From rande at thecia.net  Wed Sep  1 05:20:31 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:20:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] HP and 'K' heads
Message-ID: <4c7e36ff.1f1e.0@thecia.net>

'That's pretty solid evidence, Tom.  Either that, or, Hewlett Packard got a
big head start on high performance drives!'

Kirk, you're right, and when Hewlett Packard advertises this as their most powerful
printer, believe it. What will discourage me from buying is the cost of a sump
full of toner.

I knew one of the Mustang magazines had shown the 'hp' casting as part of their
teardown article, so when another poster disputed this last night, I went to
work to find the photo, but Mr Witt, as usual, has come through again.

Tom, good job. Kirk, nobody likes a trouble maker.

LOL, RB

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep  1 06:52:17 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:52:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
In-Reply-To: <EB8E1FD3D68C4E89A420B2AE154EBE98@student2>
Message-ID: <56E8E90397C440EF92429B2EEA4FA19B@ronpc1>

Tom
	That is the C8ZE-B HiPo head.  The only head that Ford included the
HP in the casting.   It is also a smog control head with Air injector ports.
The picture needed to be wider to get the casting date and the part number
cast into the head.

As far as I know there are no real indicators of a HiPo engine.  Visually
there is the Thicker crank damper but that is only 1 part.   The HiPo engine
is a combination of specific Ford parts.   You need to be familiar with all
of them to know a true Ford Built HiPo engine.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:25 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads


I did a search of Google images under hipo 289 and found this image.  Would
this "HP" be the HiPo indictor?
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mackrafab.com/vmf/images/hp_head.
jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.xiongdudu.com/image/Ford_Engine_Specs/10&usg=__5V_4
J1Y_buloq02ghaXcLCq0OVY=&h=384&w=512&sz=30&hl=en&start=28&zoom=1&tbnid=hhObZ
s0acy-iQM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=170&prev=/images%3Fq%3D289%2Bhipo%2Bheads%26hl%3Den
%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:offici
al%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D710%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C646&itbs=1&iact=hc&v
px=1140&vpy=333&dur=971&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=195&ty=114&ei=eNR9TMXxNJKqsAPfw
43BCw&oei=jtN9TPWBJoW8sAP53Pz0Cg&esq=13&page=2&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:20,s:28&
biw=1440&bih=710

Tom

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Sep  1 07:35:49 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:35:49 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
Message-ID: <12d918.1315a2d0.39afb0b5@aol.com>

So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo"  designation was mostly a 
sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo  there doesn't seem to 
be much gain.
Mark

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Sep  1 07:38:10 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:38:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
In-Reply-To: <635207016-1283295329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-25834365-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <2141908709.579651.1283348290321.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Jim,
Those specs are just about what I try to get with my 205/60/13s.
Camber of zero might wear the tires better if you just drive slowly to
car shows, etc.
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: jliny5 <jliny5 at cox.net>
To: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>, CoolVT at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:55:54 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling

Good Evening (at least on the east coast)

Thought I would make another call regarding my post from yesterday regarding the affect a change in tire size might have on alignment. My new tires (205/60x13) get mounted Thursday.  Wear looks pretty even on the old tires (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the existing alignment specs.

Thx, Jim
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "James Lindner" 
Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:17:09 
To: Tom Parker; ; 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling

Hi all,

While on the subject of handling, I am getting ready to put new tires on my 
Mk1. I was seeking any advice on specs for the front end alignment.

Currently, I have 175/70x13 tires on Cosmic 5.5 wheels and the I am told by 
the previous owner the aligment is set as follows: Castor +3 - +4, 
Camber -0.75-1.0, Toe 1/16th in.

I am considering 205/60x13 tires on the same wheels. The front suspension is 
stock. Do I need to change my alignment specs and if so what should they be?

I saw Tom's reference to the CAT shop notes and the entry on alignment specs 
for different tires. I looked but could not find it in the edition I have.

Thanks,

Jim Lindner

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep  1 08:10:18 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:10:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
In-Reply-To: <12d918.1315a2d0.39afb0b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <548F40FC2F78444D9AA2AA9BDEB561C9@ronpc1>

Mark
    The HiPo engine was rated at 271 HP, the std 2 bbl 289 @ 200 HP, 4bbl
@225 HP.    The HiPo has some beefier components, solid lifter cam and other
parts.   Ford put a good effort in to make a streetable higher HP engine for
the masses.   The HiPo engine was a $400 option in 1965.   Was this a sales
gimmick, sure, and it worked; we still go- AH, its a HiPo.   Everything the
Auto companies did and still do is geared toward Sales.

Shelby American was reported to get 314 HP (?) out of these engines.

Today you can get that kind of HP and more out of a stroker  engine or with
power adders.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:36 AM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; atwittsend at verizon.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads




So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation was mostly a
sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo there doesn't seem to
be much gain.
Mark



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From tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep  1 08:20:00 2010
From: tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net (John R. Engle)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:20:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
References: <12d918.1315a2d0.39afb0b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <844945BF89484602A2C44BCBD8C71325@John>

I haven't seen this information come up in this thread in any of the 
references but there is an external marker that denotes Hi-Po heads.  On the 
corner of each head there is a number that is cast in and if memory serves 
me correctly that number is either a 19, 20 or 21.  Thus, when I am at a car 
show and see a small block Ford that is dressed up like a H-Po I always look 
for these corner casting numbers so that I can tell if at least the heads 
are Hi-Pos then possibly everything below it could be correct.  If the 
numbers are not these then I know it is a poser.

John Engle
Mk-II with 289 Hi-Po
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; <atwittsend at verizon.net>; 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads


> So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo"  designation was mostly a
> sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo  there doesn't seem 
> to
> be much gain.
> Mark
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep  1 08:40:57 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:40:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
In-Reply-To: <844945BF89484602A2C44BCBD8C71325@John>
Message-ID: <EEC2CA185CF3420F8D8CBA929B1491E7@ronpc1>

John
	Your correct.   Bob Mannel states in his book that the HiPo heads
carry the number 18,19,20 or 21, located below one of the end exhaust ports
and also on the bottom side of the head.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: John R. Engle [mailto:tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:20 AM
To: CoolVT at aol.com; rfraser at bluefrog.com; atwittsend at verizon.net;
tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads


I haven't seen this information come up in this thread in any of the
references but there is an external marker that denotes Hi-Po heads.  On the

corner of each head there is a number that is cast in and if memory serves
me correctly that number is either a 19, 20 or 21.  Thus, when I am at a car

show and see a small block Ford that is dressed up like a H-Po I always look

for these corner casting numbers so that I can tell if at least the heads
are Hi-Pos then possibly everything below it could be correct.  If the
numbers are not these then I know it is a poser.

John Engle
Mk-II with 289 Hi-Po
----- Original Message -----
From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; <atwittsend at verizon.net>;
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads


> So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo"  designation was
> mostly a sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo  there
> doesn't seem to be much gain.
> Mark
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 08:52:27 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:52:27 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
In-Reply-To: <844945BF89484602A2C44BCBD8C71325@John>
Message-ID: <20100901145227.SI6VJ.210873.root@hrndva-web09-z02>

Why all the teeth nashing over the antiquated 289 Hi-Po?

For much less money, you can lift a 347 in the car that will easily produce
100 HP more.

Thatbs what I am doing.  Period correct, no....but tell that to the Corvette
I just dusted ;^)

Duke
B382002037




---- "John R. Engle" <tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I haven't seen this information come up in this thread in any of the
> references but there is an external marker that denotes Hi-Po heads.  On the
> corner of each head there is a number that is cast in and if memory serves
> me correctly that number is either a 19, 20 or 21.  Thus, when I am at a car
> show and see a small block Ford that is dressed up like a H-Po I always look
> for these corner casting numbers so that I can tell if at least the heads
> are Hi-Pos then possibly everything below it could be correct.  If the
> numbers are not these then I know it is a poser.
>
> John Engle
> Mk-II with 289 Hi-Po
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
> To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; <atwittsend at verizon.net>;
> <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
>
>
> > So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo"  designation was mostly
a
> > sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo  there doesn't seem
> > to
> > be much gain.
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 08:56:32 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:56:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
In-Reply-To: <12d918.1315a2d0.39afb0b5@aol.com>
References: <12d918.1315a2d0.39afb0b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FBC3FE84B33E4B90B2E9471F392A7277@DellD4700>

I personally think it was at least partially a sales gimmick, but to me it
was mostly the sum of several improvements - stronger crank and main caps,
better heads with the spring pockets and screw-in studs, better ignition,
improved exhaust manifolds and that solid lifter cam that gave the engine
such a wonderful sound from idle all the way up to "Banshee". And it was
almost 50 HP (20%) over the regular four barrel 289 and then Shelby got an
additional 35 HP out of it without much trouble.

Forty plus years of technology means we can now get more power and better
drivability for far less cost than a real Hi-Po 289, but I believe the Hi-Po
289 was a major milestone for Ford. I would dearly love to hear one again.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
> 
> So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo"  designation 
> was mostly a sales gimmick? From the similarities with the 
> un-HiPo  there doesn't seem to be much gain.
> Mark
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From dave at munroe.ca  Wed Sep  1 09:06:51 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:06:51 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
In-Reply-To: <635207016-1283295329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-25834365-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com><AANLkTi=cJ=3EkkfOyN6ubwxcn0R4DSFA+=jQWzmKrf11@mail.gmail.com><4B63FE6D73444FAAA04D65867EA6AD70@JPC>
	<635207016-1283295329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-25834365-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <3749B7FA48104446B278DE95A98FBE2C@DavePC>

Jim;

Your tire size change is not that radical, but for what its worth, when I 
went to 15" wheels and wide tires that maintained the same o/a diameter as 
the stock 13" tires, I had my car's front end alignment set at the spec 
numbers.

After 8,000 miles, the outside edges of the front tires were near the wear 
bars, and I replaced them.

According to my alignment guy, this is usually caused by too much toe-in, 
but mine was set at 1/8", (stock spec), and remained in adjustment until the 
tires were removed. We agreed to set the toe at 1/16", and changed the 
camber to bring the top of the tires closer to the top a-frame pivot. (Less 
camber). I don't remember the exact number.

I have a tire wear gauge, and am going to keep a close eye on the wear 
pattern across the tread, and if it shows signs of wearing on one side of 
the other, we will adjust it.

That might be a good idea for you to do as well. Tire wear gauges are cheap 
and easy to use, and available everywhere.

Good luck with your change!

Dave



Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling


 Good Evening (at least on the east coast)

 Thought I would make another call regarding my post from yesterday 
regarding the affect a change in tire size might have on alignment. My new 
tires (205/60x13) get mounted Thursday.  Wear looks pretty even on the old 
tires (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the existing 
alignment specs.

 Thx, Jim

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 10:30:40 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:30:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
Message-ID: <FF457B69DC4A46D2804A33662A4BEA9F@DellD4700>

Group,

The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code engines
and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to
preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or in any
way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose.

Someone who has Internet skills could start a website dedicated to car
memories. It could be open to uploads from everybody and to all makes,
models, types, times and places. Pictures could be included. You could go
through an index looking for specific cars, such as Tigers, or just wander
around like at an open car show to see what you can find. There might even
eventually be some kind of forum where people could ask questions about or
discuss specific uploads.

I know there are a lot of cars sites out there, but the ones I have found
are mostly either limited in their subjects (hot rods or Tigers or
Chevrolets or sports cars, etc.), or to cars owned now or in the recent
past. I'm looking for something where I can post or read about any and every
automobile and any and every thing that people did with, do with, thought
about, remember, or felt about them. 

Perhaps Mark could do something like this, though I suspect we probably have
him at about the limit of what he can do for us. And, of course, the site
doesn't have to be in the U.S. Whether to cover the costs by donation,
advertising or membership fees would have to be determined by whoever sets
up the site.

I'm not interested in just living in the past and I don't think any of us
are. I am very much interested in the now, too. If you have any doubts of
that, stop by and take a ride in the 302, T-5 equipped Geo Tracker I just
built. Or at least you can as soon as I get the drive shaft built and
installed. In the meantime, its roller block 302 sounds really good. It
doesn't sound like a flathead or a Hi-Po 289, but I believe all of them and
many others deserve a place in our collective memory.

Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, if it has already
been done, please send me the URL.

Thanks for reading,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Sep  1 10:40:28 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:40:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
In-Reply-To: <3749B7FA48104446B278DE95A98FBE2C@DavePC>
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	<3749B7FA48104446B278DE95A98FBE2C@DavePC>
Message-ID: <4D2109B19CDB4FD3B75688339A6B76A7@BucksLaptop>

I doubt any local alignment shop knows, much less ever followed the involved 
Rootes factory alignment procedures for which the the factory specs were 
provided. (make "Gap Gauges" following the drawing in the manual, make a 
front platform, insert Gap Gauges front and rear and then add about 300# 
onto the front platform and maybe a bit more into the trunk. Bottom the 
suspension on the Gauges and you're ready to begin.

The lesson here is the Tiger alignment changes as the car is loaded. The 
factory estimated a loading (ride height) and provided specs for that 
height. However in the next 45 years springs sagged, rubber isolators rotted 
and countless variables were introduced into individual cars making that 
procedure with it's related specs increasingly inaccurate and somewhat 
obsolete.

I've had great luck by...
- loading the Tiger as I normally would for a road trip (including driver, 
passenger and all gear),
- setting tire pressures to 40-45 cold,
- setting camber around 1/2 degree negative and
- caster as close to 4 degrees as I can get it with some
- toe-OUT (no more than 1/8').
(Side to side weighed Caster should be as close to equal as possible: I have 
off the shelf alignment shims in various thicknesses down to 1/32 but at 
times I've even custom ground shims to even up the side to side caster 
numbers.

good luck,

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Munroe" <dave at munroe.ca>
To: <jliny5 at cox.net>; <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Tom Parker" 
<tkparker1941 at gmail.com>; <CoolVT at aol.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling


> Jim;
>
> Your tire size change is not that radical, but for what its worth, when I 
> went to 15" wheels and wide tires that maintained the same o/a diameter as 
> the stock 13" tires, I had my car's front end alignment set at the spec 
> numbers.
>
> After 8,000 miles, the outside edges of the front tires were near the wear 
> bars, and I replaced them.
>
> According to my alignment guy, this is usually caused by too much toe-in, 
> but mine was set at 1/8", (stock spec), and remained in adjustment until 
> the tires were removed. We agreed to set the toe at 1/16", and changed the 
> camber to bring the top of the tires closer to the top a-frame pivot. 
> (Less camber). I don't remember the exact number.
>
> I have a tire wear gauge, and am going to keep a close eye on the wear 
> pattern across the tread, and if it shows signs of wearing on one side of 
> the other, we will adjust it.
>
> That might be a good idea for you to do as well. Tire wear gauges are 
> cheap and easy to use, and available everywhere.
>
> Good luck with your change!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
>
>
> Good Evening (at least on the east coast)
>
> Thought I would make another call regarding my post from yesterday 
> regarding the affect a change in tire size might have on alignment. My new 
> tires (205/60x13) get mounted Thursday.  Wear looks pretty even on the old 
> tires (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the 
> existing alignment specs.
>
> Thx, Jim
> _______________________________________________
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Sep  1 11:29:36 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:29:36 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
Message-ID: <13e841.625dd11e.39afe780@aol.com>

Why do some suggest 1/8" toe out and others 1/8" toe  in?
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 9/1/2010 1:08:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
BuckTrippel at Verizon.net writes:

I doubt  any local alignment shop knows, much less ever followed the 
involved  
Rootes factory alignment procedures for which the the factory specs were  
provided. (make "Gap Gauges" following the drawing in the manual, make a  
front platform, insert Gap Gauges front and rear and then add about 300#  
onto the front platform and maybe a bit more into the trunk. Bottom the  
suspension on the Gauges and you're ready to begin.

The lesson here  is the Tiger alignment changes as the car is loaded. The 
factory estimated  a loading (ride height) and provided specs for that 
height. However in the  next 45 years springs sagged, rubber isolators 
rotted 
and countless  variables were introduced into individual cars making that 
procedure with  it's related specs increasingly inaccurate and somewhat  
obsolete.

I've had great luck by...
- loading the Tiger as I  normally would for a road trip (including driver, 
passenger and all  gear),
- setting tire pressures to 40-45 cold,
- setting camber around  1/2 degree negative and
- caster as close to 4 degrees as I can get it with  some
- toe-OUT (no more than 1/8').
(Side to side weighed Caster should  be as close to equal as possible: I 
have 
off the shelf alignment shims in  various thicknesses down to 1/32 but at 
times I've even custom ground  shims to even up the side to side caster 
numbers.

good  luck,

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave  Munroe" <dave at munroe.ca>
To: <jliny5 at cox.net>;  <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>; "Tom Parker"  
<tkparker1941 at gmail.com>; <CoolVT at aol.com>;  <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:06  AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling


>  Jim;
>
> Your tire size change is not that radical, but for what  its worth, when 
I 
> went to 15" wheels and wide tires that maintained  the same o/a diameter 
as 
> the stock 13" tires, I had my car's front  end alignment set at the spec 
> numbers.
>
> After 8,000  miles, the outside edges of the front tires were near the 
wear 
> bars,  and I replaced them.
>
> According to my alignment guy, this is  usually caused by too much 
toe-in, 
> but mine was set at 1/8", (stock  spec), and remained in adjustment until 
> the tires were removed. We  agreed to set the toe at 1/16", and changed 
the 
> camber to bring the  top of the tires closer to the top a-frame pivot. 
> (Less camber). I  don't remember the exact number.
>
> I have a tire wear gauge, and  am going to keep a close eye on the wear 
> pattern across the tread,  and if it shows signs of wearing on one side 
of 
> the other, we will  adjust it.
>
> That might be a good idea for you to do as well.  Tire wear gauges are 
> cheap and easy to use, and available  everywhere.
>
> Good luck with your change!
>
>  Dave
>
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:55  PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
>
>
> Good  Evening (at least on the east coast)
>
> Thought I would make  another call regarding my post from yesterday 
> regarding the affect a  change in tire size might have on alignment. My 
new 
> tires (205/60x13)  get mounted Thursday.  Wear looks pretty even on the 
old 
> tires  (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the 
>  existing alignment specs.
>
> Thx, Jim
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Sep  1 12:03:21 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:03:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
In-Reply-To: <13e841.625dd11e.39afe780@aol.com>
References: <13e841.625dd11e.39afe780@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405968CF2D3@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Toe out avoids, to some extent, the low-speed scrub you will get due to the
non-Ackerman geometry in the Tiger's steering. Additionally it will make your
turn-in more positive. It can make your braking a little bit more darty than
it would be with toe-in, though.

Years ago one of the local racers bought one of the ex-Rocketsports Olds
Cutlass GT-1 cars. He told me that according to the book, the fast setup on
that car had 1/4" toe-out, but apparently that required some substantial lack
of fear on the part of the driver. He ran the car with zero toe.


On the Tiger the factory alignment was intended for skinny bias-ply tires on
narrow wheels. When you put modern radials on, with aspect ratios from 40 to
60 instead of the OEM aspect ratio of 78, you have to be prepared to make some
adjustments and your tire/alignment shop ought to know that too, even if
they're not aware of the factory alignment procedure.

Theo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
> Sent: September 1, 2010 11:30 AM
> To: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
>
> Why do some suggest 1/8" toe out and others 1/8" toe  in?
> Mark L
>
>


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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Sep  1 13:15:28 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
References: <13e841.625dd11e.39afe780@aol.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405968CF2D3@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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Mark,

Toe In is traditional on most street cars. It helps straight line tracking. 
(But so does Caster, but Caster probably does a better job.)

Toe Out is an accommodation to compensate for the Tiger's anti-ackerman 
steering. It also helps "turn-in" when Autocrossing.

Towing out when steering is what Ackerman does. Changing to this amount of 
toe out delays the onset of Anti-Ackerman a bit and since the worst of the 
Anti-Ackerman is at the extreme (near full lock) of steering, the change 
eliminates the anti-ackerman problem for much of the steering range. I did 
the calcs many years ago but I seem to remember this change toes out about a 
degree. (The Tiger's anti-Ackerman is about 3-4 degrees at full lock).

I was fearful to try toe out at first because I was leery about loosing 
tracking stability and then I remembered that every NASCAR roaring around 
the high banks at over 190MPH runs front Toe out. I saw some race Tigers 
demonstrate this setting at 150 to 160MPH on the banks at California 
Speedway with no problems so I tried it. Works fine when coupled with the 
Caster settings described in the earlier post which help straight line 
tracking. (However you'll end up with a"Twitchy" Tiger if you both Toe Out 
and reduce Caster far below the factory "specs". e.g. Caster from almost 4 
degrees down to 2 degrees.)

We've always run 1/8" Tow out in our race Tiger. (And those races average 
almost 80 MPH.)

Buck Trippel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
To: <CoolVT at aol.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling


> Toe out avoids, to some extent, the low-speed scrub you will get due to 
> the
> non-Ackerman geometry in the Tiger's steering. Additionally it will make 
> your
> turn-in more positive. It can make your braking a little bit more darty 
> than
> it would be with toe-in, though.
>
> Years ago one of the local racers bought one of the ex-Rocketsports Olds
> Cutlass GT-1 cars. He told me that according to the book, the fast setup 
> on
> that car had 1/4" toe-out, but apparently that required some substantial 
> lack
> of fear on the part of the driver. He ran the car with zero toe.
>
>
> On the Tiger the factory alignment was intended for skinny bias-ply tires 
> on
> narrow wheels. When you put modern radials on, with aspect ratios from 40 
> to
> 60 instead of the OEM aspect ratio of 78, you have to be prepared to make 
> some
> adjustments and your tire/alignment shop ought to know that too, even if
> they're not aware of the factory alignment procedure.
>
> Theo
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
>> Sent: September 1, 2010 11:30 AM
>> To: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net; tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
>>
>> Why do some suggest 1/8" toe out and others 1/8" toe  in?
>> Mark L

From dave at munroe.ca  Wed Sep  1 13:56:42 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:56:42 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
In-Reply-To: <4D2109B19CDB4FD3B75688339A6B76A7@BucksLaptop>
References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com><AANLkTi=cJ=3EkkfOyN6ubwxcn0R4DSFA+=jQWzmKrf11@mail.gmail.com><4B63FE6D73444FAAA04D65867EA6AD70@JPC><635207016-1283295329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-25834365-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><3749B7FA48104446B278DE95A98FBE2C@DavePC>
	<4D2109B19CDB4FD3B75688339A6B76A7@BucksLaptop>
Message-ID: <42B465E252D84215883DAE1798D6C4BF@DavePC>

Buck:

I've tried that positive "toe out" on an MGB, and it is scary. Its a toss up 
between relaxed drive-ability and heart-in-your-throat "flick-ability". (and 
tire wear).

My car works great in the relaxed mode at between zero and 1/8th in 
toe-in.....so I'm happy with the handling. I'm hoping our experiment with 
less camber will moderate, if not eliminate, the excessive wear around the 
outside edge of the circumference. Its interesting you are at 1/2 degree 
negative. I don't think we set it much more than zero, which give us a bit 
more to go if it proves not to be enough.

Time will tell.

Dave



Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling


>I doubt any local alignment shop knows, much less ever followed the 
>involved Rootes factory alignment procedures for which the the factory 
>specs were provided. (make "Gap Gauges" following the drawing in the 
>manual, make a front platform, insert Gap Gauges front and rear and then 
>add about 300# onto the front platform and maybe a bit more into the trunk. 
>Bottom the suspension on the Gauges and you're ready to begin.
>
> The lesson here is the Tiger alignment changes as the car is loaded. The 
> factory estimated a loading (ride height) and provided specs for that 
> height. However in the next 45 years springs sagged, rubber isolators 
> rotted and countless variables were introduced into individual cars making 
> that procedure with it's related specs increasingly inaccurate and 
> somewhat obsolete.
>
> I've had great luck by...
> - loading the Tiger as I normally would for a road trip (including driver, 
> passenger and all gear),
> - setting tire pressures to 40-45 cold,
> - setting camber around 1/2 degree negative and
> - caster as close to 4 degrees as I can get it with some
> - toe-OUT (no more than 1/8').
> (Side to side weighed Caster should be as close to equal as possible: I 
> have off the shelf alignment shims in various thicknesses down to 1/32 but 
> at times I've even custom ground shims to even up the side to side caster 
> numbers.
>
> good luck,
>
> Buck Trippel

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 15:08:13 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:08:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
In-Reply-To: <12d918.1315a2d0.39afb0b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <347478.50613.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The HIPO heads are so different at the exhaust castings..Dshaped vs round

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:


From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, atwittsend at verizon.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:35 AM


So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo"  designation was mostly a
sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo  there doesn't seem to
be much gain.
Mark
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 15:24:02 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:24:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steves idea- or fault
Message-ID: <559285.58715.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mr Tynes- Yahoo has many groups PLUS it is very easy to start one. I belong to
a plating site. I'm interested in learning how to chrome plate but have
learned there are many types of plating and even chrome is over another metal,
which is plated before the chrome. Owning more Sunbeams than I will ever get
restored and also having a couple of older Harley's, chrome plating became  to
my intrest and ithas become very expensive- the government has caused many
things to increase in price and chrome plating is just one of several. Because
people sent post to the plating site, the person who started the site added
another- it has the same address but with OT at the end- the OT stand for "Off
Topic" and so if I wish to send the plating group a joke, I send it to
the OT site and no one is ever upset. It is free, just takes a moderator to
start the group, yahoo will ask you the name and in our case, it might be
"Sunbeam Tigers OT " and I ask the site if I may join and the moderator adds
my email to the group- it then works just like our LIST, in that all members
who have ask to join, receive all emails and responses- anyone not interested
in seeing my jokes, stories, complaints, endorsements etc etc etc just don't
join the group and THAT would solve our problem of some members getting bent
out of shape over what many think is of interest and they can see only LIST
mail that would only concern Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine- depending on if you are
on one or both LIST. There is plenty of room for both LIST to be on the
Sunbeam OT @ yahoo.com list. I originally was sending this email to A.C.Tynes
but since we have had a extra ammount of off topic emails of late, which has
shown evidence that not everyone has been happy
 about, this is a way we can keep any and all BS sent to our LIST members and
for those not interested, they don't have to become members. I'm not positive
but I think and strongly, you may have to have a yahoo account to receive
"yahoo group" mail.
respectively so,
Tony Lang (TtT) 



From: A. C. Tynes <v8tracker at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:30 AM


Group,

The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code engines
and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to
preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or in any
way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose.

Someone who has Internet skills could

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 15:36:55 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Help
Message-ID: <557146.12192.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Denis is having trouble joing he LIST- I have sent him directions- not 
knowing if this posted- I am fwding i to the LIST.
Thanks for Mr.Mercier
--- On Wed, 9/1/10, denis mercier <denismercier at telvic.net> wrote:


From: denis mercier <denismercier at telvic.net>
Subject: Help
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:34 AM





Hi listers.
Could someone can tell me where can i find the shifter reverse T handle, mine
is broken.
            Thanks !
            Denis

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep  1 16:33:06 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:33:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
In-Reply-To: <347478.50613.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53459657F1DA482E8F80292D43A96796@ronpc1>

Howard
	The small block Ford heads all have exhaust ports that are 1.24" x
1.00".  Boss 302 has 2.00" x 1.74".
I only round port on a small block Ford head that I know of is the intake
port on the 302 tunnel port head.  Great for 8000 rpm but not very
streetable.

Information source: High Performance Ford Engine parts Interchange by George
Reid.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Howard gentry
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:08 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads


The HIPO heads are so different at the exhaust castings..Dshaped vs round

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:


From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, atwittsend at verizon.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:35 AM


So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo"  designation was mostly a
sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo  there doesn't seem to
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From csx2282 at sonic.net  Wed Sep  1 16:35:00 2010
From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:35:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
References: <mailman.13.1283364002.8628.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <EF63EA5C84854DF381A85482B7B622E3@Cobra>

Interesting that you should suggest a site dedicated to car stories and
memories, because I've been having similar thoughts.  I joined the 
british-cars list
about 20 years ago when it included all marques and there were much more
of those types of posts then.  It wouldn't be practical to revert back to
that now because of the hugely increased volume, but I kind of miss it.  I
kept copies of some of the stuff I posted over the years.  Occasionally I
look back through one or two of them and am surprised to read stuff I had 
completely
forgotten.  Who knows, maybe my kids or grand kids will find some of it
interesting someday.

I'm still on the british-cars list but the average monthly volume is 
probably
less than the daily Tiger list volume.

Should anyone be interested in pictures of early HiPo heads, I have a
basket case set that's been sitting in my garage for decades.

Roland

> Group,
>
> The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code
> engines
> and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to
> preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or in any
> way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose.
>
> Someone who has Internet skills could start a website dedicated to car
> memories. It could be open to uploads from everybody and to all makes,
> models, types, times and places. Pictures could be included. You could go
> through an index looking for specific cars, such as Tigers, or just wander
> around like at an open car show to see what you can find. There might even
> eventually be some kind of forum where people could ask questions about or
> discuss specific uploads.
>
> I know there are a lot of cars sites out there, but the ones I have found
> are mostly either limited in their subjects (hot rods or Tigers or
> Chevrolets or sports cars, etc.), or to cars owned now or in the recent
> past. I'm looking for something where I can post or read about any and
> every
> automobile and any and every thing that people did with, do with, thought
> about, remember, or felt about them.
>
> Perhaps Mark could do something like this, though I suspect we probably
> have
> him at about the limit of what he can do for us. And, of course, the site
> doesn't have to be in the U.S. Whether to cover the costs by donation,
> advertising or membership fees would have to be determined by whoever sets
> up the site.
>
> I'm not interested in just living in the past and I don't think any of us
> are. I am very much interested in the now, too. If you have any doubts of
> that, stop by and take a ride in the 302, T-5 equipped Geo Tracker I just
> built. Or at least you can as soon as I get the drive shaft built and
> installed. In the meantime, its roller block 302 sounds really good. It
> doesn't sound like a flathead or a Hi-Po 289, but I believe all of them
> and
> many others deserve a place in our collective memory.
>
> Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, if it has already
> been done, please send me the URL.
>
> Thanks for reading,
> A. C. Tynes
> New Orleans

From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Wed Sep  1 17:22:07 2010
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:22:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] hipo engine
Message-ID: <003101cb4a2c$7ef73de0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

Guys,  The Shelby Gt350's '65 and '66 were 306 HP  unless supercharged or had
multiple carbs,  Clyde  previous owner 6s639

From prmnes at verizon.net  Wed Sep  1 17:22:12 2010
From: prmnes at verizon.net (Paul Memont)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:22:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
In-Reply-To: <EF63EA5C84854DF381A85482B7B622E3@Cobra>
References: <mailman.13.1283364002.8628.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<EF63EA5C84854DF381A85482B7B622E3@Cobra>
Message-ID: <4C7EE024.20507@verizon.net>

csx2282 wrote:
> Interesting that you should suggest a site dedicated to car stories and
> memories, because I've been having similar thoughts.  I joined the 
> british-cars list
> about 20 years ago when it included all marques and there were much more
> of those types of posts then.  It wouldn't be practical to revert back to
> that now because of the hugely increased volume, but I kind of miss 
> it.  I
> kept copies of some of the stuff I posted over the years.  Occasionally I
> look back through one or two of them and am surprised to read stuff I 
> had completely
> forgotten.  Who knows, maybe my kids or grand kids will find some of it
> interesting someday.
>
> I'm still on the british-cars list but the average monthly volume is 
> probably
> less than the daily Tiger list volume.
>
> Should anyone be interested in pictures of early HiPo heads, I have a
> basket case set that's been sitting in my garage for decades.
>
> Roland
>
>> Group,
>>
>> The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code
>> engines
>> and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to
>> preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or 
>> in any
>> way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose.
>>
>> Someone who has Internet skills could start a website dedicated to car
>> memories. It could be open to uploads from everybody and to all makes,
>> models, types, times and places. Pictures could be included. You 
>> could go
>> through an index looking for specific cars, such as Tigers, or just 
>> wander
>> around like at an open car show to see what you can find. There might 
>> even
>> eventually be some kind of forum where people could ask questions 
>> about or
>> discuss specific uploads.
>>
>> I know there are a lot of cars sites out there, but the ones I have 
>> found
>> are mostly either limited in their subjects (hot rods or Tigers or
>> Chevrolets or sports cars, etc.), or to cars owned now or in the recent
>> past. I'm looking for something where I can post or read about any and
>> every
>> automobile and any and every thing that people did with, do with, 
>> thought
>> about, remember, or felt about them.
>>
>> Perhaps Mark could do something like this, though I suspect we probably
>> have
>> him at about the limit of what he can do for us. And, of course, the 
>> site
>> doesn't have to be in the U.S. Whether to cover the costs by donation,
>> advertising or membership fees would have to be determined by whoever 
>> sets
>> up the site.
>>
>> I'm not interested in just living in the past and I don't think any 
>> of us
>> are. I am very much interested in the now, too. If you have any 
>> doubts of
>> that, stop by and take a ride in the 302, T-5 equipped Geo Tracker I 
>> just
>> built. Or at least you can as soon as I get the drive shaft built and
>> installed. In the meantime, its roller block 302 sounds really good. It
>> doesn't sound like a flathead or a Hi-Po 289, but I believe all of them
>> and
>> many others deserve a place in our collective memory.
>>
>> Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, if it has 
>> already
>> been done, please send me the URL.
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>> A. C. Tynes
>> New Orleans
> _______________________________________________

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 17:52:20 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:52:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam in another magazine ad
In-Reply-To: <mailman.44922.1283380455.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <275516.25821.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry if this was already mentioned, but I haven't been watching the postings lately and wanted to make sure everyone noticed the Car And Driver, Free fuel for a year promo that features a Sunbeam from behind (Alpine I think) in a full page ad. There are several ads out now there with similar shots of Sunbeams.

Stephen Waybright

From prmnes at verizon.net  Wed Sep  1 18:12:11 2010
From: prmnes at verizon.net (Paul Memont)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:12:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
In-Reply-To: <4C7EE024.20507@verizon.net>
References: <mailman.13.1283364002.8628.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<EF63EA5C84854DF381A85482B7B622E3@Cobra> <4C7EE024.20507@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C7EEBDB.8010206@verizon.net>

Oops!
Forgot the link!

http://www.carmemories.com



Paul Memont wrote:
> csx2282 wrote:
>> Interesting that you should suggest a site dedicated to car stories and
>> memories, because I've been having similar thoughts.  I joined the 
>> british-cars list
>> about 20 years ago when it included all marques and there were much more
>> of those types of posts then.  It wouldn't be practical to revert 
>> back to
>> that now because of the hugely increased volume, but I kind of miss 
>> it.  I
>> kept copies of some of the stuff I posted over the years.  
>> Occasionally I
>> look back through one or two of them and am surprised to read stuff I 
>> had completely
>> forgotten.  Who knows, maybe my kids or grand kids will find some of it
>> interesting someday.
>>
>> I'm still on the british-cars list but the average monthly volume is 
>> probably
>> less than the daily Tiger list volume.
>>
>> Should anyone be interested in pictures of early HiPo heads, I have a
>> basket case set that's been sitting in my garage for decades.
>>
>> Roland
>>
>>> Group,
>>>
>>> The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code
>>> engines
>>> and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to
>>> preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or 
>>> in any
>>> way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose.
>>>
>>> Someone who has Internet skills could start a website dedicated to car
>>> memories. It could be open to uploads from everybody and to all makes,
>>> models, types, times and places. Pictures could be included. You 
>>> could go
>>> through an index looking for specific cars, such as Tigers, or just 
>>> wander
>>> around like at an open car show to see what you can find. There 
>>> might even
>>> eventually be some kind of forum where people could ask questions 
>>> about or
>>> discuss specific uploads.
>>>
>>> I know there are a lot of cars sites out there, but the ones I have 
>>> found
>>> are mostly either limited in their subjects (hot rods or Tigers or
>>> Chevrolets or sports cars, etc.), or to cars owned now or in the recent
>>> past. I'm looking for something where I can post or read about any and
>>> every
>>> automobile and any and every thing that people did with, do with, 
>>> thought
>>> about, remember, or felt about them.
>>>
>>> Perhaps Mark could do something like this, though I suspect we probably
>>> have
>>> him at about the limit of what he can do for us. And, of course, the 
>>> site
>>> doesn't have to be in the U.S. Whether to cover the costs by donation,
>>> advertising or membership fees would have to be determined by 
>>> whoever sets
>>> up the site.
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in just living in the past and I don't think any 
>>> of us
>>> are. I am very much interested in the now, too. If you have any 
>>> doubts of
>>> that, stop by and take a ride in the 302, T-5 equipped Geo Tracker I 
>>> just
>>> built. Or at least you can as soon as I get the drive shaft built and
>>> installed. In the meantime, its roller block 302 sounds really good. It
>>> doesn't sound like a flathead or a Hi-Po 289, but I believe all of them
>>> and
>>> many others deserve a place in our collective memory.
>>>
>>> Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, if it has 
>>> already
>>> been done, please send me the URL.
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading,
>>> A. C. Tynes
>>> New Orleans

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 19:53:54 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] hipo engine
In-Reply-To: <003101cb4a2c$7ef73de0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <516155.56962.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     My uncle had a 1966 Tiger with the 306HP engine in it..It was fast and
quick..
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, Clyde McLaughlin <clydemclaughlin at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Clyde McLaughlin <clydemclaughlin at verizon.net>
Subject: [Tigers] hipo engine
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:22 PM


Guys,  The Shelby Gt350's '65 and '66 were 306 HP  unless supercharged or had
multiple carbs,  Clyde  previous owner 6s639
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Sep  1 21:57:03 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 03:57:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] hipo engine
In-Reply-To: <003101cb4a2c$7ef73de0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <1719213287.632259.1283399823895.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Yeah, but wasn't that questionable?  271HP with the Ford Motor Company
engineering, vs. Shelby's California street rodders getting 306HP with just
a few minor tweeks...


----- Original Message -----
From: Clyde McLaughlin <clydemclaughlin at verizon.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:22:07 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] hipo engine

Guys,  The Shelby Gt350's '65 and '66 were 306 HP  unless supercharged or had
multiple carbs,  Clyde  previous owner 6s639
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Sep  1 22:07:16 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 04:07:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
In-Reply-To: <EF63EA5C84854DF381A85482B7B622E3@Cobra>
Message-ID: <67363186.632627.1283400436945.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

>  Who knows, maybe my kids or grand kids will find some of it
>interesting someday.

Not many know this but:
Roland's son is a real chip off the ol block..  he has (or had?) a
british sports car with american V8.   Poor kids now adays can't
have a magnificent Tiger or Cobra, he has a TR8, STILL a
GREAT car!!

To add to the OT bs(?!)  I first met Roland at my first job as a new
graduate engineer..   He was the senior guy on one of my projects
and out of the blue he asked me one day "are you the guy I see
driving a Sunbeam Tiger?"...   its been 37years since that day...
I still have that Tiger and Roland still has that Cobra...
Who would have thought....
Gary

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 22:15:40 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:15:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
In-Reply-To: <4C7EEBDB.8010206@verizon.net>
References: <mailman.13.1283364002.8628.tigers@autox.team.net><EF63EA5C84854DF381A85482B7B622E3@Cobra>
	<4C7EE024.20507@verizon.net> <4C7EEBDB.8010206@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <35E03DEC303F411BAEA063F66F47806A@DellD4700>

Thanks, Paul. This looks like just what I wanted.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Memont
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:12 PM
> To: csx2282
> Cc: tigers
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
> 
> Oops!
> Forgot the link!
> 
> http://www.carmemories.com
> 
> 
> >>> Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, 
> if it has 
> >>> already been done, please send me the URL.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for reading,
> >>> A. C. Tynes
> >>> New Orleans
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 22:58:49 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:58:49 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Nice Tiger fitting wheels
Message-ID: <AANLkTimKqqOKZB9EadqHyfGYkWzz0tFSrsaOEQEgNfro@mail.gmail.com>

Saw these on ebay in the USA... they look nice on tiges IMHO.. and are not
minilite/superlite/panasports.. so good period alternative

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dunlop-D1-Alloy-Wheels-13x5-5-Ford-Cortina-Ang
lia-Capri_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dSIQ26ituQ3dUCIQ252BUAQ252BFICSQ2
6otnQ3d8Q26pmodQ3d280554739977Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d63Q26clkidQ3d597717838656594
9185QQ_trksidZp3907Q2em263QQcategoryZ140747QQitemZ120615415964

--
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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Thu Sep  2 07:45:00 2010
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Nice Tiger fitting wheels
References: <AANLkTimKqqOKZB9EadqHyfGYkWzz0tFSrsaOEQEgNfro@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0304426FE56E405F9F878186E82B5346@3bfd27b5ca44402>

Saw a Tiger w/Lotus "wobble wheels" at a meet in RI many years ago---looked 
really cool, but never saw another. 

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 08:01:19 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] classifieds for your enjoyment
Message-ID: <004801cb4aa7$52bf6560$f83e3020$@com>

Not a lot of info, but for the price asking.dang, I would be curious.if I
was in the market.AAAANND.im not. Check it out though

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/1906088038.html

 

 

this one has been listed for a while.car appears to be rough but images can
be deceiving in both good and bad ways.it may not be that bad and there is
some decent parts on it..and looks fairly complete. Might be worth checking
out. Appears to be a non-original engine for the VIN but given the valve
covers and the 289.might be a HiPo motor or something..who knows, its
happened!

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/1872872416.html

 

 

just the messenger.

 

Cullen

1452

From Parlanti at comcast.net  Thu Sep  2 08:19:02 2010
From: Parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:19:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Nice Tiger fitting wheels
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimKqqOKZB9EadqHyfGYkWzz0tFSrsaOEQEgNfro@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimKqqOKZB9EadqHyfGYkWzz0tFSrsaOEQEgNfro@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007d01cb4aa9$cb860ec0$62922c40$@net>

I have these wheels on my Tiger and really like them. They're period correct
and more unusual than most. Here's a link to an article that I wrote some
time ago about restoring the wheels with some shots of them on my car:

http://flymall.org/magento/index.php/tech-tips/how-to-restore-aluminum-wheel
s.html

Scroll down to the documents section and click to download the article. BTW,
I've also reproduced the Dunlop logo for the center cap if anyone needs
them.

Cheers,

JVP
B382000026

Joseph V. Parlanti
16048 Copen Meadow Dr
North Potomac, Md. 20878
Cell - 301-461-0626
Email - Parlanti at comcast.net


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:59 AM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Nice Tiger fitting wheels

Saw these on ebay in the USA... they look nice on tiges IMHO.. and are not
minilite/superlite/panasports.. so good period alternative

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dunlop-D1-Alloy-Wheels-13x5-5-Ford-Cortina-An
g
lia-Capri_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dSIQ26ituQ3dUCIQ252BUAQ252BFICSQ
2
6otnQ3d8Q26pmodQ3d280554739977Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d63Q26clkidQ3d59771783865659
4
9185QQ_trksidZp3907Q2em263QQcategoryZ140747QQitemZ120615415964

--
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Michael King
_______________________________________________

From spmdr at juno.com  Thu Sep  2 08:53:15 2010
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:53:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Alignment settings
Message-ID: <20100902.075315.2904.0.spmdr@juno.com>

Just a note(s) on front end alignment,

IF you don't use the gap gages, and who does, you really NEED to recheck
the settings!

and the more times the better!

And I mean AFTER settling the car!

...as in drive it THEN check it!

Also, camber is a key player when it comes to toe OUT settings.

DW
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Thu Sep  2 09:58:57 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 8:58:57 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
In-Reply-To: <20100902.075315.2904.0.spmdr@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20100902115857.MYKN0.713974.imail@fed1rmwml44>

A silly question.

Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it?
I talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3 screws.

Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny hump.

Erich

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep  2 10:45:42 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:45:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
In-Reply-To: <20100902115857.MYKN0.713974.imail@fed1rmwml44>
Message-ID: <13413B761628444D923F694E870C94B7@ronpc1>

Erich
	I'm not sure how this was originally.   I found that if the carpet
is thin enough you can mount it under the carpet, if the carpet is thick you
have to mount it on the top of the carpet or cut the carpet.  You never want
the carpet or the screws interfering with the action of the pedal.

	There are 2 stops; 1 high on near the U shaped piece and 1 low for
the pedal.  I don't have any carpet there at this time but these can go
through the carpet.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:59 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.


A silly question.

Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it? I
talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3
screws.

Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny hump.

Erich

From csx2282 at sonic.net  Thu Sep  2 11:16:04 2010
From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:16:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
References: <67363186.632627.1283400436945.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <15B6CB7D41B447AD8B94E088104DA90A@Cobra>

Close Gary, but no banana!

The TR8 engine is a British Rover 3.5L fuel injected V8.  My son still has the
car, though his year old twin sons currently take fun priority.

And sorta back on topic, the 306HP Hi-Po setup includes a high rise intake
manifold with a Model 4150C ( R-3259_1 AAS) 715 CFM four barrel.

Roland
  ----- Original Message -----

  Not many know this but:
  Roland's son is a real chip off the ol block..  he has (or had?) a
  british sports car with american V8.   Poor kids now adays can't
  have a magnificent Tiger or Cobra, he has a TR8, STILL a
  GREAT car!!

  Gary

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Thu Sep  2 11:44:26 2010
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
In-Reply-To: <15B6CB7D41B447AD8B94E088104DA90A@Cobra>
References: <67363186.632627.1283400436945.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<15B6CB7D41B447AD8B94E088104DA90A@Cobra>
Message-ID: <20100902174354.B03B0187650@autox.team.net>

At 01:16 PM 9/2/2010, csx2282 wrote:
 >Close Gary, but no banana!
 >
 >The TR8 engine is a British Rover 3.5L fuel
injected V8.  My son still has the
 >car, though his year old twin sons currently take fun priority.
 >

The 3500cc Rover engine began life as the Buick
215 V-8.  Leyland bought the engine and tooling from GM in '68.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From tigger at missiongranite.com  Thu Sep  2 11:52:48 2010
From: tigger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:52:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
References: <67363186.632627.1283400436945.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<15B6CB7D41B447AD8B94E088104DA90A@Cobra>
Message-ID: <000601cb4ac7$a7e4d410$0200000a@wearezs.com>

Gary is technically correct.  The rover v8 started out as the olds 215
rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known
as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8.  So the basis is actually american
with english modifications over the years/

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault


> Close Gary, but no banana!
>
> The TR8 engine is a British Rover 3.5L fuel injected V8.  My son still has
the
> car, though his year old twin sons currently take fun priority.
>
> And sorta back on topic, the 306HP Hi-Po setup includes a high rise intake
> manifold with a Model 4150C ( R-3259_1 AAS) 715 CFM four barrel.
>
> Roland
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   Not many know this but:
>   Roland's son is a real chip off the ol block..  he has (or had?) a
>   british sports car with american V8.   Poor kids now adays can't
>   have a magnificent Tiger or Cobra, he has a TR8, STILL a
>   GREAT car!!
>
>   Gary
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From csx2282 at sonic.net  Thu Sep  2 12:03:38 2010
From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:03:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
References: <67363186.632627.1283400436945.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<15B6CB7D41B447AD8B94E088104DA90A@Cobra>
	<000601cb4ac7$a7e4d410$0200000a@wearezs.com>
Message-ID: <CB55048ED4BD48138FFC21388C1952F2@Cobra>

Yes, I'm aware of this history, but if it runs like a Brit engine and if it 
leaks like a Brit engine, it's a Brit engine.

Roland

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Zeni" <tigger at missiongranite.com>
To: "csx2282" <csx2282 at sonic.net>; "tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault


> Gary is technically correct.  The rover v8 started out as the olds 215
> rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known
> as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8.  So the basis is actually american
> with english modifications over the years/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "csx2282" <csx2282 at sonic.net>
> To: <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> Cc: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault
>
>
>> Close Gary, but no banana!
>>
>> The TR8 engine is a British Rover 3.5L fuel injected V8.  My son still 
>> has
> the
>> car, though his year old twin sons currently take fun priority.
>>
>> And sorta back on topic, the 306HP Hi-Po setup includes a high rise 
>> intake
>> manifold with a Model 4150C ( R-3259_1 AAS) 715 CFM four barrel.
>>
>> Roland
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>   Not many know this but:
>>   Roland's son is a real chip off the ol block..  he has (or had?) a
>>   british sports car with american V8.   Poor kids now adays can't
>>   have a magnificent Tiger or Cobra, he has a TR8, STILL a
>>   GREAT car!!
>>
>>   Gary
>> _______________________________________________
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 12:03:51 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:03:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
In-Reply-To: <13413B761628444D923F694E870C94B7@ronpc1>
References: <20100902115857.MYKN0.713974.imail@fed1rmwml44>
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With the stock throttle rod assy. and a 4160 Holley on a Performer manifold
the pedal doesn't quite reach the lower stop (without carpet...). The upper
stop doesn't come anywhere near the "U-shaped" throttle upper bar on mine;
I've been looking for an excuse to ask the group about that (The cable gets
replaced by a Lokar cable once the engine is spun up and I know there are no
other problems.).

So, Thanks Erich for bringing it up, and, Ron, your thoughts... what am I
missing?

Tom
' 67 Tiger undergoing reconstruction.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Erich
>        I'm not sure how this was originally.   I found that if the carpet
> is thin enough you can mount it under the carpet, if the carpet is thick
> you
> have to mount it on the top of the carpet or cut the carpet.  You never
> want
> the carpet or the screws interfering with the action of the pedal.
>
>        There are 2 stops; 1 high on near the U shaped piece and 1 low for
> the pedal.  I don't have any carpet there at this time but these can go
> through the carpet.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:59 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
>
>
> A silly question.
>
> Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it?
> I
> talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3
> screws.
>
> Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny
> hump.
>
> Erich
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 12:28:09 2010
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:28:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] classifieds for your enjoyment
In-Reply-To: <004801cb4aa7$52bf6560$f83e3020$@com>
References: <004801cb4aa7$52bf6560$f83e3020$@com>
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The Wilmington car sold 2 weeks ago, package deal with a trailer around 9000

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Cullen McCann
<clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com>wrote:

> Not a lot of info, but for the price asking.dang, I would be curious.if I
> was in the market.AAAANND.im <http://market.aaaannd.im/> not. Check it out
> though
>
> http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/1906088038.html
>
>
>
>
>
> this one has been listed for a while.car appears to be rough but images can
> be deceiving in both good and bad ways.it may not be that bad and there is
> some decent parts on it..and looks fairly complete. Might be worth checking
> out. Appears to be a non-original engine for the VIN but given the valve
> covers and the 289.might be a HiPo motor or something..who knows, its
> happened!
>
> http://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/1872872416.html
>
>
>
>
>
> just the messenger.
>
>
>
> Cullen
>
> 1452
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep  2 12:49:32 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:49:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] The Snake Oil Truth
Message-ID: <787600.88202.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 "Yeah, but wasn't that questionable?  271HP with the Ford Motor Company
engineering, vs. Shelby's California street rodders getting 306HP with just
a few minor tweeks..."
 
Shelby was able to do it back in the day.   Mustang Monthly did a dyno test
between a HiPo 289 and a Shelby modified HiPo.   Here is the result page and 
the HP ratings are close to what Ford and Shelby said they should be.  Read
the rest of the article for the full story.
 
 
 
http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1003_1965_hi_po_engine_versus
_shelby_289_short_block/dyno_test_results.html

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 12:56:15 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] classifieds for your enjoyment
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzqOJgzXqG1U7fsRtJQfgBf9Ra+1rGNpxuHeGN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801cb4aa7$52bf6560$f83e3020$@com>
	<AANLkTikzqOJgzXqG1U7fsRtJQfgBf9Ra+1rGNpxuHeGN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01cb4ad0$8603f390$920bdab0$@com>

Yep.I had one other lister contact me off line and mention it had sold. I
also heard that the seller wouldn't sell the parts separately..which it was
some of the parts that caught my eye. Well.9 grand seems like it could be
well bought for a complete car if the rust isn't too bad.

 

Good to note that its no longer available...it would be nice if the seller
would remove the ad.but I guess it will eventually run out anyway.

 

Cullen

 

 

From: Jeffery Randall [mailto:jefferyrandall at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:28 PM
To: Cullen McCann
Cc: Tiger List Serve
Subject: Re: [Tigers] classifieds for your enjoyment

 

The Wilmington car sold 2 weeks ago, package deal with a trailer around 9000

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Cullen McCann <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com>
wrote:

Not a lot of info, but for the price asking.dang, I would be curious.if I
was in the market.AAAANND.im <http://market.aaaannd.im/>  not. Check it out
though

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/1906088038.html





this one has been listed for a while.car appears to be rough but images can
be deceiving in both good and bad ways.it <http://ways.it/>  may not be that
bad and there is
some decent parts on it..and looks fairly complete. Might be worth checking
out. Appears to be a non-original engine for the VIN but given the valve
covers and the 289.might be a HiPo motor or something..who knows, its
happened!

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/1872872416.html





just the messenger.



Cullen

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep  2 12:58:15 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:58:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfP9OqhJ+62DOJEakUE-Hw9rRZENeMNJ+5i-_V@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom
    The gas pedal has 1 adjustment at the lever arm.   You can set it up any
way you like for wide open throttle and height of the pedal.   Adjust it to
a comfortable position and then look for wide open throttle position.   If
you don't run at WOT, you don't have to adjust it to get full WOT but you
should be near there for when its needed.

The upper stop hits the flat disc on the lever arm.   I think it is mostly
for a rattle stop and I'm not sure it is really needed in every case.

My gas pedal has a slight rattle now and then, so I don't have my upper stop
just right yet.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941 at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:04 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: e.coiner at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.


With the stock throttle rod assy. and a 4160 Holley on a Performer manifold
the pedal doesn't quite reach the lower stop (without carpet...). The upper
stop doesn't come anywhere near the "U-shaped" throttle upper bar on mine;
I've been looking for an excuse to ask the group about that (The cable gets
replaced by a Lokar cable once the engine is spun up and I know there are no
other problems.).

So, Thanks Erich for bringing it up, and, Ron, your thoughts... what am I
missing?

Tom
' 67 Tiger undergoing reconstruction.


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


Erich
       I'm not sure how this was originally.   I found that if the carpet
is thin enough you can mount it under the carpet, if the carpet is thick you
have to mount it on the top of the carpet or cut the carpet.  You never want
the carpet or the screws interfering with the action of the pedal.

       There are 2 stops; 1 high on near the U shaped piece and 1 low for
the pedal.  I don't have any carpet there at this time but these can go
through the carpet.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:59 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.


A silly question.

Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it? I
talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3
screws.

Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny hump.

Erich

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep  2 13:34:16 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:34:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine
Message-ID: <93899.2647.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
"Gary is technically correct.  The rover v8 started out as the olds 215
rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known
as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8.  So the basis is actually american
with english modifications over the years/"
 
Not many know that Jack Brabham used the engine as a basis for his team's two
F1 world championship engines in 1966 and 1967.  Brabham hired Repco of
Australia to modify the block and install single overhead cam heads on the
Oldsmobile block.  Here is a link and about half way down is the discussion on
the Oldsmobile engine block.
 
http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx
 
                                              Jeff
 
 
http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx

From rab65tiger at aol.com  Thu Sep  2 14:02:52 2010
From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:02:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqzcTDm714NO=6FTtrJVbVJHAFEAXGJJ9D=N8T@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com>
	<AANLkTimqzcTDm714NO=6FTtrJVbVJHAFEAXGJJ9D=N8T@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD18F0F5905E56-1A44-103F@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>

 I have heard, but have no knowledge of two items that have been done to
effect handling.  1) utilizing early alpine upper A arms, I was told they were
shorter and add camber curve?  Also, installing lower fulcrums pins reversed
(on purpose) stated to add caster?  Anyone have experience with these.  I also
have a 1977 shop notes, that indicated a upper A arm lowering, and slight
angle to affect handling and anti dive (rear end lifting under hard breaking)?
I have no experience with these items, but are any bennificial, and worth
pursuing?  My car also has the Lou Anderson Ackerman kit, corrects Ackerman,
reduces turn radius, bump steer maybe worse???

Randy B








-----Original Message-----
From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: CoolVT at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling


Adding wider tyres will make the car track.tramline in ruts more.. so that

isnt beyond reason. As for the other things.. alignment is likely to be the

issue.. how much castor are you running.. adding more castor will help the

feel.. are you running toe in or toe out?



On 28 August 2010 23:57, <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:



> I've made some changes over the past few years and  haven't been satisfied

> with the handling.  The 2 things that seem different  are:

> Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40  mph+

> Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road.

> It seems that the 2 problems are  contradictory.

>

> The things that I've changed from stock  are:

> MG Midget steering rack

> Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x  50 x16 (front) and

> 205 x 50 x16 (rear).

> Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's  7/8's")

> 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the  front a  little

> Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought  it would be too hard

> with low profile tires.

> Done an allignment and that seems  good.

>

> Any suggestions?

> Mark L

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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 14:12:05 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:12:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
In-Reply-To: <FCAC2EF819C54880A8B121441F332D4C@ronpc1>
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Ron, Thanks!

I don' got no "flat disk"! The lever arm misses the stop near the valve
cover access hole by @ 3/4". I'll have to figure out how to properly make a
"disk" to span the distance. (It's somewhat superfluous anyway; the carb has
a functioning stop.)

The pedal stop, as you said, should be set just at, or just before W.O.T..
Any more and the overly enthusiastic driver might find him / her self
without a throttle! (Needle nose pliers and a coat hanger always ride with
me... not that I'm overly enthusiastic at my advanced age...)

Tom

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

>  Tom
>     The gas pedal has 1 adjustment at the lever arm.   You can set it up
> any way you like for wide open throttle and height of the pedal.   Adjust it
> to a comfortable position and then look for wide open throttle position.
> If you don't run at WOT, you don't have to adjust it to get full WOT but you
> should be near there for when its needed.
>
> The upper stop hits the flat disc on the lever arm.   I think it is mostly
> for a rattle stop and I'm not sure it is really needed in every case.
>
> My gas pedal has a slight rattle now and then, so I don't have my upper
> stop just right yet.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:04 PM
> *To:* rfraser at bluefrog.com
> *Cc:* e.coiner at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
>
> With the stock throttle rod assy. and a 4160 Holley on a Performer manifold
> the pedal doesn't quite reach the lower stop (without carpet...). The upper
> stop doesn't come anywhere near the "U-shaped" throttle upper bar on mine;
> I've been looking for an excuse to ask the group about that (The cable gets
> replaced by a Lokar cable once the engine is spun up and I know there are no
> other problems.).
>
> So, Thanks Erich for bringing it up, and, Ron, your thoughts... what am I
> missing?
>
> Tom
> ' 67 Tiger undergoing reconstruction.
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
>> Erich
>>        I'm not sure how this was originally.   I found that if the carpet
>> is thin enough you can mount it under the carpet, if the carpet is thick
>> you
>> have to mount it on the top of the carpet or cut the carpet.  You never
>> want
>> the carpet or the screws interfering with the action of the pedal.
>>
>>        There are 2 stops; 1 high on near the U shaped piece and 1 low for
>> the pedal.  I don't have any carpet there at this time but these can go
>> through the carpet.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net
>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:59 AM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
>>
>>
>> A silly question.
>>
>> Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it?
>> I
>> talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3
>> screws.
>>
>> Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny
>> hump.
>>
>> Erich

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Sep  2 15:26:41 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
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Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405968CF5E0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Hi Randy,
I've reversed the lower fulcrum pins as well as mounting the inboard end of
the upper control arms lower down. So I get more caster as well as having a
more aggressive camber curve. One thing that you need to know about the
reversed fulcrum pins is that the lower control arm will come very close to,
or hit the crossmember, before it bottoms out against the bump stop.

Theo



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From bobdixon at frii.com  Thu Sep  2 15:30:01 2010
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:30:01 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
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I have also heard of lowering one side of the upper A-arm.  I can't
remember whether it is the front or back bolt that is lowered and by how
much.  Anyone know the details?

Thanks,
Bob

From jim at island.net  Thu Sep  2 15:46:19 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine ( off topic )
In-Reply-To: <93899.2647.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <93899.2647.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <011EEC684CA644AB96C21E52A4DFF128@JIMPC>

That brings back some memories...
At about the same time as the Brabham-Repco was winning races, I was only
16... and had already decided that someday, I would have a mid-engined V8
kit car.. I think I bought the assembly manual for a Fiberfab Avenger that
same year but it was never to be. 
About 30 years ago, I saw an article in "Hot Rod" about Rod Simpsons SBC
powered 914 and I thought Hey... this is GOOD... mid engine, 4 wheel disks
and most of what I wanted was already built!  Somehow I got sidetracked and
realised that a much lighter V8 would be even better and ended up installing
a Rover 3500 in a 72 914 complete with 916 flares, Pirelli P7s,etc.
...really done up nice. That thing cornered at about 1G and had 200hp with
the new motor actually being about 30 lbs. lighter that the air-cooled 4
that came out. It's still on the road in Texas some where... 
There's a fellow that lives about 2 hours down the road that used to
campaign a Can-Am car based on the Olds block... He flipped it and got
severely burned which sort of ended the campaign but he now has a shop
fixing mostly British cars and is also the Caterham 7 dealer.
The factory Olds was turboed (waay back in 1962, the F85 Jetfire !)so maybe
that's why the heads had the extra bolt! The 64 Buick 300 had an iron block
but aluminum heads that had bigger valves and still bolted up to the Buick
215 or Rover. You could also use that crank to stroke the 215 . There are a
couple aftermarket companies that build up 215s up over 5 liters  and I
think they use it in the Range Rover to this day. 

Jim
B382000446


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
Sent: September 2, 2010 12:34 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine

 
"Gary is technically correct.  The rover v8 started out as the olds 215
rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known
as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8.  So the basis is actually american
with english modifications over the years/"
 
Not many know that Jack Brabham used the engine as a basis for his team's
two
F1 world championship engines in 1966 and 1967.  Brabham hired Repco of
Australia to modify the block and install single overhead cam heads on the
Oldsmobile block.  Here is a link and about half way down is the discussion
on
the Oldsmobile engine block.
 
http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx
 
                                              Jeff
 
 
http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx
_______________________________________________

From jim at island.net  Thu Sep  2 16:01:59 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling
In-Reply-To: <bb325cb571f2d7a3a2343da6d87e76ee@localhost>
References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com><AANLkTimqzcTDm714NO=6FTtrJVbVJHAFEAXGJJ9D=N8T@mail.gmail.com><8CD18F0F5905E56-1A44-103F@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>
	<bb325cb571f2d7a3a2343da6d87e76ee@localhost>
Message-ID: <9D7FF42E329E4105BA6A86B54ED8E306@JIMPC>

Hi Bob

For what they call the competition setup, it's actually both bolts are
lowered. I'm running it that way on my car. I have the old tech tip on
paper... thought I had scanned it.... if you want a copy I can scan it and
post it somewhere...or e-mail it to you...

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bob Dixon
Sent: September 2, 2010 2:30 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling

I have also heard of lowering one side of the upper A-arm.  I can't
remember whether it is the front or back bolt that is lowered and by how
much.  Anyone know the details?

Thanks,
Bob

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Thu Sep  2 17:36:01 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:36:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] What's a Tiger Worth?
Message-ID: <4C8034E1.3080201@socal.rr.com>

Listers,

Many listers have bought, sold, or lusted after a Tiger.  As a high end 
equipped car baseline, please send your market estimate for an example 
car to the List, so all may apply the information to their own 
situation, to buy, refurbish, or sell their own car.

    * 1965 Mk I Tiger - Never raced/wrecked/dented
    * TAC'd
    * Original California Car - hasn't left the state.
    * No "Bondo". No rust. No where!
    * Period correct American Silverstone mag wheels, as in the Ken
      Miles Tiger prototype.
    * Serviced by Ken Miles, Phil Hill, Dan Walters.
    * Still has original "Hollywood Sport Cars" license frame.
    * Recently Repainted with Original Factory Color in modern paint.
    * Factory Hard Top body color with new headliner and factory sun visors
    * Original seats and interior in great condition.
    * 260 V-8, original engine
    * Folding Top, original
    * Original Tool kit
    * Mk II transmission
    * LAT-1 4 barrel & Edelbrock High Rise
    * LAT-2 Air cleaner and aluminum "Tiger" valve covers (LAT-8)
    * LAT 5 weld-on Traction Masters
    * LAT 6,000 rpm tachometer
    * Smiths Ammeter
    * Smiths dash clock
    * Original Back-up Lights
    * Lucas Tri-pod headlights
    * Amber/red tail lights, front turn signals. (Euro Stock)
    * Original Remote Oil Filter M-6880-A50 and FL1A MotorCraft Filter
    * Motorsport Right Angle Filter oil filter adapter.
    * LAT-7/8" Traction Master Front Sway Bar
    * LAT-79 Fiberglass Hood (Bonnet)
    * Koni adjustable shocks on all wheels
    * AM/FM Stereo radio (not original, but fits like one)
    * All trim fasteners, snaps, etc. with limited load are polished
      stainless
    * High end silver car cover for sun, storage, or daily use. Close
      fitting and seems like nylon.  Mercedes Benz accessory manufacturer.

Uninstalled:

    * Original Armstrong Shocks
    * LAT-50 Dana Limited slip differential
    * Original Mk I Transmission
    * Original steel hood - fresh body color
    * Original Ford intake manifold
    * Original Ford 2 BBL carburettor

Yes, it's my car. I am trying to make sure my classic car insurance will 
cover theft or fire or totaled.
Besides, I would think the group value estimates will aid any owner 
contemplating a buy, upgrade, insurance, or sale would like a view on 
the list market value opinion. Item pricing would be appreciated by
Listers, so that they can "assemble" their own equipment for an estimate 
of their car.

Thanks,

Steve Laifman
/*http://tigersunited.com/*/

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 18:06:51 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:06:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What's a Tiger Worth?
In-Reply-To: <4C8034E1.3080201@socal.rr.com>
References: <4C8034E1.3080201@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTindn_kc7H21w6-NGSwdR9Z=cDV+j5VTtyF1nuZN@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

The NADA Classic Car value, High Retail is $60,500.

http://www.nadaguides.com/default.aspx?LI=1-22-1-5013-0-0-0&l=1&w=22&p=1&f=5014&y=1965&m=1335&d=5627&c=7&vi=87336&z=30120&da=1

>From your description I'd guess a bit more than that, even considering the
terrible economy.

Tom

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Many listers have bought, sold, or lusted after a Tiger.  As a high end
> equipped car baseline, please send your market estimate for an example
> car to the List, so all may apply the information to their own
> situation, to buy, refurbish, or sell their own car.
>
>    * 1965 Mk I Tiger - Never raced/wrecked/dented
>    * TAC'd
>    * Original California Car - hasn't left the state.
>    * No "Bondo". No rust. No where!
>    * Period correct American Silverstone mag wheels, as in the Ken
>      Miles Tiger prototype.
>    * Serviced by Ken Miles, Phil Hill, Dan Walters.
>    * Still has original "Hollywood Sport Cars" license frame.
>    * Recently Repainted with Original Factory Color in modern paint.
>    * Factory Hard Top body color with new headliner and factory sun visors
>    * Original seats and interior in great condition.
>    * 260 V-8, original engine
>    * Folding Top, original
>    * Original Tool kit
>    * Mk II transmission
>    * LAT-1 4 barrel & Edelbrock High Rise
>    * LAT-2 Air cleaner and aluminum "Tiger" valve covers (LAT-8)
>    * LAT 5 weld-on Traction Masters
>    * LAT 6,000 rpm tachometer
>    * Smiths Ammeter
>    * Smiths dash clock
>    * Original Back-up Lights
>    * Lucas Tri-pod headlights
>    * Amber/red tail lights, front turn signals. (Euro Stock)
>    * Original Remote Oil Filter M-6880-A50 and FL1A MotorCraft Filter
>    * Motorsport Right Angle Filter oil filter adapter.
>    * LAT-7/8" Traction Master Front Sway Bar
>    * LAT-79 Fiberglass Hood (Bonnet)
>    * Koni adjustable shocks on all wheels
>    * AM/FM Stereo radio (not original, but fits like one)
>    * All trim fasteners, snaps, etc. with limited load are polished
>      stainless
>    * High end silver car cover for sun, storage, or daily use. Close
>      fitting and seems like nylon.  Mercedes Benz accessory manufacturer.
>
> Uninstalled:
>
>    * Original Armstrong Shocks
>    * LAT-50 Dana Limited slip differential
>    * Original Mk I Transmission
>    * Original steel hood - fresh body color
>    * Original Ford intake manifold
>    * Original Ford 2 BBL carburettor
>
> Yes, it's my car. I am trying to make sure my classic car insurance will
> cover theft or fire or totaled.
> Besides, I would think the group value estimates will aid any owner
> contemplating a buy, upgrade, insurance, or sale would like a view on
> the list market value opinion. Item pricing would be appreciated by
> Listers, so that they can "assemble" their own equipment for an estimate
> of their car.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Laifman
> /*http://tigersunited.com/*/
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From mgman71 at comcast.net  Thu Sep  2 18:14:11 2010
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:14:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Caliper rebuild ?
Message-ID: <1960001582.229704.1283472851089.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I am rebuilding my calipers but am having trouble getting the dust seal (cover ) in 
what is the correct order to rebuild them and is there any tricks to get the dust seal in. 


Thanks 
george 

From scattt at verizon.net  Thu Sep  2 19:42:51 2010
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:42:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine
References: <93899.2647.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAF1433831B946BCAC3EFF77A1FFF779@homef2683adebd>

If I remember correctly this same engine was licensed to American Motors 
about 66/68 and was cast in iron. They used in the CJ-5 Jeeps!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:34 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine


>
> "Gary is technically correct.  The rover v8 started out as the olds 215
> rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known
> as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8.  So the basis is actually american
> with english modifications over the years/"
>
> Not many know that Jack Brabham used the engine as a basis for his team's 
> two
> F1 world championship engines in 1966 and 1967.  Brabham hired Repco of
> Australia to modify the block and install single overhead cam heads on the
> Oldsmobile block.  Here is a link and about half way down is the 
> discussion on
> the Oldsmobile engine block.
>
> http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx
>
>                                              Jeff
>
>
> http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu Sep  2 20:01:43 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:01:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TU 2011
Message-ID: <4B405D58CEF6429B85C6F817AFA77C17@your4dacd0ea75>

As many of you already know, the 2011 TU will be held in Long Beach,
California, June 16-19th. (TUXXXIII)

The Queen Mary will be the host hotel and reservations are now being taken.
Our entire block has already been reserved but we've been able to arrange with
the hotel to have more rooms added to our block, while keeping our special
rate ($125/night for a Deluxe Stateroom). This will not be extended
indefinitely.

I apologize to those who tried to reserve a room but were refused when the
block filled. If you still have a problem, please contact me off list.

thanks,

Buck Trippel

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep  2 20:56:32 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:56:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Caliper rebuild ?
In-Reply-To: <1960001582.229704.1283472851089.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B881AEA86D124A47A75F7547715E9E36@ronpc1>

George
	the dust seal groove needs to be very clean and very dry to get that
seal in correctly.   Yes it can be tricky getting that seal in and correctly
seated.

I install the piston seal, then the dust seal, lube the seals with brake
fluid then install the piston.

Hope that helps

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of George Re
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:14 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Caliper rebuild ?


I am rebuilding my calipers but am having trouble getting the dust seal
(cover ) in
what is the correct order to rebuild them and is there any tricks to get the
dust seal in.


Thanks
george

From rande at thecia.net  Fri Sep  3 06:17:58 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:17:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the Buick 215
Message-ID: <4c80e776.4e3a.0@thecia.net>

Hi,
A couple of things about the discussion about the 215 CID GM V8. A lot of this
user group talk references the motor as an Oldsmobile brand, for some reason.
If anyone has any knowledge about what visual aspects separated a early 1960's
Buick motor from the other GM brands, they would not make this error. Buick
motors were characterized by having the rocker covers on the same plain. i.e.
facing straight up, not angled away from each other, as SBF and other GM brands
looked. The 215 CID was decidedly a Buick design shared initially with another
GM compact, the F-85. I'm not sure about the early Tempests, but the 1963 version
used a Pontiac 326, while 1963 was the last for the Buick Special/Skylark(the
compact)using the 215 V8. The GM compacts all switched to different motors unique
to each brand, and Chevelle was also added, for 1964 when the redesigned A Body(Olds
442, GTO, Malibu, Skylark) was introduced. If you don't have early Buick Special
picture to compare, look at a photo of an early Morgan Plus 8 motor.

The aluminum 215 V8 garnered a bad reputation shortly after its introduction,
for aluminum scraps ending up in the crankcase and cooling system. This, connected
to the fact that GM hated the added expense of producing an aluminum motor,
explains why GM only used this motor for three model years. In 1963, my dad
was shopping for a new car for my mom, and looked(and liked) the Buick Special.
But a Consumer Reports article really discouraged him from getting a car with
that motor, and he ended up moving upscale to a fullsize Buick with cast iron
401 CID.

Land Rover WAS the last manufacturer to use a variation of this motor, on the
Discovery model, but dumped it around 2005, when the LR3 replaced the Discovery.
The LR3 started using a Jaguar 4.4 litre V8, and IIRC, the current model series
Range Rover uses a BMW V8.

The Brits clearly did nearly the lions share of the development work on the
Buick small V8. Five years ago, a Land Rover engineer, at an auto show, told
me that if you were to place the then-current 4.2 litre version next to the
original 3.5 litre(215), you'd be hard pressed to find any similarities.

RB

From rande at thecia.net  Fri Sep  3 06:50:55 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:50:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 215 V8 and AMC
Message-ID: <4c80ef2f.532c.0@thecia.net>

There is something about the CJ-5 and a Buick motor that I remember reading
about, but can't verify.

As for the AMC connection, I think the motors that AMC used (the 290 and 343
in the years 1966 and 1967) were of their own design.
1966 was the first year you could get a Rambler American, their compact, with
a V8. I had summer job in 1966 at the AMC dealer in San Fernando(San Fernando
Road). I applied to wash cars, they asked if I would like to SELL cars (can
you spell Demo), and what do you think I said.

A V8 compact American was such a big deal to this dealer that they campaigned
a Rogue hardtop with a 290 V8 four speed at San Fernando drags( long gone),
and driven by one of the dealership technicians. So, I remember the AMC V8's.


And demos? Would you believe they entrusted an 18 year old kid with among other
things, a '65 Mustang 2+2 289 four speed, a '58 Continental, a '64 Thunderbird
convertible( black with black vinyl interior, black top, no A/C, in August.
There's a reason why L.A. people buy white cars and tint the windows).

RB

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Fri Sep  3 06:53:51 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the Buick 215
In-Reply-To: <4c80e776.4e3a.0@thecia.net>
References: <4c80e776.4e3a.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <4C80EFDF.8000109@cs.com>

  Back in the 60's, we called this engine the "BOP" aluminum V-8 (Buick, 
Olds, Pontiac).  When I was in high school, one of my buddies and I put 
one in a Morris Minor (the wood-trimmed wagon model).  It looked great 
and was quite the sleeper.  Not sure where that car ever ended up!

-Randy

On 9/3/2010 8:17 AM, rande wrote:
> Hi,
> A couple of things about the discussion about the 215 CID GM V8. A lot of this
> user group talk references the motor as an Oldsmobile brand, for some reason.
> If anyone has any knowledge about what visual aspects separated a early 1960's
> Buick motor from the other GM brands, they would not make this error. Buick
> motors were characterized by having the rocker covers on the same plain. i.e.
> facing straight up, not angled away from each other, as SBF and other GM brands
> looked. The 215 CID was decidedly a Buick design shared initially with another
> GM compact, the F-85. I'm not sure about the early Tempests, but the 1963 version
> used a Pontiac 326, while 1963 was the last for the Buick Special/Skylark(the
> compact)using the 215 V8. The GM compacts all switched to different motors unique
> to each brand, and Chevelle was also added, for 1964 when the redesigned A Body(Olds
> 442, GTO, Malibu, Skylark) was introduced. If you don't have early Buick Special
> picture to compare, look at a photo of an early Morgan Plus 8 motor.
>
> The aluminum 215 V8 garnered a bad reputation shortly after its introduction,
> for aluminum scraps ending up in the crankcase and cooling system. This, connected
> to the fact that GM hated the added expense of producing an aluminum motor,
> explains why GM only used this motor for three model years. In 1963, my dad
> was shopping for a new car for my mom, and looked(and liked) the Buick Special.
> But a Consumer Reports article really discouraged him from getting a car with
> that motor, and he ended up moving upscale to a fullsize Buick with cast iron
> 401 CID.
>
> Land Rover WAS the last manufacturer to use a variation of this motor, on the
> Discovery model, but dumped it around 2005, when the LR3 replaced the Discovery.
> The LR3 started using a Jaguar 4.4 litre V8, and IIRC, the current model series
> Range Rover uses a BMW V8.
>
> The Brits clearly did nearly the lions share of the development work on the
> Buick small V8. Five years ago, a Land Rover engineer, at an auto show, told
> me that if you were to place the then-current 4.2 litre version next to the
> original 3.5 litre(215), you'd be hard pressed to find any similarities.
>
> RB

-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Fri Sep  3 07:00:14 2010
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:00:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings
Message-ID: <453316568.246224.1283518814258.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I have been looking for the torque for the bolts on the calipers ( the bolts that hold them together) and have not found them does anyone know the the setting are? 
Thanks Again 

George 

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  3 07:31:11 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 06:31:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine
In-Reply-To: <CAF1433831B946BCAC3EFF77A1FFF779@homef2683adebd>
Message-ID: <359087.13164.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     This engine was also used in the MGB-GT.  The Stromberg carbs were
terrible.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Scattt <scattt at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Scattt <scattt at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine
To: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>, Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 9:42 PM


If I remember correctly this same engine was licensed to American Motors about
66/68 and was cast in iron. They used in the CJ-5 Jeeps!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Nichols"
<jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:34 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine


>
> "Gary is technically correct.  The rover v8 started out as the olds 215
> rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known
> as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8.  So the basis is actually american
> with english modifications over the years/"
>
> Not many know that Jack Brabham used the engine as a basis for his team's
two
> F1 world championship engines in 1966 and 1967.  Brabham hired Repco of
> Australia to modify the block and install single overhead cam heads on the
> Oldsmobile block.  Here is a link and about half way down is the discussion
on
> the Oldsmobile engine block.
>
> http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx
>
>                                              Jeff
>
>
> http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx
> _______________________________________________
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From gabbardalex at att.net  Fri Sep  3 07:48:38 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 06:48:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] the Buick-Pontiac-Olds 215
In-Reply-To: <4c80e776.4e3a.0@thecia.net>
References: <4c80e776.4e3a.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <828968.88717.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

________________________________

About the Buick-Pontiac-Olds 215
The engine
remains a milestone in American automotive technology in that it was
the first all-aluminum V8 designed specifically for volume production and
established itself well in the market, becoming the basis of an F-1 champion
and 
many other applications domestic and foreign due to its favorable power
to 
weight ratio and performance potential. The Buick engine was a much scaled
down 
variant of the supercharged, hemi piston Le Sabre/XP-300 show cars of
the 
time. I owned a 1962 F-85 with the Olds engine and remain impressed with
its 
reliability and performance, no doubt the reason the engine remained in
production as long as it did. 

The engine's history: the block and internals
were initially designed by Buick 
engineers but Olds engineers designed their
own heads, valve train and pistons, 
giving their block and head design a 6
bolt pattern around each combustion 
chamber rather than 5 as in the Buick
design, illustrating that, at that time 
(1960-61), each GM division had
considerable autonomy in designing its products. 
Consequently, the Olds 215
is different from the Buick-Pontiac engine, stronger 
and more powerful, and
was the basis of Brabham's Repco built F-1 World 
Champion. 

Torque of the
Olds 215 introduced in 1961 delivered 220 lb-ft versus Buick's 
210, 155 hp vs
Buick's 150, largely due to Olds using flat-top pistons while 
Buick used
dished pistons. The Buick powered Mickey Thompson's Indy 500 entries 
in the
early 1960s as challengers to Ford's 260 based Lotus-Ford that
revolutionized Brickyard entries from traditional roadsters to rear engine
layouts. (See my book Indy's Wildest Decade)

Alex Gabbard

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Sep  3 07:48:46 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:48:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings
In-Reply-To: <453316568.246224.1283518814258.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16A97C6FE6C4456584D191B8F793D48E@ronpc1>

George
	The torque numbers are listed in the Shop Manual Section K.

Inner - 60 lb ft

Outer - 45 lb ft

Seems contrary that the Manual states to never separate the caliper and then
give you the torque settings for the bolts.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of George Re
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:00 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings


I have been looking for the torque for the bolts on the calipers ( the bolts
that hold them together) and have not found them does anyone know the the
setting are?
Thanks Again

George
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Fri Sep  3 08:07:19 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 7:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question.
In-Reply-To: <20100902115857.MYKN0.713974.imail@fed1rmwml44>
Message-ID: <20100903100719.D56IU.718547.imail@fed1rmwml36>

I received a very concise answer privately.

>From the factory the throttle mount was under the carpet and the throttle stop was on top.

Thank you to all.

Erich
---- e.coiner at cox.net wrote: 
> A silly question.
> 
> Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it?
> I talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3 screws.
> 
> Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny hump.
> 
> Erich

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Fri Sep  3 15:36:37 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:36:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] "My Father's" Oldsmobile Engine
In-Reply-To: <93899.2647.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <93899.2647.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C816A65.6090208@socal.rr.com>

Tigers,

I am very familiar with the "Olds V-8", however this is the red 1949 
Oldsmobile 88 convertible my father owned, and let me drive.  It had the 
"Rocket V-8 engine".   This was from the higher compression version of 
the "98 series and the "light weight (4,000 Lbs) 303 CID for $2300, with 
the optional high compression version. It sported a red 
body/upholstery.  It was proclaimed the NASCAR Crown and Mexican Road 
Race class wins.

With  four wheel coil springs, the car leaped up and forward under 
acceleration.

Well, when I was driving it, I had a "Stop Light Grand Prix".  Even with 
the 4 spd Hydramatic, I thought it was slow off the line.  Soooo I 
revved up the engine in neutral, and when the stop light turned green I 
dumped it into "Low".  I saw the competition's disappearing tail lights, 
and heard a large "thump".

Well, I had broken both sets of u-joints, and the drive shaft was lying 
in the road.  Had it towed to the Olds dealer, and he replaced all "U" 
joints and drive shaft.  I told my father that a part failed (and not why).

That's when I learned to rev the engine in low with the brakes on, then 
let it go.  And it surely went.  I learned 2 lessons. Don't dump the 
engine into gear. Don't get caught telling your father a lie.  He didn't 
catch me, but I felt really bad about it.

(See the story at "My Life With Cars".  Have your sound on for the great 
music,  The other pages have interesting stories as well.

/http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman2.asp
/

From Carmods at aol.com  Sat Sep  4 07:04:36 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:04:36 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Need a Tiger Rotisserie Drawing
Message-ID: <7ff6.5447e66c.39b39de4@aol.com>

Art Bonsignore has retired and wants to build a rotisserie  for his Tiger. 
Does anyone have a drawing of a good one that he could use?
 
 
 
John Logan

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Sep  4 15:47:12 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:47:12 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
Message-ID: <2008fd.24674909.39b41860@aol.com>

I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and  kept noticing ads 
for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under  $1,400.  Has anyone 
tried adapting one to a Tiger?
Mark L

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Sat Sep  4 16:27:35 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 15:27:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
References: <2008fd.24674909.39b41860@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00D6B13E3F0B4BF0925813056577552D@your4dacd0ea75>

Several years ago, I had a long chat about putting a Mustang II front 
suspension in a Tiger with Brent, the owner of Fat Man Fabrications which is 
one of the largest companies specializing in Mustang II front ends. They 
have dozens of kits for many applications. (see 
http://www.fatmanfab.com/index.htm )

Brent is a mechanical engineer and really understands the Mustang II 
suspension. In the small world department, Brent owned a sports car repair 
business prior to founding Fat Man. He worked on Tigers and Alpines. He's 
not a stranger to Sunbeam.

Twice he's tried to put the Mustang II front suspension into different 
Tigers and twice he failed. He's come to the conclusion that it can't be 
done properly.

Then a little over a year ago Dale A. tried the same task and he came up 
with the same conclusion that Brent had: It can't be done properly in a 
Tiger. This lead Dale to start with a clean sheet of paper which lead to his 
new suspension that Rob G wrote about a week or so ago.

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion


>I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and  kept noticing ads
> for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under  $1,400.  Has 
> anyone
> tried adapting one to a Tiger?
> Mark L
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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 16:31:55 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:31:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Need a Tiger Rotisserie Drawing
In-Reply-To: <7ff6.5447e66c.39b39de4@aol.com>
References: <7ff6.5447e66c.39b39de4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00A7E591-23F9-4DAC-A227-D7C4EC820523@gmail.com>

Hi John. I don't have a special rotisserie design for sunbeams... But I
thought I'd mention that as far as rotisseries go, the "autotwirler" is
available I think for about 900 unpainted/not powder coated. I have tried to
build one just like my friends auto twirler and you almost can't buy the
material alone for that, if you consider the heavy duty casters, and the spit
itself is fully adjustable in each direction. Of course I built mine for my
tiger as well but I can't say it's anything special or unique to tigers.. It
had a first gen mustang on it prior to the tiger.

Anyway... Just a thought. Good luck!
Cullen




Sent from my mobile...

On Sep 4, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Carmods at aol.com wrote:

> Art Bonsignore has retired and wants to build a rotisserie  for his Tiger.
> Does anyone have a drawing of a good one that he could use?
>
>
>
> John Logan
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From hokey at oasisol.com  Sat Sep  4 16:50:12 2010
From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:50:12 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
References: <2008fd.24674909.39b41860@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101cb4c83$889e8cf0$0a020a0a@iggy>

I initially conceived and designed a complete custom front suspension back in
late 2005/early 2006 that would bolt in the Tiger shell (story about the
project can be read at Toyzjunkie.com).  There is a lot more to the project
than what one can imagine.  I spent a large amount of time, money and effort
to design and build the crossmember and associated parts.  Several pieces to a
Mustang II setup need to be relocated and cannot be used due to control arm
length, steering rack location that will accommodate the small block Ford,
control arm inboard pickup points, etc.  The list of changes goes on and on.
The Tiger's shell doesn't allow much room to deal with massive changes and I
did not want to design the setup that would alter the car (no welding, cutting
or drilling).  Our project was configured  years ago and I have a couple
generations of the project in different form.  It has been highly sought after
and demand has been high, creating a backlog that I've been working through
even to this day.  One individual insisted that his namesake allow him to jump
the line and obtain one immediately, but I would not allow that.  Then a
couple of Tiger-specific restorers pressured me to release the jigs, fixtures,
cad drawings, patterns and have me relinquish the project to be controlled in
the Southern California area.  Shortly after I denied to allow that to happen
in late 2008, the design was copied, claimed to be new and has surfaced in a
very similar form to what I designed years earlier.  So, to answer your
initial question, no.  It was easier to design and build a new setup that fit
the car and have a setup that is fully adjustable for infinite/quick alignment
changes.

Mike Hokanson
Northern Nevada
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:47 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion



  I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and  kept noticing ads
  for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under  $1,400.  Has anyone
  tried adapting one to a Tiger?
  Mark L
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Sep  4 17:34:05 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 19:34:05 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
Message-ID: <203945.2e7631a4.39b4316d@aol.com>

Thank you. That answers that  question.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 9/4/2010 6:27:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
BuckTrippel at Verizon.net writes:

Several  years ago, I had a long chat about putting a Mustang II front 
suspension  in a Tiger with Brent, the owner of Fat Man Fabrications which 
is 
one of  the largest companies specializing in Mustang II front ends. They 
have  dozens of kits for many applications. (see  
http://www.fatmanfab.com/index.htm )

Brent is a mechanical engineer  and really understands the Mustang II 
suspension. In the small world  department, Brent owned a sports car repair 
business prior to founding Fat  Man. He worked on Tigers and Alpines. He's 
not a stranger to  Sunbeam.

Twice he's tried to put the Mustang II front suspension into  different 
Tigers and twice he failed. He's come to the conclusion that it  can't be 
done properly.

Then a little over a year ago Dale A. tried  the same task and he came up 
with the same conclusion that Brent had: It  can't be done properly in a 
Tiger. This lead Dale to start with a clean  sheet of paper which lead to 
his 
new suspension that Rob G wrote about a  week or so ago.

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message -----  
From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent:  Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack  conversion


>I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today  and  kept noticing ads
> for Mustang II complete front end  assemblies for under  $1,400.  Has 
> anyone
> tried  adapting one to a Tiger?
> Mark L
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Sat Sep  4 17:41:59 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:41:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
References: <2008fd.24674909.39b41860@aol.com>
	<001101cb4c83$889e8cf0$0a020a0a@iggy>
Message-ID: <D821DE9792D341488DB32D00B7D10503@your4dacd0ea75>

Mike,
I'm confused. You wrote to the list you about 2 years ago that you were 
ending your crossmember project.

Are you taking orders again?

Buck Trippel


On Nov 16, 2008 Mike Hokanson wrote:
I've rec'd e-mail concerning the rumor from a couple of Tiger owners that I
might be ceasing the fabrication of the custom IFS units that bolt into the
Tiger.  Yes, the rumor is true.  Due to my other projects and upcoming
priorities, it appears I will shut down the project here in the very near
future.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Hokanson" <hokey at oasisol.com>
To: <CoolVT at aol.com>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion


>I initially conceived and designed a complete custom front suspension back 
>in
> late 2005/early 2006 that would bolt in the Tiger shell (story about the
> project can be read at Toyzjunkie.com).  There is a lot more to the 
> project
> than what one can imagine.  I spent a large amount of time, money and 
> effort
> to design and build the crossmember and associated parts.  Several pieces 
> to a
> Mustang II setup need to be relocated and cannot be used due to control 
> arm
> length, steering rack location that will accommodate the small block Ford,
> control arm inboard pickup points, etc.  The list of changes goes on and 
> on.
> The Tiger's shell doesn't allow much room to deal with massive changes and 
> I
> did not want to design the setup that would alter the car (no welding, 
> cutting
> or drilling).  Our project was configured  years ago and I have a couple
> generations of the project in different form.  It has been highly sought 
> after
> and demand has been high, creating a backlog that I've been working 
> through
> even to this day.  One individual insisted that his namesake allow him to 
> jump
> the line and obtain one immediately, but I would not allow that.  Then a
> couple of Tiger-specific restorers pressured me to release the jigs, 
> fixtures,
> cad drawings, patterns and have me relinquish the project to be controlled 
> in
> the Southern California area.  Shortly after I denied to allow that to 
> happen
> in late 2008, the design was copied, claimed to be new and has surfaced in 
> a
> very similar form to what I designed years earlier.  So, to answer your
> initial question, no.  It was easier to design and build a new setup that 
> fit
> the car and have a setup that is fully adjustable for infinite/quick 
> alignment
> changes.
>
> Mike Hokanson
> Northern Nevada
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: CoolVT at aol.com
>  To: tigers at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:47 PM
>  Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
>
>
>
>  I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and  kept noticing ads
>  for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under  $1,400.  Has 
> anyone
>  tried adapting one to a Tiger?
>  Mark L
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From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Sun Sep  5 09:02:41 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator question
Message-ID: <4C83B111.6060906@cs.com>

  I've been researching an alternator upgrade for my car.  I've tried to 
read all the archives and articles and I've re-read the article in 3/09 
Classic Motorsports Mag.  I really like the idea of using a small, 
55amp, 3-wire Denso.  Here's my question.  When I try to source this 
smaller Denso, it appears that I need to get into the early 90's cars 
(Geo and Toyota), but these all come with multi-groove pulleys.  If I go 
back into the early 80's, I can get a single "V" groove pulley, but the 
alternator has a bit larger case.  I'm certain there is a V-groove 
pulley for this smaller style alternator (they also seem to use them on 
tractors, etc.), but I'm having trouble tracking it down.  Has anyone 
solved this problem?  Anyone have a part number for the small Denso with 
the correct pulley or a source for a V-groove pulley that fits the 
alternator?

Thanks- Randy
-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Sep  5 09:28:15 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:28:15 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator question
In-Reply-To: <4C83B111.6060906@cs.com>
References: <4C83B111.6060906@cs.com>
Message-ID: <C13497BA975443008141D3B77E090A06@DavePC>

Randy:

One of the most popular alternators for hot rodded cars around here is the 
Delco unit for the 1965 Corvette high-output (62 amp) unit that can be used 
as a 1 or 3-wire hook-up, your choice. They are so popular that most 
automotive electric shops carry them in-stock. Mine cost me $72 after a $40 
core refund when I turned in my old one a couple of months ago. (Then you 
can rightfully attend gatherings of all of the "Big 3", as well as Brit Car 
meets, having parts from Ford, Chrysler and GM aboard!)
Dave



Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 12:02 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator question


>  I've been researching an alternator upgrade for my car.  I've tried to
> read all the archives and articles and I've re-read the article in 3/09
> Classic Motorsports Mag.  I really like the idea of using a small,
> 55amp, 3-wire Denso.  Here's my question.  When I try to source this
> smaller Denso, it appears that I need to get into the early 90's cars
> (Geo and Toyota), but these all come with multi-groove pulleys.  If I go
> back into the early 80's, I can get a single "V" groove pulley, but the
> alternator has a bit larger case.  I'm certain there is a V-groove
> pulley for this smaller style alternator (they also seem to use them on
> tractors, etc.), but I'm having trouble tracking it down.  Has anyone
> solved this problem?  Anyone have a part number for the small Denso with
> the correct pulley or a source for a V-groove pulley that fits the
> alternator?
>
> Thanks- Randy

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Sep  5 09:48:16 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:48:16 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator question
Message-ID: <40824.2e9270ed.39b515c0@aol.com>

Randy,
A small one is Denso #210-0107. It's designed for the  Toyota 4 Runner, has 
V-belt and is 60 amps.
 
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 9/5/2010 11:18:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
RSSmithIQ at cs.com writes:

I've been researching an alternator upgrade for my car.  I've tried to  
read all the archives and articles and I've re-read the article in 3/09  
Classic Motorsports Mag.  I really like the idea of using a small,  
55amp, 3-wire Denso.  Here's my question.  When I try to source  this 
smaller Denso, it appears that I need to get into the early 90's cars  
(Geo and Toyota), but these all come with multi-groove pulleys.  If I  go 
back into the early 80's, I can get a single "V" groove pulley, but the  
alternator has a bit larger case.  I'm certain there is a V-groove  
pulley for this smaller style alternator (they also seem to use them on  
tractors, etc.), but I'm having trouble tracking it down.  Has anyone  
solved this problem?  Anyone have a part number for the small Denso  with 
the correct pulley or a source for a V-groove pulley that fits the  
alternator?

Thanks- Randy
-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST,  Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA   20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253  fax

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RSSmithIQ at cs.com
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Sep  5 21:23:55 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:23:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
References: <2008fd.24674909.39b41860@aol.com>
	<001101cb4c83$889e8cf0$0a020a0a@iggy>
Message-ID: <8AF8655BF3804DEB95425DED052EAE83@student2>

There was an Alpine (Alger) at the Knott's Ford show that had a Volvo 
crossmember (142/144 ???) adapted to it.  I don't know all that was 
involved, but the guy was happy with the performance.  Having owned a 544 
(and knowing Volvo never changed stuff much) I can attest that the setup 
looks quite similar to the Sunbeam.

>  I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and  kept noticing ads
>  for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under  $1,400.  Has 
> anyone
>  tried adapting one to a Tiger?
>  Mark L

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  6 07:16:32 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 06:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.45530.1283701668.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion?

http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm

Stephen Waybright

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 07:37:27 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:37:27 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.45530.1283701668.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ff+nojx3M1KieM3dUb4s=dBM+scoJhSmr17ZV@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

I'm not sure of the specifics of "what" caused this car to be outed.. but it
apparently was accepted as a Tiger and won some awards for the quality of
workmanship on it.. before it was either discovered, or uncovered that at
some point it has either had its VIn swapped to another bosy (not of tiger
origins) or was repaired in such a way that removed the evidence of the
rootes modifications to create a Tiger.. perhaps one of the people who know
the full story might disclose it.. but the car features on norms site.. so
maybe contact him

On 6 September 2010 23:16, Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a
> conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and
> pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a
> conversion?
>
> http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm
>
> Stephen Waybright
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Michael King

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 07:58:45 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:58:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.45530.1283701668.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinKH=GG3mU_ekQniecZgKkTDB3BtV1to-Ota43Q@mail.gmail.com>

Stephen,

Absent a TAC inspection we probably can't determine its origin. The one
thing that stands out is the serial number. The 10 digit number is in the
Tiger 1966 range, but the plate says its right hand drive (RXFE), which it
clearly isn't. It could've been converted from right hand drive to left hand
drive, of course.

Tom
' 67 Mark 2 undergoing reconstruction

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a
> conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and
> pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a
> conversion?
>
> http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm
>
> Stephen Waybright
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  6 08:21:52 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 07:21:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ff+nojx3M1KieM3dUb4s=dBM+scoJhSmr17ZV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <185524.85133.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve and Mike- to the best of my memory, which is not anything dependable, it seems the original ALGER tag was attached from information from Norm and his collection of information. I may be wrong, so I apologize NOW in case I have said something untrue. It just what I recall and again, I wouldn't bet the farm unless I had it saved in a file etc etc.
regards, TonytheTiger (Tony Lang)


?
>
> http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm
>
> Stephen Waybright
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Mon Sep  6 09:07:52 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:07:52 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
Message-ID: <a171f.4a39b2d8.39b65dc8@aol.com>

I asked the seller a question pertaining to the VIN plate being from a MKIA 
 on what he calls a "conversion". He said the decision was made when the 
car was  restored to use the MKIA VIN plate.
 
So how could it be a conversion? I think he meant "conversion" to be  
defined as any change to the original stock-equipped car. I don't think he meant  
it in the sense that we usually mean, i.e., a V-6 conversion.
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 9/6/2010 9:32:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gswaybright at yahoo.com writes:

Can  anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a 
conversion  (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and pieces, 
so what  is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a  
conversion?

http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm

Stephen  Waybright
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 09:42:08 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:42:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
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Going back to a previous thread, does that mean he switched VIN plates with
another car?

Tom

(If the plate's correct, he did "convert" the car... from right hand drive
to left hand drive.)

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <FHSLOTH13 at aol.com> wrote:

> I asked the seller a question pertaining to the VIN plate being from a MKIA
>  on what he calls a "conversion". He said the decision was made when the
> car was  restored to use the MKIA VIN plate.
>
> So how could it be a conversion? I think he meant "conversion" to be
> defined as any change to the original stock-equipped car. I don't think he
> meant
> it in the sense that we usually mean, i.e., a V-6 conversion.
>
> Fred Baum
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/2010 9:32:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> gswaybright at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Can  anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a
> conversion  (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and
> pieces,
> so what  is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a
> conversion?
>
> http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm
>
> Stephen  Waybright
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  6 09:49:26 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 08:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] The "alger"
Message-ID: <33514.58454.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It is being touted as an "ALger" because Norm says so...even tho he has never
seen it or inspected it....the self appointed expert has declared another car
he has never seen an Alger...he did that years ago to Dr. Steve Jaffe in
Florida....It was a real Tiger as I know the car for many years...Steve still
has it and would like to sell it but can't because Norm labelled it as a
"possible convereson"   If you doubt me ask Steve (who owns several Tigers and
Alpines and never has owned a Clone car.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Sep  6 10:21:15 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CD0BC71BD96446C29E1954EE2FEF77A7@ronpc1>

Steve 
	This car is listed on Norm's web site in Alger Alley.
http://www.rootes1.com/

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:17 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?


Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a
conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and
pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a
conversion?

http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm

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From twotigers at verizon.net  Mon Sep  6 10:23:45 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:23:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
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Tom, 		

You missed the 'L' in LRXFE.  It's a left hand drive car (or, at least, VIN
plate) ...

Kirk

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:59 AM
To: Stephen Waybright
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?

Stephen,

Absent a TAC inspection we probably can't determine its origin. The one
thing that stands out is the serial number. The 10 digit number is in the
Tiger 1966 range, but the plate says its right hand drive (RXFE), which it
clearly isn't. It could've been converted from right hand drive to left hand
drive, of course.

Tom
' 67 Mark 2 undergoing reconstruction

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Stephen Waybright
<gswaybright at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a
> conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and
> pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as
a
> conversion?
>
> http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm
>
> Stephen Waybright
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep  6 11:59:03 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Flowers for the "alger"non
Message-ID: <56A23E91FE65460C8ADA2B69F5F27011@jeffnicholsPC>

"It is being touted as an "ALger" because Norm says so...even tho he has
never

seen it or inspected it....the self appointed expert has declared another
car

he has never seen an Alger...he did that years ago to Dr. Steve Jaffe in

Florida....It was a real Tiger as I know the car for many years...Steve
still

has it and would like to sell it but can't because Norm labelled it as a

"possible convereson" "

 

In both cases you mention there is a very easy way to solve the issue of
possible fakery.  Have both cars go through a TAC inspection.  Norm most
likely has info that both cars can't pass a TAC like inspection.  That
explains why he doubts the cars authenticity even though he has never seen
them.  In the early 1980's I watched as a Tiger was going through the
process of being "restored".  The Tiger was very rusty and the donor Alpine
was very solid and rust free.  Many months later, there was a very nice
looking Tiger and a pile of rusted out body parts along with a hacked up
Alpine/Tiger chassis.  I have no doubt that the owner was sure he now had a
"real" Tiger and its been a Tiger for many years.

 

 

                                                                 Jeff

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 12:50:56 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:50:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Flowers for the "alger"non
In-Reply-To: <56A23E91FE65460C8ADA2B69F5F27011@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <56A23E91FE65460C8ADA2B69F5F27011@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <B34B5D1C-4A37-4572-AC54-848DF399D5C9@gmail.com>

> ".....Many months later, there was a very nice looking Tiger and a pile of
rusted out body parts along with a hacked up
> Alpine/Tiger chassis.  ......"

Using this car as an example.....And I know this is semantics.... But it makes
a difference to me. I pose this critical question... One that no one seems to
be able to answer. Were tiger pieces put on an alpine... Or were alpine pieces
put on a tiger? ( hypothetically)

Anyone reading this list who had replaced a rocker panel or a floor board is
involved in my question. No one is safe from it, and no one is exempt if any
piece if metal was replaced on your body tub... Even one the size of a silver
dollar, so I say politely... Don't turn the other cheek because you think it
doesn't apply to you.

The only ones that can even possibly remove themselves from this scenario are
the owners who's car was so pristine for it's entire life that it never had
any metal work done. Mind you that if the car was famous like one of the
lemans race cars or the hsc, no one raises an eyebrow if extensive metal work
was done to save it.... But if some guy in his garage has to put alpine
quarters on his tiger cause it was rear ended... Not only is his car tainted
and now the bastard child of the community...but it's susceptible to scrutiny
as a legit factory tiger. Be not mislead... I dont doubt my car but I can
certainly see the potential for labeling problems to arise due to self
appointed judges and decision making. Not referring to Norm... I have never
known him to do anything but contribute good things for the community, but I
also don't know him very well. I am just posing the question. A misguided
stigma can be a terrible thing to overcome. I hope the cars in question are
correctly judged... It would be a travesty if not. Obviously this is the
purpose of the TAC process... I haven't had my car tac'd yet... But when I
do... It better work for me or I'll be very angry. My vin plate has never been
off the car...but the front inner and outer fender has. If some tells me that
issue is enough to  flaw my car as a tiger, and I tried to sell it and was
labeled as a forgery.... I would be..... Hard to deal with.... And the process
would have failed...

Food for thought. Respond to the question if you can...   ;)

All in good fun guys...just messin...
>
Cullen
Alpine 260
B382001452 LROFE...

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Sep  6 13:21:09 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:21:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Need a Tiger Rotisserie Drawing
In-Reply-To: <7ff6.5447e66c.39b39de4@aol.com>
References: <7ff6.5447e66c.39b39de4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C853F25.5060600@socal.rr.com>

John,

I don't know if you received the Tiger Rotisserie info you want, but 
here is one, newly built, by All-New Pacific Wheel.  It is well lighted 
for close-up work, and can actually handle more than one Tiger at a time!
*
http://www.pacpark.com/rides_wheelvid1.php?location=rides&navheight=short 
<http://www.pacpark.com/rides_wheelvid1.php?location=rides&navheight=long>*

It is probably a bit pricey, but wouldn't everyone actually want this in 
the back yard?  It is well lit for night work, as well.

Glad to be of help.



Steve Laifman
*TigersUnited.com <http://www.tigersunited.com>*

Carmods at aol.com wrote:
> Art Bonsignore has retired and wants to build a rotisserie  for his Tiger. 
> Does anyone have a drawing of a good one that he could use?
>  
>  
>  
> John Logan
> _______________________________________________

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Sep  6 13:29:04 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:29:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Need a Tiger Rotisserie Drawing
In-Reply-To: <4C853F25.5060600@socal.rr.com>
References: <7ff6.5447e66c.39b39de4@aol.com> <4C853F25.5060600@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C854100.3060207@socal.rr.com>

John,

Found an even better LIVE cam view.  Pick a time to watch during 
daylight hours, Pacific Daylight Time (PDT)
*
http://www.pacpark.com/webcam.php?location=webcam*

Steve Laifman wrote:
> John,
>
> I don't know if you received the Tiger Rotisserie info you want, but 
> here is one, newly built, by All-New Pacific Wheel.  It is well 
> lighted for close-up work, and can actually handle more than one Tiger 
> at a time!
> *
> http://www.pacpark.com/rides_wheelvid1.php?location=rides&navheight=short 
> <http://www.pacpark.com/rides_wheelvid1.php?location=rides&navheight=long>*
>
> It is probably a bit pricey, but wouldn't everyone actually want this 
> in the back yard?  It is well lit for night work, as well.
>
> Glad to be of help.
>
>
>
> Steve Laifman
> *TigersUnited.com <http://www.tigersunited.com>*
>
> Carmods at aol.com wrote:
>> Art Bonsignore has retired and wants to build a rotisserie  for his Tiger. 
>> Does anyone have a drawing of a good one that he could use?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> John Logan
>> _______________________________________________

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Sep  6 15:08:16 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:08:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] "Alger" #26
Message-ID: <4c855840.2b13.0@thecia.net>

1, This car has been discussed previously and recently on the list. I agree
that, looking at the photos from the dealer, it looks like a genuine Tiger.
So, have someone local inspect the car that knows what they're doing, if you're
interested in this 
Tiger, and not confident that you can tell.

2. The car is for sale in Pleasanton,Calif. Students, who can tell me why that's
significant? Correct, Scotty, that's where the Mother Church for TAC is. There's
probably more TAC inspectors within a 40 mile radius of that dealership than
anywhere else. Including(maybe you've heard the name) Norm.
Children, don't ask me Norm Who.

OK, as for the Florida Tiger, I think there's a TAC team close by that can sort
out authenticity issues for the seller. You have Norm's judgement, now let's
see what the local TAC team thinks.

As for the Tiger with a possible questionable rocker panel or inner wheelhouse.
In all likihood, the inspectors(again, it takes three) will look at a number
of elements before coming to a verdict. Repaired accident damage rarely disqualifies
a car if all the other indicators check out to the good.

RB

From e.coiner at cox.net  Mon Sep  6 15:16:26 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:16:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100906171626.XM465.762241.imail@fed1rmwml44>

I see one item that is out of character for a true Mk1a tiger.  

The interior door panels are a hybrid.  Mk1a's are supposed to have a deluxe door panel the same as a GT Alpine
The deluxe panel has a covered panel at the top which this car has.
The deluxe panel has heat sealed embossing which this car has.
The deluxe panel is larger than standard it has metal plates under the vinyl that make the panel larger. On a deluxe panel you do not see painted metal above the inside door handle.  The back of the panel near the latch also has a jog in it.

The standard and deluxe door panels are not interchangeable because the deluxe door has 3 top hat shaped metal pieces welded in along the bottom edge of the panel.  The door panel mounts to these jogged pieces to keep the panel flush.

In a nutshell,  
The doors for a car with the deluxe interior are different from a standard interior.
Mk1A tigers all have a deluxe interior.  Most Mk1A cars have square cornered doors (Same as Series 5 Alpines)
Only GT model Alpines have deluxe interiors. 
Series 5 Alpine GT's were not imported into the US.

This means that a Non Tiger source of Square corner Deluxe doors is extremely rare if  not unobtainable in the US.
Is this proof? No but it is one area where the evidence suggests Alpine origin Doors at the least.

This Serial number is a very early Mk1A.  I don't know if that low a serial number should have round corner doors or not.  It clearly has square corners and the soft boot appropriate for a mk1a or Series 5 alpine

---- Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion?
> 
> http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm
> 
> Stephen Waybright

From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  6 17:12:48 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:12:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Flowers for the "alger"non
Message-ID: <921002.66590.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 9/6/10, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flowers for the "alger"non
To: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 7:11 PM






I have personaly seen two "Tiger" that had been "Halved"   repaired with an
Alpine donor car...both joined at mid point ....but one (a white one on evbay
a year ago here in Jupiter)...was a tiger from the firewall back, but was
repaired with an Alpine from their forward...It was advertized as a Tiger and
I do a very extensive survey for the winning bidder  (He cancelled the
purchase afterward)...and there was another one that was the opposite...tiger
in the front , repaied with an Alpine back half.....So what are they?  Algers
or repaired tigers?  and which one and why?  where do you draw the line?  For
years the factory made alpines before Tigers.....so did they make tigers from
Alpines?   Mike

--- On Mon, 9/6/10, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Flowers for the "alger"non
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 1:59 PM








"It is being touted as an "ALger" because Norm says so...even tho he has
never
seen it or inspected it....the self appointed expert has declared another car
he has never seen an Alger...he did that years ago to Dr. Steve Jaffe in
Florida....It was a real Tiger as I know the car for many years...Steve still
has it and would like to sell it but can't because Norm labelled it as a
"possible convereson" "
 
In both cases you mention there is a very easy way to solve the issue of
possible fakery.  Have both cars go through a TAC inspection.  Norm most
likely has info that both cars can't pass a TAC like inspection.  That
explains why he doubts the cars authenticity even though he has never seen
them.  In the early 1980's I watched as a Tiger was going through the process
of being "restored".  The Tiger was very rusty and the donor Alpine was very
solid and rust free.  Many months later, there was a very nice looking Tiger
and a pile of rusted out body parts along with a hacked up Alpine/Tiger
chassis.  I have no doubt that the owner was sure he now had a "real" Tiger
and its been a Tiger for many years.
 
 
                                                                 Jeff

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep  6 17:38:59 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:38:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe)
Message-ID: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com>

  Well, WOS is now in sight.  As you may remember, I had a dyno day a 
couple of months back. I shredded a V rated tire when speeds rose above 
164 mph on the dyno.  Didn't get much data to tune with. But, it wasn't 
all that bad, a little rich but that is ok.  I can fix that after the 
first run.   Yesterday, I loaded the tune back into the car and fired it 
up. Well hat is stretching it a bit. Barely run is all it did and no 
idle at all.  I drained the fuel from the tank and put fresh stuff in. 
Had put in a set of plugs yesterday. Still ran like dooky.  So, I 
imported the MAF curve that I ran on the dyno without corrections and 
reloaded the binary into all four positions.  Night and day.  Now it 
idles at a docile 1000 rpm like it is supposed to. I guess an gremlin 
had gotten into the upload somehow.  Car seems to be good. No major ills 
except that it is still hurt and may expire this time around. I hope 
not, but could happen. 205 is our goal.  19 mph is all I need to add to 
the existing car speed. Doesn't sound like much does it, maybe not if 
the turbo is working like it is supposed to . Now set at 10 psig.  Have 
set points for 12 and 15 if needed....  Can you say Kaboom!

So, the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) will head up to Bonneville on 
the 13th.  We should arrive there around 1 - 2 pm if all goes well.  We 
will park the trailer and put down the ground cloth and put the awning 
frame up.  Maybe get the car out and covered with its car cover.  Hook 
up the tow bar and be ready to head to tech inspection as soon as we get 
back  on the salt on Tuesday. After tech we will see if we can drive the 
course before the drivers meeting.  I like to know where the ruts and 
soft spots are, though truth be told I keep my eyes closed most of the 
way. Too scary to open them, lol...  As soon as the drivers meeting 
happens, then racing is on. we will go until the 18th. Everyone has to 
be off the salt by the end of the day on the 18th because another event 
is happening Starting Sunday.  We hope to make a run on Sat and then put 
the car and stuff away and head home.

If I can, I will leave status via my yahoo account. If I still have 
one... If not, then a full report when we return.

I think you may be able to check status on   www.saltflats.com


wish us luck!

mayf

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 17:45:59 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:45:59 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <20100906171626.XM465.762241.imail@fed1rmwml44>
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With all due respect the doors being wrong would not indicate the car has
been rebodied.. in the early years before parts were available and the cars
were of any worth repairing rusty doors with some decent donor alpine ones
from a ST alpine would be a easy fix. That said.. any cross over body SIVGT
alpine would also have the same doors of a "deluxe" interior.

The TAC criteria is based around "methods of manufacture" in other words
certain processes used to make a Tiger body by rootes.. doors, trim and
other things can be easily swapped out.. but there are certain processes
that rootes used to modify alpine shells that while can be duplicated to
appear correct will not be the same unless the same process of manufacture
has been used. These are core components of the body and hence a much better
guide than bolt on parts.






On 7 September 2010 07:16, <e.coiner at cox.net> wrote:

> I see one item that is out of character for a true Mk1a tiger.
>
> The interior door panels are a hybrid.  Mk1a's are supposed to have a
> deluxe door panel the same as a GT Alpine
> The deluxe panel has a covered panel at the top which this car has.
> The deluxe panel has heat sealed embossing which this car has.
> The deluxe panel is larger than standard it has metal plates under the
> vinyl that make the panel larger. On a deluxe panel you do not see painted
> metal above the inside door handle.  The back of the panel near the latch
> also has a jog in it.
>
> The standard and deluxe door panels are not interchangeable because the
> deluxe door has 3 top hat shaped metal pieces welded in along the bottom
> edge of the panel.  The door panel mounts to these jogged pieces to keep the
> panel flush.
>
> In a nutshell,
> The doors for a car with the deluxe interior are different from a standard
> interior.
> Mk1A tigers all have a deluxe interior.  Most Mk1A cars have square
> cornered doors (Same as Series 5 Alpines)
> Only GT model Alpines have deluxe interiors.
> Series 5 Alpine GT's were not imported into the US.
>
> This means that a Non Tiger source of Square corner Deluxe doors is
> extremely rare if  not unobtainable in the US.
> Is this proof? No but it is one area where the evidence suggests Alpine
> origin Doors at the least.
>
> This Serial number is a very early Mk1A.  I don't know if that low a serial
> number should have round corner doors or not.  It clearly has square corners
> and the soft boot appropriate for a mk1a or Series 5 alpine
>
> ---- Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a
> conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and
> pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a
> conversion?
> >
> > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm
> >
> > Stephen Waybright
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-- 
Regards

Michael King

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Sep  6 22:14:31 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:14:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
References: <801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20100906171626.XM465.762241.imail@fed1rmwml44>
	<AANLkTinYroy_GE7oNdd-VkNLEdc0hqeA-18kbwEOiLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBBD004EA4914C1E9EBAFAC38B3CE03B@student2>

This is a very interesting discussion.  Normally (no pun intended) people 
are in an uproar because an Alpine is being passed off as a Tiger.  In this 
case the Alpine heritage is fully disclosed regarding this Tiger "look a 
like," but the issue continues on. Perhaps we can applaud the honesty.

As has already been stated before a car not passing TAC still doesn't mean 
it is not a real Tiger.  It means there is no or limited evidence to show 
its Jensen roots (partial pun intended).  I've been told a car is never 
declared an Alger, it just isn't certified as a Tiger of origin.

  This world is not a perfect place, but those with the knowledge are making 
the effort to keep the bloodline pure.   I don't think it was ever meant to 
be an elite club (TAC).

If for some reason the process has created an error my hope is that both 
parties would work together to sort the issue out.

FYI my Tiger has the whole front clip, hood, all the lower sheetmetal (one 
inner sill), bumpers, engine, and rearend replaced.  The whole 
chassis/floorpan has been stripped and coated with POR-15.  In a few short 
minutes my car received its TAC sticker.
Tom Witt 

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 22:44:18 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.45530.1283701668.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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The dealer has confirmed that the VIN plate has been switched, though he
described switching VIN plates to me as a "grey area" for older cars. The
dealer has also described it as a conversion. From what, he does not say.  

All that said, I do not know enough to look at the pictures and determine
whether the car was originally constructed as a Tiger or not. I am
comfortable that people who do know have looked at the car and determined it
is a converted Alpine.

I do believe, however, that, if the dealer thought the car was a real Tiger,
he would have it TAC'ed. Wouldn't you do that if it meant greatly increasing
the value of the car? Of course, if it turned out to be a real Tiger, then
we are faced with the question of why the VIN plate was switched. Can you
say stolen car?

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:17 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
> 
> Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being 
> sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the 
> correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car 
> that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion?
> 
> http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c
-2803.htm
> 
> Stephen Waybright
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 23:13:24 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:13:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
In-Reply-To: <EBBD004EA4914C1E9EBAFAC38B3CE03B@student2>
References: <801871.64880.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20100906171626.XM465.762241.imail@fed1rmwml44><AANLkTinYroy_GE7oNdd-VkNLEdc0hqeA-18kbwEOiLpg@mail.gmail.com>
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I have no problem with any car being modified in any way and I would
normally hope someone would buy this car and enjoy it. My problem is the
Tiger VIN plate. 

With the VIN plate switched, the car has lost its identity and is illegal in
every state as far as I know. Is it a real Tiger, stolen, with a junked
Tiger's VIN plate? Or is it a stolen Alpine with the remains of a junked
Tiger and its VIN used to make a fake Tiger? Or is it a stolen Alpine with
parts from a stolen Tiger used for the conversion, with a VIN from a junked
Tiger? Or is it some other combination? Who knows?

Using a Tiger VIN tells me that the car was built to deceive in some way,
for some purpose, and I would want nothing to do with it. Sure, it could
still be a stolen Alpine with another Alpine's VIN, but I think that is a
very unlikely. 

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:15 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
> 
> This is a very interesting discussion.  Normally (no pun 
> intended) people are in an uproar because an Alpine is being 
> passed off as a Tiger.  In this case the Alpine heritage is 
> fully disclosed regarding this Tiger "look a like," but the 
> issue continues on. Perhaps we can applaud the honesty.
> 
> As has already been stated before a car not passing TAC still 
> doesn't mean it is not a real Tiger.  It means there is no or 
> limited evidence to show its Jensen roots (partial pun 
> intended).  I've been told a car is never declared an Alger, 
> it just isn't certified as a Tiger of origin.
> 
>   This world is not a perfect place, but those with the 
> knowledge are making 
> the effort to keep the bloodline pure.   I don't think it was 
> ever meant to 
> be an elite club (TAC).
> 
> If for some reason the process has created an error my hope 
> is that both parties would work together to sort the issue out.
> 
> FYI my Tiger has the whole front clip, hood, all the lower 
> sheetmetal (one inner sill), bumpers, engine, and rearend 
> replaced.  The whole chassis/floorpan has been stripped and 
> coated with POR-15.  In a few short minutes my car received 
> its TAC sticker.
> Tom Witt
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Sep  7 07:36:19 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:36:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest
 Sunbeam (wannabe)
In-Reply-To: <001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick>
References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com>
	<72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org>
	<001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick>
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  On 9/7/2010 5:46 AM, Rick Byrnes wrote:
> Jon
> Do you know all the participants?
>
>
>
So, Rick, you hijack my email to send a note to Jon W.?

mayf

From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  7 09:26:20 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:26:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ALGER vin
Message-ID: <857691.73461.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Why would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"?  who cares what
was swirtched and where how if?  The guy used two  junked cars to save one and
used the vin that matched most closely to what he created?  It happens all the
time and  in every state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when /if
it is sold.....Mike

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Sep  7 10:30:52 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:30:52 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] ALGER vin
Message-ID: <12d495.55ddef99.39b7c2bc@aol.com>

Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road  use" only.   In 
most states if the DMV knows you have  removed and/or swapped the tag, they 
either will not register the car or will  confiscate it. 
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mikeflbmer at yahoo.com writes:

Why  would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"?  who cares  
what
was swirtched and where how if?  The guy used two  junked  cars to save one 
and
used the vin that matched most closely to what he  created?  It happens all 
the
time and  in every  state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when 
/if
it is  sold.....Mike
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  7 09:33:43 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
Message-ID: <819981.52837.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd?  If after,
then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that something
might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop.  Mike

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Sep  7 11:35:53 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 12:35:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?ALGER_vin?=
Message-ID: <20100907173454.3F5ED187644@autox.team.net>

I called our dmv and asked. If you bring the car down for inspection, they don't care. Tn.
The officer said it is a mere re body and legal.
Happens with mgb's all the time.Sheesh.  you guys must live in terror of your state government. 


Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: CoolVT at aol.com
Date: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 11:30
Subject: [Tigers] ALGER vin
To: <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>, <Tigers at autox.team.net>

Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road  use" only.   In 
most states if the DMV knows you have  removed and/or swapped the tag, they 
either will not register the car or will  confiscate it. 
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mikeflbmer at yahoo.com writes:

Why  would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"?  who cares  
what
was swirtched and where how if?  The guy used two  junked  cars to save one 
and
used the vin that matched most closely to what he  created?  It happens all 
the
time and  in every  state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when 
/if
it is  sold.....Mike
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From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Sep  7 14:49:56 2010
From: jrv309 at charter.net (jrv309 at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:49:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <819981.52837.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <819981.52837.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FA7ECFA720C64F449B303598B72DD2EB@NewDell>

Mike;  I don't care for your tone.   Stolen vehicles is a big business and 
my Detectives worked very hard to recover as many stolen vehicles as 
possible.  Have you ever been a victim??  Jerry, Retired Police Sergeant 
from Bakersfield, Calif.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:33 AM
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?

> Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd?  If after,
> then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that 
> something
> might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop.  Mike
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 09:09:58 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:09:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <FD588C266E654820AB6ABF812FF3A812@PaulJuliePC>
Message-ID: <289868.59233.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

For your info I personally informed Norm of my clone Vin years ago when i
built it....If you dont believe me check with him (I know he keeps records of
everything)  and I never plan to sell my car as it will pass on to my kids and
then theirs.....so  you are wrong again!  Say, arn't you the guy with the
OBAMA sticker on the back bumper of your Tiger?

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Paul Reisentz <plrresto at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Paul Reisentz <plrresto at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
To: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 12:05 AM


Hey Schreiner, STOP ALREADY!

I've been reading your postings for the last few days, and I'm convinced
you're both an idiot and an asshole all rolled into one.

I've been involved with the TAC program for about 16 years now and everytime I
hear ramblings like this, it's always the same thing. Someone is pissed off
they can't pass off their clone as the real thing at club events; they're
pissed off they can't "create" a Tiger without the possibility of the Tiger
community finding out the true identity of their creation and, therefore, not
being able to sell the car at a later date for a true Tiger price. I wonder if
any of this is true about you.

Paul Reisentz
----- Original Message ----- From: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?


> Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd?  If after,
> then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that something
> might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop.  Mike
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  7 14:27:14 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:27:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ALGER vin
In-Reply-To: <12d495.55ddef99.39b7c2bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <317434.91954.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

They have absolutly no way to prove it as they werent there when the car was
built....and  mgs are rebodied all the time...you can buy a  repro body  out
of the UK
--- On Tue, 9/7/10, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:


From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin
To: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com, Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:30 PM



Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road use" only.   In most
states if the DMV knows you have removed and/or swapped the tag, they either
will not register the car or will confiscate it.
Mark L
 

In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mikeflbmer at yahoo.com writes:
Why would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"?  who cares what
was swirtched and where how if?  The guy used two  junked cars to save one
and
used the vin that matched most closely to what he created?  It happens all
the
time and  in every state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when
/if
it is sold.....Mike
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Sep  7 20:43:23 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:43:23 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
References: <819981.52837.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B9F1F689AF5C42F091BB757A24B96757@student2>

I assume this is referring to my car. To clarify, the listed changes 
(sheetmetal, POR-15 etc.) were made BEFORE the TAC inspection. While it 
seemed not to be a factor in receiving the sticker, my car was TACed as 
having "original rivets."

Tom Witt


> Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd?  If after,
> then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that 
> something
> might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop.  Mike

From gabbardalex at att.net  Wed Sep  8 08:00:48 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] disc brake dust shields
In-Reply-To: <16A97C6FE6C4456584D191B8F793D48E@ronpc1>
References: <16A97C6FE6C4456584D191B8F793D48E@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <558748.21378.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looking for an undamaged set, right and left side, dust shields from a Mk V
Alpine or Tiger front disc brakes. For sale?

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 10:00:31 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:00:31 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <289868.59233.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Take this off the board gentlemen.  I don't appreciate my inbox being populated with this personal attack crap.  You are acting like you drive Hondas. 

Duke
B382002037 



---- mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> For your info I personally informed Norm of my clone Vin years ago when i
> built it....If you dont believe me check with him (I know he keeps records of
> everything)  and I never plan to sell my car as it will pass on to my kids and
> then theirs.....so  you are wrong again!  Say, arn't you the guy with the
> OBAMA sticker on the back bumper of your Tiger?
> 
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Paul Reisentz <plrresto at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Paul Reisentz <plrresto at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
> To: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 12:05 AM
> 
> 
> Hey Schreiner, STOP ALREADY!
> 
> I've been reading your postings for the last few days, and I'm convinced
> you're both an idiot and an asshole all rolled into one.
> 
> I've been involved with the TAC program for about 16 years now and everytime I
> hear ramblings like this, it's always the same thing. Someone is pissed off
> they can't pass off their clone as the real thing at club events; they're
> pissed off they can't "create" a Tiger without the possibility of the Tiger
> community finding out the true identity of their creation and, therefore, not
> being able to sell the car at a later date for a true Tiger price. I wonder if
> any of this is true about you.
> 
> Paul Reisentz
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
> To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:33 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
> 
> 
> > Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd?  If after,
> > then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that something
> > might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop.  Mike
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  7 20:59:01 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 19:59:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <FA7ECFA720C64F449B303598B72DD2EB@NewDell>
Message-ID: <565641.25269.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

No disrepect intended.....I have respect for the law and would never steal
anything....the point is , these repaired sunbeams are not stolen, (and you
all know that)... they are saved from some junkyard or someguys back
yard....The sunbeam community should be thanking us for saving one....instead
they are chanting about possible stolen cars, and I think just jealous that we
have virtually the same car, with the same fun, for 1/3 their cost....and they
want to feel superior that they have a "Factory" car....We Alger owners are
laughing all the way to the bank (as we drive in our "Tiger")

--- On Tue, 9/7/10, jrv309 at charter.net <jrv309 at charter.net> wrote:


From: jrv309 at charter.net <jrv309 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
To: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>, Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 4:49 PM


Mike;  I don't care for your tone.   Stolen vehicles is a big business and my
Detectives worked very hard to recover as many stolen vehicles as possible. 
Have you ever been a victim??  Jerry, Retired Police Sergeant from
Bakersfield, Calif.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:33 AM
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?

> Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd?  If after,
> then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that something
> might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop.  Mike
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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 10:41:10 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:41:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
References: <289868.59233.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
Message-ID: <005f01cb4f74$a5a8b9d0$f0fa2d70$@com>

Hey!!! I drive a Honda!!!   

Or I made it a Honda from other parts.....is that ok?   ;)


(I don't really)


I agree...when it gets personal it's time to meet at the bike racks instead
of the list....





-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:01 AM
To: Paul Reisentz; mike schreiner
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?

Take this off the board gentlemen.  I don't appreciate my inbox being
populated with this personal attack crap.  You are acting like you drive
Hondas. 

From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 11:00:11 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:00:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
References: <289868.59233.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==dbF87h4sEaKYnVhGQF9yCK7XKs7c=tajvwYj@mail.gmail.com>

Post of the Day!     Thanks Duke.

Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448

http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:

> Take this off the board gentlemen.  I don't appreciate my inbox being
> populated with this personal attack crap.  You are acting like you drive
> Hondas.
>
> Duke
> B382002037

From denismercier at telvic.net  Wed Sep  8 11:03:33 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:03:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] disc brake dust shields
References: <16A97C6FE6C4456584D191B8F793D48E@ronpc1>
	<558748.21378.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6111B9556A4645DBBE5093796BC6FFFC@D7F0WHF1>

Sir.
The Alpine and Tiger dust shields are not the same, whichone you want ?
        Denis.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gabbard Gabbard" <gabbardalex at att.net>
To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; "George Re" <mgman71 at comcast.net>; 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:00 AM
Subject: [Tigers] disc brake dust shields


> Looking for an undamaged set, right and left side, dust shields from a Mk 
> V
> Alpine or Tiger front disc brakes. For sale?
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From gabbardalex at att.net  Tue Sep  7 13:55:24 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:55:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings
In-Reply-To: <16A97C6FE6C4456584D191B8F793D48E@ronpc1>
References: <16A97C6FE6C4456584D191B8F793D48E@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <802560.20707.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have definitive photos of LAT-44 Rear fender flares and LAT-45
Front 
fender flares? Are they the same as the Lister Tiger, shaped for 15x7
wheels?

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 12:14:58 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re:  ALger?
Message-ID: <333039.83108.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jerry- I was an"ALMOST" stolen Tiger victim in the very early 80s- I'm just
glad the would be thief, whom I'm certain realized what a Tiger was, wasn't
smart enough to hot wire the car, instead he tried cutting wires off the
ignition switch and jumper them together to get the engine started. All he had
to do was pop the hood and run one wire to the solenoid to the voltage reducer
and then jump the solenoid and away he would have gone. I had friends move my
Harley one night and I know the feeling in your stomach when you truly believe
someone has stolen your ride- no matter what it may be they are taking. We
haven't got a shot at saving our cars from a pro. They know how to steal any
car they desire and they are very fast . I would bet almost as quick as having
the key. It is definitely smart to have protection on our cars - be it a
hidden switch for the fuel pump or the same device trucking companies use to
know exactly where their divers are, just by
 looking on a computer screen. I'm sure the pros also have detectors that
locate those items as well. If you drive a car that's important and valuable,
then it is never safe, even in you own garage IF they really want the car.
There is competition even amongest thieves. Luckily for us, I haven' t heard
of a Tiger getting stolen in a very long time and I hope I never read that any
Beam has been lifted and I seriously doubt the cost of equipment that shows
the location of our cars is very expensive but then again, a PRO will be gone
in less time than the real owner takes to back out of his/her driveway..
 
A thought for today. "Never judge another mans thoughts until you have walked
a few miles in his shoes" Your words may well change afterwards and having had
to wear those shoes in days gone by, it is easier to apologize that it is to
heal.
 
Tony Lang (TtT)




 

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Wed Sep  8 12:17:54 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:17:54 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] disc brake dust shields
Message-ID: <1f4ef.32712364.39b92d52@aol.com>

Anon,

Alpine and Tiger front disc brake dust shields are not the same parts.

Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Wed Sep  8 12:20:28 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:20:28 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings
Message-ID: <1f7d3.730e5b74.39b92dec@aol.com>

Anon,

The LAT fender flares are not the same as the LeMans cars have.  Starke 
Shelby in Pacific Tiger Club has manufactured molds to make sets of LAT flares 
using an original set I own.

Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle

From allanballard at att.net  Wed Sep  8 13:40:22 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:40:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source
In-Reply-To: <333039.83108.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <333039.83108.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CEC83019-8E3D-46FB-AE9B-6B5AA05E5B71@att.net>

Online mailorder source for 205/60/13 tires:

Onlinetires.com

https://www.onlinetires.com/contactus.php

Sumitomo -  205/60-13 SUMITOMO HTR200 87H

and

Federal  05/60-13 FEDERAL FORMOZA FD1 87H

Does anyone have other brands/sources in 205-60-13?

Allan Ballard
MK1A Tiger
Series IV Alpine

Atlanta, GA USA

From cars at wt-inc.com  Tue Sep  7 18:27:57 2010
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:27:57 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ALGER vin
In-Reply-To: <12d495.55ddef99.39b7c2bc@aol.com>
References: <12d495.55ddef99.39b7c2bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00e701cb4eec$b0253d30$106fb790$@com>

Not true where I live.  It is about full disclosure (which this guy has
done).  Mike is right.  Cars have massive work done like this all the time
and they get them registered or re-registerd.  If a guy welds two cars
together and brings both tags to the DMV I and explained the situation, I
would bet that he would get it registered with whichever tag he desired.  I
know he would in Utah.  I built a replica cobra and California let me
register it as a 1965 shelby cobra.  They simply used a number that was
stamped into the tube frame (not a CSX number).  My Tiger had the tag
destroyed in a fire in Oregon.  Oregon took too long to get the owner a new
tag so he went to Alabama via the mail.  They registered it with a new
number and sent him plates and a new title.  I bought the car and took it to
Utah and registered it with the original tag number.  It took me about 10
minutes.  I still have the Alabama license plates.  Some of you people are
giving the state employees WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY to much credit.  I have never
heard a FIRST person account of someone that had their car confiscated,
crushed, burned or even their tires peed on.  It has always been a "friend"
or a "friend of a friend".  I would love to hear a story from the actual
owner of a car where this happened.  If it has happened to someone on this
list please share the story.

Can you imagine the litigation from someone that had their Ferrari
confiscated or crushed because the tag was removed during a full
restoration?  It would NEVER happen.

Just some random thoughts from a guy that occasionally sees black
helicopters hovering over his house.

Lynn



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 9:31 AM
To: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin

Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road  use" only.   In 
most states if the DMV knows you have  removed and/or swapped the tag, they 
either will not register the car or will  confiscate it. 
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mikeflbmer at yahoo.com writes:

Why  would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"?  who cares  
what
was swirtched and where how if?  The guy used two  junked  cars to save one 
and
used the vin that matched most closely to what he  created?  It happens all 
the
time and  in every  state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when 
/if
it is  sold.....Mike
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 14:11:52 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source
In-Reply-To: <CEC83019-8E3D-46FB-AE9B-6B5AA05E5B71@att.net>
References: <333039.83108.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CEC83019-8E3D-46FB-AE9B-6B5AA05E5B71@att.net>
Message-ID: <5CD832DEADD44803BA9AB510BD5E91E1@DellD4700>

Allan,

Tirerack.com also has the Sumitomo HTR200 if you want a price comparison.
You might also try doing a Google search for "205/60R13".

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:40 PM
> To: Beamclub
> Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source
> 
> Online mailorder source for 205/60/13 tires:
> 
> Onlinetires.com
> 
> https://www.onlinetires.com/contactus.php
> 
> Sumitomo -  205/60-13 SUMITOMO HTR200 87H
> 
> and
> 
> Federal  05/60-13 FEDERAL FORMOZA FD1 87H
> 
> Does anyone have other brands/sources in 205-60-13?
> 
> Allan Ballard
> MK1A Tiger
> Series IV Alpine
> 
> Atlanta, GA USA
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 15:26:04 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source
In-Reply-To: <CEC83019-8E3D-46FB-AE9B-6B5AA05E5B71@att.net>
Message-ID: <332281.15062.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here's a website for 13" tires that Buck told me about.
 
http://www.americanraceronline.com/racing-tires/passenger.html
 
Gary



Sumitomo -  205/60-13 SUMITOMO HTR200 87H

and

Federal  05/60-13 FEDERAL FORMOZA FD1 87H

Does anyone have other brands/sources in 205-60-13?

Allan Ballard
MK1A Tiger
Series IV Alpine

Atlanta, GA USA
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Sep  8 15:42:09 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:42:09 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] ALGER vin
Message-ID: <1da7dc.407781d7.39b95d31@aol.com>

What would happen if someone came in with a Ferrari  that was stolen, had a 
new vin plate on it and told the DMV that he had just  welded 2 junks 
together?
There is no doubt that some states are much easier  than others.  I think 
it comes down to the fact that before you buy a car  with a swapped vin, you 
had better know what you are getting into. For example,  in Vermont I 
wouldn't buy one unless it had previously been registered in  Vermont.
Don't want to bore you with  the  details, but I once owned a $50K car that 
I couldn't register and couldn't  sell. No, it wasn't a stolen car. 
Mark 
 
 
In a message dated 9/8/2010 4:29:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cars at wt-inc.com writes:

Not true  where I live.  It is about full disclosure (which this guy  has
done).  Mike is right.  Cars have massive work done like this  all the time
and they get them registered or re-registerd.  If a guy  welds two cars
together and brings both tags to the DMV I and explained the  situation, I
would bet that he would get it registered with whichever tag  he desired.  I
know he would in Utah.  I built a replica cobra  and California let me
register it as a 1965 shelby cobra.  They simply  used a number that was
stamped into the tube frame (not a CSX  number).  My Tiger had the tag
destroyed in a fire in Oregon.   Oregon took too long to get the owner a new
tag so he went to Alabama via  the mail.  They registered it with a new
number and sent him plates  and a new title.  I bought the car and took it 
to
Utah and registered  it with the original tag number.  It took me about 10
minutes.  I  still have the Alabama license plates.  Some of you people are
giving  the state employees WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY to much credit.  I have  never
heard a FIRST person account of someone that had their car  confiscated,
crushed, burned or even their tires peed on.  It has  always been a "friend"
or a "friend of a friend".  I would love to  hear a story from the actual
owner of a car where this happened.  If  it has happened to someone on this
list please share the story.

Can  you imagine the litigation from someone that had their Ferrari
confiscated  or crushed because the tag was removed during a full
restoration?  It  would NEVER happen.

Just some random thoughts from a guy that  occasionally sees black
helicopters hovering over his  house.

Lynn



-----Original Message-----
From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On  Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 9:31 AM
To:  mikeflbmer at yahoo.com; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER  vin

Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road  use"  only.   In 
most states if the DMV knows you have  removed  and/or swapped the tag, 
they 
either will not register the car or  will  confiscate it. 
Mark L


In a message dated 9/7/2010  12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  writes:

Why  would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would  if's"?  who cares  
what
was swirtched and where how if?   The guy used two  junked  cars to save 
one 
and
used the vin  that matched most closely to what he  created?  It happens 
all  
the
time and  in every  state......Nothing wrong with it if  it is diclosed 
when 
/if
it is   sold.....Mike
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Wed Sep  8 15:51:58 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:51:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source
In-Reply-To: <CEC83019-8E3D-46FB-AE9B-6B5AA05E5B71@att.net>
References: <333039.83108.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CEC83019-8E3D-46FB-AE9B-6B5AA05E5B71@att.net>
Message-ID: <BA8F79F1421146439F7D533524C4F2FA@JPC>

Universal Tire has Vredestein Sprint Classic 205/60x13. Nice tire but pricey 
at $170 each.

Jim Lindner
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
To: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:40 PM
Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source


> Online mailorder source for 205/60/13 tires:
>
> Onlinetires.com
>
> https://www.onlinetires.com/contactus.php
>
> Sumitomo -  205/60-13 SUMITOMO HTR200 87H
>
> and
>
> Federal  05/60-13 FEDERAL FORMOZA FD1 87H
>
> Does anyone have other brands/sources in 205-60-13?
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1A Tiger
> Series IV Alpine
>
> Atlanta, GA USA
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From modtiger at comcast.net  Wed Sep  8 16:52:07 2010
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:52:07 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Why I care
Message-ID: <4C881397.3080004@comcast.net>

This message is in response to a recent question on this forum about who 
cares what a VIN Tag is applied to. This _personal_ statement by me, is 
designed to answer the question and should not be considered a personnel 
attack on any individual.

I care! And for some reason, I feel compelled after due thought, to 
respond to this inquiry on this forum.  Sorry, ahead of time, to those 
of you that don't care for the continuation of this touchy subject.

Normally I stay out of discussions involving the STOA TAC program and 
VIN transfer, but some Marque enthusiasts seem to have little regard for 
applicable laws and other reasonable conventions. I met Ian Garrad in 
the late 60's after his separation from Chrysler. From that time until 
his untimely death, he was a personal friend of mine and I am honored to 
own a few examples of the special vehicles he essentially created. I 
have no problem with the assembly of a replica of this design. I do have 
a problem when an individual feels justified in applying a VIN Tag from 
a Tiger to a replica.

To many of us owners that feel that Tigers are "something a little 
special", this is more than a little offensive and regardless of recent 
rants to the contrary, likely illegal in most states. A lot of this has 
to do with what I'd call "intent". Once you remove the rivets from one 
chassis and knowingly move the VIN Tag to another and replace the 
rivets, this becomes "an intent to defraud". This is _not_ repair and 
restoration. One can make all the claims one wants about how "Norm" and 
everybody else in the Tiger world were informed. The vehicle ID 
"applied" stands on it's own.

That's exactly what's going on here in California, in my town, with a 
similar replica. What's going on is that someone else did what was 
suggested, moved the Tiger VIN to a new chassis, and now a lot of people 
want to know why this is not a Tiger, because to most observers it 
appears to be a Tiger, complete with a Tiger VIN. I am very familiar 
with this car as it was an early challenge to our TAC program. So here 
we are, almost 20 years later facing the same problem. The owner has 
confirmed to inquiries, that it is not a "real" Tiger, but it is so 
labeled by it's VIN and he's clearly asking Tiger level dollars. It's 
never going to get a TAC sticker because we (the collective Tiger 
Authentication Committee) can't identify the chassis as a Pressed 
Steel/Jensen product.

So this is why I care, and why other owners and potential owners care, 
and in most cases, the government cares. The proper way to identify a 
replica Tiger is to leave the Alpine VIN in place or at least get a 
state issued ID that identifies the true origin of the chassis. To do 
otherwise is just plain wrong. The prevention of this misidentification 
was the basis of the development of the STOA TAC program many years ago. 
We hope that this program has made a difference in how the public 
perceives this Marque, by helping protect it from fraud. Saving an 
otherwise damaged or destroyed example of the Marque by moving the VIN 
to another chassis is not an OK activity in our world. We have 
Authenticated over 10% of the original production of Tigers at this 
point, all over the world, almost 50 years after production was 
initiated. As anyone can clearly see, our work is clearly ongoing.

-- 
Tom Hall
TAC Senior Inspector  # 1
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  8 17:31:16 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:31:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
References: <289868.59233.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com><20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
	<AANLkTi==dbF87h4sEaKYnVhGQF9yCK7XKs7c=tajvwYj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88E05CDF0C8A40A1BEB981F89BBD516F@yourze8cxvr8tt>

this disagreement will never end! it seems that wherever we travel to, 
someone always questions the authenticity of tigers. WHY? nobody ever 
questions a rebodied harrington and they are a RARE sunbeam. nobody 
questions a rebodied alpine. i never noticed this being discussed way back 
in the 60's,70's or even the 80's. was it started by a select group that 
were afraid someone was out to rip them off? i have been a sunbeam owner all 
but 16 years of my life and i'm now 61. someone explain to me the real 
reason behind having to prove that a tiger consists of the same alpine body 
that was used to make the tiger. they all say SUNBEAM on the trunk. maybe we 
harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners prove that all 
110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would have to look 
for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right sealer between 
the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and D cars. WOW! 
that would be a select group of owners.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Sencindiver" <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>
To: <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?


> Post of the Day!     Thanks Duke.
>
> Jim Sencindiver
>
> B382100451/TAC 448
>
> http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Take this off the board gentlemen.  I don't appreciate my inbox being
>> populated with this personal attack crap.  You are acting like you drive
>> Hondas.
>>
>> Duke
>> B382002037
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Wed Sep  8 17:48:16 2010
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:48:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Why I care
In-Reply-To: <4C881397.3080004@comcast.net>
References: <4C881397.3080004@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C8820C0.7020503@verizon.net>

  I also have watched this issue, and it is clearly defrauding to add a 
Tiger VIN to a conversion.

Tom states this issue well, and somewhere down the line this car will be 
sold as a Tiger to someone who does not know the difference.

I appreciate good workmanship on anything, but not an out and out fraud, 
which this is.

Larry

On 9/8/10 6:52 PM, Tom Hall wrote:
> This message is in response to a recent question on this forum about who
> cares what a VIN Tag is applied to. This _personal_ statement by me, is
> designed to answer the question and should not be considered a personnel
> attack on any individual.
>
> I care! And for some reason, I feel compelled after due thought, to
> respond to this inquiry on this forum.  Sorry, ahead of time, to those
> of you that don't care for the continuation of this touchy subject.
>
> Normally I stay out of discussions involving the STOA TAC program and
> VIN transfer, but some Marque enthusiasts seem to have little regard for
> applicable laws and other reasonable conventions. I met Ian Garrad in
> the late 60's after his separation from Chrysler. From that time until
> his untimely death, he was a personal friend of mine and I am honored to
> own a few examples of the special vehicles he essentially created. I
> have no problem with the assembly of a replica of this design. I do have
> a problem when an individual feels justified in applying a VIN Tag from
> a Tiger to a replica.
>
> To many of us owners that feel that Tigers are "something a little
> special", this is more than a little offensive and regardless of recent
> rants to the contrary, likely illegal in most states. A lot of this has
> to do with what I'd call "intent". Once you remove the rivets from one
> chassis and knowingly move the VIN Tag to another and replace the
> rivets, this becomes "an intent to defraud". This is _not_ repair and
> restoration. One can make all the claims one wants about how "Norm" and
> everybody else in the Tiger world were informed. The vehicle ID
> "applied" stands on it's own.
>
> That's exactly what's going on here in California, in my town, with a
> similar replica. What's going on is that someone else did what was
> suggested, moved the Tiger VIN to a new chassis, and now a lot of people
> want to know why this is not a Tiger, because to most observers it
> appears to be a Tiger, complete with a Tiger VIN. I am very familiar
> with this car as it was an early challenge to our TAC program. So here
> we are, almost 20 years later facing the same problem. The owner has
> confirmed to inquiries, that it is not a "real" Tiger, but it is so
> labeled by it's VIN and he's clearly asking Tiger level dollars. It's
> never going to get a TAC sticker because we (the collective Tiger
> Authentication Committee) can't identify the chassis as a Pressed
> Steel/Jensen product.
>
> So this is why I care, and why other owners and potential owners care,
> and in most cases, the government cares. The proper way to identify a
> replica Tiger is to leave the Alpine VIN in place or at least get a
> state issued ID that identifies the true origin of the chassis. To do
> otherwise is just plain wrong. The prevention of this misidentification
> was the basis of the development of the STOA TAC program many years ago.
> We hope that this program has made a difference in how the public
> perceives this Marque, by helping protect it from fraud. Saving an
> otherwise damaged or destroyed example of the Marque by moving the VIN
> to another chassis is not an OK activity in our world. We have
> Authenticated over 10% of the original production of Tigers at this
> point, all over the world, almost 50 years after production was
> initiated. As anyone can clearly see, our work is clearly ongoing.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 18:06:54 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:06:54 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <88E05CDF0C8A40A1BEB981F89BBD516F@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <289868.59233.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
	<AANLkTi==dbF87h4sEaKYnVhGQF9yCK7XKs7c=tajvwYj@mail.gmail.com>
	<88E05CDF0C8A40A1BEB981F89BBD516F@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4UFg87wchn=mJCDk86AFEXY4bh4kN4Sk8gh+6@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the
USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very
average...

On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:

>  maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners
> prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we
> would have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the
> right sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type
> A, C and D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners.
>


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  8 18:35:49 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:35:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
References: <289868.59233.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com><20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02><AANLkTi==dbF87h4sEaKYnVhGQF9yCK7XKs7c=tajvwYj@mail.gmail.com><88E05CDF0C8A40A1BEB981F89BBD516F@yourze8cxvr8tt>
	<AANLkTin4UFg87wchn=mJCDk86AFEXY4bh4kN4Sk8gh+6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09FE57F76F4C4545BF8762F0AFAA8A35@yourze8cxvr8tt>

michael,
    that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION !  remember that the tiger was just
another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were also
pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't the
jenson line.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: michael king
  To: bob webb
  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?


  Bob,

  I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the
USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very
average...


  On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:

     maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners
prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would
have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right
sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and
D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners.



  --
  Regards

  Michael King

From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Wed Sep  8 18:44:09 2010
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:44:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires
Message-ID: <002e01cb4fb8$1dbb44e0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

Hi Listers,  I have a set of 195/60x13  Sumahumo's or what ever they are --
will deliver to Rockport Me next month,  $200.00 for four, or make an offer,
they have about 200 miles on them,  came on the car when I bought it,  rpl'd
with Toyo RA1,  Clyde

From rande at thecia.net  Wed Sep  8 18:56:26 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:56:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the Why I care topic
Message-ID: <4c8830ba.43f.0@thecia.net>

Bob,
The issue for Mike of Florida is that the TAC program has been explained to
death to him by me, others, and now Tom Hall, and , he repeately doesn't like
it. I know he's smart enough to understand the program, everyone knows how he
felt about it weeks ago, and it hasn't sunk in that we don't want to hear his
repeated dislike for the program four times a day.We know how he feels. Now,
snap out of it, Mike.

The issue is not using up a very tired original LeMans to restore another LeMans.
As I see it, the TAC program and the Alpine to Tiger discussion is akin to someone
taking a wrecked Series III 'D' Harrington and building a Series IV 'D' Harrington,
i.e. building something it never was, originally.

Same thing with Heritage MGBGT body. Restore it to another MGBGT, and things
are cool. Turn it into either a Costello V8 MGBGT or the later British Leyland
MGBGT V8, and it's not OK.

Alpine to Alpine, good. Alpine to Tiger, and transferring the Tiger VIN, baaad.


As for Tom Hall's explanation of TAC and switching VIN's, it cannot be put more
succinctly. Don't understand it? Read it again, and again, until it sinks in.


Mike, I don't want you to go away, but you can stick a fork in the Alger topic,
'cause it's done.

From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 19:09:34 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
Message-ID: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics)  I guess it is a
Alpinton ...i must be the clone  guy ...and everybody hates me!

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:


From: bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM


michael,
    that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION !  remember that the tiger was just
another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were
also
pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't
the
jenson line.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: michael king
  To: bob webb
  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?


  Bob,

  I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the
USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very
average...


  On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:

     maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners
prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would
have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right
sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and
D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners.



  --
  Regards

  Michael King
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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  8 19:23:08 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:23:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8B7F418E63C24A8A9946742897DF3E90@yourze8cxvr8tt>

mike,
   you might want to put me in your group. remember the story about me
converting the rust free mk 2 back to an alpine. my body man even installed
the mk 2 wheel well moldings on my 69GT. look at the photos of my 69GT on my
photo bucket site. i'm even cutting up a rust free series 3 GT for parts to
restore my series 4. i may be one up on you.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mike schreiner
  To: bob webb
  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?


        UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics)  I guess
it is a Alpinton ...i must be the clone  guy ...and everybody hates me!

        --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:


          From: bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
          Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
          To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
          Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
          Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM


          michael,
              that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION !  remember that the tiger
was just
          another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies
were also
          pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just
wasn't the
          jenson line.
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: michael king
            To: bob webb
            Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
            Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM
            Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?


            Bob,

            I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it
transaltes in the
          USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are
very
          average...


            On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

               maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make
owners
          prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies.
we would
          have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the
right
          sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type
A, C and
          D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners.



            --
            Regards

            Michael King
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 19:33:29 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:33:29 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com>

Mike attachments dont come through to the list.. so send via email privately
or post it in webshots etc... and we dont all hate you.. come on... BIG
SUNBEAM GROUP HUG :-p

On 9 September 2010 11:09, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:

> UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics)  I guess it is
> a
> Alpinton ...i must be the clone  guy ...and everybody hates me!
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
> To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM
>
>
> michael,
>    that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION !  remember that the tiger was just
> another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were
> also
> pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't
> the
> jenson line.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: michael king
>  To: bob webb
>  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
>
>
>  Bob,
>
>  I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the
> USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very
> average...
>
>
>  On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>     maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners
> prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we
> would
> have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right
> sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C
> and
> D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners.
>
>
>
>  --
>  Regards
>
>  Michael King
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>
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-- 
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Michael King

From e.coiner at cox.net  Wed Sep  8 20:24:09 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:24:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <88E05CDF0C8A40A1BEB981F89BBD516F@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <20100908222409.JSU0Y.792219.imail@fed1rmwml41>

I will be the first to confess I know almost nothing about Harrington Alpines so some of my following comments may be whack.
Please be gentle with your corrections.

Does anyone know what the VIN numbers of the Alpines  that were the basis of a Harrington?
I assume that somewhere in the records of the Harrington company that info resides or resided.

Assuming this to be true, Harrington's are analogous to the original 65, 66 Shelby Mustangs.
A standard Mustang was bought by Shelby, modified and sold.  
Is there a difference between a Shelby Mustang built by Shelby in 65  and a clone modified by an Enthusiast in the 70's 80's or today?
Well the VIN number of the underlying Mustang is one difference. In a well done clone, that might be the only difference.

Is there a difference in the desireablilty or value of these two vehicles?  Well DUH!!
Is there a difference in the behind the wheel experience.?  Not so much.


 


---- bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote: 
> this disagreement will never end! it seems that wherever we travel to, 
> someone always questions the authenticity of tigers. WHY? nobody ever 
> questions a rebodied harrington and they are a RARE sunbeam. nobody 
> questions a rebodied alpine. i never noticed this being discussed way back 
> in the 60's,70's or even the 80's. was it started by a select group that 
> were afraid someone was out to rip them off? i have been a sunbeam owner all 
> but 16 years of my life and i'm now 61. someone explain to me the real 
> reason behind having to prove that a tiger consists of the same alpine body 
> that was used to make the tiger. they all say SUNBEAM on the trunk. maybe we 
> harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners prove that all 
> 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would have to look 
> for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right sealer between 
> the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and D cars. WOW! 
> that would be a select group of owners.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Sencindiver" <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>
> To: <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
> 
> 
> > Post of the Day!     Thanks Duke.
> >
> > Jim Sencindiver
> >
> > B382100451/TAC 448
> >
> > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Take this off the board gentlemen.  I don't appreciate my inbox being
> >> populated with this personal attack crap.  You are acting like you drive
> >> Hondas.
> >>
> >> Duke
> >> B382002037
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tigers at autox.team.net
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 20:53:28 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:53:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
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Unclw Wally's Tiger had MK II whell well trim.
Wjy?  Because he liked it that
way.

The best reason possible.

Dave




________________________________
From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: mike schreiner
<mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010
9:33:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?

Mike attachments dont come through to
the list.. so send via email privately
or post it in webshots etc... and we
dont all hate you.. come on... BIG
SUNBEAM GROUP HUG :-p

On 9 September 2010
11:09, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:

> UH OH! I also have a
Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics)  I guess it is
> a
> Alpinton ...i must
be the clone  guy ...and everybody hates me!
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb
<bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: bob webb
<bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
> To: "michael
king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Date:
Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM
>
>
> michael,
>    that means
HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION !  remember that the tiger was just
> another mass
produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were
> also
> pulled
off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't
> the
>
jenson line.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: michael king
>  To: bob
webb
>  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06
PM
>  Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
>
>
>  Bob,
>
>  I dont think that could be
any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the
> USA.. but in AU we reffer to
people or things as "Hacks" if they are very
> average...
>
>
>  On 9
September 2010 09:31, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>   
maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners
> prove
that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we
> would
>
have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right
>
sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C
>
and
> D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners.
>
>
>
>  --
> 
Regards
>
>  Michael King
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 21:04:35 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:04:35 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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What worries me in these times of environmental change and the ever
increasing cost of petrol is how many tigers will have their transmission
tunnels cut out and removed so that owners can fit 1725cc SV alpine motors
and overdrive transmissons..

if these are done well enough we may never know that the car was once a
Tiger.. the owner will simply pass it off as an orginal alpine with
overdrive! Anyway.. i am going to get back to converting my early MKI leaf
spring cobra to AC Bristol spec.. :-)

On 9 September 2010 12:53, David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Unclw Wally's Tiger had MK II whell well trim.
> Wjy?  Because he liked it that way.
>
> The best reason possible.
>
> Dave
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> *To:* mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
>
> *Cc:* Tigers at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* Wed, September 8, 2010 9:33:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] ALger?
>
> Mike attachments dont come through to the list.. so send via email
> privately
> or post it in webshots etc... and we dont all hate you.. come on... BIG
> SUNBEAM GROUP HUG :-p
>
> On 9 September 2010 11:09, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics)  I guess it
> is
> > a
> > Alpinton ...i must be the clone  guy ...and everybody hates me!
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
> > To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM
> >
> >
> > michael,
> >    that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION !  remember that the tiger was
> just
> > another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were
> > also
> > pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just
> wasn't
> > the
> > jenson line.
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: michael king
> >  To: bob webb
> >  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> >  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
> >
> >
> >  Bob,
> >
> >  I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in
> the
> > USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very
> > average...
> >
> >
> >  On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >    maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners
> > prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we
> > would
> > have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the
> right
> > sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C
> > and
> > D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners.
> >
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  Regards
> >
> >  Michael King
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> of
> > HARDTOP 005.JPG]
> >
> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name
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> Michael King
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Sep  8 21:21:11 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
In-Reply-To: <88E05CDF0C8A40A1BEB981F89BBD516F@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <289868.59233.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com><20100908160031.0H4AI.247316.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
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Evidently, some folks are out to rip people off - otherwise you wouldn't see
Alpines with Tiger VIN's popriveted onto them.

When you buy a Tiger, you're buying a one-of-7000 car, and as Tom stated
eloquently, the product of some very non-linear thinking that could never be
replicated in today's automotive world. If the bodyshell is in nice shape,
then you pay a premium because it's more special that one of these rare
vehicles has gone the distance without being damaged or otherwise abused
somewhere in the last 45 years. But if that bodyshell is instead a
one-of-70,000 unit that has had Tiger specific stuff grafted onto it, then
it's not so special anymore, because it wasn't a product of that time or place
in the 60's that led to the Tiger's existence.

That's not to say that an Alpine with Tiger drivetrain can't be a very nice
car. It's just that nobody should buy one thinking that it's an original
Tiger. This is all that TAC is about - so you know that the chassis was built
that way by Rootes, Pressed Steel and Jensen, and not by the guy down the
street.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bob webb
> Sent: September 8, 2010 5:31 PM
> To: Jim Sencindiver; wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
>
> this disagreement will never end! it seems that wherever we travel to,
> someone always questions the authenticity of tigers. WHY? nobody ever
> questions a rebodied harrington and they are a RARE sunbeam. nobody
> questions a rebodied alpine. i never noticed this being discussed way
> back
> in the 60's,70's or even the 80's. was it started by a select group
> that
> were afraid someone was out to rip them off? i have been a sunbeam
> owner all


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From bomber44 at comcast.net  Wed Sep  8 21:46:53 2010
From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:46:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger?
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I was asked to look at the car at specialty autosales for a prospective buyer.
It is a very nice car, but accurately represented.





On Sep 6, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Stephen Waybright wrote:

> Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a
conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and
pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a
conversion?
>
> http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm
>
> Stephen Waybright
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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  8 22:05:28 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:05:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ALger?
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and still does!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David T Johnson" <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>; "mike schreiner" 
<mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?


> Unclw Wally's Tiger had MK II whell well trim.
> Wjy?  Because he liked it that
> way.
>
> The best reason possible.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> To: mike schreiner
> <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010
> 9:33:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
>
> Mike attachments dont come through to
> the list.. so send via email privately
> or post it in webshots etc... and we
> dont all hate you.. come on... BIG
> SUNBEAM GROUP HUG :-p
>
> On 9 September 2010
> 11:09, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> UH OH! I also have a
> Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics)  I guess it is
>> a
>> Alpinton ...i must
> be the clone  guy ...and everybody hates me!
>>
>> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb
> <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: bob webb
> <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
>> To: "michael
> king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>> Date:
> Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM
>>
>>
>> michael,
>>    that means
> HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION !  remember that the tiger was just
>> another mass
> produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were
>> also
>> pulled
> off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't
>> the
>>
> jenson line.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: michael king
>>  To: bob
> webb
>>  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06
> PM
>>  Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger?
>>
>>
>>  Bob,
>>
>>  I dont think that could be
> any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the
>> USA.. but in AU we reffer to
> people or things as "Hacks" if they are very
>> average...
>>
>>
>>  On 9
> September 2010 09:31, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>>
> maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners
>> prove
> that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we
>> would
>>
> have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right
>>
> sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C
>>
> and
>> D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners.
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
> Regards
>>
>>  Michael King
>> _______________________________________________
>>
> Tigers at autox.team.net
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> 005.JPG]
>>
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From AndersonB at sacda.org  Thu Sep  9 09:43:17 2010
From: AndersonB at sacda.org (Anderson. Bruce (DA))
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 13 Inch Tire Source
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I've got Toyo R888 205 60-13's on my 65 Tiger. So far they handle great
and look good.

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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Thu Sep  9 09:51:34 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:51:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 13 Inch Tire Source
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What size rims are you running? Any rubbing?
 
 
In a message dated 9/9/2010 8:45:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
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Toyo  R888 205 60-13's 

From mai65tai at sonic.net  Thu Sep  9 13:24:15 2010
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:24:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping
Message-ID: <000e01cb5054$9788f000$c69ad000$@net>

Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping.

During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the
accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached to the
floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small Grade 8
bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard enough to get it
to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have to
reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position.



Thanks in advance for any ideas.



Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are going?



John Stithem

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 13:39:20 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:39:20 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping
In-Reply-To: <000e01cb5054$9788f000$c69ad000$@net>
Message-ID: <20100909193920.YF5W5.256318.root@hrndva-web04-z02>

I had the same issue.  It is fixed now.

If you remove the pedal from the shaft, you will see that there is a cut out
that decreases in size of the opening when you tighten the bolt which crimps
the pedal to the throttle shaft.  Mine was just about completely closed when
tightened.  I cut some material of off one side which allows the opening to
close further.  Additionally I cut groves across the clamping face to make
b
teethb
 that would bite into the shaft.  I also replaced the bolt because
it was bent.  Now a gorilla canbt get the pedal to slip on the shaft.

Also, make sure that the floor stop is there and properly adjusted.  That way,
at WOT, you are not putting undue stress on the pedal and throttle linkage.

HTH's

Duke
B382002037



---- John Stithem <mai65tai at sonic.net> wrote:
> Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping.
>
> During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the
> accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached to
the
> floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small Grade 8
> bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard enough to get
it
> to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have to
> reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>
>
>
> Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are going?
>
>
>
> John Stithem
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Sep  9 14:05:49 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:05:49 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping
Message-ID: <26b28.77fd6dbd.39ba981d@aol.com>

You guys must really tromp down on that pedal !   My guess is that the 
pedal and stop are not adjusted correctly. In other words,  the carb reaches its 
stop and the pedal hasn't.  Push a little harder and  the bracket slips on 
the shaft.
Or you have got some really, really tough return  springs on that carb.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/9/2010 3:39:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

I had  the same issue.  It is fixed now.

If you remove the pedal from the  shaft, you will see that there is a cut 
out
that decreases in size of the  opening when you tighten the bolt which 
crimps
the pedal to the throttle  shaft.  Mine was just about completely closed 
when
tightened.  I  cut some material of off one side which allows the opening to
close  further.  Additionally I cut groves across the clamping face to  make
bteethb that would bite into the shaft.  I also replaced the  bolt because
it was bent.  Now a gorilla canbt get the pedal to slip  on the shaft.

Also, make sure that the floor stop is there and properly  adjusted.  That 
way,
at WOT, you are not putting undue stress on the  pedal and throttle  
linkage.

HTH's

Duke
B382002037



---- John  Stithem <mai65tai at sonic.net> wrote:
> Anyone have a good way of  keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping.
>
> During hard  acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the
> accelerator  pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached to
the
>  floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small Grade  
8
> bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard enough  to get
it
> to work for daily driving. I find after each run while  racingI have to
> reach down and pull the pedal back up into the  correct position.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any  ideas.
>
>
>
> Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 =  weeks----how many Tigers are going?
>
>
>
> John  Stithem
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  9 14:26:22 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:26:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Wilwood at SUNI last year
Message-ID: <887549.11864.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At SUNI last year, there was a gentleman from south, I think of Indianapolis and he worked for Wilwood. He had a beautiful Alger that was as fast as it was good looking. I wish my Tiger looked as good as his Alger and too, I had Wilwood brakes all the way around. Another member needs to get in touch with this member but I cant locate his card. He left cards and Wilwood brakes in the parts room and stayed at a motel not far from the one the banquet was held at. Its tough getting old, as my friend Mike and I ate dinner with him and his wife and I will be darn if I can recall his name. If anyone kept his card, please post his contact information or send me an email off list, so I can assist the gentleman wanting to purchase Wilwood brakes.Thanks in advance.
Tony Lang (TtT)

From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Sep  9 15:29:48 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (jliny5)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:29:48 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] 13 Inch Tire Source
Message-ID: <2132297218-1284067769-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1107159243-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Cosmic 5.5 wheels...205/60x13 tiress...No rubbing.

Jim Lindner


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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13 Inch Tire Source
Sent: Sep 9, 2010 11:51 AM

What size rims are you running? Any rubbing?
 
 
In a message dated 9/9/2010 8:45:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
AndersonB at sacda.org writes:

Toyo  R888 205 60-13's 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep  9 15:54:23 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:54:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping
In-Reply-To: <20100909193920.YF5W5.256318.root@hrndva-web04-z02>
Message-ID: <E66B1001C7FB4E41AC9199366CD7073B@ronpc1>

Duke
	Excellent reply.  I have always just recommended cutting the slot
bigger to get more clamp force.  I did not think about knurling the shaft.
I like that idea.

	Knurling the shaft is the term generally used for making grooves in
the shaft.   Knurling does not cut the metal it rolls the pattern into the
metal.  This work hardens the metal or it should work harden the metal;
which should give a harder and better surface to clamp on.

	You would probably need a gap bed lathe or a manual tool if they
exist for this job.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:39 PM
To: John Stithem; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping


I had the same issue.  It is fixed now.

If you remove the pedal from the shaft, you will see that there is a cut out
that decreases in size of the opening when you tighten the bolt which crimps
the pedal to the throttle shaft.  Mine was just about completely closed when
tightened.  I cut some material of off one side which allows the opening to
close further.  Additionally I cut groves across the clamping face to make
bteethb that would bite into the shaft.  I also replaced the bolt because
it was bent.  Now a gorilla canbt get the pedal to slip on the shaft.

Also, make sure that the floor stop is there and properly adjusted.  That
way, at WOT, you are not putting undue stress on the pedal and throttle
linkage.

HTH's

Duke
B382002037



---- John Stithem <mai65tai at sonic.net> wrote:
> Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping.
>
> During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the
> accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached
> to
the
> floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small
> Grade 8 bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard
> enough to get
it
> to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have
> to reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>
>
>
> Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are
> going?
>
>
>
> John Stithem
> _______________________________________________
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From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Thu Sep  9 16:05:08 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question
Message-ID: <4C895A14.3010008@cs.com>

  Thanks to the folks who helped with recent alternator question.  I 
settled on a Denso #210-0107 off of a '86 Toyota 4 Runner.  It's pretty 
compact, has an internal regulator, an idiot light terminal and the 
right pulley.  I already made up my brackets and have it mounted and 
ready to go.  My question now is about the wiring for this unit.  Has 
anyone used this particular unit?  I pretty much understand the wiring 
per Theo's previous postings, but this unit has no markings on the 
terminals.  It has a large terminal (pretty obvious what this is) and 
three small ones.  I assume one is the idiot light, one is the exciter 
(switched 12v) and the third could be a ground?  In any case, there are 
no markings.  Has anyone else used one of these and have a clue on the 
terminal arrangement?

Thanks- Randy
-- 

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Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep  9 17:05:29 2010
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:05:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question
In-Reply-To: <4C895A14.3010008@cs.com>
References: <4C895A14.3010008@cs.com>
Message-ID: <6C9D109419EA41A09CDC2AF96E3BA31E@ROSS>

Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question

Randy,

Look closely at the pin housing.  One should be L (idiot light), one should
be Ig (ignition switched power), and one should be P (pulsed).  I have not
tried P but its purpose is pulsing for the tachometer. 

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse

 
  Thanks to the folks who helped with recent alternator question.  I 
settled on a Denso #210-0107 off of a '86 Toyota 4 Runner.  It's pretty 
compact, has an internal regulator, an idiot light terminal and the 
right pulley.  I already made up my brackets and have it mounted and 
ready to go.  My question now is about the wiring for this unit.  Has 
anyone used this particular unit?  I pretty much understand the wiring 
per Theo's previous postings, but this unit has no markings on the 
terminals.  It has a large terminal (pretty obvious what this is) and 
three small ones.  I assume one is the idiot light, one is the exciter 
(switched 12v) and the third could be a ground?  In any case, there are 
no markings.  Has anyone else used one of these and have a clue on the 
terminal arrangement?

Thanks- Randy

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 17:34:11 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:34:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping
In-Reply-To: <E66B1001C7FB4E41AC9199366CD7073B@ronpc1>
References: <20100909193920.YF5W5.256318.root@hrndva-web04-z02>
	<E66B1001C7FB4E41AC9199366CD7073B@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <001001cb5077$81ddd400$85997c00$@rr.com>

Thanks to you Ron,

I was a bit unclear in my post.  I cut the groves in the clamping area of
the pedal bracket.  I did not touch the shaft other then cleaning it up.
This, I believe, allows the pedal bracket to bite into the throttle shaft.

I used a Dremel to do the job.

Hope that is a little clearer.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:54 PM
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; 'John Stithem'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping

Duke
	Excellent reply.  I have always just recommended cutting the slot
bigger to get more clamp force.  I did not think about knurling the shaft.
I like that idea.

	Knurling the shaft is the term generally used for making grooves in
the shaft.   Knurling does not cut the metal it rolls the pattern into the
metal.  This work hardens the metal or it should work harden the metal;
which should give a harder and better surface to clamp on.

	You would probably need a gap bed lathe or a manual tool if they
exist for this job.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:39 PM
To: John Stithem; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping


I had the same issue.  It is fixed now.

If you remove the pedal from the shaft, you will see that there is a cut out
that decreases in size of the opening when you tighten the bolt which crimps
the pedal to the throttle shaft.  Mine was just about completely closed when
tightened.  I cut some material of off one side which allows the opening to
close further.  Additionally I cut groves across the clamping face to make
bteethb that would bite into the shaft.  I also replaced the bolt because
it was bent.  Now a gorilla canbt get the pedal to slip on the shaft.

Also, make sure that the floor stop is there and properly adjusted.  That
way, at WOT, you are not putting undue stress on the pedal and throttle
linkage.

HTH's

Duke
B382002037



---- John Stithem <mai65tai at sonic.net> wrote:
> Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping.
>
> During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the
> accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached
> to
the
> floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small
> Grade 8 bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard
> enough to get
it
> to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have
> to reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>
>
>
> Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are
> going?
>
>
>
> John Stithem
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 10 06:00:38 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] member needing Wilwood brake info
Message-ID: <430483.31385.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I recently offered to help a List member help in locating a gent who sells 
Wilwood brakes for Tigers. I now have the information BUT I cant find his email. 
I do have class most of today but if you will respond, I will get you the 
contact information after class this evening.
regards, Tony Lang(TtT)

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Sep 10 07:42:32 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:42:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question
In-Reply-To: <6C9D109419EA41A09CDC2AF96E3BA31E@ROSS>
References: <4C895A14.3010008@cs.com> <6C9D109419EA41A09CDC2AF96E3BA31E@ROSS>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059694C79B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

If you cut a piece of the original harness (to get the connector) then the
color coding of the wires can help you since Toyota used standard coloring for
most of their harnesses. A white with black stripe wire would be ground IIRC.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross
> Sent: September 9, 2010 5:05 PM
> To: 'Randy Smith'; 'Tiger List Serve'
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question
>
> Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question
>
> Randy,
>
> Look closely at the pin housing.  One should be L (idiot light), one
> should
> be Ig (ignition switched power), and one should be P (pulsed).  I have
> not
> tried P but its purpose is pulsing for the tachometer.
>
> Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
>
>
>   Thanks to the folks who helped with recent alternator question.  I
> settled on a Denso #210-0107 off of a '86 Toyota 4 Runner.  It's pretty
> compact, has an internal regulator, an idiot light terminal and the
> right pulley.  I already made up my brackets and have it mounted and
> ready to go.  My question now is about the wiring for this unit.  Has
> anyone used this particular unit?  I pretty much understand the wiring
> per Theo's previous postings, but this unit has no markings on the
> terminals.  It has a large terminal (pretty obvious what this is) and
> three small ones.  I assume one is the idiot light, one is the exciter
> (switched 12v) and the third could be a ground?  In any case, there are
> no markings.  Has anyone else used one of these and have a clue on the
> terminal arrangement?
>
> Thanks- Randy
> _______________________________________________
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From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Fri Sep 10 08:09:04 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:09:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059694C79B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
References: <4C895A14.3010008@cs.com> <6C9D109419EA41A09CDC2AF96E3BA31E@ROSS>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059694C79B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <4C8A3C00.10608@cs.com>

  Thanks for all the help.  Of course, I don't have the plug from the 
original harness nor is my alternator marked, but I finally tracked down 
an excellent reference on the net.  Check out page 5 which has a very 
clear picture of the terminals, although the description appears to be a 
little different for some reason.  I have been able to re-confirm the 
picture on two other sites, so I'm pretty confident that it's correct.  
Here's the link:

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h8.pdf

Thanks- Randy


On 9/10/2010 9:42 AM, Smit, Theo wrote:
> If you cut a piece of the original harness (to get the connector) then the
> color coding of the wires can help you since Toyota used standard coloring for
> most of their harnesses. A white with black stripe wire would be ground IIRC.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross
>> Sent: September 9, 2010 5:05 PM
>> To: 'Randy Smith'; 'Tiger List Serve'
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question
>>
>> Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question
>>
>> Randy,
>>
>> Look closely at the pin housing.  One should be L (idiot light), one
>> should
>> be Ig (ignition switched power), and one should be P (pulsed).  I have
>> not
>> tried P but its purpose is pulsing for the tachometer.
>>
>> Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
>>
>>
>>    Thanks to the folks who helped with recent alternator question.  I
>> settled on a Denso #210-0107 off of a '86 Toyota 4 Runner.  It's pretty
>> compact, has an internal regulator, an idiot light terminal and the
>> right pulley.  I already made up my brackets and have it mounted and
>> ready to go.  My question now is about the wiring for this unit.  Has
>> anyone used this particular unit?  I pretty much understand the wiring
>> per Theo's previous postings, but this unit has no markings on the
>> terminals.  It has a large terminal (pretty obvious what this is) and
>> three small ones.  I assume one is the idiot light, one is the exciter
>> (switched 12v) and the third could be a ground?  In any case, there are
>> no markings.  Has anyone else used one of these and have a clue on the
>> terminal arrangement?
>>
>> Thanks- Randy
>
-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Sep 10 08:35:15 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question
In-Reply-To: <4C8A3C00.10608@cs.com>
References: <4C895A14.3010008@cs.com> <6C9D109419EA41A09CDC2AF96E3BA31E@ROSS>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059694C79B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<4C8A3C00.10608@cs.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059694C7B7@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

>From the description of the terminal connections it looks like you should be
connecting the third terminal to a permanent 12V connection, and there would
be no damage done if you miswired it temporarily(but the charge light wouldn't
come on, and it might not charge).

My Toyota alternator is the leftmost one of the three shown on page 12.

For a 60 amp alternator, you could run two 10 gauge wires in parallel, which
is what I'm doing, or else run a single 8 gauge wire. My 10-gauge wires just
run to the big battery cable at the starter solenoid, so they don't have far
to go.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randy Smith
> Sent: September 10, 2010 8:09 AM
> To: Smit, Theo
> Cc: 'Tiger List Serve'
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question
>
>   Thanks for all the help.  Of course, I don't have the plug from the
> original harness nor is my alternator marked, but I finally tracked
> down
> an excellent reference on the net.  Check out page 5 which has a very
> clear picture of the terminals, although the description appears to be
> a
> little different for some reason.  I have been able to re-confirm the
> picture on two other sites, so I'm pretty confident that it's correct.
> Here's the link:
>
> http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h8.pdf
>
> Thanks- Randy


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From hokey at oasisol.com  Fri Sep 10 13:37:15 2010
From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:37:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
References: <2008fd.24674909.39b41860@aol.com>
	<001101cb4c83$889e8cf0$0a020a0a@iggy>
	<D821DE9792D341488DB32D00B7D10503@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <000d01cb511f$92829ae0$0a020a0a@iggy>

Mr. Trippel - No, you are not confused and you shouldn't be.  You should be
fully aware of the events that have taken place and actions by individuals
that have been involved.  In case you need to refresh your memory, I highly
recommend that you read the "Suspension History" tab on www.Toyzjunkie.com
that spells out the facts and a brief timeline of what has transpired
concerning the initial design and development of my crossmember.  Perhaps
certain people need to take a good look in the mirror and re-evaluate what is
permitted to be distributed in relevant publications.  The facts on this page
speak for themselves and it was apparent that I needed to speak out and set
the record straight.  I am done dealing with you concerning this subject.

Mike Hokanson
Northern Nevada


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Buck Trippel
  To: Mike Hokanson ; CoolVT at aol.com
  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 4:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion



  Mike,
  I'm confused. You wrote to the list you about 2 years ago that you were
  ending your crossmember project.

  Are you taking orders again?

  Buck Trippel

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 14:02:03 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:02:03 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
In-Reply-To: <000d01cb511f$92829ae0$0a020a0a@iggy>
Message-ID: <20100910200204.TCV9H.262317.root@hrndva-web18-z01>

WTH Tiger List?

This is a real kick in the nuts to learn what has happened here.  I have heard some rumblings over the years about "groups" of Tiger owners and how you are either in or out.

Having met many great guys at SUNI, I find this very surprising.

Dale, what say you?

Duke
B382002037 



---- Mike Hokanson <hokey at oasisol.com> wrote: 
> Mr. Trippel - No, you are not confused and you shouldn't be.  You should be
> fully aware of the events that have taken place and actions by individuals
> that have been involved.  In case you need to refresh your memory, I highly
> recommend that you read the "Suspension History" tab on www.Toyzjunkie.com
> that spells out the facts and a brief timeline of what has transpired
> concerning the initial design and development of my crossmember.  Perhaps
> certain people need to take a good look in the mirror and re-evaluate what is
> permitted to be distributed in relevant publications.  The facts on this page
> speak for themselves and it was apparent that I needed to speak out and set
> the record straight.  I am done dealing with you concerning this subject.
> 
> Mike Hokanson
> Northern Nevada
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Buck Trippel
>   To: Mike Hokanson ; CoolVT at aol.com
>   Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>   Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 4:41 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion
> 
> 
> 
>   Mike,
>   I'm confused. You wrote to the list you about 2 years ago that you were
>   ending your crossmember project.
> 
>   Are you taking orders again?
> 
>   Buck Trippel
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 10 14:34:25 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Djoh797014 has moved
Message-ID: <616807.83457.qm@web111608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Due to loss of job and financial constraints, I have moved
to a cheaper
placed..  Its a senior complex an full of old
people using walkers.  Most of
the rseidents appear to
be in their 70's nut are actually just retired (65+). 
God I hope
I don't look like that in the next 10 years. 

The grey pathers are
alive. 

Quite a stirs when my son pulled up in his Fast an Furious Honda.
Wait'll they hear my Tiger pull up.  Maybe I'll uncork the dump tubes 
on the
LAT headers.  For now work is progressing on fixing my car.  
Now  that I'm
not working, maybe I'll have time..just no money.

My new address is    940
Wild Indigo Lane - Ste 118

still Indianapolis, IN  46227
still same phone: 
317-859-1974
still the same cell:  630-301-4749
still the same email: 
Djoh797014 at aol.com

Dave - a grey panther????

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 10 19:44:06 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:44:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Why I care
In-Reply-To: <4C881397.3080004@comcast.net>
References: <4C881397.3080004@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <08B42DB0-6A92-4FA3-A41C-CC58DE77B47E@yahoo.com>

AMEN


On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Tom Hall wrote:

> This message is in response to a recent question on this forum about who 
> cares what a VIN Tag is applied to. This _personal_ statement by me, is 
> designed to answer the question and should not be considered a personnel 
> attack on any individual.
> 
> I care! And for some reason, I feel compelled after due thought, to 
> respond to this inquiry on this forum.  Sorry, ahead of time, to those 
> of you that don't care for the continuation of this touchy subject.
> 
> Normally I stay out of discussions involving the STOA TAC program and 
> VIN transfer, but some Marque enthusiasts seem to have little regard for 
> applicable laws and other reasonable conventions. I met Ian Garrad in 
> the late 60's after his separation from Chrysler. From that time until 
> his untimely death, he was a personal friend of mine and I am honored to 
> own a few examples of the special vehicles he essentially created. I 
> have no problem with the assembly of a replica of this design. I do have 
> a problem when an individual feels justified in applying a VIN Tag from 
> a Tiger to a replica.
> 
> To many of us owners that feel that Tigers are "something a little 
> special", this is more than a little offensive and regardless of recent 
> rants to the contrary, likely illegal in most states. A lot of this has 
> to do with what I'd call "intent". Once you remove the rivets from one 
> chassis and knowingly move the VIN Tag to another and replace the 
> rivets, this becomes "an intent to defraud". This is _not_ repair and 
> restoration. One can make all the claims one wants about how "Norm" and 
> everybody else in the Tiger world were informed. The vehicle ID 
> "applied" stands on it's own.
> 
> That's exactly what's going on here in California, in my town, with a 
> similar replica. What's going on is that someone else did what was 
> suggested, moved the Tiger VIN to a new chassis, and now a lot of people 
> want to know why this is not a Tiger, because to most observers it 
> appears to be a Tiger, complete with a Tiger VIN. I am very familiar 
> with this car as it was an early challenge to our TAC program. So here 
> we are, almost 20 years later facing the same problem. The owner has 
> confirmed to inquiries, that it is not a "real" Tiger, but it is so 
> labeled by it's VIN and he's clearly asking Tiger level dollars. It's 
> never going to get a TAC sticker because we (the collective Tiger 
> Authentication Committee) can't identify the chassis as a Pressed 
> Steel/Jensen product.
> 
> So this is why I care, and why other owners and potential owners care, 
> and in most cases, the government cares. The proper way to identify a 
> replica Tiger is to leave the Alpine VIN in place or at least get a 
> state issued ID that identifies the true origin of the chassis. To do 
> otherwise is just plain wrong. The prevention of this misidentification 
> was the basis of the development of the STOA TAC program many years ago. 
> We hope that this program has made a difference in how the public 
> perceives this Marque, by helping protect it from fraud. Saving an 
> otherwise damaged or destroyed example of the Marque by moving the VIN 
> to another chassis is not an OK activity in our world. We have 
> Authenticated over 10% of the original production of Tigers at this 
> point, all over the world, almost 50 years after production was 
> initiated. As anyone can clearly see, our work is clearly ongoing.

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Sep 11 16:04:05 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:04:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com>
	<867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>

Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
Tach.

A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended up
using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.


Check links for pictures.

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg 

Thanks again Paul... and Jim!

Duke
B382002037

From jim at island.net  Sat Sep 11 17:10:22 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 16:10:22 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com><867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <239F8AB8B2544230B18CE8150FB4BB09@JIMPC>

Hey Duke

That's about perfect !! 
Glad we took the time to fit the rest of the Jaeger 'bits' on there... 
Can't wait for my extra faces to arrive...

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wsamouce
Sent: September 11, 2010 3:04 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
Tach.

A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended up
using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.


Check links for pictures.

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg 

Thanks again Paul... and Jim!

Duke
B382002037
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sat Sep 11 17:23:02 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:23:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] TIGER
Message-ID: <cf8f.539bfd7d.39bd6956@aol.com>

_http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/1948609318.html_ 
(http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/1948609318.html) 
 
It's on Craigs list not mine 

From awtiger at cox.net  Sat Sep 11 21:59:52 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:59:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com><867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <F613D4137E324F3CAE5E10B46F0E0B15@awtigerPC>

Wow, Duke!!!!  That's very nicely executed!!!  I think you just invented the 
"LAT-22A" tach!!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wsamouce" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach


> Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
> Tach.
>
> A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended 
> up
> using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
>
>
> Check links for pictures.
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
>
> Thanks again Paul... and Jim!
>
> Duke
> B382002037
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 12 04:28:48 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 03:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <638677.37924.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For those who dont know Paul, his work is above approac and he strives for
perfection. I'm pleased with all dealing Ive had with Paul. He does excellent
work for a better than fair price. I can't wait to get my name on his list- if
anyone knows HOW, please have me addedto  his list- Paul I will send you an
Alpine tach.THANKS, Tony Lang  

--- On Sat, 9/11/10, wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:


From: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 5:04 PM


Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
Tach.

A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended up
using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.


Check links for pictures.

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg

Thanks again Paul... and Jim!

Duke
B382002037
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 12 18:28:39 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:28:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <F613D4137E324F3CAE5E10B46F0E0B15@awtigerPC>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com><867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
	<F613D4137E324F3CAE5E10B46F0E0B15@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <671012.48958.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The LAT 22 Tach is not a converted Alpine Tach.
Look at the sales brochure for
the LAT 22 Tach
on Tigers Unitd.  The serial numbers on the bottom
of the tach
are not Aline.  Also to the jewels that
are in the Tach face.  They were from
the Brit car
it was based on.  Proabaly used for the OD light
and high beam.
Just leave it to a concurs knowledgable judge to
point out the issus.  10
demerits for having a
fake LAT 22.

The Chicago Brit Car Fest ahd over 542+
cars
show up.  The weather was perfect.  10 Tigers
and Alpines ahowed.  The
usual suspects plus
one form a member of Paul Carlstadt's
Chicago Sunbeam Car
Club.  I hadn't seen him
in 30 years.

Most interesting.. a 1926 4.5 Liter
blown Bentley
just like Steed and Mrs Peel used.  

Dave
________________________________
From: awtiger <awtiger at cox.net>
To: wsamouce
<wsamouce at kc.rr.com>; Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010
11:59:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

Wow, Duke!!!! 
That's very nicely executed!!!  I think you just invented the 
"LAT-22A"
tach!!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

----- Original Message -----
From: "wsamouce" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra
Tach


> Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
>
Tach.
> 
> A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We
ended up
> using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
> 
> 
>
Check links for pictures.
> 
>
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
> 
>
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
> 
> Thanks again
Paul... and Jim!
> 
> Duke
> B382002037
>
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 12 18:34:24 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:34:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Say it aint so Joe!
Message-ID: <A666F381624F42EBA2CF4CF83893BCA5@jeffnicholsPC>

"Then a little over a year ago Dale A. tried the same task and he came up 
with the same conclusion that Brent had: It can't be done properly in a 
Tiger. This lead Dale to start with a clean sheet of paper which lead to his

new suspension that Rob G wrote about a week or so ago."

 

"The car drives dramatically different... easy to steer and tracks like a
dream.  It drives and handles like a late model sports car now.  I am really
impressed with his design and how well it works, and everyone who drives my
car agrees.
 
If you really want to unlock the potential of the car, you might consider
this
new crossmember design and remember you can allows unbolt it and return the
car to stock configuration."
 
 
"Mr. Trippel - No, you are not confused and you shouldn't be.  You should be
fully aware of the events that have taken place and actions by individuals
that have been involved.  In case you need to refresh your memory, I highly
recommend that you read the "Suspension History" tab on www.Toyzjunkie.com
that spells out the facts and a brief timeline of what has transpired
concerning the initial design and development of my crossmember.
"
 
 
After reading Bob Hokanson's email and looking at his web site, I wondered
what in the hell he was talking about.   That is until I came across the
above emails from the last several months concerning front suspensions for
the Tiger.  The authors can recognize their own words.   At best, this
reflects badly on certain well known members of the Tiger community.  At
worst, the only conclusion you can draw is to involve a lawyer and copyright
every thing you do that is innovative.  In either case, it is a very sad
commentary on a small group of people.
 
 
 
 
                                                      Jeff

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Sun Sep 12 20:37:24 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:37:24 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Say it aint so Joe!
Message-ID: <4037b.124be9ca.39bee864@aol.com>

Jeff, I haven't followed this thread, so forgive me if I'm going off on a  
completely wrong tangent, but are you suggesting that someone, somehow would 
 have been able to copyright an aftermarket, Tiger crossmember/wishbone  
suspension with more advantageous geometry and higher grade components than  
our cars were delivered with?
 
I don't think so. It isn't as if any of the folks mentioned below did  
anything more than crib off of widely utilized concepts. To say anything  
"innovative" has gone on with any of the crossmember designs is kind of  hard to 
validate...maybe some sound engineering, but nothing that could be seen  as 
unique. I'm not taking anything away from any of the folks that have put in  
the time with the calculation, design and fabrication, I have the greatest  
respect for their abilities.
 
Look to the Mustang performance world, with Griggs, Maximum Motorsports,  
and a bunch of second, and first, rate knock offs of the same basic designs  
for an obvious example. There is no way to copyright proven design that has  
simply been transferred to a new application.
 
Again, if I'm going down the wrong path, I apologize. I just can't keep up  
with all the stuff on the Tiger list!
 
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 9/12/2010 5:34:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes:

"Then a  little over a year ago Dale A. tried the same task and he came up 
with the  same conclusion that Brent had: It can't be done properly in a 
Tiger. This  lead Dale to start with a clean sheet of paper which lead to 
his

new  suspension that Rob G wrote about a week or so ago."



"The car  drives dramatically different... easy to steer and tracks like  a
dream.  It drives and handles like a late model sports car  now.  I am 
really
impressed with his design and how well it works, and  everyone who drives my
car agrees.

If you really want to unlock the  potential of the car, you might consider
this
new crossmember design and  remember you can allows unbolt it and return the
car to stock  configuration."


"Mr. Trippel - No, you are not confused and you  shouldn't be.  You should 
be
fully aware of the events that have taken  place and actions by individuals
that have been involved.  In case you  need to refresh your memory, I highly
recommend that you read the  "Suspension History" tab on www.Toyzjunkie.com
that spells out the facts  and a brief timeline of what has transpired
concerning the initial design  and development of my crossmember.
"


After reading Bob  Hokanson's email and looking at his web site, I wondered
what in the hell  he was talking about.   That is until I came across the
above  emails from the last several months concerning front suspensions for
the  Tiger.  The authors can recognize their own words.   At best,  this
reflects badly on certain well known members of the Tiger  community.  At
worst, the only conclusion you can draw is to involve a  lawyer and 
copyright
every thing you do that is innovative.  In either  case, it is a very sad
commentary on a small group of  people.




Jeff
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Sep 13 06:23:17 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:23:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <671012.48958.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com><867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
	<F613D4137E324F3CAE5E10B46F0E0B15@awtigerPC>
	<671012.48958.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb533e$726831e0$573895a0$@rr.com>

"Just leave it to a concurs knowledgeable judge to

point out the issues.  10 demerits for having a

fake LAT 22."

 

You are kidding right?  There are no "issues" with my tach and it is not a
fake LAT 22.  I wanted a tach that WORKS and is a match to the rest of the
instruments.

 

I could give a rats ass about concourse judging.

 

Duke

B382002037

 

From: David T Johnson [mailto:djoh797014 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM
To: awtiger; wsamouce; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

 

The LAT 22 Tach is not a converted Alpine Tach.

Look at the sales brochure for the LAT 22 Tach

on Tigers Unitd.  The serial numbers on the bottom

of the tach are not Aline.  Also to the jewels that

are in the Tach face.  They were from the Brit car

it was based on.  Proabaly used for the OD light

and high beam.

 

Just leave it to a concurs knowledgable judge to

point out the issus.  10 demerits for having a

fake LAT 22.

 

The Chicago Brit Car Fest ahd over 542+ cars

show up.  The weather was perfect.  10 Tigers

and Alpines ahowed.  The usual suspects plus

one form a member of Paul Carlstadt's

Chicago Sunbeam Car Club.  I hadn't seen him

in 30 years.

 

Most interesting.. a 1926 4.5 Liter blown Bentley

just like Steed and Mrs Peel used.  

 

Dave

 

  _____  

From: awtiger <awtiger at cox.net>
To: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>; Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 11:59:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

Wow, Duke!!!!  That's very nicely executed!!!  I think you just invented the
"LAT-22A" tach!!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach


> Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
> Tach.
> 
> A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended
up
> using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
> 
> 
> Check links for pictures.
> 
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
> 
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
> 
> Thanks again Paul... and Jim!
> 
> Duke
> B382002037
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 06:42:52 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:42:52 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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looks great!
someone should sell them ready made.

but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k?

i have my rev limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach.  i just know roughly
where the needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so
used to the sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to
look at the tach.  but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked
right for 8k, i would do so.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:

> Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
> Tach.
>
> A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended up
> using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
>
>
> Check links for pictures.
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
>
> Thanks again Paul... and Jim!
>
> Duke
> B382002037
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Sep 13 07:37:31 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 9:37:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <000001cb533e$726831e0$573895a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20100913093731.VSMEK.1801316.imail@eastrmwml31>

Yeah, at first I thought the same thing, Duke.  Surely he's kidding...it's hard to tell on the Internet sometimes, though.  Some people take this stuff waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.

All comments aside, the tach looks great.  It sure beats the hell out of using hose clamps to attach an aftermarket unit to the steering column just to have a higher-reading tach!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

---- wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote: 
> "Just leave it to a concurs knowledgeable judge to
> 
> point out the issues.  10 demerits for having a
> 
> fake LAT 22."
> 
>  
> 
> You are kidding right?  There are no "issues" with my tach and it is not a
> fake LAT 22.  I wanted a tach that WORKS and is a match to the rest of the
> instruments.
> 
>  
> 
> I could give a rats ass about concourse judging.
> 
>  
> 
> Duke
> 
> B382002037
> 
>  
> 
> From: David T Johnson [mailto:djoh797014 at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM
> To: awtiger; wsamouce; Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> 
>  
> 
> The LAT 22 Tach is not a converted Alpine Tach.
> 
> Look at the sales brochure for the LAT 22 Tach
> 
> on Tigers Unitd.  The serial numbers on the bottom
> 
> of the tach are not Aline.  Also to the jewels that
> 
> are in the Tach face.  They were from the Brit car
> 
> it was based on.  Proabaly used for the OD light
> 
> and high beam.
> 
>  
> 
> Just leave it to a concurs knowledgable judge to
> 
> point out the issus.  10 demerits for having a
> 
> fake LAT 22.
> 
>  
> 
> The Chicago Brit Car Fest ahd over 542+ cars
> 
> show up.  The weather was perfect.  10 Tigers
> 
> and Alpines ahowed.  The usual suspects plus
> 
> one form a member of Paul Carlstadt's
> 
> Chicago Sunbeam Car Club.  I hadn't seen him
> 
> in 30 years.
> 
>  
> 
> Most interesting.. a 1926 4.5 Liter blown Bentley
> 
> just like Steed and Mrs Peel used.  
> 
>  
> 
> Dave
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: awtiger <awtiger at cox.net>
> To: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>; Tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 11:59:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> 
> Wow, Duke!!!!  That's very nicely executed!!!  I think you just invented the
> "LAT-22A" tach!!!!
> 
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> 
> 
> > Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
> > Tach.
> > 
> > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended
> up
> > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
> > 
> > 
> > Check links for pictures.
> > 
> > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
> > 
> > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
> > 
> > Thanks again Paul... and Jim!
> > 
> > Duke
> > B382002037
> > _______________________________________________
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From gabbardalex at att.net  Mon Sep 13 07:56:41 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:56:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Pink Tiger
In-Reply-To: <20100913093731.VSMEK.1801316.imail@eastrmwml31>
References: <20100913093731.VSMEK.1801316.imail@eastrmwml31>
Message-ID: <422828.46312.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know the fate of the Jo Collins Playmate of the Year (Aug. 1965) 
pink Tiger Mk I?

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Sep 13 08:08:59 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:08:59 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <20100913093731.VSMEK.1801316.imail@eastrmwml31>
Message-ID: <20100913140859.LNBDV.271777.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Additionally, the LAT 22 tach does not even match the other instruments.  Even if I had one, and it was accurate, I would not use it. 

Duke
B382002037



---- awtiger at cox.net wrote: 
> Yeah, at first I thought the same thing, Duke.  Surely he's kidding...it's hard to tell on the Internet sometimes, though.  Some people take this stuff waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
> 
> All comments aside, the tach looks great.  It sure beats the hell out of using hose clamps to attach an aftermarket unit to the steering column just to have a higher-reading tach!
> 
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> 
> ---- wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote: 
> > "Just leave it to a concurs knowledgeable judge to
> > 
> > point out the issues.  10 demerits for having a
> > 
> > fake LAT 22."
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > You are kidding right?  There are no "issues" with my tach and it is not a
> > fake LAT 22.  I wanted a tach that WORKS and is a match to the rest of the
> > instruments.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I could give a rats ass about concourse judging.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Duke
> > 
> > B382002037
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: David T Johnson [mailto:djoh797014 at yahoo.com] 
> > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM
> > To: awtiger; wsamouce; Tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > The LAT 22 Tach is not a converted Alpine Tach.
> > 
> > Look at the sales brochure for the LAT 22 Tach
> > 
> > on Tigers Unitd.  The serial numbers on the bottom
> > 
> > of the tach are not Aline.  Also to the jewels that
> > 
> > are in the Tach face.  They were from the Brit car
> > 
> > it was based on.  Proabaly used for the OD light
> > 
> > and high beam.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Just leave it to a concurs knowledgable judge to
> > 
> > point out the issus.  10 demerits for having a
> > 
> > fake LAT 22.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > The Chicago Brit Car Fest ahd over 542+ cars
> > 
> > show up.  The weather was perfect.  10 Tigers
> > 
> > and Alpines ahowed.  The usual suspects plus
> > 
> > one form a member of Paul Carlstadt's
> > 
> > Chicago Sunbeam Car Club.  I hadn't seen him
> > 
> > in 30 years.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Most interesting.. a 1926 4.5 Liter blown Bentley
> > 
> > just like Steed and Mrs Peel used.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: awtiger <awtiger at cox.net>
> > To: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>; Tigers at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 11:59:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> > 
> > Wow, Duke!!!!  That's very nicely executed!!!  I think you just invented the
> > "LAT-22A" tach!!!!
> > 
> > Andy Walker
> > Edmond, OK
> > B382001600LRXFE
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> > To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM
> > Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> > 
> > 
> > > Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> > > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
> > > Tach.
> > > 
> > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended
> > up
> > > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Check links for pictures.
> > > 
> > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
> > > 
> > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
> > > 
> > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim!
> > > 
> > > Duke
> > > B382002037
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Tigers at autox.team.net
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Sep 13 08:10:57 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 9:10:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinvYbWfCD4YAko40h9N0EwVKLgm1o1r1oxGU9TJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100913141057.AJ6TE.271788.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

No, I don't usually go above 5500.  The 6000 is for the 347 I am building.

Jim is thinking about makeing a few that are ready to go.

Duke
B382002037


---- Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote: 
> looks great!
> someone should sell them ready made.
> 
> but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k?
> 
> i have my rev limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach.  i just know roughly
> where the needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so
> used to the sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to
> look at the tach.  but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked
> right for 8k, i would do so.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
> > Tach.
> >
> > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We ended up
> > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
> >
> >
> > Check links for pictures.
> >
> > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
> >
> > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
> >
> > Thanks again Paul... and Jim!
> >
> > Duke
> > B382002037
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tigers at autox.team.net
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Sep 13 08:28:53 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:28:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Say it aint so Joe!
In-Reply-To: <4037b.124be9ca.39bee864@aol.com>
References: <4037b.124be9ca.39bee864@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059694C9DF@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I don't really want to wade into this trainwreck. But I notice that many of
the performance improvement or repair items we put on our Tigers have the
designer or seller's name attached to it. We have Dan Walters' traction arm.
Doug Jennings' fulcrum pins. Dale's Midget rack conversion. Three things about
that: It identifies the source of the part. It acknowledges the contribution
of the designer. And in some weird way, it establishes a pedigree for the
part.

The last thing bothers me a little. Because it implies that when you get your
stuff from someone else (or if you design your own) it's somehow not as good.
Or conversely, if you have two identical things and one is made by a little
known guy and the other is made by or sold through a well-known place, then
automatically the part from the well-known place is deemed to be better.

Front suspension design is a reasonably well-known art. Within a broad range
the requirement for caster, camber, and toe change as a function of suspension
travel can be made adjustable and you could have two fabricated suspensions
and crossmember designs that did nearly the same thing while having no common
roots (other than being designed to fit the same car). Sometimes the relative
timing of things is coincidental and the near-simultaneous emergence of two or
more similar products is more a result of coincidence and external forces than
of direct competition between two designers.

However, in this case the chronology of things puts Hokanson's suspension
first. That may have served as inspiration for Dale's product, or maybe more
than that, but outside of direct knowledge of how each design was arrived at
(do they have the same A-arm design and mountings? Is the crossmember built in
the same way? Is the spindle design the same? Who has the original CAD
simulation work to back up their claims?) it's hard (for me) to say whether
Dale's crossmember should be regarded as a copy or as a parallel design.

All I can say is it's dumb that we should even need to have this thread on the
mailing list. United we stand, and all that. Give credit where it's due.

Cheers,
Theo

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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 13 08:54:46 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:54:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinvYbWfCD4YAko40h9N0EwVKLgm1o1r1oxGU9TJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com>
	<867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com>
	<AANLkTinvYbWfCD4YAko40h9N0EwVKLgm1o1r1oxGU9TJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42932.70641.qm@web111603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

True Story

John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype 
John
sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone 
take the cars for
a weekend.  Soon they were being erturned with 
notes: "engine runs rough. 
Miss in Engine. Etc'  The Rootes realized the
problem and added a warning to
the cars. 'This is an American V-8.  
DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine
4 cyl.

As to the lister who commented about concurs.  I the list has
issues
with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues
apply here.  Put any tach
you want in your car, But don't
call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. 
LAT 22 systle is OK.
Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option  jsut
like Ken Bishop's MK II

Dave

 



________________________________
From:
Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
To: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Cc:
Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

looks great!
someone should sell them
ready made.

but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k?

i have my rev
limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach.  i just know roughly
where the
needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so
used to the
sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to
look at the
tach.  but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked
right for 8k, i
would do so.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
wrote:

> Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
>
Tach.
>
> A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We
ended up
> using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
>
>
>
Check links for pictures.
>
>
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
>
>
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
>
> Thanks again
Paul... and Jim!
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>
_______________________________________________
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>
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jim at island.net  Mon Sep 13 09:10:52 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:10:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <42932.70641.qm@web111603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com><867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com><AANLkTinvYbWfCD4YAko40h9N0EwVKLgm1o1r1oxGU9TJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<42932.70641.qm@web111603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C1A11E8264F64CD795724CCEFFF0E2C3@JIMPC>

I'm not sure where this fake LAT 22 talk came from... All Paul, Duke and I
did was take a modern 8k tach and make it match the look of a stock Tiger 5k
tach ... not calling it LAT anything...(although didn't someone jokingly
call it an LAT22 'A' ?) What Rootes did was offer a recalibrated 7k
Sprite/Midget tach that looked nothing like the original... but of course,
yes, it would be concours correct. 
I DO plan to assemble and sell at least one more beyond the one going in my
car. I sent Paul a few extra faces to be redone for that purpose.

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of David T Johnson
Sent: September 13, 2010 7:55 AM
To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; wsamouce
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

True Story

John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype 
John
sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone 
take the cars for
a weekend.  Soon they were being erturned with 
notes: "engine runs rough. 
Miss in Engine. Etc'  The Rootes realized the
problem and added a warning to
the cars. 'This is an American V-8.  
DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine
4 cyl.

As to the lister who commented about concurs.  I the list has
issues
with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues
apply here.  Put any tach
you want in your car, But don't
call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. 
LAT 22 systle is OK.
Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option  jsut
like Ken Bishop's MK II

Dave

 



________________________________
From:
Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
To: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Cc:
Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

looks great!
someone should sell them
ready made.

but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k?

i have my rev
limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach.  i just know roughly
where the
needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so
used to the
sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to
look at the
tach.  but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked
right for 8k, i
would do so.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
wrote:

> Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
>
Tach.
>
> A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We
ended up
> using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
>
>
>
Check links for pictures.
>
>
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
>
>
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
>
> Thanks again
Paul... and Jim!
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>
_______________________________________________

From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Sep 13 09:36:12 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:36:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <42932.70641.qm@web111603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100913113612.N7ZNC.1803254.imail@eastrmwml31>

Dave:

I suggest you go back and re-read my post...only this time with a sense of humor.  You will see that I never said the tach in Duke's car was a LAT-22 unit.  It was a joke...do you get it now?  Trust me, bud...I know what a LAT-22 tach is; I've got one in my car.  

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

---- David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> True Story
> 
> John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype 
> John
> sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone 
> take the cars for
> a weekend.  Soon they were being erturned with 
> notes: "engine runs rough. 
> Miss in Engine. Etc'  The Rootes realized the
> problem and added a warning to
> the cars. 'This is an American V-8.  
> DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine
> 4 cyl.
> 
> As to the lister who commented about concurs.  I the list has
> issues
> with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues
> apply here.  Put any tach
> you want in your car, But don't
> call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. 
> LAT 22 systle is OK.
> Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option  jsut
> like Ken Bishop's MK II
> 
> Dave
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From:
> Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
> To: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> Cc:
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM
> Subject: Re:
> [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> 
> looks great!
> someone should sell them
> ready made.
> 
> but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k?
> 
> i have my rev
> limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach.  i just know roughly
> where the
> needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so
> used to the
> sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to
> look at the
> tach.  but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked
> right for 8k, i
> would do so.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
> >
> Tach.
> >
> > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We
> ended up
> > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
> >
> >
> >
> Check links for pictures.
> >
> >
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
> >
> >
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
> >
> > Thanks again
> Paul... and Jim!
> >
> > Duke
> > B382002037
> >
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> > Tigers at autox.team.net
> >
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From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Sep 13 09:41:27 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:41:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <C1A11E8264F64CD795724CCEFFF0E2C3@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <20100913114127.UVWLG.1803330.imail@eastrmwml31>

Jim:

The "fake" LAT-22 tach thread evidently started with Dave mis-reading my post to Duke about him inventing the "LAT-22A" tach.  There was no attempt by me to characterize it to be a LAT-22 tach.  It was a joke that was apparently mis-understood.  As for the tach in question, all the parties involved in it's creation did a magnificent job on it!  If one of those would have been offered by Rootes, I'm sure it would have looked just like that.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE



---- Jim <jim at island.net> wrote: 
> I'm not sure where this fake LAT 22 talk came from... All Paul, Duke and I
> did was take a modern 8k tach and make it match the look of a stock Tiger 5k
> tach ... not calling it LAT anything...(although didn't someone jokingly
> call it an LAT22 'A' ?) What Rootes did was offer a recalibrated 7k
> Sprite/Midget tach that looked nothing like the original... but of course,
> yes, it would be concours correct. 
> I DO plan to assemble and sell at least one more beyond the one going in my
> car. I sent Paul a few extra faces to be redone for that purpose.
> 
> Jim
> B382000446
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of David T Johnson
> Sent: September 13, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; wsamouce
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> 
> True Story
> 
> John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype 
> John
> sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone 
> take the cars for
> a weekend.  Soon they were being erturned with 
> notes: "engine runs rough. 
> Miss in Engine. Etc'  The Rootes realized the
> problem and added a warning to
> the cars. 'This is an American V-8.  
> DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine
> 4 cyl.
> 
> As to the lister who commented about concurs.  I the list has
> issues
> with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues
> apply here.  Put any tach
> you want in your car, But don't
> call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. 
> LAT 22 systle is OK.
> Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option  jsut
> like Ken Bishop's MK II
> 
> Dave
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From:
> Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
> To: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> Cc:
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM
> Subject: Re:
> [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
> 
> looks great!
> someone should sell them
> ready made.
> 
> but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k?
> 
> i have my rev
> limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach.  i just know roughly
> where the
> needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so
> used to the
> sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to
> look at the
> tach.  but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked
> right for 8k, i
> would do so.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to  Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
> >
> Tach.
> >
> > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems.  We
> ended up
> > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
> >
> >
> >
> Check links for pictures.
> >
> >
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
> >
> >
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
> >
> > Thanks again
> Paul... and Jim!
> >
> > Duke
> > B382002037
> >
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From Rollright at aol.com  Mon Sep 13 10:08:51 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:08:51 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach
Message-ID: <eb0d9.6226fff7.39bfa693@aol.com>

Duke,
 
That tach is super !  Good work to all involved.
 
Seems that one would need three components:
 
1)  the tach
2) an Alpine tach face
3) custom lettering
 
Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you  used for 
the tach (#1) with us?
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Sep 13 10:16:52 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:16:52 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach
In-Reply-To: <eb0d9.6226fff7.39bfa693@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100913161653.1PU3R.232262.root@hrndva-web03-z01>

Here you go - 

You can get the tach for $122 here - http://www.re-racing.com/Gauges/Tachometer/Cobra/Auto-Meter-AM-201004-p7010036.html

Duke
B382002037


---- Rollright at aol.com wrote: 
> Duke,
>  
> That tach is super !  Good work to all involved.
>  
> Seems that one would need three components:
>  
> 1)  the tach
> 2) an Alpine tach face
> 3) custom lettering
>  
> Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you  used for 
> the tach (#1) with us?
>  
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE

From jim at island.net  Mon Sep 13 10:43:16 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach
In-Reply-To: <eb0d9.6226fff7.39bfa693@aol.com>
References: <eb0d9.6226fff7.39bfa693@aol.com>
Message-ID: <458FA22276E847C681B14B9D9FD75F41@JIMPC>

Hi Jim

Actually, you need a little more than that...

To make one of these tachs you will need the Autometer Cobra #201004 tach,
one of Paul's reworked Alpine faces ( you supply it ) and the inner and
outer(chrome) bezel from a 4" Jaeger instrument along with front glass( an
old speedo has these same parts ) and a matching needle from a Jaeger tach.
I don't think the speedo needle will work as it's quite a bit heavier than
the tach needle.
You then have to some mods to the Autometer case to make it all fit...

HTH

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: September 13, 2010 9:09 AM
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach

Duke,
 
That tach is super !  Good work to all involved.
 
Seems that one would need three components:
 
1)  the tach
2) an Alpine tach face
3) custom lettering
 
Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you  used for 
the tach (#1) with us?
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Sep 13 10:51:39 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:51:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach
In-Reply-To: <458FA22276E847C681B14B9D9FD75F41@JIMPC>
References: <eb0d9.6226fff7.39bfa693@aol.com>
	<458FA22276E847C681B14B9D9FD75F41@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <001401cb5363$ef96db60$cec49220$@rr.com>

I just used the bezels, needle and glass from my OEM Tach.

You will need a Dremel tool too.  I also painted the inside top section with
light blue paint like the OEM housing.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim [mailto:jim at island.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:43 AM
To: Rollright at aol.com; wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Super Tach

Hi Jim

Actually, you need a little more than that...

To make one of these tachs you will need the Autometer Cobra #201004 tach,
one of Paul's reworked Alpine faces ( you supply it ) and the inner and
outer(chrome) bezel from a 4" Jaeger instrument along with front glass( an
old speedo has these same parts ) and a matching needle from a Jaeger tach.
I don't think the speedo needle will work as it's quite a bit heavier than
the tach needle.
You then have to some mods to the Autometer case to make it all fit...

HTH

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: September 13, 2010 9:09 AM
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach

Duke,
 
That tach is super !  Good work to all involved.
 
Seems that one would need three components:
 
1)  the tach
2) an Alpine tach face
3) custom lettering
 
Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you  used for 
the tach (#1) with us?
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Sep 13 10:53:39 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach
In-Reply-To: <001401cb5363$ef96db60$cec49220$@rr.com>
References: <eb0d9.6226fff7.39bfa693@aol.com>
	<458FA22276E847C681B14B9D9FD75F41@JIMPC>
	<001401cb5363$ef96db60$cec49220$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059694CAA0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Do you also make the tach illegible at night like the OEM piece? Add some
darkness?

;)

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce
> Sent: September 13, 2010 10:52 AM
> To: 'Jim'; Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach
>
> I just used the bezels, needle and glass from my OEM Tach.
>
> You will need a Dremel tool too.  I also painted the inside top section
> with
> light blue paint like the OEM housing.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim [mailto:jim at island.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:43 AM
> To: Rollright at aol.com; wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Super Tach
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Actually, you need a little more than that...
>
> To make one of these tachs you will need the Autometer Cobra #201004
> tach,
> one of Paul's reworked Alpine faces ( you supply it ) and the inner and
> outer(chrome) bezel from a 4" Jaeger instrument along with front glass(
> an
> old speedo has these same parts ) and a matching needle from a Jaeger
> tach.
> I don't think the speedo needle will work as it's quite a bit heavier
> than
> the tach needle.
> You then have to some mods to the Autometer case to make it all fit...
>
> HTH
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
> Sent: September 13, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach
>
> Duke,
>
> That tach is super !  Good work to all involved.
>
> Seems that one would need three components:
>
> 1)  the tach
> 2) an Alpine tach face
> 3) custom lettering
>
> Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you  used
> for
> the tach (#1) with us?
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
> _______________________________________________
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From jim at island.net  Mon Sep 13 11:00:46 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:00:46 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059694CAA0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
References: <eb0d9.6226fff7.39bfa693@aol.com><458FA22276E847C681B14B9D9FD75F41@JIMPC>
	<001401cb5363$ef96db60$cec49220$@rr.com>
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Theo...
At the very least, that would require using the original bulb and socket
which DOES actually fit the back of the Autometer case. Unfortunately, it
doesn't have a ground wire . The Autometer socket has 2 wires for ease of
hookup. I suppose you could find a smaller wattage bulb or wire in a
resistor to keep the brightness down...  ;)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com] 
Sent: September 13, 2010 9:54 AM
To: wsamouce; 'Jim'; Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Super Tach

Do you also make the tach illegible at night like the OEM piece? Add some
darkness?

;)

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce
> Sent: September 13, 2010 10:52 AM
> To: 'Jim'; Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach
>
> I just used the bezels, needle and glass from my OEM Tach.
>
> You will need a Dremel tool too.  I also painted the inside top section
> with
> light blue paint like the OEM housing.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim [mailto:jim at island.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:43 AM
> To: Rollright at aol.com; wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Super Tach
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Actually, you need a little more than that...
>
> To make one of these tachs you will need the Autometer Cobra #201004
> tach,
> one of Paul's reworked Alpine faces ( you supply it ) and the inner and
> outer(chrome) bezel from a 4" Jaeger instrument along with front glass(
> an
> old speedo has these same parts ) and a matching needle from a Jaeger
> tach.
> I don't think the speedo needle will work as it's quite a bit heavier
> than
> the tach needle.
> You then have to some mods to the Autometer case to make it all fit...
>
> HTH
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
> Sent: September 13, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach
>
> Duke,
>
> That tach is super !  Good work to all involved.
>
> Seems that one would need three components:
>
> 1)  the tach
> 2) an Alpine tach face
> 3) custom lettering
>
> Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you  used
> for
> the tach (#1) with us?
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
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From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Mon Sep 13 14:36:23 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:36:23 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Pink Tiger
Message-ID: <32b56.40b167ed.39bfe547@aol.com>

>From about ten years ago, the rumor heard in PTC is the car is no longer 
pink and it resides in British Columbia.

Jo Collins went to High School with a PTC Member and he fondly recalls her 
driving the pink Tiger thru Albany, Oregon.  He was driving a Corvette and 
she blew his doors off.  He sold the Vette and bought a MK-2 Tiger, which he 
still owns.

Jim

From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon Sep 13 15:39:03 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:39:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Conversion to Alternator
Message-ID: <B1C558DDAAED4F7F91863A182EA8612B@JPC>

Good Afternoon

Let me start by apologizing if this is a duplicate message. I did not receive
confirmation that my previous email had been sent so I am resending. Thanks.


After a 125 mile drive on Satuday I noticed my battery was a bit weak and I
had trouble starting the car when I went to pull it into the garage sat night.
I got it started and put to bed for the night and then checked the battery
with a meter the next day. The meter reading barely reached 12v. At 1200 rpm
the reading was not any better. When I revved the engine a few times the
ammeter barely moved to positive. Obviously the battery (a relatively new
Optima) was not getting a decent charge.
My Mk1 has a rebuilt generator that is 7 years old.

At this point I am considering converting to an alternator. I understand I
will get a better charge but there are also alignment issues. I was seeking
input from the list on the pros and cons of converting to an alternator or
just sticking with another rebuilt generator. Also, if I do convert to an
alternator what are the options for a replacement.

Thanks,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Sep 13 15:49:51 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:49:51 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Conversion to Alternator
Message-ID: <c9a8f.696033cf.39bff67f@aol.com>

Jim,
The first thing I would do is be very sure the battery  terminals are clean 
and that the connection of the ground strap from the engine  to the frame 
is nice and shiney.   Then I would check the output at  the generator to be 
sure that the generator is the problem.  You might also  check that you don't 
have a faulty battery no matter how new it  is.
 
If you decide to swap to an alternator the simplest  (and most expensive 
route) is to get an aluminum bracket from one of the Tiger  suppliers and get 
the alternator that they suggest.  The alignement issues  should be taken 
care of.
 
Or you can ask the list and try to find a cheaper  bracket that works and 
go with an alternator that has worked for others.   You should find 
recommendations and guidance for the needed alternator and  wiring on this site. 
_http://www.team.net/archive/tigers/_ (http://www.team.net/archive/tigers/) 
Mark L

From e.coiner at cox.net  Mon Sep 13 16:24:55 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:24:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Conversion to Alternator
In-Reply-To: <B1C558DDAAED4F7F91863A182EA8612B@JPC>
Message-ID: <20100913182455.57TX5.852779.imail@fed1rmwml43>

I am using this 1 wire alternator from Summit. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFF-7078NB/

CAT sells a mounting bracket kit that fits this alternator nicely.

Erich
---- James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote: 
> Good Afternoon
> 
> Let me start by apologizing if this is a duplicate message. I did not receive
> confirmation that my previous email had been sent so I am resending. Thanks.
> 
> 
> After a 125 mile drive on Satuday I noticed my battery was a bit weak and I
> had trouble starting the car when I went to pull it into the garage sat night.
> I got it started and put to bed for the night and then checked the battery
> with a meter the next day. The meter reading barely reached 12v. At 1200 rpm
> the reading was not any better. When I revved the engine a few times the
> ammeter barely moved to positive. Obviously the battery (a relatively new
> Optima) was not getting a decent charge.
> My Mk1 has a rebuilt generator that is 7 years old.
> 
> At this point I am considering converting to an alternator. I understand I
> will get a better charge but there are also alignment issues. I was seeking
> input from the list on the pros and cons of converting to an alternator or
> just sticking with another rebuilt generator. Also, if I do convert to an
> alternator what are the options for a replacement.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 13 20:20:20 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach
In-Reply-To: <C1A11E8264F64CD795724CCEFFF0E2C3@JIMPC>
References: <416240.32639.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><AANLkTikOTsTsnOtyuAGRm69CthD0D1ZOLcKUmzxBWeSa@mail.gmail.com><867268.50523.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><000601cb51fd$40652fa0$c12f8ee0$@rr.com><AANLkTinvYbWfCD4YAko40h9N0EwVKLgm1o1r1oxGU9TJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<42932.70641.qm@web111603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C1A11E8264F64CD795724CCEFFF0E2C3@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <639088.909.qm@web111620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

You are correct in that I over reacted to LAT 22A.  My appologizes
tp those
offended. In my early Tiger days, everyone used the Sun
Super tach in almose
every car.

Later some people were using tachs from a TR8.  Perfect fit and
already for a V8.  Donor TR8's are very tough tp find.

Dave
________________________________
From: Jim <jim at island.net>
To: David T
Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>; owain.lloyd at gmail.com; wsamouce
<wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010
11:10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

I'm not sure
where this fake LAT 22 talk came from... All Paul, Duke and I
did was take a
modern 8k tach and make it match the look of a stock Tiger 5k
tach ... not
calling it LAT anything...(although didn't someone jokingly
call it an LAT22
'A' ?) What Rootes did was offer a recalibrated 7k
Sprite/Midget tach that
looked nothing like the original... but of course,
yes, it would be concours
correct. 
I DO plan to assemble and sell at least one more beyond the one
going in my
car. I sent Paul a few extra faces to be redone for that purpose.
Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From:
tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf
Of David T Johnson
Sent: September 13, 2010 7:55 AM
To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com;
wsamouce
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra
Tach

True Story

John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype
John
sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone 
take the
cars for
a weekend.  Soon they were being erturned with 
notes: "engine runs
rough. 
Miss in Engine. Etc'  The Rootes realized the
problem and added a
warning to
the cars. 'This is an American V-8.  
DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like
the Alpine
4 cyl.

As to the lister who commented about concurs.  I the list
has
issues
with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues
apply here. 
Put any tach
you want in your car, But don't
call it a LAT 22 tach unless it
really is. 
LAT 22 systle is OK.
Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an
option  jsut
like Ken Bishop's MK II

Dave
________________________________
From:
Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
To:
wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Cc:
Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, September
13, 2010 8:42:52 AM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach

looks
great!
someone should sell them
ready made.

but are you really revving your
stock 260 to 6k?

i have my rev
limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach.  i
just know roughly
where the
needle is in the black bit after the red line for
6000 and i'm so
used to the
sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally
don't need to
look at the
tach.  but if i could buy a drop in replacement that
looked
right for 8k, i
would do so.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM,
wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
wrote:

> Thanks to  Paul Breuhan
(prbreuhan at hotmail.com), I am happy with the
> appearance and PERFECT function
of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM
>
Tach.
>
> A very affordable
option to all of the original tach problems.  We
ended up
> using a Alpine
tach face and Paul's custom silk screening.
>
>
>
Check links for pictures.
>
>
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg
>
>
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg
>
> Thanks again
Paul... and Jim!
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>
_______________________________________________

From Rollright at aol.com  Wed Sep 15 06:54:17 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:54:17 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] finding an engine part
Message-ID: <2958d.31721959.39c21bf9@aol.com>

Hello,
 
After my original 260 engine was rebuilt, I got a small supply of "extra"  
parts returned to me. I took a look this morning at a set of 8 parts  
(CLUE!) After thinking about it I took out an exhaust manifold. Lo and  behold, 
the part in question is a weird sort of locking washer,  bent,  stepped, with 
two holes for bolts and locking tabs, one unit for each exhaust  port. 
 
It is shown in Tiger Parts List supplement in illustration Plate B -  
section AF and called out as # 129, and described in  the   "locking tab-Exhaust 
manifold mounting bolt"  Rootes #  6100040 and Ford # 
C20Z-9A447-A.
 
Does anyone know if this part is still available, and does anybody have any 
 idea where I can get 8 new ones?  

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 15 07:01:58 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:01:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] finding an engine part
In-Reply-To: <2958d.31721959.39c21bf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <45B48A30433642EFA26B1A89B4F2EAB6@ronpc1>

Jim
	These parts are available at most of the Ford Vendors.
NPD has them $11.50
MAC's has them $11.95

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:54 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] finding an engine part


Hello,

After my original 260 engine was rebuilt, I got a small supply of "extra"
parts returned to me. I took a look this morning at a set of 8 parts
(CLUE!) After thinking about it I took out an exhaust manifold. Lo and
behold,
the part in question is a weird sort of locking washer,  bent,  stepped,
with
two holes for bolts and locking tabs, one unit for each exhaust  port.

It is shown in Tiger Parts List supplement in illustration Plate B -
section AF and called out as # 129, and described in  the   "locking
tab-Exhaust
manifold mounting bolt"  Rootes #  6100040 and Ford #
C20Z-9A447-A.

Does anyone know if this part is still available, and does anybody have any
 idea where I can get 8 new ones?

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 07:57:12 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:57:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] finding an engine part
In-Reply-To: <2958d.31721959.39c21bf9@aol.com>
References: <2958d.31721959.39c21bf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5J8zPJzwfb8+t95jrkvFnL28eAOVdipiCi4kv@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Take a look at either Year One's  Ford Mustang online catalog or NPD's
Mustang online catalog. I'll bet one of those companies carries the locking
tabs.

Tom

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:54 AM, <Rollright at aol.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> After my original 260 engine was rebuilt, I got a small supply of "extra"
> parts returned to me. I took a look this morning at a set of 8 parts
> (CLUE!) After thinking about it I took out an exhaust manifold. Lo and
>  behold,
> the part in question is a weird sort of locking washer,  bent,  stepped,
> with
> two holes for bolts and locking tabs, one unit for each exhaust  port.
>
> It is shown in Tiger Parts List supplement in illustration Plate B -
> section AF and called out as # 129, and described in  the   "locking
> tab-Exhaust
> manifold mounting bolt"  Rootes #  6100040 and Ford #
> C20Z-9A447-A.
>
> Does anyone know if this part is still available, and does anybody have any
>  idea where I can get 8 new ones?
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
> _______________________________________________
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep 15 12:10:47 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:10:47 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally
Message-ID: <dbcd4.7025e977.39c26627@aol.com>

Hey Guys,

Just got back from an incredible week with the Tiger on the Going to the 
Sun Rally in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming with my dad. What a great 1200 mile 
event and what a great place to stretch the Tiger's legs. Car ran very well 
and very fast with speeds often over 100 mph. I am so happy with the way this 
car turned out and want to thank Bill Martin and a host of others for some 
sorting tips. Even with the Top Loader the 3.07:1 final drive Barry built for 
me worked great. Never felt like I needed a fifth gear after switch to 
23.9" diameter tires. New Dale's Restorations springs transformed the handling.

Got to switch cars with a guy in a 427 Cobra and while that car is fast, it 
wasn't much faster and not nearly as comfortable as the Tiger. Put me down 
for the Sunbeam Tiger being perhaps, the best car in the world.

Got a few pics and details on our Classic site under project car updates. 
Full story to come in the magazine. Thanks again to all of you who have 
talked to me and helped me on this project. Man am I happy I picked a Tiger.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Wed Sep 15 12:41:58 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:41:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally
In-Reply-To: <dbcd4.7025e977.39c26627@aol.com>
References: <dbcd4.7025e977.39c26627@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554430621236@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

Shhhh!  That is why the Sunbeam Tiger is the greatest undervalued car in the
world (no hyperbole!).

Glad you had a great time and enjoy the car so much.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:11 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: tom at grassrootsmotorsports.com; andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally

Hey Guys,

Just got back from an incredible week with the Tiger on the Going to the
Sun Rally in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming with my dad. What a great 1200 mile
event and what a great place to stretch the Tiger's legs. Car ran very well
and very fast with speeds often over 100 mph. I am so happy with the way this
car turned out and want to thank Bill Martin and a host of others for some
sorting tips. Even with the Top Loader the 3.07:1 final drive Barry built for
me worked great. Never felt like I needed a fifth gear after switch to
23.9" diameter tires. New Dale's Restorations springs transformed the
handling.

Got to switch cars with a guy in a 427 Cobra and while that car is fast, it
wasn't much faster and not nearly as comfortable as the Tiger. Put me down
for the Sunbeam Tiger being perhaps, the best car in the world.

Got a few pics and details on our Classic site under project car updates.
Full story to come in the magazine. Thanks again to all of you who have
talked to me and helped me on this project. Man am I happy I picked a Tiger.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Sep 15 13:13:37 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:13:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] September is Auto-x season!
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059738425A@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/grant_subaru/4986110649/in/set-72157624947389816
/

Next event in Calgary is this Sunday at Deerfoot Mall.

Cheers,
Theo




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From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep 15 13:46:54 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:46:54 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally
Message-ID: <1c65d.3cd005bd.39c27cae@aol.com>

Pack Racing 15x6 front, 15x6 rear 205 55, 15: Yokohama S drive tires. Wheel 
wells need to be trimmed slightly to fit.

Hope this helps


Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Sep 15 13:49:37 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:49:37 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally
Message-ID: <1c8f6.11dd3a97.39c27d51@aol.com>

Robbins has this dark blue cloth top in their catalog. it first and looks 
really nice.

In a message dated 9/15/10 3:41:15 PM, dave at munroe.ca writes:


> Hi Tim;
> 
> Your comments have no doubt added value to the entire Tiger 
> fleet...Thanks!
> 
> I followed your Tiger project right through to the end in Classic
> Motorsports, and admire your work. I was interested in your comments
> regarding the 3:07's, as that is what I have in my Tiger.
> 
> I was not happy with the performance of these gears, as most of our Tiger
> use is medium to long trips with my wife, and I didn't like the revs at
> highway speeds. But interestingly, I had some internal mechanical issues
> with my engine, which were corrected this spring, and the 3:07's have 
> ceased
> to be an issue.
> 
> Its nice to have another opinion, as I began to think I was accommodating 
> to
> the revs, rather than actually recognizing the newly found comfort with 
> the
> much smoother, better performing engine.
> 
> BTW, I need a new top, and you mentioned you had a very nice, non-stock, 
> top
> made, but I don't recall from whom you bought it. Can you give me a clue?
> 
> Thanks Tim.
> 
> Dave Munroe
> B382000450 Waverley, Nova Scotia
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <tom at grassrootsmotorsports.com>; <andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:10 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally
> 
> 
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > Just got back from an incredible week with the Tiger on the Going to the
> > Sun Rally in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming with my dad. What a great 1200
> > mile
> > event and what a great place to stretch the Tiger's legs. Car ran very
> > well
> > and very fast with speeds often over 100 mph. I am so happy with the way
> > this
> > car turned out and want to thank Bill Martin and a host of others for 
> some
> > sorting tips. Even with the Top Loader the 3.07:1 final drive Barry 
> built
> > for
> > me worked great. Never felt like I needed a fifth gear after switch to
> > 23.9" diameter tires. New Dale's Restorations springs transformed the
> > handling.
> >
> > Got to switch cars with a guy in a 427 Cobra and while that car is fast,
> > it
> > wasn't much faster and not nearly as comfortable as the Tiger. Put me 
> down
> > for the Sunbeam Tiger being perhaps, the best car in the world.
> >
> > Got a few pics and details on our Classic site under project car 
> updates.
> > Full story to come in the magazine. Thanks again to all of you who have
> > talked to me and helped me on this project. Man am I happy I picked a
> > Tiger.
> >
> > Tim Suddard
> > Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> > www.classicmotorsports.net
> > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> > Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tigers at autox.team.net
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe/Manage:
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca
> >
> 
> 
> 





Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Wed Sep 15 17:49:23 2010
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:49:23 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] steering racks
Message-ID: <f0b97.45e24db7.39c2b583@aol.com>

I believe my rack is in need of some TLC. It has come to my attention that  
their are no replacement parts for this unit. So my question is how does 
one  rebuild a rack if their no parts available Mine  seems to jump over each  
tooth as you turn it. I know the dale conversion is an  option.   Trying to 
save some cash.   Beau 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Sep 15 18:07:59 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:07:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] steering racks
References: <f0b97.45e24db7.39c2b583@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A4C9836DF39E4387814EE66519B625EE@student2>

Assuming a left hand drive, the right side of the rack uses a spring and 
small metal piece that applies pressure to the rack.  There are two bolts (I 
recall) that hold the cover for this in place in place.  There is a 
possibility they have come loose (or fallen out) and that might cause the 
rack to jump teeth.  I'm  not sure why the rack is designed this way (it 
seems prone to issues from the start) but it is what it is.  Anyway, check 
that first.
Tom


>I believe my rack is in need of some TLC. It has come to my attention that
> their are no replacement parts for this unit. So my question is how does
> one  rebuild a rack if their no parts available Mine  seems to jump over 
> each
> tooth as you turn it. I know the dale conversion is an  option.   Trying 
> to
> save some cash.   Beau
:34:00

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Wed Sep 15 18:47:54 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] steering racks
In-Reply-To: <f0b97.45e24db7.39c2b583@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554430621469@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

Doug Jennings rebuilds the racks at the former Tiger Auto Service,
Tiger/Alpine Club.  His number is: 937-252-3317.  Call for pricing, but I am
certain it is reasonable...

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BEAU2EVE at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:49 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] steering racks

I believe my rack is in need of some TLC. It has come to my attention that
their are no replacement parts for this unit. So my question is how does
one  rebuild a rack if their no parts available Mine  seems to jump over each
tooth as you turn it. I know the dale conversion is an  option.   Trying to
save some cash.   Beau

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Wed Sep 15 20:23:59 2010
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:23:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Hood Buffers
Message-ID: <154709710.862193.1284603839538.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Does anyone know where to get the 4 hood buffers our two main suppliers are out of stock 
also the trunk lock grommet they are out also. 

Thanks again 
George 

From alpdavegre at msn.com  Wed Sep 15 21:22:03 2010
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:22:03 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center Cap Project ready to run
Message-ID: <BAY151-w41BFF45AC72BE7CDC11EC7DE7A0@phx.gbl>

Hello all,

I have gotten the sample cap from my machinist and it looks FANTASTIC!!!  If
you want to see a few pictures I can send them to you. Send me an e-mail. Cost
per cap is $25 and $10 shipping for up to 5 caps. I will require immediate
payment. I have over 50 pre sold with about 75 to run. Once they are sold I
will need 30 committed to rerun the project. I will be out of contact from
Sept 18-26th but will respond after the 26.
Dave Green
alpdavegre at msn.com

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 16 07:03:05 2010
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:03:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Bumbers
Message-ID: <1000918127.874330.1284642185391.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Again. My next question for the group is has anyone gotten the stainless bumpers from the Harrington group? if you have how are they? the cost of new bumpers 
is less then having my re chromed. Please let me know 

Thanks again 
George 

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 16 12:50:35 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:50:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheels
Message-ID: <333998.13816.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

team - im trying to decide between a moto lita "classic 3" or "mark 3" or a
lecarra "mark 3 supreme" steering wheel, couple questions:
 
(1) which wheel do folks recommend for a period correct option to the original
sunbeam wheel (i dont think tigers ever came originally with a lecarra or moto
lita, did they?)
 
(2) where do folks find the adapters/hubs, lecarra said they dont make the
sunbeam adapter?  where do folks order these from, SS doesnt seem to have them
on his site?
 
(3) seems they measure from midpoint of rim to midpoint of rim for diameter,
and my other tiger has a 14" diamater lecarra with a 1.5" dish, so i think i
would go with that, any other thoughts on size?
 
thks
peter

From jrv309 at charter.net  Thu Sep 16 14:10:49 2010
From: jrv309 at charter.net (jrv309 at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:10:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hood Buffers
In-Reply-To: <154709710.862193.1284603839538.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <154709710.862193.1284603839538.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EBC42A28C8284A4FBD49167E01E25DA8@NewDell>

George;  Have you checked with CAT parts?  They did have the trunk lock 
grommet.  Jerry and Marlene with the Candy Apple Tiger in Oregon.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "George Re" <mgman71 at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:23 PM
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Hood Buffers

> Does anyone know where to get the 4 hood buffers our two main suppliers 
> are out of stock
> also the trunk lock grommet they are out also.
>
> Thanks again
> George
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Sep 16 17:09:24 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheels
In-Reply-To: <333998.13816.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <333998.13816.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <343397.26666.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Peter L <laurin212 at yahoo.com>
To:
tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 11:50:35 AM
Subject:
[Tigers] steering wheels

team - im trying to decide between a moto lita
"classic 3" or "mark 3" or a
lecarra "mark 3 supreme" steering wheel, couple
questions:

(1) which wheel do folks recommend for a period correct option to
the original
sunbeam wheel (i dont think tigers ever came originally with a
lecarra or moto
lita, did they?)

(2) where do folks find the adapters/hubs,
lecarra said they dont make the
sunbeam adapter?  where do folks order these
from, SS doesnt seem to have them
on his site?

(3) seems they measure from
midpoint of rim to midpoint of rim for diameter,
and my other tiger has a 14"
diamater lecarra with a 1.5" dish, so i think i
would go with that, any other
thoughts on size?

thks
peter
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 17:24:32 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:24:32 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Bumbers
In-Reply-To: <1000918127.874330.1284642185391.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1000918127.874330.1284642185391.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHoeVjeTj3-oTGL8MCLu7d_gMHfaKfqwyc6+aZ@mail.gmail.com>

There ahve been a few discussions about this on the various sunbeam boards..
go to CAT, SAOCA or TEAE forums and look it up. The main issues:

They are strips of stainless welded togther and not quite as strong and wont
offer protection
the profile is not quite right so you need their overriders as the stocks
wont work.
the mounting holes are not slotted like stock so they requite some reworking
finish is nice apparently

just a quick summary of what has been said.

On 16 September 2010 23:03, George Re <mgman71 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Again. My next question for the group is has anyone gotten the stainless
> bumpers from the Harrington group? if you have how are they? the cost of new
> bumpers
> is less then having my re chromed. Please let me know
>
> Thanks again
> George
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>


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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 16 17:42:20 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:42:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Bumbers
References: <1000918127.874330.1284642185391.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<AANLkTinHoeVjeTj3-oTGL8MCLu7d_gMHfaKfqwyc6+aZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD6811DE95A5417D9F9307B996546DBA@yourze8cxvr8tt>

the over riders that they supply require a lot of machine work to get them 
to set vertical. left as shipped, they point towards the ground.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: "George Re" <mgman71 at comcast.net>
Cc: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumbers


> There ahve been a few discussions about this on the various sunbeam 
> boards..
> go to CAT, SAOCA or TEAE forums and look it up. The main issues:
>
> They are strips of stainless welded togther and not quite as strong and 
> wont
> offer protection
> the profile is not quite right so you need their overriders as the stocks
> wont work.
> the mounting holes are not slotted like stock so they requite some 
> reworking
> finish is nice apparently
>
> just a quick summary of what has been said.
>
> On 16 September 2010 23:03, George Re <mgman71 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Again. My next question for the group is has anyone gotten the 
>> stainless
>> bumpers from the Harrington group? if you have how are they? the cost of 
>> new
>> bumpers
>> is less then having my re chromed. Please let me know
>>
>> Thanks again
>> George
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards
>
> Michael King
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From mgman71 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 16 18:39:44 2010
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:39:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Bumpers
Message-ID: <1364558983.916667.1284683984568.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Well after reading all the reply about the stainless bumpers I think I will just have mine re chromed. Does anyone in the northeast know of a good chrome shop that charges a fair price?. What is a fair price I am not sure I had mine looked at last week and was given a price of 400.00 for each bumper that does not include the overrides is that a fair price. 

Thanks again for all your input. 
George 

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 16 19:18:26 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:18:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Recall:  Say it aint so Joe!
Message-ID: <!&!GAAAAAAAAAAk61nla0dyT6HPhJR0NL9ywoAAABgAAAAAAAAAJOtZ5WtHck+hz4SUdDS/cqQMMAAAAAAAEAAAAC4p1IL2RZpDiGpYVGhKhCghAAAARlc6IFtUaWdlcnNdIFNheSBpdCBhaW50IHNvIEpvZSEA@sbcglobal.net>

Jeffrey Nichols would like to recall the message, "[Tigers] Say it aint so
Joe!".

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 16 19:54:53 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:54:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] asdf
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACTrWeVrR3JPoc+ElHQ0v3LCgAAAEAAAAE1m681cX0JKvd3mrUVlj/wBAAAAAA==@sbcglobal.net>

asdf

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 20:49:57 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Valance Question
Message-ID: <B8993E93A1A241A69E40CE7F0C736E3A@OfficePC>

Hey,

 

When I bought my Tiger a million years ago it had been hit in the back
pretty hard and during the body work I decided to replace the rear valance
with one from a donor car.  My question has to do with where the frame rails
(jacking rails?) poke out of the valance.  The valance has square holes that
the rails come through and I know that somehow the body work of the valance
has to be molded to match up to these rails.  I have plenty of pictures of
what the finished product looks like but how was this done originally?  Was
it leaded in?  The gap in the valance opening around the rails looks too big
to try and use bondo.  

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Thu Sep 16 21:32:08 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:32:08 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] asdf
Message-ID: <56e17.1fa1585e.39c43b38@aol.com>

Brilliant.

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 16 21:38:49 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:38:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Bumpers
References: <1364558983.916667.1284683984568.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0F8F87FFA4B04C3A9B9507388F34093E@yourze8cxvr8tt>

george,
   i use librandi's in middletown, pa. the cost you have is in line with 
what i have paid.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Re" <mgman71 at comcast.net>
To: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Bumpers


> Well after reading all the reply about the stainless bumpers I think I 
> will just have mine re chromed. Does anyone in the northeast know of a 
> good chrome shop that charges a fair price?. What is a fair price I am not 
> sure I had mine looked at last week and was given a price of 400.00 for 
> each bumper that does not include the overrides is that a fair price.
>
> Thanks again for all your input.
> George
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From rande at thecia.net  Fri Sep 17 06:20:58 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:20:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheels
Message-ID: <4c935d2a.6483.0@thecia.net>

I've already sent Peter a copy of this with a enclosure of a Tiger interior(fellow
listers let me know individually if you need me to send a picture), but...

Peter mentioned that he might be interested in a period correct aftermarket
steering wheel, and to me, that's spelled NARDI. Those of you around during
the 1960's remember that Ferrari installed Nardi wheels as standard equipment,
and catalogues for stores like Vilem Haan(Beverly Hills) and MG Mitten(Pasadena)
sold Nardi wheels for aftermarket applications like Porsche and Alpine/Tiger.

The photo I sent was of Emily Vasso's black Mark I(the car with the original
tan interior) when it was shown at the park in Santa Rosa during the United
this year. As I wrote Peter, in a United with several A-grade interiors, Emily's
car, to me, is an A-plus. You can bet that when my car gets to the point where
I'm finishing the interior, there WILL be a Nardi wheel on it.

RB

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Fri Sep 17 07:53:41 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:53:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Bumpers
Message-ID: <4C9372E5.5080905@roadrunner.com>

  George:

Jim Armstrong (rollright at aol.com) was very pleased with the job done on 
his bumpers by Nu-Chrome in Fall River, MA 
http://nu-chrome.com/bumpers.htm  I am sure Jim will chime in here, but 
he told me they charged him $250 per bumper.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Sep 17 08:38:30 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:38:30 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
In-Reply-To: <56e17.1fa1585e.39c43b38@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100917143830.N167Q.301063.root@hrndva-web27-z01>

Morning list,

I had to pull my radiator this week to have it repaired, started leaking in the lower right corner.  Radiator was recored about a year ago.  Just called the shop and the radiator guy thinks that there is a vibration problem that caused the leak in such a short time.

So, my question - has anyone used any king of rubber mount for the radiator to the frame?  As you know, there is not much room to be moving the radiator in.

Final push before the 3200 mile trip to Maine and back next month.

TIA!

Duke
B382002037

From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Sep 17 08:57:25 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:57:25 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
Message-ID: <1f4415.714bb95e.39c4dbd5@aol.com>

The radiator mounts pretty solidly to the body.   If it's screwed down 
tight the only way it can vibrate is if the body is  vibrating.  I suppose if 
the engine was vibrating too much  it could  cause problems around the point 
where the hose attaches to the radiator on the  passenger side. But, I would 
think that the hose would absorb the vibration. 
I'll be curious to hear what others have to say on  this.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2010 10:52:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

Morning  list,

I had to pull my radiator this week to have it repaired, started  leaking 
in the lower right corner.  Radiator was recored about a year  ago.  Just 
called the shop and the radiator guy thinks that there is a  vibration problem 
that caused the leak in such a short time.

So, my  question - has anyone used any king of rubber mount for the 
radiator to the  frame?  As you know, there is not much room to be moving the 
radiator  in.

Final push before the 3200 mile trip to Maine and back next  month.

TIA!

Duke
B382002037
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Sep 17 10:04:42 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:04:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FYI
Message-ID: <46638C05540A402EA9106E0F394576A5@ronpc1>

    I just found this web site with  LED equivalent bulbs, gage and warning
lights too, socket, pigtails and more.

I have not ordered anything from them but there is a lot of good information
here.

http://www.autolumination.com/

Ron Fraser

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Fri Sep 17 10:19:49 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:19:49 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
Message-ID: <db27f.4989b3ba.39c4ef25@aol.com>

Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away 
portions to get more air to the radiator?  Someone used a blue-wrench (torch) and 
cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become 
a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the 
front fenders together.  My radiators would last one racing season and then 
begin leaking.  Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the 
left inner fender.

To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was 
left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement.  Perfect 
now, and no more radiator problems.

Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club    Seattle

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 10:31:34 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:31:34 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
In-Reply-To: <db27f.4989b3ba.39c4ef25@aol.com>
References: <db27f.4989b3ba.39c4ef25@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyZheD7=8k67xs-LDqhNjiFNa7BWPq1x3rtu8T@mail.gmail.com>

endurance rally cars usually mount their radiators on rubber.  i use the
early mini exhaust bobbins for this purpose in most places.  i tried to use
them on the tiger radiator before my morocco rally but there was not room so
i just bolted it solid.  i have also had rad issues with leaking pipe
joins.  eventually i realized it was just the hoses being too tight.  make
sure the hoses are not too solid and not pulled too tight.   i've not had
any issues since i rebuilt my top hose to be more generous, and if it can
survive an 8000km african rally, i reckon you should be ok too.



On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:19 PM, <TIGEROOTES at aol.com> wrote:

> Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away
> portions to get more air to the radiator?  Someone used a blue-wrench
> (torch) and
> cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become
> a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the
> front fenders together.  My radiators would last one racing season and then
> begin leaking.  Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the
> left inner fender.
>
> To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was
> left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement.
>  Perfect
> now, and no more radiator problems.
>
> Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club    Seattle
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 17 11:04:36 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:04:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Bumpers
In-Reply-To: <4C9372E5.5080905@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <787631.2219.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

George- this is the member I emaied you about earlier. If memory serves he had
a bumper rechromed for himself and one for another member. He was delighted
according to his post and Im sure he will read the post and contact you with
more information or so you can ask him questions.
Much luck.
TonytheTiger (Tony Lang)

--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:


From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumpers
To: tigers at autox.team.net, "George Re" <mgman71 at comcast.net>
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 8:53 AM


  George:

Jim Armstrong (rollright at aol.com) was very pleased with the job done on
his bumpers by Nu-Chrome in Fall River, MA
http://nu-chrome.com/bumpers.htm  I am sure Jim will chime in here, but
he told me they charged him $250 per bumper.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From allanballard at att.net  Fri Sep 17 11:38:48 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:38:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs
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My front hubs are a little worn - the front bearing's race will spin.

Rather than weld in new races I'd like to replace both front hubs.

Does anyone know if the Series V Alpine hubs (for steel wheels) are the same?

Or maybe the Series IV Alpine front hubs?

Thanks in advance,

Allan Ballard
MK1a Tiger
SIV Alpine

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Sep 17 11:46:44 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
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I have a lot of hole.

See here - 

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg

I don't think the structure is compromised though.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount.

Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away 
portions to get more air to the radiator?  Someone used a blue-wrench
(torch) and 
cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become 
a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the 
front fenders together.  My radiators would last one racing season and then 
begin leaking.  Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the 
left inner fender.

To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was 
left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement.
Perfect 
now, and no more radiator problems.

Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club    Seattle
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Sep 17 11:56:31 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:56:31 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
Message-ID: <200130.7e07b155.39c505cf@aol.com>

Duke,
I wonder if the holes were drilled/punched to help get  more air to the 
radiator or to make the car lighter.  I remember reading an  article once 
saying that sometimes holes can create a turbulence resulting  in less air 
passing through a structure rather than more.  I'd be curious  to know what your 
experiences have been.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2010 1:46:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

I have a  lot of hole.

See here -  

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg

I  don't think the structure is compromised  though.

Duke
B382002037

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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20  AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator  mount.

Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut  away 
portions to get more air to the radiator?  Someone used a  blue-wrench
(torch) and 
cut away much of my car's core support and it  caused the radiator to 
become 
a stressed member of the chassis ---  literally, it alone was connecting 
the 
front fenders together.  My  radiators would last one racing season and 
then 
begin leaking.   Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the 
left inner  fender.

To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and  removed what was 
left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a  replacement.
Perfect 
now, and no more radiator problems.

Jim  Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Sep 17 12:12:41 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
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Weight...thatbs funny.  I can take more off the car by wearing a tank-top.

When I first got the car, the temp gauge was disconnected.  I soon found out
why, it ran way hot...~230.  The radiator was badly clogged.  I had a new core
installed (same as recommended in the "cooling your Tiger" article), blocked
the horn holes, installed a smaller pulley and the 15" Derale fan.  Recently,
installed a LAT 79 hood.

Temp has been great.  Normally runs between 170-190.  On the highway at stupid
speeds, it will creep up to ~200.

Only indication I had of a problem was the car peeing.

Duke
B382002037



---- CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
> Duke,
> I wonder if the holes were drilled/punched to help get  more air to the
> radiator or to make the car lighter.  I remember reading an  article once
> saying that sometimes holes can create a turbulence resulting  in less air
> passing through a structure rather than more.  I'd be curious  to know what
your
> experiences have been.
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 9/17/2010 1:46:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:
>
> I have a  lot of hole.
>
> See here -
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg
>
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg
>
> I  don't think the structure is compromised  though.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On  Behalf Of TIGEROOTES at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20  AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator  mount.
>
> Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut  away
> portions to get more air to the radiator?  Someone used a  blue-wrench
> (torch) and
> cut away much of my car's core support and it  caused the radiator to
> become
> a stressed member of the chassis ---  literally, it alone was connecting
> the
> front fenders together.  My  radiators would last one racing season and
> then
> begin leaking.   Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the
> left inner  fender.
>
> To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and  removed what was
> left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a  replacement.
> Perfect
> now, and no more radiator problems.
>
> Jim  Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Sep 17 12:18:12 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:18:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
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Message-ID: <20100917141812.2Z4G3.1850507.imail@eastrmwml47>

Frankly, Duke, I'd be willing to bet that your radiator is started leaking because they didn't do a good enough job on it in the first place when they replaced your core.  I've had some radiator work done on my Tiger before and, shortly after, I developed a leak in the overflow tube on top of the radiator that runs to the expansion tank.  As it turns out, the guy at the radiator shop had banged the radiator against something and had to repair it at the point where the overflow tube joins the tank.  Evidently, he didn't go a good enough job and we got to do it all over again (at his expense this time).  My guess is that more than likely he's trying to cover his a$$.

My .02 worth,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

---- wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote: 
> I have a lot of hole.
> 
> See here - 
> 
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg
> 
> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg
> 
> I don't think the structure is compromised though.
> 
> Duke
> B382002037
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
> 
> Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away 
> portions to get more air to the radiator?  Someone used a blue-wrench
> (torch) and 
> cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become 
> a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the 
> front fenders together.  My radiators would last one racing season and then 
> begin leaking.  Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the 
> left inner fender.
> 
> To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was 
> left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement.
> Perfect 
> now, and no more radiator problems.
> 
> Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club    Seattle
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Sep 17 13:14:52 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:14:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
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This very well could be true.

They are not charging me for the work for what its worth.

Duke
B382002037
---- awtiger at cox.net wrote: 
> Frankly, Duke, I'd be willing to bet that your radiator is started leaking because they didn't do a good enough job on it in the first place when they replaced your core.  I've had some radiator work done on my Tiger before and, shortly after, I developed a leak in the overflow tube on top of the radiator that runs to the expansion tank.  As it turns out, the guy at the radiator shop had banged the radiator against something and had to repair it at the point where the overflow tube joins the tank.  Evidently, he didn't go a good enough job and we got to do it all over again (at his expense this time).  My guess is that more than likely he's trying to cover his a$$.
> 
> My .02 worth,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> 
> ---- wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote: 
> > I have a lot of hole.
> > 
> > See here - 
> > 
> > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg
> > 
> > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg
> > 
> > I don't think the structure is compromised though.
> > 
> > Duke
> > B382002037
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES at aol.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20 AM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
> > 
> > Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away 
> > portions to get more air to the radiator?  Someone used a blue-wrench
> > (torch) and 
> > cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become 
> > a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the 
> > front fenders together.  My radiators would last one racing season and then 
> > begin leaking.  Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the 
> > left inner fender.
> > 
> > To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was 
> > left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement.
> > Perfect 
> > now, and no more radiator problems.
> > 
> > Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club    Seattle
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 14:03:50 2010
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:03:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs
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Allan,
  Why don t you try alittle locktite on the inside of the race? cheaper than
hubs, but if you need hubs I have some extras
   Jeff

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net> wrote:

> My front hubs are a little worn - the front bearing's race will spin.
>
> Rather than weld in new races I'd like to replace both front hubs.
>
> Does anyone know if the Series V Alpine hubs (for steel wheels) are the
> same?
>
> Or maybe the Series IV Alpine front hubs?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Sep 17 14:48:06 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:48:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs
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Allan
	I believe the hubs are the same from Series IV onwards.
See parts List
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_part_
list.asp

You could knurl the inside of the hub, use a series of punch marks, Locktite
or a combination of these to stabilize the race to the hub.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:39 PM
To: Beamclub TIGER
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs


My front hubs are a little worn - the front bearing's race will spin.

Rather than weld in new races I'd like to replace both front hubs.

Does anyone know if the Series V Alpine hubs (for steel wheels) are the
same?

Or maybe the Series IV Alpine front hubs?

Thanks in advance,

Allan Ballard
MK1a Tiger
SIV Alpine
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From allanballard at att.net  Fri Sep 17 14:48:11 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:48:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs
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Jeff,

Thanks, will do.

I'll check back if the hubs are too worn; should know next week when the new
bearings arrive.

I have a very late SV Alpine parts car with front hubs that may still be ok IF
they are the same.

The Parts car is across town and will be a hassle to get the hubs.

Allan
On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Jeffery Randall wrote:

> Allan,
>   Why don t you try alittle locktite on the inside of the race? cheaper than
hubs, but if you need hubs I have some extras
>    Jeff
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net>
wrote:
> My front hubs are a little worn - the front bearing's race will spin.
>
> Rather than weld in new races I'd like to replace both front hubs.
>
> Does anyone know if the Series V Alpine hubs (for steel wheels) are the
same?
>
> Or maybe the Series IV Alpine front hubs?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Allan Ballard
> MK1a Tiger
> SIV Alpine
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Fri Sep 17 15:51:50 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:51:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
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Message-ID: <000a01cb56b2$8b322d80$6601a8c0@Brennan>

I'd wonder if the radiator was misaligned.  Did tightning all 4 mounting
bolts apply a twist to the radiator, so that it was under stress?  The
joints are just held together by solder, after all.

Stu

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:57 AM
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount.


The radiator mounts pretty solidly to the body.   If it's screwed down 
tight the only way it can vibrate is if the body is  vibrating.  I
suppose if 
the engine was vibrating too much  it could  cause problems around the
point 
where the hose attaches to the radiator on the  passenger side. But, I
would 
think that the hose would absorb the vibration. 
I'll be curious to hear what others have to say on  this.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2010 10:52:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

Morning  list,

I had to pull my radiator this week to have it repaired, started
leaking 
in the lower right corner.  Radiator was recored about a year  ago.
Just 
called the shop and the radiator guy thinks that there is a  vibration
problem 
that caused the leak in such a short time.

So, my  question - has anyone used any king of rubber mount for the 
radiator to the  frame?  As you know, there is not much room to be
moving the 
radiator  in.

Final push before the 3200 mile trip to Maine and back next  month.

TIA!

Duke
B382002037
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Sep 17 15:59:01 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:59:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount.
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	<000a01cb56b2$8b322d80$6601a8c0@Brennan>
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Radiator is true, all mounting point come in contact with frame at same
time.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Brennan [mailto:stubrennan at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 4:52 PM
To: CoolVT at aol.com; wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Radiator mount.

I'd wonder if the radiator was misaligned.  Did tightning all 4 mounting
bolts apply a twist to the radiator, so that it was under stress?  The
joints are just held together by solder, after all.

Stu

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:57 AM
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount.


The radiator mounts pretty solidly to the body.   If it's screwed down 
tight the only way it can vibrate is if the body is  vibrating.  I
suppose if 
the engine was vibrating too much  it could  cause problems around the
point 
where the hose attaches to the radiator on the  passenger side. But, I
would 
think that the hose would absorb the vibration. 
I'll be curious to hear what others have to say on  this.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2010 10:52:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

Morning  list,

I had to pull my radiator this week to have it repaired, started
leaking 
in the lower right corner.  Radiator was recored about a year  ago.
Just 
called the shop and the radiator guy thinks that there is a  vibration
problem 
that caused the leak in such a short time.

So, my  question - has anyone used any king of rubber mount for the 
radiator to the  frame?  As you know, there is not much room to be
moving the 
radiator  in.

Final push before the 3200 mile trip to Maine and back next  month.

TIA!

Duke
B382002037
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Fri Sep 17 17:04:00 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:04:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] SEMA
Message-ID: <2191604EFAAE4BB0B0D1503A6849C4CC@jerry>

Anybody going to SEMA this year (Nov 2-5 Las Vegas)??  This will be my 4th
year - what a gas.  Last year I walked  for 7 mi and that was just in one
building!!!  (I had a pedometer on).

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Fri Sep 17 18:28:01 2010
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:28:01 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] rotors
Message-ID: <13016.48cdd0b0.39c56191@aol.com>

Does anyone know the thickness of the rotors on the Tiger?
 
     Beau

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Sep 17 18:33:20 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rotors
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Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405973848FC@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

About 3/8", I think... it's probably in the service manual that's online at
TigersUnited.com.

Theo

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>
> Does anyone know the thickness of the rotors on the Tiger?
>
>      Beau
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Sep 17 20:33:27 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:33:27 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger
Message-ID: <21f32.46c6cd72.39c57ef7@aol.com>

When the talk of camber comes up, try this  one.
Mark
 
_http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/
_ 
(http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/) 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Sep 17 20:41:18 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:41:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] rotors
References: <13016.48cdd0b0.39c56191@aol.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405973848FC@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <F2007FC238A24D2EA240C3DE1329B54B@student2>

To my knowledge there never was a published specification in the Tiger 
manual.  This topic came up YEARS ago and someone said..., that someone 
said..., .375 was a minimum based on a book somewhere in an unknown shop. 
Others disputed that number.

I actually used that at the local Pep Boys and the Manager (an understanding 
Triumph guy) agreed to turn the rotors as long as I acknowledged it was at 
my own risk.  Figuring this might be a one shot opportunity I had all four 
rotors I had turned.  As best I recall they were all around the .450 range 
give or take .015.

Tom

>> Does anyone know the thickness of the rotors on the Tiger?
>>
>>      Beau

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Sep 17 20:55:59 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:55:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger
References: <21f32.46c6cd72.39c57ef7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2B1C86C030984E7E8EC9F4C43655AEE0@student2>

That seems... strange.  At least by the image provided. They induce an angle 
in the tire (camber) BUT, the tire rides flat (as if there was zero camber). 
So, when the car corners the forces would seem to negate the 'built in" 
camber just like a regular tire.  In fact as the car corners it seems the 
car would ride up on the outer part of the tire and increase the speed at 
which it would loose grip

 If the point of negative camber is a tire level with the road surface - 
while cornering, it seems this idea is reinventing the wheel in circular 
reasoning.  Am I missing something?
Tom

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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:33 PM
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> When the talk of camber comes up, try this  one.
> Mark
>
> _http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/
> _
> (http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/)
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Sep 18 06:29:40 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:29:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] rotors
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Beau
	The original thickness is about 1/2".

Ron Fraser

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Does anyone know the thickness of the rotors on the Tiger?
 
     Beau
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Sep 18 06:55:04 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:55:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger
In-Reply-To: <2B1C86C030984E7E8EC9F4C43655AEE0@student2>
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Tom
	I don't think it is circular reasoning here.   I do think that most
of us would need to see this tire in person and drive a car with these tires
to really understand this concept.   I know I would need to experience these
tire in person to believe the PR statements.   I would also like to see some
real test information that supports their claims.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger


That seems... strange.  At least by the image provided. They induce an angle

in the tire (camber) BUT, the tire rides flat (as if there was zero camber).

So, when the car corners the forces would seem to negate the 'built in"
camber just like a regular tire.  In fact as the car corners it seems the
car would ride up on the outer part of the tire and increase the speed at
which it would loose grip

 If the point of negative camber is a tire level with the road surface -
while cornering, it seems this idea is reinventing the wheel in circular
reasoning.  Am I missing something?
Tom

----- Original Message -----
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To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:33 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger


> When the talk of camber comes up, try this  one.
> Mark
>
> _http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-
> wheel/
> _
>
(http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 18 07:18:36 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The rest of the story
Message-ID: <071DFE50CE2F4497BFDC497ABFA500EC@jeffnicholsPC>

My emails were not getting through and I was trying to find out why.  

 

 

Mike,  I think we have to agree to disagree on this one.  You say tomato, I
say tomahto.  I say innovate, you say knockoff.    I hope you realize that
the Mustang II suspension has been tried by better men than you or I and has
failed.  If you don't believe me then do an email search on Norm's web site.


 

Your statement that no one has tried to design an innovative front
crossmember and suspension in the last 40+ years because of a price point
analysis strikes me as ludicrous.  So all these 40+ years people were doing
a cost study on R&D and a price point analysis for a new and creative
x-member/ suspension and came to the conclusion; it can't be done because it
is too expensive?   In your mind, you don't think Joe Blow  could  design a
new x-member and suspension and build one for his own use.  And then later,
build more if Tiger owners showed interest?  Or are we all MBAs' and just
like to do financial analysis in our spare time?

 

  Also, who is this mysterious person that placed the idea of a new x-member
on the shelf for the past 40 years?   He should be bitched slapped for
holding out on us.

 

 

 
Jeff

 

 

 

 

"Jeff, I wasn't suggesting that "it is just a reworking of what Rootes had
already designed". What I am saying is that there was really no "innovation"
in taking generally accepted suspension design parameters and construction
technique and applying it to the Tiger. Lots of hard work, diligent design
application and cad/cam analysis, perhaps, but absolutely no new ground has
been broken. You can see the same basic design characteristics in the
aftermarket for any number of applications, besides the very obvious
parallel in the Mustang world I already pointed out. It was just a matter of
demand forming to a level where it would be (potentially) economically
viable to create what is a relatively expensive solution for the Tiger. The
only reason it wasn't done earlier is because there was no market for a
$4-5,000 front end for a $15-20,000 car...now that the prices demanded for
good Tigers has appreciated, as well as the quality of builds and people's
seeming willingness to put more serious money into their personalized cars,
it appears that market does exist. That's why the idea sat on the shelf for
years, not because nobody knew how to create the solution."

 

 

 

 
MWood24020 at aol.com    

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 18 07:19:13 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:19:13 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] asdf
In-Reply-To: <56e17.1fa1585e.39c43b38@aol.com>
References: <56e17.1fa1585e.39c43b38@aol.com>
Message-ID: <417D851AFB594B6CA4B391C417752EA9@jeffnicholsPC>

Just like you, Brilliant!

 

  _____  

From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com [mailto:TIGEROOTES at aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:32 PM
To: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] asdf

 

Brilliant.

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 08:04:07 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:04:07 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>

i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet:

http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682

congratulations mayf!    an phenomenal achievement!

From Rollright at aol.com  Sat Sep 18 08:16:22 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:16:22 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] bumper alignment
Message-ID: <2a08e.6fe66f47.39c623b6@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Friend Gary Fish came over with his newly chromed bumpers mounted on his  
black Tiger. Nice!
 
Except.....that in the front, the side parts were at a 45 degree pointing  
down and the front pointed up. After sorting through my extensive collection 
of  junk front bumper brackets, we found that they were handed, and tried 
mounting  the bumper, swapping the brackets from one side to the other. 
Didn't seem to  make a difference.
 
Is there anything written on the subject? Any ideas what we are doing  
wrong? BTW: my bumper has not yet been replaced with the new one (been on for  
quite a while) and it suffers from the same sort of issue.
 
Please help.
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 18 09:04:41 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:04:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Factory Rally Tiger Up For Auction
Message-ID: <5982DA9648DF44D891D01F32DCD3DAC4@jeffnicholsPC>

Check out this historic Tiger  with a long list of competitive appearances.

 

 

 

http://www.brightwells.com/ClassicCarsMotorcyclesAutomobilia/ClassicVehicles
/SunbeamTigerDetails.aspx

 

 

 

 
Jeff

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sat Sep 18 09:01:16 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:01:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405975174AC@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Mayf,
Congratulations! That's an amazing speed and a record that's likely to stand
for quite a while unless you yourself decide to up the ante next year!

Cheers,
Theo
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Of Owain Lloyd [owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:04 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record

i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet:

http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682

congratulations mayf!    an phenomenal achievement!
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From s_ralsten at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 18 09:15:04 2010
From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:15:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
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Congrats as well quite an achievement. First pics I've seen of the car.
Love the beastie rootes logo on the nose.
Steve

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From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
To: "owain.lloyd at gmail.com" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>, "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 8:01 AM


Mayf,
Congratulations! That's an amazing speed and a record that's likely to stand
for quite a while unless you yourself decide to up the ante next year!

Cheers,
Theo
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Sep 18 09:16:32 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:16:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] bumper alignment
In-Reply-To: <2a08e.6fe66f47.39c623b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <407FAEECEE6B4D8B84A6E72DDB406E4E@ronpc1>

Jim
	The Parts List does show a different part # for each bumper bracket
and I don't know if they are marked.

	The mounting point on the body for the bumpers in not that robust it
can be bent out of position; the bracket could be bent some too.  Put a
longer bolt into the mount point and use a pipe or lever arm to slowly
rotate the angle of the mounting point until the bumper is level.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] bumper alignment


Hello,

Friend Gary Fish came over with his newly chromed bumpers mounted on his
black Tiger. Nice!

Except.....that in the front, the side parts were at a 45 degree pointing
down and the front pointed up. After sorting through my extensive collection

of  junk front bumper brackets, we found that they were handed, and tried
mounting  the bumper, swapping the brackets from one side to the other.
Didn't seem to  make a difference.

Is there anything written on the subject? Any ideas what we are doing
wrong? BTW: my bumper has not yet been replaced with the new one (been on
for
quite a while) and it suffers from the same sort of issue.

Please help.

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Sat Sep 18 10:01:14 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:01:14 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
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Congrats to mayf!
 
Wonder what 200 plus feels like in that car? 
 
 
In a message dated 9/18/2010 7:05:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes:

i didn't  see this mentioned on the list  yet:

http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682

congratulations  mayf!    an phenomenal  achievement!
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Sep 18 10:39:08 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
In-Reply-To: <ca8e.56ee957.39c63c4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <639F6C1AEE144F56814865EF900947E4@ronpc1>

Mike 
	Its an adrenalin rush, be it exciting, terrifying or both at once.
I have only been in a car which briefly hit 177 mph.   200+ will be unknown
to most of us.

Hurray to mayf

Ron Fraser

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record


Congrats to mayf!
 
Wonder what 200 plus feels like in that car? 
 
 
In a message dated 9/18/2010 7:05:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes:

i didn't  see this mentioned on the list  yet:

http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682

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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:50:04 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
Message-ID: <2304b3.2506c1b9.39c647bc@aol.com>

Congrats on living your dream....and we get a kick watching and hearing  
about it. Worlds fastest Sunbeam.....now  that's  got a nice ring too  it. 
When's the tv show?

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Sat Sep 18 10:50:20 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:50:20 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
Message-ID: <ea5a.746582db.39c647cc@aol.com>

I've been in the 140-145 range innumerous times, but that was in my Z06 on  
track. No adrenaline, after the first lap. I also took that car to  165-170 
on the road (don't ask). But, 200 plus, on the salt, in an  open car? THAT 
must be something!
 
Again, congrats to mayf for sticking with his dream!
 
 
In a message dated 9/18/2010 9:39:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:

Mike  
Its an adrenalin rush, be it exciting, terrifying or both at  once.
I have only been in a car which briefly hit 177 mph.   200+  will be unknown
to most of us.

Hurray to mayf

Ron  Fraser

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To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re:  [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record


Congrats to mayf!

Wonder  what 200 plus feels like in that car? 


In a message dated 9/18/2010  7:05:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
owain.lloyd at gmail.com  writes:

i didn't  see this mentioned on the list   yet:

http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682

congratulations   mayf!    an phenomenal   achievement!
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Sat Sep 18 11:11:26 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:11:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
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Congratulations Good Dr. Mayf!

Sandy



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Sent: Sat,
September 18, 2010 7:04:07 AM
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record

i
didn't see this mentioned on the list yet:
http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682

congratulations mayf!   
an phenomenal achievement!
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From bomber44 at comcast.net  Sat Sep 18 11:34:04 2010
From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:34:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top for Sale
Message-ID: <85842104-A61C-43B8-8ED5-B36C4E88524B@comcast.net>

All

I recieved a phone call this morning from a gentleman who has a hardtop for
sale.  The hardtop is located in Apple Valley , Ca (So Cal) and from the
description I received it is complete, unrestored but missing the rear window
and associated trim.

I am forwarding this information onto you so it can be placed in the various
newsletters, and to the tigerlist.  This is all the information I have and
thought someone would want it before tries ebay or scrap.

 His contact information is:

Rick
760-887-3442
rick196976 at hotmail.com

From cmeinel464 at aol.com  Sat Sep 18 11:43:28 2010
From: cmeinel464 at aol.com (cmeinel464 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:43:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
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Wow, Mayf, you did it !!!!!!
Curt
Classic Sunbeam Inc.






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Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record


Congrats on living your dream....and we get a kick watching and hearing
bout it. Worlds fastest Sunbeam.....now  that's  got a nice ring too  it.
hen's the tv show?
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Sep 18 14:49:49 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:49:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com>

Sincerest congratulations, Mayf, for a world record-breaking achievement.

In all the years in this game, you are the most deserving of being the 
one to break the record that Sir Henry Segrave set 83 years ago.

All these years of being forced to live in Pahrump, Nevada next to the 
Salt Flats. (and avoiding all the _/Working Girls/_).

Giving up most everything to beat the record shows tremendous dedication.

Best Fortune to you, and sincerest good wishes.






Steve Laifman

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>




Owain Lloyd wrote:
> i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet:
>
> *http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682*
>
> congratulations mayf!    an phenomenal achievement!
> _______________________________________________

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 15:50:46 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:50:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D38DF58539DA435AA1FE87E649F1C3B5@DellD4700>

Dr. Mayf, 

Wow, congratulations to you and your "team" on a hell of an achievement.
It's wonderful that you accomplished your dream while keeping your sense of
humor and the love of those around you (Especially after stealing your
wife's pot as a carb cover!).

I think we all feel just a little better today.

Thanks,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
> 
> i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet:
> 
> http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682
> 
> congratulations mayf!    an phenomenal achievement!
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Sat Sep 18 15:53:51 2010
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net>

  Mayf, you have fulfilled a personal dream, and made History.  Some 
thing most of us only dream about, but you did it.

Congratulations.

Larry

On 9/18/10 4:49 PM, Steve Laifman wrote:
> Sincerest congratulations, Mayf, for a world record-breaking achievement.
>
> In all the years in this game, you are the most deserving of being the
> one to break the record that Sir Henry Segrave set 83 years ago.
>
> All these years of being forced to live in Pahrump, Nevada next to the
> Salt Flats. (and avoiding all the _/Working Girls/_).
>
> Giving up most everything to beat the record shows tremendous dedication.
>
> Best Fortune to you, and sincerest good wishes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Laifman
>
> /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/*<http://www.tigersunited.com>
>
>
>
>
> Owain Lloyd wrote:
>> i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet:
>>
>> *http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682*
>>
>> congratulations mayf!    an phenomenal achievement!
>> _______________________________________________
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Sep 18 16:16:43 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:16:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com> <4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2>

Congrats Dr. Mayf on the record.  And..., I believe this would put you in 
the 200 MPH club as well. So, double congrats.  :-)

Tom Witt 

From H2Otor at aol.com  Sat Sep 18 16:21:35 2010
From: H2Otor at aol.com (H2Otor at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:21:35 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Bumper alignment
Message-ID: <5a83c.3862e18e.39c6956f@aol.com>

Jim
When I purchased my Tiger years ago the bumpers were not aligned correctly, 
 but they were not that miss aligned.
When aligned both the front and rear bumpers I replaced the front  bumper 
with a NOS bumper I had stored away and the alignment was way off for  having 
the front of the bumper guards nice and vertical.
I used a torch to heat the bumper brackets and bend them to get them to  
align with the bumper. I fitted the brackets to the bumper first then heated 
and  bent the brackets to get the correct distance between the body mounting 
holes  while centering the bumper to the car body and then heated and bent 
the brackets  to get the correct vertical alignment when mounting it to the 
body  brackets. I removed the brackets from the bumper each time I heated the 
 brackets to keep from burning the chrome on the bumpers. Bending on either 
 bracket will affect the other side when mounting the bumper to the car. I 
spent  2 or 3 days aligning each bumper when I would heat it with a torch 
and bend it,  let it cool, bolt the bracket to the bumper and test fit it to 
the car. Would I  want to do another bumper alignment "NO".
 
John Watertor
65 Tiger

From chris at cthompson.net  Sat Sep 18 17:37:38 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:37:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4C954D42.4060500@cthompson.net>

  congrats mayf!  no more "wannabe"!!  can't wait 'till your heart slows 
back down,
you launder your pants, and are able to give us all a full report.....

On 9/18/2010 10:04 AM, Owain Lloyd wrote:
> i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet:
>
> http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682
>
> congratulations mayf!    an phenomenal achievement!
> _______________________________________________

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 17:46:06 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:46:06 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] bumper alignment
In-Reply-To: <407FAEECEE6B4D8B84A6E72DDB406E4E@ronpc1>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTinrakmcngEoV6mtFGfaBWW7khF26EELkVcQYDN1@mail.gmail.com>

As mentioned its likely the mounts are a little out or the irons bent. Most
sunbeams have the angled down or up depending how much effort they have put
in to aligning them. I did this on my alpine at the start of the year.. took
hours of twisting, bending and aligning the bumper irons to get the bumper
sitting level and with an even gap the the front valence on both sides..
small tweaks make a big difference.. be patient and adjust small amounts at
a  time. Do not twist using the bumper.. release the tension on it and twist
the irons

On 19 September 2010 01:16, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Jim
>        The Parts List does show a different part # for each bumper bracket
> and I don't know if they are marked.
>
>        The mounting point on the body for the bumpers in not that robust it
> can be bent out of position; the bracket could be bent some too.  Put a
> longer bolt into the mount point and use a pipe or lever arm to slowly
> rotate the angle of the mounting point until the bumper is level.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16 AM
> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Tigers] bumper alignment
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Friend Gary Fish came over with his newly chromed bumpers mounted on his
> black Tiger. Nice!
>
> Except.....that in the front, the side parts were at a 45 degree pointing
> down and the front pointed up. After sorting through my extensive
> collection
>
> of  junk front bumper brackets, we found that they were handed, and tried
> mounting  the bumper, swapping the brackets from one side to the other.
> Didn't seem to  make a difference.
>
> Is there anything written on the subject? Any ideas what we are doing
> wrong? BTW: my bumper has not yet been replaced with the new one (been on
> for
> quite a while) and it suffers from the same sort of issue.
>
> Please help.
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Sat Sep 18 18:23:13 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:23:13 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger
Message-ID: <1f74fe.668bde5c.39c6b1f1@aol.com>

Here's a pretty good discussion of the Camber Tire...it was definitely a  
hot topic amongst us in SCCA a few months ago.
 
 
_http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/410825.aspx_ 
(http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/410825.aspx)  
 
 
 

 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2010 7:58:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
atwittsend at verizon.net writes:

That  seems... strange.  At least by the image provided. They induce an 
angle  
in the tire (camber) BUT, the tire rides flat (as if there was zero  
camber). 
So, when the car corners the forces would seem to negate the  'built in" 
camber just like a regular tire.  In fact as the car  corners it seems the 
car would ride up on the outer part of the tire and  increase the speed at 
which it would loose grip

If the point of  negative camber is a tire level with the road surface - 
while cornering,  it seems this idea is reinventing the wheel in circular 
reasoning.   Am I missing something?
Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday,  September 17, 2010 7:33 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non  Tiger


> When the talk of camber comes up, try this   one.
> Mark
>
>  
_http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/
>  _
>  
(http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/)
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Sep 18 20:26:10 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:26:10 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report....
Message-ID: <4C9574C2.3040707@mayfco.com>

  The wife and I just rolled into the driveway.

The Sunbeam is now, I consider, no longer a wannabe.  On Thursday I 
pulled off a 204.9xx last timed mile and managed to run through the exit 
trap at 210.7x mph.  Driving one handed on teh last mile at speed..cause 
the other one was firmly attached to teh chute release, lol....

I'll send out more info tomorrow after I quit riding... Been in the 
truck since 9 am this morning and am pooped.

Met a coup0le of really nice guys, one first timer and the second a list 
member. The first was Funbeam Chuck aka Chuck Colley. He was in Pahrump 
came to see the car before we left and then went to WOS to be with us. 
Helped immensely!  The other was Bob Hokanson. He had been to the shop 
once before, but was in Salt Lake City and came over and checked things 
out and even helped us put it all back into the trailer on Friday.  
Wonderful men!


more later!!

oh, didn't hurt the motor either.

mayf
worlds fastest suneam, 204.9.xx and 210.7xx exit speed

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Sep 18 20:26:21 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:26:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger
References: <1f74fe.668bde5c.39c6b1f1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ED446D52995448F0BDF59096088756A0@student2>

Thank you for the link.  I read five pages deep. This is what I got from it:

1. The concept seems best suited for cars that won't/can't be adjusted to a 
desirable camber level. The limitation may be design or class rules.

2. Apparently certain race tires have been "cut" with camber dialed in for 
many years. While it may not be as specific as this camber tire concept the 
idea in principle seems have a "history."


3. There were a fair number of people who questioned what I did.  That 
primarily being as the larger, outer edge has cornering forces applied the 
effect would be for the tire to roll up on its outer edge (the larger outer 
edge) and cause the smaller inner portion of the tire to lift off the ground 
negating the purpose of this specialized tire.

That said apparently the bumble bee isn't suppose to fly either, so I assume 
anything is possible.

Tom
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MWood24020 at aol.com
  To: atwittsend at verizon.net ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger


  Here's a pretty good discussion of the Camber Tire...it was definitely a 
hot topic amongst us in SCCA a few months ago.

  http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/410825.aspx




  In a message dated 9/17/2010 7:58:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
atwittsend at verizon.net writes:
    That seems... strange.  At least by the image provided. They induce an 
angle
    in the tire (camber) BUT, the tire rides flat (as if there was zero 
camber).
    So, when the car corners the forces would seem to negate the 'built in"
    camber just like a regular tire.  In fact as the car corners it seems 
the
    car would ride up on the outer part of the tire and increase the speed 
at
    which it would loose grip

    If the point of negative camber is a tire level with the road surface -
    while cornering, it seems this idea is reinventing the wheel in circular
    reasoning.  Am I missing something?
    Tom

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
    To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
    Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:33 PM
    Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger


    > When the talk of camber comes up, try this  one.
    > Mark
    >
    > 
_http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/
    > _
    > 
(http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/)
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Sat Sep 18 21:46:51 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:46:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report....
In-Reply-To: <4C9574C2.3040707@mayfco.com>
References: <4C9574C2.3040707@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb57ad$4cb6acb0$e6240610$@net>

Congrats, Mayf!  It's been fun to follow along...

Kirk

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 7:26 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report....

  The wife and I just rolled into the driveway.

The Sunbeam is now, I consider, no longer a wannabe.  On Thursday I 
pulled off a 204.9xx last timed mile and managed to run through the exit 
trap at 210.7x mph.  Driving one handed on teh last mile at speed..cause 
the other one was firmly attached to teh chute release, lol....

I'll send out more info tomorrow after I quit riding... Been in the 
truck since 9 am this morning and am pooped.

Met a coup0le of really nice guys, one first timer and the second a list 
member. The first was Funbeam Chuck aka Chuck Colley. He was in Pahrump 
came to see the car before we left and then went to WOS to be with us. 
Helped immensely!  The other was Bob Hokanson. He had been to the shop 
once before, but was in Salt Lake City and came over and checked things 
out and even helped us put it all back into the trailer on Friday.  
Wonderful men!


more later!!

oh, didn't hurt the motor either.

mayf
worlds fastest suneam, 204.9.xx and 210.7xx exit speed
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From davidandvarley at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 19 06:46:41 2010
From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:46:41 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds fastest Sunbeam..........
Message-ID: <BLU148-W2431015559E7D56A49FBECCF7D0@phx.gbl>

Dr Mayf,

You did it.

Fantastic. Wish I had been there to see/hear/feel it...it must have been
amazing.

Absolutely Great effort.

What's next?

Cheers
David Tweddle
Perth, Western Australia.

From gleibert185 at comcast.net  Sun Sep 19 07:06:07 2010
From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:06:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] WORLDS Fastest Sunbeam
Message-ID: <EE05DBDA25A248D1AF75CB73E81D92D5@mylaptop>

Mayf,

 

Congratulations on a job well done.  Gonna try for 300?

 

Will this qualify for the Guinness book of World Records?

 

Wish I also could have been there to see/hear it.

 

George in PA near Tiger Tom

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 19 07:35:05 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:35:05 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 1,
	Monday
Message-ID: <4C961189.2010708@mayfco.com>

   Monday; This was drive to the salt day. We had already loaded the big 
red trailer with all the bits and pieces and all the fuel tanks were 
filled.  So, we got up at 3 am, yes, you read that right, 3 am, and 
headed out. We went through the Las Vegas area on I-15 and that was the 
reason for the early start.  Monday was a working day in LV and traffic 
is absolutely murder. Throw in a construction site or two and of course 
it just gets miserable.  But we hit I-5 at 5 am and we went through 
without a hitch.  We buzzed along without incident and made it to Ash 
Springs, on US 93, where we always gas up again (just topping off the 
big tanks). grab a cuppa and a egg/ham/cheese/muffin before we continue. 
Of course the obligatory pee break (wife is always with me, lol).  No 
problems and we cruised up high way 318 between Ash Springs and Lund, 
NV. This is the road where the Silver State Classic is held and it is 
being run today, Sunday, the 19 th. The beginning of Sr 318 is also 
where the ET highway (SR 375) launches and runs up through Nevada next 
to the Area 51 location and through Rachel. Did that road once, but, not 
likely to do it again, lol.  Stopped in Ely for a cold drink and more 
fuel. Still no issues. Made it to Wendover on US 93A about 7 1/2 total 
hours. Drove straight out to the salt flat and into the pits and parked. 
Set up the ground cloth, put up the metal framework for the awning. Wes 
Potter, one of my most favorite people in the world stopped by and 
mentioned that they were doing some inspections on the cars. We decided 
to take advantage of that and beat the crowd, next day.  Got the car's 
logbook out and put it into the truck, hooked up the 8 foot long tow bar 
I have been using for the last 5 years and off we went to tech!  I 
usually make a large swoopy turn with that long tow bar and, ahem, 
thought I had done so this time. Turns out, no, no I didn't.  {ulled 
into the inspection line and the car seems to be in an odd position 
behind the truck.  Didn't think a thing about it until one of my other 
friends, Tom Shannon mentioned in passing that I might need to take a 
look at the tow bar. AGHHHHHH!  It was bent at a 90 degree angle!  We 
tried to straighten it out, but twas a no go. Off to a god start for 
this meet...NOT!    Put the wife, oh hell, her name is Cathy, into the 
car and let her guide it back to the pit, sans inspection. Just as we 
reached the pit, the bar failed entirely and she aimed the car to miss 
the truck. Well, done, spouse!  The loss of the tow bar was and is not a 
major issue because we also have a push bar on the car and a push bumper 
on the truck. It was getting late in the day by then, so we put the 
cover on the car and locked the trailer. Headed into Wendover to a bath 
and some pretty fair food at the Peppermill. I like Asian and I like 
theirs best.  Watch a bit of news and into bed.


Tuesday is next.

mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 19 08:02:11 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:02:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 2,
	Tuesday
Message-ID: <4C9617E3.8000902@mayfco.com>

  Tuesday

Tuesday was WOS tech inspection and pit set up day for the normal people 
who do not arrive a day early. As is or normal routine, we have 
breakfast before heading out to the salt. That generally means that we 
hit the Red Garter around 6:15 am or so for their 2.99 breakfast. Hey, 
gotta save where we can and it is pretty much ok. A lot of teams have 
breakfast there.  And of course, we always see old friends and were 
pleasantly surprised when one of our favorites, Jon and Keilani Amo 
walked by with..surprise, a new baby! Tyler. Wow, what a nice young man. 
Jon and Keilani had a stream liner they are now running for records.  
Nice vehicle! Off to the salt to get ready for inspection. Grab the log 
book again and remove the car cover, and set up the awning. Have help 
this morning Funbeam Chuck (Chuck Colley) from Florida, just happened to 
drop in to assist and it was welcome indeed.  We pushed the car down to 
inspection and after a fair wait, we into the inspection station. Seems 
like a new crowd of inspectors each time I go. For our car, it take two 
inspectors and both must sign off. Their was noting at issue with the 
car as I am kind of anal about little things that might get me killed, 
lol... The push bar worked to perfection. BUT.... every time the car had 
been moved around since 2006, it had been on the end of the tow bar. Me, 
in the ruck doing the towing. Now, I was in the car steering. Holy 
Smokes! It makes so much noise with rattle, bangs, thumps chirps that I 
had to stop twice to see if it was falling apart, lol. It has absolutely 
no sound proofing or anti rattle installed. Never heard any of that 
before, lol. Back in the pit, we decide to upload the tune to the 
tweecer in all four positions.
Ugh oh! Having problems to get the laptop to actually write to the 
tweecer. It shows the progress bar but nothing happened. We pulled 
connectors, filled and finally go it going. Have had issues like this 
before and it is beginning to aggravate me, lol. Started data logging 
and that started and data logged ok. Then for the rest of the set up day 
we just schmoozed with people who came by. I honestly believe that the 
Sunbeam is the most photographed car on the salt, no kidding. We had 
photogs from Germany taking picture, actually two different ones. One 
had a pretty assistant, lol.  Decided to put it all away in prep for the 
next days Driver's meeting and racing on Wednesday.

mayf

From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com  Sun Sep 19 08:03:56 2010
From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:03:56 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] WORLDS Fastest Sunbeam
Message-ID: <19f9b0.a1573a9.39c7724c@aol.com>

Congrats, Mayf.
 
Sunbeams are no longer made but that doesn't mean they can't make  history.
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 9/19/2010 9:06:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gleibert185 at comcast.net writes:

Mayf,



Congratulations on a job well done.   Gonna try for 300?



Will this qualify for the Guinness book of  World Records?



Wish I also could have been there to see/hear  it.



George in PA near Tiger  Tom
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From glowboy at starstream.net  Sun Sep 19 08:11:29 2010
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:11:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report....
Message-ID: <201009190711.AA45809894@mail.starstream.net>

mayf 
worlds fastest suneam, 204.9.xx and 210.7xx exit speed

Like that new signature ... nice ring to it!

Derrick 




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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 19 08:46:02 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:46:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3,
 Wednesday, Part A
Message-ID: <4C96222A.9050202@mayfco.com>

  Wednesday, in two parts
First day of real race activity.  As usual, we did our breakfast thing 
at the red Garter and headed out. Had to be on the salt and at 
registration by 8 am for the driver's meeting. They had moved it up an 
hour or two to get more racing it.  Fair number of folk at the meeting.  
The rules of racing etiquette were explained to all of us after the 
blessing and special mentions they always do. WOS uses the long course 
for 150 mph club cars, who go to the 3 mile markers, and for the rest of 
us who may or may not get to the 5 mile markers.  If there is trouble, 
turn right to the inside of the course and they send response vehicles 
to help. Normal is turn left.  There are graded turn offs about every 
quarter mile along the way.  there is a shorter course where the 130 mph 
club car race and it is limited to , I believe 1 mile.  We don't run on 
it, lol.  But, lots of folk do. This is basically you street car with 
basic safety equipment. I believe the cars need to be licensed.  We 
drove the long course as we always do, noting any particular ugly spots, 
like loose salt or big ruts made by the high power cars of Speed Week.  
Ruts are not much fun. Back to the pits. We go by the fuel trailer and 
get our 16 gallon barrel filled. Yikes, it gets more expensive every 
year! But, the gasoline we use is the very best I have ever seen for a 
turbo or blown car.  We Use ERC's A8C gasoline and I will use nothing 
else, ever, lol. Back to the pit.... fuel the car and lock down the deck 
lid and put in all the small braces from the spoiler to the rear 
valence.  Funbeam Chuck helped immensely with all of that.  Decided to 
reload the tune into the A9P and tweecer again. Same freaking issues as 
Tuesday. Does not seem to want to work. But finally we get it to upload 
and data log. Grab the gear and go. Now folks, lemme tell you what is 
required for the driver when a front engined blown car over 175 mph is 
involved.  The driver is required to have an SFI 3.2A/20 fire suit. Now 
that is about 1/2 inches of fire resistant materials and hotter than 
hell. Pant ans tunic. Must have arm restraints sewn into the sleevers of 
the jacket. Must have Sfi 3.2A/15 funny car boots.  I forget what the 
Sfi is for the gloves but they are funny car gloves as well. A SA2005 
helmet is required.  I am a fat old guy and with all of that on, I look 
like a blue Michelin Man, lol.  A hot sweaty Michelin Man....  We start 
putting al off that on when we get to about car 6 or 7 in line on our 
side of the starting line. They run 150 cars on one side and salt cars 
on the other.

see part B

mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 19 08:46:08 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:46:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3,
 Wednesday, Part B
Message-ID: <4C962230.70809@mayfco.com>

  Wednesday, Part B

That way they launch a long course car and as soon as it clears the 3 
mile, they launch a 150 car. and they bounce back and forth that way to 
keep things going.  Well, things start to go funny.... we put in 40 
pounds of ice into the intercooler and start setting up the laptop. It 
did not want to talk to the tweecer!  After rebooting and turning the 
A9P on and off, it did start and I set it to data logging.  As soon as I 
see tha data logging is stable and is continuing, we close the laptop 
and put the aluminum tonneau on. My good friend Dale Pulju is in charge 
of getting me geared up and into the car and locking down teh tonnea 
cover. We have an extension power cable from the push truck to the car 
to power the laptop during the long wait times. It just takes data until 
the motor is turned off at the end of the run.  Now I get into the 
car...can you say oh boy?  I squirm into the roll cage, wiggle my butt 
into place and Dale puts the belts on. Lemme tell ya, When Dale pulls on 
the belts, you are definitely part of the car.  Ahh, but here is where 
the fun on this run begins.... I had reinstalled the full diameter 
steering wheel I had used some time ago because I had installed a 
steering ratio reducer and it was a bit oft set.  I figured that it woul 
allow me to make easy turns. This was the first time for the ratio 
reducer.  Well, the big steering wheel caused me no end of grief, lol. 
First, my left hand was trapped under it and I could not move it far 
enough to get it into position to put my hand on it at the 10 o'clock 
position. Push up to the line where Dale tells the starter that we are 
just making a check run to about the 3 mile to make sure nothing falls 
off the car, that the steering works, and the new fuel system works as 
well and oh, the intercooler keeps the air cooler.  So there I sit when 
the starter comes over, Monty,  and chats with me, pulls on the harness 
and tells me to start the car. I do, and he oints down course. I slip 
the shifter into 1,2,3 position and off I go. With my gas pedal foot 
trapped behind the freaking gas pedal.  and then I find out that, crap, 
my brake foot is also trapped behind the brake pedal.  Crap! On course 
at an idle... Folk were snickering and making fun, lol, I learned later. 
My good friends, lol.... I did managed to get both feet in some position 
to mash things and off I finally went. It was that large steering wheel 
that caused the problem I had prevented my legs from any movement at all 
because it was right on them.  Well, we made our check run at something 
under 150 mph and turned off and went to the return road. My friend Tom 
Shannon who is a course worker came over and asked if it was ok and 
handed me a bottle of water. Helped me get then booties off. Handed me a 
hand written timing slip telling me what I had managed.   I think he was 
giggling but I can't be sure. But, thanks Tom!   Back to the pit. 
Changed that steering wheel to the butterfly one I had been using. Also 
added 15 degrees up angle to the spoiler because it was twitchy out 
there on the course even at 150 or slower.  Snugged the car down for the 
night.  Took the printer and lap top back to he hotel where I made a 
change to the spark table.  I had modifiedd it ut for some reason, some 
of the cells I didn't change were pretty high spark for the modest load 
I was seeing. Made those changes and we headed out to supper and early bed.

Wednesday was finally done and I was still alive, lol as was the car.....

From wseay at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 19 09:02:09 2010
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:02:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record
In-Reply-To: <ca8e.56ee957.39c63c4a@aol.com>
References: <ca8e.56ee957.39c63c4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb580b$a28d87e0$e7a897a0$@com>

Congratulations Mayf, you did it!  I'm sure that if Sir Henry were here
today that he would be applauding.  So what's next?  I hope you have another
quest in mind.  The Tiger list would be considerably less interesting
without updates on your latest adventures.

Will Seay_____________
wseay at embarqmail.com

-----Original Message-----

 
In a message dated 9/18/2010 7:05:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes:

i didn't  see this mentioned on the list  yet:

http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682

congratulations  mayf!    an phenomenal  achievement!

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 19 10:13:13 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:13:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3,
 Thursday, Part B
Message-ID: <4C963699.1070108@mayfco.com>

  Thursday Part B

Ok, now in the right gear and headed down course. Kinda of feathering it 
for some idiotic reason, maybe the twitchy course from yesterday was 
stuck in my head... but by the 2 and a quarter mile trap I was only 
going 166 (I think that's what it was, I'll have to go out and get the 
timing slip and look). But, I continued to mash the pedal more. There 
was the previous 5500 rpm position, then 5600, then I mashed a LOT more 
and  by the start of the  4th mile I was truly hauling ass.  Maybe 5800 
going into the last timed mile. Now the car is drifting around, not 
crazily, but wandering, which is expected somewhat. But, the back end 
was breaking traction and the rear was moving a foot or so either way in 
addition to the drifting.  Now, folks, lemme tell you, that in this 
condition, of drift and see saw and me being a noob at this speed I was 
scared pretty much spit less!  I drove the last mile with one hand only 
on the steering wheel, just moving the car as needed to keep it between 
the course markers and the other hand on the chute release.  I really do 
not like "spins". So I was gonna be ready if it decided to cut loose. I 
kept the tach above 6000 for the end of the run and when the 5 mile 
marker went by,  I pulled the chute.  Now one time before at 175 or so I 
did that and the car went side ways, so this time I was braced to go 
side ways. Yikes! The chute hit and the car stopped squirming around and 
went absolutely dead straight. I could have removed my hands from the 
steering wheel. it was so good. Wow, what a relief.  As I drove that 
last mile, I tried to look at gauges but the one that I really watched 
was the oil pressure gauge. Heck it was 70 psig!  As I slowed down and 
turned off course it dawned on me that it took nearly a full mile to get 
the car stopped.  When I got it stopped and pointed in the go home 
direction, I pulled off gloves, released the harness, pulled the helmet 
and stood up. Got out and pulled the booties and jacket off and 
pants...it is hot with all that stuff on. Then Tom Shannon arrived with 
the water bottle and a quick look at the car. Was a wisp of smoke 
drifting out of the back of the hood opening. So he undid the dzus 
fasteners and looked Asked me if anything was wrong and I told him that 
dang it had never been ran that hard before. I expected a little smoke.  
Later back in the pit, Dale found the connectors to the HEGO welded 
together, lol... That was the source of the smoke wisp.  Seemed like a 
long wait for the push truck, but they are limited to about 50 mph and 
they had a long way to come, lol....  When they arrived, I removed the 
chute and off we went...at 20 mph.... Got to the timing shack and got my 
timing slip. Can you say YEEHAAA! 204.912 average for the last mile and 
a 210.7.xx exit speed! The car was still accelerating going out the back 
door!

Back at the pit, I am anxious to see how the engine data looked. But, 
the data logging had failed me once again.  I am not sure how it failed 
but I got the dataq 4 channels and the Innovate wide band which are 
recorded outside of the engine payload. But when something fails to 
respond to polling it usually stops data logging on everything.  It did 
not do this this time. I did show that the AFR was great, and that boost 
reached 11.8 or so, was set to approximately 10 as close as on can turn 
a knob, so that was fantastic!   Do I see 15 psig in the future?   
maybe.....

We settled down for a quiet period then put the cover on the car and 
took the awning down and went to the hotel to get ready for supper at 
the Rainbow Steakhouse. My opinion is that this is by far the best 
restaurant in town. Spendy but really good.



Friday and Sat next!

mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 19 10:13:08 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:13:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3,
	Thursday, Part A
Message-ID: <4C963694.3010100@mayfco.com>

  Thursday in Two Parts...

The day dawned bright and clear.  Up early for our usual breakfast and 
headed out.  Allowed to get on the salt at 7 am, no camping on the salt 
ever. Get the car uncovered, and the awning up.   Checked the tire 
pressures: I run 60 in the Goodyear Front Runners and 70 in the Goodyear 
Front Runner LSR tires.  I do that because the car will kind of hinge 
around the front end even in a long slide with the rear tires making the 
long excursions sideways. So I want those suckers to have no grip 
sideways at all to prevent rolling them off the rims and then the rims 
digging into the salt and pole vaulting the car up and over. No, no, I 
do not like that scenario at all.  Check the oil and it is right on the  
mark and even though it has an aborted dyno run and the, ahem, fun run 
of yesterday on it, it looks like I just poured it in.  dale touches 
everything under the hood to make sure it was all ok, Funbeam Chuck also 
adds a pair of eyes looking to make sure it is all satisfactory.  We put 
more fuel into the car. We actual don't really use much Around a gallon  
and a half for a full boogie run through the 5 mile, charge the battery 
for an hour or so while we fiddle around with stuff, and putting gear 
into the truck.  I take three tires with the truck just in case one gets 
farkled and needs one to make it back to the pit.  Tool bag just in 
case, lager ice chest for IC ice. Normal cooler for drinks for the crew, 
and a host of other stuff.  When the driver is ready,  we sally forth. 
Dale does the push truck driving duties, Chuck is riding shotgun and the 
crew chief is in the rear seat.  They push me the 3 or so miles to the 
start line where we get into an interminably slow line. Glacial speed is 
an overstatement. Seems like just about every other car or bike has some 
kind of down course farkle. Was the same yesterday. Had a T-bird lose a 
glass window... wow, what a chore that is. every piece of glass has to 
be found and picked up.  While waiting inline we always get lots of folk 
who stop by and chat and take pictures. I had a wonderful conversation 
with a high school girl and boy. They stopped by and chatted for almost 
30 minutes. What a delight!  We keep pushing to the line with our 
comment of "time for the hourly move 10 feet forward"....  But, we 
finally get to the location we chose to start gearing up.   I put on the 
suit pants and my under booty shoes and then start the laptop.  Turn on 
the battery power to the car, start the A9P and tweecer. Start the 
laptop and crap, not talking to the tweecer.  Shut everything down and 
reboot it all.  had to do that a couple of times to get it to data 
logging. Seems to be working satisfactorily. I had earlier loaded the 
spark changes I made into the tweecer so hopefully that would be ok.  
Filled the IC tank with another 40 pounds of ice, closed it's lid and 
Dale put the tonneau on.  I finish gearing up and we put me into the 
car, or is that we put the car around me?   But this time things are 
different! My left hand is not trapped by that big steering wheel and I 
can move my legs around to the pedals! Life is good, lol... Get to the 
line and Dale says to the starter, he is gonna make a full run this 
time.  Monty, the starter comes over tries to pull some more on the 
straps which is futile because when Dale pulls on them, they are TIGHT. 
I can almost breathe. I do a lot of deep breathing, because honestly, I 
don't know how far down range I get before I do actually breathe.  This 
time the starter say light it up, and when I nod, he points down range. 
I snick it into the AODs middle position on the gear shift, which is 
supposed to be 1,2,3 without OD.  I set off and after a short while that 
sucker shifts into OD! I mash the pedal a bit and it down shifts into 
what is I hope 3rd. Then I move the shift lever to a position which is 
hopefully the right gear. Nothing happens. well, it shouldn't because  
it is in third gear. Knot headed me, I decide to change the gear shift 
position once again.  Well, lemme tell ya, from third to second and the 
engine RPM buzzed to about 7200 rpm and I nearly head a heart attack, 
lol. My first thought was that it the motor was merely injured before, 
it was fatally so this time.

see part B

mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Sep 19 10:52:27 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:52:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 4 & 5,
	Friday and Saturday
Message-ID: <4C963FCB.4080409@mayfco.com>

  Basking in the glory... well, not really, lol.  But I am proud of what 
we did. Friday was a lazy day with lots of schmoozing with everybody 
because we had previously been busy.  Chatted with some Ferrari folk who 
had brought the wrecked and repaired one (which model  was that?) . 
Their wheels cost more than my entire operation, lol. They jad a killer 
tow truck for the trailer. COE Chevy or GMC circa 1953 or so, with an 
added crew cab section. They had added a twin turbo setup and had 
indicated that they were making around 815 hp. Other than that, they 
were not very friendly or chatty, so we wandered back to our pit.  They 
weren't impressed by the Sunbeam at all and they were in pout engine 
class and body class.  Bob Hokanson called and came down to out pit and 
filled in for Funbeam Chuck who had left the night before. He had places 
to go and country to see. And a football game to watch.  We wandered 
down to the starting line and met some of the people I know. Scott 
Guthrie was there, I think he signle handedly populated the ECTA bike 
record book, lol.  He is a cool guy an dI always like chatting with 
him.  Ran into Rex Svoda (Please forgive me for mispelling this) and Tom 
Burkland. Both are heores of mine. They were herding the SAAB that has 
teh ginormous Keith Black (?) fuel burning hemi  up the long course 
parking lot commonly called the prestaging line.  After chatting with 
everyone I knew we wandered back to the pit and lazily loaded the 
trailer and stuffed the car in. BOB got in the car and drove it into the 
trailer as I ran the winch. Cool.  He helped tie it all down and  when 
the dust had settled he begged hour forgiveness and returned to his wife 
Bev who was in Salt Lake City.  Thanks a lot Bob! I needed help and you 
gave generously!  The trailer was et to go and we went back to the 
hotel. We had been having martinis that Monte Wolfe provided every 
evening so we grabbed him and Dale and we headed out to Monte's favorite 
steak house for a dinner treat on us. He and Dale kept us sane the whole 
time and for that I say thanks! We had a grest supper and then it was 
off to bed.

Saturday morning we got up, settled with the hotel (1000 dollars less 
that the same number of nights last year at speed week, same hotel).  
and headed for the Salt Flats Cafe at teh truck stop. We alwasy try and 
have one meal there every meet. Marcello, the jolly Mexican, always 
treats everyone well. We decide to go crazy and have biscuits and gravy, 
with a couple of eggs on the side, lol. Delicious!  Out to the course, 
hooked up and ready to go. Our friend and pit mate next door, was towing 
out for another go at getting into impound on a 308 record.  Not sure 
how that went as we left shortly there after and headed out and home. 
Not an issue until we got to Ely. Pulled into the Shell station at the 
junction of US 6 and US 93, got the rig into fuel position, got out to 
kick the tires and holy crap! the middle tire on the drivers side of the 
trailer was in tatters. Completely destroyed.  I finished fueling and 
moved the truck to a parking area and we changed that tire. Then I 
looked at the last tire on that side and it was failing also. Tread 
separation.  So, we had to find two replacement tires before we could 
set off again. Took a couple of hours before we were under way again. 
But I wasn't headed from Ely to Tonopah with out a spare and that other 
tire replaced.  No further incidents along the way however.  The tires 
that were on teh trailer when I purchased new, are Maxxis 8008. I have 
so far replaced most of them. They will go no further on this trailer! I 
will get some good commercial bias belted tires hopefully for respected 
manufacturers for future towing. No more of these tires. JUNK.

I want to thanks some of the folk who helped immensely on this project. 
Especially in the engine management area.  Those would be Mike Glover 
for designing, fabricating and making work the TWEECER!  You da man! I 
hope I now have for sure the fastest tweecer in all the world. Anybody 
had theirs go faster for a timed mile? Then there was Clint Garrity, I 
use BE and EA to help me understand what is going on in the A9P and 
Tweecer. I need to chat with both of you off list because of this lack 
of data logging.  I need to know how to prevent this from happening 
again.  Never the less, without the both of you, this project wold have 
died in still birth. So, you have my undying thanks! And should we meet, 
beers is definitely on me! Supper too! I know there were a zillion folk 
who corresponded and helped and commented on the myriad questions I 
posed and to all of you, I also say many many thanks. I'll have more 
questions in the future, I promise you!

Lastly but certainly not least, is Dan Nicoson. Dan has been kinda my 
silent partner and sounding board during all of this. He has kept me on 
the straight and narrow and driving in the right direction to get it 
done.  One day I will be headed to Round Rock to take him and his wife 
to their favorite restaurant just as I did for the on site crew.

One last guy... When I first started to make the engine run way back in 
2005, a fellow by the name of Ernie Groce drove over from Las Vegas and 
showed me how to make the tweecer work and how to data log.  Ernie now 
lives in the SLC area, but he is another of those that it wouldn't have 
worked without. Thanks, Ernie...

So, to all unnamed folk, I thank you humbly. I would not have happened 
without you.

mayf
worlds fastest Sunbeam, 204.912 mph, 210.7 exit speed.

From denismercier at telvic.net  Fri Sep  3 06:12:04 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:12:04 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] Help
Message-ID: <1F55E9FE4C1C4B858E87297601362F26@D7F0WHF1>

Hi listers.
His someone can tell me where can i find the shifter reverse T mine is broken
?
             Thanks !
             Denis.

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 19 19:06:03 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:06:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Request to mailing list Tigers rejected
Message-ID: <D8694596781B431089C79D66DB3FA64E@jeffnicholsPC>

  Now I know why my messages were not reaching the list.  Looks like a case
of censorship.


                                  Jeff

  
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Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:17 PM
To: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net
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Your request to the Tigers mailing list

    Posting of your message titled "FW: [Tigers] Say it aint so Joe!"

has been rejected by the list moderator.  The moderator gave the
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 19 20:49:53 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:49:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
Message-ID: <014CA8511D3647D4B2AA91B8BD3FC3BA@OfficePC>

Hi,

 

I'm slowly trying to put together the front suspension on my Tiger and I
have a question about a coil spring spacer.  I took the car apart about 20
years ago and I'm just now trying to put it back together.  I have rubber
spacers that look like they go on the top of the springs (according to the
shop manual) but I also have some aluminum spacers that I believe were on
the bottom of the springs.  I don't see these aluminum pieces in the shop
manual, so I don't know where they came from.  I guess it is possible the
original owner added them but they are shaped to fit the springs.  So I
guess they were specifically made for the Sunbeam coil springs.  Does
anybody know about these things?  Should I put them back in?  Or should I
find another rubber spacer of some kind so that the spring isn't just
digging into the A-arm?

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Sep 19 21:33:36 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:33:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Help
In-Reply-To: <1F55E9FE4C1C4B858E87297601362F26@D7F0WHF1>
References: <1F55E9FE4C1C4B858E87297601362F26@D7F0WHF1>
Message-ID: <616647.56624.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Denis -

I have a Nail with some tape on mine! I got a replacement from David
Kee top 
loader and I think the other fellow that rebuilds top loaders has the
part. I 
think you need to pull the shift leaver apart and so a bit of
soldering to 
replace it. I'm sure others out here have done the job can
explain it better.

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: denis mercier
<denismercier at telvic.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: denisetlouise at live.ca
Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 5:12:46 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Help

Hi listers.
His someone can tell me where can i find the shifter reverse T mine is broken
?
            Thanks !
            Denis.
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 19 21:45:10 2010
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:45:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
In-Reply-To: <014CA8511D3647D4B2AA91B8BD3FC3BA@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <236059.58481.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Joe,  i always thought the rubber ring only goes on the bottom of the
spring....( Sunb Spec sells them) an as far as allum spacers, your not
confusing them with the allum spacers that go between the suspension and body
are you?  (bolt holes go thru them)  never heard of an allum spacer on the
spring....home made maybe

--- On Sun, 9/19/10, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
To: "'Beamclub'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 10:49 PM


Hi,



I'm slowly trying to put together the front suspension on my Tiger and I
have a question about a coil spring spacer.  I took the car apart about 20
years ago and I'm just now trying to put it back together.  I have rubber
spacers that look like they go on the top of the springs (according to the
shop manual) but I also have some aluminum spacers that I believe were on
the bottom of the springs.  I don't see these aluminum pieces in the shop
manual, so I don't know where they came from.  I guess it is possible the
original owner added them but they are shaped to fit the springs.  So I
guess they were specifically made for the Sunbeam coil springs.  Does
anybody know about these things?  Should I put them back in?  Or should I
find another rubber spacer of some kind so that the spring isn't just
digging into the A-arm?



Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217
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From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Sep 19 21:53:21 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <236059.58481.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <236059.58481.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C96DAB1.4010707@cthompson.net>

  Looks like I need both a new ignition switch and a generator.  Anyone 
know off the top of their heads where to get them?

Thanks in advance -

Chris
B382000331

From tcprager at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 19 21:59:50 2010
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] shifter T-bar
In-Reply-To: <1F55E9FE4C1C4B858E87297601362F26@D7F0WHF1>
References: <1F55E9FE4C1C4B858E87297601362F26@D7F0WHF1>
Message-ID: <SNT111-DS9F868CA61599CD4C1184ACB7E0@phx.gbl>

Dear Denis,

  Silver soldering the cable can be very difficult and six years ago Bill
Heeley solved the problem with fast turnaround. Here is information from an
old thread:
    "The easiest way to change out the Shifter bar correctly, if you have
never
    done it before, is to send your old shifter (all of it) to  Bill Heeley
in
    Olney, Maryland.  He will R&R your entire shifter, put in a new "t" bar
and
    send it back.  His number is 301-774-6710"



  tom

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 19 22:03:51 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
In-Reply-To: <236059.58481.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <794942.1163.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe- the spacers Mike mentioned that go on top of the front suspension-
originally they are riveted on- they are not round, so its easy to see they
don't go on the springs but they do go between the frame rails and the
suspension- have two holes that the two bolts that hold each side(total of 4
bolts/holes) of the suspension to the car. Older ones tend to fall off as the
rivets rust and when the suspension is removed, they sometimes stick to the
suspension, other times to the frame rails- just depends on the area the car
lived in, if there was salt from winter roads or dry desert type life for the
car. Alpines have the same part, made of aluminum with an offset made into
them. I'm sure they are shims that have more than one reason for Rootes using
them. If they did not have the step in them, I would think they where just to
keep the two pieces of steel from rusting and perhaps if we have a member that
know their real reason they are installed, they would
 post it.
Mike I wasn't trying to step on your post, so please excuse me for doing so
but it was a bit confusing, considering he was talking about round parts and
the two aluminum pieces I'm thinking you mentioned are rectangular w/ 2
holes.
regards to all.
TonytheTiger (TonyLang)

--- On Sun, 9/19/10, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
To: "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 10:45 PM


Joe,  i always thought the rubber ring only goes on the bottom of the
spring....( Sunb Spec sells them) an as far as allum spacers, your not
confusing them with the allum spacers that go between the suspension and body
are you?  (bolt holes go thru them)  never heard of an allum spacer on the
spring....home made maybe

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Sep 19 22:04:15 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:04:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
References: <014CA8511D3647D4B2AA91B8BD3FC3BA@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <B3B3EF15EB604239AE7464D0FD0CD85B@student2>

Joe,
  The rubber spacers go in the upper cup of the crossmember. The aluminum 
spacers were likely made (or bought) to compensate for spring size 
irregularities (different size, sag etc.) or other misalignments.  I 
actually made spacers out of very hard fabric lined rubber.  In my case it 
was to compensate for cutting a tad too much out of CAT front springs.

Dialing in the front suspension is a bit like arranging furniture for your 
wife.  The likelihood of getting it right the first time is rather small.
Tom 

From jim at island.net  Sun Sep 19 22:37:57 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:37:57 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
In-Reply-To: <B3B3EF15EB604239AE7464D0FD0CD85B@student2>
References: <014CA8511D3647D4B2AA91B8BD3FC3BA@OfficePC>
	<B3B3EF15EB604239AE7464D0FD0CD85B@student2>
Message-ID: <45F49D4D5C85410AA80E54AB054B2D0A@JIMPC>

My car came with 2 aluminum 'coil' spacers on each side. They are installed
with a 1/2" ratchet and extension and sort of wind in and lock between a
couple of coils... This is usually done to raise the car back up after
someone cuts too much off the length of the coils in an effort to lower the
car. You can imagine how little suspension travel this leaves !! I wasn't
sure how to get my car to the height that I wanted so I ended up modifying
and installing QA1 Mustang II adjustable coilovers which fit into the stock
'pocket' at the top but are smaller diameter to fit around the shock at the
bottom. I ran this setup with no rubber donuts in the top until last year
when I installed some Minx  lowering spindles and have now got the donuts
back in but have about 3/8" shaved off the top of them... my a-arms are now
about level when the car is at rest so gives me a fair amount of travel to
the stops...

Jim
B382000446


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: September 19, 2010 9:04 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer

Joe,
  The rubber spacers go in the upper cup of the crossmember. The aluminum 
spacers were likely made (or bought) to compensate for spring size 
irregularities (different size, sag etc.) or other misalignments.  I 
actually made spacers out of very hard fabric lined rubber.  In my case it 
was to compensate for cutting a tad too much out of CAT front springs.

Dialing in the front suspension is a bit like arranging furniture for your 
wife.  The likelihood of getting it right the first time is rather small.
Tom 
_______________________________________________

From bob at rjosten.com  Sun Sep 19 22:46:04 2010
From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:46:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] shifter T-bar
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-DS9F868CA61599CD4C1184ACB7E0@phx.gbl>
References: <1F55E9FE4C1C4B858E87297601362F26@D7F0WHF1>
	<SNT111-DS9F868CA61599CD4C1184ACB7E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinugKNUwT=vf0rmV5ODam-kWnB3o4ECYOshxmck@mail.gmail.com>

I second this post by Thomas recommending Bill Heeley.
He also rebuilds the linkage for a very reasonable price and when you get it
back it looks like new.

regards
Bob J.


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Thomas Prager <tcprager at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Denis,
>
>  Silver soldering the cable can be very difficult and six years ago Bill
> Heeley solved the problem with fast turnaround. Here is information from an
> old thread:
>    "The easiest way to change out the Shifter bar correctly, if you have
> never
>    done it before, is to send your old shifter (all of it) to  Bill Heeley
> in
>    Olney, Maryland.  He will R&R your entire shifter, put in a new "t" bar
> and
>    send it back.  His number is 301-774-6710"
>
>
>
>  tom
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Sep 20 00:38:02 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:38:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <4C96DAB1.4010707@cthompson.net>
References: <236059.58481.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4C96DAB1.4010707@cthompson.net>
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Don't know about the generator, but got an ignition switch from sunbeam
specalties.

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Chris Thompson
<chris at cthompson.net>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010
8:53:21 PM
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch

Looks like I need both a new
ignition switch and a generator.  Anyone know off 
the top of their heads
where to get them?

Thanks in advance -

Chris
B382000331
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From chris at cthompson.net  Mon Sep 20 05:32:43 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:32:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <816713.55389.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <236059.58481.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4C96DAB1.4010707@cthompson.net>
	<816713.55389.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C97465B.4070100@cthompson.net>

  Thanks, Sandy - I couldn't find it last nite on Rick's on-line 
catalog.  Poked around again this morning and found it cleverly hidden 
under "switches".  Looks like I need es56 - the electrical part.  Will 
call Rick later today.

Some people suggested I just need brushes for the generator, but it's 
the armature that's shot. And there used to be shops around here that 
rebuilt starters/generators, etc., but no more unfortunately.  When the 
world wakes up here, I'll start calling my local sources.....

Thanks, everyone!

Chris
B382000331

On 9/20/2010 2:38 AM, Sandy Ganz wrote:
> Don't know about the generator, but got an ignition switch from sunbeam
> specalties.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Thompson<chris at cthompson.net>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 8:53:21 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
>
> Looks like I need both a new ignition switch and a generator.  Anyone know off
> the top of their heads where to get them?
>
> Thanks in advance -
>
> Chris
> B382000331

From gabbardalex at att.net  Mon Sep 20 06:17:34 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:17:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tail shaft housing
In-Reply-To: <4C97465B.4070100@cthompson.net>
References: <236059.58481.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4C96DAB1.4010707@cthompson.net>
	<816713.55389.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C97465B.4070100@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <16258.71468.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looking for a good Tiger toploader tail shaft housing. 

From tigger at missiongranite.com  Mon Sep 20 07:17:16 2010
From: tigger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:17:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tail shaft housing
References: <236059.58481.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4C96DAB1.4010707@cthompson.net><816713.55389.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4C97465B.4070100@cthompson.net>
	<16258.71468.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004b01cb58c6$25da6630$0200000a@wearezs.com>

I had to get one form Dan Williams - http://www.toploadertransmissions.com/.
Wasn't cheap, but he had it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gabbard Gabbard" <gabbardalex at att.net>
To: <chris at cthompson.net>; "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:17 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tail shaft housing


> Looking for a good Tiger toploader tail shaft housing.
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 10:13:24 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:13:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Help
Message-ID: <991153.58649.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Denis

I would try Dan Williams Toploader Transmissions in Franklin, NC  He
can be 
reached at 828-524-9085 between Noon - Midnight. 
www.toploadertransmissions.com  Good guy, knows toploaders forwards, backwards
and sideways, plus sells shifters and parts.

Joel Martin

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 10:32:06 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:32:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Help
In-Reply-To: <616647.56624.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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There was a CAT tech tip on replacing the T handle.  Nit a quick job.
NPD
sells just the 'T' that broke.

Dave




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From: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>
To: denis mercier
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Cc: denisetlouise at live.ca
Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 11:33:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help

Denis -
I have a Nail with some tape on mine! I got a replacement from David
Kee top
loader and I think the other fellow that rebuilds top loaders has the
part. I
think you need to pull the shift leaver apart and so a bit of
soldering to
replace it. I'm sure others out here have done the job can
explain it better.
Sandy



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Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 5:12:46 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Help

Hi listers.
His someone can tell me where can i find the shifter reverse T mine is broken
?
            Thanks !
            Denis.
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 10:33:48 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Help
In-Reply-To: <991153.58649.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Dan rebuilt my toploader, great guy, great service, have yet to run the new
tranny but should be great.  He did a wide ratio conversion for me.  Be ready
for him to talk your ear off about toploaders though!

--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help
To: denismercier at telvic.net
Cc: "Tiger List Serve" <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:13 PM


Denis

I would try Dan Williams Toploader Transmissions in Franklin, NC  He
can be
reached at 828-524-9085 between Noon - Midnight.
www.toploadertransmissions.com  Good guy, knows toploaders forwards,
backwards
and sideways, plus sells shifters and parts.

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 10:37:45 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:37:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
In-Reply-To: <794942.1163.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <794942.1163.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hear in the salt belt, The aluminum shims actuallly
corrode intyo powder.  At
most United, someone is selling
replacements.  Not expensive.

The shims are
tilting the cross member perhaps to provise
more clearance for the fan etc.
Dave




________________________________
From: Tony Somebody
<achd73 at yahoo.com>
To: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>; mike schreiner
<mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010
12:03:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer

Joe- the spacers Mike
mentioned that go on top of the front suspension-
originally they are riveted
on- they are not round, so its easy to see they
don't go on the springs but
they do go between the frame rails and the
suspension- have two holes that the
two bolts that hold each side(total of 4
bolts/holes) of the suspension to the
car. Older ones tend to fall off as the
rivets rust and when the suspension is
removed, they sometimes stick to the
suspension, other times to the frame
rails- just depends on the area the car
lived in, if there was salt from
winter roads or dry desert type life for the
car. Alpines have the same part,
made of aluminum with an offset made into
them. I'm sure they are shims that
have more than one reason for Rootes using
them. If they did not have the step
in them, I would think they where just to
keep the two pieces of steel from
rusting and perhaps if we have a member that
know their real reason they are
installed, they would
post it.
Mike I wasn't trying to step on your post, so
please excuse me for doing so
but it was a bit confusing, considering he was
talking about round parts and
the two aluminum pieces I'm thinking you
mentioned are rectangular w/ 2
holes.
regards to all.
TonytheTiger (TonyLang)
--- On Sun, 9/19/10, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: mike
schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
To:
"Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday,
September 19, 2010, 10:45 PM


Joe,  i always thought the rubber ring only
goes on the bottom of the
spring....( Sunb Spec sells them) an as far as allum
spacers, your not
confusing them with the allum spacers that go between the
suspension and body
are you?  (bolt holes go thru them)  never heard of an
allum spacer on the
spring....home made maybe
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 10:49:50 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:49:50 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
Message-ID: <3a850.44428be5.39c8eaae@aol.com>

Think it's to get the proper  caster.
 
 
In a message dated 9/20/2010 12:37:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
djoh797014 at yahoo.com writes:

Hear in  the salt belt, The aluminum shims actuallly
corrode intyo powder.   At
most United, someone is selling
replacements.  Not  expensive.

The shims are
tilting the cross member perhaps to  provise
more clearance for the fan  etc.
Dave




________________________________
From: Tony  Somebody
<achd73 at yahoo.com>
To: Joe Brown  <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>; mike  schreiner
<mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Cc:  Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010
12:03:51  AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer

Joe- the spacers  Mike
mentioned that go on top of the front suspension-
originally they  are riveted
on- they are not round, so its easy to see they
don't go on  the springs but
they do go between the frame rails and the
suspension-  have two holes that the
two bolts that hold each side(total of  4
bolts/holes) of the suspension to the
car. Older ones tend to fall off  as the
rivets rust and when the suspension is
removed, they sometimes  stick to the
suspension, other times to the frame
rails- just depends on  the area the car
lived in, if there was salt from
winter roads or dry  desert type life for the
car. Alpines have the same part,
made of  aluminum with an offset made into
them. I'm sure they are shims  that
have more than one reason for Rootes using
them. If they did not  have the step
in them, I would think they where just to
keep the two  pieces of steel from
rusting and perhaps if we have a member that
know  their real reason they are
installed, they would
post it.
Mike I  wasn't trying to step on your post, so
please excuse me for doing so
but  it was a bit confusing, considering he was
talking about round parts  and
the two aluminum pieces I'm thinking you
mentioned are rectangular  w/ 2
holes.
regards to all.
TonytheTiger (TonyLang)
--- On Sun,  9/19/10, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:


From:  mike
schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil  Spring Spacer
To:
"Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Cc:  Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday,
September 19, 2010, 10:45  PM


Joe,  i always thought the rubber ring only
goes on the  bottom of the
spring....( Sunb Spec sells them) an as far as  allum
spacers, your not
confusing them with the allum spacers that go  between the
suspension and body
are you?  (bolt holes go thru  them)  never heard of an
allum spacer on the
spring....home made  maybe
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From denismercier at telvic.net  Mon Sep 20 10:54:35 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:54:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Help
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Hi listers !
Thanks for your recommendations about the (T( reverse shifter handle, i'l 
bought a ford shifter for a guy here who has some ford parts and fixed it 
myself
with acetylene torch. The inner cable who hold the (T( and spring his welded 
with bronze at the bottem of the shifter.
          Thanks again !
          Denis.
          B382000926LRXFE

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From: "Joel Martin" <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
To: <denismercier at telvic.net>
Cc: "Tiger List Serve" <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Help


Denis

I would try Dan Williams Toploader Transmissions in Franklin, NC He can be
reached at 828-524-9085 between Noon - Midnight.
www.toploadertransmissions.com Good guy, knows toploaders forwards, 
backwards
and sideways, plus sells shifters and parts.

Joel Martin

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 11:07:07 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:07:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
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References: <3a850.44428be5.39c8eaae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinB=k8qsyvyzW4ckfeWCD84QD5RuHrdSmPA393V@mail.gmail.com>

I wasn't asking about the crossmember shims. I'm asking about some aluminum
spacers that were between the coil springs and A arms.  They look like the
rubber spacers that also go on the springs.

On Sep 20, 2010 11:50 AM, <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:
> Think it's to get the proper caster.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/20/2010 12:37:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> djoh797014 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Hear in the salt belt, The aluminum shims actuallly
> corrode intyo powder. At
> most United, someone is selling
> replacements. Not expensive.
>
> The shims are
> tilting the cross member perhaps to provise
> more clearance for the fan etc.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony Somebody
> <achd73 at yahoo.com>
> To: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>; mike schreiner
> <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010
> 12:03:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
>
> Joe- the spacers Mike
> mentioned that go on top of the front suspension-
> originally they are riveted
> on- they are not round, so its easy to see they
> don't go on the springs but
> they do go between the frame rails and the
> suspension- have two holes that the
> two bolts that hold each side(total of 4
> bolts/holes) of the suspension to the
> car. Older ones tend to fall off as the
> rivets rust and when the suspension is
> removed, they sometimes stick to the
> suspension, other times to the frame
> rails- just depends on the area the car
> lived in, if there was salt from
> winter roads or dry desert type life for the
> car. Alpines have the same part,
> made of aluminum with an offset made into
> them. I'm sure they are shims that
> have more than one reason for Rootes using
> them. If they did not have the step
> in them, I would think they where just to
> keep the two pieces of steel from
> rusting and perhaps if we have a member that
> know their real reason they are
> installed, they would
> post it.
> Mike I wasn't trying to step on your post, so
> please excuse me for doing so
> but it was a bit confusing, considering he was
> talking about round parts and
> the two aluminum pieces I'm thinking you
> mentioned are rectangular w/ 2
> holes.
> regards to all.
> TonytheTiger (TonyLang)
> --- On Sun, 9/19/10, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: mike
> schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil Spring Spacer
> To:
> "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday,
> September 19, 2010, 10:45 PM
>
>
> Joe, i always thought the rubber ring only
> goes on the bottom of the
> spring....( Sunb Spec sells them) an as far as allum
> spacers, your not
> confusing them with the allum spacers that go between the
> suspension and body
> are you? (bolt holes go thru them) never heard of an
> allum spacer on the
> spring....home made maybe
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Sep 20 12:52:23 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW: A great ride
Message-ID: <598140ABC4B944519C1A32DBBB396408@jerry>

Not a Tiger, but it is a Ford.  I thought this was entertaining.  You could
say he drove the tires right off the car.  Crazy!!

Jerry Christopherson

 

  _____  

http://wimp.com/impressivedriving/ 

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Mon Sep 20 14:09:05 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:09:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FW: A great ride
In-Reply-To: <598140ABC4B944519C1A32DBBB396408@jerry>
References: <598140ABC4B944519C1A32DBBB396408@jerry>
Message-ID: <4C97BF61.1020204@cs.com>

  Ken Block has been around a while and is quite an impressive driver.  
Helps to have an incredible car!  He did almost the same video two years 
ago in a WRX.  You can find a bunch of videos on U-Tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms

Where can I get his job?

-Randy

On 9/20/2010 2:52 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
> Not a Tiger, but it is a Ford.  I thought this was entertaining.  You could
> say he drove the tires right off the car.  Crazy!!
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
>
>    _____
>
> http://wimp.com/impressivedriving/

-- 

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INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
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540-668-6699
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon Sep 20 16:50:56 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (jliny5)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:50:56 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
Message-ID: <302375166-1285023057-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-22561493-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Chris

I am in the same boat re the generator. Removed generator from my Mk1 just about an hour ago. I found a generator for 63 Ford Falcon w/260 online @ NAPA. Unfortunately, it says you must go to your local store for this part and when I called around to all the stores in Northern Virginia nobody had it...they did not even have it in their computer. They told me to order online which you can not do. One guy did suggest that west coast stores might have it. Not sure why...but no help to me any way.

I found a local shop to rebuild it...Arlington Armature in Springfield, VA.

If you are contemplating a switch to an alternator, you might want to consider the PowerGen model 82101. Another lister gave me the lead. Looks like Ford generator but is an alternator. PowerGen told me it is direct fit in Tiger. Of course rewiring is necessary. Drawback...pricey @ around $400. 

Jim
------Original Message------
From: Chris Thompson
Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
ReplyTo: chris at cthompson.net
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
Sent: Sep 19, 2010 11:53 PM

  Looks like I need both a new ignition switch and a generator.  Anyone 
know off the top of their heads where to get them?

Thanks in advance -

Chris
B382000331
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From chris at cthompson.net  Mon Sep 20 17:09:27 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <302375166-1285023057-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-22561493-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <302375166-1285023057-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-22561493-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4C97E9A7.6010706@cthompson.net>

  Jim - yeah, *none* of the local suppliers, NAPA, AutoZone, Advance 
Auto, etc., could help.    Neither could Rick at Sunbeam Specialties 
(although they did ship to me a new regulator, ammeter, and ignition 
switch).  I might want to worker harder to find a source of supply and 
clean them out.

I have a spare generator, and am going to try to make one good one out 
of the two tomorrow.  Wish me luck!  I did find a motor/generator 
builder only about an hour from me who said he could get it done in a 
week or two if I can't make it work.

My car is very close to 100% "as original" so would never consider 
switching to alternator.  Although that one you mention is enticing, 
Jim......

Regards,

Chris

On 9/20/2010 6:50 PM, jliny5 wrote:
> Chris
>
> I am in the same boat re the generator. Removed generator from my Mk1 just about an hour ago. I found a generator for 63 Ford Falcon w/260 online @ NAPA. Unfortunately, it says you must go to your local store for this part and when I called around to all the stores in Northern Virginia nobody had it...they did not even have it in their computer. They told me to order online which you can not do. One guy did suggest that west coast stores might have it. Not sure why...but no help to me any way.
>
> I found a local shop to rebuild it...Arlington Armature in Springfield, VA.
>
> If you are contemplating a switch to an alternator, you might want to consider the PowerGen model 82101. Another lister gave me the lead. Looks like Ford generator but is an alternator. PowerGen told me it is direct fit in Tiger. Of course rewiring is necessary. Drawback...pricey @ around $400.
>
> Jim
> ------Original Message------
> From: Chris Thompson
> Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> ReplyTo: chris at cthompson.net
> Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
> Sent: Sep 19, 2010 11:53 PM
>
>    Looks like I need both a new ignition switch and a generator.  Anyone
> know off the top of their heads where to get them?
>
> Thanks in advance -
>
> Chris
> B382000331

From barncobob at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 17:27:44 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:27:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Ebrake handle button
Message-ID: <8CD27328FA52A17-12A0-76AE@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

used E brake today and button disapperaed, either flew out of car or
disintegrated, it is not inside the car. Ebrake does not work now. how do i
remedy the situation.

From chris at cthompson.net  Mon Sep 20 18:25:41 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] FW: A great ride
In-Reply-To: <4C97BF61.1020204@cs.com>
References: <598140ABC4B944519C1A32DBBB396408@jerry> <4C97BF61.1020204@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4C97FB85.1020809@cthompson.net>

  not to diminish mr. block's skills as a driver (i would love to have 
them!), but it also helps to do these in many multiple "takes" as 
evidenced by the many tire burns on the pavement in all his videos. and 
with rare exceptions, it's the same "tricks" done over and over again 
just in a different setting.  handbrake slides into a u-turn, spins in 
place - he did the same "trick" of circling a guy in the wrx video you 
mentioned.  it's as much the video production that makes it as his driving.

i like it, but i'm much more impressed with the "climbdance" video, 
myself.....ari's got only one take, and a multi-thousand foot drop if he 
"misses it by "this much"" (tiger content).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-K1B4sTX4o

On 9/20/2010 4:09 PM, Randy Smith wrote:
>    Ken Block has been around a while and is quite an impressive driver.
> Helps to have an incredible car!  He did almost the same video two years
> ago in a WRX.  You can find a bunch of videos on U-Tube.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms
>
> Where can I get his job?
>
> -Randy

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Mon Sep 20 18:46:55 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:46:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com> <4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net>
	<36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544308A43A7@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

Er, no.  In order to earn entry to the 200 MPH Club the participant must set a
record for their class in excess of 200 mph.  All records at Bonneville
(sanctioned by the SCTA) require two runs with an average that is higher than
the existing record.  The World of Speed event is organized by a group from
Utah that oversees the event, but there are SCTA officials present that
confirm all of the records.

Jere

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Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:17 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record

Congrats Dr. Mayf on the record.  And..., I believe this would put you in
the 200 MPH club as well. So, double congrats.  :-)

Tom Witt

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 18:49:22 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:49:22 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
Message-ID: <5a17d.7dbc4eed.39c95b12@aol.com>

I didn't know that. Well, surely is  a  bummer.
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/20/2010 8:48:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jteepen at usatoday.com writes:

Er,  no.  In order to earn entry to the 200 MPH Club the participant must 
set  a
record for their class in excess of 200 mph.  All records at  Bonneville
(sanctioned by the SCTA) require two runs with an average that  is higher 
than
the existing record.  The World of Speed event is  organized by a group from
Utah that oversees the event, but there are SCTA  officials present that
confirm all of the  records.

Jere

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 On
Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:17  PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed  Record

Congrats Dr. Mayf on the record.  And..., I believe this  would put you in
the 200 MPH club as well. So, double congrats.   :-)

Tom  Witt
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep 20 19:38:31 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:38:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
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  Jere, all, yes, completely true. However to get the red hat in this 
particular SCTA class from the 200 MPH club I have to run 260 + mph 
twice, lol.  Absolutely wont happen in this car. In fact not many of the 
mod sports cars have ever gone that fast!  So, this is not a record per 
se but my goal of exceeding the original Sunbeam slugs record speeds of 
203.792 mph.  This has been proclaimed by me as the goal ever since I 
started work on this car. Simply to exceed the speed layed sown by Sir 
Henry Segrave. Now done.

mayf
On 9/20/2010 5:46 PM, Teepen, Jere wrote:
> Er, no.  In order to earn entry to the 200 MPH Club the participant must set a
> record for their class in excess of 200 mph.  All records at Bonneville
> (sanctioned by the SCTA) require two runs with an average that is higher than
> the existing record.  The World of Speed event is organized by a group from
> Utah that oversees the event, but there are SCTA officials present that
> confirm all of the records.
>
> Jere
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:17 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
>
> Congrats Dr. Mayf on the record.  And..., I believe this would put you in
> the 200 MPH club as well. So, double congrats.  :-)
>
> Tom Witt
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 20:02:34 2010
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:02:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_4v-MRe_e0wTyHW47sS8wwv8sRhYgRPRhNTS+@mail.gmail.com>

Hi listers,
   Would any of you guys know the the Dupont or ditzler #s for code 100
Mediterranean Blue? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanx Jeff

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Sep 20 20:52:19 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:52:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s
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Message-ID: <78782A42378649D582A6004E8161FD10@ronpc1>

Jeff

100	Mediterranean blue	Ditzler #13097   Lucite # 8431L  Dulux #
97680  Chrysler #75242868  Burger 404.2327   
					ICI 4530

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Jeffery Randall
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:03 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s


Hi listers,
   Would any of you guys know the the Dupont or ditzler #s for code 100
Mediterranean Blue? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanx Jeff
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Sep 20 21:23:19 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:23:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
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Jere, (Mayf),
  Thank you for clarifying.   A friend of mine (Mike Lefevers) built the 
engine in the record holding Kugel & Lefevers Pontiac Firebird.  An article 
I read stated that he got into the 200 MPH club.  Since that car holds the 
fastest stock bodied record at over 300 MPH (and he was not the driver on 
that run) I simply assumed one had to reach the speed to gain admittance. It 
now leaves me to wonder how the article came to that conclusion???


>>> Er, no.  In order to earn entry to the 200 MPH Club the participant must 
>>> set a record for their class in excess of 200 mph.  All records at 
>>> Bonneville (sanctioned by the SCTA) require two runs with an average 
>>> that is higher than the existing record.  The World of Speed event is 
>>> organized by a group from Utah that oversees the event, but there are 
>>> SCTA officials present that confirm all of the records.

 Jere<<<

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 22:33:12 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
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	<4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net><36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2><E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544308A43A7@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<4C980C97.10009@mayfco.com>
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Dr. Mayf and group,

That being the case, I hereby nominate Dr. Larry Mayfield as the first
member of the Official Autox.Team.Net Tiger List World's Fastest Sunbeam
Club.  

Now let's see those 200 MPH Club guys try and get in the OA.T.NTLWFSC!

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
> 
>   Jere, all, yes, completely true. However to get the red hat 
> in this particular SCTA class from the 200 MPH club I have to 
> run 260 + mph twice, lol.  Absolutely wont happen in this 
> car. In fact not many of the mod sports cars have ever gone 
> that fast!  So, this is not a record per se but my goal of 
> exceeding the original Sunbeam slugs record speeds of
> 203.792 mph.  This has been proclaimed by me as the goal ever 
> since I started work on this car. Simply to exceed the speed 
> layed sown by Sir Henry Segrave. Now done.
> 
> mayf
> On 9/20/2010 5:46 PM, Teepen, Jere wrote:
> > Er, no.  In order to earn entry to the 200 MPH Club the participant 
> > must set a record for their class in excess of 200 mph.  
> All records 
> > at Bonneville (sanctioned by the SCTA) require two runs with an 
> > average that is higher than the existing record.  The World 
> of Speed 
> > event is organized by a group from Utah that oversees the 
> event, but 
> > there are SCTA officials present that confirm all of the records.
> >
> > Jere
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:17 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
> >
> > Congrats Dr. Mayf on the record.  And..., I believe this 
> would put you 
> > in the 200 MPH club as well. So, double congrats.  :-)
> >
> > Tom Witt
> > _______________________________________________
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 22:41:54 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:41:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <302375166-1285023057-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-22561493-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Gene Padget got a new generator from Tractor Supply.  Seems its
is used on
Ford Tractors.  Give them a try.

Dave Johnson
________________________________
From: jliny5 <jliny5 at cox.net>
To:
chris at cthompson.net
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010
6:50:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ignition switch

Chris

I am in the same boat
re the generator. Removed generator from my Mk1 just about 
an hour ago. I
found a generator for 63 Ford Falcon w/260 online @ NAPA. 
Unfortunately, it
says you must go to your local store for this part and when I 
called around
to all the stores in Northern Virginia nobody had it...they did 
not even have
it in their computer. They told me to order online which you can 
not do. One
guy did suggest that west coast stores might have it. Not sure 
why...but no
help to me any way.

I found a local shop to rebuild it...Arlington Armature
in Springfield, VA.

If you are contemplating a switch to an alternator, you
might want to consider 
the PowerGen model 82101. Another lister gave me the
lead. Looks like Ford 
generator but is an alternator. PowerGen told me it is
direct fit in Tiger. Of 
course rewiring is necessary. Drawback...pricey @
around $400. 


Jim
------Original Message------
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Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
Sent: Sep 19, 2010 11:53
PM

  Looks like I need both a new ignition switch and a generator.  Anyone
know off the top of their heads where to get them?

Thanks in advance -

Chris
B382000331
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From lists at autox.team.net  Mon Sep 20 21:53:33 2010
From: lists at autox.team.net (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:53:33 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tiger Hood
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Tiger Hood
Date: 	Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:31:45 -0400
From: 	cgrobles1 at aol.com
To: 	



I have a '67 Tiger hood available plus an "A" arm.  contact me at 541 
389 2192, in Oregon.
Thanks Cary

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Sep 21 07:45:49 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:45:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <D429BF2666604F71A21E1B34200551AF@DellD4700>
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	<4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net><36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2><E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544308A43A7@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
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  A.C. I can get behind this, but with one modification... that it is 
for the worlds fastest Sunbeams....notice the plural of Sunbeams. If 
something like this was to get rolling, I would suggest that it shelter 
all Sunbeams of Speed, whether the quick type on drag racing, quick on 
tracks, or fast on Land Speed venues.  Kinda a wall of "shame" lol... If 
is is to put this car solely on a pedestal, nah, let's not do that...

By the way, why not the fastest Alpine?

mayf

On 9/20/2010 9:33 PM, A. C. Tynes wrote:
> Dr. Mayf and group,
>
> That being the case, I hereby nominate Dr. Larry Mayfield as the first
> member of the Official Autox.Team.Net Tiger List World's Fastest Sunbeam
> Club.
>
> Now let's see those 200 MPH Club guys try and get in the OA.T.NTLWFSC!
>
> A. C. Tynes
> New Orleans
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:39 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
>>
>>    Jere, all, yes, completely true. However to get the red hat
>> in this particular SCTA class from the 200 MPH club I have to
>> run 260 + mph twice, lol.  Absolutely wont happen in this
>> car. In fact not many of the mod sports cars have ever gone
>> that fast!  So, this is not a record per se but my goal of
>> exceeding the original Sunbeam slugs record speeds of
>> 203.792 mph.  This has been proclaimed by me as the goal ever
>> since I started work on this car. Simply to exceed the speed
>> layed sown by Sir Henry Segrave. Now done.
>>
>> mayf
>> On 9/20/2010 5:46 PM, Teepen, Jere wrote:
>>> Er, no.  In order to earn entry to the 200 MPH Club the participant
>>> must set a record for their class in excess of 200 mph.
>> All records
>>> at Bonneville (sanctioned by the SCTA) require two runs with an
>>> average that is higher than the existing record.  The World
>> of Speed
>>> event is organized by a group from Utah that oversees the
>> event, but
>>> there are SCTA officials present that confirm all of the records.
>>>
>>> Jere
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:17 PM
>>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
>>>
>>> Congrats Dr. Mayf on the record.  And..., I believe this
>> would put you
>>> in the 200 MPH club as well. So, double congrats.  :-)
>>>
>>> Tom Witt
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tigers at autox.team.net
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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Tue Sep 21 08:12:23 2010
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:12:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
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Alpines, too?
Well, what's the fastest Sunbeam motorcycle?
Are motorcycles eligible for this competition?
We'll need a prize.

We could dub it the Laifman cup.

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 09:43:50 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:43:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
Message-ID: <002e01cb59a3$cb452a00$61cf7e00$@com>

Hello All,

 

I would like a few opinions about hardtop prices based on given conditions.

 

Here are a few examples:

 

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/1964404336.html

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Roof
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Roof-Very-rare-/110586
437303?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19bf771eb7> 

 

Also, I emailed the fellow on ebay at one point and asked him for
clarification on the location of the hardtop and pricing. He said that he
asked the "tiger association" and "they" said tiger tops sell for 800 to
1500 bucks and suggested to him to price it at his asking price of 800 (
which ends in 12 hours with no current bids).  So if we told him to price it
at that..then that brings me to my next question: 

... Are unrestored hardtops with no glass and no trim really worth 800 to
1000 bucks? There was a Series V Alpine for sale here in Oklahoma City a few
months ago with a hardtop WITH GLASS and the entire car was listed for sale
for a grand.it was a pretty rough car but still, the top was there and
appeared as nice as these..I guess I should have jumped on it... Whoops! 

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 09:46:56 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:46:56 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
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one on UK ebay now for over 400 gbp.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Cullen McCann
<clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
>
>
>
> I would like a few opinions about hardtop prices based on given conditions.
>
>
>
> Here are a few examples:
>
>
>
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/1964404336.html
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Roof
> <
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Roof-Very-rare-/110586
> 437303?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19bf771eb7<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Roof-Very-rare-/110586%0A437303?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19bf771eb7>
> >
>
>
>
> Also, I emailed the fellow on ebay at one point and asked him for
> clarification on the location of the hardtop and pricing. He said that he
> asked the "tiger association" and "they" said tiger tops sell for 800 to
> 1500 bucks and suggested to him to price it at his asking price of 800 (
> which ends in 12 hours with no current bids).  So if we told him to price
> it
> at that..then that brings me to my next question:
>
> ... Are unrestored hardtops with no glass and no trim really worth 800 to
> 1000 bucks? There was a Series V Alpine for sale here in Oklahoma City a
> few
> months ago with a hardtop WITH GLASS and the entire car was listed for sale
> for a grand.it was a pretty rough car but still, the top was there and
> appeared as nice as these..I guess I should have jumped on it... Whoops!
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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 10:16:36 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikwR33JfWEdkFivwynie=qVyGjhRX0Amub+xQrx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002e01cb59a3$cb452a00$61cf7e00$@com>
	<AANLkTikwR33JfWEdkFivwynie=qVyGjhRX0Amub+xQrx@mail.gmail.com>
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HI Owain, 

 

According to my handy dandy internet currency calculator.that's about
625-650 American dollars..I don't see it on there but that's good to know.
That does help..

 

 

From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:47 AM
To: Cullen McCann
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value

 

one on UK ebay now for over 400 gbp.

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 21 10:19:08 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:19:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
In-Reply-To: <002e01cb59a3$cb452a00$61cf7e00$@com>
Message-ID: <97680.56592.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I paid three hundred for mine ten years ago. Of course I had to fit  new
windows, repair rust and paint. Then came the headliner.. I would have paid a
thousand for a good complete one.   gary  B9472283

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Cullen McCann <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Cullen McCann <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:43 PM


Hello All,



I would like a few opinions about hardtop prices based on given conditions.



Here are a few examples:



http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/1964404336.html



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Roof
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Roof-Very-rare-/110586
437303?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19bf771eb7>



Also, I emailed the fellow on ebay at one point and asked him for
clarification on the location of the hardtop and pricing. He said that he
asked the "tiger association" and "they" said tiger tops sell for 800 to
1500 bucks and suggested to him to price it at his asking price of 800 (
which ends in 12 hours with no current bids).  So if we told him to price it
at that..then that brings me to my next question:

... Are unrestored hardtops with no glass and no trim really worth 800 to
1000 bucks? There was a Series V Alpine for sale here in Oklahoma City a few
months ago with a hardtop WITH GLASS and the entire car was listed for sale
for a grand.it was a pretty rough car but still, the top was there and
appeared as nice as these..I guess I should have jumped on it... Whoops!
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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 21 10:26:44 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <816C5BEDABC14A76BA2A1241F5DAB496@3bfd27b5ca44402>
Message-ID: <877164.3422.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My S7 with the fat tires had a top speed of 60. It took all day to get there.
Bought a Norton.    Gary B9472283

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Alvin Johnson <twojohnsons at cox.net> wrote:


From: Alvin Johnson <twojohnsons at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
To: drmayf at mayfco.com, "A. C. Tynes" <v8tracker at gmail.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 2:12 PM


Alpines, too?
Well, what's the fastest Sunbeam motorcycle?
Are motorcycles eligible for this competition?
We'll need a prize.

We could dub it the Laifman cup.
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From chris at cthompson.net  Tue Sep 21 10:58:17 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:58:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
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References: <302375166-1285023057-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-22561493-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<604389.85816.qm@web111610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C98E429.3050700@cthompson.net>

  Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and 
they were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that 
was on my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just waiting on 
pricing and availability.....

On 9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T Johnson wrote:
> Gene Padget got a new generator from Tractor Supply.  Seems its
> is used on Ford Tractors.  Give them a try.
> Dave Johnson

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Sep 21 11:08:55 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:08:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <816C5BEDABC14A76BA2A1241F5DAB496@3bfd27b5ca44402>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com><4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com><4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net><36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2><E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544308A43A7@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com><4C980C97.10009@mayfco.com><D429BF2666604F71A21E1B34200551AF@DellD4700>
	<4C98B70D.2060708@mayfco.com>
	<816C5BEDABC14A76BA2A1241F5DAB496@3bfd27b5ca44402>
Message-ID: <4C98E6A7.8050702@mayfco.com>

  On 9/21/2010 7:12 AM, Alvin Johnson wrote:
> Alpines, too?
> Well, what's the fastest Sunbeam motorcycle?
> Are motorcycles eligible for this competition?
> We'll need a prize.
>
> We could dub it the Laifman cup.
>
>
Sure, Alpines or other Sunbeams.  Maybe just call them all Sunbeams with 
no model designations. Motorcycles also.   No prizes, just love of doing 
the job.   And it is not a competition!

And why in the world would you call it the Laifman cup?  I think I would 
object to that.   In fact, if it turned into a club event or something 
similar, then I'm out.

mayf

From barncobob at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 11:15:35 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:15:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] correct fan belt maker and #
Message-ID: <8CD27C7BD074E82-1554-151@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>

65 stock 260 with alternator. my belt has no markings on it and i need a
spare.

From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Tue Sep 21 12:13:43 2010
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:13:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch slave pushrod clip
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1285092004.10550.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF4404E657.2FC383F0-ON852577A5.0063F997-852577A5.0064224D@sybase.com>

Does anyone have a close-up picture of how the clutch slave cylinder 
pushrod clip goes on?
I'm not convinced I have it on correctly.

thanks,

Paul

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 12:59:02 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:59:02 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
Message-ID: <15d75d.430e4197.39ca5a76@aol.com>

And people laugh when I mention Tractor Supply.   Eat your heart out if 
you're not near one.  Common nuts, bolts and washers  for $1.49 lb., etc.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
chris at cthompson.net writes:

Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and  
they were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that  
was on my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just waiting  on 
pricing and availability.....

On 9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T  Johnson wrote:
> Gene Padget got a new generator from Tractor  Supply.  Seems its
> is used on Ford Tractors.  Give them a  try.
> Dave  Johnson
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 13:06:45 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] correct fan belt maker and #
In-Reply-To: <8CD27C7BD074E82-1554-151@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <781836.96185.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Because there are so may variables in the adjustment, size of pulley, depth of the groove etc. etc. etc, it would be very hard for anyone to guess the size of your belt. All parts stores have a tool to measure belts that have no idenifying marks. I would remove the belt, take it to my fave parts store and have them measure it. IF you have lots of adjustment left, then even 1/2" longer wont hurt, as when half of that 1/2" is split as the belt folds in half for practiacal speaking, you wont move the adjustment very far but you will want to consider the ammount of adjustment you have- be it lot's or very little.
TonytheTiger (Tony Lang)

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, barncobob at aol.com <barncobob at aol.com> wrote:


From: barncobob at aol.com <barncobob at aol.com>
Subject: [Tigers] correct fan belt maker and #
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 12:15 PM


65 stock 260 with alternator. my belt has no markings on it and i need a
spare.
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Tue Sep 21 14:17:41 2010
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:17:41 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger wheels
In-Reply-To: <bb325cb571f2d7a3a2343da6d87e76ee@localhost>
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	<AANLkTimqzcTDm714NO=6FTtrJVbVJHAFEAXGJJ9D=N8T@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD18F0F5905E56-1A44-103F@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>
	<bb325cb571f2d7a3a2343da6d87e76ee@localhost>
Message-ID: <992617120feed7d58bd5fa5c608aba48@localhost>

Hey gang,

Since I'm too lazy to search, I'm looking for 13x6 wheels for the
Tigger.  Panasport can't make them until November so I was wondering if
there are other sources.  I see Rick carries LAT 70 reproductions and
Minilites.  Are there others that are readily available?  13x6 is the
max allowable under RMVR rules.

Thanks,
Bob

From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Sep 21 14:31:42 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:31:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger wheels
In-Reply-To: <992617120feed7d58bd5fa5c608aba48@localhost>
Message-ID: <20100921163142.GC5VE.923065.imail@eastrmwml48>

Bob:

You might try "Minator" wheels.  They are a Minilite knock-off (replica).  I bought a set of them (13"x6") for my old Series I Alpine race car after waiting for Panasports for over six months.  I had no problems with the Minators whatsoever.  I don't remember where I got them, other than it was through a Mini-Cooper parts house out of California.  It only took a few weeks to get them (the Mini place ordered them from England).  A Google search should turn up a dealer.  

Best of luck,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

---- Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com> wrote: 
> Hey gang,
> 
> Since I'm too lazy to search, I'm looking for 13x6 wheels for the
> Tigger.  Panasport can't make them until November so I was wondering if
> there are other sources.  I see Rick carries LAT 70 reproductions and
> Minilites.  Are there others that are readily available?  13x6 is the
> max allowable under RMVR rules.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Sep 21 14:32:40 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light))
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:32:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <15d75d.430e4197.39ca5a76@aol.com>
References: <15d75d.430e4197.39ca5a76@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A05AC5558@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

A word of warning here, the generators made for tractors are not the
same as the automotive generators, they are not made for the higher RPM.
The last one of these generators I saw that came from Tractor Supply was
made in China and the bearings were galled and useless in less than a
1000 miles. This was on a Comet GT, also a Ford 260. I strongly suggest
you find someone who can rebuild your old one if possible.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:59 PM
To: chris at cthompson.net; djoh797014 at yahoo.com
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ignition switch

And people laugh when I mention Tractor Supply.   Eat your heart out if
you're not near one.  Common nuts, bolts and washers  for $1.49 lb.,
etc.
Mark L


In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
chris at cthompson.net writes:

Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and they
were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that was on
my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just waiting  on
pricing and availability.....

On 9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T  Johnson wrote:
> Gene Padget got a new generator from Tractor  Supply.  Seems its is
> used on Ford Tractors.  Give them a  try.
> Dave  Johnson

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Tue Sep 21 15:05:06 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:05:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <15d75d.430e4197.39ca5a76@aol.com>
References: <15d75d.430e4197.39ca5a76@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C991E02.40000@cs.com>

  And you can buy Lucas/Girling DOT 4 Brake Fluid from any John Deere 
tractor dealer!  Gotta love those tractor places!

-Randy

On 9/21/2010 2:59 PM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
> And people laugh when I mention Tractor Supply.   Eat your heart out if
> you're not near one.  Common nuts, bolts and washers  for $1.49 lb., etc.
> Mark L
>
>
> In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chris at cthompson.net writes:
>
> Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and
> they were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that
> was on my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just waiting  on
> pricing and availability.....
>
> On 9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T  Johnson wrote:
>> Gene Padget got a new generator from Tractor  Supply.  Seems its
>> is used on Ford Tractors.  Give them a  try.
>> Dave  Johnson
> _______________________________________________
-- 

Randy Smith
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Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

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RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From allanballard at att.net  Tue Sep 21 15:06:25 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:06:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator - was Tiger ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A05AC5558@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <15d75d.430e4197.39ca5a76@aol.com>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A05AC5558@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <1092AE39-50F4-439E-9BFE-AD1E1D4E8635@att.net>

I checked with the local NAPA plus an OReillys -- total strikeout.

I'd like a spare generator in the trunk for roadside emergency repair,
especially when attempting the
2800 mile round trip to the United in October...

Gotta be a stash somewhere :)

Allan Ballard
MK1a Tiger
Series IV Alpine

On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote:

> A word of warning here, the generators made for tractors are not the
> same as the automotive generators, they are not made for the higher RPM.
> The last one of these generators I saw that came from Tractor Supply was
> made in China and the bearings were galled and useless in less than a
> 1000 miles. This was on a Comet GT, also a Ford 260. I strongly suggest
> you find someone who can rebuild your old one if possible.
>
> Bugz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:59 PM
> To: chris at cthompson.net; djoh797014 at yahoo.com
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ignition switch
>
> And people laugh when I mention Tractor Supply.   Eat your heart out if
> you're not near one.  Common nuts, bolts and washers  for $1.49 lb.,
> etc.
> Mark L
>
>
> In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chris at cthompson.net writes:
>
> Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and they
> were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that was on
> my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just waiting  on
> pricing and availability.....
>
> On 9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T  Johnson wrote:
>> Gene Padget got a new generator from Tractor  Supply.  Seems its is
>> used on Ford Tractors.  Give them a  try.
>> Dave  Johnson
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 15:23:53 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Generator - was Tiger ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <1092AE39-50F4-439E-9BFE-AD1E1D4E8635@att.net>
Message-ID: <476888.94476.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The generators are available here in Benton, IL. at the Bumper to Bumper parts store. I have a new one in the box, I don't recall what I paid for it but I was thinking of having a spare myself, then I decided to go with an alternator. Anyone wanting to know the price, the number is 618 435 8133 or ask me and I will call and ask. If memory serves they had to order it from their parts warehouse but it arrived the next a.m. The negative is they are heavy, so shipping may be expensive, unless they will fit in the largest priority mail box that ships for the same cost, no matter the weight. Anyone wanting one, I'm glad to assist.
TonytheTiger (Tony Lang)
PS- if you call, ask for Mark or Jerry, as Marks dad owned the store for decades- his wife sold the business to Bumper to Bumper after she decided to retire. Bob, the original owner was a shrewd business man and I'm sure he left his wife in good financial shape. Mark is her son and Jerry is Bob's brother- both have worked there for years and was prolly part of the deal when the business sold to Bumper to Bumper, who I'm told is LARGE in the southern states.

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 15:24:41 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:24:41 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Generator - was Tiger ignition switch
Message-ID: <167b3c.ba08595.39ca7c99@aol.com>

I would think that on line a Google search would turn  up all kinds of 
shops that have them rebuilt.  The lister that mentioned  the Tractor Supply 
generator could have a point.  Tractors normally run at  less than 1,000 rpm's 
and may not hold up in  a car.
But, you would think that if the part # is the same as  a Tiger.........!
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2010 5:06:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
allanballard at att.net writes:

I  checked with the local NAPA plus an OReillys -- total strikeout.

I'd  like a spare generator in the trunk for roadside emergency  repair,
especially when attempting the
2800 mile round trip to the  United in October...

Gotta be a stash somewhere :)

Allan  Ballard
MK1a Tiger
Series IV Alpine

On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:32 PM,  Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote:

> A word of warning here,  the generators made for tractors are not the
> same as the automotive  generators, they are not made for the higher RPM.
> The last one of  these generators I saw that came from Tractor Supply was
> made in China  and the bearings were galled and useless in less than a
> 1000 miles.  This was on a Comet GT, also a Ford 260. I strongly suggest
> you find  someone who can rebuild your old one if possible.
>
>  Bugz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]  On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:59  PM
> To: chris at cthompson.net; djoh797014 at yahoo.com
> Cc:  Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ignition  switch
>
> And people laugh when I mention Tractor  Supply.   Eat your heart out if
> you're not near one.   Common nuts, bolts and washers  for $1.49 lb.,
> etc.
> Mark  L
>
>
> In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:58:45 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
> chris at cthompson.net writes:
>
>  Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and  they
> were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that  was on
> my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just  waiting  on
> pricing and availability.....
>
> On  9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T  Johnson wrote:
>> Gene Padget got a  new generator from Tractor  Supply.  Seems its is
>> used  on Ford Tractors.  Give them a  try.
>> Dave   Johnson
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Sep 21 15:36:52 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:36:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] correct fan belt maker and #
Message-ID: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>

  If it's a 260 and it has an alternator, then it is not stock.  All 
260's came with generators.  The Tiger II's had 289's and an 
alternator.  The best thing to do is take the belt to your local auto 
parts store and have them measure the size.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From rgraf at bellatlantic.net  Tue Sep 21 15:41:17 2010
From: rgraf at bellatlantic.net (Rick Graf)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:41:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator - was Tiger ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <167b3c.ba08595.39ca7c99@aol.com>
References: <167b3c.ba08595.39ca7c99@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C99267D.50501@bellatlantic.net>

I don't know if the part # is the same, but here's a link to Rockauto 
for a remanufactured generator for a 64 Ford 260 for $54.99 with core.

http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/x,carcode,1435613,parttype,2412,d,1964_FORD_GALAXIE_500_4.3L_260_cubic_inch_V8_Alternator_-_Generator.html


CoolVT at aol.com wrote:

>I would think that on line a Google search would turn  up all kinds of 
>shops that have them rebuilt.  The lister that mentioned  the Tractor Supply 
>generator could have a point.  Tractors normally run at  less than 1,000 rpm's 
>and may not hold up in  a car.
>But, you would think that if the part # is the same as  a Tiger.........!
>Mark
> 
> 
>In a message dated 9/21/2010 5:06:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>allanballard at att.net writes:
>
>I  checked with the local NAPA plus an OReillys -- total strikeout.
>
>I'd  like a spare generator in the trunk for roadside emergency  repair,
>especially when attempting the
>2800 mile round trip to the  United in October...
>
>Gotta be a stash somewhere :)
>
>Allan  Ballard
>MK1a Tiger
>Series IV Alpine
>
>On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:32 PM,  Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote:
>
>  
>
>>A word of warning here,  the generators made for tractors are not the
>>same as the automotive  generators, they are not made for the higher RPM.
>>The last one of  these generators I saw that came from Tractor Supply was
>>made in China  and the bearings were galled and useless in less than a
>>1000 miles.  This was on a Comet GT, also a Ford 260. I strongly suggest
>>you find  someone who can rebuild your old one if possible.
>>
>> Bugz
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]  On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:59  PM
>>To: chris at cthompson.net; djoh797014 at yahoo.com
>>Cc:  Tigers at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Tigers] ignition  switch
>>
>>And people laugh when I mention Tractor  Supply.   Eat your heart out if
>>you're not near one.   Common nuts, bolts and washers  for $1.49 lb.,
>>etc.
>>Mark  L
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:58:45 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
>>chris at cthompson.net writes:
>>
>> Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and  they
>>were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that  was on
>>my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just  waiting  on
>>pricing and availability.....
>>
>>On  9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T  Johnson wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Gene Padget got a  new generator from Tractor  Supply.  Seems its is
>>>used  on Ford Tractors.  Give them a  try.
>>>Dave   Johnson
>>>      
>>>
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 16:05:57 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:05:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] correct fan belt maker and #
In-Reply-To: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>
References: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinK1m8KMetFqFrgPVBiY_70me-tGLWDa6tCCwXw@mail.gmail.com>

Rick (Sunbeam Specialties) sells belts for the Mark 1 (FB1T, $12.60) and the
Mark 2 (FB2T, $12.80), Catalog, P. 12.

The belt he sold me for my Mark 2 was a Gates XL 7470 11A1195 (That's what's
on the belt.) I think it's a tad long; the alternator is close enough to the
rt inner fender that adjustment for wear is questionable. That said, it fits
the pulleys (My original belt was, I think, too narrow.) My plan is to
trundle down to NAPA with the belt and see if there is one a bit shorter.

Anyhow, try the Gates 7470 or the slightly shorter one.

Tom

' 67 Tiger being reborn

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:

>  If it's a 260 and it has an alternator, then it is not stock.  All
> 260's came with generators.  The Tiger II's had 289's and an
> alternator.  The best thing to do is take the belt to your local auto
> parts store and have them measure the size.
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Tue Sep 21 16:21:59 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s
In-Reply-To: <78782A42378649D582A6004E8161FD10@ronpc1>
References: <AANLkTin_4v-MRe_e0wTyHW47sS8wwv8sRhYgRPRhNTS+@mail.gmail.com>
	<78782A42378649D582A6004E8161FD10@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155443096A115@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

Ron: Your catalog of information is amazing.  How about Carnival Red?  I have
a friend that is returning a long lost Tiger to stock color and he is not on
the list.

Thanks in advance!

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:52 PM
To: 'Jeffery Randall'; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint part #s

Jeff

100	Mediterranean blue	Ditzler #13097   Lucite # 8431L  Dulux #
97680  Chrysler #75242868  Burger 404.2327
					ICI 4530

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jeffery Randall
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:03 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s


Hi listers,
   Would any of you guys know the the Dupont or ditzler #s for code 100
Mediterranean Blue? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanx Jeff

From allanballard at att.net  Tue Sep 21 16:26:09 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:26:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] F4B intake weight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinK1m8KMetFqFrgPVBiY_70me-tGLWDa6tCCwXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>
	<AANLkTinK1m8KMetFqFrgPVBiY_70me-tGLWDa6tCCwXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200BE0DE-D68E-4342-90EF-BC1FC561178B@att.net>

Does anyone have the weight of the F4B intake manifold?

My stock intake (with 2 bbl carb) weighs 41.4 pounds.

Just curious regarding the weight savings by switching to an F4B.

Allan Ballard

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 16:48:48 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:48:48 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
In-Reply-To: <002e01cb59a3$cb452a00$61cf7e00$@com>
References: <002e01cb59a3$cb452a00$61cf7e00$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxoRzAA5=JEru7SV4uecehpVtFsjMsjzd_YuFa@mail.gmail.com>

I think a good hardtop shell without rust is worth 800-1500, if its missing
the clips and trim it is a pain.. but ultimately they are expensive to
repair... so if its solid and only missing the perspex.. i think 800-1500 is
a cheaper way to go than a complete one thats rusted... and 90% of the time
the perspex is knackered anyway


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Tue Sep 21 16:56:19 2010
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:56:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Questions
Message-ID: <47016092.1147953.1285109779356.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Here goes some dumb questions it has been 5 years since I took the tiger apart and I did take many pictures but it has not help at this point. Which side of the car does the rear harness go on I thing it goes on the right side (passenger) is the correct? also where would I find a good wiring diagram for a mark I. 
Thanks Again 
George 

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 17:05:06 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxoRzAA5=JEru7SV4uecehpVtFsjMsjzd_YuFa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002e01cb59a3$cb452a00$61cf7e00$@com>
	<AANLkTimxoRzAA5=JEru7SV4uecehpVtFsjMsjzd_YuFa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <086790A0-D6F4-4F0E-95D9-AECDC8CC1685@gmail.com>

Thanks Michael! I'm getting pretty consistent opinions that they should be
worth that. I think it's time to modify my perspective on the market of that
item.

Sent from my mobile...

On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:48 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think a good hardtop shell without rust is worth 800-1500, if its missing
the clips and trim it is a pain.. but ultimately they are expensive to
repair... so if its solid and only missing the perspex.. i think 800-1500 is a
cheaper way to go than a complete one thats rusted... and 90% of the time the
perspex is knackered anyway
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Sep 21 17:14:54 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:14:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <4C98E6A7.8050702@mayfco.com>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com><4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com><4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net><36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2><E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544308A43A7@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com><4C980C97.10009@mayfco.com><D429BF2666604F71A21E1B34200551AF@DellD4700>
	<4C98B70D.2060708@mayfco.com>
	<816C5BEDABC14A76BA2A1241F5DAB496@3bfd27b5ca44402>
	<4C98E6A7.8050702@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4C993C6E.6070903@socal.rr.com>

Alvin,

Why in the world would the such a cup be named after me? From what 
"nefarious" deed that I did ?

Like Mayf, I'd object to it as well.

 NOT being the expert, I find that there are a great many LAND Speed 
Records for lot's of different categories, except airplanes.  There are 
already distinct categories in being for differing classifications.  
They even have sections for motorcycles, electric, steam, gasoline, 
solar etc. vehicles.

For my money, Dr. Larry Mayfield is the only expert I know of.

I tried searching for the categories and record holders with all sorts 
of "No Luck" but "wannabes".  Maybe The Guinness Book of Records?


Best Wishes to all Tiger owners, then, now, and future, as well as The 
Alpine (which I owned before Jay was made the caretaker.


If it IS to be given out, I think a better choice would be a beer mug!

Steve


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>




Larry Mayfield wrote:
>  On 9/21/2010 7:12 AM, Alvin Johnson wrote:
>> Alpines, too?
>> Well, what's the fastest Sunbeam motorcycle?
>> Are motorcycles eligible for this competition?
>> We'll need a prize.
>>
>> We could dub it the Laifman cup.
>>
>>
> Sure, Alpines or other Sunbeams.  Maybe just call them all Sunbeams 
> with no model designations. Motorcycles also.   No prizes, just love 
> of doing the job.   And it is not a competition!
>
> And why in the world would you call it the Laifman cup?  I think I 
> would object to that.   In fact, if it turned into a club event or 
> something similar, then I'm out.
>
> mayf

From rande at thecia.net  Tue Sep 21 17:28:59 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:28:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] wiring diag and which side
Message-ID: <4c993fbb.424c.0@thecia.net>

Hi,
For the diagram, go to TigersUnited.com , Rootes Resources, Shop Manual, page
35 ( It's the last page of the electrical section. I think Tiger Mk 1 is the
first diagram.

For which side to locate the LHD car harness for the rear, the  fuel pump power
wire(IIRC it's white) and fuel tank sender wire enter from the drivers side,
and I think the rear lighting wiring continues back from there.

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 17:46:44 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:46:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] F4B intake weight
References: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>
	<AANLkTinK1m8KMetFqFrgPVBiY_70me-tGLWDa6tCCwXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<200BE0DE-D68E-4342-90EF-BC1FC561178B@att.net>
Message-ID: <503771C15D734F2FB301C13C03F6F8BD@student2>

I just threw an Edelbrock Performer for a SB Chevy on the bathroom scale 
(including water neck, thermostat and a few hose connectors).  It hit 18 
pounds. I would guess that an F4B would likely be within a few pounds of 
that.
Tom


> Does anyone have the weight of the F4B intake manifold?

From allanballard at att.net  Tue Sep 21 17:49:00 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:49:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] F4B intake weight
In-Reply-To: <503771C15D734F2FB301C13C03F6F8BD@student2>
References: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>
	<AANLkTinK1m8KMetFqFrgPVBiY_70me-tGLWDa6tCCwXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<200BE0DE-D68E-4342-90EF-BC1FC561178B@att.net>
	<503771C15D734F2FB301C13C03F6F8BD@student2>
Message-ID: <9875FE2B-E6D4-4947-BAC7-B2B0492FC3B3@att.net>

Thanks -- that's quite a savings.

Allan Ballard

On Sep 21, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Thomas Witt wrote:

> I just threw an Edelbrock Performer for a SB Chevy on the bathroom scale
(including water neck, thermostat and a few hose connectors).  It hit 18
pounds. I would guess that an F4B would likely be within a few pounds of
that.
> Tom
>
>
>> Does anyone have the weight of the F4B intake manifold?
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From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Tue Sep 21 18:07:35 2010
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:07:35 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <4C993C6E.6070903@socal.rr.com>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com> <4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net>
	<36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544308A43A7@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<4C980C97.10009@mayfco.com>
	<D429BF2666604F71A21E1B34200551AF@DellD4700>
	<4C98B70D.2060708@mayfco.com>
	<816C5BEDABC14A76BA2A1241F5DAB496@3bfd27b5ca44402>
	<4C98E6A7.8050702@mayfco.com> <4C993C6E.6070903@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <m4$aaTDHjUmMFwcN@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

Hi Mayf,

FIRSTLY - what an absolutely FANTASTIC accomplishment. - a truly great 
spirit of endeavour and achievement.

Lets really put in to perspective - Larry has beat a fully sponsored 
state if the art land speed record with a 50 year old car!

Volunteers to drive a 50 year old car at 200 MPH to do better than Mayf 
best wear their shorts on the outside.

In reply to Steve, I would suggest an appropriate way to represent the 
historical SUNBEAM achievement would be the "SUNBEAM / Henry Seagrave / 
Larry Mayfield / ...... "     trophy".

BTW Mayf - remember to stick to land, its safer !  ;-)


kind regards


Jeff







In message <4C993C6E.6070903 at socal.rr.com>, Steve Laifman 
<slaifman at socal.rr.com> writes
>Alvin,
>
>Why in the world would the such a cup be named after me? From what
>"nefarious" deed that I did ?
>
>Like Mayf, I'd object to it as well.
>
> NOT being the expert, I find that there are a great many LAND Speed
>Records for lot's of different categories, except airplanes.  There are
>already distinct categories in being for differing classifications.
>They even have sections for motorcycles, electric, steam, gasoline,
>solar etc. vehicles.
>
>For my money, Dr. Larry Mayfield is the only expert I know of.
>
>I tried searching for the categories and record holders with all sorts
>of "No Luck" but "wannabes".  Maybe The Guinness Book of Records?
>
>
>Best Wishes to all Tiger owners, then, now, and future, as well as The
>Alpine (which I owned before Jay was made the caretaker.
>
>
>If it IS to be given out, I think a better choice would be a beer mug!
>
>Steve
>
>
>/Steve Laifman/
>
>/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>
>
>
>
>
>Larry Mayfield wrote:
>>  On 9/21/2010 7:12 AM, Alvin Johnson wrote:
>>> Alpines, too?
>>> Well, what's the fastest Sunbeam motorcycle?
>>> Are motorcycles eligible for this competition?
>>> We'll need a prize.
>>>
>>> We could dub it the Laifman cup.
>>>
>>>
>> Sure, Alpines or other Sunbeams.  Maybe just call them all Sunbeams
>> with no model designations. Motorcycles also.   No prizes, just love
>> of doing the job.   And it is not a competition!
>>
>> And why in the world would you call it the Laifman cup?  I think I
>> would object to that.   In fact, if it turned into a club event or
>> something similar, then I'm out.
>>
>> mayf
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 18:28:40 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:28:40 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <m4$aaTDHjUmMFwcN@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com> <4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net>
	<36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544308A43A7@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<4C980C97.10009@mayfco.com>
	<D429BF2666604F71A21E1B34200551AF@DellD4700>
	<4C98B70D.2060708@mayfco.com>
	<816C5BEDABC14A76BA2A1241F5DAB496@3bfd27b5ca44402>
	<4C98E6A7.8050702@mayfco.com> <4C993C6E.6070903@socal.rr.com>
	<m4$aaTDHjUmMFwcN@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=f-+sup3V1tgZSsTZr0L8Fa-kFgccVi8uqMMz0@mail.gmail.com>

I'd liek to congratulate May f ona brave and amazing run.. the one thing i
did find funny was the choice of sunbeam.

I note that he added extra fins on the rear I assume to stabilise the car at
speed and help it track straight... all i could think was that he should
have based his car on a Series I-3 Alpine.. then the fins are already on the
car!

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 21 18:35:01 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:35:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Info Request
Message-ID: <185EF0424457479BA235A05F604DCD94@jeffnicholsPC>

Who is the Tiger email list Admin?  It would be interesting to find out who
was blocking me from submitting emails last week.

 

 

 

 

 
Jeff

From gabbardalex at att.net  Tue Sep 21 18:40:22 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] MK II 289 dyno tests
In-Reply-To: <9875FE2B-E6D4-4947-BAC7-B2B0492FC3B3@att.net>
References: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>
	<AANLkTinK1m8KMetFqFrgPVBiY_70me-tGLWDa6tCCwXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<200BE0DE-D68E-4342-90EF-BC1FC561178B@att.net>
	<503771C15D734F2FB301C13C03F6F8BD@student2>
	<9875FE2B-E6D4-4947-BAC7-B2B0492FC3B3@att.net>
Message-ID: <134664.27946.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The engine from my Mk II (382100328) has now been rebuilt with dyno tests to
tune the engine and to compare CAT headers with stock cast iron exhaust
manifolds. The tests were conducted today by Precision Machine Service
(Sevierville, TN 865-429-4172) with the following results:

Block 0.020 over
bore (giving 292 cid)
Stock flat top pistons, 9.3:1 cr
Stock heads using 1967
hardware, no modifications
Crane Fireball Cam (~1970) with anti-pumpup
hydraulic lifters
Dual plane Ford part number (~1969) dual plane aluminum
intake
Holley 600 cfm carb
CAT headers Jet-Hot coated inside and outside,
silver
Pertronix Ford-type billet distributor (did not work properly)
Pertronix Flamethrower coil
Pertronix spark plug wires
New spark plugs
Max
power at 38 degrees advance 

The distributor seemed unable to fire the coil
properly, giving eratic ignition. 
The coil was removed and the distributor
feed changed to an MSD and coil as 
installed on the dyno, then the
distributor worked properly with smooth 
ignition. Several tests were
conducted as full throttle torque and hp versus 
time runs, 8-10 seconds each.
Exhaust of headers and exhaust of manifolds into 
2" dia downpipes
were unrestricted (no mufflers).

Header test 1: 271.0 hp @ 4933 rpm, torque
max 308.6 lb-ft @ 4434 rpm
Header test 2: 277.5 hp @ 4950 rpm, torque max
301.8 lb-ft @ 4243 rpm
Max from all tests: 281.8 hp @ 4950 rpm

With stock
cast iron exhaust manifolds
Max from all tests: 250.3 hp @ 4965 rpm, torque
max 283.6 lb-ft @ 3930 rpm

Conclusion: CAT headers are worth about 32 hp with
25 lb-ft more torque at 500 
rpm higher peak. The cam (specs long lost)
provides a broad torque band in the 
mid-range, 1950 to 5100 rpm, anticipated
to make a strong running Tiger with 
shift points at 5000 rpm.

FYI
Alex
Gabbard

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 18:44:42 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:44:42 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] MK II 289 dyno tests
In-Reply-To: <134664.27946.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>
	<AANLkTinK1m8KMetFqFrgPVBiY_70me-tGLWDa6tCCwXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<200BE0DE-D68E-4342-90EF-BC1FC561178B@att.net>
	<503771C15D734F2FB301C13C03F6F8BD@student2>
	<9875FE2B-E6D4-4947-BAC7-B2B0492FC3B3@att.net>
	<134664.27946.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikb8Ae4QUsXQ+Z-K0fKCR0FSvF4gsjE5x5_HWNO@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

Thats great info and thanks for sharing it, very few direct comparison test
are done for some nice objective data... and looks like the CAT headers do
a good job.

 Its interesting given how often we hear about the free flowing headers
causing the torque to move higher up and into less useful areas of the rev
range.,. 500rpm is not much higher.. what are the torque figures around
2000-3000 liek in comparison?



-- 
Regards

Michael King

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Tue Sep 21 18:49:32 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:49:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger wheels
References: <20100921163142.GC5VE.923065.imail@eastrmwml48>
Message-ID: <030B83C27F674DD286271AF4B731E2D1@yourze8cxvr8tt>

victoria british stocks the minators.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <awtiger at cox.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; "Bob Dixon" <bobdixon at frii.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger wheels


> Bob:
>
> You might try "Minator" wheels.  They are a Minilite knock-off (replica). 
> I bought a set of them (13"x6") for my old Series I Alpine race car after 
> waiting for Panasports for over six months.  I had no problems with the 
> Minators whatsoever.  I don't remember where I got them, other than it was 
> through a Mini-Cooper parts house out of California.  It only took a few 
> weeks to get them (the Mini place ordered them from England).  A Google 
> search should turn up a dealer.
>
> Best of luck,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
>
> ---- Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com> wrote:
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> Since I'm too lazy to search, I'm looking for 13x6 wheels for the
>> Tigger.  Panasport can't make them until November so I was wondering if
>> there are other sources.  I see Rick carries LAT 70 reproductions and
>> Minilites.  Are there others that are readily available?  13x6 is the
>> max allowable under RMVR rules.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
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From gabbardalex at att.net  Tue Sep 21 18:50:29 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:50:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger wheels
In-Reply-To: <20100921163142.GC5VE.923065.imail@eastrmwml48>
References: <20100921163142.GC5VE.923065.imail@eastrmwml48>
Message-ID: <494571.38721.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you are looking Minilite type wheels, take a look at Rota RB 15x7x30
offset, 
4x108 bolt pattern, $120 ea from LSD Motorsports, Cypress, CA.
________________________________
From: "awtiger at cox.net" <awtiger at cox.net>
To:
tigers at autox.team.net; Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
Sent: Tue, September 21,
2010 4:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger wheels

Bob:

You might try
"Minator" wheels.  They are a Minilite knock-off (replica).  I 
bought a set
of them (13"x6") for my old Series I Alpine race car after waiting 
for
Panasports for over six months.  I had no problems with the Minators
whatsoever.  I don't remember where I got them, other than it was through a
Mini-Cooper parts house out of California.  It only took a few weeks to get
them 
(the Mini place ordered them from England).  A Google search should turn
up a 
dealer.  


Best of luck,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

----
Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com> wrote: 
> Hey gang,
> 
> Since I'm too lazy to
search, I'm looking for 13x6 wheels for the
> Tigger.  Panasport can't make
them until November so I was wondering if
> there are other sources.  I see
Rick carries LAT 70 reproductions and
> Minilites.  Are there others that are
readily available?  13x6 is the
> max allowable under RMVR rules.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
>
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Sep 21 18:51:41 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:51:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MkI Wiring Diagram
Message-ID: <4C99531D.30006@roadrunner.com>

  George:

Here's the link to the MkI wiring diagram on Tigers United.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Sep 21 19:03:30 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:03:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=f-+sup3V1tgZSsTZr0L8Fa-kFgccVi8uqMMz0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=e9YcM9aGPTSH-7dd7af1WPhOCe1kV3=5GLiV+@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9525ED.7050503@socal.rr.com> <4C9534EF.2030702@verizon.net>
	<36E9451791B6431D83EAC1F1D95F073A@student2>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E15544308A43A7@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<4C980C97.10009@mayfco.com>
	<D429BF2666604F71A21E1B34200551AF@DellD4700>
	<4C98B70D.2060708@mayfco.com>
	<816C5BEDABC14A76BA2A1241F5DAB496@3bfd27b5ca44402>
	<4C98E6A7.8050702@mayfco.com> <4C993C6E.6070903@socal.rr.com>
	<m4$aaTDHjUmMFwcN@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
	<AANLkTi=f-+sup3V1tgZSsTZr0L8Fa-kFgccVi8uqMMz0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9955E2.8030802@mayfco.com>

  On 9/21/2010 5:28 PM, michael king wrote:
> I'd liek to congratulate May f ona brave and amazing run.. the one thing i
> did find funny was the choice of sunbeam.
>
> I note that he added extra fins on the rear I assume to stabilise the car at
> speed and help it track straight... all i could think was that he should
> have based his car on a Series I-3 Alpine.. then the fins are already on the
> car!
>
"Fins" are spill plates on the rear spoiler. Not real fins but keeps the 
air on the spoiler chord. Plus it all is attached to the boot lid.

mayf

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Sep 21 19:27:14 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:27:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Info Request
In-Reply-To: <185EF0424457479BA235A05F604DCD94@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <185EF0424457479BA235A05F604DCD94@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405975174AD@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Hi Jeff,
The Tiger mailing list is administered by Mark Bradakis, but the mailings are
automated by the mailman list server software. It's more likely that you ran
afoul of some configuration mishap than that you got blocked by someone's
explicit action.

Still, you could send Mark an email and ask if there's a log of your rejected
messages.

Cheers,
Theo
________________________________________
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Nichols [jxnichols at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Info Request

Who is the Tiger email list Admin?  It would be interesting to find out who
was blocking me from submitting emails last week.




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From racetig at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 19:28:54 2010
From: racetig at verizon.net (Rob)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:28:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 498
Message-ID: <1554197088.2799761.1285118934668.JavaMail.root@vznit170064>


From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 19:36:34 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:36:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Info Request
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405975174AD@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <421026.49154.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jeff- an example would be if you replied to somone's post and your email sends
a copy of the email you are replying to, IF it is to long, may even have 2 or
3 emails attached below yours, the software will not send the post as it sees
it as being to long. Even if you send a really long post, you will have to
send it in 2 parts or the software wont post it and it doesnt let you know
why, it just disappears. Perhaps Mark can locate it, I really know very little
about the software, except that it does the work after Mark sets it up and
sometimes it messes up and an email to Mark is required to fix the problem.
There are times I see a reply to a post and I never received the original
post. I usually read it on the response from another member- it isnt often
enough for me to bother Mark but it has happened.
Good luck.
TonytheTiger (TonyLang)

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:


From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Info Request
To: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>, "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 8:27 PM


Hi Jeff,
The Tiger mailing list is administered by Mark Bradakis, but the mailings are
automated by the mailman list server software. It's more likely that you ran
afoul of some configuration mishap than that you got blocked by someone's
explicit action.

Still, you could send Mark an email and ask if there's a log of your rejected
messages.

Cheers,
Theo
________________________________________
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Nichols [jxnichols at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Info Request

Who is the Tiger email list Admin?  It would be interesting to find out who
was blocking me from submitting emails last week.




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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 19:48:04 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155443096A115@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <253906.25129.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ron- It wil be awhile but I too need the numbers/names etc for carnival red.
Thanks in advance.
TonytheTiger

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Teepen, Jere <jteepen at usatoday.com> wrote:


From: Teepen, Jere <jteepen at usatoday.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint part #s
To: "rfraser at bluefrog.com" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>, "'Jeffery Randall'"
<jefferyrandall at gmail.com>, "Tigers at autox.team.net" <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 5:21 PM


Ron: Your catalog of information is amazing.  How about Carnival Red?  I have
a friend that is returning a long lost Tiger to stock color and he is not on
the list.

Thanks in advance!

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:52 PM
To: 'Jeffery Randall'; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint part #s

Jeff

100    Mediterranean blue    Ditzler #13097   Lucite # 8431L  Dulux #
97680  Chrysler #75242868  Burger 404.2327
                    ICI 4530

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jeffery Randall
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:03 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s


Hi listers,
   Would any of you guys know the the Dupont or ditzler #s for code 100
Mediterranean Blue? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanx Jeff
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 20:45:16 2010
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:45:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s
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Hey Ron,
Many Thanx ,You are a great asset to this bunch of Lunatic Tigerheads. I
hope you ll be at Rockland ME for the, hope to meet you in person.
Thanks again
  Jeff

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Jeff
>
> 100     Mediterranean blue      Ditzler #13097   Lucite # 8431L  Dulux #
> 97680  Chrysler #75242868  Burger 404.2327
>                                        ICI 4530
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Jeffery Randall
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:03 PM
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s
>
>
> Hi listers,
>   Would any of you guys know the the Dupont or ditzler #s for code 100
> Mediterranean Blue? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>    Thanx Jeff
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From chris at cthompson.net  Tue Sep 21 20:46:02 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:46:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <15d75d.430e4197.39ca5a76@aol.com>
References: <15d75d.430e4197.39ca5a76@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C996DEA.9090405@cthompson.net>

  I surely don't laugh at Tractor Supply - I'm in there at least a 
coupla times a month.  But then, also, I got a tractor and a 200 acre 
farm to deal with ;-)

On 9/21/2010 2:59 PM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
> *And people laugh when I mention Tractor Supply.  Eat your heart out 
> if you're not near one.  Common nuts, bolts and washers for $1.49 lb., 
> etc.*
> *Mark L*
> In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> chris at cthompson.net writes:
>
>       Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and
>     they were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that
>     was on my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just
>     waiting on
>     pricing and availability.....
>
>     On 9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T Johnson wrote:
>     > Gene Padget got a new generator from Tractor Supply.  Seems its
>     > is used on Ford Tractors.  Give them a try.
>     > Dave Johnson

From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 20:51:30 2010
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:51:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Questions
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References: <47016092.1147953.1285109779356.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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On my 66 it was on the drivers side <left>
  Jeff

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:56 PM, George Re <mgman71 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Here goes some dumb questions it has been 5 years since I took the tiger
> apart and I did take many pictures but it has not help at this point. Which
> side of the car does the rear harness go on I thing it goes on the right
> side (passenger) is the correct? also where would I find a good wiring
> diagram for a mark I.
> Thanks Again
> George
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 20:51:46 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:51:46 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Info Request
References: <185EF0424457479BA235A05F604DCD94@jeffnicholsPC>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405975174AD@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <9D354776DB3B4BDB92DBD6913B89E9E4@student2>

If I recall correctly at least one of your recent emails had an attachment. 
Since I was able to receive it (with notation of the attachment removal) I 
doubt it is a factor, but may be??? Back in 2000 there was a gentleman named 
Mark Olsen who seemed to moderate the list.  I haven't seen him on here in a 
long time and therefore doubt he still has that function.
 Otherwise, as stated, the Tiger group is part of a larger group of auto 
email lists run by Mark Bradakis and I believe is located in Utah.


> Who is the Tiger email list Admin?  It would be interesting to find out 
> who
> was blocking me from submitting emails last week.

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 21:03:21 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:03:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] MK II 289 dyno tests
References: <4C992574.1010109@roadrunner.com>
	<AANLkTinK1m8KMetFqFrgPVBiY_70me-tGLWDa6tCCwXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<200BE0DE-D68E-4342-90EF-BC1FC561178B@att.net>
	<503771C15D734F2FB301C13C03F6F8BD@student2>
	<9875FE2B-E6D4-4947-BAC7-B2B0492FC3B3@att.net>
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Message-ID: <2605DDD607854451A7B9C4EAE23D5AF5@student2>

Alex,
  Do you have a  more definitive breakdown on the cast manifolds?  I'm 
curious if the differences were closer at lower RPM's.

  A number of years ago a Mopar magazine did test with a moderately built 
360.  At 5,000 stock 318 cast manifolds were within 10 HP of $800 TTI 
headers.  Mopar also had their version of cast "headers" from the 340 engine 
(about $300-$400 a set). They were only up 5 HP.

In this case the headers seem to really make a difference - at least at 
5,000 RPM.
Tom 

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Sep 22 01:17:50 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] FW: A great ride
In-Reply-To: <4C97BF61.1020204@cs.com>
References: <598140ABC4B944519C1A32DBBB396408@jerry> <4C97BF61.1020204@cs.com>
Message-ID: <672664.25581.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I got a ride in the sister car, Tanner Faust's Fiesta an it was crazy fast.
The 
best part of the ride was while I was holding on to what ever I could,
Tanner 
looked like he was relaxed and just rolling through the gears as we
rolled down 
the dirt track sideways. The car was crazy fast. I was originally
riding with 
Ken Block, but since I had met Tanner a couple of times prior he
grabbed me for 
a run. Closing comments were "Hey, sorry they said we couldn't
do the jump with 
passengers", Maybe that was a good thing.

Here's the video
if I have not posted it before 
http://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBlog/2010/08/06/x-games-video/

Sandy
----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Smith <RSSmithIQ at cs.com>
To: Jerry &
Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
Cc: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET
Sent: Mon,
September 20, 2010 1:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: A great ride

  Ken
Block has been around a while and is quite an impressive driver.  
Helps to
have an incredible car!  He did almost the same video two years 
ago in a
WRX.  You can find a bunch of videos on U-Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms

Where can I get his job?

-Randy
On 9/20/2010 2:52 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
> Not a Tiger, but it is a
Ford.  I thought this was entertaining.  You could
> say he drove the tires
right off the car.  Crazy!!
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
>
>    _____
>
>
http://wimp.com/impressivedriving/

-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752
Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
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From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Sep 22 06:55:29 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:55:29 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Wireing Harness
Message-ID: <254d35.1b89a8d0.39cb56c1@aol.com>

Hi George, 
 
The wiring harness that goes back to the taillights is on the left,  
driver's side. There is a group of connectors that go below the left A  pillar. 
 
John Logan

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 07:27:11 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:27:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155443096A115@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <03ABFCDEC6EE4C19AFFA06C3CC948FE4@ronpc1>

39  Carnival Red   Ditzler # 71144  Lucite # 8415LH  Dulux # 84016H
Chrysler # 75242822  Berger code 404.0949   ICI 8385

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Teepen, Jere [mailto:jteepen at usatoday.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:22 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'Jeffery Randall'; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Paint part #s


Ron: Your catalog of information is amazing.  How about Carnival Red?  I
have a friend that is returning a long lost Tiger to stock color and he is
not on the list.

Thanks in advance!

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:52 PM
To: 'Jeffery Randall'; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint part #s

Jeff

100	Mediterranean blue	Ditzler #13097   Lucite # 8431L  Dulux #
97680  Chrysler #75242868  Burger 404.2327   
					ICI 4530

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jeffery Randall
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:03 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s


Hi listers,
   Would any of you guys know the the Dupont or ditzler #s for code 100
Mediterranean Blue? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanx Jeff

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 07:32:49 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:32:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Questions
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George
	Assuming you have a LH drive Tiger; the harness is on the Left side.
I believe the RHD Tigers have it on the right side but I have seen only 1
and I did not look that closely.

There are wire diagrams online at TigersUnited.com

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of George Re
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:56 PM
To: Tigers
Subject: [Tigers] Questions


Here goes some dumb questions it has been 5 years since I took the tiger
apart and I did take many pictures but it has not help at this point. Which
side of the car does the rear harness go on I thing it goes on the right
side (passenger) is the correct? also where would I find a good wiring
diagram for a mark I. 
Thanks Again 
George 
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 08:26:01 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Paint part #s
In-Reply-To: <03ABFCDEC6EE4C19AFFA06C3CC948FE4@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <733022.1217.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

THANKS Ron for posting #39. I cant tell you how much your contributions to the
LIST mean to all of us.best regards, TonytheTiger (Tony Lang)

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint part #s
To: "'Teepen, Jere'" <jteepen at usatoday.com>, "'Jeffery Randall'"
<jefferyrandall at gmail.com>, Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:27 AM


39  Carnival Red   Ditzler # 71144  Lucite # 8415LH  Dulux # 84016H
Chrysler # 75242822  Berger code 404.0949   ICI 8385

Ron Fraser

From rande at thecia.net  Wed Sep 22 09:52:53 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Dr Mayfields horsepower
Message-ID: <4c9a2655.19e6.0@thecia.net>

OK, I'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS NOW.

In all of the accounts of the good Dr. and Speed Week, was how much horsepower
his red rocket put out ever brought out, and Rolls Royce guys, I don't want
to hear, 'adequate'.

And, is it fair or accurate to describe his motor as a VERY modified Ford unit?


I'm making this very broad appeal, as I working against a deadline this afternoon.

From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com  Wed Sep 22 09:56:12 2010
From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:56:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop prices
Message-ID: <BE9A6B7946F78D4E8731D948F4A146E614B906BE@exchhou02.Publicans.com>

I think the biggest factor in hardtop prices may be . . . . location.  I
have a '70 280 sl that had a bad hardtop and the shipping on others was
so steep it killed several opportunities.  I know the Tiger ones are
smaller, but it does factor in.  You have to have a buyer and a seller
in the same place, and logistics that make it worthwhile . . .



John Dillman

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Sep 22 11:50:53 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:50:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Dr Mayfields horsepower
In-Reply-To: <4c9a2655.19e6.0@thecia.net>
References: <4c9a2655.19e6.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <4C9A41FC.1060707@mayfco.com>

  Hey! I can answer that..

for 210.772 it took 490 RWHP or approximately 576 FWHP.  At 6100 rpm.
Very modified. AFR 205 Race heads
Comp Cams custom turbo grind cam
solid roller lifters
Comp Cams pro roller rockers
D.S. S. pistons at 9.2 cr
stock crank and rods
DSS main girdle
DSS windage tray
Meling blue printed high volume oil pump
Custom made (by me) Torker ii efi manifold
EFI using 65#/hr injectors
Tweecer tuning device
AOD by Performance Automatic transmission
Ford 9 in running in a 4 link setup with coill over shocks
Turbonetics HP 72 turbo
Turbonetics  racew gate waste gate control
  Ice water intercooler
MS 6A spark box


enough?

mayf


On 9/22/2010 8:52 AM, rande wrote:
> OK, I'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS NOW.
>
> In all of the accounts of the good Dr. and Speed Week, was how much horsepower
> his red rocket put out ever brought out, and Rolls Royce guys, I don't want
> to hear, 'adequate'.
>
> And, is it fair or accurate to describe his motor as a VERY modified Ford unit?
>
>
> I'm making this very broad appeal, as I working against a deadline this afternoon.
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 11:58:31 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Dr Mayfields horsepower
In-Reply-To: <4C9A41FC.1060707@mayfco.com>
References: <4c9a2655.19e6.0@thecia.net> <4C9A41FC.1060707@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinciyu8FFNJ3mcJVYRtdX4=E2SQtc0unp7C1v9H@mail.gmail.com>

Answers beget more questions: Where'd you find room for a Turbo? (There's
barely enough room for the engine!)

I'm assuming the stock crank and rods are for a 289. Correct?

Tom

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

>  Hey! I can answer that..
>
> for 210.772 it took 490 RWHP or approximately 576 FWHP.  At 6100 rpm.
> Very modified. AFR 205 Race heads
> Comp Cams custom turbo grind cam
> solid roller lifters
> Comp Cams pro roller rockers
> D.S. S. pistons at 9.2 cr
> stock crank and rods
> DSS main girdle
> DSS windage tray
> Meling blue printed high volume oil pump
> Custom made (by me) Torker ii efi manifold
> EFI using 65#/hr injectors
> Tweecer tuning device
> AOD by Performance Automatic transmission
> Ford 9 in running in a 4 link setup with coill over shocks
> Turbonetics HP 72 turbo
> Turbonetics  racew gate waste gate control
>  Ice water intercooler
> MS 6A spark box
>
>
> enough?
>
> mayf
>
>
> On 9/22/2010 8:52 AM, rande wrote:
>
>> OK, I'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS NOW.
>>
>> In all of the accounts of the good Dr. and Speed Week, was how much
>> horsepower
>> his red rocket put out ever brought out, and Rolls Royce guys, I don't
>> want
>> to hear, 'adequate'.
>>
>> And, is it fair or accurate to describe his motor as a VERY modified Ford
>> unit?
>>
>>
>> I'm making this very broad appeal, as I working against a deadline this
>> afternoon.
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Wed Sep 22 12:07:17 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:07:17 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Dr Mayfields horsepower
In-Reply-To: <4C9A41FC.1060707@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20100922140717.UW9MK.982467.imail@fed1rmwml37>

> enough?
> 
> mayf
>
Displacement?

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 13:12:41 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Dr Mayfields horsepower
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinciyu8FFNJ3mcJVYRtdX4=E2SQtc0unp7C1v9H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3511BD7D824E44EE9AD800E7774485E5@ronpc1>

Most of these questions can be answer by reviewing Mayfield's web pages.

http://www.mayfco.com/mechsys.htm#EngineCompartment

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:59 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dr Mayfields horsepower


Answers beget more questions: Where'd you find room for a Turbo? (There's
barely enough room for the engine!)

I'm assuming the stock crank and rods are for a 289. Correct?

Tom

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

>  Hey! I can answer that..
>
> for 210.772 it took 490 RWHP or approximately 576 FWHP.  At 6100 rpm. 
> Very modified. AFR 205 Race heads Comp Cams custom turbo grind cam
> solid roller lifters
> Comp Cams pro roller rockers
> D.S. S. pistons at 9.2 cr
> stock crank and rods
> DSS main girdle
> DSS windage tray
> Meling blue printed high volume oil pump
> Custom made (by me) Torker ii efi manifold
> EFI using 65#/hr injectors
> Tweecer tuning device
> AOD by Performance Automatic transmission
> Ford 9 in running in a 4 link setup with coill over shocks
> Turbonetics HP 72 turbo
> Turbonetics  racew gate waste gate control
>  Ice water intercooler
> MS 6A spark box
>
>
> enough?
>
> mayf
>
>
> On 9/22/2010 8:52 AM, rande wrote:
>
>> OK, I'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS NOW.
>>
>> In all of the accounts of the good Dr. and Speed Week, was how much 
>> horsepower his red rocket put out ever brought out, and Rolls Royce 
>> guys, I don't want
>> to hear, 'adequate'.
>>
>> And, is it fair or accurate to describe his motor as a VERY modified 
>> Ford unit?
>>
>>
>> I'm making this very broad appeal, as I working against a deadline 
>> this afternoon. _______________________________________________
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 13:37:31 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:37:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Questions
Message-ID: <506474.15115.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

George

Just pulled out my wiring harness about a month ago.  It ran down the
drivers 
side of the car.  From the dash, it went through the top large
opening in the 
drivers foot well in front of door, popped out at the floor,
ran down the floor 
with 2-3 clips that are welded on the rocker panel, then
just to the rear bulk 
head back in then up and then into the trunk with one
set of wires going to the 
fuel pump and the rest into the trunk, again on the
drivers side.

However, the trunk cluster of wires will not go thru the rear
bulkhead hole so 
start from the BACK and work your way forward as there is
only one set of 4-5 
wires without the right turns for fuel pump etc and and
the bulk of the rear 
light wires will also not go thru the rear bulk head. 
If your wires under the 
dash for the rear wiring harness are still connected,
mark them on both sides so 
that when you get back to the dash with the rear
harness, you can connect them 
back up.

Hope this helps.
Joel Martin

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Sep 22 14:02:03 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:02:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Generator - was Tiger ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <1092AE39-50F4-439E-9BFE-AD1E1D4E8635@att.net>
Message-ID: <C9DF79F59AF7439AA4FC196E46E49729@ronpc1>

Allan
	I'm not the expert when it comes to generators or things electrical
and I had numerous problems with my generator system.  The last time I had a
problem with the generator I used my lead hammer on it about every 50 miles
to get the brushes to move and work again; that was a $75 rebuild.
	It is my understanding that a generator is good of about 30,000
miles then it need new brushes.  I would think it easier to find a brush kit
for the generator.  NPD and Mac's show a listing for them.   I think you
also need to understand how to replace the brushes.  I think there is a
trick way to get the brushes installed.   It been too long since I worked
with the generator, I converted to Alternator.

If all else fails go to the Parts List with Ford Part numbers and do a
search on the part numbers.
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/17-WF-Electical
Equipment.pdf

Generator - C1TZ-10002-A
Brushes - C1AF-10069-A
Bearing Front - A8AZ-10094-A
Bearing Rear - B6A-10095-B

	Having a spare would be nice for a direct replacement and keep
going.  Mac's catalog lists a 30 amp generator for $114.95.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:06 PM
To: Beamclub TIGER
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator - was Tiger ignition switch


I checked with the local NAPA plus an OReillys -- total strikeout.

I'd like a spare generator in the trunk for roadside emergency repair,
especially when attempting the 2800 mile round trip to the United in
October...

Gotta be a stash somewhere :)

Allan Ballard
MK1a Tiger
Series IV Alpine

On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote:

> A word of warning here, the generators made for tractors are not the
> same as the automotive generators, they are not made for the higher
> RPM. The last one of these generators I saw that came from Tractor
> Supply was made in China and the bearings were galled and useless in
> less than a 1000 miles. This was on a Comet GT, also a Ford 260. I
> strongly suggest you find someone who can rebuild your old one if
> possible.
>
> Bugz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:59 PM
> To: chris at cthompson.net; djoh797014 at yahoo.com
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ignition switch
>
> And people laugh when I mention Tractor Supply.   Eat your heart out if
> you're not near one.  Common nuts, bolts and washers  for $1.49 lb.,
> etc. Mark L
>
>
> In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chris at cthompson.net writes:
>
> Viola!  Just happened to be near a Tractor Supply this morning and
> they were able to identify it cross referencing the 5383A number that
> was on my Carquest receipt from about 10 years ago.  Now just waiting
> on pricing and availability.....
>
> On 9/21/2010 12:41 AM, David T  Johnson wrote:
>> Gene Padget got a new generator from Tractor  Supply.  Seems its is
>> used on Ford Tractors.  Give them a  try. Dave  Johnson
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 14:31:04 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Generator -
In-Reply-To: <C9DF79F59AF7439AA4FC196E46E49729@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <347690.21766.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just called Bumper to Bumper, who bought out a parts store that has been in
Benton, IL. since the mid 60s that I know of. He didn't look the price up but
did tell me he sold one for a tractor a few days ago and it was around $80
exchange and they are rebuilt units. Jerry, who has worked there for years
told me as far as he knew, he couldn't buy new generators now, only rebuilt
ones. I think Allan mentioned in an earlier email he needed an armature, if
that is still the case, I can check with a rebuilder (alternators, generators
and starters) to see if they can obtain just an armature. My guess is they
can. They rebuilt the alternator for my S5 Alpine  and my Chevy Blazer (it was
a gift, as I do prefer Ford products) unless we get back into the 60s and
earlier, then most any American and many foreign cars are of interest to me,
especially English and a few from other countries. Seems every country has
made at least a few cars of interest. I'm just to
 Sunbeam poor to consider another car, I will do good to live long enough to
restore all the Beams I have but at least I have a son and a nephew that enjoy
the thought of owning a Sunbeam- preferably a Tiger I'm sure. To all a good
day.
TonytheTiger

---

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Sep 22 16:28:41 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] MkI Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <4C99531D.30006@roadrunner.com>
References: <4C99531D.30006@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <0E8103F41B214F27ABDAED01399B8951@jerry>

And if it's hard to see, just take it down to Kinko's and get it enlarged so
you can see it better.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:52 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; George Re
Subject: [Tigers] MkI Wiring Diagram

  George:

Here's the link to the MkI wiring diagram on Tigers United.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From vegaslegal at aol.com  Wed Sep 22 16:48:08 2010
From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:48:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Car's finally in paint.
Message-ID: <8CD28BF5C682E9B-1094-5552@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>

I finally got the show paint and show chrome done on the car.  Been a couple
of years.  2-5 primer guide coats on each panel.  Primer coat (wet sanded).
White base coat (wet sanded).  Three coats of European black (purple rather
than orange base, wet sanded and buffed), coat of clear (wet sanded and
buffed), and a final coat of clear.  Chrome is triple thick by "The Bumper
Guy" in Cali.  Some pics can be seen at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54197724 at N06/5015416681/.
Does anybody know anyone that sells or is selling a restored top frame.  The
one that came with the car was bent.

From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep 22 18:26:28 2010
From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Wipac lense
Message-ID: <512463.72808.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looking for a clear Wipac lense for the Reverse light on a Sunbeam.  Please
contact off list if you have one available.
 
Thanks-Chris

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 18:34:46 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:34:46 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Wipac lense
In-Reply-To: <512463.72808.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <512463.72808.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHVQeSC0VNDxYZm1SWN0wfWrrpOJx2bnY7e27Q@mail.gmail.com>

chris... just grab one of these.. you can use the bulb holders etc as spares
too.. (body will not be of use)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Austin-Morris-Triumph-BMC-MG-Wipac-Reverse-lamp-NOS-/120624874427?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c15cd83bb

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Reversing-Lamp-Wipac-/200522309595?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb00f9fdb

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/wipac-reverse-light-/130434339791?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e5e7e13cf

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Wipac-Rear-Reversing-Light-Reliant-Mini-Kitcar-/370434947554?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item563fa4b9e2

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Wipac-Reversing-Light-Unused-/370434626278?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item563f9fd2e6
On 23 September 2010 10:26, Chris Richards <cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Looking for a clear Wipac lense for the Reverse light on a Sunbeam.  Please
> contact off list if you have one available.
>
> Thanks-Chris
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From vegaslegal at aol.com  Wed Sep 22 18:46:44 2010
From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:46:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Paint Response Rande
Message-ID: <8CD28CFEE0A6A05-1094-76C2@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>

Yes, that is a red interior.  It was Martha at Pro Prep's last red one.  I
have the original red one in a box, worn but complete.  The color was
originally black too.  Bragging a bit here, but it is an original Cali Tiger
(Malibu) stored 20 years, 62k car all put on by the original owner.  I also
have an original LAT hood that has been finished for the car as well, and it
has pie mags.  Prior owner told me hood was bought directly from Dick Wheatley
together with LAT shocks and weld-on traction bars (now removed).  Norm saw
some pics when I got the car some years ago and confirmed the black/red color
combo and the LAT hood.  Everything on the car is stock or top end replacement
as stock (save for the paint and chrome).  Still has the tags including the
carb tag, and the Vin plate was never removed.  Thanks for looking.

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep 22 19:31:19 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:31:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Paint Response Rande
References: <8CD28CFEE0A6A05-1094-76C2@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C0B0A70E6D01466B8A1ABE9D8DF1AA5B@yourze8cxvr8tt>

i'm at a loss as to how you can do a first class paint job to the bulkhead 
without removing the vin tag. can someone explain to me how you do it?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <vegaslegal at aol.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:46 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Paint Response Rande


> Yes, that is a red interior.  It was Martha at Pro Prep's last red one.  I
> have the original red one in a box, worn but complete.  The color was
> originally black too.  Bragging a bit here, but it is an original Cali 
> Tiger
> (Malibu) stored 20 years, 62k car all put on by the original owner.  I 
> also
> have an original LAT hood that has been finished for the car as well, and 
> it
> has pie mags.  Prior owner told me hood was bought directly from Dick 
> Wheatley
> together with LAT shocks and weld-on traction bars (now removed).  Norm 
> saw
> some pics when I got the car some years ago and confirmed the black/red 
> color
> combo and the LAT hood.  Everything on the car is stock or top end 
> replacement
> as stock (save for the paint and chrome).  Still has the tags including 
> the
> carb tag, and the Vin plate was never removed.  Thanks for looking.
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep 22 19:58:12 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:58:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MkI Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <0E8103F41B214F27ABDAED01399B8951@jerry>
References: <4C99531D.30006@roadrunner.com>
	<0E8103F41B214F27ABDAED01399B8951@jerry>
Message-ID: <4C9AB434.2010909@roadrunner.com>

  Clicking on the diagram on the TU web site will enlarge the diagram.  
You can then print it out on an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet.  I have done so for 
the MkIA version, put it in a plastic carrier and keep it in my car.  
It's big enough for these old eyes to read and better than the one in 
the Workshop Manual.  If you really want to, you could have it 
laminated, but only Jim Armstrong is that compulsive.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE




On 9/22/2010 6:28 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
> And if it's hard to see, just take it down to Kinko's and get it enlarged so
> you can see it better.
>
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Tod Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:52 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; George Re
> Subject: [Tigers] MkI Wiring Diagram
>
>    George:
>
> Here's the link to the MkI wiring diagram on Tigers United.
>
> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From vegaslegal at aol.com  Wed Sep 22 20:12:32 2010
From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:12:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] paint and vin tag
Message-ID: <8CD28DBEAAFBC58-1094-98CF@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>

Question was how to do a first class paint job to bulkhead without removing
vin tag.  In my case I made an exception.  While every piece of chrome and
trim was removed, the vin tag was an exception.  Even used a dremel to get
next to it, but did not remove it.  Only taped it off.  The bulkhead itself
also needed substantial mod to put in more appropriate LAT hood pins.  Welded
receiver bolts underneath for pins.  The original installation procedures were
to cut a V into the bulkhead and just fold the wedge back and put the pin
receiver bolt arrangement in the crotch of the V.  We patched the V with
metal, braised in, and smoothed.  I posted some pictures of the original
installation by Wheatley a few years back.  It was truly a butcher job.  As to
the vin tag, it was a balancing of evils.  The Tiger crowd is so concerned
about original tags and rivits that removing this piece of provenance would
likely prove disasterous.  Incidentally, it also allows for a confirmation of
the cars original color if someone goes under the tag fifty years from now on
the next restoration (although the Color Code 1 on the tag suffices as well).

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 20:24:35 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:24:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Generator -
In-Reply-To: <347690.21766.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <347690.21766.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <943110.4864.qm@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The beauty of old cars is that you can rebuild them yourself.
My generator
brushes went bad so I replaced them myself. I
used an old CAT tech tip.  The
brushes were readily available
at the local parts suplly.  $2.50 for the
complete set.  I bougyht
a spare which is still in the desk drawer.

The olny
trick was to use a round file and 'arc' the brushes so
they make full contact
with the cummutaor.

I went to the Aurora engine /parts shop.  The counter man
looked at the generator.  H said 'Its an old Ford generator.  You'
need a #4
and $6 bearing.  He even volunteered to replace the
bearings while I watched. 
He warned abot breaking the
casting on the front while trying to remve the
bearuing.  He
used an arbor press with supporting sockets.  The rear bearing
was simply pried out with a screwdriver.

Worked great and still does.  I
loaned it to Gene Padgett since
His went bad and he needed it to drive to
Florida.  I got it back 
after 8 months.  He went trhough 4 or 5 rebuilds
until he got a
good one at Tractor supply.  I suspect the brushes were not
arced for a full contact.

The only issue I have is that when I repainted it I
painted over
the FoMoCo decal and I can't find a stencil to use.  I can find
a
repro sticker at Mustang Supply abut no stencil.  I have a lead
on a shop in
Westmiont, IL that has the stencil and uses it on concurs
 T-birds
restorations.  I'll visit them and find out.

Dave
________________________________
From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
To:
Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net>; Beamclub TIGER 
<Tigers at autox.team.net>;
rfraser at bluefrog.com
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 4:31:04 PM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] Generator -

I just called Bumper to Bumper, who bought out a parts
store that has been in
Benton, IL. since the mid 60s that I know of. He didn't
look the price up but
did tell me he sold one for a tractor a few days ago and
it was around $80
exchange and they are rebuilt units. Jerry, who has worked
there for years
told me as far as he knew, he couldn't buy new generators now,
only rebuilt
ones. I think Allan mentioned in an earlier email he needed an
armature, if
that is still the case, I can check with a rebuilder
(alternators, generators
and starters) to see if they can obtain just an
armature. My guess is they
can. They rebuilt the alternator for my S5 Alpine 
and my Chevy Blazer (it was
a gift, as I do prefer Ford products) unless we
get back into the 60s and
earlier, then most any American and many foreign
cars are of interest to me,
especially English and a few from other countries.
Seems every country has
made at least a few cars of interest. I'm just to
Sunbeam poor to consider another car, I will do good to live long enough to
restore all the Beams I have but at least I have a son and a nephew that enjoy
the thought of owning a Sunbeam- preferably a Tiger I'm sure. To all a good
day.
TonytheTiger

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From dsp781 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 22 21:53:48 2010
From: dsp781 at hotmail.com (Dexter Polistock)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:53:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger List Paint Part Numbers
Message-ID: <BAY157-w36FAEED7FF6EFC6BB16B7B96610@phx.gbl>

Could Ron or someone advise of the paint numbers for 86 "Forest Green"
especially interested in Dupont number.

Thanks - - Dexter  B382100153 LRXFE

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Sep 23 06:18:00 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:18:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger List Paint Part Numbers
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-w36FAEED7FF6EFC6BB16B7B96610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7E5435A48A194468A7035ABA126FFE4C@ronpc1>

Dexter

86 Forest Green  Ditzler #43313  Lucite 8420L  Dulux 97191  Chrysler
75242857  Berger 404.2106  ICI 3799

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dexter Polistock
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:54 PM
To: Tiger List Tiger List; Tiger ListTiger List
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger List Paint Part Numbers


Could Ron or someone advise of the paint numbers for 86 "Forest Green"
especially interested in Dupont number.

Thanks - - Dexter  B382100153 LRXFE
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 06:39:45 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:39:45 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
In-Reply-To: <086790A0-D6F4-4F0E-95D9-AECDC8CC1685@gmail.com>
References: <002e01cb59a3$cb452a00$61cf7e00$@com>
	<AANLkTimxoRzAA5=JEru7SV4uecehpVtFsjMsjzd_YuFa@mail.gmail.com>
	<086790A0-D6F4-4F0E-95D9-AECDC8CC1685@gmail.com>
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800 bucks:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190443128811&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Clarkwgriswold <
clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Michael! I'm getting pretty consistent opinions that they should be
> worth that. I think it's time to modify my perspective on the market of
> that
> item.
>
> Sent from my mobile...
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:48 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think a good hardtop shell without rust is worth 800-1500, if its
> missing
> the clips and trim it is a pain.. but ultimately they are expensive to
> repair... so if its solid and only missing the perspex.. i think 800-1500
> is a
> cheaper way to go than a complete one thats rusted... and 90% of the time
> the
> perspex is knackered anyway
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> > Michael King
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Sep 23 07:10:14 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:10:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
Message-ID: <221030180.1654302.1285247414723.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Even includes the hardtop!

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1966996527.html

Looks pretty good IF it is real...

And there is another one:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1963774076.html

I have no interest in these cars, just saw them and though I would
pass it on...
Gary

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 23 07:25:34 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:25:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
In-Reply-To: <221030180.1654302.1285247414723.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <221030180.1654302.1285247414723.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BE9EDA58-D334-46BE-AE80-AA60F9CF09A6@yahoo.com>

jeez, for $15k and $20k for these jalopies, you could have had mine for 22k in
FAR FAR better shape, i just sold it to a lucky chap last month

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/1965%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20For%
20Sale%20-%20June%202010/?action=view&current=101.jpg






On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:10 AM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:

> Even includes the hardtop!
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1966996527.html
>
> Looks pretty good IF it is real...
>
> And there is another one:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1963774076.html
>
> I have no interest in these cars, just saw them and though I would
> pass it on...
> Gary

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 07:29:40 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:29:40 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
In-Reply-To: <BE9EDA58-D334-46BE-AE80-AA60F9CF09A6@yahoo.com>
References: <221030180.1654302.1285247414723.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<BE9EDA58-D334-46BE-AE80-AA60F9CF09A6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimiQB5EFPU9xd-MTw8GrQe1xJL5tUTLVLAetihk@mail.gmail.com>

very lucky chap!

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> jeez, for $15k and $20k for these jalopies, you could have had mine for 22k
> in
> FAR FAR better shape, i just sold it to a lucky chap last month
>
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/1965%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20For%
> 20Sale%20-%20June%202010/?action=view&current=101.jpg<http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/1965%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20For%%0A20Sale%20-%20June%202010/?action=view&current=101.jpg>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:10 AM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Even includes the hardtop!
> >
> > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1966996527.html
> >
> > Looks pretty good IF it is real...
> >
> > And there is another one:
> >
> > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1963774076.html
> >
> > I have no interest in these cars, just saw them and though I would
> > pass it on...
> > Gary
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From rande at thecia.net  Thu Sep 23 07:44:15 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:44:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] painting and removing VIN plate
Message-ID: <4c9b59af.16c7.0@thecia.net>

'i'm at a loss as to how you can do a first class paint job to the bulkhead
without removing the vin tag. can someone explain to me how you do it?'

First, check the archives for the past discussion about "Algers", and if you
can find this one, look for the last posting within that group for one posted
by Tom Hall. I will not be adding even a single letter to that topic.

Secondly, a basic journalistic rule is that you should never ask a question
without already knowing the answer, and I can't help thinking you already knew
the answer, OWNERS CHOICE, even before  vegaslegal gave it to you.

Thirdly, what is mutually exclusive about keeping the tag ON, and going for
a quality paint job? RHETORICAL.

It's odd how a personal email I made to vegaslegal simply asking about the red
interior, and perhaps a really argumentative comment I made like "looks pretty
good" developed a whole new life as a VIN plate discussion.

Beware, someone else had finish work and final paint work done to their Tiger,
without removing the VIN plate, and it was ME.
Can't we still be friends, BW?

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 23 07:50:23 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:50:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
References: <221030180.1654302.1285247414723.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<BE9EDA58-D334-46BE-AE80-AA60F9CF09A6@yahoo.com>
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peter,
     i would give you 22K for your red car! it's looking good.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Laurinaitis" <laurin212 at yahoo.com>
To: <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)


> jeez, for $15k and $20k for these jalopies, you could have had mine for 
> 22k in
> FAR FAR better shape, i just sold it to a lucky chap last month
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/1965%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20For%
> 20Sale%20-%20June%202010/?action=view&current=101.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:10 AM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Even includes the hardtop!
>>
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1966996527.html
>>
>> Looks pretty good IF it is real...
>>
>> And there is another one:
>>
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1963774076.html
>>
>> I have no interest in these cars, just saw them and though I would
>> pass it on...
>> Gary
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 23 08:41:01 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
In-Reply-To: <E7A1EAD9675A4CAF867631B3F88117F1@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <633996.71675.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

the one i am restoring?  gosh, i even shudder at how many multiples of 22k i
have into that car for, but it will be exquisite.....
 
you can bury me in that one ... and that'll be a while as i am 40....

--- On Thu, 9/23/10, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:


From: bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
To: "Peter Laurinaitis" <laurin212 at yahoo.com>, garywinblad at comcast.net
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 9:50 AM


peter,
     i would give you 22K for your red car! it's looking good.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Laurinaitis" <laurin212 at yahoo.com>
To: <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)


> jeez, for $15k and $20k for these jalopies, you could have had mine for
> 22k in
> FAR FAR better shape, i just sold it to a lucky chap last month
>
>
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/1965%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20For%
> 20Sale%20-%20June%202010/?action=view&current=101.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:10 AM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Even includes the hardtop!
>>
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1966996527.html
>>
>> Looks pretty good IF it is real...
>>
>> And there is another one:
>>
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1963774076.html
>>
>> I have no interest in these cars, just saw them and though I would
>> pass it on...
>> Gary
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From simer.frank at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 08:50:56 2010
From: simer.frank at gmail.com (Frank Simer)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:50:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Hardtop prices/market value
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin+2-Rvr9O58GXvn3OxOkh9SnEarBbHyuCzKSJD@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002e01cb59a3$cb452a00$61cf7e00$@com>
	<AANLkTimxoRzAA5=JEru7SV4uecehpVtFsjMsjzd_YuFa@mail.gmail.com>
	<086790A0-D6F4-4F0E-95D9-AECDC8CC1685@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin+2-Rvr9O58GXvn3OxOkh9SnEarBbHyuCzKSJD@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow I did not realize these were sought after, I will have to climb in to my
shop''s attic and refurbish mine..... if anyone wants to buy it and is in
the Minneapolis area..(.I think there are two of you!) email me off
list....I am not going to crate it and send it to Timbuktu

Frank

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:

> 800 bucks:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190443128811&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Clarkwgriswold <
> clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Michael! I'm getting pretty consistent opinions that they should
> be
> > worth that. I think it's time to modify my perspective on the market of
> > that
> > item.
> >
> > Sent from my mobile...
> >
> > On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:48 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think a good hardtop shell without rust is worth 800-1500, if its
> > missing
> > the clips and trim it is a pain.. but ultimately they are expensive to
> > repair... so if its solid and only missing the perspex.. i think 800-1500
> > is a
> > cheaper way to go than a complete one thats rusted... and 90% of the time
> > the
> > perspex is knackered anyway
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Michael King
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 23 10:10:36 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:10:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] gen information
Message-ID: <654346.36860.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The following email was sent by Rob but it didnt post, it was just blank, so I
emailed to ask what he had attempted to post. he told me what he had wanted to
pass on to the LIST. It seems he too is having problems with LIST mail. Here
is his email, minus a bit of conversation that wasnt part of the orginal.
regards, TonytheTiger
> 
 Was just
>cautioning listers that it is advisable to have your voltage regulator
calibrated to the generator...
>All generators are NOT created equal in terms of output. It's the reason we
>see adjusting screws on the relays in the regulators... Any repair shop can
>handle the task. Just an opinion...




robs email is racingtig at verizon.net if you have questionss you might consider
a direct email in case he is still haveing LIST problems.
TtT

From barncobob at aol.com  Thu Sep 23 10:27:18 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:27:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
Message-ID: <8CD2953531338D3-195C-5E1@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com>

i have a stock 65 tiger with 13" minilites and 205/60/13 tires.
i want to upgrade to 15" something(panasports or look alikes)
i do not want to do any body modifiations.
is there a wheel of this type in 15" and tire size etc. that will work.
i would really like to hear from someone who is currently running this combo'
do u need 6" on front and 7" on rears?

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Sep 23 10:45:42 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:45:42 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
Message-ID: <1a125.68d8414f.39ccde36@aol.com>

I'd be very interested in this thread as well. I plan on mostly street  
driving and I am leaning toward a slotted (NASCAR looking) wheel. 
 
Tom  Milton
Lansing, IL.
1964 Tiger project
B382000257

 
 
 
In a message dated 9/23/2010 11:28:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
barncobob at aol.com writes:

i have a  stock 65 tiger with 13" minilites and 205/60/13 tires.
i want to upgrade to  15" something(panasports or look alikes)
i do not want to do any body  modifiations.
is there a wheel of this type in 15" and tire size etc. that  will work.
i would really like to hear from someone who is currently  running this 
combo'
do u need 6" on front and 7" on  rears?
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From dave at munroe.ca  Thu Sep 23 10:48:53 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (dave at munroe.ca)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:48:53 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1285260500.22015.tigers@autox.team.net>

Hey (Bob?)

I have 15x5.5's on the front, 15x6's on the rear.
I currently have 195x60 tires up front, and 205x55's on the rear. They work well, no interference anywhere,

Comfort comment: they stiffen up the ride considerably, and take a lot more stick to break the wheels loose, front and back.

I'll send you a photo by separate msg so you can see how they look.

BTW: I have Wilwood's up front - 10.5" rotors no problem. I was looking at them this morning and they would easily take 11" rotors if that is of interest to you.

Dave
------Original Message------
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Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
Sent: 23 Sep 2010 1:27 PM

i have a stock 65 tiger with 13" minilites and 205/60/13 tires.
i want to upgrade to 15" something(panasports or look alikes)
i do not want to do any body modifiations.
is there a wheel of this type in 15" and tire size etc. that will work.
i would really like to hear from someone who is currently running this combo'
do u need 6" on front and 7" on rears?
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From chris at cthompson.net  Thu Sep 23 11:08:21 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] gen information
In-Reply-To: <654346.36860.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <654346.36860.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C9B8985.5050707@cthompson.net>

  Got the call finally from Tractor Supply.  It was a trick, 
apparently.  They don't really have the generator available.......

From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Sep 23 11:38:03 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
In-Reply-To: <20100923164824.B823E187893@autox.team.net>
References: <20100923164824.B823E187893@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <311740.72130.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob -

I don't know if you can search the older tiger mailing list archive, but I think 
you can find a ton (or tonne) of info on the 15" wheel subject, offsets etc. I 
had at one time and found a lot of useful information. Also might have been on 
the CAT site it has some info as well.

Sandy




________________________________
From: "dave at munroe.ca" <dave at munroe.ca>
To: barncobob at aol.com; tigers-bounces at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 9:48:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires

Hey (Bob?)

I have 15x5.5's on the front, 15x6's on the rear.
I currently have 195x60 tires up front, and 205x55's on the rear. They work 
well, no interference anywhere,

Comfort comment: they stiffen up the ride considerably, and take a lot more 
stick to break the wheels loose, front and back.

I'll send you a photo by separate msg so you can see how they look.

BTW: I have Wilwood's up front - 10.5" rotors no problem. I was looking at them 
this morning and they would easily take 11" rotors if that is of interest to 
you.

Dave
------Original Message------
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Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
Sent: 23 Sep 2010 1:27 PM

i have a stock 65 tiger with 13" minilites and 205/60/13 tires.
i want to upgrade to 15" something(panasports or look alikes)
i do not want to do any body modifiations.
is there a wheel of this type in 15" and tire size etc. that will work.
i would really like to hear from someone who is currently running this combo'
do u need 6" on front and 7" on rears?
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From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Thu Sep 23 12:04:11 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:04:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
In-Reply-To: <8CD2953531338D3-195C-5E1@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD2953531338D3-195C-5E1@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C9B969B.5010507@cs.com>

  Hi guys-

Here's a post I did back in '05 right after I did a bunch of research 
and upgraded to 15" Panasports.

I just went through the same decisions.  I started with the same opinion 
and bias that you expressed.  I also wanted Minilites, since owning 
similar cars in the 60's.  And I wanted a period look.  As I got into 
it, the selection of 13" tires seemed to be too limited, so I decided to 
compromise and go to 14's.  The selection of 14's turned out to be no 
better.  In the end, I went with Panasports in 15".  I have to tell you, 
they really look awesome on the car and they actually ride better than 
the 13's, and certainly handle a lot better.  The main reason I went 
with Panasports rather than Minilites is the selection of widths and 
offsets.  I wanted to correct the narrow rear track, and could only do 
it with spacers behind the Minilites.  Spacers make me nervous.  I blew 
one off of my Mini at an autocross once.  I also wanted to be able to 
get the widest width that would fit without modification.  The Minilites 
only come in one width and one offset.  In the end, I got 15 x 6's for 
the front with 195/50/15's and I got 15 x 7's for the rear with 
205/50/15's.  I used Dunlops.  The rears have additional offset to the 
outside and the track is now more even.  The fronts fit with just some 
gentle bending of the front valance with my hands.  The rears did 
require me to do some minor grinding of the inner lip of the fender, but 
this was accomplished in a few minutes without being able to see 
anything from the outside.  The Panasports really have the Minilite 
look, but are a more modern wheel.  I'm really happy with the setup.  If 
you get Panasports, buy them through a knowledgeable Tiger shop.  There 
are a variety of offsets and someone with experience can get you the 
right ones without guessing.  Besides, everyone's prices are about the 
same.  I bought mine from Dale's Restoration and he had them shipped 
straight from Panasport.  By the way, Panasports use standard American 
style tapered lugnuts.  You can buy them from any parts supplier.  They 
are 7/16" x 20 thread.  Most of them take a 13/16" wrench which is hard 
to get into a Panasport.  Get the ones that will work with a 3/4" 
wrench.  "Mr. Lugnut" brand makes an appropriate one.  The 50 series 
tires are the same rolling diameter as stock, so the speedo is unchanged.

That's my 2 cents worth.

-Randy

On 9/23/2010 12:27 PM, barncobob at aol.com wrote:
> i have a stock 65 tiger with 13" minilites and 205/60/13 tires.
> i want to upgrade to 15" something(panasports or look alikes)
> i do not want to do any body modifiations.
> is there a wheel of this type in 15" and tire size etc. that will work.
> i would really like to hear from someone who is currently running this combo'
> do u need 6" on front and 7" on rears?
> _______________________________________________
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>

-- 

Randy Smith
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Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From dave at munroe.ca  Thu Sep 23 13:20:29 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:20:29 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
In-Reply-To: <4C9B969B.5010507@cs.com>
References: <8CD2953531338D3-195C-5E1@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com>
	<4C9B969B.5010507@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4EBFD020C446435380E8D2D5A3033444@DavePC>

Hi Randy:

Good post. I bought my Minilites about the same time you bought your 
Panasports, back in '05. I believe both wheels are a good choice for our 
Tigers, and they look similar. I have 15x5.5" on the front, and 15x6" on the 
rear.

I don't remember the offsets unfortunately, and am not entirely happy with 
the offset of my front rims. They protrude a bit outside the front fender 
well. I bought them from an outfit in the U.K. & took the recommendation of 
the counter person who was reading out of their fitment manual. They have 
since gone out of business. (Perhaps because of their fitment manual? heh 
heh...)

BTW, My wheel wells are completely stock and unmolested with these wheels 
fitted and - no interference. My Wilwood's fit right in there too, no prob.

But Minilite does make many stock offsets, and will make any offset you 
like, if you know what you want... 
http://www.minilitewheels.us/Wheels.aspx also see:
http://www.minilitewheels.com/technical.htm

The only comment I have about these wheels vs stock is they really stiffen 
up the ride. These low profile tires require higher than stock pressures, 
and don't provide any small bump compliance at all. They are quite 
unpleasant on a rough road. If you aren't into autocross or any other form 
of racing, a bit more sidewall would add a lot of comfort.

OTH, they stick like doggy do on a carpet, and provide a lot more stability 
when pushing it on the back roads where our cars need to be driven.

Each to his and her own...

Dave


Subject: Re: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires


>  Hi guys-
>
> Here's a post I did back in '05 right after I did a bunch of research
> and upgraded to 15" Panasports.
>
> I just went through the same decisions.  I started with the same opinion
> and bias that you expressed.  I also wanted Minilites, since owning
> similar cars in the 60's.  And I wanted a period look.  As I got into
> it, the selection of 13" tires seemed to be too limited, so I decided to
> compromise and go to 14's.  The selection of 14's turned out to be no
> better.  In the end, I went with Panasports in 15".  I have to tell you,
> they really look awesome on the car and they actually ride better than
> the 13's, and certainly handle a lot better.  The main reason I went
> with Panasports rather than Minilites is the selection of widths and
> offsets.  I wanted to correct the narrow rear track, and could only do
> it with spacers behind the Minilites.  Spacers make me nervous.  I blew
> one off of my Mini at an autocross once.  I also wanted to be able to
> get the widest width that would fit without modification.  The Minilites
> only come in one width and one offset.  In the end, I got 15 x 6's for
> the front with 195/50/15's and I got 15 x 7's for the rear with
> 205/50/15's.  I used Dunlops.  The rears have additional offset to the
> outside and the track is now more even.  The fronts fit with just some
> gentle bending of the front valance with my hands.  The rears did
> require me to do some minor grinding of the inner lip of the fender, but
> this was accomplished in a few minutes without being able to see
> anything from the outside.  The Panasports really have the Minilite
> look, but are a more modern wheel.  I'm really happy with the setup.  If
> you get Panasports, buy them through a knowledgeable Tiger shop.  There
> are a variety of offsets and someone with experience can get you the
> right ones without guessing.  Besides, everyone's prices are about the
> same.  I bought mine from Dale's Restoration and he had them shipped
> straight from Panasport.  By the way, Panasports use standard American
> style tapered lugnuts.  You can buy them from any parts supplier.  They
> are 7/16" x 20 thread.  Most of them take a 13/16" wrench which is hard
> to get into a Panasport.  Get the ones that will work with a 3/4"
> wrench.  "Mr. Lugnut" brand makes an appropriate one.  The 50 series
> tires are the same rolling diameter as stock, so the speedo is unchanged.
>
> That's my 2 cents worth.
>
> -Randy

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 23 13:45:38 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:45:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
References: <633996.71675.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8F3AD403E0E14B2E8C1083CA5454BF91@yourze8cxvr8tt>

peter,
      i offered to help on your car so he can get back to work on mine. i hear
the windshield is on your car. the seats really look good!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Peter L
  To: garywinblad at comcast.net ; bob webb
  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)


        the one i am restoring?  gosh, i even shudder at how many multiples of
22k i have into that car for, but it will be exquisite.....

        you can bury me in that one ... and that'll be a while as i am 40....

        --- On Thu, 9/23/10, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:


          From: bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
          Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
          To: "Peter Laurinaitis" <laurin212 at yahoo.com>,
garywinblad at comcast.net
          Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
          Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 9:50 AM


          peter,
               i would give you 22K for your red car! it's looking good.
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Peter Laurinaitis" <laurin212 at yahoo.com>
          To: <garywinblad at comcast.net>
          Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
          Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:25 AM
          Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)


          > jeez, for $15k and $20k for these jalopies, you could have had
mine for
          > 22k in
          > FAR FAR better shape, i just sold it to a lucky chap last month
          >
          >
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/1965%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20For%
          > 20Sale%20-%20June%202010/?action=view&current=101.jpg
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:10 AM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:
          >
          >> Even includes the hardtop!
          >>
          >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1966996527.html
          >>
          >> Looks pretty good IF it is real...
          >>
          >> And there is another one:
          >>
          >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1963774076.html
          >>
          >> I have no interest in these cars, just saw them and though I
would
          >> pass it on...
          >> Gary
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 15:38:00 2010
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
In-Reply-To: <8F3AD403E0E14B2E8C1083CA5454BF91@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <633996.71675.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8F3AD403E0E14B2E8C1083CA5454BF91@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4hkQ0PiMyYpczVkacWKANK1C600m8LQ2=pKZZ@mail.gmail.com>

The Tiger in primer for 15k is not a 66 with round doors. I d be careful of
that one!

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:45 PM, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> peter,
>      i offered to help on your car so he can get back to work on mine. i
> hear
> the windshield is on your car. the seats really look good!
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Peter L
>  To: garywinblad at comcast.net ; bob webb
>  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>   Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:41 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
>
>
>        the one i am restoring?  gosh, i even shudder at how many multiples
> of
> 22k i have into that car for, but it will be exquisite.....
>
>        you can bury me in that one ... and that'll be a while as i am
> 40....
>
>        --- On Thu, 9/23/10, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
>          From: bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
>          Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
>          To: "Peter Laurinaitis" <laurin212 at yahoo.com>,
> garywinblad at comcast.net
>          Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
>          Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 9:50 AM
>
>
>          peter,
>               i would give you 22K for your red car! it's looking good.
>          ----- Original Message -----
>          From: "Peter Laurinaitis" <laurin212 at yahoo.com>
>          To: <garywinblad at comcast.net>
>          Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
>          Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:25 AM
>          Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
>
>
>          > jeez, for $15k and $20k for these jalopies, you could have had
> mine for
>          > 22k in
>          > FAR FAR better shape, i just sold it to a lucky chap last month
>          >
>          >
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/1965%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20For%
>          > 20Sale%20-%20June%202010/?action=view&current=101.jpg
>          >
>          >
>          >
>          >
>          >
>          >
>          > On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:10 AM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:
>          >
>          >> Even includes the hardtop!
>          >>
>          >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1966996527.html
>          >>
>          >> Looks pretty good IF it is real...
>          >>
>          >> And there is another one:
>          >>
>          >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1963774076.html
>          >>
>          >> I have no interest in these cars, just saw them and though I
> would
>          >> pass it on...
>          >> Gary
>          > _______________________________________________
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Thu Sep 23 15:52:05 2010
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:52:05 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4hkQ0PiMyYpczVkacWKANK1C600m8LQ2=pKZZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <633996.71675.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8F3AD403E0E14B2E8C1083CA5454BF91@yourze8cxvr8tt>
	<AANLkTik4hkQ0PiMyYpczVkacWKANK1C600m8LQ2=pKZZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b5f91c308d29715189ba0228cecf1519@localhost>

I have had a '66 with round doors and a '66 with square.  Depends on
what they had laying around I guess.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:38:00 -0400, Jeffery Randall
<jefferyrandall at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Tiger in primer for 15k is not a 66 with round doors. I d be careful of
> that one!

From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Sep 23 17:49:21 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:49:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
Message-ID: <118014A4FA4E4ACB9482551FC1A7FE43@JPC>

Hello Listers

I know we had this discussion about clocks a month or so ago. Thanks to all
your input I figured out that my Smiths CE 2194/09 was not correct for my
Tiger Mk1 and I needed a CE 3030/00.

I have been dutifully scanning the airways unsuccessfully.

I know they are hard to come by but if anybody has one available for sale...or
knows where one is located, please let me know.

Thx,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

From cbowland at msn.com  Thu Sep 23 18:01:04 2010
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:01:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tom Patton update
Message-ID: <SNT125-DS39BB4E0681BA4F1CCFEDBDB620@phx.gbl>

Listers,

As many of you know Tom Patton is still carrying the banner for Tigers.

He qualified fourth at the SCCA runoffs at Elkhart lake. His time was
2:19.767. This would be second row position.

The pole time was 2:18.328 in a Porsche 996 GT3 cup car.

His race goes off Sunday at 10:30 AM Central time. You can possibly view on
line at www.SpeedCastTv.com<http://www.speedcasttv.com/> and "live" timing and
scoring at

www.scca.com/runoffs<http://www.scca.com/runoffs> .

Let's keep our fingers crossed for Tom and his Tiger.

Regards,

Curt Bowland
Chicago

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 18:17:07 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:17:07 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
In-Reply-To: <118014A4FA4E4ACB9482551FC1A7FE43@JPC>
References: <118014A4FA4E4ACB9482551FC1A7FE43@JPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAg_2-C+6JKsmS0GEG2OsYDw-DuPrycVLBKGNw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

The clock you have is for a S3/IV alpine.. apart from the small part numbers
on the face and the earthing it is visual identical.. unless you are
requiring it for concourse original competition i would not be to concerned
about getting tyhe correct clock.. they are hard to come by and very pricey.

On 24 September 2010 09:49, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

> Hello Listers
>
> I know we had this discussion about clocks a month or so ago. Thanks to all
> your input I figured out that my Smiths CE 2194/09 was not correct for my
> Tiger Mk1 and I needed a CE 3030/00.
>
> I have been dutifully scanning the airways unsuccessfully.
>
> I know they are hard to come by but if anybody has one available for
> sale...or
> knows where one is located, please let me know.
>
> Thx,
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>
>


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From allanballard at att.net  Thu Sep 23 18:27:55 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:27:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
In-Reply-To: <118014A4FA4E4ACB9482551FC1A7FE43@JPC>
References: <118014A4FA4E4ACB9482551FC1A7FE43@JPC>
Message-ID: <88B40669-E8EF-441A-90E1-C8CBAA43A95E@att.net>

CAT site:  http://www.catmbr.org/

m 18 tiger clock, smith's, quartz movement $308.00 - has 9 and 3 on their
sides...

Not sure but may be correct face for Mk1

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
S IV Alpine




On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:49 PM, James Lindner wrote:

> Hello Listers
>
> I know we had this discussion about clocks a month or so ago. Thanks to all
> your input I figured out that my Smiths CE 2194/09 was not correct for my
> Tiger Mk1 and I needed a CE 3030/00.
>
> I have been dutifully scanning the airways unsuccessfully.
>
> I know they are hard to come by but if anybody has one available for
sale...or
> knows where one is located, please let me know.
>
> Thx,
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 23 18:39:56 2010
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:39:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4hkQ0PiMyYpczVkacWKANK1C600m8LQ2=pKZZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <633996.71675.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com><8F3AD403E0E14B2E8C1083CA5454BF91@yourze8cxvr8tt>
	<AANLkTik4hkQ0PiMyYpczVkacWKANK1C600m8LQ2=pKZZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <123299A15B064ABEBEE6898570FBCC5E@ROSS>

My first tiger purchased in 1967 had round doors and hood from the pictures
that I have.  It was registered as a 1967 Sunbeam Tiger.  It was probably a
947 car.  Tigers did not sell well in the day and this one was on the show
room floor for 2 years.  Want a picture I will send one if you ask off line.

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
 

Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)

The Tiger in primer for 15k is not a 66 with round doors. I d be careful of
that one!

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:45 PM, bob webb
<bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> peter,
>      i offered to help on your car so he can get back to work on mine. i
> hear
> the windshield is on your car. the seats really look good!

From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Sep 23 19:22:09 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimAg_2-C+6JKsmS0GEG2OsYDw-DuPrycVLBKGNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <118014A4FA4E4ACB9482551FC1A7FE43@JPC>
	<AANLkTimAg_2-C+6JKsmS0GEG2OsYDw-DuPrycVLBKGNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <638AC64F13DC4B2B9221CB7CAA3DBBDE@JPC>

Michael

Thanks...and I would concur with your assesment and I will probably not be
winning any concours but since I have yet to find one I have not had the
opportunity to see exactly how pricey they are. Once I get a dose of reality I
might just stick with my 2194...but I would at least like to know and have the
opportunity to decide.

Jim
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: michael king
  To: James Lindner
  Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks


  Jim,

  The clock you have is for a S3/IV alpine.. apart from the small part numbers
on the face and the earthing it is visual identical.. unless you are requiring
it for concourse original competition i would not be to concerned about
getting tyhe correct clock.. they are hard to come by and very pricey.


  On 24 September 2010 09:49, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

    Hello Listers

    I know we had this discussion about clocks a month or so ago. Thanks to
all
    your input I figured out that my Smiths CE 2194/09 was not correct for my
    Tiger Mk1 and I needed a CE 3030/00.

    I have been dutifully scanning the airways unsuccessfully.

    I know they are hard to come by but if anybody has one available for
sale...or
    knows where one is located, please let me know.

    Thx,

    Jim Lindner
    B9470033
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  Michael King

From Landcmitch at aol.com  Thu Sep 23 19:36:20 2010
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:36:20 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
Message-ID: <38d1d.632fb96d.39cd5a94@aol.com>

The clock that came with my tiger, 9470574, as a dealer option in December  
1964  is a CE3131/01;  red hands, 3 and 9 upright.
 
Now, does anyone know who it is that repairs/ replaces movements on these  
clocks, possible a quartz movement?
 
Charlie

From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Sep 23 19:47:31 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:47:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
In-Reply-To: <38d1d.632fb96d.39cd5a94@aol.com>
References: <38d1d.632fb96d.39cd5a94@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A70E1FDCB4B45F49982650C003C8930@JPC>

Charlie,

Based upon some other threads on this List on this topic I reached out to
Peter at Nisonger (offical Smiths service company) who provided the
following:


  The only offer a rebuild @ $125 or a Micro-Processor conversion (which
stabilizes the voltage and eliminates the  points problems with the CE series
clocks; the cost of the conversion is $150, please note that both prices are
plus shipping. The hands can only be painted to match those of the original
Tiger Clock. Just like our rebuilds, the conversions are guaranteed for one
year. Nisonger has been the sole and exclusive U.S. Warranty and Service
Center for Smiths & British Jaeger Instruments since 1949; nobody knows more
about these gauges then us! Our current turnaround time is about 4+ weeks.
Please pack it up carefully, include a note with the following information:



    a.. Your name & return shipping address.
    b.. A daytime phone number where you can be reached during business hours.
    c.. If you want to have the clock rebuilt or converted and that the hands
should be painted to match the Tiger Clock
    d.. Visa or MasterCard number and expiration date.
    e.. The billing address for the card if it differs from the specified
shipping address.
    f.. The cardholders name as it appears on the card.
    g.. The 3 digit security code found on the back of the card.
   and send it to:


  Nisonger Instruments

  225 Hoyt Avenue

  Mamaroneck, NY  10543



  Hope this helps,



  Jim Lindner

  B9470033

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Landcmitch at aol.com
  To: jliny5 at cox.net ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks


  The clock that came with my tiger, 9470574, as a dealer option in December
1964  is a CE3131/01;  red hands, 3 and 9 upright.

  Now, does anyone know who it is that repairs/ replaces movements on these
clocks, possible a quartz movement?

  Charlie

From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Sep 23 19:55:47 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:55:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
In-Reply-To: <38d1d.632fb96d.39cd5a94@aol.com>
References: <38d1d.632fb96d.39cd5a94@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C92D1FDD2ABB45E0B315B9646E15ECBD@JPC>

Charlie

That is very interesting. Based upon existing info (see link) the Mk1 was
equipped with 3030/00.


http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=82&p2_articleid=7

I have heard that as dealer options, the clock actually installed could have
been anything the dealer had on hand.

Jim
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Landcmitch at aol.com
  To: jliny5 at cox.net ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks


  The clock that came with my tiger, 9470574, as a dealer option in December
1964  is a CE3131/01;  red hands, 3 and 9 upright.

  Now, does anyone know who it is that repairs/ replaces movements on these
clocks, possible a quartz movement?

  Charlie

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 23 20:10:25 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:10:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
References: <633996.71675.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com><8F3AD403E0E14B2E8C1083CA5454BF91@yourze8cxvr8tt>
	<AANLkTik4hkQ0PiMyYpczVkacWKANK1C600m8LQ2=pKZZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<123299A15B064ABEBEE6898570FBCC5E@ROSS>
Message-ID: <EFEFB8042427466B826CC4FAC6FC1DCE@yourze8cxvr8tt>

in the sixties most import cars were titled in the year they were sold. it 
may have been built in 1965 but was not sold for quite awile.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross" <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Jeffery Randall'" <jefferyrandall at gmail.com>; "'bob webb'" 
<bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)


>
> My first tiger purchased in 1967 had round doors and hood from the 
> pictures
> that I have.  It was registered as a 1967 Sunbeam Tiger.  It was probably 
> a
> 947 car.  Tigers did not sell well in the day and this one was on the show
> room floor for 2 years.  Want a picture I will send one if you ask off 
> line.
>
> Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
>
> The Tiger in primer for 15k is not a 66 with round doors. I d be careful 
> of
> that one!
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:45 PM, bob webb
> <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
>> peter,
>>      i offered to help on your car so he can get back to work on mine. i
>> hear
>> the windshield is on your car. the seats really look good!

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 23 22:51:28 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
In-Reply-To: <C92D1FDD2ABB45E0B315B9646E15ECBD@JPC>
Message-ID: <982858.67957.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Charlie- if you search Sunbeam Tigers in the UK, there is a seller who always
has clocks- for several cars but I dont think when I was looking at UK Ebay,
him not having a Beam clock listed. I had to stop looking as I always wanted
something and shipping is expensive as well, not all sellers will sell to the
US. This seller sold worldwide tho.
Cheers, TonytheTiger
PS- There are quartz replacements available, I just dont recall who it was
selling them. I will post that information if I find it.






http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=82&p2_articleid=7

I have heard that as dealer options, the clock actually installed could have
been anything the dealer had on hand.

Jim


  The clock that came with my tiger, 9470574, as a dealer option in December
1964  is a CE3131/01;  red hands, 3 and 9 upright.

  Now, does anyone know who it is that repairs/ replaces movements on these
clocks, possible a quartz movement?

  Charlie
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From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 23 22:55:32 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (gswaybright at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <190780.47982.qm@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://bit.ly/cyfZTg

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 01:27:32 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:27:32 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
In-Reply-To: <EFEFB8042427466B826CC4FAC6FC1DCE@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <633996.71675.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8F3AD403E0E14B2E8C1083CA5454BF91@yourze8cxvr8tt>
	<AANLkTik4hkQ0PiMyYpczVkacWKANK1C600m8LQ2=pKZZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<123299A15B064ABEBEE6898570FBCC5E@ROSS>
	<EFEFB8042427466B826CC4FAC6FC1DCE@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincvCeqT5De9HzQgc+SjSXje2O24mViV7VvkRQ4@mail.gmail.com>

my December 65 was titled as a 67.

On Friday, September 24, 2010, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> in the sixties most import cars were titled in the year they were sold. it
may have been built in 1965 but was not sold for quite awile.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross" <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Jeffery Randall'" <jefferyrandall at gmail.com>; "'bob webb'"
<bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
>
>
>
>
> My first tiger purchased in 1967 had round doors and hood from the pictures
> that I have.  It was registered as a 1967 Sunbeam Tiger.  It was probably a
> 947 car.  Tigers did not sell well in the day and this one was on the show
> room floor for 2 years.  Want a picture I will send one if you ask off
line.
>
> Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 SUNBEAM TIGER - $15000 (santa rosa)
>
> The Tiger in primer for 15k is not a 66 with round doors. I d be careful of
> that one!
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:45 PM, bob webb
> <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
>
> peter,
>      i offered to help on your car so he can get back to work on mine. i
> hear
> the windshield is on your car. the seats really look good!
>
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 05:49:50 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:49:50 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
Message-ID: <48573.37aebb18.39cdea5e@aol.com>

You can run 6" wide wheels, but you will have to trim your front valnce 
panel. Depending on whel offset and tire choice, I don't believe you will get 
sevens into stock rear wheel wells. You might be able to use 5.5" wide wheels 
up front and not cut your valence, but wheel offset will be the key. A 
stock Tiger tire is about 24" in diameter, so factor this in, when you seek 
tires.

Pack Racing has Minilite looking Superlite wheels, that have worked well 
for me.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Sep 24 07:32:50 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:32:50 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
In-Reply-To: <48573.37aebb18.39cdea5e@aol.com>
References: <48573.37aebb18.39cdea5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A639F19393F449E0B21108DD3EB69BFC@DavePC>

Thanks Tim;

My experience with sizing exactly. 15X5.5's up front; 15x6's in the rear. No 
modifications - no interference. 11" Wilwood's fit just fine. You going 
racing - or are you going to travel - you figure out how you will spend most 
of your time in the car and choose accordingly.

But if you are just looking for bragging rights, fill your wheel wells, its 
your car!

Dave



From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
To: <barncobob at aol.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires


> You can run 6" wide wheels, but you will have to trim your front valnce
> panel. Depending on whel offset and tire choice, I don't believe you will 
> get
> sevens into stock rear wheel wells. You might be able to use 5.5" wide 
> wheels
> up front and not cut your valence, but wheel offset will be the key. A
> stock Tiger tire is about 24" in diameter, so factor this in, when you 
> seek
> tires.
>
> Pack Racing has Minilite looking Superlite wheels, that have worked well
> for me.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Fri Sep 24 09:24:19 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:24:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
In-Reply-To: <A639F19393F449E0B21108DD3EB69BFC@DavePC>
References: <48573.37aebb18.39cdea5e@aol.com>
	<A639F19393F449E0B21108DD3EB69BFC@DavePC>
Message-ID: <4C9CC2A3.8060603@cs.com>

  Maybe I'm just looking for "bragging rights", but I do have to say 
that using Panasports with the correct offsets allow you to go 6" in the 
front and 7" in the rear without any real fender modifications.  I 
ground about 1/4" off the inner lip of the rear fenders (nothing that 
can be seen from the outside) and reshaped the front valance with my 
hands in about 10 seconds.  One benefit is that the track looks much 
more consistent front to rear.  But we all have our preferences.

-Randy

On 9/24/2010 9:32 AM, Dave Munroe wrote:
> Thanks Tim;
>
> My experience with sizing exactly. 15X5.5's up front; 15x6's in the 
> rear. No modifications - no interference. 11" Wilwood's fit just fine. 
> You going racing - or are you going to travel - you figure out how you 
> will spend most of your time in the car and choose accordingly.
>
> But if you are just looking for bragging rights, fill your wheel 
> wells, its your car!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
> To: <barncobob at aol.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
>
>
>> You can run 6" wide wheels, but you will have to trim your front valnce
>> panel. Depending on whel offset and tire choice, I don't believe you 
>> will get
>> sevens into stock rear wheel wells. You might be able to use 5.5" 
>> wide wheels
>> up front and not cut your valence, but wheel offset will be the key. A
>> stock Tiger tire is about 24" in diameter, so factor this in, when 
>> you seek
>> tires.
>>
>> Pack Racing has Minilite looking Superlite wheels, that have worked well
>> for me.
>>
>> Tim Suddard
>> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
>> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
>> www.classicmotorsports.net
>> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
>> Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
>
-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Fri Sep 24 12:47:29 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:47:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <190780.47982.qm@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <190780.47982.qm@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C9CF241.3050100@socal.rr.com>

Tigers,

Please pardon this lengthy WARNING, but it may help from you getting a 
really bad "stuff"

I just received the message below through our Tiger.net.  Somehow, I 
think I recognize the name of the sender, "gswaybright", but am unable 
to find any mail from him this year.  It offered a "link" strangely 
configured. 

"http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  Note, this has been edited by substituting some 
"X"s instead of the original letters.

When I clicked on it:

I got the notice from "Bit.ly"

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warning, this website may harm your computer icon
Stop - there might be a problem with the requested link

The link you requested has been identified by bit.ly as being 
potentially problematic. We have detected a link that has been shortened 
more than once, and that may be a problem because:

    * Some URL-shorteners re-use their links, so bit.ly can't guarantee 
the validity of this link.
    * Some URL-shorteners allow their links to be edited, so bit.ly 
can't tell where this link will lead you.
    * Spam and malware is very often propagated by exploiting these 
loopholes, neither of which bit.ly allows for.

The link you requested may contain inappropriate content, or even spam 
or malicious code that could be downloaded to your computer without your 
consent, or may be a forgery or imitation of another website, designed 
to trick users into sharing personal or financial information.
Bit.ly suggests that you

    * Change the original link, and re-shorten with bit.ly
    * Close your browser window
    * Notify the sender of the URL

Or, continue at your own risk to
http://twurl.nl/uz5ml5

    * You can learn more about harmful content at www.StopBadware.org
    * You can find out more about phishing from www.antiphishing.org
    * For more information about our policy please contact 
support%2Bspam at bit.ly
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am not saying that "Mr. Waybright" sent this, or it's a "spoof".  But 
you are pre-warned to be very careful!
If you receive a link formatted as shown.


/Steve Laifman/
/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



gswaybright at yahoo.com wrote:
> "http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  (Edited)
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From bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com  Fri Sep 24 12:55:33 2010
From: bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com (Bill Bulpitt)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:55:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Bragging Rights?
Message-ID: <A5C63FDA03A50E4289BBB95DC54C32FF8C2207@atlspsmail.SterlingPlanet.local>

What's all this about bragging rights?  It must be a generational thing.
I guess if I wanted to align myself with Snoop Dogg I would buy an
Escalade.  Just my opinion...



Bill Bulpitt

William S. Bulpitt, P.E.

Project Director, Sterling Energy Assets

3500 Parkway Lane, Suite 500, Norcross, GA 30092

T: 678-325-7106 C: 770-329-5263

bbulpitt at sterlingplanet.com




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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 13:11:31 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:11:31 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
Message-ID: <62ee8.2893bd17.39ce51e3@aol.com>

Steve,
Archives search shows  400 hits concerning  gswaybright (Steven Waybright). 
One of the more recent being in Feb  2010.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 9/24/2010 2:47:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

Tigers,

Please pardon this lengthy WARNING, but it may help  from you getting a 
really bad "stuff"

I just received the message  below through our Tiger.net.  Somehow, I 
think I recognize the name  of the sender, "gswaybright", but am unable 
to find any mail from him this  year.  It offered a "link" strangely 
configured.  

"http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  Note, this has been edited by  substituting some 
"X"s instead of the original letters.

When I  clicked on it:

I got the notice from  "Bit.ly"

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warning,  this website may harm your computer icon
Stop - there might be a problem  with the requested link

The link you requested has been identified by  bit.ly as being 
potentially problematic. We have detected a link that has  been shortened 
more than once, and that may be a problem  because:

* Some URL-shorteners re-use their links, so  bit.ly can't guarantee 
the validity of this link.
* Some  URL-shorteners allow their links to be edited, so bit.ly 
can't tell where  this link will lead you.
* Spam and malware is very often  propagated by exploiting these 
loopholes, neither of which bit.ly allows  for.

The link you requested may contain inappropriate content, or even  spam 
or malicious code that could be downloaded to your computer without  your 
consent, or may be a forgery or imitation of another website,  designed 
to trick users into sharing personal or financial  information.
Bit.ly suggests that you

* Change the  original link, and re-shorten with bit.ly
* Close your  browser window
* Notify the sender of the URL

Or,  continue at your own risk to
http://twurl.nl/uz5ml5

*  You can learn more about harmful content at www.StopBadware.org
* You can find out more about phishing from  www.antiphishing.org
* For more information about our policy  please contact  
support%2Bspam at bit.ly
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I  am not saying that "Mr. Waybright" sent this, or it's a "spoof".  But  
you are pre-warned to be very careful!
If you receive a link formatted  as shown.


/Steve Laifman/
/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/*  <http://www.tigersunited.com>



gswaybright at yahoo.com  wrote:
> "http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  (Edited)
>  _______________________________________________
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 24 13:24:00 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:24:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <62ee8.2893bd17.39ce51e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <902788.10945.qm@web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

its a virus going around, i got emails from folks i know at my office email
with that weird link attached.  when in doubt, NEVER click on it!  rookie
move!

--- On Fri, 9/24/10, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:


From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
To: slaifman at socal.rr.com, tigers at autox.team.net, mark at bradakis.com
Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 3:11 PM


Steve,
Archives search shows  400 hits concerning  gswaybright (Steven Waybright).
One of the more recent being in Feb  2010.
Mark


In a message dated 9/24/2010 2:47:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

Tigers,

Please pardon this lengthy WARNING, but it may help  from you getting a
really bad "stuff"

I just received the message  below through our Tiger.net.  Somehow, I
think I recognize the name  of the sender, "gswaybright", but am unable
to find any mail from him this  year.  It offered a "link" strangely
configured. 

"http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  Note, this has been edited by  substituting some
"X"s instead of the original letters.

When I  clicked on it:

I got the notice from  "Bit.ly"

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warning,  this website may harm your computer icon
Stop - there might be a problem  with the requested link

The link you requested has been identified by  bit.ly as being
potentially problematic. We have detected a link that has  been shortened
more than once, and that may be a problem  because:

* Some URL-shorteners re-use their links, so  bit.ly can't guarantee
the validity of this link.
* Some  URL-shorteners allow their links to be edited, so bit.ly
can't tell where  this link will lead you.
* Spam and malware is very often  propagated by exploiting these
loopholes, neither of which bit.ly allows  for.

The link you requested may contain inappropriate content, or even  spam
or malicious code that could be downloaded to your computer without  your
consent, or may be a forgery or imitation of another website,  designed
to trick users into sharing personal or financial  information.
Bit.ly suggests that you

* Change the  original link, and re-shorten with bit.ly
* Close your  browser window
* Notify the sender of the URL

Or,  continue at your own risk to
http://twurl.nl/uz5ml5

*  You can learn more about harmful content at www.StopBadware.org
* You can find out more about phishing from  www.antiphishing.org
* For more information about our policy  please contact 
support%2Bspam at bit.ly
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I  am not saying that "Mr. Waybright" sent this, or it's a "spoof".  But 
you are pre-warned to be very careful!
If you receive a link formatted  as shown.


/Steve Laifman/
/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/*  <http://www.tigersunited.com>



gswaybright at yahoo.com  wrote:
> "http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  (Edited)
>  _______________________________________________
>  Tigers at autox.team.net
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>  Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/slaifman at socal.rr.com
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 24 13:25:13 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:25:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <62ee8.2893bd17.39ce51e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <327116.18867.qm@web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

its a virus going around, i got emails from folks i know at my office email
with that weird link attached.  when in doubt, NEVER click on it!  rookie
move!

--- On Fri, 9/24/10, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:


From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
To: slaifman at socal.rr.com, tigers at autox.team.net, mark at bradakis.com
Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 3:11 PM


Steve,
Archives search shows  400 hits concerning  gswaybright (Steven Waybright).
One of the more recent being in Feb  2010.
Mark


In a message dated 9/24/2010 2:47:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

Tigers,

Please pardon this lengthy WARNING, but it may help  from you getting a
really bad "stuff"

I just received the message  below through our Tiger.net.  Somehow, I
think I recognize the name  of the sender, "gswaybright", but am unable
to find any mail from him this  year.  It offered a "link" strangely
configured. 

"http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  Note, this has been edited by  substituting some
"X"s instead of the original letters.

When I  clicked on it:

I got the notice from  "Bit.ly"

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warning,  this website may harm your computer icon
Stop - there might be a problem  with the requested link

The link you requested has been identified by  bit.ly as being
potentially problematic. We have detected a link that has  been shortened
more than once, and that may be a problem  because:

* Some URL-shorteners re-use their links, so  bit.ly can't guarantee
the validity of this link.
* Some  URL-shorteners allow their links to be edited, so bit.ly
can't tell where  this link will lead you.
* Spam and malware is very often  propagated by exploiting these
loopholes, neither of which bit.ly allows  for.

The link you requested may contain inappropriate content, or even  spam
or malicious code that could be downloaded to your computer without  your
consent, or may be a forgery or imitation of another website,  designed
to trick users into sharing personal or financial  information.
Bit.ly suggests that you

* Change the  original link, and re-shorten with bit.ly
* Close your  browser window
* Notify the sender of the URL

Or,  continue at your own risk to
http://twurl.nl/uz5ml5

*  You can learn more about harmful content at www.StopBadware.org
* You can find out more about phishing from  www.antiphishing.org
* For more information about our policy  please contact 
support%2Bspam at bit.ly
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I  am not saying that "Mr. Waybright" sent this, or it's a "spoof".  But 
you are pre-warned to be very careful!
If you receive a link formatted  as shown.

From cbowland at msn.com  Fri Sep 24 14:23:19 2010
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:23:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] More about Patton
Message-ID: <SNT125-DS18BC634ADF93412F96959DDB620@phx.gbl>

Here is a little additional information for those on the list who may be
un-familiar with just who Tom Patton is.

Tom is from Cincinnati, Ohio and has been a long time competitor in SCCA road
racing driving a Tiger. This year marks Tom's 27th appearance at what is
called "The Runoffs". This is where drivers from across the country have have
won enough regional races to race with others for all the marbles.

Tom has been on the podium (1st,2nd,or 3rd place finish) 7 times over the
years and was National Champion in 1999. Campaigning a Tiger against the big
money brands like Porsche, Toyota, and Nissan is a incredible challenge. Lets
hope for a strong finish for the 2010 effort by our standard bearer.

If I am not mistaken he is being assisted by fellow Tiger owner and racer
Barry Schonberger and possibly Doug Jennings. Weather has been on the wet side
and wind gusts today are 40 mph. Race time is 10:30 AM Sunday. You may be able
to view on www.SpeedcastTV.com<http://www.speedcasttv.com/> . Today the site
seems to be having some problems. I did get to see one of the races this
morning before the problem.

Enjoy,

Curt

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Fri Sep 24 14:45:10 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:45:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] upgrade to 15" rims tires
Message-ID: <4C9D0DD6.3050308@roadrunner.com>

  Although this may be a little bit off topic, I think it might be 
relevant.

I have 14-inch Panasports on my Tiger - 6-inch wide on the front and 
7-inch on the rear with absolutely no interference problems.  The key, 
as someone mentioned, is getting the correct offsets.  I got my wheels 
from Dale Akuszewski in California because I figured he knew the right 
offsets if anyone did.  It might be a good idea to pick his brain a bit 
to decide on what you want and what is possible.

The discussion of which diameter to use has been repeated numerous times 
on here and we all have our opinion, so it comes down to personal 
preference in the end.  The point about availability of tires for 13 and 
14-inch wheels has some merit and entered into my decision to go from 13 
to 14-inch.  I have Dunlops on my wheels (185/60 on the front and 195/60 
on the rear) and like them.  The ride is not any worse than the 13-inch 
tires I had and I find the handling better.  I don't think the footprint 
is significantly less than it would be for 15-inch tires and, since my 
preference is for some comfort over all-out handling, I am happy with 
the balance.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 24 15:42:59 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <4C9CF241.3050100@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <643963.54560.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     I too got a funny post..It may have had a terrible virus called
win32/Alureon.H in it..I had to reformat my hard drive to get it out..It is
hiding deep in the rootkit files..a anti virus prog will not find it..beware.
Howard

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:


From: Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>, "Mark J Bradakis"
<mark at bradakis.com>
Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 2:47 PM


Tigers,

Please pardon this lengthy WARNING, but it may help from you getting a
really bad "stuff"

I just received the message below through our Tiger.net.  Somehow, I
think I recognize the name of the sender, "gswaybright", but am unable
to find any mail from him this year.  It offered a "link" strangely
configured.

"http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  Note, this has been edited by substituting some
"X"s instead of the original letters.

When I clicked on it:

I got the notice from "Bit.ly"

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warning, this website may harm your computer icon
Stop - there might be a problem with the requested link

The link you requested has been identified by bit.ly as being
potentially problematic. We have detected a link that has been shortened
more than once, and that may be a problem because:

    * Some URL-shorteners re-use their links, so bit.ly can't guarantee
the validity of this link.
    * Some URL-shorteners allow their links to be edited, so bit.ly
can't tell where this link will lead you.
    * Spam and malware is very often propagated by exploiting these
loopholes, neither of which bit.ly allows for.

The link you requested may contain inappropriate content, or even spam
or malicious code that could be downloaded to your computer without your
consent, or may be a forgery or imitation of another website, designed
to trick users into sharing personal or financial information.
Bit.ly suggests that you

    * Change the original link, and re-shorten with bit.ly
    * Close your browser window
    * Notify the sender of the URL

Or, continue at your own risk to
http://twurl.nl/uz5ml5

    * You can learn more about harmful content at www.StopBadware.org
    * You can find out more about phishing from www.antiphishing.org
    * For more information about our policy please contact
support%2Bspam at bit.ly
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am not saying that "Mr. Waybright" sent this, or it's a "spoof".  But
you are pre-warned to be very careful!
If you receive a link formatted as shown.


/Steve Laifman/
/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



gswaybright at yahoo.com wrote:
> "http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  (Edited)
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From scattt at verizon.net  Fri Sep 24 21:01:24 2010
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:01:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks
References: <38d1d.632fb96d.39cd5a94@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B9AFCF8504734113B830AE431E432363@homef2683adebd>

Jaguarclocks.com can install a digital movement for you.
Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Landcmitch at aol.com>
To: <jliny5 at cox.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clocks


> The clock that came with my tiger, 9470574, as a dealer option in December
> 1964  is a CE3131/01;  red hands, 3 and 9 upright.
>
> Now, does anyone know who it is that repairs/ replaces movements on these
> clocks, possible a quartz movement?
>
> Charlie
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 00:21:36 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:21:36 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <643963.54560.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4C9CF241.3050100@socal.rr.com>
	<643963.54560.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPGto8y-Bm-UywupJWDqbAgfVJM00uiViozfZg@mail.gmail.com>

or use a mac and quit worrying :)

On Friday, September 24, 2010, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>      I too got a funny post..It may have had a terrible virus called
> win32/Alureon.H in it..I had to reformat my hard drive to get it out..It is
> hiding deep in the rootkit files..a anti virus prog will not find
it..beware.
> Howard
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
> To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>, "Mark J Bradakis"
> <mark at bradakis.com>
> Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 2:47 PM
>
>
> Tigers,
>
> Please pardon this lengthy WARNING, but it may help from you getting a
> really bad "stuff"
>
> I just received the message below through our Tiger.net.  Somehow, I
> think I recognize the name of the sender, "gswaybright", but am unable
> to find any mail from him this year.  It offered a "link" strangely
> configured.
>
> "http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  Note, this has been edited by substituting some
> "X"s instead of the original letters.
>
> When I clicked on it:
>
> I got the notice from "Bit.ly"
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Warning, this website may harm your computer icon
> Stop - there might be a problem with the requested link
>
> The link you requested has been identified by bit.ly as being
> potentially problematic. We have detected a link that has been shortened
> more than once, and that may be a problem because:
>
>     * Some URL-shorteners re-use their links, so bit.ly can't guarantee
> the validity of this link.
>     * Some URL-shorteners allow their links to be edited, so bit.ly
> can't tell where this link will lead you.
>     * Spam and malware is very often propagated by exploiting these
> loopholes, neither of which bit.ly allows for.
>
> The link you requested may contain inappropriate content, or even spam
> or malicious code that could be downloaded to your computer without your
> consent, or may be a forgery or imitation of another website, designed
> to trick users into sharing personal or financial information.
> Bit.ly suggests that you
>
>     * Change the original link, and re-shorten with bit.ly
>     * Close your browser window
>     * Notify the sender of the URL
>
> Or, continue at your own risk to
> http://twurl.nl/uz5ml5
>
>     * You can learn more about harmful content at www.StopBadware.org
>     * You can find out more about phishing from www.antiphishing.org
>     * For more information about our policy please contact
> support%2Bspam at bit.ly
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I am not saying that "Mr. Waybright" sent this, or it's a "spoof".  But
> you are pre-warned to be very careful!
> If you receive a link formatted as shown.
>
>
> /Steve Laifman/
> /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>
>
>
>
> gswaybright at yahoo.com wrote:
>> "http://Xit.Xy/cyXZTG"  (Edited)
>> _______________________________________________
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Sat Sep 25 00:32:51 2010
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:32:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPGto8y-Bm-UywupJWDqbAgfVJM00uiViozfZg@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <4C9CF241.3050100@socal.rr.com>
	<643963.54560.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikPGto8y-Bm-UywupJWDqbAgfVJM00uiViozfZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100925063219.3B441187659@autox.team.net>

At 02:21 AM 9/25/2010, Owain Lloyd wrote:
 >or use a mac and quit worrying :)

Do not be an ass.  If everyone was reduced to
using the brainless Mac, then the hackers would
target Macs.  Macs are only protected due to their, what, 3%?, of the market.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Sep 25 00:42:15 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
References: <4C9CF241.3050100@socal.rr.com>
	<643963.54560.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikPGto8y-Bm-UywupJWDqbAgfVJM00uiViozfZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <993728BA979544F396E892AB7ECD1E46@student2>

>>>or use a mac and quit worrying :)<<<

Or... stick it to both Bill and Steve etc.. Run free Linux on a free Pentium 
III laptop using a free wifi connection at the public library.

Don't mean to insult anyone, but why would somebody click on a strange 
looking link (especially with no supporting text) in a post titled "No 
Subject?"  Anti Virus protection starts wih the delete option.
Tom

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 00:43:14 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:43:14 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <4c9d97a0.616fe50a.4400.ffffd641SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <4C9CF241.3050100@socal.rr.com>
	<643963.54560.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikPGto8y-Bm-UywupJWDqbAgfVJM00uiViozfZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c9d97a0.616fe50a.4400.ffffd641SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_Y37o1MZKsjrqTvvyiF0hYqhUNxfdHrxW7W0_@mail.gmail.com>

some truth in that.  although they are better protected too....

On Saturday, September 25, 2010, Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net>
wrote:
> At 02:21 AM 9/25/2010, Owain Lloyd wrote:
>>or use a mac and quit worrying :)
>
> Do not be an ass.  If everyone was reduced to using the brainless Mac, then
the hackers would target Macs.  Macs are only protected due to their, what,
3%?, of the market.
>
> Marc
>
>
> msmall at aya.yale.edu
> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 25 06:22:16 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <993728BA979544F396E892AB7ECD1E46@student2>
Message-ID: <686093.98436.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good virus protection will not get the bad bug that hides in the root kit..I
talked to Microsoft for 6 hours while I was at my monitor..The bad bug is the
one that nearly killed Google in China..Norton, McAffey and Avast vouldn't do
much with it in 3 months..and the new bug is better than the old one. Even a
boot scan won't find it  .Linux or mac seem like good defenses..anything else
is like trying to defend london against the V-2 by comparisn.
     This critter even got into my bank..They had to make new bank cards for
half their customers when passwords and account numbers were heisted..
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Sat, 9/25/10, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 2:42 AM


>>> or use a mac and quit worrying :)<<<

Or... stick it to both Bill and Steve etc.. Run free Linux on a free Pentium
III laptop using a free wifi connection at the public library.

Don't mean to insult anyone, but why would somebody click on a strange looking
link (especially with no supporting text) in a post titled "No Subject?"  Anti
Virus protection starts wih the delete option.
Tom
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 25 07:36:00 2010
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:36:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay
Message-ID: <000001cb5cb6$99025020$cb06f060$@com>

F.Y.I. anyone interested in buying the Cobra 8K tach for the Paul Breuhan
treatment, there's a new one being offered on eBay for a buy-it-now price of
$100. Looks like a good deal.  Go to:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230529379210&v
iewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT


Will Seay 382001570
wseay at embarqmail.com

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 25 07:30:20 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:30:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) - WARNING?
In-Reply-To: <20100925063219.3B441187659@autox.team.net>
References: <4C9CF241.3050100@socal.rr.com>
	<643963.54560.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikPGto8y-Bm-UywupJWDqbAgfVJM00uiViozfZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100925063219.3B441187659@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <501F8495-C39B-40B0-A4EA-7E7D3E8826AB@yahoo.com>

LOL.  i just bought a mac a month ago, finally made the switch, was a hard
core windows guy, even installed windows on half of my mac so can boot it up
as a mac or as a windows machine, but use the mac side most of the time.  a
liken macs to tigers, maybe a stretch, but the all metal frame and components,
unique styling, innovative thinking, beats the plastic chinese lenovo crap etc
hands down, even if its the same processor inside....

ok, we digress from tigers, sorry....


On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:32 AM, Marc James Small wrote:

> At 02:21 AM 9/25/2010, Owain Lloyd wrote:
> >or use a mac and quit worrying :)
>
> Do not be an ass.  If everyone was reduced to
> using the brainless Mac, then the hackers would
> target Macs.  Macs are only protected due to their, what, 3%?, of the
market.
>
> Marc
>
>
> msmall at aya.yale.edu
> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
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From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 25 07:48:02 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 06:48:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] my Yahoo e-mail was hijacked
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2576.1285421896.22018.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <332906.37159.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

All,
Per previous Warnings... careful about clicking the link in an e-mail that came from my Yahoo address  (with a blank subject line). My account was somehow hijacked and someone was sending this link to everyone in my Yahoo address book, from my account. They also deleted most my sent folder.

Changing my password seems to have blocked the problem, plus Yahoo now forces me to verify most e-mails I initiate (a real pain). 

I don't know if Yahoo itself was infiltrated or if someone just figured out how to access my account, but hopefully you'll see no more junk like that from my email.

Stephen Waybright

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sat Sep 25 07:57:40 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:57:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
Message-ID: <000001cb5cb9$a119aa30$6601a8c0@Brennan>

I had to polish the plastic headlights in my 190K Subaru AGAIN a few
months back.  Right after that, I was futzing aroung in the garage and
came across my spray can of clearcoat.  Picture the little lightbulb
over my head.
 
I coated just a bit of the corner of one headlight lens with the
clearcoat, and now,  months later, it still looks pretty good, while the
rest of the lens is headed downhill again.
 
Has anybody tried this full scale basis?  Did it work?
 
Stu

From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com  Sat Sep 25 07:59:32 2010
From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:59:32 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay
Message-ID: <1de8.12e81f02.39cf5a44@aol.com>

If I remember correctly, the Cobra tach and speedo are larger in diameter  
than the Sunbeam units?
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 9/25/2010 9:36:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wseay at embarqmail.com writes:

F.Y.I.  anyone interested in buying the Cobra 8K tach for the Paul  Breuhan
treatment, there's a new one being offered on eBay for a buy-it-now  price 
of
$100. Looks like a good deal.  Go  to:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230529379210&v
iewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT


Will  Seay  382001570
wseay at embarqmail.com
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Sep 25 08:23:15 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:23:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay
In-Reply-To: <000001cb5cb6$99025020$cb06f060$@com>
References: <000001cb5cb6$99025020$cb06f060$@com>
Message-ID: <000001cb5cbd$31790460$946b0d20$@rr.com>

Wrong one.  I don't think it will work.  That is a Smiths gauge.  We used a
Autometer Cobra tach for the conversion.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Will Seay
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:36 AM
To: Tiger List Server
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay

F.Y.I. anyone interested in buying the Cobra 8K tach for the Paul Breuhan
treatment, there's a new one being offered on eBay for a buy-it-now price of
$100. Looks like a good deal.  Go to:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230529379210&v
iewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT


Will Seay 382001570
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Sep 25 11:31:45 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:31:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
In-Reply-To: <000001cb5cb9$a119aa30$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <D7AD212DC8D049D58229B0C28C85F822@ronpc1>

Stu
	Plastic headlight lenses can be sanded and polished just like paint
and there are kits on the market for this.
I have sanded and polished several headlights with very good results.

TV programs like Muscle car and Chip Foos have shown tinting lenses with
clear tinted with a bit of black.   I see no reason why you could not just
use just clear.  The real question is how badly will stone chips dig into a
clear coat finish.

Ron Fraser 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:58 AM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)


I had to polish the plastic headlights in my 190K Subaru AGAIN a few months
back.  Right after that, I was futzing aroung in the garage and came across
my spray can of clearcoat.  Picture the little lightbulb over my head.
 
I coated just a bit of the corner of one headlight lens with the clearcoat,
and now,  months later, it still looks pretty good, while the rest of the
lens is headed downhill again.
 
Has anybody tried this full scale basis?  Did it work?
 
Stu
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No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3156 - Release Date: 09/24/10
06:34:00

From barncobob at aol.com  Sat Sep 25 12:24:35 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:24:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] need info on how to remove/replace ebrake handle.
Message-ID: <8CD2AF60ABE6F82-A50-16E46@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com>

havent looked at it but any info would be helpful

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Sep 25 13:07:53 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
In-Reply-To: <D7AD212DC8D049D58229B0C28C85F822@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <2019361890.1768381.1285441673831.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Like Stu points out, you can polish them up perfect BUT, it only
lasts a short while and then they get cloudy again.
I have this problem with my wife's RX-330 Lexus.  I think originally
they did have some sort of clear coat on them...

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: 'Stu Brennan' <stubrennan at comcast.net>, Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:31:45 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)

Stu
    Plastic headlight lenses can be sanded and polished just like paint
and there are kits on the market for this.
I have sanded and polished several headlights with very good results.

TV programs like Muscle car and Chip Foos have shown tinting lenses with
clear tinted with a bit of black.   I see no reason why you could not just
use just clear.  The real question is how badly will stone chips dig into a
clear coat finish.

Ron Fraser 

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 25 13:20:17 2010
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:20:17 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] GERMAN CONNECTIONS
Message-ID: <E1OzaIV-0002jl-Ml@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The search is on.  Spread the word.  If you know of people that fit 
the bill, give a shout.

https://e6xkfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1ptKaTqf4X5Jp-ZTRuDhKA5w6sGCo12WjgtGr0y0kHRfJ14yT9GX4FFKI0kNUfLEZVkYb2y6VnHS4wk92JjzBEJ4GH0tYNxS00/dunn-request.jpg?psid=1

Norm

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 25 14:05:06 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:05:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] GERMAN CONNECTIONS
In-Reply-To: <E1OzaIV-0002jl-Ml@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1OzaIV-0002jl-Ml@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <419B7507-294A-4915-BF45-6D5340024268@yahoo.com>

is this a virus or a real link?  cant get it to work.  seems real given norms
cover note.


On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Norman C. Miller wrote:

> The search is on.  Spread the word.  If you know of people that fit the
bill, give a shout.
>
>
https://e6xkfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1ptKaTqf4X5Jp-ZTRuDhKA5w6sGCo12WjgtGr0y
0kHRfJ14yT9GX4FFKI0kNUfLEZVkYb2y6VnHS4wk92JjzBEJ4GH0tYNxS00/dunn-request.jpg?
psid=1
>
> Norm
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Sep 25 14:15:42 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:15:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
References: <2019361890.1768381.1285441673831.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <699F434BE9974C9FA08B854FA4369F67@student2>

And for the impatient and cheap toothpaste works pretty well (and has a nice 
smell).  I just use a soft cloth and circular swirls.  However, like others 
have discovered it doesn't last that long.  I tried Rain-X after polishing 
but it didn't lengthen the duration between treatments.
Tom 

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 25 14:38:35 2010
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:38:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] REVISED LINK GERMAN CONNECTIONS
Message-ID: <E1OzbW2-0007vx-NI@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Sorry for all the Mac user confusion.  I'll try a different 
approach.  As I was saying, the search is on.  Spread the word.  If 
you know of people that fit the bill, give a shout.

http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/dunns-request/dunn-request.htm


Norm

From wseay at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 25 14:42:50 2010
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:42:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay
Message-ID: <000601cb5cf2$38983010$a9c89030$@com>

Sorry, guess there's more than one 8K Cobra tach.  Didn't mean to mislead
anyone.


Will Seay_____________
wseay at embarqmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: wsamouce [mailto:wsamouce at kc.rr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:23 AM
To: 'Will Seay'; 'Tiger List Server'
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay

Wrong one.  I don't think it will work.  That is a Smiths gauge.  We used a
Autometer Cobra tach for the conversion.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Will Seay
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:36 AM
To: Tiger List Server
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay

F.Y.I. anyone interested in buying the Cobra 8K tach for the Paul Breuhan
treatment, there's a new one being offered on eBay for a buy-it-now price of
$100. Looks like a good deal.  Go to:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230529379210&v
iewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT


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From gharlowe at comcast.net  Sat Sep 25 16:10:46 2010
From: gharlowe at comcast.net (Graham Harlowe)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:10:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Interior - Rear Panels
Message-ID: <000401cb5cfe$80f80ea0$82e82be0$@net>

All -

After some years, I've finally gotten around to installing the trunk
interior panels (I have the plastic replacements from SS).  The side panels
are pretty straight-forward and actually came with "hints" for the screw
holes.  The two rear panels are secured with 6 screws each, but I have a
question about the installation - do they go underneath the trunk latch
cover (i.e. do the latch cover fasteners pass through the rear panels)?
Should the rear panels be moved the extreme outboard to avoid the latch
cover?  Do the fasteners for the trunk deck "hold downs" also pass through
the rear panels?  

Photos of proper configuration appreciated...thanks much!

Cheers!  

Graham Harlowe
B382001466

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 19:48:19 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:48:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Front Bump Stops
Message-ID: <0CE620E150B54960BED97C616966E199@OfficePC>

Hey,

 

I'm slowly putting my crossmember back together and I have discovered that I
have two different sizes of bump stops that go on the upper and lower
A-arms.  The parts manual shows different part numbers for the uppers and
lowers but I can't tell which ones are the smaller ones and which one are
the larger ones.  Do the larger ones go on the bottom A-arms?

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sat Sep 25 19:57:33 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:57:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
In-Reply-To: <2019361890.1768381.1285441673831.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb5d1e$32b3fe50$6601a8c0@Brennan>

I was wondering about an original coating, too.  On my son's Jetta, it
did look like a coating was disappearing as the lights aged.  I could
almost see a border.  Not so on my Subaru, but the lights seemed fine
until maybe 150K.  After that the frequency of polishing seems to be
increasing.  

I think I'll give it another month, and if the spot I coated with
Duplicolor clear coat still seems better, I'll spary the whole lens on
both, after polishing and cleaning.

Stu

--

Like Stu points out, you can polish them up perfect BUT, it only lasts a
short while and then they get cloudy again. I have this problem with my
wife's RX-330 Lexus.  I think originally they did have some sort of
clear coat on them...

Gary

From CMeinel464 at aol.com  Sat Sep 25 20:12:43 2010
From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:12:43 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Front Bump Stops
Message-ID: <9d997.5508e8a5.39d0061b@aol.com>

Joe,
Small ones on top large on the bottom.
Curt
Classic Sunbeam Inc.
 
 
In a message dated 9/25/2010 9:53:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jbbrown1980 at gmail.com writes:

Hey,



I'm slowly putting my crossmember back together and  I have discovered that 
I
have two different sizes of bump stops that go on  the upper and lower
A-arms.  The parts manual shows different part  numbers for the uppers and
lowers but I can't tell which ones are the  smaller ones and which one are
the larger ones.  Do the larger ones go  on the bottom A-arms?



Thanks,

Joe  Brown

Arlington,  TX

B382000217
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Sep 25 20:22:40 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:22:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay
In-Reply-To: <000601cb5cf2$38983010$a9c89030$@com>
References: <000601cb5cf2$38983010$a9c89030$@com>
Message-ID: <000801cb5d21$b2d72820$18857860$@rr.com>

No need for sorry.  It's a really good gauge that sells normally for over
$200.  A good lead.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Will Seay
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:43 PM
To: Tiger List Server
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay

Sorry, guess there's more than one 8K Cobra tach.  Didn't mean to mislead
anyone.


Will Seay_____________
wseay at embarqmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: wsamouce [mailto:wsamouce at kc.rr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:23 AM
To: 'Will Seay'; 'Tiger List Server'
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay

Wrong one.  I don't think it will work.  That is a Smiths gauge.  We used a
Autometer Cobra tach for the conversion.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Will Seay
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:36 AM
To: Tiger List Server
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra 8K Tach on eBay

F.Y.I. anyone interested in buying the Cobra 8K tach for the Paul Breuhan
treatment, there's a new one being offered on eBay for a buy-it-now price of
$100. Looks like a good deal.  Go to:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230529379210&v
iewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT


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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 26 02:08:26 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 01:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Interior - Rear Panels
In-Reply-To: <000401cb5cfe$80f80ea0$82e82be0$@net>
Message-ID: <98132.3837.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Graham,
 
I moved my rear panels outboard to clear the latch. If I remember correctly, I
had to trim them a bit to fit perfectly. I also covered the side panels with
the same Naugahyde as the interior and the trunk curtain, gives them a nice
finished look, much better than the tacky looking shiny plastic. I'll send you
pictures.
 
Gary

--- On Sat, 9/25/10, Graham Harlowe <gharlowe at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Graham Harlowe <gharlowe at comcast.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Interior - Rear Panels
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 3:10 PM


All -

After some years, I've finally gotten around to installing the trunk
interior panels (I have the plastic replacements from SS).  The side panels
are pretty straight-forward and actually came with "hints" for the screw
holes.  The two rear panels are secured with 6 screws each, but I have a
question about the installation - do they go underneath the trunk latch
cover (i.e. do the latch cover fasteners pass through the rear panels)?
Should the rear panels be moved the extreme outboard to avoid the latch
cover?  Do the fasteners for the trunk deck "hold downs" also pass through
the rear panels? 

Photos of proper configuration appreciated...thanks much!

Cheers! 

Graham Harlowe
B382001466
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 07:08:49 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:08:49 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
In-Reply-To: <000001cb5d1e$32b3fe50$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <2019361890.1768381.1285441673831.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<000001cb5d1e$32b3fe50$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinpu9AuBKWrV5PJ0Edt4_icd75qby2pVEe5Ce4c@mail.gmail.com>

new headlight lens / units are always a good way to freshen a tired
car.  why not splash out on a pair and spend your Sunday on something
more fun than polishing plastic? :)  maybe taking the tiger for a
blast?

On Sunday, September 26, 2010, Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net> wrote:
> I was wondering about an original coating, too.  On my son's Jetta, it
> did look like a coating was disappearing as the lights aged.  I could
> almost see a border.  Not so on my Subaru, but the lights seemed fine
> until maybe 150K.  After that the frequency of polishing seems to be
> increasing.
>
> I think I'll give it another month, and if the spot I coated with
> Duplicolor clear coat still seems better, I'll spary the whole lens on
> both, after polishing and cleaning.
>
> Stu
>
> --
>
> Like Stu points out, you can polish them up perfect BUT, it only lasts a
> short while and then they get cloudy again. I have this problem with my
> wife's RX-330 Lexus.  I think originally they did have some sort of
> clear coat on them...
>
> Gary
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sun Sep 26 08:14:14 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:14:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinpu9AuBKWrV5PJ0Edt4_icd75qby2pVEe5Ce4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201cb5d85$1c9213c0$6601a8c0@Brennan>

Lets see... Replacing them would be over $100US...  Two kids in
college... Uncertain employment future...  Spending a few minutes
polishing looks real good.

Stu

-----Original Message-----
From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Stu Brennan
Cc: garywinblad at comcast.net; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)


new headlight lens / units are always a good way to freshen a tired car.
why not splash out on a pair and spend your Sunday on something more fun
than polishing plastic? :)  maybe taking the tiger for a blast?

On Sunday, September 26, 2010, Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net>
wrote:
> I was wondering about an original coating, too.  On my son's Jetta, it

> did look like a coating was disappearing as the lights aged.  I could
> almost see a border.  Not so on my Subaru, but the lights seemed fine
> until maybe 150K.  After that the frequency of polishing seems to be
> increasing.
>
> I think I'll give it another month, and if the spot I coated with
> Duplicolor clear coat still seems better, I'll spary the whole lens on

> both, after polishing and cleaning.
>
> Stu
>
> --
>
> Like Stu points out, you can polish them up perfect BUT, it only lasts

> a short while and then they get cloudy again. I have this problem with

> my wife's RX-330 Lexus.  I think originally they did have some sort of

> clear coat on them...
>
> Gary
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From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Sep 26 08:21:03 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:21:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
In-Reply-To: <000201cb5d85$1c9213c0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000201cb5d85$1c9213c0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <4C9F56CF.7020509@cthompson.net>

  Headlamps for my Z4 are well over $1,000 each......

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: Stu Brennan
> Cc: garywinblad at comcast.net; Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
>
>
> new headlight lens / units are always a good way to freshen a tired car.
> why not splash out on a pair and spend your Sunday on something more fun
> than polishing plastic? :)  maybe taking the tiger for a blast?

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 26 09:00:39 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:00:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
In-Reply-To: <000201cb5d85$1c9213c0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <871381.55226.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I use Lamin X on my Crossfire lights. Head and Tail.  No chips or haze. Peel
and stick.      Gary B9472283

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)
To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:14 PM


Lets see... Replacing them would be over $100US...  Two kids in
college... Uncertain employment future...  Spending a few minutes
polishing looks real good.

Stu

-----Original Message-----
From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Stu Brennan
Cc: garywinblad at comcast.net; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights (Non tiger)


new headlight lens / units are always a good way to freshen a tired car.
why not splash out on a pair and spend your Sunday on something more fun
than polishing plastic? :)  maybe taking the tiger for a blast?

On Sunday, September 26, 2010, Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net>
wrote:
> I was wondering about an original coating, too.  On my son's Jetta, it

> did look like a coating was disappearing as the lights aged.  I could
> almost see a border.  Not so on my Subaru, but the lights seemed fine
> until maybe 150K.  After that the frequency of polishing seems to be
> increasing.
>
> I think I'll give it another month, and if the spot I coated with
> Duplicolor clear coat still seems better, I'll spary the whole lens on

> both, after polishing and cleaning.
>
> Stu
>
> --
>
> Like Stu points out, you can polish them up perfect BUT, it only lasts

> a short while and then they get cloudy again. I have this problem with

> my wife's RX-330 Lexus.  I think originally they did have some sort of

> clear coat on them...
>
> Gary
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Sun Sep 26 17:44:28 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:44:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] FW: October CAT Meeting
Message-ID: <000f01cb5dd4$c3195ba0$494c12e0$@rr.com>

From: Mike Michels [mailto:mmichels at socal.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:25 AM
To: 'Tiger at autox.team.net'
Subject: October CAT Meeting

 

Attention CAT members and friends: Our October meeting will be Saturday,
October 2 at 9 o'clock and will include a tour of the NADA Guides car
collection in Costa Mesa, CA.    NADA's (National Automobile Dealers
Association) Guides are comprehensive used car values, including the
authoritative NADA collectible car guide.   CEO Don Christy has kindly
offered the use of their facility for our meeting and a tour of his great
collection of hot rods and muscle cars, that are literally parked among the
desks of their offices.  The NADA folks will talk about how they determine
their collectible vehicle values and want to hear from groups like us. 

 

Perfect day to attend Cars and Coffee in Irvine and then head over to Costa
Mesa. If you are coming let me know so I can advise our hosts. 

 

Date/Time:        Oct 2 / 9 a.m.

Where:               NADA Guides

                             3186 "K" Airway Ave.

                             Costa Mesa, CA 92626

 

                             North of OC Airport at junction of I-405 and CA
55. 

                             Nearest major intersection: Red Hill and Baker

 

Cars and Coffee: Dawn to around 8:30 

Gateway and Irvine Center Drive,  Irvine.  

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Sep 27 07:02:15 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:02:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the
 Story, Day 4 & 5, Friday and Saturday
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC90A2E81@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
References: <4C963FCB.4080409@mayfco.com>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC90A2E81@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
Message-ID: <4CA095D7.7000507@mayfco.com>

  They were pitted just about 40 yards from us. we went over to look at 
he car and to chat. However, we were not good enough to talk to them.  
They were favored with lots of money and they literally runed up their 
noses when we menioned our Sunbeam.  We wished them well and left.  
Snobs. More money than brains club members.

mayf


On 9/27/2010 5:48 AM, Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote:
> Mayf,
> That Ferrari was an Enzo, Million dollar car, and IRRC was running in your same Class, at Speedweek and Spun at 188 MPH. You out ran them!
>
> So your Sunbeam is faster than a Ferrari!
>
>
> Mike Meierle
> #847 F/BMMP
> Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
> SCTA-BNI/ECTA
> ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:52 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 4&  5, Friday and Saturday
>
>    Basking in the glory... well, not really, lol.  But I am proud of what
> we did. Friday was a lazy day with lots of schmoozing with everybody
> because we had previously been busy.  Chatted with some Ferrari folk who
> had brought the wrecked and repaired one (which model  was that?) .
> Their wheels cost more than my entire operation, lol. They jad a killer
> tow truck for the trailer.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 18:44:20 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:44:20 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] 2010 Coronado speed festival
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4Xi2dAEWzp2eazMxKkdrmUOQdayMo_BSB1jid@mail.gmail.com>

Coronado
Some footage from Coronado Speed Festival, at 0:43 - 0:58 you see both Bucks
SCF Tiger and Tom Sakais yellow Tiger... nice going guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vty1EWBvEnA

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From bob at rjosten.com  Mon Sep 27 19:06:50 2010
From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:06:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 2010 Coronado speed festival
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin4Xi2dAEWzp2eazMxKkdrmUOQdayMo_BSB1jid@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin4Xi2dAEWzp2eazMxKkdrmUOQdayMo_BSB1jid@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinpxVi1NE_70g_01SYsSaTd0c+J2tZaNrcU7Q_O@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael, right at the end of that clip you can see a third red tiger.
We've had a very cool summer here in SoCal but I was at Coronado on Saturday
and it was broiling.

regards
Bob


On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:44 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:

> Coronado
> Some footage from Coronado Speed Festival, at 0:43 - 0:58 you see both
> Bucks
> SCF Tiger and Tom Sakais yellow Tiger... nice going guys.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vty1EWBvEnA
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King
> _______________________________________________
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Mon Sep 27 19:12:15 2010
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:12:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] headlites
Message-ID: <001601cb5eaa$308365c0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

Hi Guys,  The plastic lens are subject to UV deterioration over time,  it goes
deep into the plastic which is why it returns shortly after polishing..here's
a tip,  go to the local boat/marine supply store and get some stuff called
"303" for plastic and vynal,  they also have it for fabric,  this is a quality
UV protectant and will prolong your polish job,  and if you use it a few times
a year before they need polishing they will last a long time,  also works on
black rubber and tail lights and other stuff subject to good old UV,  Clyde

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Mon Sep 27 20:36:20 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:36:20 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 2010 Coronado speed festival
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinpxVi1NE_70g_01SYsSaTd0c+J2tZaNrcU7Q_O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin4Xi2dAEWzp2eazMxKkdrmUOQdayMo_BSB1jid@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinpxVi1NE_70g_01SYsSaTd0c+J2tZaNrcU7Q_O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5946DD0D2C44643B87237DEDAB2D906@BucksLaptop>

The red Tiger belongs to Don Saueressig. All the Tigers came through the 
event in good shape. Tom got as high as 7th place before dropping back to a 
9th place finish.

John Morton had a previous commitment so 78 year old Scooter Patrick ended a 
25 year hiatus from racing to drive our SCF Tiger. Back in the day, Scooter 
owned a car dealership that carried Rootes vehicles. He told us he could 
sell every Tiger he could get his hands on. His problem was that in  order 
to get a Tiger he'd also have to take a certain number of Alpines and Imps 
which didn't sell themselves like a Tiger did.

And thanks to Bob Josten for lending us the racing seat Scooter used. (Our 
usual seat was a bit too tight for Scooter's taste.)

bt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Josten" <bob at rjosten.com>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2010 Coronado speed festival


> Hi Michael, right at the end of that clip you can see a third red tiger.
> We've had a very cool summer here in SoCal but I was at Coronado on 
> Saturday
> and it was broiling.
>
> regards
> Bob
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:44 PM, michael king 
> <michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Coronado
>> Some footage from Coronado Speed Festival, at 0:43 - 0:58 you see both
>> Bucks
>> SCF Tiger and Tom Sakais yellow Tiger... nice going guys.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vty1EWBvEnA
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>>
>> Michael King
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tigers at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bob at rjosten.com
> _______________________________________________
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 21:56:49 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:56:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Cars and Coffee Update
Message-ID: <002201cb5f8a$589ab2d0$09d01870$@rr.com>

Cars and Coffee organizers are setting aside some parking spots for Tigers
this Saturday at the Irvine event. There should be a sign and the greeters
(world-class nice folks John and Linda Clinnard) will direct you into the
lot on the right after the entrance. John owned a Tiger at one time so he's
looking forward to seeing a good turnout. Hope to see you there. 

From alpdavegre at msn.com  Tue Sep 28 23:00:55 2010
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:00:55 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center Caps are ready
Message-ID: <BAY151-w29B457D5A7B055934A4A96DE670@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

The caps are done. I will be picking them up this Monday and sending them out
to people who have paid. For those who haven't now is the time. For those who
are on the fence I have a limited amount of extras avalible for sale.
First come first served.
Price is $25 per cap and $10 shipping for up to 5 caps. More than 5 and up to
10 will be $14 shipping. Contact me off list.

Dave Green
alpdavegre at msn.com

From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com  Wed Sep 29 07:48:36 2010
From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, T.P. (Timothy))
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:48:36 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Plastic Lenses
Message-ID: <201E5AF61F0C0D46B2638D7289CF6E05011C9D0D@NRWN080.d30.intra>

Listers,
Just thought I would share a tip on plastic. The oxidization is due to
the plastics absorption of UV ...  Polishing will result in a repeat of
the hazing in short order. One longer term solution is to clear coat the
lens with catalyzed auto motive clear after sanding the lens with 600
grit wet sandpaper or green Scotchbrite with a water and Clorox solution
to provide a mechanical bond. I have cleared the taillights and
headlights on several vehicles and the latest long term one is my sons
91 Mustang which had the taillamps cleared and it is now 8 years later
with no failure. The only drawback is that some of the detail of the
print and other markings on the plastic start to become less defined.

Clearcoat acts like sunscreen and prevent the UV rays from penetrating
the plastic lens. Works on most plastics especially the Polycarbonite
used in lenses. I used Sikkens Clearcoat ... obviously.

Best Regards,

Tim Ronak
Senior Services Consultant
AkzoNobel Coatings
23961 Via El Rocio
Mission Viejo,  CA  92691
Ph: (949) 289-3357
Fx: (425) 955-6268
EM: timothy.ronak at akzonobel.com
Personal EM: timronak at cox.net




Information contained in this email is confidential. If you received
this email in error please delete this message and inform the sender.

From rjw at wengco.com  Wed Sep 29 09:38:49 2010
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:38:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Test
Message-ID: <9710CD40E7A1FF4AA23488B1167FA34B0F84F5@weco1.wengco.com>


From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 29 15:09:42 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] off topic-Zymmer 4
Message-ID: <134667.66540.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know if we have a Zymmer on our LIST. Since the supposd virus
email was sent, which I did not open, I continue to receive an email from
zymmer4 at yahoo with no subject and a link to click on. I sent him an email
but he didn't reply. I seem to remember a zymmer but thought I would ask the
List.
thanks in advance.
TonytheTiger (Tony Lang)

From jerry.porsch at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 21:15:26 2010
From: jerry.porsch at gmail.com (Jerry Porsch)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:15:26 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Newbie
Message-ID: <AANLkTikecrAANuTHRpyvmPb5cuYsbrjP3tx+67O9XEr_@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone I'm a newbie to the site but not to Sunbeam Tigers I've owned
mine since 1971 and has gone through many changes over the years. Lastest
setup has been twin rear mount turbo's. Car gets alot of street miles and
plenty of 1/4 mile passes best so far has been 9:46@ 146.
Looking forward to the site

-- 
Jerry Porsch

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Wed Sep 29 21:46:22 2010
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:46:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Newbie
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikecrAANuTHRpyvmPb5cuYsbrjP3tx+67O9XEr_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikecrAANuTHRpyvmPb5cuYsbrjP3tx+67O9XEr_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30E26AB27F1F42DCAA18501C1247423E@owner9967ddf8c>

Jerry, welcome to the list!! You still a Street Racer?  Robin Young

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jerry Porsch
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:15 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Newbie

Hi everyone I'm a newbie to the site but not to Sunbeam Tigers I've owned
mine since 1971 and has gone through many changes over the years. Lastest
setup has been twin rear mount turbo's. Car gets alot of street miles and
plenty of 1/4 mile passes best so far has been 9:46@ 146.
Looking forward to the site

-- 
Jerry Porsch

From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Sep 30 00:40:49 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Newbie
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikecrAANuTHRpyvmPb5cuYsbrjP3tx+67O9XEr_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikecrAANuTHRpyvmPb5cuYsbrjP3tx+67O9XEr_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <838548.27646.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Welcome, and cool on the rear mounted turbos I have seen that setup on a couple 
of late model Vett's and was always interested in how it all works. Send some 
links to pics if you can and again, welcome!

Sandy




________________________________
From: Jerry Porsch <jerry.porsch at gmail.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 8:15:26 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Newbie

Hi everyone I'm a newbie to the site but not to Sunbeam Tigers I've owned
mine since 1971 and has gone through many changes over the years. Lastest
setup has been twin rear mount turbo's. Car gets alot of street miles and
plenty of 1/4 mile passes best so far has been 9:46@ 146.
Looking forward to the site

-- 
Jerry Porsch
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 30 04:44:54 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 03:44:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] off topic-Zymmer 4
In-Reply-To: <134667.66540.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43178.43214.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I am here..my puter was comprimised..delete me from this list..I am not sending e-mail..it is the puter ..delete me from this list.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tigers] off topic-Zymmer 4
To: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 5:09 PM


Does anyone know if we have a Zymmer on our LIST. Since the supposd virus
email was sent, which I did not open, I continue to receive an email from
zymmer4 at yahoo with no subject and a link to click on. I sent him an email
but he didn't reply. I seem to remember a zymmer but thought I would ask the
List.
thanks in advance.
TonytheTiger (Tony Lang)
_______________________________________________
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 05:36:32 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:36:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Newbie
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikecrAANuTHRpyvmPb5cuYsbrjP3tx+67O9XEr_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikecrAANuTHRpyvmPb5cuYsbrjP3tx+67O9XEr_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikc72E+F6HY+=bpZDZ639SEUSo8_J3vmMdfqm1f@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,

Welcome to the list.  This month we saw Larry Mayfield claim the Sunbeam
Land speed record (204.9 mph, at the Bonneville Salt Flats).  Jerry may own
the QUICKEST 1/4 mile Sunbeam.  Can anyone else on the list beat a 9.46/146
1/4 mile pass?

Definitely would like to see some photos of the rear twin turbo setup.

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448

http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Jerry Porsch <jerry.porsch at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone I'm a newbie to the site but not to Sunbeam Tigers I've owned
> mine since 1971 and has gone through many changes over the years. Lastest
> setup has been twin rear mount turbo's. Car gets alot of street miles and
> plenty of 1/4 mile passes best so far has been 9:46@ 146.
> Looking forward to the site
>
> --
> Jerry Porsch
> _______________________________________________
>
--

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 30 06:51:15 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:51:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] off topic-Zymmer 4
In-Reply-To: <43178.43214.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <43178.43214.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9848925C-1CFC-4052-9F72-676F130A1796@yahoo.com>

get norton anti virus or similar, if u dont have it



On Sep 30, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Howard gentry wrote:

> I am here..my puter was comprimised..delete me from this list..I am not
sending e-mail..it is the puter ..delete me from this list.
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Wed, 9/29/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] off topic-Zymmer 4
> To: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 5:09 PM
>
>
> Does anyone know if we have a Zymmer on our LIST. Since the supposd virus
> email was sent, which I did not open, I continue to receive an email from
> zymmer4 at yahoo with no subject and a link to click on. I sent him an
email
> but he didn't reply. I seem to remember a zymmer but thought I would ask
the
> List.
> thanks in advance.
> TonytheTiger (Tony Lang)
> _______________________________________________
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From jerry.porsch at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 18:10:17 2010
From: jerry.porsch at gmail.com (Jerry Porsch)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:10:17 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Welcome back
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinRf3a6pBq1dxBXY8SUgr__57XtX9jR16gRcZ_W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ab018.4b074aa2.39d62e16@aol.com>
	<AANLkTinRf3a6pBq1dxBXY8SUgr__57XtX9jR16gRcZ_W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-Rb4CdgiMd7B4tUmyA0Mu_FH95VOdrgQJ4fCh@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jerry Porsch <jerry.porsch at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Welcome back
To: TeamTiger21 at aol.com


Hi Barry
Yes I met you at the bash at Tiger Toms hope everything is good with you.
Did this Sumbeam start off as a Tiger because it looks like a tube chassie.
What did it run?
Since I put the turbo's on the car its been driven more in this last year
than the other 38yrs I've owned it.
New technology is great.
Take Care
Jerry

  On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM, <TeamTiger21 at aol.com> wrote:

>  Jerry welcome to the Tigers list. It has been a few years since we spent
> time in Indiana. I have heard tales over the years about your development of
> the Tiger. See attached of Mr. Woerth's Tiger in MN from the early 90's.
>
> Barry Schonberger
> 6441 Lively Lane
> Evansville, IN 47720
> (812) 464-1862w
> (812) 425-1315h
> (812) 465-7021fax
> teamtiger21 at aol.com
>



-- 
Jerry Porsch



-- 
Jerry Porsch

From jerry.porsch at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 18:10:54 2010
From: jerry.porsch at gmail.com (Jerry Porsch)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:10:54 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Newbie
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=oivQUkRhakw75Y5SXMgCjqd18dbM9CYQ6woiP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B6129019175@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<AANLkTi=oivQUkRhakw75Y5SXMgCjqd18dbM9CYQ6woiP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6+kqpAeSBQ_vPs4E=y=OEA-z-mfc0tsWZmuQ0@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jerry Porsch <jerry.porsch at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Newbie
To: "Doornbos, Daniel" <daniel.doornbos at intel.com>


Hi Dan
Yes its green and I'm glad to hear people have been following the on going
project. I'm sorry I don't remember you in Albq. its a bitch getting old and
they say the memory goes first because I can't remember what went second.
That last two years the car went through a major change and some high tech
stuff from the younger guys yhst help out a old man.
The twin turbo's and fuel injection has been the neatest thing I have done
to the car and never thought it would ever run 9'40's @ 146 and still be a
joy to drive one the street.
Some day I'll try and post some pics.
Jerry

  On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Doornbos, Daniel <
daniel.doornbos at intel.com> wrote:

>  Hey Jerry
>
> If I remember correctly and am not confused here is what I think I know.
>
> Since you havent been on the list you wouldnt know about this but there
> have been links sent out in the past of your cars set up.  Its green
> right?
>
> Also Jerry you are in Abq NM right?  I stopped in the shop you work out of
> a few years back on my bike dressed in my silly bike clothes.  We are in
> opposite camps, Ive been on this list for better than 15 years and have
> never driven my tiger (still a waiting project).  Youve only just joined
> the list but been driving your tiger for a long time.
>
> Welcome
> dan
>
>



--
Jerry Porsch



--
Jerry Porsch

From jerry.porsch at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 18:11:36 2010
From: jerry.porsch at gmail.com (Jerry Porsch)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  Newbie
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=k7XpVHp=ojQPEpwu842b90K64DrJYynZ27yEc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikecrAANuTHRpyvmPb5cuYsbrjP3tx+67O9XEr_@mail.gmail.com>
	<12542.22994.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=k7XpVHp=ojQPEpwu842b90K64DrJYynZ27yEc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinRzjTJxKD+Hdcw_t24NeP4EEfjqA7WjtMwbZdw@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jerry Porsch <jerry.porsch at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Newbie
To: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>


Tony sorry to hear about your med. problems your way to young for them may
god bless you with your dreams.
I bought my Tiger in 1971 when I turned 21 so if you do the math I've got
you by a few years LOL.
I live in Las Cruces NM now but have live on the west coast and up and down
the east coast but really enjoy the dry weather even though it gets hot here
but winters are great and its a small town and not much traffic.
I really feel blessed that my health has held out pretty good for what I put
it through when I was younger.
When I learn to post up some pics of the car I will.
There are some video's on You tube under "Jerry's Twin Turbo Tiger"
Take care and God Bless
Jerry

  On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Great time Jerry. Welcome. Im Tony Lang or TonytheTiger. Im 57, live in
> southern IL. bought my first Mk1A in 1972 and have had several over the
> years. Im disabled- bad back, then a serious heart attack, so I dont knoww
> if I will ever be able to afford to have a real go fast Tiger but I do have
> a nice ca. shell and all the parts and a nice driver and an Alger that I
> would have restored if I had known prices where going to escalate so high-
> instad I have an Alger in primer with no Tiger parts on it but I have them
> all. If God allows and winning the lottery would help, I will one day make
> something Beam wise go very fast but it is expensive as Im sure you will
> testify. Welcome again.
> Dont be shy, Im sure you have knowledge we all enjoy hearing about and many
> guys ask questions. You can respond to the LIST or privately, like this
> message. Eveeryone else knows my history, so I didnt want to bore them
> again.
> Would love to see your car run BUT since I live in the midwest, there just
> arent to many Tigers and odds are you are in Ca. or out east. Doesnt matter.
> Im glad you joined. Evveryone is pretty good people and more than glad to
> help.
> regards, TtT (Tony Lang)
>
> --- On *Wed, 9/29/10, Jerry Porsch <jerry.porsch at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jerry Porsch <jerry.porsch at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Newbie
>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 10:15 PM
>
>   Hi everyone I'm a newbie to the site but not to Sunbeam Tigers I've
> owned
> mine since 1971 and has gone through many changes over the years. Lastest
> setup has been twin rear mount turbo's. Car gets alot of street miles and
> plenty of 1/4 mile passes best so far has been 9:46@ 146.
> Looking forward to the site
>
> --
> Jerry Porsch
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