From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 00:34:15 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:34:15 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Hard Top Source
In-Reply-To: <4D47735E.1070001@socal.rr.com>
References: <765552.29999.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<4D47735E.1070001@socal.rr.com>
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Steve is correct that the hardtops are "generall" the shape of the factory
tops, but they are a lot clumsier in detail and dont have the rear pins. I
believ some guys in the Uk modified them to use the factory fixings and the
rear rail fixing, would be a bit of effort.

here is the pic that HM have on their site:
http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/gallerypics/Alpine.jpg








On 1 February 2011 13:43, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Randy and Jeff,
>
> The major header pictures are the actually "listed" as Sunbeam hardtops,
> and NOT the ones shown closer to the actual parts.  In their "*Gallery*"
> link. An Alpine is shown, and looks "fairly" close to the Alpine and
> Tiger for # 345
>
> *
> *
>
> *http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/photo.htm*
>
>
> /Steve Laifman/
>
> /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>
>
>
>
> On 3/9/10 10:15 AM, Randy Zimmermann wrote:
> > Any one out there in Tigerland that has had experience with this product?
> > Sure appearst to be close to the original design.
> >
> >
> > Randy
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jeffrey Nichols
> > <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010
> > 8:03:10 AM
> > Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Source
> >
> > Here is a UK source for a hard
> > top that looks similar to the Rootes hard top.
> > http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/sunbeam.htm
> >
> >
> > I don't know if it
> > attaches the same way as the factory top or if it uses the
> > turnbuckle method.
> >                                                Jeff
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Michael King

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 00:35:58 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:35:58 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] LBC but not a tiger
Message-ID: <AANLkTimfFgW6dGWer9xHZAzPBUw5GHH4MKRE6tkmgJQp@mail.gmail.com>

To the list.

its ford v8 powered.. small and british..

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/leyland-mini-ford-windsor-v8-powered-XR-XT-XW-XY-/140504178923?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item20b6b3a0eb


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From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Tue Feb  1 02:06:04 2011
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:06:04 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Hard Top Source
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimNc5A+Bb3ZqomV9mYM7Uj+UOqeYHb210qFTPdR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <765552.29999.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<760374.95983.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4D47735E.1070001@socal.rr.com>
	<AANLkTimNc5A+Bb3ZqomV9mYM7Uj+UOqeYHb210qFTPdR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6h2NMhH8z8RNFwiS@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

Hi Michael,

you are right, they are a little thicvker in places due to the strength 
of the fiberglass.

They are a good top and fit well though. They are also a lot lighter as 
someone previously said so reduce weight and the tiger race guys use 
them over here.

the steel tops here tend to be pretty rusty so if you have a GT alpine 
with no soft top, they are a good option., Obviously they are also an 
improvement in a hot climate over the back canvas roof.

If I am passing them,  I will take some photos and put them up for the 
list.

If there is interest, I am happy to speak to them and  see if they would 
do a deal for a batch to go overseas. - I know about a dozen went to the 
USA a few years back.


regards


Jeff







In message 
<AANLkTimNc5A+Bb3ZqomV9mYM7Uj+UOqeYHb210qFTPdR at mail.gmail.com>, michael 
king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> writes
>Steve is correct that the hardtops are "generall" the shape of the factory
>tops, but they are a lot clumsier in detail and dont have the rear pins. I
>believ some guys in the Uk modified them to use the factory fixings and the
>rear rail fixing, would be a bit of effort.
>
>here is the pic that HM have on their site:
>http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/gallerypics/Alpine.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 1 February 2011 13:43, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Randy and Jeff,
>>
>> The major header pictures are the actually "listed" as Sunbeam hardtops,
>> and NOT the ones shown closer to the actual parts.  In their "*Gallery*"
>> link. An Alpine is shown, and looks "fairly" close to the Alpine and
>> Tiger for # 345
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>> *http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/photo.htm*
>>
>>
>> /Steve Laifman/
>>
>> /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/10 10:15 AM, Randy Zimmermann wrote:
>> > Any one out there in Tigerland that has had experience with this product?
>> > Sure appearst to be close to the original design.
>> >
>> >
>> > Randy
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jeffrey Nichols
>> > <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> > Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010
>> > 8:03:10 AM
>> > Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Source
>> >
>> > Here is a UK source for a hard
>> > top that looks similar to the Rootes hard top.
>> > http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/sunbeam.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't know if it
>> > attaches the same way as the factory top or if it uses the
>> > turnbuckle method.
>> >                                                Jeff
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>

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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  1 04:35:30 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 03:35:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] mecum auction
In-Reply-To: <8CD8FCF5C4C02BA-724-9FC6@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <283728.31719.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 2/1/11, barncobob <barncobob at aol.com> wrote:

From: barncobob <barncobob at aol.com>
Subject: [Tigers] mecum auction
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 2:32 AM

you know, when we all bought our cars we thought we paid a bit too much. But
the enjoyment my car gives me is incalcuable. Im 62 and no spring chicken. I
am paying my bills, car is paid for and i really dont think it will
depreciate
at all. It sure beats the .5% the bank wants to pay out.
_______________________________________________That is why I bought
Crossfires.      Gary  B9472283

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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  1 04:46:02 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 03:46:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Hard Top Source
In-Reply-To: <6h2NMhH8z8RNFwiS@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8025.78410.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a spare hard top for a series one or two. No one wanted it so I am
fitting it to my Chrysler Crossfire roadster. very light electron
construction. Gary   B9472283




>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>> *

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Tue Feb  1 10:47:20 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:47:20 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers
In-Reply-To: <283728.31719.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD8FCF5C4C02BA-724-9FC6@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
	<283728.31719.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301cbc238$13812920$3a837b60$@rr.com>

Hello all,

Hunkered down during the blizzard outside.  Getting ready to go in the
garage an polish the hard top pad marks out of my paint.

Anyway.... I have AFR 185 aluminum heads with COMP Cams Pro Magnum Rocker
Arms which are chromemoly steel and are a smaller profile that aluminum
roller rockers.  I really, really want to use my chrome valve covers with
them.  Tom Hall has a 1/4 spacer that I plan on using between the VCs and
the heads.

Question - has anyone out there been successful with chrome valve covers and
roller rockers?

TIA!

Duke
382002037

From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Feb  1 11:28:44 2011
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:28:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40D4EA734@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I know it doesn't answer your question, but I have those rockers and the LAT valve covers. I had to knock the baffles out to use them. 

No problems after that though. 

Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NetJets Aviation 

Mobile 843.290.2805

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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  1 12:19:40 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:19:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers
Message-ID: <668789.85689.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Duke,

 
I have also tried the Comp Cams Pro Magnum rockers and, yes, they are too
tall. The only roller rocker I have found that fits under the chrome valve
covers without the 1/4" spacer is Pro-Form 66911. It is flat on top and does
not have the 'hump' that most of them have. I have also used them with the
cast Tiger valve covers without the spacer. There could be others that I don't
know about.
 
I've attached pictures of both, chrome and cast valve covers, on engines with
these rockers.
 
Gary

--- On Tue, 2/1/11, Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:


From: Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 9:47 AM


Hello all,

Hunkered down during the blizzard outside.  Getting ready to go in the
garage an polish the hard top pad marks out of my paint.

Anyway.... I have AFR 185 aluminum heads with COMP Cams Pro Magnum Rocker Arms
which are chromemoly steel and are a smaller profile that aluminum
roller rockers.  I really, really want to use my chrome valve covers with
them.  Tom Hall has a 1/4 spacer that I plan on using between the VCs and
the heads.

Question - has anyone out there been successful with chrome valve covers and
roller rockers?

TIA!

Duke
382002037
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 12:19:48 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 14:19:48 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers
Message-ID: <61e9e.5f62e5c7.3a79b6d4@aol.com>

I have those rockers on a 347 that is in my 65 comet they fit under chrome  
covers that the PO had whacked the baffles out of you might be ok with 
thick  gaskets

From sganz at pacbell.net  Tue Feb  1 13:16:04 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:16:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers
In-Reply-To: <000301cbc238$13812920$3a837b60$@rr.com>
References: <8CD8FCF5C4C02BA-724-9FC6@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
	<283728.31719.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000301cbc238$13812920$3a837b60$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <125005.3808.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Duke -

As other have said you have to knock out one or more of the baffles in
the 
covers. I have not tried the magnums, but with the shaft rockers I could
get 
them to fit with just a second gasket. The Shaft Rockers are lower
profile a bit 
then the stud mount but they get into the cover at the ends
where the shaft is 
bolted on. I like the old chrome jobs too ;)

Sandy
________________________________
From: Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To:
tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 9:47:20 AM
Subject: [Tigers]
Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers

Hello all,

Hunkered down during the
blizzard outside.  Getting ready to go in the
garage an polish the hard top
pad marks out of my paint.

Anyway.... I have AFR 185 aluminum heads with COMP
Cams Pro Magnum Rocker
Arms which are chromemoly steel and are a smaller
profile that aluminum
roller rockers.  I really, really want to use my chrome
valve covers with
them.  Tom Hall has a 1/4 spacer that I plan on using
between the VCs and
the heads.

Question - has anyone out there been
successful with chrome valve covers and
roller rockers?

TIA!

Duke
382002037
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From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Feb  1 17:03:06 2011
From: jrv309 at charter.net (jrv309 at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:03:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Stay warm!
Message-ID: <416B831F39FF44E8A9019D6B8F86AE09@NewDell>

I hate to bomb the list, but to all our friends in Tiger land that are
hunkered down due to the Big Snow Storm, stay warm, dry and if possible
indoors.  We wish you all, health, safety and warmth with all our hearts.
Being a retired policeman and having worked in that type of weather, be
thankful for your Police, Fire and EMS.  Jerry, Marlene, the Candy Apple Tiger
and a Host of Tiger Folks that keep you in our thoughts  and prayers.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 17:27:12 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:27:12 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Honeybourne mouldings hardtops
Message-ID: <AANLkTinT027nNjNAK3LT1HDkcoNWqTLAC2EPTDo4DQ7r@mail.gmail.com>

We were all discussing the HM hardtops from the Uk, here are some better
pics courtesy of Tony Tomaselli of the STOC

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1673.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1679.jpg



-- 
Regards

Michael King

From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Feb  2 17:44:50 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 18:44:50 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Stay warm!
In-Reply-To: <416B831F39FF44E8A9019D6B8F86AE09@NewDell>
References: <416B831F39FF44E8A9019D6B8F86AE09@NewDell>
Message-ID: <02E5813758874D0EA8C28B57BD03E1D8@awtigerPC>

Thanks, Jerry!  Andy Walker here from Edmond, OK...we're not used to this 
kind of weather!!!  What's more, we hate this stuff!!!!  Needless to say, 
the Tiger is sittin' right where he was the last time I parked him...and 
he's not gonna venture out in this stuff!!  Hope everyone is well, warm and 
dry.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jrv309 at charter.net>
To: "Tiger News Group" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Stay warm!


>I hate to bomb the list, but to all our friends in Tiger land that are
> hunkered down due to the Big Snow Storm, stay warm, dry and if possible
> indoors.  We wish you all, health, safety and warmth with all our hearts.
> Being a retired policeman and having worked in that type of weather, be
> thankful for your Police, Fire and EMS.  Jerry, Marlene, the Candy Apple 
> Tiger
> and a Host of Tiger Folks that keep you in our thoughts  and prayers.
> _______________________________________________
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  1 18:09:52 2011
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:09:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Storm????
Message-ID: <409574.33147.qm@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Storm?  What Storm?  I have been riding around today with the top
down....Ususal beach weather here in Florida !

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 19:28:33 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:28:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Honeybourne mouldings hardtops
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinT027nNjNAK3LT1HDkcoNWqTLAC2EPTDo4DQ7r@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinT027nNjNAK3LT1HDkcoNWqTLAC2EPTDo4DQ7r@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=HDKyiCz0hKQw5V_2ZThJBi3Ej-8uwEHMLN5be@mail.gmail.com>

For the U.S. guys, I did a bit of checking with the company, they're telling
me it'll cost almost as much to ship a top here, including packaging and
import fees, as it will to buy one. So if you're thinkin' about it, consider
going in with a buddy and buy two, and split the shipping.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:

> We were all discussing the HM hardtops from the Uk, here are some better
> pics courtesy of Tony Tomaselli of the STOC
>
> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1673.jpg
> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1679.jpg
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 20:34:44 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 22:34:44 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Storm????
Message-ID: <11717.3f0fa015.3a7a2ad4@aol.com>

Time to get the sled out of the garage 600ccs 125 hp 450lbs, whats not to  
like when we got snow..........................ski doo  time

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 20:56:38 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 22:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Honeybourne mouldings hardtops
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=HDKyiCz0hKQw5V_2ZThJBi3Ej-8uwEHMLN5be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinT027nNjNAK3LT1HDkcoNWqTLAC2EPTDo4DQ7r@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=HDKyiCz0hKQw5V_2ZThJBi3Ej-8uwEHMLN5be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJ2ons=-8_6st7FMK8n-k3CngDRdWfTRU9RnWq@mail.gmail.com>

i'm shipping a jaguar c-type in a crate from uk to new york in a
couple of months if anyone wants to exploit my crate with a hard top
it may be an option.   i may order one myself too...

sadly my tiger is already here in customs clearance so sticking one on
that is no longer an option.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:
> For the U.S. guys, I did a bit of checking with the company, they're telling
> me it'll cost almost as much to ship a top here, including packaging and
> import fees, as it will to buy one. So if you're thinkin' about it, consider
> going in with a buddy and buy two, and split the shipping.
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> We were all discussing the HM hardtops from the Uk, here are some better
>> pics courtesy of Tony Tomaselli of the STOC
>>
>> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1673.jpg
>> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1679.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>>
>> Michael King
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 21:02:38 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:02:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Stay warm!
In-Reply-To: <02E5813758874D0EA8C28B57BD03E1D8@awtigerPC>
References: <416B831F39FF44E8A9019D6B8F86AE09@NewDell>
	<02E5813758874D0EA8C28B57BD03E1D8@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinPTnq5D4crx1wZZvGE6r171BP4WcJUWX3HSVtu@mail.gmail.com>

my poor tiger and my immaculate mini are sitting on the dock in newark
NJ, awaiting the approval of customs before i can touch them!

the tiger can take the abuse but the mini was damaged last time a bird
shat on it overnight despite me running out at dawn to clean off the
damage!



On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM, awtiger <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:
> Thanks, Jerry!  Andy Walker here from Edmond, OK...we're not used to this
> kind of weather!!!  What's more, we hate this stuff!!!!  Needless to say,
> the Tiger is sittin' right where he was the last time I parked him...and
> he's not gonna venture out in this stuff!!  Hope everyone is well, warm and
> dry.
>
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <jrv309 at charter.net>
> To: "Tiger News Group" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:03 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Stay warm!
>
>
>> I hate to bomb the list, but to all our friends in Tiger land that are
>> hunkered down due to the Big Snow Storm, stay warm, dry and if possible
>> indoors.  We wish you all, health, safety and warmth with all our hearts.
>> Being a retired policeman and having worked in that type of weather, be
>> thankful for your Police, Fire and EMS.  Jerry, Marlene, the Candy Apple
>> Tiger
>> and a Host of Tiger Folks that keep you in our thoughts  and prayers.
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Tue Feb  1 22:08:11 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 22:08:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
References: <11717.3f0fa015.3a7a2ad4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <845DDCFE4132406FA70D15BBA430A468@BobsDell>

I'm having trouble figuring out how the wiring is supposed to go on my wiper 
motor.  I didn't do a good job of lableing wires when I took the car apart 
years ago.

>From my workshop manual it looks like:
Green - V+
Black - Ground

Brown/LightGreen and Red/LightGreen go to the wiper switch.  The switch 
looks like it connects to ground.

So.. does this thing work by grounding either Brown/LG or Red/LG?

Thanks for the help.
Bob

PS - currently here in Longmont Colorado it is -8F brrr (it was 64 on 
Friday!) 

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  1 23:34:57 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 22:34:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <845DDCFE4132406FA70D15BBA430A468@BobsDell>
Message-ID: <836886.30686.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob- CAT sells a great laminated wiring diagram. I highly reccomend it for any
Tiger owner, except you more fortunate Mk2 owners as Mk1 is on one side and
Mk1a the other. The wipers do operate thru the ground IMS. The gren wire is
from the fuse block. There is a ground wire on both the motor marked as E and
the switch, The two wires, Brown /light green & Red/light green plug in at the
motor and go to the switch. The switch also has a black wire going to
ground.The switches have numbers on the back and althoughh there are 8 numbers
the switches have 5 lugs. Now all switches might not be the same but the two I
have in my hand show #1 at the top and Im going by the 2 holes in the switchs
face to refer to the switch as the 2 holes being at the top with the switch so
turned. 2 is blank beside of 1,
3&4 is the top lug on th back and 5,6 the next one down and at the bottom 7 is
on the right and 8 the left and that is looking at the switch as tho in the
dash. the drawing shows the brown with lg stripe on lug 4. The red with lg
stripe shows it on 1,2,3 and 7. I imaangine there is continuiy between these
lugs and the ground goes to number 6. Hope this helps.
The drawing also states this switch as being up side down, so #1 and the 2
holes in the front of the switch are both at the bottom.

--- On Tue, 2/1/11, Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 11:08 PM
> I'm having trouble figuring out how
> the wiring is supposed to go on my wiper motor.  I
> didn't do a good job of lableing wires when I took the car
> apart years ago.
>
> > From my workshop manual it looks like:
> Green - V+
> Black - Ground
>
> Brown/LightGreen and Red/LightGreen go to the wiper
> switch.  The switch looks like it connects to ground.
>
> So.. does this thing work by grounding either Brown/LG or
> Red/LG?
>
> Thanks for the help.
> Bob
>
> PS - currently here in Longmont Colorado it is -8F brrr (it
> was 64 on Friday!)
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  2 06:02:55 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:02:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Stay warm!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinPTnq5D4crx1wZZvGE6r171BP4WcJUWX3HSVtu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <416B831F39FF44E8A9019D6B8F86AE09@NewDell>
	<02E5813758874D0EA8C28B57BD03E1D8@awtigerPC>
	<AANLkTinPTnq5D4crx1wZZvGE6r171BP4WcJUWX3HSVtu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0B05D1-5CAD-48A4-BBDE-B25164F256FA@yahoo.com>

owen - did you figure out a ny garage for storage?

On Feb 1, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote:

> my poor tiger and my immaculate mini are sitting on the dock in newark
> NJ, awaiting the approval of customs before i can touch them!
>
> the tiger can take the abuse but the mini was damaged last time a bird
> shat on it overnight despite me running out at dawn to clean off the
> damage!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM, awtiger <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:
>> Thanks, Jerry!  Andy Walker here from Edmond, OK...we're not used to this
>> kind of weather!!!  What's more, we hate this stuff!!!!  Needless to say,
>> the Tiger is sittin' right where he was the last time I parked him...and
>> he's not gonna venture out in this stuff!!  Hope everyone is well, warm
and
>> dry.
>>
>> Andy Walker
>> Edmond, OK
>> B382001600LRXFE
>> TAC #740
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <jrv309 at charter.net>
>> To: "Tiger News Group" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:03 PM
>> Subject: [Tigers] Stay warm!
>>
>>
>>> I hate to bomb the list, but to all our friends in Tiger land that are
>>> hunkered down due to the Big Snow Storm, stay warm, dry and if possible
>>> indoors.  We wish you all, health, safety and warmth with all our hearts.
>>> Being a retired policeman and having worked in that type of weather, be
>>> thankful for your Police, Fire and EMS.  Jerry, Marlene, the Candy Apple
>>> Tiger
>>> and a Host of Tiger Folks that keep you in our thoughts  and prayers.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tigers at autox.team.net
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>>
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  2 06:08:49 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:08:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Honeybourne mouldings hardtops
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=HDKyiCz0hKQw5V_2ZThJBi3Ej-8uwEHMLN5be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinT027nNjNAK3LT1HDkcoNWqTLAC2EPTDo4DQ7r@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=HDKyiCz0hKQw5V_2ZThJBi3Ej-8uwEHMLN5be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E74FE994-ED96-4296-B51A-0AAADAA51C0B@yahoo.com>

can anyone vouch for the quality and accuracy of these repros?  do they
include windows, seals, liner, etc for the 345  lbs sterling?

maybe we do a group order, i might be interested.

On Feb 1, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Tom Parker wrote:

> For the U.S. guys, I did a bit of checking with the company, they're
telling
> me it'll cost almost as much to ship a top here, including packaging and
> import fees, as it will to buy one. So if you're thinkin' about it,
consider
> going in with a buddy and buy two, and split the shipping.
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM, michael king
<michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> We were all discussing the HM hardtops from the Uk, here are some better
>> pics courtesy of Tony Tomaselli of the STOC
>>
>> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1673.jpg
>> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1679.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>>
>> Michael King
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From simer.frank at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 08:07:39 2011
From: simer.frank at gmail.com (Frank Simer)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 09:07:39 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Storm????
In-Reply-To: <11717.3f0fa015.3a7a2ad4@aol.com>
References: <11717.3f0fa015.3a7a2ad4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tJKKUxQtddHSaiK8jWEf2V_Y=zS9qZLBJ+ifu@mail.gmail.com>

Here is one way we cope in Minnesota - not many convertibles on
this circuit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpDFuVdu6e4

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpDFuVdu6e4>Frank
Minneapolis

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:34 PM, <PhastPhill at aol.com> wrote:

> Time to get the sled out of the garage 600ccs 125 hp 450lbs, whats not to
> like when we got snow..........................ski doo  time
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Wed Feb  2 09:00:18 2011
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:00:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] mecum tiger
Message-ID: <001a01cbc2f2$4af25220$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

my only comment to the price would be that with no hardtop and aftermarket non
period wheels I'm surprised at the price,,but may be I shouldn't be,  if you
can afford 80k for the car what's a few more K's for the top and wheels,,
Clyde

From sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Wed Feb  2 11:06:42 2011
From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Steve Halbrook)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:06:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers
In-Reply-To: <125005.3808.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD8FCF5C4C02BA-724-9FC6@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com><283728.31719.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000301cbc238$13812920$3a837b60$@rr.com>
	<125005.3808.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD911B145F07C1-1DE0-BC40@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com>

I have used the Comp Cam rockers with the Chrome GT Valve Covers on 2 260s and
only had to slightly flatten them for clearance.

Steve Halbrook






-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>
To: Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>; tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Roller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers


Duke -
As other have said you have to knock out one or more of the baffles in
he
overs. I have not tried the magnums, but with the shaft rockers I could
et
hem to fit with just a second gasket. The Shaft Rockers are lower
rofile a bit
hen the stud mount but they get into the cover at the ends
here the shaft is
olted on. I like the old chrome jobs too ;)
Sandy
_______________________________
rom: Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
o:
igers at autox.team.net
ent: Tue, February 1, 2011 9:47:20 AM
ubject: [Tigers]
oller Rockers and Chrome Valve Covers
Hello all,
Hunkered down during the
lizzard outside.  Getting ready to go in the
arage an polish the hard top
ad marks out of my paint.
Anyway.... I have AFR 185 aluminum heads with COMP
ams Pro Magnum Rocker
rms which are chromemoly steel and are a smaller
rofile that aluminum
oller rockers.  I really, really want to use my chrome
alve covers with
hem.  Tom Hall has a 1/4 spacer that I plan on using
etween the VCs and
he heads.
Question - has anyone out there been
uccessful with chrome valve covers and
oller rockers?
TIA!
Duke
82002037
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 11:42:31 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:42:31 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Storm????
Message-ID: <7d0b6.4fadcb47.3a7aff97@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/2/2011 10:23:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
simer.frank at gmail.com writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpDFuVdu6e4




thats way to easy I ice raced motorcycles for years, sheet metal screws and 
 an extra tire liner to help hold the screws you would not believe how much 
 traction you can get with a good stud pattern we would spend  hours 
sliding  like king kenny on frozen lakes

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  2 12:38:32 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:38:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner
Message-ID: <602568.33404.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can anyone confirm that the LAT cam and F4B intake came with an Edelbrock air cleaner? Seems I saw a pic in the BON but I no longer own a copy to confirm.
TIA
TtT

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  2 12:49:29 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:49:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Storm????
In-Reply-To: <7d0b6.4fadcb47.3a7aff97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <438855.6381.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Competitive drifting.

--- On Wed, 2/2/11, PhastPhill at aol.com <PhastPhill at aol.com> wrote:


From: PhastPhill at aol.com <PhastPhill at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Storm????
To: simer.frank at gmail.com, Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 10:42 AM


In a message dated 2/2/2011 10:23:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
simer.frank at gmail.com writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpDFuVdu6e4




thats way to easy I ice raced motorcycles for years, sheet metal screws and
an extra tire liner to help hold the screws you would not believe how much
traction you can get with a good stud pattern we would spend  hours
sliding  like king kenny on frozen lakes
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb  2 13:28:13 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:28:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner
In-Reply-To: <602568.33404.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60BBD178604F44C48CD26AE50A2126D0@ronpc1>

Tony
	There is a listing on TigersUnited.com

LAT 1 is a 4bbl intake manifold, 4bbl carb, air cleaner, gaskets and hoses.
TBON states that the air cleaner was an 8 1/2 inch Hellings & Stellings
unit.  This air cleaner had clearance problems with the Hi Riser manifold.

Later the intake manifold was changed to the F4B.

The LAT 1 Stage 1 Tuning Kit has 4bbl intake manifold, 4bbl carb, solid
lifter cam and parts, dual point distributor and a SUN 7000 RPM Tach.  No
mention is made about the air cleaner.

I would guess that when Edelbrock supplied the F4B intake they also supplied
an air cleaner but I don't know and TBON does not indicate a specific air
cleaner.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Beamclub
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner


Can anyone confirm that the LAT cam and F4B intake came with an Edelbrock
air cleaner? Seems I saw a pic in the BON but I no longer own a copy to
confirm. TIA TtT _______________________________________________
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  2 13:59:47 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 12:59:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner
In-Reply-To: <60BBD178604F44C48CD26AE50A2126D0@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <251494.80337.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I would guess that when Edelbrock supplied the F4B intake
> they also supplied
> an air cleaner but I don't know and TBON does not indicate
> a specific air
> cleaner

 Thanks Ron. This is where my desire to learn falls. If Edelbrock supplied a small triangle shaped but rounded air cleaner with the F4B?
TtT

From rande at thecia.net  Wed Feb  2 14:36:14 2011
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:36:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] warm out here
Message-ID: <4d49ce4e.5e86.0@thecia.net>

Not to gloat over weather, while home (Boston) is enjoying? so much snow, I
couldn't see the garage door, nevermind check on 
Tiger  before I left, and Golf and BMW are buried, here in Porter Ranch (LA),
they're suffering through a slight chill (60 F), slight wind and cloudless skies.
Haven't seen any Tigers on the road here, just a daily driver '67 Cougar.

RB

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Wed Feb  2 14:42:04 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 13:42:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <836886.30686.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <836886.30686.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D49CFAC.3060009@socal.rr.com>

Tony,

Why _*buy*_ a full color wiring diagram when you can have one _*FREE*_!  
Since you can reprint it as many times as ink and paper last, you don't 
even need to laminate it.  Stationary stores sell plastic sleeves.

There is a complete Rootes Factory Workshop Manual, courtesy of Jim 
Boynton, and wiring pages from Bill Gegg,  in full color.

Go to:

http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp

and "click" on image for LARGE IMAGE.

*BTW, the entire workshop manual, of which this is a page, can be found at:
*
http://tigersunited.com/resources/

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that this great resource, 
*TigersUnited.com* <http://TigersUnited.com> , is the LAST place the 
"List" checks out, instead of the first.  What am I missing?

Steve


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/1/11 10:34 PM, Tony Somebody wrote:
> /Bob- CAT sells a great laminated wiring diagram. I highly reccomend it for any
> Tiger owner, except you more fortunate Mk2 owners as Mk1 is on one side and
> Mk1a the other. The wipers do operate thru the ground IMS. The gren wire is
> from the fuse block. There is a ground wire on both the motor marked as E and
> the switch, The two wires, Brown /light green&  Red/light green plug in at the
> motor and go to the switch. The switch also has a black wire going to
> ground.The switches have numbers on the back and althoughh there are 8 numbers
> the switches have 5 lugs. Now all switches might not be the same but the two I
> have in my hand show #1 at the top and Im going by the 2 holes in the switchs
> face to refer to the switch as the 2 holes being at the top with the switch so
> turned. 2 is blank beside of 1,
> 3&4 is the top lug on th back and 5,6 the next one down and at the bottom 7 is
> on the right and 8 the left and that is looking at the switch as tho in the
> dash. the drawing shows the brown with lg stripe on lug 4. The red with lg
> stripe shows it on 1,2,3 and 7. I imaangine there is continuiy between these
> lugs and the ground goes to number 6. Hope this helps.
> The drawing also states this switch as being up side down, so #1 and the 2
> holes in the front of the switch are both at the bottom.
> /
/
/

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Wed Feb  2 14:59:27 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 13:59:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] warm out here
In-Reply-To: <4d49ce4e.5e86.0@thecia.net>
References: <4d49ce4e.5e86.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <4D49D3BF.3090709@socal.rr.com>

Well, Rande,

Maybe THAT is why so many of the unrestored, rust free, Tigers (and 
other collectible cars) come from Southern California.  Not many places 
salt their roads, here, unless it's in a mountain area that actually has 
snow on the road.  Ski Resorts and the ski runs make most of their own snow!

Look where Wayne Carini (Chasing Classic Cars) on the Discovery Channel 
goes to buy and sell his cars! here.

http://dhd.discovery.com/tv/chasing-classic-cars/chasing-classic-cars.html

Steve


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/2/11 1:36 PM, rande wrote:
> Not to gloat over weather, while home (Boston) is enjoying? so much snow, I
> couldn't see the garage door, nevermind check on
> Tiger  before I left, and Golf and BMW are buried, here in Porter Ranch (LA),
> they're suffering through a slight chill (60 F), slight wind and cloudless skies.
> Haven't seen any Tigers on the road here, just a daily driver '67 Cougar.
>
> RB
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  2 15:00:18 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:00:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <4D49CFAC.3060009@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <861281.17587.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve- All I can say in answer is "my ignorance". At the last Tiger United
they where being sold cheap and I carry mine in the car fo those times it is
needed.I wasn't aware of the one on TU but I promise all your and other doners
work to the site is deeply appreciated by me and everyone else I'm certain.
So, in retrospect, go to TU and print a color copy.
regards, Tony
PS- I have no idea why this is in blue.

--- On Wed, 2/2/11, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:


From: Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
To: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>, "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 3:42 PM


Tony,

Why buy a full color wiring diagram when you can have one FREE!  Since you can
reprint it as many times as ink and paper last, you don't even need to
laminate it.  Stationary stores sell plastic sleeves.

There is a complete Rootes Factory Workshop Manual, courtesy of Jim Boynton,
and wiring pages from Bill Gegg,  in full color.

Go to:

http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp

and "click" on image for LARGE IMAGE.

BTW, the entire workshop manual, of which this is a page, can be found at:

http://tigersunited.com/resources/

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that this great resource, TigersUnited.com ,
is the LAST place the "List" checks out, instead of the first.  What am I
missing?

Steve




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Editor - TigersUnited.com


On 2/1/11 10:34 PM, Tony Somebody wrote:
Bob- CAT sells a great laminated wiring diagram. I highly reccomend it for
any
Tiger owner, except you more fortunate Mk2 owners as Mk1 is on one side and
Mk1a the other. The wipers do operate thru the ground IMS. The gren wire is
from the fuse block. There is a ground wire on both the motor marked as E and
the switch, The two wires, Brown /light green & Red/light green plug in at
the
motor and go to the switch. The switch also has a black wire going to
ground.The switches have numbers on the back and althoughh there are 8
numbers
the switches have 5 lugs. Now all switches might not be the same but the two
I
have in my hand show #1 at the top and Im going by the 2 holes in the switchs
face to refer to the switch as the 2 holes being at the top with the switch
so
turned. 2 is blank beside of 1,
3&4 is the top lug on th back and 5,6 the next one down and at the bottom 7
is
on the right and 8 the left and that is looking at the switch as tho in the
dash. the drawing shows the brown with lg stripe on lug 4. The red with lg
stripe shows it on 1,2,3 and 7. I imaangine there is continuiy between these
lugs and the ground goes to number 6. Hope this helps.
The drawing also states this switch as being up side down, so #1 and the 2
holes in the front of the switch are both at the bottom.

From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Feb  2 15:17:46 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:17:46 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <4D49CFAC.3060009@socal.rr.com>
References: <836886.30686.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4D49CFAC.3060009@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <75abfe1c63c1a09dd7d4677590a1017c@localhost>

Thanks for the details.  I have a hard copy of the Rootes Factory
Workshop Manual and that is what I was going off of.  The color diagram
on the Tigers United page does not seem to indicate which terminals on
the switch to attach the wires so it didn't help me even though it is
pretty.

I just wanted to make sure I understood how it works.  I'll Ohm out my
switch tonight to see which terminals connect to what at the different
position of the switch.  I'm not confident the correct switches were
with my Tiger when I got it.

Since it doesn't seem to be explained anywhere I can find, is one of
the wires grounded in one position and the other wire grounded in the
second postion?  Or, is one of the wires grounded in one position and
both wires grounded in the second position.  These switches seem to
allow either way.  

I'll do some experimenting tonight.

Thanks,
Bob



On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 13:42:04 -0800, Steve Laifman
<slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Tony,
> 
> Why _*buy*_ a full color wiring diagram when you can have one _*FREE*_!  
> Since you can reprint it as many times as ink and paper last, you don't 
> even need to laminate it.  Stationary stores sell plastic sleeves.
> 
> There is a complete Rootes Factory Workshop Manual, courtesy of Jim 
> Boynton, and wiring pages from Bill Gegg,  in full color.
> 
> Go to:
> 
> http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp
> 
> and "click" on image for LARGE IMAGE.
> 
> *BTW, the entire workshop manual, of which this is a page, can be found at:
> *
> http://tigersunited.com/resources/
> 
> Maybe it's just me, but it seems that this great resource, 
> *TigersUnited.com* <http://TigersUnited.com> , is the LAST place the 
> "List" checks out, instead of the first.  What am I missing?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> /Steve Laifman/
> 
> /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/1/11 10:34 PM, Tony Somebody wrote:
>> /Bob- CAT sells a great laminated wiring diagram. I highly reccomend it for any
>> Tiger owner, except you more fortunate Mk2 owners as Mk1 is on one side and
>> Mk1a the other. The wipers do operate thru the ground IMS. The gren wire is
>> from the fuse block. There is a ground wire on both the motor marked as E and
>> the switch, The two wires, Brown /light green&  Red/light green plug in at the
>> motor and go to the switch. The switch also has a black wire going to
>> ground.The switches have numbers on the back and althoughh there are 8 numbers
>> the switches have 5 lugs. Now all switches might not be the same but the two I
>> have in my hand show #1 at the top and Im going by the 2 holes in the switchs
>> face to refer to the switch as the 2 holes being at the top with the switch so
>> turned. 2 is blank beside of 1,
>> 3&4 is the top lug on th back and 5,6 the next one down and at the bottom 7 is
>> on the right and 8 the left and that is looking at the switch as tho in the
>> dash. the drawing shows the brown with lg stripe on lug 4. The red with lg
>> stripe shows it on 1,2,3 and 7. I imaangine there is continuiy between these
>> lugs and the ground goes to number 6. Hope this helps.
>> The drawing also states this switch as being up side down, so #1 and the 2
>> holes in the front of the switch are both at the bottom.
>> /
> /
> /
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Feb  2 15:30:21 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:30:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <75abfe1c63c1a09dd7d4677590a1017c@localhost>
References: <836886.30686.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4D49CFAC.3060009@socal.rr.com>
	<75abfe1c63c1a09dd7d4677590a1017c@localhost>
Message-ID: <3af542219a691d9376d3151f70049968@localhost>

Looking at the nice color drawing more closely it looks like Red goes
to 3 and Brown to 2.  I'm not blind, I just can't see.


On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:17:46 -0700, Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
wrote:
> Thanks for the details.  I have a hard copy of the Rootes Factory
> Workshop Manual and that is what I was going off of.  The color diagram
> on the Tigers United page does not seem to indicate which terminals on
> the switch to attach the wires so it didn't help me even though it is
> pretty.
> 
> I just wanted to make sure I understood how it works.  I'll Ohm out my
> switch tonight to see which terminals connect to what at the different
> position of the switch.  I'm not confident the correct switches were
> with my Tiger when I got it.
> 
> Since it doesn't seem to be explained anywhere I can find, is one of
> the wires grounded in one position and the other wire grounded in the
> second postion?  Or, is one of the wires grounded in one position and
> both wires grounded in the second position.  These switches seem to
> allow either way.  
> 
> I'll do some experimenting tonight.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 15:32:04 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 09:32:04 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Honeybourne mouldings hardtops
In-Reply-To: <E74FE994-ED96-4296-B51A-0AAADAA51C0B@yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinT027nNjNAK3LT1HDkcoNWqTLAC2EPTDo4DQ7r@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=HDKyiCz0hKQw5V_2ZThJBi3Ej-8uwEHMLN5be@mail.gmail.com>
	<E74FE994-ED96-4296-B51A-0AAADAA51C0B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZDhMkA7w1QYdLy6y5Ea7F4-SSreoGeSEoQ5M3@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

Its my understanding they have the windows etc.. but they are not operable,
there is also a thicker area around the wind ups.. they are not exact
repros, they are a decent match for the overall shape. Fixings are
turnbuckle.. but as mentioed before.. some have addapted the factory
fixings.

On 3 February 2011 00:08, Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> can anyone vouch for the quality and accuracy of these repros?  do they
> include windows, seals, liner, etc for the 345  lbs sterling?
>
> maybe we do a group order, i might be interested.
>
> On Feb 1, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Tom Parker wrote:
>
> > For the U.S. guys, I did a bit of checking with the company, they're
> telling
> > me it'll cost almost as much to ship a top here, including packaging and
> > import fees, as it will to buy one. So if you're thinkin' about it,
> consider
> > going in with a buddy and buy two, and split the shipping.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> We were all discussing the HM hardtops from the Uk, here are some better
> >> pics courtesy of Tony Tomaselli of the STOC
> >>
> >>
> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1673.jpg
> >>
> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/tomaselli/2010%20Tiger/IMG_1679.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Michael King
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Tigers at autox.team.net
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> >
>
>


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 15:53:39 2011
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 17:53:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner
Message-ID: <47ba2.375aaf4b.3a7b3a73@aol.com>

Back in 68 I bought the lat 1 set up, and a set of visors from a  dealer in 
Santa Monica. Total was about $150.00 for all. It didn't have a air  
cleaner I used the stock one no problems with hood.
 
 
In a message dated 2/2/2011 1:05:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
achd73 at yahoo.com writes:

> I  would guess that when Edelbrock supplied the F4B intake
> they also  supplied
> an air cleaner but I don't know and TBON does not  indicate
> a specific air
> cleaner

Thanks Ron. This is  where my desire to learn falls. If Edelbrock supplied 
a small triangle shaped  but rounded air cleaner with the  F4B?
TtT
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From gabbardalex at att.net  Wed Feb  2 15:59:04 2011
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:59:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner
In-Reply-To: <602568.33404.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <602568.33404.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <269401.38498.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
I have 1966 LAT brochure packet sheets of the F4B and the cam kit. Neither 
include a different air cleaner. Many years ago when Tiger editor for SAAC, I 
tabulated LAT options in an issue of the club magazine. (I believe this to be 
the first such tabulation of LAT options.) None include a different air cleaner. 
My Mk I has its original AC top and bottom with original AC filter. I believe 
this combination to be definitive Tiger hardware. 
Alex Gabbard
B9471808



________________________________
From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
To: Beamclub <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:38:32 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner

Can anyone confirm that the LAT cam and F4B intake came with an Edelbrock air 
cleaner? Seems I saw a pic in the BON but I no longer own a copy to confirm.
TIA
TtT
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb  2 17:45:47 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 19:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <3af542219a691d9376d3151f70049968@localhost>
Message-ID: <7592C5C029DB46B99C28270439BAD274@ronpc1>

	The majority of these switches have a lug at positions:1,4,6,7,8.
These positions are marked near each lug.

The wire diagram I use shows:
RLG wire to #1
NLG wire to #4
Ground wire to #6

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bob Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:30 PM
To: Bob Dixon
Cc: Tiger's Den
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring


Looking at the nice color drawing more closely it looks like Red goes to 3
and Brown to 2.  I'm not blind, I just can't see.


On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:17:46 -0700, Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
wrote:
> Thanks for the details.  I have a hard copy of the Rootes Factory 
> Workshop Manual and that is what I was going off of.  The color 
> diagram on the Tigers United page does not seem to indicate which 
> terminals on the switch to attach the wires so it didn't help me even 
> though it is pretty.
> 
> I just wanted to make sure I understood how it works.  I'll Ohm out my 
> switch tonight to see which terminals connect to what at the different 
> position of the switch.  I'm not confident the correct switches were 
> with my Tiger when I got it.
> 
> Since it doesn't seem to be explained anywhere I can find, is one of 
> the wires grounded in one position and the other wire grounded in the 
> second postion?  Or, is one of the wires grounded in one position and 
> both wires grounded in the second position.  These switches seem to 
> allow either way.
> 
> I'll do some experimenting tonight.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Wed Feb  2 18:00:58 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:00:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner
In-Reply-To: <47ba2.375aaf4b.3a7b3a73@aol.com>
References: <47ba2.375aaf4b.3a7b3a73@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D49FE4A.20904@socal.rr.com>

The LAT Edelbrock intake manifold was manufactured by Edelbrock (F4B 
version), with changes for the Tiger plumbing.  This version was only 
sold by Tiger LAT dealers.

The LAT air cleaner was a stock Tiger air cleaner that had only the top 
lid chromed.  Other bits and pieces used some other chrome bits. (Valve 
cover breather, dipstick)

Check these out with the official Rootes Accessories price catalogs 
(from David and Gary Franchi).

http://tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/DealerAccessCat.asp

and the Dealer LAT Accessories Brochure:

http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/lat.asp

You may have noticed that some of the LAT items do not have a link to 
the accessories that are NOT be highlighted in RED. The official LAT 
pages are needed to complete these.  Anyone have the advertising 
literature.  At the least, some good pictures would be of help.

Steve
/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/2/11 2:53 PM, AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote:
> Back in 68 I bought the lat 1 set up, and a set of visors from a  dealer in
> Santa Monica. Total was about $150.00 for all. It didn't have a air
> cleaner I used the stock one no problems with hood.
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2011 1:05:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> achd73 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>> I  would guess that when Edelbrock supplied the F4B intake
>> they also  supplied
>> an air cleaner but I don't know and TBON does not  indicate
>> a specific air
>> cleaner
> Thanks Ron. This is  where my desire to learn falls. If Edelbrock supplied
> a small triangle shaped  but rounded air cleaner with the  F4B?
> TtT

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Wed Feb  2 18:09:49 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:09:49 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: LAT cam F4B and air cleaner
In-Reply-To: <269401.38498.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <602568.33404.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<269401.38498.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D4A005D.9090603@socal.rr.com>

Alex,

The air cleaner is LAT-2 Engine Dress Up Kit, which includes the 
aluminum valve covers.

The Air Cleaner, with this kit, is the stock hammertone air cleaner 
finish, except for the top lid, which was chromed.

http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-lat2.asp

Another point worth mentioning is the original air cleaner hold-down was 
NOT a "wing nut", but a normal hexagonal nut.

Steve

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/2/11 2:59 PM, Gabbard Gabbard wrote:
> Hello all,
> I have 1966 LAT brochure packet sheets of the F4B and the cam kit. Neither
> include a different air cleaner. Many years ago when Tiger editor for SAAC, I
> tabulated LAT options in an issue of the club magazine. (I believe this to be
> the first such tabulation of LAT options.) None include a different air cleaner.
> My Mk I has its original AC top and bottom with original AC filter. I believe
> this combination to be definitive Tiger hardware.
> Alex Gabbard
> B9471808

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 18:47:02 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 12:47:02 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=cWpmO-Sm-FeiGbkTkjkegBzux0oewS0-AokhB@mail.gmail.com>

I know this has been covered a few times, that there were 2 edelbrock
manifolds that were used for the LAT options, but something that caught my
eye last week when i was looking through the graham rood book "works tigers"
was the manifold listed and photographed for the SCCA eligible options for
the tiger.

If memory serves me the LAT options early on were developed by HSC and doane
spencer to get the race tiger up and going. It shows a photo of what looks
like the HSC vented and hooded bonnet, the halibrand wheels and 4 wheel disc
setup along with the custom large fuel tank in the boot. The manifold was
what caught my eye... it is the early style 4BBL with 4 raised ports for the
carb, but it was lettered "TIGER" like the early cobra intakes.

Now i know there are 3 aftermarket "TIGER" lettered manifolds, and
apparently none were LAT options, but its interesting that one of them is
the one in the photo for the SCCA documents. Also the halibrands look like
the ones shelby ran on his tiger and different to the HSC kidney bean ones,
is it possible that the mfg of the "COBRA" lettered manifolds was asked to
do the TIGER one for the shelby tiger?

-- 
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Michael King

From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Feb  2 21:18:22 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 21:18:22 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
References: <7592C5C029DB46B99C28270439BAD274@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <F0C555269C644830951ABC62EC07907E@BobsDell>

That worked! Ron has it.  I'll be writing that down in my manual.

Thanks a million,
Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Bob Dixon'" <bobdixon at frii.com>
Cc: "'Tiger's Den'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring


> The majority of these switches have a lug at positions:1,4,6,7,8.
> These positions are marked near each lug.
>
> The wire diagram I use shows:
> RLG wire to #1
> NLG wire to #4
> Ground wire to #6
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Bob Dixon
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:30 PM
> To: Bob Dixon
> Cc: Tiger's Den
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
>
>
> Looking at the nice color drawing more closely it looks like Red goes to 3
> and Brown to 2.  I'm not blind, I just can't see.
>
>
> On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:17:46 -0700, Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
> wrote:
>> Thanks for the details.  I have a hard copy of the Rootes Factory
>> Workshop Manual and that is what I was going off of.  The color
>> diagram on the Tigers United page does not seem to indicate which
>> terminals on the switch to attach the wires so it didn't help me even
>> though it is pretty.
>>
>> I just wanted to make sure I understood how it works.  I'll Ohm out my
>> switch tonight to see which terminals connect to what at the different
>> position of the switch.  I'm not confident the correct switches were
>> with my Tiger when I got it.
>>
>> Since it doesn't seem to be explained anywhere I can find, is one of
>> the wires grounded in one position and the other wire grounded in the
>> second postion?  Or, is one of the wires grounded in one position and
>> both wires grounded in the second position.  These switches seem to
>> allow either way.
>>
>> I'll do some experimenting tonight.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb  2 21:57:19 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 23:57:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=cWpmO-Sm-FeiGbkTkjkegBzux0oewS0-AokhB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E3809492605648D4B98C01A3AF4967F6@ronpc1>

Michael
	Shelby American was involved with the 2nd prototype.  Ian Garrad was
well aware of the Cobra parts that they made available for the small block
Ford engine.  Many of the LAT parts have corresponding Shelby part numbers
and were made by the same vendor.
	I believe there were several official LAT Tiger lettered intake
manifolds; TBON shows at least 2 of them.  I'm not up on LAT options so my
knowledge here is very limited.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:47 PM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds


I know this has been covered a few times, that there were 2 edelbrock
manifolds that were used for the LAT options, but something that caught my
eye last week when i was looking through the graham rood book "works tigers"
was the manifold listed and photographed for the SCCA eligible options for
the tiger.

If memory serves me the LAT options early on were developed by HSC and doane
spencer to get the race tiger up and going. It shows a photo of what looks
like the HSC vented and hooded bonnet, the halibrand wheels and 4 wheel disc
setup along with the custom large fuel tank in the boot. The manifold was
what caught my eye... it is the early style 4BBL with 4 raised ports for the
carb, but it was lettered "TIGER" like the early cobra intakes.

Now i know there are 3 aftermarket "TIGER" lettered manifolds, and
apparently none were LAT options, but its interesting that one of them is
the one in the photo for the SCCA documents. Also the halibrands look like
the ones shelby ran on his tiger and different to the HSC kidney bean ones,
is it possible that the mfg of the "COBRA" lettered manifolds was asked to
do the TIGER one for the shelby tiger?

--
Regards

Michael King
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 23:38:53 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:38:53 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
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	<E3809492605648D4B98C01A3AF4967F6@ronpc1>
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Ron,

I was thining more along the lines of shelbys involvement with the first
race tiger (#45) as the lat photos for SCCA homologation show the same
halibrands as used on that car and figured they may have had something to do
with the making of the TIGER manifold.

It was my understanding that the "TIGER" lettered manifolds like the TIGER
filter housings were not LAT but aftermarket.

On 3 February 2011 15:57, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Michael
>        Shelby American was involved with the 2nd prototype.  Ian Garrad was
> well aware of the Cobra parts that they made available for the small block
> Ford engine.  Many of the LAT parts have corresponding Shelby part numbers
> and were made by the same vendor.
>        I believe there were several official LAT Tiger lettered intake
> manifolds; TBON shows at least 2 of them.  I'm not up on LAT options so my
> knowledge here is very limited.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of michael king
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:47 PM
> To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
> Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
>
>
> I know this has been covered a few times, that there were 2 edelbrock
> manifolds that were used for the LAT options, but something that caught my
> eye last week when i was looking through the graham rood book "works
> tigers"
> was the manifold listed and photographed for the SCCA eligible options for
> the tiger.
>
> If memory serves me the LAT options early on were developed by HSC and
> doane
> spencer to get the race tiger up and going. It shows a photo of what looks
> like the HSC vented and hooded bonnet, the halibrand wheels and 4 wheel
> disc
> setup along with the custom large fuel tank in the boot. The manifold was
> what caught my eye... it is the early style 4BBL with 4 raised ports for
> the
> carb, but it was lettered "TIGER" like the early cobra intakes.
>
> Now i know there are 3 aftermarket "TIGER" lettered manifolds, and
> apparently none were LAT options, but its interesting that one of them is
> the one in the photo for the SCCA documents. Also the halibrands look like
> the ones shelby ran on his tiger and different to the HSC kidney bean ones,
> is it possible that the mfg of the "COBRA" lettered manifolds was asked to
> do the TIGER one for the shelby tiger?
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King
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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  3 04:18:28 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 03:18:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <E3809492605648D4B98C01A3AF4967F6@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <533398.80655.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 Ron,Never had access to LAT. My Tiger was sold new  in Xenia, Ohio. The only
DPO installed a Ford 4 barrel carb 600 cfm and manifold. I got the car in 1985
and refreshed drive drain and installed a 360 Holley. I have an  original 2
barrel carb and manifold from John Logan which is In reserve for later
installation. Runs so good with that 360.    Gary Moore  B9472283 tac311

--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
To: "'michael king'" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>, "'Tiger Talk List Tiger'"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 4:57 AM

Michael
    Shelby American was involved with the 2nd prototype.  Ian Garrad was
well aware of the Cobra parts that they made available for the small block
Ford engine.  Many of the LAT parts have corresponding Shelby part numbers
and were made by the same vendor.
    I believe there were several official LAT Tiger lettered intake
manifolds; TBON shows at least 2 of them.  I'm not up on LAT options so my
knowledge here is very limited.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:47 PM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds


I know this has been covered a few times, that there were 2 edelbrock
manifolds that were used for the LAT options, but something that caught my
eye last week when i was looking through the graham rood book "works tigers"
was the manifold listed and photographed for the SCCA eligible options for
the tiger.

If memory serves me the LAT options early on were developed by HSC and doane
spencer to get the race tiger up and going. It shows a photo of what looks
like the HSC vented and hooded bonnet, the halibrand wheels and 4 wheel disc
setup along with the custom large fuel tank in the boot. The manifold was
what caught my eye... it is the early style 4BBL with 4 raised ports for the
carb, but it was lettered "TIGER" like the early cobra intakes.

Now i know there are 3 aftermarket "TIGER" lettered manifolds, and
apparently none were LAT options, but its interesting that one of them is
the one in the photo for the SCCA documents. Also the halibrands look like
the ones shelby ran on his tiger and different to the HSC kidney bean ones,
is it possible that the mfg of the "COBRA" lettered manifolds was asked to
do the TIGER one for the shelby tiger?

--
Regards

Michael King
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From allanballard at att.net  Thu Feb  3 06:29:01 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:29:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <861281.17587.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <861281.17587.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B460C188-F423-4F29-B27F-92C4DE2DFABE@att.net>

CAT also offers a super sized diagram of ONLY the dash which is really
helpful.

If you are focusing on a dash related problem you won't be disappointed.

Allan Ballard
MK1a Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Feb 2, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Tony Somebody wrote:

> Steve- All I can say in answer is "my ignorance". At the last Tiger United
> they where being sold cheap and I carry mine in the car fo those times it
is
> needed.I wasn't aware of the one on TU but I promise all your and other
doners
> work to the site is deeply appreciated by me and everyone else I'm certain.
> So, in retrospect, go to TU and print a color copy.
> regards, Tony
> PS- I have no idea why this is in blue.
>
> --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiper motor wiring
> To: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>, "Tiger's Den"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 3:42 PM
>
>
> Tony,
>
> Why buy a full color wiring diagram when you can have one FREE!  Since you
can
> reprint it as many times as ink and paper last, you don't even need to
> laminate it.  Stationary stores sell plastic sleeves.
>
> There is a complete Rootes Factory Workshop Manual, courtesy of Jim
Boynton,
> and wiring pages from Bill Gegg,  in full color.
>
> Go to:
>
> http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp
>
> and "click" on image for LARGE IMAGE.
>
> BTW, the entire workshop manual, of which this is a page, can be found at:
>
> http://tigersunited.com/resources/
>
> Maybe it's just me, but it seems that this great resource, TigersUnited.com
,
> is the LAST place the "List" checks out, instead of the first.  What am I
> missing?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> #yiv2110788483 p.yiv2110788483p1 {margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px
0.0px;font:14.0px
> 'MS Mincho';min-height:14.0px;}
> #yiv2110788483 p.yiv2110788483p2 {margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px
0.0px;font:12.0px
> Courier;}
> #yiv2110788483 p.yiv2110788483p3 {margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px
0.0px;font:14.0px
> Courier;color:#223cfb;}
> #yiv2110788483 p.yiv2110788483p4 {margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px
0.0px;font:12.0px
> 'MS Mincho';min-height:12.0px;}
> #yiv2110788483 span.yiv2110788483s1 {font:12.0px Courier;color:#000000;}
> #yiv2110788483 span.yiv2110788483s2 {font:14.0px Courier;}
>
>
>
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
>
>
> On 2/1/11 10:34 PM, Tony Somebody wrote:
> Bob- CAT sells a great laminated wiring diagram. I highly reccomend it for
> any
> Tiger owner, except you more fortunate Mk2 owners as Mk1 is on one side and
> Mk1a the other. The wipers do operate thru the ground IMS. The gren wire is
> from the fuse block. There is a ground wire on both the motor marked as E
and
> the switch, The two wires, Brown /light green & Red/light green plug in at
> the
> motor and go to the switch. The switch also has a black wire going to
> ground.The switches have numbers on the back and althoughh there are 8
> numbers
> the switches have 5 lugs. Now all switches might not be the same but the
two
> I
> have in my hand show #1 at the top and Im going by the 2 holes in the
switchs
> face to refer to the switch as the 2 holes being at the top with the switch
> so
> turned. 2 is blank beside of 1,
> 3&4 is the top lug on th back and 5,6 the next one down and at the bottom 7
> is
> on the right and 8 the left and that is looking at the switch as tho in the
> dash. the drawing shows the brown with lg stripe on lug 4. The red with lg
> stripe shows it on 1,2,3 and 7. I imaangine there is continuiy between
these
> lugs and the ground goes to number 6. Hope this helps.
> The drawing also states this switch as being up side down, so #1 and the 2
> holes in the front of the switch are both at the bottom.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Feb  3 06:53:12 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:53:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikqYYB4ETETqziNKEt8whLrQ31ApdL4h0w90qSd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58B3ADCD51234B5AB6CC451C7B244603@ronpc1>

Michael
    Like I said I'm no expert on the LAT options; Norm Miller probably has a
better handle.   My guess is that the majority of players here, worked and
raced cars in California so they knew each other and their businesses.  I'm
sure they all knew who to contact for new part manufacturing.   I believe
Buddy Bar handled some of the LAT parts and I'm sure an LAT vendors list
would look like a who's, who list in California.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:39 AM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT manifolds


Ron,

I was thining more along the lines of shelbys involvement with the first
race tiger (#45) as the lat photos for SCCA homologation show the same
halibrands as used on that car and figured they may have had something to do
with the making of the TIGER manifold.

It was my understanding that the "TIGER" lettered manifolds like the TIGER
filter housings were not LAT but aftermarket.


On 3 February 2011 15:57, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


Michael
       Shelby American was involved with the 2nd prototype.  Ian Garrad was
well aware of the Cobra parts that they made available for the small block
Ford engine.  Many of the LAT parts have corresponding Shelby part numbers
and were made by the same vendor.
       I believe there were several official LAT Tiger lettered intake
manifolds; TBON shows at least 2 of them.  I'm not up on LAT options so my
knowledge here is very limited.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:47 PM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds


I know this has been covered a few times, that there were 2 edelbrock
manifolds that were used for the LAT options, but something that caught my
eye last week when i was looking through the graham rood book "works tigers"
was the manifold listed and photographed for the SCCA eligible options for
the tiger.

If memory serves me the LAT options early on were developed by HSC and doane
spencer to get the race tiger up and going. It shows a photo of what looks
like the HSC vented and hooded bonnet, the halibrand wheels and 4 wheel disc
setup along with the custom large fuel tank in the boot. The manifold was
what caught my eye... it is the early style 4BBL with 4 raised ports for the
carb, but it was lettered "TIGER" like the early cobra intakes.

Now i know there are 3 aftermarket "TIGER" lettered manifolds, and
apparently none were LAT options, but its interesting that one of them is
the one in the photo for the SCCA documents. Also the halibrands look like
the ones shelby ran on his tiger and different to the HSC kidney bean ones,
is it possible that the mfg of the "COBRA" lettered manifolds was asked to
do the TIGER one for the shelby tiger?

--
Regards

Michael King

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From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  3 11:18:15 2011
From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 18:18:15 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Building a street 289
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8816.1296685059.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.8816.1296685059.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w34772B0EF4B8E1F518AFE0DBE70@phx.gbl>

Hi All:

With winter snow deep and crisp and temperatures too low to want to think
about them it is time for a bit of arm chair mechanics.
My TIGER engine has now clocked more than 50,000 miles and is in need of a
refresh. It is a 5-bolt 289 with 302 heads, duel plane intake and Holly 600
cfm vac secondary, stock exhaust, and a single point dizzy. I am presently
running a 30% overdrive top-loader but will be changing to a wide-ratio
4-speed. When I built it I used Tom Monroes How to build a Small Block Ford
as a guide.

My son is a mechanic with CASCAR experience and will build the engine for me
so my expenses will be for machining and parts. He suggested that in planning
the engine I start by asking what others have done for TIGERs as that is best
way to avoid Bad Builds.

I want to run long distances but have decent power (more that what I have
now).
Better fuel economy would be nice. Street-ability is a consideration as well.
Since I am a retired guy on a limited budget I want the best Bang-for-my-Buck.

So my questions:
- What book do you recommend now as a guide to building a 289 considering that
there has been considerable development since Toms book was written in 1978?
- What formula have you found successful  building a street 289 for a TIGER?
- Where would you spend your money?

All help greatly appreciated.

Go far, quickly and safely
Jc

From hunber at bellsouth.net  Thu Feb  3 11:45:49 2011
From: hunber at bellsouth.net (james ellis)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:45:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Building a street 289
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w34772B0EF4B8E1F518AFE0DBE70@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.8816.1296685059.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<SNT138-w34772B0EF4B8E1F518AFE0DBE70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <487753.93515.qm@web180507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The only replacement for cubic inches is rectangular dollars, so were it me 
would go for more displacement and the best heads you can afford.




________________________________
From: John Crawley <alittlemoreink at hotmail.com>
To: LIST TIGER <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 1:18:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Building a street 289

Hi All:

With winter snow deep and crisp and temperatures too low to want to think
about them it is time for a bit of arm chair mechanics.
My TIGER engine has now clocked more than 50,000 miles and is in need of a
refresh. It is a 5-bolt 289 with 302 heads, duel plane intake and Holly 600
cfm vac secondary, stock exhaust, and a single point dizzy. I am presently
running a 30% overdrive top-loader but will be changing to a wide-ratio
4-speed. When I built it I used Tom Monroes How to build a Small Block Ford
as a guide.

My son is a mechanic with CASCAR experience and will build the engine for me
so my expenses will be for machining and parts. He suggested that in planning
the engine I start by asking what others have done for TIGERs as that is best
way to avoid Bad Builds.

I want to run long distances but have decent power (more that what I have
now).
Better fuel economy would be nice. Street-ability is a consideration as well.
Since I am a retired guy on a limited budget I want the best Bang-for-my-Buck.

So my questions:
- What book do you recommend now as a guide to building a 289 considering that
there has been considerable development since Toms book was written in 1978?
- What formula have you found successful  building a street 289 for a TIGER?
- Where would you spend your money?

All help greatly appreciated.

Go far, quickly and safely
Jc
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Feb  3 15:58:24 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 16:58:24 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Building a street 289
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w34772B0EF4B8E1F518AFE0DBE70@phx.gbl>
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	<SNT138-w34772B0EF4B8E1F518AFE0DBE70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601cbc3f5$dd1b9f90$9752deb0$@rr.com>

347 + aluminum heads ='s win!

Duke

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of John Crawley
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:18 PM
To: LIST TIGER
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Building a street 289

Hi All:

With winter snow deep and crisp and temperatures too low to want to think
about them it is time for a bit of arm chair mechanics.
My TIGER engine has now clocked more than 50,000 miles and is in need of a
refresh. It is a 5-bolt 289 with 302 heads, duel plane intake and Holly 600
cfm vac secondary, stock exhaust, and a single point dizzy. I am presently
running a 30% overdrive top-loader but will be changing to a wide-ratio
4-speed. When I built it I used Tom Monroes How to build a Small Block
Ford
as a guide.

My son is a mechanic with CASCAR experience and will build the engine for me
so my expenses will be for machining and parts. He suggested that in
planning
the engine I start by asking what others have done for TIGERs as that is
best
way to avoid Bad Builds.

I want to run long distances but have decent power (more that what I have
now).
Better fuel economy would be nice. Street-ability is a consideration as
well.
Since I am a retired guy on a limited budget I want the best
Bang-for-my-Buck.

So my questions:
- What book do you recommend now as a guide to building a 289 considering
that
there has been considerable development since Toms book was written in
1978?
- What formula have you found successful  building a street 289 for a TIGER?
- Where would you spend your money?

All help greatly appreciated.

Go far, quickly and safely
Jc
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 16:15:58 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:15:58 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Building a street 289
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w34772B0EF4B8E1F518AFE0DBE70@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.8816.1296685059.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<SNT138-w34772B0EF4B8E1F518AFE0DBE70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimNuNTiiTfJ4MwbpuQFcXEtTrDP=HfZdD1XVbm7@mail.gmail.com>

I would say have everything balanced very well, get a set of nice pistons
and rods, good rod bolts, alloy heads, roller rockers, roller cam, good
igntion system and nice manifold.. now their will be many various mfg's and
combos you can use... but i like to stick to sets, things made to work
with each other.. so i'd say:

buy something like the edelbrock top end kit : alloy heads, cam manifold,
carb as a set.
use goof quality pistons and rods with ARP bolts
something liek a crane dizzy + contorl unit.. or MSD + control unit

you could just as easily substitue it for ford top end kit and pistins/rods

and then as discussed.. you can use your 289block and add a 302 crank...


On 4 February 2011 05:18, John Crawley <alittlemoreink at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> With winter snow deep and crisp and temperatures too low to want to think
> about them it is time for a bit of arm chair mechanics.
> My TIGER engine has now clocked more than 50,000 miles and is in need of a
> refresh. It is a 5-bolt 289 with 302 heads, duel plane intake and Holly 600
> cfm vac secondary, stock exhaust, and a single point dizzy. I am presently
> running a 30% overdrive top-loader but will be changing to a wide-ratio
> 4-speed. When I built it I used Tom Monroe s  How to build a Small Block
> Ford
> as a guide.
>
> My son is a mechanic with CASCAR experience and will build the engine for
> me
> so my expenses will be for machining and parts. He suggested that in
> planning
> the engine I start by asking what others have done for TIGERs as that is
> best
> way to avoid  Bad Builds .
>
> I want to run long distances but have decent power (more that what I have
> now).
> Better fuel economy would be nice. Street-ability is a consideration as
> well.
> Since I am a retired guy on a limited budget I want the best
> Bang-for-my-Buck.
>
> So my questions:
> - What book do you recommend now as a guide to building a 289 considering
> that
> there has been considerable development since Tom s book was written in
> 1978?
> - What formula have you found successful  building a street 289 for a
> TIGER?
> - Where would you spend your money?
>
> All help greatly appreciated.
>
> Go far, quickly and safely
> Jc
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From keepracing at mac.com  Thu Feb  3 16:27:45 2011
From: keepracing at mac.com (Keep Morse)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:27:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Photos from Feb 3, 2011
References: <0LG2006ABE50LH70@asmtp028.mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B5DF5F3-C0C2-47D0-B133-806383D06F9F@mac.com>

This is my first post, hope this works, if not please offer a few suggestions.
I bought  a 289 that was parted out from a  Ford Bronco about 15 yrs ago to use as a back up for 20yr restoration of my  65 Tiger mk 1a.
I would like to sell any ideas of the value.
check the photos
Keep Morse
near Sebring

Begin forwarded message:

> From: KEEP MORSE <keepracing at me.com>
> Date: February 3, 2011 6:19:51 PM EST
> To: Morse Keep-gmail <keepracing at gmail.com>
> Subject: Photos from Feb 3, 2011

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 16:53:04 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:53:04 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Photos from Feb 3, 2011
In-Reply-To: <4B5DF5F3-C0C2-47D0-B133-806383D06F9F@mac.com>
References: <0LG2006ABE50LH70@asmtp028.mac.com>
	<4B5DF5F3-C0C2-47D0-B133-806383D06F9F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikw6rJj7NgFaoc4Kf_nbgFptPYwYyqkz-ZyG2qB@mail.gmail.com>

is it a 5 bolt or 6 bolt block?
what is the bore on it?

these are key factors in value.

On 4 February 2011 10:27, Keep Morse <keepracing at mac.com> wrote:

> This is my first post, hope this works, if not please offer a few
> suggestions.
> I bought  a 289 that was parted out from a  Ford Bronco about 15 yrs ago to
> use as a back up for 20yr restoration of my  65 Tiger mk 1a.
> I would like to sell any ideas of the value.
> check the photos
> Keep Morse
> near Sebring
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: KEEP MORSE <keepracing at me.com>
> > Date: February 3, 2011 6:19:51 PM EST
> > To: Morse Keep-gmail <keepracing at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Photos from Feb 3, 2011
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Feb  3 17:24:48 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:24:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Building a street 289
In-Reply-To: <487753.93515.qm@web180507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.8816.1296685059.23296.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<SNT138-w34772B0EF4B8E1F518AFE0DBE70@phx.gbl>
	<487753.93515.qm@web180507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D4B4750.70005@mayfco.com>

James, I echo that sentiment.  My thought would be to build a 331 CID 
motor using the 3.25 inch stroke, and the appropriate rods and pistons.  
Kits are available.  Make the compression ratio around 9.8 or so.  And 
yes, get the best flowing heads you can for the money you wist to 
spend.  I think there are some good "as cast" heads not that would do 
provided they have big valves.   I would use  an aftermarket EFI system 
if possible.  The kind that has a mass air flow meter. Once tuned that 
practically eliminates any future tuning issues.  A carb will make as 
much power, but is not as drivable.

remember also that if you plan on driving down the road at the same 
speeds you drive now, the hp requirements will be the same at those 
speeds.  You can have a 600 hp motor but at 70 mph the Tiger requires 
maybe 40 hp to go that fast.  Excess hp is then useful for spirited 
driving.

And remember, if you go fast, you gotta still stop maybe even faster. So 
makes the brakes as important in your rebuild as the motor and trans and 
diff.

Then enjoy that puppy..

mayf

On 2/3/2011 10:45 AM, james ellis wrote:
> The only replacement for cubic inches is rectangular dollars, so were it me
> would go for more displacement and the best heads you can afford.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Crawley<alittlemoreink at hotmail.com>
> To: LIST TIGER<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 1:18:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Building a street 289
>
> Hi All:
>
> With winter snow deep and crisp and temperatures too low to want to think
> about them it is time for a bit of arm chair mechanics.
> My TIGER engine has now clocked more than 50,000 miles and is in need of a
> refresh. It is a 5-bolt 289 with 302 heads, duel plane intake and Holly 600
> cfm vac secondary, stock exhaust, and a single point dizzy. I am presently
> running a 30% overdrive top-loader but will be changing to a wide-ratio
> 4-speed. When I built it I used Tom Monroes How to build a Small Block Ford
> as a guide.
>
> My son is a mechanic with CASCAR experience and will build the engine for me
> so my expenses will be for machining and parts. He suggested that in planning
> the engine I start by asking what others have done for TIGERs as that is best
> way to avoid Bad Builds.
>
> I want to run long distances but have decent power (more that what I have
> now).
> Better fuel economy would be nice. Street-ability is a consideration as well.
> Since I am a retired guy on a limited budget I want the best Bang-for-my-Buck.
>
> So my questions:
> - What book do you recommend now as a guide to building a 289 considering that
> there has been considerable development since Toms book was written in 1978?
> - What formula have you found successful  building a street 289 for a TIGER?
> - Where would you spend your money?
>
> All help greatly appreciated.
>
> Go far, quickly and safely
> Jc

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Thu Feb  3 17:28:57 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:28:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Reduced Speed Enforcement!
Message-ID: <4D4B4849.2010404@socal.rr.com>

Gotta watch this!

**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xnWYx8YK8&feature=player_embedded 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xnWYx8YK8&feature=player_embedded>
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Fri Feb  4 05:45:41 2011
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:45:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tom Prager
Message-ID: <4D4BF4F5.9090503@verizon.net>

Would Tom Prager in TX contact me off line.

Thanks

Larry

From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 21:29:13 2011
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 20:29:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Photos from Feb 3, 2011
In-Reply-To: <4B5DF5F3-C0C2-47D0-B133-806383D06F9F@mac.com>
References: <0LG2006ABE50LH70@asmtp028.mac.com>
	<4B5DF5F3-C0C2-47D0-B133-806383D06F9F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYsF1PHiV2VzRGMnpuu7mg-Ze-bAZ+G2kw0Q7W@mail.gmail.com>

No photos came through

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Keep Morse <keepracing at mac.com> wrote:

> This is my first post, hope this works, if not please offer a few
> suggestions.
> I bought  a 289 that was parted out from a  Ford Bronco about 15 yrs ago to
> use as a back up for 20yr restoration of my  65 Tiger mk 1a.
> I would like to sell any ideas of the value.
> check the photos
> Keep Morse
> near Sebring
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: KEEP MORSE <keepracing at me.com>
> > Date: February 3, 2011 6:19:51 PM EST
> > To: Morse Keep-gmail <keepracing at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Photos from Feb 3, 2011
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Feb  3 21:35:07 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:35:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Photos from Feb 3, 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinYsF1PHiV2VzRGMnpuu7mg-Ze-bAZ+G2kw0Q7W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0LG2006ABE50LH70@asmtp028.mac.com>
	<4B5DF5F3-C0C2-47D0-B133-806383D06F9F@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinYsF1PHiV2VzRGMnpuu7mg-Ze-bAZ+G2kw0Q7W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86D52@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

That's because the mailing list doesn't permit attachments of any sort. If you
want to, post pictures on some hosting site and then send a link to the list.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffery Randall
> Sent: February 3, 2011 9:29 PM
> To: Keep Morse
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Photos from Feb 3, 2011
>
> No photos came through
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Keep Morse <keepracing at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > This is my first post, hope this works, if not please offer a few
> > suggestions.
> > I bought  a 289 that was parted out from a  Ford Bronco about 15 yrs
> ago to
> > use as a back up for 20yr restoration of my  65 Tiger mk 1a.
> > I would like to sell any ideas of the value.
> > check the photos
> > Keep Morse
> > near Sebring
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: KEEP MORSE <keepracing at me.com>
> > > Date: February 3, 2011 6:19:51 PM EST
> > > To: Morse Keep-gmail <keepracing at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Photos from Feb 3, 2011
> > _______________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:18:05 -0500 (EST)
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this too.
_http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trunk+monkeys+commercial&aq=1_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trunk+monkeys+commercial&aq=1) 
 
 
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Gotta  watch  this!

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From daniel.doornbos at intel.com  Sat Feb  5 16:38:40 2011
From: daniel.doornbos at intel.com (Doornbos, Daniel)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:38:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
Message-ID: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B6131C4DEBD@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

It's easy to speculate by e-mail, but what would you say to this buyer if you
met them face to face?  I bet the majority would say congratulations!

What if the buyer was on our list lurking?  This is highly probable.  What if
they watched and learned and decided this was the car they wanted?  What if
before they got a chance to send an announcement e-mail to our list everyone
here jumped all over it and now they hold back from really joining the group?
It's sad because we had the exact same round of e-mails the last time a tiger
was sold for a really high price last year.  The fair market value is the
agreed to price of the buyer and the seller.  Given the circumstances maybe
these people do or don't have a lot of money but they wanted a Tiger so what
does they were willing to pay matter to us?  Maybe they could have gotten a
better value?  Maybe it was an impulse buy?  For all of us that bought for
less I say congratulations for being a smart consumer.

I'm not sure why we have to try to make someone feel small for paying a high
price for a car that they wanted.  Including the SELLER, who was here on the
list.  He basically admitted he spent about $80k on this tiger.  Was it a bad
decision on his part to buy this car and spend that kind of money on a
restoration?  He was able to save it and keep it on the road, so
congratulations to him.  Also good job to those of us who do the work
ourselves and don't have the same capital outlay.

I think in the future we should acknowledge the price and note as they said in
the Barrett Jackson Auction, "Smartly Bought" or maybe the flip side of the
coin is "Smartly Sold."  If I was to sell my car I would get it built and
finished and the sell it at an auction over e-bay that is for sure!

dan

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Feb  5 16:59:02 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:59:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
Message-ID: <60838.7240e034.3a7f3e46@aol.com>

Dan,
Good points.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 2/5/2011 6:52:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
daniel.doornbos at intel.com writes:

It's  easy to speculate by e-mail, but what would you say to this buyer if  
you
met them face to face?  I bet the majority would say  congratulations!

What if the buyer was on our list lurking?  This  is highly probable.  What 
if
they watched and learned and decided this  was the car they wanted?  What if
before they got a chance to send an  announcement e-mail to our list 
everyone
here jumped all over it and now  they hold back from really joining the 
group?
It's sad because we had the  exact same round of e-mails the last time a 
tiger
was sold for a really  high price last year.  The fair market value is the
agreed to price of  the buyer and the seller.  Given the circumstances maybe
these people  do or don't have a lot of money but they wanted a Tiger so 
what
does they  were willing to pay matter to us?  Maybe they could have gotten  
a
better value?  Maybe it was an impulse buy?  For all of us that  bought for
less I say congratulations for being a smart  consumer.

I'm not sure why we have to try to make someone feel small  for paying a 
high
price for a car that they wanted.  Including the  SELLER, who was here on 
the
list.  He basically admitted he spent  about $80k on this tiger.  Was it a 
bad
decision on his part to buy  this car and spend that kind of money on a
restoration?  He was able  to save it and keep it on the road, so
congratulations to him.  Also  good job to those of us who do the work
ourselves and don't have the same  capital outlay.

I think in the future we should acknowledge the price  and note as they 
said in
the Barrett Jackson Auction, "Smartly Bought" or  maybe the flip side of the
coin is "Smartly Sold."  If I was to sell  my car I would get it built and
finished and the sell it at an auction over  e-bay that is for  sure!

dan
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Feb  5 17:27:25 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:27:25 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B6131C4DEBD@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B6131C4DEBD@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbc594$a0f5dc10$e2e19430$@rr.com>

+1....if you don't have something nice to say.. SHUT UP.

Duke
B382002037


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Doornbos, Daniel
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:39 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?

It's easy to speculate by e-mail, but what would you say to this buyer if
you
met them face to face?  I bet the majority would say congratulations!

What if the buyer was on our list lurking?  This is highly probable.  What
if
they watched and learned and decided this was the car they wanted?  What if
before they got a chance to send an announcement e-mail to our list everyone
here jumped all over it and now they hold back from really joining the
group?
It's sad because we had the exact same round of e-mails the last time a
tiger
was sold for a really high price last year.  The fair market value is the
agreed to price of the buyer and the seller.  Given the circumstances maybe
these people do or don't have a lot of money but they wanted a Tiger so what
does they were willing to pay matter to us?  Maybe they could have gotten a
better value?  Maybe it was an impulse buy?  For all of us that bought for
less I say congratulations for being a smart consumer.

I'm not sure why we have to try to make someone feel small for paying a high
price for a car that they wanted.  Including the SELLER, who was here on the
list.  He basically admitted he spent about $80k on this tiger.  Was it a
bad
decision on his part to buy this car and spend that kind of money on a
restoration?  He was able to save it and keep it on the road, so
congratulations to him.  Also good job to those of us who do the work
ourselves and don't have the same capital outlay.

I think in the future we should acknowledge the price and note as they said
in
the Barrett Jackson Auction, "Smartly Bought" or maybe the flip side of the
coin is "Smartly Sold."  If I was to sell my car I would get it built and
finished and the sell it at an auction over e-bay that is for sure!

dan
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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  5 18:50:07 2011
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 20:50:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] prbreuhan
Message-ID: <SNT111-W16A68FFBEBE537E93F05E6AAE80@phx.gbl>

http://ugprzerosl.home.pl/21239.html

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Sat Feb  5 23:59:20 2011
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 00:59:20 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] prbreuhan
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W16A68FFBEBE537E93F05E6AAE80@phx.gbl>
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Danger, Will Robinson! It looks like someone from Poland got into Paul's
address book. I would bet money that that URL is a dangerous place to go.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes

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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  6 13:39:22 2011
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:39:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Recent email from me...
Message-ID: <SNT111-W47718740A3352121AD493BAAE80@phx.gbl>

Sorry Tiger Dudes,Evidently someone/something got into my email last night and
sent out spam to everyone on my contact list.Never open anything from me
unless we have had a conversation, or there is a legitimate subject that we
have discussed.I generally don't even pass along jokes to anyone, even
family.I apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause and hopefully
it's taken care of on my end now.Thanks,Paul

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  6 16:24:33 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:24:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
Message-ID: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>

"It's easy to speculate by e-mail, but what would you say to this buyer if
you met them face to face? I bet the majority would say congratulations!"

Possibly one or two may say,  "A fool and his money are soon parted".

 

                                                                   Jeff

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb  6 16:48:04 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:48:04 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] non tiger - 2011 australia day rally
Message-ID: <AANLkTimuzTKp=QN9+j=KfpaS9vs--DvuBNzjsDsP0T=B@mail.gmail.com>

A late post, (event was 26 jan) and i didn't take many shots this year.. but
still some cars of interest

Not all sunbeam, but perhaps of interest to some.. few rare rootes cars in
there amoung many makes and models.

http://community.webshots.com/album/579713868nRoMIZ


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sun Feb  6 17:15:36 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:15:36 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86FA1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

As Tiger owners we ought to know about fools, right? It's not about the
money.

But if it is, then someone ought to figure out what a full-on restoration
costs, and then determine whether or not the $80k is a foolish amount to spend
on a car that was just done. You can argue all day about whether this
restoration has the same je-ne-sais-quoi that a Dale's or Reisentz (just to
pick two names, no dissing) effort would, and the value of having your car
done the same as all the others by one of the guys that do them all.

These prices are just WAGs. I mostly do my own work so I have no idea what
bodywork and mechanical labor costs, other than to use the prep and paint of
my hardtop last summer as a yardstick. Labor, loaded, is going to come in at
about $60 to $80 an hour, I figure, unless you're getting your highschool to
do it for you.

Tiger: $12000 (ballpark price for a questionably rusty car that otherwise has
no problems - dunno what the original price was for the one in question)
Sacrificial Alpine: $1000 (gotta find one whose floor and sills are worth
using) or handmade replacement panels: $3000
Strip the Tiger: $1500
Strip the Alpine: $1500
Take the good parts off the 'Pine: $2000 - gotta make sure the parts that come
off are off in usable condition and that takes time.
Remainder of the bodywork and paint: $10000
Chroming everything: $2000? I have NO idea what this costs.
Engine, trans, diff rebuild: $5000
New interior stuff and rubber parts from Rick: Dunno what it adds up to ...
need to sum up his entire catalog. $2000
Upholstering the seats: $1000
Wiring: $1500
Suspension rebuild: $2500 - includes all new replaceable parts.
Brake rebuild: $500

----
I'm at 42500 now. While I'm sure I'm over on some items, I've left other stuff
altogether, and I may be under on some things. So while the owner of this
black Tiger may have paid a premium, he's not totally out in left field, and
he gets to enjoy his car NOW.

Cheers all - yet another snowfall warning here!

Theo






> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
> Sent: February 6, 2011 4:25 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Cc: daniel.doornbos at intel.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
>
> "It's easy to speculate by e-mail, but what would you say to this buyer
> if
> you met them face to face? I bet the majority would say
> congratulations!"
>
> Possibly one or two may say,  "A fool and his money are soon parted".
>
>
>
>                                                                    Jeff
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Feb  6 18:03:22 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 17:03:22 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
References: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86FA1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <4F9DCF3D4F08459E8F93F70C448C2E1D@student2>

 It could have been an inebriated individual blowing his kids college 
fund..., OR it could have been a loving wife fulfilling her terminal ill 
husband's dream. The bottom line is we don't know.  It's their money, (and 
they may have to answer to somebody) but don't have to answer to us.

Tom 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb  6 18:50:35 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:50:35 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <4F9DCF3D4F08459E8F93F70C448C2E1D@student2>
References: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86FA1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<4F9DCF3D4F08459E8F93F70C448C2E1D@student2>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfbChuTAQEBN_nmOO4XnASzJACN=s3XgY3OwUr@mail.gmail.com>

All im going to say is that on a really nice Tiger, sure i could spend
$80K.. but as i pointed out in original posts.. i'd want it right.. not some
cheap dash, incorrect temp gauge, cheap aftermarket wheel and as i have
said.. there is something really wrong with the soft top cover at the back..
hopefully the car was restored well (the photos i posted showed it to be
rusty before the resto) and hopefully the workmanship is done to a standard
where it lasts.. if so.. then i guess a fe more grand and it can be all put
to "correct" which is why you would buy a largely stock car.. question is..
for 80k shouldnt it be correct?

my .02


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  6 19:02:50 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:02:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <4F9DCF3D4F08459E8F93F70C448C2E1D@student2>
References: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86FA1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<4F9DCF3D4F08459E8F93F70C448C2E1D@student2>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktLM43UTPgkh7=XqL=FCQEq9b30t4smRdj0aY6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm with Theo here.

Let me offer this, having just been there. I still have trim and chrome to
go, and some of the trim is not cheap, especially for a Mark 2:

There were around 7,000 Tigers built, and Norm suspects there are a bit less
than 4,000 left. He may be a bit high or a bit low, but my bet is he's
close.

Of those 4,000 there are maybe a couple hundred truly rust-free cars, and
most if not all of them are not for sale at any price. The rest of them are
returning to nature (all steel eventually will turn to rust unless
extraordinary measures are taken to prevent it). So, in varying degrees,
these Tigers have rust. Some more than others.

The issue with rust isn't what you see, it's what you uncover trying to
replace the obvious. I had about $3,000 invested in replacement panels. Some
were from a company in Oklahoma which, to be blunt, didn't fit, some were
from a vendor in Canada which largely did fit, some were from across the
pond. The replacement cost for the areas that were uncovered replacing the
parts I provided exceeded $12,000. That wasn't the total rebuild cost, just
the cost of eliminating the hidden rust. The rebuild of the body including
paint was quite a bit more.

That cost doesn't include mechanical repairs or replacement units like brake
parts or rebuilding the engine. Those, if done right will add another $5 to
$10K to the cost of the car.Then there's the soft parts, upholstery, etc..

I didn't do this to make a profit, and I suspect most of the guys who
rebuild a car don't do it for the money - if hey did they'd sell the service
and label it "restoration", as in "bring wheelbarrows full of money and it
probably won't be enough." I'll have literally thousands of hours invested
in my Tiger when it's finished.

To the guy who spent $80K to buy a Tiger that has been completed: GOOD FOR
YOU! I hope you enjoy the car. We can carp all day about the cost, but the
truth is to have it done right, especially if there was significant rust or
other damage can - and probably will - cost more than $80K.

For a marque with less than 4000 survivors $80K is a remarkably cheap price
for a good car, in my opinion.

Tom

'67 Mark 2 being resurrected.

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:

> It could have been an inebriated individual blowing his kids college
> fund..., OR it could have been a loving wife fulfilling her terminal ill
> husband's dream. The bottom line is we don't know.  It's their money, (and
> they may have to answer to somebody) but don't have to answer to us.
>
> Tom _______________________________________________
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sun Feb  6 19:49:22 2011
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:49:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfbChuTAQEBN_nmOO4XnASzJACN=s3XgY3OwUr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86FA1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<4F9DCF3D4F08459E8F93F70C448C2E1D@student2>
	<AANLkTikfbChuTAQEBN_nmOO4XnASzJACN=s3XgY3OwUr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTink+3hESwSZoBYaHpqGSELnuDbrSo3meoSbS_FW@mail.gmail.com>

You know  or don t know I m In the  auto business, as just an example, I
picked up a 1971 Chevelle SS 454 4 spd no motor or tranny, a friend of mine
gave me a motor & tranny for nothing, by the time it was together and
presentable it stood me better than 28k.I was lucky to get 18k for it after
2 years. The man who came with the guy that bought it said " I told you its
cheaper to buy one thats already been done than to do it yourself" And I
thought to myself, he s RIGHT! Let this be a lesson for us all.
Jeff

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 8:50 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:

> All im going to say is that on a really nice Tiger, sure i could spend
> $80K.. but as i pointed out in original posts.. i'd want it right.. not
> some
> cheap dash, incorrect temp gauge, cheap aftermarket wheel and as i have
> said.. there is something really wrong with the soft top cover at the
> back..
> hopefully the car was restored well (the photos i posted showed it to be
> rusty before the resto) and hopefully the workmanship is done to a standard
> where it lasts.. if so.. then i guess a fe more grand and it can be all put
> to "correct" which is why you would buy a largely stock car.. question is..
> for 80k shouldnt it be correct?
>
> my .02
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Feb  6 20:16:10 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:16:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86FA1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
References: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86FA1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <4D4F63FA.3080801@socal.rr.com>

/Everyone want's to have his $ 0.02 counted. And it seems everybody has.

I may be one of the few that has a rust-free California car, including a 
bunch of LAT items (and the original parts that were replaced by LAT) in 
the factory paint job.

I remember they used to say in the old "//Used Car for Sale" of the 
classified Sunday Newspapers section. The sales are usually by private 
parties (no dealers/restorers). They stated "never raced or wrecked"!

These were truly "WSIWYG".

Now that our cars are becoming "collectible", there are all sorts of 
for-profit car sellers.  When I first got it I insured it for "$50,000 - 
Agreed Value", I thought I was on sound ground.  Looks like I may have 
to up it, not only because the value of the car has increased, but so 
have the repair costs.

Now it's "What You Don't See" is very important.

I found Theo's comments were well within order.

I'll only second his observations, and add the observation - "Value is 
in the Eyes of the Beholder"

Steve
/

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - *TigersUnited.com* <http://www.tigersunited.com>/



On 2/6/11 4:15 PM, Smit, Theo wrote:
> /As Tiger owners we ought to know about fools, right? It's not about the
> money.
>
> But if it is, then someone ought to figure out what a full-on restoration
> costs, and then determine whether or not the $80k is a foolish amount to spend
> on a car that was just done. You can argue all day about whether this
> restoration has the same je-ne-sais-quoi that a Dale's or Reisentz (just to
> pick two names, no dissing) effort would, and the value of having your car
> done the same as all the others by one of the guys that do them all.
>
> These prices are just WAGs. I mostly do my own work so I have no idea what
> bodywork and mechanical labor costs, other than to use the prep and paint of
> my hardtop last summer as a yardstick. Labor, loaded, is going to come in at
> about $60 to $80 an hour, I figure, unless you're getting your highschool to
> do it for you.
>
> Tiger: $12000 (ballpark price for a questionably rusty car that otherwise has
> no problems - dunno what the original price was for the one in question)
> Sacrificial Alpine: $1000 (gotta find one whose floor and sills are worth
> using) or handmade replacement panels: $3000
> Strip the Tiger: $1500
> Strip the Alpine: $1500
> Take the good parts off the 'Pine: $2000 - gotta make sure the parts that come
> off are off in usable condition and that takes time.
> Remainder of the bodywork and paint: $10000
> Chroming everything: $2000? I have NO idea what this costs.
> Engine, trans, diff rebuild: $5000
> New interior stuff and rubber parts from Rick: Dunno what it adds up to ...
> need to sum up his entire catalog. $2000
> Upholstering the seats: $1000
> Wiring: $1500
> Suspension rebuild: $2500 - includes all new replaceable parts.
> Brake rebuild: $500
>
> ----
> I'm at 42500 now. While I'm sure I'm over on some items, I've left other stuff
> altogether, and I may be under on some things. So while the owner of this
> black Tiger may have paid a premium, he's not totally out in left field, and
> he gets to enjoy his car NOW.
>
> Cheers all - yet another snowfall warning here!
>
> Theo/

From cars at wt-inc.com  Sun Feb  6 22:01:01 2011
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:01:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <000301cbc684$04877500$0d965f00$@com>

Jeff,

I don't think I know you and you would probably never say that but I have to
say,,,,,,,,  Wow, only a jackass would say that to someone's face.  Right or
wrong, rich or poor, smart or dumb how about we all let this guy glory in
his recent acquisition.  I can't believe the courage anonymity gives people.
Seriously, back to Daniels point, what if the guy is overjoyed with his
purchase and can't wait to join a wonderful group to share his experience.
He logs on to find people calling him a fool and yet his biggest sin was
paying too much (in some peoples mind) for his dream.  Remember, if someone
did not pay to have that car restored it would likely have been lost.

Lets hope the one, or possibly two, jackasses don't show up that day.

By the way, I do know Theo and he is a pretty smart guy that has a pretty
nice car, but I think his estimates are low.  I think dropping that car off
at a restorers shop and picking it up at a later date would get you a bill
of $80k easy.

His color choice, wheel choice, gauge choice, checkbook size does not matter
to me.  There are lots of cars out there that don't fit my personal
preferences but rest assured you will never hear it from me in person or on
this list.

Love your cars, drive them often and build them to YOUR taste, budget or
lack thereof.

Lynn (dander was up, now it is down)



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 3:25 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: daniel.doornbos at intel.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?

"It's easy to speculate by e-mail, but what would you say to this buyer if
you met them face to face? I bet the majority would say congratulations!"

Possibly one or two may say,  "A fool and his money are soon parted".

 

                                                                   Jeff
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From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Feb  7 23:35:23 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 00:35:23 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktLM43UTPgkh7=XqL=FCQEq9b30t4smRdj0aY6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84894DA252F64876B21A4B472366ED68@jeffnicholsPC><47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C86FA1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com><4F9DCF3D4F08459E8F93F70C448C2E1D@student2>
	<AANLkTiktLM43UTPgkh7=XqL=FCQEq9b30t4smRdj0aY6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5B8083964164575BA3CF5C76FE76A97@awtigerPC>

>"I had about $3,000 invested in replacement panels. Some
> were from a company in Oklahoma which, to be blunt, didn't fit..."

Tom:

I think you must be referring to Victoria British in Lenexa, KS.  There is 
no one here in Oklahoma (to my knowledge) who is producing replacement body 
panels.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

From Carmods at aol.com  Mon Feb  7 06:57:29 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
Message-ID: <af0e1.3a1cd6c6.3a815449@aol.com>

Is it possible that the seller is also the buyer and a friend of  Mercum.
 
John Logan

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Feb  7 07:38:44 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:38:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
Message-ID: <17abc.2f4a0ca0.3a815df4@aol.com>

With the Mecum auctions they allow sellers to put a reserve on the price.  
So there  normally isn't any incentive for the buyer to buy back his own  
car.  Seller just puts the reserve where he wants it and if it doesn't  reach 
that level he keeps the ownership.
M
 
 
In a message dated 2/7/2011 9:11:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Carmods at aol.com writes:

Is it  possible that the seller is also the buyer and a friend of   Mercum.

John  Logan
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From cars at wt-inc.com  Mon Feb  7 07:41:53 2011
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:41:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
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Yes, that is possible.

But since we don't know it is also possible that some guy just bought is
dream car in a completely legitimate auction and is ecstatic about it.
Right now he might be sitting in his car dressed in Green Bay Packers gear
making vroom vroom noises.

Or he might be reading all of our posts wondering what kind of group we are.

Lynn

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?

Is it possible that the seller is also the buyer and a friend of  Mercum.
 
John Logan
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Feb  7 08:03:39 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:03:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
Message-ID: <19408.6d85cb44.3a8163ca@aol.com>

Agree with your statement Lynn.  I suggest to let it rest.   Another good 
Tiger is on the road with a happy owner.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 2/7/2011 9:53:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cars at wt-inc.com writes:

Yes,  that is possible.

But since we don't know it is also possible that some  guy just bought is
dream car in a completely legitimate auction and is  ecstatic about it.
Right now he might be sitting in his car dressed in  Green Bay Packers gear
making vroom vroom noises.

Or he might be  reading all of our posts wondering what kind of group we  
are.

Lynn

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Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k  Question?

Is it possible that the seller is also the buyer and a friend  of  Mercum.

John  Logan
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From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 08:31:16 2011
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:31:16 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
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Agreed also. This topic is very tired.
On Feb 7, 2011 7:27 AM, <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Agree with your statement Lynn.  I suggest to let it rest.   Another good
> Tiger is on the road with a happy owner.
> Mark L
>
>
> In a message dated 2/7/2011 9:53:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> cars at wt-inc.com writes:
>
> Yes,  that is possible.
>
> But since we don't know it is also possible that some  guy just bought is
> dream car in a completely legitimate auction and is  ecstatic about it.
> Right now he might be sitting in his car dressed in  Green Bay Packers
gear
> making vroom vroom noises.
>
> Or he might be  reading all of our posts wondering what kind of group we
> are.
>
> Lynn
>
> -----Original Message-----
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]
> On  Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 5:57 AM
> To:  tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k  Question?
>
> Is it possible that the seller is also the buyer and a friend  of  Mercum.
>
> John  Logan
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Feb  7 09:15:16 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:15:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] seeking information
Message-ID: <CEEF0A79B1674E2DBD191AB301053396@ronpc1>

    I have a copy of Rootes Parts List Supplement for the Sunbeam 260;
publication #6601131, 2nd issue, dated Jan 1965.
 
Was there a first issue?
 
Does anyone have the 1st issue of this publication?
 
Ron Fraser

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Feb  7 11:05:50 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:05:50 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
Message-ID: <4D50347E.6040008@mayfco.com>

I have been watching this thread  for seems like weeks now and I am 
really really confused. Is there a point to all of this discussion? Is a 
problem being solved?   It seems that the idea is for every one of those 
who prefer to have their Tigers original on this list are just taking 
whacks at this owner and the car.   Seems like everyone has to get the 
"last word in" on this subject.

Give it a rest already!

mayf

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Feb  7 12:33:34 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:33:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] seeking information
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Ron,

The "Supplement" is just that.  Those parts that were NOT in the Alpine 
catalog.

A number of the Parts Lists are published in TigersUnited.com. The 
original Rootes original Alpine Parts List, The earlier Rootes Parts 
List (Mk I), the later Rootes Tiger Parts List (Mk II), as well as the 
colored wiring diagram.

A Rootes Factory Publication meant as an addendum to the complete 
Sunbeam Parts List. This details the unique Tiger ("260") parts that are 
NOT listed in the "Sunbeam" version. Both Rootes part numbers and 
supplier part numbers are given in most cases. This includes the 
invaluable original Ford part numbers, wherein Ford parts are used. 
Large scale exploded parts views, with annotated identification 
references abound.


See all the links to the documents at:

http://tigersunited.com/resources/

Steve


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/7/11 8:15 AM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
>      I have a copy of Rootes Parts List Supplement for the Sunbeam 260;
> publication #6601131, 2nd issue, dated Jan 1965.
>
> Was there a first issue?
>
> Does anyone have the 1st issue of this publication?
>
> Ron Fraser

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  7 13:09:26 2011
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:09:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1297105202.21247.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <341823.99508.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As to the cost to buy a Tiger and have it restored... by the time all was said and done, I was in for well over $80k and I bought my car WAY back in the 80's for $5k. Granted my car has some rather pricey extravagances and I suffered a couple big $etback$ with a shop in San Antonio before I shipped it to Dale A to start all over, but I haven't talked to anyone who had their car professionally and 
completely restored for less than ~$60k, plus purchase price of the car 
(you save a ton when you do the work yourself). 

To drop $80k on a very nice fully restored Tiger may seem high against current market (and this car had a few minor things that should have been addressed), but it's a good deal compared to buying a Tiger that you intend to have professionally restored. With current price trends, market value will catch up in just a handful of years, if that.

If the guy is looking to resell the car, it was not bought well, but if he's going to keep and enjoy it for the duration, he's not going to loose money in the long run. On the other hand, $5k more might have snagged my car.

Stephen Waybright
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3031557/1965-sunbeam-tiger

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  7 13:31:21 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:31:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0537EFF1@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <760412.7013.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark,
 
There is a 2.72 rear end gear that fits the Tiger differential. It has a 26
(fine) spline pinion gear, instead of the 10 (coarse) spline pinion gear. I
have a couple of them.
 
Gary

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) <mark.rense at ge.com>
wrote:


From: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) <mark.rense at ge.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 8:48 AM


Speaking of gear ratios, has anyone ever found a Dana 44/Salisbury rear
end ratio LOWER than the 2.88:1 ratio in our stock differentials? I
searched the web and found ratios as high as 5.89:1 (imagine, a top
speed of 74 MPH at 6000 RPM, but would you get there fast!). Assuming
you convert your Toploader to the wide ratio (2.78 1st) gear set,
dropping to a 2.66:1 rear gear set would still give you a better launch
off the line yet drop your 4th gear cruising RPM about 300 rpm, so for a
205/50R15 tire, you would be doing 2700 RPM instead of the 3000 RPM with
the stock 2.88:1 ratio.

Why ask this, you say? Well, my stroker motors push out over 400 ft-lbs,
and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable
of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus
with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard
in pretty much any gear you choose.

Any thoughts?

Bugz
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  7 13:36:39 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:36:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re:  Building a street 289
Message-ID: <181811.65369.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 





John,
 
I thoroughly agree with your first decision to convert to a wide ratio
transmission. That is by far the best all-around performance modification and
'bang for the buck' I did to my Tiger... better mechanical leverage in the
first 3 gears where I want it, while still maintaining low rpms at highway
speeds. I went even further and installed a 2.90 first gear from David Kee
Toploaders in Texas in place of the standard 2.78 first gear. I also kept my
2.88 rearend for the same reason you suggest, long distance driving. I
recently bought a set of 2.72 rearend gears for another 6% lower highway rpms
(not yet installed). This will not appreciably affect my 'off the line'
performance with my 2.90 first gear. Most Tiger people are unaware that the
Tiger differential can accommodate 2.72 gears. With this setup I will start to
approach the rpm range of the 5 speed conversion without the major price hit
of a 5 speed, no modification to the transmission tunnel and
 I get a 6% overdrive on the higway compared to the 2.88s, all with standard
off the shelf parts. The transmission swap cost me ~$475 for the new wide
ratio gears, I sold the old close ratio gears for ~$250 and the 2.72 ring and
pinion cost $75. So for $300 I got a wide ratio transmission, a low first gear
and a 6% overdrive.
 
Engine upgrades can consist of inexpensive add-ons to expensive bottom up
modifications. You can easily and fairy cheaply install a performance intake
manifold, increase the size your carburetor and update your ignition, but
unless you reduce back pressure, your engine will not make much use of those
upgrades. Back pressure robs performance. What goes in, must come out... and
the more efficiently, the better. To me the second and most obvious
performance improvement is a good set of headers and commensurate flow through
dual exhaust system. Reducing back pressure makes you engine run
more efficient and improves performance AND mileage.
 
Third upgrade would be modern heads, not so much for the aluminum (better
cooling), but for the improved combustion chamber and increased flow capacity,
especially on the exhaust side. The stock Ford heads are very restrictive on
the exhaust side. If you do upgrade the heads on your 289, stick with the
1.90" intake valves, not the 2.02". Typical engine building performance
mistakes are oversize carbs and oversize valves. Once again, what goes in must
come out. You will need to verify valve to piston clearance.
 
Keep you dual plane intake manifold. It is ideal for street performance where
you need the low end response off the line. With improved heads, your 600 cfm
carb with vacuum secondaries will be fine for the street. Personally I run a
600 cfm double pumper Holley with manual secondaries and 2.02 intake valves on
my 400+ HP 331 stroker and find that it is very responsive, i.e. I am traction
limited. 600 cfm on a stock 289 is way too big. I believe Tom Monroe's book
has the formula for calculating carburetor size.
 
I upgraded to an electronic distributor for better high end performance. Since
your not running high rpms with a stock bottom end, your 'dizzie' is fine. At
some point you may want to upgrade for performance, reliability and lower
maintenance.
 
Just my 2 cents worth,
 
Gary

From bobdixon at frii.com  Mon Feb  7 14:08:11 2011
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:08:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] bellhousing and throwout bearing options
In-Reply-To: <341823.99508.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <341823.99508.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bdedfdec3c5537c5465ab6013763b5ea@localhost>

Howdy gang.

I'm ready to bolt my new 335HP 6-bolt 289 to my narrow bolt pattern
toploader.  I have a few options.

1. I have a difficult to find 6 bolt to narrow toploader aluminum
bellhousing but it has a crack around one of the bolt holes on the
flange that attach to the engine.  I'm not real sure these things can be
welded or not.  Any insights?

2. I have an old-school Ansen scattershield that looks really cool and
should fit in the tunnel without modification but weighs about a
thousand pounds.  Problem with this is I would have to use something
like a McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing.  Is this worth the cost?

3. I have heard of people having the narrow bolt pattern machined into
one of the more plentiful wide pattern bellhousings. I was wondering how
this has worked out for others.

Other options I haven't thought about?

Thanks,
Bob

From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Mon Feb  7 14:13:34 2011
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:13:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rear axle hub
Message-ID: <001001cbc70b$e1cc6e70$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

I maybe in need of a rear axle hub,  does anyone have one they would like to
part with for some winter spending money???  Thanks Clyde

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  7 14:25:23 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:25:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
Message-ID: <357582.70268.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"I don't think I know you and you would probably never say that but I have to
say,,,,,,,,  Wow, only a jackass would say that to someone's face.  Right or
wrong, rich or poor, smart or dumb how about we all let this guy glory in
his recent acquisition.  I can't believe the courage  anonymity gives
people."
 
Lynn,
 
    You are correct, you don't know me and I don't know you.    However, if 
you were the person who paid $80,000 for that car and came up to me and asked
for my opinion, I would freely give it to you to your face.     If my
"jackass" opinion then offends you, I contend you have a major problem, not
me,  and you shouldn't ask what other people think of your purchase.  
 
Personally, I  don't care how much the buyer spent  for that car.   Its his
money and he can throw it away all he wants.  Maybe if the "one or possibly
two, jackasses"  did show up that day and guide him, the buyer may not have
overpaid for the car as it appears in this case.
 
I don't need anonymity or as some may choose, alcohol, for courage.  It comes
from within.  Anytime you want my opinion of your car or any other subject I
have no problem telling you what I think.  Of course, you may not like it.
 
 
                                                            Jeff   

 

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 14:56:51 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 16:56:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] bellhousing and throwout bearing options
In-Reply-To: <bdedfdec3c5537c5465ab6013763b5ea@localhost>
References: <341823.99508.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<bdedfdec3c5537c5465ab6013763b5ea@localhost>
Message-ID: <09797365-25FE-4185-9970-4FD9DBA77561@gmail.com>

you can tig weld it.  i have done.
I also have a modified wide to narrow one.  seems to work fine.
almost easier to buy a new steel scatter shield though.  they are not hard to
find new.

On Feb 7, 2011, at 16:08, Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com> wrote:

> Howdy gang.
>
> I'm ready to bolt my new 335HP 6-bolt 289 to my narrow bolt pattern
> toploader.  I have a few options.
>
> 1. I have a difficult to find 6 bolt to narrow toploader aluminum
> bellhousing but it has a crack around one of the bolt holes on the
> flange that attach to the engine.  I'm not real sure these things can be
> welded or not.  Any insights?
>
> 2. I have an old-school Ansen scattershield that looks really cool and
> should fit in the tunnel without modification but weighs about a
> thousand pounds.  Problem with this is I would have to use something
> like a McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing.  Is this worth the cost?
>
> 3. I have heard of people having the narrow bolt pattern machined into
> one of the more plentiful wide pattern bellhousings. I was wondering how
> this has worked out for others.
>
> Other options I haven't thought about?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Feb  7 15:34:37 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 17:34:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <357582.70268.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110207173437.2G1G6.947059.imail@eastrmwml39>

Okay, guys...enough already.  This thread has gotten way out of hand.  Can we just give it a rest and put our egos in check?  Let's all go out and enjoy our Tigers, no matter how much they're worth!!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

---- Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> "I don't think I know you and you would probably never say that but I have to
> say,,,,,,,,  Wow, only a jackass would say that to someone's face.  Right or
> wrong, rich or poor, smart or dumb how about we all let this guy glory in
> his recent acquisition.  I can't believe the courage  anonymity gives
> people."
>  
> Lynn,
>  
>     You are correct, you don't know me and I don't know you.    However, if 
> you were the person who paid $80,000 for that car and came up to me and asked
> for my opinion, I would freely give it to you to your face.     If my
> "jackass" opinion then offends you, I contend you have a major problem, not
> me,  and you shouldn't ask what other people think of your purchase.  
>  
> Personally, I  don't care how much the buyer spent  for that car.   Its his
> money and he can throw it away all he wants.  Maybe if the "one or possibly
> two, jackasses"  did show up that day and guide him, the buyer may not have
> overpaid for the car as it appears in this case.
>  
> I don't need anonymity or as some may choose, alcohol, for courage.  It comes
> from within.  Anytime you want my opinion of your car or any other subject I
> have no problem telling you what I think.  Of course, you may not like it.
>  
>  
>                                                             Jeff   
> 
>  
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 16:41:38 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:41:38 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Mercum_Tiger_-_=2480k_Question=3F?=
Message-ID: <20110207234118.5A7EE187647@autox.team.net>

Jeez.  I've been in vacation and you guys are still hung on THIS??
PUllleeeezzee switch the channel!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 15:25
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
To: <cars at wt-inc.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


"I don't think I know you and you would probably never say that but I have to
say,,,,,,,,  Wow, only a jackass would say that to someone's face.  Right or
wrong, rich or poor, smart or dumb how about we all let this guy glory in
his recent acquisition.  I can't believe the courage  anonymity gives
people."
 
Lynn,
 
    You are correct, you don't know me and I don't know you.    However, if 
you were the person who paid $80,000 for that car and came up to me and asked
for my opinion, I would freely give it to you to your face.     If my
"jackass" opinion then offends you, I contend you have a major problem, not
me,  and you shouldn't ask what other people think of your purchase.  
 
Personally, I  don't care how much the buyer spent  for that car.   Its his
money and he can throw it away all he wants.  Maybe if the "one or possibly
two, jackasses"  did show up that day and guide him, the buyer may not have
overpaid for the car as it appears in this case.
 
I don't need anonymity or as some may choose, alcohol, for courage.  It comes
from within.  Anytime you want my opinion of your car or any other subject I
have no problem telling you what I think.  Of course, you may not like it.
 
 
                                                            Jeff   

 
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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Mon Feb  7 17:22:06 2011
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:22:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
References: <20110207173437.2G1G6.947059.imail@eastrmwml39>
Message-ID: <BB576BFC2B2D4855AD63BF98DCB98D67@yourze8cxvr8tt>

larry/andy,
     there is an old saying in this part of the country. if it's rust free 
it's been totaled. i have to agree. these guys need to understand that and i 
also understand that they probably have never restored a sunbeam from a nude 
state. it' a lack of knowledge, not an ego problem. no wonder we alpine 
owners feel uncomfortable around some tiger owners. please stop griping 
about the car.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <awtiger at cox.net>
To: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>; <cars at wt-inc.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?


> Okay, guys...enough already.  This thread has gotten way out of hand.  Can 
> we just give it a rest and put our egos in check?  Let's all go out and 
> enjoy our Tigers, no matter how much they're worth!!!!
>
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
>
> ---- Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "I don't think I know you and you would probably never say that but I 
>> have to
>> say,,,,,,,,  Wow, only a jackass would say that to someone's face.  Right 
>> or
>> wrong, rich or poor, smart or dumb how about we all let this guy glory in
>> his recent acquisition.  I can't believe the courage  anonymity gives
>> people."
>>
>> Lynn,
>>
>>     You are correct, you don't know me and I don't know you.    However, 
>> if
>> you were the person who paid $80,000 for that car and came up to me and 
>> asked
>> for my opinion, I would freely give it to you to your face.     If my
>> "jackass" opinion then offends you, I contend you have a major problem, 
>> not
>> me,  and you shouldn't ask what other people think of your purchase.
>>
>> Personally, I  don't care how much the buyer spent  for that car.   Its 
>> his
>> money and he can throw it away all he wants.  Maybe if the "one or 
>> possibly
>> two, jackasses"  did show up that day and guide him, the buyer may not 
>> have
>> overpaid for the car as it appears in this case.
>>
>> I don't need anonymity or as some may choose, alcohol, for courage.  It 
>> comes
>> from within.  Anytime you want my opinion of your car or any other 
>> subject I
>> have no problem telling you what I think.  Of course, you may not like 
>> it.
>>
>>
>>                                                             Jeff
>>
>>
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From gabbardalex at att.net  Mon Feb  7 20:02:20 2011
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:02:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Burl walnut veneer
In-Reply-To: <BB576BFC2B2D4855AD63BF98DCB98D67@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <20110207173437.2G1G6.947059.imail@eastrmwml39>
	<BB576BFC2B2D4855AD63BF98DCB98D67@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <604121.29521.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
I have a 24-1/4 inch by 49 inch rectangle of beautiful burl walnut suitable for 
2+ Tiger dashboards. Any interest?
Alex Gabbard

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  7 20:11:15 2011
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:11:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Problems with Tiger List Digest messages...
Message-ID: <892004.6792.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For some strange reason (maybe not so strange?), the digest emails I have been 
receiving form the Tiger List are "garbled" (to coin a phrase).  For example... 
the message I just received in a digest (from Ron Fraser) looked like this (with 
"<BR> and "&nbsp;" added at various places:

&nbsp; &nbsp; I have a copy of Rootes Parts List Supplement for  the Sunbeam 
260;<BR>publication #6601131, 2nd issue, dated Jan  1965.<BR> <BR>Was there a 
first issue?<BR>  <BR>Does anyone have the 1st issue of this publication?<BR>  
<BR>Ron Fraser<BR><BR>


Can anyone tell me why this is happening (my issue on this end... or a problem 
with the Tiger List outgoing messages)?

Thanks...

Bill

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Feb  7 20:54:59 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 21:54:59 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Problems with Tiger List Digest messages...
In-Reply-To: <892004.6792.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <892004.6792.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C8724C@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

That's because his emails are going out with HTML formatting embedded. He'd
have to fix that from his end, or else you can maybe set your reader to accept
HTML formatting (although it may not display correctly if the HTML headers are
missing)

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite
> Sent: February 7, 2011 8:11 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Problems with Tiger List Digest messages...
>
> For some strange reason (maybe not so strange?), the digest emails I
> have been
> receiving form the Tiger List are "garbled" (to coin a phrase).  For
> example...
> the message I just received in a digest (from Ron Fraser) looked like
> this (with
> "<BR> and "&nbsp;" added at various places:
>
> &nbsp; &nbsp; I have a copy of Rootes Parts List Supplement for  the
> Sunbeam
> 260;<BR>publication #6601131, 2nd issue, dated Jan  1965.<BR> <BR>Was
> there a
> first issue?<BR>  <BR>Does anyone have the 1st issue of this
> publication?<BR>
> <BR>Ron Fraser<BR><BR>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me why this is happening (my issue on this end... or a
> problem
> with the Tiger List outgoing messages)?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Bill
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Tue Feb  8 00:07:06 2011
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:07:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?
In-Reply-To: <BB576BFC2B2D4855AD63BF98DCB98D67@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <20110207173437.2G1G6.947059.imail@eastrmwml39>
	<BB576BFC2B2D4855AD63BF98DCB98D67@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <000901cbc75e$cbd99a40$638ccec0$@net>

Which states are the nude states?

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of bob webb
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:22 PM
To: awtiger at cox.net; Jeffrey Nichols; cars at wt-inc.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?

larry/andy,
     there is an old saying in this part of the country. if it's rust free 
it's been totaled. i have to agree. these guys need to understand that and i

also understand that they probably have never restored a sunbeam from a nude

state. it' a lack of knowledge, not an ego problem. no wonder we alpine 
owners feel uncomfortable around some tiger owners. please stop griping 
about the car.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <awtiger at cox.net>
To: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>; <cars at wt-inc.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mercum Tiger - $80k Question?


> Okay, guys...enough already.  This thread has gotten way out of hand.  Can

> we just give it a rest and put our egos in check?  Let's all go out and 
> enjoy our Tigers, no matter how much they're worth!!!!
>
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
>
> ---- Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "I don't think I know you and you would probably never say that but I 
>> have to
>> say,,,,,,,,  Wow, only a jackass would say that to someone's face.  Right

>> or
>> wrong, rich or poor, smart or dumb how about we all let this guy glory in
>> his recent acquisition.  I can't believe the courage  anonymity gives
>> people."
>>
>> Lynn,
>>
>>     You are correct, you don't know me and I don't know you.    However, 
>> if
>> you were the person who paid $80,000 for that car and came up to me and 
>> asked
>> for my opinion, I would freely give it to you to your face.     If my
>> "jackass" opinion then offends you, I contend you have a major problem, 
>> not
>> me,  and you shouldn't ask what other people think of your purchase.
>>
>> Personally, I  don't care how much the buyer spent  for that car.   Its 
>> his
>> money and he can throw it away all he wants.  Maybe if the "one or 
>> possibly
>> two, jackasses"  did show up that day and guide him, the buyer may not 
>> have
>> overpaid for the car as it appears in this case.
>>
>> I don't need anonymity or as some may choose, alcohol, for courage.  It 
>> comes
>> from within.  Anytime you want my opinion of your car or any other 
>> subject I
>> have no problem telling you what I think.  Of course, you may not like 
>> it.
>>
>>
>>                                                             Jeff
>>
>>
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Feb  8 12:24:21 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:24:21 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Problems with Tiger List Digest messages...
In-Reply-To: <892004.6792.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <892004.6792.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D519865.9000105@socal.rr.com>

Bill,

What you are experiencing is the space-saving technique for reducing the 
space taken on the servers for mail.

All materials, such as attachments and character formatting have been 
removed.

This is not new, nor only on the "digest".

For instance, <BRK> is substituted for a "Break". The sender should now 
this by now and not try to use "attachments" or text enhancements.


Steve


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/7/11 7:11 PM, Bill Waite wrote:
> For some strange reason (maybe not so strange?), the digest emails I have been
> receiving form the Tiger List are "garbled" (to coin a phrase).  For example...
> the message I just received in a digest (from Ron Fraser) looked like this (with
> "<BR>  and "&nbsp;" added at various places:
>
> &nbsp;&nbsp; I have a copy of Rootes Parts List Supplement for  the Sunbeam
> 260;<BR>publication #6601131, 2nd issue, dated Jan  1965.<BR>  <BR>Was there a
> first issue?<BR>   <BR>Does anyone have the 1st issue of this publication?<BR>
> <BR>Ron Fraser<BR><BR>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me why this is happening (my issue on this end... or a problem
> with the Tiger List outgoing messages)?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Bill
> _______________________________________________

From jliny5 at cox.net  Tue Feb  8 20:36:48 2011
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:36:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Coach Builder
Message-ID: <5CF72CE819CE44C59FAEF3897092969B@JPC>

?Hi All,

I am a bit confused over which company was the designated coachbuilder that
produced the Tiger bodies for Rootes. I know Jensen assembled the cars, but
which company built the bodies. I have heard it was the Pressed Steel Company
and I also have heard it was British Light Steel Pressings Ltd. This latter
company was owned by Rootes so that seems to make sense. It is also the
company identified in the William Carroll book.

Perhaps somebody on the list knows the answer or can at least look it up in
the BON if you have one.

Thanks,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb  9 10:05:05 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:05:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Coach Builder
In-Reply-To: <5CF72CE819CE44C59FAEF3897092969B@JPC>
Message-ID: <FA3C5A1B481B4518800DF0515A191E61@ronpc1>

Jim
	TBON lists Pressed Steel Co. as the coachbuilder.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of James Lindner
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:37 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Coach Builder


?Hi All,

I am a bit confused over which company was the designated coachbuilder that
produced the Tiger bodies for Rootes. I know Jensen assembled the cars, but
which company built the bodies. I have heard it was the Pressed Steel
Company and I also have heard it was British Light Steel Pressings Ltd. This
latter company was owned by Rootes so that seems to make sense. It is also
the company identified in the William Carroll book.

Perhaps somebody on the list knows the answer or can at least look it up in
the BON if you have one.

Thanks,

Jim Lindner
B9470033
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 00:29:13 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:29:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re:  Building a street 289
Message-ID: <106867.70135.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John,
 
I agree with your first decision to convert to a wide ratio transmission. That
is by far the best all-around performance modification and 'bang for the buck'
I did to my Tiger... better mechanical leverage in the first 3 gears where I
want it, while still maintaining low rpms at highway speeds. I went even
further and installed a 2.90 first gear from David Kee Toploaders in Texas in
place of the standard 2.78 first gear. I also kept my 2.88 rearend for the
same reason you suggest, long distance driving. I recently bought a set of
2.72 rearend gears for another 6% lower highway rpms (not yet installed). This
will not appreciably affect my 'off the line' performance with my 2.90 first
gear. Most Tiger people are unaware that the Tiger differential can
accommodate 2.72 gears. With this setup I will start to approach the rpm range
of the 5 speed conversion without the major price hit of a 5 speed,
no modification to the transmission tunnel and I get a 6%
 overdrive on the higway compared to the 2.88s, all with standard off the
shelf parts. The transmission swap cost me ~$475 for the new wide ratio gears,
I sold the old close ratio gears for ~$250 and the 2.72 ring and pinion cost
$75. So for $300 I got a wide ratio transmission, a low first gear and a 6%
overdrive.
 
Engine upgrades can consist of inexpensive add-ons to expensive bottom up
modifications. You can easily and fairy cheaply install a performance intake
manifold, increase the size your carburetor and update your ignition, but
unless you reduce back pressure, your engine will not make much use of those
upgrades. Back pressure robs performance. What goes in, must come out... and
the more efficiently, the better. To me the second and most obvious
performance improvement is a good set of headers and commensurate flow through
dual exhaust system. Reducing back pressure makes you engine run
more efficient and improves performance AND mileage.
 
Third upgrade would be modern heads, not so much for the aluminum (better
cooling), but for the improved combustion chamber and increased flow capacity,
especially on the exhaust side. The stock Ford heads are very restrictive on
the exhaust side. If you do upgrade the heads on your 289, stick with the
1.90" intake valves, not the 2.02". Typical engine building performance
mistakes are oversize carbs and oversize valves. Once again, what goes in must
come out. You will need to verify valve to piston clearance.
 
Keep you dual plane intake manifold. It is ideal for street performance where
you need the low end response off the line. With improved heads, your 600 cfm
carb with vacuum secondaries will be fine for the street. Personally I run a
600 cfm double pumper Holley with manual secondaries and 2.02 intake valves on
my 400+ HP 331 stroker and find that it is very responsive, i.e. I am traction
limited. 600 cfm on a stock 289 is way too big. I believe Tom Monroe's book
has the formula for calculating carburetor size.
 
I upgraded to an electronic distributor for better high end performance. Since
your not running high rpms with a stock bottom end, your 'dizzie' is fine. At
some point you may want to upgrade for performance, reliability and lower
maintenance.
 
Just my 2 cents worth,
 
Gary

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 23:17:54 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:17:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears
Message-ID: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark,
 
There is a 2.72 rear end gear that fits the Tiger differential. It has a 26
(fine) spline pinion gear, instead of the 10 (coarse) spline pinion gear.
 
May I also recommend the 2.90 first gear from David Kee Toploaders in Texas in
place of the factory 2.78 first gear. I have installed the 2.90 first gear in
several Tigers while keeping the 2.88 rearend gears and love it. I'll never go
back to a close ratio.
 
When I get around to installing my 2.72 gears, it will drop my highway rpms
another 200 rpms and I will still have nice low 2.74 first gear.
 
Gary

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) <mark.rense at ge.com>
wrote:


From: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) <mark.rense at ge.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 8:48 AM


Speaking of gear ratios, has anyone ever found a Dana 44/Salisbury rear
end ratio LOWER than the 2.88:1 ratio in our stock differentials? I
searched the web and found ratios as high as 5.89:1 (imagine, a top
speed of 74 MPH at 6000 RPM, but would you get there fast!). Assuming
you convert your Toploader to the wide ratio (2.78 1st) gear set,
dropping to a 2.66:1 rear gear set would still give you a better launch
off the line yet drop your 4th gear cruising RPM about 300 rpm, so for a
205/50R15 tire, you would be doing 2700 RPM instead of the 3000 RPM with
the stock 2.88:1 ratio.

Why ask this, you say? Well, my stroker motors push out over 400 ft-lbs,
and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable
of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus
with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard
in pretty much any gear you choose.

Any thoughts?

Bugz

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 00:28:31 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:28:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears
In-Reply-To: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK>

Gary,

Do you know any application(s) for that fine splined 2.72 R&P?

bt


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gary" <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:17 PM
To: <mark.rense at ge.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears

> Mark,
>
> There is a 2.72 rear end gear that fits the Tiger differential. It has a 
> 26
> (fine) spline pinion gear, instead of the 10 (coarse) spline pinion gear.
>
> Gary
>
> --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) <mark.rense at ge.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) <mark.rense at ge.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 8:48 AM
>
>
> Speaking of gear ratios, has anyone ever found a Dana 44/Salisbury rear
> end ratio LOWER than the 2.88:1 ratio in our stock differentials?> Any 
> thoughts?
>
> Bugz

From rjw at wengco.com  Fri Feb 11 05:47:47 2011
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
Message-ID: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>

Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.

Thanks



Bob

B382001318

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Feb 11 06:21:29 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:21:29 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
In-Reply-To: <FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK>
References: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK>
Message-ID: <000001cbc9ee$97ea5f70$c7bf1e50$@rr.com>

http://www.autorama.com/casi/show/kansascity.php

I have wanted to enter my Tiger in this show for three years now.  February
is always a really bad time to be driving your car an hour to a show, got
lucky with the weather this year and had a very small window to get it
there.

Hundreds of cars and I would say 90% trailered in.  I am in the "Foreign
Sport" class for judging.  I could not find any other cars in the class thus
far.  Last night was move in and I arrived late due to being out of town.
So far, great comments on the car and lots of good questions.

Then there was a fellow that wanted to know about the rack:

Moron: What rack is in the car?
Me: I have read that it is a modified MG A rack but is Tiger specific.
Moron: I got an Alpine and want to make a Tiger out of it.
Me: Really.
Moron: I think a Buick V8 would be great, they are around 250 HP.
Me: What would much easier is to go with a Ford V6 kit that a guy makes and
is plug and play for the Alpine.
Moron: I don't like Ford engines.
Me: Well good luck with your project then.

Have had several of the "What a cool little car....wow!.!.??? who put the V8
into it?

Then next three days should be fun.  If you are in the area can make the
show, my Tiger is right in front of the  Meguiar's truck.

Duke
B382002037

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 06:41:29 2011
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:41:29 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
In-Reply-To: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
References: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <7683BE09-404D-4D9D-BC6E-783FA2143212@gmail.com>

I really like magnaflows and borlas.... But I've never knowingly heard them on
a tiger. They sound good on mustangs and stuff.

Sent from my mobile...

On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:47 AM, "Robert J. Wanty" <rjw at wengco.com> wrote:

> Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
> exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> B382001318
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From robin02 at mindspring.com  Fri Feb 11 07:24:53 2011
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:24:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
In-Reply-To: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
References: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <3B24AA2FF9954FAFBFB56A533D51191B@owner9967ddf8c>

I personally like the stainless Tri- Delta Flowmasters.  They are not
annoying at idle but sound great with a little peddle. The collector back is
a pretty simple run to make the exhaust SS. Apparently the best spot for a
cross over tube is 17" behind the exhaust ports. This happens to be just
beyond the collector and in a doable spot under the car. I used a 1"
crossover. RObin


Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.
Thanks
Bob
B382001318

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 07:33:35 2011
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:33:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
In-Reply-To: <7683BE09-404D-4D9D-BC6E-783FA2143212@gmail.com>
References: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
	<7683BE09-404D-4D9D-BC6E-783FA2143212@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85BB86DE-B524-4065-9697-088AF50DAC25@gmail.com>

flowmaster is too loud?  that's what I run and they sound the dog's!

On Feb 11, 2011, at 8:41, Clarkwgriswold <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com> wrote:

> I really like magnaflows and borlas.... But I've never knowingly heard them
on
> a tiger. They sound good on mustangs and stuff.
>
> Sent from my mobile...
>
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:47 AM, "Robert J. Wanty" <rjw at wengco.com> wrote:
>
>> Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
>> exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> B382001318
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 07:35:16 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:35:16 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
In-Reply-To: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
References: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <6145CBE62DBB4FDD9E6D56EC7329162A@BUCK>

The Walker Dynomax has the best performance among the quieter mufflers 
according to most magazine tests. The few that outperform it are much 
louder.

bt


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert J. Wanty" <rjw at wengco.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:47 AM
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler

> Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
> exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> B382001318
> _______________________________________________

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 08:24:38 2011
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:24:38 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
In-Reply-To: <6145CBE62DBB4FDD9E6D56EC7329162A@BUCK>
References: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
	<6145CBE62DBB4FDD9E6D56EC7329162A@BUCK>
Message-ID: <006a01cbc9ff$cc8569d0$65903d70$@com>

Granted this is a poor substitute robert, but I might suggest you got to
"youtube" and type in muffler brand names....and if you can find a car with
a small block ford you might get a pretty good feel for the sound...at least
tone and rasp...some have annoying poppy sounds....you might be able to
avoid that at least.

Cullen

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:35 AM
To: Robert J. Wanty; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Muffler

The Walker Dynomax has the best performance among the quieter mufflers 
according to most magazine tests. The few that outperform it are much 
louder.

bt


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert J. Wanty" <rjw at wengco.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:47 AM
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler

> Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
> exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> B382001318
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From tym2 at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 09:00:59 2011
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:00:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Monroe Air Shocks
In-Reply-To: <749885393.702711.1297439352493.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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Tigers, 


Can anyone provide me with the part numbers of Monroe Air Shocks that will fit my Mk1A? 


Thanks in advance. 


Tym McDowell 

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Feb 11 09:47:25 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:47:25 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Need help with header decision.
In-Reply-To: <396224957.703690.1297440059163.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20110211164725.I7U6T.104591.root@hrndva-web10-z01>

Closing in on header purchase time.

Would like the boardbs opinions on C.A.T. headers vs S.S. headers.

I believe that the S.S. headers are a smaller diameter?  This would help in
low end torque but trade off high RPM power.

I do not plan on revving the 347 over 6200 and will have the rev limiter set
at that point.

Looking for experience on fit and quality.

TIA!
Duke
B382002037

From Carmods at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 09:51:40 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:51:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Monroe Air Shocks
Message-ID: <135cef.6e8d0f3a.3a86c31c@aol.com>

Tym, 
 
The part number of the Monroe Air Shocks that I  have my Tiger is 20814. I 
had to replace the bottom steel  bushings with larger ones that would fit 
the Tiger  bolts.

 
John Logan

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 10:04:18 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:04:18 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Monroe Air Shocks
Message-ID: <1af5a1.3fe9fad5.3a86c612@aol.com>

I bought a set a couple of years ago to play with, but I  can't  find the 
numbers or the box or the bill. I recently had a stroke so just not  quite 
wih it  I'll look in the garagw again

From mark.rense at ge.com  Fri Feb 11 10:07:50 2011
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:07:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A07B983F0@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Bob,
I have always believed that stealth is an integral part of not getting
points on your license, so I don't car for overly loud cars or bikes.
These Dynomaxs' are what I used on my 289 Tiger , some may argue they
are a bit too quiet but I like not having a loud drone when inside the
car. They are not expensive, flow reasonably well (over 600 SCFM), they
fit, and seem to last.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WLK-17762/

Walker Dynomax has a page where you can hear the different mufflers, you
be the judge.

http://www.dynomax.com/soundsofdynomax.php

When I first bought my black Tiger, the PO had put on 2" straight
through pipes out the back, the car sounded awful, reminded me of an old
Falcon Econoline van I had in college. Adding a set of turbo mufflers to
that car gave it a quieter but much better exhaust note.

Bugz


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert J. Wanty
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:48 AM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler

Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.

Thanks



Bob

B382001318
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Fri Feb 11 11:52:38 2011
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:52:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
In-Reply-To: <000001cbc9ee$97ea5f70$c7bf1e50$@rr.com>
References: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK>
	<000001cbc9ee$97ea5f70$c7bf1e50$@rr.com>
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Duke et al:

Sounds familiar.  Chris Thoman and I had our Tigers at the outside car show
(between the display buildings) at the Grand National Roadster Show two weeks
ago in Pomona and heard a lot of similar comments.  I heard lots of whispers
of Tigers with Chrysler V-8s in Tigers.  Funny how the same mis-information
keeps cropping up.  I also spoke with someone building an Alpine, in this case
a V-6.

Tigers generate a LOT of interest at hot rod shows as most of the folks there
are not familiar with them.  Spend some time lurking (while not looking like
the owner!) around your Tiger and listen to what people say.  Funny, sad, and
silly things, mostly old perceptions of what a Tiger is and does.

Enjoy the show!

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Samouce's
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:21 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show

http://www.autorama.com/casi/show/kansascity.php

I have wanted to enter my Tiger in this show for three years now.  February
is always a really bad time to be driving your car an hour to a show, got
lucky with the weather this year and had a very small window to get it
there.

Hundreds of cars and I would say 90% trailered in.  I am in the "Foreign
Sport" class for judging.  I could not find any other cars in the class thus
far.  Last night was move in and I arrived late due to being out of town.
So far, great comments on the car and lots of good questions.

Then there was a fellow that wanted to know about the rack:

Moron: What rack is in the car?
Me: I have read that it is a modified MG A rack but is Tiger specific.
Moron: I got an Alpine and want to make a Tiger out of it.
Me: Really.
Moron: I think a Buick V8 would be great, they are around 250 HP.
Me: What would much easier is to go with a Ford V6 kit that a guy makes and
is plug and play for the Alpine.
Moron: I don't like Ford engines.
Me: Well good luck with your project then.

Have had several of the "What a cool little car....wow!.!.??? who put the V8
into it?

Then next three days should be fun.  If you are in the area can make the
show, my Tiger is right in front of the  Meguiar's truck.

Duke
B382002037

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Fri Feb 11 11:56:55 2011
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:56:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
In-Reply-To: <006a01cbc9ff$cc8569d0$65903d70$@com>
References: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
	<6145CBE62DBB4FDD9E6D56EC7329162A@BUCK>
	<006a01cbc9ff$cc8569d0$65903d70$@com>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93E3@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

I have an old system from Dale's Restorations.  It sound good at all levels.
If you visit You Tube and search for "350 hp Sunbeam Tiger" you will be able
to hear it on the chassis dyno at Superior Automotive.

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Cullen McCann
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:25 AM
To: 'Buck Trippel'; 'Robert J. Wanty'; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Muffler

Granted this is a poor substitute robert, but I might suggest you got to
"youtube" and type in muffler brand names....and if you can find a car with
a small block ford you might get a pretty good feel for the sound...at least
tone and rasp...some have annoying poppy sounds....you might be able to
avoid that at least.

Cullen

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:35 AM
To: Robert J. Wanty; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Muffler

The Walker Dynomax has the best performance among the quieter mufflers
according to most magazine tests. The few that outperform it are much
louder.

bt


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert J. Wanty" <rjw at wengco.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:47 AM
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler

> Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
> exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> B382001318
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 12:38:39 2011
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:38:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93DB@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
References: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK>
	<000001cbc9ee$97ea5f70$c7bf1e50$@rr.com>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93DB@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUz2XP2QSLWZUKeh9byHXAZ6+DkS_S_SxB9rWg@mail.gmail.com>

I sometimes take my Tiger to a local "Cruise Night."  There are lots of old
GTOs, Mustangs, Mopars, etc. as well as some relatively new high performance
cars (I once saw a new Ford GT!), usually modified in some way.  The newer
cars are usually brought by the younger crowd and there are quite a few
girlfriends to go with the car owners.  As the girlfriends start to get
bored looking at the similar (to them) old cars, they notice this cute
little red convertible and drag their boyfriend over with them to see it.
The boyfriends usually protest, saying that they are not really
interested in slow British cars.  All it takes is one look under the hood
(bonnet) as the boyfriend counts 8 wires coming off the distributor and he's
hooked.  I usually spend the next 10 - 15 minutes explaining to him the
history of Tigers and their performance. Meanwhile the girlfriend has gotten
bored again and wanders off to the restaurant to get a Bar-B-Que or soda.
(The cruise night is held in the restaurant's parking lot)  At some point,
the boyfriend realizes that his girl has left him and starts to panic.  The
next time I'm at Cruise Night, and he's around, he tells all his buddies to
go over and check out the LBC.

Of course some of the old-timers know about Tigers and they always come over
to admire it.  Even the guy that showed up in the Ford GT came over to talk
shop with me.

Keep on Tigering!
 Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp



On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Teepen, Jere <jteepen at usatoday.com> wrote:

> Duke et al:
>
> Sounds familiar.  Chris Thoman and I had our Tigers at the outside car show
> (between the display buildings) at the Grand National Roadster Show two
> weeks
> ago in Pomona and heard a lot of similar comments.  I heard lots of
> whispers
> of Tigers with Chrysler V-8s in Tigers.  Funny how the same mis-information
> keeps cropping up.  I also spoke with someone building an Alpine, in this
> case
> a V-6.
>
> Tigers generate a LOT of interest at hot rod shows as most of the folks
> there
> are not familiar with them.  Spend some time lurking (while not looking
> like
> the owner!) around your Tiger and listen to what people say.  Funny, sad,
> and
> silly things, mostly old perceptions of what a Tiger is and does.
>
> Enjoy the show!
>
> Jere
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Samouce's
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:21 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
>
> http://www.autorama.com/casi/show/kansascity.php
>
> I have wanted to enter my Tiger in this show for three years now.  February
> is always a really bad time to be driving your car an hour to a show, got
> lucky with the weather this year and had a very small window to get it
> there.
>
> Hundreds of cars and I would say 90% trailered in.  I am in the "Foreign
> Sport" class for judging.  I could not find any other cars in the class
> thus
> far.  Last night was move in and I arrived late due to being out of town.
> So far, great comments on the car and lots of good questions.
>
> Then there was a fellow that wanted to know about the rack:
>
> Moron: What rack is in the car?
> Me: I have read that it is a modified MG A rack but is Tiger specific.
> Moron: I got an Alpine and want to make a Tiger out of it.
> Me: Really.
> Moron: I think a Buick V8 would be great, they are around 250 HP.
> Me: What would much easier is to go with a Ford V6 kit that a guy makes and
> is plug and play for the Alpine.
> Moron: I don't like Ford engines.
> Me: Well good luck with your project then.
>
> Have had several of the "What a cool little car....wow!.!.??? who put the
> V8
> into it?
>
> Then next three days should be fun.  If you are in the area can make the
> show, my Tiger is right in front of the  Meguiar's truck.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>
> --

From jim at island.net  Fri Feb 11 12:42:25 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:42:25 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93DB@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
References: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK>
	<000001cbc9ee$97ea5f70$c7bf1e50$@rr.com>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93DB@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <01fe01cbca23$cf7c3140$6e7493c0$@net>

Jere

I don't mind it when one guy shows up as you can usually explain the 'Tiger
story' to him... the funniest is when 2 guys are looking... one of them is
always the 'expert' and usually tells the other about how 'These all came
with ( Chevy) 283's originally' and other such gems of Tiger lore... lol!

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:53 AM
To: Samouce's; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show

Duke et al:

Sounds familiar.  Chris Thoman and I had our Tigers at the outside car show
(between the display buildings) at the Grand National Roadster Show two
weeks
ago in Pomona and heard a lot of similar comments.  I heard lots of whispers
of Tigers with Chrysler V-8s in Tigers.  Funny how the same mis-information
keeps cropping up.  I also spoke with someone building an Alpine, in this
case
a V-6.

Tigers generate a LOT of interest at hot rod shows as most of the folks
there
are not familiar with them.  Spend some time lurking (while not looking like
the owner!) around your Tiger and listen to what people say.  Funny, sad,
and
silly things, mostly old perceptions of what a Tiger is and does.

Enjoy the show!

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
Behalf Of Samouce's
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:21 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show

http://www.autorama.com/casi/show/kansascity.php

I have wanted to enter my Tiger in this show for three years now.  February
is always a really bad time to be driving your car an hour to a show, got
lucky with the weather this year and had a very small window to get it
there.

Hundreds of cars and I would say 90% trailered in.  I am in the "Foreign
Sport" class for judging.  I could not find any other cars in the class thus
far.  Last night was move in and I arrived late due to being out of town.
So far, great comments on the car and lots of good questions.

Then there was a fellow that wanted to know about the rack:

Moron: What rack is in the car?
Me: I have read that it is a modified MG A rack but is Tiger specific.
Moron: I got an Alpine and want to make a Tiger out of it.
Me: Really.
Moron: I think a Buick V8 would be great, they are around 250 HP.
Me: What would much easier is to go with a Ford V6 kit that a guy makes and
is plug and play for the Alpine.
Moron: I don't like Ford engines.
Me: Well good luck with your project then.

Have had several of the "What a cool little car....wow!.!.??? who put the V8
into it?

Then next three days should be fun.  If you are in the area can make the
show, my Tiger is right in front of the  Meguiar's truck.

Duke
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From cbowland at msn.com  Fri Feb 11 12:46:43 2011
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:46:43 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Periodic Table
Message-ID: <SNT125-DS2ED40024E7678E9277FBFDBEF0@phx.gbl>

Has anyone noted the listing if Sunbeam Tiger on the "Periodic Table of Sports
Cars? This is/was published by Car and Driver magazine. You can get to it
through Google or
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/periodic-table-of-sports-cars/print<http
://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/periodic-table-of-sports-cars/print>.

Nice to see a little recognition for our favorite cars.

Curt

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 12:58:55 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:58:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Need help with header decision.
In-Reply-To: <20110211164725.I7U6T.104591.root@hrndva-web10-z01>
References: <20110211164725.I7U6T.104591.root@hrndva-web10-z01>
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Hi Duke,

I have 3 Tigers, each with a different header/exhaust manifold.

I run the CAT headers on our race Tiger with a 289 that probably produces 
power in the range your stoker will. I have had no complaints.

The CAT headers have a tube diameter of 1-5/8" while the SS headers are 
1-1/2".

CAT headers have merged collectors while the SS don't.

CAT headers fit an unmodified Tiger. I did not have to grind a motor mount 
or anything like that. They simply dropped in. I don't own a set of SS 
headers so I can't comment on them.

The CAT headers should be test fit before coating. You may want to dimple 
the side of the tube near the flange to accommodate whatever fastener you 
choose to use. I use very small fasteners with a 3/8" head so the dimpling 
was quite minimal. A standard Craftsman spark plug socket fits fine on all 
plugs without any modification.

I've heard the torque theory before. However Alex Gabbard actually took the 
time to measure the before and after. He posted the results on this list 
last year. He compared a motor with the cast stock manifolds against the CAT 
headers. In theory the stock manifolds should have produced lots of torque. 
Instead the dyno showed that the CAT headers produced a lot more torque. 
What's the old engineering expression? All the theory in the world goes out 
the window with one good test? I applaud Alex for taking the time to make 
the comparison as well as freely sharing it with the list.

good luck,

Buck




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From: <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:47 AM
To: "Tiger's List" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Need help with header decision.

> Closing in on header purchase time.
>
> Would like the boardbs opinions on C.A.T. headers vs S.S. headers.
>
> I believe that the S.S. headers are a smaller diameter?  This would help 
> in
> low end torque but trade off high RPM power.
>
> I do not plan on revving the 347 over 6200 and will have the rev limiter 
> set
> at that point.
>
> Looking for experience on fit and quality.
>
> TIA!
> Duke
> B382002037
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 13:23:12 2011
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:23:12 EST
Subject: [Tigers] carpet kit
Message-ID: <f37a2.3d0f7733.3a86f4b0@aol.com>

my last winters project is about to finally start. .Major delay  caused my 
wife's colon cancer last winter  and my recent stroke on xmass  eve. so 
forgive the bad typing please.  While I have the diff and rear end  out of the 
Tiger I want to reinforce the spring mounts. I took all the carpet  out to 
weld  with no worries And the old stuff could be nicer. thought I'd  put some 
nicer stuff back in. besides Rick or Curt who else has nice stuff?  thanks 
for the ideas........cheers......phil

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Feb 11 14:21:02 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:21:02 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
In-Reply-To: <01fe01cbca23$cf7c3140$6e7493c0$@net>
References: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK>
	<000001cbc9ee$97ea5f70$c7bf1e50$@rr.com>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93DB@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<01fe01cbca23$cf7c3140$6e7493c0$@net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2C87A56@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

And don't forget that about 90% of the folks that come to check out your car
have a friend or relative whose father/son/friend had either a Tiger or an
Alpine, and they remember what a great car (or scary car) that was. You'd
think Rootes should still be in business since they produced lots of
persistent memories.

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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Fri Feb 11 17:20:31 2011
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 00:20:31 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds8E3AB2E7374FD80883D88ADEE0@phx.gbl>

I also recommend the DynoMax Super Turbo, either a 17762 (2"x2" 3 1/4" x 7 3/4" case, 14" shell length) or their (a little quieter but less clearance) 17730 (2"x2" 4 1/4"x9 3/4" case 14" shell length) I haven't bought any of these for about 10 years, so I don't know if the numbers are current. If you want a muffler pretty close to the sound of the original Tiger use stock 1965/1966 Mustang GT mufflers, original replacements, not a universal replacement.

David Franchi

From jim at island.net  Fri Feb 11 18:21:22 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:21:22 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
In-Reply-To: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
References: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <023601cbca53$29e37560$7daa6020$@net>

I went with Spintech 'cruizers'
http://www.spintechmufflers.com/mufflers/street-mufflers/cruiser-mufflers-70
00-series/round-collars/cat_120.html
 ..I don't think you can buy anything more low profile than their 2 1/4"
high x 9" x 16" case. They only have 2 1/4" or 2 1/2" inlet/outlet but you
can always have your pipes 'bumped' up to connect. I think they sound great!
... but then I like it a bit on the louder side. I don't think they're
excessive though, and I'm pushing close to 400hp through them... not a cheap
deal though @ $130 per.

Jim
B382000446

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Robert J. Wanty
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:48 AM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler

Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.

Thanks



Bob

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Feb 11 20:39:43 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:39:43 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
References: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK>
	<000001cbc9ee$97ea5f70$c7bf1e50$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <235C5F1CF33D4A52BACC9C58B075C1D6@student2>

>>>Moron: I think a Buick V8 would be great, they are around 250 HP.<<<

Well..., if he pivots the upper A-arm off the Buick's rocker arm it may fit.

Tom

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 20:45:19 2011
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:45:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Need help with header decision.
In-Reply-To: <20110211164725.I7U6T.104591.root@hrndva-web10-z01>
References: <396224957.703690.1297440059163.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<20110211164725.I7U6T.104591.root@hrndva-web10-z01>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiniKo-+4rLwm5iZ8XUKU60FKJb3iHw4NCxX6x9u@mail.gmail.com>

Duke,

I can't speak to performance. I installed Rick's headers (SS) with no
problems. The fit's tight but I didn't have to modify anything.

Tom

' 67 Mark 2

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM, <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:

> Closing in on header purchase time.
>
> Would like the boardb s opinions on C.A.T. headers vs S.S. headers.
>
> I believe that the S.S. headers are a smaller diameter?  This would help in
> low end torque but trade off high RPM power.
>
> I do not plan on revving the 347 over 6200 and will have the rev limiter
> set
> at that point.
>
> Looking for experience on fit and quality.
>
> TIA!
> Duke
> B382002037
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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Sat Feb 12 06:27:56 2011
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 08:27:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
References: <411882.40385.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><FB66CAEF3CAF485BAF8CB7D6A17508B8@BUCK><000001cbc9ee$97ea5f70$c7bf1e50$@rr.com><E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93DB@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<01fe01cbca23$cf7c3140$6e7493c0$@net>
Message-ID: <BD1E9BF8A86E4B319977182A1779BD84@3bfd27b5ca44402>

The Chrysler powered Tiger is the most prevalent myth by far.
AJ

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 12 12:49:52 2011
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 11:49:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1297537204.9241.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <364024.23180.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've had my Tiger out to the monthly Coffee and Cars in Houston a few times
(huge turnout with many big $ exotics every month). The Tiger is such an
unknown here that the old myths don't come up very often,. Most guys that do
know of the car, knew someone who had one and comment how crazy fast they
were. One old guy said he had a Tiger like mine except he had the slanted fins
in the back. He didn't want to beleive that only the two prototypes had such a
feature, so I dropped it rather than argue the point that he probably had an
Alpine with an engine (and title) swap.

Anyone who looks at the Tiger just loves it and I've had several say they like
it better than all the Ferraris, Lambos, Vipers, and Cobras (replicas). Those
are almost commonplace at this event compared to the Tiger. I'll have to bring
the Jensen Interceptor out sometime soon.

On a side note, I do get quite a few asking if it's a real Tiger. I'm a bit
distressed that there is a growing public expectation that a Tiger may not be
real. It's not like Cobra replicas where owners frequently say they have  a
'65 Shelby Cobra, rather than saying it's a 2006 Superformance Cobra or
whatever. I also seldom hear anyone ask if those are real Cobras anymore...
they either know real Cobras don't come out of storage, or don't know there's
a difference. Strange.

Stephen

From Carmods at aol.com  Sat Feb 12 13:11:29 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:11:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
Message-ID: <e6f97.2efaf739.3a884371@aol.com>

Are the DynoMax Super Turbo mufflers stainless?
 
John Logan 

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 12 14:07:05 2011
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 13:07:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
In-Reply-To: <364024.23180.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <404818.54139.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have had the same issue with my MGTD. There are Kit cars on VW chassis.  Is
it real? No longer bothers me.     Gary b9472283 tac311
--- On Sat, 2/12/11, Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 7:49 PM

I've had my Tiger out to the monthly Coffee and Cars in Houston a few times
(huge turnout with many big $ exotics every month). The Tiger is such an
unknown here that the old myths don't come up very often,. Most guys that do
know of the car, knew someone who had one and comment how crazy fast they
were. One old guy said he had a Tiger like mine except he had the slanted
fins
in the back. He didn't want to beleive that only the two prototypes had such
a
feature, so I dropped it rather than argue the point that he probably had an
Alpine with an engine (and title) swap.

Anyone who looks at the Tiger just loves it and I've had several say they
like
it better than all the Ferraris, Lambos, Vipers, and Cobras (replicas). Those
are almost commonplace at this event compared to the Tiger. I'll have to
bring
the Jensen Interceptor out sometime soon.

On a side note, I do get quite a few asking if it's a real Tiger. I'm a bit
distressed that there is a growing public expectation that a Tiger may not be
real. It's not like Cobra replicas where owners frequently say they have  a
'65 Shelby Cobra, rather than saying it's a 2006 Superformance Cobra or
whatever. I also seldom hear anyone ask if those are real Cobras anymore...
they either know real Cobras don't come out of storage, or don't know there's
a difference. Strange.

Stephen
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From denismercier at telvic.net  Sat Feb 12 14:39:11 2011
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:39:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Enclosed fan shroud
Message-ID: <3FF8E34403734F17A1A84A48F14174E2@D7F0WHF1>

Hi Guys.
I''ve just started for the first time my Tiger engine after instalation of
enclosed fan shroud and 15(Maverick fan, he pull a lot of air, a big
difference compared
to the standard configuration. Engine stay at 1850 at idle with 1800
thermostat, the test was done in the garage (750) without electric fan, but
it's cold outsite now,
i look foward to this summer to know the final result......
       Denis.

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Feb 12 15:42:53 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 14:42:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
References: <364024.23180.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C652DC46A3D429D9313A88B6D285DDB@student2>

>>>...except he had the slanted fins in the back. He didn't want to believe 
>>>that only the two prototypes had such a feature<<<

Somewhere in Tigerdom there was a person who liked the older look better and 
grafted the fins onto his Tiger. Can't remember where I read it. Hopefully 
someone can contribute.

Hummm.., I wonder if the Alpine crowd got on his case for trying to create a 
"Tipine."  :-)

Tom 

From scattt at verizon.net  Sat Feb 12 17:02:51 2011
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tempt sender
Message-ID: <86A3D94B026145AEB9E502F26F7A6C95@homef2683adebd>

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:39 PM
Subject: Fw: Tempt sender



----- Original Message -----
From: Nick L. Kintner
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:41 PM
Subject: Tempt sender


Does anyone have a Napa part number for a temp sender that will fit a
aftermarket manifold and correctly operate the stock gage? I appreciate the
help.
Nick

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 21:31:53 2011
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:31:53 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show
In-Reply-To: <4C652DC46A3D429D9313A88B6D285DDB@student2>
References: <364024.23180.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C652DC46A3D429D9313A88B6D285DDB@student2>
Message-ID: <393BB1AA46864A05879A9659C77990B0@DellD4700>

I seem to recall a picture of such a car with the story being that the Tiger
had been rear ended and an earlier Alpine rear end grafted on. That would have
been no problem except that the Tiger owner then sold the car as a rare
prototype.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 4:43 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] World Of Wheels car show

>>>...except he had the slanted fins in the back. He didn't want to believe
>>>that only the two prototypes had such a feature<<<

Somewhere in Tigerdom there was a person who liked the older look better and
grafted the fins onto his Tiger. Can't remember where I read it. Hopefully
someone can contribute.

Hummm.., I wonder if the Alpine crowd got on his case for trying to create a
"Tipine."  :-)

Tom
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 13 06:23:23 2011
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 05:23:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Black one?
Message-ID: <720617.21242.qm@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

A black one like that was purchased and shipped to a gentleman in Hawaii...maybe that is the one!


 
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Feb 13 08:28:19 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:28:19 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Summit Racing Discount Code
In-Reply-To: <393BB1AA46864A05879A9659C77990B0@DellD4700>
References: <364024.23180.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C652DC46A3D429D9313A88B6D285DDB@student2>
	<393BB1AA46864A05879A9659C77990B0@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <000001cbcb92$a4dfb860$ee9f2920$@rr.com>

Hey guys,

I just placed a big order with Summit for my 347.

I got a discount code from Summit booth at the World Of Wheels car show.

Good for 10%:

Code: ZD79007085
Expires: 3/10/11

Duke
B382002037

From sawhill at att.net  Sun Feb 13 09:21:19 2011
From: sawhill at att.net (Kenda Sawhill)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:21:19 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger with fins
Message-ID: <524348898ED64EE482BA98DB2B9EE9CC@HomeOffice>

Hello All,

 I have the Tiger that is mentioned in the Book Of Norman B9470860. long ago
it had been hit and had it's right front fender, right rear quarter and left
rear tail light section replaced. It is currently sitting on a rotisserie
waiting for reconstruction with the proper sheet metal.

 

Mac Sawhill  

From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Sun Feb 13 09:52:05 2011
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:52:05 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Black one?
In-Reply-To: <720617.21242.qm@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <720617.21242.qm@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1PofHA-0006AT-0q@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

If I'm not mistaken, this is the machine that was once falsely 
presented as significant.

https://ukiwpa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pLgmObwb_WAl751emY2fxJQlYPDZQdPniX6KVBmBXyZG94UtDZ3PYa5JnAEuUyC1jzIwb42g1_Nk-Rb0aXlzpe8E_vjzAY0_f/make_believe.jpg?psid=1

JD

At 05:23 AM 2/13/2011, mike schreiner wrote:
>A black one like that was purchased and shipped to a gentleman in 
>Hawaii...maybe that is the one!
>
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 13 10:01:47 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:01:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Black one?
In-Reply-To: <E1PofHA-0006AT-0q@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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ala 57 chevy?

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From: J D Johnson <j_d_johnson at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Black one?
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 8:52 AM


If I'm not mistaken, this is the machine that was once falsely 
presented as significant.

https://ukiwpa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pLgmObwb_WAl751emY2fxJQlYPDZQdPniX6KVBmBXyZG94UtDZ3PYa5JnAEuUyC1jzIwb42g1_Nk-Rb0aXlzpe8E_vjzAY0_f/make_believe.jpg?psid=1

JD

At 05:23 AM 2/13/2011, mike schreiner wrote:
>A black one like that was purchased and shipped to a gentleman in 
>Hawaii...maybe that is the one!
>
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 13 12:51:38 2011
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:51:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo (5") Rebuild Question
Message-ID: <932285.89712.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Years ago, I successfully rebuilt our Mark II's Girling servo unit (has worked
great for last 7 years).  Now I'm wanting to rebuild the 5" unit (the one from
my Mark I).

Upon dis-assembly,  it appears to be a good rebuild candidate except for one
major item: the primary vacuum piston leather seal.  It is damaged and not
usable.

Is there a source for replacement leather seals?  The standard rebuild kits
come with the rubber "insert" that fits beneath the leather seal... I'm
talking about the leather seal itself.

If not... I'm in the market for a vacuum piston with good leather seal (or if
necessary... an entire rebuild-able Girling MKIIA 5" servo.

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 13 13:30:22 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:30:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo (5") Rebuild Question
In-Reply-To: <932285.89712.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <884672.44402.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tiger Tom used to rebuild the servo units and I imangine bought the leather on
a roll.He might still have a piece he would let go of.I had his phone number
on an old phone but he is an "area"rep for TE/AE and his number is on the
newsletter.There may well be beter places to start looking but Tom is a good
eastern starting place. I would think that Dale A. might also have the
material on a roll for you west coast members.And although he is now retired
Doug Jennings is always willing to help. His number is on the TE/AE newsletter
as well.
TtT
PS:
I ask this previously and then lost the information. Would someone provide me
with contact info for Bill Pass of Golden ,Co or have him contact me off list.
THIA

--- On Sun, 2/13/11, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo (5") Rebuild Question
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 1:51 PM
> Years ago, I successfully rebuilt our
> Mark II's Girling servo unit (has worked
> great for last 7 years).  Now I'm wanting to rebuild
> the 5" unit (the one from
> my Mark I).
>
> Upon dis-assembly,  it appears to be a good rebuild
> candidate except for one
> major item: the primary vacuum piston leather seal. 
> It is damaged and not
> usable.
>
> Is there a source for replacement leather seals?  The
> standard rebuild kits
> come with the rubber "insert" that fits beneath the leather
> seal... I'm
> talking about the leather seal itself.
>
> If not... I'm in the market for a vacuum piston with good
> leather seal (or if
> necessary... an entire rebuild-able Girling MKIIA 5"
> servo.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Waite
> Grand Rapids, MI
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 13 15:00:33 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:00:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo (5") Rebuild Question
In-Reply-To: <932285.89712.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9688A5F739C648C389538AC1EC762D34@ronpc1>

Bill
	The parts list shows the big piston and seal as one part number so
I'm not sure it is serviceable.  I also seem to recollect that the piston
and leather seal is a press fit assembly but I don't know if you can
disassemble then reassemble the piston.   You may need to buy a replacement
piston assembly but you need to talk to an expert about your options.

Bill Martin rebuilds boosters check with him.
http://www.rootesgroupdepot.com/service.shtml

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Bill Waite
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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo (5") Rebuild Question


Years ago, I successfully rebuilt our Mark II's Girling servo unit (has
worked great for last 7 years).  Now I'm wanting to rebuild the 5" unit (the
one from my Mark I).

Upon dis-assembly,  it appears to be a good rebuild candidate except for one
major item: the primary vacuum piston leather seal.  It is damaged and not
usable.

Is there a source for replacement leather seals?  The standard rebuild kits
come with the rubber "insert" that fits beneath the leather seal... I'm
talking about the leather seal itself.

If not... I'm in the market for a vacuum piston with good leather seal (or
if necessary... an entire rebuild-able Girling MKIIA 5" servo.

Regards,

Bill Waite
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From barncobob at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 15:52:38 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:52:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
Message-ID: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>

without replacing the entire hood is there a preferred hood scoop to use. Is
it difficult to cut steel hood and attach scoop and have painted to match.
Does it rivet on, glue, what?

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 13 17:25:39 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:25:39 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
In-Reply-To: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim2EN+gNqSB=qAyAfUUhP_29WSHzifPXZ_dqwo5@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

There was a LAT option that was a scoop only. I believe it was fibreglass.
This seems quite similar to the Cobra/mustang scoops available so it might
be worth checking the various supplies of these products.

You could use the new automotive glues or rivert the scoop depending what
look you are after, but as for colour matching you are probably better off
to paint the whole bonnet to get a proper match.

On 14 February 2011 09:52, barncobob <barncobob at aol.com> wrote:

> without replacing the entire hood is there a preferred hood scoop to use.
> Is
> it difficult to cut steel hood and attach scoop and have painted to match.
> Does it rivet on, glue, what?
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 13 18:34:49 2011
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:34:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Black Tiger
Message-ID: <510673.21512.qm@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Yes, that is the car..It was sold and went to Hawaii..I emailed back and forth
with him when i sold him some parts....He sent me pics of it.....the buyer
knew it was a conversion, but still liked it...He also has another Tiger.  
Mike

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Sun Feb 13 20:03:55 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:03:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
In-Reply-To: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <23E000804FD34C16853BF87AE73D3647@BUCK>

As Michael posted, the LAT fiberglass hood scoop was fiberglass and was 
attached by pop rivets to the hood when it was installed on Shelby 
American's race Tiger driven mainly by the Lew Spencer (and raced once by 
Ken Miles).

BTW, That actual hood and scoop was on the Tiger when Rootes passed it on to 
Sports Car Forum. The hood stayed with the car after the rebuild and still 
exists today (unrestored) with the Shelby yellow showing through in a few 
spots.

Buck Trippel


--------------------------------------------------
From: "barncobob" <barncobob at aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:52 PM
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop

> without replacing the entire hood is there a preferred hood scoop to use. 
> Is
> it difficult to cut steel hood and attach scoop and have painted to match.
> Does it rivet on, glue, what?
> _______________________________________________

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Feb 13 20:10:37 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:10:37 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
In-Reply-To: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbcbf4$c1386b30$43a94190$@rr.com>

Do yourself a favor and replace the complete hood.  Dale A has a great one
that I have on my car.  The original (non modified) steel hood is stored in
the box I got the LAT hood in.  

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/001-6.jpg

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of barncobob
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:53 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop

without replacing the entire hood is there a preferred hood scoop to use. Is
it difficult to cut steel hood and attach scoop and have painted to match.
Does it rivet on, glue, what?
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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 13 20:38:35 2011
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:38:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Black Tiger
References: <510673.21512.qm@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4561D58C44D94478BFAF681E4E82257C@yourze8cxvr8tt>

mike,
   that's a nice looking car. and you said it best. the owner is happy with 
what he has. strange that others think he has to ask them first as to 
whether he can do his thing. it's easy to change body panels. i remember an 
odd beam that showed up at the te/ae united at indy many years ago. it had 
1959 cadillac rear fins and tail lights.
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:34 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Black Tiger


> Yes, that is the car..It was sold and went to Hawaii..I emailed back and 
> forth
> with him when i sold him some parts....He sent me pics of it.....the buyer
> knew it was a conversion, but still liked it...He also has another Tiger.
> Mike
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 13 20:50:33 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:50:33 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Balast Resistor
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2kiAMRyxDKg644r_wCN1AfLTRq6-6BTz7DpWB@mail.gmail.com>

Ok,

As many will know the Tiger uses a balast resistor.. this was a FOMOCO part.
People seem to pay lots for originals as there is a percepotion they are
NLA. Anyway.. there are repros available. i just watched this one on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619&item=190499378672&viewitem=&category=42606

Now this one is not concourse correct as it does not have the FOMOCO
stamp... both are avbailable. Im sure the follwoing should cover it:

same type as original (as per ebay auction) without FOMOCO:
National Parts depot 55-57 thunderbird parts:
T-12250-1 - without ford logo

Factory correct one:
T-12250-1A
RESISTOR ASSY, IGNITION, EXACT REPRO, 12 VOLT CAD PLATED CORRECT
STYLE REPRO WITH FOMOCO OVAL
EACH $21.95

Dont just enter the part number in or the wrong picture comes up.. if you go
into the online catalogue you will see the correct part.

Hope this helps all the Tiger people out there...


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 13 21:25:45 2011
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:25:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Balast Resistor
References: <AANLkTik2kiAMRyxDKg644r_wCN1AfLTRq6-6BTz7DpWB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9FE561408804B9DBCFEDA739082CCE2@yourze8cxvr8tt>

michael,
was this the one scott woerth was selling? if so it was probably on a tiger 
since they were his specialty. he did sell a few items for a few dollars. 
have you checked out what he listed today? several nice items.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Ignition Balast Resistor


> Ok,
>
> As many will know the Tiger uses a balast resistor.. this was a FOMOCO 
> part.
> People seem to pay lots for originals as there is a percepotion they are
> NLA. Anyway.. there are repros available. i just watched this one on ebay:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619&item=190499378672&viewitem=&category=42606
>
> Now this one is not concourse correct as it does not have the FOMOCO
> stamp... both are avbailable. Im sure the follwoing should cover it:
>
> same type as original (as per ebay auction) without FOMOCO:
> National Parts depot 55-57 thunderbird parts:
> T-12250-1 - without ford logo
>
> Factory correct one:
> T-12250-1A
> RESISTOR ASSY, IGNITION, EXACT REPRO, 12 VOLT CAD PLATED CORRECT
> STYLE REPRO WITH FOMOCO OVAL
> EACH $21.95
>
> Dont just enter the part number in or the wrong picture comes up.. if you 
> go
> into the online catalogue you will see the correct part.
>
> Hope this helps all the Tiger people out there...
>
>
> -- 
> Regards
>
> Michael King
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Feb 14 17:40:37 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:40:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] LAT hood scoops
In-Reply-To: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD99E7D8ED6E82-1CB0-1209C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D59CB85.8000206@socal.rr.com>

[PRIVATE] Barney (?),

The _/*LAT 25*/_**Hood *scoop*'s List Price was $15.  This is NOT the 
*LAT _/79/_**//**/H/**/OOD/  (*with scoop and heat "exhauster") which 
was $135.

At least 3 reproductions were made. 1 hand made one-off from Chattanooga:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys4.asp

KENT WILCOX
619-449-8764
619-448-6700 (WORK)
1763 NORTH MARSHAL
EL CAJON, CA 92020

Jeff Cushing carbon Fiber (May not be located here, now.
Tiger Technologies, P.O. Box 2302, Huntington Beach, CA 92647. Keep it 
straight down the road of life...

*And some of my own installation advise:

*http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-body9.asp

This later information is dated July, 1997











/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/13/11 2:52 PM, barncobob wrote:
> without replacing the entire hood is there a preferred hood scoop to use. Is
> it difficult to cut steel hood and attach scoop and have painted to match.
> Does it rivet on, glue, what?
> _______________________________________________

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 22:28:11 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:28:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] looking for Michael Eisenberg
In-Reply-To: <4D59CB85.8000206@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <986916.66495.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dose anyone know Mike Eisenberg or if he is a member of the 'LIST". If memory serves he was from Northridge, Ca and was involved with Maeco Motorsports
TIA
TonytheTiger

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Mon Feb 14 22:44:38 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:44:38 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] looking for Michael Eisenberg
In-Reply-To: <986916.66495.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <986916.66495.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAFD54FBA8AE407EB178DD11269A65AF@BUCK>

Tony,

Mike is a CAT member and the number he has listed in the CAT roster is (818) 
701-1923. He owns the race car preparation shop MAECO in Northridge, CA and 
I suspect that is his work number.

Buck


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:28 PM
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] looking for Michael Eisenberg

> Dose anyone know Mike Eisenberg or if he is a member of the 'LIST". If 
> memory serves he was from Northridge, Ca and was involved with Maeco 
> Motorsports
> TIA
> TonytheTiger
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 15 17:14:09 2011
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:14:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo Rebuild Information
In-Reply-To: <FE0F1B1E22954446A7C9B311294E778B01F6E6CA@EX-FO.coxtarget.com>
Message-ID: <251885.45370.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My thanks to John Logan, Ron Fraser, Tony "Somebody," Peter Stanisavljevich
and others who responded to my question regarding replacement of the leather
seal on Girling brake servos.

I thought I'd summarize some things in case others are interested in
rebuilding their servos.  If any of you guys have additional information to
add, please reply to this posting so all can benefit.

The "premier" instructions on how to rebuild a servo were written by Tom
Ehrhart (Tiger Tom) quite a few years ago.  I followed his instructions when I
rebuilt my Mark II servo many years ago (the 7" unit) and it has worked
perfectly ever since.  The link:

http://teae.org/servo-unit-rebuild-instructions/

Additional information can be found in the article by Phil Lindsay at this
link:

http://teae.org/servo-survival/

The basic seal kits for rebuilds are available from Sunbeam Specialties (and
others, but Rick has always been my "supplier of choice"):

http://www.rootes.com/catalogindex.html

You can find kits on eBay, too... and probably many other sources.  I have
only used a Girling brand kit myself, so I am not sure about the quality of
other brands.  Anyone have experience?

Usually, the leather seal is still serviceable (even after nearly 50 years). 
But... if it isn't or you want a fresh start, the original leather seals can
be replaced by an updated rubber seal from this source (thanks Peter):

http://www.jlspares.com/sealkits1.htm

I received the following information from Phil at J&L Spares regarding their
replacement seals:

Hello Bill, thanks for your inquiry. Yes we do have a
replacement seal. These
are made of polyurethane and we use them all the time
when rebuilding servos
as we were having problems
with the original leather ones. The cost is #25.00
each plus postage and v.a.t. ( if applicable). Thanks Phil

I asked him about how they are installed and this was his reply:

Hello Bill, with our replacement seal you would need to
split the vacuum
piston, the outer ring will come off. We put them in a small
vice (not the
chrome pushrod) the round piston and with a small chisel working
your way
round the piston you can split them. The new seal fits straight on
with NO
rubber ring then we press them back together. If you are very careful
you
should have no problems. Ideally press the two parts back together in a
press
if you have access to one. Thanks Phil.

If the rebuild seems like something you don't want to do yourself, others have
mentioned these sources:

Bill Martin at : http://www.rootesgroupdepot.com/service.shtml

Randy Willett:: email at willett581 at msn.com (may be outdated?)

Regards,

Bill Waite

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 15 18:14:47 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing
Message-ID: <E28134446C584DE888A5C395B63B6EF1@jeffnicholsPC>

I believe Jeff Cushing died a few years ago and I don't know if anyone is
making his hood scoops.  Here is a bolt on type that you can shorten to any
length:
 
http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/Fiberglass/hood_scoops.htm
 
 
                                                              Jeff  

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Feb 15 19:59:16 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:59:16 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing
In-Reply-To: <E28134446C584DE888A5C395B63B6EF1@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <E28134446C584DE888A5C395B63B6EF1@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <4D5B3D84.2040907@socal.rr.com>

Jeff Nichols,

I am sorry to hear of Jeff Cushing's passing.  A true Tiger enthusiast.

Your "hood scoops" links may be what some want, but Jeff's offering was 
the FULL LAT 79 hood with carbon fiber layers.

Steve

/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/15/11 5:14 PM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote:
> I believe Jeff Cushing died a few years ago and I don't know if anyone 
> is making his hood scoops.  Here is a bolt on type that you can 
> shorten to any length:
> http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/Fiberglass/hood_scoops.htm
>                                                               Jeff

From wseay at embarqmail.com  Wed Feb 16 09:06:04 2011
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:06:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo Rebuild Information
In-Reply-To: <251885.45370.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <FE0F1B1E22954446A7C9B311294E778B01F6E6CA@EX-FO.coxtarget.com>
	<251885.45370.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001cbcdf3$6b13fc50$413bf4f0$@com>

While you're at it you might want to list the Tiger workshop manual as a
resource of rebuild information.  The workshop manual gives cutaway views of the
servo and a good explanation of how the unit works and how to rebuild it.  The
manual also contains a drawing of the "compression tool" that's required to hold
the piston in place while a retaining clip is removed.  The drawing contains
dimensions so you can make the "tool" from a piece of coat-hanger wire.

Will Seay_____________
wseay at embarqmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Waite
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:14 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: Peter Stanisavljevich
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo Rebuild Information

My thanks to John Logan, Ron Fraser, Tony "Somebody," Peter Stanisavljevich
and others who responded to my question regarding replacement of the leather
seal on Girling brake servos.

I thought I'd summarize some things in case others are interested in
rebuilding their servos.  If any of you guys have additional information to
add, please reply to this posting so all can benefit.

The "premier" instructions on how to rebuild a servo were written by Tom
Ehrhart (Tiger Tom) quite a few years ago.  I followed his instructions when I
rebuilt my Mark II servo many years ago (the 7" unit) and it has worked
perfectly ever since.  The link:

http://teae.org/servo-unit-rebuild-instructions/

Additional information can be found in the article by Phil Lindsay at this
link:

http://teae.org/servo-survival/

The basic seal kits for rebuilds are available from Sunbeam Specialties (and
others, but Rick has always been my "supplier of choice"):

http://www.rootes.com/catalogindex.html

You can find kits on eBay, too... and probably many other sources.  I have
only used a Girling brand kit myself, so I am not sure about the quality of
other brands.  Anyone have experience?

Usually, the leather seal is still serviceable (even after nearly 50 years). 
But... if it isn't or you want a fresh start, the original leather seals can
be replaced by an updated rubber seal from this source (thanks Peter):

http://www.jlspares.com/sealkits1.htm

I received the following information from Phil at J&L Spares regarding their
replacement seals:

Hello Bill, thanks for your inquiry. Yes we do have a
replacement seal. These
are made of polyurethane and we use them all the time
when rebuilding servos
as we were having problems
with the original leather ones. The cost is #25.00
each plus postage and v.a.t. ( if applicable). Thanks Phil

I asked him about how they are installed and this was his reply:

Hello Bill, with our replacement seal you would need to
split the vacuum
piston, the outer ring will come off. We put them in a small
vice (not the
chrome pushrod) the round piston and with a small chisel working
your way
round the piston you can split them. The new seal fits straight on
with NO
rubber ring then we press them back together. If you are very careful
you
should have no problems. Ideally press the two parts back together in a
press
if you have access to one. Thanks Phil.

If the rebuild seems like something you don't want to do yourself, others have
mentioned these sources:

Bill Martin at : http://www.rootesgroupdepot.com/service.shtml

Randy Willett:: email at willett581 at msn.com (may be outdated?)

Regards,

Bill Waite

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Wed Feb 16 12:09:53 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:09:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo Rebuild Information
In-Reply-To: <000001cbcdf3$6b13fc50$413bf4f0$@com>
References: <FE0F1B1E22954446A7C9B311294E778B01F6E6CA@EX-FO.coxtarget.com>
	<251885.45370.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000001cbcdf3$6b13fc50$413bf4f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4D5C2101.7030305@socal.rr.com>

Will,

There is a lot of original documentation, including the Workshop Manual, 
on TigersUnited.com

One "pot full" of documents can be found at the Bottom Left side hot 
link box on every page.

The "See Rootes Resources" will lead you to a number of them, including 
the Part Lists, LAT lists, Dealer Option Catalog, Factory Race 
Equipment, and both the Tiger and Alpine Parts List. The "Workshop 
Manual" covers both the Mk I and Mk II models

You should browse this page, and the specific original Workshop Manual:

http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm1.asp


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/16/11 8:06 AM, Will Seay wrote:
> While you're at it you might want to list the Tiger workshop manual as a
> resource of rebuild information.  The workshop manual gives cutaway views of the
> servo and a good explanation of how the unit works and how to rebuild it.  The
> manual also contains a drawing of the "compression tool" that's required to hold
> the piston in place while a retaining clip is removed.  The drawing contains
> dimensions so you can make the "tool" from a piece of coat-hanger wire.
>
> Will Seay_____________
> wseay at embarqmail.com

From barncobob at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 17:00:01 2011
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:00:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] hood scoop
Message-ID: <8CD9C4CC1A0B094-22E8-151DA@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com>

dave, thnx for pics.

From rjw at wengco.com  Thu Feb 17 05:57:38 2011
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:57:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler
Message-ID: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B03BCEB@weco1.wengco.com>

If anyone is interested here are the results of my inquiry on mufflers.

I used Flowmaster 3 chamber mufflers. The sound nice.
DynoMax Super Turbo
stock 1965/1966 Mustang GT mufflers, original replacements, not a
universal replacement.
Magnaflows
Walker Dynomax has the best performance among the quieter mufflers
Dynomaxs
magnaflows and borlas
stainless Tri- Delta Flowmasters
Flowmaster
Dynomax Super Turbos

Bob
B382001318

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert J. Wanty
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:48 AM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler

Any recommendations for mufflers for 260, 4bbl, mild cam, headers and 2"
exhaust. I would like some noise but not a window rattler.

Thanks



Bob

B382001318
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From spmdr at juno.com  Thu Feb 17 09:00:52 2011
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:00:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hood scoops
Message-ID: <20110217.080052.2360.0.spmdr@juno.com>

One source for hood scoops is Steve Alcala 310 322 6323

He has fiberglass versions of an aluminium one he made for Tom Sakai.

It has a more rounded / pointed back than the LAT.

Similar to the T-bird / HSC scoop, only a bit smaller.

DW
____________________________________________________________
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If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
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From allanballard at att.net  Thu Feb 17 12:30:18 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Correct color for block
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93E3@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
References: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F8796@weco1.wengco.com>
	<6145CBE62DBB4FDD9E6D56EC7329162A@BUCK>
	<006a01cbc9ff$cc8569d0$65903d70$@com>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93E3@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <33C97D44-D092-4D49-BB67-E1C21D609C2C@att.net>

Does anyone know the factory correct color for the engine block on
a '66 Mk1a Tiger <B382000091> ... ?

Is satin black correct?

Rgds,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine

From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Feb 17 13:55:23 2011
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:55:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Correct color for block
In-Reply-To: <33C97D44-D092-4D49-BB67-E1C21D609C2C@att.net>
Message-ID: <20110217155523.DQ3Z1.297932.imail@eastrmwml36>

Allan:

There was a major discussion thread about this very subject a while back on the e-mail list.  If I remember correctly, it has more to do with the engine number than it does with the serial number of the car.  Please post your engine number on the list here and I'm sure the powers that be can give you a difinitive answer.

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote: 
> Does anyone know the factory correct color for the engine block on
> a '66 Mk1a Tiger <B382000091> ... ?
> 
> Is satin black correct?
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Feb 17 14:42:55 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:42:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Correct color for block
In-Reply-To: <20110217155523.DQ3Z1.297932.imail@eastrmwml36>
Message-ID: <8F281661238D45F58504742B5D6BF52C@ronpc1>

	The B19KC group of engines is the only group that can be a problem
to determine its color.   The early B19KC engines are black, the later B19KC
engines are blue.

TBON states Black for the block color.

Bob Mannel's Book states Satin (semi-gloss) Black.

So choose the shade of black you like best and paint away.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of awtiger at cox.net
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 3:55 PM
To: Allan Ballard; Beamclub TIGER
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct color for block


Allan:

There was a major discussion thread about this very subject a while back on
the e-mail list.  If I remember correctly, it has more to do with the engine
number than it does with the serial number of the car.  Please post your
engine number on the list here and I'm sure the powers that be can give you
a difinitive answer.

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know the factory correct color for the engine block on a
> '66 Mk1a Tiger <B382000091> ... ?
>
> Is satin black correct?
>
> Rgds,
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
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From zimme008 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 17 15:11:07 2011
From: zimme008 at yahoo.com (Randy Zimmermann)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:11:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Correct color for block
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	<6145CBE62DBB4FDD9E6D56EC7329162A@BUCK>
	<006a01cbc9ff$cc8569d0$65903d70$@com>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544587A93E3@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<33C97D44-D092-4D49-BB67-E1C21D609C2C@att.net>
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For that year I would think it would be Ford Blue.

Randy Z.
1967 Sunbeam Tiger MkIa




________________________________
From: Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net>
To: Beamclub TIGER <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 1:30:18 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Correct color for block

Does anyone know the factory correct color for the engine block on
a '66 Mk1a Tiger <B382000091> ... ?

Is satin black correct?

Rgds,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine
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From allanballard at att.net  Thu Feb 17 16:46:20 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:46:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Correct color for block
In-Reply-To: <20110217155523.DQ3Z1.297932.imail@eastrmwml36>
References: <20110217155523.DQ3Z1.297932.imail@eastrmwml36>
Message-ID: <F874F1FE-2E44-49F5-8AA0-C9EF48A8BCA0@att.net>

I'll try and get the engine # -  presently the engine is out of the
car on the floor of a shop.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Feb 17, 2011, at 3:55 PM, <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:

> Allan:
>
> There was a major discussion thread about this very subject a while back on
the e-mail list.  If I remember correctly, it has more to do with the engine
number than it does with the serial number of the car.  Please post your
engine number on the list here and I'm sure the powers that be can give you a
difinitive answer.
>
> Take care,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
>
> ---- Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:
>> Does anyone know the factory correct color for the engine block on
>> a '66 Mk1a Tiger <B382000091> ... ?
>>
>> Is satin black correct?
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1a Tiger
>> SIV Alpine
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Feb 17 17:43:48 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:43:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Correct color for block
In-Reply-To: <151991.64069.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F58341DB90254A58BAE344129AEC85C5@ronpc1>

Randy 
	The year does not matter; the engine number matters.  Ford built the
engines and Ford controlled the color of the blocks.

	All 260 and 289 engines were painted black through the 1965 model
year; in Aug 1965, the 1966 model year, Ford changed the color of the
engines to blue.  The B19KC engine group crosses both model years.  The
spring build was in the 1965 model year and painted black.  The fall build
was in the 1966 model year and painted blue.

Ron Fraser
	
-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Randy Zimmermann
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:11 PM
To: Allan Ballard; Beamclub TIGER
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct color for block


For that year I would think it would be Ford Blue.

Randy Z.
1967 Sunbeam Tiger MkIa




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To: Beamclub TIGER <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 1:30:18 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Correct color for block

Does anyone know the factory correct color for the engine block on a '66
Mk1a Tiger <B382000091> ... ?

Is satin black correct?

Rgds,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Thu Feb 17 18:47:41 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:47:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] LAT options, Workshop Manual, Parts Lists ....
Message-ID: <4D5DCFBD.7000305@socal.rr.com>

I did send this already, but the original title may have misled 
readers.  It is a reply for information, and the resource to find it.

"There's GOLD in them thar hills!"

Will,

There is a lot of original documentation, including the Workshop Manual,
on TigersUnited.com

One "pot full" of documents can be found at the Bottom Left side hot
link box on every page.

The "See Rootes Resources" will lead you to a number of them, including
the Part Lists, LAT lists, Dealer Option Catalog, Factory Race
Equipment, and both the Tiger and Alpine Parts List. The "Workshop
Manual" covers both the Mk I and Mk II models

You should browse this page, and the specific original Workshop Manual:

http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm1.asp

Steve
-- 



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From mgman71 at comcast.net  Sat Feb 19 07:58:55 2011
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:58:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Test
Message-ID: <56289731.1286866.1298127535808.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Test post 

From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sat Feb 19 10:34:31 2011
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:34:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo (5") Rebuild Question
In-Reply-To: <9688A5F739C648C389538AC1EC762D34@ronpc1>
References: <932285.89712.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9688A5F739C648C389538AC1EC762D34@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbjR+kHbEPhY+NrL7pb+8NY0BQ0YEV-e1jyiRM@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine with an alpine was having trouble with the piston sticking
after he rebuilt his servo, so he cut the leather off and claims it works
mint! I haven t tried it though.
   Jeff

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Bill
>        The parts list shows the big piston and seal as one part number so
> I'm not sure it is serviceable.  I also seem to recollect that the piston
> and leather seal is a press fit assembly but I don't know if you can
> disassemble then reassemble the piston.   You may need to buy a replacement
> piston assembly but you need to talk to an expert about your options.
>
> Bill Martin rebuilds boosters check with him.
> http://www.rootesgroupdepot.com/service.shtml
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Bill Waite
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:52 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Girling Servo (5") Rebuild Question
>
>
>  Years ago, I successfully rebuilt our Mark II's Girling servo unit (has
> worked great for last 7 years).  Now I'm wanting to rebuild the 5" unit
> (the
> one from my Mark I).
>
> Upon dis-assembly,  it appears to be a good rebuild candidate except for
> one
> major item: the primary vacuum piston leather seal.  It is damaged and not
> usable.
>
> Is there a source for replacement leather seals?  The standard rebuild kits
> come with the rubber "insert" that fits beneath the leather seal... I'm
> talking about the leather seal itself.
>
> If not... I'm in the market for a vacuum piston with good leather seal (or
> if necessary... an entire rebuild-able Girling MKIIA 5" servo.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Waite
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From c_mottram at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 20 18:33:14 2011
From: c_mottram at yahoo.com (Chris Mottram)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:33:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] It's alive
Message-ID: <855558.68554.qm@web38307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've been subscribed to this list since the beginning and to the general
purpose 
LBC list that preceded it. Car guy time waxes and wanes with job and
family, 
but, I got the Tiger back on the road this weekend after a couple of
years stuck 
in the garage. I forgot how much fun it is to drive and that you
can't go 
anywhere without people pull up beside you to ask what it is, or
talk about the 
one in their family.  Now if I can just get it so I don't
smell like gas and oil 
when I get out of the car, I could drive it to the
office.....
 
Chris
 
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From allanballard at att.net  Sun Feb 20 19:28:22 2011
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] It's alive
In-Reply-To: <855558.68554.qm@web38307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hey a little smell of gas and oil is cool!

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Chris Mottram wrote:

> I've been subscribed to this list since the beginning and to the general
> purpose
> LBC list that preceded it. Car guy time waxes and wanes with job and
> family,
> but, I got the Tiger back on the road this weekend after a couple of
> years stuck
> in the garage. I forgot how much fun it is to drive and that you
> can't go
> anywhere without people pull up beside you to ask what it is, or
> talk about the
> one in their family.  Now if I can just get it so I don't
> smell like gas and oil
> when I get out of the car, I could drive it to the
> office.....
>
> Chris
>
> View this at your own risk > http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Feb 20 20:50:37 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:50:37 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] It's alive
In-Reply-To: <855558.68554.qm@web38307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <855558.68554.qm@web38307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601cbd17a$80730cf0$815926d0$@rr.com>

That smell is just the Tiger marking you.  Big cats do that.

Duke
382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Chris Mottram
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 7:33 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] It's alive

I've been subscribed to this list since the beginning and to the general
purpose 
LBC list that preceded it. Car guy time waxes and wanes with job and
family, 
but, I got the Tiger back on the road this weekend after a couple of
years stuck 
in the garage. I forgot how much fun it is to drive and that you
can't go 
anywhere without people pull up beside you to ask what it is, or
talk about the 
one in their family.  Now if I can just get it so I don't
smell like gas and oil 
when I get out of the car, I could drive it to the
office.....
 
Chris
 
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From ascott at globalplastics.co.zw  Sun Feb 20 23:48:00 2011
From: ascott at globalplastics.co.zw (Athena Scott)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:48:00 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Instructions to fit crash pad
Message-ID: <94E0A46F8495464880EAD05CE68CDA94@globalplastics.co.zw>

I am in the process of trying to fit a new crash pad.  I have received a set
of written instructions, but would like a set of instructions including
tips, pitfalls, etc from someone who has done the job themselves.  Can
anyone please help me?

 

Thanks

Derek

(in Zimbabwe)

B9480008

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 07:10:29 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:10:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Instructions to fit crash pad
In-Reply-To: <94E0A46F8495464880EAD05CE68CDA94@globalplastics.co.zw>
Message-ID: <970835328.1256194.1298297429634.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Derek,
Its been a while but here is how I would do it:
1. Lay pad down and trim the edges.  The edges by the door opening
are a challenge.  IIRC you need to get it so the clip on furflex(?) will
still pinch the pad down.
2.  With a small drill, drill through the tonnoue pin holes such that you can
push a small pin or nail up through the bottom.
3.  With a paint brush, coat the dash top and the bottom of the pad
with contact cement.
4.  Lay down a layer of wax-paper over the dash and its dried contact
cement.
5.  Lay pad down and carefully align it into position.  A helper will help
here because you want to keep it in position as you slide out the wax
paper (you probably should use several separate pieces).  You get
ONE chance because when the two sides contact, they are stuck
for life.
6.  Poke the pins up from the bottom to locate the holes, reinstall the
tonnue pins, the defroster slot grills, etc.
7.  Now glue the bottom edge that wraps under.
8.  Install the aluminum and cardboard pieces underneath with pop
rivets.

Good luck,
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Athena Scott <ascott at globalplastics.co.zw>
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:48:00 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Instructions to fit crash pad

I am in the process of trying to fit a new crash pad.  I have received a set
of written instructions, but would like a set of instructions including
tips, pitfalls, etc from someone who has done the job themselves.  Can
anyone please help me?

 

Thanks

Derek

(in Zimbabwe)

B9480008

From cars at wt-inc.com  Mon Feb 21 07:44:12 2011
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Instructions to fit crash pad
In-Reply-To: <970835328.1256194.1298297429634.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <94E0A46F8495464880EAD05CE68CDA94@globalplastics.co.zw>
	<970835328.1256194.1298297429634.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001cbd1d5$ced9ca90$6c8d5fb0$@com>

The only thing I would add is to make sure you use a high quality glue.  I
bought some from a local upholstery shop.

Otherwise Gary's comment about being "stuck for life" is not quite accurate.
While you will not move it anytime soon, hot sun can loosen poor quality
glue causing it to release.  

Good luck.  I remember there was a high pucker factor when I did mine but it
has been about 10 years and the dash is still glued down.

Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Gary Winblad
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Athena Scott
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Instructions to fit crash pad

Hi Derek,
Its been a while but here is how I would do it:
1. Lay pad down and trim the edges.  The edges by the door opening
are a challenge.  IIRC you need to get it so the clip on furflex(?) will
still pinch the pad down.
2.  With a small drill, drill through the tonnoue pin holes such that you
can
push a small pin or nail up through the bottom.
3.  With a paint brush, coat the dash top and the bottom of the pad
with contact cement.
4.  Lay down a layer of wax-paper over the dash and its dried contact
cement.
5.  Lay pad down and carefully align it into position.  A helper will help
here because you want to keep it in position as you slide out the wax
paper (you probably should use several separate pieces).  You get
ONE chance because when the two sides contact, they are stuck
for life.
6.  Poke the pins up from the bottom to locate the holes, reinstall the
tonnue pins, the defroster slot grills, etc.
7.  Now glue the bottom edge that wraps under.
8.  Install the aluminum and cardboard pieces underneath with pop
rivets.

Good luck,
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Athena Scott <ascott at globalplastics.co.zw>
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:48:00 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Instructions to fit crash pad

I am in the process of trying to fit a new crash pad.  I have received a set
of written instructions, but would like a set of instructions including
tips, pitfalls, etc from someone who has done the job themselves.  Can
anyone please help me?

 

Thanks

Derek

(in Zimbabwe)

B9480008
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 08:10:42 2011
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:10:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Pad
Message-ID: <330097.80257.qm@web161410.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

A great strong glue to use is  5200 by 3m...it is white marine adhesive
(available at home depot)  It takes a couple of days to dry but is very
strong...Mike

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Feb 21 10:10:10 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:10:10 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Paint codes??
Message-ID: <862C68349DFE46378515EB986D764F7C@jerry>

List,

 

A friend of mine just bought two MKll Tigers out in CA. (some of you might
know who he got them from??).  Anyway he's having one of them restored and
changing the color (yellow) back to original "Orchid Green" #109.  Does
anyone know this color and what if any, cross color, manufacture, or recipe
of this color that can be copied?? 

 

Thanks

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 11:24:19 2011
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:24:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Paint codes??
In-Reply-To: <862C68349DFE46378515EB986D764F7C@jerry>
References: <862C68349DFE46378515EB986D764F7C@jerry>
Message-ID: <5C0B8596-29C8-4733-9A16-D34107E21044@yahoo.com>

here's a pic of what it looks like i think, on a mark 2 no less.  i love it.
sorry, dont have paint codes for it.  not sure source for this pic.

jerry will get the pic, server will delete from the list distribution.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of P1000043.jpg]
On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:

> List,
>
>
>
> A friend of mine just bought two MKll Tigers out in CA. (some of you might
> know who he got them from??).  Anyway he's having one of them restored and
> changing the color (yellow) back to original "Orchid Green" #109.  Does
> anyone know this color and what if any, cross color, manufacture, or recipe
> of this color that can be copied??
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
> 9473187
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Feb 21 12:33:14 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:33:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Paint codes??
In-Reply-To: <862C68349DFE46378515EB986D764F7C@jerry>
Message-ID: <9F9F27FBAA1242609239083A3C5AB790@ronpc1>

Jerry

Code 109 Orchid Green	Ditzler #43586	Lucite lacquer #8439L	Dulux enamel
#98084H	Berger code 404.2374
ICI 4871

I hope one of these numbers helps you.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jerry & Maureen (Mo)
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:10 PM
To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET
Subject: [Tigers] Paint codes??


List,

 

A friend of mine just bought two MKll Tigers out in CA. (some of you might
know who he got them from??).  Anyway he's having one of them restored and
changing the color (yellow) back to original "Orchid Green" #109.  Does
anyone know this color and what if any, cross color, manufacture, or recipe
of this color that can be copied?? 

 

Thanks

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187
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From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 21 12:40:23 2011
From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:40:23 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 90
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1298314803.16696.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Hi:

The only thing I would change from this is what I did with my dash cover. I
did NOT punch the dash top cover for the tonneau cover lift-a-dot pins. These
holes tend to start cracks early on in the life of the dash cover. Instead I
replaced the inner screws that hold the defroster grills in place with
lift-a-dot pins and extended the tabs on the tonneau cover so that they
reached the new pin positions. Not original but it has worked without cracks
for 20 years. For concours you will have to go with what the factory did.

Godspeed Fast & Far
Jc


> 2. With a small drill, drill through the tonnoue pin holes such that you
can
> push a small pin or nail up through the bottom.
>
> 6. Poke the pins up from the bottom to locate the holes, reinstall the
> tonnue pins, the defroster slot grills, etc.

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Tue Feb 22 11:52:45 2011
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:52:45 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Paint codes
Message-ID: <96BA9A7A00CD46BCB03093D75D240B6E@jerry>

Thanks to all who responded to my paint code I was inquiring about, great
response!!

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 22 21:15:20 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:15:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Michael Eisemberg
Message-ID: <950002.59500.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I received an email today that member and Tiger owner Michael Eisenberg had open heart surgery this afternoon. A triple bypass. I hope all went well and Micheal is back to being painfree soon.
TonytheTiger

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Wed Feb 23 05:55:49 2011
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:55:49 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Duel pattern scattershields on the bay
In-Reply-To: <96BA9A7A00CD46BCB03093D75D240B6E@jerry>
References: <96BA9A7A00CD46BCB03093D75D240B6E@jerry>
Message-ID: <000001cbd358$ff05e3f0$fd11abd0$@rr.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ANSEN-NHRA-approved-scattershield-small-block
-ford-/250777337912?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a637e80
38#ht_500wt_1182

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/63-COBRA-scattershield-NHRA-approved-small-bl
ock-FORD-/250777334260?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a637
e71f4#ht_500wt_1182

Same seller.....seem to be very cheap.

Duke
B382002037

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 13:53:26 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:53:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] another mistake
Message-ID: <704203.36327.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It seems the email I received was a bit confusing. Since it didnt list a name but the header had Micheels name on it. Curt Bowland was the heart patient and I have just learned it was more than a triple bypass. His family is with him now.
SO, a quick recovery to Curt.
Tony

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 17:36:56 2011
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:36:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
Message-ID: <AANLkTikFN5Wfi-noo5HoL0WkwZjWSKjY=Kx+CCS79mz1@mail.gmail.com>

All,
 I'm thinking ahead a bit, but has anyone ever used the 5 speed MR02
transmission Mazda made for the Ford 88 to 96 small block in a Tiger?   1st
gear is a bit low at 3.75, but that might be OK with the stock rear end,
5th is .75

Al
B9471635

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 18:40:08 2011
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:40:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <317223.44046.qm@web161414.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTikFN5Wfi-noo5HoL0WkwZjWSKjY=Kx+CCS79mz1@mail.gmail.com>
	<317223.44046.qm@web161414.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBRNkNti19oN_U=ykmboag+jDoNLqmzQb7WmRm@mail.gmail.com>

I may be interested in your transmission.  I am curious about the Mazda MR02
because looks like the shifter position is different. I haven't found any
dimensional information yet, just wondering if anyone has stuffed one of
these in their Tiger.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:30 PM, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>wrote:

>   I didnt use that one, but I did take a Mustang 5.0 five speed and
> swapped tail housings and shifter plate off a chevy S10 to bring the shifter
> forward and out of the x frame...It is in the car and he shifter is slitly
> forward and center of the orifg hole  (could be tilted with an adapter
> spacer to bell housing to bring it out orig shifter hole....I even have a
> fake T handle orig looking shifter arm...I also made a second tranny like
> this to put on shelf as a spare....I would sell it if interested (seeing as
> i am laid off)   Ialso have a posi rar end with low gera and left and right
> anti sway bars from a rotary maxda track car...It will bolt right ina
> sunbeam...leaf springs and all...
> Mike in Florida
> --- On *Wed, 2/23/11, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 7:36 PM
>
>   All,
> I'm thinking ahead a bit, but has anyone ever used the 5 speed MR02
> transmission Mazda made for the Ford 88 to 96 small block in a Tiger?   1st
> gear is a bit low at 3.75, but that might be OK with the stock rear end,
> 5th is .75
>
> Al
> B9471635
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From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 19:14:43 2011
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:14:43 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <4D65BA59.4010305@comcast.net>
References: <AANLkTikFN5Wfi-noo5HoL0WkwZjWSKjY=Kx+CCS79mz1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D65BA59.4010305@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=j_b9PkLmsCfqdJvviG-jyFdZ3=R136Z3U6oMc@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

Absolutely nothing!  I am just curious about other options.  I have been
researching the M5R2 while waiting out the snow storm and there seems to be
a mixture of opinions about whether teh M5 is strong enough.  Of course most
of these guys were talking about trucks (F150) and not a lightweight sports
car.

Al

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Tom Hall <modtiger at comcast.net> wrote:

>  On 2/23/2011 4:36 PM, Al Fudge wrote:
>
>> All,
>>  I'm thinking ahead a bit, but has anyone ever used the 5 speed MR02
>> transmission Mazda made for the Ford 88 to 96 small block in a Tiger?
>> 1st
>> gear is a bit low at 3.75, but that might be OK with the stock rear end,
>> 5th is .75
>>
>> Al
>>
> And what's wrong with the 5 speed I developed that fits without significant
> modification and already has the appropriate gear ratios?
>
> --
> Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering LLC
> www.tigerengineering.net

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Wed Feb 23 19:19:00 2011
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:19:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikFN5Wfi-noo5HoL0WkwZjWSKjY=Kx+CCS79mz1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikFN5Wfi-noo5HoL0WkwZjWSKjY=Kx+CCS79mz1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D65C014.2040607@socal.rr.com>

While I am no expert on the Mazda, I do have a great GEAR RATIO 
Transmission application that runs on Excel.  AND you don't even have to 
buy Excel.  A ink to a free Excel Reader is included.

This calculator was provided by Bob Hokanson for Tiger users, and 
resides on TigersUnited.com (hot link below).  It allows calculation of 
speed vs rpm for any ratios that interest you in the transmission, rear 
end, tire/size, rpm, etc.  Can even be "shifted" and speed red with rpm 
selected in every gear ratio.

Thanks to Bob, we all have a wonderful tool to use, with built in 
selections for most applications.  Including imaginary ones you would 
like to see.

Look at it, and try it out.  Let the List know if you find it applicable 
and useful.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp

BTW: I swapped the original tranny for a Mk II version and ratios, and 
find it very satisfactory.  Just ignore what you've heard about "wide 
ratio" and "close ratio" and go by the results that now can be easily 
calculated and changed.

Good luck,

Steve
B94722289
TAC # 289


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/23/11 4:36 PM, Al Fudge wrote:
> All,
>   I'm thinking ahead a bit, but has anyone ever used the 5 speed MR02
> transmission Mazda made for the Ford 88 to 96 small block in a Tiger?   1st
> gear is a bit low at 3.75, but that might be OK with the stock rear end,
> 5th is .75
>
> Al
> B947163

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 19:24:06 2011
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (allfudge1635 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 02:24:06 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <249776.33738.qm@web161420.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimBRNkNti19oN_U=ykmboag+jDoNLqmzQb7WmRm@mail.gmail.com><249776.33738.qm@web161420.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.60.1298514246.23293.tigers@autox.team.net>

Mike,
Thanks. I don't think I need to worry a whole lot about how much modification I might have to do. I am going to have to replace the floor pans, sills and most of the trans tunnel anyway.  Just have to get it to the alkali bath to strip it of paint and rust. I'm expecting to get a cheese grater back from the dipping process.

Sent on the Sprint. Now Network from my BlackBerry.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:19:17 
To: Al Fudge<allfudge1635 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission

I will take a picture on mine anssend it to you...also  one of the one I put in my car...I cut the center of my tranny tunnel out (it's an Alger)  but you dont have to do that....You can use a adapter/spacer to your orig bell housing  and redrill it to tilt the tranny at an angle and get it to come out orig tiger hole...I havent put mine on the road yet, but did help drive one to the last suni with same tranny in it  (Tony Lang's car)  it was great on a trip...will take a picture in a day or so...(if I get home before dark) otherwise this weekend as I need daylight for a decent picture...Mike

--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
To: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 8:40 PM


I may be interested in your transmission.  I am curious about the Mazda MR02 because looks like the shifter position is different. I haven't found any dimensional information yet, just wondering if anyone has stuffed one of these in their Tiger.


On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:30 PM, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:





I didnt use that one, but I did take a Mustang 5.0 five speed and swapped tail housings and shifter plate off a chevy S10 to bring the shifter forward and out of the x frame...It is in the car and he shifter is slitly forward and center of the orifg hole  (could be tilted with an adapter spacer to bell housing to bring it out orig shifter hole....I even have a fake T handle orig looking shifter arm...I also made a second tranny like this to put on shelf as a spare....I would sell it if interested (seeing as i am laid off)   Ialso have a posi rar end with low gera and left and right anti sway bars from a rotary maxda track car...It will bolt right ina sunbeam...leaf springs and all...
Mike in Florida
--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 7:36 PM





All,
I'm thinking ahead a bit, but has anyone ever used the 5 speed MR02
transmission Mazda made for the Ford 88 to 96 small block in a Tiger?   1st
gear is a bit low at 3.75, but that might be OK with the stock rear end,
5th is .75

Al
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 22:29:01 2011
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:29:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <20110224025001.7708C187869@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <330438.66772.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not to correct Mike but the 5 speed in my Tiger was a Dale A. transformed from the AMC Concord or Spirt tail shaft. He bought a new 5 speed and changed 5th gear to keep it in the cam but Im sure the tranny was the same as used in the Mustang and Im not so sure about a Mazda. I do need to talk to Dale as he was so busy at Suni I didnt get a chance to converse with him as I need the right inner gear for the speedo- mine was the wrong color and makes the speedo turn backwards. Tom Hall sent me a link for a part that changes rotation but for what I paid for the tranny Im sure Dale will make whatever repair he deems best.
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From gabbardalex at att.net  Thu Feb 24 06:23:12 2011
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 05:23:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] 13-inch ET wheels
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Hello All,
looking for mid-60s style ET 13-inch, 4x108, 5-slot alloy wheels to fit 
Sunbeams.

From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 07:26:53 2011
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:26:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] 5 speed transmission
Message-ID: <26e5e.6446423f.3a97c4ad@aol.com>

_allfudge1635 at gmail.com_ (mailto:allfudge1635 at gmail.com)   writes:
 
I did take a Mustang 5.0 five speed and swapped tail housings and  shifter 
plate off a chevy S10 to bring the shifter forward and out of the x  frame..
 
Mike,
How did you handle the speedometer drive mis match with the S-10 housing  
and the Mustang output shaft?
 
John Logan 

From jim at island.net  Thu Feb 24 07:50:21 2011
From: jim at island.net (jim)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:50:21 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 5 speed transmission
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Message-ID: <021101cbd432$29de7810$7d9b6830$@net>

The S10 tail housing to T5 is a fairly common swap as many hotrodders with
older bench seat cars need that forward shifter location. The speedo drive
gear has to be relocated on the output shaft to line up with the S10 driven
gear. There are several articles on the 'net about it. In a Tiger, the end
of the speedo cable has to be changed to a GM style 7/8" nut setup. I used
the AMC tail housing which is a little trickier as the T5 speedo drive gear
won't mesh with the Chrysler style driven gear that the AMC uses. I had to
use a 700R4 drive gear and epoxy a shim on the output shaft to take up the
difference in the diameter. The S10 gear also needs a shim to work. I can
dig up some info for anyone that wants it...

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:27 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] 5 speed transmission

_allfudge1635 at gmail.com_ (mailto:allfudge1635 at gmail.com)   writes:
 
I did take a Mustang 5.0 five speed and swapped tail housings and  shifter 
plate off a chevy S10 to bring the shifter forward and out of the x  frame..
 
Mike,
How did you handle the speedometer drive mis match with the S-10 housing  
and the Mustang output shaft?
 
John Logan 
_______________________________________________

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu Feb 24 08:16:15 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:16:15 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 5 speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <26e5e.6446423f.3a97c4ad@aol.com>
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When I put the T-5 (Ford case/ S10 tail housing) into a Tiger, I used an 
electronic speedometer I happened to own. I used the electronic sensor setup 
that came on 1990 & later S10s. (Reluctor, sensor and pigtail). All were 
available after-market from Standard Products.

The Chevy reluctor is larger than the Ford shaft so I made a shim for the 
shaft and pressed the reluctor into place. If I were to do it again, I'd 
make the shim thinner and secure it with hi-temp JB Weld or something 
similar.

Buck Trippel


--------------------------------------------------
From: <Carmods at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:26 AM
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] 5 speed transmission

> _allfudge1635 at gmail.com_ (mailto:allfudge1635 at gmail.com)   writes:
>
> I did take a Mustang 5.0 five speed and swapped tail housings and  shifter
> plate off a chevy S10 to bring the shifter forward and out of the x 
> frame..
>
> Mike,
> How did you handle the speedometer drive mis match with the S-10 housing
> and the Mustang output shaft?
>
> John Logan

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Feb 24 08:47:35 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:47:35 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 5 speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <021101cbd432$29de7810$7d9b6830$@net>
References: <26e5e.6446423f.3a97c4ad@aol.com>
	<021101cbd432$29de7810$7d9b6830$@net>
Message-ID: <4D667D97.8000005@mayfco.com>

JIm, please publish a write up to the list?

mayf

On 2/24/2011 6:50 AM, jim wrote:
> The S10 tail housing to T5 is a fairly common swap as many hotrodders with
> older bench seat cars need that forward shifter location. The speedo drive
> gear has to be relocated on the output shaft to line up with the S10 driven
> gear. There are several articles on the 'net about it. In a Tiger, the end
> of the speedo cable has to be changed to a GM style 7/8" nut setup. I used
> the AMC tail housing which is a little trickier as the T5 speedo drive gear
> won't mesh with the Chrysler style driven gear that the AMC uses. I had to
> use a 700R4 drive gear and epoxy a shim on the output shaft to take up the
> difference in the diameter. The S10 gear also needs a shim to work. I can
> dig up some info for anyone that wants it...
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:27 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] 5 speed transmission
>
> _allfudge1635 at gmail.com_ (mailto:allfudge1635 at gmail.com)   writes:
>
> I did take a Mustang 5.0 five speed and swapped tail housings and  shifter
> plate off a chevy S10 to bring the shifter forward and out of the x  frame..
>
> Mike,
> How did you handle the speedometer drive mis match with the S-10 housing
> and the Mustang output shaft?
>
> John Logan
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Feb 24 14:15:36 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:15:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
References: <330438.66772.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <90C08394B04E40CBB49AE92A6888D6C5@student2>

Al,

The ratios in that Mazda transmission are: 3.75, 2.32, 1.43, 1.00, 0.75 . 
The 2.32 2nd gear in that transmission is 1st gear in a close ratio 
Toploader.  Most seem to find the 2.78 1st gear of the wide ratio to be very 
good.  I believe (but might need correction) that the ratios Tom Hall uses 
have the 2.95 1st gear (rather close). So, the 3.75 Mazda 1st gear is W-A-Y 
out there.  The .75 5th will probably drop you 600-700 RPM on the highway. 
This could put your engine out of its torque range depending upon the build.

 I've also heard the Mazda/Ford transmission isn't very reliable (this 
according to the rednecks up the street).  My inclination would be to 
consider a different transmission based on ratio spread, and reliability.

Tom (Witt) 

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 24 15:50:08 2011
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:50:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports March 2011
Message-ID: <B9EC58F2A6EE49C4834B7EE31AC202BC@jeffnicholsPC>

There is a good article about Tiger suspensions in the March issue.  There
are  photos of how and where to reinforce the X-member and A-arms.  The
article has a good write up on front and rear spring rates.
 
 
 
Jeff

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Feb 24 17:58:41 2011
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:58:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <90C08394B04E40CBB49AE92A6888D6C5@student2>
Message-ID: <866430489.1492952.1298595521283.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Uh, am I the only one that doesn't have clue which Mazda transmission
you guys are talking about?
What car does it come from?  Its a T-5 I assume...
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:15:36 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission

Al,

The ratios in that Mazda transmission are: 3.75, 2.32, 1.43, 1.00, 0.75 . 
The 2.32 2nd gear in that transmission is 1st gear in a close ratio 
Toploader.  Most seem to find the 2.78 1st gear of the wide ratio to be very 
good.  I believe (but might need correction) that the ratios Tom Hall uses 
have the 2.95 1st gear (rather close). So, the 3.75 Mazda 1st gear is W-A-Y 
out there.  The .75 5th will probably drop you 600-700 RPM on the highway. 
This could put your engine out of its torque range depending upon the build.

 I've also heard the Mazda/Ford transmission isn't very reliable (this 
according to the rednecks up the street).  My inclination would be to 
consider a different transmission based on ratio spread, and reliability.

Tom (Witt) 
_

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 18:55:00 2011
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (allfudge1635 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:55:00 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <866430489.1492952.1298595521283.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <90C08394B04E40CBB49AE92A6888D6C5@student2><866430489.1492952.1298595521283.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Gary,
This is the Mazda transmission made for the Ford 302, used in the F150, Bronco and others starting in 1988. Thomas Witt really answered my question; first gear is way too low (3.75) to be of any use.
Al
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Winblad <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:58:41 
To: Thomas Witt<atwittsend at verizon.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission

Uh, am I the only one that doesn't have clue which Mazda transmission
you guys are talking about?
What car does it come from?  Its a T-5 I assume...
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:15:36 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission

Al,

The ratios in that Mazda transmission are: 3.75, 2.32, 1.43, 1.00, 0.75 . 
The 2.32 2nd gear in that transmission is 1st gear in a close ratio 
Toploader.  Most seem to find the 2.78 1st gear of the wide ratio to be very 
good.  I believe (but might need correction) that the ratios Tom Hall uses 
have the 2.95 1st gear (rather close). So, the 3.75 Mazda 1st gear is W-A-Y 
out there.  The .75 5th will probably drop you 600-700 RPM on the highway. 
This could put your engine out of its torque range depending upon the build.

 I've also heard the Mazda/Ford transmission isn't very reliable (this 
according to the rednecks up the street).  My inclination would be to 
consider a different transmission based on ratio spread, and reliability.

Tom (Witt) 
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 19:59:57 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:59:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
Message-ID: <602373.74672.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Al,
 
That makes perfect sense in a truck where you need a granny gear first for
stump pulling or hauling heavy loads.
 
I've heard that some Tiger owners with 5 speeds have 3.07 or 3.31 rearend
gears, since their overdrive is actually too low. Consequently they don't even
use first gear and just start out in second, which means they are back to a 4
speed.
 
In my opinion 5 speeds were created for engines that have a either limited
torque range, like most 4 and 6 cylinder engines, or to optimize fuel economy
to meet government requirements.
 
Gary

From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 20:22:57 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:22:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
Message-ID: <c1323.3b5c719a.3a987a91@aol.com>

I was looking at gas prices today and that "fuel economy" idea is looking  
pretty good:-)
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 2/24/2011 10:20:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
maliburevue at yahoo.com writes:

Al,

That makes perfect sense in a truck where you need a  granny gear first for
stump pulling or hauling heavy loads.

I've  heard that some Tiger owners with 5 speeds have 3.07 or 3.31 rearend
gears,  since their overdrive is actually too low. Consequently they don't 
even
use  first gear and just start out in second, which means they are back to 
a  4
speed.

In my opinion 5 speeds were created for engines that have a  either limited
torque range, like most 4 and 6 cylinder engines, or to  optimize fuel 
economy
to meet government  requirements.

Gary
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Feb 24 20:36:07 2011
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:36:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <602373.74672.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <602373.74672.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E2DAA6A4@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I have a 3.31 differential and a T5 with the OEM Mustang gears (3.35 first,
1.99 second gears) and I typically use second-gear starts only for autocross
where I'm trying to limit wheelspin and don't want to shift two seconds after
getting out of the box. Granted, first is really short and I'd rather have the
Z gearing (2.95 first, 1.94 second) but as it is it's perfectly usable as a
five-speed. Fifth at 0.68 is absolutely great for highway - with a toploader
you'd need 2.3 differential gears to get the same highway RPM. Optimized fuel
economy is good for my wallet, too.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary
> Sent: February 24, 2011 8:00 PM
> To: allfudge1635 at gmail.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
>
> Al,
>
> That makes perfect sense in a truck where you need a granny gear first
> for
> stump pulling or hauling heavy loads.
>
> I've heard that some Tiger owners with 5 speeds have 3.07 or 3.31
> rearend
> gears, since their overdrive is actually too low. Consequently they
> don't even
> use first gear and just start out in second, which means they are back
> to a 4
> speed.
>
> In my opinion 5 speeds were created for engines that have a either
> limited
> torque range, like most 4 and 6 cylinder engines, or to optimize fuel
> economy
> to meet government requirements.
>
> Gary
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 22:12:06 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:12:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
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Mark,
 
That's why I am looking at installing 2.72 rearend gears with my wide ratio
toploader that has the 2.90 first gear from David Kee Toploaders. Compared to
the 2.88 rearend, this would be equivalent to a .94 overdrive in fourth gear
and first gear would still be 2.74.
 
The tranny conversion cost me about $275 and the rearend gears were $75.
 
Gary

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:


From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
To: maliburevue at yahoo.com, allfudge1635 at gmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 7:22 PM



I was looking at gas prices today and that "fuel economy" idea is looking
pretty good:-)
Mark

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 04:47:43 2011
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:47:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <602373.74672.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <329771.34116.qm@web161211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     I'm sure that is why Mercedes Benz puts an 8 speed tranny in their luxo
barges with 450 HP engines..and BMW as well..Those slacker 4 or 500 HP engines
need all the help they can get just to craw down the road.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
To: allfudge1635 at gmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 9:59 PM

Al,

That makes perfect sense in a truck where you need a granny gear first for
stump pulling or hauling heavy loads.

I've heard that some Tiger owners with 5 speeds have 3.07 or 3.31 rearend
gears, since their overdrive is actually too low. Consequently they don't
even
use first gear and just start out in second, which means they are back to a 4
speed.

In my opinion 5 speeds were created for engines that have a either limited
torque range, like most 4 and 6 cylinder engines, or to optimize fuel economy
to meet government requirements.

Gary
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Feb 25 07:11:11 2011
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 06:11:11 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
Message-ID: <0564438843114777BE29E0D30F2DAFCE@BUCK>

CAT is about to scan all 40 years of back issues of our newsletter, Tigers
Tales. Hopefully we will end up with something that can be easily searched.

Any suggestions about what to do and how to do it would be appreciated.
(Format? Resolution? OCR? Software? Hardware?)

thanks in advance,

Buck Trippel

From chris at cthompson.net  Fri Feb 25 08:14:56 2011
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:14:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
In-Reply-To: <0564438843114777BE29E0D30F2DAFCE@BUCK>
References: <0564438843114777BE29E0D30F2DAFCE@BUCK>
Message-ID: <4D67C770.8030407@cthompson.net>

For the parts manual that is up on TigersUnited.com, I scanned 
everything at 300 dpi on a VERY high-end Banctec scanner that was 
available to me at the time.  I then used PaperPort from Nuance to 
convert all of the images to searchable PDF's.  So you can search on the 
text, and it brings up the images.

The software is expensive, but I "tithe" to Nuance to keep current with 
the software.  If you scan the pages, I would be happy to convert them 
all to searchable PDF's for you.

Best Regards,
Chris
B382000331

On 2/25/2011 9:11 AM, Buck Trippel wrote:
> CAT is about to scan all 40 years of back issues of our newsletter, Tigers
> Tales. Hopefully we will end up with something that can be easily searched.
>
> Any suggestions about what to do and how to do it would be appreciated.
> (Format? Resolution? OCR? Software? Hardware?)
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Buck Trippel
> _

From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Feb 25 10:24:49 2011
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:24:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
In-Reply-To: <0564438843114777BE29E0D30F2DAFCE@BUCK>
References: <0564438843114777BE29E0D30F2DAFCE@BUCK>
Message-ID: <819017.95891.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Text Searchable and PDF Would be very nice. No clue on the software that would 
help with that.

Sandy




________________________________
From: Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 6:11:11 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger

CAT is about to scan all 40 years of back issues of our newsletter, Tigers
Tales. Hopefully we will end up with something that can be easily searched.

Any suggestions about what to do and how to do it would be appreciated.
(Format? Resolution? OCR? Software? Hardware?)

thanks in advance,

Buck Trippel
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Feb 25 10:33:53 2011
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:33:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission (other Toploaders
 available)
References: <554344.54635.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <13CEE92B09F84F8880457581AEDA657F@student2>

Below is a list of Toploader ratios that "might" be applicable to certain 
Tiger configurations. Some are unaware that there are more than the wide and 
close ratio boxes available.The common Toploader ratios familiar to Tiger 
owners:Wide Ratio:  2.78 1st, 1.93 2nd, 1.36 3rd, 1.00 4th, and 2.78 Rev.
Close Ratio: 2.32 1st, 1.69 2nd, 1.29 3rd, 1.00 4th, and 2.32 Rev.The 
overdrive ratios (Due to the 2nd/3rd ratio spread these transmissions seem 
to be missing (in theory) 3rd gear.): (Ford Cars)Ratio #1: 3.29 1st, 1.84 
2nd, 1.00 3rd, 0.81 4th, and 3.29 Rev.
Ratio #2: 3.07 1st, 1.72 2nd, 1.00 3rd, 0.70 4th, and 3.07 Rev. The 3.29 
came in Granada's and had a standard shift mechanism (reversed 3rd/4th). It 
also came in the SROD version (typically Mustang/Capri). I believe the 3.07 
was strictly SROD. (Ford Trucks)Ratio #1: 3.01 1st, 1.78 2nd, 1.00 3rd, 0.79 
4th and 3.01 Rev.
Ratio #2: 3.25 1st, 1.92 2nd, 1.00 3rd, 0.78 4th and 3.25 Rev.These can have 
unconventional shift mounts due to application.Jeep  (1980-86 primarily the 
"pick up truck Jeep): Jeep Ratio #1:  3.52 1st, 2.27 2nd, 1.46 3rd, 1.00 4th 
and 3.52 Rev.
Jeep Ratio #2:  3.82 1st, 2.29 2nd, 1.46 3rd, 1.00 4th and 3.82 Rev.
Jeep Ratio #3:  3.01 1st, 2.08 2nd, 1.47 3rd, 1.00 4th and 3.01 Rev.I have 
been searching for the Jeep #3 (T-178 by name) tranny at Pick A Part for 
years (never found one).  It is sort of a "wide-er" ratio trans with 
appropriate gear spacing.  Taller tires with this ratio would effectively 
get one close to the wide ratio 1st gear (2.78) and also effectively be 
equivalent to an overdrive in 4th gear.Anyway, I thought I would throw this 
out there.  Some gears can be exchange between boxes and others not. 
Transmission length and shifter location are all issues. Rating capacity 
would be another consideration.  You can read more about it at 
:http://www.5speeds.com/toploader.htmlTom
> Mark,
>
> That's why I am looking at installing 2.72 rearend gears with my wide 
> ratio
> toploader that has the 2.90 first gear from David Kee Toploaders. Compared 
> to
> the 2.88 rearend, this would be equivalent to a .94 overdrive in fourth 
> gear
> and first gear would still be 2.74.
>
> The tranny conversion cost me about $275 and the rearend gears were $75.
>
> Gary

From daniel.doornbos at intel.com  Fri Feb 25 10:40:28 2011
From: daniel.doornbos at intel.com (Doornbos, Daniel)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:40:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Add on Transmission T5 question
Message-ID: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B6134108601@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

Another Add on Question for the T-5 conversion group.

I frequently here fussing/concern about the stock location of the T-5 shifter
not working.  Is it an issue with the T-5 shifter from a stock mustang being
too far back?  Or is the issue a question of shifter hole for the top loader
on the left side of the case and the hole in the floor is also set to the
left?  And then with the  T-5 shifter in the center of the case the hole needs
to be further to the right/passenger side of the care?

I ask because if it is a fore/aft there are many hot rod transmission business
that offer conversions service to move the shifter from the rear of the case
to a Mid or Forward case mount.  Has anyone used an alternative case mount or
think it would provide an ergonomic/comfort benefit?

Thanks
dan

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 11:00:14 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:00:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
In-Reply-To: <329771.34116.qm@web161211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <217274.53092.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Very true. In a 4000 lb luxo barge with a gas hogging 400-500 HP engine
they definitely need all the advantage they can get when certifying their gas
mileage, i.e. keeping the rpm range at the fuel efficiency sweet spot while
accelerating is critical.
 

--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
To: allfudge1635 at gmail.com, "Gary" <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 3:47 AM






Hi,
     I'm sure that is why Mercedes Benz puts an 8 speed tranny in their luxo
barges with 450 HP engines..and BMW as well..Those slacker 4 or 500 HP engines
need all the help they can get just to craw down the road.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
To: allfudge1635 at gmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 9:59 PM


Al,

That makes perfect sense in a truck where you need a granny gear first for
stump pulling or hauling heavy loads.

I've heard that some Tiger owners with 5 speeds have 3.07 or 3.31 rearend
gears, since their overdrive is actually too low. Consequently they don't
even
use first gear and just start out in second, which means they are back to a 4
speed.

In my opinion 5 speeds were created for engines that have a either limited
torque range, like most 4 and 6 cylinder engines, or to optimize fuel economy
to meet government requirements.

Gary
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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Fri Feb 25 13:20:09 2011
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:20:09 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
In-Reply-To: <819017.95891.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <0564438843114777BE29E0D30F2DAFCE@BUCK>
	<819017.95891.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009c01cbd529$67057f20$35107d60$@com>

The software that Chris is using is probably much nicer, but Adobe acrobat
professional ( not the free reader) has an OCR text recognition feature. You
can scan documents and it will "convert" scanned images of pages to text
format and you can keep that as an overlay of text in the pdf or export to a
word file, etc. comes in very handy. I use it to scan study material for my
continuing education. Then I use a simple Text-to-speech program to have it
read the books to me while I work in the work in the shop over my
radio....that way I can study and wrench at the same time!!!

Cullen


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:25 AM
To: Buck Trippel; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non-Tiger

Text Searchable and PDF Would be very nice. No clue on the software that
would 
help with that.

Sandy




________________________________
From: Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 6:11:11 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger

CAT is about to scan all 40 years of back issues of our newsletter, Tigers
Tales. Hopefully we will end up with something that can be easily searched.

Any suggestions about what to do and how to do it would be appreciated.
(Format? Resolution? OCR? Software? Hardware?)

thanks in advance,

Buck Trippel
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From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 25 13:51:27 2011
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:51:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
In-Reply-To: <009c01cbd529$67057f20$35107d60$@com>
References: <0564438843114777BE29E0D30F2DAFCE@BUCK>
	<819017.95891.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<009c01cbd529$67057f20$35107d60$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHuL4n4zVsy3cFHG0urHUia+VyXBpi4S2RTwet@mail.gmail.com>

Buck

Are you interested in putting out a shop notes type book or putting it on
the club website ?
If its the website take a look at my Mozart website library. This particular
software does
not support PDF so combining of text and photos would be a lot of extra work
but this genre of
software is called "knowledge base" Do a search for knowledge base pdf and I
imaging you'll
find a few choices. The mozart library does a nice job of categorizing and
searching lots of material.

http://www.mozartforum.com/Lore/index.php

From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Fri Feb 25 18:20:18 2011
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:20:18 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96
References: <mailman.19.1298660402.12404.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <234DAF4DBE5F4ED4891D4E9C60AFA3F0@computer>

Chris,

That's HUGE !!  Thanks !  

Darrell


> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:14:56 -0500
> From: Chris Thompson <chris at cthompson.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non-Tiger
> To: Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <4D67C770.8030407 at cthompson.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> For the parts manual that is up on TigersUnited.com, I scanned 
> everything at 300 dpi on a VERY high-end Banctec scanner that was 
> available to me at the time.  I then used PaperPort from Nuance to 
> convert all of the images to searchable PDF's.  So you can search on the 
> text, and it brings up the images.
> 
> The software is expensive, but I "tithe" to Nuance to keep current with 
> the software.  If you scan the pages, I would be happy to convert them 
> all to searchable PDF's for you.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Chris
> B382000331

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Feb 26 09:13:20 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 08:13:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ford AOD into Tiger?
Message-ID: <4D6926A0.9050809@mayfco.com>

I would like to hear from any and all who have installed an AOD into 
their Tiger. Not a C4, not a C6, not a power glide, not a T- 5 etc. Just 
AOD. I would like a synopsis of what's required. In depth detail is not 
needed, I just want to see what's involved. Photos of 'in progress' 
would be good.

Email me off list.

mayf

From twotigers at verizon.net  Sun Feb 27 01:18:28 2011
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:18:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in ad
Message-ID: <000001cbd656$ea491260$bedb3720$@net>

Saw this a couple of days ago:

 

http://vonscu.com/

From brockctella at juno.com  Sun Feb 27 10:47:03 2011
From: brockctella at juno.com (brockctella at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 09:47:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust pipe and clearance
Message-ID: <20110227.094748.954.400804@mailpop03.vgs.untd.com>

Put in new engine mounts due to sagging of old ones that allowed right
header to contact frame. Now this exhaust contacts the X frame where it
goes through the oval cutout. Any ideas on adjusting this? Thanks
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From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Feb 27 11:48:04 2011
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust pipe and clearance
In-Reply-To: <20110227.094748.954.400804@mailpop03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110227.094748.954.400804@mailpop03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <09C166D67D134213BB0E64E1B9EA0395@DavePC>

There is some play in the engine mount where it bolts through the inner 
fender. Try loosening these bolts and see if you can move the engine enough 
to get the required clearance. I had this problem and it worked for me.

Dave

From: <brockctella at juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust pipe and clearance


 Put in new engine mounts due to sagging of old ones that allowed right
header to contact frame. Now this exhaust contacts the X frame where it
goes through the oval cutout. Any ideas on adjusting this? Thanks

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 27 15:02:48 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:02:48 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in ad
In-Reply-To: <000001cbd656$ea491260$bedb3720$@net>
References: <000001cbd656$ea491260$bedb3720$@net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEnGupv1Y2gHUAQE22QFvf1+is2=3d=+9f9ucf@mail.gmail.com>

Funny enough, that alpine was exported to australia late last year, the cars
arrived in victoria late last week.. small sunbeam world

On 27 February 2011 19:18, Kirk Smith <twotigers at verizon.net> wrote:

> Saw this a couple of days ago:
>
>
>
> http://vonscu.com/
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 27 15:03:10 2011
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust pipe and clearance
In-Reply-To: <09C166D67D134213BB0E64E1B9EA0395@DavePC>
Message-ID: <E2E3F64E85F84B0A84820B9487B227E9@ronpc1>

	Not certain if you have Headers or a stock system by your note.

Stock system - loosen the 2 bolts for the down pipe at the exhaust manifold
to get some adjustment.

Header system - you might be able to get some adjustment at the collector
flange otherwise you may need to flatten the pipe a little where it contacts
the frame.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Munroe
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:48 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; brockctella at juno.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust pipe and clearance


There is some play in the engine mount where it bolts through the inner
fender. Try loosening these bolts and see if you can move the engine enough
to get the required clearance. I had this problem and it worked for me.

Dave

From: <brockctella at juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust pipe and clearance


 Put in new engine mounts due to sagging of old ones that allowed right
header to contact frame. Now this exhaust contacts the X frame where it goes
through the oval cutout. Any ideas on adjusting this? Thanks
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Feb 27 16:54:03 2011
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:54:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust pipe and clearance
Message-ID: <761ab.3221d5b5.3a9c3e1b@aol.com>

The way I've done it is loosen all the clamps and wedge pieces wood around  
the pipe where it passes through X trying to get even spacing on all side 
of the  pipe. Now tighten exhaust clamps and pipes should keep that even 
spacing.
mark
 
 
In a message dated 2/27/2011 12:49:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
brockctella at juno.com writes:

Put in  new engine mounts due to sagging of old ones that allowed right
header to  contact frame. Now this exhaust contacts the X frame where it
goes through  the oval cutout. Any ideas on adjusting this?  Thanks
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 27 17:13:55 2011
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:13:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Ad...
Message-ID: <362613.26475.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

...Looks like an Alpine to me (note single exhaust& muffler on driver's
side).  But... very nice to see a Rootes vehicle in current advertising!

Regards,

Bill

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Sun Feb 27 17:24:03 2011
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:24:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Ad...
In-Reply-To: <362613.26475.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <362613.26475.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554477547162@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

This photo has been making the rounds a lot this last year.  It was on the
cover of Working World (distributed in greater Los Angeles area)a few months
ago, in an ad in Car & Driver or Road & Track, and a third application that I
do not recall.


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Waite
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:14 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger in Ad...

...Looks like an Alpine to me (note single exhaust& muffler on driver's
side).  But... very nice to see a Rootes vehicle in current advertising!

Regards,

Bill

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 27 18:01:48 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:01:48 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Ad...
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554477547162@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
References: <362613.26475.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554477547162@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=3Y3Xj7CWvRHGRvnbCYYdfnC+GqALL_GUrjOD-@mail.gmail.com>

It is a SV Alpine.. and is now in australia as of last week.

On 28 February 2011 11:24, Teepen, Jere <jteepen at usatoday.com> wrote:

> This photo has been making the rounds a lot this last year.  It was on the
> cover of Working World (distributed in greater Los Angeles area)a few
> months
> ago, in an ad in Car & Driver or Road & Track, and a third application that
> I
> do not recall.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Bill Waite
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:14 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger in Ad...
>
> ...Looks like an Alpine to me (note single exhaust& muffler on driver's
> side).  But... very nice to see a Rootes vehicle in current advertising!
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Sun Feb 27 21:38:34 2011
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:38:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Ad...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=3Y3Xj7CWvRHGRvnbCYYdfnC+GqALL_GUrjOD-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <362613.26475.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554477547162@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<AANLkTi=3Y3Xj7CWvRHGRvnbCYYdfnC+GqALL_GUrjOD-@mail.gmail.com>
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I detect a wood steering wheel on that Alpine...nice car.


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 5:02 PM
To: Teepen, Jere
Cc: Bill Waite; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger in Ad...

It is a SV Alpine.. and is now in australia as of last week.

On 28 February 2011 11:24, Teepen, Jere <jteepen at usatoday.com> wrote:

> This photo has been making the rounds a lot this last year.  It was on the
> cover of Working World (distributed in greater Los Angeles area)a few
> months
> ago, in an ad in Car & Driver or Road & Track, and a third application
that
> I
> do not recall.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Bill Waite
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:14 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger in Ad...
>
> ...Looks like an Alpine to me (note single exhaust& muffler on driver's
> side).  But... very nice to see a Rootes vehicle in current advertising!
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 28 12:25:36 2011
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:25:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
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Jerry,
 
You can buy the 2.72 gears new, but they are expensive.
 
http://www.superioraxlegear.com/dana-ring-pinion-gear-p-10705.html
 
I found one used set on ebay ($75) and the other on Craigslist ($50).
 
2.72 gears came in:
    77-79 Grand Wagoneers and Jeep Cherokees
    77-79 Ford F100/F150
    There are others that I don't know about
 
Gary

--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:


From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
To: "'Gary'" <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 10:30 AM


Gary, where did you get those 2.72 gears, I'm interested.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:12 PM
To: allfudge1635 at gmail.com; CoolVT at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission

Mark,

That's why I am looking at installing 2.72 rearend gears with my wide ratio
toploader that has the 2.90 first gear from David Kee Toploaders. Compared
to
the 2.88 rearend, this would be equivalent to a .94 overdrive in fourth gear
and first gear would still be 2.74.

The tranny conversion cost me about $275 and the rearend gears were $75.

Gary

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:


From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford / Mazda 5speed transmission
To: maliburevue at yahoo.com, allfudge1635 at gmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 7:22 PM



I was looking at gas prices today and that "fuel economy" idea is looking
pretty good:-)
Mark
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 22:28:05 2011
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:28:05 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at FARA Race in Homestead
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Does anyone know who this car belongs to?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/msalup/5487943930/in/set-72157626163911130/

apparently taken at 2011 02 19 FARA Race in Homestead .. has an astro top on
it

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