From jliny5 at cox.net  Sat Oct  2 13:47:47 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:47:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheels
In-Reply-To: <4c935d2a.6483.0@thecia.net>
References: <4c935d2a.6483.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <CA16E57BE3B144D78812462A77F59A87@JPC>

I do not mean to hijack Peter's listing, but I am slso interested in 
upgrading my steering wheel from the black plastic wheel currently in my 
Mk1. Ideally, I am interested in an original steering wheel, but a period 
correct aftermarket one might also fit the bill. I saw Rande's 
recommendation about the Nardi wheels.

Does anybody have an original Mk1 steering wheel for sale or know where to 
get one.

I have of course looked at ebay and will continue to do so.

Thx,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheels


> I've already sent Peter a copy of this with a enclosure of a Tiger 
> interior(fellow
> listers let me know individually if you need me to send a picture), but...
>
> Peter mentioned that he might be interested in a period correct 
> aftermarket
> steering wheel, and to me, that's spelled NARDI. Those of you around 
> during
> the 1960's remember that Ferrari installed Nardi wheels as standard 
> equipment,
> and catalogues for stores like Vilem Haan(Beverly Hills) and MG 
> Mitten(Pasadena)
> sold Nardi wheels for aftermarket applications like Porsche and 
> Alpine/Tiger.
>
> The photo I sent was of Emily Vasso's black Mark I(the car with the 
> original
> tan interior) when it was shown at the park in Santa Rosa during the 
> United
> this year. As I wrote Peter, in a United with several A-grade interiors, 
> Emily's
> car, to me, is an A-plus. You can bet that when my car gets to the point 
> where
> I'm finishing the interior, there WILL be a Nardi wheel on it.
>
> RB
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 17:31:48 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:31:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheels
In-Reply-To: <CA16E57BE3B144D78812462A77F59A87@JPC>
References: <4c935d2a.6483.0@thecia.net> <CA16E57BE3B144D78812462A77F59A87@JPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=y2QVrqgAMnJb9yH9j4tqsY+uKjKThseVmROCu@mail.gmail.com>

Bring money. Lots of money. Original wood wheels do show up, but they are
not cheap. And be prepared to be disappointed; the condition described and
the condition received may not be the same unless one of our guys here is
restoring / re-manufacturing them.

A 14" wheel, to me, looks much better than a 15" wheel. Nardi is good, so is
Moto Lita, who have a hub that will accommodate the adjustable steering
wheel on the Tiger. (I have no idea if Nardi does that, but suspect they
do.)

Tom

' 67 Mark 2 being reborn.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:47 PM, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

> I do not mean to hijack Peter's listing, but I am slso interested in
> upgrading my steering wheel from the black plastic wheel currently in my
> Mk1. Ideally, I am interested in an original steering wheel, but a period
> correct aftermarket one might also fit the bill. I saw Rande's
> recommendation about the Nardi wheels.
>
> Does anybody have an original Mk1 steering wheel for sale or know where to
> get one.
>
> I have of course looked at ebay and will continue to do so.
>
> Thx,
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheels
>
>
>  I've already sent Peter a copy of this with a enclosure of a Tiger
>> interior(fellow
>> listers let me know individually if you need me to send a picture), but...
>>
>> Peter mentioned that he might be interested in a period correct
>> aftermarket
>> steering wheel, and to me, that's spelled NARDI. Those of you around
>> during
>> the 1960's remember that Ferrari installed Nardi wheels as standard
>> equipment,
>> and catalogues for stores like Vilem Haan(Beverly Hills) and MG
>> Mitten(Pasadena)
>> sold Nardi wheels for aftermarket applications like Porsche and
>> Alpine/Tiger.
>>
>> The photo I sent was of Emily Vasso's black Mark I(the car with the
>> original
>> tan interior) when it was shown at the park in Santa Rosa during the
>> United
>> this year. As I wrote Peter, in a United with several A-grade interiors,
>> Emily's
>> car, to me, is an A-plus. You can bet that when my car gets to the point
>> where
>> I'm finishing the interior, there WILL be a Nardi wheel on it.
>>
>> RB
>> _______________________________________________
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From allanballard at att.net  Sat Oct  2 17:39:53 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:39:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheels
In-Reply-To: <CA16E57BE3B144D78812462A77F59A87@JPC>
References: <4c935d2a.6483.0@thecia.net> <CA16E57BE3B144D78812462A77F59A87@JPC>
Message-ID: <91928774-35D3-41AD-9C7E-85FF32948CB0@att.net>

I have one in pieces--the wood fell off while the car was in storage for
decades. I believe all the
wood is present and the wheel is awaiting restoration.

Allan Ballard

On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:47 PM, James Lindner wrote:

> I do not mean to hijack Peter's listing, but I am slso interested in
upgrading my steering wheel from the black plastic wheel currently in my Mk1.
Ideally, I am interested in an original steering wheel, but a period correct
aftermarket one might also fit the bill. I saw Rande's recommendation about
the Nardi wheels.
>
> Does anybody have an original Mk1 steering wheel for sale or know where to
get one.
>
> I have of course looked at ebay and will continue to do so.
>
> Thx,
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheels
>
>
>> I've already sent Peter a copy of this with a enclosure of a Tiger
interior(fellow
>> listers let me know individually if you need me to send a picture), but...
>>
>> Peter mentioned that he might be interested in a period correct
aftermarket
>> steering wheel, and to me, that's spelled NARDI. Those of you around
during
>> the 1960's remember that Ferrari installed Nardi wheels as standard
equipment,
>> and catalogues for stores like Vilem Haan(Beverly Hills) and MG
Mitten(Pasadena)
>> sold Nardi wheels for aftermarket applications like Porsche and
Alpine/Tiger.
>>
>> The photo I sent was of Emily Vasso's black Mark I(the car with the
original
>> tan interior) when it was shown at the park in Santa Rosa during the
United
>> this year. As I wrote Peter, in a United with several A-grade interiors,
Emily's
>> car, to me, is an A-plus. You can bet that when my car gets to the point
where
>> I'm finishing the interior, there WILL be a Nardi wheel on it.
>>
>> RB
>> _______________________________________________
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From tcprager at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  3 07:42:49 2010
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:42:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel restoration
Message-ID: <SNT111-DS18350788CD7C612D958FFDCB6B0@phx.gbl>

Dear Jim,

  Here is a idea for you: For your existing plastic wheel consider a specialty
steering wheel restorer. They could remove the plastic and replace with
mahogany wood and black epoxy to duplicate the wooden wheel you want. It might
take some time to complete the project so you would have to install a cheap
substitute/interim wheel such as one from Grant. I found the Lempert Wheels
web site that offers such a restoration service. 843 856-7542

tom

http://www.pbase.com/mdlempert/wheels<http://www.pbase.com/mdlempert/wheels>

From tym2 at comcast.net  Sun Oct  3 09:57:33 2010
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 15:57:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger Related
In-Reply-To: <EC8B12B3E93B4E3CB0E3DFE1E37DCC5A@Dimension5150>
Message-ID: <1343723445.794679.1286121453492.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Non Tiger Related, but very cool. 

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd]

From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Sun Oct  3 11:58:26 2010
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:58:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants
Message-ID: <000001cb6324$949d9980$bdd8cc80$@cox.net>

Time to change the trans and diff oil.  I have a stock MKII, what would you
recommend for oils. Last time I used 80W90 gear oil.

Somewhere I think I read not to use a GL5 spec?

Also, sometimes it is difficult to get into 1st  when taking off from a
stoplight, and sometimes it will slip out of 3rd 

when decelerating.

 

Thanks for the advice

Rich

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Sun Oct  3 12:05:02 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:05:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants
In-Reply-To: <000001cb6324$949d9980$bdd8cc80$@cox.net>
References: <000001cb6324$949d9980$bdd8cc80$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <11bd01cb6325$808e72b0$81ab5810$@rr.com>

May be some internal issues, such as worn dog ring on 3rd gear. I switched
from 75-90 mineral to 75-90 synthetic (Mobil 1) and found that the
transmission shifts smoother, especially when cold. Before, 3rd would have a
slight "catch" feeling going in from 2nd  until fully warmed up. All that
went away with the synthetic. But as they say, your experience may differ. 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 10:58 AM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants

Time to change the trans and diff oil.  I have a stock MKII, what would you
recommend for oils. Last time I used 80W90 gear oil.

Somewhere I think I read not to use a GL5 spec?

Also, sometimes it is difficult to get into 1st  when taking off from a
stoplight, and sometimes it will slip out of 3rd 

when decelerating.

 

Thanks for the advice

Rich
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From gleibert185 at comcast.net  Sun Oct  3 12:22:35 2010
From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:22:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants
In-Reply-To: <000001cb6324$949d9980$bdd8cc80$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <D29DBFF8C0684A289670F91989F0AA51@mylaptop>

Rich,

You may have a bad Pilot bearing for the shifting problems.

I had an F150 that the same shifting problems you described.  After
rebuilding the clutch & replacing the pilot bearing that was almost
non-existent, they all went away.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:58 PM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants

Time to change the trans and diff oil.  I have a stock MKII, what would you
recommend for oils. Last time I used 80W90 gear oil.

Somewhere I think I read not to use a GL5 spec?

Also, sometimes it is difficult to get into 1st  when taking off from a
stoplight, and sometimes it will slip out of 3rd 

when decelerating.

 

Thanks for the advice

Rich
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From sunbeams at sc.rr.com  Sun Oct  3 12:32:45 2010
From: sunbeams at sc.rr.com (Eric Gibeaut)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:32:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Steering wheels
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1286128803.9497.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15.1286128803.9497.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002101cb6329$5f7f0540$1e7d0fc0$@rr.com>

I have had a very recent and bad experience with Lempert Wheels located in
South Carolina and I do NOT recommend him.  Several other Sunbeam as well as
other British car owners that I have met have had problems with this
business as well.  I will be happy to share info off list. Eric 

From jeff.eakin at comcast.net  Sun Oct  3 14:07:55 2010
From: jeff.eakin at comcast.net (Jeff Eakin)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:07:55 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheels
Message-ID: <C8CE3EBB.1E8E%jeff.eakin@comcast.net>

There is a guy in our club C.A.T.O. (Colorado Assn of Tiger Owners) who has
been making beautiful Tiger/Alpine steering wheels from the originals. They
come with a new hub which always cracks. I forget exactly what he charges
but they aren't overly expensive. I have two Tigers and have them on both.
They are better than new and extremely nice. He has some in stock now. Give
him a call: Ken Corbin 303 364-5787. (no email) Or you can contact me.
   ~ ~ ~ 
Jeff Eakin
Pres. Colorado Assn. of Tiger Owners (C.A.T.O)
1142 S. Clayton St.
Denver, CO  80210
(303) 733-1211 (H)
(303) 903-2386 (Cell)
Jeff.eakin at comcast.net

From alpdavegre at msn.com  Sun Oct  3 14:45:46 2010
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:45:46 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Steering wheels
Message-ID: <BAY151-w3413817E86612D9BBDA14BDE6B0@phx.gbl>

Guys,

Check with Ken Corbin in Colorado. He is recasting hub centers, doing original
wood rim and also custom steering wheels for Tigers and Alpines. He has done a
few of my wheels and jobs are excellent! His number is 303-364-5787.
Dave Green
13 Alpines, 2 Mk 1 Tigers

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun Oct  3 19:54:21 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:54:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bmorris=5Fmotors=5D_Fw=3AVizard_and_K?=
	=?utf-8?q?_=26_N?=
Message-ID: <20101004015329.0D0B0187666@autox.team.net>

Enjoy the lecture..

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Forwarded message -----
From: "uniquelittlecars" <uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 3, 2010 19:56
Subject: [morris_motors] Fw:Vizard and K & N
To: "Morris Motors" <morris_motors at yahoogroups.com>


This came from a different group.B 
B 
It contains information that applies to A series motors
B 
I always thought i knew how K & N filters worked.
B 
It took Vizard years of flowB testingB to figureB out why they worked so well.
B 
Check out the link below for his conclusion....very interesting....15 min video
B 
Vigil
:





Vizard. .B  in the video that I sent, said that he did not, at first,
understand why K & N filters were so effective.B  He says that he originally
thought that the filters were creating a static charge until later on coming
up with an understanding that the filters work so well because of vibration
across the filter surface.B  I found his research into the whole matter very
interesting as well as surprising.

Here is Vizard's lecture once again on You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BZg6aCGd8&feature=related


Vigil
So Cal

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct  3 20:41:07 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:41:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants
References: <000001cb6324$949d9980$bdd8cc80$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <FE9B72D837FE44CB8D27F4B9E61AE6F3@yourze8cxvr8tt>

      i was told several years ago while at an oil company training school 
that the problem with using conventional 80/90 in a trans is that if you 
have any yellow metals for syncros the sulphur / phosphorus compound used 
for the antiwear additive will start corrosion of the metals that can not be 
reversed. that means the syncros go bad. being an alpine owner ,i'm not sure 
of what is in the tiger trans. this might be the problem. i do know that the 
oil to be used in an alpine trans is conventional motor oil. the 
conventional 80/90 is used in the rear end. on another note, while at a 
shell meeting recently, i asked one of their tech engineers about rotella 
15/40 and was told that it still has 1200 ppm of zddp. this means no 
additives needed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard" <rcsphx1 at cox.net>
To: "Tiger List" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:58 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants


> Time to change the trans and diff oil.  I have a stock MKII, what would 
> you
> recommend for oils. Last time I used 80W90 gear oil.
>
> Somewhere I think I read not to use a GL5 spec?
>
> Also, sometimes it is difficult to get into 1st  when taking off from a
> stoplight, and sometimes it will slip out of 3rd
>
> when decelerating.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the advice
>
> Rich
> _______________________________________________
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Oct  3 21:38:26 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:38:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants
References: <000001cb6324$949d9980$bdd8cc80$@cox.net>
	<FE9B72D837FE44CB8D27F4B9E61AE6F3@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <6FB7A22AF75C4DE0839918C2CABE3F9E@student2>

>>>i asked one of their tech engineers about rotella 15/40 and was told that 
>>>it still has 1200 ppm of zddp. this means no additives needed<<<

That is good news!!!

 FYI, some here run a T-5. My '88 Turbo Coupe ran ATF.  However, I have a 
Chilton's manual that says if it gets noisy to to run a 50/50 mixture of ATF 
and 90wt. A friend of mine following Pete Brock preparation methods ran 
50/50 ATF - 90 wt in his Datsun 510. 35+ years later the tranny is still 
good. I know at some point the T-5 went to some type of fiber based syncro 
(whatever that is). I think the GM based T-5's got this later. Not sure if 
the syncro or world class designation changed lubrication needs for a T-5.
Tom 

From dsp781 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  4 00:26:49 2010
From: dsp781 at hotmail.com (Dexter Polistock)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 02:26:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 67 MK II Sales Pamphlet
Message-ID: <BAY157-w222CCC5E4FD3478482522A966C0@phx.gbl>

Does anyone have pictures of the Sunbeam Tiger '67 MK II pamphlet published by
Rootes of Canada?

I would be most interested in have these sent to my e-mail;
dsp781 at hotmail.com

Thanks to all - - Dexter  B382100153LRXFE

From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 17:35:11 2010
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:35:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Off topic.... Army Jeep video
Message-ID: <AANLkTinx2ioTc8EoCWKMmDpzGxkBPWwch8zYGn5mUShn@mail.gmail.com>

http://codesketch.com/2010/09/this-is-engineering-army-jeep-torn-apart-and-reassembled-in-4-minutes/

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Oct  4 21:18:12 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:18:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II #135 for sale
Message-ID: <4caa98f4.186a.0@thecia.net>

The survivor Tiger Mark II (B3821000135LRXFE) that in the last eight years moved
from Salt Lake City to a British used car sales and service dealership in San
Luis Obispo under consignment, to a classic car dealership in Wisconsin(bought
for $59,000) is now listed for sale for  $125,000. And, the dealer writes that
he will take it off the market if he sell another of his cars first. Here's
a link:

www.colinsclassicauto.com/detail.php?car=358

Lot's of good photos, and for those folks restoring their own Mark II's, another
chance to download photos before/if the car sells.

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 21:33:22 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:33:22 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II #135 for sale
Message-ID: <4fda8.16f7124.39dbf682@aol.com>

Pretty amazing...from all perspectives. $125,000 in the current collector  
car environment would certainly be noteworthy!
 
Beautiful car.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2010 8:27:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rande at thecia.net writes:

www.colinsclassicauto.com/detail.php?car=358

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Oct  4 21:42:02 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:42:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Recommended Lubricants
In-Reply-To: <FE9B72D837FE44CB8D27F4B9E61AE6F3@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <000001cb6324$949d9980$bdd8cc80$@cox.net>
	<FE9B72D837FE44CB8D27F4B9E61AE6F3@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <956594.69679.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Late to this but I have been running Diesel oil in the race car and have just
started using Shell Rotella 15/40 T6 Synthetic as a replacement for the
expensive Royal Purple Racing Synthetic and non-synthetic Diesel I would often
run. 


I did a bunch of checking on the web looking for the Blackstone (sp)
Oil 
analysis reports for people that were using it and found a few Non-diesel
folks 
running it in Turbo and N/A engines with very favorable results (Low
metallic 
components charistic of engine wear of the analyzed oil). 


It was
also mentioned that the Rotella T6 Synthetic was not a new formula at all 
but
the old formula in a new bottle, which is fine since it was also a top rated
oil. I thin I paid something like 25 bucks  (6.25 a qt) at the Autozone for a
gallon jug. The Royal Purple was in the 13 bucks a quart range for the XPR
Racing, and 8 Buck range for regular synthetic. I have a 9.5qt pan in the
Mustang and an oil change was getting expensive with Royal Purple XPR. One
thing 
to note that that the Rotella is a type 3 or maybe blend of type 3/4
syntetic 
and royal purple is a type 4. What does that all mean? It has to do
with how the 
oil is made and I looked and read about it and came to the
conclusion that it 
really doesn't matter to me so I'll give the Rotella T6 a
run. Likely if the 
motor blows it will NOT be due to the motor oil...

Too
much Coffee today as you might guess ;)

Sandy
________________________________

.... i asked one of their tech engineers
about rotella 15/40 and was told that 
it still has 1200 ppm of zddp. this
means no additives needed

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 22:22:54 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:22:54 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II #135 for sale
In-Reply-To: <4fda8.16f7124.39dbf682@aol.com>
References: <4fda8.16f7124.39dbf682@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+orbhBu0roQUtAS0ptxuo32aR6E+CMT1fDgA9@mail.gmail.com>

IIRC thi car was available a few years back.. seems it has appreciated in
value too.. last time was about 75K i think..

that said.. gime gime gime gime...

On 5 October 2010 14:33, <MWood24020 at aol.com> wrote:

> Pretty amazing...from all perspectives. $125,000 in the current collector
> car environment would certainly be noteworthy!
>
> Beautiful car.
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/4/2010 8:27:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rande at thecia.net writes:
>
> www.colinsclassicauto.com/detail.php?car=358
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From cjcoffel at sonic.net  Tue Oct  5 00:14:02 2010
From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II #135 for sale
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=+orbhBu0roQUtAS0ptxuo32aR6E+CMT1fDgA9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fda8.16f7124.39dbf682@aol.com>
	<AANLkTi=+orbhBu0roQUtAS0ptxuo32aR6E+CMT1fDgA9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9667.76.191.205.210.1286259242.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>

A few thoughs cross my mind reading this stuff about the 125k
Tiger.

I went SAAC 35 and this guy was there with his
cars. He was selling his book about what he thinks about classic cars, and
he would sign it for a mere 45.00. I was thinking about it but got
a vibe about  the guy that was less than positive. I
then picked up the book and read a review about a car. It
was obviously written by a car dealer who's been dealing cars
from the age of fourteen and didn't finish his education. He should
have written it in crayon. This guys signature or Pete
Brocks............................let me think.........


I
don't know what disturbs me more, this guy, or someone who would pay 125k
for an unrestored Tiger.

They had a 289 Cobra fresh
out of a barn there for 600k. What do you do with it if you buy it? I
guess you do what the guy who owns it did. You take it places and show it
to others so you can feel better about yourself and forget about your
three ex wives and your kids that hate you........................

Someone there had a 66 Shelby Hertz for 219k that was missing
parts. No....really...

The good news:

Pete Brock is
a fantastic guy.

So is Hank Williams (Green 289 Cobra)

And everyone at the Shelby
trailer..............................especially Robert Lane

Oh
yeah, also, the new stuff blows away all the old stuff on the track. The
new Coyote motor is mean..........................



I have pictures if anyone would like to see them.

Chris



















































 IIRC thi car was available a few years back..
seems it has appreciated in 
> value too.. last time was about 75K
i think.. 
> 
> that said.. gime gime gime gime... 
> 
> On 5 October 2010 14:33, <MWood24020 at aol.com>
wrote: 
> 
>> Pretty amazing...from all perspectives.
$125,000 in the current 
>> collector 
>> car
environment would certainly be noteworthy! 
>> 
>>
Beautiful car. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>

>> In a message dated 10/4/2010 8:27:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight
Time, 
>> rande at thecia.net writes: 
>> 
>> www.colinsclassicauto.com/detail.php?car=358 
>>
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>>
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>
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> 
> Michael King 
>
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 00:46:24 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:46:24 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II #135 for sale
In-Reply-To: <9667.76.191.205.210.1286259242.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
References: <4fda8.16f7124.39dbf682@aol.com>
	<AANLkTi=+orbhBu0roQUtAS0ptxuo32aR6E+CMT1fDgA9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9667.76.191.205.210.1286259242.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=gJ1YxyFQ9XDqO48tZ516EhP-_fqVWPxeEoWzq@mail.gmail.com>

> I don't know what disturbs me more, this guy, or someone who would pay 125k
> for an unrestored Tiger.
>
> They had a 289 Cobra fresh out of a barn there for 600k. What do you do
> with it if you buy it? I guess you do what the guy who owns it did. You take
> it places and show it to others so you can feel better about yourself and
> forget about your three ex wives and your kids that hate
> you........................
>
>
>
> I have pictures if anyone would like to see them.
>
> Chris


Chris.. i kind of get where you are coming from.. but survivor cars are
special, and as we know things are only original once. It s a great
responsibility to own a car thats low milage as in some ways you are not
keeping it to make yourself feel better, but to hold on to show to others
what they are like when new. It would take great restraint to own one and
ultimately they are hopefully entrusted to people who appreciate the cars
for what they are and use them in a manner that maintains their state.

A great example is John Boggis in the Uk.. his auto alpine is something
else:

http://www.sunbeam-alpine.com

it wuld be a shame to the sunbeam community if someone modified it, drove it
into the ground or even restored it.. as is it gives us all a great window
into the past.


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  5 04:35:55 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:35:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II #135 for sale
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=gJ1YxyFQ9XDqO48tZ516EhP-_fqVWPxeEoWzq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <630675.98382.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a survivor car that I keep original as that is my duty. I use it
lightly and  employ, Mobil1,  Dot 5 and Waxoyl.   I am now doing the same with
an SRT6 Cross fire roadster. All mods reversible.   Gary  B9472283

--- On Tue, 10/5/10, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:


From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II #135 for sale
To: cjcoffel at sonic.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 6:46 AM


> I don't know what disturbs me more, this guy, or someone who would pay 125k
> for an unrestored Tiger.
>
> They had a 289 Cobra fresh out of a barn there for 600k. What do you do
> with it if you buy it? I guess you do what the guy who owns it did. You
take
> it places and show it to others so you can feel better about yourself and
> forget about your three ex wives and your kids that hate
> you........................
>
>
>
> I have pictures if anyone would like to see them.
>
> Chris


Chris.. i kind of get where you are coming from.. but survivor cars are
special, and as we know things are only original once. It s a great
responsibility to own a car thats low milage as in some ways you are not
keeping it to make yourself feel better, but to hold on to show to others
what they are like when new. It would take great restraint to own one and
ultimately they are hopefully entrusted to people who appreciate the cars
for what they are and use them in a manner that maintains their state.

A great example is John Boggis in the Uk.. his auto alpine is something
else:

http://www.sunbeam-alpine.com

it wuld be a shame to the sunbeam community if someone modified it, drove it
into the ground or even restored it.. as is it gives us all a great window
into the past.


--
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Michael King
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From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com  Tue Oct  5 12:21:20 2010
From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mk II #135 for sale
Message-ID: <BE9A6B7946F78D4E8731D948F4A146E614D17937@exchhou02.Publicans.com>

Chris is right on the money here . . . Bad vibe .. . bad vibe . . .I
have seen this guy on TV and he represents much of what people who
really love cars think has been wrong with the collector car market over
the last few decades.   There is a point at which "selling" becomes
"pimping."  He had some cars on some of the Speed TV shows, and I hope
he paid them for advertising, because that was all it was.  I guess it
works out for them, because they get a car to "test" and he gets to be a
"recognized" expert, instead of merely a self-proclaimed one . . .



No doubt this car is nice, but just because he owns it doesn't make it
worth twice market . . .



John

From rande at thecia.net  Tue Oct  5 18:03:27 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:03:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MK II #135
Message-ID: <4cabbccf.2196.0@thecia.net>

Boy, Chris, if I take your word for everything you posted about our dealer friend
in Wisconsin with the survivor Mark II, he's ripe for a Cher-slap, and admonition,
"Snap Out of It". I mean, $45 for an autograph, from who?. Somewhere in Milwaukee
is a parallel universe with some nice cars sold by a dealer who walks several
inches off the ground. By that, I ONLY mean he's a bit out of touch with the
market.

I suppose the charitable view is that if one is going to sink $125,000 into
purchasing a Mark II, there are certainly worse examples than this gentlemans
car.

My gut feeling is that whoever is bankrolling this gentlemans cars for him is
pressuring him to move some iron. Ask Barrett-Jackson what the market for Cobra
289's is. It's not 600K, in the last six months it's been closer to a range
of 425-450K, and these happen to be gems. Unless his Cobra was once owned by
Shelby, or Cosby, or McQueen, or similar dignitary, it's hard to image someone
in that market wanting to pay a 150K surcharge above current auction rates.
They're likely to wait for the next auction.

I am siding with Michael on the value of nice survivor Tigers versus fully restored
ones, and I've come to this view lately after seeing the difference. When you're
building your car, and the paint finish on the car you're basing your project
on is not from Dale's shop, the interior is not from Pro-Prep, everything is
from Sunbeam, it's really a more accurate picture of how the car was put together,
and it not a reflection of either Dales or Pro-Preps quality work.

From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  6 08:10:35 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 07:10:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Arm Needed
Message-ID: <617132.49139.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In the process of rebuilding front crossmember, and need a right steering arm
for a 1966 MK1A.  My existing arm was welded/repaired and would like to
replace.  Please contact me off list if you have one available.
jmartiniii at yahoo.com 

Thank You
Joel Martin

From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  6 08:56:53 2010
From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:56:53 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Surviviors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1286301602.27364.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.19.1286301602.27364.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w1691CA08C39D0D5C6D20C6DB6E0@phx.gbl>

Hi All:
Talking of  survivors . . . I have been privileged to see a survivor TIGER
that has less than 10,000 miles on it. The owner bought it new, drove it for
one summer and then parked it in his dads garage while he went to Europe for
a year. He got married there and never returned for 20 years. When he came
back he took over his dads house and just left the car in the corner of the
garage. It is a MK1 (plastic dash) time machine. The paint has not burned off
of the exhaust all the way back to the mufflers. I asked if I could open the
trunk and he said: Sure . . . it has not been opened since the 1960s.
Incredible! He does start the car from time to time and drive it up and down
the driveway. He has little interest in the TIGER except that it was his first
new car. It is not for sale and in order to see it I was required to give my
word that I would not reveal where it is located and could not take pictures.
There are sure some strange ducks in the pond!
I left my card in the glove cubby with the note: Call me before you sell 
just in case.

Godspeed in Safety Fast
Jc

From tigger at missiongranite.com  Thu Oct  7 09:21:13 2010
From: tigger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:21:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Help!
Message-ID: <000c01cb6633$47c41870$0200000a@wearezs.com>

The machine shop is not answering his phone so I am turning to all of you
for some help.  I'm getting ready (or was) to fire up the 289.  I pressured
up the oil - no leaks.  Started to fill the cooling system and had a leak
out of the block.  It is on the drivers side, rear third.  It is small and
feels threaded.  Can anyone tell me if it is a freeze plug or a threaded
hole.  And if threaded, what size it is?

Thanks.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct  7 11:27:37 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:27:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Help!
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb6633$47c41870$0200000a@wearezs.com>
Message-ID: <E727D16F1ADA4C96A96594A97CFBBAD8@ronpc1>

Alan
	All the freeze plugs are smooth unless you have a Boss 302 block
which has threaded freeze plugs.

There is a small threaded plug in that area.   I believe it is a coolant
drain plug.

It should have a hex end on it so you can tighten it or maybe it needs some
sealant too.

Should be a 1/4" pipe thread but I'm not sure and I don't see a listing or a
part number for it.

That plug is shown in the Shop Manual; Section A, page 3, Fig 1.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Alan Zeni
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:21 AM
To: tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Help!


The machine shop is not answering his phone so I am turning to all of you
for some help.  I'm getting ready (or was) to fire up the 289.  I pressured
up the oil - no leaks.  Started to fill the cooling system and had a leak
out of the block.  It is on the drivers side, rear third.  It is small and
feels threaded.  Can anyone tell me if it is a freeze plug or a threaded
hole.  And if threaded, what size it is?

Thanks.
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct  7 15:16:28 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:16:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] World Finals at teh Salt.
Message-ID: <4CAE38AC.1070803@mayfco.com>

  A friend just told me that the class record for the  class I have been 
running the Sunbeam in now has a new mark to shoot for. It was 213 mph 
and that was doable for me. However, a run of 268 was just posted at 
Worlds Finals with the car now in impound for a record run later.  So, 
certainly not speeds I can deal with without very major modifications 
and really large infusions of cash, lol.  Maybe I will try another class 
if I can find one that is slower, lol.

Unless I can find a class to run in, then I guess the Sunbeam is done. 
I'll see about refreshing the motor with a new block and forged crank 
and rods and put it into our Tiger.  Or maybe go drag racing with Jerry 
Porch.  Maybe I can get his worlds quickest bragging rights title.. 
small maybe, lol... Be a lot cheaper and closer since we have a major 
drag strip in Las Vegas.

mayf

From jimdamelio at cox.net  Thu Oct  7 15:19:05 2010
From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:19:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center Caps are ready
In-Reply-To: <BAY151-w29B457D5A7B055934A4A96DE670@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY151-w29B457D5A7B055934A4A96DE670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001501cb6665$45d15d70$d1741850$@net>

Dave,

Just got my center caps in the mail.  They look fantastic.  Thanks for
taking on this project, sure helped a lot of us.

Jim D

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of DAVID GREEN
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:01 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center Caps are ready

Hello All,

The caps are done. I will be picking them up this Monday and sending them
out
to people who have paid. For those who haven't now is the time. For those
who
are on the fence I have a limited amount of extras avalible for sale.
First come first served.
Price is $25 per cap and $10 shipping for up to 5 caps. More than 5 and up
to
10 will be $14 shipping. Contact me off list.

Dave Green
alpdavegre at msn.com
_______________________________________________

From jerry.porsch at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 15:14:18 2010
From: jerry.porsch at gmail.com (Jerry Porsch)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:14:18 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Rare Tigers
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOtCptJ3WFbLJAhj66HsFEM5cWLGuM01vcrOCo@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine has a MK2 that is so orignal its ugly. He keeps it in a
controlled bubble and starts it once in a while. He calls it 110 don't know
the milage but will find out. He also has another MK2 that is really a neat
car not orignal but man does he drive the shit out of the car its really a
nice car also. Talks smack all the time about being able to kick my cars but
won't happen.

-- 
Jerry Porsch

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  7 15:30:38 2010
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:30:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....
Message-ID: <411628.40357.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Some of you may not have seen the information posted at the "Allpar" (Mopar) 
enthusiast site regarding the Sunbeam marque.   It is interesting that they 
acknowledge Chrysler's ownership of the brand (albeit for a brief period).  I 
have not yet had the "nerve" to show up at a Mopar car show with my Mark II 
(complete with the Chrysler pentastar on the right front fender).  Any of you 
guys taken your Ford powered Tiger to a Mopar event?

Link to article:  http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/sunbeam/index.html

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  7 15:38:15 2010
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:38:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
Message-ID: <347545.37134.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Forgot to mention... note that the article they posted on the Allpar site does 
not include the word "Ford" or mention the Tiger's 260 or 289 V8.  Rather... 
those Mopar guys took the Chrysler approach (e.g. a "Sunbeam V8" or as they 
state a "small American built V8").  I'm sure most Mopar guys consider "Ford" to 
be one of those obscene 4-letter words.

Bill



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 5:30:38 PM
Subject: Sunbeam Link....


Some of you may not have seen the information posted at the "Allpar" (Mopar) 
enthusiast site regarding the Sunbeam marque.   It is interesting that they 
acknowledge Chrysler's ownership of the brand (albeit for a brief period).  I 
have not yet had the "nerve" to show up at a Mopar car show with my Mark II 
(complete with the Chrysler pentastar on the right front fender).  Any of you 
guys taken your Ford powered Tiger to a Mopar event?

Link to article:  http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/sunbeam/index.html

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct  7 15:46:23 2010
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:46:23 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] World Finals at teh Salt.
References: <4CAE38AC.1070803@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <1DBBE94802314EF692411D470F7DA066@bob>

Mayf,
At least you were able to bag the "World's Fastest Sunbeam" title. Now you 
can cross that one off your "bucket list".
Thanks again for your hospitality during my visit on the salt. Great time.

Bob H

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: <tweecer at yahoogroups.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: [Tigers] World Finals at teh Salt.


>  A friend just told me that the class record for the  class I have been 
> running the Sunbeam in now has a new mark to shoot for. It was 213 mph and 
> that was doable for me. However, a run of 268 was just posted at Worlds 
> Finals with the car now in impound for a record run later.  So, certainly 
> not speeds I can deal with without very major modifications and really 
> large infusions of cash, lol.  Maybe I will try another class if I can 
> find one that is slower, lol.
>
> Unless I can find a class to run in, then I guess the Sunbeam is done. 
> I'll see about refreshing the motor with a new block and forged crank and 
> rods and put it into our Tiger.  Or maybe go drag racing with Jerry Porch. 
> Maybe I can get his worlds quickest bragging rights title.. small maybe, 
> lol... Be a lot cheaper and closer since we have a major drag strip in Las 
> Vegas.
>
> mayf

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 19:48:11 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:48:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <347545.37134.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <347545.37134.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=BsoTSDtOqOo+JTDK7ci-XzK_Ppk5BFaAtREJ0@mail.gmail.com>

All they had to do was figure out how to make a 273 fit. They couldn't do
it... or couldn't be bothered.

Tom

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Forgot to mention... note that the article they posted on the Allpar site
> does
> not include the word "Ford" or mention the Tiger's 260 or 289 V8.
>  Rather...
> those Mopar guys took the Chrysler approach (e.g. a "Sunbeam V8" or as they
> state a "small American built V8").  I'm sure most Mopar guys consider
> "Ford" to
> be one of those obscene 4-letter words.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 5:30:38 PM
> Subject: Sunbeam Link....
>
>
> Some of you may not have seen the information posted at the "Allpar"
> (Mopar)
> enthusiast site regarding the Sunbeam marque.   It is interesting that they
> acknowledge Chrysler's ownership of the brand (albeit for a brief period).
>  I
> have not yet had the "nerve" to show up at a Mopar car show with my Mark II
> (complete with the Chrysler pentastar on the right front fender).  Any of
> you
> guys taken your Ford powered Tiger to a Mopar event?
>
> Link to article:  http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/sunbeam/index.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Waite
> Grand Rapids, MI
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct  7 20:25:56 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:25:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=BsoTSDtOqOo+JTDK7ci-XzK_Ppk5BFaAtREJ0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99C677C4AA35404BB8A4B4A06A55C86B@ronpc1>

Tom
	William Carroll's Book "Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar" devotes
several pages to Chrysler design studies for the 68 Tiger IIA.
Unfortunately the 273 has a rear mount distributor and maybe a longer block
but what I think really killed the Tiger was money and the new USA car
Safety Regulations.  You would also have to look at the history of the
British Auto workers to see if they were on strike or something at that
time.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:48 PM
To: Bill Waite
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....


All they had to do was figure out how to make a 273 fit. They couldn't do
it... or couldn't be bothered.

Tom

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Forgot to mention... note that the article they posted on the Allpar
> site does not include the word "Ford" or mention the Tiger's 260 or
> 289 V8.  Rather...
> those Mopar guys took the Chrysler approach (e.g. a "Sunbeam V8" or as
they
> state a "small American built V8").  I'm sure most Mopar guys consider
> "Ford" to
> be one of those obscene 4-letter words.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 5:30:38 PM
> Subject: Sunbeam Link....
>
>
> Some of you may not have seen the information posted at the "Allpar"
> (Mopar)
> enthusiast site regarding the Sunbeam marque.   It is interesting that
they
> acknowledge Chrysler's ownership of the brand (albeit for a brief
> period).  I have not yet had the "nerve" to show up at a Mopar car
> show with my Mark II (complete with the Chrysler pentastar on the
> right front fender).  Any of you
> guys taken your Ford powered Tiger to a Mopar event?
>
> Link to article:
> http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/sunbeam/index.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Waite
> Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Thu Oct  7 20:48:04 2010
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=BsoTSDtOqOo+JTDK7ci-XzK_Ppk5BFaAtREJ0@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <347545.37134.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=BsoTSDtOqOo+JTDK7ci-XzK_Ppk5BFaAtREJ0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101008024725.3A8E2187644@autox.team.net>

At 09:48 PM 10/7/2010, Tom Parker wrote:

 >On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
 >
 >>I'm sure most Mopar guys consider
 >> "Ford" to
 >> be one of those obscene 4-letter words.

Ask any GM or MoPar guy:  Ford means:

Found on Road Dead
F***ing old rebuilt Dodge

While the Ford guys would respond

First on Race Day

and would claim that

GMC meant Generally Maintain Carefully

and that AMC meant ALWAYS maintain carefully.

Just some slangin' from back in the longago.

No one has yet, to my knowledge, come up with a similar quip about Chrysler.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM  Fri Oct  8 07:01:01 2010
From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:01:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <411628.40357.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <411628.40357.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CAEDDCC.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM>

When at Chrysler, I drove my RHD Tiger, so I could park in the "close" lot.  I
would drive backwards through the gate in order to reach the access card
reader.

>>> Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net> 10/7/2010 5:30 PM >>>
Some of you may not have seen the information posted at the "Allpar" (Mopar)
enthusiast site regarding the Sunbeam marque.   It is interesting that they
acknowledge Chrysler's ownership of the brand (albeit for a brief period).  I
have not yet had the "nerve" to show up at a Mopar car show with my Mark II
(complete with the Chrysler pentastar on the right front fender).  Any of you
guys taken your Ford powered Tiger to a Mopar event?

Link to article:  http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/sunbeam/index.html

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From e.coiner at cox.net  Fri Oct  8 07:54:41 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 6:54:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <20101008024725.3A8E2187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20101008095441.W7TO6.1208215.imail@fed1rmwml35>

One more

Ford
For Outstanding Road Durability

---- Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net> wrote: 
> At 09:48 PM 10/7/2010, Tom Parker wrote:
> 
>  >On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>  >
>  >>I'm sure most Mopar guys consider
>  >> "Ford" to
>  >> be one of those obscene 4-letter words.
> 
> Ask any GM or MoPar guy:  Ford means:
> 
> Found on Road Dead
> F***ing old rebuilt Dodge
> 
> While the Ford guys would respond
> 
> First on Race Day
> 
> and would claim that
> 
> GMC meant Generally Maintain Carefully
> 
> and that AMC meant ALWAYS maintain carefully.
> 
> Just some slangin' from back in the longago.
> 
> No one has yet, to my knowledge, come up with a similar quip about Chrysler.
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> msmall at aya.yale.edu
> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  8 08:12:11 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 07:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <411628.40357.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <411628.40357.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <296992.90281.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill

A few years back, I took my MKIA to a All Chryser Performance Show.
At
first they would not register my car.  Finally the old guy running the
event
looked at the pentastar and a sales brochure  happened to have
let me in. 
They parked my way way in the back next to some guy
named BoB Eucher in a
Simca.

I did not win an award

At this years British Car Fest, a driver
showed up in a FIAT Toppalino.
Had documentation that while designed in Italy
by FIAT, it was built and
sold in England.  He claimed att Toppalino were made
in England.  Took
his charity donation and parked him with the other odd
cars.  I told
people, The festival was a Car show for Charty.  If the driver
thinks it
a British Car, take the money.  But I still think a Citrone is not
Britihs.
The Rolls crowd objected to a Springfield Rolls too.

541 enthisists
drove up and 2000 spectators.  We had a great time.
All the cars started and
left under their iown power.  Except for a
Jaguar XKE 2+2.

My favorite car
was the 1929 Supercharged Bentley Convertible
AKA Steed's Averenger car.

Dave
 



________________________________
From: Bill Waite
<fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, October 7,
2010 5:30:38 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....

Some of you may not have
seen the information posted at the "Allpar" (Mopar) 
enthusiast site regarding
the Sunbeam marque.  It is interesting that they 
acknowledge Chrysler's
ownership of the brand (albeit for a brief period).  I 
have not yet had the
"nerve" to show up at a Mopar car show with my Mark II 
(complete with the
Chrysler pentastar on the right front fender).  Any of you 
guys taken your
Ford powered Tiger to a Mopar event?

Link to article: 
http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/sunbeam/index.html

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI
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From nmpubs at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 09:22:39 2010
From: nmpubs at gmail.com (William Carroll)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 08:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <20101008095441.W7TO6.1208215.imail@fed1rmwml35>
References: <20101008024725.3A8E2187644@autox.team.net>
	<20101008095441.W7TO6.1208215.imail@fed1rmwml35>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBCWjF6mPUt1nbBx-tJQCboxRM-+jHK1FzOxXp@mail.gmail.com>

Hi: Picture of Chrysler plans for continuation of the Tiger line is on
page 71 of my Tiger book.  It's super.............Cheers......Bill
Carroll.............

On 10/8/10, e.coiner at cox.net <e.coiner at cox.net> wrote:
> One more
>
> Ford
> For Outstanding Road Durability
>
> ---- Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net> wrote:
>> At 09:48 PM 10/7/2010, Tom Parker wrote:
>>
>>  >On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>I'm sure most Mopar guys consider
>>  >> "Ford" to
>>  >> be one of those obscene 4-letter words.
>>
>> Ask any GM or MoPar guy:  Ford means:
>>
>> Found on Road Dead
>> F***ing old rebuilt Dodge
>>
>> While the Ford guys would respond
>>
>> First on Race Day
>>
>> and would claim that
>>
>> GMC meant Generally Maintain Carefully
>>
>> and that AMC meant ALWAYS maintain carefully.
>>
>> Just some slangin' from back in the longago.
>>
>> No one has yet, to my knowledge, come up with a similar quip about
>> Chrysler.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> msmall at aya.yale.edu
>> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
>> _______________________________________________
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From barncobob at aol.com  Fri Oct  8 09:24:16 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:24:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump heat shield
Message-ID: <8CD3514016D305F-10D0-6F3@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>

has anyone built/installed anytype of heat shield for pump above muffler. a
picture would be helpful if possible.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Oct  8 10:05:07 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump heat shield
In-Reply-To: <8CD3514016D305F-10D0-6F3@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D0D2DDC4F2A4424837DD17F1073B277@ronpc1>

	Tim Ronak wrote up an article for muffler heat shields which should
be listed on TigersUnited.

Similar techniques could be used around the fuel pump but you need to be
careful about fuel leaks and fuel pooling and possible fire.  Muffler heat
shield might be the better way to go.  A fuel leak over a hot muffler will
evaporate and disperse quickly. 

  John Logan moved his mufflers to the back of the Tiger completely away
from the fuel pump area.

Ron Fraser

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To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump heat shield


has anyone built/installed anytype of heat shield for pump above muffler. a
picture would be helpful if possible.
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 10:46:16 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:46:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center Caps are ready
In-Reply-To: <BAY151-w29B457D5A7B055934A4A96DE670@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY151-w29B457D5A7B055934A4A96DE670@phx.gbl>
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Dave,
Got mine in yesterday's mail.  Beautiful!  It will look good on my desk
(paperweight).  Bonus:  since there is a very tiny center nub on the back,
it spins a LONG time on a hard surface!

-- 
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  8 11:12:18 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:12:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Car Insults
Message-ID: <FB5A089A4AC7414086EE3DE339059F79@jeffnicholsPC>

" 

Ask any GM or MoPar guy: Ford means:

Found on Road Dead

F***ing old rebuilt Dodge

While the Ford guys would respond

First on Race Day

and would claim that

GMC meant Generally Maintain Carefully

and that AMC meant ALWAYS maintain carefully."

 

 

 

At last summer's Woodward Cruise, Chrysler had a large display area and a
small booth for Fiat.  There were a couple of Fiat 500s parked outside and
in the booth one side had free Italian Gelatos and cappucinno, while the
other side sold Fiat logo mugs, shirts, etc.  Two very pretty 20 year old
girls were trying to sell the Fiat stuff and I asked them if they knew what
the letters in Fiat meant.  They said no, and I replied "Fix It Again
Tony!".  Both of them turned and looked at each other laughing.  Then one of
them said, " I know what Ford means, Fix Or Repair Daily!".  

 

 
Jeff

From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 11:38:42 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (jd.sencindiver at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:38:42 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <296992.90281.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0016368e1c3250da5804921e7bae@google.com>

Ah yes, a blower Bently! The Avengers had great cars: John Steed had the  
Bently and Miss Emma Peale had a Lotus Europa, if I recall correctly. Miss  
Peale (Diana Riggs) would high kick the bad guys and then drive off in the  
Lotus. I think I had my first crush on her; something about her British  
accent and those long legs. She also played Bond's love interest (actually  
getting married to him) in the movie "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp


On Oct 8, 2010 10:12am, David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill

> >


> My favorite car


> was the 1929 Supercharged Bentley Convertible


> AKA Steed's Averenger car.





> Dave

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 13:00:01 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:00:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump heat shield
In-Reply-To: <8CD3514016D305F-10D0-6F3@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD3514016D305F-10D0-6F3@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002501cb671b$031496d0$093dc470$@rr.com>

I recommend getting the Flowmaster heat shield from Summit racing. Pretty
much will fit any oval muffler. Comes with long hose-clamp type bands and
fits on top of muffler. Easy installation and good peace of mind. 

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On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:24 AM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump heat shield

has anyone built/installed anytype of heat shield for pump above muffler. a
picture would be helpful if possible.
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct  8 13:32:57 2010
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:32:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <0016368e1c3250da5804921e7bae@google.com>
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	<0016368e1c3250da5804921e7bae@google.com>
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Jim,

I think that Mrs. Peale drove a Lotus Elan.  And yes, Diana Rigg was hot.

Will Seay B382001570
wseay at embarqmail.com

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On Behalf Of jd.sencindiver at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:39 PM
To: David T Johnson
Cc: Bill Waite; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....

Ah yes, a blower Bently! The Avengers had great cars: John Steed had the  
Bently and Miss Emma Peale had a Lotus Europa, if I recall correctly. Miss  
Peale (Diana Riggs) would high kick the bad guys and then drive off in the  
Lotus. I think I had my first crush on her; something about her British  
accent and those long legs. She also played Bond's love interest (actually  
getting married to him) in the movie "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp


On Oct 8, 2010 10:12am, David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill

> >


> My favorite car


> was the 1929 Supercharged Bentley Convertible


> AKA Steed's Averenger car.





> Dave
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Oct  8 13:37:47 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:37:47 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
Message-ID: <737ab.3da9e06e.39e0cd0b@aol.com>

I remember those pictures. If that's what they were  going to do to the car 
I'm happy they decided to drop it instead.   Guess I'm too much of a 
traditionalist.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 10/8/2010 11:43:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nmpubs at gmail.com writes:

Hi:  Picture of Chrysler plans for continuation of the Tiger line is on
page 71  of my Tiger book.  It's  super.............Cheers......Bill
Carroll.............

On 10/8/10,  e.coiner at cox.net <e.coiner at cox.net> wrote:
> One  more
>
> Ford
> For Outstanding Road  Durability
>
> ---- Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net>  wrote:
>> At 09:48 PM 10/7/2010, Tom Parker  wrote:
>>
>>  >On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Bill  Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>   >
>>  >>I'm sure most Mopar guys  consider
>>  >> "Ford" to
>>  >> be  one of those obscene 4-letter words.
>>
>> Ask any GM or  MoPar guy:  Ford means:
>>
>> Found on Road  Dead
>> F***ing old rebuilt Dodge
>>
>> While the  Ford guys would respond
>>
>> First on Race  Day
>>
>> and would claim that
>>
>> GMC  meant Generally Maintain Carefully
>>
>> and that AMC meant  ALWAYS maintain carefully.
>>
>> Just some slangin' from  back in the longago.
>>
>> No one has yet, to my knowledge,  come up with a similar quip about
>>  Chrysler.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>  msmall at aya.yale.edu
>> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
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From mai65tai at sonic.net  Fri Oct  8 14:08:17 2010
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:08:17 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 525
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1286560804.2375.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.19.1286560804.2375.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:24:16 -0400
From: barncobob at aol.com
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pump heat shield

Measure your muffler size, look up "Muffler Heat Shield" on the Summitt
Racing website and pick the proper size. Mine works great. Comes with clamps
and is an easy add-on.

John Stithem

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 15:58:01 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 08:58:01 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Car Insults
In-Reply-To: <FB5A089A4AC7414086EE3DE339059F79@jeffnicholsPC>
References: <FB5A089A4AC7414086EE3DE339059F79@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsywXgqAoN_Qt26mRpV9cDrLw_D9-w6_TgTxTu@mail.gmail.com>

my favourite was always LOTUS.. *L*ots *O*f *T*rouble *U*sually *S*erious

On 9 October 2010 04:12, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "
>
> Ask any GM or MoPar guy: Ford means:
>
> Found on Road Dead
>
> F***ing old rebuilt Dodge
>
> While the Ford guys would respond
>
> First on Race Day
>
> and would claim that
>
> GMC meant Generally Maintain Carefully
>
> and that AMC meant ALWAYS maintain carefully."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At last summer's Woodward Cruise, Chrysler had a large display area and a
> small booth for Fiat.  There were a couple of Fiat 500s parked outside and
> in the booth one side had free Italian Gelatos and cappucinno, while the
> other side sold Fiat logo mugs, shirts, etc.  Two very pretty 20 year old
> girls were trying to sell the Fiat stuff and I asked them if they knew what
> the letters in Fiat meant.  They said no, and I replied "Fix It Again
> Tony!".  Both of them turned and looked at each other laughing.  Then one
> of
> them said, " I know what Ford means, Fix Or Repair Daily!".
>
>
>
>
> Jeff
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  8 20:45:13 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:45:13 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Car Insults
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsywXgqAoN_Qt26mRpV9cDrLw_D9-w6_TgTxTu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FB5A089A4AC7414086EE3DE339059F79@jeffnicholsPC>
	<AANLkTimsywXgqAoN_Qt26mRpV9cDrLw_D9-w6_TgTxTu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6706FD5BB0CE44D78368998A572A7B53@jeffnicholsPC>

Thats a good one!     If you get a chance read the current issue of Road &
Track.  Peter Eagan writes of his experience driving a 1960's Lotus Elan to
Alabama from Minnesota.  Mr. Eagan lived the Lotus insult.
 
                                                                      Jeff

  _____  

From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 5:58 PM
To: Jeffrey Nichols
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Car Insults


my favourite was always LOTUS.. Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious


On 9 October 2010 04:12, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"

Ask any GM or MoPar guy: Ford means:

Found on Road Dead

F***ing old rebuilt Dodge

While the Ford guys would respond

First on Race Day

and would claim that

GMC meant Generally Maintain Carefully

and that AMC meant ALWAYS maintain carefully."







At last summer's Woodward Cruise, Chrysler had a large display area and a
small booth for Fiat.  There were a couple of Fiat 500s parked outside and
in the booth one side had free Italian Gelatos and cappucinno, while the
other side sold Fiat logo mugs, shirts, etc.  Two very pretty 20 year old
girls were trying to sell the Fiat stuff and I asked them if they knew what
the letters in Fiat meant.  They said no, and I replied "Fix It Again
Tony!".  Both of them turned and looked at each other laughing.  Then one of
them said, " I know what Ford means, Fix Or Repair Daily!".




Jeff
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From alpdavegre at msn.com  Fri Oct  8 20:50:37 2010
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:50:37 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center Cap project done
Message-ID: <BAY151-w44684D4EFB4BD8156C221BDE510@phx.gbl>

Hello all,

I have completed the first run of LAT 9 Center Caps. Most have been sent out.
Everyone should get them soon. Out of a run of 74 I have only the sample left.
Thanks to all who bought. The response so far is excellent to the quality. If
any more Tiger owners want to place an order I will take them and when we
reach 30 or more pieces I can rerun the project. A slight increase for an
order less then 50 units would come to $30 each cap. FYI.
Dave Green

From alpdavegre at msn.com  Fri Oct  8 20:56:58 2010
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:56:58 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 wheels
Message-ID: <BAY151-w56D1B4AACD87A5549C852ADE510@phx.gbl>

Hey guys,

A question was asked of me and I need a poll of owners with LAT 9 wheels. I
for one (my wifes car) have a set. I saw 2 Tigers with 9's on them at SUNI 5.
What say Yeh??

Dave Green
Sunbeam Alpines & 2 Mk1 Tigers

From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Sat Oct  9 05:21:06 2010
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:21:06 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <0016368e1c3250da5804921e7bae@google.com>
References: <296992.90281.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<0016368e1c3250da5804921e7bae@google.com>
Message-ID: <002501cb67a4$111000b0$33300210$@net.au>

Jim

I think you'll find that Steed's car was an early Vauxhaul.

Regards
Wally Menke


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of jd.sencindiver at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 9 October 2010 4:39 AM
To: David T Johnson
Cc: Bill Waite; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....

Ah yes, a blower Bently! The Avengers had great cars: John Steed had the  
Bently and Miss Emma Peale had a Lotus Europa, if I recall correctly. Miss  
Peale (Diana Riggs) would high kick the bad guys and then drive off in the  
Lotus. I think I had my first crush on her; something about her British  
accent and those long legs. She also played Bond's love interest (actually  
getting married to him) in the movie "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp


On Oct 8, 2010 10:12am, David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill

> >


> My favorite car


> was the 1929 Supercharged Bentley Convertible


> AKA Steed's Averenger car.





> Dave
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct  9 07:37:20 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:37:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <002501cb67a4$111000b0$33300210$@net.au>
Message-ID: <1FC62F94A5D444F3BF7E06EA70A8E5C5@ronpc1>

Wally

	This is from wikipedia: Avengers TV series

Another memorable feature of the show from this point onwards was its
automobiles. Steed's signature cars were vintage 1926-1928 Bentley racing or
town cars, including Blower Bentleys and Bentley Speed Sixes, while Peel
drove a sporty Lotus Elan convertible which, like her clothes, emphasized
her independence and vitality. During the first Peel series, each episode
would end with a short, comedic scene of the duo leaving the scene of their
most recent adventure in some unusual vehicle.


Vehicle wise, while Steed continued to drive vintage Bentleys, Mother was
transported in Rolls-Royce cars and Tara King preferred an AC 428 and a
Lotus Europa (some of this had already begun in the Gale episodes, as Gale
occasionally used a Triumph motorcycle).

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Wally Menke
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:21 AM
To: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com; 'David T Johnson'
Cc: 'Bill Waite'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....


Jim

I think you'll find that Steed's car was an early Vauxhaul.

Regards
Wally Menke

From gharlowe at comcast.net  Sat Oct  9 08:47:09 2010
From: gharlowe at comcast.net (Graham Harlowe)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:47:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners
Message-ID: <000601cb67c0$dabad450$90307cf0$@net>

All -

I'll be installing the lower grill finisher soon.  (This is the stainless
trim that fastens to the top of front valance.)  My front valance has been
replaced and I don't recall how many fasteners were used to attach this
piece, nor their locations.  Can anyone provide an estimate for how many
fasteners were used and approximately where along the piece they were
located (i.e. where to drill the holes in the valance)?  Also, any
recommendations what to use as fasteners to attach/retain this piece?  

Thanks much, as always...

Cheers, 
Graham Harlowe
B382001466

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 09:37:17 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:37:17 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners
In-Reply-To: <000601cb67c0$dabad450$90307cf0$@net>
References: <000601cb67c0$dabad450$90307cf0$@net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimg95CSE6BGGmBMY=_4jGNeLsA+b+yCgkfYkQzo@mail.gmail.com>

about 5 is enough.  a flat plate with threaded rod coming out the
middle.  you can file the sides of thre plate so it become just wide
enough to slide into the stainless strip.  then put bolts and washers
underneath.

On Saturday, October 9, 2010, Graham Harlowe <gharlowe at comcast.net> wrote:
> All -
>
> I'll be installing the lower grill finisher soon.  (This is the stainless
> trim that fastens to the top of front valance.)  My front valance has been
> replaced and I don't recall how many fasteners were used to attach this
> piece, nor their locations.  Can anyone provide an estimate for how many
> fasteners were used and approximately where along the piece they were
> located (i.e. where to drill the holes in the valance)?  Also, any
> recommendations what to use as fasteners to attach/retain this piece?
>
> Thanks much, as always...
>
> Cheers,
> Graham Harlowe
> B382001466
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Oct  9 10:02:38 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:02:38 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners
Message-ID: <61595.1e89060e.39e1ec1e@aol.com>

I did mine recently and I believe there were 8  fasteners with a washer, 
lockwasher and nut on each.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/9/2010 11:37:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes:

about 5  is enough.  a flat plate with threaded rod coming out  the
middle.  you can file the sides of thre plate so it become just  wide
enough to slide into the stainless strip.  then put bolts and  washers
underneath.

On Saturday, October 9, 2010, Graham Harlowe  <gharlowe at comcast.net> wrote:
> All -
>
> I'll be  installing the lower grill finisher soon.  (This is the stainless
>  trim that fastens to the top of front valance.)  My front valance has  
been
> replaced and I don't recall how many fasteners were used to  attach this
> piece, nor their locations.  Can anyone provide an  estimate for how many
> fasteners were used and approximately where  along the piece they were
> located (i.e. where to drill the holes in  the valance)?  Also, any
> recommendations what to use as fasteners  to attach/retain this piece?
>
> Thanks much, as  always...
>
> Cheers,
> Graham Harlowe
>  B382001466
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  9 10:24:18 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimg95CSE6BGGmBMY=_4jGNeLsA+b+yCgkfYkQzo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601cb67c0$dabad450$90307cf0$@net>
	<AANLkTimg95CSE6BGGmBMY=_4jGNeLsA+b+yCgkfYkQzo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <183566.7310.qm@web111607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Dwain

The lower finisher had large round pop rivites aka the side strip pop
rivets.
I still have som NOS ones.  A poor way to hold the strip.  I used some
GM molding clips I found in the parts store.  The have two strings on
either
end of a trapezoid plate.  I clipped off the springs and found it to
slide
inside the finisher.  The plate already had a threaded stud.  I found
some
nylon nuts that fit (no tust).  When installing I found the paint had
made the
monting holes to small.  A simple drill fixed that.

Remember when repainting,
the area behind the strip is black not body
color. In fact the whole area
behind the grill aurraond is black.  A mistake
most painters fix.  Rumor is
this area was not spray painted but hand
brush painted.  Marketing wanted the
chrome cross bars to appear
to be floating in a black area.  The same
marketers had the rockers of
the MK II painted black under the chrome stide
strips under the stripes
Marketing felt the effect would make the MK IIs to
look lower.

Dave


 



________________________________
From: Owain Lloyd
<owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
To: Graham Harlowe <gharlowe at comcast.net>
Cc:
"tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010
11:37:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners

about 5 is
enough.  a flat plate with threaded rod coming out the
middle.  you can file
the sides of thre plate so it become just wide
enough to slide into the
stainless strip.  then put bolts and washers
underneath.

On Saturday, October
9, 2010, Graham Harlowe <gharlowe at comcast.net> wrote:
> All -
>
> I'll be
installing the lower grill finisher soon.  (This is the stainless
> trim that
fastens to the top of front valance.)  My front valance has been
> replaced
and I don't recall how many fasteners were used to attach this
> piece, nor
their locations.  Can anyone provide an estimate for how many
> fasteners were
used and approximately where along the piece they were
> located (i.e. where
to drill the holes in the valance)?  Also, any
> recommendations what to use
as fasteners to attach/retain this piece?
>
> Thanks much, as always...
>
>
Cheers,
> Graham Harlowe
> B382001466
>
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Oct  9 10:30:16 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:30:16 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners
Message-ID: <626c6.4af6b794.39e1f298@aol.com>

Forgive my earlier email. I was discussing the upper  strip and not the 
lower that had been asked about.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 10/9/2010 12:24:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
djoh797014 at yahoo.com writes:

Dwain

The lower finisher had large round pop rivites aka the  side strip pop
rivets.
I still have som NOS ones.  A poor way to  hold the strip.  I used some
GM molding clips I found in the parts  store.  The have two strings on
either
end of a trapezoid  plate.  I clipped off the springs and found it to
slide
inside the  finisher.  The plate already had a threaded stud.  I  found
some
nylon nuts that fit (no tust).  When installing I found  the paint had
made the
monting holes to small.  A simple drill  fixed that.

Remember when repainting,
the area behind the strip is  black not body
color. In fact the whole area
behind the grill aurraond  is black.  A mistake
most painters fix.  Rumor is
this area  was not spray painted but hand
brush painted.  Marketing wanted  the
chrome cross bars to appear
to be floating in a black area.   The same
marketers had the rockers of
the MK II painted black under the  chrome stide
strips under the stripes
Marketing felt the effect would  make the MK IIs to
look  lower.

Dave






________________________________
From:  Owain Lloyd
<owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
To: Graham Harlowe  <gharlowe at comcast.net>
Cc:
"tigers at autox.team.net"  <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010
11:37:17  AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners

about 5  is
enough.  a flat plate with threaded rod coming out  the
middle.  you can file
the sides of thre plate so it become just  wide
enough to slide into the
stainless strip.  then put bolts and  washers
underneath.

On Saturday, October
9, 2010, Graham Harlowe  <gharlowe at comcast.net> wrote:
> All -
>
> I'll  be
installing the lower grill finisher soon.  (This is the  stainless
> trim that
fastens to the top of front valance.)  My  front valance has been
> replaced
and I don't recall how many  fasteners were used to attach this
> piece, nor
their  locations.  Can anyone provide an estimate for how many
> fasteners  were
used and approximately where along the piece they were
> located  (i.e. where
to drill the holes in the valance)?  Also, any
>  recommendations what to use
as fasteners to attach/retain this  piece?
>
> Thanks much, as  always...
>
>
Cheers,
> Graham Harlowe
>  B382001466
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct  9 11:14:38 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:14:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners
In-Reply-To: <000601cb67c0$dabad450$90307cf0$@net>
Message-ID: <0E35AEFE8BBD4B929A5838ED5DD6F80A@ronpc1>

Graham
	These parts are listed in the Alpine Parts list; Section X Body
Mountings.


http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_part_
list.asp

4 fasteners are listed for the lower finisher but the drawing for the
fastener does not help.  This is where pictures of original fasteners would
be helpful to us all.

	I used a clip of some sort with a threaded stud.  I did find some
clips in my parts collection that maybe what I used.   It is a stock clip
with a wire wing ding that would be removed.  The top plate is .33" wide,
3/4" long with a 10x24 stud.   Possibly Auveco # 2744; Auveco has an online
catalog maybe you can still find them or something that will fit.

My Tiger is not in a position to get at those fasteners right now.

Hopefully someone on the list can give you the hole locations.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Graham Harlowe
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:47 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners


All -

I'll be installing the lower grill finisher soon.  (This is the stainless
trim that fastens to the top of front valance.)  My front valance has been
replaced and I don't recall how many fasteners were used to attach this
piece, nor their locations.  Can anyone provide an estimate for how many
fasteners were used and approximately where along the piece they were
located (i.e. where to drill the holes in the valance)?  Also, any
recommendations what to use as fasteners to attach/retain this piece?

Thanks much, as always...

Cheers,
Graham Harlowe
B382001466

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Oct  9 14:50:48 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:50:48 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Horn Ring
Message-ID: <6b895.3248de7c.39e22fa8@aol.com>

I have a replacement horn ring and it came without the  3 adjustment 
screws.  I'm thinking of swapping the screws from the original  ring, but can't 
figure out how they come out.  The bottom side appears to  have a jam nut so 
I'm figuring the part I can't see is threaded.  On the  other side of the 
ring, the end of the screw appears to be flattened to keep it  from coming out. 
 
Has anyone recently fooled with one of these?  Is  there a way to remove 
and reuse the screws?
Thanks,
Mark L

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 15:55:35 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:55:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Break Caliper Pistons
Message-ID: <DFCB9028A02348C3A700DF508E99C640@OfficePC>

Hey,

 

I'm having some trouble getting the pistons out of the front brake calipers
(the car has been sitting for something like 25 years).  On each caliper I
was able to get one piston out using compressed air but I can't get the
other one to move.  Any ideas?  

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 17:31:54 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:31:54 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Break Caliper Pistons
In-Reply-To: <DFCB9028A02348C3A700DF508E99C640@OfficePC>
References: <DFCB9028A02348C3A700DF508E99C640@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinw8_OxTOCo-AZ1RbvY-4enPCUgcK7T=PBrs30d@mail.gmail.com>

how about hooking up a master cylinder, bleed it and pump it out with
the one that moves held in place?

On Saturday, October 9, 2010, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
>
>
> I'm having some trouble getting the pistons out of the front brake calipers
> (the car has been sitting for something like 25 years).  On each caliper I
> was able to get one piston out using compressed air but I can't get the
> other one to move.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
> Arlington, TX
>
> B382000217
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct  9 17:44:15 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:44:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Break Caliper Pistons
In-Reply-To: <DFCB9028A02348C3A700DF508E99C640@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <B8F4D5BB19F6416588DE4B27BB1D38C2@ronpc1>

Joe
	A friend of mine tells me he never has a problem with this; he soaks
the caliper in oil overnight or for a day.

I know I have clamped the piston that moves easily with some wood and clamps
and then use air pressure to get the other piston to move.

I have not tried this on a caliper but I have had good results soaking parts
in ATF overnight; they easily come apart.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:56 PM
To: 'Beamclub'
Subject: [Tigers] Break Caliper Pistons


Hey,



I'm having some trouble getting the pistons out of the front brake calipers
(the car has been sitting for something like 25 years).  On each caliper I
was able to get one piston out using compressed air but I can't get the
other one to move.  Any ideas?



Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217
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From tym2 at comcast.net  Sat Oct  9 20:25:43 2010
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 02:25:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Spring Shackles
Message-ID: <1736087265.138317.1286677543946.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Tigers, 


I'm looking for a source to get some different than stock shackles for the rear springs. 
I want to raise my rear end between one (1) and two (2) inches. 
Does anyone know of a source where such an animal is available? 


Thanks in advance. 


Tym McDowell 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Oct  9 20:51:56 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:51:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Break Caliper Pistons
References: <DFCB9028A02348C3A700DF508E99C640@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <8275B34261794141A390B988020F5838@student2>

 >>>Any ideas?<<<

I tried all the "oil, compressed air" tricks to no avail. I wound up heating 
the caliper (not sure if it helped) and banging it onto a piece of wood. 
Somewhere between the 15th to 20th full, overhead swing of banging the 
caliper onto the wood inertia won and it finally came out.

 But then I'm the guy who had to whack his axles (bolted to a steel wheel 
and suspended between two strong sawhorses) with about an equal 15-20 full, 
overhead swings with a 10 pound sledge hammer to get my hubs off. Should I 
mention the Tiger rocking on jacktands with similar efforts to get the axles 
out of the housing?

All the best. I forgot to mention, the caliper piston removal method I 
used..., make sure your finger are on top of the caliper and not underneath. 
Don't ask!

Tom 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 22:13:55 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:13:55 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Spring Shackles
In-Reply-To: <1736087265.138317.1286677543946.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1736087265.138317.1286677543946.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimit2NHs1SJr-KJ=oK=0LPJ4SgiPKmGx4+RyyCi@mail.gmail.com>

One of the guys was selling raising blocks for the rear, they were like an
aluminium spacer that went between the spring, i cant remember if they
required the longer U bolts or not, but they raised the rear about 1 inch
IIRC someone should have his details. CAT also stock longer U bolts if
needed.

On 10 October 2010 13:25, <tym2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Tigers,
>
>
> I'm looking for a source to get some different than stock shackles for the
> rear springs.
> I want to raise my rear end between one (1) and two (2) inches.
> Does anyone know of a source where such an animal is available?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Tym McDowell
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Michael King

From tym2 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 10 07:47:39 2010
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:47:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer gear
Message-ID: <966010619.145417.1286718459536.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Tigers, 


I have a T5 tranny in my Mark 1A with 3.73 gears and 15" wheels. From what I understand, the only way to identify which tranny it is is by the identification tag on the tailshaft (unfortunately, there isn't one). The numbers on the casing don't mean a thing! 


Yesterday I removed the speedo gear from the tranny. Its marked "15R" and on the opposite side, there is a "4". When I'm driving about 40 the speedo indicates about 80. Does anyone know who I can talk to to get the correct speedometer gear? 


Thanks in advance. 


Tym McDowell 

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct 10 09:21:21 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:21:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer gear
In-Reply-To: <966010619.145417.1286718459536.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <535E0B2C3EC4459C92D08A88E1D7AC17@ronpc1>

Tym
	Try this site.  There is a calculator near bottom of the page.   The
Motorsports catalog indicates that for a T-5 you need a 21 tooth gear with
3.73 gears.  You need to go through the calculation to get the right gear
set.

The 15R is the original gear for the Tiger.

http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of tym2 at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:48 AM
To: Tiger's List
Cc: Lou Santaniello
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer gear


Tigers,


I have a T5 tranny in my Mark 1A with 3.73 gears and 15" wheels. From what I
understand, the only way to identify which tranny it is is by the
identification tag on the tailshaft (unfortunately, there isn't one). The
numbers on the casing don't mean a thing!


Yesterday I removed the speedo gear from the tranny. Its marked "15R" and on
the opposite side, there is a "4". When I'm driving about 40 the speedo
indicates about 80. Does anyone know who I can talk to to get the correct
speedometer gear?


Thanks in advance.


Tym McDowell
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sun Oct 10 13:03:38 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:03:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] TE/AE United 2010
Message-ID: <906310292.102406.1286737418922.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Here a few photos from the TE/AE United in Maine.B  More when I get home.



http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/united2010



Stu

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 16:10:53 2010
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:10:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQFyqMs4SHCoiGHb=HsxKWFc543T-++APketUC@mail.gmail.com>

Listers,



I have finally removed 98% of the undercoating on my Tiger.  If youre
interested you can see what is underneath all the undercoating at
http://picasaweb/google.com/allfudge1635



Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, with the
blue tape, might be for?  The car was fitted with an automatic, but nothing
was attached to these pieces.  I dont recall seeing them in any other Tiger
that I have seen the bottom of.



Al Fudge

B9471635

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 16:48:43 2010
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:48:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Progress revised
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=BeyYsN7dvBedQoUH2a=st4zsSjF8SFLhH_23K@mail.gmail.com>

Listers,

My apologies!  The correct link is http;//picasaweb.google.com/allfudge1635

Al

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct 10 17:39:50 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:39:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <20101008024725.3A8E2187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C3CC529A16E43B3893AC1F519C061F8@ronpc1>

Marc
	This covers just about all of them including Chrysler.

http://www.dkgoodman.com/carinitl.html

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Marc James Small
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:48 PM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....


At 09:48 PM 10/7/2010, Tom Parker wrote:

 >On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
 >
 >>I'm sure most Mopar guys consider
 >> "Ford" to
 >> be one of those obscene 4-letter words.

Ask any GM or MoPar guy:  Ford means:

Found on Road Dead
F***ing old rebuilt Dodge

While the Ford guys would respond

First on Race Day

and would claim that

GMC meant Generally Maintain Carefully

and that AMC meant ALWAYS maintain carefully.

Just some slangin' from back in the longago.

No one has yet, to my knowledge, come up with a similar quip about Chrysler.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 10 18:36:35 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <4C3CC529A16E43B3893AC1F519C061F8@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <647757.75159.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Notice there is nothing for Sunbeams!
 
All right, who out there can come with the best one for Sunbeam, Tiger,
Alpine, Hillman, MInx, Rapier, etc?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

This covers just about all of them including Chrysler.

http://www.dkgoodman.com/carinitl.html

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 19:10:13 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:10:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Brake Calipers
In-Reply-To: <BLU151-w31F04E3CA580E047B5AE9CF7520@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU151-w31F04E3CA580E047B5AE9CF7520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8298ECB61B4941D5B3731FD710F1B814@OfficePC>

Thanks for all of the replies to my question about getting the stuck pistons
out.  On each caliper I was able to get one piston out with compressed air
and I couldn't think how to get the other ones out.  I finally covered the
bore where I had removed one piston with a round piece of "fun foam" (a
dense foam rubber).  I then clamped this down with a large washer, a steel
bar and a c-clamp.  This sealed the bore good enough to hold air.  In both
calipers the stuck piston still didn't want to move.  I finally used another
c-clamp and flat piece of metal to push the stuck piston further into the
bore.  This broke the seal between the piston and the dried up rubber seal.
After pushing the pistons in I applied the compressed air again and BAM!
Problem solved.

 

I can see why many people warned not to have your fingers in the way when
blowing the piston out.  You could probably lose a finger tip that way.

 

Thanks,

Joe

 

  _____  

From: Brent Edinger [mailto:banana111 at msn.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 1:35 PM
To: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com
Subject: Tiger Brake Calipers

 

If the remaining piston is not froze you could reach into the other piston
bore with a pencil and plug the little hole off with the eraser then give it
a shot of compressed air to push the other piston out. Caution don't use
your
finger or anything else as the other piston will break anything you have in
there.
 
 
            Brent

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 20:06:25 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:06:25 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <647757.75159.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4C3CC529A16E43B3893AC1F519C061F8@ronpc1>
	<647757.75159.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6nRJ-GwHDDmoV1RyYddD2_2iSE7DaBKSU1ybp@mail.gmail.com>

Alpine = Always Limps Past In Neutral Expiring
Tiger = Turns In Great Exits Rear-facing!

somewhat appropriate?

On 11 October 2010 11:36, Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Notice there is nothing for Sunbeams!
>
> All right, who out there can come with the best one for Sunbeam, Tiger,
> Alpine, Hillman, MInx, Rapier, etc?
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This covers just about all of them including Chrysler.
>
> http://www.dkgoodman.com/carinitl.html
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From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 20:12:50 2010
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:12:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
In-Reply-To: <700275.35376.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTikQFyqMs4SHCoiGHb=HsxKWFc543T-++APketUC@mail.gmail.com>
	<700275.35376.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7E+zb3vSptt1-Oy9dP5my2j1+Da7-0i2kbYSG@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,
I hope you're right about these being artifacts of the early manufacturing
process.  It's nice to know that other Tigers have these unused pieces.  The
repair work on the car is of much poorer quality than the factory work.  The
rear spring front mount repairs look absolutely awful.  The floor pans are
very poorly done and the trans tunnel repair is truly an abomination.  The
rocker panel condition is obvious from the pictures. The list of botched
"repairs" on the shell is very long.  I won't be restoring this car to
concours conditions, obviously.  If I can get iot to the status of decent
driver I'll consider that a success.

Thanks for your insight!

Al

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Al- Those are parts for the Alpine- I think maybe the steering. usually
> cut off closer than yours but I have them too. They may have removed them
> completely on later cars but as you know the Alpine shell was sent to Jensen
> to be adapted for the changes to make it a Tiger. Having union problems, not
> all work is top notch. many welds, like on he fender wells arent very good.
> I was told years ago by Doug Jennings if you see really good welds on the
> fender to firewall brace caps, then you should inspct for other Alger type
> things as the factory welds just arent very good and having been a welder at
> one time in my life, he is right.
> regards, Tony
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 10/10/10, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Progress
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 5:10 PM
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> I have finally removed 98% of the undercoating on my Tiger.  If youre
>
> interested you can see what is underneath all the undercoating at
> http://picasaweb/google.com/allfudge1635
>
>
>
> Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, with the
> blue tape, might be for?  The car was fitted with an automatic, but nothing
> was attached to these pieces.  I dont recall seeing them in any other Tiger
>
>
> that I have seen the bottom of.
>
>
>
> Al Fudge
>
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From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 20:17:32 2010
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:17:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Progress revised for the second time!
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEficJtAFbkKQs=fScNymbL1SJ14iaRGBfw+9Z@mail.gmail.com>

Listers,

My apologies again.  I wasn't wearing my glasses when I published the
revised link to the pictures.

the correct link is:

http://picasaweb.google.com/allfudge1635

Some have reported that they still can't vierw the pictures on this
website.  I am happy to post elsewhere.  What works for you?

Al
B9471635

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Oct 10 20:21:14 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:21:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
References: <AANLkTikQFyqMs4SHCoiGHb=HsxKWFc543T-++APketUC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F4EFBC933464F49B5A6B63FB3B57451@student2>

>>> Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, with 
>>> the blue tape, might be for? <<<

Al, Not sure what the two pieces are, but they were on my Tiger too (early 
#101).

 It looks like you have your work cut out for you. All the best.
Tom 

From awtiger at cox.net  Sun Oct 10 21:13:57 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:13:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
In-Reply-To: <8F4EFBC933464F49B5A6B63FB3B57451@student2>
References: <AANLkTikQFyqMs4SHCoiGHb=HsxKWFc543T-++APketUC@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F4EFBC933464F49B5A6B63FB3B57451@student2>
Message-ID: <3F061318F2D7498BB162F7F093398BD5@awtigerPC>

I may be wrong, guys, but aren't those pieces in question that Al is showing 
under his car the remnants of Alpine transmission mount plates?  It's been a 
while since I've been under one, but I'd swear that my old Alpine's 
transmission mounted in that area on some raised plates like those.  Am I 
way off track here???

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Progress


>>>> Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, with 
>>>> the blue tape, might be for? <<<
>
> Al, Not sure what the two pieces are, but they were on my Tiger too (early 
> #101).
>
> It looks like you have your work cut out for you. All the best.
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Sun Oct 10 21:14:26 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 23:14:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <296992.90281.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <411628.40357.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<296992.90281.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Citroen were made in Slough, England.  They made the Traction Avant series and
DS series of cars there.  They were slightly different in they had better
interiors and details on the outside.

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From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David T Johnson
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:12 AM
To: Bill Waite; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Link....

Bill

A few years back, I took my MKIA to a All Chryser Performance Show.
At
first they would not register my car.  Finally the old guy running the
event
looked at the pentastar and a sales brochure  happened to have
let me in.
They parked my way way in the back next to some guy
named BoB Eucher in a
Simca.

I did not win an award

At this years British Car Fest, a driver
showed up in a FIAT Toppalino.
Had documentation that while designed in Italy
by FIAT, it was built and
sold in England.  He claimed att Toppalino were made
in England.  Took
his charity donation and parked him with the other odd
cars.  I told
people, The festival was a Car show for Charty.  If the driver
thinks it
a British Car, take the money.  But I still think a Citrone is not
Britihs.
The Rolls crowd objected to a Springfield Rolls too.

541 enthisists
drove up and 2000 spectators.  We had a great time.
All the cars started and
left under their iown power.  Except for a
Jaguar XKE 2+2.

My favorite car
was the 1929 Supercharged Bentley Convertible
AKA Steed's Averenger car.

Dave

From jliny5 at cox.net  Sun Oct 10 21:17:01 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 23:17:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question
Message-ID: <52C9B5EECCE14EC5905B93CB77FD22D4@JPC>

Hi All,

I am wiring up my ammeter and I had a question regarding the color/gauge of
the wire. The Wiring Diagram for the MkI shows the color of the wire as brown
for the connection to the voltage regulator (vreg) and the starter solenoid.
It also has the connection to the vreg going to the B terminal.

The Under Dash Wiring Diagram from C.A.T. shows the the color of the wire to
the vreg as brown/yellow and going to the A terminal.

Which is correct?

Also, does anybody know where to find brown and/or brown/yellow wire. I have
tried all the usual auto parts places with no luck. Online sources want you to
buy reels of at least a hundred feet. The one place I thought would
work...Britishwiring.com has a web site I can not seem to access.

Finally what gauge wire do I need?

As always...Thanks.

Jim Lindner
B9470033

From e.coiner at cox.net  Sun Oct 10 21:42:23 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:42:23 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question
In-Reply-To: <52C9B5EECCE14EC5905B93CB77FD22D4@JPC>
Message-ID: <20101010234223.IDDRA.882108.imail@fed1rmwml4201>

www.britishwiring.com will have the wire you seek.  They will sell it by the foot.

Erich
---- James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote: 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am wiring up my ammeter and I had a question regarding the color/gauge of
> the wire. The Wiring Diagram for the MkI shows the color of the wire as brown
> for the connection to the voltage regulator (vreg) and the starter solenoid.
> It also has the connection to the vreg going to the B terminal.
> 
> The Under Dash Wiring Diagram from C.A.T. shows the the color of the wire to
> the vreg as brown/yellow and going to the A terminal.
> 
> Which is correct?
> 
> Also, does anybody know where to find brown and/or brown/yellow wire. I have
> tried all the usual auto parts places with no luck. Online sources want you to
> buy reels of at least a hundred feet. The one place I thought would
> work...Britishwiring.com has a web site I can not seem to access.
> 
> Finally what gauge wire do I need?
> 
> As always...Thanks.
> 
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sun Oct 10 21:46:21 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:46:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question
In-Reply-To: <52C9B5EECCE14EC5905B93CB77FD22D4@JPC>
References: <52C9B5EECCE14EC5905B93CB77FD22D4@JPC>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059808E681@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

You should use at least 10 gauge wire for a standard 30-amp generator. With
the ammeter, having good crimps and clean and tight connections is more than
usually important. A poor connection can cause significant heating of the
ammeter which can distort or melt the plastic components in the ammeter. And
remember that the connections on the back of the ammeter are essentially
unfused, large-gauge connections straight back to the battery, so inadvertent
short circuits to those points from the chassis are going to be spectacular,
and if you do it to the wrong side of the ammeter you'll probably fry its
movement. Do the ammeter connections with the battery disconnected, and cover
the ammeter terminals with a heat-shrink sock or some electrical tape before
you reconnect the battery.

Brown 10-gauge wire is commonly available at most auto parts places. If you
need the yellow stripe, you can use a paint marker to put the stripe on.

Cheers,
Theo
________________________________________
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of James Lindner [jliny5 at cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:17 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question

Hi All,

I am wiring up my ammeter and I had a question regarding the color/gauge of
the wire. The Wiring Diagram for the MkI shows the color of the wire as brown
for the connection to the voltage regulator (vreg) and the starter solenoid.
It also has the connection to the vreg going to the B terminal.

The Under Dash Wiring Diagram from C.A.T. shows the the color of the wire to
the vreg as brown/yellow and going to the A terminal.

Which is correct?

Also, does anybody know where to find brown and/or brown/yellow wire. I have
tried all the usual auto parts places with no luck. Online sources want you
to
buy reels of at least a hundred feet. The one place I thought would
work...Britishwiring.com has a web site I can not seem to access.

Finally what gauge wire do I need?

As always...Thanks.

Jim Lindner
B9470033
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sun Oct 10 21:47:34 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:47:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
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No, that's correct. On my Tiger, the right side mount was used to bolt down
the main engine ground strap (which was, in turn, connected to the lower right
bellhousing-to-transmission bolt). Don't know if that's "correct" but it is
effective.

Best regards,
Theo
________________________________________
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of awtiger [awtiger at cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:13 PM
To: Thomas Witt; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Progress

I may be wrong, guys, but aren't those pieces in question that Al is showing
under his car the remnants of Alpine transmission mount plates?  It's been a
while since I've been under one, but I'd swear that my old Alpine's
transmission mounted in that area on some raised plates like those.  Am I
way off track here???

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE


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From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 11 01:23:37 2010
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:23:37 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
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Hi Al,


the 2 brackets you have tape on are the fixing  points for the Alpine 
gearbox mounting plate.

regards


Jeff



In message <8F4EFBC933464F49B5A6B63FB3B57451 at student2>, Thomas Witt 
<atwittsend at verizon.net> writes
>>>> Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, 
>>>>with  the blue tape, might be for? <<<
>
>Al, Not sure what the two pieces are, but they were on my Tiger too 
>(early #101).
>
>It looks like you have your work cut out for you. All the best.
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From musta32188 at msn.com  Mon Oct 11 04:39:21 2010
From: musta32188 at msn.com (Phillip Daniel Silk)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:39:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
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Al:

Where did you get your rotisserie for the Tiger restoration, and what
attachment points are you using?  The photos make it look like you've used the
bumper attachment points.

I am about to put my Tiger up for the same purpose, and I'd love to hear any
suggestions or ideas you have.

Thanks.

Dan


On Oct 10, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Al Fudge wrote:

> Listers,
>
>
>
> I have finally removed 98% of the undercoating on my Tiger.  If youre
> interested you can see what is underneath all the undercoating at
> http://picasaweb/google.com/allfudge1635
>
>
>
> Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, with the
> blue tape, might be for?  The car was fitted with an automatic, but nothing
> was attached to these pieces.  I dont recall seeing them in any other
Tiger
> that I have seen the bottom of.
>
>
>
> Al Fudge
>
> B9471635
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 11 08:45:10 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:45:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question
In-Reply-To: <52C9B5EECCE14EC5905B93CB77FD22D4@JPC>
Message-ID: <F81CCBF8B7404EBEB17EA830C4354E71@ronpc1>

Jim
	If you look at the wire diagram in the Shop manual you will see that
the ammeter has a WR wire from Vreg B terminal to the ammeter and an N wire,
brown, from the ammeter to the starter relay.   Without the ammeter you have
just an N wire from the B terminal to the starter relay.  It all depends on
how original you want to be according to the shop manual diagram.

The NY wire is at the Vreg D terminal to the generator and the Ignition
warning light.

The different wire colors all have a meaning in the wire harness; here is
one discussion on the subject.

http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9919

N, brown indicates battery voltage
B, black is ground
And so on.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of James Lindner
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:17 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question


Hi All,

I am wiring up my ammeter and I had a question regarding the color/gauge of
the wire. The Wiring Diagram for the MkI shows the color of the wire as
brown for the connection to the voltage regulator (vreg) and the starter
solenoid. It also has the connection to the vreg going to the B terminal.

The Under Dash Wiring Diagram from C.A.T. shows the the color of the wire to
the vreg as brown/yellow and going to the A terminal.

Which is correct?

Also, does anybody know where to find brown and/or brown/yellow wire. I have
tried all the usual auto parts places with no luck. Online sources want you
to buy reels of at least a hundred feet. The one place I thought would
work...Britishwiring.com has a web site I can not seem to access.

Finally what gauge wire do I need?

As always...Thanks.

Jim Lindner
B9470033
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 11 09:47:41 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:47:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger engine study
Message-ID: <D0BBF69411F84D39867DF46B5023828D@ronpc1>

    There have been a number of threads about survivor cars and restorations
on the list so it's time again for my semi- annual request for engine
information.

I'm conducting a study of the Original Tiger Engine Configuration with
respect to Ford casting numbers and casting date codes.   If you have an
original Tiger engine or know someone who does I would like to see that
information.   I have many gaps in the information that I would like to
confirm and/ or correct.

Contact me off list for the engine information I'm studying also if you have
casting numbers and date codes you would like deciphered I will gladly help
with that too.

I would really like to hear from anyone with an early B19KC engine, the ones
painted black.   I have little information about this first build of B19KC
engines.

Thanks

Ron Fraser

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 10:08:29 2010
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:08:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP15314FB2AE21001F586DBD48B530@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTikQFyqMs4SHCoiGHb=HsxKWFc543T-++APketUC@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP15314FB2AE21001F586DBD48B530@phx.gbl>
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Dan,

I purchased an Auto Twirler (see their add in Hemmings or online).  I bought
the smaller one for lighter cars.  It is very ssturdy. Be sure to get the
hydraulic jak option, amkes it a lot easier to mount and dismount the
shell.  I posted pictures of the attachments I made and a commentary about
most of the pictures on the same website as my last set of pictures.

http://picasaweb.google.com/allfudge1635
I don't have a machine shop at home to do any fancy fabrication, thus the
unistrut and flat plates for the mounting brackets.

Al
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Phillip Daniel Silk <musta32188 at msn.com>wrote:

> Al:
>
> Where did you get your rotisserie for the Tiger restoration, and what
> attachment points are you using?  The photos make it look like you've used
> the bumper attachment points.
>
> I am about to put my Tiger up for the same purpose, and I'd love to hear
> any suggestions or ideas you have.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Al Fudge wrote:
>
> > Listers,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have finally removed 98% of the undercoating on my Tiger.  If you re
> > interested you can see what is underneath all the undercoating at
> > http://picasaweb/google.com/allfudge1635
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, with the
> > blue tape, might be for?  The car was fitted with an automatic, but
> nothing
> > was attached to these pieces.  I don t recall seeing them in any other
> Tiger
> > that I have seen the bottom of.
> >
> >
> >
> > Al Fudge
> >
> > B9471635
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 10:23:14 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:23:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2oW3bEuGofe3LWKbCMOc7Dsh75XTqQjwsiZYi@mail.gmail.com>
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	<BLU0-SMTP15314FB2AE21001F586DBD48B530@phx.gbl>
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Tigers, Dan, Al

I used the Auto Twirler (which is in my garage taking up space...) with the
flat faced mounts to which we welded square tube to go into the jack holes
and cut bolt holes to go into the bumper mounts. Cutting the angles was a
bit tricky, and one had to be re-done after the body was straightened  but
it worked well. The jack holes are angled up and inboard, so once secured
the car is solidly mounted; the bolts keep it that way.

There's been some discussion here in the past about the jack holes being a
weak mounting point. Given that the design was built to raise the car on one
side with the engine installed I have to say they're strong enough to do the
job safely with the body naked.

One thing: before you lift the car - assuming the doors have been removed -
BE SURE TO BRACE THE DOOR OPENINGS. The last thing you want is to have the
body collapse, even a little bit.

Tom

' 67 Tiger being reborn

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dan,
>
> I purchased an Auto Twirler (see their add in Hemmings or online).  I
> bought
> the smaller one for lighter cars.  It is very ssturdy. Be sure to get the
> hydraulic jak option, amkes it a lot easier to mount and dismount the
> shell.  I posted pictures of the attachments I made and a commentary about
> most of the pictures on the same website as my last set of pictures.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/allfudge1635
> I don't have a machine shop at home to do any fancy fabrication, thus the
> unistrut and flat plates for the mounting brackets.
>
> Al
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Phillip Daniel Silk <musta32188 at msn.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Al:
> >
> > Where did you get your rotisserie for the Tiger restoration, and what
> > attachment points are you using?  The photos make it look like you've
> used
> > the bumper attachment points.
> >
> > I am about to put my Tiger up for the same purpose, and I'd love to hear
> > any suggestions or ideas you have.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > On Oct 10, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Al Fudge wrote:
> >
> > > Listers,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have finally removed 98% of the undercoating on my Tiger.  If you re
> > > interested you can see what is underneath all the undercoating at
> > > http://picasaweb/google.com/allfudge1635
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, with
> the
> > > blue tape, might be for?  The car was fitted with an automatic, but
> > nothing
> > > was attached to these pieces.  I don t recall seeing them in any other
> > Tiger
> > > that I have seen the bottom of.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Al Fudge
> > >
> > > B9471635
> > > _______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 11 10:30:33 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:30:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2oW3bEuGofe3LWKbCMOc7Dsh75XTqQjwsiZYi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C925C88B8BCC4B47924104A341694F75@ronpc1>

To all
	For whatever reason I can't load these pictures so some general
comments.

Always be careful where you mount the rotisserie; the bumper bolt area is
not the strongest place to mount, the front suspension 4 bolts is better as
is the rear spring perches if they are not cracked.

Always leave the doors in place or make triangle door substitutes; the body
can bend or twist if you leave the door space open and unsupported for too
long.

Always work safely.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Al Fudge
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 12:08 PM
To: Phillip Daniel Silk; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Progress


Dan,

I purchased an Auto Twirler (see their add in Hemmings or online).  I bought
the smaller one for lighter cars.  It is very ssturdy. Be sure to get the
hydraulic jak option, amkes it a lot easier to mount and dismount the shell.
I posted pictures of the attachments I made and a commentary about most of
the pictures on the same website as my last set of pictures.

http://picasaweb.google.com/allfudge1635
I don't have a machine shop at home to do any fancy fabrication, thus the
unistrut and flat plates for the mounting brackets.

Al
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Phillip Daniel Silk
<musta32188 at msn.com>wrote:

> Al:
>
> Where did you get your rotisserie for the Tiger restoration, and what
> attachment points are you using?  The photos make it look like you've
> used the bumper attachment points.
>
> I am about to put my Tiger up for the same purpose, and I'd love to
> hear any suggestions or ideas you have.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Al Fudge wrote:
>
> > Listers,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have finally removed 98% of the undercoating on my Tiger.  If you
> > re interested you can see what is underneath all the undercoating at
> > http://picasaweb/google.com/allfudge1635
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel,
> > with the blue tape, might be for?  The car was fitted with an
> > automatic, but
> nothing
> > was attached to these pieces.  I don t recall seeing them in any
> > other
> Tiger
> > that I have seen the bottom of.
> >
> >
> >
> > Al Fudge
> >
> > B9471635
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 10:32:14 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:32:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners - Body Painting
Message-ID: <590966.44999.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dave Wrote:
Remember when repainting,
the area behind the strip is  black not
body
color. In fact the whole area
behind the grill aurraond  is black.  A
mistake
most painters fix.  Rumor is
this area  was not spray painted but hand
brush painted.  Marketing wanted  the
chrome cross bars to appear
to be
floating in a black area.  The same
marketers had the rockers of
the MK II
painted black under the  chrome stide
strips under the stripes
Marketing felt
the effect would  make the MK IIs to
look  lower.

Dave

Does anyone have a
picture of this area behind grill around that is suppose to 
be painted
black?  Is gloss black the correct color?  Are there any other areas 
that are
NOT suppose to be painted body color?

Also does anyone know what size is the
hole before rubber grommet is in place 
for the 2 heater core hoses thru the
firewall is suppose to be?

Any other words of wisdom that can be garnered
that should be done before 
painting a 1966 MK1A?

Tiger engineering panhard
rods and chassis kits have been welded in with all 
'metal' holes repaired by
cutting out and welding in new metal.  PPG40 rust 
primer competed after
portions of the car and underbody was sand blasted.  Doors 
and hood was not
sandblasted but hand stripped. Next is the primer coat, this 
week,  and final
blocking being completed so now is the time for anything I 
might be missing
before final primer coat then paint.  Front cross member 
reinforced welds
also being done.

Thanks in advance.

Joel Martin

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 11:49:52 2010
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:49:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Progress
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2-y3Vvvp40YtZnmX0SmAeA0qthgcbEe4frBpL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikQFyqMs4SHCoiGHb=HsxKWFc543T-++APketUC@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP15314FB2AE21001F586DBD48B530@phx.gbl>
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Listers,



That is a good point about the door braces.  I fashioned mine out of a
length of 1 black iron pipe and two pieces of = all thread rod, one left
hand thread and one right hand thread.  I welded nuts into the ends of the
pipe and attached it to brackets I fabbed and connected to the door frame.



Al



From: Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941 at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Al Fudge
Cc: Phillip Daniel Silk; Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Progress



Tigers, Dan, Al

I used the Auto Twirler (which is in my garage taking up space...) with the
flat faced mounts to which we welded square tube to go into the jack holes
and cut bolt holes to go into the bumper mounts. Cutting the angles was a
bit tricky, and one had to be re-done after the body was straightened  but
it worked well. The jack holes are angled up and inboard, so once secured
the car is solidly mounted; the bolts keep it that way.

There's been some discussion here in the past about the jack holes being a
weak mounting point. Given that the design was built to raise the car on one
side with the engine installed I have to say they're strong enough to do the
job safely with the body naked.

One thing: before you lift the car - assuming the doors have been removed -
BE SURE TO BRACE THE DOOR OPENINGS. The last thing you want is to have the
body collapse, even a little bit.

Tom

' 67 Tiger being reborn

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dan,

I purchased an Auto Twirler (see their add in Hemmings or online).  I bought
the smaller one for lighter cars.  It is very ssturdy. Be sure to get the
hydraulic jak option, amkes it a lot easier to mount and dismount the
shell.  I posted pictures of the attachments I made and a commentary about
most of the pictures on the same website as my last set of pictures.

http://picasaweb.google.com/allfudge1635
I don't have a machine shop at home to do any fancy fabrication, thus the
unistrut and flat plates for the mounting brackets.

Al
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Phillip Daniel Silk
<musta32188 at msn.com>wrote:

> Al:
>
> Where did you get your rotisserie for the Tiger restoration, and what
> attachment points are you using?  The photos make it look like you've used
> the bumper attachment points.
>
> I am about to put my Tiger up for the same purpose, and I'd love to hear
> any suggestions or ideas you have.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Al Fudge wrote:
>
> > Listers,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have finally removed 98% of the undercoating on my Tiger.  If you re
> > interested you can see what is underneath all the undercoating at
> > http://picasaweb/google.com/allfudge1635
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have an idea what the two pieces of metal in the tunnel, with
the
> > blue tape, might be for?  The car was fitted with an automatic, but
> nothing
> > was attached to these pieces.  I don t recall seeing them in any other
> Tiger
> > that I have seen the bottom of.
> >
> >
> >
> > Al Fudge
> >
> > B9471635
> > _______________________________________________
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From rande at thecia.net  Mon Oct 11 13:54:50 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:54:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] black and core hole size
Message-ID: <4cb36b8a.5f80.0@thecia.net>

I just returned from the Maine United 2010, and during the concours, I looked
at one car that was painted black behind the lower grille moulding. It looked
 like satin black(not gloss black), and I remember reading that the front of
the core support and the area behind the top eyebrow moulding(inside, in other
words) was supposed to be black. I would verify both pieces of info with Norm
or Patrick King.

As for the hole for the two heater hoses, I measured 1 1/8 inch diameter (28.575mm)
without the grommet installed, and you probably know that Rick is listing the
grommets in his online catalog, under Grommets for the bulkhead.

RB

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Oct 11 15:05:26 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:05:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the Maine United
Message-ID: <4cb37c16.67fe.0@thecia.net>

Where to start. If you clicked on Stu Brennan's photos, you got a taste.

I'm working on a medium size list of folks to thank, but here's a very brief
outline of neat stuff, in no particular order. 14 cars were TAC'd, one guy drove
down from Quebec City, had his car inspected, and then immediately went back
north. Four of his Montreal friends(and Tiger owners) came down and stayed.
These guys are crazy. I couldn't decide whether to commit the lot of them, or
to move to MTL myself, sort of like four Peter Thompson's, if you can picture
that. Loads of fun.

Three extremely nice Alpine Series III's. Anthony and Susan DiBattista's car
is now Tiger Tom's son-in-laws ride. You east coasters know the car. It's the
one where someones pen slipped when they were filling out the order sheet, and
the "give me everything" box was inadvertantly checked off. Chrome wire wheels,
white walls, hardtop, GT version, and so bright red that you really should wear
welders goggles if you're going to stare at it for any length of time. And,
Fred Baum's beautiful red SIII was next to it at the concours, if your eyes
were still functional.

Of course, Tigers outnumbered everything else. Because it was only about a four
hour drive from Boston, we got IIRC one Tiger Mk1 and a couple of Mk1A's that
you could consider survivor cars in veritable showroom fettle, from families
that don't usually make it to far away Uniteds(David Twombly and Dana Freeman,
correct me if I'm off base). Bob Webb brought his pristine '69?  white Rapier,
Kevin Reid came in a really nice early 60's Rapier, and Nick Kinter showed off
his gray Imp, both in the autocross and the concours.

The site itself for both the autocross and the concours(Owls Head Transportation
Museum) is a antique auto and airplane museum on the fringes of the Knox County
airport, near the coast. Biplanes and corporate jets shared the air space during
both of our events

For now, thanks to everyone. It was a super time.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 11 15:13:24 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:13:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners - Body Painting
In-Reply-To: <590966.44999.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <58FD0D9DA84A4C0197003EFD13DC1554@ronpc1>

Joel 
	I masked off from the centerlines of the upper and lower finisher
fastener holes and painted everything back gloss black.   I have seen a
couple Tigers where the black looked more satin black or even flatter then
that.  It really gets hard to tell if it is original weathered paint or
something else.   I don't know exactly what shade of black is original.

Gloss Black was my personal choice at that time.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Joel Martin
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 12:32 PM
To: Tiger List Serve
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Grill Finisher Fasteners - Body Painting


Dave Wrote:
Remember when repainting,
the area behind the strip is  black not
body
color. In fact the whole area
behind the grill aurraond  is black.  A
mistake
most painters fix.  Rumor is
this area  was not spray painted but hand
brush painted.  Marketing wanted  the
chrome cross bars to appear
to be
floating in a black area.  The same
marketers had the rockers of
the MK II
painted black under the  chrome stide
strips under the stripes
Marketing felt
the effect would  make the MK IIs to
look  lower.

Dave

Does anyone have a
picture of this area behind grill around that is suppose to 
be painted
black?  Is gloss black the correct color?  Are there any other areas 
that are
NOT suppose to be painted body color?

Also does anyone know what size is the
hole before rubber grommet is in place 
for the 2 heater core hoses thru the
firewall is suppose to be?

Any other words of wisdom that can be garnered
that should be done before 
painting a 1966 MK1A?

Tiger engineering panhard
rods and chassis kits have been welded in with all 
'metal' holes repaired by
cutting out and welding in new metal.  PPG40 rust 
primer competed after
portions of the car and underbody was sand blasted.  Doors 
and hood was not
sandblasted but hand stripped. Next is the primer coat, this 
week,  and final
blocking being completed so now is the time for anything I 
might be missing
before final primer coat then paint.  Front cross member 
reinforced welds
also being done.

Thanks in advance.

Joel Martin
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From denismercier at telvic.net  Mon Oct 11 17:38:49 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:38:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the Maine United
References: <4cb37c16.67fe.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <6F2E67FB028948B6AEF835B591FF080C@D7F0WHF1>

Hi Rande.
I'm the guy from Quebec City who immediately went back north, i went back 
because my wife was sick ............%$?&*"%?$&*$%"&?*.
Anyway, thanks to the organiser, it was a good time i was in Maine. My 
friends from Montreal are crazy.....Yes.......
               Regards !
               Denis Mercier
               Quibec City
               B382000926LRXFE
               TAC # 861


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 5:05 PM
Subject: [Tigers] the Maine United


> Where to start. If you clicked on Stu Brennan's photos, you got a taste.
>
> I'm working on a medium size list of folks to thank, but here's a very 
> brief
> outline of neat stuff, in no particular order. 14 cars were TAC'd, one guy 
> drove
> down from Quebec City, had his car inspected, and then immediately went 
> back
> north. Four of his Montreal friends(and Tiger owners) came down and 
> stayed.
> These guys are crazy. I couldn't decide whether to commit the lot of them, 
> or
> to move to MTL myself, sort of like four Peter Thompson's, if you can 
> picture
> that. Loads of fun.
>
> Three extremely nice Alpine Series III's. Anthony and Susan DiBattista's 
> car
> is now Tiger Tom's son-in-laws ride. You east coasters know the car. It's 
> the
> one where someones pen slipped when they were filling out the order sheet, 
> and
> the "give me everything" box was inadvertantly checked off. Chrome wire 
> wheels,
> white walls, hardtop, GT version, and so bright red that you really should 
> wear
> welders goggles if you're going to stare at it for any length of time. 
> And,
> Fred Baum's beautiful red SIII was next to it at the concours, if your 
> eyes
> were still functional.
>
> Of course, Tigers outnumbered everything else. Because it was only about a 
> four
> hour drive from Boston, we got IIRC one Tiger Mk1 and a couple of Mk1A's 
> that
> you could consider survivor cars in veritable showroom fettle, from 
> families
> that don't usually make it to far away Uniteds(David Twombly and Dana 
> Freeman,
> correct me if I'm off base). Bob Webb brought his pristine '69?  white 
> Rapier,
> Kevin Reid came in a really nice early 60's Rapier, and Nick Kinter showed 
> off
> his gray Imp, both in the autocross and the concours.
>
> The site itself for both the autocross and the concours(Owls Head 
> Transportation
> Museum) is a antique auto and airplane museum on the fringes of the Knox 
> County
> airport, near the coast. Biplanes and corporate jets shared the air space 
> during
> both of our events
>
> For now, thanks to everyone. It was a super time.
> _______________________________________________
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Tue Oct 12 06:21:10 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:21:10 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
Message-ID: <8f53.3b57d43a.39e5acb6@aol.com>

MOPAR --  Made Of Plastic And Rubber
 
DODGE -- Drips Oil Drops Grease Everywhere
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 10/7/2010 11:10:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
marcsmall at comcast.net writes:

At 09:48  PM 10/7/2010, Tom Parker wrote:

>On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM,  Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
>>I'm  sure most Mopar guys consider
>> "Ford" to
>> be one of  those obscene 4-letter words.

Ask any GM or MoPar guy:  Ford  means:

Found on Road Dead
F***ing old rebuilt Dodge

While the  Ford guys would respond

First on Race Day

and would claim  that

GMC meant Generally Maintain Carefully

and that AMC meant  ALWAYS maintain carefully.

Just some slangin' from back in the  longago.

No one has yet, to my knowledge, come up with a similar quip  about 
Chrysler.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir  gun ghr`s  fir!
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Tue Oct 12 06:37:58 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:37:58 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] the Maine United
Message-ID: <9d2a.67b2e5b9.39e5b0a6@aol.com>

Just as a matter of accuracy, the red Series III Alpine next to the Alpine  
GT belongs to Richard Fritz, my long time friend and Sunbeam enthusiast.
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 10/11/2010 5:05:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rande at thecia.net writes:

Three  extremely nice Alpine Series III's. Anthony and Susan DiBattista's 
car
is  now Tiger Tom's son-in-laws ride. You east coasters know the car. It's  
the
one where someones pen slipped when they were filling out the order  sheet, 
and
the "give me everything" box was inadvertantly checked off.  Chrome wire 
wheels,
white walls, hardtop, GT version, and so bright red  that you really should 
wear
welders goggles if you're going to stare at it  for any length of time. And,
Fred Baum's beautiful red SIII was next to it  at the concours, if your eyes
were still  functional.

From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Oct 12 07:59:27 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:59:27 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Muffler Insulation
In-Reply-To: <9d2a.67b2e5b9.39e5b0a6@aol.com>
References: <9d2a.67b2e5b9.39e5b0a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7D508A07F9D54A778CFA1133D5FBD1E0@DavePC>

I had an interesting adventure on the way home from the TE/AE Meet in Maine 
yesterday - about 100 miles into the roughly 500 mile trip the engine 
developed a persistent and very strong "miss", that felt like either a 
plugged primary jet in the carb or an ignition fault. I have an MSD Pro 
Billet distributor installed, with about 2500 miles on it since 
installation.

At the next fuel stop after the miss developed, I put some gasline 
antifreeze in the tank, in the chance it was water in the gas. No change. At 
the next fillup, I put in some "fuel system" cleaner, also no change. The 
engine missed mightily under load, but there was a bit of a smooth spot 
around 3200 rpm (65 mph) so I kept it in that range.

When I got home (I did make it!) I removed the distributor cap and behold - 
the carbon center electrode ( the little button that makes contact with the 
rotor spring) had broken off just inside its retainer in the cap. The rotor 
button had been receiving the high tension impulse through the gap that had 
developed when the carbon rod contact had broken off. The spring normally 
has a shiny spot where the button contacts the spring. Not in this case - 
the spring had a dull matt finish where the spark had been jumping the gap.

If you don't have something to fix on your trip its always a dull trip!

The meet was a huge success - a chance to put faces to names, checked out 
some absolutely fabulous cars, took a ride up and down the coast in a WACO 
bi-plane, ate lobster until it was coming out our ears, got our Tiger TAC'ed 
and generally had a fantastic time. Kudos to all our friends in Maine and 
the TE/AE organizing committee - you did a fabulous job - Thanks!

Dave Munroe
B382000450LRXFE 

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 09:58:49 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:58:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] British Wiring
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLy8oGgz5dw6K-vkGm4HnYXJfwB2cGjOQVJf71@mail.gmail.com>

This came up last week, the link to BritishWiring.com is dead.

I spoke to Josh at BW today; they're in the throes of internet
consolidation, and their website is temporarily out of service. No idea when
they'll be back up.

The good news is they're still in business. They can be reached at
1-866-461-9050 or by e-mail at britishwiring at ameritech.net. A pdf copy if
their catalog is available by e-mail for the asking.

Tom
' 67 Mark 2 being reborn

From barncobob at aol.com  Tue Oct 12 11:30:48 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tiger on tv
Message-ID: <8CD384A57DC9542-17A8-913@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>

anyone catch the Barrett-Jackson 1 hour special from 2010 showing just
shelbys. Carroll wasnt there but they were interviewing him inside his
warehouse and behind him was a gaggle of shelbys, all types.
When he was talking right behind his head was his favorite car, a blue cobra
with gold stripes..
guess what was directly next to it........................good guess, a red
tiger..

From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Oct 12 12:16:32 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:16:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] British Wiring
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLy8oGgz5dw6K-vkGm4HnYXJfwB2cGjOQVJf71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101012141632.QC1AE.416667.imail@eastrmwml41>

Thanks for the info, Tom.  I've found that "British Wiring" is absolutely the best place of it's kind out there for us.  I'm glad to hear that they're still in business.  Don't forget to support them, everybody!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

---- Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> This came up last week, the link to BritishWiring.com is dead.
> 
> I spoke to Josh at BW today; they're in the throes of internet
> consolidation, and their website is temporarily out of service. No idea when
> they'll be back up.
> 
> The good news is they're still in business. They can be reached at
> 1-866-461-9050 or by e-mail at britishwiring at ameritech.net. A pdf copy if
> their catalog is available by e-mail for the asking.
> 
> Tom
> ' 67 Mark 2 being reborn
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 13:24:30 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:24:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Early Mark 2 Tigers
Message-ID: <AANLkTimXqYTMHVgbJbAerVxf17XRrWmBPqHGMhcRvtzF@mail.gmail.com>

This is for the historians in the group:

I own B382100105LRXFE. Production Mark 2 Serial Numbers began with
B382100100; there were two prototypes built, B38210001 & 0002.

So far my car is the earliest known Mark 2 based on the list on Norm's site
of un-T.A.C.'d known Tigers. (Norm has apparently disabled the list; When I
click on the "proper spot" nothing happens anymore.) The car is not
completely T.A.C.'d yet, but I'm comfortable it's an original.

So, here's the question: Where did Serial Numbers 100 thru 104 go? Did they
come here? Europe? One of the colonies?

I'm not looking for specifics, just a general idea where the cars were
delivered.

Any help or information will be greatly appreciated.

Tom

' 67 Mark 2 being reborn

From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 12 13:53:11 2010
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:53:11 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] More Re. the Sunbeam Link....
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6nRJ-GwHDDmoV1RyYddD2_2iSE7DaBKSU1ybp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C3CC529A16E43B3893AC1F519C061F8@ronpc1>
	<647757.75159.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTin6nRJ-GwHDDmoV1RyYddD2_2iSE7DaBKSU1ybp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TksXtDNnyLtMFwT3@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

Hi michael,

We could also consider:

T otally
I  nvigorating
G iant
E ngined
R oadster

A lternative
L imeyland
P roduced
I  mport
N icely
E xecuted


:-)

Jeff






In message 
<AANLkTin6nRJ-GwHDDmoV1RyYddD2_2iSE7DaBKSU1ybp at mail.gmail.com>, michael 
king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> writes
>Alpine = Always Limps Past In Neutral Expiring
>Tiger = Turns In Great Exits Rear-facing!
>
>somewhat appropriate?
>
>On 11 October 2010 11:36, Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Notice there is nothing for Sunbeams!
>>
>> All right, who out there can come with the best one for Sunbeam, Tiger,
>> Alpine, Hillman, MInx, Rapier, etc?
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This covers just about all of them including Chrysler.
>>
>> http://www.dkgoodman.com/carinitl.html
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>
>

-- 
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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 14:14:47 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger on tv
In-Reply-To: <8CD384A57DC9542-17A8-913@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD384A57DC9542-17A8-913@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B1CDADA2-7686-4063-BC8C-88A440AF7485@gmail.com>

A fellow lister and tiger owner has told me that Carroll personally told him
that he loves Tigers, and they work great until it's time to turn one. (and I
believe his wife owns and drives one) I know the amount of true Shelby
involvement has undergone alot of criticism but nevertheless I think he is a
fan.

Cullen

Sent from my mobile...

On Oct 12, 2010, at 12:30 PM, barncobob at aol.com wrote:

> anyone catch the Barrett-Jackson 1 hour special from 2010 showing just
> shelbys. Carroll wasnt there but they were interviewing him inside his
> warehouse and behind him was a gaggle of shelbys, all types.
> When he was talking right behind his head was his favorite car, a blue
cobra
> with gold stripes..
> guess what was directly next to it........................good guess, a red
> tiger..

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Oct 12 17:41:39 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:41:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] British Wiring
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLy8oGgz5dw6K-vkGm4HnYXJfwB2cGjOQVJf71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83BE26067F4A414FBADFBD731802E852@ronpc1>

I just opened BritishWiring.com so they must be back up.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:59 AM
To: LIST TIGER; britishwiring at ameritech.net
Subject: [Tigers] British Wiring


This came up last week, the link to BritishWiring.com is dead.

I spoke to Josh at BW today; they're in the throes of internet
consolidation, and their website is temporarily out of service. No idea when
they'll be back up.

The good news is they're still in business. They can be reached at
1-866-461-9050 or by e-mail at britishwiring at ameritech.net. A pdf copy if
their catalog is available by e-mail for the asking.

Tom
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From rande at thecia.net  Tue Oct 12 17:50:28 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:50:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] BW
Message-ID: <4cb4f444.24b7.0@thecia.net>

Another pleased customer with a British Wiring  complete harness.

RB

From allanballard at att.net  Tue Oct 12 18:29:43 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:29:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger engine study
In-Reply-To: <D0BBF69411F84D39867DF46B5023828D@ronpc1>
References: <D0BBF69411F84D39867DF46B5023828D@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <33BA6607-A36E-4F96-B51F-9CD56C028CB5@att.net>

Where on the engine is the info located--is it visible without lifting the
engine?

Allan Ballard
<still on the road home from the United>


On Oct 11, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:

>    There have been a number of threads about survivor cars and restorations
> on the list so it's time again for my semi- annual request for engine
> information.
>
> I'm conducting a study of the Original Tiger Engine Configuration with
> respect to Ford casting numbers and casting date codes.   If you have an
> original Tiger engine or know someone who does I would like to see that
> information.   I have many gaps in the information that I would like to
> confirm and/ or correct.
>
> Contact me off list for the engine information I'm studying also if you
have
> casting numbers and date codes you would like deciphered I will gladly help
> with that too.
>
> I would really like to hear from anyone with an early B19KC engine, the
ones
> painted black.   I have little information about this first build of B19KC
> engines.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron Fraser
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Tue Oct 12 19:40:46 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Back Home Safe from Maine
In-Reply-To: <33BA6607-A36E-4F96-B51F-9CD56C028CB5@att.net>
References: <D0BBF69411F84D39867DF46B5023828D@ronpc1>
	<33BA6607-A36E-4F96-B51F-9CD56C028CB5@att.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb6a77$a8e82630$fab87290$@rr.com>

I just got back to my home about an hour ago. Two days, 1627 miles and 28
hours on the road.

I am very proud to say that the 3254 miles I covered to the show and back
were without any mechanical issues what so ever. The mosquito at the show
does not count. It's amazing that the 44 year old car did so well. The car
averaged just over 19 MPG too.

A thanks to all who organized a FANTASTIC event. I had a great time and it
is the best show I have ever attended. It was great seeing some old friends
and having the opportunity to meet new ones.

Time for a shower and hit the rack. I'll wash the car in the morning.

PS - still dumbfounded that I got first place in Personalized Class......who
would have thought.

Duke
B382002037

From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Oct 12 19:54:19 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:54:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Back Home Safe from Maine
In-Reply-To: <000001cb6a77$a8e82630$fab87290$@rr.com>
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	<000001cb6a77$a8e82630$fab87290$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <27A580E7D89045EB9AA5B81BA3FED53F@awtigerPC>

Congrats, Duke!!!  Glad you and your Tiger made it home safe and sound!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:40 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Back Home Safe from Maine


>I just got back to my home about an hour ago. Two days, 1627 miles and 28
> hours on the road.
>
> I am very proud to say that the 3254 miles I covered to the show and back
> were without any mechanical issues what so ever. The mosquito at the show
> does not count. It's amazing that the 44 year old car did so well. The car
> averaged just over 19 MPG too.
>
> A thanks to all who organized a FANTASTIC event. I had a great time and it
> is the best show I have ever attended. It was great seeing some old 
> friends
> and having the opportunity to meet new ones.
>
> Time for a shower and hit the rack. I'll wash the car in the morning.
>
> PS - still dumbfounded that I got first place in Personalized 
> Class......who
> would have thought.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Oct 12 22:46:08 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:46:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 2008 La Carrera Panamericana Tiger?
Message-ID: <8A98AB5537A64DAFAC16E9319D79CA25@student2>

The link below is to and article about the 2008 La Carrera Panamericana.
http://funksterwtf.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html
  About 80% of the way down the lengthy page is a crashed Sunbeam with the 
caption "What was once a beautiful Sunbeam Tiger." Anyone know the story on 
this Sunbeam and if it is a real Tiger?  I stumbled upon it by accident.
Thanks, Tom

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 00:54:54 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:54:54 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] 2008 La Carrera Panamericana Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <8A98AB5537A64DAFAC16E9319D79CA25@student2>
References: <8A98AB5537A64DAFAC16E9319D79CA25@student2>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPASGWvSEYHp3mPCLCR0Vn+QaytA2GXg+2zPQA@mail.gmail.com>

IIRC that car later appeared on ebay... driver had survived.. car not so..
there was a youtube video later of someone pushing the shell around with a
forklift after they bought it.. quite sad.

On 13 October 2010 15:46, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:

> The link below is to and article about the 2008 La Carrera Panamericana.
> http://funksterwtf.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html
>  About 80% of the way down the lengthy page is a crashed Sunbeam with the
> caption "What was once a beautiful Sunbeam Tiger." Anyone know the story on
> this Sunbeam and if it is a real Tiger?  I stumbled upon it by accident.
> Thanks, Tom
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Michael King

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 07:15:01 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Early Mark 2 Tigers
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimXqYTMHVgbJbAerVxf17XRrWmBPqHGMhcRvtzF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimXqYTMHVgbJbAerVxf17XRrWmBPqHGMhcRvtzF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <357421.14496.qm@web111605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

According to Unclw Wally, the last 62 MK II's were shipped to
his Ohio
distributor.  Seems the ship arrived in Newark with
62 Tigers.  He shipped 32
to his Ohio distributor.  The Distributor
then offered to swap Simcas for the
remainign 30 Tigers.  Thats
why there are several MK II in the Ohio area.
Anyone interested in vintage Simcas may want to start looking there.

Dave
________________________________
From: Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>
To:
LIST TIGER <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 3:24:30 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Early Mark 2 Tigers

This is for the historians in the
group:

I own B382100105LRXFE. Production Mark 2 Serial Numbers began with
B382100100; there were two prototypes built, B38210001 & 0002.

So far my car
is the earliest known Mark 2 based on the list on Norm's site
of un-T.A.C.'d
known Tigers. (Norm has apparently disabled the list; When I
click on the
"proper spot" nothing happens anymore.) The car is not
completely T.A.C.'d
yet, but I'm comfortable it's an original.

So, here's the question: Where did
Serial Numbers 100 thru 104 go? Did they
come here? Europe? One of the
colonies?

I'm not looking for specifics, just a general idea where the cars
were
delivered.

Any help or information will be greatly appreciated.

Tom

'
67 Mark 2 being reborn
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct 13 07:19:16 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:19:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] TE/AE United
Message-ID: <4CB5B1D4.2040107@roadrunner.com>

  Thanks to all who have expressed their positive feelings about the 
United this past weekend.  The organizing team worked long and hard to 
put on the best event we could and appreciate all the help from those 
who pitched in.  I was overwhelmed by the willingness to help and the 
cooperation of everyone.  My wife, Merrilee, and I have now helped 
organize two Uniteds, the first in Kingston, NY in 1982 (IIRC) and now 
Rockland, ME this year.  I promise I will do another 28 years from now.

It was reported to us that someone lost a necklace at the Lobster Bake 
and was looking for it.  (You gotta be careful when you rip off the bib 
when you finish your lobstah!)  Unfortunately we did not get the owner's 
name and although we have found the necklace, we do not know who to 
return it to.  If anyone can identify the owner, please contact me off 
list.  Thanks.

Finally, it is my recollection that the black painted area behind the 
grill was painted with semi-gloss.  The guy who painted my car destroyed 
the original paint, but I am pretty sure my memory is correct.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 07:54:43 2010
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:54:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 2008 La Carrera Panamericana Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPASGWvSEYHp3mPCLCR0Vn+QaytA2GXg+2zPQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8A98AB5537A64DAFAC16E9319D79CA25@student2>
	<AANLkTikPASGWvSEYHp3mPCLCR0Vn+QaytA2GXg+2zPQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim4yBNnRznwbHzOwXmTqwafWL1_iVBAPSWKwE2i@mail.gmail.com>

That was my memory also. Listed for sale several times with severe damage
and no engine. Was purchased eventually and parted out.
On Oct 12, 2010 11:55 PM, "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:
> IIRC that car later appeared on ebay... driver had survived.. car not so..
> there was a youtube video later of someone pushing the shell around with a
> forklift after they bought it.. quite sad.
>
> On 13 October 2010 15:46, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> The link below is to and article about the 2008 La Carrera Panamericana.
>> http://funksterwtf.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html
>> About 80% of the way down the lengthy page is a crashed Sunbeam with the
>> caption "What was once a beautiful Sunbeam Tiger." Anyone know the story
on
>> this Sunbeam and if it is a real Tiger? I stumbled upon it by accident.
>> Thanks, Tom
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
> --
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>
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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 08:02:49 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:02:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] kinda tiger related - 73 Hillman "Tiger" on BaT?
Message-ID: <003d01cb6adf$52f46230$f8dd2690$@com>

Alright guys.just when I thought I was starting to understand the lineage, I
got this curve ball. So Chrysler buys Roote in the late 60's.67 or so right?
So they are calling this a Chrysler Tiger and when I read the posts by
readers at the bottom, I get mixed signals.it was marketed in different
regions as different things.but still the roots appear to go back to Rootes
at the end.

 

What gives?

 

Cullen

1452 LRO

From e.coiner at cox.net  Wed Oct 13 08:06:53 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 7:06:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Early Mark 2 Tigers
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimXqYTMHVgbJbAerVxf17XRrWmBPqHGMhcRvtzF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101013100653.E63B0.1272707.imail@fed1rmwml46>

I just went to Norms site , clicked on the appropriate place and was able to copy and paste the info below.

VIN SUF CITY STATE DATE TAC# 
B382100001 LRX Chesapeake VA 10/00   
B382100002 LRX Luzern SWIT 1/08   
B382100100* LRX*     5/91   
B382100101 LRX Council Bluffs IA 5/02   
B382100102*           
B382100103 LRX Frazier CA 9/01   
B382100104 LRX Gresham OR 5/04   
B382100105 LRX Atlanta GA 5/06   


So it looks like 100 and 102 are unaccounted for.  The others had a home at some point. They may have since been sold on.
Have you tried an inquiry to Norm for the original delivery destinations of these cars?

Erich

---- Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> This is for the historians in the group:
> 
> I own B382100105LRXFE. Production Mark 2 Serial Numbers began with
> B382100100; there were two prototypes built, B38210001 & 0002.
> 
> So far my car is the earliest known Mark 2 based on the list on Norm's site
> of un-T.A.C.'d known Tigers. (Norm has apparently disabled the list; When I
> click on the "proper spot" nothing happens anymore.) The car is not
> completely T.A.C.'d yet, but I'm comfortable it's an original.
> 
> So, here's the question: Where did Serial Numbers 100 thru 104 go? Did they
> come here? Europe? One of the colonies?
> 
> I'm not looking for specifics, just a general idea where the cars were
> delivered.
> 
> Any help or information will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Tom

From rande at thecia.net  Wed Oct 13 09:14:09 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:14:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the last Mk II's going to Wally
Message-ID: <4cb5ccc1.6421.0@thecia.net>

Hi,
Add to Erich's comments about the early Mark II's, and mine to Tom Parker about
info listed in the BON, I think it's highly unlikely that one Chrysler sales
office/ zone would make a blanket order for 62 or 32 of the very last Mark II's,
and I post this with full deference to Wally. I'd love to hear from Scooter
Patrick, one of the P.A.M dealer principals in Manhattan Beach, CA who sold
Mark II's, and whose dealer plate frame was featured in the Road&Track road
test how much demand there was at that time for Mark II's as production neared
the end.

There's also the issue of the supposedly last seven Mark II's left on the Southampton
docks that Alan Hartwell snapped up and sold, one going directly to a Canadian
dealer unchanged, and the six remaining being converted by Hartwell to RHD,
fitted with Minilite's, and sold in England. There's also at least one known
car (#626LRXFE) built as a Alpine V8 Mark II that went to Germany.

There is the issue of a comparably equipped '67 Mustang convertible  for around
$3,200 ( the Mark II was listed at about $3,800) and a comparably fitted base
Corvette convertible(with 327/300hp, four speed, hard top, AMFM, for around
$4,200 list and around $4,000 transaction price.

I met Wally several times, and I don't remember a single instance when he seemed
like a braggard, but unless Wally was the sole source to order Tigers for the
States(and knowing that Chrysler could have been downsizing distribution at
that time), a one time order of even 32 cars that sold in drabs is a tall one,
and we're quite sure that the distribution of Tiger Mark II's was scattered
throughout the States and Canada, with a handful going to Europe.

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 10:20:36 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:20:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the last Mk II's going to Wally
In-Reply-To: <4cb5ccc1.6421.0@thecia.net>
References: <4cb5ccc1.6421.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikE=N8txg72A0t6XJ-rv1MAhbD7W9GM4UrKYva-@mail.gmail.com>

And to add a bit more fuel to the fire...

We know this: The Mark 1A and the Mark 2 were the beneficiaries of
significant cost cutting efforts at Rootes, probably in an attempt to stay
in business. This also applies, I believe, to the Alpine Mark V. (I'll
probably stir up a hornet's nest by saying this...) Gone, for example, were
the color interiors, in (on the Mark 2) were trim "decals". The improvements
were the alternator and the 289 engine, but that was (I think) a matter of
necessity; Ford stopped making the 260.

Anyhow, the effort failed, they were bought by Chrysler, and the Tiger died.

It's hard to compare the Tiger to a Mustang. American cars of that time had
features only available in luxury foreign brands. Other than the steering
issues in the Tiger it was a much better handling car (in my opinion), and
quicker to boot. The Tigers competed in a different arena; it was the
ultimate British sports car; the Mustang was American muscle; great in a
straight line, barely adequate (again in my opinion) anywhere else. I'm
leaving out the Corvette here. The "Plasticar" is in a league of its own,
and well worth the additional money in the period when the Tigers were in
production.

Tom (who's hiding under the bed waiting for the uproar form the purists in
the group...)

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> Add to Erich's comments about the early Mark II's, and mine to Tom Parker
> about
> info listed in the BON, I think it's highly unlikely that one Chrysler
> sales
> office/ zone would make a blanket order for 62 or 32 of the very last Mark
> II's,
> and I post this with full deference to Wally. I'd love to hear from Scooter
> Patrick, one of the P.A.M dealer principals in Manhattan Beach, CA who sold
> Mark II's, and whose dealer plate frame was featured in the Road&Track road
> test how much demand there was at that time for Mark II's as production
> neared
> the end.
>
> There's also the issue of the supposedly last seven Mark II's left on the
> Southampton
> docks that Alan Hartwell snapped up and sold, one going directly to a
> Canadian
> dealer unchanged, and the six remaining being converted by Hartwell to RHD,
> fitted with Minilite's, and sold in England. There's also at least one
> known
> car (#626LRXFE) built as a Alpine V8 Mark II that went to Germany.
>
> There is the issue of a comparably equipped '67 Mustang convertible  for
> around
> $3,200 ( the Mark II was listed at about $3,800) and a comparably fitted
> base
> Corvette convertible(with 327/300hp, four speed, hard top, AMFM, for around
> $4,200 list and around $4,000 transaction price.
>
> I met Wally several times, and I don't remember a single instance when he
> seemed
> like a braggard, but unless Wally was the sole source to order Tigers for
> the
> States(and knowing that Chrysler could have been downsizing distribution at
> that time), a one time order of even 32 cars that sold in drabs is a tall
> one,
> and we're quite sure that the distribution of Tiger Mark II's was scattered
> throughout the States and Canada, with a handful going to Europe.
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 11:23:28 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:23:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] the last Mk II's going to Wally
In-Reply-To: <4cb5ccc1.6421.0@thecia.net>
References: <4cb5ccc1.6421.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <71921.74952.qm@web111613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Consider the competition.  A MKII with a 289 that overheadted
and had 13 in
wheels for $3800.  A 289 Mustang that offrered
auto, AC, power windows, owner
top, power steering. etc for
the about the same price and had dealerships
everywhere.

Also consider the Tiger II cost more than a big Healey 3000.
Dave




________________________________
From: rande <rande at thecia.net>
To:
djoh797014 at yahoo.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010
11:14:09 AM
Subject: re: the last Mk II's going to Wally


Hi,
Add to Erich's
comments about the early Mark II's, and mine to Tom Parker about
info listed
in the BON, I think it's highly unlikely that one Chrysler sales
office/ zone
would make a blanket order for 62 or 32 of the very last Mark II's,
and I post
this with full deference to Wally. I'd love to hear from Scooter
Patrick, one
of the P.A.M dealer principals in Manhattan Beach, CA who sold
Mark II's, and
whose dealer plate frame was featured in the Road&Track road
test how much
demand there was at that time for Mark II's as production neared
the end.
There's also the issue of the supposedly last seven Mark II's left on the
Southampton
docks that Alan Hartwell snapped up and sold, one going directly
to a Canadian
dealer unchanged, and the six remaining being converted by
Hartwell to RHD,
fitted with Minilite's, and sold in England. There's also at
least one known
car (#626LRXFE) built as a Alpine V8 Mark II that went to
Germany.

There is the issue of a comparably equipped '67 Mustang convertible 
for around
$3,200 ( the Mark II was listed at about $3,800) and a comparably
fitted base
Corvette convertible(with 327/300hp, four speed, hard top, AMFM,
for around
$4,200 list and around $4,000 transaction price.

I met Wally
several times, and I don't remember a single instance when he seemed
like a
braggard, but unless Wally was the sole source to order Tigers for the
States(and knowing that Chrysler could have been downsizing distribution at
that time), a one time order of even 32 cars that sold in drabs is a tall one,
and we're quite sure that the distribution of Tiger Mark II's was scattered
throughout the States and Canada, with a handful going to Europe.

From gabbardalex at att.net  Wed Oct 13 12:07:38 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPASGWvSEYHp3mPCLCR0Vn+QaytA2GXg+2zPQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8A98AB5537A64DAFAC16E9319D79CA25@student2>
	<AANLkTikPASGWvSEYHp3mPCLCR0Vn+QaytA2GXg+2zPQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <397375.52905.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I want to disassemble my Mk I shifter for re-chroming but can't figure out how 
to take the assembly apart so that the tubes are free to be polished and 
re-chromed. Anyone know how to do that? 

From gabbardalex at att.net  Wed Oct 13 13:03:08 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger paint and finish
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPASGWvSEYHp3mPCLCR0Vn+QaytA2GXg+2zPQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8A98AB5537A64DAFAC16E9319D79CA25@student2>
	<AANLkTikPASGWvSEYHp3mPCLCR0Vn+QaytA2GXg+2zPQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <283503.65154.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As of yesterday, my Mk I (B9471808) has been hulled out for restoration. It
was 
originally paint code 1 (black), subsequently painted white on the
exterior by a 
previous owner who did a quick put-together for quick sale,
having bought the 
car as divorce parting from an owner of two Tigers. I
bought the car in the 
mid-1970s, so I know it's history since. Evidence
points to this disassembly 
being the first for the car with no significant
body damage anywhere, as in 
wreck repair. 


Under the dash pad is gloss
black. The engine bay paint scheme I found is as 
follows:
1. removal of the
spec plate reveals gloss black and assembler's crayon marking 
91
2. removal
of the hood latch assembly and heater core reveals gloss black in 
body  

3.
removal of the voltage reg plate reveals gloss black on the body plate
4.
behind the lower finisher & inside the mouth is satin black spray, no brush
strokes.

I believe these features to be definitive for this car that has its
original 
engine to rear axle driveline, about 50k miles. The underside was
coated, likely 
done close to as-purchased, that subsequently protected the
metal yielding 
slight rust. I plan to have the car on display with my Mk II
during June Juant 
2011. 


Alex Gabbard

From jliny5 at cox.net  Wed Oct 13 14:36:57 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:36:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Question
Message-ID: <E0FBCFE095FC404789AF18014E206B77@JPC>

Good Afternoon Listers

As a follow on to my previous Listing regading wiring my ammeter....Several of
you have already provided good advice and I have placed my order with
BritishWiring.com for the wire and female spade terminals I will need to wire
up my ammeter.

I have studied the wiring diagram, I have the ammeter out of the dash (looks
to be the original Lucas ammeter), and I am ready to proceed when the supplies
arrive...but I must admit I am a bit nervous about doing this absolutely
correctly so I do not burn up my car...now or in the future. I found a write
up on ammeter installation in the Shop Notes but I must admit it did not make
sense to me. You all know I have been a Tiger owner only a short time so I
would really appreciate it if somebody could walk me through this by the
numbers. Before doing so let me lay out what I believe needs to be done.

>From what I can see, the dotted line on the wiring diagram for the optional
ammeter indicates that the ammeter must pe placed "in series" between the
generator/voltage regulator (Vreg).......and the starter solenoid/battery. So
that means I need to:

1. DISCONNECT THE BATTERY
2. Disconnect the brown wire on the starter solenoid that runs from the vreg B
terminal
3. Run that wire back up through the firewall and
4. Connect it to the + (inboard) terminal on ammeter
5. Connect a new wire to the -- (outboard) terminal on the ammeter
6. Run that wire back through firewall and
7. Connect it to the terminal on the starter solenoid from where the vreg
brown wire was previously wire disconnected
8. Connect ground wire from Tach to ammeter
9. Insert bulb wire
10. Put ammeter in dash

Based upon earlier advice I am using fully insulated terminals on the ammeter
and I will also add some electical tape on the back as insurance. I also can
probably save a little effort by running the wire to be connected TO the
solenoid through the firewall at the same time I run the wire I disconnect
FROM the solenoid.

Any secrets on running the wire through the firewall?

If I do not have this correct please correct any/all steps where I have gone
wrong.

Thanks,

Jim



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Lindner
  To: tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:17 PM
  Subject: Wiring Question


  Hi All,

  I am wiring up my ammeter and I had a question regarding the color/gauge of
the wire. The Wiring Diagram for the MkI shows the color of the wire as brown
for the connection to the voltage regulator (vreg) and the starter solenoid.
It also has the connection to the vreg going to the B terminal.

  The Under Dash Wiring Diagram from C.A.T. shows the the color of the wire to
the vreg as brown/yellow and going to the A terminal.

  Which is correct?

  Also, does anybody know where to find brown and/or brown/yellow wire. I have
tried all the usual auto parts places with no luck. Online sources want you to
buy reels of at least a hundred feet. The one place I thought would
work...Britishwiring.com has a web site I can not seem to access.

  Finally what gauge wire do I need?

  As always...Thanks.

  Jim Lindner
  B9470033

From denismercier at telvic.net  Wed Oct 13 16:35:28 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:35:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter
References: <8A98AB5537A64DAFAC16E9319D79CA25@student2><AANLkTikPASGWvSEYHp3mPCLCR0Vn+QaytA2GXg+2zPQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<397375.52905.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DF81B52BAA5E4D1C8E6C002BB466BF9E@D7F0WHF1>

Hi.
To dismantle the shifter follow these instructions.....
1-Remove (unscrew) the shifter knob, remove the spring inside. There is a 
cable who hold the (T( and the reverse lock at the bottom.
2-You have to use a acetylene/oxygen torch to heat the bottom of the shifter 
and by the same time you heat the bottom, hold the (T( like to shift in 
reverse.
3- When the cable is unsolded, you just have to pull the cable by the upside 
of the shifter.
4-To assemble the shifter reverse the procedure, you have to weld the cable 
by the bottom with acetylene/oxygen torch and bronze.
5-You have to say to the re-chrome guy (does not thicken to much the 
(T(reverse handle( the (T(handle have to pass inside the hole in shifter !
         Denis Mercier
         B382000926LRXFE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gabbard Gabbard" <gabbardalex at att.net>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>; "Thomas Witt" 
<atwittsend at verizon.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:07 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter


>I want to disassemble my Mk I shifter for re-chroming but can't figure out 
>how
> to take the assembly apart so that the tubes are free to be polished and
> re-chromed. Anyone know how to do that?
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From allanballard at att.net  Wed Oct 13 17:09:46 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:09:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] United
References: <3213380A-8D5D-4BFD-981E-BF2877CDFD28@att.net>
Message-ID: <7E82DCE9-B74E-41EF-82D1-E81203414013@att.net>

MADE IT HOME SAFELY after 3 days on the road with only 2 glitches--loose wiper
wire and contaminated clutch hydraulic fluid.

The ~2600 mile round trip in my "new" Tiger was otherwise uneventful despite
the horror that is called a freeway in Pennsylvania.

SFAIK this was the first time the car has been overland on its own steam since
it went out of use in 1892.

That the car powered along so eager to run makes me feel doubly appreciative
that it received the Diamond in the Rough award.

Thanks for your support, and thanks to the organizers for such a great event.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger

From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 13 17:12:00 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:12:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Tiger_lockout_shifter?=
Message-ID: <20101013231110.C5C24187869@autox.team.net>

Aren't those stock shifters available new from classic mustang parts houses??

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "denis mercier" <denismercier at telvic.net>
Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 17:35
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter
To: "Gabbard Gabbard" <gabbardalex at att.net>, "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>, "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


Hi.
To dismantle the shifter follow these instructions.....
1-Remove (unscrew) the shifter knob, remove the spring inside. There is a cable who hold the (T( and the reverse lock at the bottom.
2-You have to use a acetylene/oxygen torch to heat the bottom of the shifter and by the same time you heat the bottom, hold the (T( like to shift in reverse.
3- When the cable is unsolded, you just have to pull the cable by the upside of the shifter.
4-To assemble the shifter reverse the procedure, you have to weld the cable by the bottom with acetylene/oxygen torch and bronze.
5-You have to say to the re-chrome guy (does not thicken to much the (T(reverse handle( the (T(handle have to pass inside the hole in shifter !
        Denis Mercier
        B382000926LRXFE

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabbard Gabbard" <gabbardalex at att.net>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>; "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:07 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter


>I want to disassemble my Mk I shifter for re-chroming but can't figure out >how
> to take the assembly apart so that the tubes are free to be polished and
> re-chromed. Anyone know how to do that?
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Wed Oct 13 17:59:03 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] United
In-Reply-To: <7E82DCE9-B74E-41EF-82D1-E81203414013@att.net>
References: <3213380A-8D5D-4BFD-981E-BF2877CDFD28@att.net>
	<7E82DCE9-B74E-41EF-82D1-E81203414013@att.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb6b32$9d563300$d8029900$@rr.com>

Congratulations Allan,

It took me three years ownership to get mine able to cruise across the
country.  I tried to drive to CA after about nine months with it and I had
to turn around.  The carb was too big and the heads needed rebuilding.

I applaud your audacity, bravery and "into the dark" attitude.

Your "diamond" has a fine owner now and will see any more miles on the road.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:10 PM
To: Beamclub TIGER
Subject: [Tigers] United

MADE IT HOME SAFELY after 3 days on the road with only 2 glitches--loose
wiper
wire and contaminated clutch hydraulic fluid.

The ~2600 mile round trip in my "new" Tiger was otherwise uneventful despite
the horror that is called a freeway in Pennsylvania.

SFAIK this was the first time the car has been overland on its own steam
since
it went out of use in 1892.

That the car powered along so eager to run makes me feel doubly appreciative
that it received the Diamond in the Rough award.

Thanks for your support, and thanks to the organizers for such a great
event.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Wed Oct 13 20:09:31 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:09:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] United Photos
Message-ID: <000101cb6b44$d94c8550$6601a8c0@Brennan>

OK, guys, they're all up on my web page now.  See the TE/AE United 2010
photos at:
 
http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/united2010
 
I had a great time, even without my Tiger!  Except for driving right by
the Petunia Pump....
 
Stu Brennan

From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Oct 13 21:12:21 2010
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:12:21 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter
References: <20101013231110.C5C24187869@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <703446650EC3433DA2E8EF5F06055852@BobsDell>

I wonder if any of these would work:

http://www.cobranda.com/194shha.html

http://4speedtoploaders.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/factoryshifterhandles.html

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct 13 21:33:46 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:33:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the Maine United
References: <4cb37c16.67fe.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <DBF3FB7A05FA4122B451A89120D23EF4@yourze8cxvr8tt>

rande,
     my car is titled a 1969 and here in the states it was called an alpine 
GT. i had rapier emblems on it for awhile. it  took first in premier and 
also was voted most popular car at the united.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 5:05 PM
Subject: [Tigers] the Maine United


> Where to start. If you clicked on Stu Brennan's photos, you got a taste.
>
> I'm working on a medium size list of folks to thank, but here's a very 
> brief
> outline of neat stuff, in no particular order. 14 cars were TAC'd, one guy 
> drove
> down from Quebec City, had his car inspected, and then immediately went 
> back
> north. Four of his Montreal friends(and Tiger owners) came down and 
> stayed.
> These guys are crazy. I couldn't decide whether to commit the lot of them, 
> or
> to move to MTL myself, sort of like four Peter Thompson's, if you can 
> picture
> that. Loads of fun.
>
> Three extremely nice Alpine Series III's. Anthony and Susan DiBattista's 
> car
> is now Tiger Tom's son-in-laws ride. You east coasters know the car. It's 
> the
> one where someones pen slipped when they were filling out the order sheet, 
> and
> the "give me everything" box was inadvertantly checked off. Chrome wire 
> wheels,
> white walls, hardtop, GT version, and so bright red that you really should 
> wear
> welders goggles if you're going to stare at it for any length of time. 
> And,
> Fred Baum's beautiful red SIII was next to it at the concours, if your 
> eyes
> were still functional.
>
> Of course, Tigers outnumbered everything else. Because it was only about a 
> four
> hour drive from Boston, we got IIRC one Tiger Mk1 and a couple of Mk1A's 
> that
> you could consider survivor cars in veritable showroom fettle, from 
> families
> that don't usually make it to far away Uniteds(David Twombly and Dana 
> Freeman,
> correct me if I'm off base). Bob Webb brought his pristine '69?  white 
> Rapier,
> Kevin Reid came in a really nice early 60's Rapier, and Nick Kinter showed 
> off
> his gray Imp, both in the autocross and the concours.
>
> The site itself for both the autocross and the concours(Owls Head 
> Transportation
> Museum) is a antique auto and airplane museum on the fringes of the Knox 
> County
> airport, near the coast. Biplanes and corporate jets shared the air space 
> during
> both of our events
>
> For now, thanks to everyone. It was a super time.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Oct 13 21:47:03 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:47:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter
In-Reply-To: <703446650EC3433DA2E8EF5F06055852@BobsDell>
Message-ID: <72B42ECE33184813A2F64B4BCDA5A3D7@ronpc1>

Bob
	I believe these are all too long.  The first group of Tigers had a
Borg Warner transmission with a Cobra short shifter, then the toploader used
the Cobra short shifter style, then a longer shifter was used.

Rootes Parts List indicates C4JZ-7202-C for RHD and C4JZ-7202-A for LHD but
I have no idea if this covers all 3 shifters.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bob Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter


I wonder if any of these would work:

http://www.cobranda.com/194shha.html

http://4speedtoploaders.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/factoryshifterhandles.htm
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 00:38:28 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:38:28 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] kinda tiger related - 73 Hillman "Tiger" on BaT?
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To my understanding there was a chrysler "cricket" in the USA. In the Uk
there was a Hillman Avenger Tiger.. a hotted up 1500cc hillman with twin
DCOE carbs (different from the holbay 1725 in the rapier H120 fastbacks)
perhaps someone has imported this car and has re titled it as a chrysler?

On 14 October 2010 01:02, Cullen McCann <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alright guys.just when I thought I was starting to understand the lineage,
> I
> got this curve ball. So Chrysler buys Roote in the late 60's.67 or so
> right?
> So they are calling this a Chrysler Tiger and when I read the posts by
> readers at the bottom, I get mixed signals.it was marketed in different
> regions as different things.but still the roots appear to go back to Rootes
> at the end.
>
>
>
> What gives?
>
>
>
> Cullen
>
> 1452 LRO
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-- 
Regards

Michael King

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Thu Oct 14 07:11:14 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:11:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the last Mk II's going to Wally
References: <4cb5ccc1.6421.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <0C54D33563BA46D8A851254C18B5EC18@yourze8cxvr8tt>

if i remember right, wasn't wally in charge of sales for sunbeam on the east 
coast? at least that's what i understood him to say. i think he intended to 
distribute the tigers to various dealers, but found byers had traded for 
them. with the clout that byers had with chrysler, it was a done deal.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
To: <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] the last Mk II's going to Wally


> Hi,
> Add to Erich's comments about the early Mark II's, and mine to Tom Parker 
> about
> info listed in the BON, I think it's highly unlikely that one Chrysler 
> sales
> office/ zone would make a blanket order for 62 or 32 of the very last Mark 
> II's,
> and I post this with full deference to Wally. I'd love to hear from 
> Scooter
> Patrick, one of the P.A.M dealer principals in Manhattan Beach, CA who 
> sold
> Mark II's, and whose dealer plate frame was featured in the Road&Track 
> road
> test how much demand there was at that time for Mark II's as production 
> neared
> the end.
>
> There's also the issue of the supposedly last seven Mark II's left on the 
> Southampton
> docks that Alan Hartwell snapped up and sold, one going directly to a 
> Canadian
> dealer unchanged, and the six remaining being converted by Hartwell to 
> RHD,
> fitted with Minilite's, and sold in England. There's also at least one 
> known
> car (#626LRXFE) built as a Alpine V8 Mark II that went to Germany.
>
> There is the issue of a comparably equipped '67 Mustang convertible  for 
> around
> $3,200 ( the Mark II was listed at about $3,800) and a comparably fitted 
> base
> Corvette convertible(with 327/300hp, four speed, hard top, AMFM, for 
> around
> $4,200 list and around $4,000 transaction price.
>
> I met Wally several times, and I don't remember a single instance when he 
> seemed
> like a braggard, but unless Wally was the sole source to order Tigers for 
> the
> States(and knowing that Chrysler could have been downsizing distribution 
> at
> that time), a one time order of even 32 cars that sold in drabs is a tall 
> one,
> and we're quite sure that the distribution of Tiger Mark II's was 
> scattered
> throughout the States and Canada, with a handful going to Europe.
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 07:53:52 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:53:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the last Mk II's going to Wally
In-Reply-To: <0C54D33563BA46D8A851254C18B5EC18@yourze8cxvr8tt>
References: <4cb5ccc1.6421.0@thecia.net>
	<0C54D33563BA46D8A851254C18B5EC18@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik8FcH9rUHaZ5y-oAab-nuyt7+rbn_-PGd95WeP@mail.gmail.com>

That's what I remember as well.  Uncle Wally was the Chrysler Import East
Coast Sales Director (I hope I said that right!) and was responsible for
delivering/parsing Sunbeams, Simcas, etc. out to the dealers.  I'm sure he
worked MANY deals on who got what.

Maybe Jack Swift can weigh in on what his Father's title/responsibilities
were.

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM, bob webb <bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> if i remember right, wasn't wally in charge of sales for sunbeam on the
> east coast? at least that's what i understood him to say. i think he
> intended to distribute the tigers to various dealers, but found byers had
> traded for them. with the clout that byers had with chrysler, it was a done
> deal.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>

From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Thu Oct 14 11:22:15 2010
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:22:15 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 2008 La Carrera Panamericana Tiger?
References: <mailman.7029.1286952854.22018.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <59D64D124CA9450BA79734C79CEF63C3@TIGERV8>

This prompted me to watch the show again last night.
If you have not seen it, you must. Part of the GT Racer series:
GT - Racer - "Carrera Pan-Americana Cross Country Race"
An HD Theatre production. Superbly done, with super camera work. Released Sept
2009.

Notable quotes:
1. Interviewing a team (Navigator/Driver). Navigator says: "You know if I make
a mistake...we die". And the scene immediately cuts to a 180 degree close-up
(i.e. 5 feet away) of the Tiger you are referring to, sitting on a trailer. It
was a mess.
2. A different driver commenting: "You go out there and think...take it a bit
easy, but the old adrenaline gets going and stupidity takes over. My Co-Driver
was screaming alot...that's always a good sign. I love it when he cries.
Whoever said there is pleasure in pain...was absolutely right".

Both GT - Racer and the Classic Racer series are on RADXC channel (Risk
Adventure Danger).
Both shows focus on 3 teams in vintage events around the world, with good
interviews, in-car and track footage.
In Classic Racer, I've seen glimpses of a Tiger, but not much footage. Much
the footage is from the cockpit of of Shelby Cobra driven by one of the guys
who is also featured in Pan-Americana. Great video and audio.

If you guys aren't watching these shows, call your IPTV or Cable Co. provider
asap!
I seldom ever watch anything more than once, but Carrera Pan-Americana is on
my PVR to stay.
7 days; 3200 km, with 550 km of closed public roads for full speed racing.
When they close 3 lanes of a 6-lane freeway thru Mexico City.
Quoting: "When you race thru the center of the city at 170mph...(expletive)
crazy"!

> On 13 October 2010 15:46, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
> The link below is to and article about the 2008 La Carrera Panamericana.
> http://funksterwtf.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html
>  About 80% of the way down the lengthy page is a crashed Sunbeam with the
> caption "What was once a beautiful Sunbeam Tiger." Anyone know the story on
> this Sunbeam and if it is a real Tiger?  I stumbled upon it by accident.
> Thanks, Tom

From rande at thecia.net  Thu Oct 14 15:54:12 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:54:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam dealer list.
Message-ID: <4cb77c04.3be5.0@thecia.net>

I found out last weekend that there was a Sunbeam or Chrysler dealer in Arlington,
MA. as a friend of mine told me his Tiger came from there in around 1967.

I checked Norm's book, which has a dealer directory from(IIRC) 1965, and it's
not listed. Does anyone have a copy of a later directory, say 1967-1970, with
a listing in Arlington, MA. I checked with the local library but their commercial
directory for the town only goes back to 1978.

From wwwdg at webtv.net  Thu Oct 14 15:58:16 2010
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:58:16 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger lockout shifter (more info)
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds14B5041C1C548F2088EADAD560@phx.gbl>

I believe the shift lever part numbers in the Tiger parts book might
be for the "Cobra Style" short shifter (or not) (drawing shown in the
Tiger book is the short shifter), Part number 6100016 (C4JZ-7202-A) LHD
was Superseded by 6100663 (C4JZ-7202-C) RHD, don't know why LHD & RHD
would be different. Also these numbers were for the complete lever with
the knob, boot and chrome ring.

I ordered a 6100663 from RJ Grimes in England (in the late 1970's) and
it was the long Tiger shifter, with knob and boot (no ring). Don't know
if Rootes just superseded the short shifter with the long one, or they
never had a short one in stock for parts.

I checked my Ford part books and none of the Ford shifters have a "7202"
part number they are "7210" they also come with the boot but nothing
else, could be the difference in the 7202/7210 part number?

I can't find my book with Cobra/Shelby parts to check the number on the
Cobra short shifter, no Fords used this short shifter. I believe the
Tiger with the longer shift lever used the early Falcon lever
C4DZ-7210-E or Fairlane C4OZ-7210-D. If we had the number of the "Cobra"
shifer this might help clear up the "Tiger" numbers, for those who care.
Anyone know the "Cobra" short shift lever number?

David Franchi

From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Oct 14 17:03:49 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:03:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam dealer list.
In-Reply-To: <4cb77c04.3be5.0@thecia.net>
References: <4cb77c04.3be5.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <7A7A6BF50E24418D9B14A9292571171E@awtigerPC>

Rande:

My Sunbeam Dealer List only shows one dealer in a town in MA starting with 
"A," and that was in Attleboro, MA...Lee's Garage, 1105 Oak Hill Ave.

I must have the same dealer list that Norm does...it was printed in '65.

Sorry,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Cc: <alpines at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam dealer list.


>I found out last weekend that there was a Sunbeam or Chrysler dealer in 
>Arlington,
> MA. as a friend of mine told me his Tiger came from there in around 1967.
>
> I checked Norm's book, which has a dealer directory from(IIRC) 1965, and 
> it's
> not listed. Does anyone have a copy of a later directory, say 1967-1970, 
> with
> a listing in Arlington, MA. I checked with the local library but their 
> commercial
> directory for the town only goes back to 1978.
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From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Thu Oct 14 17:08:03 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:08:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam dealer list.
References: <4cb77c04.3be5.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <6ED37E746DDF44DE9867C5E91F92F78E@yourze8cxvr8tt>

rande,
    from what wally told me over the years, i understood him to say that 
there were what we would call master distributors that sold sunbeams to 
other sub dealers. this is no different than what is being done today in 
many businesses. i know it is widespread in the oil industry among others. 
maybe this dealer was a sub dealer working under another larger dealer.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Cc: <alpines at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:54 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam dealer list.


>I found out last weekend that there was a Sunbeam or Chrysler dealer in 
>Arlington,
> MA. as a friend of mine told me his Tiger came from there in around 1967.
>
> I checked Norm's book, which has a dealer directory from(IIRC) 1965, and 
> it's
> not listed. Does anyone have a copy of a later directory, say 1967-1970, 
> with
> a listing in Arlington, MA. I checked with the local library but their 
> commercial
> directory for the town only goes back to 1978.
> _______________________________________________
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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 18:17:23 2010
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:17:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] United Photos
In-Reply-To: <000101cb6b44$d94c8550$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000101cb6b44$d94c8550$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-Dw_PVE-D7EqtvoiCRC-i7w9GQuenfoXJ4ACa@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Stu,
   I was in the lobby of the samoset, someone had a photo album of cars in
the parking lot
of which mine was one. I don t suppose those were your photos? I had the as
I saw only Med. blue car there ( clutch problem caused me to miss Sunday s
show), Be nice to see the rest of the pics if they re available.
     Thanks and nice job,
                     Jeff
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net>wrote:

> OK, guys, they're all up on my web page now.  See the TE/AE United 2010
> photos at:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/united2010
>
> I had a great time, even without my Tiger!  Except for driving right by
> the Petunia Pump....
>
> Stu Brennan
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From rande at thecia.net  Thu Oct 14 19:08:35 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:08:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Shifter lever length
Message-ID: <4cb7a993.4ff2.0@thecia.net>

"I believe the shift lever part numbers in the Tiger parts book might
be for the "Cobra Style" short shifter (or not) (drawing shown in the
Tiger book is the short shifter), Part number 6100016 (C4JZ-7202-A) LHD
was Superseded by 6100663 (C4JZ-7202-C) RHD, don't know why LHD & RHD
would be different. Also these numbers were for the complete lever with
the knob, boot and chrome ring."

David, I have two parts catalogues. In the January 1965 Tiger supplement, there
are two distinct part numbers depending upon whether the car was LHD or RHD
and they don't supersede. In the January 1968 catalogue, as you noted, they
are both listed as the same numbers, and the LHD part numbers supersede to the
RHD part number.

This is just my guess, but I read that owners with the early(shorter) shifter
lever complained that they had difficulty reaching over the console to shift
accurately. Owing to the fact that the shifter hole on the tunnel is skewed
to the left(I think on all Tigers), and all of the Tiger toploader shifters(the
part below the lever) are also on the left side of the case, it was really going
to be a stretch for drivers of RHD cars to make shifts. Rootes probably reasoned
that they would try to placate the LHD short shifter owners  with the part used
on the home market(RHD) car. I looked at the R&T road test of the Tiger Mk 1
(Nov.1964) and even they wrote that "some drivers might prefer to add an inch
or two extension on this handle, as the knob is slightly lower than the top
of the central map box, and reaching over it without dragging the wrist takes
a bit of practice..." In the picture of the interior, the shifter lever is the
short version with the concave knob.

The thing that's a bit amazing is that by January 1965, six months after owners
first starting taking delivery of Tigers in the States, they hadn't made the
supersession to the longer lever for LHD cars, though they already knew that
the RHD cars would need a longer lever.

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Thu Oct 14 19:50:33 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:50:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] United Photos
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-Dw_PVE-D7EqtvoiCRC-i7w9GQuenfoXJ4ACa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb6c0b$5f3a2fc0$6601a8c0@Brennan>

The photos in the lobby were not mine.  They were from:
 
Bob Hirshberg
SCRUFFYY PRODUCTIONS
P.O. Box 8367
Bangor, Maine 04402-8367
scruffyy at aol.com
www.scruffyyproductions.com   

 

He's done Sunbeam calendars for a couple years now.  I had a whole page
in 2008, the the front of mine is in the 2011.

Stu 

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 00:36:28 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Kumho Tires
Message-ID: <345256.25691.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has anyone out there run 235/45R13 Kumho tires? I would like to get your
feedback and details about the tires.
 
Thanks,
 
Gary

From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com  Fri Oct 15 12:13:40 2010
From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:13:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers]  Shifter lever length
Message-ID: <BE9A6B7946F78D4E8731D948F4A146E614E98E3C@exchhou02.Publicans.com>

I don't know too much about these, except that mine needs to come off to
fix the #@$%^& shifter . . .but . .  when we built the Kirkham Cobra a
few years ago, the only new Cobra shifter lever we could find had a
non-functional reverse lockout.  Looks good, but no cable, etc.  So,
although this may have changed, if you are buying one of these used or
repro, you may want to verify whether the lockout will be operational.



John Dillman

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Oct 16 12:01:17 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:01:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] TEAE United 2010 poster
Message-ID: <4cb9e86d.21f0.0@thecia.net>

Check eBay for a poster showing a bunch of the cars at the United, and there
are also instructions for ordering individual photos of your car when it was
there. Search 'Tigers East Alpine' or' Sunbeam posters' to find the item. These
are not mine, but the guy who left the photo album on the registration table,
Scruffy?

RB

From barncobob at aol.com  Sat Oct 16 12:31:31 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:31:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tiger calendars
Message-ID: <8CD3B777D57995F-1DB0-9BA8@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com>

He mailed me the other day and said 2011 calendars will be out in a few
weeks.
www.scruffyyproductions.com                                2yys

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Oct 17 10:58:54 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:58:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Decamethylcyclopentassiloxane
Message-ID: <80D8A406B8384629923DB9F282996EA2@jerry>

List,

 

A month or two ago I asked if anyone had any experience with "ArmoAall Wheel
Protectant".  Well having no financial interest (other than buying it) I
must say it is amazing stuff.  (Though I haven't a clue how to pronounce the
ingredient that's in it).  I will say TRY IT. It virtually eliminates brake
dust from forming on the wheels.  I have several Mustang friends that have
new and old Mustangs and trucks and they are very happy with the results.  I
use it on my Tiger, my F150 truck and my wife's Avalon with great results. 

When I watched the demo on their website I couldn't believe that even honey
FELL OFF the wheel.  

I buy it at Wall Mart (about$7), however it is available at auto stores for
more money.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct 17 16:33:27 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:33:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] TEAE United 2010 poster
Message-ID: <4CBB79B7.9090904@roadrunner.com>

  The guy selling the posters is Bob Hirshberg (aka scruffy), the same 
one who has produced and sold Sunbeam calendars on eBay for the past few 
years.  He and his friend, John Craig (who owns an Alpine undergoing 
restoration), have been attending our small get-togethers in Maine for 
the past few years as well and he has taken many of the photos at our 
gatherings and used them for his calendars.  I saw him last spring and 
asked him if he would come and take pictures at the United, which he was 
very happy to do.  We used the pictures he took at the autocross, the 
rallye and the concours (he had to take a picture of each car in each 
event) to make trophy plaques for the awards.  While most of us were 
attending the banquet, Bob and John were working hard on sorting and 
printing out the photos to be mounted on the plaques.  The plaques, 
incidentally, were produced by the woodworking class at Medomak Valley 
High School, in the shape of the state of Maine.  We mounted a dash 
plaque and the category of the award on the wooden cutout in addition to 
the photo.  The time Bob and John spent taking the photos as well as 
sorting them, printing them and mounting them on the plaques was 
enormous and they deserve many thanks for the job they did and their 
contribution to the United.  TEAE reimbursed Bob for the ink and paper 
he used, but that was his only reward.  I would hope that anyone 
interested in Rootes vehicles would support Bob and John by purchasing 
the posters and calendars they have produced.  As Rande mentioned, he 
can also print photos of individual cars that were at the United.  I've 
already sent him my $15 for the poster.

You can also see other stuff Bob and John have available at their web site:
http://www.aviationmotoringcollectible.com

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:01:17 -0400
From: "rande"<rande at thecia.net>
Subject: [Tigers] TEAE United 2010 poster
To:tigers at autox.team.net
Cc:alpines at autox.team.net
Message-ID:<4cb9e86d.21f0.0 at thecia.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Check eBay for a poster showing a bunch of the cars at the United, and there
are also instructions for ordering individual photos of your car when it was
there. Search 'Tigers East Alpine' or' Sunbeam posters' to find the item. These
are not mine, but the guy who left the photo album on the registration table,
Scruffy?

RB

From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Mon Oct 18 06:03:44 2010
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:03:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Test
Message-ID: <4CBC37A0.6010005@verizon.net>

  Thanks

From barncobob at aol.com  Mon Oct 18 09:18:45 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:18:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] wheel questions
Message-ID: <8CD3CEEE40FB07D-C40-17BC@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>

im thinking of getting rid of my 13" minilites and getting 15" panasports
Is there any market value/desire in the old ones, realistically how much are
they worth
I also have a set of LAT 3 blade spinners ion there now too.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 15:40:28 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:40:28 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] wheel questions
In-Reply-To: <8CD3CEEE40FB07D-C40-17BC@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD3CEEE40FB07D-C40-17BC@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYKMxL_fQO_U5thJU9BH3xoTmpQYSOsThbVDVU@mail.gmail.com>

Its hard to say.. depends if someone wants a set at that point in time. As
there is debate as to decent tyre supply for 13" wheels and the fact most
people went ot 14 a while back, and are now gogint o 15 and even 16 I dont
think there is a huge advantage in selling them.. maybe keep them so that
when you feel like it you can give the car that period look for shows etc?

On 19 October 2010 02:18, <barncobob at aol.com> wrote:

> im thinking of getting rid of my 13" minilites and getting 15" panasports
> Is there any market value/desire in the old ones, realistically how much
> are
> they worth
> I also have a set of LAT 3 blade spinners ion there now too.
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From denismercier at telvic.net  Mon Oct 18 17:07:37 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:07:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
Message-ID: <67BA653E84DA4DC89309CF625334C46F@D7F0WHF1>

Hi listers !
I'l just remove from my 260 engine the 1600 thermostat, i'l test it and he
open at 1550, engine run at 1700 on the gauge.
At your mind what is the best running temperature for small block Ford (Tiger)
?
       Thanks !
       Denis.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 18 17:59:14 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:59:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
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Denis
	Ford published that the least amount of wear happens when the small
block Ford engine is at 180 degrees F.
Today's engines run with 195 or higher thermostats.

Never trust the dash temp gauge unless you have calibrated it; most are off
a fair amount.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of denis mercier
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:08 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


Hi listers !
I'l just remove from my 260 engine the 1600 thermostat, i'l test it and he
open at 1550, engine run at 1700 on the gauge. At your mind what is the best
running temperature for small block Ford (Tiger) ?
       Thanks !
       Denis.
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From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Oct 18 19:06:18 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:06:18 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
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Hi Denis:

Here is an article that demonstrates the relationship between operating 
temperature, power potential and engine wear. As Ron says, 180F is the best 
compromise.

My temperature gauge was off more than 10F at 190F. I have an infrared 
thermometer (you likely have a friend that has one if you don't - maybe you 
can borrow it!). You can take a reading at the intake manifold where the 
temperature sending unit sits, and bend the needle on the temp gauge to 
match. Its best to do this at the operating temp you want to run you car 
with.

Dave
ps anyone who wants a copy of this article e-mail me off line)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'denis mercier'" <denismercier at telvic.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


> Denis
> Ford published that the least amount of wear happens when the small
> block Ford engine is at 180 degrees F.
> Today's engines run with 195 or higher thermostats.
>
> Never trust the dash temp gauge unless you have calibrated it; most are 
> off
> a fair amount.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
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From denismercier at telvic.net  Tue Oct 19 06:19:53 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
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	<F06E9226A9D0492AB8105EAC5067899E@DavePC>
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Thanks Dave !
The article is very interesting. I change the thermostat today for a 180.
       Denis
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Munroe" <dave at munroe.ca>
To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; "'denis mercier'" <denismercier at telvic.net>; 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


> Hi Denis:
>
> Here is an article that demonstrates the relationship between operating
> temperature, power potential and engine wear. As Ron says, 180F is the 
> best
> compromise.
>
> My temperature gauge was off more than 10F at 190F. I have an infrared
> thermometer (you likely have a friend that has one if you don't - maybe 
> you
> can borrow it!). You can take a reading at the intake manifold where the
> temperature sending unit sits, and bend the needle on the temp gauge to
> match. Its best to do this at the operating temp you want to run you car
> with.
>
> Dave
> ps anyone who wants a copy of this article e-mail me off line)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: "'denis mercier'" <denismercier at telvic.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
>
>
>> Denis
>> Ford published that the least amount of wear happens when the small
>> block Ford engine is at 180 degrees F.
>> Today's engines run with 195 or higher thermostats.
>>
>> Never trust the dash temp gauge unless you have calibrated it; most are
>> off
>> a fair amount.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
> @autox.team.net
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From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Tue Oct 19 06:25:27 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <F06E9226A9D0492AB8105EAC5067899E@DavePC>
References: <4435F314FD82441B9E475AB69C2C8B10@ronpc1>
	<F06E9226A9D0492AB8105EAC5067899E@DavePC>
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  Denis-

As I recall, you don't need to bend the needle to correct your temp 
gauge.  There are actually two potentiometers inside behind two small 
plugs.  These can be adjusted with a screwdriver from the rear to 
correct the reading.

-Randy

On 10/18/2010 9:06 PM, Dave Munroe wrote:
> Hi Denis:
>
> Here is an article that demonstrates the relationship between operating
> temperature, power potential and engine wear. As Ron says, 180F is the best
> compromise.
>
> My temperature gauge was off more than 10F at 190F. I have an infrared
> thermometer (you likely have a friend that has one if you don't - maybe you
> can borrow it!). You can take a reading at the intake manifold where the
> temperature sending unit sits, and bend the needle on the temp gauge to
> match. Its best to do this at the operating temp you want to run you car
> with.
>
> Dave
> ps anyone who wants a copy of this article e-mail me off line)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: " Ron Fraser"<rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: "'denis mercier'"<denismercier at telvic.net>;<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
>
>
>> Denis
>> Ford published that the least amount of wear happens when the small
>> block Ford engine is at 180 degrees F.
>> Today's engines run with 195 or higher thermostats.
>>
>> Never trust the dash temp gauge unless you have calibrated it; most are
>> off
>> a fair amount.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>

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INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

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RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Oct 19 06:47:08 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:47:08 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
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Re: [Tigers] Engine TemperatureI agree with Al regarding the wide variation in
temperatures around the cooling system of your car.
I was really surprised at the variance in different locations just on the
radiator itself. The tape idea for getting a reading is neat -I never thought
of that. But I chose the location of the temperature sending unit in the
intake manifold to calibrate my gauge, as that is where Ford decided the
reading should be taken. Perhaps putting the tape adjacent to the sending unit
is the best idea? Interesting.

Dave
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: al at airtest.us
  To: Dave Munroe ; tigers-bounces at autox.team.net ; rfraser at bluefrog.com ;
denis mercier ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


  Gentlemen,
  You need to be careful when using an infrared thermometer to measure
temperature. The temperature the instrument "reads" is based on an assumed
emissivity value, usually .95. Try scanning all the visible components of your
cooling system and you will likely get wildly different temperature values due
to the differing emissivity values of aluminum water pumps, stainless hose
clamps, painted radiators, and rubber hoses, clean and dirty. The best way I
know to calibrate a surface is to place a piece of black electrical on the
surface you are trying to read. The tape has an emissivity value of .95, which
matches most non-adjustable meters. Also, shoot the temp very close, within
the spot ratio so the meter doesn't read an area larger than the tape cross
section.

  Al
  B9471635
  Sent on the Sprint. Now Network from my BlackBerry.


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  From: "Dave Munroe" <dave at munroe.ca>
  Sender: <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>
  Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:06:18 -0700
  To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; denis mercier<denismercier at telvic.net>;
<tigers at autox.team.net>
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


  Hi Denis:

  Here is an article that demonstrates the relationship between operating
  temperature, power potential and engine wear. As Ron says, 180F is the best
  compromise.

  My temperature gauge was off more than 10F at 190F. I have an infrared
  thermometer (you likely have a friend that has one if you don't - maybe you
  can borrow it!). You can take a reading at the intake manifold where the
  temperature sending unit sits, and bend the needle on the temp gauge to
  match. Its best to do this at the operating temp you want to run you car
  with.

  Dave
  ps anyone who wants a copy of this article e-mail me off line)



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
  To: "'denis mercier'" <denismercier at telvic.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


  > Denis
  > Ford published that the least amount of wear happens when the small
  > block Ford engine is at 180 degrees F.
  > Today's engines run with 195 or higher thermostats.
  >
  > Never trust the dash temp gauge unless you have calibrated it; most are
  > off
  > a fair amount.
  >
  > Ron Fraser
  >
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From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Oct 19 06:49:40 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:49:40 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
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	<F06E9226A9D0492AB8105EAC5067899E@DavePC> <4CBD8E37.3080205@cs.com>
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Randy:

NOW you tell me!

Oh well, my "bent needle" solution worked anyway....

Dave
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Randy Smith
  To: Dave Munroe
  Cc: rfraser at bluefrog.com ; 'denis mercier' ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


  Denis-

  As I recall, you don't need to bend the needle to correct your temp gauge.
There are actually two potentiometers inside behind two small plugs.  These
can be adjusted with a screwdriver from the rear to correct the reading.

  -Randy

  On 10/18/2010 9:06 PM, Dave Munroe wrote:
Hi Denis:

Here is an article that demonstrates the relationship between operating
temperature, power potential and engine wear. As Ron says, 180F is the best
compromise.

My temperature gauge was off more than 10F at 190F. I have an infrared
thermometer (you likely have a friend that has one if you don't - maybe you
can borrow it!). You can take a reading at the intake manifold where the
temperature sending unit sits, and bend the needle on the temp gauge to
match. Its best to do this at the operating temp you want to run you car
with.

Dave
ps anyone who wants a copy of this article e-mail me off line)



----- Original Message -----
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'denis mercier'" <denismercier at telvic.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


Denis
Ford published that the least amount of wear happens when the small
block Ford engine is at 180 degrees F.
Today's engines run with 195 or higher thermostats.

Never trust the dash temp gauge unless you have calibrated it; most are
off
a fair amount.

Ron Fraser





  --

  Randy Smith
  INNER QUEST, Inc.
  34752 Charles Town Pike
  Purcellville, VA  20132
  703-478-1078
  540-668-6699
  540-668-6253 fax

  InnerQuestOnline.com
  RSSmithIQ at cs.com
  Tiger- B382000189

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Tue Oct 19 16:56:23 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:56:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <4CBD8E37.3080205@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000201cb6fe0$de079f30$6601a8c0@Brennan>

NO! NO! NO!

Those may look like adjustments, but you have no idea what to do with
them.  Before you do anything, please resd:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp

Stu

From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Oct 19 18:00:20 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:00:20 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <000201cb6fe0$de079f30$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000201cb6fe0$de079f30$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <87292D095591425EA83782CA154A794B@DavePC>

Hi Stu;

That's an interesting and well researched article you've written. Pheeew, 
who knew those little gauges were so complex?

>From your research, you determined the accuracy is +/- 10F on the temp 
gauge. Interestingly, that is the degree of accuracy I found with my 
infrared thermometer. Being the anal type, I didn't like looking at my gauge 
reading 210F when the sender was sitting in a pool of coolant at 200F.
It kinda got me a little tense, particularly when my engine was actually 
hitting the boiling point and spewing all over my and others' driveway.

After I got my engine cooling under control, I needed, really needed, to get 
my gauge reading correctly, so I could relax in my Tiger, so I got my engine 
up 190F and tweaked my gauge needle to read 190F. Crude but effective. I 
have checked it several times over the past few years, and it is staying 
pretty accurate at 190F.

Likely it will not be accurate at other temps, but I am really only 
concerned with 190F, the temp I have been running my engine since cooling 
fixed. Now I am considering installing a 180F thermostat, so perhaps I 
should re-calibrate?

Dave



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stu Brennan" <stubrennan at comcast.net>
To: "'Randy Smith'" <RSSmithIQ at cs.com>; "'Dave Munroe'" <dave at munroe.ca>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


> NO! NO! NO!
>
> Those may look like adjustments, but you have no idea what to do with
> them.  Before you do anything, please resd:
>
> http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp
>
> Stu

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Wed Oct 20 06:28:32 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:28:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <000201cb6fe0$de079f30$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000201cb6fe0$de079f30$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <4CBEE070.8080609@cs.com>

  Well, I guess ignorance is bliss.  I played with the adjustments on 
mine and cross-checked it at various points through the range with an 
infrared pyrometer/thermometer.  While it's not perfect, it is close 
enough to be very functional.  I guess I got lucky!

-Randy

On 10/19/2010 6:56 PM, Stu Brennan wrote:
> NO! NO! NO!
>
> Those may look like adjustments, but you have no idea what to do with
> them.  Before you do anything, please resd:
>
> http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp
>
> Stu
>
>

-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct 20 14:45:01 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:45:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
Message-ID: <4CBF54CD.1050706@roadrunner.com>

Hi All:

As Stu has noted in his article, the gauge reading and the combined 
resistance of the gauge and sender have an inverse relationship (i. e . 
if the gauge reads high, it's because the resistance is too low).  In my 
case, when I went through the process of trying to figure out why my 
temp gauge was reading high, I eliminated the voltage regulator and the 
sender as the causes, first.  I then measured the resistance of my gauge 
and found it to be low, compared to the value of 60 ohms cited by Stu.  
The cure, in my case, was to wire an additional resistor in series with 
the gauge.  I determined the required resistance by first inserting a 
variable resistor (a "pot" or potentiometer) in series with the gauge 
and adjusting it until the gauge read the rating on my thermostat once 
the engine had warmed up.  Then, using a meter, I measured the 
resistance of the pot and took a trip to my local Radio Shack, where I 
purchased a fixed resistor closest to the measured value of the pot.  I 
then replaced the pot with the fixed resistor and wrapped in shrink-fit 
tubing.  Voila!  A correct reading on the gauge for about a dollar.  If 
you do this, make sure you use a fixed resistor that has a high enough 
power (wattage) rating.  A 10 watt resistor should be sufficient.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Wed Oct 20 22:27:16 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:27:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <4CBF54CD.1050706@roadrunner.com>
References: <4CBF54CD.1050706@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <000801cb70d8$3f28dac0$bd7a9040$@rr.com>

I did the same thing Tod did. Guage was reading too high so I "trimmed" the
circuit and adding 4 ohms made it very accurate in the 190-200 degrees
range.  If gauge is reading too low, however, this trick won't work. One
more thing to keep in mind is that the resistance curve is non-linear,
according to Stu's very excellent article. So adding resistance will only
correct a specific temperature range, most important being between
thermostat temp and boiling, of course. 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:45 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Randy Smith; Stu Brennan; Dave Munroe
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature

Hi All:

As Stu has noted in his article, the gauge reading and the combined 
resistance of the gauge and sender have an inverse relationship (i. e . 
if the gauge reads high, it's because the resistance is too low).  In my 
case, when I went through the process of trying to figure out why my 
temp gauge was reading high, I eliminated the voltage regulator and the 
sender as the causes, first.  I then measured the resistance of my gauge 
and found it to be low, compared to the value of 60 ohms cited by Stu.  
The cure, in my case, was to wire an additional resistor in series with 
the gauge.  I determined the required resistance by first inserting a 
variable resistor (a "pot" or potentiometer) in series with the gauge 
and adjusting it until the gauge read the rating on my thermostat once 
the engine had warmed up.  Then, using a meter, I measured the 
resistance of the pot and took a trip to my local Radio Shack, where I 
purchased a fixed resistor closest to the measured value of the pot.  I 
then replaced the pot with the fixed resistor and wrapped in shrink-fit 
tubing.  Voila!  A correct reading on the gauge for about a dollar.  If 
you do this, make sure you use a fixed resistor that has a high enough 
power (wattage) rating.  A 10 watt resistor should be sufficient.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Oct 21 07:06:38 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:06:38 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
Message-ID: <5ab54.232245a7.39f194de@aol.com>

Tod,
I have used a resister approach to calibrate the temperature gauge like you 
 did but I found that if I put shrink wrap on resistors it may burn off so  
now I leave resistors exposed to air.
 
John Logan

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Oct 21 07:17:59 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:17:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
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Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059808E6A1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Hi all,
As Tod noted, resistors used in the temperature sender or fuel tank sender
circuit can pull quite a bit of current and they should be appropriately rated
or else they'll get too hot.

I forget offhand what the minimum resistance in the gauge circuits is, but I
think that the maximum current can be on the order of 1/4 to half an amp. In
that case, a 4 ohm resistor would dissipate one watt (1/2 x 1/2 x 4 = 1). That
doesn't mean that a one-watt resistor is sufficient power rating, since that
power rating is typically obtained when the case temperature of the resistor
is 75 degrees C or higher (that's like 160 F or something). You should
probably use a 2, 5, or 10 watt resistor to keep the temperature rise under
control and prevent inadvertent burns or melting of other underdash parts.

Cheers,
Theo
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From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:06 AM
To: todbrown at roadrunner.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature

Tod,
I have used a resister approach to calibrate the temperature gauge like you
 did but I found that if I put shrink wrap on resistors it may burn off so
now I leave resistors exposed to air.

John Logan




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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:50:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059808E6A1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
References: <5ab54.232245a7.39f194de@aol.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059808E6A1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <4CC04517.9090808@roadrunner.com>

Looking at Stu's data, the temp gauge reads 248 F at 24 ohms, so we can 
calculate the power consumed from P = V*V/R = (12 v)*(12v)/24 ohms = 6 
watts, so a 10 watt resistor should do the job.  I mounted the resistor 
under the bonnet, near the sender.  I have not had any melting of the 
plastic coating.  Using a resistor with a low power rating risks 
overheating it and frying it, just like a fuse.

Tod

On 10/21/2010 9:17 AM, Smit, Theo wrote:
> Hi all,
> As Tod noted, resistors used in the temperature sender or fuel tank sender circuit can pull quite a bit of current and they should be appropriately rated or else they'll get too hot.
>
> I forget offhand what the minimum resistance in the gauge circuits is, but I think that the maximum current can be on the order of 1/4 to half an amp. In that case, a 4 ohm resistor would dissipate one watt (1/2 x 1/2 x 4 = 1). That doesn't mean that a one-watt resistor is sufficient power rating, since that power rating is typically obtained when the case temperature of the resistor is 75 degrees C or higher (that's like 160 F or something). You should probably use a 2, 5, or 10 watt resistor to keep the temperature rise under control and prevent inadvertent burns or melting of other underdash parts.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
> ________________________________________
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com [Carmods at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:06 AM
> To: todbrown at roadrunner.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
>
> Tod,
> I have used a resister approach to calibrate the temperature gauge like you
>   did but I found that if I put shrink wrap on resistors it may burn off so
> now I leave resistors exposed to air.
>
> John Logan
>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies.
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Thu Oct 21 07:51:58 2010
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:51:58 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
References: <5ab54.232245a7.39f194de@aol.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059808E6A1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <D9259EB5EBEA48BA9FBF46013DB2904C@BobsDell>

" You should probably use a 2, 5, or 10 watt resistor to keep the 
temperature rise under control and prevent inadvertent burns or melting of 
other underdash parts"

Wouldn't burning and melting be 'period correct' for Lucas?  :-)

From allanballard at att.net  Thu Oct 21 08:55:43 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:55:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 7 blade fan
In-Reply-To: <D9259EB5EBEA48BA9FBF46013DB2904C@BobsDell>
References: <5ab54.232245a7.39f194de@aol.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059808E6A1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<D9259EB5EBEA48BA9FBF46013DB2904C@BobsDell>
Message-ID: <7994D1B5-C4C0-44CF-BB15-CCF8ED7A0214@att.net>

 One of these fans came on on my Tiger; maybe it helps cool maybe not :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUNBEAM-ALPINE-TIGER-13-FLEX-FAN-BLADE-/150509
502348?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item230b10bf8c

I don't know if they are scarce but thought to make the ad available.

no connection o the seller &&& etc.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger

From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Oct 21 09:56:26 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:56:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <4CC04517.9090808@roadrunner.com>
References: <5ab54.232245a7.39f194de@aol.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059808E6A1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<4CC04517.9090808@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <214221.81122.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Couple of thoughts -

Does the Temp meter run off of the pulsing voltage
regulator too? If so then 
those calculations might be off since the voltage
might be averaged in the 10 
Volt range, as well as the baseline resistance of
the sender itself should be 
factored into the entire draw at worse case 24
ohm thermistor + your resistor 
PLUS whats is in the meter. The drop across
your resistor would have to be 
calculated seperate to find its dissipation.
I would be very surprised if the temp gauge has much draw at all, and what is
likely in the temp sender is a termsistor and it can't draw much current at
all 
or it would self heat and not be something that would work as a
temperature 
measuring device. If all of this math is too messy, the easiest
way to check 
would be to hook up you multi-meter in series in current mode
and measure (At 
temp when reisistance is lowest),  I'll bet a 1/2 watt to 1
watt resistor is 
fine. As mentioned you need to derate the capability of the
resistor if under 
hood, double wattage would be about right on. Now saying
all that, this is Lucas 
stuff so might run the generator through the temp
sender to save some wiring so 
you may see a bit more draw....

Sandy
________________________________
From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
To:
"Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Cc: "Carmods at aol.com"
<Carmods at aol.com>; "tigers at autox.team.net" 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu,
October 21, 2010 6:50:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature

Looking
at Stu's data, the temp gauge reads 248 F at 24 ohms, so we can 
calculate the
power consumed from P = V*V/R = (12 v)*(12v)/24 ohms = 6 
watts, so a 10 watt
resistor should do the job.  I mounted the resistor 
under the bonnet, near
the sender.  I have not had any melting of the 
plastic coating.  Using a
resistor with a low power rating risks 
overheating it and frying it, just
like a fuse.

Tod

On 10/21/2010 9:17 AM, Smit, Theo wrote:
> Hi all,
> As Tod
noted, resistors used in the temperature sender or fuel tank sender 
>circuit
can pull quite a bit of current and they should be appropriately rated 
>or
else they'll get too hot.
>
> I forget offhand what the minimum resistance in
the gauge circuits is, but I 
>think that the maximum current can be on the
order of 1/4 to half an amp. In 
>that case, a 4 ohm resistor would dissipate
one watt (1/2 x 1/2 x 4 = 1). That 
>doesn't mean that a one-watt resistor is
sufficient power rating, since that 
>power rating is typically obtained when
the case temperature of the resistor is 
>75 degrees C or higher (that's like
160 F or something). You should probably use 
>a 2, 5, or 10 watt resistor to
keep the temperature rise under control and 
>prevent inadvertent burns or
melting of other underdash parts.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
________________________________________
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf 
>Of Carmods at aol.com
[Carmods at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:06 AM
> To:
todbrown at roadrunner.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine
Temperature
>
> Tod,
> I have used a resister approach to calibrate the
temperature gauge like you
>  did but I found that if I put shrink wrap on
resistors it may burn off so
> now I leave resistors exposed to air.
>
> John
Logan
>
>
>
>
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From barncobob at aol.com  Thu Oct 21 11:27:41 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:27:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
Message-ID: <8CD3F5C661791BA-B28-1EF7@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com>

being a newbie ive been told that there is only 1 tire available (sumitomo)
i did some searching and i found a tire co. out of oregon that has 5+
different brands of tires to fit. if anyone is interested i can post their
website.

From barncobob at aol.com  Thu Oct 21 12:40:10 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:40:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
Message-ID: <8CD3F6686928DE3-1558-A41@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>

here is the website for the tire dealer..i have not bought from them but they
offer a good selection of this size tire. i have the cooper cobras on my tiger
and seems like a good tire. i contacted them and they had the coopers in stock
even though everyone else said no stock.
www.tires-easy.com        i believe they are out of oregon.



=

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct 21 17:42:53 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:42:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Testing...this thing on?
Message-ID: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>

I have received nothing from any of the autox.team.net email lists...

ya'll getting anything?

mayf

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Oct 21 17:53:22 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:53:22 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
References: <5ab54.232245a7.39f194de@aol.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059808E6A1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <EE63940F4DB04BFDBCCE66A303984364@student2>

A couple of questions and thoughts.

Was anyone else forbidden access to the Cullen Bennett calibration page?

Does anyone know just how hot the "heater" of the gauge gets?   It seems 
like the ambient temperature of a car which can range from below freezing to 
the 150+ range (closed car in the sun) yet the gauge differs little. How hot 
would the heater have to get for the variable ambient temperature to be a 
small percentage and thus likely not show?

Lastly if anyone is going the resistor route and can't find the right 
resistance/watt rating this may help. If you double the resistance and run 
two resistors in parallel you get half the resistance at double the wattage. 
Example if you took two, 10 ohm, one watt resistors and ran them in parallel 
you get 5 ohms at two watts.

This is a neat little calculator for people like myself who have difficulty 
with any math formula that contains letters (X the unknown).

http://www.1728.com/resistrs.htm

Tom

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Thu Oct 21 18:16:55 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <4CC04517.9090808@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb717e$6f6c2f10$6601a8c0@Brennan>

Lets try this again.  The sensor is 24 ohms around the hot end, but it's
in series with the gage, which is about 60 Ohms cold (it may get a bit
higher when the heater gets hot, but for this lets call it 60 Ohms).
That's a total of 84 Ohms, with an average of 10 volts across it.  

Do the math, and that's around an average of about 119 mA running
through the string.  So you can calculate the max power dissipated in
any added series resistor based on this, P = I*I*R.  Add 10 ohms, for
instance, that makes the string 94 Ohms, that gives a current of 106mA
at 248 degrees.  The dissipation works out to about 0.112 watt.  As you
can see from my data, lower tehperatures give higher resistances, and
therefore lower currents and power dissipations.  So in this case, a 1
watt or even a half watt resistior in series would leave plenty of
margin.  

It was said elsewhere, but this fixes it at one temperature, but throws
it further off elsewhere.  

Think about this:  What info are you REALLY looking for from your
temperature gauge?  As your car warms up, the temp gauge comes up to a
certain point and stabilizes there, for a while anyway.  That's the temp
your thermostat regulates at.  As long as your gage is pointing around
there, all's well.  If it goes a little higher, and circumstances
explain this, stuck in traffic on a hot day, that's ok, but worth
watching.  If it goes way higher, then you have a potential problem.  Do
you really need numbers for this?  This is LUCAS stuff, for heavens
sake, not NIST traceable instrumentation.  

Stu

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Thu Oct 21 19:02:43 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:02:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <EE63940F4DB04BFDBCCE66A303984364@student2>
Message-ID: <000201cb7184$d55e2610$6601a8c0@Brennan>

The gage appears to have two bimetal strips in it, one with a heater,
one without.  The one without is for ambient temperature compensation.  

Stu

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:53 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature


A couple of questions and thoughts.

Was anyone else forbidden access to the Cullen Bennett calibration page?

Does anyone know just how hot the "heater" of the gauge gets?   It seems

like the ambient temperature of a car which can range from below
freezing to 
the 150+ range (closed car in the sun) yet the gauge differs little. How
hot 
would the heater have to get for the variable ambient temperature to be
a 
small percentage and thus likely not show?

Lastly if anyone is going the resistor route and can't find the right 
resistance/watt rating this may help. If you double the resistance and
run 
two resistors in parallel you get half the resistance at double the
wattage. 
Example if you took two, 10 ohm, one watt resistors and ran them in
parallel 
you get 5 ohms at two watts.

This is a neat little calculator for people like myself who have
difficulty 
with any math formula that contains letters (X the unknown).

http://www.1728.com/resistrs.htm

Tom
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct 21 19:25:19 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:25:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Testing...this thing on?
In-Reply-To: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4CC0E7FF.3000009@mayfco.com>

Well, turns out I had screwed up! Imagine that, lol... Way way back when 
I implemented my own domain name, I had put my youngest son on as a 
user. But because he was occasionally out of touch,  I would check his 
email for important stuff, like job offers,  I told the account to hang 
onto the email. Never thinking much about it, since I have a lot of hard 
drive space on their server, I never checked the server inbox. twas 
full... so now, it downloads and deletes immediately .... that problem I 
created should no longer exist.

Wonderful thing technology... takes a dumb assed human to screw it up, lol..

mayf

On 10/21/2010 4:42 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
> I have received nothing from any of the autox.team.net email lists...
>
> ya'll getting anything?
>
> mayf

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct 22 07:40:02 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:40:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <000001cb717e$6f6c2f10$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000001cb717e$6f6c2f10$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <4CC19432.8070905@roadrunner.com>

Stu:

You are right, of course.  I didn't read your article carefully enough 
and took the 24 ohms to be the total resistance.  I checked a temp gauge 
I have last night and it measured 62 ohms.  At room temp the sender was 
at about 900 ohms, so I think for the rough kind of analysis needed 
here, we can assume we have a fixed resistance (gauge) in series with a 
variable resistance (sender).  Like you said, it's Lucas.

Tod



On 10/21/2010 8:16 PM, Stu Brennan wrote:
> Lets try this again.  The sensor is 24 ohms around the hot end, but it's
> in series with the gage, which is about 60 Ohms cold (it may get a bit
> higher when the heater gets hot, but for this lets call it 60 Ohms).
> That's a total of 84 Ohms, with an average of 10 volts across it.
>
> Do the math, and that's around an average of about 119 mA running
> through the string.  So you can calculate the max power dissipated in
> any added series resistor based on this, P = I*I*R.  Add 10 ohms, for
> instance, that makes the string 94 Ohms, that gives a current of 106mA
> at 248 degrees.  The dissipation works out to about 0.112 watt.  As you
> can see from my data, lower tehperatures give higher resistances, and
> therefore lower currents and power dissipations.  So in this case, a 1
> watt or even a half watt resistior in series would leave plenty of
> margin.
>
> It was said elsewhere, but this fixes it at one temperature, but throws
> it further off elsewhere.
>
> Think about this:  What info are you REALLY looking for from your
> temperature gauge?  As your car warms up, the temp gauge comes up to a
> certain point and stabilizes there, for a while anyway.  That's the temp
> your thermostat regulates at.  As long as your gage is pointing around
> there, all's well.  If it goes a little higher, and circumstances
> explain this, stuck in traffic on a hot day, that's ok, but worth
> watching.  If it goes way higher, then you have a potential problem.  Do
> you really need numbers for this?  This is LUCAS stuff, for heavens
> sake, not NIST traceable instrumentation.
>
> Stu

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 22 07:46:07 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] AVG virus warning
Message-ID: <724837.11045.qm@web111608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Look out.  My computer just got a nasty virus and I must reload
my syste,
Some scam artists have highjecked AVGs logo and send me a
message from AVG
saying 'Click here for emergency update
from AVG.  When I did it proceeded to
update my system with
a terrible system virus.  No matter where you go, it
says I have
a virus and click here to remove.  That directs you to a site
asking
for $79.99 to remove the virus.  DO NOT sned you credit card
numbers to
anyone ever.  But your're stuck.  You will have to
reload the system.  There
is no recovery except that.  Cost $35
unle4ss you can find your reload disk

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 22 09:38:11 2010
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
Message-ID: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please excuse this message if it is a repeat of a topic already posted.

Some interesting figures for Sunbeam Tigers.  See the comments section for a
bit more information.  Not sure if the figures are realistic, but it is nice
to see the positive trend (or not so nice if you don't own one yet).

http://www.hagerty.com/lifestyle/hobby_article.aspx?ID=69580

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 09:56:05 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:56:05 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Temperature
In-Reply-To: <4CC19432.8070905@roadrunner.com>
References: <000001cb717e$6f6c2f10$6601a8c0@Brennan>
	<4CC19432.8070905@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <001f01cb7201$a34198b0$e9c4ca10$@rr.com>

I have one watt resistor, shrink wrapped near sender unit and no sign of
overheating

By the way, if anybody needs a sender replacement, Autometer part number
2385 seems to have similar, if not identical resistance curve to Tiger OE. 


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 6:40 AM
To: Stu Brennan
Cc: 'Smit, Theo'; Carmods at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Temperature

Stu:

You are right, of course.  I didn't read your article carefully enough 
and took the 24 ohms to be the total resistance.  I checked a temp gauge 
I have last night and it measured 62 ohms.  At room temp the sender was 
at about 900 ohms, so I think for the rough kind of analysis needed 
here, we can assume we have a fixed resistance (gauge) in series with a 
variable resistance (sender).  Like you said, it's Lucas.

Tod



On 10/21/2010 8:16 PM, Stu Brennan wrote:
> Lets try this again.  The sensor is 24 ohms around the hot end, but it's
> in series with the gage, which is about 60 Ohms cold (it may get a bit
> higher when the heater gets hot, but for this lets call it 60 Ohms).
> That's a total of 84 Ohms, with an average of 10 volts across it.
>
> Do the math, and that's around an average of about 119 mA running
> through the string.  So you can calculate the max power dissipated in
> any added series resistor based on this, P = I*I*R.  Add 10 ohms, for
> instance, that makes the string 94 Ohms, that gives a current of 106mA
> at 248 degrees.  The dissipation works out to about 0.112 watt.  As you
> can see from my data, lower tehperatures give higher resistances, and
> therefore lower currents and power dissipations.  So in this case, a 1
> watt or even a half watt resistior in series would leave plenty of
> margin.
>
> It was said elsewhere, but this fixes it at one temperature, but throws
> it further off elsewhere.
>
> Think about this:  What info are you REALLY looking for from your
> temperature gauge?  As your car warms up, the temp gauge comes up to a
> certain point and stabilizes there, for a while anyway.  That's the temp
> your thermostat regulates at.  As long as your gage is pointing around
> there, all's well.  If it goes a little higher, and circumstances
> explain this, stuck in traffic on a hot day, that's ok, but worth
> watching.  If it goes way higher, then you have a potential problem.  Do
> you really need numbers for this?  This is LUCAS stuff, for heavens
> sake, not NIST traceable instrumentation.
>
> Stu
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 10:05:03 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:05:03 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
Message-ID: <46242.501a35f6.39f3102f@aol.com>

What causes battery terminals to corrode?  The  positive on my truck is 
good for about 6 months and then it 's cleaning time  again.  The battery was 
recently replaced and the same problem is  back.
Mark L

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 10:39:06 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:39:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>

Interesting assessment. 

C.A.T. recently had its monthly meeting at the offices of the NADA Used
Vehicle Guides publisher (these are real car guys with a great collection at
their offic). Interesting discussion of collectible car values in general.
They seem to think they will continue a modest trend upward, as long as
other more traditional investments have historically low returns. 

According to their collectible and classic appraisal guide, the range for Mk
1 and 1a tigers goes from 29200 up to 64900 for the top '66 Mk1a. Average
hovers around 40k. Mk2 range is 35800-72700. These are encouraging, to be
sure, but caveat is that they don't have visibility of all transactions,
especially private, so they gather info from auctions, ebay, brokers, and
feedback from owners and clubs like ours. 

Let the debate begin!

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bill Waite
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:38 AM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report

Please excuse this message if it is a repeat of a topic already posted.

Some interesting figures for Sunbeam Tigers.  See the comments section for a
bit more information.  Not sure if the figures are realistic, but it is nice
to see the positive trend (or not so nice if you don't own one yet).

http://www.hagerty.com/lifestyle/hobby_article.aspx?ID=69580

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 10:45:33 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:45:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
References: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
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My MK1a B382002037 is insured at an agreed value of $40k.  Is it average?  

Duke

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mike Michels
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 11:39 AM
To: 'Bill Waite'; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report

Interesting assessment. 

C.A.T. recently had its monthly meeting at the offices of the NADA Used
Vehicle Guides publisher (these are real car guys with a great collection at
their offic). Interesting discussion of collectible car values in general.
They seem to think they will continue a modest trend upward, as long as
other more traditional investments have historically low returns. 

According to their collectible and classic appraisal guide, the range for Mk
1 and 1a tigers goes from 29200 up to 64900 for the top '66 Mk1a. Average
hovers around 40k. Mk2 range is 35800-72700. These are encouraging, to be
sure, but caveat is that they don't have visibility of all transactions,
especially private, so they gather info from auctions, ebay, brokers, and
feedback from owners and clubs like ours. 

Let the debate begin!

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bill Waite
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:38 AM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report

Please excuse this message if it is a repeat of a topic already posted.

Some interesting figures for Sunbeam Tigers.  See the comments section for a
bit more information.  Not sure if the figures are realistic, but it is nice
to see the positive trend (or not so nice if you don't own one yet).

http://www.hagerty.com/lifestyle/hobby_article.aspx?ID=69580

Bill Waite
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From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 10:56:29 2010
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:56:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <000901cb7208$8bb8a5b0$a329f110$@rr.com>
References: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
	<000901cb7208$8bb8a5b0$a329f110$@rr.com>
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Mine is insured to 42.  B 9473720

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 11:43:50 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:43:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
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Mark,

I don't know the exact scientific explanation, but the preventative is to
keep air from getting to the terminals. 

I now use the same dialectic grease I put on spark plug terminals. Though a
bit messy, the old-fashioned yellowish-brown wheel bearing grease used to
work very well, but I haven't been able to find it for years.

I seldom have to clean terminals between battery replacements as long as I
renew the dialectic grease occasionally. The red and green felt washers the
parts stores always try to sell you with a battery have never worked for
me.. 

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 11:05 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
> 
> What causes battery terminals to corrode?  The  positive on 
> my truck is good for about 6 months and then it 's cleaning 
> time  again.  The battery was recently replaced and the same 
> problem is  back.
> Mark L
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 13:35:39 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:35:39 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
Message-ID: <c10f3.8f6b37b.39f3418b@aol.com>

Thanks to all. I will try the dialectic grease.   I have the felt washers, 
and you're right, they do nothing.  
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:43:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
v8tracker at gmail.com writes:

Mark,

I don't know the exact scientific explanation, but the  preventative is to
keep air from getting to the terminals. 

I now  use the same dialectic grease I put on spark plug terminals. Though a
bit  messy, the old-fashioned yellowish-brown wheel bearing grease used to
work  very well, but I haven't been able to find it for years.

I seldom have  to clean terminals between battery replacements as long as I
renew the  dialectic grease occasionally. The red and green felt washers the
parts  stores always try to sell you with a battery have never worked for
me..  

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans


> -----Original  Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
>  [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
>  Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 11:05 AM
> To:  tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
>  
> What causes battery terminals to corrode?  The  positive on  
> my truck is good for about 6 months and then it 's cleaning 
>  time  again.  The battery was recently replaced and the same  
> problem is  back.
> Mark L
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Oct 22 14:04:59 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
In-Reply-To: <c10f3.8f6b37b.39f3418b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ED8B5E80C22C447DAFAA044283AAA0C4@ronpc1>

Mark
	The felt washer can work; you need to put ATF or grease on them and
maintain them that way.

The biggest problem is that as the battery charges it outgases and carries
some acid with it.  The acid collects on the top of the battery which
completes the circuit, which promotes corrosion and battery drain.  The felt
washers with ATF or grease or most any grease at the posts will stop or slow
the migration of the acid to the terminals.  So grease your terminals, cable
connections and clean any acid off the battery.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:36 PM
To: v8tracker at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery


Thanks to all. I will try the dialectic grease.   I have the felt washers,
and you're right, they do nothing.
Mark


In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:43:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
v8tracker at gmail.com writes:

Mark,

I don't know the exact scientific explanation, but the  preventative is to
keep air from getting to the terminals.

I now  use the same dialectic grease I put on spark plug terminals. Though a
bit  messy, the old-fashioned yellowish-brown wheel bearing grease used to
work  very well, but I haven't been able to find it for years.

I seldom have  to clean terminals between battery replacements as long as I
renew the  dialectic grease occasionally. The red and green felt washers the
parts  stores always try to sell you with a battery have never worked for
me..

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans


> -----Original  Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>  [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
>  Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 11:05 AM
> To:  tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
>
> What causes battery terminals to corrode?  The  positive on
> my truck is good for about 6 months and then it 's cleaning
>  time  again.  The battery was recently replaced and the same
> problem is  back.
> Mark L
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Oct 22 14:08:05 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:08:05 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
References: <46242.501a35f6.39f3102f@aol.com>
	<9CB4FBC5B9FF47CABDA534F42EB37B72@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <8B24F4FD2F404BF39A846465CE6AAB91@student2>

I have used the red "spray on" terminal protector with decent results.  It 
seems like a red tinted lacquer. Ultimately I think the best thing is to 
keep fluids from the terminals.  I assume the typical, dry, white-ish crust 
is the acid left after the water evaporates. Perhaps it gets out from 
sloshing, overfilling or even just accumulation from venting???

Then there is the black, oxidation-like layer you usually get between the 
terminal and the connector. Does lead oxidize???

Tom 

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 14:33:44 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:33:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <000901cb7208$8bb8a5b0$a329f110$@rr.com>
References: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
	<000901cb7208$8bb8a5b0$a329f110$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cb7228$6c5f14e0$451d3ea0$@rr.com>

I have seen your car and it's certainly above average. Of course, the real
value is whatever a buyer actually pays. 

-----Original Message-----
From: wsamouce [mailto:wsamouce at kc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:46 AM
To: 'Mike Michels'; 'Bill Waite'; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger'
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report

My MK1a B382002037 is insured at an agreed value of $40k.  Is it average?  

Duke

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mike Michels
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 11:39 AM
To: 'Bill Waite'; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report

Interesting assessment. 

C.A.T. recently had its monthly meeting at the offices of the NADA Used
Vehicle Guides publisher (these are real car guys with a great collection at
their offic). Interesting discussion of collectible car values in general.
They seem to think they will continue a modest trend upward, as long as
other more traditional investments have historically low returns. 

According to their collectible and classic appraisal guide, the range for Mk
1 and 1a tigers goes from 29200 up to 64900 for the top '66 Mk1a. Average
hovers around 40k. Mk2 range is 35800-72700. These are encouraging, to be
sure, but caveat is that they don't have visibility of all transactions,
especially private, so they gather info from auctions, ebay, brokers, and
feedback from owners and clubs like ours. 

Let the debate begin!

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bill Waite
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:38 AM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report

Please excuse this message if it is a repeat of a topic already posted.

Some interesting figures for Sunbeam Tigers.  See the comments section for a
bit more information.  Not sure if the figures are realistic, but it is nice
to see the positive trend (or not so nice if you don't own one yet).

http://www.hagerty.com/lifestyle/hobby_article.aspx?ID=69580

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 14:36:14 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:36:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=+b4z5cTc-ztdtBBadTt1VFJ2DoJxhMyzbUpd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
	<000901cb7208$8bb8a5b0$a329f110$@rr.com>
	<AANLkTi=+b4z5cTc-ztdtBBadTt1VFJ2DoJxhMyzbUpd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001cb7228$c5aa1ef0$50fe5cd0$@rr.com>

I'm coming to the conclusion I'm under-insured. 

 

From: Steve Ralsten [mailto:sralsten111 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:56 AM
To: wsamouce
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger; Bill Waite; Mike Michels
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report

 

Mine is insured to 42.  B 9473720

From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 15:41:03 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:41:03 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
Message-ID: <c85dc.428a96ff.39f35eef@aol.com>

Maybe their prices are from auctions results.  We  see what cars are going 
for on ebay and people telling us on this list about  their cars. It seems 
to me that cars that look good from 20' are selling in the  $22K-$28K range. 
To me that's an average car.
Mark 
 
 
In a message dated 10/22/2010 4:36:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mmichels at socal.rr.com writes:

I'm  coming to the conclusion I'm under-insured. 



From: Steve  Ralsten [mailto:sralsten111 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:56  AM
To: wsamouce
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger; Bill Waite; Mike  Michels
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market  Report



Mine is insured to 42.  B  9473720
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 16:05:30 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <c85dc.428a96ff.39f35eef@aol.com>
References: <c85dc.428a96ff.39f35eef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801cb7235$3e92eac0$bbb8c040$@rr.com>

They will be the first to agree. Auctions, ebay and dealers are the largest
portion of their data. They try, but it's very difficult for them to collect
private transactions on something as specialized as a Tiger. Using Sports
Car Market numbering, a 3 or maybe a 2 minus, is a nice, mostly complete and
functional (or at least as fully functional as olde English cars can be!)
ten-footer daily driver. That would seem to be a good baseline for an
average car, which I think is more like mid-30s

 

From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:41 PM
To: mmichels at socal.rr.com; sralsten111 at gmail.com; wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Cc: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report

 

Maybe their prices are from auctions results.  We see what cars are going
for on ebay and people telling us on this list about their cars. It seems to
me that cars that look good from 20' are selling in the $22K-$28K range. To
me that's an average car.

Mark 

 

In a message dated 10/22/2010 4:36:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mmichels at socal.rr.com writes:

I'm coming to the conclusion I'm under-insured. 



From: Steve Ralsten [mailto:sralsten111 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:56 AM
To: wsamouce
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger; Bill Waite; Mike Michels
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report



Mine is insured to 42.  B 9473720
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 16:09:19 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:09:19 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
Message-ID: <c9b02.76dd25e0.39f3658f@aol.com>

Ah, you're talking about 10 footers:-)  I  mentioned 20' because I think in
the past few months listers have shown cars  they sold or purchased and the
2 prices I remember are $22K and $28K. I  thought they were 20' cars.
Maybe we are thinking of different  condition cars.
Mark



They  will be the first to agree. Auctions, ebay and dealers are the
largest portion  of their data. They try, but itbs very difficult for them
to
collect private  transactions on something as specialized as a Tiger. Using
Sports Car Market  numbering, a 3 or maybe a 2 minus, is a nice, mostly
complete
and functional  (or at least as fully functional as olde English cars can
be!)  ten-footer daily driver. That would seem to be a good baseline for  an
average car, which I think is more like mid-30s

From denismercier at telvic.net  Fri Oct 22 16:11:38 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:11:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
References: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
	<000901cb7208$8bb8a5b0$a329f110$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <7938936262CE406EB383FC3C0D8D1A06@D7F0WHF1>

Duke.
My MK1A # B382000926LRXFE is insured at an agree value of 45000.00 Canadian 
money. I thing it's the price for a nice MK1A, but at that price 
my car is not for sale !
          Denis.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wsamouce" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: "'Mike Michels'" <mmichels at socal.rr.com>; "'Bill Waite'" 
<fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>; "'Tiger Talk List Tiger'" 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report


> My MK1a B382002037 is insured at an agreed value of $40k.  Is it average?
>
> Duke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Mike Michels
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 11:39 AM
> To: 'Bill Waite'; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger'
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
>
> Interesting assessment.
>
> C.A.T. recently had its monthly meeting at the offices of the NADA Used
> Vehicle Guides publisher (these are real car guys with a great collection 
> at
> their offic). Interesting discussion of collectible car values in general.
> They seem to think they will continue a modest trend upward, as long as
> other more traditional investments have historically low returns.
>
> According to their collectible and classic appraisal guide, the range for 
> Mk
> 1 and 1a tigers goes from 29200 up to 64900 for the top '66 Mk1a. Average
> hovers around 40k. Mk2 range is 35800-72700. These are encouraging, to be
> sure, but caveat is that they don't have visibility of all transactions,
> especially private, so they gather info from auctions, ebay, brokers, and
> feedback from owners and clubs like ours.
>
> Let the debate begin!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Bill Waite
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:38 AM
> To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
> Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
>
> Please excuse this message if it is a repeat of a topic already posted.
>
> Some interesting figures for Sunbeam Tigers.  See the comments section for 
> a
> bit more information.  Not sure if the figures are realistic, but it is 
> nice
> to see the positive trend (or not so nice if you don't own one yet).
>
> http://www.hagerty.com/lifestyle/hobby_article.aspx?ID=69580
>
> Bill Waite
> Grand Rapids, MI
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Fri Oct 22 16:31:03 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:31:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
In-Reply-To: <46242.501a35f6.39f3102f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501cb7238$cfdea0c0$6601a8c0@Brennan>

A friend, an ex army truck maintenance guy (and VT resident), recommends
greasing your battery terminals.  Not fluffy little spray grease, but
heavy wheel bearing grease, or something like that.  Not just a little,
get it all over the whole thing, take out the clamping bolt.  And renew
it yearly.  I've had fewer problems since I started doing this.

Stu

From denismercier at telvic.net  Fri Oct 22 16:41:33 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:41:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger cooling
Message-ID: <A28F23D5CE9D40EC8F26D6E3D1B7713C@D7F0WHF1>

Hi listers.
After the instalation of a 180 thermostat, and after reading the (cooling the
Tiger( on TE/AE website i decided to make a (enclosed fan shroud( it's not
easy......
By the same time i want to instal a Derale # 17015 fan, is someone tried to do
these changes ? If yes what is the results (cooling) ?
           Denis.

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 16:45:30 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:45:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <c9b02.76dd25e0.39f3658f@aol.com>
References: <c9b02.76dd25e0.39f3658f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201cb723a$d4f692f0$7ee3b8d0$@rr.com>

Indeed, we may have to consult the National Bureau of Standards to calibrate
our 10-footer vs 20-footer tape measures!!! Of course, it couldnbt possibly
be that my eyesight isnbt what it used to beb&b&







From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:09 PM
To: mmichels at socal.rr.com; sralsten111 at gmail.com; wsamouce at kc.rr.com
Cc: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report



Ah, you're talking about 10 footers:-)  I mentioned 20' because I think in the
past few months listers have shown cars they sold or purchased and the 2
prices I remember are $22K and $28K. I thought they were 20' cars.   Maybe we
are thinking of different condition cars.

Mark



They will be the first to agree. Auctions, ebay and dealers are the largest
portion of their data. They try, but itbs very difficult for them to collect
private transactions on something as specialized as a Tiger. Using Sports Car
Market numbering, a 3 or maybe a 2 minus, is a nice, mostly complete and
functional (or at least as fully functional as olde English cars can be!)
ten-footer daily driver. That would seem to be a good baseline for an average
car, which I think is more like mid-30s

From shutchin at netjets.com  Fri Oct 22 16:47:18 2010
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:47:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408966BA8@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

Get an Optima. No gas venting. No corrosion. No explosion worries. 

Mine has been in the car 5+ years and looks just like it did when I bought it. 


Scott Hutchinson
Pilot, NJI, Inc. 

Mobile 843.290.2805

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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 17:35:32 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:35:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] non Tiger-battery
In-Reply-To: <000501cb7238$cfdea0c0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <46242.501a35f6.39f3102f@aol.com>
	<000501cb7238$cfdea0c0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin01LMO8Zpi7WYFvi4ySX4=Ug+gWxrsoiYgq46b@mail.gmail.com>

I'll look for corroboration from the engineers in the group, but here's my
thought...

The battery out-gasses and is subject to condensation when the engine is
cool. The condensation conducts electricity. Not a lot, but some. If the
terminals are not isolated from the case there can be a build up of residue
on both terminals, more so on the positive terminal. Wheel bearing grease
works, so do the felt washers if they're oiled, although not as good as the
 grease. The Optima is sealed, and is gel filled, so no condensation and no
build up.

Anyhow, over fifty plus years of driving the only traditional batteries I've
had that didn't have corrosion buildup had grease under the  terminals or
oiled felt washers. When the Kitty gets a new life it'll be with an Optima
battery... in a battery box... with a vent through the hole in the boot
floor.

Tom

' 67 Mark 2 being reborn.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net> wrote:

> A friend, an ex army truck maintenance guy (and VT resident), recommends
> greasing your battery terminals.  Not fluffy little spray grease, but
> heavy wheel bearing grease, or something like that.  Not just a little,
> get it all over the whole thing, take out the clamping bolt.  And renew
> it yearly.  I've had fewer problems since I started doing this.
>
> Stu
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 19:35:29 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:35:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Gas Tank Crossover Tubes
Message-ID: <45F1501829404C75BE27EA2FF5941BDA@OfficePC>

Hey,

 

A long, long time ago my car was wrecked in the back quarter panel and as I
am finally getting the car put back together I have discovered that one of
the gas tank tubes was crushed a little.  I'm talking about one of the
smaller ones that goes between one of the tanks and the larger tube in the
middle of the trunk.  That sounds confusing.  Let me try again.  You have a
tank in the driver's side fender which feeds through a short piece of rubber
hose to a metal tube that then feeds into another short piece of rubber hose
which then joins the large tube in the middle of the trunk which then feeds
out to the fuel line to the pump and beyond.  What I am looking for is the
smaller metal tube that goes between the tank and the larger metal tube.

 

Is this something where I can just buy some exhaust tubing and get it bent
to the right shape?

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 22 20:00:50 2010
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:00:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <2035906381-1287790225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-432805612-@bda733.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <237936.1712.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I suppose a "market value" report issued by an insurance company like Hagerty
has a certain natural "upward" bias.  They more you insure the car for, the
higher the premiums they collect.  My Mark II is insured with them, but for a
lot less than they state as their current value.

Truth is, I don't know how much the car is worth.  I may find out sometime
next year, as I'm thinking of selling it after 32 years of ownership.  I have
been giving a lot of consideration to the new ERA slabside Cobra kit... and
also need to cover the costs of restoring a Mark I Tiger (owned since 1979,
all there, but needs restoration).

Couple of pics of my Mark II at these links:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/B382100437TACEVENT8.01.09.JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/DAYTONTAC.JPG

BTW... what is the consensus (if there is one) as to the best way to sell a
very nice Tiger these days?  Off hand it seems eBay would be the way to go,
assuming you set a  reasonably high reserve to "protect" against letting it go
too cheaply just based on timing.   But, there are a lot of good ways to
promote a private sale, too.  I'd be interested in suggestions.

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI




 

From jliny5 at cox.net  Fri Oct 22 20:09:14 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:09:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty British Market Report
In-Reply-To: <237936.1712.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <237936.1712.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3845560DB3AD4E4C951C75B7EC83F11F@JPC>

Bill

>From somebody who just purchased his first Tiger in a private sale, I can say
that this list and the people on it are an invaluable network to sell your
car. I joined this list months before I actually made my purchase. I let it be
known I was interested and it was a member of the list who directed me to the
car I bought. That endorsement was a significant factor in my decision,
especially for a newbie. I am sure the list and its network could work to the
sellers benefit just as well.

Jim Lindner
B9470033
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Waite
  To: denis mercier ; tigers-bounces at autox.team.net ; wsamouce ; 'Mike
Michels' ; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' ; jliny5 at cox.net
  Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 10:00 PM
  Subject: Hagerty British Market Report



        I suppose a "market value" report issued by an insurance company like
Hagerty has a certain natural "upward" bias.  They more you insure the car
for, the higher the premiums they collect.  My Mark II is insured with them,
but for a lot less than they state as their current value.

        Truth is, I don't know how much the car is worth.  I may find out
sometime next year, as I'm thinking of selling it after 32 years of ownership.
I have been giving a lot of consideration to the new ERA slabside Cobra kit...
and also need to cover the costs of restoring a Mark I Tiger (owned since
1979, all there, but needs restoration).

        Couple of pics of my Mark II at these links:

        http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/B382100437TACEVENT8.01.
09.JPG

        http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/DAYTONTAC.JPG

        BTW... what is the consensus (if there is one) as to the best way to
sell a very nice Tiger these days?  Off hand it seems eBay would be the way to
go, assuming you set a  reasonably high reserve to "protect" against letting
it go too cheaply just based on timing.   But, there are a lot of good ways to
promote a private sale, too.  I'd be interested in suggestions.

        Regards,

        Bill Waite
        Grand Rapids, MI

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 21:44:20 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:44:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gas Tank Crossover Tubes
In-Reply-To: <45F1501829404C75BE27EA2FF5941BDA@OfficePC>
References: <45F1501829404C75BE27EA2FF5941BDA@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinXbnOngp8Wg-mNA-3zO51nWYOXTk+Lo6FaeCYd@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

I had a boat once with the filler at the stern and the tank in front of the
engine. The connection was by a long hose about the diameter of the short
hoses that connect the pipes together. You might try NAPA or a boat supply
house and see if they carry the hose. Then it's a cut and fit project. The
bend is gradual and the hose won't crimp. (It also won't collapse if you get
hit again.) If memory serves I bought hose at my local NAPA store.

The pipes show up on E-Bay occasionally.

Tom ' 67 Mark 2 being reborn

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey,
>
>
>
> A long, long time ago my car was wrecked in the back quarter panel and as I
> am finally getting the car put back together I have discovered that one of
> the gas tank tubes was crushed a little.  I'm talking about one of the
> smaller ones that goes between one of the tanks and the larger tube in the
> middle of the trunk.  That sounds confusing.  Let me try again.  You have a
> tank in the driver's side fender which feeds through a short piece of
> rubber
> hose to a metal tube that then feeds into another short piece of rubber
> hose
> which then joins the large tube in the middle of the trunk which then feeds
> out to the fuel line to the pump and beyond.  What I am looking for is the
> smaller metal tube that goes between the tank and the larger metal tube.
>
>
>
> Is this something where I can just buy some exhaust tubing and get it bent
> to the right shape?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
> Arlington, TX
>
> B382000217
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From rande at thecia.net  Fri Oct 22 21:44:18 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:44:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] balance pipes for gas tanks
Message-ID: <4cc25a12.1d30.0@thecia.net>

As far as the steel pipes are concerned, you may find them easily on eBay on
either the US site or UK (ebay.co.uk). You may find that the seller wants to
sell  a complete set. You may want to clean the pipes out, and recoat them as
well as the two tanks  so that you don't get paint flakes clogging your fuel
lines, and Sunbeam Specialties sells the short rubber connector hoses (four
per car).

RB

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Fri Oct 22 21:52:37 2010
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:52:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gas Tank Crossover Tubes
In-Reply-To: <45F1501829404C75BE27EA2FF5941BDA@OfficePC>
References: <45F1501829404C75BE27EA2FF5941BDA@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <D51389A21E7F4EA3AF3EADDECBA74EC2@owner9967ddf8c>

 Joe wrote:
What I am looking for is the
smaller metal tube that goes between the tank and the larger metal tube.

Joe, the short pieces are the same on Alpines and Tigers. The long piece
that has the fitting for tube to fuel pump is different for the models. 
You can get the tube you want from Mike Schriener. RObin

From hsindsen at online.no  Sat Oct 23 01:50:05 2010
From: hsindsen at online.no (Helge Sindsen)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:50:05 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] 67 Tiger sold
Message-ID: <000001cb7286$e9fcbcf0$bdf636d0$@no>

67 Tiger sold fore 120000 $ in Norway

From denismercier at telvic.net  Sat Oct 23 05:17:10 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 07:17:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger cooling
References: <BLU151-ds7C8674C20FCB32ACB56C2F75F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5BDFE71C906E4BCFA7F90513F8B6D2B1@D7F0WHF1>

Hi Brent.
His the Derale fan make more noise than an other fan ? What is the problem
with weight ?
           Thanks !
           Denis.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Brent Edinger
  To: denismercier at telvic.net
  Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:07 AM
  Subject: Tiger cooling


  Denis, I have the Derale # 17015 fan installed on my car and it works very
good however it weighs a ton.
  I've been lurking around looking for the ford 6 blade fan that is way
lighter.

                       Brent Edinger

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Sat Oct 23 06:56:06 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger cooling
In-Reply-To: <A28F23D5CE9D40EC8F26D6E3D1B7713C@D7F0WHF1>
References: <A28F23D5CE9D40EC8F26D6E3D1B7713C@D7F0WHF1>
Message-ID: <4CC2DB66.1040808@cs.com>

Hi Dennis-

Most of this is from a post I did a year or so ago.  I based my decisions on the information in Tiger Tom's article on the TE/AE website.  I ended up NOT closing the bottom half of the fan shroud because it seemed way too tedious, and it has not been a problem for me.

I have used the 15" Derale flex-fan available from Summit Racing with a
part number DER-17015!  This fan is an easy fit and is extremely
efficient at both low and high speeds.  The only issue could be
clearance with the steering rack.  I had to put one flatwasher under
each of my motor mounts (the mounts were new at the time) to get
clearance.  Tiger Tom warns against cutting the diameter of the fan down
as most of the efficiency is at the outer diameter.  Shimming the motor
mounts is really quite easy, but don't overdue it or the air cleaner
will hit the hood.  I also used one of the Ford Fairmont water pump
pulleys to increase the speed of the pump and fan.  Somebody is selling
a nice machined version of that pulley in the TE/AE newsletter.  While
you are working on all that stuff, you might want to do something with
your radiator if you haven't already.  I had my original radiator
recored with a modern core.  Also make certain to block your horn
holes.  With that combination of upgrades, I can idle or run at highway
speeds all day long in the humid 100 degree Mid-Atlantic summer heat
with the engine running right at the thermostat setting.

-Randy


On 10/22/2010 6:41 PM, denis mercier wrote:
> Hi listers.
> After the instalation of a 180 thermostat, and after reading the (cooling the
> Tiger( on TE/AE website i decided to make a (enclosed fan shroud( it's not
> easy......
> By the same time i want to instal a Derale # 17015 fan, is someone tried to do
> these changes ? If yes what is the results (cooling) ?
>             Denis.
> _______________________________________________
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>

-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct 23 07:57:31 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:57:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Cooling
Message-ID: <4CC2E9CB.7030505@roadrunner.com>

Denis:

I have the Derale fan on my Tiger and am quite pleased with it.  In 
order to install it and position it correctly - approx 2/3 inside the 
shroud and 1/3 outside, according to the TEAE study - I had to make a 
spacer about a half inch thick between the fan and the face of the water 
pump.  I used plexiglass but you could use most anything.  The other 
issue is positioning the engine correctly so that the fan does not hit 
the shroud or the rack.  This can be done by shimming the motor mounts 
with washers to raise the engine a bit.  It has made quite a 
difference.  When sitting in a July 4th parade behind the tractors a few 
years ago at an ambient in the low 90's F, it never got above 210 F.  If 
you close in the shroud you should never have any trouble.  If you do, 
I'd like to see how you did it, if you could post some pics.  If you 
would like pics of my Derale fan, I can send them to you.

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From denismercier at telvic.net  Sat Oct 23 08:07:21 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:07:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Cooling
References: <4CC2E9CB.7030505@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <081725D9B9574DEB91C59EBFAA0D134E@D7F0WHF1>

Hi Tod.
I will send you pictures of fan shroud (closed(  later today.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tod Brown
  To: tigers at autox.team.net ; denis mercier
  Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:57 AM
  Subject: Re: Tiger Cooling


  Denis:

  I have the Derale fan on my Tiger and am quite pleased with it.  In order to
install it and position it correctly - approx 2/3 inside the shroud and 1/3
outside, according to the TEAE study - I had to make a spacer about a half
inch thick between the fan and the face of the water pump.  I used plexiglass
but you could use most anything.  The other issue is positioning the engine
correctly so that the fan does not hit the shroud or the rack.  This can be
done by shimming the motor mounts with washers to raise the engine a bit.  It
has made quite a difference.  When sitting in a July 4th parade behind the
tractors a few years ago at an ambient in the low 90's F, it never got above
210 F.  If you close in the shroud you should never have any trouble.  If you
do, I'd like to see how you did it, if you could post some pics.  If you would
like pics of my Derale fan, I can send them to you.

  Cheers,

  Tod
  B382002384LRXFE

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 08:29:09 2010
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:29:09 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] battery terminals
Message-ID: <123ab9.32bf5a29.39f44b35@aol.com>

I disagree with the guy who blobs his terminals with grease. I have found  
that this grease heats up and eventualy leaks between the post and battery  
terminal causing a poor connection. Keeping the etrminal clean is still the 
best  way to stay on top of this problem. Besides, it looks like crap. 
Remember  these  two  connections are the most important connections in the  car. 
Personally, clean is the way to go. Tight helps  to.        Beau  9470951

From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 09:42:06 2010
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:42:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] battery terminals
In-Reply-To: <123ab9.32bf5a29.39f44b35@aol.com>
References: <123ab9.32bf5a29.39f44b35@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxtghPGFa+RQHUf4m1gJHzO3BLCOrS7z3P4Amn@mail.gmail.com>

I use those little red and green felt washers that go on the post under each
terminal. They work well. Get them at Sears auto dept.
   Jeff

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:29 AM, <BEAU2EVE at aol.com> wrote:

> I disagree with the guy who blobs his terminals with grease. I have found
> that this grease heats up and eventualy leaks between the post and battery
> terminal causing a poor connection. Keeping the etrminal clean is still the
> best  way to stay on top of this problem. Besides, it looks like crap.
> Remember  these  two  connections are the most important connections in the
>  car.
> Personally, clean is the way to go. Tight helps  to.        Beau  9470951
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 09:58:46 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:58:46 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] battery terminals
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikxtghPGFa+RQHUf4m1gJHzO3BLCOrS7z3P4Amn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <123ab9.32bf5a29.39f44b35@aol.com>
	<AANLkTikxtghPGFa+RQHUf4m1gJHzO3BLCOrS7z3P4Amn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYKHTdhFeqzMJkQADEAzrM37uj_+=8RYKCEiTT@mail.gmail.com>

I've never had any corrosion using optima batteries.  I guess because
they are sealed.  I never use grease either - they just stay clean
year after year.....

On Saturday, October 23, 2010, Jeffery Randall <jefferyrandall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I use those little red and green felt washers that go on the post under
each
> terminal. They work well. Get them at Sears auto dept.
>    Jeff
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:29 AM, <BEAU2EVE at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I disagree with the guy who blobs his terminals with grease. I have found
>> that this grease heats up and eventualy leaks between the post and battery
>> terminal causing a poor connection. Keeping the etrminal clean is still
the
>> best  way to stay on top of this problem. Besides, it looks like crap.
>> Remember  these  two  connections are the most important connections in
the
>>  car.
>> Personally, clean is the way to go. Tight helps  to.        Beau  9470951
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 11:44:22 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:44:22 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] battery terminals
Message-ID: <77b1b.51a2c75e.39f478f6@aol.com>

I actually have sime  "heat proof' grease I  might try.  It's used to lube 
gas valves as found in kitchen cooking  ranges.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2010 10:29:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
BEAU2EVE at aol.com writes:

I  disagree with the guy who blobs his terminals with grease. I have found  
 
that this grease heats up and eventualy leaks between the post and  battery 
 
terminal causing a poor connection. Keeping the etrminal  clean is still 
the 
best  way to stay on top of this problem. Besides,  it looks like crap. 
Remember  these  two  connections are  the most important connections in 
the  car. 
Personally, clean is the  way to go. Tight helps  to.        Beau   9470951
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From milward at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct 23 12:10:45 2010
From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:10:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Battery Terminals
Message-ID: <0EFA376AF5634B8C961911E3CCA35A35@BillPC>

I always use the black conductive grease they make for model electric trains.
You can get it at model shops made for LGB.

Bill Rogers
B9472703

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Oct 23 13:45:20 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 12:45:20 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Happy Halloween
Message-ID: <4CC33B50.2030805@socal.rr.com>

Tigers,

You just might like this Holiday Greeting, just  for you!  Have your 
sound on!


http://ak.imgag.com/imgag/product/preview/flash/bws8Shell.swf?ihost=http://ak.imgag.com/imgag&brandldrPath=/product/full/el/&cardNum=/product/full/ap/3125133/graphic1 
<http://ak.imgag.com/imgag/product/preview/flash/bws8Shell.swf?ihost=http://ak.imgag.com/imgag&brandldrPath=/product/full/el/&cardNum=/product/full/ap/3125133/graphic1>

-- 



/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Oct 23 13:54:09 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 12:54:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] No Tiger Content: - But lot's of Cars
Message-ID: <4CC33D61.4050204@socal.rr.com>

Yeah,

Lot's of cars, no Tiger I could find.  Must be there somewhere!
*
http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/exhibit/video/4-minutes-wunderland/*
-- 



/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>


*<http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/exhibit/video/4-minutes-wunderland/>
*

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 15:26:03 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 17:26:03 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust smell
Message-ID: <ebcf5.fceeb56.39f4aceb@aol.com>

Had my top up for the first time in about 3 years the  other day.  With the 
top up I've always had an exhaust smell in the  car.  I haven't had the 
hard top on for about 10 yrs., but I think I had  the same problem with that.
So, what's the consensus of the cause?  There are  no exhaust leaks and the 
tail pipe ends go just about to the edge of the  bumper.  The trunk lid has 
the original rubber which isn't torn, but  probably doesn't seal that well.
I figure the smell has to be coming in under the  trunk lid, around the 
bottom of the soft top or in through the windows that  don't fit all that tight.
Years ago I actually sealed the area pretty well  between the trunk and the 
interior of the cars...removed the floppy piece of  vinyl and put in thin 
plywood covered with carpet. Also used fiberglass  insulation and sealed all 
the cracks.  That didn't seem to help much.   So, at that time my theory was 
the smell must be coming in around the bottom of  the top or around the 
windows.
Do these things build up some kind of negative  pressure inside the 
passenger compartment?
Would sure like to get rid of that  smell.
Mark L

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 15:31:00 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:31:00 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust smell
In-Reply-To: <ebcf5.fceeb56.39f4aceb@aol.com>
References: <ebcf5.fceeb56.39f4aceb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmSx8a8Kuc6prga18m2tq9EWmX=a_NBGccxA6u@mail.gmail.com>

I have a bit of that too with the soft top up.  drives my wife nuts.
it's ok in the drivers seat oddly but not in the passenger seat.  my
solution is wind the window down fully.  not sure if helps much
though.

On Saturday, October 23, 2010,  <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:
> Had my top up for the first time in about 3 years the  other day.  With the
> top up I've always had an exhaust smell in the  car.  I haven't had the
> hard top on for about 10 yrs., but I think I had  the same problem with
that.
> So, what's the consensus of the cause?  There are  no exhaust leaks and the
> tail pipe ends go just about to the edge of the  bumper.  The trunk lid has
> the original rubber which isn't torn, but  probably doesn't seal that well.
> I figure the smell has to be coming in under the  trunk lid, around the
> bottom of the soft top or in through the windows that  don't fit all that
tight.
> Years ago I actually sealed the area pretty well  between the trunk and the
> interior of the cars...removed the floppy piece of  vinyl and put in thin
> plywood covered with carpet. Also used fiberglass  insulation and sealed
all
> the cracks.  That didn't seem to help much.   So, at that time my theory
was
> the smell must be coming in around the bottom of  the top or around the
> windows.
> Do these things build up some kind of negative  pressure inside the
> passenger compartment?
> Would sure like to get rid of that  smell.
> Mark L
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 17:05:59 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:05:59 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust smell
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmSx8a8Kuc6prga18m2tq9EWmX=a_NBGccxA6u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebcf5.fceeb56.39f4aceb@aol.com>
	<AANLkTimmSx8a8Kuc6prga18m2tq9EWmX=a_NBGccxA6u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimvHT9y2gQmeZYa_Euh1eXtEwrhHc-pQKPQSYfU@mail.gmail.com>

I have this problem in my alpines and tigers, i think the exhuast gasses get
sucked back though the boot (trunk) area.. if you have a MKIA open the fresh
air vents that helps.. but either way.. seems a comon issue to all older
cars.. hey.. what about the fuel smell from the engine bay... with windows
up and vents closed with the roof on i think i could almost pass out with
that mix.. i guess roof down is the best way.. otherwise try and get fresh
air in ( windows slightly cranked hardtop indows proped open or scuttle
vents open.. i have no solutitons to offer nothing i have tried has worked.

On 24 October 2010 08:31, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a bit of that too with the soft top up.  drives my wife nuts.
> it's ok in the drivers seat oddly but not in the passenger seat.  my
> solution is wind the window down fully.  not sure if helps much
> though.
>
> On Saturday, October 23, 2010,  <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:
> > Had my top up for the first time in about 3 years the  other day.  With
> the
> > top up I've always had an exhaust smell in the  car.  I haven't had the
> > hard top on for about 10 yrs., but I think I had  the same problem with
> that.
> > So, what's the consensus of the cause?  There are  no exhaust leaks and
> the
> > tail pipe ends go just about to the edge of the  bumper.  The trunk lid
> has
> > the original rubber which isn't torn, but  probably doesn't seal that
> well.
> > I figure the smell has to be coming in under the  trunk lid, around the
> > bottom of the soft top or in through the windows that  don't fit all that
> tight.
> > Years ago I actually sealed the area pretty well  between the trunk and
> the
> > interior of the cars...removed the floppy piece of  vinyl and put in thin
> > plywood covered with carpet. Also used fiberglass  insulation and sealed
> all
> > the cracks.  That didn't seem to help much.   So, at that time my theory
> was
> > the smell must be coming in around the bottom of  the top or around the
> > windows.
> > Do these things build up some kind of negative  pressure inside the
> > passenger compartment?
> > Would sure like to get rid of that  smell.
> > Mark L
> > _______________________________________________
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 17:32:55 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:32:55 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust smell
Message-ID: <efc32.1d90b9bd.39f4caa7@aol.com>

Seems there must be some solution. If this was  happening with new cars I'm 
sure they would have been blasted by car magazines  that tested them.
 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2010 7:06:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

I have  this problem in my alpines and tigers, i think the exhuast gasses 
get sucked  back though the boot (trunk) area.. if you have a MKIA open the 
fresh air  vents that helps.. but either way.. seems a comon issue to all 
older cars..  hey.. what about the fuel smell from the engine bay... with 
windows up and  vents closed with the roof on i think i could almost pass out 
with that mix..  i guess roof down is the best way.. otherwise try and get 
fresh air in (  windows slightly cranked hardtop indows proped open or scuttle 
vents open.. i  have no solutitons to offer nothing i have tried has worked.

On 24 October 2010 08:31, Owain Lloyd <_owain.lloyd at gmail.com_ 
(mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com) >  wrote:

I have a bit of that too with the soft top up.  drives my wife nuts.
it's ok in the drivers seat oddly but not in  the passenger seat.  my
solution is wind the window down fully.  not sure if helps much
though.



On Saturday, October 23, 2010,  <_CoolVT at aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT at aol.com) > 
wrote:
> Had my  top up for the first time in about 3 years the  other day.  With  
the
> top up I've always had an exhaust smell in the  car.  I haven't had the
> hard top on for about 10 yrs., but I think I  had  the same problem with
that.
> So, what's the consensus of  the cause?  There are  no exhaust leaks and 
the
> tail pipe  ends go just about to the edge of the  bumper.  The trunk lid  
has
> the original rubber which isn't torn, but  probably doesn't  seal that 
well.
> I figure the smell has to be coming in under the  trunk lid, around the
> bottom of the soft top or in through the  windows that  don't fit all that
tight.
> Years ago I actually  sealed the area pretty well  between the trunk and 
the
> interior  of the cars...removed the floppy piece of  vinyl and put in  
thin
> plywood covered with carpet. Also used fiberglass  insulation and sealed
all
> the cracks.  That didn't  seem to help much.   So, at that time my theory
was
> the  smell must be coming in around the bottom of  the top or around  the
> windows.
> Do these things build up some kind of negative  pressure inside the
> passenger compartment?
> Would sure  like to get rid of that  smell.
> Mark L
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From dave at munroe.ca  Sat Oct 23 19:57:23 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:57:23 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust smell
In-Reply-To: <efc32.1d90b9bd.39f4caa7@aol.com>
References: <efc32.1d90b9bd.39f4caa7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <99C9E13A51D942D1AD4459BA5398E8AE@DavePC>

Hi Mark:

Interesting topic. I had the problem in my boot too - but not in the cockpit 
with the top up, strangely. It was a problem for my co-pilote because it 
made all her clothes etc in the boot smell like exhaust. (Not a good thing 
if you want/need a co-pilot!)

But I think you nailed the cause - leaks into the boot area. Before I got my 
engine rebuilt, it smoked pretty badly. After a long road trip, there was a 
pattern of black oily soot over the bumper, tail lights and boot lid up to 
the "Sunbeam" letters. There is definitely a negative pressure area directly 
behind the car that draws the exhaust fumes up along the surface of the boot 
from the bottom up. The joint between the boot lid and the body across the 
bottom and up the sides is really exposed to these fumes, and if there is a 
gap in this area, fumes will get in.

I installed a new boot gasket, and found areas that were not sealing by 
closing the lid on a strip of thick paper and trying to slide it along. I 
had an open section on the passenger side lower corner, and laid a thin 
piece of household weather strip along the sealing edge. There were a few 
other areas that allowed the paper to move, and I sealed them the same way.

There were also some holes in the floor of the boot (not rust!) such as 
directly under the lid latch, and in the fender wells under the fuel tanks. 
(Drain holes or some such I think.) I filled those with that black body 
putty that comes in long round strips and can be molded to stick in and over 
these holes. (We used to call it "dum dum" in the olden days!).

Best way to find these holes is to lay under the boot area and have your 
co-pilot move a really bright shop light around in the trunk.

Best of luck with yours, Mark!
Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
To: <michael.s.king at gmail.com>; <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
Cc: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust smell


> Seems there must be some solution. If this was  happening with new cars 
> I'm
> sure they would have been blasted by car magazines  that tested them.
>
>
> In a message dated 10/23/2010 7:06:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:
>
> I have  this problem in my alpines and tigers, i think the exhuast gasses
> get sucked  back though the boot (trunk) area.. if you have a MKIA open 
> the
> fresh air  vents that helps.. but either way.. seems a comon issue to all
> older cars..  hey.. what about the fuel smell from the engine bay... with
> windows up and  vents closed with the roof on i think i could almost pass 
> out
> with that mix..  i guess roof down is the best way.. otherwise try and get
> fresh air in (  windows slightly cranked hardtop indows proped open or 
> scuttle
> vents open.. i  have no solutitons to offer nothing i have tried has 
> worked.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct 24 17:04:26 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:04:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust smell
In-Reply-To: <99C9E13A51D942D1AD4459BA5398E8AE@DavePC>
Message-ID: <24A927C2251944CCA61DE38122F3DE58@ronpc1>

	Dave has covered most of the points here but there is one more that
I have yet to investigate and I believe is very important.

	The Parts List shows part 2201729 Sealing washer-2, for the rear
bumper mounting.  I believe there is a double layer of sheet metal at the
rear mounting points with a gap between them.  The sealing washer should
seal the exhaust fumes and dirt that Dave notes from entering this gap in
the bodywork.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Munroe
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:57 PM
To: CoolVT at aol.com
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust smell


Hi Mark:

Interesting topic. I had the problem in my boot too - but not in the cockpit

with the top up, strangely. It was a problem for my co-pilote because it
made all her clothes etc in the boot smell like exhaust. (Not a good thing
if you want/need a co-pilot!)

But I think you nailed the cause - leaks into the boot area. Before I got my

engine rebuilt, it smoked pretty badly. After a long road trip, there was a
pattern of black oily soot over the bumper, tail lights and boot lid up to
the "Sunbeam" letters. There is definitely a negative pressure area directly

behind the car that draws the exhaust fumes up along the surface of the boot

from the bottom up. The joint between the boot lid and the body across the
bottom and up the sides is really exposed to these fumes, and if there is a
gap in this area, fumes will get in.

I installed a new boot gasket, and found areas that were not sealing by
closing the lid on a strip of thick paper and trying to slide it along. I
had an open section on the passenger side lower corner, and laid a thin
piece of household weather strip along the sealing edge. There were a few
other areas that allowed the paper to move, and I sealed them the same way.

There were also some holes in the floor of the boot (not rust!) such as
directly under the lid latch, and in the fender wells under the fuel tanks.
(Drain holes or some such I think.) I filled those with that black body
putty that comes in long round strips and can be molded to stick in and over

these holes. (We used to call it "dum dum" in the olden days!).

Best way to find these holes is to lay under the boot area and have your
co-pilot move a really bright shop light around in the trunk.

Best of luck with yours, Mark!
Dave

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Oct 25 08:49:19 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:49:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger related , Alpine I front seats
Message-ID: <4cc598ef.72f6.0@thecia.net>

re: eBay item # 300484106105

1960 Alpine Ser. I
Bad news, the front seats are not original. The good news(for Camaro people)
is that a seemingly good pair of 1967 Camaro Custom Interior Option bucket seats
have replaced them. I wonder what's worth more, this Alpine or just the seats?

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 09:39:50 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger related , Alpine I front seats
In-Reply-To: <4cc598ef.72f6.0@thecia.net>
References: <4cc598ef.72f6.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <003b01cb745a$ddc6e7f0$9954b7d0$@com>

Rande, I just want to let you know that while I can COMPLETELY appreciate
the effort to keep the list only Tiger related...i don't think you need to
preface "Alpine" discussions with the non-tiger disclaimer...that still
qualifies to me...

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of rande
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:49 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; alpines at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger related , Alpine I front seats

re: eBay item # 300484106105

1960 Alpine Ser. I
Bad news, the front seats are not original. The good news(for Camaro people)
is that a seemingly good pair of 1967 Camaro Custom Interior Option bucket
seats
have replaced them. I wonder what's worth more, this Alpine or just the
seats?

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 10:50:52 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:50:52 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Engine help, 302
Message-ID: <86aa9.36d963c9.39f70f6c@aol.com>

Hi All,
My rebuild was on hold for a month or so. I had to make the "big" camshaft  
decision.
 
This is not my first engine build, but it is the first in a while, so I  
read a lot and got more confused with each read. I have also called several 
tech  lines.
 
I have a 1985 roller cam 302. It has stock fulcrum rockers (not rail  type) 
and has pushrod guide plates.
 
A)  I splurged for a set of Edelbrock 60229 Performer aluminum  heads.
 
B) Edelbrock Performer 2121 Intake manifold.
 
C) Holley 0-1850 600CFM carb
 
D) I bought a Ford Motorsports  M-6250-B303 camshaft
 
E) Ford Motorsports M-6565-L302 pushrods
 
(on engine teardown, I found the engine has what appears to be a Edelbrock  
2121 cam (per end markings)
 
1) I was told I can re-use my roller lifters, they are low miles since new. 
 Your thoughts?
 
2) I read that the "stock" timing chain and gears are retarded for  
pollution control. My chain and gears are a double row set with E3AE-A3A on the  
gear. Any thoughts?
 
3) The replacement FMS push rods do NOT have the "collars" the originals  
did. The collars look like a band of metal about 1/3rd the way up (or down) 
the  PRT. I was told these are to protect against valve float? Ideas?
 
Thanks in advance,
Tom  Milton
Lansing, IL.
1964 Tiger  project
B382000257

From denismercier at telvic.net  Mon Oct 25 10:53:19 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Ford fan
Message-ID: <E5F812D7072D4F199375CD35CF07F958@D7F0WHF1>

Hi guys.
I found in my lot of parts a Ford fan 18(  6 blades with that on each blade
FOMOCO SCF63  F11315. His someone can tell me on what car or truck this fan
can go ?
Or is there is a Ford forum who can help me with that ?
                 Thanks !
                 Denis.

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 11:09:30 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:09:30 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Engine help, 302
Message-ID: <8b0.6861026a.39f713ca@aol.com>

After checking the Edelbrock site, It doesn't look like this is a cam of  
their's. I guess I'll keep the B303 and use it.
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 10/25/2010 11:55:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
Gyroplanes at aol.com writes:

(on  engine teardown, I found the engine has what appears to be a Edelbrock 
  
2121 cam (per end markings)

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 12:29:23 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:29:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Engine help, 302
In-Reply-To: <86aa9.36d963c9.39f70f6c@aol.com>
References: <86aa9.36d963c9.39f70f6c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D19D9171CA964C5CA2ABD83AC9ED7C1B@DellD4700>

Tom,

I can help with at least the first question. Yes, you can reuse roller
lifters with a different cam, unlike flat lifters, though some people
recommend buying new ones. I would suggest using new lifter money towards
buying a set of roller rocker arms. Less friction means more usable power
and cooler oil. I don't know about the stud mounted rockers for the
Edelbrock heads, but the Ford B351 pedestal mount rockers fit under the
stock cast aluminum "Power by Ford" valve covers from the mid 1980's. I
believe those are the same dimensions as the "COBRA" and "TIGER" cast
aluminum valve covers.

To be on the safe side, you may want to disassemble the old lifters and
clean them, which is easy to do. Let me know if you need more details as I
just did it for a 302 I built.

I have not heard about the stock timing set being retarded. The number you
have is for a 1983 design. Given that a timing set is really cheap, I would
replace it so as to know exactly what I have.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans


  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:51 AM
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Engine help, 302
> 
> Hi All,
> My rebuild was on hold for a month or so. I had to make the 
> "big" camshaft decision.
>  
> This is not my first engine build, but it is the first in a 
> while, so I read a lot and got more confused with each read. 
> I have also called several tech  lines.
>  
> I have a 1985 roller cam 302. It has stock fulcrum rockers 
> (not rail  type) and has pushrod guide plates.
>  
> A)  I splurged for a set of Edelbrock 60229 Performer aluminum  heads.
>  
> B) Edelbrock Performer 2121 Intake manifold.
>  
> C) Holley 0-1850 600CFM carb
>  
> D) I bought a Ford Motorsports  M-6250-B303 camshaft
>  
> E) Ford Motorsports M-6565-L302 pushrods
>  
> (on engine teardown, I found the engine has what appears to 
> be a Edelbrock
> 2121 cam (per end markings)
>  
> 1) I was told I can re-use my roller lifters, they are low 
> miles since new. 
>  Your thoughts?
>  
> 2) I read that the "stock" timing chain and gears are 
> retarded for pollution control. My chain and gears are a 
> double row set with E3AE-A3A on the gear. Any thoughts?
>  
> 3) The replacement FMS push rods do NOT have the "collars" 
> the originals did. The collars look like a band of metal 
> about 1/3rd the way up (or down) the  PRT. I was told these 
> are to protect against valve float? Ideas?
>  
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom  Milton
> Lansing, IL.
> 1964 Tiger  project
> B382000257
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 12:41:44 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:41:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ford fan
In-Reply-To: <E5F812D7072D4F199375CD35CF07F958@D7F0WHF1>
References: <E5F812D7072D4F199375CD35CF07F958@D7F0WHF1>
Message-ID: <C9C825E6C78A4A6C83965EF2B61B6319@DellD4700>

You might try allfordmustangs.com or Vintage-Mustang.com.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of denis mercier
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:53 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Ford fan
> 
> Hi guys.
> I found in my lot of parts a Ford fan 18(  6 blades with that 
> on each blade FOMOCO SCF63  F11315. His someone can tell me 
> on what car or truck this fan can go ?
> Or is there is a Ford forum who can help me with that ?
>                  Thanks !
>                  Denis.
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From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net  Mon Oct 25 15:27:36 2010
From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tires and Logos
In-Reply-To: <304FF5C7215D6F4992D715B2E95222502817AD76C7@MAILR010.mail.lan>
Message-ID: <C8EB6E88.4EE3%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>

Tiger Folk:

A) I found barncobob at aol.com 's source "www.tires-easy.com" interesting;
thanks for providing, but other that the Toyo RA-1, I'm not so sure about
the brands. A couple were even listed as off-road (anyone do that w/a Tiger?
Cool!). Anyway -- bookmarked and thank you.

B) What's the best source of a really good high-resolution Sunbeam Tiger
logo in JPEG? I'm treating myself: once this kitchen remodel is finally
done, one end is going to have a "wine station" and I am getting several
dozen wine glasses etched with the Tiger logo (I get a "deal" through the
office supply company I work for). They should look really great on display,
hanging up and backlit (no, I will not get the logos etched upside down).
The maker can work from a JPEG but I'd like a "good" one.

Larry Wright

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 15:34:25 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:34:25 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tires and Logos
In-Reply-To: <C8EB6E88.4EE3%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>
References: <304FF5C7215D6F4992D715B2E95222502817AD76C7@MAILR010.mail.lan>
	<C8EB6E88.4EE3%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimh-GcFSZ0AeeUHorPnZb+k-EcgaC0C5MkXdZvA@mail.gmail.com>

What tiger logo do you want?

TIGER script
TIGER POWERED BY FORD with ST and Tiger head (LAT logo)
Just the Tiger head?
ST and Tiger head?
Do you want them in colour?
On 26 October 2010 08:27, Larry & Susan <wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net>wrote:

> Tiger Folk:
>
> A) I found barncobob at aol.com 's source "www.tires-easy.com" interesting;
> thanks for providing, but other that the Toyo RA-1, I'm not so sure about
> the brands. A couple were even listed as off-road (anyone do that w/a
> Tiger?
> Cool!). Anyway -- bookmarked and thank you.
>
> B) What's the best source of a really good high-resolution Sunbeam Tiger
> logo in JPEG? I'm treating myself: once this kitchen remodel is finally
> done, one end is going to have a "wine station" and I am getting several
> dozen wine glasses etched with the Tiger logo (I get a "deal" through the
> office supply company I work for). They should look really great on
> display,
> hanging up and backlit (no, I will not get the logos etched upside down).
> The maker can work from a JPEG but I'd like a "good" one.
>
> Larry Wright
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-- 
Regards

Michael King

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Oct 25 16:18:41 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:18:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Agreed Insurance
In-Reply-To: <002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
References: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cb7492$94bccec0$be366c40$@rr.com>

With some recommendations from those of you who have seen my car, I just
increased my Grundy's agreed insurance policy to $55K.  They asked me if I
had done anything new to the car.  I told them that I am continuing the
never ending restoration and that it had won awards at Sunbeam specific car
shows.  I thought that it may be underinsured.  With those words, they
agreed to increase to policy from $40K to $55K.

It increases my yearly premium by $93.

Duke
B382002037

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Mon Oct 25 16:28:09 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:28:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Agreed Insurance
References: <472401.73168.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002601cb7207$a5256520$ef702f60$@rr.com>
	<000e01cb7492$94bccec0$be366c40$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <FA2491BFF22E42BCBAC41F8E78FB0CE6@yourze8cxvr8tt>

duke,
    i didn't think i scared you that bad when we put your hardtop back on 
the car! increasing the value was a smart move. you have a real nice car.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wsamouce" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: "'Tiger Talk List Tiger'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Agreed Insurance


> With some recommendations from those of you who have seen my car, I just
> increased my Grundy's agreed insurance policy to $55K.  They asked me if I
> had done anything new to the car.  I told them that I am continuing the
> never ending restoration and that it had won awards at Sunbeam specific 
> car
> shows.  I thought that it may be underinsured.  With those words, they
> agreed to increase to policy from $40K to $55K.
>
> It increases my yearly premium by $93.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 17:31:40 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:31:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Agreed Insurance
In-Reply-To: <FA2491BFF22E42BCBAC41F8E78FB0CE6@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <492890.54993.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Duke
For $93 a year, I think it was an excellent idea. I hope you never have to
collect but it does have Lucas wiring and the number of kids AND adults,
mostly younger and female I hope but have no proof. None the less, an
excellent investment for the return, should the unspeakable occur.
TtT    Tony Lang

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From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon Oct 25 17:37:22 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:37:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
In-Reply-To: <8CD3F6686928DE3-1558-A41@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD3F6686928DE3-1558-A41@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C4736F08ABE34846A56D4D7EB9EF5303@JPC>

Hi all,

While on the subject of tires...

I have 205/60X13 tires on my 5.5 inch cosmic rims...but can anybody 
recommend the correct size and brand for period correct tires to mount on 
the original rims, and possibly a source. I want to get things right for 
"show" purposes.

Thanks,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <barncobob at aol.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires


> here is the website for the tire dealer..i have not bought from them but 
> they
> offer a good selection of this size tire. i have the cooper cobras on my 
> tiger
> and seems like a good tire. i contacted them and they had the coopers in 
> stock
> even though everyone else said no stock.
> www.tires-easy.com        i believe they are out of oregon.
>
>
>
> =
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From allanballard at att.net  Mon Oct 25 18:01:55 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:01:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
In-Reply-To: <C4736F08ABE34846A56D4D7EB9EF5303@JPC>
References: <8CD3F6686928DE3-1558-A41@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
	<C4736F08ABE34846A56D4D7EB9EF5303@JPC>
Message-ID: <19B82748-4B32-4668-BBD6-E84EC0C77B4B@att.net>

The Workshop Manual refers to 5.90 X 13 Dunlop ' RS.5 ' tires. <p. 19 General
Data> rolling radius 11.5 in.

(I tried some 205/60/13 tires and they scrubbed against the front valance when
entering my slightly uphill driveway.)

Allan Ballard
Mk1 Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Oct 25, 2010, at 7:37 PM, James Lindner wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> While on the subject of tires...
>
> I have 205/60X13 tires on my 5.5 inch cosmic rims...but can anybody
recommend the correct size and brand for period correct tires to mount on the
original rims, and possibly a source. I want to get things right for "show"
purposes.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <barncobob at aol.com>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:40 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
>
>
>> here is the website for the tire dealer..i have not bought from them but
they
>> offer a good selection of this size tire. i have the cooper cobras on my
tiger
>> and seems like a good tire. i contacted them and they had the coopers in
stock
>> even though everyone else said no stock.
>> www.tires-easy.com        i believe they are out of oregon.
>>
>>
>>
>> =
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 18:39:41 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:39:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re:  Agreed Insurance
Message-ID: <649901.92880.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Duke
For $93 a year, I think it was an excellent idea. I hope you never have to
collect but it does have Lucas wiring and the number of kids AND adults,
mostly younger and female I hope but have no proof THAT ARE TALKING ON CELL
PHONES None the less, an
excellent investment for the return, should the unspeakable occur.
TtT    Tony Lang
The older I get the dumber I become- I had in my mind what I was going to type
but until I read my own post, I didn't realize I had left a very important
part out. My apologies to the ladies, as I don't have any proof there are more
females talking and driving then are men. Sorry for the screwed up post.
Tony
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Mon Oct 25 18:42:46 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:42:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
In-Reply-To: <19B82748-4B32-4668-BBD6-E84EC0C77B4B@att.net>
References: <8CD3F6686928DE3-1558-A41@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
	<C4736F08ABE34846A56D4D7EB9EF5303@JPC>
	<19B82748-4B32-4668-BBD6-E84EC0C77B4B@att.net>
Message-ID: <0449DCC6C1A74B9F8D08789B4D89EE26@JPC>

Saw the specs in the manual...just was not sure if that size/brand was 
actually still available or if I needed to go with a more up to date size 
designation. I checked some of the vintage tire dealers and could not find 
them.

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
To: "James Lindner" <jliny5 at cox.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <barncobob at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires


The Workshop Manual refers to 5.90 X 13 Dunlop ' RS.5 ' tires. <p. 19 
General Data> rolling radius 11.5 in.

(I tried some 205/60/13 tires and they scrubbed against the front valance 
when entering my slightly uphill driveway.)

Allan Ballard
Mk1 Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Oct 25, 2010, at 7:37 PM, James Lindner wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> While on the subject of tires...
>
> I have 205/60X13 tires on my 5.5 inch cosmic rims...but can anybody 
> recommend the correct size and brand for period correct tires to mount on 
> the original rims, and possibly a source. I want to get things right for 
> "show" purposes.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <barncobob at aol.com>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:40 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
>
>
>> here is the website for the tire dealer..i have not bought from them but 
>> they
>> offer a good selection of this size tire. i have the cooper cobras on my 
>> tiger
>> and seems like a good tire. i contacted them and they had the coopers in 
>> stock
>> even though everyone else said no stock.
>> www.tires-easy.com        i believe they are out of oregon.
>>
>>
>>
>> =
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From barncobob at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 19:42:56 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:42:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel size
Message-ID: <8CD42C63F6FD6FE-A38-64AE@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com>

tiger original wood steering wheel, what size was it. inches or mm please.

From jim at island.net  Mon Oct 25 19:50:10 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:50:10 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel size
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Mine is 15 1/2" overall ...

Jim
B382000446

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Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel size

tiger original wood steering wheel, what size was it. inches or mm please.
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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Mon Oct 25 20:27:22 2010
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:27:22 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Ford fan
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If it is 18" it is a 1963 up to? Ford Galaxie and maybe Fairlane. I can
check further if you want.
David

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Mon Oct 25 21:57:48 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:57:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
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5.9 x 13 is probably close to a 70 or 80 series aspect ratio by today's
standards. In other words, tall and skinny. 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of James Lindner
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 5:43 PM
To: Allan Ballard
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires

Saw the specs in the manual...just was not sure if that size/brand was 
actually still available or if I needed to go with a more up to date size 
designation. I checked some of the vintage tire dealers and could not find 
them.

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
To: "James Lindner" <jliny5 at cox.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <barncobob at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires


The Workshop Manual refers to 5.90 X 13 Dunlop ' RS.5 ' tires. <p. 19 
General Data> rolling radius 11.5 in.

(I tried some 205/60/13 tires and they scrubbed against the front valance 
when entering my slightly uphill driveway.)

Allan Ballard
Mk1 Tiger
SIV Alpine

On Oct 25, 2010, at 7:37 PM, James Lindner wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> While on the subject of tires...
>
> I have 205/60X13 tires on my 5.5 inch cosmic rims...but can anybody 
> recommend the correct size and brand for period correct tires to mount on 
> the original rims, and possibly a source. I want to get things right for 
> "show" purposes.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Lindner
> B9470033
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <barncobob at aol.com>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:40 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] 205/60/13 tires
>
>
>> here is the website for the tire dealer..i have not bought from them but 
>> they
>> offer a good selection of this size tire. i have the cooper cobras on my 
>> tiger
>> and seems like a good tire. i contacted them and they had the coopers in 
>> stock
>> even though everyone else said no stock.
>> www.tires-easy.com        i believe they are out of oregon.
>>
>>
>>
>> =
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Oct 26 00:30:32 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:30:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine help, 302
References: <86aa9.36d963c9.39f70f6c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <21EFC8D8D252457B8B9672BE94E9C704@student2>

Tom,

Regardless of any advance/retard ground into cams or similar with timing 
chain index points, it is always best to degree in a cam. It helps take the 
mystery out of the "variables."  Although..., when chains stretch, and valve 
lash clearances get altered it kind of throws out the "spot on" aspects.

FYI, I indexed and then measured actual values on a PAW clone of an 
Edelbrock cam.  This is what I got:
Spec-ed 204/.420, - actually measured  208-210/.424 The ramp was so slow 
that the extra degrees likely didn't matter.

Regards, (another) Tom

> 2) I read that the "stock" timing chain and gears are retarded for
> pollution control. My chain and gears are a double row set with E3AE-A3A 
> on the
> gear. Any thoughts?

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 06:06:43 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:06:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel size
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is the original 15.5" outer edge to outer edge?

i think after market wheels measure from center of grip to center of grip,
IIRC, which will be like an inch different than from outer to outer edge


On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:50 PM, Jim wrote:

> Mine is 15 1/2" overall ...
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
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> Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel size
>
> tiger original wood steering wheel, what size was it. inches or mm please.
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From denismercier at telvic.net  Tue Oct 26 06:58:24 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:58:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Enclosed fan shroud
Message-ID: <85D4D62C7DE3418181F51192A2799930@D7F0WHF1>

Hi listers.
Last week i made a enclosed fan shroud for my Tiger, by the same time i made
some spares.
The part can fit standard 14inch or 15inch fan and can be welded or pop
riveted.
If you want to buy one let me know. Price 55.00 plus shipping.
Pictures are available on request.
           Denis.

From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net  Tue Oct 26 15:12:25 2010
From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:12:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tires and Logos
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Rounded-corner rectangle with Sunbeam Tiger Powered by Ford and a Tiger9s
head. Monochrome is OK as it9s going to be etched anyway.

Already received a few offers including in Vector format which us ideal!
Great group as always.

Larry Wright


On 10/25/10 5:34 PM, "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> What tiger logo do you want?
>  
> TIGER script
> TIGER POWERED BY FORD with ST and Tiger head (LAT logo)
> Just the Tiger head?
> ST and Tiger head?
Do you want them in colour?

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 19:22:32 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel size
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I measured 15 5/8" outer edge to outer edge and 14 7/8" center of rim to
center of rim.

Joe Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Peter Laurinaitis
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:07 AM
To: Jim
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheel size

is the original 15.5" outer edge to outer edge?

i think after market wheels measure from center of grip to center of grip,
IIRC, which will be like an inch different than from outer to outer edge


On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:50 PM, Jim wrote:

> Mine is 15 1/2" overall ...
>
> Jim
> B382000446
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
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> Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel size
>
> tiger original wood steering wheel, what size was it. inches or mm please.
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From barncobob at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 05:56:29 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:56:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] hardtop install
Message-ID: <8CD44AE4AA840EF-1120-3FE7@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com>

put my hardtop on yesterday for 1st time(newbie). Took the tonneu cover for
soft top and folded it back, installed top.Does the tonneau cover just sort of
lay there on top of soft top?Also the bar for the soft top lays right against
the bottom of window touching it, is this correct?

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct 28 07:02:18 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] hardtop install
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Message-ID: <1CB34BAAAB87498783F33E63F22E085E@ronpc1>

	The soft top cover does lay over the soft top but there are 2 straps
that hook onto the hardtop and snap onto the cover.  I'm not sure what you
mean by the bar lays against the bottom of the window.

There is a video of the soft top storage; maybe that will help.

http://www.youtube.com/user/CommodoreBlues

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:56 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] hardtop install


put my hardtop on yesterday for 1st time(newbie). Took the tonneu cover for
soft top and folded it back, installed top.Does the tonneau cover just sort
of lay there on top of soft top?Also the bar for the soft top lays right
against the bottom of window touching it, is this correct?
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From barncobob at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 08:09:47 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:09:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] hardtop install
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ron, thanx so much. softop is not lowered correctly and the top bow sticks up
too high. will put soft top up again and restow correctly.

From jheff123 at msn.com  Thu Oct 28 08:53:47 2010
From: jheff123 at msn.com (John Heffron)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:53:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <COL102-W4467090E86619AE83D1E8192440@phx.gbl>

http://www.flfx.mjp9.com

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 29 21:06:10 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:06:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
Message-ID: <0F2E9942951E4F9B956A675BAD2017F2@jeffnicholsPC>

Check out this web site that has info on several race cars including two
Tigers. http://www.transamcars.com/content/the_cars.htm The info on the Dick
Guldstrand Tiger is very interesting.  According to the author the car was
originally owned and raced  by Lew Spencer of Shelby fame.  Lew sold it to
Art Fimes who took the car to Dick Guldstrand (of Corvette racing fame)  to
develop it further for racing.  The Tiger had a long SCCA race history from
1965 - 1981.  There is a TRACO dyno sheet from 1974 for a race 260 that made
what looks like 311HP @ 5000rpm.  That is probably without the LAT options
since SCCA didn't allow it back then
 
 
 
Jeff

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Oct 29 21:53:08 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:53:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
References: <0F2E9942951E4F9B956A675BAD2017F2@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <48436753D3844439B6FCEB5AE5D1269E@student2>

WOW, what a great story.  By the way, I called the number in the ad on page 
6..., but no one answered.  And speaking of numbers, does anyone have the 
number for the girl on page 9?  :-)

One thing I found interesting is the cutting of both the sill for the 
exhaust, and the cowl for the Weber carburetors.  All things we are told to 
NEVER do. And, even more so, the un-seen cutting of the X member.

Thanks for sharing this. I greatly appreciated it.  Even though I was only 
seven (and living in N.J.) when the Tiger came out, somehow this story made 
me feel like I was "there."

Tom 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sat Oct 30 09:17:04 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:17:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
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	<48436753D3844439B6FCEB5AE5D1269E@student2>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405982FB4C6@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

There are probably a great deal of unseen and unmentioned other modifications
to ensure that chassis flex doesn't become a big problem. It was mentioned
that the X-member was fitted with a removable brace. With some care, that
would be an easy and not too heavy mod to make, and it would make engine/trans
removal much easier.

Theo

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From barncobob at aol.com  Sat Oct 30 10:20:29 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:20:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] anyone using a moto-lita wood steering wheel
Message-ID: <8CD46658076FF79-2134-8918@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>

what model is it
what diamater 14 or 15"
any pics
did u buy it from u.k. or usa

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Sat Oct 30 13:40:59 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:40:59 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
Message-ID: <16a81.448ab77a.39fdcecb@aol.com>

That was a wonderful story and what a surprise to see a photo of myself!  
Here's a little more to the story:

After Rik Edwards bought the Gulstrand Tiger, many members from Pacific 
Tiger Club including myself joined forces and became his pit-crew for his debut 
in road racing at Seattle International Raceway, Kent, WA.

The night before his Saturday morning Driver's School, several of us went 
with Rik to the classroom portion of the school, held at a Motel in Renton, 
WA.  We all learned about what the different color flags were all about, what 
the turnworkers actually do and the like.  The Club was IRDC, International 
Race Drivers Club and the square orange stickers on the headlights 
indicates the driver is an unlicensed novice.  That is done for safety of the other 
drivers and so Senior-licensed driver-observers (I have been one) located 
around the track can identify which cars to scrutinize.

The next morning we were at the track in our matching orange Club jackets 
and our crew double-checked everything while Rik was at the mandatory 
driver's meeting.  The first time out, no passing was allowed other than on the 
main straight.  The car ran perfectly and shot down the 1/2 mile long straight 
like a scalded dog but Rik said the car was almost uncontrollable in the 
turns.  That was caused by the ancient dried-out slicks.  We tried to soften 
them using a product called Formula V but it didn't help.

After every run on the track, the crew went to work refueling the Tiger and 
checking tire air pressure: my job was to repack the front wheel bearings.  
I did that twice but we decided it wasn't necessary after all.


Rik was granted his novice racing license and that afternoon he competed in 
his first (and I think only) race.  The grid was based on the cars single 
fastest lap during qualifying, fortunately not on how many times Rik spun the 
Tiger in the turns!  He gridded next to a very famous ex Can-Am car, the 
Burnette Mk-2.  I still have 6 photos I shot at that event.

Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club   Seattle

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Oct 30 14:56:24 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:56:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] My Car, Live!
Message-ID: <4CCC8678.3000303@socal.rr.com>

Tigers,

Here is my car in the Parking Lot off the beach in Pacific Ocean Park, 
Santa Monica, CA.

I am in the lot off the beach, but lost my camera.  Anyone seen it? Runs 
24 hours a day.

http://www.pacpark.com/webcam.php?location=webcam*

;-)

Steve
-- 



/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct 30 16:09:04 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:09:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] anyone using a moto-lita wood steering wheel
Message-ID: <4CCC9780.2000307@roadrunner.com>

I am using a Moto-Lita steering wheel, although it is leather.  After 
some amount of investigation, I decided on a dished 14 1/2 inch wheel.  
The way I am built has me put the seat all the way back and the dish in 
the wheel brings it to a more comfortable position for my hands than a 
flat wheel (I did try a flat wheel).  The smaller size than the stock 
wheel allows me a little more room to slide my legs under the wheel when 
getting in which has become an issue as I get older and my back becomes 
less flexible with age.  I believe I bought it used on eBay (US) 
although I have noticed a good selection of wheels from a seller in the 
UK on eBay UK

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 17:25:16 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:25:16 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] anyone using a moto-lita wood steering wheel
In-Reply-To: <4CCC9780.2000307@roadrunner.com>
References: <4CCC9780.2000307@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=a0oDEPP8QW_a6Z82g9-D5_fT_fNbjHMa5p105@mail.gmail.com>

I have leather mota litas in my tiger and alpines, i have boththe MK3
slotted and holed versions. I have friends with the wooden wheel as well. I
have 14" they have 15. It all depends how much leg room you need. I can send
some pics if you need.

I bought mine in the Uk and had it shipped to AU.

As a side note i have a very nice leather dished mota-lita wheel with holes.
It has the balck finshed spokes and has a Sunbeam boss with a nice black
finish. It is now surplus to requirements.. anyone interested? I have
pictures.

On 31 October 2010 09:09, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> I am using a Moto-Lita steering wheel, although it is leather.  After some
> amount of investigation, I decided on a dished 14 1/2 inch wheel.  The way I
> am built has me put the seat all the way back and the dish in the wheel
> brings it to a more comfortable position for my hands than a flat wheel (I
> did try a flat wheel).  The smaller size than the stock wheel allows me a
> little more room to slide my legs under the wheel when getting in which has
> become an issue as I get older and my back becomes less flexible with age.
>  I believe I bought it used on eBay (US) although I have noticed a good
> selection of wheels from a seller in the UK on eBay UK
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
>
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Sun Oct 31 19:08:50 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:08:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
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It's an interesting story but part of it is not true - at least according to 
Lew Spencer himself.

A year ago last June at the Wine Country Classic vintage race, Lew Spencer 
stopped by and visited for an hour or so in our Tiger pits. There he was 
asked which Tigers he had raced. Lew said he had only raced one Tiger - the 
yellow Shelby Tiger which carried his racing number, 45.

Lew was a car salesman and might have sold the Tiger Dick Guldstrand later 
worked on. Lew  doesn't remember doing so but "might have".

And the Tiger Dick worked on was not the Shelby Tiger. After Lew had raced 
the yellow Shelby Tiger for 6 months, Rootes transferred it from Shelby 
American to Sports Car Forum in Columbus, Ohio. Their main driver, Don 
Sesslar, had already clinched Rootes another SCCA National Championship in 
an Alpine. After three more races in late 1964 the Tiger was stripped and 
rebuilt into a new Tiger tub and driven by Don in the 1965 season. He 
accrued almost as many national points as all the other Tigers combined. 
This car carried the hood, doors, custom windscreen, trunk lid, entire drive 
train and cross member from the Shelby car. At Rootes written insistence, 
the tub of the Shelby Tiger was destroyed.

Buck Trippel


>  According to the author the car was
> originally owned and raced  by Lew Spencer of Shelby fame.  Lew sold it to
> Art Fimes who took the car to Dick Guldstrand (of Corvette racing fame) 
> to
> develop it further for racing.  The Tiger had a long SCCA race history 
> from
> 1965 - 1981.  There is a TRACO dyno sheet from 1974 for a race 260 that 
> made
> what looks like 311HP @ 5000rpm.  That is probably without the LAT options
> since SCCA didn't allow it back then
>
>
>
> Jeff

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 23:58:39 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 17:58:39 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
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	<4D5BE4F63B6946BDB59BF77AB3A12273@BucksLaptop>
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Buck,

Why did they want the tub of the shelby car destroyed? Was the shelby car in
an accident at some point ( i think i remember hearing that)

On 1 November 2010 13:08, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:

> It's an interesting story but part of it is not true - at least according
> to Lew Spencer himself.
>
> A year ago last June at the Wine Country Classic vintage race, Lew Spencer
> stopped by and visited for an hour or so in our Tiger pits. There he was
> asked which Tigers he had raced. Lew said he had only raced one Tiger - the
> yellow Shelby Tiger which carried his racing number, 45.
>
> Lew was a car salesman and might have sold the Tiger Dick Guldstrand later
> worked on. Lew  doesn't remember doing so but "might have".
>
> And the Tiger Dick worked on was not the Shelby Tiger. After Lew had raced
> the yellow Shelby Tiger for 6 months, Rootes transferred it from Shelby
> American to Sports Car Forum in Columbus, Ohio. Their main driver, Don
> Sesslar, had already clinched Rootes another SCCA National Championship in
> an Alpine. After three more races in late 1964 the Tiger was stripped and
> rebuilt into a new Tiger tub and driven by Don in the 1965 season. He
> accrued almost as many national points as all the other Tigers combined.
> This car carried the hood, doors, custom windscreen, trunk lid, entire drive
> train and cross member from the Shelby car. At Rootes written insistence,
> the tub of the Shelby Tiger was destroyed.
>
> Buck Trippel
>
>
>
>  According to the author the car was
>> originally owned and raced  by Lew Spencer of Shelby fame.  Lew sold it to
>> Art Fimes who took the car to Dick Guldstrand (of Corvette racing fame) to
>> develop it further for racing.  The Tiger had a long SCCA race history
>> from
>> 1965 - 1981.  There is a TRACO dyno sheet from 1974 for a race 260 that
>> made
>> what looks like 311HP @ 5000rpm.  That is probably without the LAT options
>> since SCCA didn't allow it back then
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
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