reasonable money.

Because there is some question about the difference between Brian Postle's car,
Graham Vickery's car, the Hartwell Six, and the very last Tiger Mark II's manufactured,
I'll first start with the FIVE Hartwell Six cars that I'M aware of:

B382100559LRX   JAL700447 reg# UXP312F   M. Greisman   Red
B382100570LRX   JAL700468 reg# MEL957F
B382100604LRX   JAL700489 reg# TPF356F   D. Smallridge 86
B382100605LRX   JAL700510 reg# TGR747    B. Postle     109
B382100631LRX   JAL700532 reg# NLL218E   A. Naylor     Red

Now, Graham Vickery's car is:

B382100633      JAL700531 reg# HRS121E   J. Day        109

First, I have read that the JAL number affixed by Pressed Steel early in the
manufacturing process is a better indicator of the order of assembly than the
I.D./VIN tag that was affixed at Jensen(B3821.....) and which was not always
installed in a consecutive manner.

Also, the Book of Norman, where much of this information originated, lists something
called the Jensen date, and this an additional factor in determining the order
of manufacture. In the case of Brian Postle's car(#605) that date is 5/26/67(using
the US date sequence) and Graham Vickery's(#633) date is 6/27/67 which it shares
with three other Mark II's(#631, #629, and #628)and which is the latest Jensen
date recorded.

I hope this clears some of this discussion up. Finally, the late John Day was
the recorded owner of B382100633 when the Book of Norman went to press.

RB

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of C & Thoroughbred.jpg]

From w_pierzga at msn.com  Tue Jan  4 10:57:11 2011
From: w_pierzga at msn.com (Wayne-MSN)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:57:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=f8gYqZuF=+ikKrmJ_FOiFRyGCfGFy=Dx_9kHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <COL121-DS2050FA0E5E9CEE370771C89F070@phx.gbl><106611.46412.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=f8gYqZuF=+ikKrmJ_FOiFRyGCfGFy=Dx_9kHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-DS12C3C8714B712F96442439F080@phx.gbl>

Mike:

 

Thanks for your suggestion. I spoke with Rick at SS regarding the 3M film.
Apparently, a Tiger club in AZ commissioned a limited production run in the
late '90s. Rick sold-out his stock some time back and has not sourced a
replacement. 

 

Please let me know if you have a suggestion for an alternate source.

 

The 3M film approach is just a band-aid, not a proper solution. I think the
hard-rubber/poor seal issue is a problem that all Sunbeamers with hardtops
face. Consequently, I believe a good solution will find a very receptive
audience: i.e. a market of perhaps a few hundred.  

 

I think the solution is a one-piece molded foam rubber seal that extends all
the way around the base of the hardtop from behind the hold-down clamps
beneath the pop-out windows. The rubber would press-fit into the existing
side and rear molding channels and the corners either glued or held in place
by the exiting screw-in triangular metal molding retainers. 

 

Perhaps there is someone on the list that is familiar with foam rubber
fabrication and can suggest a way forward?

 

Cheers,

 

Wayne

 

  _____  

From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:57 PM
To: arado7 at sbcglobal.net
Cc: Wayne-MSN; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal

 

Doesnt SS sell some of the 3M film pre-cut to the hardtop shape?

On 4 January 2011 06:12, <arado7 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I use clear bra type plastic film to protect the paint. Comes off with no
damage.  Gary B9472283 tac 311
--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Wayne-MSN <w_pierzga at msn.com> wrote:

From: Wayne-MSN <w_pierzga at msn.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 6:21 PM


Hi:

I am unhappy with the hard rubber seals between the body and the hardtop.
The hard rubber is not pliable enough to make a good seal. And, dirt that
inevitably collects between the seal and the body scratches the body paint.

Is there a better solution?

Cheers,

Wayne
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Jan  4 11:06:36 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:06:36 EST
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <e9807.deab4ac.3a54bbac@aol.com>

In the 60's and 70's some American car were available from the factory  
with vinyl tops.  One dealer that  I knew told me he never  ordered vinyl from 
the factory because he then needed extra  inventory.  If someone wanted 
vinyl he had it installed locally.  Plus  much larger mark-up on the  locally 
installed vinyl.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2011 6:54:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

Rande,

Im quite sure i have seen the last MKII photographed  with a vynil covered
hardtop, was in an article in about 1996 with a finned  red SII Alpine and
the MKII.

On 3 January 2011 22:29, rande  <rande at thecia.net> wrote:

> ">
> > Did any  hardtops come from the factory vinyl covered?
> >
> > I have  assumed "no" in the past; and that my hardtop's vinyl covering  
was
>
> > put
> > on by the PO.
> >
>  > HOWEVER...Taylor's book TIGER the making of a sports car...page
>  > 182...discusses seven MKII Tigers bought by the dealer
> > Alan  Hartwell.
> >
> > "The sixth car (which had a vinyl covered  hardtop) Hartwell kept for 
his
> > personal use..."
>
>  By my records, there's no mention of who performed the vinyl covering
>  installation
> for Alan's Mark II. It's been photographed at least  thrice for 
publication:
> For the first edition(1979) of Mike Taylors  book, for the cover and 
inside
> article
> for Thoroughbred &  Classic magazine February 1979 (reg# TNT9), and the
> January
>  1996 Thoroughbred & Classic (now reg# TGR 747) and now owned by  Brian
> Postle.
> Also, it's no longer Orchid Green, according to  Brian. I think someone 
else
> told me it's now some shade of blue and  was changed about five years ago.
> Incidently,
> the last Mark II  serial number(VIN)#633 belongs to another Orchid Green
> Mark
>  II, owned by Graham Vickery. It sports the standard steel wheel, trim  
ring,
> and hub cap look, and is rarely photographed with a hardtop, and  I don't
> think
> its vinyl covered. Graham can correct me if I'm  wrong. I can dig up 
Brians
> serial
> number later, I'm off to  work.
>
> RB
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan  4 16:52:32 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:52:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
In-Reply-To: <COL121-DS12C3C8714B712F96442439F080@phx.gbl>
References: <COL121-DS2050FA0E5E9CEE370771C89F070@phx.gbl><106611.46412.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=f8gYqZuF=+ikKrmJ_FOiFRyGCfGFy=Dx_9kHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL121-DS12C3C8714B712F96442439F080@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D23B2C0.7070204@socal.rr.com>

Wayne,

SS would be the place I'd check first, because he has been an reliable 
enthusiast.  I am not sure that the seals I purchased from a CAT meeting 
weren't Rick's or Tiger Mk II.  Certainly M II owners with hard tops 
would know.

As I stated in my post, these are a truly great solution to a vexing 
problem.

MUST be an alternate somewhere, as there is only ONE rubber piece, and 
no attach issues, as it uses the same metal "U" shaped holders already 
on the top.

Another enthusiast and a source is Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts, in NY.

http://www.classicsunbeam.com/

Kurt has them under "WS113" Hardtop to Body Seal. for $20.  There are 
also other hardtop and convertible top seals listed.  Kurt is a dedicate 
enthusiast of Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger parts.
607-432-2662 Tech line    -   800-24-SUNBEAM order line -  607-432-2110  FAX

http://www.classicsunbeam.com/asp/dyncat.asp?which=classun&p1=initial&p2=Weatherstripping 
<http://www.classicsunbeam.com/asp/dyncat.asp?which=classun&p1=initial&p2=Weatherstripping>

Call and ask Curt if the ones they carry are as I've described mine.

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/4/11 9:57 AM, Wayne-MSN wrote:
> Mike:
>
>
> Thanks for your suggestion. I spoke with Rick at SS regarding the 3M film.
> Apparently, a Tiger club in AZ commissioned a limited production run in the
> late '90s. Rick sold-out his stock some time back and has not sourced a
> replacement.
>
> Please let me know if you have a suggestion for an alternate source.
>
> The 3M film approach is just a band-aid, not a proper solution. I think the
> hard-rubber/poor seal issue is a problem that all Sunbeamers with hardtops
> face. Consequently, I believe a good solution will find a very receptive
> audience: i.e. a market of perhaps a few hundred.
>
> I think the solution is a one-piece molded foam rubber seal that extends all
> the way around the base of the hardtop from behind the hold-down clamps
> beneath the pop-out windows. The rubber would press-fit into the existing
> side and rear molding channels and the corners either glued or held in place
> by the exiting screw-in triangular metal molding retainers.
>
> Perhaps there is someone on the list that is familiar with foam rubber
> fabrication and can suggest a way forward?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 20:50:01 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:50:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] shipping hardtop
Message-ID: <799875.23540.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The occasion has arisen that a fellow Tiger owner needs a top in better shape
than his. I have a couple of stripped down shells, Not in perfect shape but
one is in better shape than the other or his. The problem is shipping. Anyone
have any experience shipping a hardtop or any recommendations where we should
check to get a price etc.
All help is appreciated.
Tony Lang    (for the folks who don't know my last name)
B9473317 Ive never posted my Vin but perhaps a member has 3316 or 3318
I don't remember the TAC number and had to look the Vin up. Who says your
memory is the first thing to go- I think it was/is my mind.PS- I found no
numbers but one top had the corners cut off and the other had been sanded on.
Perhaps they might have been in those areas if they existed.

From bobdixon at frii.com  Tue Jan  4 21:35:29 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:35:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] shipping hardtop
References: <799875.23540.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4115FDCD54D6453AA1E76E54416885EA@BobsDell>

I have heard that Greyhound will ship bulky items pretty cheaply.  I haven't 
tried it myself but I know guys ship Formula Vee body panels that way a lot.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: [Tigers] shipping hardtop


> The occasion has arisen that a fellow Tiger owner needs a top in better 
> shape
> than his. I have a couple of stripped down shells, Not in perfect shape 
> but
> one is in better shape than the other or his. The problem is shipping. 
> Anyone
> have any experience shipping a hardtop or any recommendations where we 
> should
> check to get a price etc.
> All help is appreciated.
> Tony Lang    (for the folks who don't know my last name)
> B9473317 Ive never posted my Vin but perhaps a member has 3316 or 3318
> I don't remember the TAC number and had to look the Vin up. Who says your
> memory is the first thing to go- I think it was/is my mind.PS- I found no
> numbers but one top had the corners cut off and the other had been sanded 
> on.
> Perhaps they might have been in those areas if they existed.

From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  5 08:41:20 2011
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 07:41:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Shipping HTP
Message-ID: <960811.96269.qm@web161408.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Greyhound wont work....The item need to fit into the lower storage bin of the
Bus...HT  is too large...I have used  USHIP.com with success....you list the
item (pic, Height, weight ect) and the pick up and delivery areas...and
independant ruckers and delivery guys bid on the job....You accept the one you
want....FYI I have an extra HTP I will sell...it has some rust and will need
full resto...I am in Florida

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From: member at linkedin.com (Dave Munroe via LinkedIn)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Dave Munroe wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
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From mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  5 14:04:07 2011
From: mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net (Mike Baskette)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:04:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1294254004.22904.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <619541.93969.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Concerning the shipping of the hardtop.  I don't know what the dimensions of
the top are but if it can fit on a pallet, pallets come in all sizes, then
build a plywood surround with a lid.  R+L Carriers just did a job for me and
all went perfect.  They went to the fellows house, picked up the pallet and
delivered it.  Painless.



-************************************

From macdonald49 at shaw.ca  Wed Jan  5 23:46:42 2011
From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:46:42 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 3M Film
Message-ID: <427A216E-4861-4430-9C87-D865FA9C0C5A@shaw.ca>

There is more than one type of film available. One of my colleagues  
wanted to protect his newly painted motorcycle (specifically the gas  
tank) from his tank bag straps on a long trip so put some film on  
that clings and will peel off without any glue used. Also perhaps  
useful for a "temporary car bra" to protect your fresh paint while  
traveling to a Tiger meet!!

Check out some of your local providers. You could probably use more  
than one layer of film if you wished to try it or even replace it  
regularly if it seemed to be wearing through.

Peter MacDonald

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  6 04:15:11 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 03:15:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] 3M Film
In-Reply-To: <427A216E-4861-4430-9C87-D865FA9C0C5A@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <658184.16826.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

To continue the subject I used the "clear bra" film purchased on ebay for my
Chrysler crossfire nose. Tedious job installing but protects from stone chips.
Peel and stick. Used left over on my Tiger hardtop arena. It's transparent so
precision pattern is not required.It protects the paint against abrasion. peel
off and no paint damage on my 30 yr. lacquer.   Gary  B9472283 tac311

--- On Thu, 1/6/11, Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca> wrote:

From: Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca>
Subject: [Tigers] 3M Film
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 6:46 AM

There is more than one type of film available. One of my colleagues wanted to
protect his newly painted motorcycle (specifically the gas tank) from his tank
bag straps on a long trip so put some film on that clings and will peel off
without any glue used. Also perhaps useful for a "temporary car bra" to
protect your fresh paint while traveling to a Tiger meet!!

Check out some of your local providers. You could probably use more than one
layer of film if you wished to try it or even replace it regularly if it
seemed to be wearing through.

Peter MacDonald
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Jan  6 08:48:01 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 9:48:01 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
In-Reply-To: <20101226151931.JG0L9.79800.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
Message-ID: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>

I will be using a manual choke on the 4100 (1.12) that will be on my 347.

I am in search of a choke knob that will match the lighter and washer knobs.  Preferably with a "C" on it.  Any have any good leads.  I went through the Moss catalog with no luck.

TIA,
Duke B382002037

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan  6 10:31:20 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 12:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
In-Reply-To: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
Message-ID: <081A8A3A79CA4964A93AD14FFCFEBE6F@ronpc1>

Duke
	Some of the cigar light kits at the Parts stores have a similar knob
which might be acceptable to you.
Otherwise you would need to go to import car Pick a Part lot to find a knob.
If you truly need a C on the knob; engrave a C into the knob and paint it
white.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:48 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable


I will be using a manual choke on the 4100 (1.12) that will be on my 347.

I am in search of a choke knob that will match the lighter and washer knobs.
Preferably with a "C" on it.  Any have any good leads.  I went through the
Moss catalog with no luck.

TIA,
Duke B382002037
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 12:00:28 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:00:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
In-Reply-To: <081A8A3A79CA4964A93AD14FFCFEBE6F@ronpc1>
References: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
	<081A8A3A79CA4964A93AD14FFCFEBE6F@ronpc1>
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If you're running a Holley Carb try Holley PN: 45-228. The bad news is it
has "Holley" on the knob. Mr. Gasket sells one with a blank knob if you want
to follow Ron's excellent advice.

Tom

' 67 Mark 2. Born to be a driver car, not a show car.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Duke
>        Some of the cigar light kits at the Parts stores have a similar knob
> which might be acceptable to you.
> Otherwise you would need to go to import car Pick a Part lot to find a
> knob.
> If you truly need a C on the knob; engrave a C into the knob and paint it
> white.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:48 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
>
>
> I will be using a manual choke on the 4100 (1.12) that will be on my 347.
>
> I am in search of a choke knob that will match the lighter and washer
> knobs.
> Preferably with a "C" on it.  Any have any good leads.  I went through the
> Moss catalog with no luck.
>
> TIA,
> Duke B382002037
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From allanballard at att.net  Thu Jan  6 12:23:02 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
In-Reply-To: <081A8A3A79CA4964A93AD14FFCFEBE6F@ronpc1>
References: <081A8A3A79CA4964A93AD14FFCFEBE6F@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <F057DC4B-47C7-4260-A556-11CCB6C9022C@att.net>

I used an Alpine choke cable/knob assembly for my Tiger's  Edelbrock manual
choke carb.

It matches perfectly.

I found a NOS assembly on ebay but the assemblies in good, clean used
condition should be readily available from
used part vendors.

I can recommend a vendor or two if you wish; just wrote me off-list.

Allan Ballard
MK1a Tiger
SIV Alpine


I found a NOS on
On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Ron Fraser wrote:

> Duke
> 	Some of the cigar light kits at the Parts stores have a similar knob
> which might be acceptable to you.
> Otherwise you would need to go to import car Pick a Part lot to find a
knob.
> If you truly need a C on the knob; engrave a C into the knob and paint it
> white.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:48 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
>
>
> I will be using a manual choke on the 4100 (1.12) that will be on my 347.
>
> I am in search of a choke knob that will match the lighter and washer
knobs.
> Preferably with a "C" on it.  Any have any good leads.  I went through the
> Moss catalog with no luck.
>
> TIA,
> Duke B382002037
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan  6 12:23:11 2011
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:23:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
In-Reply-To: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
References: <20101226151931.JG0L9.79800.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
	<20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
Message-ID: <000301cbadd7$28c98360$7a5c8a20$@com>

Duke,
Find someone with an Alpine parts car and remove the choke cable assembly from
that.  The knob, dash-mount, and flexible cable are all one assembly.  Don't
remember whether there's a 'C' or not.  The hole in the Alpine dash for the
choke has a "CHOKE" legend.  The OEM Tiger dash doesn't have that.

Will-B382001570

Will Seay_____________
wseay at embarqmail.com


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:48 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable

I will be using a manual choke on the 4100 (1.12) that will be on my 347.

I am in search of a choke knob that will match the lighter and washer knobs.
Preferably with a "C" on it.  Any have any good leads.  I went through the Moss
catalog with no luck.

TIA,
Duke B382002037
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From allanballard at att.net  Thu Jan  6 12:52:21 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:52:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
In-Reply-To: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
References: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
Message-ID: <09C9FC7A-3361-4CFC-BADE-9177377F5965@att.net>

The aluminum heads I am looking at have square ports.

The square ports are approx. the same size on all sides as the long side of
the rectangular ports on a stock iron 289 head.

Can the ports on CAT headers be enlarged?

Is there enough 'meat' to grind them out to match larger ports on an aluminum
head?

Allan Ballard
MK1-a Tiger

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan  6 13:21:20 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
Message-ID: <4D262440.4000802@roadrunner.com>

Duke:

The Alpines used a choke knob and cable with an engraved "C".  Look for 
one on ebay or other usual sources.  I use one that says "Holley" which 
is not a bad match but hardly authentic.

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 14:06:08 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:06:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
In-Reply-To: <09C9FC7A-3361-4CFC-BADE-9177377F5965@att.net>
References: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
	<09C9FC7A-3361-4CFC-BADE-9177377F5965@att.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=HM8Qf0pumTQ_Z+-fsDA62f+GUF0pZiTeQD6R8@mail.gmail.com>

Allan,

What size heads are you looking at? There are size constraints built into
the Tiger.

I'm using Edelbrock E-Street heads (not planning on racing or anything
extravagant) with Sunbeam Specialties headers. They're the same size
externally as the Edelbock Performer heads but without the polishing. I
measured against the stock heads, same external dimensions, larger
rectangular ports. The headers were about the same size as the Edelbrock
ports.

If memory serves Ford Windsor size heads wont fit under the Tiger firewall
(I'm sure you know this but it bears repeating) and the Edelbrock Performer
RPM Intake manifold is too tall to allow the carb to fit under the stock
hood. See Tim suddard's article in Classic Motorsports.

Looking at my SS headers I have to say no, they can't be enlarged. The tubes
are so wide that they used 1/8" hex head bolts and it was impossible to get
a socket on two of them. If you were to "square up the ports on the stock
Ford heads you'd be into the bolt holes.

I can send you pictures offline if you wish showing the port size of the
E-Street heasd and stock Ford heads. I think rthey'll show what I'm trying
to explain.

Tom

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> The aluminum heads I am looking at have square ports.
>
> The square ports are approx. the same size on all sides as the long side of
> the rectangular ports on a stock iron 289 head.
>
> Can the ports on CAT headers be enlarged?
>
> Is there enough 'meat' to grind them out to match larger ports on an
> aluminum
> head?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
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From allanballard at att.net  Thu Jan  6 14:18:05 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:18:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=HM8Qf0pumTQ_Z+-fsDA62f+GUF0pZiTeQD6R8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
	<09C9FC7A-3361-4CFC-BADE-9177377F5965@att.net>
	<AANLkTi=HM8Qf0pumTQ_Z+-fsDA62f+GUF0pZiTeQD6R8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B212D1A-463F-4290-A62B-2E666C460573@att.net>

Tom,

Pictures would be great.

The heads are Edelbrock Performer heads.

Based on another email, the CATs are 1.25 in. x 1.48 and my tape measure
records 1 1/4 x 1 1.4 for
the heads.

Allkan


On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Tom Parker wrote:

> Allan,
>
> What size heads are you looking at? There are size constraints built into
the Tiger.
>
> I'm using Edelbrock E-Street heads (not planning on racing or anything
extravagant) with Sunbeam Specialties headers. They're the same size
externally as the Edelbock Performer heads but without the polishing. I
measured against the stock heads, same external dimensions, larger rectangular
ports. The headers were about the same size as the Edelbrock ports.
>
> If memory serves Ford Windsor size heads wont fit under the Tiger firewall
(I'm sure you know this but it bears repeating) and the Edelbrock Performer
RPM Intake manifold is too tall to allow the carb to fit under the stock hood.
See Tim suddard's article in Classic Motorsports.
>
> Looking at my SS headers I have to say no, they can't be enlarged. The tubes
are so wide that they used 1/8" hex head bolts and it was impossible to get a
socket on two of them. If you were to "square up the ports on the stock Ford
heads you'd be into the bolt holes.
>
> I can send you pictures offline if you wish showing the port size of the
E-Street heasd and stock Ford heads. I think rthey'll show what I'm trying to
explain.
>
> Tom
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
> The aluminum heads I am looking at have square ports.
>
> The square ports are approx. the same size on all sides as the long side of
> the rectangular ports on a stock iron 289 head.
>
> Can the ports on CAT headers be enlarged?
>
> Is there enough 'meat' to grind them out to match larger ports on an
aluminum
> head?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> _______________________________________________
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu Jan  6 14:28:36 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 13:28:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
In-Reply-To: <09C9FC7A-3361-4CFC-BADE-9177377F5965@att.net>
References: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
	<09C9FC7A-3361-4CFC-BADE-9177377F5965@att.net>
Message-ID: <F15F543B5AC7457AADBB09D23E92D435@BucksLaptop>

The flange on CAT headers match the early 351 Windsor head, not the the 
smaller 260 or 289 head. The FelPro 1415 gasket is used for both. The shape 
of the port in the gasket is the shape of the port on the headers.

Most aftermarket aluminum heads are also patterned off the 351 Windsor head.

Buck Trippel



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
To: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 11:52 AM
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads


> The aluminum heads I am looking at have square ports.
>
> The square ports are approx. the same size on all sides as the long side 
> of
> the rectangular ports on a stock iron 289 head.
>
> Can the ports on CAT headers be enlarged?
>
> Is there enough 'meat' to grind them out to match larger ports on an 
> aluminum
> head?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
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From allanballard at att.net  Thu Jan  6 14:34:04 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:34:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
In-Reply-To: <F15F543B5AC7457AADBB09D23E92D435@BucksLaptop>
References: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
	<09C9FC7A-3361-4CFC-BADE-9177377F5965@att.net>
	<F15F543B5AC7457AADBB09D23E92D435@BucksLaptop>
Message-ID: <811E2CA8-9F86-40CE-AC6C-94459C4AC7D5@att.net>

I believe the FelPro 1415 gasket matches to size 1.25 in. x 1.48.

Ports on the Edelbrock Performer heads that I hope to use are 1.25 x 1.25.

Allan Ballard



On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Buck Trippel wrote:

> The flange on CAT headers match the early 351 Windsor head, not the the
smaller 260 or 289 head. The FelPro 1415 gasket is used for both. The shape of
the port in the gasket is the shape of the port on the headers.
>
> Most aftermarket aluminum heads are also patterned off the 351 Windsor
head.
>
> Buck Trippel
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
> To: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 11:52 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
>
>
>> The aluminum heads I am looking at have square ports.
>>
>> The square ports are approx. the same size on all sides as the long side
of
>> the rectangular ports on a stock iron 289 head.
>>
>> Can the ports on CAT headers be enlarged?
>>
>> Is there enough 'meat' to grind them out to match larger ports on an
aluminum
>> head?
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> MK1-a Tiger
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tigers at autox.team.net
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From barncobob at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 14:34:39 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:34:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] difficult to fill gas tank
Message-ID: <8CD7C00A7EAD69F-1670-AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>

any tricks to filling gas tank. I go real slow and it is always clicking off
and or burping gas down the paint. In california we have these rubber things
thats surrounds the nozzle to suck off the emissions. I take a rag now but it
only works so so.

From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net  Thu Jan  6 14:52:10 2011
From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:52:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Choke on this!
Message-ID: <C94BA3BA.5325%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>

On my Tiger I used a knob/cable from an Alpine, but I think it's blank. For
fun, on my Miata, I used a choke knob for a Mazda RX7 (year?) as a ciggy
lighter knob (looked neat, and it's a pun!), it's vaguely the same shape,
but it has "choke" spelled out on it instead of just "C".

Larry Wright

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:48 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable


I will be using a manual choke on the 4100 (1.12) that will be on my 347.

I am in search of a choke knob that will match the lighter and washer knobs.
Preferably with a "C" on it.  Any have any good leads.  I went through the
Moss catalog with no luck.

TIA,
Duke B382002037

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  6 15:03:41 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:03:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=HM8Qf0pumTQ_Z+-fsDA62f+GUF0pZiTeQD6R8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <852502.41495.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom,
 
I use the Edelbrock Performer PRM intake manifold, but with a Baldwin Motion
Fly Eye air cleaner
under the stock hood, no scoop. However, I have not tried it with the factory
air cleaner, may well be too tall. Then again with all the talk about the
factory air cleaner being stolen, that may be a good thing.
 
Gary

--- On Thu, 1/6/11, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
To: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
Cc: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 1:06 PM


Allan,

What size heads are you looking at? There are size constraints built into
the Tiger.

I'm using Edelbrock E-Street heads (not planning on racing or anything
extravagant) with Sunbeam Specialties headers. They're the same size
externally as the Edelbock Performer heads but without the polishing. I
measured against the stock heads, same external dimensions, larger
rectangular ports. The headers were about the same size as the Edelbrock
ports.

If memory serves Ford Windsor size heads wont fit under the Tiger firewall
(I'm sure you know this but it bears repeating) and the Edelbrock Performer
RPM Intake manifold is too tall to allow the carb to fit under the stock
hood. See Tim suddard's article in Classic Motorsports.

Looking at my SS headers I have to say no, they can't be enlarged. The tubes
are so wide that they used 1/8" hex head bolts and it was impossible to get
a socket on two of them. If you were to "square up the ports on the stock
Ford heads you'd be into the bolt holes.

I can send you pictures offline if you wish showing the port size of the
E-Street heasd and stock Ford heads. I think rthey'll show what I'm trying
to explain.

Tom

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> The aluminum heads I am looking at have square ports.
>
> The square ports are approx. the same size on all sides as the long side of
> the rectangular ports on a stock iron 289 head.
>
> Can the ports on CAT headers be enlarged?
>
> Is there enough 'meat' to grind them out to match larger ports on an
> aluminum
> head?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> _______________________________________________
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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 15:12:31 2011
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:12:31 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=HM8Qf0pumTQ_Z+-fsDA62f+GUF0pZiTeQD6R8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110106154801.7Y1YH.130237.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
	<09C9FC7A-3361-4CFC-BADE-9177377F5965@att.net>
	<AANLkTi=HM8Qf0pumTQ_Z+-fsDA62f+GUF0pZiTeQD6R8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007401cbadee$d19efb70$74dcf250$@com>

Only since you guys are discussing it...I'm selling a set of aluminum
Edelbrock performer RPM heads on ebay right now, part 60259. They are the
2.02/1.60 heads with 170cc runner vol, 60cc chambers. Great heads, just
don't need them anymore. They have been cleaned up and inspected my local
reputable machinist. They were 1100 new, and I am asking 785 for them on
ePay....just fyi. If anyone is interested I would remove them from the
auction and sell them outright. I had them sold for 800 yesterday, and the
buyer didn't realize that they were the 2.02 heads, which require valve
relief...so I gave him his money back and relisted them about 20 minutes
ago, 15 bucks cheaper than yesterday. The must be popular as they sold with
"buy it now" in just a couple of days with plenty of bidding action....

Fyi...

Cullen 
1452 LROFE
Oklahoma city





Allan,

What size heads are you looking at? There are size constraints built into
the Tiger.

I'm using Edelbrock E-Street heads (not planning on racing or anything
extravagant) with Sunbeam Specialties headers. They're the same size
externally as the Edelbock Performer heads but without the polishing. I
measured against the stock heads, same external dimensions, larger
rectangular ports. The headers were about the same size as the Edelbrock
ports.

If memory serves Ford Windsor size heads wont fit under the Tiger firewall
(I'm sure you know this but it bears repeating) and the Edelbrock Performer
RPM Intake manifold is too tall to allow the carb to fit under the stock
hood. See Tim suddard's article in Classic Motorsports.

Looking at my SS headers I have to say no, they can't be enlarged. The tubes
are so wide that they used 1/8" hex head bolts and it was impossible to get
a socket on two of them. If you were to "square up the ports on the stock
Ford heads you'd be into the bolt holes.

I can send you pictures offline if you wish showing the port size of the
E-Street heasd and stock Ford heads. I think rthey'll show what I'm trying
to explain.

Tom

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> The aluminum heads I am looking at have square ports.
>
> The square ports are approx. the same size on all sides as the long side
of
> the rectangular ports on a stock iron 289 head.
>
> Can the ports on CAT headers be enlarged?
>
> Is there enough 'meat' to grind them out to match larger ports on an
> aluminum
> head?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> _______________________________________________

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Jan  6 15:17:35 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 22:17:35 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Headers and alum heads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=HM8Qf0pumTQ_Z+-fsDA62f+GUF0pZiTeQD6R8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110106221735.1N2BR.133315.root@hrndva-web24-z02>

This bring up a question - 

I am planning on using AFR 185 heads on the 1991 302 HO block.  Will I have any clearance or CAT header problems?

Duke
B382002037


---- Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Allan,
> 
> What size heads are you looking at? There are size constraints built into
> the Tiger.
> 
> I'm using Edelbrock E-Street heads (not planning on racing or anything
> extravagant) with Sunbeam Specialties headers. They're the same size
> externally as the Edelbock Performer heads but without the polishing. I
> measured against the stock heads, same external dimensions, larger
> rectangular ports. The headers were about the same size as the Edelbrock
> ports.
> 
> If memory serves Ford Windsor size heads wont fit under the Tiger firewall
> (I'm sure you know this but it bears repeating) and the Edelbrock Performer
> RPM Intake manifold is too tall to allow the carb to fit under the stock
> hood. See Tim suddard's article in Classic Motorsports.
> 
> Looking at my SS headers I have to say no, they can't be enlarged. The tubes
> are so wide that they used 1/8" hex head bolts and it was impossible to get
> a socket on two of them. If you were to "square up the ports on the stock
> Ford heads you'd be into the bolt holes.
> 
> I can send you pictures offline if you wish showing the port size of the
> E-Street heasd and stock Ford heads. I think rthey'll show what I'm trying
> to explain.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
> 
> > The aluminum heads I am looking at have square ports.
> >
> > The square ports are approx. the same size on all sides as the long side of
> > the rectangular ports on a stock iron 289 head.
> >
> > Can the ports on CAT headers be enlarged?
> >
> > Is there enough 'meat' to grind them out to match larger ports on an
> > aluminum
> > head?
> >
> > Allan Ballard
> > MK1-a Tiger
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tigers at autox.team.net
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 15:25:58 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:25:58 EST
Subject: [Tigers] difficult to fill gas tank
Message-ID: <df13.6a268fe.3a579b76@aol.com>

Wonder if there is a problem with your cross-over balance pipe.  I've  had 
the pump click off on me,but if I point the nozzle downward there is no  
problem. I've never heard of the problem you are experiencing.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/6/2011 5:22:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
barncobob at aol.com writes:

any  tricks to filling gas tank. I go real slow and it is always clicking  
off
and or burping gas down the paint. In california we have these rubber  
things
thats surrounds the nozzle to suck off the emissions. I take a rag  now but 
it
only works so  so.
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Jan  6 17:32:35 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:32:35 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?difficult_to_fill_gas_tank?=
Message-ID: <20110107003208.E13631878C8@autox.team.net>

Sounds like the hose at the top of the tanks that crosses over between them has plugged up. Or been removed. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: CoolVT at aol.com
Date: Thu, Jan 6, 2011 16:25
Subject: [Tigers] difficult to fill gas tank
To: <barncobob at aol.com>, <tigers at autox.team.net>

Wonder if there is a problem with your cross-over balance pipe.  I've  had 
the pump click off on me,but if I point the nozzle downward there is no  
problem. I've never heard of the problem you are experiencing.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/6/2011 5:22:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
barncobob at aol.com writes:

any  tricks to filling gas tank. I go real slow and it is always clicking  
off
and or burping gas down the paint. In california we have these rubber  
things
thats surrounds the nozzle to suck off the emissions. I take a rag  now but 
it
only works so  so.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Jan  6 17:44:53 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 00:44:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] In search of a Choke knob/cable
In-Reply-To: <000301cbadd7$28c98360$7a5c8a20$@com>
Message-ID: <1814045301.841753.1294361093173.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

 >The hole in the Alpine dash for the
>choke has a "CHOKE" legend.  The OEM Tiger dash doesn't have that.

Not if you have an early MKI...  It says "CHOKE".
Gary
B9470585
B9470622

From milward at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan  6 19:13:39 2011
From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:13:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Gassing up a Tiger in CA
Message-ID: <05463F780E4A4AEC8D582ADEDDF16D36@BillPC>

The problem is that the recirculating nozzles in CA are designed for recent
cars which use a standard filler neck; the sharp edge on the Tiger is made to
seal on the gasket on the quick release filler cap and is incompatible. The
secret is to fool the pump into thinking it that the rubber sleeve is sealed
against a filler neck. To do that you need a Tigasser, a piece of Aluminum
(about .063") about 3" square with a 1.00" dia hole in the center, slotted out
to one edge. You push the rubber sleeve on the pump nozzle back far enough to
uncover a shoulder on the nozzle pipe itself and slip your Tigasser between
the sleeve and the shoulder on the nozzle. This gives the sleeve a flat
surface to seat on; it is not a perfect seal because of the slot and you have
to pump slowly but it works.

There are two drawbacks. One is a safety issue in that the pump will not shut
off automatically and as a minimum you risk gas on your shoes. The other is
that the plate will scratch the paint. I fixed this by taking the plastic top
off a paint spraycan, cutting a hole in the center so that it will slide over
the pump nozzle and putting it between the plate and the Tiger filler.

These were available commercially for bikes at one time, but the Gas Buddy
website has disappeared.

BillRo

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 22:33:00 2011
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 23:33:00 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] difficult to fill gas tank
In-Reply-To: <8CD7C00A7EAD69F-1670-AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD7C00A7EAD69F-1670-AA6@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <588E42486DB0452AA491EA60DE27008A@DellD4700>

Motorcycle accessory dealers, such as aerostich.com, sell a cheap little
u-shaped gadget that supposedly holds the rubber thingy back to make filling
motorcycle gas tanks easier. I ride, but, since we don't have those nozzles
here, I don't have any personal knowledge of their efficacy.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] difficult to fill gas tank

any tricks to filling gas tank. I go real slow and it is always clicking off
and or burping gas down the paint. In california we have these rubber things
thats surrounds the nozzle to suck off the emissions. I take a rag now but it
only works so so.
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From barncobob at aol.com  Fri Jan  7 04:51:27 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:51:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] gas filler problem solved?
Message-ID: <8CD7C78583E6B37-1A38-AD37@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>

thanx to AC for pointing me in right direction. I did some surfing and found
this for cycles with a flip cap. I then went to ebay and there are several
there at different prices. I got one for 10.18 including shipping. For $10 it
is worth a try. i will critique product after my first trial.
http://www.mccuff.com/

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Jan  7 06:55:03 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:55:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] gas filler problem solved?
In-Reply-To: <8CD7C78583E6B37-1A38-AD37@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1512294386.863029.1294408503889.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

That looks promising.   Keep us informed how it works!
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: barncobob at aol.com
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:51:27 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] gas filler problem solved?

thanx to AC for pointing me in right direction. I did some surfing and found
this for cycles with a flip cap. I then went to ebay and there are several
there at different prices. I got one for 10.18 including shipping. For $10 it
is worth a try. i will critique product after my first trial.
http://www.mccuff.com/

From BKSchonb at usi.edu  Fri Jan  7 07:36:47 2011
From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:36:47 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FORD J302 head headers
Message-ID: <E1BCBAA133BF824F99E9BC9B3CC610B5015D5918D7@ExchMail.usi.edu>

If you have a set of FORD J302 heads I have a freshly coated set of headers
for you. The J302 heads have an offset bolt pattern on the exhaust port which
allows for a very clean exit.

Barry Schonberger

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Jan  7 16:08:13 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] RX7 Brakes..update
In-Reply-To: <4d21b337.5103.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d21b337.5103.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <000001cbaebf$c2e2c860$48a85920$@rr.com>

Now the brakes are now Tiger worthy.  I found a shop that cut the rotors on
a lath for $45.  What a deal.  Install soon.

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-6.jpg

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/002-14.jpg

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/003-8.jpg

Duke
B382002037

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 21:49:05 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 23:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] RX7 Brakes..update
In-Reply-To: <000001cbaebf$c2e2c860$48a85920$@rr.com>
References: <4d21b337.5103.0@thecia.net>
	<000001cbaebf$c2e2c860$48a85920$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikU38Bv0hcNswt-WSMMQU2Rsp8dm2JTbhDXEFOK@mail.gmail.com>

looking a sweet setup duke.
i very much look forward to seeing your detailed writeup when its
installed and tested.

personally, i run the fiat rotors and mustang calipers with dale's
e-brake cables.
took a bit of work to get a master that worked well.  especially when
i run the massive hopper's stopper's fronts.

discs on the back make a huge difference.  especially not needing to
constantly adjust them.  if you run large wheels with good airflow,
the the fronts last surprisingly well with modern pads.   if you push
hard on a track with a hot motor the fronts will need attention too.
the hoppers stoppers are awesome and not too pricey, for what your
get.



On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> Now the brakes are now Tiger worthy.  I found a shop that cut the rotors on
> a lath for $45.  What a deal.  Install soon.
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-6.jpg
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/002-14.jpg
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/003-8.jpg
>
> Duke
> B382002037
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From cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net  Sat Jan  8 15:08:54 2011
From: cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net (Chip & Lynn Broadbooks)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 17:08:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rootesparts.com
Message-ID: <602927c7-3266-41f0-b8d3-cd63c0e0739d@blur>

Beware of these guys.B  I bought a pair of outer door handles from them. When they arrived they were of poor quality. They stated they would ship out a replacement set. That was 2 months ago. My emails go unanswered.

From cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net  Sat Jan  8 15:08:54 2011
From: cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net (Chip & Lynn Broadbooks)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 17:08:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rootesparts.com
Message-ID: <602927c7-3266-41f0-b8d3-cd63c0e0739d@blur>

Beware of these guys.B  I bought a pair of outer door handles from them. When they arrived they were of poor quality. They stated they would ship out a replacement set. That was 2 months ago. My emails go unanswered.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 16:32:50 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:32:50 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Rootesparts.com
In-Reply-To: <602927c7-3266-41f0-b8d3-cd63c0e0739d@blur>
References: <602927c7-3266-41f0-b8d3-cd63c0e0739d@blur>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUj+gOQ5G0d20Yh4EGPp6kDgso_EHHn4rtX+Ax@mail.gmail.com>

I bought some boot hinges from them a while back, the chrome was peeling.
Shipped them back, and they sent a replacement set but they went undelivered
and were retrurned to sender. In the end we finally got a good set from
them. Response time for email was a little slow, however i know that they
apparently go on holiday for a month or two in winter.

Many members from the SAOCA (sunbeam alpine owners association of americaa)
have bought parts from them with goodd results, so perhaps be a little more
patient, however a few months is a frustrating wait time.

On 9 January 2011 09:08, Chip & Lynn Broadbooks <cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net>wrote:

> Beware of these guys.B  I bought a pair of outer door handles from them.
> When they arrived they were of poor quality. They stated they would ship out
> a replacement set. That was 2 months ago. My emails go unanswered.
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-- 
Regards

Michael King

From tcprager at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  8 18:07:10 2011
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Tom Prager)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:07:10 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Rootesparts.com
In-Reply-To: <602927c7-3266-41f0-b8d3-cd63c0e0739d@blur>
References: <602927c7-3266-41f0-b8d3-cd63c0e0739d@blur>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP48849EF50A42664B84DB2BCB0D0@phx.gbl>

I had a similar experience w/ peeling toggle catches but called via Skype &
received a good pair on a timely basis

Tom

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:08 PM, "Chip & Lynn Broadbooks"<cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net>
wrote:

> Beware of these guys.B  I bought a pair of outer door handles from them.
When they arrived they were of poor quality. They stated they would ship out a
replacement set. That was 2 months ago. My emails go unanswered.
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From mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  9 15:51:35 2011
From: mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net (Mike Baskette)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:51:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1294599602.2897.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <422496.80717.qm@web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Why would they send junk parts in the first place?  Thanks for warning.  Won't
buy from them.  Sounds like they know they are sending junk and hoping you'll
just keep it and stay quiet.  I can't stand vendors like this.
*************************************

From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Jan  9 16:49:45 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 18:49:45 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tool Kit
Message-ID: <77735.109907f7.3a5ba399@aol.com>

Hello all,
 
In doing some investigative work on Tiger tool kit, I looked into the brand 
 of the open end wrenches. 
 
I referred to the article in Tigers United web site, which was quite  
through and informative on the subject.
 
But....I had a hunch that one part of the article was incorrect. The  
wrenches are described as branded 
"Slim Jim".
 
I talked to Tod Brown, an original owner with originally supplied kit. He  
looked, reported and photo-ed his. It seems that the ID on this part (and 
the  rest of the items in the tool kit) should be referred to as "Super Slim"
 
Comments?
 
Regards,

From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Jan  9 16:55:48 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 18:55:48 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Rootespart (Holland)
Message-ID: <77c3c.73a6410e.3a5ba504@aol.com>

Hello
 
In an effort to restore our hardtops ( with friend Gary Fish) I  ordered 
and received two sets of the receiving chrome pieces that mount to the  top of 
the windshield frame, on one each side, so two sets, four in total.
 
Got them early-2010, excellent quality, though kind of expensive. Work  
great.

My two cents.
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From allanballard at att.net  Sun Jan  9 18:13:30 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rootespart (Holland)
In-Reply-To: <77c3c.73a6410e.3a5ba504@aol.com>
References: <77c3c.73a6410e.3a5ba504@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CD646768-27A5-4432-AC58-5C50D6A99B9B@att.net>

I ordered a pair of master cylinders (brake and clutch) from this firm.

They never arrived and I requested a refund.

Eventually I did get a refund but it took a while.

I learned that the firm is operated part time, weekends only, with the owner
traveling
on his "real" job weekdays.

This firm provides several scarce parts, including crank dampers for Alpines
and I
hope they get their act back together.

Other orders I have placed with this firm were filled routinely, no problem.

So my experience is mixed although all good except for the one order.

I haven't ordered chrome parts but other parts I have received have been as
advertised and of
good quality.

Allan Ballard
MK1a Tiger
SIV Alpine





On Jan 9, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:

> Hello
>
> In an effort to restore our hardtops ( with friend Gary Fish) I  ordered
> and received two sets of the receiving chrome pieces that mount to the  top
of
> the windshield frame, on one each side, so two sets, four in total.
>
> Got them early-2010, excellent quality, though kind of expensive. Work
> great.
>
> My two cents.
>
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan  9 18:40:28 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:40:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Unhappy with Hardtop seal
In-Reply-To: <4D255A85.9020108@socal.rr.com>
References: <COL121-DS2050FA0E5E9CEE370771C89F070@phx.gbl><106611.46412.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=f8gYqZuF=+ikKrmJ_FOiFRyGCfGFy=Dx_9kHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL121-DS12C3C8714B712F96442439F080@phx.gbl>
	<4D23B2C0.7070204@socal.rr.com>
	<COL121-DS10980A8C76C87B72F41A659F090@phx.gbl>
	<4D24F10A.4020405@socal.rr.com> <4D255A85.9020108@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D2A638C.4080506@socal.rr.com>

Wayne,

Looks like my message was too long because I included some older ones 
for reference.  I removed them.  I hope you've heard from CAT President 
.  I thought I sent a copy to the President of CAT, Buck Tripple,
< BuckTrippel at Verizon.net >.  I bought my hardtop side window button and 
Thick, one-piece, top-body seal at a
CAT meet.

Steve

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/5/11 10:00 PM, Steve Laifman wrote:
> Here is a copy of an e-mail on hardtop seals that I sent to Wayne-MSN 
> <w_pierzga at msn.com>
>
> Perhaps it  will be of some  value to those struggling with the same 
> problem.  If I get some help, I'll remove the top for pictures.
>
> Steve
>
> /Steve Laifman/
>
> /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>
>
>
>
> On 1/5/11 2:30 PM, Steve Laifman wrote:
>> /Wayne,
>>
>> Looks like you've read my most current info on the subject, but a 
>> phone call to Curt may be the solution.
>>
>> The seals on the Mk I weren't always hard, but they did rub the paint 
>> - and the damage got worse as they hardened.
>>
>> The seals I replaced them with are one continuous strip that has a 
>> molded lip, on the top surface.  Looks very much like door seals they 
>> may use on U.S. car doors.
>>
>> I do not know what "3M" film you are discussing, unless it's 
>> something you put on your paint. I didn't need that.  My 2005 T-Bird 
>> does have an accessory stainless cut hard-top protector, with a 3M 
>> sticky tape.  They have all sort's of trim, like this one I bought at 
>> ThunderBird Concepts for all sort's of dress-up, and Hardtop 
>> Protection - but none for Tigers.
>>
>> http://www.thunderbirdconcepts.com/ford_thunderbird_hot-sellers.htm
>> /

<===== snip =====>

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Jan  9 19:08:13 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,brake comvertion
In-Reply-To: <9f114.7b53a642.3a5bc0aa@aol.com>
References: <9f114.7b53a642.3a5bc0aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cbb06b$3d2ab770$b7802650$@rr.com>

No,

 

The FB refers to the body style.  1st gen RX7's were FB, Second FC, Third
FD.

 

I got just the rears.

 

Sorry for the confusion.

 

Duke

B382002037

 

From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com [mailto:BEAU2EVE at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 7:54 PM
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Tigers Digest,brake comvertion

 

 

Hi, You mention in tiger digest that you found your brakes and it said fb
,did that mean front brakes? Did you get the fronts and rear assemblies of a
rx 7 or just the rears. Thanks Beau

In a message dated 1/4/2011 1:34:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tigers-request at autox.team.net writes:

"Samouce's" <wsamouce at kc.rr.c    om>

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 10 14:22:48 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:22:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Rootespart (Holland)
Message-ID: <842731.1074.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Over two years ago I ordered the original "Metalastic" fulcrum pin bushings
and received them in a timely manner.   Doug Jennings/ Tiger Auto  installed
them when he rebuilt my x-member and said they were of  good quality.   Maybe
his day job is taking up too much of his time.
 
                                                     Jeff

From mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 10 15:46:26 2011
From: mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net (Mike Baskette)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:46:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1294686003.23319.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <590774.71569.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, the correct wrench name is Super Slim.  Slim Jim is purchased at check
out at Seven Eleven, it resembles a sausage.

From mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 10 16:16:26 2011
From: mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net (Mike Baskette)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:16:26 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sending Unit
Message-ID: <0B050FFFEF164738BFDB6980FDDA997F@D62V70B1>

I am trying to a message a Tiger back to life after being hidden away in a
garage for almost twenty years.......not started.  Soooo, the gas tanks are
out and need to be boiled and sealed, since I can't find new ones.  Would love
some stainless.

I contacted the fellow at SS and he stated that he didn't know where sending
units can be had.....huh?.  I find this very odd.
Know one carries new sending units?  with all of the Alpines and Tiger out
there?  Did Rod Serling have something to do with this............Mr.
Serling............

From jim at island.net  Mon Jan 10 16:19:35 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:19:35 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <590774.71569.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.17.1294686003.23319.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<590774.71569.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008101cbb11c$d8b65620$8a230260$@net>

I thought a Slim Jim was used to break into cars...?  ;)

Jim
B382000446

 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mike Baskette
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:46 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 14

Yes, the correct wrench name is Super Slim.  Slim Jim is purchased at check
out at Seven Eleven, it resembles a sausage.

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Jan 10 16:31:07 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:31:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,brake comvertion
In-Reply-To: <003001cbb0d0$6f07f630$4d17e290$@bellsouth.net>
References: <9f114.7b53a642.3a5bc0aa@aol.com>
	<000301cbb06b$3d2ab770$b7802650$@rr.com>
	<003001cbb0d0$6f07f630$4d17e290$@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <000001cbb11e$754cbe10$5fe63a30$@rr.com>

That is the is hurdle for this conversion.

Right now, I am planning on running the RX7 cable to the driver's side only.
I think that the longer RX7 cable may be long enough to reach the handbrake
mechanism.  Just a quick trial and it looks close.  I have a clevis adapter
that I can attach to the stock cable (have to cut off the sheath and cable
to fit) and then the end of the RX7 cable if it is too short.  Because the
RX7 cable outer sheath is clamped to the caliper, I will not need that on
the hand brake side.  I will only know if this will work once I have the
caliper mounted and then start to work it.


Here is a pic of the cable connection on the caliper. - 
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/001-10.jpg

The opposite end of the cable with the adapter I purchased from Harbor
Freight for $7. - 
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/002-15.jpg

HTH's
Duke
382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: hanjan2 [mailto:hanjan2 at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:13 AM
To: 'Samouce's'
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,brake comvertion

Hello Duke,
I am attempting to do a conversion using early RX7 rears, have the calipers,
etc, but am confused when it comes to the emergency brake setup.
I have no parts to do that part of the conversion.
Can you tell me what you are using, how the setup looks, pic's if you have
any yet.....?
My Regards, Hank
______________________________________________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Samouce's
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:08 PM
To: BEAU2EVE at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest,brake comvertion

No,

 

The FB refers to the body style.  1st gen RX7's were FB, Second FC, Third
FD.

 

I got just the rears.

 

Sorry for the confusion.

 

Duke

B382002037

 

From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com [mailto:BEAU2EVE at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 7:54 PM
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Tigers Digest,brake comvertion

 

 

Hi, You mention in tiger digest that you found your brakes and it said fb
,did that mean front brakes? Did you get the fronts and rear assemblies of a
rx 7 or just the rears. Thanks Beau

In a message dated 1/4/2011 1:34:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tigers-request at autox.team.net writes:

"Samouce's" <wsamouce at kc.rr.c    om>
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From Landcmitch at aol.com  Mon Jan 10 17:18:55 2011
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:18:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 14
Message-ID: <11d52.7280c614.3a5cfbef@aol.com>

Depends on your background, I suppose......
 
Charlie
 
 
In a message dated 1/10/2011 4:16:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jim at island.net writes:

I  thought a Slim Jim was used to break into cars...?   ;)

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On  Behalf Of Mike Baskette
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:46 PM
To:  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue  14

Yes, the correct wrench name is Super Slim.  Slim Jim is  purchased at check
out at Seven Eleven, it resembles a  sausage.
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Mon Jan 10 17:26:47 2011
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:26:47 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <008101cbb11c$d8b65620$8a230260$@net>
Message-ID: <20110110192647.N5AAV.782363.imail@fed1rmwml40>

Slim Gym is the nickname for the arena on the University of San Diego campus.

Official name?  Jenny Craig Pavilion.
---- jim <jim at island.net> wrote: 
> I thought a Slim Jim was used to break into cars...?  ;)
> 
> Jim
> B382000446
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Mike Baskette
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> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 14
> 
> Yes, the correct wrench name is Super Slim.  Slim Jim is purchased at check
> out at Seven Eleven, it resembles a sausage.
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From Carmods at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 08:11:13 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:11:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion
Message-ID: <18ce8.1612af70.3a5dcd11@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2011 7:19:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

Because the
RX7 cable outer sheath is clamped to the caliper, I  will not need that on
the hand brake side.  I will only know if this  will work once I have the
caliper mounted and then start to work  it.


Hi Duke, 
 
I'm not sure what you are saying here, but you must  attach the outer 
sheath to the caliper at one end, as shown in your picture,  and the sheath must 
be grounded at the handle bracket or body at the other end  . Otherwise you 
will be pulling the whole caliper forward  when you apply the parking brake.
 
John  Logan

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Tue Jan 11 08:52:58 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:52:58 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion
In-Reply-To: <18ce8.1612af70.3a5dcd11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110111155258.BBFZL.158285.root@hrndva-web03-z01>

Hey John,

I see what you are saying but I don't think it will be an issue for parking.  Take a look that the caliper mount, the large steel rod inserts into the caliper body.  I think it can take the force of the parking brake.  The cable is quite flexible and in its stock setup was bent 90 degrees, I am not sure how much resistance to caliper movement it offers mounted on both ends.

Duke
B382002037 


---- Carmods at aol.com wrote: 
> 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 1/10/2011 7:19:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:
> 
> Because the
> RX7 cable outer sheath is clamped to the caliper, I  will not need that on
> the hand brake side.  I will only know if this  will work once I have the
> caliper mounted and then start to work  it.
> 
> 
> Hi Duke, 
>  
> I'm not sure what you are saying here, but you must  attach the outer 
> sheath to the caliper at one end, as shown in your picture,  and the sheath must 
> be grounded at the handle bracket or body at the other end  . Otherwise you 
> will be pulling the whole caliper forward  when you apply the parking brake.
>  
> John  Logan

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jan 11 09:14:40 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:14:40 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion
In-Reply-To: <20110111155258.BBFZL.158285.root@hrndva-web03-z01>
References: <18ce8.1612af70.3a5dcd11@aol.com>
	<20110111155258.BBFZL.158285.root@hrndva-web03-z01>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E28C3764@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Hi Duke,
You need both ends of the sheath attached to the caliper body and the
handbrake mounting, respectively. If you want to see what it's like to not
have it that way, get out to your bike and undo one of the brake cable outer
housings - either at the lever or at the brake, and then see if it still
works.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> Sent: January 11, 2011 8:53 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion
>
> Hey John,
>
> I see what you are saying but I don't think it will be an issue for
> parking.  Take a look that the caliper mount, the large steel rod
> inserts into the caliper body.  I think it can take the force of the
> parking brake.  The cable is quite flexible and in its stock setup was
> bent 90 degrees, I am not sure how much resistance to caliper movement
> it offers mounted on both ends.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>


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From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 10:13:28 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:13:28 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion
Message-ID: <2073d.134f8999.3a5de9b8@aol.com>

Theo,
Bike brake cables normally have loops in them. Pulling on the hand  brake 
without a sheathing on the cable would just screw up the loop rather than  
working the brake. It would seem that if the emergency brake cable in a  car 
had a perfectly straight shot that it would act like a solid rod and  could 
work without a sheathing??  But every emergency brake I've seen has a  
sheathing so there has to be some reason for it.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/11/2011 11:39:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

Hi  Duke,
You need both ends of the sheath attached to the caliper body and  the
handbrake mounting, respectively. If you want to see what it's like to  not
have it that way, get out to your bike and undo one of the brake cable  
outer
housings - either at the lever or at the brake, and then see if it  still
works.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original  Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of  wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> Sent: January 11, 2011 8:53 AM
> To:  tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mazda  brake comvertion
>
> Hey John,
>
> I see what you are  saying but I don't think it will be an issue for
> parking.  Take a  look that the caliper mount, the large steel rod
> inserts into the  caliper body.  I think it can take the force of the
> parking  brake.  The cable is quite flexible and in its stock setup was
>  bent 90 degrees, I am not sure how much resistance to caliper movement
>  it offers mounted on both ends.
>
> Duke
>  B382002037
>


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From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 10:29:02 2011
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:29:02 EST
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
Message-ID: <21aeb.22bfeafb.3a5ded5e@aol.com>

Hi Guys, 
I'm getting closer to finishing my 302 build-up. I really appreciate your  
previous wisdom and help.
 
I have the 1985 carb & roller 302.
 
1) I need to use the STOCK crank damper due to balance issues,  correct?   
What about timing marks? 
 
2) Flywheel. I do not have the 1985 flywheel. I do have the stock 260  
flywheel and clutch mechanisms. Can this stuff be re-used? If not, any  
recommendations?
 
I DO have the proper bell housing for my top loader and this crankcase  
(thanks to a luck flea market find)  

Tom  Milton


Lansing, IL.
1964 Tiger  project
B382000257

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jan 11 10:30:28 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:30:28 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion
In-Reply-To: <2073d.134f8999.3a5de9b8@aol.com>
References: <2073d.134f8999.3a5de9b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E28C37D4@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

If you have suspension on the rear axle then you'll need to have some slack in
the cable or else it will be pulling the rear brake on everytime you go over a
bump. And if you have slack in the cable then you need to have the outer
housing retained at both ends.

With the arrangement of the stock handbrake location, it's not possible to
give either side a 'straight' shot, anyway. I used a Lokar E-brake cable set
that included a very tidy cable retainer for the handbrake end as well as a
nice 2-to-1 coupler. I had to shorten the coupler to fit between the cable
entry and the handbrake location, and space the handbrake inwards about 3/8"
from the stock location, but other than that it worked perfectly.

Theo

From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: January 11, 2011 10:13 AM
To: Smit, Theo; wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion

Theo,
Bike brake cables normally have loops in them. Pulling on the hand brake
without a sheathing on the cable would just screw up the loop rather than
working the brake. It would seem that if the emergency brake cable in a car
had a perfectly straight shot that it would act like a solid rod and could
work without a sheathing??  But every emergency brake I've seen has a
sheathing so there has to be some reason for it.
Mark

In a message dated 1/11/2011 11:39:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:
Hi Duke,
You need both ends of the sheath attached to the caliper body and the
handbrake mounting, respectively. If you want to see what it's like to not
have it that way, get out to your bike and undo one of the brake cable outer
housings - either at the lever or at the brake, and then see if it still
works.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> Sent: January 11, 2011 8:53 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion
>
> Hey John,
>
> I see what you are saying but I don't think it will be an issue for
> parking.  Take a look that the caliper mount, the large steel rod
> inserts into the caliper body.  I think it can take the force of the
> parking brake.  The cable is quite flexible and in its stock setup was
> bent 90 degrees, I am not sure how much resistance to caliper movement
> it offers mounted on both ends.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>


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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jan 11 11:04:04 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:04:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
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Hi Tom,
You need a damper and flywheel that are suitable for the 5.0, which has a 50
oz-inch external balance requirement. The 260 flywheel and damper are weighted
for a 28 oz-inch external balance so they will not work with your engine.

On the other hand, it's easy and inexpensive to get a brand new steel flywheel
from Summit or Jegs. A centerforce or Ford motorsport diaphragm clutch will
work great.

Cheers,
Theo





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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Tue Jan 11 11:17:05 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:17:05 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
In-Reply-To: <21aeb.22bfeafb.3a5ded5e@aol.com>
References: <21aeb.22bfeafb.3a5ded5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43B80452725A4309BEE972B0354A2394@jerry>

Using the 260 flywheel would be a bad thing to do.  The old 260/289 engines
used a 28 oz flywheel whereas the roller engines (newer) use a 50 oz
flywheel, they are NOT interchangeable. Also the timing marks on the newer
302s dampeners are on the passenger side whereas the older timing marks are
on the driver's side. Also there are different flywheels, one having 152
teeth the other 164, you can use either, but you have to make sure you have
the proper bell housing (and steel plate in-between) for the flywheel you
are using. Otherwise your starter will not mesh properly with the flywheel.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187  

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:29 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions

Hi Guys, 
I'm getting closer to finishing my 302 build-up. I really appreciate your  
previous wisdom and help.
 
I have the 1985 carb & roller 302.
 
1) I need to use the STOCK crank damper due to balance issues,  correct?   
What about timing marks? 
 
2) Flywheel. I do not have the 1985 flywheel. I do have the stock 260  
flywheel and clutch mechanisms. Can this stuff be re-used? If not, any  
recommendations?
 
I DO have the proper bell housing for my top loader and this crankcase  
(thanks to a luck flea market find)  

Tom  Milton


Lansing, IL.
1964 Tiger  project
B382000257
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 11 11:42:31 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:42:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] You May Be A Redneck Tiger Owner....
Message-ID: <694221.76294.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 "Someone told me the correct wrench is a Slim Jim."
 
"I thought a Slim Jim was used to break into cars...?  ;)"
 
"Yes, the correct wrench name is Super Slim.  Slim Jim is purchased at check
out at Seven Eleven, it resembles a sausage."
 
 
You may be a redneck Sunbeam Tiger owner if......... you know: "Slim Jim is
purchased at check out at Seven Eleven, it resembles a sausage."
 
 
                                                  Jeff
 

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 11 11:52:13 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:52:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Sending Unit
Message-ID: <600083.31738.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
"I am trying to a message a Tiger back to life after being hidden away in a
garage for almost twenty years"

"Message a Tiger back to life"?  Buy it a Blackberry I guess.

 
"I contacted the fellow at SS and he stated that he didn't know where sending
units can be had.....huh?.  I find this very odd.
Know one carries new sending units?  with all of the Alpines and Tiger out
there?  Did Rod Serling have something to do with this............Mr.
Serling............"

Presented for your approval;  no one has made a new sending unit in 45
years.   There is a sign post up ahead, your next stop is Ebay zone!  (Sending
units show up once in a while, for an unworldly price.)
 
                                           Jeff
 

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 11:55:18 2011
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:55:18 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
In-Reply-To: <21aeb.22bfeafb.3a5ded5e@aol.com>
References: <21aeb.22bfeafb.3a5ded5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1DCDA152AC16472286E10AA10F6EDC23@DellD4700>

Tom,

Ford switched to a 50 oz/in external balance in 1985 which uses a combination
of counterweights in the flywheel and harmonic balancer. 

Therefore, the 260 flywheel can not be used. You might be able to use the 260
clutch if the bolt holes line up (or you have a later flywheel re-drilled),
but, if I recall correctly, it is smaller than the later clutches and may not
stand up to the 302.

If the harmonic balancer on the engine isn't new, I would suggest replacing it
now since it is relatively inexpensive and is probably a pain in the behind to
change in the car. Both harmonic balancers and flywheels are available from
Ford and the aftermarket. You must be careful, however, that the crank pulley
lines up with your other pulleys. Sorry I don't have those dimensions.

Also, you want to be sure your starter lines up with the new flywheel and
matches the number of teeth on the flywheel.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:29 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions

Hi Guys,
I'm getting closer to finishing my 302 build-up. I really appreciate your 
previous wisdom and help.

I have the 1985 carb & roller 302.

1) I need to use the STOCK crank damper due to balance issues,  correct?  
What about timing marks?

2) Flywheel. I do not have the 1985 flywheel. I do have the stock 260 
flywheel and clutch mechanisms. Can this stuff be re-used? If not, any 
recommendations?

I DO have the proper bell housing for my top loader and this crankcase 
(thanks to a luck flea market find) 

Tom  Milton


Lansing, IL.
1964 Tiger  project
B382000257
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Tue Jan 11 12:15:42 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:15:42 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Mazda brake conversion
Message-ID: <20110111191542.7DMZM.158979.root@hrndva-web20-z01>

Hey Theo, 

Makes sense. Once I get the brakes mounted, I will take a look at the handbrake end. I have an idea that may work. Thinking of making a plate that will secure the other end of the cable sheath at the hole in the body where the stock cable comes through the body. This will give the cable some bend for the suspension travel. I will just have a very short stock cable with the adapter I bought to the RX7 cable end.

Will take lots of pictures.

If that does not work, I will spend the $120 for a Lokar. With the project thus far is up to $360, 33% more for a brake cable would really suck.

Duke
B382002037 




-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:30 AM
To: CoolVT at aol.com; wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mazda brake comvertion

If you have suspension on the rear axle then you'll need to have some slack in
the cable or else it will be pulling the rear brake on everytime you go over a
bump. And if you have slack in the cable then you need to have the outer
housing retained at both ends.

With the arrangement of the stock handbrake location, it's not possible to
give either side a 'straight' shot, anyway. I used a Lokar E-brake cable set
that included a very tidy cable retainer for the handbrake end as well as a
nice 2-to-1 coupler. I had to shorten the coupler to fit between the cable
entry and the handbrake location, and space the handbrake inwards about 3/8"
from the stock location, but other than that it worked perfectly.

Theo

From gleibert185 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 11 12:34:51 2011
From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:34:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] You May Be A Redneck Tiger Owner....
In-Reply-To: <694221.76294.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01C12EE770F94257B065D0C7B8BCF00F@mylaptop>

I knew a 'Slim Jim' was a sausage long before becoming a Tiger owner!

LOL

George

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:43 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] You May Be A Redneck Tiger Owner....

 "Someone told me the correct wrench is a Slim Jim."

"I thought a Slim Jim was used to break into cars...?  ;)"

"Yes, the correct wrench name is Super Slim.  Slim Jim is purchased at check
out at Seven Eleven, it resembles a sausage."


You may be a redneck Sunbeam Tiger owner if......... you know: "Slim Jim is
purchased at check out at Seven Eleven, it resembles a sausage."


                                                  Jeff

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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jan 11 12:47:14 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:47:14 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
In-Reply-To: <1DCDA152AC16472286E10AA10F6EDC23@DellD4700>
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	<1DCDA152AC16472286E10AA10F6EDC23@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E28C387C@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I used a Professional Products harmonic balancer. It's available in both 28
and 50 oz-inch, short like the 260's, has both 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns,
and three sets of engraved and painted timing marks to suit any of the timing
covers available for the smallblock engine. If you're very particular you
would still want to degree the engine yourself, at least to figure out if
there was any error between the marks and your pointer, but they are
definitely very visible with any timing light.

Cheers,
Theo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes
> Sent: January 11, 2011 11:55 AM
> To: Gyroplanes at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] More 302 questions
>
> Tom,
>
> Ford switched to a 50 oz/in external balance in 1985 which uses a
> combination
> of counterweights in the flywheel and harmonic balancer.
>
> Therefore, the 260 flywheel can not be used. You might be able to use
> the 260
> clutch if the bolt holes line up (or you have a later flywheel re-
> drilled),
> but, if I recall correctly, it is smaller than the later clutches and
> may not
> stand up to the 302.
>
> If the harmonic balancer on the engine isn't new, I would suggest
> replacing it
> now since it is relatively inexpensive and is probably a pain in the
> behind to
> change in the car. Both harmonic balancers and flywheels are available
> from
> Ford and the aftermarket. You must be careful, however, that the crank
> pulley
> lines up with your other pulleys. Sorry I don't have those dimensions.
>
> Also, you want to be sure your starter lines up with the new flywheel
> and
> matches the number of teeth on the flywheel.
>
> HTH,
> A. C. Tynes
> New Orleans
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:29 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
>
> Hi Guys,
> I'm getting closer to finishing my 302 build-up. I really appreciate
> your
> previous wisdom and help.
>
> I have the 1985 carb & roller 302.
>
> 1) I need to use the STOCK crank damper due to balance issues,
> correct?
> What about timing marks?
>
> 2) Flywheel. I do not have the 1985 flywheel. I do have the stock 260
> flywheel and clutch mechanisms. Can this stuff be re-used? If not, any
> recommendations?
>
> I DO have the proper bell housing for my top loader and this crankcase
> (thanks to a luck flea market find)
>
> Tom  Milton
>
>
> Lansing, IL.
> 1964 Tiger  project
> B382000257
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 12:50:28 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:50:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
In-Reply-To: <43B80452725A4309BEE972B0354A2394@jerry>
Message-ID: <146417.94923.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You mean 157 teeth, not 152.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:


From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More 302 questions
To: Gyroplanes at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 10:17 AM


Using the 260 flywheel would be a bad thing to do.  The old 260/289 engines
used a 28 oz flywheel whereas the roller engines (newer) use a 50 oz
flywheel, they are NOT interchangeable. Also the timing marks on the newer
302s dampeners are on the passenger side whereas the older timing marks are
on the driver's side. Also there are different flywheels, one having 152
teeth the other 164, you can use either, but you have to make sure you have
the proper bell housing (and steel plate in-between) for the flywheel you
are using. Otherwise your starter will not mesh properly with the flywheel.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:29 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions

Hi Guys,
I'm getting closer to finishing my 302 build-up. I really appreciate your 
previous wisdom and help.

I have the 1985 carb & roller 302.

1) I need to use the STOCK crank damper due to balance issues,  correct?   
What about timing marks?

2) Flywheel. I do not have the 1985 flywheel. I do have the stock 260 
flywheel and clutch mechanisms. Can this stuff be re-used? If not, any 
recommendations?

I DO have the proper bell housing for my top loader and this crankcase 
(thanks to a luck flea market find) 

Tom  Milton


Lansing, IL.
1964 Tiger  project
B382000257
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 13:03:22 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:03:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
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I am a huge fan of aluminum flywheels. They generally weigh 60% less than the
steel flywheels and have a lower polar moment of initeria. This lower moment
of inertia lets the engine rev up and down faster.  If you are drag racing a
3500 lb car, you need the large rotating mass of a steel flywheel for energy
storage to help you get off the line from dead stop, but in a 2500 lb street
Tiger it's not necessary. My Tiger engine revs up so easily, I can't even give
it full throttle until I'm doing 40 mph or I just spin the tires. I am
traction limited. So not only is there less stress on the engine rotating
assembly, but the overall vehicle weight drops another 10-15  lbs, too.
 
Gary
 
--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:


From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More 302 questions
To: "Gyroplanes at aol.com" <Gyroplanes at aol.com>, "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 10:04 AM


Hi Tom,
You need a damper and flywheel that are suitable for the 5.0, which has a 50
oz-inch external balance requirement. The 260 flywheel and damper are
weighted
for a 28 oz-inch external balance so they will not work with your engine.

On the other hand, it's easy and inexpensive to get a brand new steel
flywheel
from Summit or Jegs. A centerforce or Ford motorsport diaphragm clutch will
work great.

Cheers,
Theo





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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 11 13:09:06 2011
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:09:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Sending Unit
References: <600083.31738.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02E4FCB564D84A06BDD05237CE6A8A71@yourze8cxvr8tt>

i know one tiger owner that carries a measuring stick for his fuel tank. but 
when you travel with a wife , you make every two hour stops anyway so i top 
off every time she wants to stop. for the last 33 years i have never worried 
about whether the guage worked. call doug at tiger auto. 937 252 3317  he 
may have some used ones.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
To: <mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:52 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Sending Unit


>
> "I am trying to a message a Tiger back to life after being hidden away in 
> a
> garage for almost twenty years"
>
> "Message a Tiger back to life"?  Buy it a Blackberry I guess.
>
>
> "I contacted the fellow at SS and he stated that he didn't know where 
> sending
> units can be had.....huh?.  I find this very odd.
> Know one carries new sending units?  with all of the Alpines and Tiger out
> there?  Did Rod Serling have something to do with this............Mr.
> Serling............"
>
> Presented for your approval;  no one has made a new sending unit in 45
> years.   There is a sign post up ahead, your next stop is Ebay zone! 
> (Sending
> units show up once in a while, for an unworldly price.)
>
>                                           Jeff
>
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From barncobob at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 14:17:46 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:17:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] redneck slim jim
Message-ID: <8CD7FEC2063BFA9-198-3DF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

 just cause i been eatin slim jims since the 60's don't mean imn a redneck.
o.k.. my tiger is 4WD with mudders on it. Stop bye and have a cold PBR with
us, my dogs that is..Bud,Cleitus andJ.D.

 http://www.blingcheese.com/image/code/12/redneck+dog.htm

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 14:31:26 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:31:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
In-Reply-To: <21aeb.22bfeafb.3a5ded5e@aol.com>
References: <21aeb.22bfeafb.3a5ded5e@aol.com>
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My 2 cents:

1) Timing marks on the 302 crank damper should be ok. If memory serves,
timing is 10 degrees btdc with vacuum disconnected. It should be on the
damper.

2) an aftermarket 157 tooth flywheel will work fine. The original flywheel
has a 160 tooth ring gear. Rick at SS carries the 160 tooth gear; it only
fits the 160 tooth flywheel.  Both flywheels will work with the Ford
starter.

3) The 302 takes a 6 bolt bell housing (again, if memory serves). That's the
same as the '67 289; the early 260s had 5 bold bell housings.

Tom

' 67 Mark 2

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:29 PM, <Gyroplanes at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> I'm getting closer to finishing my 302 build-up. I really appreciate your
> previous wisdom and help.
>
> I have the 1985 carb & roller 302.
>
> 1) I need to use the STOCK crank damper due to balance issues,  correct?
> What about timing marks?
>
> 2) Flywheel. I do not have the 1985 flywheel. I do have the stock 260
> flywheel and clutch mechanisms. Can this stuff be re-used? If not, any
> recommendations?
>
> I DO have the proper bell housing for my top loader and this crankcase
> (thanks to a luck flea market find)
>
> Tom  Milton
>
>
> Lansing, IL.
> 1964 Tiger  project
> B382000257
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Tue Jan 11 15:55:41 2011
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:55:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Sending Unit
In-Reply-To: <600083.31738.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110111175541.FBXRI.810815.imail@fed1rmwml36>

Call Smitty at 619 233-7937.  He will have a good used one.


---- Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
>  
> "I am trying to a message a Tiger back to life after being hidden away in a
> garage for almost twenty years"
> 
> "Message a Tiger back to life"?  Buy it a Blackberry I guess.
> 
>  
> "I contacted the fellow at SS and he stated that he didn't know where sending
> units can be had.....huh?.  I find this very odd.
> Know one carries new sending units?  with all of the Alpines and Tiger out
> there?  Did Rod Serling have something to do with this............Mr.
> Serling............"
> 
> Presented for your approval;  no one has made a new sending unit in 45
> years.   There is a sign post up ahead, your next stop is Ebay zone!  (Sending
> units show up once in a while, for an unworldly price.)
>  
>                                            Jeff
>  
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Jan 11 16:11:08 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:11:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Sending Unit
References: <600083.31738.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0EE3B599865D4E98BCFE52D678FDA19F@student2>

Most sending units develop a varnish on them that increases resistance or 
insulates the windings on the resistive wire. There "may" be some chemicals 
that will remove it. I typically clean with a very fine sandpaper.

Another issues can be poor electrical contact. Cleaning and soldering any 
connection joint should restore continuity.  Often I have soldered a shunt 
wire (very flexible wire) from the ground base to a location near the wiper 
contact for intermittent senders.

Lastly, sometimes they leak at the internal to external electrical 
connector.  A few years ago I needed to install a fuel return line for my 
Turbo Pinto.  I elected to drill a hole in the sender unit and attach the 
return there using a piece of steel tubing (it was a whole lot safer than 
soldering/welding to the tank).  Unfortunately the heat from soldering 
compromised the electrical internal/external seal.  After significant 
searching I opted to use JB Weld to re-seal the connector. Two years later 
and no leak!

If the float is brass I have had success with soldering holes. If 
plastic...,  ahhhh..., well..., I have also used floats from other senders. 
I'm sure there is something "generic" available out there.

So, the sender can be quite easily overhauled.  While I have spoken 
generically, most senders are about the same.

Lastly if you "dial in" your sender set it for "near empty" accuracy rather 
than full.  I think this is self explanatory.
Tom

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 19:04:18 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:04:18 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin0m24+vLjuOetGuCz=0z3rLP98B6PV_rqqkBZ5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21aeb.22bfeafb.3a5ded5e@aol.com>
	<AANLkTin0m24+vLjuOetGuCz=0z3rLP98B6PV_rqqkBZ5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxp3+fHf+Vj9yCXzEWgeC709BypnawqfrGzG3N@mail.gmail.com>

> 3) The 302 takes a 6 bolt bell housing (again, if memory serves). That's
> the
> same as the '67 289; the early 260s had 5 bold bell housings.
>
> Tom
>
> ' 67 Mark 2


Yes the 302's are 6 bolt, only the 260's and early cross over block 289's
run the 5 bolt. The problem for owners of the close ratio box is the narrow
bolt pattern top loader bellhousing. the MKII used the later style toploader
and had the 6 bolt bellhousing stock.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From sganz at pacbell.net  Tue Jan 11 19:49:25 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:49:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
In-Reply-To: <256631.79023.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <256631.79023.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <531080.86956.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

One thing to think about is those running the close ratio gearbox it might not
be a great solution for driveability. I have run aluminum on the race Mustang
(McLeod), now an ultra light tilton with good results, and for the Tiger it
will 
get one but these are more track intended. But as it sits with the 260
and close 
ratio box it might make starting line driveability a bit more of a
pain without 
that bit of extra weight in the flywheel, after moving it's not
a problem.

Just tossing it out...

Sandy


 
________________________________
From: Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
To:
"Gyroplanes at aol.com" <Gyroplanes at aol.com>; "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>; TheoSmit <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Sent: Tue,
January 11, 2011 12:03:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More 302 questions

I am a
huge fan of aluminum flywheels. They generally weigh 60% less than the
steel
flywheels and have a lower polar moment of initeria. This lower moment
of
inertia lets the engine rev up and down faster.  If you are drag racing a
3500
lb car, you need the large rotating mass of a steel flywheel for energy
storage to help you get off the line from dead stop, but in a 2500 lb street
Tiger it's not necessary. My Tiger engine revs up so easily, I can't even give
it full throttle until I'm doing 40 mph or I just spin the tires. I am
traction limited. So not only is there less stress on the engine rotating
assembly, but the overall vehicle weight drops another 10-15  lbs, too.

Gary
--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:


From:
Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More 302 questions
To: "Gyroplanes at aol.com" <Gyroplanes at aol.com>, "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 10:04 AM


Hi Tom,
You need a damper and flywheel that are suitable for the 5.0, which has a 50
oz-inch external balance requirement. The 260 flywheel and damper are
weighted
for a 28 oz-inch external balance so they will not work with your engine.

On
the other hand, it's easy and inexpensive to get a brand new steel
flywheel
from Summit or Jegs. A centerforce or Ford motorsport diaphragm clutch will
work great.

Cheers,
Theo





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From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 11 20:09:35 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:09:35 -0600
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Message-ID: <20110112030907.E2F78187644@autox.team.net>

Lakewood had or has a bellhousing that is six bolt at the engine and has both the wide and narrow toploader tranny patterns. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 20:04
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
To: "Tom Parker" <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>, <Gyroplanes at aol.com>


> 3) The 302 takes a 6 bolt bell housing (again, if memory serves). That's
> the
> same as the '67 289; the early 260s had 5 bold bell housings.
>
> Tom
>
> ' 67 Mark 2


Yes the 302's are 6 bolt, only the 260's and early cross over block 289's
run the 5 bolt. The problem for owners of the close ratio box is the narrow
bolt pattern top loader bellhousing. the MKII used the later style toploader
and had the 6 bolt bellhousing stock.

-- 
Regards

Michael King
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From denismercier at telvic.net  Wed Jan 12 07:10:09 2011
From: denismercier at telvic.net (Mercier Denis)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:10:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] PCV valve
Message-ID: <5aa4c53e6e38d8ae8f6d8b48ef90104a@telvic.net>

Hi Listers.
I'm looking on the National Parts Depot catalog for PCV valve and grommet. Is
someone can tell me wichone i have to buy for my Tiger with original valve
cover ?
        Thanks !
        Denis.
       MK1A

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jan 12 08:51:01 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:51:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] PCV valve
In-Reply-To: <5aa4c53e6e38d8ae8f6d8b48ef90104a@telvic.net>
Message-ID: <79A7DC6340DF4F4FBB0D0493E1777E7F@ronpc1>

Denis
	There are 2 possible configurations.
Early configuration:
Hose - C3DE-6A664-A	this hose has 1 right angle bend
Hose clips - 97331-S	2 single wire Corbin type clamps
PCV valve - C3TZ-6A666-A	PCV valve with threaded fitting
Adaptor - 378754	brass right angle adaptor for hose and threaded for
the PCV valve
Adaptor - 378766-S	valve cover rubber grommet

Later configuration; I believe this started with the later B19KC engine
group but have not confirmed this.

Hose - this hose has 2 right angle bends
PCV valve -  this valve has a push on hose fitting

Valve cover grommet - NPD# - 6A892-1

PCV Hose - 6A664-1A	has 2 bends but could be cut for the early
configuration

PCV valve
Early		May not be available any more
Later - 6A666-2	this valve is also referred to as an EV-8
 
PCV right angle adaptor - 6A706-1A this should work but I can not tell from
the picture

Hose clamps - 6A664-2K	you can also find this clamp at a Hardware store

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Mercier Denis
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:10 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] PCV valve


Hi Listers.
I'm looking on the National Parts Depot catalog for PCV valve and grommet.
Is someone can tell me wichone i have to buy for my Tiger with original
valve cover ?
        Thanks !
        Denis.
       MK1A
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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Wed Jan 12 09:44:26 2011
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:44:26 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] PCV valve
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds17FB089C8BA94FD58B965FADF10@phx.gbl>

  Prev    Next    Normal view To: 2.DGwebtv 
From: D or G at sbc 
Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:41 AM 
 
? 
The original valve was Ford #C3TZ-6A666-A which was actually an AC Delco part #CV643C. If you look at your original Tiger PCV valve this AC643C number, and the Ford number (the Ford number changed over the years) will be on it. 
There are several Ford and AC valves on eBay now, the cheapest is this one. All 260 Tigers used this valve.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260670551441

David Franchi

From wwwdg at webtv.net  Wed Jan 12 09:59:17 2011
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:59:17 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] PCV valve
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds39EE8825DB1CD4E9B3160ADF10@phx.gbl>

Another eBay PCV valve, expensive, but with a listing of all the cars it fits. Hopefully he didn't make any mistakes on his list.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310281435444

David

From sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Thu Jan 13 16:32:32 2011
From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com (sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:32:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
Message-ID: <8CD8191490DE0A5-1A6C-1CBD@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>

Does anyone have a tip on how to replace a rear wheel lug stud on a Tiger
without pulling the axle?
?
Steve Halbrook

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Thu Jan 13 21:20:58 2011
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:20:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] More 302 questions
References: <256631.79023.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EE8BD52D75844A5A8EF4C43B71A570E9@bob>

I agree with Gary on aluminum flywheels. I've had one in my Tiger for 30+ 
yrs now. The rpms go up and down so quick you need to learn how to shift all 
over again. And you have to be a bit more careful about suddenly lifting the 
throttle in a corner.

I let my son autocross my Tiger when he turned 16. I warned him  about 
lifting in the corners. He lifted, spun the car just missing a light pole 
and flat-spotted my brand new Firestone's. He listens better now that he's 
45.

Bob H

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<Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More 302 questions


>I am a huge fan of aluminum flywheels. They generally weigh 60% less than 
>the
> steel flywheels and have a lower polar moment of initeria. This lower 
> moment
> of inertia lets the engine rev up and down faster.  If you are drag racing 
> a
> 3500 lb car, you need the large rotating mass of a steel flywheel for 
> energy
> storage to help you get off the line from dead stop, but in a 2500 lb 
> street
> Tiger it's not necessary. My Tiger engine revs up so easily, I can't even 
> give
> it full throttle until I'm doing 40 mph or I just spin the tires. I am
> traction limited. So not only is there less stress on the engine rotating
> assembly, but the overall vehicle weight drops another 10-15  lbs, too.
>
> Gary

From jsnell22001 at q.com  Thu Jan 13 22:02:11 2011
From: jsnell22001 at q.com (Jim Snell)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:02:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner
Message-ID: <Bay137-DS154ED624FC2CE6AE8E9D67E7F30@phx.gbl>

Can anyone tell me about this Tiger air cleaner and what they are worth?
Picture can be found at the following link: http://trrfcc.com/tiger air
cleaner.jpg

From jsnell22001 at q.com  Thu Jan 13 22:37:50 2011
From: jsnell22001 at q.com (JIM SNELL)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:37:50 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner
In-Reply-To: <Bay137-DS154ED624FC2CE6AE8E9D67E7F30@phx.gbl>
References: <Bay137-DS154ED624FC2CE6AE8E9D67E7F30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY137-W2731F1482C0E5404ABC077E7F30@phx.gbl>

Will try the link one more time....not sure if the mailer is stripping
characters:
http://trrfcc.com/tiger%20air%20cleaner.jpg



> From: jsnell22001 at q.com
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:02:11 -0700
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner
>
> Can anyone tell me about this Tiger air cleaner and what they are worth?
> Picture can be found at the following link: http://trrfcc.com/tiger air
> cleaner.jpg
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 00:08:24 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:08:24 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner
In-Reply-To: <BAY137-W2731F1482C0E5404ABC077E7F30@phx.gbl>
References: <Bay137-DS154ED624FC2CE6AE8E9D67E7F30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY137-W2731F1482C0E5404ABC077E7F30@phx.gbl>
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Jim,

These were made starting in the 70's, ibelieve tiger tim may have made the
first bath (witha tiger head LAT style) bolt rto secure it. They are done in
the same style as the LAT rocker covers and sump and are aftermarket, not a
factory or LAT part. Since then many people have done runs of them in the
USA and UK.. across 70's, 80's, 90's and evena few years back. Quality
varies.

As for price.. it all depends what you are willing to pay.. they generally
go for less than a stock item, but still sell for a few hundred USD.

On 14 January 2011 16:37, JIM SNELL <jsnell22001 at q.com> wrote:

> Will try the link one more time....not sure if the mailer is stripping
> characters:
> http://trrfcc.com/tiger%20air%20cleaner.jpg
>
>
>
> > From: jsnell22001 at q.com
> > To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:02:11 -0700
> > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner
>  >
> > Can anyone tell me about this Tiger air cleaner and what they are worth?
> > Picture can be found at the following link: http://trrfcc.com/tiger air
> > cleaner.jpg
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 02:52:02 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:52:02 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=X=W=bUwjWvvNJTLKGBkROdS6M2jtRVKUy=zXu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Bay137-DS154ED624FC2CE6AE8E9D67E7F30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY137-W2731F1482C0E5404ABC077E7F30@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTi=X=W=bUwjWvvNJTLKGBkROdS6M2jtRVKUy=zXu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2-PXu2-4oKPC6xYtBQM8dYssA_jOBEqrHL5ic@mail.gmail.com>

 y reply should have said tiger tom.. unless there is a Tiger Tim out there
in sunbeam land ;-P


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>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jan 14 06:42:46 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin2-PXu2-4oKPC6xYtBQM8dYssA_jOBEqrHL5ic@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB60335FCACA4A8289D0627B9EEFB8FE@ronpc1>

	Correct, I do believe Tiger Tom commissioned the first batch of that
air cleaner made from aluminum.   I also believe he had them numbered and he
kept records of who bought them and the corresponding number.

I also believe others have made copies but I'm not sure of that.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:52 AM
To: JIM SNELL
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner


 y reply should have said tiger tom.. unless there is a Tiger Tim out there
in sunbeam land ;-P


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>
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 08:25:22 2011
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:25:22 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Air Cleaner
Message-ID: <ec214.316430f0.3a61c4e2@aol.com>

Tiger Tom did sell these cast aluminum air cleaners back in about 1992  or 
so. There were 152 units made; a unit consists of top plate, bottom plate 
and  the tiger head hold down nut. Each set was numbered and each piece has 
that  particular serial number. They were made in the Lehigh Valley, PA. The 
last  unit went to Wally Swift.
 
Someone in Florida made reproductions of this air cleaner but without the  
serial numbers. I guess you could call these after after market 
reproductions.  :)
 
Fred Baum
Owner of set #71 
 
 
In a message dated 1/14/2011 9:01:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:

Correct, I do believe Tiger Tom commissioned the first batch of  that
air cleaner made from aluminum.   I also believe he had them  numbered and 
he
kept records of who bought them and the corresponding  number.

I also believe others have made copies but I'm not sure of  that.

Ron Fraser

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On  Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:52 AM
To: JIM  SNELL
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Air  Cleaner


y reply should have said tiger tom.. unless there is a  Tiger Tim out there
in sunbeam land ;-P


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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 13:29:50 2011
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:29:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
In-Reply-To: <8CD8191490DE0A5-1A6C-1CBD@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTik7rUrHLAi=mX8kxokzbkPD6r775Cp=_Kr8b3s=@mail.gmail.com>

I have not tried it but I believe you can notch the flange that holds the
studs and get the stud to fit into the hole and pull it snug with a lugnut.
 Good Luck
    Jeff
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:32 PM, <sjhcobra1 at cs.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a tip on how to replace a rear wheel lug stud on a Tiger
> without pulling the axle?
> ?
> Steve Halbrook
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 13:40:42 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
References: <AANLkTinaAO11dObAhu86H7uSrHrJ2Oi6nX0trZU6jnxL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46588F3C-E760-4E93-AE7A-BB87619534DE@gmail.com>

I sent this to Steve yesterday


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
> Date: January 13, 2011 23:24:05 EST
> To: sjhcobra1 at cs.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
> Reply-To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com
>

> removing the old one is easy, just cut it shorter and tap it one.
>
> to insert a new one, you can cut a v from the axle flange with a
> hacksaw and then cut a flat on part of the head of the new stud.  then
> there is enough space to get it in.
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:32 PM,  <sjhcobra1 at cs.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone have a tip on how to replace a rear wheel lug stud on a Tiger
>> without pulling the axle?
>> ?
>> Steve Halbrook
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Jan 14 14:12:58 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:12:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
In-Reply-To: <46588F3C-E760-4E93-AE7A-BB87619534DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110114161259.GXBSL.675124.imail@eastrmwml44>

Or, you could just do it correctly and pull the axle out.  It's not that difficult to do and, in the end, you have made no modifications or compromises.  I can understand why you would not want to have to pull the axle, but always remember...there's the quick way, and then there's the right way, and rarely do the two meet.

Best of luck,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740



---- Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I sent this to Steve yesterday
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
> > Date: January 13, 2011 23:24:05 EST
> > To: sjhcobra1 at cs.com
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
> > Reply-To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com
> >
> 
> > removing the old one is easy, just cut it shorter and tap it one.
> >
> > to insert a new one, you can cut a v from the axle flange with a
> > hacksaw and then cut a flat on part of the head of the new stud.  then
> > there is enough space to get it in.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:32 PM,  <sjhcobra1 at cs.com> wrote:
> >> Does anyone have a tip on how to replace a rear wheel lug stud on a Tiger
> >> without pulling the axle?
> >> ?
> >> Steve Halbrook
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 14 14:33:29 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:33:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik7rUrHLAi=mX8kxokzbkPD6r775Cp=_Kr8b3s=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <901536.17113.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Removing the axles was definitely a learning experience and it took the Kroil
oil a few days to work its way in on the drivers side but if I had to replace
lug bolts again, I would not cut the axle flange or weaken the lug bolt, I
would pull it again. I replaced all bearings but I'm certain  I could have
just repacked them.To each his own but there is a right way and a wrong way to
do every job. If you took your Tiger to a shop and later learned they cut the
flange and the lug bolt to save time, you would be one pissed off owner. Just
my 2 cents worth.
TonytheTiger

> Does anyone have a tip on how to replace a rear wheel lug stud on a Tiger
> without pulling the axle?
> ?
> Steve Halbrook
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Jan 14 15:03:12 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:03:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
References: <901536.17113.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <569D89E5261C4151BBA79D8DF91AF739@student2>

Well..., there is the joyful task of pulling the hub as another option.

Tom

From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 15:06:44 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:06:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger...Mustang Bullitt
Message-ID: <1239a.1049c11c.3a6222f4@aol.com>

I saw this quote in a newspaper.....".....Ford created two special edition  
Bullitt Mustangs for consumers in 2001 and 2008. For the 2008 edition, ford 
 engineers used a digitally mastered DVD of the movie to achieve just the 
right  exhaust note."
I guess I assumed that in the movie the exhaust sound was from a sound  
track and not the actual sound from the car.   Where would the  recording 
device have been located?  To me it's like listening to a car  from about 20 ft. 
away.  Would there have been a vehicle following with a  recording device?
Mark

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 14 15:42:19 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:42:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
In-Reply-To: <569D89E5261C4151BBA79D8DF91AF739@student2>
Message-ID: <910508.58271.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't have a garage at my home but a shop on the other side of our small
town, so I can't just walk out and look but there "might" be one way that
would work. A hole drilled thru the brake backing plate. As the backing plate
is so close to the axle hub that it is impossible to get a lug bolt between
the two- least wise not square enough to insert the new bolt. It would have to
be inspected and see that it wouldnt interfere with anything, be large enough
for the big end to pass thru and you would want to match the size with a hole
plug so with a bit of silicone and the plug, no water, dirt etc would get
inside of the hub. I dont know if this is possible but it may be worth looking
at.
TtT
--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 4:03 PM


Well..., there is the joyful task of pulling the hub as another option.

Tom
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Jan 14 15:58:28 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:58:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger...Mustang Bullitt
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Message-ID: <7BFEFC64D65642F0932F9F9377E5A821@student2>

>>>I guess I assumed that in the movie the exhaust sound was from a sound 
>>>track and not the actual sound from the car. Where would the  recording 
>>>device have been located?<<<

Actually the term "Motor Mouth" has more than one meaning. The sound effect 
is actually created be a human voice in a sound booth.  Young boys (before 
they can even reach the pedals) spend countless hours sitting in their 
fathers car perfecting the variable sound of a motor. Young men reaching 
puberty are actually the most sought after for this sound effect.  They are 
not driving yet and have not lost this skill.  At the same time their voice 
has lowered and they can effectively simulate the sound of a V-8 engine. :-)

But, if you don't believe that..., Buck works as a sound recorder, and 
hopefully he will chime in.

Tom 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 17:12:09 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:12:09 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger...Mustang Bullitt
In-Reply-To: <1239a.1049c11c.3a6222f4@aol.com>
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I thought i remember reading that the BULLIT mustang sound was actually
recorded from a GT40 and then dubbed over the movie. This was in an artcile
in C&S maybe 3-4years back looking at all the mustang models and discussed a
bullit replica. To me that sounds more likely.

As for the making the new car sound right.. as with many cars these days
their tuned exhausts and valves in the mufflers and patterned resonators are
all there to fake the sound of a hard engine.. there is nothing like the
sound of an actual motor breathing down the pipes that gets harder under
acceleration as opposed to a clever exhaust that sounds like armogedan as
the owner poses at 20mph. That said.. those AMG63 mercs do sound great.. but
they are only going 20mph..

On 15 January 2011 09:06, <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:

> I saw this quote in a newspaper.....".....Ford created two special edition
> Bullitt Mustangs for consumers in 2001 and 2008. For the 2008 edition, ford
>  engineers used a digitally mastered DVD of the movie to achieve just the
> right  exhaust note."
> I guess I assumed that in the movie the exhaust sound was from a sound
> track and not the actual sound from the car.   Where would the  recording
> device have been located?  To me it's like listening to a car  from about
> 20 ft.
> away.  Would there have been a vehicle following with a  recording device?
> Mark
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From barncobob at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 19:07:12 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:07:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] gas filler gizmo does not work
Message-ID: <8CD82700EF2C750-D58-4704@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>

well i tried the McCuff filler for cycles but didnt work for me. Im out 10.18
but it was worth a try. gas is 3.50 in Ca. now and going up. im looking at
another "invention" from a cycle company that is a close copy of one of our
members that swears it works. will keep informed as long as the $ hold out. I
tried the facing nozzle forward and lifting rear portion of suction nozzle but
not much better.
I may try two 2 5 gallons refill jugs and do it at home.

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 19:46:43 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
In-Reply-To: <910508.58271.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <910508.58271.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9AA6B9D8-FA91-4FE4-87A3-340AF8D6B98F@gmail.com>

that doesn't work sadly Tony.  I had discs on the back when I broke mine so
the drums were not an issue.  the only way is to pull the hub or notch the
axle flange.

with a good custom made puller that doesn't flex, pulling the hubs is a breeze
anyhow.  especially if they have  been off recently.  without the right tool,
they will never come off....

On Jan 14, 2011, at 17:42, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't have a garage at my home but a shop on the other side of our small
> town, so I can't just walk out and look but there "might" be one way that
> would work. A hole drilled thru the brake backing plate. As the backing
plate
> is so close to the axle hub that it is impossible to get a lug bolt between
> the two- least wise not square enough to insert the new bolt. It would have
to
> be inspected and see that it wouldnt interfere with anything, be large
enough
> for the big end to pass thru and you would want to match the size with a
hole
> plug so with a bit of silicone and the plug, no water, dirt etc would get
> inside of the hub. I dont know if this is possible but it may be worth
looking
> at.
> TtT
> --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 4:03 PM
>
>
> Well..., there is the joyful task of pulling the hub as another option.
>
> Tom
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 14 21:29:34 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:29:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
In-Reply-To: <9AA6B9D8-FA91-4FE4-87A3-340AF8D6B98F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <162966.4839.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well it was a thought- admitdly without examining the backing plate. I can
reccomend a good coat of antisieze prior to reinstalling the axle. That way
the next person, yourself or another, will be able to easily pull the
axle(s).

--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
To: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>, "Thomas Witt"
<atwittsend at verizon.net>
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 8:46 PM


that doesn't work sadly Tony.  I had discs on the back when I broke mine so
the drums were not an issue.  the only way is to pull the hub or notch the
axle flange.

with a good custom made puller that doesn't flex, pulling the hubs is a breeze
anyhow.  especially if they have  been off recently.  without the right tool,
they will never come off....

On Jan 14, 2011, at 17:42, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't have a garage at my home but a shop on the other side of our small
> town, so I can't just walk out and look but there "might" be one way that
> would work. A hole drilled thru the brake backing plate. As the backing
plate
> is so close to the axle hub that it is impossible to get a lug bolt between
> the two- least wise not square enough to insert the new bolt. It would have
to
> be inspected and see that it wouldnt interfere with anything, be large
enough
> for the big end to pass thru and you would want to match the size with a
hole
> plug so with a bit of silicone and the plug, no water, dirt etc would get
> inside of the hub. I dont know if this is possible but it may be worth
looking
> at.
> TtT
> --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 4:03 PM
>
>
> Well..., there is the joyful task of pulling the hub as another option.
>
> Tom
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Jan 14 21:40:51 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:40:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud
In-Reply-To: <8CD8191490DE0A5-1A6C-1CBD@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD8191490DE0A5-1A6C-1CBD@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cbb46e$63abb230$2b031690$@rr.com>

Steve,

I may be willing to loan you my hub puller.  I used it again today to remove
the hubs so I could get the backing plates off.  The hubs came off will less
the 25 lbs torque on the bolts.  Much easier that when I pulled them to
replace the bearings months ago.

Give me a call 913 250 6604.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of sjhcobra1 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:33 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Replacing a rear wheel lug stud

Does anyone have a tip on how to replace a rear wheel lug stud on a Tiger
without pulling the axle?
?
Steve Halbrook
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Sat Jan 15 06:18:40 2011
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] engine sounds
Message-ID: <002001cbb4b6$ba691ed0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

I had the pleasure the other day to do some repairs on a AMG 6.3 in a C class
body,  had I not seen the under side of the car I would have sworn the exhaust
was modified or aftermarket,  but it wasn't...it was almost as good as a
Cammer with side pipes....The test drive was equally rewarding,  with the
tracs off,  it would not come close to hooking up,  but with it on,  it was
impressive,  Clyde

From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 09:29:24 2011
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] gas filler gizmo does not work
In-Reply-To: <8CD82700EF2C750-D58-4704@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD82700EF2C750-D58-4704@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinCT5A=w37FOX_pOvHr-M0qyPFfXOhKPE62v3zT@mail.gmail.com>

Here Mass we have those evap. snorkles on the pump nozzles what I do is pull
the snorkle up with one hand and squeeze the trigger with the other.
  might get your hands dirty though
 Regards
     Jeff

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:07 PM, <barncobob at aol.com> wrote:

> well i tried the McCuff filler for cycles but didnt work for me. Im out
> 10.18
> but it was worth a try. gas is 3.50 in Ca. now and going up. im looking at
> another "invention" from a cycle company that is a close copy of one of our
> members that swears it works. will keep informed as long as the $ hold out.
> I
> tried the facing nozzle forward and lifting rear portion of suction nozzle
> but
> not much better.
> I may try two 2 5 gallons refill jugs and do it at home.
> _______________________________________________
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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Sat Jan 15 13:12:51 2011
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:12:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1295118002.21433.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.17.1295118002.21433.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <31C136AB238E453CA7DA558DED76B4BE@unhackable>

I see (hear) what you mean.
Plenty of owners have posted sound bits on Youtube.
On further Googling:
"When designing the sound, the aim was to create a perfect synthesis of
aggressiveness and the comfort on long journeys that is the hallmark of a
Mercedes. The goal of the developers was to achieve an emotional experience
when accelerating and rev-matching, but unobtrusiveness at constant speeds"
Impressive, given:
"The requirements for the exhaust system were complex: low exhaust emissions,
compliance with country-specific standards and a characteristic AMG engine
sound. "

I'm sure Rootes went to the same trouble


Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:18:40 -0500
From: "Clyde McLaughlin" <clydemclaughlin at verizon.net>
Subject: [Tigers] engine sounds
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002001cbb4b6$ba691ed0$0201a8c0 at chesapeake4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I had the pleasure the other day to do some repairs on a AMG 6.3 in a C class
body,  had I not seen the under side of the car I would have sworn the
exhaust
was modified or aftermarket,  but it wasn't...it was almost as good as a
Cammer with side pipes....The test drive was equally rewarding,  with the
tracs off,  it would not come close to hooking up,  but with it on,  it was
impressive,  Clyde

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif]

From modtiger at comcast.net  Sat Jan 15 13:29:04 2011
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:29:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sounds like a Tiger
In-Reply-To: <31C136AB238E453CA7DA558DED76B4BE@unhackable>
References: <mailman.17.1295118002.21433.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<31C136AB238E453CA7DA558DED76B4BE@unhackable>
Message-ID: <4D320390.9060205@comcast.net>

On 1/15/2011 12:12 PM, Pointers wrote:
> I see (hear) what you mean.
> Plenty of owners have posted sound bits on Youtube.
> On further Googling:
> "When designing the sound, the aim was to create a perfect synthesis of
> aggressiveness and the comfort on long journeys that is the hallmark of a
> Mercedes. The goal of the developers was to achieve an emotional experience
> when accelerating and rev-matching, but unobtrusiveness at constant speeds"
> Impressive, given:
> "The requirements for the exhaust system were complex: low exhaust emissions,
> compliance with country-specific standards and a characteristic AMG engine
> sound. "
>
> I'm sure Rootes went to the same trouble
You ever hear another car that sounded like a Tiger?  Easy to identify, 
once your familiar with that sound.

-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan 15 14:40:12 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:40:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What Dan did before being a mechanic!
Message-ID: <4D32143C.2020206@socal.rr.com>

Dan Walters is one of the most knowledgeable "hands on" mechanic I know.

But, what was his background?  What did he do?

Now the truth an be revealed!

Steve
-- 

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com /* <http://www.tigersunited.com>


THE GYNECOLOGIST WHO BECAME A MECHANIC

A gynecologist had  become fed up with malpractice insurance and HMO
paperwork, and was burned out.  Hoping to try another career where 
skillful hands
would be beneficial, he  decided to become a mechanic. He went to the local
technical college, signed up  for evening classes, attended diligently, and
learned all he could.

When  the time of the practical exam approached, the gynecologist prepared
carefully  for weeks, and completed the exam with tremendous skill. When 
the
results came  back, he was surprised to find that he had obtained a score
of 150%. Fearing an  error, he called the Instructor, saying, "I don't want
to appear ungrateful for  such an outstanding result, but I wonder if there
is an error in the  grade?"

"The instructor said, "During the exam, you took the engine apart
perfectly, which was worth 50% of the total mark. You put the engine 
back  together
again perfectly, which is also worth 50% of the mark." After a pause,  the
instructor added, "I gave you an extra 50% because you did it all through
the muffler, which I've never seen done in my entire  career
<http://www.tigersunited.com>

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Jan 15 15:57:48 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:57:48 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Rear RX7 Disk Brake install finished.
In-Reply-To: <002001cbb4b6$ba691ed0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
References: <002001cbb4b6$ba691ed0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <000301cbb507$a1b2a8b0$e517fa10$@rr.com>

I won't post it all here.

Go to this link to get the scoop -
http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15458

Thanks to all that helped with pictures and advice.  As soon as the snow
melts I will go see how they work.

Duke
382002037

From Carmods at aol.com  Sun Jan 16 08:50:43 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:50:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear RX7 Disk Brake
Message-ID: <5d881.6c381022.3a646dd1@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/15/2011 5:58:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

_http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15458_ 
(http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15458) 






In reference to Dukes web site article, I will e-mail  my Mazda brake 
article to anyone who is interested. Yes my son John Jr.  has adaptor brackets. 
He has moved to Boyne City Michigan and can be reached  to 313 410 7959 or  
_1slainte at gmail.com_ (mailto:1slainte at gmail.com)  . I have several  sets of 
new Mazda disks that would require machining to fit the  Sunbeam.
 
John Logan

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Jan 16 10:20:00 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:20:00 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Rear RX7 Disk Brake
In-Reply-To: <5d881.6c381022.3a646dd1@aol.com>
References: <5d881.6c381022.3a646dd1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbb5a1$9b7f3b80$d27db280$@rr.com>

Good info John.  I highly recommend that the adapter plates are purchased
from your son.  Getting them made locally took lots of time.

And thanks you John for an outstanding article and help on the phone.

Duke
382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:51 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Rear RX7 Disk Brake

In a message dated 1/15/2011 5:58:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

_http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15458_ 
(http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15458) 






In reference to Dukes web site article, I will e-mail  my Mazda brake 
article to anyone who is interested. Yes my son John Jr.  has adaptor
brackets. 
He has moved to Boyne City Michigan and can be reached  to 313 410 7959 or  
_1slainte at gmail.com_ (mailto:1slainte at gmail.com)  . I have several  sets of 
new Mazda disks that would require machining to fit the  Sunbeam.
 
John Logan
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From v8cat at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 13:13:02 2011
From: v8cat at yahoo.com (v8cat)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:13:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Book/Parts
In-Reply-To: <BAY137-W2731F1482C0E5404ABC077E7F30@phx.gbl>
References: <Bay137-DS154ED624FC2CE6AE8E9D67E7F30@phx.gbl>
	<BAY137-W2731F1482C0E5404ABC077E7F30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42559.16056.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If anyone is interested in a Book or half a dozen parts please contact me 
offline.

Thanks, v8cat at yahoo.com

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 15:32:16 2011
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:32:16 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Veneer
Message-ID: <BD38C11AAECE429DAF2CEC2A6269EA1E@OfficePC>

Hey,

 

I'm going to re-veneer my dash and I found some walnut burl at Constantine's
(http://www.constantines.com/walnutburl2.aspx) that looks like it will do
the job but the smallest piece is 2' x 4'.  It looks like I only need about
1' x 4'.  Does anybody know of another place that sales burl veneer like
this in smaller sizes?  I prefer this type of veneer that is already matched
and has a backing.

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From Parlanti at comcast.net  Sun Jan 16 16:06:20 2011
From: Parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:06:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Veneer
In-Reply-To: <BD38C11AAECE429DAF2CEC2A6269EA1E@OfficePC>
References: <BD38C11AAECE429DAF2CEC2A6269EA1E@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <000901cbb5d1$fd6e2ec0$f84a8c40$@net>

Joe,

I bought the same veneer from Constantine's several years ago to do my dash.
Actually, I bought it from Larry Paulick who bought it from them. He used
enough to do his dash and sold me the rest to do mine. I'm sure if you buy
the piece, you'll have no trouble finding another Tiger owner who will buy
the other half from you. BTW, here's a link to an article I wrote on the
dash restoration process:

http://tigersunited.com/techtips/ParlantiDash/rt-ParlantiDash1.asp

Cheers,

Joe Parlanti
B382000026


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 5:32 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Veneer

Hey,

 

I'm going to re-veneer my dash and I found some walnut burl at Constantine's
(http://www.constantines.com/walnutburl2.aspx) that looks like it will do
the job but the smallest piece is 2' x 4'.  It looks like I only need about
1' x 4'.  Does anybody know of another place that sales burl veneer like
this in smaller sizes?  I prefer this type of veneer that is already matched
and has a backing.

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Jan 16 18:54:09 2011
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:54:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Veneer
In-Reply-To: <000901cbb5d1$fd6e2ec0$f84a8c40$@net>
References: <BD38C11AAECE429DAF2CEC2A6269EA1E@OfficePC>
	<000901cbb5d1$fd6e2ec0$f84a8c40$@net>
Message-ID: <0B36F6FA819548CDABDAB53FDD99BAC1@DavePC>

Joe;

Beautiful job!

But what is that big red button (warning light?) between the fuel gauge and 
the clock?

Dave






 Joe,

 I bought the same veneer from Constantine's several years ago to do my 
dash.
 Actually, I bought it from Larry Paulick who bought it from them. He used
 enough to do his dash and sold me the rest to do mine. I'm sure if you buy
 the piece, you'll have no trouble finding another Tiger owner who will buy
 the other half from you. BTW, here's a link to an article I wrote on the
 dash restoration process:

 http://tigersunited.com/techtips/ParlantiDash/rt-ParlantiDash1.asp

 Cheers,

 Joe Parlanti
 B382000026

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jan 16 19:42:29 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:42:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Tigers] New Forum
Message-ID: <20110117024229.48E0E2E076@bradakis.com>

After watching more football this weekend than I usually do,
I thought Team.Net folks might want to have a chance to talk
sports with other Team.Net folks, so I set up

http://www.team.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=16

We'll see if it becomes as popular as some of the
other forums there ;-)  Hey, I try.

Somedays I am tempted to just chuck all the email lists and go
strictly forum format, but there's too many old dogs who prefer
getting the lists in the same manner as they have for the last 20
years or so.

So basically you Cheeseheads out there now have a place
to whine next week when Da Bears get done with the Packers.

mjb.

From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Jan 16 21:08:01 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:08:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <31C136AB238E453CA7DA558DED76B4BE@unhackable>
References: <mailman.17.1295118002.21433.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<31C136AB238E453CA7DA558DED76B4BE@unhackable>
Message-ID: <258907.5202.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Clyde -

Had an AMG SLS out for the show the other day and I had the same
thought, Damn 
they got a big exhaust sound on this car. It rung a bell of
60's big block. In a 
sad way I think they (Euro) cars have lost their sweet
and distinctive sound. 
While lightly tooling around in the car the exhause
even did a bit of the 
crackle/pop on the computerized rev match downshift.
The car was sick fast with 
the computer gearbox and clutch work. Could not
trick it into a standing 
burnout, but got it sideways once rolling with the
computer as off as I could 
get it. Then promptly drove it to a Del Taco for
the break in...

I miss the straight 6 of BMW in the older M3's, seem all the
cars with the big 
v8/v10 have the sound of old school american iron.

Sandy
________________________________
From: Pointers <gpointer at telusplanet.net>
To:
tigers at autox.team.net; clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011
12:12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21

I see (hear)
what you mean.
Plenty of owners have posted sound bits on Youtube.
On further
Googling:
"When designing the sound, the aim was to create a perfect synthesis
of
aggressiveness and the comfort on long journeys that is the hallmark of a
Mercedes. The goal of the developers was to achieve an emotional experience
when accelerating and rev-matching, but unobtrusiveness at constant speeds"
Impressive, given:
"The requirements for the exhaust system were complex: low
exhaust emissions,
compliance with country-specific standards and a
characteristic AMG engine
sound. "

I'm sure Rootes went to the same trouble
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:18:40 -0500
From: "Clyde McLaughlin"
<clydemclaughlin at verizon.net>
Subject: [Tigers] engine sounds
To:
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Message-ID:
<002001cbb4b6$ba691ed0$0201a8c0 at chesapeake4>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"

I had the pleasure the other day to do some repairs on a
AMG 6.3 in a C class
body,  had I not seen the under side of the car I would
have sworn the
exhaust
was modified or aftermarket,  but it wasn't...it was
almost as good as a
Cammer with side pipes....The test drive was equally
rewarding,  with the
tracs off,  it would not come close to hooking up,  but
with it on,  it was
impressive,  Clyde

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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Sun Jan 16 22:55:07 2011
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <258907.5202.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.17.1295118002.21433.tigers@autox.team.net>
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The sound of the current M3's V8 at it's 8,300 redline might harken you back
to the euro-sounds of old that you long for.



From: Sandy Ganz
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:08 PM
To: Pointers ; tigers at autox.team.net ; clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21


Clyde -

Had an AMG SLS out for the show the other day and I had the same thought, Damn
they got a big exhaust sound on this car. It rung a bell of 60's big block. In
a sad way I think they (Euro) cars have lost their sweet and distinctive
sound. While lightly tooling around in the car the exhause even did a bit of
the crackle/pop on the computerized rev match downshift. The car was sick fast
with the computer gearbox and clutch work. Could not trick it into a standing
burnout, but got it sideways once rolling with the computer as off as I could
get it. Then promptly drove it to a Del Taco for the break in...

I miss the straight 6 of BMW in the older M3's, seem all the cars with the big
v8/v10 have the sound of old school american iron.

Sandy




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From: Pointers <gpointer at telusplanet.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net; clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 12:12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21

I see (hear) what you mean.
Plenty of owners have posted sound bits on Youtube.
On further Googling:
"When designing the sound, the aim was to create a perfect synthesis of
aggressiveness and the comfort on long journeys that is the hallmark of a
Mercedes. The goal of the developers was to achieve an emotional experience
when accelerating and rev-matching, but unobtrusiveness at constant speeds"
Impressive, given:
"The requirements for the exhaust system were complex: low exhaust emissions,
compliance with country-specific standards and a characteristic AMG engine
sound. "

I'm sure Rootes went to the same trouble


Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:18:40 -0500
From: "Clyde McLaughlin" <clydemclaughlin at verizon.net>
Subject: [Tigers] engine sounds
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002001cbb4b6$ba691ed0$0201a8c0 at chesapeake4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I had the pleasure the other day to do some repairs on a AMG 6.3 in a C class
body,  had I not seen the under side of the car I would have sworn the
exhaust
was modified or aftermarket,  but it wasn't...it was almost as good as a
Cammer with side pipes....The test drive was equally rewarding,  with the
tracs off,  it would not come close to hooking up,  but with it on,  it was
impressive,  Clyde

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From cburruss at hiwaay.net  Mon Jan 17 13:30:17 2011
From: cburruss at hiwaay.net (James W. Burruss, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:30:17 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Veneer
Message-ID: <002f01cbb685$5b0d1240$2e01a8c0@Jim>

I recommend checking with Bob Morgan Woodworking Supplies, Inc., Box 35,
Westport, KY 40077; phone 502-265-0954; www.morganwood.com.

It is a small operation, and Mr. Morgan will likely answer the phone.  He is
very helpful.

Jim Burruss
B9472671 LRXFE (with a beautiful Brazilian rosewood dash)
Harvest, Alabama

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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 17 14:33:28 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Veneer
Message-ID: <4D34B5A8.6000108@roadrunner.com>

"But what is that big red button (warning light?) between the fuel gauge and
the clock?"

I don't know where that particular Tiger was purchased or what model year it was, but when I got my Tiger in October of '66 (registered as a '67), there were some new safety laws in NY.  Among other things, seat belts and a four-way flasher were required.  In my case the dealer drilled a big honkin' hole in my dash and mounted the four-way flasher there.  It was one of those things that had a red cover over the bulb that you pulled out to activate them.  The one in Joe's dash looks to be similar.  When I redid my dash, I got rid of it and replaced it with a small toggle switch mounted in an auxiliary panel.  There is a tip about doing it in the CAT Notes.  Constantine's, BTW, is the best source for veneer.  As someone else said, you can probably sell what you don't use to someone else.

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Jan 17 14:55:15 2011
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:55:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Veneer
In-Reply-To: <4D34B5A8.6000108@roadrunner.com>
References: <4D34B5A8.6000108@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <AAB56C8224D046C9B40F3ECBA59D8281@DavePC>

Tod:

Interesting story about big red buttons!

Here is what Joe Parlanti wrote to me about his BRB:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave:

The red button is actually a start button. I wanted to fill the extra hole
so I moved one of the switches over to the blank hole and made this switch
on the lathe.

Joseph V. Parlanti
Email - Parlanti at comcast.net

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dave



From: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Dash Veneer


> "But what is that big red button (warning light?) between the fuel gauge 
> and
> the clock?"
>
> I don't know where that particular Tiger was purchased or what model year 
> it was, but when I got my Tiger in October of '66 (registered as a '67), 
> there were some new safety laws in NY.  Among other things, seat belts and 
> a four-way flasher were required.  In my case the dealer drilled a big 
> honkin' hole in my dash and mounted the four-way flasher there.  It was 
> one of those things that had a red cover over the bulb that you pulled out 
> to activate them.  The one in Joe's dash looks to be similar.

From gabbardalex at att.net  Mon Jan 17 16:33:54 2011
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:33:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Mk II parts
In-Reply-To: <20110111175541.FBXRI.810815.imail@fed1rmwml36>
References: <20110111175541.FBXRI.810815.imail@fed1rmwml36>
Message-ID: <177937.37240.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm looking a driver side headlight rim for a Mk II (or a pair), a fan shroud,
and an overflow tank. Anyone?
Alex Gabbard

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 18 07:12:50 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 06:12:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Mk II parts
In-Reply-To: <177937.37240.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <677412.93926.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry, don't have any of those.  If thats all you are missing from your MK II
consider yourself fortunate!  I know someone who was missing the the grille
and stainless side trim and it cost lots of $$$$$$ to buy.
 
 
 
                                                      Jeff 
 
 
 
--- On Mon, 1/17/11, Gabbard Gabbard <gabbardalex at att.net> wrote:


From: Gabbard Gabbard <gabbardalex at att.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for Mk II parts
To: e.coiner at cox.net, mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net, "Jeffrey Nichols"
<jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:33 PM






I'm looking a driver side headlight rim for a Mk II (or a pair), a fan shroud,
and an overflow tank. Anyone?
Alex Gabbard

 

 

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 07:54:40 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:54:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Mk II parts
In-Reply-To: <677412.93926.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <177937.37240.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<677412.93926.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=31FNVO-_jeGKpShEAnAOFm-fdywT_Q=puX2v@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

If you are looking for a chrome headlight rim I can probably help. The
painted rims may be hard to find. Take a look at MGs and / or Triumphs /
Healeys. The rim is pretty generic; no eyebrows or other "improvements." I
have a friend who monitors the Tiger's site who may have access to a
fiberglass fan shroud, and another friend who has non-stock replacement
overflow tanks. if you're interested I can put you in touch with them. Jeff
is right, the stainless trim is hard to find and not cheap.

Tom

' 67 Mark 2

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Sorry, don't have any of those.  If thats all you are missing from your MK
> II
> consider yourself fortunate!  I know someone who was missing the the grille
> and stainless side trim and it cost lots of $$$$$$ to buy.
>
>
>
>                                                      Jeff
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Gabbard Gabbard <gabbardalex at att.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Gabbard Gabbard <gabbardalex at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Looking for Mk II parts
> To: e.coiner at cox.net, mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net, "Jeffrey Nichols"
> <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:33 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm looking a driver side headlight rim for a Mk II (or a pair), a fan
> shroud,
> and an overflow tank. Anyone?
> Alex Gabbard
>
>
>
>
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From Rollright at aol.com  Tue Jan 18 12:46:28 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:46:28 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump
Message-ID: <8bcbe.22064ef5.3a674814@aol.com>

Hello,
 
What is the part/model number of the SU fuel pump on a Mk1A Tiger?
 
like AUA...  or something like that  

Thanks in advance.
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 14:52:51 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:52:51 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Mk II parts
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=31FNVO-_jeGKpShEAnAOFm-fdywT_Q=puX2v@mail.gmail.com>
References: <177937.37240.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<677412.93926.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTin=31FNVO-_jeGKpShEAnAOFm-fdywT_Q=puX2v@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikC168MaFZzrwcu-5EnDhb7zg4RJT8jq0Q8-cGg@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

Are you saying the headlight rim is generic to other lucas parts used on
brit cars? The MKII rim was actually from a SI singer gazelle/59 hillman
husky, they are not round and have a reak at the top to match the line of
the front guards, if you use a round rim yu end up with part of the front
guard sticking out at the top.

Alex, if you are trying to find the rim there were some people in the UK
making fibreglass copies a little while back, maybe a Uk lister might be
able to help. Otherwise try some of the newsletters like Tiger Tales or
rootes review with a wanted ad.




On 19 January 2011 01:54, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> If you are looking for a chrome headlight rim I can probably help. The
> painted rims may be hard to find. Take a look at MGs and / or Triumphs /
> Healeys. The rim is pretty generic; no eyebrows or other "improvements." I
> have a friend who monitors the Tiger's site who may have access to a
> fiberglass fan shroud, and another friend who has non-stock replacement
> overflow tanks. if you're interested I can put you in touch with them. Jeff
> is right, the stainless trim is hard to find and not cheap.
>
> Tom
>
> ' 67 Mark 2
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jan 18 15:24:41 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:24:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <8bcbe.22064ef5.3a674814@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C8501CD4724A4BA5B991A341E75F48D9@ronpc1>

Jim
	Shop Manual indicates; AUF.301 for the 260 and AUF.303 for the 289
and also used with the 260.


Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:46 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump


Hello,
 
What is the part/model number of the SU fuel pump on a Mk1A Tiger?
 
like AUA...  or something like that  

Thanks in advance.
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From Rollright at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 10:16:03 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:16:03 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump data
Message-ID: <ca30a.620d6912.3a687653@aol.com>

Hello all,

Ron Frazer got back to me on what the SU designation was for a fuel pump
for a M1A (and a Mk1 as well.

It it a AUF 301. So I contacted Burlen to see if it was available, as their
 website didn't have it listed. I received the following reply. Hope it
helps.

Jim Armstrong


DEAR SIR
-  Auf 301 fuel pump has now  been superseded to AZX 1308 we can supply
this pump in the old style with  contact points or in a electronic version.
AZX 1308 POINTS TYPE  #65.00
AZX1308EN ELECTRONIC  NEGATIVE EARTH   #75.00
PLUS CARRIAGE  + V.A.T WHERE  APPLICABLE.
REGARDS
Customer  Services
Customer  Services Advisor
Burlen  Fuel Systems Limited - The SU and AMAL Carburetter  Companies

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jan 19 12:07:18 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:07:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump data
In-Reply-To: <ca30a.620d6912.3a687653@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7F2B67FCADE340D197A87E3401CBEF36@ronpc1>

Jim
	Excellent information; just remember that unless they have changed
the flow rate of these pumps they will only support around 200 HP.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:16 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump data


Hello all,

Ron Frazer got back to me on what the SU designation was for a fuel pump for
a M1A (and a Mk1 as well.

It it a AUF 301. So I contacted Burlen to see if it was available, as their
website didn't have it listed. I received the following reply. Hope it
helps.

Jim Armstrong


DEAR SIR
-  Auf 301 fuel pump has now  been superseded to AZX 1308 we can supply this
pump in the old style with  contact points or in a electronic version. AZX
1308 POINTS TYPE  #65.00
AZX1308EN ELECTRONIC  NEGATIVE EARTH   #75.00
PLUS CARRIAGE  + V.A.T WHERE  APPLICABLE.
REGARDS
Customer  Services
Customer  Services Advisor
Burlen  Fuel Systems Limited - The SU and AMAL Carburetter  Companies
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From Rollright at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 12:26:03 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:26:03 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps and cost
Message-ID: <e1e3.1eed7d09.3a6894cb@aol.com>

Hello
 
In case you hadn't guessed the #  equals British pounds. The pound  sign 
didn't make it through the computer
system.
 
Jim Armstrong

DEAR SIR
-  Auf 301 fuel pump has now  been superseded to  AZX 1308 we can supply
this pump in the old style with  contact points  or in a electronic version.
AZX 1308 POINTS TYPE  #65.00
AZX1308EN  ELECTRONIC  NEGATIVE EARTH   #75.00
PLUS CARRIAGE  +  V.A.T WHERE  APPLICABLE.
REGARDS
Customer   Services
Customer  Services Advisor
Burlen  Fuel Systems Limited  - The SU and AMAL Carburetter  Companies

From mark.rense at ge.com  Thu Jan 20 09:08:13 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:08:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <8bcbe.22064ef5.3a674814@aol.com>
References: <8bcbe.22064ef5.3a674814@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A07665466@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

When I needed a stock fuel pump a few years ago Rick at SS steered me to
Moss Motors and part numbers 377-161 (points) or 377-255 (solid state).
These are the same pumps as used in the late BJ8 Big Healeys.

Looking at the SU site in the UK, I see that the AZX 1308EN is on sale
right now for $88.00, but it will cost you $36.00 to get it to the
States. Still a good price for a new SU pump.

I switched to higher output Holley pumps when the RW horsepower passed
the 250 mark.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:46 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump

Hello,

What is the part/model number of the SU fuel pump on a Mk1A Tiger?

like AUA...  or something like that

Thanks in advance.

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From Rollright at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 09:18:45 2011
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:18:45 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump
Message-ID: <42a10.5d079c2f.3a69ba65@aol.com>

250 horsepower?  I should be so lucky !
 
Jim Armstrong
 
 
In a message dated 1/20/2011 11:08:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mark.rense at ge.com writes:

When I  needed a stock fuel pump a few years ago Rick at SS steered me to
Moss  Motors and part numbers 377-161 (points) or 377-255 (solid state).
These  are the same pumps as used in the late BJ8 Big Healeys.  

Looking  at the SU site in the UK, I see that the AZX 1308EN is on sale
right now  for $88.00, but it will cost you $36.00 to get it to the
States. Still a  good price for a new SU pump.

I switched to higher output Holley pumps  when the RW horsepower passed
the 250  mark.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On  Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:46 PM
To:  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump

Hello,

What  is the part/model number of the SU fuel pump on a Mk1A Tiger?

like  AUA...  or something like that  

Thanks in  advance.

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  382002083
LRXFE

From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Thu Jan 20 13:41:06 2011
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:41:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump
Message-ID: <8A4D420EDAB74EDA80A6BC61C52A5768@unhackable>

Had you considered the unit Rick @ SS can supply?
Just wondering why the searching...
I bought one from him 6 mo. ago and looked like an exact match.
Now got me wondering...with your researching it such.

Gary.

From bobdixon at frii.com  Fri Jan 21 10:03:15 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:03:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] drum brake cyl clips
Message-ID: <d9014fbbe47a6439537c911b50e088e8@localhost>

Hi gang,

I'm rebuilding my rear brakes and noticed the clips that hold the 
brake cylinder in place are missing.  Is there a replacement part for 
these?

Thanks,
Bob

From allanballard at att.net  Fri Jan 21 12:48:13 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:48:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <C8501CD4724A4BA5B991A341E75F48D9@ronpc1>
References: <C8501CD4724A4BA5B991A341E75F48D9@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>

My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .

Will this cause a problem with overheating?

Allan Ballard
Mk1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine

From tcprager at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 21 12:54:05 2011
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:54:05 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <C8501CD4724A4BA5B991A341E75F48D9@ronpc1>
	<573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>
References: <C8501CD4724A4BA5B991A341E75F48D9@ronpc1>
	<573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>
Message-ID: <SNT111-DS23157CBDFB3A6B82F04DBDCBF80@phx.gbl>

I have the same motor, also bored 30 over (300 hp). It runs hot if I am at a
prolonged stoplight so I just added a pusher fan to hopefully solve the
problem. The car runs about 190 on the road in the summer (austin, tx) and I
have an Edelbrock water pump, aluminum radiator, six bladed fan, chin spoiler,
and horn block off plates.

tom prager


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Allan Ballard<mailto:allanballard at att.net>
  To: rfraser at bluefrog.com<mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>
  Cc: Rollright at aol.com<mailto:Rollright at aol.com> ;
tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 1:48 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?


  My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .

  Will this cause a problem with overheating?

  Allan Ballard
  Mk1-a Tiger
  SIV Alpine
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Jan 21 13:05:34 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:05:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>
Message-ID: <20110121150534.FBST5.749625.imail@eastrmwml40>

Allan:

My experience with my Tiger tells me that, if the cooling system is not in tip-top condition, there is a likelihood that it will run somewhat warmer than it should if the motor has been bored out that much.  My car also has a .030-over 289 in it as well.  There is, of course, much more that can have an effect on operating temperature, such as the presence of performance-enhancing bits, but just remember that the cooling system was designed for a standard-bore engine, and even then it was considered to be on the marginal side.  

When I go through the mechanicals of my car, I plan to stay as close to stock specs as possible; but, then again, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh, I like it!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740


---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote: 
> My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .
> 
> Will this cause a problem with overheating?
> 
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1-a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
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From allanballard at att.net  Fri Jan 21 13:13:08 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <20110121150534.FBST5.749625.imail@eastrmwml40>
References: <20110121150534.FBST5.749625.imail@eastrmwml40>
Message-ID: <466A3012-17C2-4299-AB4C-004D1D256E49@att.net>

Thanks guys,

Not the news I had hoped for...

I do have a re-cored stock radiator, and will switch to aluminum heads with
aluminum intake, with a LAT scooped fiberglass hood.

In your opinion...would that set of parts offset the overbore heat?

Here in Atlanta it gets quite warm in the summer...

Allan
MK1a Tiger
SIV Alpine





On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:05 PM, <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:

> Allan:
>
> My experience with my Tiger tells me that, if the cooling system is not in
tip-top condition, there is a likelihood that it will run somewhat warmer than
it should if the motor has been bored out that much.  My car also has a
.030-over 289 in it as well.  There is, of course, much more that can have an
effect on operating temperature, such as the presence of performance-enhancing
bits, but just remember that the cooling system was designed for a
standard-bore engine, and even then it was considered to be on the marginal
side.
>
> When I go through the mechanicals of my car, I plan to stay as close to
stock specs as possible; but, then again, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh, I
like it!!
>
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
>
>
> ---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
>> My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .
>>
>> Will this cause a problem with overheating?
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1-a Tiger
>> SIV Alpine
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tigers at autox.team.net
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From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Jan 21 13:15:02 2011
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:15:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>
References: <C8501CD4724A4BA5B991A341E75F48D9@ronpc1>
	<573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>
Message-ID: <8B4E9A46D4104C4FB72FE9504FD347BA@DavePC>

My 289 is bored out .060" and yes, it overheated. After all the recognized 
Tiger overheating fixes had been applied, a big alloy rad cured it for good. 
If you didn't put in high compression pistons, and stayed with a stock cam 
and valve train, you might get away without the rad.

Dave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:48 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?


> My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .
>
> Will this cause a problem with overheating?
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1-a Tiger
> SIV Alpine

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 21 13:24:11 2011
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:24:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <20110121150534.FBST5.749625.imail@eastrmwml40>
References: <573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>
	<20110121150534.FBST5.749625.imail@eastrmwml40>
Message-ID: <551B934C6FBA40409E855249B756EE89@owner9967ddf8c>

---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote: 
> My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .
> 
> Will this cause a problem with overheating?

Allen, When I got my car ten years ago, the 289  .30 over engine overheated
with the stock cooling system. Since then, I have added many performance
items like stroking to 302, 11-1 pistons, E4-b, and bigger cam.

At the same time, I re-cored the radiator with a three pass core installed
in the original band, added Tim Ronacks air dam, and use an a-symmetric five
blade fan with a 165 degree thermostat.  I live in Florida and find my
operating temps at 170 degrees which means probably either the gauge or
T-stat is off some. Hope this is helpful. Robin Young MK-1

From allanballard at att.net  Fri Jan 21 13:29:48 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:29:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <2e461.249869d3.3a6b4626@aol.com>
References: <2e461.249869d3.3a6b4626@aol.com>
Message-ID: <410887F2-4004-4ABE-BE84-2370B4F4E98B@att.net>

I do have the stock radiator shroud installed;
The fan is an aluminum 6 or 7 blade fan installed by the PO;
The motor is being torn down and will be flushed before reassembly.
I added the horn block-off plates as well.

The LAT repro hood will be fitted but currently is not instslled.

The new motor will be aluminum heads/intake.

The exhaust will be CAT ceramic coated.

I think that's everything.

Allan



On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Do you have:
>
> 1) the stock radiator shroud installed
> 2) do you have a stock fan or what?
> 3) have you flushed out the whole system throughly
> 4) have you blocked the horn holes in the front
> 5) have you heard of the "lower fan shroud" made by that fellow in Canada
> 6) have you considered a front electric 'blower fan' in front of the
radiator?
>
> let me knows. I was dogged by heat too
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> In a message dated 1/21/2011 3:13:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
allanballard at att.net writes:
> Thanks guys,
>
> Not the news I had hoped for...
>
> I do have a re-cored stock radiator, and will switch to aluminum heads with
aluminum intake, with a LAT scooped fiberglass hood.
>
> In your opinion...would that set of parts offset the overbore heat?
>
> Here in Atlanta it gets quite warm in the summer...
>
> Allan
> MK1a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:05 PM, <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Allan:
> >
> > My experience with my Tiger tells me that, if the cooling system is not in
tip-top condition, there is a likelihood that it will run somewhat warmer than
it should if the motor has been bored out that much.  My car also has a
.030-over 289 in it as well.  There is, of course, much more that can have an
effect on operating temperature, such as the presence of performance-enhancing
bits, but just remember that the cooling system was designed for a
standard-bore engine, and even then it was considered to be on the marginal
side.
> >
> > When I go through the mechanicals of my car, I plan to stay as close to
stock specs as possible; but, then again, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh, I
like it!!
> >
> > Andy Walker
> > Edmond, OK
> > B382001600LRXFE
> > TAC #740
> >
> >
> > ---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
> >> My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .
> >>
> >> Will this cause a problem with overheating?
> >>
> >> Allan Ballard
> >> Mk1-a Tiger
> >> SIV Alpine
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Tigers at autox.team.net
> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Fri Jan 21 14:00:13 2011
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] drum brake cyl clips
In-Reply-To: <d9014fbbe47a6439537c911b50e088e8@localhost>
References: <d9014fbbe47a6439537c911b50e088e8@localhost>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544582DAFCF@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

A few months ago, someone on the list indicated the clips for a Austin Healey
3000 are similar or the same as those used on Sunbeams.  Check Moss Motors
(www.mossmotors.com) and look in the pads, shoes, drums, and rotors section
for rear brakes and the clips are listed.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Dixon
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:03 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] drum brake cyl clips

Hi gang,

I'm rebuilding my rear brakes and noticed the clips that hold the
brake cylinder in place are missing.  Is there a replacement part for
these?

Thanks,
Bob

From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 14:25:38 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:25:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] drum brake cyl clips
Message-ID: <c2a48.51951314.3a6b53d2@aol.com>

I think someone else wrote in saying they found something from an American  
car that works well.
Mark
 
In a message dated 1/21/2011 4:15:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jteepen at usatoday.com writes:

A few  months ago, someone on the list indicated the clips for a Austin  
Healey
3000 are similar or the same as those used on Sunbeams.  Check  Moss Motors
(www.mossmotors.com) and look in the pads, shoes, drums, and  rotors section
for rear brakes and the clips are  listed.

From mark.rense at ge.com  Fri Jan 21 14:35:49 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:35:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>
References: <C8501CD4724A4BA5B991A341E75F48D9@ronpc1>
	<573DB614-D73E-4AF1-8D60-E06CE6637665@att.net>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A076CC3B5@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Allan,
My 5-bolt 289 is .30" over as well, you should be fine with your
cylinder wall/water jacket thickness. Mine runs a 195 thermostat and I
have a modern 3-row radiator core, the stock shroud and a Maverick six
blade fan. The engine is 9.8:1 compression, Edelbrock AL heads, F4B AL
manifold and 500 CFM 4BBL., a CompCams XE268 grind and stock exhaust
manifolds. We've driven it all through the South in the dead of summer
and it has always run cool. Can't say the same for the occupants though!

The original Rootes setup was marginal for the 260, adding a modern
horsepower to an engine means much more heat is generated. Lots of great
articles on heat management on tigersunited.com, do your research.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 2:48 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?

My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .

Will this cause a problem with overheating?

Allan Ballard
Mk1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Jan 21 14:49:36 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:49:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] drum brake cyl clips
References: <c2a48.51951314.3a6b53d2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D5FC1D74C4094AB5B9F4CA9CE0539BD2@student2>

>>>I think someone else wrote in saying they found something from an 
>>>American car that works well.<<<

I had a recollection that the 1970's Mercury Capri used the same rear brake 
set up. But that is a foreign car - sold through an American dealer. And, 
the lack of seeing them in the wrecking yards means their availability is 
likely as limited (or more so) as the Tiger.

Tom

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 21 16:20:39 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:20:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <551B934C6FBA40409E855249B756EE89@owner9967ddf8c>
Message-ID: <631183.93542.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Robyn, Allen, etc
 
The purpose of a thermostat is to set the low operating temperature, not the
high. Once an engine reaches the minimum operating temperature and the
thermostat is open, it is no longer a factor in determining how hot an engine
runs. If a cooling system is functioning very efficiently, the engine
will only slightly exceed the minimum operting temperature. That is why your
engine runs 170 with a 165 thermostat. However, running an engine at such a
low operating temperature will inhibit the deposits in the oil deposits from
properly circulating and being clean out by the oil filter. That's one
reason why sludge builds up in cool engines.
 
Cooler engines also wear out quicker when the pistons expand more than the
block expands. There is a wear chart in the Ford rebuild book that show this
increased wear.
 
The ideal temperature for an engine is actually around 195-205, but everyone
with a Tiger freaks out when it gets that hot.
 

--- On Fri, 1/21/11, RObin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com> wrote:


From: RObin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
To: "'Allan Ballard'" <allanballard at att.net>
Cc: Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 12:24 PM


---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
> My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .
>
> Will this cause a problem with overheating?

Allen, When I got my car ten years ago, the 289  .30 over engine overheated
with the stock cooling system. Since then, I have added many performance
items like stroking to 302, 11-1 pistons, E4-b, and bigger cam.

At the same time, I re-cored the radiator with a three pass core installed
in the original band, added Tim Ronacks air dam, and use an a-symmetric five
blade fan with a 165 degree thermostat.  I live in Florida and find my
operating temps at 170 degrees which means probably either the gauge or
T-stat is off some. Hope this is helpful. Robin Young MK-1
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 16:29:02 2011
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:29:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] drum brake cyl clips
In-Reply-To: <D5FC1D74C4094AB5B9F4CA9CE0539BD2@student2>
References: <c2a48.51951314.3a6b53d2@aol.com>
	<D5FC1D74C4094AB5B9F4CA9CE0539BD2@student2>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimzbR6wAh+noMHM=0u4tNjvf9rDqK6Otqhmtzd1@mail.gmail.com>

Sunbeam Specialties has them
  Give em a call
  Jeff

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:

>   I think someone else wrote in saying they found something from an
>>>> American car that works well.<<<
>>>>
>>>
> I had a recollection that the 1970's Mercury Capri used the same rear brake
> set up. But that is a foreign car - sold through an American dealer. And,
> the lack of seeing them in the wrecking yards means their availability is
> likely as limited (or more so) as the Tiger.
>
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 16:40:13 2011
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:40:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
In-Reply-To: <631183.93542.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <551B934C6FBA40409E855249B756EE89@owner9967ddf8c>
	<631183.93542.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7Lq_9d8Pib3nGdu1hjS_AA=czCLkf7YVrZmVB@mail.gmail.com>

Without a temp gauge I never had a problem .030 289 271 HP solid lifters
headers ,JC Whitney type stock 4 blade fan. Stock radiator.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Robyn, Allen, etc
>
> The purpose of a thermostat is to set the low operating temperature, not
> the
> high. Once an engine reaches the minimum operating temperature and the
> thermostat is open, it is no longer a factor in determining how hot an
> engine
> runs. If a cooling system is functioning very efficiently, the engine
> will only slightly exceed the minimum operting temperature. That is why
> your
> engine runs 170 with a 165 thermostat. However, running an engine at such a
> low operating temperature will inhibit the deposits in the oil deposits
> from
> properly circulating and being clean out by the oil filter. That's one
> reason why sludge builds up in cool engines.
>
> Cooler engines also wear out quicker when the pistons expand more than the
> block expands. There is a wear chart in the Ford rebuild book that show
> this
> increased wear.
>
> The ideal temperature for an engine is actually around 195-205, but
> everyone
> with a Tiger freaks out when it gets that hot.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/21/11, RObin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: RObin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overbore run hot?
> To: "'Allan Ballard'" <allanballard at att.net>
> Cc: Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 12:24 PM
>
>
> ---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
> > My 5 bolt 289 motor turns out to be bored .030 .
> >
> > Will this cause a problem with overheating?
>
> Allen, When I got my car ten years ago, the 289  .30 over engine overheated
> with the stock cooling system. Since then, I have added many performance
> items like stroking to 302, 11-1 pistons, E4-b, and bigger cam.
>
> At the same time, I re-cored the radiator with a three pass core installed
> in the original band, added Tim Ronacks air dam, and use an a-symmetric
> five
> blade fan with a 165 degree thermostat.  I live in Florida and find my
> operating temps at 170 degrees which means probably either the gauge or
> T-stat is off some. Hope this is helpful. Robin Young MK-1
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 21 17:01:04 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:01:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Cooling a hot cat
Message-ID: <2E3345CB988E491594D6594D5F8B1FB1@jeffnicholsPC>

Almost everything you want to know about Tiger cooling is contained in these
web pages.
 
 
http://teae.org/cooling-the-tiger/
 
 
 
Jeff

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 22 11:00:27 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:00:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?
Message-ID: <4C78C5E9-DA6A-4B5F-91F4-4241583161FC@yahoo.com>

On page 32 of the March 2011 Classic Motorsports there is a pic of a
creme/beige/yellowish tiger - what a cool vintage color!  Does anyone know if
that was a rare stock color or a non-original paintjob?  Stu Brennan wrote the
article/photographed the pic.  It was at the Maine Rootes gig recently.

From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat Jan 22 12:43:16 2011
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:43:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CM Article...Best Rally Cars
In-Reply-To: <4C78C5E9-DA6A-4B5F-91F4-4241583161FC@yahoo.com>
References: <4C78C5E9-DA6A-4B5F-91F4-4241583161FC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9337899432D740EFA8F7B2A96473681D@JPC>

?Not trying to hijack Peter's string, but speaking of the March 2011 issue 
of Classic Motorsports...what about the article on Best Vintage Rally Cars? 
They broke down the cars selected into price ranges. The photo on the 
contents page sort of gave it away that the Tiger would be selected. I was, 
however pretty suprised when I saw that CM had placed it in the 75K-100K 
category, right along side the E type and XK Jags and up one category from 
the 63-67 Corvettes (50-75k).

In the words of CM ..."You can currently buy an early Tiger for less than 
75K, but word has gotten out and prices for this Ford V8 powered roasdster 
are starting to rise."

I know many would not sell for any price and the value of any car is only 
what someone is willing to pay...but it is always nice to see favorable 
comments about the "value" of the Tiger.

Jim Lindner
B9470033




----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:00 PM
Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?


> On page 32 of the March 2011 Classic Motorsports there is a pic of a
> creme/beige/yellowish tiger - what a cool vintage color!  Does anyone know 
> if
> that was a rare stock color or a non-original paintjob?  Stu Brennan wrote 
> the
> article/photographed the pic.  It was at the Maine Rootes gig recently.
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 22 13:30:03 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:30:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CM Article...Best Rally Cars
In-Reply-To: <9337899432D740EFA8F7B2A96473681D@JPC>
References: <4C78C5E9-DA6A-4B5F-91F4-4241583161FC@yahoo.com>
	<9337899432D740EFA8F7B2A96473681D@JPC>
Message-ID: <C430E00D-B0F5-4E6C-8A83-58AE9A28DB8A@yahoo.com>

I guess CM is looking at fully restored prices/costs, in which case we are
talking 75k for a tiger (unless you do the work yourself).  Which would be the
relevant basis for comparing on an apples to apples basis to other cars they
talk about like a 300SL, etc, i doubt anyone buying something at that end of
the spectrum did their own wrenching to restore....


On Jan 22, 2011, at 2:43 PM, James Lindner wrote:

> ?Not trying to hijack Peter's string, but speaking of the March 2011 issue
of Classic Motorsports...what about the article on Best Vintage Rally Cars?
They broke down the cars selected into price ranges. The photo on the contents
page sort of gave it away that the Tiger would be selected. I was, however
pretty suprised when I saw that CM had placed it in the 75K-100K category,
right along side the E type and XK Jags and up one category from the 63-67
Corvettes (50-75k).
>
> In the words of CM ..."You can currently buy an early Tiger for less than
75K, but word has gotten out and prices for this Ford V8 powered roasdster are
starting to rise."
>
> I know many would not sell for any price and the value of any car is only
what someone is willing to pay...but it is always nice to see favorable
comments about the "value" of the Tiger.
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan 22 13:39:17 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:39:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Cooling a hot cat
In-Reply-To: <2E3345CB988E491594D6594D5F8B1FB1@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <2E3345CB988E491594D6594D5F8B1FB1@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <4D3B4075.10909@socal.rr.com>

Jeff,

Tiger Tom, and his list of contributors (me among the list of familiar 
names), is excellent reading.
I do have another tried and proven method, documented in Sept., 2001 
(has it really been nearly 10 years?).

It is entitled "Cool It, Buddy!" and is hot-linked at the bottom of 
every page under "Editorials & Humor".

Direct Link:

http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp

Read it, it may offer some alternatives to your plans.

There are a lot of similarities with the referenced TE/AE, revised May, 
2006. It is worth the read for the detailed installation pictures 
pictures and shroud. The 4 row fine tube radiator fits the stock tanks, 
is copper.  Don't know if Modine still makes the cores, but any radiator 
shop can install the stock tanks.

Steve

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/21/11 4:01 PM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote:
> Almost everything you want to know about Tiger cooling is contained in these
> web pages.
>
>
> http://teae.org/cooling-the-tiger/
>
>
>
> Jeff
> _______________________________________________

From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 15:01:54 2011
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] CM Article...Best Rally Cars
In-Reply-To: <C430E00D-B0F5-4E6C-8A83-58AE9A28DB8A@yahoo.com>
References: <4C78C5E9-DA6A-4B5F-91F4-4241583161FC@yahoo.com>
	<9337899432D740EFA8F7B2A96473681D@JPC>
	<C430E00D-B0F5-4E6C-8A83-58AE9A28DB8A@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxn_W0C_GWrzpO7BS-VLp-WgQLGnyf=952Moaw@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming Cobra price at $800K, mine is for sale at 1/4 of Cobra price. Yes
its a fun toy and a special memory from childhood that now lives in my
garage
but everything is also an investment.

Steve

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I guess CM is looking at fully restored prices/costs, in which case we are
> talking 75k for a tiger (unless you do the work yourself).  Which would be
> the
> relevant basis for comparing on an apples to apples basis to other cars
> they
> talk about like a 300SL, etc, i doubt anyone buying something at that end
> of
> the spectrum did their own wrenching to restore....
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 2:43 PM, James Lindner wrote:
>
> > ?Not trying to hijack Peter's string, but speaking of the March 2011
> issue
> of Classic Motorsports...what about the article on Best Vintage Rally Cars?
> They broke down the cars selected into price ranges. The photo on the
> contents
> page sort of gave it away that the Tiger would be selected. I was, however
> pretty suprised when I saw that CM had placed it in the 75K-100K category,
> right along side the E type and XK Jags and up one category from the 63-67
> Corvettes (50-75k).
> >
> > In the words of CM ..."You can currently buy an early Tiger for less than
> 75K, but word has gotten out and prices for this Ford V8 powered roasdster
> are
> starting to rise."
> >
> > I know many would not sell for any price and the value of any car is only
> what someone is willing to pay...but it is always nice to see favorable
> comments about the "value" of the Tiger.
> >
> > Jim Lindner
> > B9470033

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jan 22 15:12:18 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:12:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?
In-Reply-To: <4C78C5E9-DA6A-4B5F-91F4-4241583161FC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B953A1F1F834954906BC9ECDBB49EA7@ronpc1>

Peter
	I don't know about the Tiger in question but Rootes Motors had
several yellow and beige colors.
116	Shore beige
138	Safari beige
54	April yellow
36 	Cavalry beige
43	Regency beige
64	Summer Yellow
84	Libyan Sand
115	Spring Yellow
168	Sunflower

I have some information about these paint codes but no color chips to
reference.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Peter Laurinaitis
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:00 PM
To: Tiger List List
Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?


On page 32 of the March 2011 Classic Motorsports there is a pic of a
creme/beige/yellowish tiger - what a cool vintage color!  Does anyone know
if that was a rare stock color or a non-original paintjob?  Stu Brennan
wrote the article/photographed the pic.  It was at the Maine Rootes gig
recently. _______________________________________________
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 22 15:41:33 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:41:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CM Article...Best Rally Cars
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinxn_W0C_GWrzpO7BS-VLp-WgQLGnyf=952Moaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C78C5E9-DA6A-4B5F-91F4-4241583161FC@yahoo.com>
	<9337899432D740EFA8F7B2A96473681D@JPC>
	<C430E00D-B0F5-4E6C-8A83-58AE9A28DB8A@yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTinxn_W0C_GWrzpO7BS-VLp-WgQLGnyf=952Moaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5C7FA5B-B0CC-4D51-9133-08DA0A154222@yahoo.com>

too bad market forces overpower armchair hypothesizing....  :)


On Jan 22, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Steve Ralsten wrote:

> Assuming Cobra price at $800K, mine is for sale at 1/4 of Cobra price. Yes
> its a fun toy and a special memory from childhood that now lives in my
garage
> but everything is also an investment.
>
> Steve
>
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I guess CM is looking at fully restored prices/costs, in which case we are
> talking 75k for a tiger (unless you do the work yourself).  Which would be
the
> relevant basis for comparing on an apples to apples basis to other cars
they
> talk about like a 300SL, etc, i doubt anyone buying something at that end
of
> the spectrum did their own wrenching to restore....
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 2:43 PM, James Lindner wrote:
>
> > ?Not trying to hijack Peter's string, but speaking of the March 2011
issue
> of Classic Motorsports...what about the article on Best Vintage Rally Cars?
> They broke down the cars selected into price ranges. The photo on the
contents
> page sort of gave it away that the Tiger would be selected. I was, however
> pretty suprised when I saw that CM had placed it in the 75K-100K category,
> right along side the E type and XK Jags and up one category from the 63-67
> Corvettes (50-75k).
> >
> > In the words of CM ..."You can currently buy an early Tiger for less than
> 75K, but word has gotten out and prices for this Ford V8 powered roasdster
are
> starting to rise."
> >
> > I know many would not sell for any price and the value of any car is only
> what someone is willing to pay...but it is always nice to see favorable
> comments about the "value" of the Tiger.
> >
> > Jim Lindner
> > B9470033

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 22 15:47:17 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:47:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?
In-Reply-To: <3B953A1F1F834954906BC9ECDBB49EA7@ronpc1>
References: <3B953A1F1F834954906BC9ECDBB49EA7@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <C5354E53-5876-441B-84D8-03153B7FAE9E@yahoo.com>

thks.  seems its not an original color per stu, but god i LOVE it.  love the
vintage colors, like this pale yellow (especially with the whitewalls), also
the mark 2 i recall seeing in a light pea green color, even the light blue
(mediteranean blue) on my tiger.

seems the tigers were only available in a small subset of the full rootes
color palette, though im too lazy right now to break out TBON to check....


On Jan 22, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Ron Fraser wrote:

> Peter
> 	I don't know about the Tiger in question but Rootes Motors had
> several yellow and beige colors.
> 116	Shore beige
> 138	Safari beige
> 54	April yellow
> 36 	Cavalry beige
> 43	Regency beige
> 64	Summer Yellow
> 84	Libyan Sand
> 115	Spring Yellow
> 168	Sunflower
>
> I have some information about these paint codes but no color chips to
> reference.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Peter Laurinaitis
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:00 PM
> To: Tiger List List
> Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?
>
>
> On page 32 of the March 2011 Classic Motorsports there is a pic of a
> creme/beige/yellowish tiger - what a cool vintage color!  Does anyone know
> if that was a rare stock color or a non-original paintjob?  Stu Brennan
> wrote the article/photographed the pic.  It was at the Maine Rootes gig

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sat Jan 22 16:19:32 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:19:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?
In-Reply-To: <3B953A1F1F834954906BC9ECDBB49EA7@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <000201cbba8b$12f8d930$6601a8c0@Brennan>

I forgot to hit "Reply All" when I replied to Peter, but that's not an
orignal color on Steve Towle's Tiger.  IIRC it was an old Ford or Chevy
pickup truck color that he selected.  It's sort of a pale yellow in
person.  See this:

 http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/image/129449634/medium

Stu

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:12 PM
To: 'Peter Laurinaitis'; 'Tiger List List'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?


Peter
	I don't know about the Tiger in question but Rootes Motors had
several yellow and beige colors.
116	Shore beige
138	Safari beige
54	April yellow
36 	Cavalry beige
43	Regency beige
64	Summer Yellow
84	Libyan Sand
115	Spring Yellow
168	Sunflower

I have some information about these paint codes but no color chips to
reference.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Peter Laurinaitis
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:00 PM
To: Tiger List List
Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?


On page 32 of the March 2011 Classic Motorsports there is a pic of a
creme/beige/yellowish tiger - what a cool vintage color!  Does anyone
know if that was a rare stock color or a non-original paintjob?  Stu
Brennan wrote the article/photographed the pic.  It was at the Maine
Rootes gig recently. _______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jan 22 18:13:16 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:13:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C5354E53-5876-441B-84D8-03153B7FAE9E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6ACC4E0A035146AAB8C70250830EE5D8@ronpc1>

Peter
	Tiger had 20 colors
179 Rootes paint codes

I have 265 entries for paint for all of Rootes Group.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Laurinaitis [mailto:laurin212 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:47 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: 'Tiger List List'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?


thks.  seems its not an original color per stu, but god i LOVE it.  love the
vintage colors, like this pale yellow (especially with the whitewalls), also
the mark 2 i recall seeing in a light pea green color, even the light blue
(mediteranean blue) on my tiger.

seems the tigers were only available in a small subset of the full rootes
color palette, though im too lazy right now to break out TBON to check....


On Jan 22, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Ron Fraser wrote:

> Peter
> 	I don't know about the Tiger in question but Rootes Motors had
> several yellow and beige colors.
> 116	Shore beige
> 138	Safari beige
> 54	April yellow
> 36 	Cavalry beige
> 43	Regency beige
> 64	Summer Yellow
> 84	Libyan Sand
> 115	Spring Yellow
> 168	Sunflower
>
> I have some information about these paint codes but no color chips to
> reference.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Peter Laurinaitis
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:00 PM
> To: Tiger List List
> Subject: [Tigers] antique white/creme/yellow tiger?
>
>
> On page 32 of the March 2011 Classic Motorsports there is a pic of a
> creme/beige/yellowish tiger - what a cool vintage color!  Does anyone
> know if that was a rare stock color or a non-original paintjob?  Stu
> Brennan wrote the article/photographed the pic.  It was at the Maine
> Rootes gig
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 22 20:08:08 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Yellow Tiger in CM
Message-ID: <4D3B9B98.9070305@roadrunner.com>

Steve Towle told me once that his yellow Tiger (one of two + a V6 
Alpine) was painted the same color as his early Mercury Cougar ('68?)  
It is a nice color.  The "pea-green" Tiger, I think, was a stock color, 
at least for the Tiger II, and was known as Orchid Green.  Others have 
referred to it as "baby-sh** green".  Graham Vickery's Tiger II, thought 
to be the last one off the assembly line was painted (and remains) that 
color.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From rande at thecia.net  Sun Jan 23 04:55:09 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:55:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Steve's yellow Tiger
Message-ID: <4d3c171d.4103.0@thecia.net>

"Steve Towle told me once that his yellow Tiger (one of two + a V6 
Alpine) was painted the same color as his early Mercury Cougar ('68?)  
It is a nice color.  The "pea-green" Tiger, I think, was a stock color, 
at least for the Tiger II, and was known as Orchid Green.  Others have 
referred to it as "baby-sh** green".  Graham Vickery's Tiger II, thought 
to be the last one off the assembly line was painted (and remains) that 
color.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE"


Hi,
As I've already told Peter as well as Ron Fraser, I've been around this car
for 20 years, I knew the color wasn't stock, but still stunning, and yet didn't
have the presence of mind to ask Steve what car the color came from.

Again as I told them, I had a '56 Ford Ranch Wagon repainted in a very similar
color used on the '66 Mustang called Yellow (code 8)and supposedly a carryover
color from the 64 1/2 and '65 Mustang, then called Sunshine Yellow (code V).


Kudos to Tod for learning where the color was used before. According to a sales
folder, this color used on the 1968 Cougar was called Saxony (Yellow)(their
parenthesis), but I don't have the code.

Also, as I mentioned to others, Steve told me at the United in Maine that this
car was made a wedding gift to his daughter. In addition to the unique color,
it's a 302 with a Cruise-O-Matic, and it's a sweet ride.

RB
B382000048LRXFE

From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Sun Jan 23 05:46:07 2011
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:46:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Steve's yellow Tiger
In-Reply-To: <4d3c171d.4103.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d3c171d.4103.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <3D4D8A9C54954BF3AA838C5B0935CCC0@JEPHome>

I had a Series V Alpine in college in Orchid Green.  My mother hated the 
color.  She called it baby diarrhea green.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:55 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Steve's yellow Tiger


> "Steve Towle told me once that his yellow Tiger (one of two + a V6
> Alpine) was painted the same color as his early Mercury Cougar ('68?)
> It is a nice color.  The "pea-green" Tiger, I think, was a stock color,
> at least for the Tiger II, and was known as Orchid Green.  Others have
> referred to it as "baby-sh** green".  Graham Vickery's Tiger II, thought
> to be the last one off the assembly line was painted (and remains) that
> color.
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE"

From allanballard at att.net  Sun Jan 23 11:23:52 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
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"Sunbeam Tiger Limited Edition Extra," a book compiled by RM Clarke
(Brooklands Books, Surrey)...  reprints a July 2001 article from
Classics -- "Sunbeam Tiger restoration Project."

On page 116, the reprint states:  "Somewhere along the line, Tiger owners who
have the earlier cars with the 4.2 liter engines
develop a compulsion to fit the larger 4.7 liter unit, as used on the later
MK1 and MKII models..."

Is factory installation of a 289 in MK1 Tigers a fact or did Classics err?

I've seen speculation on occasion but this is the first time I've noticed the
claim in a publication.

Allan Ballard
Mk1-a Tiger

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sun Jan 23 11:56:25 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:56:25 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
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	<0F77E2A4-44D3-495A-8D2E-A946EF414804@att.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2B21A8B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

My Tiger (B382002705) is the second-last Mk1(A) Tiger. It came to me with a
worked-over five bolt 289. Unfortunately, many (all?) of the original engine
ID tags were long gone by the time I got it, so there's not really anything to
go on there, other than to read off the casting dates (which we know will be
'64, because that's the last date those blocks were made, right?). I do have
the proper tagged HEH-E gearbox.

As we all know the proper engine for the Mk2 is the six-bolt 289, with the
HEH-CF wider ratio transmission. So any factory 'inbetween' Tigers would have
been more likely to have that combination, than the five-bolt 289 and HEH-E.

The only remotely likely way to get a five bolt 289 into the Tiger from the
factory would have been that Ford ran out of 260 short-block assemblies while
filling the Rootes orders, and they substituted in some 289 block assemblies.
However, the likelyhood that these specific engines would then end up at the
end of the Mk1A production run is unlikely to me.

Does anyone know how often engines/transmissions were shipped to Rootes? Was
there a quarterly order?

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: January 23, 2011 11:24 AM
> To: Beamclub TIGER
> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
>
> "Sunbeam Tiger Limited Edition Extra," a book compiled by RM Clarke
> (Brooklands Books, Surrey)...  reprints a July 2001 article from
> Classics -- "Sunbeam Tiger restoration Project."
>
> On page 116, the reprint states:  "Somewhere along the line, Tiger
> owners who
> have the earlier cars with the 4.2 liter engines
> develop a compulsion to fit the larger 4.7 liter unit, as used on the
> later
> MK1 and MKII models..."
>
> Is factory installation of a 289 in MK1 Tigers a fact or did Classics
> err?
>
> I've seen speculation on occasion but this is the first time I've
> noticed the
> claim in a publication.
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1-a Tiger
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From allanballard at att.net  Sun Jan 23 12:16:51 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
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The Tiger II gearbox isn't a HEH-B with holes to match either a 5 or 6 bolt
block?

Allan

On Jan 23, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Smit, Theo wrote:

> My Tiger (B382002705) is the second-last Mk1(A) Tiger. It came to me with a
worked-over five bolt 289. Unfortunately, many (all?) of the original engine
ID tags were long gone by the time I got it, so there's not really anything to
go on there, other than to read off the casting dates (which we know will be
'64, because that's the last date those blocks were made, right?). I do have
the proper tagged HEH-E gearbox.
>
> As we all know the proper engine for the Mk2 is the six-bolt 289, with the
HEH-CF wider ratio transmission. So any factory 'inbetween' Tigers would have
been more likely to have that combination, than the five-bolt 289 and HEH-E.
>
> The only remotely likely way to get a five bolt 289 into the Tiger from the
factory would have been that Ford ran out of 260 short-block assemblies while
filling the Rootes orders, and they substituted in some 289 block assemblies.
However, the likelyhood that these specific engines would then end up at the
end of the Mk1A production run is unlikely to me.
>
> Does anyone know how often engines/transmissions were shipped to Rootes? Was
there a quarterly order?
>
> Theo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
>> Sent: January 23, 2011 11:24 AM
>> To: Beamclub TIGER
>> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
>>
>> "Sunbeam Tiger Limited Edition Extra," a book compiled by RM Clarke
>> (Brooklands Books, Surrey)...  reprints a July 2001 article from
>> Classics -- "Sunbeam Tiger restoration Project."
>>
>> On page 116, the reprint states:  "Somewhere along the line, Tiger
>> owners who
>> have the earlier cars with the 4.2 liter engines
>> develop a compulsion to fit the larger 4.7 liter unit, as used on the
>> later
>> MK1 and MKII models..."
>>
>> Is factory installation of a 289 in MK1 Tigers a fact or did Classics
>> err?
>>
>> I've seen speculation on occasion but this is the first time I've
>> noticed the
>> claim in a publication.
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1-a Tiger
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From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 12:22:28 2011
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:22:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
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	<0F77E2A4-44D3-495A-8D2E-A946EF414804@att.net>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2B21A8B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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Considering the way the last of the mk1's are loaded with square cornered
parts and lacking leaded seams any transition mid matches wouldn't surprise
me.
On Jan 23, 2011 11:14 AM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> My Tiger (B382002705) is the second-last Mk1(A) Tiger. It came to me with
a
> worked-over five bolt 289. Unfortunately, many (all?) of the original
engine
> ID tags were long gone by the time I got it, so there's not really
anything to
> go on there, other than to read off the casting dates (which we know will
be
> '64, because that's the last date those blocks were made, right?). I do
have
> the proper tagged HEH-E gearbox.
>
> As we all know the proper engine for the Mk2 is the six-bolt 289, with the
> HEH-CF wider ratio transmission. So any factory 'inbetween' Tigers would
have
> been more likely to have that combination, than the five-bolt 289 and
HEH-E.
>
> The only remotely likely way to get a five bolt 289 into the Tiger from
the
> factory would have been that Ford ran out of 260 short-block assemblies
while
> filling the Rootes orders, and they substituted in some 289 block
assemblies.
> However, the likelyhood that these specific engines would then end up at
the
> end of the Mk1A production run is unlikely to me.
>
> Does anyone know how often engines/transmissions were shipped to Rootes?
Was
> there a quarterly order?
>
> Theo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
>> Sent: January 23, 2011 11:24 AM
>> To: Beamclub TIGER
>> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
>>
>> "Sunbeam Tiger Limited Edition Extra," a book compiled by RM Clarke
>> (Brooklands Books, Surrey)... reprints a July 2001 article from
>> Classics -- "Sunbeam Tiger restoration Project."
>>
>> On page 116, the reprint states: "Somewhere along the line, Tiger
>> owners who
>> have the earlier cars with the 4.2 liter engines
>> develop a compulsion to fit the larger 4.7 liter unit, as used on the
>> later
>> MK1 and MKII models..."
>>
>> Is factory installation of a 289 in MK1 Tigers a fact or did Classics
>> err?
>>
>> I've seen speculation on occasion but this is the first time I've
>> noticed the
>> claim in a publication.
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1-a Tiger
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From allanballard at att.net  Sun Jan 23 12:23:05 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:23:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
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	<0F77E2A4-44D3-495A-8D2E-A946EF414804@att.net>
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The Tiger II gearbox isn't the HEH-B wide ratio with extra holes in order to
fit to either a 5 bolt or 6 bolt block?

Allan Ballard
MK1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Jan 23, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Smit, Theo wrote:

> My Tiger (B382002705) is the second-last Mk1(A) Tiger. It came to me with a
worked-over five bolt 289. Unfortunately, many (all?) of the original engine
ID tags were long gone by the time I got it, so there's not really anything to
go on there, other than to read off the casting dates (which we know will be
'64, because that's the last date those blocks were made, right?). I do have
the proper tagged HEH-E gearbox.
>
> As we all know the proper engine for the Mk2 is the six-bolt 289, with the
HEH-CF wider ratio transmission. So any factory 'inbetween' Tigers would have
been more likely to have that combination, than the five-bolt 289 and HEH-E.
>
> The only remotely likely way to get a five bolt 289 into the Tiger from the
factory would have been that Ford ran out of 260 short-block assemblies while
filling the Rootes orders, and they substituted in some 289 block assemblies.
However, the likelyhood that these specific engines would then end up at the
end of the Mk1A production run is unlikely to me.
>
> Does anyone know how often engines/transmissions were shipped to Rootes? Was
there a quarterly order?
>
> Theo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
>> Sent: January 23, 2011 11:24 AM
>> To: Beamclub TIGER
>> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
>>
>> "Sunbeam Tiger Limited Edition Extra," a book compiled by RM Clarke
>> (Brooklands Books, Surrey)...  reprints a July 2001 article from
>> Classics -- "Sunbeam Tiger restoration Project."
>>
>> On page 116, the reprint states:  "Somewhere along the line, Tiger
>> owners who
>> have the earlier cars with the 4.2 liter engines
>> develop a compulsion to fit the larger 4.7 liter unit, as used on the
>> later
>> MK1 and MKII models..."
>>
>> Is factory installation of a 289 in MK1 Tigers a fact or did Classics
>> err?
>>
>> I've seen speculation on occasion but this is the first time I've
>> noticed the
>> claim in a publication.
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1-a Tiger
>> _______________________________________________
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From rande at thecia.net  Sun Jan 23 12:33:17 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:33:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Alp V green
Message-ID: <4d3c827d.698d.0@thecia.net>

"I had a Series V Alpine in college in Orchid Green.  My mother hated the color.
 She called it baby diarrhea green.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA "


Jim, I'm going against the flow and saying that I like Orchid Green, and critics
be darned.

I had a college chum with a late '67 Alpine painted that color, and thought
at the time it was non stock. In the interim, I've grown to love that color
as I've seen it on more cars. I know wives and mothers have disparaged it, and
in at least one case made owners change to another color. I can only hope that
a later owner changes it back. It's part of the heritage of the later Alpine
V's and Tiger Mark II's, and if I owned one which originally came in Orchid
Green, I would restore it to that color.

RB

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From rande at thecia.net  Sun Jan 23 13:19:33 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:19:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 289's in Mark 1's
Message-ID: <4d3c8d55.6d7e.0@thecia.net>

I think it's likely that the RM Clarke book was in error.

According to Norm Millers book, the third and final 260 order would have exceeded
the total production of Mark 1A's, and hypothetically it would be more likely
for Mark II's to begin assembly with 260's than the other way around.

As far as the parts catalogue goes, Mark I and Mark II bellhousings are two
different part numbers, with no I.D. number exceptions, and the same goes for
Mark I and II blocks, two different part numbers, again, no I.D. exceptions
and no "when using this replacement part, must also use..." further notations.


RB

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sun Jan 23 13:53:16 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:53:16 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 289's in Mark 1's
In-Reply-To: <4d3c8d55.6d7e.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d3c8d55.6d7e.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2B21A96@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Agreed. As cool as it would be to have a 'one-of-a-small-number' Tiger, the
evidence as compiled by Norm and others that have done research based on
factory records goes against five-bolt 289's ever being installed at the
factory.

Besides, if it was a 'special' Tiger, I'd probably have to worry about keeping
it stock and stuff. Having it be the Tiger in my garage is special enough for
me.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande
> Sent: January 23, 2011 1:20 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] 289's in Mark 1's
>
> I think it's likely that the RM Clarke book was in error.
>
> According to Norm Millers book, the third and final 260 order would
> have exceeded
> the total production of Mark 1A's, and hypothetically it would be more
> likely
> for Mark II's to begin assembly with 260's than the other way around.
>
> As far as the parts catalogue goes, Mark I and Mark II bellhousings are
> two
> different part numbers, with no I.D. number exceptions, and the same
> goes for
> Mark I and II blocks, two different part numbers, again, no I.D.
> exceptions
> and no "when using this replacement part, must also use..." further
> notations.
>
>
> RB
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan 23 14:03:07 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:03:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2B21A8B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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	This is a case of; what did he really mean by that?  Too much has
been written about the Tiger which is conjecture rather than factual.  I
have done the same; written what I thought correct when I should have been
writing about documented facts.    Norm Miller has corrected me several
times and I appreciate him doing so.   Norm has collected more knowledge
about this then I have or probably anyone else.

	Did Rootes install 289 engines into MK I bodies -YES.   There are
documented prototype and development Mk I bodies with 289 engines.   Rootes
was conducting 289 development studies and the Works Team, I'm sure, raced
the guts out of several 289 engines.   The exact time frame when Rootes
first obtained a 289 engine, I don't know.  I would think Rootes would have
wanted to explore the 289 as soon as Ford could deliver some with the same
emissions configuration as the 260 engine.   AF4 appears to have a 289
installed Jan 1965 time frame.

Rootes also built several pre-production Mk II Tigers from Mk I bodies with
289 engines.

So the statement is true that Rootes installed 289 engines into Mk I bodies;
however there is no evidence that a 289 engine wondered into the Mk I
production line until the Mk II production.

The 6-bolt 289 started production in Aug 1964 for the 1965 Ford model year.
All 289's before that are 5-bolt.

You would need shipping documents to know how many assemblies where shipped
at one time.   My guess is it ranged from 200 to 1000 but I'm guessing.
You could try to get a rough estimate from Tiger monthly production figures.

My Original Tiger Engine Study could bare some light on this subject but I
have too little information.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Smit, Theo
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:56 PM
To: Allan Ballard; Beamclub TIGER
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?


My Tiger (B382002705) is the second-last Mk1(A) Tiger. It came to me with a
worked-over five bolt 289. Unfortunately, many (all?) of the original engine
ID tags were long gone by the time I got it, so there's not really anything
to go on there, other than to read off the casting dates (which we know will
be '64, because that's the last date those blocks were made, right?). I do
have the proper tagged HEH-E gearbox.

As we all know the proper engine for the Mk2 is the six-bolt 289, with the
HEH-CF wider ratio transmission. So any factory 'inbetween' Tigers would
have been more likely to have that combination, than the five-bolt 289 and
HEH-E.

The only remotely likely way to get a five bolt 289 into the Tiger from the
factory would have been that Ford ran out of 260 short-block assemblies
while filling the Rootes orders, and they substituted in some 289 block
assemblies. However, the likelyhood that these specific engines would then
end up at the end of the Mk1A production run is unlikely to me.

Does anyone know how often engines/transmissions were shipped to Rootes? Was
there a quarterly order?

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: January 23, 2011 11:24 AM
> To: Beamclub TIGER
> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
>
> "Sunbeam Tiger Limited Edition Extra," a book compiled by RM Clarke
> (Brooklands Books, Surrey)...  reprints a July 2001 article from
> Classics -- "Sunbeam Tiger restoration Project."
>
> On page 116, the reprint states:  "Somewhere along the line, Tiger
> owners who have the earlier cars with the 4.2 liter engines
> develop a compulsion to fit the larger 4.7 liter unit, as used on the
> later
> MK1 and MKII models..."
>
> Is factory installation of a 289 in MK1 Tigers a fact or did Classics
> err?
>
> I've seen speculation on occasion but this is the first time I've
> noticed the claim in a publication.
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1-a Tiger
> _______________________________________________

From glowboy at starstream.net  Sun Jan 23 16:13:03 2011
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:13:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger - define tune up
Message-ID: <201101231513.AA3725001028@mail.starstream.net>

'05 F-150 4.6 L V8 60k miles

Anything beyond plugs & wires these days?

Beside filters & oil?

Derrick 




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From mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 23 16:10:45 2011
From: mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net (Mike Baskette)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:10:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1295809202.9971.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <289909.83408.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm am no expert on the block issue, come to think of it, I'm no expert.  If
you check MustangTek you will see that the 289 block was started in 1963
(C3OE-6015-B),  4.0 bore.  I have one stashed in the garage..  The machinist
believes it has never been bored.  These of course are three freeze plug
blocks

There is a gray area when it comes to date specific castings.  I know some
savy Ford guys and they only hazard a guess concerning the blocks.  Also Ford
didn't start casting the numbers 289 in the valley of the engine
until??????????? '65,'66?

Were there some 289's thrown into the mix when shipped to the U.K.......who
knows.  All the parts bolt up to one another.......right?

Mike

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Jan 23 16:43:40 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:43:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger - define tune up
Message-ID: <28ac5.471e14f0.3a6e172c@aol.com>

I would add: clean and  grease wheel bearings, change air filter,  replace 
coolant and thermostat and change brake fluid and be sure there is no  
timing belt that is supposed to be changed at 60.  If the timing belt has  to be 
changed I would consider changing the water pump. If  it's a  4x4  you might 
want to check the manual for additional items.
Most new cars I've seen don't recommend plugs and wires until 100K.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 1/23/2011 6:29:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
glowboy at starstream.net writes:

'05  F-150 4.6 L V8 60k miles

Anything beyond plugs & wires these  days?

Beside filters & oil?

Derrick  




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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 16:54:37 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:54:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31
In-Reply-To: <289909.83408.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.17.1295809202.9971.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<289909.83408.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Mine's a '67 Mark 2 with the 6 bolt block and "289" in the valley. The
casting code (block, drivers side front): 6D27 L (I think it's an "L"). The
car s/n is 105, which makes it the 6th production Mark 2.

Tom

'67 Mark 2 being reborn.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Mike Baskette
<mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> I'm am no expert on the block issue, come to think of it, I'm no expert.
>  If
> you check MustangTek you will see that the 289 block was started in 1963
> (C3OE-6015-B),  4.0 bore.  I have one stashed in the garage..  The
> machinist
> believes it has never been bored.  These of course are three freeze plug
> blocks
>
> There is a gray area when it comes to date specific castings.  I know some
> savy Ford guys and they only hazard a guess concerning the blocks.  Also
> Ford
> didn't start casting the numbers 289 in the valley of the engine
> until??????????? '65,'66?
>
> Were there some 289's thrown into the mix when shipped to the U.K.......who
> knows.  All the parts bolt up to one another.......right?
>
> Mike
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 23 17:58:15 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] MK1s with 289s
Message-ID: <9D29261347294E4899D55631157C8E0C@jeffnicholsPC>

You may want to look at these web pages for some photos of  MK1 Tigers with
289 V8s factory installed.  Of course, the cars are prototypes.  AF204 is a
real mess, in my opinion.
 
 
http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/index2.htm   Click the Prototypes link.  Also,
click Tiger I and then B94700005 for photos of the 1964 New York Auto show.
 
Some interesting photos can be found in the Quick ref gallery on the same
page of Tiger prototypes.  Too bad there is no caption on some of the photos
to tell you which prototype you are viewing.  
 
 
 
Jeff 

From jaars at emailmv.com  Sun Jan 23 18:16:54 2011
From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1295809202.9971.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <FD816B9CB0604963886EEEDC772187C7@userqlmt4f4s6s>

Allan,
The window sticker of my Tiger 9470858 was publiced on the TE/AE Rootes
Review of April 1998. It has no dealer mentioned, p.o.e. Boston and
added on "Installation of competition Cobra 289 engine.  Price: $ 600.00
Transportation:  $30.00.
With the optional heater, white walls, Tonneau cover and seat belts the
total price went from $3,425.00 to $4,199.00.
Somebody who worked at the time at a dealer in Rutland VT, confirmed
once that they indeed did pick up Rootes cars in Boston. This possibly
was a car, Rootes used for a show or something, and that Rootes tried to
unload afterwards???
Robert

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun Jan 23 18:32:11 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:32:11 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?MK1s_with_289s?=
Message-ID: <20110124013149.E388418764B@autox.team.net>

Well, the race cars were just that.  The le mans tiger had shelby installed hand grenades under the hood.
I chatted with Ian Garrard years ago over dinner at Vail One about why the tigers got the 260 instead of the 289.  As I recall, he said the engines were all ordered as one order. 
I doubt seriously doubt any mk1a came with a 289 from England.  Lots have had them installed, though. 
I would bet the one in question came out of a junkyard via an old Galaxy or similar. 
R 

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----- Reply message -----
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Date: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 18:58
Subject: [Tigers] MK1s with 289s
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

You may want to look at these web pages for some photos of  MK1 Tigers with
289 V8s factory installed.  Of course, the cars are prototypes.  AF204 is a
real mess, in my opinion.
 
 
http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/index2.htm   Click the Prototypes link.  Also,
click Tiger I and then B94700005 for photos of the 1964 New York Auto show.
 
Some interesting photos can be found in the Quick ref gallery on the same
page of Tiger prototypes.  Too bad there is no caption on some of the photos
to tell you which prototype you are viewing.  
 
 
 
Jeff 
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 23 19:31:21 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:31:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
In-Reply-To: <FD816B9CB0604963886EEEDC772187C7@userqlmt4f4s6s>
Message-ID: <752285.16391.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Robert- is  the orginal engine still in the Tiger?

--- On Sun, 1/23/11, Robert Jaarsma <jaars at emailmv.com> wrote:

> From: Robert Jaarsma <jaars at emailmv.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
> To: allanballard at att.net
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 7:16 PM
> Allan,
> The window sticker of my Tiger 9470858 was publiced on the
> TE/AE Rootes
> Review of April 1998. It has no dealer mentioned, p.o.e.
> Boston and
> added on "Installation of competition Cobra 289
> engine.  Price: $ 600.00
> Transportation:  $30.00.
> With the optional heater, white walls, Tonneau cover and
> seat belts the
> total price went from $3,425.00 to $4,199.00.
> Somebody who worked at the time at a dealer in Rutland VT,
> confirmed
> once that they indeed did pick up Rootes cars in Boston.
> This possibly
> was a car, Rootes used for a show or something, and that
> Rootes tried to
> unload afterwards???
> Robert
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Sun Jan 23 21:07:24 2011
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] MK1s with 289s
In-Reply-To: <9D29261347294E4899D55631157C8E0C@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <9D29261347294E4899D55631157C8E0C@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <7AC0DF3D8E4942B1B49DA9610BD1397F@JPC>

?I know I am getting off topic here...but in that color photo of B9470005 
from the 64 NY Auto Show do I see a black steering wheel? I own Tiger 
9470033 and I just went to great lengths to get a restored wooden wheel 
based upon the general consensus that all Tigers came from the factory with 
wood steering wheels, although some do say the very early Tigers had black 
plastic wheels...Oh well I guess I now have it covered either way.

Jim Lindner
B9470033

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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:58 PM
Subject: [Tigers] MK1s with 289s


> You may want to look at these web pages for some photos of  MK1 Tigers 
> with
> 289 V8s factory installed.  Of course, the cars are prototypes.  AF204 is 
> a
> real mess, in my opinion.
>
>
> http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/index2.htm   Click the Prototypes link. 
> Also,
> click Tiger I and then B94700005 for photos of the 1964 New York Auto 
> show.
>
> Some interesting photos can be found in the Quick ref gallery on the same
> page of Tiger prototypes.  Too bad there is no caption on some of the 
> photos
> to tell you which prototype you are viewing.
>
>
>
> Jeff
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Jan 23 22:28:07 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:28:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Early Tiger, wood steering wheel
References: <9D29261347294E4899D55631157C8E0C@jeffnicholsPC>
	<7AC0DF3D8E4942B1B49DA9610BD1397F@JPC>
Message-ID: <672E24CBC7AE4FCBAB06718BF5E170B8@student2>

James,
  On page 165 of TBON it states "All Tigers had wooden steering wheels.... 
."  But, of interest is the fact that all the Tigers in TBON under the 
"Interior" section seem to have plastic steering wheels.  Perhaps it is just 
the B/W picture resolution??? Not sure what to tell you.

Tom Witt


> ?I know I am getting off topic here...but in that color photo of B9470005 
> from the 64 NY Auto Show do I see a black steering wheel? I own Tiger 
> 9470033 and I just went to great lengths to get a restored wooden wheel 
> based upon the general consensus that all Tigers came from the factory 
> with wood steering wheels, although some do say the very early Tigers had 
> black plastic wheels...Oh well I guess I now have it covered either way.
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan 23 23:08:56 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:08:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31
In-Reply-To: <289909.83408.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DFF55CB1F055485DBB087921ECD87B7A@ronpc1>

Mike
	This is where you need to recheck your information.  MustangTek is a
good site but they list C3OE-6015-B as both a 260 and 289 block which can
not be.  There are errors on that site.  A better reference is Bob Mannel's
book; Mustang and Ford Small Block V8 1962 - 1969.

C3OE-6015-B is a 260 block
260 block are not marked with 260 anywhere, they are blank.

C3AE-6015-N is the first 289 block; casting started in Dec 1962
All 289 block have 289 cast into the valley, intake manifold and the heads.
Ford had to cast those numbers into the parts so everyone knew what parts
they had in front of them.  Ford had 3 different block in production for the
1963 model year; the 221, 260 and the 289.

Most parts are a direct bolt on from 260 and 289 but there are a number of
little differences with some parts that you need to be careful of and you
have realize before installing.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mike Baskette
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:11 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31


I'm am no expert on the block issue, come to think of it, I'm no expert.  If
you check MustangTek you will see that the 289 block was started in 1963
(C3OE-6015-B),  4.0 bore.  I have one stashed in the garage..  The machinist
believes it has never been bored.  These of course are three freeze plug
blocks

There is a gray area when it comes to date specific castings.  I know some
savy Ford guys and they only hazard a guess concerning the blocks.  Also
Ford didn't start casting the numbers 289 in the valley of the engine
until??????????? '65,'66?

Were there some 289's thrown into the mix when shipped to the U.K.......who
knows.  All the parts bolt up to one another.......right?

Mike
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:55:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Tigers] License Plate Restorer
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Jan 24 10:57:16 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:57:16 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] License Plate Restorer
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 24 11:26:10 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:26:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
Message-ID: <4D3DC442.9070302@roadrunner.com>

Hello All:

I know that sometime in the past I read an article or two about Tigers 
being used as police cars in England.  Does anyone else remember the 
article and where it appeared?  Thanks.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 12:07:06 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:07:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
In-Reply-To: <4D3DC442.9070302@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <505306.68861.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I dont know what aricle they where in but I remember seeing pics of the Tiger
police cars.
Tony

--- On Mon, 1/24/11, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 12:26 PM
> Hello All:
>
> I know that sometime in the past I read an article or two
> about Tigers being used as police cars in England. 
> Does anyone else remember the article and where it
> appeared?  Thanks.
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From billlawrence at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 24 12:35:00 2011
From: billlawrence at hotmail.com (Bill Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:35:00 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] rear leaf springs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7237.1295844897.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Greetings Tiger fans,

My 1965 Sunbeam Tiger's passenger side rear master leaf has snapped.  I am
sure it is original to the vehicle, and cannot imagine why it would let go
after 40+ years of use.  It is funny because that side of the car always seems
to have traction problems during spirited take offs too. Would anyone have a
recommendation on where to find replacement leaves or a stock rear leaf
assembly available?  I see the Victoria British (I know I know) has rear leaf
assemblies available.  Anyone try their suspension parts lately?  Dale's has
been contacted.  Should one attempt to repair a single side or would it be
recommended to go for a set?

Any other direct replacements known in the after market would also be
helpful.

Thanks in advance!

Bill Lawrence
B9473246LRX

From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 12:41:13 2011
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:41:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
In-Reply-To: <505306.68861.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4D3DC442.9070302@roadrunner.com>
	<505306.68861.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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One of the list members owns one but I can't recall now who.

From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 12:52:34 2011
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear leaf springs
In-Reply-To: <SNT140-w47F50C877ABEC07812B583C1FD0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.7237.1295844897.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<SNT140-w47F50C877ABEC07812B583C1FD0@phx.gbl>
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My recommendation is to replace both sides.  If one side has had enough
use/abuse to fail, the other side is probably not far behind!
 Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp


On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Bill Lawrence <billlawrence at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Greetings Tiger fans,
>
> My 1965 Sunbeam Tiger's passenger side rear master leaf has snapped.  I am
> sure it is original to the vehicle, and cannot imagine why it would let go
> after 40+ years of use.  It is funny because that side of the car always
> seems
> to have traction problems during spirited take offs too. Would anyone have
> a
> recommendation on where to find replacement leaves or a stock rear leaf
> assembly available?  I see the Victoria British (I know I know) has rear
> leaf
> assemblies available.  Anyone try their suspension parts lately?  Dale's
> has
> been contacted.  Should one attempt to repair a single side or would it be
> recommended to go for a set?
>
> Any other direct replacements known in the after market would also be
> helpful.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Bill Lawrence
> B9473246LRX

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Jan 24 12:54:02 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
In-Reply-To: <4D3DC442.9070302@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <D0699DDD7E68440CB584DF6975790232@ronpc1>

Tod
	I believe there have been several articles written.
Tiger The Making of a Sports Car by Mike Taylor covers it some and I'm
believe I have seen some others.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars


Hello All:

I know that sometime in the past I read an article or two about Tigers 
being used as police cars in England.  Does anyone else remember the 
article and where it appeared?  Thanks.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Jan 24 13:03:46 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:03:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear leaf springs
In-Reply-To: <SNT140-w47F50C877ABEC07812B583C1FD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <842AA9693D584CC8801733CA8C43E015@ronpc1>

Bill
	If you want the original spring - go to a truck spring shop and see
if they can make 2 new master leafs for you.  If one broke the other is
probably stressed.   Later Alpines have the same main leaf but again they
are 40 + years old.

I installed a set of CAT rear springs many years ago and I'm happy with
them.  I believe they were supplied to CAT by Dale but not sure.

Ron Fraser


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On Behalf Of Bill Lawrence
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:35 PM
To: sunbeam tiger
Subject: [Tigers] rear leaf springs


Greetings Tiger fans,

My 1965 Sunbeam Tiger's passenger side rear master leaf has snapped.  I am
sure it is original to the vehicle, and cannot imagine why it would let go
after 40+ years of use.  It is funny because that side of the car always
seems to have traction problems during spirited take offs too. Would anyone
have a recommendation on where to find replacement leaves or a stock rear
leaf assembly available?  I see the Victoria British (I know I know) has
rear leaf assemblies available.  Anyone try their suspension parts lately?
Dale's has been contacted.  Should one attempt to repair a single side or
would it be recommended to go for a set?

Any other direct replacements known in the after market would also be
helpful.

Thanks in advance!

Bill Lawrence
B9473246LRX
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From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:15:13 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] rear leaf springs
In-Reply-To: <SNT140-w47F50C877ABEC07812B583C1FD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20110124201513.Y9C4E.230127.root@hrndva-web11-z01>

I highly recommend Dale A's (http://www.dalesresto.com/) rear leaf springs
($325).  They are a "modern" design with an extra half leaf that dramatically
reduces wheel hop.  You will also be able to remove traction bars and pan hard
rod if you still have them on the car.

Don't even think about VB, I went down to take a look at them and they look
like the bad original design with crappy paint.

They control my warmed over 260 just fineb&b&that may be different when the
347 goes in.

Duke
B382002037

---- Bill Lawrence <billlawrence at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings Tiger fans,
>
> My 1965 Sunbeam Tiger's passenger side rear master leaf has snapped.  I am
> sure it is original to the vehicle, and cannot imagine why it would let go
> after 40+ years of use.  It is funny because that side of the car always
seems
> to have traction problems during spirited take offs too. Would anyone have
a
> recommendation on where to find replacement leaves or a stock rear leaf
> assembly available?  I see the Victoria British (I know I know) has rear
leaf
> assemblies available.  Anyone try their suspension parts lately?  Dale's
has
> been contacted.  Should one attempt to repair a single side or would it be
> recommended to go for a set?
>
> Any other direct replacements known in the after market would also be
> helpful.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Bill Lawrence
> B9473246LRX
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From rande at thecia.net  Mon Jan 24 13:23:53 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger police cars
Message-ID: <4d3ddfd9.4b0.0@thecia.net>

The U.S. owner of one in Northern CALIF is Peter Phelps

i CAN LIST THE ARTICLE TONIGHT IN MY OFFICE

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 14:45:46 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:45:46 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
In-Reply-To: <D0699DDD7E68440CB584DF6975790232@ronpc1>
References: <4D3DC442.9070302@roadrunner.com>
	<D0699DDD7E68440CB584DF6975790232@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsa5w4g0E4Ks7BMhzKbd_ocDdQa59PGpoMM_Ze@mail.gmail.com>

There was an article in either C&S or TCC in about 2006/07 where they
compared a ex-police Tiger vs a ex-police daimler dart.. i have the article
in digitial format if you need.

On 25 January 2011 06:54, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Tod
>        I believe there have been several articles written.
> Tiger The Making of a Sports Car by Mike Taylor covers it some and I'm
> believe I have seen some others.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Tod Brown
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
>
>
>  Hello All:
>
> I know that sometime in the past I read an article or two about Tigers
> being used as police cars in England.  Does anyone else remember the
> article and where it appeared?  Thanks.
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 25 03:06:04 2011
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 05:06:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear leaf springs
In-Reply-To: <SNT140-w47F50C877ABEC07812B583C1FD0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.7237.1295844897.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<SNT140-w47F50C877ABEC07812B583C1FD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D3EA08C.8090401@verizon.net>

Strongly consider Dale's spring, as it will eliminate the traction 
masters, unless you have a really torque motor.

Larry

On 1/24/11 2:35 PM, Bill Lawrence wrote:
> Greetings Tiger fans,
>
> My 1965 Sunbeam Tiger's passenger side rear master leaf has snapped.  I am
> sure it is original to the vehicle, and cannot imagine why it would let go
> after 40+ years of use.  It is funny because that side of the car always seems
> to have traction problems during spirited take offs too. Would anyone have a
> recommendation on where to find replacement leaves or a stock rear leaf
> assembly available?  I see the Victoria British (I know I know) has rear leaf
> assemblies available.  Anyone try their suspension parts lately?  Dale's has
> been contacted.  Should one attempt to repair a single side or would it be
> recommended to go for a set?
>
> Any other direct replacements known in the after market would also be
> helpful.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Bill Lawrence
> B9473246LRX
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jan 24 15:10:05 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:10:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
Message-ID: <8953c.2ec31105.3a6f52bd@aol.com>

I'm sure it must have been nice to have the power of  Police Tiger,  but 
it's hard to imagine someone spending a 10 hour shift of getting in and out  
of one of these things.  The city of Tampa just ordered the 55 new Crown  
Vics (last year available) because they claim the new Chevys are too  small.
 
When a Tiger riding cop arrested someone did they put them in the  
passenger seat,  stick them in the trunk or call for a wagon:-)
Mark L

From tigeruk at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 24 15:51:36 2011
From: tigeruk at sbcglobal.net (Peter Phelps)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:51:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Police Tigers
Message-ID: <BD721F1ED14449A185DAE8A30E503069@Dencomputer>

 Hi Tod and Listers,

I wrote two articles about the Sunbeam Tigers used by the UK Metropolitan
Police (4 MKI's & 6 MKII's) perhaps two years ago and they were printed in
several newsletters. One of the articles is still on line on the S.T.O.C. U.K.
Tiger Club site. The other, with a little digging, could be mailed to you and
interested others.

http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk

Click on 'Cat Whiskers' and find newsletter #74. To the right is 'Built, But
Never For Sale'. The photo's below this article are of the four privately sold
HROFE MKII Tigers that along with the 6 Police MKII's made up the assemble
line run of just 10. I have researched these Tigers as I have owned one of the
Police MKII's since 1982. There is coverage of my Police Tiger on Norm's
site.

 http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/glimpes/car21.htm

Regards,

Peter Phelps
California

From mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 24 16:04:10 2011
From: mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net (Mike Baskette)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:04:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 35
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7364.1295906775.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <777971.260.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Springs start dying after ten years, period.  Do not re-arch or add new to
old, buy new.  They are cheap to replace but rarely thought of......along with
rubber bits in the suspensions.  Weather a coil or a leaf, these things are
D.O.A after forty some years.  All are plesantly surprised when I am done with
a car.  Every time, it is like the car has taken on a new life.

My favorite combo?  New bushings, springs and a gleaming four corner set of
Koni's.  Works everytime

Again, I'm no expert.........but I play one on the internet.

From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 16:19:23 2011
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:19:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Slave Cylinder
Message-ID: <404275.18336.qm@web112510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I working on upgrading one of my Tigers to a 302. I have working setup from a
donation car (sorry, this one couldn't be saved) and need a little help with
the clutch slave cylinder.
 
The donation setup uses a Girling 313310 7/8" slave cylinder fitted to a
cylinder bracket marked "1981 002 CW" on a C5DA-6394-A (drilled to accept the
narrow case HEH toploader) to a 12" clutch fork. Everything aligns and I'm not
looking to make modifications to this arrangement. 
 
Where I need help is identifying the Girling slave cylinder (its uses,
cross-over numbers and knowing if a replacement can be had) and finding out
whether any Girling 7/8" rebuild kit will work or do I need one specific to
this unit number (assuming it will take a rebuild).
 
Thanks in advance
Brian
B382000846LRXFE

From H2Otor at aol.com  Mon Jan 24 16:37:34 2011
From: H2Otor at aol.com (H2Otor at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:37:34 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 35
Message-ID: <a9e4.50e8ea3e.3a6f673e@aol.com>

I know that sometime in the past I read an article or two
> about  Tigers being used as police cars in England. 
> Does anyone else remember  the article and where it
> appeared?  Thanks.

There is a picture of the British police by a Tiger on page 48 in the  
"Tiger an exceptional motorcar".

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Jan 24 16:55:25 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:55:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Police Tigers
Message-ID: <4d3e116d.2070.0@thecia.net>

Thanks to Peter Phelps for the link to both Norms page on his Metropolitan Police
Mark II and for the Cat Whiskers #74 article,
'Built But Never For Sale' which is formatted in pdf and mentions the Police
use of both 1A's and II's.

The article that Mike referred to is from the November 1999 issue of Classic
& Sports Cars magazine with a yellow Ferrari Dino on the cover.
It's a comparison of the Daimler SP250 Metropolitan Police cruiser and it's
eventual replacement, the Sunbeam Tiger 1A. This magazine, like some other Tiger-interest
issues, is available periodically on eBay, usually on the www.ebay.co.uk site.
And, no, since you've asked, I not a shill for the site, it seems that way some
weeks.

RB

From allanballard at att.net  Mon Jan 24 17:02:05 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:02:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
In-Reply-To: <505306.68861.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <505306.68861.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53A09F03-9C33-476C-9D09-4161426546B0@att.net>

I see references in the Sunbeam literature to a factory 260 high performance
motor producing
about 245 horsepower.

But I have never seen one.

Do/did they run hot?

Allan Ballard
Mk1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 24 19:55:35 2011
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:55:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Police Tigers
Message-ID: <4D3E3BA7.6050906@roadrunner.com>

Many thanks to those who responded to my request about the police 
Tigers.  I have a copy of the Taylor book and was able to download the 
article from Cat's Whiskers by Peter Phelps.  There are also some pics 
on Norm's web site. I got into this because I was looking at the STOC 
site (rather than working on my Tiger in my wicked cold Maine garage) 
and happened onto a story about the 40th anniversary meet held by STOC 
in 2004.  In the piece was a list of all the Tigers that had attended 
(all 108!) by serial number.  Out of curiosity, I looked to see if there 
were any cars near mine.  My MkIA is serial number B382002384 and I 
found two cars listed as having attended the 40th Party, ...2380 and 
...2381 which were identified as "Police".  Interesting, I thought, and 
then remembered something else.  In 2001/02 when I had my car stripped 
and repainted, the painter told me that he noticed there were some odd 
stripes on the sides of my car under the factory paint.  I was not aware 
of their presence even though I had had the car since new, and had no 
idea why they would have been there.  Could it have been that my car was 
initially intended for some kind of police work that brought with it 
some special paint?  I know this is a long shot but the paint has always 
puzzled me.  The original color of my Tiger is 86, Forest Green, but, 
according to what I have found in the articles and pictures, all four of 
the MkIA police cars were painted Arctic White with no enhancements.  
They were also Right Hand Drive whereas mine, of course, is LHD.  
Nevertheless, the mystery abides.  Any thoughts and/or insight would be 
appreciated.

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jan 24 20:25:40 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:25:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Police Tigers
Message-ID: <6a8a.57e21e7e.3a6f9cb4@aol.com>

Tod,
The stripes are an interesting mystery. I'm eager to hear the listers ideas 
 on them.
Mark

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 03:13:58 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:13:58 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
In-Reply-To: <53A09F03-9C33-476C-9D09-4161426546B0@att.net>
References: <505306.68861.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<53A09F03-9C33-476C-9D09-4161426546B0@att.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinLv5Z=cKC8gcVvBcNak-Nn6VwNqGArc6sqTT02@mail.gmail.com>

Allan,

The factory "hi-po" was the tiger wiht the 4bbl holley and F4B, they also
used the LAT cam options.. as for running hot.. well i gather people who
ordered it went for the LAT option fan. There is a road test in Sports Car
Graphic in November 1964.. the tilte of the article was "red hot sunbeam
tiger", maybe they were not just talking about performance :-P!

On 25 January 2011 11:02, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> I see references in the Sunbeam literature to a factory 260 high
> performance
> motor producing
> about 245 horsepower.
>
> But I have never seen one.
>
> Do/did they run hot?
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1-a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 03:17:19 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:17:19 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Police Tigers
In-Reply-To: <4d3e116d.2070.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d3e116d.2070.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimTYU=steYx-cc=ugKAeFYms3B7xhYo+U5W6jTb@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone wants a look at the artcile drop me a mail.

On 25 January 2011 10:55, rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote:

> Thanks to Peter Phelps for the link to both Norms page on his Metropolitan
> Police
> Mark II and for the Cat Whiskers #74 article,
> 'Built But Never For Sale' which is formatted in pdf and mentions the
> Police
> use of both 1A's and II's.
>
> The article that Mike referred to is from the November 1999 issue of
> Classic
> & Sports Cars magazine with a yellow Ferrari Dino on the cover.
> It's a comparison of the Daimler SP250 Metropolitan Police cruiser and it's
> eventual replacement, the Sunbeam Tiger 1A. This magazine, like some other
> Tiger-interest
> issues, is available periodically on eBay, usually on the www.ebay.co.uksite.
> And, no, since you've asked, I not a shill for the site, it seems that way
> some
> weeks.
>
> RB
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 03:22:22 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:22:22 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] rear leaf springs
In-Reply-To: <20110124201513.Y9C4E.230127.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
References: <SNT140-w47F50C877ABEC07812B583C1FD0@phx.gbl>
	<20110124201513.Y9C4E.230127.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
Message-ID: <AANLkTink4V=wQZQmX3iZ0Ne93_sohhZfO3ciE9_bZWDL@mail.gmail.com>

Duke,

My car has dales rears in it, and they dont overcome wheel hop in my car
(and im not talking clutch dropping) mine is only a 340 ford racing crate
motor but it overcomes the 3.07 LSD and my 195 dunlops.. so your 347 is
going to want a set of bars or torque arm. Also the panhard rod doesnt do
anything to stop axel hop, its about side location.




On 25 January 2011 07:15, <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:

> I highly recommend Dale A's (http://www.dalesresto.com/) rear leaf springs
> ($325).  They are a "modern" design with an extra half leaf that
> dramatically
> reduces wheel hop.  You will also be able to remove traction bars and pan
> hard
> rod if you still have them on the car.
>
> Don't even think about VB, I went down to take a look at them and they look
> like the bad original design with crappy paint.
>
> They control my warmed over 260 just fineb&b&that may be different when the
> 347 goes in.
>
> Duke
>



Regards

Michael King

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Tue Jan 25 05:57:48 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:57:48 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
Message-ID: <6bc56.2121179d.3a7022cc@aol.com>

back in the day I worked in a garage that did alot of performance work on  
Fords.  We had a couple of customers with Tigers If they wanted a fast  
Tiger we did not use the260 just built them a strong 289 and put it in easier  
than fooling with the260. that is what he means

From marden at mistral.co.uk  Tue Jan 25 05:59:37 2011
From: marden at mistral.co.uk (marden at mistral.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:59:37 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Police Cars
Message-ID: <53614.1295960377@mistral.co.uk>

 I
am very proud to be the owner of Sunbeam Tiger Mk2 NYL 558E which is
one of the original 6 London Police Mk2 Tigers. I have owned and used
the car extensively for the past 14 years. I have driven approx 30,000
miles in the car and that includes 5 trips down to Le Mans and other
continental trips. 558E was treated to a full restoration in 2006/7
(changing the colour back from red to its original polar white) and
won the STOC restoration of the year award. It also made the front
cover of Cats Whiskers magazine issue 77. NYL 558E has another
unusual claim to fame as it was featured in the first ever issue of
Classic Car magazine way back in October 1973 in a road test and
comparison with the then new MGB GT V8. 558E was only 6 years old
then and already considered a classic. Sometime after leaving the
police in 1969 it had been painted red and interestingly had miss
matched number plates put on it. NYL 558E on the rear (correct) but
NYL 588E on the front (wrong).  All 6 Mk2 Police cars still exist in
the hands of: Peter Phelps (USA) restored, Derek Cooper (being
restored), Tom Carr (original and owned since 1970), Paul Grimsdick
(has a Mk1 Police car as well), Roy Johnson (?) and myself.
-------------------------
Message sent via Kcom WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Tue Jan 25 06:02:58 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:02:58 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger - define tune up
Message-ID: <6bf57.be82b6a.3a702402@aol.com>

take the plugs out while you still can and hope they don't break. they can  
be fixed without pulling the heads esp if you can find the right guy . we 
have a  guy that comes right to the shop with his stuff an does it on the  
spot

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 25 07:38:42 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:38:42 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?factory_260_hipo?=
Message-ID: <20110125143818.DBB6918766D@autox.team.net>

These were all LAT options. Factory approved, but not factory.  

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 04:13
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
To: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
Cc: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>


Allan,

The factory "hi-po" was the tiger wiht the 4bbl holley and F4B, they also
used the LAT cam options.. as for running hot.. well i gather people who
ordered it went for the LAT option fan. There is a road test in Sports Car
Graphic in November 1964.. the tilte of the article was "red hot sunbeam
tiger", maybe they were not just talking about performance :-P!

On 25 January 2011 11:02, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> I see references in the Sunbeam literature to a factory 260 high
> performance
> motor producing
> about 245 horsepower.
>
> But I have never seen one.
>
> Do/did they run hot?
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1-a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
> _______________________________________________
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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Tue Jan 25 10:36:28 2011
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:36:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
Message-ID: <2A11D0CEC8024FC7B9A4AEEDB64FA992@unhackable>

Not a single Tiger crossed the block at Barrett-Jackson or Russo&Steele.
An Archive Search on B-J shows one modified Tiger at Palm Beach last year, but
aside from that, not one in the past decade.
I attended B-J twice in the 90's and there were a couple each year.
What's happened?
Sellers deeming this not a viable method? Or B-J rejecting submissions due to
their pickiness?
It's a good, public method for pegging values, for the rest of us.

(Good news generally is the B-J principals said attendance and prices were
markedly increased this year).

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Jan 25 10:58:11 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
Message-ID: <fba4a.462a542b.3a706933@aol.com>

One was sold at  a Florida auction last year. Another came up at a FL  
auction and didn't reach reserve.  There is one due to be sold this  Saturday at 
the Mecum auction in Florida.
Mark
 
_http://www.mecum.com/auctions/consignment_list.cfm?AUCTION_ID=FL0111&consig
nDay=Saturday_source=delivra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FL0111_012511_pre
view_ 
(http://www.mecum.com/auctions/consignment_list.cfm?AUCTION_ID=FL0111&consignDay=Saturday_source=delivra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FL0111_0125
11_preview) 

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Tue Jan 25 15:15:17 2011
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:15:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
References: <6bc56.2121179d.3a7022cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <45E7243DAFF6464C88A17D216226F274@bob>

But didn't Caroll Shelby convince Rootes it would be better to use 260's in 
the LeMans coupes?

I'm sorry, sarcasm is not very becoming of me.


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Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?


> back in the day I worked in a garage that did alot of performance work on
> Fords.  We had a couple of customers with Tigers If they wanted a fast
> Tiger we did not use the260 just built them a strong 289 and put it in 
> easier
> than fooling with the260. that is what he means
> _______________________________________________

From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Tue Jan 25 16:09:18 2011
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:09:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
In-Reply-To: <20110125153318.ZLCO4.653650.imail@eastrmwml35>
References: <20110125153318.ZLCO4.653650.imail@eastrmwml35>
Message-ID: <A9F2760A561D4BFC984A69119B34D94C@unhackable>

Well, a European that is well received at B-J is the AC Cobra. Americanized
European. 7 went at Scottsdale (of various form).
Given Shelby's close association with Barrett-Jackson, a Tiger might also be
well received.
It was interesting that during an interview in one of the B-J Special Editions
televised in 2010, directly over Carroll Shelby's shoulder was a Tiger (not
sure of the setting).
If there's a 25% premium to market as you claim, all the merrier. (But don't
think that everybody gets a 25% premium. The high end, high profile ones do.
Especially the charity ones. But a seller of a '61 Bubbletop I spoke to
previously was thoroughly disappointed with the high bid his car brought).

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 16:14:12 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:14:12 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
In-Reply-To: <4d3ee068.8c8ee50a.4450.74ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <4d3ee068.8c8ee50a.4450.74ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=YxM8TFzu79eMeOzSToQ5N0DJiH=QyAAP5+0Q6@mail.gmail.com>

While they are LAT options i belive the factory offered a 245 version, and
it ran the 4bbl and edelbrock manifold with the revised cam.  think the
factory list might be on the tigersunited site as a scan of the racing
options

On 26 January 2011 01:38, spook01 at comcast.net <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:

> These were all LAT options. Factory approved, but not factory.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 04:13
> Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
> To: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
> Cc: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
>
>
> Allan,
>
> The factory "hi-po" was the tiger wiht the 4bbl holley and F4B, they also
> used the LAT cam options.. as for running hot.. well i gather people who
> ordered it went for the LAT option fan. There is a road test in Sports Car
> Graphic in November 1964.. the tilte of the article was "red hot sunbeam
> tiger", maybe they were not just talking about performance :-P!
>
> On 25 January 2011 11:02, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
>
> > I see references in the Sunbeam literature to a factory 260 high
> > performance
> > motor producing
> > about 245 horsepower.
> >
> > But I have never seen one.
> >
> > Do/did they run hot?
> >
> > Allan Ballard
> > Mk1-a Tiger
> > SIV Alpine
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>
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>
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Michael King

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 25 16:30:12 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:30:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
In-Reply-To: <fba4a.462a542b.3a706933@aol.com>
References: <fba4a.462a542b.3a706933@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D3F5D04.5030402@socal.rr.com>

Mark,

This car is schedule for sale Saturday.  The links provided do not work, 
nor is there any picture, for the Lot S45 1964 Sunbeam Tiger.  The most 
information I have been able to find is:


      DESCRIPTION

"This car is a rare US 4-spd Tiger. It was _originally_ a _260_ small 
block but now has the newer GT-40 302 small black over the counter hi-po 
V8 engine, 8 spoke period wheels, new Michelin tires, good solid body 
and chassis. Hard top only because the period dealer installed roll 
bar... only around 2500 of these little sports cars known to exist! It 
has a lot of the more famous Shelby Cobra feel. They are very similar to 
each other. Fast fun rare sports car! "

The link I found, directly for this car, is at:
*
*

*http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0507-53083
*

*
Steve
*


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/25/11 9:58 AM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
> One was sold at  a Florida auction last year. Another came up at a FL
> auction and didn't reach reserve.  There is one due to be sold this  Saturday at
> the Mecum auction in Florida.
> Mark
>
> _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/consignment_list.cfm?AUCTION_ID=FL0111&consig
> nDay=Saturday_source=delivra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FL0111_012511_pre
> view_
> (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/consignment_list.cfm?AUCTION_ID=FL0111&consignDay=Saturday_source=delivra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FL0111_0125
> 11_preview)

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 25 16:37:41 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:37:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Auction Tiger
Message-ID: <4D3F5EC5.8030004@socal.rr.com>

My previous e-mail gave the correct link for the Tiger at Mecum Auctions.

It should be noted that the auction is scheduled for May! This car has a 
GT-40 302  V8.

Lot S45 1964 Sunbeam Tiger
302, V-8

Belvidere High Performance Auction
*May 23-28, 2007
*
-- 



/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 25 17:08:54 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:08:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
In-Reply-To: <4D3F5D04.5030402@socal.rr.com>
References: <fba4a.462a542b.3a706933@aol.com> <4D3F5D04.5030402@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D3F6616.6060201@socal.rr.com>

Whoops!

I found it listed for auction, a reported below, but is was "Lot S45 
1964 Sunbeam Tiger", and the auction was in May 23-28 2007, at:

# America's Premier Muscle Car Sale
# All Collector Cars
# Boone County Fairgrounds
      8791 North Route 76
      ZIP: 61008
# Belvidere, IL auction.


Maybe it didn't sell, and would be offered again (?)

Steve


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/25/11 3:30 PM, Steve Laifman wrote:
> Mark,
>
> This car is schedule for sale Saturday.  The links provided do not work,
> nor is there any picture, for the Lot S45 1964 Sunbeam Tiger.  The most
> information I have been able to find is:
>
>
>        DESCRIPTION
>
> "This car is a rare US 4-spd Tiger. It was _originally_ a _260_ small
> block but now has the newer GT-40 302 small black over the counter hi-po
> V8 engine, 8 spoke period wheels, new Michelin tires, good solid body
> and chassis. Hard top only because the period dealer installed roll
> bar... only around 2500 of these little sports cars known to exist! It
> has a lot of the more famous Shelby Cobra feel. They are very similar to
> each other. Fast fun rare sports car! "
>
> The link I found, directly for this car, is at:
> **http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0507-53083
>   <http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0507-53083>*
> *
> Steve
> *
>
>
> /Steve Laifman/
>
> /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/*<*http://www.tigersunited.com*>

From Landcmitch at aol.com  Tue Jan 25 17:28:31 2011
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:28:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
Message-ID: <b2e07.61b11054.3a70c4af@aol.com>

Here it is
 
    
_http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0111-104372&entryRow=1262_ 
(http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0111-104372&entryRow=1262)  
 
 Charlie
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2011 4:23:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

Whoops!

I found it listed for auction, a reported below, but is  was "Lot S45 
1964 Sunbeam Tiger", and the auction was in May 23-28 2007,  at:

# America's Premier Muscle Car Sale
# All Collector Cars
#  Boone County Fairgrounds
8791 North Route 76
ZIP: 61008
# Belvidere, IL auction.


Maybe it  didn't sell, and would be offered again (?)

Steve


/Steve  Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/*  <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/25/11 3:30 PM, Steve  Laifman wrote:
> Mark,
>
> This car is schedule for sale  Saturday.  The links provided do not work,
> nor is there any  picture, for the Lot S45 1964 Sunbeam Tiger.  The most
>  information I have been able to find is:
>
>
>     DESCRIPTION
>
> "This car is a rare US 4-spd Tiger.  It was _originally_ a _260_ small
> block but now has the newer GT-40  302 small black over the counter hi-po
> V8 engine, 8 spoke period  wheels, new Michelin tires, good solid body
> and chassis. Hard top only  because the period dealer installed roll
> bar... only around 2500 of  these little sports cars known to exist! It
> has a lot of the more  famous Shelby Cobra feel. They are very similar to
> each other. Fast  fun rare sports car! "
>
> The link I found, directly for this  car, is at:
>  **http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0507-53083
>    <http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0507-53083>*
>  *
> Steve
> *
>
>
> /Steve  Laifman/
>
> /Editor -  /*/TigersUnited.com/*<*http://www.tigersunited.com*>
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 25 17:49:06 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:49:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Re:  The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
Message-ID: <4D3F6F82.8050007@socal.rr.com>

Thanks, Charlie.

I see this is NOT the 1964 Mk I Tiger with the GT-40 302 in it.  Yet 
another Tiger, 1967!  Looks pretty nice, from the photos.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
Date: 	Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:28:31 -0500 (EST)
From: 	Landcmitch at aol.com
To: 	slaifman at socal.rr.com, tigers at autox.team.net



Here it is
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0111-104372&entryRow=1262 
<http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0111-104372&entryRow=1262> 

  Charlie
In a message dated 1/25/2011 4:23:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

    Whoops!

    I found it listed for auction, a reported below, but is was "Lot S45
    1964 Sunbeam Tiger", and the auction was in May 23-28 2007, at:

    # America's Premier Muscle Car Sale
    # All Collector Cars
    # Boone County Fairgrounds
           8791 North Route 76
           ZIP: 61008
    # Belvidere, IL auction.


    Maybe it didn't sell, and would be offered again (?)

    Steve


    /Steve Laifman/

    /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Jan 25 18:00:52 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:00:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
Message-ID: <b4bdd.3451d239.3a70cc43@aol.com>

Not sure that one is for Saturday's auction. That sounds like the one that  
was auctioned at Kissimmee last year.  The description on the site for this 
 year  reads...
- 4.2 liter 260 cI engine 
- T10 4-speed transmission 
- Less than  7,000 built 
- 26,000 miles 
- Local one retail owner 
And this one has the original wheel with the round trim. Go to Mecum .com  
and look up the 2011 Kissimmee auction.
 
Mark

From jliny5 at cox.net  Tue Jan 25 18:28:00 2011
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:28:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers
In-Reply-To: <b2e07.61b11054.3a70c4af@aol.com>
References: <b2e07.61b11054.3a70c4af@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8EA386830B3F4193AECB973B3B799C28@JPC>

?If this car has a T-10, I doubt it is the original transmission. I am 
pretty sure T-10s were limited to the first 56 Tigers. Besides the long 
shifter (T-10s have the short shifter) this Tiger has square corners on the 
bonnet, trunk and doors a feature that came well after ID # 56.

Other than that it does look pretty nice in the photos.

Jim Lindner
B9470033

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Landcmitch at aol.com>
To: <slaifman at socal.rr.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The two big auctions completed - no Tigers


> Here it is
>
>
> _http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0111-104372&entryRow=1262_
> (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0111-104372&entryRow=1262)
>
> Charlie
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2011 4:23:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:
>
> Whoops!
>
> I found it listed for auction, a reported below, but is  was "Lot S45
> 1964 Sunbeam Tiger", and the auction was in May 23-28 2007,  at:
>
> # America's Premier Muscle Car Sale
> # All Collector Cars
> #  Boone County Fairgrounds
> 8791 North Route 76
> ZIP: 61008
> # Belvidere, IL auction.
>
>
> Maybe it  didn't sell, and would be offered again (?)
>
> Steve
>
>
> /Steve  Laifman/
>
> /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/*  <http://www.tigersunited.com>
>
>
>
> On 1/25/11 3:30 PM, Steve  Laifman wrote:
>> Mark,
>>
>> This car is schedule for sale  Saturday.  The links provided do not work,
>> nor is there any  picture, for the Lot S45 1964 Sunbeam Tiger.  The most
>>  information I have been able to find is:
>>
>>
>>     DESCRIPTION
>>
>> "This car is a rare US 4-spd Tiger.  It was _originally_ a _260_ small
>> block but now has the newer GT-40  302 small black over the counter hi-po
>> V8 engine, 8 spoke period  wheels, new Michelin tires, good solid body
>> and chassis. Hard top only  because the period dealer installed roll
>> bar... only around 2500 of  these little sports cars known to exist! It
>> has a lot of the more  famous Shelby Cobra feel. They are very similar to
>> each other. Fast  fun rare sports car! "
>>
>> The link I found, directly for this  car, is at:
>>  **http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0507-53083
>>    <http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0507-53083>*
>>  *
>> Steve
>> *
>>
>>
>> /Steve  Laifman/
>>
>> /Editor -  /*/TigersUnited.com/*<*http://www.tigersunited.com*>
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Tue Jan 25 18:33:31 2011
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:33:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLv5Z=cKC8gcVvBcNak-Nn6VwNqGArc6sqTT02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <505306.68861.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com><53A09F03-9C33-476C-9D09-4161426546B0@att.net>
	<AANLkTinLv5Z=cKC8gcVvBcNak-Nn6VwNqGArc6sqTT02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B85D2E7776214B0A9550E815EBBF4871@JPC>

?Allan

The 260 in my MkI is set up with the LAT Options exactly as described by 
Michael. It does run a "bit warm" in the heat of summer but I have never had 
a problem with overheating.

Jim Lindner
B9470033

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
Cc: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo


> Allan,
>
> The factory "hi-po" was the tiger wiht the 4bbl holley and F4B, they also
> used the LAT cam options.. as for running hot.. well i gather people who
> ordered it went for the LAT option fan. There is a road test in Sports Car
> Graphic in November 1964.. the tilte of the article was "red hot sunbeam
> tiger", maybe they were not just talking about performance :-P!
>
> On 25 January 2011 11:02, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
>
>> I see references in the Sunbeam literature to a factory 260 high
>> performance
>> motor producing
>> about 245 horsepower.
>>
>> But I have never seen one.
>>
>> Do/did they run hot?
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1-a Tiger
>> SIV Alpine
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From alpdavegre at msn.com  Tue Jan 25 20:10:54 2011
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:10:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] (Tiger) rear leaf springs
Message-ID: <BAY151-w36B1C6BA1E22AFAE1C8287DEFF0@phx.gbl>

I have a warmed over 260 and I have Dan Walters torque arm in it. LOVE IT!! No
wheel hop even dumping the clutch. Just  spins the tires, with a slight scoot
off to the right and away we go!!
T-5 five speed and 3.23 LSD rear. Looking forward to it back on the road in
the next few weeks.

Dave Green & "Miss Kitty" B9472549LRXFE

From allanballard at att.net  Tue Jan 25 20:33:30 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:33:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
In-Reply-To: <B85D2E7776214B0A9550E815EBBF4871@JPC>
References: <505306.68861.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com><53A09F03-9C33-476C-9D09-4161426546B0@att.net>
	<AANLkTinLv5Z=cKC8gcVvBcNak-Nn6VwNqGArc6sqTT02@mail.gmail.com>
	<B85D2E7776214B0A9550E815EBBF4871@JPC>
Message-ID: <0934D109-5177-4EC9-9ACD-337507AE3705@att.net>

Jim,

That's very interesting; do you use the stock cooling system?

Allan

On Jan 25, 2011, at 8:33 PM, James Lindner wrote:

> ?Allan
>
> The 260 in my MkI is set up with the LAT Options exactly as described by
Michael. It does run a "bit warm" in the heat of summer but I have never had a
problem with overheating.
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king"
<michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> To: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
> Cc: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
>
>
>> Allan,
>>
>> The factory "hi-po" was the tiger wiht the 4bbl holley and F4B, they also
>> used the LAT cam options.. as for running hot.. well i gather people who
>> ordered it went for the LAT option fan. There is a road test in Sports Car
>> Graphic in November 1964.. the tilte of the article was "red hot sunbeam
>> tiger", maybe they were not just talking about performance :-P!
>>
>> On 25 January 2011 11:02, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I see references in the Sunbeam literature to a factory 260 high
>>> performance
>>> motor producing
>>> about 245 horsepower.
>>>
>>> But I have never seen one.
>>>
>>> Do/did they run hot?
>>>
>>> Allan Ballard
>>> Mk1-a Tiger
>>> SIV Alpine
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From cbowland at msn.com  Tue Jan 25 21:35:22 2011
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:35:22 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction
Message-ID: <SNT125-DS5A044E5FE6F990DD4B7A5DBFF0@phx.gbl>

I think the black 1967 Tiger that will go across the block looks pretty nice.
This will be at the Mecum auction held at Kissimmee FL this coming Saturday.
Pictures are at Mecum Infonet
<info at mecumauction.com<mailto:info at mecumauction.com>> and the car is Lot # S
145.1

Did anyone happen to notice the rather bright blue Tiger in the background of
the brochure/web listing? Just curious about that one too. It will be
interesting to see what the sale price might be.

Curt Bowland

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 25 21:35:50 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:35:50 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?factory_260_hipo?=
Message-ID: <20110126043527.7AEDD187643@autox.team.net>

This might be interesting to research.
LAT options were shipped to the UK; new 260's ordered from Ford were dismantled at the factory, an aftermarket cam was installed along with an aftermarket manifold and carb, then the car was shipped back to the US and warranted?
Interesting concept.
Norm, what do you think??
R

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 17:14
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
To: "spook01 at comcast.net" <spook01 at comcast.net>
Cc: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>, "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>


While they are LAT options i belive the factory offered a 245 version, and
it ran the 4bbl and edelbrock manifold with the revised cam.  think the
factory list might be on the tigersunited site as a scan of the racing
options

On 26 January 2011 01:38, spook01 at comcast.net <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:

> These were all LAT options. Factory approved, but not factory.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 04:13
> Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
> To: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
> Cc: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
>
>
> Allan,
>
> The factory "hi-po" was the tiger wiht the 4bbl holley and F4B, they also
> used the LAT cam options.. as for running hot.. well i gather people who
> ordered it went for the LAT option fan. There is a road test in Sports Car
> Graphic in November 1964.. the tilte of the article was "red hot sunbeam
> tiger", maybe they were not just talking about performance :-P!
>
> On 25 January 2011 11:02, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
>
> > I see references in the Sunbeam literature to a factory 260 high
> > performance
> > motor producing
> > about 245 horsepower.
> >
> > But I have never seen one.
> >
> > Do/did they run hot?
> >
> > Allan Ballard
> > Mk1-a Tiger
> > SIV Alpine
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
> Michael King
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 25 21:39:40 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:39:40 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Factory_289_in_Mk1=2E=2E=2E=3F?=
Message-ID: <20110126043917.0C36B187643@autox.team.net>

No doubt he was reluctant to allow the SHELBY mustang name to be diluted.  
Sunbeam had already paid him for his prototype and weren't coughing up anymore!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Bob Hokanson" <tgrrr at peoplepc.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 16:15
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
To: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>

But didn't Caroll Shelby convince Rootes it would be better to use 260's in the LeMans coupes?

I'm sorry, sarcasm is not very becoming of me.


----- Original Message ----- From: <PhastPhill at aol.com>
To: <allanballard at att.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?


> back in the day I worked in a garage that did alot of performance work on
> Fords.  We had a couple of customers with Tigers If they wanted a fast
> Tiger we did not use the260 just built them a strong 289 and put it in > easier
> than fooling with the260. that is what he means
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 25 22:55:58 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:55:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
In-Reply-To: <20110126043527.7AEDD187643@autox.team.net>
References: <20110126043527.7AEDD187643@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4D3FB76E.1060008@socal.rr.com>

Yup,

All the LAT options are shown on TigersUnited.com, including pictures 
and the original price list, and is accessible from every page on the 
bottom menu:

"LAT and Dealer Options"

LAT 51 - 54 crown wheel for the LAT 50 LSD was solely required because 
the LAT 50 was the U.S. built DANA 44, as were the ring gears/./ and the 
stock differential from England, had different threads on the ring gear. 
all from the US. (Dana owned both companies).

Direct Link:

http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/lat.asp

This contains the original 1966 letter by Ian Garrard, President of 
International Automobiles.

But, I believe *all* the parts were being developed for Ian 
Garrard,President of International Automobiles, Inc. - the West Coast 
distributor, and under the direction of R.G. Wheatley of the Tiger 
Division, and sourced in the USA, and  Vic Edelbrock offered the Hi Po 
intake manifold.  Later options were developed by Doane Spencer of 
Hollywood Motors.  That LAT-1 "Super Induction Kit, from Vic Edelbrock, 
retailed for $140, and the Dealer Net was $88.50, according to the 
included price list.

Later on, When Chrysler took over Sunbeam, the valve covers, LAT 2/LAT 
8, no longer said "Powered by Ford", as an example of the product 
"improvements" Chrysler made.

Have fun, there is a LOT of information to be gleaned from this web site.

Steve

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/25/11 8:35 PM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> This might be interesting to research.
> LAT options were shipped to the UK; new 260's ordered from Ford were dismantled at the factory, an aftermarket cam was installed along with an aftermarket manifold and carb, then the car was shipped back to the US and warranted?
> Interesting concept.
> Norm, what do you think??
> R
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "michael king"<michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 17:14
> Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
> To: "spook01 at comcast.net"<spook01 at comcast.net>
> Cc: "Allan Ballard"<allanballard at att.net>, "Beamclub TIGER"<tigers at autox.team.net>
>
>
> While they are LAT options i belive the factory offered a 245 version, and
> it ran the 4bbl and edelbrock manifold with the revised cam.  think the
> factory list might be on the tigersunited site as a scan of the racing
> options

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 25 23:10:22 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:10:22 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
In-Reply-To: <20110126043917.0C36B187643@autox.team.net>
References: <20110126043917.0C36B187643@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4D3FBACE.7040703@socal.rr.com>

I got lost in that "go-around".  I believe that Bob Hokanson was biting 
his tongue in his cheek when he wrote that reply, I believe, as a joke.

Shelby had NOTHING to do with which Ford engine he got for his early 
Cobra's and the Sunbeam Tiger's.  At that time, Ford was still 
developing the 289 for the Mustang, and wouldn't/couldn't release a 
developmental engine that would cripple it's availability for the Mustang.

The negotiations for the Tiger were between Lord Rootes, and Ford, in 
any event.

They ALL got 289's, when they became available from production.

Steve

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/25/11 8:39 PM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> No doubt he was reluctant to allow the SHELBY mustang name to be diluted.
> Sunbeam had already paid him for his prototype and weren't coughing up anymore!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Bob Hokanson"<tgrrr at peoplepc.com>
> Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 16:15
> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
> To: "Tigers"<tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> But didn't Caroll Shelby convince Rootes it would be better to use 260's in the LeMans coupes?
>
> I'm sorry, sarcasm is not very becoming of me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From:<PhastPhill at aol.com>
> To:<allanballard at att.net>;<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
>
>
>> back in the day I worked in a garage that did alot of performance work on
>> Fords.  We had a couple of customers with Tigers If they wanted a fast
>> Tiger we did not use the 260 just built them a strong 289 and put it in>  easier
>> than fooling with the 260. that is what he means . . . .
>> _______________________________________________

From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 26 05:07:52 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:07:52 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Factory_289_in_Mk1=2E=2E=2E=3F?=
Message-ID: <20110126120733.0A0C6187643@autox.team.net>

Yeah, I know.  But every few years this chestnut comes up.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Steve Laifman" <slaifman at socal.rr.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 00:10
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
To: "spook01 at comcast.net" <spook01 at comcast.net>, "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>, "Rob Guerra" <bomber44 at comcast.net>, "BOB HOKANSON" <spook01 at comcast.com>

I got lost in that "go-around".  I believe that Bob Hokanson was biting his tongue in his cheek when he wrote that reply, I believe, as a joke.

Shelby had NOTHING to do with which Ford engine he got for his early Cobra's and the Sunbeam Tiger's.  At that time, Ford was still developing the 289 for the Mustang, and wouldn't/couldn't release a developmental engine that would cripple it's availability for the Mustang.

The negotiations for the Tiger were between Lord Rootes, and Ford, in any event.

They ALL got 289's, when they became available from production.

Steve

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/25/11 8:39 PM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> No doubt he was reluctant to allow the SHELBY mustang name to be diluted.
> Sunbeam had already paid him for his prototype and weren't coughing up anymore!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Bob Hokanson"<tgrrr at peoplepc.com>
> Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 16:15
> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
> To: "Tigers"<tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> But didn't Caroll Shelby convince Rootes it would be better to use 260's in the LeMans coupes?
>
> I'm sorry, sarcasm is not very becoming of me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From:<PhastPhill at aol.com>
> To:<allanballard at att.net>;<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
>
>
>> back in the day I worked in a garage that did alot of performance work on
>> Fords.  We had a couple of customers with Tigers If they wanted a fast
>> Tiger we did not use the 260 just built them a strong 289 and put it in>  easier
>> than fooling with the 260. that is what he means . . . .
>> _______________________________________________

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 06:44:44 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:44:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction
Message-ID: <12093.2ecfff2b.3a717f4c@aol.com>

I thought it was interesting for one dealer to have 2 Tigers on hand.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2011 11:52:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cbowland at msn.com writes:

I think  the black 1967 Tiger that will go across the block looks pretty 
nice.
This  will be at the Mecum auction held at Kissimmee FL this coming  
Saturday.
Pictures are at Mecum  Infonet
<info at mecumauction.com<mailto:info at mecumauction.com>>  and the car is Lot # 
S
145.1

Did anyone happen to notice the rather  bright blue Tiger in the background 
of
the brochure/web listing? Just  curious about that one too. It will be
interesting to see what the sale  price might be.

Curt  Bowland
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From shutchin at netjets.com  Wed Jan 26 07:03:42 2011
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:03:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40D4EA711@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

All,

I have basically the same set up w/the exception of roller lifters and rockers. 

Six blade lat fan, horn block offs,  and otherwise stock cooling system. 

No overheating issues. 


Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NetJets Aviation 

Mobile 843.290.2805

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From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 07:39:55 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:39:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] E15 fuel
Message-ID: <393f0.2c8069b1.3a718c3b@aol.com>

If you are interested in saying no to the coming E15 Fuel,  that will 
destroy much of the Tiger fuel system, you can send a petition to  Congress by 
going to; 
 
_http://www.historicvehicle.org/no-ethanol.php_ 
(http://www.historicvehicle.org/no-ethanol.php) 
 
John Logan

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Wed Jan 26 08:22:31 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 9:22:31 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
In-Reply-To: <393f0.2c8069b1.3a718c3b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>

Hello all,

I am in the final stages of getting parts for the 347.

Oil pan - does the Canton pan # 15630 fit without modification to the cross member?  Can anyone that has the 15630 install confirm?

Please do not point me to the to the $500 AVIAID pan.  Looking at the Canton.

Thanks,
Duke
B382002037

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Jan 26 08:53:55 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:53:55 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
In-Reply-To: <20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
References: <393f0.2c8069b1.3a718c3b@aol.com>
	<20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2BE96CB@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

If that's the one that is listed by Canton as a Tiger part, then it works and
doesn't require any cutting of anything to fit. I have one and their matching
pickup and windage tray as well. No leaks at the gasket surface.

The only bad thing is that you will not be able to install/remove the engine
and trans assembly without going out the bottom. You can, however, remove and
install the pan while the engine is in the car, without too many shenanigans.
All pan bolts are reasonably accessible.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: January 26, 2011 8:23 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am in the final stages of getting parts for the 347.
>
> Oil pan - does the Canton pan # 15630 fit without modification to the
> cross member?  Can anyone that has the 15630 install confirm?
>
> Please do not point me to the to the $500 AVIAID pan.  Looking at the
> Canton.
>
> Thanks,
> Duke
> B382002037
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From jim at island.net  Wed Jan 26 08:53:39 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:53:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
In-Reply-To: <20110126120733.0A0C6187643@autox.team.net>
References: <20110126120733.0A0C6187643@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <011901cbbd71$33b0a5c0$9b11f140$@net>

I think Bob's comment was to do with the Lemans coupes specifically... NOT
the production cars...
I was just reading about Shelby's LeMan's efforts in 1963/4 and it appears
that he in fact was using the 289 long before he built the 260's for Rootes
LeMans cars...in fact he had 289's in his cars from early '63 . The article
also states that Ford would not provide engines for the 2 '63 Shelby Lemans
cars so they prepared their own 'with the help of A.C. cars and Ed Hugus'
  I'm sure a horse-trader like Shelby could have scrounged up a few 289
blocks for the Rootes effort in '64... if it wouldn't have made his Cobra's
look bad... ;)



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of spook01 at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:08 AM
To: Steve Laifman; Tiger's Den; Rob Guerra; BOB HOKANSON
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?

Yeah, I know.  But every few years this chestnut comes up.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Steve Laifman" <slaifman at socal.rr.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 00:10
Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
To: "spook01 at comcast.net" <spook01 at comcast.net>, "Tiger's Den"
<tigers at autox.team.net>, "Rob Guerra" <bomber44 at comcast.net>, "BOB HOKANSON"
<spook01 at comcast.com>

I got lost in that "go-around".  I believe that Bob Hokanson was biting his
tongue in his cheek when he wrote that reply, I believe, as a joke.

Shelby had NOTHING to do with which Ford engine he got for his early Cobra's
and the Sunbeam Tiger's.  At that time, Ford was still developing the 289
for the Mustang, and wouldn't/couldn't release a developmental engine that
would cripple it's availability for the Mustang.

The negotiations for the Tiger were between Lord Rootes, and Ford, in any
event.

They ALL got 289's, when they became available from production.

Steve

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 1/25/11 8:39 PM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> No doubt he was reluctant to allow the SHELBY mustang name to be diluted.
> Sunbeam had already paid him for his prototype and weren't coughing up
anymore!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Bob Hokanson"<tgrrr at peoplepc.com>
> Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 16:15
> Subject: [Tigers] Factory 289 in Mk1...?
> To: "Tigers"<tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> But didn't Caroll Shelby convince Rootes it would be better to use 260's
in the LeMans coupes?
>
> I'm sorry, sarcasm is not very becoming of me.

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Jan 26 08:57:37 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:57:37 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
In-Reply-To: <20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
References: <393f0.2c8069b1.3a718c3b@aol.com>
	<20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2BE96D9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Just looked at the pictures
http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&catego
ry=1502

The 15630 will not fit. They do, however, have a derivative of that pan that
has angled front corners, made specifically for the Tiger, and it fits just
right. Call or email Canton and ask.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> Sent: January 26, 2011 8:23 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am in the final stages of getting parts for the 347.
>
> Oil pan - does the Canton pan # 15630 fit without modification to the
> cross member?  Can anyone that has the 15630 install confirm?
>
> Please do not point me to the to the $500 AVIAID pan.  Looking at the
> Canton.
>
> Thanks,
> Duke
> B382002037
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Wed Jan 26 09:33:16 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:33:16 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2BE96D9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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I called Canton.  It is the 15-630S that is modified by notching the front corners for another $100.  Total price is ~ $470.

I called AVIAID and they will sell me one of theirs with a 8% military discount for $450.......so, looks like Aviaid it is.

Thanks for the reply guys.

Duke
B382002037 


---- "Smit wrote: 
> Just looked at the pictures
> http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=1502
> 
> The 15630 will not fit. They do, however, have a derivative of that pan that has angled front corners, made specifically for the Tiger, and it fits just right. Call or email Canton and ask.
> 
> Theo
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> > Sent: January 26, 2011 8:23 AM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am in the final stages of getting parts for the 347.
> >
> > Oil pan - does the Canton pan # 15630 fit without modification to the
> > cross member?  Can anyone that has the 15630 install confirm?
> >
> > Please do not point me to the to the $500 AVIAID pan.  Looking at the
> > Canton.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Duke
> > B382002037
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Jan 26 09:40:40 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:40:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=YxM8TFzu79eMeOzSToQ5N0DJiH=QyAAP5+0Q6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4d3ee068.8c8ee50a.4450.74ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<AANLkTi=YxM8TFzu79eMeOzSToQ5N0DJiH=QyAAP5+0Q6@mail.gmail.com>
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The first CSX2000 series Cobras ran a solid-lifter version of the 260
using all the same goodies (aluminum high rise intake, Holley 4bbl,
lumpy cam and larger valve heads) that would ultimately become the LAT
options. That engine was claimed to be 245 horsepower.  Shelby did get
the early 289s in late '63, whether they were Ford K code engines or
Shelby did the hypo  mods I don't remember.

I have always suspected that Shelby influenced Lord Rootes to use the
mild 260 so as not to present a challenge to his own cars. Imagine if
all the Tigers came with K code 289s!

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:14 PM
To: spook01 at comcast.net
Cc: Beamclub TIGER
Subject: Re: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo

While they are LAT options i belive the factory offered a 245 version,
and it ran the 4bbl and edelbrock manifold with the revised cam.  think
the factory list might be on the tigersunited site as a scan of the
racing options

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 26 10:15:27 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:15:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
In-Reply-To: <20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
References: <20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <198219.20123.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Duke -

One other place with the same Tiger pan as Avaiad, used to be cheeper
but not 
sure anymore and that is from Armondo Racing Pans, used to work for
Avaiaid and 
I think has moved to Texas. I have one on the motor that is to go
in the car, 
don't know if it will fit or not.

I think I have that Canton pan
15-630 in my Garage if you want to give it a shot 
or for me to take any
measurements I can easily do so.

Sandy




________________________________
From: "wsamouce at kc.rr.com" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 7:22:31 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
Hello all,

I am in the final stages of getting parts for the 347.

Oil pan -
does the Canton pan # 15630 fit without modification to the cross 
member? 
Can anyone that has the 15630 install confirm?

Please do not point me to the
to the $500 AVIAID pan.  Looking at the Canton.

Thanks,
Duke
B382002037
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From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:17:44 2011
From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:17:44 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Factory competition 260s
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7624.1296043654.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7624.1296043654.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w4155B34F677B8A773CF8F0DBFF0@phx.gbl>

Hi All:
Just to add to the TIGER lore I pass along this as it happened to me but other
than that I have no knowledge if it is true or not:

About 15 years ago I was in the Museum of America in Polson, Montana and I met
an old English gentleman. We got talking about cars and I told him that I had
a Sunbeam TIGER. He said that he had worked for Lister back when TIGERs were
in production. He claimed to have personally built many of the engines that
Roots used in competition. I asked him about the LeMans TIGERs and he told me
that they had tested the 260 on the bench extensively by running a number of
them to destruction. I asked what he met by that and he said: You know . .
. a brick on the loud peddle type of thing until they break. And then you tear
them down and see what gave and the fix it and try it again. I then said that
I thought that Shelby had built the 260s for the LeMans cars. He replied:
Shelby couldnt build s**t for an engine. I built them  Personally! But
they failed. I said. Go ask Shelby about that! was his retort and he broke
off the visit and walked away in a bit of a huff. I wish now that I had gotten
his name and perhaps a picture.

Jc

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Wed Jan 26 10:18:27 2011
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
In-Reply-To: <20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
References: <393f0.2c8069b1.3a718c3b@aol.com>
	<20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155445856073C@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

Not pointing to the Aviaid, but it does require some slight clearancing of the
inside lip of the crossmember to fit.  Not much, but a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:23 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630

Hello all,

I am in the final stages of getting parts for the 347.

Oil pan - does the Canton pan # 15630 fit without modification to the cross
member?  Can anyone that has the 15630 install confirm?

Please do not point me to the to the $500 AVIAID pan.  Looking at the Canton.

Thanks,
Duke
B382002037

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 26 10:19:15 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:19:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
In-Reply-To: <20110126163316.DURMR.9203.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
References: <20110126163316.DURMR.9203.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <1136.77936.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Make sure if you do get an aviaid pan that you check it all out for leaks and
especially the pick up for poor welding or slack INSIDE the pick up. The last
pan I got from them years ago had loose welding slag inside the pick up would
have been bad to install. Not sure if the quality has got better but heads up.
Sandy




________________________________
From: "wsamouce at kc.rr.com"
<wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>;
"Smit, Theo" 
<Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 8:33:16
AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630

I called Canton.  It is the
15-630S that is modified by notching the front 
corners for another $100. 
Total price is ~ $470.

I called AVIAID and they will sell me one of theirs
with a 8% military discount 
for $450.......so, looks like Aviaid it is.
Thanks for the reply guys.

Duke
B382002037 


---- "Smit wrote: 
> Just
looked at the pictures
>http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&categ
ory=1502
>2
> 
> The 15630 will not fit. They do, however, have a derivative
of that pan that 
>has angled front corners, made specifically for the Tiger,
and it fits just 
>right. Call or email Canton and ask.
> 
> Theo
> 
> >
-----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-
> > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
>
> Sent: January 26, 2011 8:23 AM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject:
[Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am in the final
stages of getting parts for the 347.
> >
> > Oil pan - does the Canton pan #
15630 fit without modification to the
> > cross member?  Can anyone that has
the 15630 install confirm?
> >
> > Please do not point me to the to the $500
AVIAID pan.  Looking at the
> > Canton.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Duke
> >
B382002037
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 26 11:22:06 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:22:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for the Tiger
Message-ID: <576413.93376.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"The negotiations for the Tiger were between Lord Rootes, and Ford, in
any event.

They ALL got 289's, when they became available from production."
 
Maybe for the Shelby Mustang and Cobra.  Ford supplied 289s to Rootes only
when the original contract for 260s ended.   Then Ford supplied the 289 to
Rootes.  289s were in production long before Rootes switched to 289s for the
MKII.
 
 
                            Jeff

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 26 14:59:00 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:59:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <576413.93376.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <396877.98171.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It is just my opinion but I believe C. Shelby influenced the 260 for the first
Tigers. The 289 was available then but Shelby knew that with a 289 the Tiger
would blow away the first Cobras. As I said, it is just my opinion but if he
had reccomended the 289 to Lord Rootes, perhaps all Tigers would have had the
5 bolt 289 until the 6 bolt became available.

--- On Wed, 1/26/11, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for the Tiger
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 12:22 PM
> "The negotiations for the Tiger were
> between Lord Rootes, and Ford, in
> any event.
>
> They ALL got 289's, when they became available from
> production."
>
> Maybe for the Shelby Mustang and Cobra.  Ford supplied
> 289s to Rootes only
> when the original contract for 260s
> ended.   Then Ford supplied the 289 to
> Rootes.  289s were in production long before Rootes
> switched to 289s for the
> MKII.
>
>
>                
>             Jeff
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 26 16:15:30 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:15:30 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?More_cubes_for_the_Tiger?=
Message-ID: <20110126231507.4B08D187643@autox.team.net>

No doubt shelby was screwing the competition, but having driven both the 260 and 289 cobra s at speed, as well as the tiger...uh, well, maybe not. The cobra is lighter (260 version just over 2000#, the 289 at 2300#, tiger at 2600# ), as well as more stable (90 vs.80" wb)
Even the early cobra suspension is much more compliant and forgiving than the tiger, with limited travel, mis matched track, and bizarre ackermann angles.
That doesn't mean I don't love my tigger.  Sadly, they were just never developed, leaving a lot of scope for tom, et al. to make them go.
(let go of my leg, kitty) 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 15:59
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for the Tiger
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>, "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>

It is just my opinion but I believe C. Shelby influenced the 260 for the first
Tigers. The 289 was available then but Shelby knew that with a 289 the Tiger
would blow away the first Cobras. As I said, it is just my opinion but if he
had reccomended the 289 to Lord Rootes, perhaps all Tigers would have had the
5 bolt 289 until the 6 bolt became available.

--- On Wed, 1/26/11, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for the Tiger
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 12:22 PM
> "The negotiations for the Tiger were
> between Lord Rootes, and Ford, in
> any event.
>
> They ALL got 289's, when they became available from
> production."
>
> Maybe for the Shelby Mustang and Cobra.  Ford supplied
> 289s to Rootes only
> when the original contract for 260s
> ended.   Then Ford supplied the 289 to
> Rootes.  289s were in production long before Rootes
> switched to 289s for the
> MKII.
>
>
>                
>             Jeff
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From allanballard at att.net  Wed Jan 26 16:42:50 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:42:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger: Originality
In-Reply-To: <576413.93376.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <576413.93376.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D554E09-E016-4313-A44A-C65CAA9D6DF8@att.net>

My '66 MK1-a Tiger # ...091is referred to as a crossover style since it has
both square and round corner
body parts.

Something else I've noticed that co-mingles earlier different styles is the
knob on the heat control levers.

Earlier Tigers (and Alpines) used a chrome ball on the end of the levers;
later cars used a black plastic knob.

The levers themselves are threaded for the chrome ball version but not for the
knob version as the knobs are
made to be pushed on.

On my car, one of each type lever is present - accordingly one has a chrome
ball while the other has the knob.

I can't imagine one of the levers breaking or falling off  in the past and
being replaced - they are sturdy and well affixed - and my cars log has
no mention of a replacement.

So my question <finally> is whether the co-mingling is "factory" for early
crossover cars ??

Allan Ballard
MK1-a Tiger

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 26 16:55:46 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Limey Mess
Message-ID: <FD46ACC73E9D495FAC0C2703DAF2082E@jeffnicholsPC>

Looks like the British have crappy customizers too!  The spoiler on the
trunk with a third brake light is a nice touch.
 
 
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sunbeam-alpine-/320646542336?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_
CarParts_SM
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sunbeam-alpine-/320646542336?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles
_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aa805f400> &hash=item4aa805f400
 
 
                                                                     Jeff

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Wed Jan 26 17:26:41 2011
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Limey Mess
In-Reply-To: <FD46ACC73E9D495FAC0C2703DAF2082E@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <FD46ACC73E9D495FAC0C2703DAF2082E@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554458560A57@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

That would be the requisite rear fog light, I believe.  Interesting
modifications however...

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:56 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Limey Mess

Looks like the British have crappy customizers too!  The spoiler on the
trunk with a third brake light is a nice touch.



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sunbeam-alpine-/320646542336?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_
CarParts_SM
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sunbeam-alpine-/320646542336?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles
_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aa805f400> &hash=item4aa805f400

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Jan 26 18:14:01 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:14:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Limey Mess
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554458560A57@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
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	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554458560A57@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <4D40C6D9.2010008@mayfco.com>

By the way,  something similar works well on the salt flats race car: it 
also has spill plates on the end to keep the air contained however.  
Does help to keep the fronty end going forward at speed. I do doubt that 
the Alpine motor is capable of making it go fast enough to have much 
effect at all.

mayf

On 1/26/2011 4:26 PM, Teepen, Jere wrote:
> That would be the requisite rear fog light, I believe.  Interesting
> modifications however...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:56 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Limey Mess
>
> Looks like the British have crappy customizers too!  The spoiler on the
> trunk with a third brake light is a nice touch.
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sunbeam-alpine-/320646542336?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_
> CarParts_SM
> <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sunbeam-alpine-/320646542336?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 19:05:04 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:05:04 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] factory 260 hipo
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A077CDB36@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <4d3ee068.8c8ee50a.4450.74ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
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> .
>
> I have always suspected that Shelby influenced Lord Rootes to use the
> mild 260 so as not to present a challenge to his own cars. Imagine if
> all the Tigers came with K code 289s!
>
> Bugz
>
> I dont think rootes woudl ever have gone down the Hi-po route as stock, in
reality the Tiger was always more of a GT than an out and out sports car as
standard. The leaf springs and drums on the back limited its abaility to
handle any more power than it had.. if they offfered the hi-po 289 as stock
the factory would have had to offer traction bars, 4 wheel discs, wider
wheels and tyres and better cooling as stock.. which they examined and
brough the price point to close to the E-type and other high performance
cars... its sad.. imagine what we would have had as a base car.. there was
even a 4 wheel dics IRS tiger prototype, all reports were it was a great
car.. but would have bene the same cost as an etype.. so got canned.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 19:07:37 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:07:37 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger: Originality
In-Reply-To: <4D554E09-E016-4313-A44A-C65CAA9D6DF8@att.net>
References: <576413.93376.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4D554E09-E016-4313-A44A-C65CAA9D6DF8@att.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim01HTCDeOQEnenYN=hxbfs7E0KsEL7vRsRbH8u@mail.gmail.com>

Allan,

IIRC the chrome knob ones also indicate that the heater blower is activated
by pulling the knob, the later cars with plastic knobs used the switch near
the wipers, does your car operate the blower via a switch or via pulling the
knob (no rude jokes intended)

On 27 January 2011 10:42, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> My '66 MK1-a Tiger # ...091is referred to as a crossover style since it has
> both square and round corner
> body parts.
>
> Something else I've noticed that co-mingles earlier different styles is the
> knob on the heat control levers.
>
> Earlier Tigers (and Alpines) used a chrome ball on the end of the levers;
> later cars used a black plastic knob.
>
> The levers themselves are threaded for the chrome ball version but not for
> the
> knob version as the knobs are
> made to be pushed on.
>
> On my car, one of each type lever is present - accordingly one has a chrome
> ball while the other has the knob.
>
> I can't imagine one of the levers breaking or falling off  in the past and
> being replaced - they are sturdy and well affixed - and my cars log has
> no mention of a replacement.
>
> So my question <finally> is whether the co-mingling is "factory" for early
> crossover cars ??
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> _______________________________________________
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Regards

Michael King

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Wed Jan 26 19:25:34 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:25:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  Limey Mess
Message-ID: <4D40D79E.3030404@socal.rr.com>

Jeff.

Now, that's an interesting set of pictures for an auction "_This auction 
is for one wheel nut only_"  and this Alpine doesn't look like it has 
wire wheels. The seller has excellent reports for BUYING things, though!

Fascinating!

Steve
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Tigers] Limey Mess
Date: 	Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:55:46 -0500
From: 	Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	<tigers at autox.team.net>

Looks like the British have crappy customizers too! The spoiler on the 
trunk with a third brake light is a nice touch.

(This link works!)
<  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sunbeam-alpine-/320646542336?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles
_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aa805f400>  &hash=item4aa805f400  <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/sunbeam-alpine-/320646542336?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles,_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aa805f400%3E%20&hash=item4aa805f400>  >


                                                                      Jeff

From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Thu Jan 27 02:23:03 2011
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:23:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for the Tiger
References: <mailman.7725.1296095123.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <B0B11500000F450399E863238B539B01@computer>

The 289 Cobra weighs in at 2030#, not 2300#.
Darrell

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:15:30 -0600
From: " spook01 at comcast.net " <spook01 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for the Tiger
To: " Tony Somebody " <achd73 at yahoo.com>, tigers at autox.team.net, "
Jeffrey Nichols " <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20110126231507.4B08D187643 at autox.team.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

No doubt shelby was screwing the competition, but having driven both the 260 
and 289 cobra s at speed, as well as the tiger...uh, well, maybe not. The 
cobra is lighter (260 version just over 2000#, the 289 at 2300#, tiger at 
2600# ), as well as more stable (90 vs.80" wb)
Even the early cobra suspension is much more compliant and forgiving than 
the tiger, with limited travel, mis matched track, and bizarre ackermann 
angles.
That doesn't mean I don't love my tigger.  Sadly, they were just never 
developed, leaving a lot of scope for tom, et al. to make them go.
(let go of my leg, kitty)

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

From allanballard at att.net  Thu Jan 27 05:01:10 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger: Originality
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim01HTCDeOQEnenYN=hxbfs7E0KsEL7vRsRbH8u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <576413.93376.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4D554E09-E016-4313-A44A-C65CAA9D6DF8@att.net>
	<AANLkTim01HTCDeOQEnenYN=hxbfs7E0KsEL7vRsRbH8u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F5554D3-F7C9-438F-B990-8EC4ABD6AFDF@att.net>

Michael,

There is a blower switch near the wipers.

I suppose the lever with a chrome ball "could" have snapped and been replaced
with
a different style but that seems unlikely - it would have to have happened
pre-1982 and be due to
something besides rust as the car went into storage in '82 and has little
rust.

The lever with the chrome ball is the one for Off etc.  Cold, Warm, Hot has
the plastic knob lever.

On the other hand, if no others have this arrangement, it is less likely that
one car was prepared
differently and could indicate a repair was made using mis-matching levers.

My Series IV Alpine is very early and has some Series 3 items such as round
dash lights (ignition, blinker,
high/low beam, OD) but they are complete - not mismatched like the Tiger round
and square parts and
conceivably the heater levers, but they do point to Rootes' use of parts from
prior models for
crossover cars.

If I decide to make the levers match -- I suppose the "correct" lever would be
the one with a plastic knob?

Allan Ballard
MK1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine



On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:07 PM, michael king wrote:

> Allan,
>
> IIRC the chrome knob ones also indicate that the heater blower is activated
by pulling the knob, the later cars with plastic knobs used the switch near
the wipers, does your car operate the blower via a switch or via pulling the
knob (no rude jokes intended)
>
> On 27 January 2011 10:42, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
> My '66 MK1-a Tiger # ...091is referred to as a crossover style since it has
> both square and round corner
> body parts.
>
> Something else I've noticed that co-mingles earlier different styles is the
> knob on the heat control levers.
>
> Earlier Tigers (and Alpines) used a chrome ball on the end of the levers;
> later cars used a black plastic knob.
>
> The levers themselves are threaded for the chrome ball version but not for
the
> knob version as the knobs are
> made to be pushed on.
>
> On my car, one of each type lever is present - accordingly one has a chrome
> ball while the other has the knob.
>
> I can't imagine one of the levers breaking or falling off  in the past and
> being replaced - they are sturdy and well affixed - and my cars log has
> no mention of a replacement.
>
> So my question <finally> is whether the co-mingling is "factory" for early
> crossover cars ??
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King

From rande at thecia.net  Thu Jan 27 05:13:21 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
Message-ID: <4d416161.6cec.0@thecia.net>

Shelby gets blamed for a few things, rightly or wrongly, concerning the Tiger
race car performance, but I think he's probably in the clear concerning why
Rootes decided to buy 260's.

My hunch is that Ford made them a compelling offer for the 260, so that Ford
could spread out production costs before switching entirely over to the 289.
As far as availability, you could have a 1963 Ford Galaxie with a C motor (289-2V),
so it's not that they weren't making them in 1964. The K motor (289-4V 271hp)
wasn't available in production for Mustang until the Fall 1964, and it probably
would have tipped the cost of a Tiger very close to Corvette(I remember a close-out
1964 Sting Ray coupe in a showroom for $3500). And finally, as Michael King
mentioned, there was the dealer-available option,over the counter or dealer-installed
of 245hp if 164hp didn't do enough for an owner.

Also, in a couple of books written about early Cobra's, there was mention of
Cobra 260 owners bringing their cars back to Ol'Shel to swap for 289's. I wonder
how many Tiger owners thought to do the same thing when they learned what Cobra
owners were doing?

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 27 07:23:37 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:23:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger: Originality
In-Reply-To: <1F5554D3-F7C9-438F-B990-8EC4ABD6AFDF@att.net>
Message-ID: <BBF12D0B4DFB483BBF27B72C7755F1BE@ronpc1>

Allan
	It is always difficult to determine when oddities like this happened
unless you're the original owner.
Norm might have some insight about this.   It is possible that the Factory
was using up parts and your Tiger got one of each.  It is also possible that
a previous owner of your Tiger pulled the plastic knob off then lost it and
decided to replace the lever.  It is a guessing game at this point.

My Tiger Mk 1A has an earlier Vin but a later JAL than yours; both of my
heater controls have the plastic knob.


Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:01 AM
To: michael king; Beamclub TIGER
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger: Originality


Michael,

There is a blower switch near the wipers.

I suppose the lever with a chrome ball "could" have snapped and been
replaced with a different style but that seems unlikely - it would have to
have happened pre-1982 and be due to something besides rust as the car went
into storage in '82 and has little rust.

The lever with the chrome ball is the one for Off etc.  Cold, Warm, Hot has
the plastic knob lever.

On the other hand, if no others have this arrangement, it is less likely
that one car was prepared differently and could indicate a repair was made
using mis-matching levers.

My Series IV Alpine is very early and has some Series 3 items such as round
dash lights (ignition, blinker, high/low beam, OD) but they are complete -
not mismatched like the Tiger round and square parts and conceivably the
heater levers, but they do point to Rootes' use of parts from prior models
for crossover cars.

If I decide to make the levers match -- I suppose the "correct" lever would
be the one with a plastic knob?

Allan Ballard
MK1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine



On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:07 PM, michael king wrote:

> Allan,
>
> IIRC the chrome knob ones also indicate that the heater blower is
> activated
by pulling the knob, the later cars with plastic knobs used the switch near
the wipers, does your car operate the blower via a switch or via pulling the
knob (no rude jokes intended)
>
> On 27 January 2011 10:42, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
> My '66 MK1-a Tiger # ...091is referred to as a crossover style since
> it has both square and round corner body parts.
>
> Something else I've noticed that co-mingles earlier different styles
> is the knob on the heat control levers.
>
> Earlier Tigers (and Alpines) used a chrome ball on the end of the
> levers; later cars used a black plastic knob.
>
> The levers themselves are threaded for the chrome ball version but not
> for
the
> knob version as the knobs are
> made to be pushed on.
>
> On my car, one of each type lever is present - accordingly one has a
> chrome ball while the other has the knob.
>
> I can't imagine one of the levers breaking or falling off  in the past
> and being replaced - they are sturdy and well affixed - and my cars
> log has no mention of a replacement.
>
> So my question <finally> is whether the co-mingling is "factory" for
> early crossover cars ??
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> _______________________________________________

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 27 08:12:40 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:12:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <4d416161.6cec.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <29300623208747EA89BF41370EEADC4E@ronpc1>

	It's too easy to speculate about all of this.  We don't know the
correct answers and apparently no one asked the people who do know for a
first hand account.

According to Bob Mannel's book:
The 289 was first cast in Dec 1962; this is part of the 1963 Ford model year
The Fairlane 289 HiPo was introduced in Dec 1962

	I believe both of these engines were still in the development stage;
some of the internal parts were not up to racing standards.  I believe it
took most of the next year to sort things out but it is not totally clear
when these improvements actually happened.

	I also believe that FoMoCo was calling the shots about who got which
engine and when.   Ford was supporting multiple racing teams including
Shelby American and Ford carried a very big stick.  Ford wanted to dominate
at the race track.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of rande
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:13 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger


Shelby gets blamed for a few things, rightly or wrongly, concerning the
Tiger race car performance, but I think he's probably in the clear
concerning why Rootes decided to buy 260's.

My hunch is that Ford made them a compelling offer for the 260, so that Ford
could spread out production costs before switching entirely over to the 289.
As far as availability, you could have a 1963 Ford Galaxie with a C motor
(289-2V), so it's not that they weren't making them in 1964. The K motor
(289-4V 271hp) wasn't available in production for Mustang until the Fall
1964, and it probably would have tipped the cost of a Tiger very close to
Corvette(I remember a close-out 1964 Sting Ray coupe in a showroom for
$3500). And finally, as Michael King mentioned, there was the
dealer-available option,over the counter or dealer-installed of 245hp if
164hp didn't do enough for an owner.

Also, in a couple of books written about early Cobra's, there was mention of
Cobra 260 owners bringing their cars back to Ol'Shel to swap for 289's. I
wonder how many Tiger owners thought to do the same thing when they learned
what Cobra owners were doing?
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Thu Jan 27 08:30:02 2011
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:30:02 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] For $22,000, Tiger, Tiger, Burning Bright
Message-ID: <66F2299E-62AF-4434-A951-6AD60C0FD0BD@mac.com>

It's for sale again.

http://jalopnik.com/5744478/for-22000-tiger-tiger-burning-bright



Rob in Carmel, CA
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC# 0519

From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 09:19:05 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:19:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] For $22,000, Tiger, Tiger, Burning Bright
Message-ID: <38df1.2da146f3.3a72f4f8@aol.com>

On that same page is an interesting story on how the Bullitt movie was  
made.
M
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2011 10:50:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
crbernardino at mac.com writes:

It's for  sale  again.

http://jalopnik.com/5744478/for-22000-tiger-tiger-burning-bright



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1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color  Code 39: Carnival Red
TAC#  0519
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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Thu Jan 27 09:55:28 2011
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:55:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Jalopnik - Today's Nice Price or Crack Pipe
Message-ID: <39B362502CB34AD08466C06235B20CDD@unhackable>

http://jalopnik.com/5744478/for-22000-tiger-tiger-burning-bright

Gary Pointer
St. Albert, Alberta

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Jan 27 10:47:52 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:47:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
References: <29300623208747EA89BF41370EEADC4E@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <E41B67A281F5446286DBF19CE10EB0A7@student2>

It seems very interesting that the 289 was available (at least to Ford) in 
the 1963 model year, yet Rootes did not use the 289 until their 1967 model 
year.   To my knowledge the 260 stopped being used after the 1964 model year 
(a few 1964-1/2 Mustangs were built with 260's supposedly to exhaust the 
existing supply). I have Ray Miller's definitive book "Falcon" and he 
indicates that in the 1965 model year only the 289 was available.

The 1965 Falcon and the 1965 Tiger were introduced at about the same time 
and in their line up (Ford's) the 289 was the only small block V-8 Ford 
offered. So, that leaves one to ponder why the 260 was used by Rootes two 
years beyond Ford's production car use. And for that matter why they didn't 
opt to, or were allowed to use the 289 in their race cars.

While there has been much reasonable speculation two things remain clear. 
The 289 had already been in production through two (some may say one and a 
half) model years before the first Tigers were sold.  And while Ford had 
ceased using the 260, Rootes used the 260 for two additional model years 
after Ford had stopped.

 I think the 1966 model Tigers with 260's are the "head scratcher."   But 
anyway, it all makes for good Tiger chat and I always glean something from 
the discussions.

Tom Witt ("Monday morning quarterbacking" the 260/289 issue)


Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger


> It's too easy to speculate about all of this.  We don't know the
> correct answers and apparently no one asked the people who do know for a
> first hand account.
>
> According to Bob Mannel's book:
> The 289 was first cast in Dec 1962; this is part of the 1963 Ford model 
> year
> The Fairlane 289 HiPo was introduced in Dec 1962
>
> I believe both of these engines were still in the development stage;
> some of the internal parts were not up to racing standards.  I believe it
> took most of the next year to sort things out but it is not totally clear
> when these improvements actually happened.
>
> I also believe that FoMoCo was calling the shots about who got which
> engine and when.   Ford was supporting multiple racing teams including
> Shelby American and Ford carried a very big stick.  Ford wanted to 
> dominate
> at the race track.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of rande
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:13 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
>
>
> Shelby gets blamed for a few things, rightly or wrongly, concerning the
> Tiger race car performance, but I think he's probably in the clear
> concerning why Rootes decided to buy 260's.
>
> My hunch is that Ford made them a compelling offer for the 260, so that 
> Ford
> could spread out production costs before switching entirely over to the 
> 289.
> As far as availability, you could have a 1963 Ford Galaxie with a C motor
> (289-2V), so it's not that they weren't making them in 1964. The K motor
> (289-4V 271hp) wasn't available in production for Mustang until the Fall
> 1964, and it probably would have tipped the cost of a Tiger very close to
> Corvette(I remember a close-out 1964 Sting Ray coupe in a showroom for
> $3500). And finally, as Michael King mentioned, there was the
> dealer-available option,over the counter or dealer-installed of 245hp if
> 164hp didn't do enough for an owner.
>
> Also, in a couple of books written about early Cobra's, there was mention 
> of
> Cobra 260 owners bringing their cars back to Ol'Shel to swap for 289's. I
> wonder how many Tiger owners thought to do the same thing when they 
> learned
> what Cobra owners were doing?

From mai65tai at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 11:27:27 2011
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:27:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger:Originality
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7824.1296150488.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7824.1296150488.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1C23F99E-3358-45C4-B891-7D516F0D9405@sonic.net>

My early Tiger--Black Dash #254 came with the chrome ball heater & vent
controls. It also had a dash Blower switch. Although the "Chrome Ball" control
had the wiring for the push-pull blower motor, the wires were cut close to the
control.
I can only assume that Rootes used the Alpine controls in the early Tigers but
didn't hook them up with wiring, choosing to use the dash Blower switch
instead.

John Stithem


>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:01:10 -0500
> From: Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger: Originality
> To: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>, Beamclub TIGER
> 	<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Message-ID: <1F5554D3-F7C9-438F-B990-8EC4ABD6AFDF at att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Michael,
>
> There is a blower switch near the wipers.
>
> I suppose the lever with a chrome ball "could" have snapped and been
replaced
> with
> a different style but that seems unlikely - it would have to have happened
> pre-1982 and be due to
> something besides rust as the car went into storage in '82 and has little
> rust.
>
> The lever with the chrome ball is the one for Off etc.  Cold, Warm, Hot has
> the plastic knob lever.
>
> On the other hand, if no others have this arrangement, it is less likely
that
> one car was prepared
> differently and could indicate a repair was made using mis-matching levers.
>
> My Series IV Alpine is very early and has some Series 3 items such as round
> dash lights (ignition, blinker,
> high/low beam, OD) but they are complete - not mismatched like the Tiger
round
> and square parts and
> conceivably the heater levers, but they do point to Rootes' use of parts
from
> prior models for
> crossover cars.
>
> If I decide to make the levers match -- I suppose the "correct" lever would
be
> the one with a plastic knob?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1-a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:07 PM, michael king wrote:

From shutchin at netjets.com  Thu Jan 27 11:43:34 2011
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:43:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40D4EA71D@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I imagine a deal was made sometime in the early sixties based on a prototype. 

The prototype had a 260. Somebody very high up at Ford said 'you can have 7,000 some odd 260s for x dollars/pounds'. If the subject even came up about the 289 then the person at Ford said well that will be x+ dollars/pounds. 

The leader/decision maker at Rootes, who may have driven the prototype and found the performance adequate, said the 260 will be fine. 

Contracts were written and a bunch of 260s were cranked out and put on a boat. 

When the number of cars exceeded the number of engines a phone call was made to whomever was the sales contact at Ford and more were requested. 

Ford said, 'we don't make that anymore. But you can have a derivative that is better.' 

And so goes the story. 

I do have one question for you lucky Tiger Mk II owners.  Does the 289 in a Mk II have screw in rocker studs?  I had heard this was an upgrade that was requested due to some unfortunate events surrounding high rpms. 

Stuck in the snow in New England with an Old Tiger in the garage. 
 


Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NetJets Aviation 

Mobile 843.290.2805

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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Jan 27 12:00:32 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:00:32 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630
In-Reply-To: <198219.20123.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20110126152231.6IBRG.8653.root@hrndva-web19-z01>
	<198219.20123.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901cbbe54$792c5570$6b850050$@rr.com>

Contacted Armando in El Paso, TX.  His pan will be $440 with all the bells
and whistles.

 

I will go with him for my purchase.

 

Thanks guys,

Duke

B382002037

 

From: Sandy Ganz [mailto:sganz at pacbell.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:15 AM
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630

 

Duke -

 

One other place with the same Tiger pan as Avaiad, used to be cheeper but
not sure anymore and that is from Armondo Racing Pans, used to work for
Avaiaid and I think has moved to Texas. I have one on the motor that is to
go in the car, don't know if it will fit or not.

 

I think I have that Canton pan 15-630 in my Garage if you want to give it a
shot or for me to take any measurements I can easily do so.

 

Sandy

 

  _____  

From: "wsamouce at kc.rr.com" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 7:22:31 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Canton pan # 15630

Hello all,

I am in the final stages of getting parts for the 347.

Oil pan - does the Canton pan # 15630 fit without modification to the cross
member?  Can anyone that has the 15630 install confirm?

Please do not point me to the to the $500 AVIAID pan.  Looking at the
Canton.

Thanks,
Duke
B382002037
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Jan 27 12:12:28 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:12:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] For $22,000, Tiger, Tiger, Burning Bright
References: <66F2299E-62AF-4434-A951-6AD60C0FD0BD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0BCD4FF9541A47489A3A98596E47F3F2@student2>

If you read down to the posts you will find this naive comment:

"The fact that it might be an Alpine with a V8 does not detract from the 
value in my opinion." 

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 12:26:24 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:26:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40D4EA71D@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <394084.37122.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree with Scott's assessment. I think we're all talking about an inventory
issue here. Although Ford may have quit making 260s at some point in time, it
may have taken years to ship them all and have them installed. And Ford would
want to get rid of them all out of their inventory, before offering the 289 as
a substitute. It is typical for companies to announce new products long before
they are made available to the general public. In this case the "new and
improved" 289 was first given to race organizations to maximize Ford's
publicity. Then the bean counters said, "Hey, make sure you get rid of these
old 260s. Remember Rootes still has a contract with us."
 
You could still find 260s in Fairlanes, Falcons, Rancheros and Comets in '65
and '66 until they ran out of them.
 
My 2 cents



--- On Thu, 1/27/11, Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com> wrote:


From: Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
To: atwittsend at verizon.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 10:43 AM


I imagine a deal was made sometime in the early sixties based on a prototype.

The prototype had a 260. Somebody very high up at Ford said 'you can have
7,000 some odd 260s for x dollars/pounds'. If the subject even came up about
the 289 then the person at Ford said well that will be x+ dollars/pounds.

The leader/decision maker at Rootes, who may have driven the prototype and
found the performance adequate, said the 260 will be fine.

Contracts were written and a bunch of 260s were cranked out and put on a boat.

When the number of cars exceeded the number of engines a phone call was made
to whomever was the sales contact at Ford and more were requested.

Ford said, 'we don't make that anymore. But you can have a derivative that is
better.'

And so goes the story.

I do have one question for you lucky Tiger Mk II owners.  Does the 289 in a Mk
II have screw in rocker studs?  I had heard this was an upgrade that was
requested due to some unfortunate events surrounding high rpms.

Stuck in the snow in New England with an Old Tiger in the garage.



Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NetJets Aviation

Mobile 843.290.2805

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 27 12:50:50 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:50:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <E41B67A281F5446286DBF19CE10EB0A7@student2>
Message-ID: <764B249C1799496685E0198ADD84025E@ronpc1>

Tom
	According to Bob Mannel's book; Ford last cast the 260 block July
1965 and assembled the last 260 engines in the fall of 1965 which is the
1966 Ford model year.  These 260 blocks are the ones painted blue and there
is a good chance that the majority of these engines went to Rootes.

	The exact reason why Rootes stayed with the 260, we may never know;
someday all the Rootes and Ford documentation about the 260 maybe found.
The big problem is finding all the information.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:48 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger


It seems very interesting that the 289 was available (at least to Ford) in
the 1963 model year, yet Rootes did not use the 289 until their 1967 model
year.   To my knowledge the 260 stopped being used after the 1964 model year

(a few 1964-1/2 Mustangs were built with 260's supposedly to exhaust the
existing supply). I have Ray Miller's definitive book "Falcon" and he
indicates that in the 1965 model year only the 289 was available.

The 1965 Falcon and the 1965 Tiger were introduced at about the same time
and in their line up (Ford's) the 289 was the only small block V-8 Ford
offered. So, that leaves one to ponder why the 260 was used by Rootes two
years beyond Ford's production car use. And for that matter why they didn't
opt to, or were allowed to use the 289 in their race cars.

While there has been much reasonable speculation two things remain clear.
The 289 had already been in production through two (some may say one and a
half) model years before the first Tigers were sold.  And while Ford had
ceased using the 260, Rootes used the 260 for two additional model years
after Ford had stopped.

 I think the 1966 model Tigers with 260's are the "head scratcher."   But
anyway, it all makes for good Tiger chat and I always glean something from
the discussions.

Tom Witt ("Monday morning quarterbacking" the 260/289 issue)


Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger


> It's too easy to speculate about all of this.  We don't know the
> correct answers and apparently no one asked the people who do know for
> a first hand account.
>
> According to Bob Mannel's book:
> The 289 was first cast in Dec 1962; this is part of the 1963 Ford
> model
> year
> The Fairlane 289 HiPo was introduced in Dec 1962
>
> I believe both of these engines were still in the development stage;
> some of the internal parts were not up to racing standards.  I believe
> it took most of the next year to sort things out but it is not totally
> clear when these improvements actually happened.
>
> I also believe that FoMoCo was calling the shots about who got which
> engine and when.   Ford was supporting multiple racing teams including
> Shelby American and Ford carried a very big stick.  Ford wanted to
> dominate
> at the race track.
>
> Ron Fraser

From mark.rense at ge.com  Thu Jan 27 13:04:52 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] For $22,000, Tiger, Tiger, Burning Bright
In-Reply-To: <0BCD4FF9541A47489A3A98596E47F3F2@student2>
References: <66F2299E-62AF-4434-A951-6AD60C0FD0BD@mac.com>
	<0BCD4FF9541A47489A3A98596E47F3F2@student2>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A077CE962@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

The comments, like the one Tom quotes below, range from insightful to
just plain stupid. In other words, a typical bell-shaped curve cross
section of the readership.

An interesting read can be found on another page, this story interviews
the stunt driver that did most of Steve McQueen's driving in the movie
"Bullitt". A YouTube link is also provide so you can watch the infamous
chase scene between the Mustang and Dodge Charger.  Be sure to crank up
the sub-woofer!

http://jalopnik.com/5744523/the-real-story-of-the-chase-scene-in-bullitt
?skyline=true&s=i


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] For $22,000, Tiger, Tiger, Burning Bright

If you read down to the posts you will find this naive comment:

"The fact that it might be an Alpine with a V8 does not detract from the
value in my opinion."
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 13:17:45 2011
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:17:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mark II 289 Heads
Message-ID: <313626.80425.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

To the best of my knowledge...

Mark II 289's did not have screw in rocker arm studs.  The only heads Ford
produced for the 289 with screw in rocker studs were those for the 271-hp hipo
289 (K-code cars).  The original Mark II 289's had pressed in studs identical
to the 289 2V motors supplied domestically.  I have never heard of any "from
the factory" exceptions for the Mark II Tigers.

Regards,

Bill Waite

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Jan 27 13:55:54 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:55:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
References: <764B249C1799496685E0198ADD84025E@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <407DA24599A4421D897DBF2A8C3631A1@student2>

Wait..., I think I have solved the whole matter (LOL):

  Ford refuses to sell Rootes 289's because they need them for their own 
production (Mustangs especially). Thus, they offered Rootes 260's at a good 
price. This helped Rootes because they didn't want to invest in additional 
289 testing.

 Ford was happy to sell an obsolete, non-competitive engine size. Rootes was 
happy to get engines that were cheaper both in initial cost and also not 
needing additional testing (heat/torque issues).

All this made Shelby happy because his 289 Cobras stood out from the 260 
Tigers.

  As Archie Bunker says, "Case Closed Edith!"  :-)

Tom




----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Thomas Witt'" <atwittsend at verizon.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger


> Tom
> According to Bob Mannel's book; Ford last cast the 260 block July
> 1965 and assembled the last 260 engines in the fall of 1965 which is the
> 1966 Ford model year.  These 260 blocks are the ones painted blue and 
> there
> is a good chance that the majority of these engines went to Rootes.
>
> The exact reason why Rootes stayed with the 260, we may never know;
> someday all the Rootes and Ford documentation about the 260 maybe found.
> The big problem is finding all the information.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
>
>
> It seems very interesting that the 289 was available (at least to Ford) in
> the 1963 model year, yet Rootes did not use the 289 until their 1967 model
> year.   To my knowledge the 260 stopped being used after the 1964 model 
> year
>
> (a few 1964-1/2 Mustangs were built with 260's supposedly to exhaust the
> existing supply). I have Ray Miller's definitive book "Falcon" and he
> indicates that in the 1965 model year only the 289 was available.
>
> The 1965 Falcon and the 1965 Tiger were introduced at about the same time
> and in their line up (Ford's) the 289 was the only small block V-8 Ford
> offered. So, that leaves one to ponder why the 260 was used by Rootes two
> years beyond Ford's production car use. And for that matter why they 
> didn't
> opt to, or were allowed to use the 289 in their race cars.
>
> While there has been much reasonable speculation two things remain clear.
> The 289 had already been in production through two (some may say one and a
> half) model years before the first Tigers were sold.  And while Ford had
> ceased using the 260, Rootes used the 260 for two additional model years
> after Ford had stopped.
>
> I think the 1966 model Tigers with 260's are the "head scratcher."   But
> anyway, it all makes for good Tiger chat and I always glean something from
> the discussions.
>
> Tom Witt ("Monday morning quarterbacking" the 260/289 issue)
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
>
>
>> It's too easy to speculate about all of this.  We don't know the
>> correct answers and apparently no one asked the people who do know for
>> a first hand account.
>>
>> According to Bob Mannel's book:
>> The 289 was first cast in Dec 1962; this is part of the 1963 Ford
>> model
>> year
>> The Fairlane 289 HiPo was introduced in Dec 1962
>>
>> I believe both of these engines were still in the development stage;
>> some of the internal parts were not up to racing standards.  I believe
>> it took most of the next year to sort things out but it is not totally
>> clear when these improvements actually happened.
>>
>> I also believe that FoMoCo was calling the shots about who got which
>> engine and when.   Ford was supporting multiple racing teams including
>> Shelby American and Ford carried a very big stick.  Ford wanted to
>> dominate
>> at the race track.
>>
>> Ron Fraser

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 27 14:06:19 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:06:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40D4EA71D@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <C6892E988ED14F908A4A38AADFF47983@ronpc1>

Scott
	I don't have a Mk II engine handy to look at but here is what I have
found.

	Mk II heads are the C6OE-M casting; this head has an extra lobe of
material at the exhaust ports that could be machined for the air injectors.
The Mk II heads have the lobe but are not machined and these heads would
have press in studs.   This is not the same head casting used on the HiPo
engine.
	It also seems unlikely Rootes would pay extra for just HiPo heads on
the production Tiger with a 2bbl carb.  I would think Rootes could buy the
studs separately and do the machine work themselves but I also suspect that
might only have been done on race engines.

The 1966 HiPo heads were the same as the 1965 model; they have none of the
above extra material at the exhaust ports.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Scott Hutchinson
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:44 PM
To: atwittsend at verizon.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger


I imagine a deal was made sometime in the early sixties based on a
prototype.

The prototype had a 260. Somebody very high up at Ford said 'you can have
7,000 some odd 260s for x dollars/pounds'. If the subject even came up about
the 289 then the person at Ford said well that will be x+ dollars/pounds.

The leader/decision maker at Rootes, who may have driven the prototype and
found the performance adequate, said the 260 will be fine.

Contracts were written and a bunch of 260s were cranked out and put on a
boat.

When the number of cars exceeded the number of engines a phone call was made
to whomever was the sales contact at Ford and more were requested.

Ford said, 'we don't make that anymore. But you can have a derivative that
is better.'

And so goes the story.

I do have one question for you lucky Tiger Mk II owners.  Does the 289 in a
Mk II have screw in rocker studs?  I had heard this was an upgrade that was
requested due to some unfortunate events surrounding high rpms.

Stuck in the snow in New England with an Old Tiger in the garage.



Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NetJets Aviation

Mobile 843.290.2805

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From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Jan 27 14:10:26 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:10:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wheel and tire weight
In-Reply-To: <764B249C1799496685E0198ADD84025E@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <20110127161026.J143F.825312.imail@eastrmwml42>

Hey, guys:

Just a quick question.  Does anybody out there know what the approximate weight would be of on LAT-70 wheel with a tire mounted on it?  Just a ballpark will do.

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740 

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 27 14:25:55 2011
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C6892E988ED14F908A4A38AADFF47983@ronpc1>
References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40D4EA71D@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
	<C6892E988ED14F908A4A38AADFF47983@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <D8DE43C1D0FD4192A7CC3D2EB48583F6@owner9967ddf8c>

	Mk II heads are the C6OE-M casting; this head has an extra lobe of
material at the exhaust ports that could be machined for the air injectors.
The Mk II heads have the lobe but are not machined and these heads would
have press in studs.   This is not the same head casting used on the HiPo
engine.

The 1966 HiPo heads were the same as the 1965 model; they have none of the
above extra material at the exhaust ports.

Ron Fraser

Ron,  I ported my old heads using the gasket as a template and removed the
lob you mentioned.  I was told Ford cast it that way as a way to further
vaporize fuel since Fuel Injection was not yet common.  Two questions for
you?  Is this a plausible reason?  Could it be an early performance
enhancement?  Robin Young

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Jan 27 14:28:56 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:28:56 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] WTB CAT Club Headers
In-Reply-To: <C6892E988ED14F908A4A38AADFF47983@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <20110127212856.TLRG9.17738.root@hrndva-web10-z02>

Shot in the dark here.  I know they are available from CAT new but......

Does anyone have CAT Club headers (in excellent condition) for sale?  I will need a set in the next couple of months.  I am trying to maintain access to my bedroom with the 347 budget....if ya know what I mean.

TIA!

Duke
B382002037

From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 27 15:11:33 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:11:33 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?More_cubes_for_Tiger?=
Message-ID: <20110127221109.49663187657@autox.team.net>

Don't forget the 260 mustangs. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Gary" <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 13:26
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
To: <atwittsend at verizon.net>, <tigers at autox.team.net>, "Scott Hutchinson" <shutchin at netjets.com>

I agree with Scott's assessment. I think we're all talking about an inventory
issue here. Although Ford may have quit making 260s at some point in time, it
may have taken years to ship them all and have them installed. And Ford would
want to get rid of them all out of their inventory, before offering the 289 as
a substitute. It is typical for companies to announce new products long before
they are made available to the general public. In this case the "new and
improved" 289 was first given to race organizations to maximize Ford's
publicity. Then the bean counters said, "Hey, make sure you get rid of these
old 260s. Remember Rootes still has a contract with us."
 
You could still find 260s in Fairlanes, Falcons, Rancheros and Comets in '65
and '66 until they ran out of them.
 
My 2 cents



--- On Thu, 1/27/11, Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com> wrote:


From: Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
To: atwittsend at verizon.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 10:43 AM


I imagine a deal was made sometime in the early sixties based on a prototype.

The prototype had a 260. Somebody very high up at Ford said 'you can have
7,000 some odd 260s for x dollars/pounds'. If the subject even came up about
the 289 then the person at Ford said well that will be x+ dollars/pounds.

The leader/decision maker at Rootes, who may have driven the prototype and
found the performance adequate, said the 260 will be fine.

Contracts were written and a bunch of 260s were cranked out and put on a boat.

When the number of cars exceeded the number of engines a phone call was made
to whomever was the sales contact at Ford and more were requested.

Ford said, 'we don't make that anymore. But you can have a derivative that is
better.'

And so goes the story.

I do have one question for you lucky Tiger Mk II owners.  Does the 289 in a Mk
II have screw in rocker studs?  I had heard this was an upgrade that was
requested due to some unfortunate events surrounding high rpms.

Stuck in the snow in New England with an Old Tiger in the garage.



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From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 27 15:11:43 2011
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:11:43 -0600
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Or, maybe he just intends to drive it. 
Until we are artificially proscribed from using gasoline. 

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Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 13:12
Subject: [Tigers] For $22,000, Tiger, Tiger, Burning Bright
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

If you read down to the posts you will find this naive comment:

"The fact that it might be an Alpine with a V8 does not detract from the value in my opinion." _______________________________________________
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 27 15:11:55 2011
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I suspect the big reason was money.  Rootes didn't have any.

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----- Reply message -----
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 13:50
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
To: "'Thomas Witt'" <atwittsend at verizon.net>, <tigers at autox.team.net>

Tom
	According to Bob Mannel's book; Ford last cast the 260 block July
1965 and assembled the last 260 engines in the fall of 1965 which is the
1966 Ford model year.  These 260 blocks are the ones painted blue and there
is a good chance that the majority of these engines went to Rootes.

	The exact reason why Rootes stayed with the 260, we may never know;
someday all the Rootes and Ford documentation about the 260 maybe found.
The big problem is finding all the information.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:48 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger


It seems very interesting that the 289 was available (at least to Ford) in
the 1963 model year, yet Rootes did not use the 289 until their 1967 model
year.   To my knowledge the 260 stopped being used after the 1964 model year

(a few 1964-1/2 Mustangs were built with 260's supposedly to exhaust the
existing supply). I have Ray Miller's definitive book "Falcon" and he
indicates that in the 1965 model year only the 289 was available.

The 1965 Falcon and the 1965 Tiger were introduced at about the same time
and in their line up (Ford's) the 289 was the only small block V-8 Ford
offered. So, that leaves one to ponder why the 260 was used by Rootes two
years beyond Ford's production car use. And for that matter why they didn't
opt to, or were allowed to use the 289 in their race cars.

While there has been much reasonable speculation two things remain clear.
The 289 had already been in production through two (some may say one and a
half) model years before the first Tigers were sold.  And while Ford had
ceased using the 260, Rootes used the 260 for two additional model years
after Ford had stopped.

 I think the 1966 model Tigers with 260's are the "head scratcher."   But
anyway, it all makes for good Tiger chat and I always glean something from
the discussions.

Tom Witt ("Monday morning quarterbacking" the 260/289 issue)


Subject: Re: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger


> It's too easy to speculate about all of this.  We don't know the
> correct answers and apparently no one asked the people who do know for
> a first hand account.
>
> According to Bob Mannel's book:
> The 289 was first cast in Dec 1962; this is part of the 1963 Ford
> model
> year
> The Fairlane 289 HiPo was introduced in Dec 1962
>
> I believe both of these engines were still in the development stage;
> some of the internal parts were not up to racing standards.  I believe
> it took most of the next year to sort things out but it is not totally
> clear when these improvements actually happened.
>
> I also believe that FoMoCo was calling the shots about who got which

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 16:42:07 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:42:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] WTB CAT Club Headers
In-Reply-To: <20110127212856.TLRG9.17738.root@hrndva-web10-z02>
Message-ID: <419943.15932.qm@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

not exactly what you are looking for, but i have an old set of the LAT
73 side-out headers that i need to clean out of the garage, didnt use on my
resto.  i have no way of telling if they are original or not, but they do look
just like the pic in the book of norm.  let me know if interested.
 
peter


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From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Subject: [Tigers] WTB CAT Club Headers
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 4:28 PM


Shot in the dark here.  I know they are available from CAT new but......

Does anyone have CAT Club headers (in excellent condition) for sale?  I will
need a set in the next couple of months.  I am trying to maintain access to my
bedroom with the 347 budget....if ya know what I mean.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 27 17:31:32 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:31:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <D8DE43C1D0FD4192A7CC3D2EB48583F6@owner9967ddf8c>
Message-ID: <24440C08764748F3B5CC5CC73BB9EE07@ronpc1>

Robin
	This was early smog control.  Ford used the thermactor emission
control system or T/E.  An air pump was used to pump air into each exhaust
port.  Later heads have an internal passage for the air.

Ron Fraser

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:26 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger




	Mk II heads are the C6OE-M casting; this head has an extra lobe of
material at the exhaust ports that could be machined for the air injectors.
The Mk II heads have the lobe but are not machined and these heads would
have press in studs.   This is not the same head casting used on the HiPo
engine.

The 1966 HiPo heads were the same as the 1965 model; they have none of the
above extra material at the exhaust ports.

Ron Fraser

Ron,  I ported my old heads using the gasket as a template and removed the
lob you mentioned.  I was told Ford cast it that way as a way to further
vaporize fuel since Fuel Injection was not yet common.  Two questions for
you?  Is this a plausible reason?  Could it be an early performance
enhancement?  Robin Young

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From rande at thecia.net  Thu Jan 27 18:20:25 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:20:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes
Message-ID: <4d4219d9.5d6f.0@thecia.net>

"You could still find 260s in Fairlanes, Falcons, Rancheros and Comets in '65

and '66 until they ran out of them."


If this was the case, I don't know how Ford/Mercury marketed them. According
to the aforementioned series of books by Ray Miller(separate tomes for Falcon,
Mustang, Thunderbird - all excellent sources), as well as the factory sales
folders for the 1965 and 1966 models, the 260 certainly was not listed for these
model years.
Leaving out the Thunderbird which didn't use small block Ford motors, the Falcon
of 1965 offered the option of the 289-2V 200hp motor, the 1965 Ranchero and
Sedan Delivery(essentially Falcons) offered the option of the 2V or 4V (225hp)
289, Mustang, post August 1964 offered three different 289's: 2V 200hp, 4V 225hp,
and the famous 'K' version with 271hp. The bigger 1966 Falcon/Ranchero made
due with just the 200hp version of the 289 as an option. 1966 Mustang carried
over all three versions of the 1965 offerings.

I don't have every single piece of Ford marketing literature for the 1960's,
but the only time I remember Ford or Mercury reversing their listed specs was
for the 1968 Cougar which started using the 302 2V for the base engine. Sometime
after the color brochure was distributed, they issued a single sheet correction,
and one of the corrections was that just the base Cougar would now come standard
with a 195hp 289-2V.

The other question is: If Ford really was overstocked with 260's after issuing
289's for production in their own 1965 cars, did they fill subsequent Rootes
orders with the overstock, or really  order the Industrial division to make
a separate batch just for Rootes? 

From jim at island.net  Thu Jan 27 18:42:02 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:42:02 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes
In-Reply-To: <4d4219d9.5d6f.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d4219d9.5d6f.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <021f01cbbe8c$904793e0$b0d6bba0$@net>

A little bit off the topic but my dad bought a new '68 Falcon Futura sports
coupe with a 289 2v.... he also had a brochure for that model and it listed
2 v8 options... the 289 2v and the 302 4v ... can't recall the HP ratings.
 I wonder if the Mustang or others of that year listed the 2 different cu.
In. v8's ??

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of rande
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:20 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes

"You could still find 260s in Fairlanes, Falcons, Rancheros and Comets in
'65

and '66 until they ran out of them."


If this was the case, I don't know how Ford/Mercury marketed them. According
to the aforementioned series of books by Ray Miller(separate tomes for
Falcon,
Mustang, Thunderbird - all excellent sources), as well as the factory sales
folders for the 1965 and 1966 models, the 260 certainly was not listed for
these
model years.
Leaving out the Thunderbird which didn't use small block Ford motors, the
Falcon
of 1965 offered the option of the 289-2V 200hp motor, the 1965 Ranchero and
Sedan Delivery(essentially Falcons) offered the option of the 2V or 4V
(225hp)
289, Mustang, post August 1964 offered three different 289's: 2V 200hp, 4V
225hp,
and the famous 'K' version with 271hp. The bigger 1966 Falcon/Ranchero made
due with just the 200hp version of the 289 as an option. 1966 Mustang
carried
over all three versions of the 1965 offerings.

I don't have every single piece of Ford marketing literature for the 1960's,
but the only time I remember Ford or Mercury reversing their listed specs
was
for the 1968 Cougar which started using the 302 2V for the base engine.
Sometime
after the color brochure was distributed, they issued a single sheet
correction,
and one of the corrections was that just the base Cougar would now come
standard
with a 195hp 289-2V.

The other question is: If Ford really was overstocked with 260's after
issuing
289's for production in their own 1965 cars, did they fill subsequent Rootes
orders with the overstock, or really  order the Industrial division to make
a separate batch just for Rootes? 
_______________________________________________

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Thu Jan 27 19:59:33 2011
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:59:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes
In-Reply-To: <021f01cbbe8c$904793e0$b0d6bba0$@net>
Message-ID: <000001cbbe97$64192620$6601a8c0@Brennan>

I thought I read somewhere that the 260's in Ford vehicles were a
different block from the Tiger 260s.  A different design, with the
number of freeze plugs  and the thin wall casting design being  obvious
differences.  This would make it unlikely that 260s left over from car
production were shipped to Rootes.

Stu

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Thu Jan 27 20:35:03 2011
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:35:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes
In-Reply-To: <000001cbbe97$64192620$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <021f01cbbe8c$904793e0$b0d6bba0$@net>
	<000001cbbe97$64192620$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554458560F44@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

The 260 motors Rootes received are reported to have come from the Industrial
Division of Ford (fact).  It is reported that after Lord Rootes drove the
Shelby 260 V-8 Alpine he called Henry Ford II to inquire about the
availability of the 260 V-8.  Lord Rootes or others in the employ of the
Rootes Group in England probably had no idea a 289 was planned or existed and
probably asked about 260 V-8's specifically.  It has also been reported that
Lee Iacocca (sp?) was not the least bit excited about Ford providing engines
for a car that may have become a potential sales rival for the upcoming
Mustang and may have steered the sale of the 260 for the Tiger.

As for the LeMans Tigers, I recall reading that the Rootes Competition
Department either requested or was ordered to use the 260 in the LeMans cars
due to their use in the production cars and they wanted the same displacement.
Or perhaps they were not homologated with the FIA to use the 289.


More speculation, enjoy!


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:00 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] more cubes

I thought I read somewhere that the 260's in Ford vehicles were a
different block from the Tiger 260s.  A different design, with the
number of freeze plugs  and the thin wall casting design being  obvious
differences.  This would make it unlikely that 260s left over from car
production were shipped to Rootes.

Stu

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 27 21:00:49 2011
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:00:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger:Originality
References: <mailman.7824.1296150488.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<1C23F99E-3358-45C4-B891-7D516F0D9405@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5F7B017985094B9796E74CD48205C9A8@yourze8cxvr8tt>

the early series 4 alpines( the basis for mk1 tigers ) used the chrome knob 
heater controls. later in the production of the series 4 rootes switched to 
a full syncro trans along with several other changes including going to the 
controls with the black knobs.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Stithem" <mai65tai at sonic.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger:Originality


> My early Tiger--Black Dash #254 came with the chrome ball heater & vent
> controls. It also had a dash Blower switch. Although the "Chrome Ball" 
> control
> had the wiring for the push-pull blower motor, the wires were cut close to 
> the
> control.
> I can only assume that Rootes used the Alpine controls in the early Tigers 
> but
> didn't hook them up with wiring, choosing to use the dash Blower switch
> instead.
>
> John Stithem
>
>
>>
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:01:10 -0500
>> From: Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover Tiger: Originality
>> To: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>, Beamclub TIGER
>> <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Message-ID: <1F5554D3-F7C9-438F-B990-8EC4ABD6AFDF at att.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> There is a blower switch near the wipers.
>>
>> I suppose the lever with a chrome ball "could" have snapped and been
> replaced
>> with
>> a different style but that seems unlikely - it would have to have 
>> happened
>> pre-1982 and be due to
>> something besides rust as the car went into storage in '82 and has little
>> rust.
>>
>> The lever with the chrome ball is the one for Off etc.  Cold, Warm, Hot 
>> has
>> the plastic knob lever.
>>
>> On the other hand, if no others have this arrangement, it is less likely
> that
>> one car was prepared
>> differently and could indicate a repair was made using mis-matching 
>> levers.
>>
>> My Series IV Alpine is very early and has some Series 3 items such as 
>> round
>> dash lights (ignition, blinker,
>> high/low beam, OD) but they are complete - not mismatched like the Tiger
> round
>> and square parts and
>> conceivably the heater levers, but they do point to Rootes' use of parts
> from
>> prior models for
>> crossover cars.
>>
>> If I decide to make the levers match -- I suppose the "correct" lever 
>> would
> be
>> the one with a plastic knob?
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> MK1-a Tiger
>> SIV Alpine
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:07 PM, michael king wrote:
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 27 22:23:29 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:23:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes
In-Reply-To: <000001cbbe97$64192620$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <CB0AAA08E4BD40EFA887BE29D6841AB1@ronpc1>

Stu
	Jan 1963, Ford changed the design of the 221 and 260 block to
conform with the 289's 7" mount pattern and the 3 freeze plugs on both
sides.  The 260 casting # for this block is C3OE-6015-B.  I believe this is
the early block used for the Tiger.   Around July 1963 the 260 casting #
became C4OE-6015-B and then in May 1964 the casting # became C4OE-6015-E
which continued in production until the fall of 1965.

	I believe the C4OE-6015-E block is the most common 260 Tiger engine
casting number.  I know this is the casting # on my F21KA group engine.

	The difference between the Tiger engine and the Ford vehicles,
besides all the Tiger specific parts, is that all the Tiger engines have the
PCV closed emission system.   Some Ford vehicles still used a road draft
tube system.  The PCV system is much better than the road draft tube system.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:00 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] more cubes


I thought I read somewhere that the 260's in Ford vehicles were a different
block from the Tiger 260s.  A different design, with the number of freeze
plugs  and the thin wall casting design being  obvious differences.  This
would make it unlikely that 260s left over from car production were shipped
to Rootes.

Stu
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 27 22:46:43 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes
In-Reply-To: <021f01cbbe8c$904793e0$b0d6bba0$@net>
Message-ID: <A61DCE0C25114F799AE16920F961820D@ronpc1>

Jim
	1968 Ford was producing 289 engines at the Windsor plant and 302
engines at the Cleveland plant.  This is also the year the Windsor plant
transitioned from the 289 engine to the 351 engine.

The 289 2v @ 195 HP.
The 302 2v @ 210 HP
The 302 4v @ 230 HP

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of jim
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:42 PM
To: rande at thecia.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] more cubes


A little bit off the topic but my dad bought a new '68 Falcon Futura sports
coupe with a 289 2v.... he also had a brochure for that model and it listed
2 v8 options... the 289 2v and the 302 4v ... can't recall the HP ratings.
I wonder if the Mustang or others of that year listed the 2 different cu.
In. v8's ??

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of rande
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:20 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes

"You could still find 260s in Fairlanes, Falcons, Rancheros and Comets in
'65

and '66 until they ran out of them."


If this was the case, I don't know how Ford/Mercury marketed them. According
to the aforementioned series of books by Ray Miller(separate tomes for
Falcon, Mustang, Thunderbird - all excellent sources), as well as the
factory sales folders for the 1965 and 1966 models, the 260 certainly was
not listed for these model years. Leaving out the Thunderbird which didn't
use small block Ford motors, the Falcon of 1965 offered the option of the
289-2V 200hp motor, the 1965 Ranchero and Sedan Delivery(essentially
Falcons) offered the option of the 2V or 4V
(225hp)
289, Mustang, post August 1964 offered three different 289's: 2V 200hp, 4V
225hp, and the famous 'K' version with 271hp. The bigger 1966
Falcon/Ranchero made due with just the 200hp version of the 289 as an
option. 1966 Mustang carried over all three versions of the 1965 offerings.

I don't have every single piece of Ford marketing literature for the 1960's,
but the only time I remember Ford or Mercury reversing their listed specs
was for the 1968 Cougar which started using the 302 2V for the base engine.
Sometime after the color brochure was distributed, they issued a single
sheet correction, and one of the corrections was that just the base Cougar
would now come standard with a 195hp 289-2V.

The other question is: If Ford really was overstocked with 260's after
issuing 289's for production in their own 1965 cars, did they fill
subsequent Rootes orders with the overstock, or really  order the Industrial
division to make a separate batch just for Rootes?
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Fri Jan 28 07:23:21 2011
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] cobra 260
Message-ID: <000b01cbbef6$eb3914d0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

I hope you know or haven't forgotten that the first 35 0r 36 cobras were
260's,  Clyde

From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Jan 28 08:58:54 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:58:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wheel and tire weight
In-Reply-To: <20110127161026.J143F.825312.imail@eastrmwml42>
Message-ID: <20110128105854.UF7K1.829803.imail@eastrmwml45>

Thanks to all who have offered to help.  I got my answer from Jerry Porsch so, Jerry, thanks a ton!!!  

Hope everyone has a great weekend,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

---- awtiger at cox.net wrote: 
> Hey, guys:
> 
> Just a quick question.  Does anybody out there know what the approximate weight would be of on LAT-70 wheel with a tire mounted on it?  Just a ballpark will do.
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jan 28 09:38:58 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:38:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] cobra 260
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Clyde
	Some accounts of the story state that the first engine Shelby put
into a Cobra body was the 221.   This may only be the first Cobras tested in
England.   The production Cobra were fitted with the 260 engine until Ford
released the 289 to Shelby.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:23 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] cobra 260


I hope you know or haven't forgotten that the first 35 0r 36 cobras were
260's,  Clyde _______________________________________________
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From MACHWIL at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 10:45:37 2011
From: MACHWIL at aol.com (MACHWIL at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:45:37 EST
Subject: [Tigers] cobra 260
Message-ID: <43cde.29bf4f1.3a745ac1@aol.com>

Ron,
 
My Cobra is 2046. It was a 260 engine car  but when I got it  a  289. 
Bought from Lynn Park. I've been told the change came about  #2075.
Many were changed for the customers by Shelby for a nominal amount. 
 
Bud Williams
2046
0490
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2011 9:06:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:

Clyde
Some accounts of the story state that the first  engine Shelby put
into a Cobra body was the 221.   This may only  be the first Cobras tested 
in
England.   The production Cobra  were fitted with the 260 engine until Ford
released the 289 to  Shelby.

Ron Fraser

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On  Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:23 AM
To:  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] cobra 260


I hope you  know or haven't forgotten that the first 35 0r 36 cobras were
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From robin02 at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 28 11:22:23 2011
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
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Robin
	This was early smog control.  Ford used the thermactor emission
control system or T/E.  An air pump was used to pump air into each exhaust
port.  Later heads have an internal passage for the air.

Ron Fraser

Thank you Ron;  Is it then advisable to remove the lob from the heads when
the heads are machined.  I added the hardened seats, screw in studs and
completely ported the heads.  Was removing the lob the right thing to do for
efficiency and power?  RObin

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jan 28 11:39:52 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:39:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger
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Robin
	Everything I have read states that removing the lobe should increase
flow.  You really can not determine if there is a difference unless you have
the heads flow tested in steps as that lobe is removed.  I don't have any
flow charts for heads vs. their casting number.

	My thoughts are that unless you are building an all out race engine
that removing the lobes is probably a waste of money.   I'm also no expert
on this subject so the machine shop should be best qualified here.

Ron Fraser


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Subject: RE: [Tigers] More cubes for Tiger




Robin
	This was early smog control.  Ford used the thermactor emission
control system or T/E.  An air pump was used to pump air into each exhaust
port.  Later heads have an internal passage for the air.

Ron Fraser

Thank you Ron;  Is it then advisable to remove the lob from the heads when
the heads are machined.  I added the hardened seats, screw in studs and
completely ported the heads.  Was removing the lob the right thing to do for
efficiency and power?  RObin

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From barncobob at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 11:53:52 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:53:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mecum auction
Message-ID: <8CD8D33D75469E0-AC0-1407@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

does anyone know the time (EST) that the Tiger is supposed to go across the
block so that I dont have to watch that circus all day.

From milward at roadrunner.com  Fri Jan 28 13:09:46 2011
From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:09:46 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Homologation
Message-ID: <961AF20BB6544FDF824911205D590CA2@BillPC>

According to the FIA recognition forms (1964 # 176, 1965 #211,1966 #509) only
the 260 was approved (1.524 mm rebore acceptable) and the MK2 was never
mentioned.

From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 14:28:57 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:28:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mecum auction
Message-ID: <88cda.5c255188.3a748f19@aol.com>

I thought it was about 1/2 way down the list and I think they start at  
10:00AM
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2011 2:21:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
barncobob at aol.com writes:

does  anyone know the time (EST) that the Tiger is supposed to go across  
the
block so that I dont have to watch that circus all  day.
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Fri Jan 28 16:29:13 2011
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:29:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
Message-ID: <000c01cbbf43$2d09eb90$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde

From jaars at emailmv.com  Fri Jan 28 16:59:24 2011
From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:59:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sun Tach
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7900.1296178978.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <B51909822D7B4ECF9CA14D3233CEF5AE@userqlmt4f4s6s>

Another shot in the dark: Does anyone have the Sun tach for sale, the
one which was part of the LAT option? Please email me off list.
Some 20 years ago, when I didn't know much about this and the TBON was
not out yet, I sold mine for next to nothing. Now I wouldn't mind one
back again in my dash.
Robert

From MACHWIL at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 17:32:41 2011
From: MACHWIL at aol.com (MACHWIL at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:32:41 EST
Subject: [Tigers] cobra 260
Message-ID: <5a0b6.591ee24f.3a74ba29@aol.com>

Roland,
 
Yes, I have that tape. Ron was a good friend of mine but I've lost track of 
 him.You were referring to the Armour Productions tape weren't you?
 
My Cobra is much changed since then. Do I know you or what part of the  
country you are located? Forgive me, but my memory isn't what it once was. It  
would be nice to get a parallel tape made similar to the original one.
 
Take care and I'll be talking? to you. 
 
Bud
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2011 1:35:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
csx2282 at sonic.net writes:

Bud,

According to the SAAC's Cobra registry the first 75 cars  (76 counting the
CSX2000 prototype) came with HiPo 260s.  Many were  changed over to 289s,
even some to 302s and?  But my understanding is  that this has reversed to 
some extent in
recent years as more owners  have opted for originality.  In the late '60s
and early '70s 260  Cobras tended to sell for a lot less than 289s, but
that's generally no  longer the case.

A lot of big block street Cobra owners switched the  428 engines that
originally came in some of their cars to 427s, but I don't  think there has
been much of a reversal of that.

By the way, do you  have a copy of this video that I believe features your 
car?  I bought  the VCR tape back in the  '90s.

Roland
CSX2282
________________________________________________________________________
From:  MACHWIL at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] cobra 260
To:  rfraser at bluefrog.com

Ron,

My Cobra is 2046. It was a 260 engine  car  but when I got it  a  289.
Bought from Lynn Park. I've  been told the change came about  #2075.
Many were changed for the  customers by Shelby for a nominal amount.

Bud  Williams
2046
0490

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 17:47:38 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:47:38 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Homologation
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Message-ID: <AANLkTin4LjibLGSKNeDWGjNBPv6m4EO=qroCYPPwvjKv@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

Rootes only ever homologated the Tiger with the FIA to run with the 260. All
the factory rally and even the LM Tigers were 260's. The only factory car in
period i know of that competed with the 289 was the works rally Tiger that
was entered privately on the Targa Florio, this car also ran a fibreglass
bonnet and boot and modified front valence.

However because of the engine and body mods they made it run in the
prototype class. So i doubt that in FIA competition you can run a 289 in a
tiger, Im quite sure that is the issue FIA racers face in the UK and EU.
Maybe speak to the guys who run in SCCA, i think they are able to run the
289's, the production sports class here in AU is very restrictive, but they
let tigers run with 289's as they dont see much difference between the
MKI/II so basically if you run as a 289 they use the MKII specs as the
guideline, which means you use the wide ratio box and an altenator.

On 29 January 2011 07:09, Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories <
milward at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> According to the FIA recognition forms (1964 # 176, 1965 #211,1966 #509)
> only
> the 260 was approved (1.524 mm rebore acceptable) and the MK2 was never
> mentioned.
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From Carmods at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 07:13:23 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:13:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Homologation
Message-ID: <771f.557c7eff.3a757a83@aol.com>

The  Tigers of Tom Patton and Barry Schonberger are classified by SCCA as
GT2. The  specific SCCA GT2 rules that they must conform to are  as follows;
bThe  GT Category is intended to provide the membership and interested
manufacturers  with the opportunity to compete in purpose built, highly
modified
replicas of  series produced automobiles. To that end, cars shall be
classified in GT Classes  based on their competitive potential. The Club may
alter
or adjust  specifications and require, permit, or restrict certain specific
components to  equate competitive potential.b


Body   2 door, RWD Driveline,  86.0 in wheelbase, Windshield  may be
removed and a low front hoop roll cage may be fitted.
B7          Engine  SUNBEAM Type OHV with Bore x Stroke 101.6 x 72.9 mm
Disp. 4728 cc Iron,
Fuel  Induction Stock  Sunbeam Tiger Manifold only C30 FAB, C30F-9510E,
C40F-9519-1E. Holley  P/N0-80507-1(390 CFM) measured on  unrestricted
manifold.
A restrictor plate between the carburetor  and plenum is mandatory for cars
running the 390cfm carburetor: 0.060b flat  steel or aluminum plate with
four (4) 1 1/16b holes.
B7          Block Ford Motorsport (P/N M-6010-A50  & M-6010-B50) are
allowed.
B7          Cylinder Heads  Crossflow with 2 Valves/ Cyl. Any Ford 260, 289,
or  302 Windsor V-8 cast-iron production cylinder head.
Weight  2280 lbs
B7         Competitor shall be able to provide documentation  from the
manufacturer identifying application(s), displacement, engine family,  and
casting identification.
There         There are no LAT options allowed and the splitter and rear
wing that is allowed  are made         available to all GT2  competitors.
             John Logan

From jimmc13 at hughes.net  Sat Jan 29 08:18:13 2011
From: jimmc13 at hughes.net (Jim)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:18:13 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554458560F44@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
References: <021f01cbbe8c$904793e0$b0d6bba0$@net><000001cbbe97$64192620$6601a8c0@Brennan>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554458560F44@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <E1029E645A5E4013859938C851A2351C@RedBudAdminPC>

I have been quietly reading the information of how Rootes came to obtain
Ford engines for the Tiger project.  I have reviewed Taylors book because I
remembered that he had collected some data from Ford, Rootes, and Jenson.
At any rate, Lee Iacocca did not want the Tiger to be able to compete with
the Mustang, 1964 and 1/2, although some of them came with the 260 engine
early on.  Check out pages 48 through 57 for some older details about the
arrangements for 300 units per month at approx $600 each.  Once again,
readers would have to believe the research efforts of Taylor.


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:35 PM
To: Stu Brennan; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] more cubes

The 260 motors Rootes received are reported to have come from the Industrial
Division of Ford (fact).  It is reported that after Lord Rootes drove the
Shelby 260 V-8 Alpine he called Henry Ford II to inquire about the
availability of the 260 V-8.  Lord Rootes or others in the employ of the
Rootes Group in England probably had no idea a 289 was planned or existed
and
probably asked about 260 V-8's specifically.  It has also been reported that
Lee Iacocca (sp?) was not the least bit excited about Ford providing engines
for a car that may have become a potential sales rival for the upcoming
Mustang and may have steered the sale of the 260 for the Tiger.

As for the LeMans Tigers, I recall reading that the Rootes Competition
Department either requested or was ordered to use the 260 in the LeMans cars
due to their use in the production cars and they wanted the same
displacement.
Or perhaps they were not homologated with the FIA to use the 289.


More speculation, enjoy!


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
Behalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:00 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] more cubes

I thought I read somewhere that the 260's in Ford vehicles were a
different block from the Tiger 260s.  A different design, with the
number of freeze plugs  and the thin wall casting design being  obvious
differences.  This would make it unlikely that 260s left over from car
production were shipped to Rootes.

Stu
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From tym2 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 29 09:29:52 2011
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:29:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
Message-ID: <87949260.2106996.1296318592879.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Tigers, 


As I look outside and see more than 38" of snow, I'm thinking about projects for the Tiger. As all of you know, the work is never done. 
I am preparing to install new seats as well as an electronic speedometer to go along with the change to the T5. 


Since I did my car the rear end height is a couple of inches lower than I would like it to be. If no one has a better idea I will probably just fabricate some shackles that are longer to fit my needs. When I did the car I used modified springs to cure wheel hop (I got them from either Dale or Doug Jennings). The springs certainly cured 
the wheel hop. The car now hooks up very nicely. Keeping it on the ground and going straight is another story! 


Any advice or help would be appreciated regarding raising the rear end a few inches. 


Thanks in advance. 


Tym McDowell 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sat Jan 29 10:03:07 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:03:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
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A couple of inches? Just for interest's sake, what wheel/tire combination are
you running and what is the height above the pavement of the top of the rear
wheel arch?

Just this summer I increased the spacer thickness between the rear springs and
the axle to lower the rear of the car another inch, and that went a long way
towards curing understeer tendencies of the car. I have (I think) CAT springs
and old Koni shocks in the rear. Front is Aldan single adjustable coilover
shocks with 450 pound-per-inch springs.

Cheers (and sympathy - we got about six inches of snow overnight),
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tym2 at comcast.net
> Sent: January 29, 2011 9:30 AM
> To: Tiger's List
> Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
>
> Tigers,
>
>
> As I look outside and see more than 38" of snow, I'm thinking about
> projects for the Tiger. As all of you know, the work is never done.
> I am preparing to install new seats as well as an electronic
> speedometer to go along with the change to the T5.
>
>
> Since I did my car the rear end height is a couple of inches lower than
> I would like it to be. If no one has a better idea I will probably just
> fabricate some shackles that are longer to fit my needs. When I did the
> car I used modified springs to cure wheel hop (I got them from either
> Dale or Doug Jennings). The springs certainly cured
> the wheel hop. The car now hooks up very nicely. Keeping it on the
> ground and going straight is another story!
>
>
> Any advice or help would be appreciated regarding raising the rear end
> a few inches.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Tym McDowell
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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 29 10:46:41 2011
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
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	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2BE9E3D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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use the old trick from the seventies. install air shocks.
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To: <tym2 at comcast.net>; "Tiger's List" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear end height


>A couple of inches? Just for interest's sake, what wheel/tire combination 
>are
> you running and what is the height above the pavement of the top of the 
> rear
> wheel arch?
>
> Just this summer I increased the spacer thickness between the rear springs 
> and
> the axle to lower the rear of the car another inch, and that went a long 
> way
> towards curing understeer tendencies of the car. I have (I think) CAT 
> springs
> and old Koni shocks in the rear. Front is Aldan single adjustable coilover
> shocks with 450 pound-per-inch springs.
>
> Cheers (and sympathy - we got about six inches of snow overnight),
> Theo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tym2 at comcast.net
>> Sent: January 29, 2011 9:30 AM
>> To: Tiger's List
>> Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
>>
>> Tigers,
>>
>>
>> As I look outside and see more than 38" of snow, I'm thinking about
>> projects for the Tiger. As all of you know, the work is never done.
>> I am preparing to install new seats as well as an electronic
>> speedometer to go along with the change to the T5.
>>
>>
>> Since I did my car the rear end height is a couple of inches lower than
>> I would like it to be. If no one has a better idea I will probably just
>> fabricate some shackles that are longer to fit my needs. When I did the
>> car I used modified springs to cure wheel hop (I got them from either
>> Dale or Doug Jennings). The springs certainly cured
>> the wheel hop. The car now hooks up very nicely. Keeping it on the
>> ground and going straight is another story!
>>
>>
>> Any advice or help would be appreciated regarding raising the rear end
>> a few inches.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> Tym McDowell
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From tgrrr at meadowcrk.com  Sat Jan 29 11:55:24 2011
From: tgrrr at meadowcrk.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:55:24 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
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Longer shackles will also help to eliminate some roll steer as detailed by 
Fred Puhn in his old book "How to Make Your Car Handle".


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Subject: [Tigers] rear end height


> Tigers,
>
>
> As I look outside and see more than 38" of snow, I'm thinking about 
> projects for the Tiger. As all of you know, the work is never done.
> I am preparing to install new seats as well as an electronic speedometer 
> to go along with the change to the T5.
>
>
> Since I did my car the rear end height is a couple of inches lower than I 
> would like it to be. If no one has a better idea I will probably just 
> fabricate some shackles that are longer to fit my needs. When I did the 
> car I used modified springs to cure wheel hop (I got them from either Dale 
> or Doug Jennings). The springs certainly cured
> the wheel hop. The car now hooks up very nicely. Keeping it on the ground 
> and going straight is another story!
>
>
> Any advice or help would be appreciated regarding raising the rear end a 
> few inches.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Tym McDowell

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 29 12:40:25 2011
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:40:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
Message-ID: <288037572.72152.1296330025945.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? there is a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't check my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re 

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jan 29 13:13:52 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:13:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
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George
	There are 3 on my Tiger.  One for each air vent drain and one for
the heater core drain.
Ron Fraser

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Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:40 PM
To: Tigers
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?


Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? there is
a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't check
my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 14:20:38 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:20:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] WOW Tiger Sale
Message-ID: <129995.17bdb909.3a75dea6@aol.com>

The Tiger at the Kissimmee, FL auction went for $80K.  Mecum Auctions  
normally don't bring the big prices like BJ so this is really surprising.
Mark

From barncobob at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 14:28:12 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:28:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
Message-ID: <8CD8E1290ED7D2A-1FDC-17B67@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com>

car went for $80,000. Ouch, thats alot of money.

From jim at island.net  Sat Jan 29 15:01:10 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:01:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] WOW Tiger Sale
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I guess that makes the one they sold in Kansas City a couple months back
look like a bargain...!!

It went for $45k

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1210-103887

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:21 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] WOW Tiger Sale

The Tiger at the Kissimmee, FL auction went for $80K.  Mecum Auctions  
normally don't bring the big prices like BJ so this is really surprising.
Mark

From jim at island.net  Sat Jan 29 15:03:03 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:03:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] WOW Tiger Sale
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Oops... edit that last post.. the Kansas City car was bid to $45k but didn't
sell...



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:21 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] WOW Tiger Sale

The Tiger at the Kissimmee, FL auction went for $80K.  Mecum Auctions  
normally don't bring the big prices like BJ so this is really surprising.
Mark

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 15:09:36 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:09:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] WOW Tiger Sale
Message-ID: <12b47c.380eab4e.3a75ea20@aol.com>

Seemed to be extremely active bidding on this car.  It appeared, from  the 
pictures, to be very original. Maybe this tells us what people value.
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2011 5:01:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jim at island.net writes:

I guess  that makes the one they sold in Kansas City a couple months back
look like  a bargain...!!

It went for  $45k

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1210-103887

Jim
B382000446



-----Original  Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent:  Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:21 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject:  [Tigers] WOW Tiger Sale

The Tiger at the Kissimmee, FL auction went for  $80K.  Mecum Auctions  
normally don't bring the big prices like  BJ so this is really  surprising.
Mark

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 29 15:27:16 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:27:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?mecum_tiger_auction?=
Message-ID: <20110129222653.C8C71187657@autox.team.net>

There's a butt for every seat.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
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Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 16:28
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

car went for $80,000. Ouch, thats alot of money.
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 15:56:06 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:56:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
Message-ID: <12cc88.3e13ff21.3a75f506@aol.com>

The day may come where people say, "Man I should have bought one of those  
Tigers when they were only $80,000"  ( sort of the think I say about Shelby  
Mustangs:-)
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2011 5:53:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
spook01 at comcast.net writes:

There's  a butt for every seat.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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To:  <tigers at autox.team.net>

car went for $80,000. Ouch, thats alot of  money.
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 16:45:25 2011
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:45:25 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
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Hmm, I only found one when I took my car apart.  Is there a diagram anywhere
that shows all of the holes in the firewall area and what goes into them?  I
drew a picture when I took my car apart 20 years ago but I am now finding
more holes than what I had on my drawing.

By the way, Rick at Sunbeam Specialties has the duckbills for $9.75.  I
think the ones I saw on E-bay were a lot more.

Thanks,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:14 PM
To: 'George Re'; 'Tigers'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?

George
	There are 3 on my Tiger.  One for each air vent drain and one for
the heater core drain.
Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of George Re
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:40 PM
To: Tigers
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?


Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? there is
a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't check
my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 17:37:28 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:37:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
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The duckbill drains are for condensation from the heater core cavity and
drainage from the passenger compartment intake vents. Early Tigers that do not
have the intake vents only need the one duckbill for the heater. Those Tigers
with intake vents need all three.
 
Gary

--- On Sat, 1/29/11, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, "'George Re'" <mgman71 at comcast.net>, "'Tigers'"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 3:45 PM


Hmm, I only found one when I took my car apart.  Is there a diagram anywhere
that shows all of the holes in the firewall area and what goes into them?  I
drew a picture when I took my car apart 20 years ago but I am now finding
more holes than what I had on my drawing.

By the way, Rick at Sunbeam Specialties has the duckbills for $9.75.  I
think the ones I saw on E-bay were a lot more.

Thanks,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:14 PM
To: 'George Re'; 'Tigers'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?

George
    There are 3 on my Tiger.  One for each air vent drain and one for
the heater core drain.
Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of George Re
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:40 PM
To: Tigers
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?


Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? there is
a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't check
my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re
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From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Sat Jan 29 17:48:04 2011
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] more cubes
References: <021f01cbbe8c$904793e0$b0d6bba0$@net>
	<000001cbbe97$64192620$6601a8c0@Brennan>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554458560F44@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<E1029E645A5E4013859938C851A2351C@RedBudAdminPC>
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Anybody forgeting about the Industrial Engines part of Ford vis a vis the 
260 blocks?

Just asking.


----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] more cubes


>I have been quietly reading the information of how Rootes came to obtain
> Ford engines for the Tiger project.  I have reviewed Taylors book because 
> I
> remembered that he had collected some data from Ford, Rootes, and Jenson.
> At any rate, Lee Iacocca did not want the Tiger to be able to compete with
> the Mustang, 1964 and 1/2, although some of them came with the 260 engine
> early on.  Check out pages 48 through 57 for some older details about the
> arrangements for 300 units per month at approx $600 each.  Once again,
> readers would have to believe the research efforts of Taylor.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:35 PM
> To: Stu Brennan; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] more cubes
>
> The 260 motors Rootes received are reported to have come from the 
> Industrial
> Division of Ford (fact).  It is reported that after Lord Rootes drove the
> Shelby 260 V-8 Alpine he called Henry Ford II to inquire about the
> availability of the 260 V-8.  Lord Rootes or others in the employ of the
> Rootes Group in England probably had no idea a 289 was planned or existed
> and
> probably asked about 260 V-8's specifically.  It has also been reported 
> that
> Lee Iacocca (sp?) was not the least bit excited about Ford providing 
> engines
> for a car that may have become a potential sales rival for the upcoming
> Mustang and may have steered the sale of the 260 for the Tiger.
>
> As for the LeMans Tigers, I recall reading that the Rootes Competition
> Department either requested or was ordered to use the 260 in the LeMans 
> cars
> due to their use in the production cars and they wanted the same
> displacement.
> Or perhaps they were not homologated with the FIA to use the 289.
>
>
> More speculation, enjoy!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Stu Brennan
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:00 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] more cubes
>
> I thought I read somewhere that the 260's in Ford vehicles were a
> different block from the Tiger 260s.  A different design, with the
> number of freeze plugs  and the thin wall casting design being  obvious
> differences.  This would make it unlikely that 260s left over from car
> production were shipped to Rootes.
>
> Stu
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jan 29 18:05:56 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
In-Reply-To: <1412BB820EC6446AA71922B0B5EC191D@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <BFA6676143F2415EB439BFF7752B38DA@ronpc1>

Joe
	No, I don't think anyone has a diagram of the firewall.  The
firewall is basically symmetrical; since they were sold Rt hand drive and Lt
hand drive.   The positions that get used on one side need plugs on the
other.

	The heater core drain is almost in the center.  The air vent drains
are down and over from the vent boxes.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brown [mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:45 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'George Re'; 'Tigers'
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?


Hmm, I only found one when I took my car apart.  Is there a diagram anywhere
that shows all of the holes in the firewall area and what goes into them?  I
drew a picture when I took my car apart 20 years ago but I am now finding
more holes than what I had on my drawing.

By the way, Rick at Sunbeam Specialties has the duckbills for $9.75.  I
think the ones I saw on E-bay were a lot more.

Thanks,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:14 PM
To: 'George Re'; 'Tigers'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?

George
	There are 3 on my Tiger.  One for each air vent drain and one for
the heater core drain. Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of George Re
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:40 PM
To: Tigers
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?


Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? there is
a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't check
my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 18:10:24 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:10:24 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
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Then there is the issur of the big rubber trough that goes under the heater
area..how many cars still have those?

On 30 January 2011 11:37, Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The duckbill drains are for condensation from the heater core cavity and
> drainage from the passenger compartment intake vents. Early Tigers that do
> not
> have the intake vents only need the one duckbill for the heater. Those
> Tigers
> with intake vents need all three.
>
> Gary
>
> --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, "'George Re'" <mgman71 at comcast.net>, "'Tigers'"
> <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 3:45 PM
>
>
> Hmm, I only found one when I took my car apart.  Is there a diagram
> anywhere
> that shows all of the holes in the firewall area and what goes into them?
>  I
> drew a picture when I took my car apart 20 years ago but I am now finding
> more holes than what I had on my drawing.
>
> By the way, Rick at Sunbeam Specialties has the duckbills for $9.75.  I
> think the ones I saw on E-bay were a lot more.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:14 PM
> To: 'George Re'; 'Tigers'
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
>
> George
>    There are 3 on my Tiger.  One for each air vent drain and one for
> the heater core drain.
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of George Re
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:40 PM
> To: Tigers
> Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
>
>
> Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? there
> is
> a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't
> check
> my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re
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From allanballard at att.net  Sat Jan 29 18:14:04 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:14:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
In-Reply-To: <598289.72406.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <598289.72406.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E011F175-22BC-4AD5-8ED3-0350658ADA61@att.net>

I didn't think the duckbill beneath the heater core is available anymore,
except used.

Allan Ballard
Mk1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine


On Jan 29, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Gary wrote:

> The duckbill drains are for condensation from the heater core cavity and
> drainage from the passenger compartment intake vents. Early Tigers that do
not
> have the intake vents only need the one duckbill for the heater. Those
Tigers
> with intake vents need all three.
>
> Gary
>
> --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, "'George Re'" <mgman71 at comcast.net>, "'Tigers'"
> <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 3:45 PM
>
>
> Hmm, I only found one when I took my car apart.  Is there a diagram
anywhere
> that shows all of the holes in the firewall area and what goes into them?
I
> drew a picture when I took my car apart 20 years ago but I am now finding
> more holes than what I had on my drawing.
>
> By the way, Rick at Sunbeam Specialties has the duckbills for $9.75.  I
> think the ones I saw on E-bay were a lot more.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:14 PM
> To: 'George Re'; 'Tigers'
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
>
> George
>    There are 3 on my Tiger.  One for each air vent drain and one for
> the heater core drain.
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of George Re
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:40 PM
> To: Tigers
> Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
>
>
> Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? there
is
> a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't
check
> my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 18:25:18 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:25:18 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=hkkWFhQiBqnv_BvrWQ-ZSSQtCCk24Uu6C1e33@mail.gmail.com>

I didnt realise that the tiger at mercum that has apparently sold for 80K
was this one:

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0111-104372&entryRow=1283


I have no issue witht he price of tigers gogin up etc.. greater value =
better parts supply and support, however i wonder how educated this buyer
was. As i stated in a previous post this car was restored bya  shop and then
they spent the next 2 years trying to sell it (for about 45-50K IIRC) The
resto was OK, many detail errors and many things were just worked over not
done to a high level.

There are also many detail errors on the car and simple things like the way
they have done the hoos covering at the back are wrong. I will try and fid
the resto shots i saved of this car and other details and post them, all i
have to think is some people are jumping on the shelby link and hoping like
the mustangs they will rise in value quicly.. the problem is that if those
buyers are in there pushing the values up artificaly quickly there is a
chance it will damage the long term value of the cars as they may well
crash.

Just my .02c:



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Michael King

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 20:26:15 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:26:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
In-Reply-To: <BD809FB50F6F44F3B8097C10270C3C93@bob>
Message-ID: <311414.96746.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tym- I have no idea what it will do for all the other problems associatd with handling, traction, wheel hop and on and on but Im considering trying a set of air shocks. If anyone else has ever gone this route or knows of any old stories told by previoaus owners I would enjoy hearing the tale and any imput as well
TtT



> > Tigers,
> > 
> > 
> > As I look outside and see more than 38" of snow, I'm
> thinking about projects for the Tiger. As all of you know,
> the work is never done.
> > I am preparing to install new seats as well as an
> electronic speedometer to go along with the change to the
> T5.
> > 
> > 
> > Since I did my car the rear end height is a couple of
> inches lower than I would like it to be. If no one has a
> better idea I will probably just fabricate some shackles
> that are longer to fit my needs. When I did the car I used
> modified springs to cure wheel hop (I got them from either
> Dale or Doug Jennings). The springs certainly cured
> > the wheel hop. The car now hooks up very nicely.
> Keeping it on the ground and going straight is another
> story!
> > 
> > 
> > Any advice or help would be appreciated regarding
> raising the rear end a few inches.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > 
> > Tym McDowell
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From cbowland at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 21:52:50 2011
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:52:50 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Florida Auction
Message-ID: <SNT125-DS164E07A19330A1C3354776DBE30@phx.gbl>

I posted earlier about the black Tiger that evidently sold today for $80,000.

Someone else noted the blue Tiger that sold at Kansas City for $45,000.

If my eyes are not playing tricks the blue one is in the background of the
brochure pictures for the black one. Wonder what is up with that???

Curt Bowland
Chicago

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 22:11:51 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:11:51 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Florida Auction
In-Reply-To: <SNT125-DS164E07A19330A1C3354776DBE30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT125-DS164E07A19330A1C3354776DBE30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7CuYrp0F1LWKvUKPWgnT83USO6_tWaZvAT6RT@mail.gmail.com>

Curt,

I think the blue car was not sold @ 45K recently, maybe its in there for the
next auction, or do they have a park and sell arangement or by offer for
cars that pass in?

On 30 January 2011 15:52, Curt Bowland <cbowland at msn.com> wrote:

> I posted earlier about the black Tiger that evidently sold today for
> $80,000.
>
> Someone else noted the blue Tiger that sold at Kansas City for $45,000.
>
> If my eyes are not playing tricks the blue one is in the background of the
> brochure pictures for the black one. Wonder what is up with that???
>
> Curt Bowland
> Chicago
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From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 23:07:34 2011
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:07:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=hkkWFhQiBqnv_BvrWQ-ZSSQtCCk24Uu6C1e33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=hkkWFhQiBqnv_BvrWQ-ZSSQtCCk24Uu6C1e33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikGt3NAQUkMqMkeeEDavPWT6Vbna2O=hCcRs_-r@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see prices being pushed artificially higher. I see them being pushed
to where they belong given the rarity, the looks, and the higher valuation
of several other 60's era cars. Just my.$.02

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan 30 06:32:30 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:32:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
In-Reply-To: <E011F175-22BC-4AD5-8ED3-0350658ADA61@att.net>
Message-ID: <B51A048B49BA4717A795CB32302D8DBB@ronpc1>

Allan 
	All duckbills are the same part number.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:14 PM
To: Tigers
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?


I didn't think the duckbill beneath the heater core is available anymore,
except used.

Allan Ballard
Mk1-a Tiger
SIV Alpine


On Jan 29, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Gary wrote:

> The duckbill drains are for condensation from the heater core cavity 
> and drainage from the passenger compartment intake vents. Early Tigers 
> that do
not
> have the intake vents only need the one duckbill for the heater. Those
Tigers
> with intake vents need all three.
>
> Gary
>
> --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, "'George Re'" <mgman71 at comcast.net>, 
> "'Tigers'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 3:45 PM
>
>
> Hmm, I only found one when I took my car apart.  Is there a diagram
anywhere
> that shows all of the holes in the firewall area and what goes into 
> them?
I
> drew a picture when I took my car apart 20 years ago but I am now 
> finding more holes than what I had on my drawing.
>
> By the way, Rick at Sunbeam Specialties has the duckbills for $9.75.  
> I think the ones I saw on E-bay were a lot more.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:14 PM
> To: 'George Re'; 'Tigers'
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
>
> George
>    There are 3 on my Tiger.  One for each air vent drain and one for 
> the heater core drain. Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of George Re
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:40 PM
> To: Tigers
> Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
>
>
> Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? 
> there
is
> a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't
check
> my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re 
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 07:34:30 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:34:30 EST
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
Message-ID: <6bc7.1163a636.3a76d0f6@aol.com>

I have a set of Monroe air shocks on my TIger.cost less than 100  bucks. I 
just use them when we go on day tours esp when two people and all  their 
gear are in the car and the hardtop is on and bumpy back roads are  .involved I 
just put 40lbs or so in . Easy to try a set take em off if you  don't like 
them

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 30 07:49:20 2011
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:49:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
In-Reply-To: <12cc88.3e13ff21.3a75f506@aol.com>
Message-ID: <721845.98232.qm@web161219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

HI,
     Yes, people want the stock ones..I see that trend on the other big
auction sales as well. Personally, I like the idea.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Sat, 1/29/11, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:

From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
To: spook01 at comcast.net, barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 5:56 PM

The day may come where people say, "Man I should have bought one of those 
Tigers when they were only $80,000"  ( sort of the think I say about Shelby 
Mustangs:-)


In a message dated 1/29/2011 5:53:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
spook01 at comcast.net writes:

There's  a butt for every seat.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----  Reply message -----
From: "barncobob" <barncobob at aol.com>
Date:  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 16:28
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
To:  <tigers at autox.team.net>

car went for $80,000. Ouch, thats alot of  money.
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From sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jan 30 08:14:31 2011
From: sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com (Sigma Engineering)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:14:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
References: <AANLkTi=hkkWFhQiBqnv_BvrWQ-ZSSQtCCk24Uu6C1e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikGt3NAQUkMqMkeeEDavPWT6Vbna2O=hCcRs_-r@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A45E727C94AB4C52B5B83850075F0033@D32K5JC1>

I saw this last night on TV...the bidding looked very suspect.  60k, 70k, 
80k very quickly, then it stopped dead....SOLD.....next car.  I certainly 
hope 80k was a valid sold price.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Ralsten" <sralsten111 at gmail.com>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger


>I don't see prices being pushed artificially higher. I see them being 
>pushed
> to where they belong given the rarity, the looks, and the higher valuation
> of several other 60's era cars. Just my.$.02
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From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Sun Jan 30 08:26:19 2011
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:26:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 6RA relay and resistor
Message-ID: <000501cbc092$0b298620$217c9260$@cox.net>

1967 Tiger MKII

The problem is that when the ignition is switched on, the indicator light on
the dash is very, very dim.  I have checked the bulb and the voltage at the
various connectors and all seems to be ok.  I even installed new a NOS 6RA
relay, to no avail.

  This morning I checked the resistor associated with the 6RA relay.  There
is continuity between the terminals, of course,  but there is also
continuity between the terminals and the mounting bracket. When I remove the
resistor and  bracket from its mounting, I get no  continuity between the
terminals and the bracket.  Thinking it is internally shorted I checked the
ballast resistor and it also has continuity between the terminals and the
mounting bracket. Is this correct, shouldn't there only be continuity
between the terminals?

 

Thanks

Richard

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 30 08:29:35 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 07:29:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
In-Reply-To: <721845.98232.qm@web161219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <221575.11716.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup,  I have kept mine  original and rust free.  Fun to drive and not for
sale.  B9472283  tac 311.   Gary Moore   Same with my Crossfire SRT6 rdst.

--- On Sun, 1/30/11, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 2:49 PM

HI,
     Yes, people want the stock ones..I see that trend on the other big
auction sales as well. Personally, I like the idea.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Sat, 1/29/11, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:

From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
To: spook01 at comcast.net, barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 5:56 PM

The day may come where people say, "Man I should have bought one of those
Tigers when they were only $80,000"  ( sort of the think I say about Shelby
Mustangs:-)


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spook01 at comcast.net writes:

There's  a butt for every seat.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Date:  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 16:28
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car went for $80,000. Ouch, thats alot of  money.
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Jan 30 08:35:44 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:35:44 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
In-Reply-To: <721845.98232.qm@web161219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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	<721845.98232.qm@web161219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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The secret is....don't do any permanent mods to your car and keep all stock
parts.  I have a "personalized" Tiger that can be returned to bone stock
with a few weekends of work.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Howard gentry
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 8:49 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction

HI,
     Yes, people want the stock ones..I see that trend on the other big
auction sales as well. Personally, I like the idea.
zym

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From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
To: spook01 at comcast.net, barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 5:56 PM

The day may come where people say, "Man I should have bought one of those 
Tigers when they were only $80,000"  ( sort of the think I say about Shelby 
Mustangs:-)


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There's  a butt for every seat.

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car went for $80,000. Ouch, thats alot of  money.
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 09:00:15 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:00:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
In-Reply-To: <87949260.2106996.1296318592879.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <87949260.2106996.1296318592879.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinovLx3AwKUsmaFweHTVyJB_Jz83YFM0__KgbET@mail.gmail.com>

Are we ignoring the basics here? Lots of talk about solutions, but I don't
see - can't find - a starting point. That is, what SHOULD the ride height
be? I looked... TE/AE, Tigers United, STOA, Rootes Tiger Workshop Manual,
Google search... and I can't find a spec. That is, how high should the top
of the fenders be on a stock Tiger with stock wheels and tires.

I'm not questioning Tym's concerns, I have the same issues more or less. (If
I knew the base measurement I could figure out if it's more, or less...)
Yes, I know differences in tire size affect ride height, but that's
relatively easy to calculate.

My Mark 2 has been through a complete body rebuild including squaring the
body and eliminating twist (there almost certainly was twist; it had a
difficult past), so I can be pretty sure what problems there may be are in
the suspension. The front end looks a bit high, but, again, I don't know
where the starting point is. If it is too high the cause may be lower engine
weight from replacing the cast iron heads and manifold.

So, Guys... where to start? Does anybody know?

Tom

' 67 Mark 2

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:29 AM, <tym2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Tigers,
>
>
> As I look outside and see more than 38" of snow, I'm thinking about
> projects for the Tiger. As all of you know, the work is never done.
> I am preparing to install new seats as well as an electronic speedometer to
> go along with the change to the T5.
>
>
> Since I did my car the rear end height is a couple of inches lower than I
> would like it to be. If no one has a better idea I will probably just
> fabricate some shackles that are longer to fit my needs. When I did the car
> I used modified springs to cure wheel hop (I got them from either Dale or
> Doug Jennings). The springs certainly cured
> the wheel hop. The car now hooks up very nicely. Keeping it on the ground
> and going straight is another story!
>
>
> Any advice or help would be appreciated regarding raising the rear end a
> few inches.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Tym McDowell
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Jan 30 09:21:48 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:21:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
In-Reply-To: <000301cbc093$5c01f9f0$1405edd0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <1450273436.48589.1296404508457.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Uh, what about the super-moded Dale car that went for $96K or
the sort-of Spencer retro-racer that went for $154K...

While I agree with keeping it to the personalized level, the real
lesson I see is that anyone selling their Tiger for $20K is certifiable
nowadays..
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: 'Howard gentry' <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:35:44 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction

The secret is....don't do any permanent mods to your car and keep all stock
parts.  I have a "personalized" Tiger that can be returned to bone stock
with a few weekends of work.

Duke
B382002037

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Jan 30 09:25:42 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:25:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
In-Reply-To: <BD809FB50F6F44F3B8097C10270C3C93@bob>
Message-ID: <1596552138.48740.1296404742309.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It was also in an old CAT tech tip.  I've always wondered if that would
really help.. have you tried it Bob?

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Hokanson <tgrrr at meadowcrk.com>
To: Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>, tym2 at comcast.net
Sent: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:24 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear end height

Longer shackles will also help to eliminate some roll steer as detailed by 
Fred Puhn in his old book "How to Make Your Car Handle".

From wwwdg at webtv.net  Sun Jan 30 11:10:10 2011
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:10:10 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl>

Thought this site might be of interest in the Tiger freeze plug discussion.
If he is correct, all 260's have three freeze plugs.
David Franchi

http://www.falconparts.com/early%20v-8%20engine%20mounts.htm 


-----Original Message-----
From: Clyde McLaughlin
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks

Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jan 30 11:25:22 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:25:22 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl>
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Danger, Will RObinson..danger danger... the first paragraph contains an 
error error....  the 289 block and 302 block both have 4 inch bores You 
caninfact make a 302 by using the 302 crank and rods and pistons using a 
289 block.   So, when I find a blue tennis ball among teh white ones, 
everything said after thatis suspect...

mayf

On 1/30/2011 10:10 AM, David or Gary Franchi wrote:
> Thought this site might be of interest in the Tiger freeze plug discussion.
> If he is correct, all 260's have three freeze plugs.
> David Franchi
>
> http://www.falconparts.com/early%20v-8%20engine%20mounts.htm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clyde McLaughlin
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>
> Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
> with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan 30 12:13:07 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:13:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinovLx3AwKUsmaFweHTVyJB_Jz83YFM0__KgbET@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07EBF1E0DC7446E3BD7E4098195D95E5@ronpc1>

Tom
	You ask a difficult question because the only hint the Shop Manual
give is the 4 1/2" ground clearance.

	One of the things I have noticed on some period side shots of a
stock Tiger is that if the bumper's lower edges are horizontal and you run a
string between that lower edge of the bumpers; the string should be about
3/4s the way up the stock naove plates.   Obviously this will only give you
a very rough estimate but maybe it can be a start point.

	I have not tried the string on my Tiger yet but here is what I have.
CAT springs in the back and I lowered the front stock springs with a thinner
pad.   The lower you go the less ground clearance you have and that can
become a problem.

Rear	 23.5"  ground to top of wheel arch
Front	 23"

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:00 AM
To: tym2 at comcast.net
Cc: Tiger's List
Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear end height


Are we ignoring the basics here? Lots of talk about solutions, but I don't
see - can't find - a starting point. That is, what SHOULD the ride height
be? I looked... TE/AE, Tigers United, STOA, Rootes Tiger Workshop Manual,
Google search... and I can't find a spec. That is, how high should the top
of the fenders be on a stock Tiger with stock wheels and tires.

I'm not questioning Tym's concerns, I have the same issues more or less. (If
I knew the base measurement I could figure out if it's more, or less...)
Yes, I know differences in tire size affect ride height, but that's
relatively easy to calculate.

My Mark 2 has been through a complete body rebuild including squaring the
body and eliminating twist (there almost certainly was twist; it had a
difficult past), so I can be pretty sure what problems there may be are in
the suspension. The front end looks a bit high, but, again, I don't know
where the starting point is. If it is too high the cause may be lower engine
weight from replacing the cast iron heads and manifold.

So, Guys... where to start? Does anybody know?

Tom

' 67 Mark 2

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:29 AM, <tym2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Tigers,
>
>
> As I look outside and see more than 38" of snow, I'm thinking about
> projects for the Tiger. As all of you know, the work is never done. I
> am preparing to install new seats as well as an electronic speedometer
> to go along with the change to the T5.
>
>
> Since I did my car the rear end height is a couple of inches lower
> than I would like it to be. If no one has a better idea I will
> probably just fabricate some shackles that are longer to fit my needs.
> When I did the car I used modified springs to cure wheel hop (I got
> them from either Dale or Doug Jennings). The springs certainly cured
> the wheel hop. The car now hooks up very nicely. Keeping it on the
> ground and going straight is another story!
>
>
> Any advice or help would be appreciated regarding raising the rear end
> a few inches.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Tym McDowell
> _______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan 30 12:39:14 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:39:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4905ECEE5C5047B084325EE0766625DD@ronpc1>

	The early 221 block have a casting # C2OE-6015-G and the early 260
block, casting # C2OE-6015-J located on top behind the intake manifold.
These 2 blocks have 6" mounts with 2 freeze plugs.

Jan 1963 Ford change the 221 and 260 block to conform with the 7" mount of
the 289 and all of these engines have 3 freeze plugs.   221 casting # is
C3OE-6015-A, this block was cancelled for the 1964 model year, Aug 1963.
260 casting # is C3OE-6015-B, the block casting # was changed to C4OE-6015-B
for the 64 model year then to C4OE-6015-E which continue until discontinued
in Oct 1965.

	The only possible production Tiger 260 block casting numbers are
C3OE-6015-B, C4OE-6015-B, C4OE-6015-E all with the 7" mount and 3 freeze
plugs.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of David or Gary Franchi
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:10 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks


Thought this site might be of interest in the Tiger freeze plug discussion.
If he is correct, all 260's have three freeze plugs. David Franchi

http://www.falconparts.com/early%20v-8%20engine%20mounts.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: Clyde McLaughlin
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks

Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde
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From mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 30 13:54:49 2011
From: mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net (Mike Baskette)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:54:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 54
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1296414002.16839.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <771047.91285.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Longer shackles?.................the sixties are over.

If the rear spring does not have enough arch, then fix it.  Take them off and
and head on over to the spring man and "get er'" done.

If your springs are wrong then you are going fix that with longer shackles?
That's two things wrong, not just one.

As too the other post addressing the car sitting to high.  Again, wrong
springs
Adding back twenty pounds ain't going to make it right.  Remember, if you
decide to cut a coil out your ride will suffer.  You'll take (for instance) a
400 pound spring and turn it into a 450 by removing a coil and reducing the
travel of the spring as well.  Many times a stock height is not the enemy.

Before the all knowing poo poo my thoughts............it's just an opinion. 
But, I have been doing suspensions for some time.

I'm no expert but I act like one on the internet

From jim at island.net  Sun Jan 30 13:57:08 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:57:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com>
References: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl>
	<4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <011f01cbc0c0$42d0b8e0$c8722aa0$@net>

Ya... I noticed that too about the bore sizes...a 302 is a stroked 289 ...

I don't remember much about my first Tiger from the seventies except it did
have a 260 when I bought it... Of course the first thing I did was replace
it with a 302. I don't remember the freeze plug count but I'll always
remember that I swapped over the manifolds to the 302 and was going to use
the fuel pump block off plate from the 260 but noticed that it was 'round'
and not the same shape that I needed for the 302 which has the oval shape
which I believe also fits chevvies...

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:25 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks

Danger, Will RObinson..danger danger... the first paragraph contains an 
error error....  the 289 block and 302 block both have 4 inch bores You 
caninfact make a 302 by using the 302 crank and rods and pistons using a 
289 block.   So, when I find a blue tennis ball among teh white ones, 
everything said after thatis suspect...

mayf

On 1/30/2011 10:10 AM, David or Gary Franchi wrote:
> Thought this site might be of interest in the Tiger freeze plug
discussion.
> If he is correct, all 260's have three freeze plugs.
> David Franchi
>
> http://www.falconparts.com/early%20v-8%20engine%20mounts.htm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clyde McLaughlin
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>
> Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
> with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde

From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 14:10:10 2011
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:10:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
In-Reply-To: <1450273436.48589.1296404508457.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <000301cbc093$5c01f9f0$1405edd0$@rr.com>
	<1450273436.48589.1296404508457.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimymQ1yxBMWOHreTGy+MpB71Fs6BAbc7qVYqJeQ@mail.gmail.com>

An uneducated consumer is my best customer. The dumber you are the more it
will cost you!
   just a humble observation
  jeff

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Gary Winblad <garywinblad at comcast.net>wrote:

> Uh, what about the super-moded Dale car that went for $96K or
> the sort-of Spencer retro-racer that went for $154K...
>
> While I agree with keeping it to the personalized level, the real
> lesson I see is that anyone selling their Tiger for $20K is certifiable
> nowadays..
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> To: 'Howard gentry' <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:35:44 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] mecum tiger auction
>
> The secret is....don't do any permanent mods to your car and keep all stock
> parts.  I have a "personalized" Tiger that can be returned to bone stock
> with a few weekends of work.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
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From milward at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 30 14:46:39 2011
From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:46:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger ride height
Message-ID: <8E2E10B8F5A34ADAB1E911C15891E2FA@BillPC>

I have not seen a number for the correct ride height of a Tiger sitting on the
ground in the Workshop Manual. However since you guys had me get my
homologation documents out, I noticed the 1966 version shows a dimension from
the bottom of the body (excluding those flanges that stick down) of 9.5
inches, measured in line with the front and rear edges of the door. I measured
mine (after suspension TLC by Tom Hall) as 6.0" in front and 7.5" at the back,
with 13" wheels and 205/60-13s.

Bill

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 15:02:29 2011
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:02:29 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <011f01cbc0c0$42d0b8e0$c8722aa0$@net>
References: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl><4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com>
	<011f01cbc0c0$42d0b8e0$c8722aa0$@net>
Message-ID: <C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700>

It is true that a 302 is a stroked 289 and that the internals of one block will
fit the other. However, the cylinder bores are slightly longer in the 302
blocks to accommodate the longer stroke and reduce piston slap at the bottom of
the stroke. Use the 289 internals in a 302 block freely, but be careful using
302 internals in a 289 block.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of jim
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:57 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks

Ya... I noticed that too about the bore sizes...a 302 is a stroked 289 ...

I don't remember much about my first Tiger from the seventies except it did
have a 260 when I bought it... Of course the first thing I did was replace
it with a 302. I don't remember the freeze plug count but I'll always
remember that I swapped over the manifolds to the 302 and was going to use
the fuel pump block off plate from the 260 but noticed that it was 'round'
and not the same shape that I needed for the 302 which has the oval shape
which I believe also fits chevvies...

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:25 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks

Danger, Will RObinson..danger danger... the first paragraph contains an
error error....  the 289 block and 302 block both have 4 inch bores You
caninfact make a 302 by using the 302 crank and rods and pistons using a
289 block.   So, when I find a blue tennis ball among teh white ones,
everything said after thatis suspect...

mayf

On 1/30/2011 10:10 AM, David or Gary Franchi wrote:
> Thought this site might be of interest in the Tiger freeze plug
discussion.
> If he is correct, all 260's have three freeze plugs.
> David Franchi
>
> http://www.falconparts.com/early%20v-8%20engine%20mounts.htm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clyde McLaughlin
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>
> Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
> with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 30 15:45:48 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:45:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <694821.53682.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree with the freeze plug and motor mount spacing information, but the
author is incorrect in the first paragraph where is states "the 289 can not be
bored out for fitment of the 302 pistons." The 289 and 302 have the same
4.000" bore. The 302 does have slightly deeper cylinder walls to minimize
piston slap at BDC due to the longer stroke. The author probably meant the 260
can not be bored out for fitment of the 289 and 302 pistons.
 
Gary

--- On Sun, 1/30/11, David or Gary Franchi <wwwdg at webtv.net> wrote:


From: David or Gary Franchi <wwwdg at webtv.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:10 AM


Thought this site might be of interest in the Tiger freeze plug discussion.
If he is correct, all 260's have three freeze plugs.
David Franchi

http://www.falconparts.com/early%20v-8%20engine%20mounts.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: Clyde McLaughlin
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks

Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jan 30 15:52:17 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:52:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700>
References: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl><4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com>
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	<C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700>
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I think there may be a number of folk running 302 internals in their 289 
blocks.  The differences are very small as I understand.  The note I 
sent was because the reference item sent said that the 289 cold not be 
bored to 302 conditions.   I have a 289 5 bolt bell housing with a 30 
over bore that I am considering turning into a 302 or better yet a 306.  
I would use the crank, rods and pistons fromt eh race car to make that 
happen.

mayf

On 1/30/2011 2:02 PM, A. C. Tynes wrote:
> It is true that a 302 is a stroked 289 and that the internals of one block will
> fit the other. However, the cylinder bores are slightly longer in the 302
> blocks to accommodate the longer stroke and reduce piston slap at the bottom of
> the stroke. Use the 289 internals in a 302 block freely, but be careful using
> 302 internals in a 289 block.
>
> A. C. Tynes
> New Orleans
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of jim
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:57 PM
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>
> Ya... I noticed that too about the bore sizes...a 302 is a stroked 289 ...
>
> I don't remember much about my first Tiger from the seventies except it did
> have a 260 when I bought it... Of course the first thing I did was replace
> it with a 302. I don't remember the freeze plug count but I'll always
> remember that I swapped over the manifolds to the 302 and was going to use
> the fuel pump block off plate from the 260 but noticed that it was 'round'
> and not the same shape that I needed for the 302 which has the oval shape
> which I believe also fits chevvies...
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:25 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>
> Danger, Will RObinson..danger danger... the first paragraph contains an
> error error....  the 289 block and 302 block both have 4 inch bores You
> caninfact make a 302 by using the 302 crank and rods and pistons using a
> 289 block.   So, when I find a blue tennis ball among teh white ones,
> everything said after thatis suspect...
>
> mayf
>
> On 1/30/2011 10:10 AM, David or Gary Franchi wrote:
>> Thought this site might be of interest in the Tiger freeze plug
> discussion.
>> If he is correct, all 260's have three freeze plugs.
>> David Franchi
>>
>> http://www.falconparts.com/early%20v-8%20engine%20mounts.htm
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clyde McLaughlin
>> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>>
>> Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
>> with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde
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From sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Sun Jan 30 17:25:49 2011
From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Steve Halbrook)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:25:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
In-Reply-To: <E011F175-22BC-4AD5-8ED3-0350658ADA61@att.net>
References: <598289.72406.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Sunbeam Specialties has reproduced them and had them in stock a few months
ago.

Steve Halbrook






-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net>
To: Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?


I didn't think the duckbill beneath the heater core is available anymore,
xcept used.
Allan Ballard
k1-a Tiger
IV Alpine

n Jan 29, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Gary wrote:
> The duckbill drains are for condensation from the heater core cavity and
 drainage from the passenger compartment intake vents. Early Tigers that do
ot
 have the intake vents only need the one duckbill for the heater. Those
igers
 with intake vents need all three.

 Gary

 --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:


 From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
 To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, "'George Re'" <mgman71 at comcast.net>, "'Tigers'"
 <tigers at autox.team.net>
 Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 3:45 PM


 Hmm, I only found one when I took my car apart.  Is there a diagram
nywhere
 that shows all of the holes in the firewall area and what goes into them?

 drew a picture when I took my car apart 20 years ago but I am now finding
 more holes than what I had on my drawing.

 By the way, Rick at Sunbeam Specialties has the duckbills for $9.75.  I
 think the ones I saw on E-bay were a lot more.

 Thanks,
 Joe

 -----Original Message-----
 From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
 On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
 Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:14 PM
 To: 'George Re'; 'Tigers'
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?

 George
    There are 3 on my Tiger.  One for each air vent drain and one for
 the heater core drain.
 Ron Fraser

 -----Original Message-----
 From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
 On Behalf Of George Re
 Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:40 PM
 To: Tigers
 Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?


 Hello Just a dumb question How any duckbill drains do a Tiger have? there
s
 a guy on E-Bay who is selling them and he says there are two . I can't
heck
 my car it is in storage for the winter. Thanks George Re
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sun Jan 30 18:24:41 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:24:41 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger ride height
In-Reply-To: <8E2E10B8F5A34ADAB1E911C15891E2FA@BillPC>
References: <8E2E10B8F5A34ADAB1E911C15891E2FA@BillPC>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2BE9E4B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Interesting... I get about 6 1/2" in front and 6 3/4" at the rear door corner.
205/45-16's.

Darrell B, that means your car isn't too high... it's just not lowered enough.
;)

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories
> Sent: January 30, 2011 2:47 PM
> To: Tigers
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger ride height
>
> I have not seen a number for the correct ride height of a Tiger sitting
> on the
> ground in the Workshop Manual. However since you guys had me get my
> homologation documents out, I noticed the 1966 version shows a
> dimension from
> the bottom of the body (excluding those flanges that stick down) of 9.5
> inches, measured in line with the front and rear edges of the door. I
> measured
> mine (after suspension TLC by Tom Hall) as 6.0" in front and 7.5" at
> the back,
> with 13" wheels and 205/60-13s.
>
> Bill
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 19:02:52 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:02:52 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
In-Reply-To: <A45E727C94AB4C52B5B83850075F0033@D32K5JC1>
References: <AANLkTi=hkkWFhQiBqnv_BvrWQ-ZSSQtCCk24Uu6C1e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikGt3NAQUkMqMkeeEDavPWT6Vbna2O=hCcRs_-r@mail.gmail.com>
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Here are the pre resto, resto and psot resto pics of the black tiger,

i will let people make their minds on if it was worth 80K

http://community.webshots.com/album/579664086AeAeVd


there are 8 pages of pics.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 19:20:38 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:20:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
Message-ID: <45906.5802c164.3a777676@aol.com>

Here are  the pre resto, resto and psot resto pics of the black tiger,

i will let  people make their minds on if it was worth 80K
 
What car is worth $80K?   How much more special is a Hertz Shelby  for 
$80K? It still comes down to.... the value  is what the public  will pay.

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 30 19:49:46 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:49:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4SHTrLLzkE9pBtJQX+N-H83NZk2TtFGjcqXGM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <772307.73530.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

$80K... well, that should just about pay for the price of the original car and the total restoration.

--- On Sun, 1/30/11, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:


From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
To: "Sigma Engineering" <sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com>
Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:02 PM


Here are the pre resto, resto and psot resto pics of the black tiger,

i will let people make their minds on if it was worth 80K

http://community.webshots.com/album/579664086AeAeVd


there are 8 pages of pics.

-- 
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Jan 30 20:50:54 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:50:54 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4SHTrLLzkE9pBtJQX+N-H83NZk2TtFGjcqXGM@mail.gmail.com>
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It's worth $80K to the buyer and that is ALL that matters.  What are there
hard feeling or downright anger towards the selling price of this car??

I for one and happy for the sale.  My car is nicer (I think) and I did not
pay near that amount.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 8:03 PM
To: Sigma Engineering
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger

Here are the pre resto, resto and psot resto pics of the black tiger,

i will let people make their minds on if it was worth 80K

http://community.webshots.com/album/579664086AeAeVd


there are 8 pages of pics.

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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 30 21:14:20 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:14:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Re:  Mercum 80K Tiger
Message-ID: <4D46371C.8030509@socal.rr.com>

Thanks, michael,

That was most illuminating.  Wonder if winning bidder ever saw these.  I 
sure didn't, until now.

Steve

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
Date: 	Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:02:52 +1100
From: 	michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: 	Sigma Engineering <sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com>
CC: 	Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>



Here are the pre resto, resto and psot resto pics of the black tiger,

i will let people make their minds on if it was worth 80K

http://community.webshots.com/album/579664086AeAeVd


there are 8 pages of pics.

-- 
Regards

Michael King
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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 30 21:39:32 2011
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:39:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
References: <772307.73530.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A4006AC3063945EB8ACD49BAF562530E@yourze8cxvr8tt>

where was this car restored? work of this kind would probably end up at over 
80K! but it is a nice restoration. not many body men would tackle a job like 
this.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary" <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger


> $80K... well, that should just about pay for the price of the original car 
> and the total restoration.
>
> --- On Sun, 1/30/11, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
> To: "Sigma Engineering" <sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com>
> Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:02 PM
>
>
> Here are the pre resto, resto and psot resto pics of the black tiger,
>
> i will let people make their minds on if it was worth 80K
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/579664086AeAeVd
>
>
> there are 8 pages of pics.
>
> -- 
> Regards
>
> Michael King
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Jan 30 22:20:20 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:20:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
References: <772307.73530.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A4006AC3063945EB8ACD49BAF562530E@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <7A56A228A33A446C877C3426F8BB1A5E@student2>

>>>not many body men would tackle a job like this.<<<

I know, only idiots like myself would do it! Honestly this Tiger was as bad 
as, if not slightly worse than mine. While my hours were "hobby" hours 
(un-billable) I don't think I spent more than $250 in materials to replace 
the lower outer sills (50% of the inner on the passenger side) and the sheet 
metal aft of the front wheels, and fore of the rear wheel. There were other 
small repairs (panhard rod hole, etc., etc.).

 In the end all bad metal was replaced and the floorpan (top and bottom) was 
stripped and POR-15ed. The front end is completely rebuilt, the rear end 
completely rebuilt (brakes too).  I think I have about $800 in everything so 
far. My $5,100 Tiger won't even top out at $,8000 when done.  Will it be 
like the Mercum car? No way.  But it probably will be 75% of that car for 
one tenth the price.

Not faulting the guy who bought it, only encouraging others that patience, 
and hard work might still allow them a Tiger that recent numbers seem to put 
out of reach.

Tom Witt

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 01:40:27 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:40:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Duckbill drain?
In-Reply-To: <B51A048B49BA4717A795CB32302D8DBB@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <583728.22495.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  All duckbills are the same part number.

Are the vent duckbill drains the same as the heater drain? In my mind the 2
vent drains are made different. Can not rely on my memory but Ron says ALL
have the same part number.Are they the same?
TtT

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 05:06:39 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:06:39 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700>
References: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl>
	<4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com> <011f01cbc0c0$42d0b8e0$c8722aa0$@net>
	<C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+6-nU=xMy1FYfdvjpUd4=UqGN3ff+f+mM1xAx@mail.gmail.com>

As May F posted a little later, the diffeence between the 289 and 302 may
not be that much, perhaps ford being cautious.. but lets go with they did it
for a good reason..

Lets say running the 302 crank means that the pistons are dropping low
enough that it may cause a problem.. that makes me worry about the number of
people doing "period" strokers.. ie.. putting the 331 and 347 cranks in
their rare 289 5 bolts.. if the 302 crank is close to causing issues.. the
331 and 347 must be pushing their luck?

On 31 January 2011 09:02, A. C. Tynes <v8tracker at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is true that a 302 is a stroked 289 and that the internals of one block
> will
> fit the other. However, the cylinder bores are slightly longer in the 302
> blocks to accommodate the longer stroke and reduce piston slap at the
> bottom of
> the stroke. Use the 289 internals in a 302 block freely, but be careful
> using
> 302 internals in a 289 block.
>
> A. C. Tynes
> New Orleans
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
>  Behalf Of jim
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:57 PM
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>
> Ya... I noticed that too about the bore sizes...a 302 is a stroked 289 ...
>
> I don't remember much about my first Tiger from the seventies except it did
> have a 260 when I bought it... Of course the first thing I did was replace
> it with a 302. I don't remember the freeze plug count but I'll always
> remember that I swapped over the manifolds to the 302 and was going to use
> the fuel pump block off plate from the 260 but noticed that it was 'round'
> and not the same shape that I needed for the 302 which has the oval shape
> which I believe also fits chevvies...
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:25 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>
> Danger, Will RObinson..danger danger... the first paragraph contains an
> error error....  the 289 block and 302 block both have 4 inch bores You
> caninfact make a 302 by using the 302 crank and rods and pistons using a
> 289 block.   So, when I find a blue tennis ball among teh white ones,
> everything said after thatis suspect...
>
> mayf
>
> On 1/30/2011 10:10 AM, David or Gary Franchi wrote:
> > Thought this site might be of interest in the Tiger freeze plug
> discussion.
> > If he is correct, all 260's have three freeze plugs.
> > David Franchi
> >
> > http://www.falconparts.com/early%20v-8%20engine%20mounts.htm
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clyde McLaughlin
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:29 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
> >
> > Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other
> Fords
> > with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde
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Michael King

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 05:12:12 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:12:12 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] rear end height
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinovLx3AwKUsmaFweHTVyJB_Jz83YFM0__KgbET@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87949260.2106996.1296318592879.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<AANLkTinovLx3AwKUsmaFweHTVyJB_Jz83YFM0__KgbET@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimCP+OGkC_KGCP4Quh-AwcQmApJrgZ04hRi2gPw@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

I would ask tom hall... on his mod tiger engineering site he talks about how
far the rear and front ride height is lowered. he gives some specs.. but i
gather he knows the originals:

http://www.tigerengineering.net/


Rear Leaf Springs
 This is an example of the ride height you can expect from the springs for
sale above. I bolted them in and when this picture was taken I had about 200
miles on the springs.
To give you a comparison for ride height use the following measurement:
12.5" from the center of the rear axle up to the bottom edge of the fender
lip.

 Front Coil Springs
 The front ride height will measure approx 24.5" floor to top of the fender
lip (when using 185/70 R13 tires).
On 31 January 2011 03:00, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are we ignoring the basics here? Lots of talk about solutions, but I don't
> see - can't find - a starting point. That is, what SHOULD the ride height
> be? I looked... TE/AE, Tigers United, STOA, Rootes Tiger Workshop Manual,
> Google search... and I can't find a spec. That is, how high should the top
> of the fenders be on a stock Tiger with stock wheels and tires.
>
> I'm not questioning Tym's concerns, I have the same issues more or less.
> (If
> I knew the base measurement I could figure out if it's more, or less...)
> Yes, I know differences in tire size affect ride height, but that's
> relatively easy to calculate.
>
> My Mark 2 has been through a complete body rebuild including squaring the
> body and eliminating twist (there almost certainly was twist; it had a
> difficult past), so I can be pretty sure what problems there may be are in
> the suspension. The front end looks a bit high, but, again, I don't know
> where the starting point is. If it is too high the cause may be lower
> engine
> weight from replacing the cast iron heads and manifold.
>
> So, Guys... where to start? Does anybody know?
>
> Tom
>
> ' 67 Mark 2
>
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:29 AM, <tym2 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Tigers,
> >
> >
> > As I look outside and see more than 38" of snow, I'm thinking about
> > projects for the Tiger. As all of you know, the work is never done.
> > I am preparing to install new seats as well as an electronic speedometer
> to
> > go along with the change to the T5.
> >
> >
> > Since I did my car the rear end height is a couple of inches lower than I
> > would like it to be. If no one has a better idea I will probably just
> > fabricate some shackles that are longer to fit my needs. When I did the
> car
> > I used modified springs to cure wheel hop (I got them from either Dale or
> > Doug Jennings). The springs certainly cured
> > the wheel hop. The car now hooks up very nicely. Keeping it on the ground
> > and going straight is another story!
> >
> >
> > Any advice or help would be appreciated regarding raising the rear end a
> > few inches.
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> > Tym McDowell
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Regards

Michael King

From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Jan 31 05:59:36 2011
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:59:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin+6-nU=xMy1FYfdvjpUd4=UqGN3ff+f+mM1xAx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl><4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com>
	<011f01cbc0c0$42d0b8e0$c8722aa0$@net><C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700>
	<AANLkTin+6-nU=xMy1FYfdvjpUd4=UqGN3ff+f+mM1xAx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B809355F23A4291A7A9284072B41B5B@DavePC>

Hi Michael:

I have the 331 stroker kit in my 289 Block, with approximately 12,000 miles 
on it now with no mechanical issues. It suffered serious elevated heat abuse 
after its original build by an inexperienced shop. (Don't ask!), and after 
6,000 miles of trying to control the heat, I finally succeeded by installing 
a large alloy rad on top of all the well known Tiger heat-control mods.

Then I had the motor stripped by a reputable local shop to see what damage 
had been done during the time
of unrelenting operating heat. (225-230F). The internals looked brand new, 
which lends credence to the contention of many on this list that these 
temperatures do not hurt the SBF engine.

My rotating assembly came from SCAT, and includes forged rods and pistons. 
But the clearance at BDC between the crank web and the bottom of the piston 
is pretty scary to look at. I have my rev limiter set at 5500 rpm, which is 
close to the power peak (317 hp at the crank) and after this last rebuild I 
have absolutely no fears of parts exiting the oil pan.

Sorry the photo of the crank/piston clearance won't come through - anyone 
who wants to see close tolerances, send me an e-mail.

Regards,

Dave Munroe
p.s. the cylinders are bored .060"




From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks


 As May F posted a little later, the diffeence between the 289 and 302 may
 not be that much, perhaps ford being cautious.. but lets go with they did 
it
 for a good reason..

 Lets say running the 302 crank means that the pistons are dropping low
 enough that it may cause a problem.. that makes me worry about the number 
of
 people doing "period" strokers.. ie.. putting the 331 and 347 cranks in
 their rare 289 5 bolts.. if the 302 crank is close to causing issues.. the
 331 and 347 must be pushing their luck?

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Not much clearance.jpg]

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Jan 31 07:42:16 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 06:42:16 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin+6-nU=xMy1FYfdvjpUd4=UqGN3ff+f+mM1xAx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl>
	<4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com> <011f01cbc0c0$42d0b8e0$c8722aa0$@net>
	<C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700>
	<AANLkTin+6-nU=xMy1FYfdvjpUd4=UqGN3ff+f+mM1xAx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D46CA48.9070409@mayfco.com>

forgot to delete the trailer...


First things first... I am not "may f ", lol... Not pronounced  May 
then an added F. It is just a contraction of my last name first 4 
letters. Pronounce it like   "Mayfph".   Or just call me Larry.     Now, 
a quick calculator manipulation shows me that the stroke difference 
betwen a 289 and a 302 is a whopping 0.13 inches. Yup, just barely over 
a 1/10 of an inch.  I don't think there is a care in the world about that.

Let's hear from some of the folk who have made strokers from their 289 
motors and see what the real experience is vs supposing.  Any takers?

mayph

On 1/31/2011 4:06 AM, michael king wrote:
> As May F posted a little later, the diffeence between the 289 and 302 may
> not be that much, perhaps ford being cautious.. but lets go with they did it
> for a good reason..
>
> Lets say running the 302 crank means that the pistons are dropping low
> enough that it may cause a problem.. that makes me worry about the number of
> people doing "period" strokers.. ie.. putting the 331 and 347 cranks in
> their rare 289 5 bolts.. if the 302 crank is close to causing issues.. the
> 331 and 347 must be pushing their luck?
>
> On 31 January 2011 09:02, A. C. Tynes<v8tracker at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> It is true that a 302 is a stroked 289 and that the internals of one block
>> will
>> fit the other. However, the cylinder bores are slightly longer in the 302
>> blocks to accommodate the longer stroke and reduce piston slap at the
>> bottom of
>> the stroke. Use the 289 internals in a 302 block freely, but be careful
>> using
>> 302 internals in a 289 block.
>>
>> A. C. Tynes
>> New Orleans
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On
>>   Behalf Of jim
>> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:57 PM
>> To: drmayf at mayfco.com; tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>>
>> Ya... I noticed that too about the bore sizes...a 302 is a stroked 289 ...
>>
>> I don't remember much about my first Tiger from the seventies except it did
>> have a 260 when I bought it... Of course the first thing I did was replace
>> it with a 302. I don't remember the freeze plug count but I'll always
>> remember that I swapped over the manifolds to the 302 and was going to use
>> the fuel pump block off plate from the 260 but noticed that it was 'round'
>> and not the same shape that I needed for the 302 which has the oval shape
>> which I believe also fits chevvies...
>>
>> Jim
>> B382000446
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:25 AM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>>
>> Danger, Will RObinson..danger danger... the first paragraph contains an
>> error error....  the 289 block and 302 block both have 4 inch bores You
>> caninfact make a 302 by using the 302 crank and rods and pistons using a
>> 289 block.   So, when I find a blue tennis ball among teh white ones,
>> everything said after thatis suspect...
>>
>> mayf

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 08:19:52 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:19:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Re:  Mercum 80K Tiger
Message-ID: <193554.683f93e1.3a782d18@aol.com>

If I was the winning bidder I don't think I'd want to see them.
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2011 11:20:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

Thanks,  michael,

That was most illuminating.  Wonder if winning bidder  ever saw these.  I 
sure didn't, until  now.

Steve

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:    Re: [Tigers] Mercum 80K Tiger
Date:     Mon, 31 Jan 2011  13:02:52 +1100
From:     michael king  <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To:     Sigma Engineering  <sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com>
CC:     Tiger Talk List Tiger  <tigers at autox.team.net>



Here are the pre resto, resto and  psot resto pics of the black tiger,

i will let people make their minds  on if it was worth  80K

http://community.webshots.com/album/579664086AeAeVd


there  are 8 pages of pics.

-- 
Regards

Michael  King
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 08:29:34 2011
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:29:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] 5 Bolt 289
Message-ID: <844450.31932.qm@web161419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I have a 5 bolt 289 for sale....any takers?  located in Florida

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Mon Jan 31 09:07:19 2011
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <4D46CA48.9070409@mayfco.com>
References: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl>
	<4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com> <011f01cbc0c0$42d0b8e0$c8722aa0$@net>
	<C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700>
	<AANLkTin+6-nU=xMy1FYfdvjpUd4=UqGN3ff+f+mM1xAx@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D46CA48.9070409@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554458609E33@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

Lots of folks have built stroked 289 motors.  The cylinder skirts are not
significantly longer between the 289 and 302.  If there was a problem stroking
289 blocks we would have heard about it.  To date, I have not heard about any
pistons falling into the oil pan...

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:42 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks

forgot to delete the trailer...


First things first... I am not "may f ", lol... Not pronounced  May
then an added F. It is just a contraction of my last name first 4
letters. Pronounce it like   "Mayfph".   Or just call me Larry.     Now,
a quick calculator manipulation shows me that the stroke difference
betwen a 289 and a 302 is a whopping 0.13 inches. Yup, just barely over
a 1/10 of an inch.  I don't think there is a care in the world about that.

Let's hear from some of the folk who have made strokers from their 289
motors and see what the real experience is vs supposing.  Any takers?

mayph

On 1/31/2011 4:06 AM, michael king wrote:
> As May F posted a little later, the diffeence between the 289 and 302 may
> not be that much, perhaps ford being cautious.. but lets go with they did
it
> for a good reason..
>
> Lets say running the 302 crank means that the pistons are dropping low
> enough that it may cause a problem.. that makes me worry about the number
of
> people doing "period" strokers.. ie.. putting the 331 and 347 cranks in
> their rare 289 5 bolts.. if the 302 crank is close to causing issues.. the
> 331 and 347 must be pushing their luck?
>
> On 31 January 2011 09:02, A. C. Tynes<v8tracker at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> It is true that a 302 is a stroked 289 and that the internals of one block
>> will
>> fit the other. However, the cylinder bores are slightly longer in the 302
>> blocks to accommodate the longer stroke and reduce piston slap at the
>> bottom of
>> the stroke. Use the 289 internals in a 302 block freely, but be careful
>> using
>> 302 internals in a 289 block.
>>
>> A. C. Tynes
>> New Orleans
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On
>>   Behalf Of jim
>> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:57 PM
>> To: drmayf at mayfco.com; tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>>
>> Ya... I noticed that too about the bore sizes...a 302 is a stroked 289 ...
>>
>> I don't remember much about my first Tiger from the seventies except it
did
>> have a 260 when I bought it... Of course the first thing I did was replace
>> it with a 302. I don't remember the freeze plug count but I'll always
>> remember that I swapped over the manifolds to the 302 and was going to use
>> the fuel pump block off plate from the 260 but noticed that it was 'round'
>> and not the same shape that I needed for the 302 which has the oval shape
>> which I believe also fits chevvies...
>>
>> Jim
>> B382000446
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:25 AM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks
>>
>> Danger, Will RObinson..danger danger... the first paragraph contains an
>> error error....  the 289 block and 302 block both have 4 inch bores You
>> caninfact make a 302 by using the 302 crank and rods and pistons using a
>> 289 block.   So, when I find a blue tennis ball among teh white ones,
>> everything said after thatis suspect...
>>
>> mayf

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 09:42:30 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:42:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
Message-ID: <614949.66252.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The last photo is the bill of sale, circa 1967 from Kentucky.  Assuming it
stayed in Kentucky, the car is very rusty for a "southern" car with 25k miles
on the odometer.  Does anyone know if the car spent a lot of time up north
with salty winter roads?  Or is it a case of being stored outside for 30+
years in tall, wet grass?
 
 
                                            Jeff

From mark.rense at ge.com  Mon Jan 31 10:13:51 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:13:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <4D46CA48.9070409@mayfco.com>
References: <BAY148-ds6FB5AF8FC98B6AF2140CBADE30@phx.gbl><4D45AD12.2030103@mayfco.com>
	<011f01cbc0c0$42d0b8e0$c8722aa0$@net><C12C2BCBFC9A424DA69923A3DE5786D5@DellD4700><AANLkTin+6-nU=xMy1FYfdvjpUd4=UqGN3ff+f+mM1xAx@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D46CA48.9070409@mayfco.com>
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Dr. Larry,
You are correct. When Ford added a little meat to the bottoms of the
cylinders for the extra .130" of stroke in the 302, it was to basically
keep those long skirt pistons from slapping when they were cold. A lot
of things have changed in the last 45 years since that happened. The
newer slipper-style pistons have less skirt so they are shorter. The
pistons for the stroker kits are even shorter. The differences between
the 289 and 302 block are not usually noticed, and in the case of a
3.400" stroke (347) using a 289 block means less material to notch for
rod clearance.

I have just completed my third stroker engine made from a 5-bolt 289
block. The previous one was built with a 3.250" stroke Scat forged crank
and SRP piston set and went into a friend's '65 GT350R clone. That
engine has seen two solid years of 7000 RPM abuse at various open track
days without a hint of bottom end issues.  If you want your engine to
last, use the best components, pay a little extra for careful assembly
and good balancing, and make sure the sump keeps the oil around the
pickup no matter what g-forces you are seeing!

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mayfield
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:42 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger blocks

forgot to delete the trailer...


Now, a quick calculator manipulation shows me that the stroke difference
betwen a 289 and a 302 is a whopping 0.13 inches. Yup, just barely over
a 1/10 of an inch.  I don't think there is a care in the world about
that.

Let's hear from some of the folk who have made strokers from their 289
motors and see what the real experience is vs supposing.  Any takers?

mayph

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 10:15:38 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:15:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
Message-ID: <19b3aa.5732ba61.3a78483a@aol.com>

In the salty areas the places that get the rust first are the wheel wells,  
then the rocker panels and then the floors.  Rust on the bottom of the  
doors is more often the result of water getting down around the  windows and 
staying in the bottom of the doors.
The rust shown here doesn't seem to be entirely consistent with salty  
roads.
Mark  
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2011 12:06:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes:

The last  photo is the bill of sale, circa 1967 from Kentucky.  Assuming  it
stayed in Kentucky, the car is very rusty for a "southern" car with 25k  
miles
on the odometer.  Does anyone know if the car spent a lot of  time up north
with salty winter roads?  Or is it a case of being  stored outside for 30+
years in tall, wet grass?


Jeff
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 10:52:42 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:52:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger blocks
In-Reply-To: <000c01cbbf43$2d09eb90$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
References: <000c01cbbf43$2d09eb90$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimbN9MGJNTtzY1EVhEc_CvfBhg5VPni7pEw3boO@mail.gmail.com>

Larry was kind enough to correct my math... The difference in stroke is just
a tad more then 1/8". Sorry!

Tom

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Clyde McLaughlin <
clydemclaughlin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Yes,  the 260 tiger blocks had three freeze plugs like a 289,  other Fords
> with 260's had two freeze plugs on the each side of the block,  Clyde
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 31 11:17:09 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:17:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Holy_Mercum_Tiger?=
Message-ID: <20110131181647.19F5118765C@autox.team.net>

There are a lot of rusty - really rusty - cars in the South. I can't count the number I have seen and found and passed up!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:42
Subject: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

The last photo is the bill of sale, circa 1967 from Kentucky.  Assuming it
stayed in Kentucky, the car is very rusty for a "southern" car with 25k miles
on the odometer.  Does anyone know if the car spent a lot of time up north
with salty winter roads?  Or is it a case of being stored outside for 30+
years in tall, wet grass?
 
 
                                            Jeff
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Jan 31 14:26:56 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:26:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Overpriced Mercum 80K Tiger??
In-Reply-To: <4D46371C.8030509@socal.rr.com>
References: <4D46371C.8030509@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D472920.6090603@socal.rr.com>

After reviewing each picture (link from Michael), and the prices paid 
for resto-trucks and flat beds, I've concluded that there is no 
accounting for taste.

The Tiger was in junk-yard state before restoration.  I guess the value 
of something truly is in the eye of the beholder.

"Wow, that is some good-looking gal!"

Reply:
"Yes, she had the area's best plastic surgeon, and those "D" inserts are 
the finest money can by.  Just don't ask her to smile, or her face will 
shatter!"

That being said, consider a Tiger with a re-finish of a faded color 
paint and in otherwise factory original condition.  What might it sell 
for? At last we (after the fact) now understand the transformation.

My take on this is, if a heavily damaged and "rebuilt" Tiger sells for 
that, what might be the market value for a prime, original, unmolested 
Tiger?

*http://community.webshots.com/album/579664086AeAeVd*

Steve

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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 31 15:25:22 2011
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:25:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
References: <19b3aa.5732ba61.3a78483a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D89561F7ECB44F63886DE44F925E4135@yourze8cxvr8tt>

keep in mind one thing. the rust that was there is not there now. if the 
person that did the body work knew his business, this car is probably 
stronger now than it was originally. and by looking at the photos it appears 
he does know what to do. i have a car in a shop in ohio at the present time 
and one of the first things he did to a dipped body was to reweld and add 
more welds to everything on the underside of the car. especially the front 
shackles for the rear springs, the X frame ,etc. i don't know how many of 
you have seen these cars after the rusted areas were cut out and areas 
opened up prior to being dipped,but there was no rust treatment when they 
were built. i have taken cars apart and found many areas without primer. one 
big problem i have seen is that the panels where the front fenders meet the 
fender wells is that the filler panel at the top required a lot of seam 
sealer to fill the gap. once this falls out it's open for all the water 
spray off the tires. my body man cuts a piece for that area that doesn't 
require two pounds of seam sealer. he also removes all the lead from the 
body seams and welds all the body seams solid since they were just spot 
welded from the factory. i have not seen this car, but it must look good for 
someone to give 80K for it.
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger


> In the salty areas the places that get the rust first are the wheel wells,
> then the rocker panels and then the floors.  Rust on the bottom of the
> doors is more often the result of water getting down around the  windows 
> and
> staying in the bottom of the doors.
> The rust shown here doesn't seem to be entirely consistent with salty
> roads.
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 1/31/2011 12:06:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> The last  photo is the bill of sale, circa 1967 from Kentucky.  Assuming 
> it
> stayed in Kentucky, the car is very rusty for a "southern" car with 25k
> miles
> on the odometer.  Does anyone know if the car spent a lot of  time up 
> north
> with salty winter roads?  Or is it a case of being  stored outside for 30+
> years in tall, wet grass?
>
>
> Jeff
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From strombecker at telus.net  Mon Jan 31 15:55:44 2011
From: strombecker at telus.net (Terry)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:55:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
In-Reply-To: <D89561F7ECB44F63886DE44F925E4135@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <19b3aa.5732ba61.3a78483a@aol.com>
	<D89561F7ECB44F63886DE44F925E4135@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <9DD46D9A150A4D50A48C68E050A5B498@TerryPC>

I would be happy that the price of our cars has gone up.  I do not plan on 
selling mine, but it is nice to see the value rise with the price of other 
very collectable cars.  Now maybe there will be more information published 
on these cars.  Maybe Norm will put out another book with new information, 
would love to see that happen.  Looks like a lot of work went into the 
restoration of the Tiger.

Terry
B9471362

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bob webb" <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
To: <CoolVT at aol.com>; <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger


> keep in mind one thing. the rust that was there is not there now. if the 
> person that did the body work knew his business, this car is probably 
> stronger now than it was originally. and by looking at the photos it 
> appears he does know what to do. i have a car in a shop in ohio at the 
> present time and one of the first things he did to a dipped body was to 
> reweld and add more welds to everything on the underside of the car. 
> especially the front shackles for the rear springs, the X frame ,etc. i 
> don't know how many of you have seen these cars after the rusted areas 
> were cut out and areas opened up prior to being dipped,but there was no 
> rust treatment when they were built. i have taken cars apart and found 
> many areas without primer. one big problem i have seen is that the panels 
> where the front fenders meet the fender wells is that the filler panel at 
> the top required a lot of seam sealer to fill the gap. once this falls out 
> it's open for all the water spray off the tires. my body man cuts a piece 
> for that area that doesn't require two pounds of seam sealer. he also 
> removes all the lead from the body seams and welds all the body seams 
> solid since they were just spot welded from the factory. i have not seen 
> this car, but it must look good for someone to give 80K for it.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
> To: <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
>
>
>> In the salty areas the places that get the rust first are the wheel 
>> wells,
>> then the rocker panels and then the floors.  Rust on the bottom of the
>> doors is more often the result of water getting down around the  windows 
>> and
>> staying in the bottom of the doors.
>> The rust shown here doesn't seem to be entirely consistent with salty
>> roads.
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/31/2011 12:06:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>> The last  photo is the bill of sale, circa 1967 from Kentucky.  Assuming 
>> it
>> stayed in Kentucky, the car is very rusty for a "southern" car with 25k
>> miles
>> on the odometer.  Does anyone know if the car spent a lot of  time up 
>> north
>> with salty winter roads?  Or is it a case of being  stored outside for 
>> 30+
>> years in tall, wet grass?
>>
>>
>> Jeff
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 16:54:18 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:54:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
In-Reply-To: <D89561F7ECB44F63886DE44F925E4135@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <988083.13644.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bottom line IMO is that to very rich people 80k is not a lot of money. To me it is a small fortune. It is obvious the chap isn't a Sunbeam person or he would have found someone on the LIST that has a very stock and original car and offered him 80k and at most maybe added a fresh paint job or in some cases, just have driven the car. I have to believe this buyer is someone with lots of money who now owns a Tiger that may be worth a quarter of what he paid for it. None the less he did all of us a favor. Or perhaps if the insurance companies become aware he might increase the cost of insurance for all of us.I hope he becomes a member of this group. It would be interesting to learn more about him and see what questions he will soon be asking.I personally think it increases the value of all our cars. The question is just how many of us want to sell their Tiger, For 80k mine would be gone in a heart beat BUT I doubt there are that many rich people that know I
 even own a Tiger.
Cheers, Tony

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 19:02:27 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:02:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
Message-ID: <aee82.70b7057.3a78c3b3@aol.com>

I'm not sure all the people paying big bucks for 60's cars are rich.   I 
have  a broker friend who said some of his clients had financed the  purchase 
of 60's cars a few years back. When the prices dropped some sold and  took 
their losses.  Sort of like the stock market....not good to buy when  the 
prices are at their peak:-)

From barncobob at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 19:32:10 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:32:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] mecum auction
Message-ID: <8CD8FCF5C4C02BA-724-9FC6@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>

you know, when we all bought our cars we thought we paid a bit too much. But
the enjoyment my car gives me is incalcuable. Im 62 and no spring chicken. I
am paying my bills, car is paid for and i really dont think it will depreciate
at all. It sure beats the .5% the bank wants to pay out.

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Jan 31 19:43:42 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:43:42 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fw:  Hard Top Source
In-Reply-To: <760374.95983.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <765552.29999.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<760374.95983.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D47735E.1070001@socal.rr.com>

Randy and Jeff,

The major header pictures are the actually "listed" as Sunbeam hardtops, 
and NOT the ones shown closer to the actual parts.  In their "*Gallery*" 
link. An Alpine is shown, and looks "fairly" close to the Alpine and 
Tiger for # 345

*
*

*http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/photo.htm*


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On 3/9/10 10:15 AM, Randy Zimmermann wrote:
> Any one out there in Tigerland that has had experience with this product?
> Sure appearst to be close to the original design.
>
>
> Randy
> ________________________________
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> <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010
> 8:03:10 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Source
>
> Here is a UK source for a hard
> top that looks similar to the Rootes hard top.
> http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/sunbeam.htm
>
>
> I don't know if it
> attaches the same way as the factory top or if it uses the
> turnbuckle method.
>                                                Jeff

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 21:02:22 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:02:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Prices
In-Reply-To: <8CD8FCF5C4C02BA-724-9FC6@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <229346.54703.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't want to see Tiger prices climb too high or no one will want to drive
their car in fear of an accident or theft. You rarely see any original Cobras
driving on the street and remember...
 
"A Cobra is just a rich man's Tiger" Gary Crandall

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 21:27:15 2011
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:27:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Prices
Message-ID: <f052.6e0788f.3a78e5a3@aol.com>

I wouldn't worry, too much. A couple of guys in an $80k pissing contest may 
 not be the best barometer of the true market value of our cars ;-)
 
Mike
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2011 8:24:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
maliburevue at yahoo.com writes:

I don't  want to see Tiger prices climb too high or no one will want to 
drive
their  car in fear of an accident or theft. You rarely see any original  
Cobras
driving on the street and remember...

"A Cobra is just a rich  man's Tiger" Gary  Crandall
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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Mon Jan 31 22:58:54 2011
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:58:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Holy Mercum Tiger
Message-ID: <0989FA04A563440F87754EC4FD56FD84@unhackable>

Any InfoNet members log in and watch the Podcast?
What/why/who drive the price?

Their database shows 4 other Tigers in the past two years, including the blue
one in December, all no-sales.